gtfo-lore

[placid monolith]

but also not hopefully

tbh.. u can get the good ending

[gray bone]

wut good ending

[placid monolith]

just fail r8e2 on purpose

[gray bone]

that's the worst ending

[placid monolith]

clean worldline stays clean

[gray bone]

I wonder if the merging worldlines would eventually lead to the virus coming to all the other clean universes anyways

[placid monolith]

wasn't there only a single clean universe

[eternal talon]

There are infinite clean universes

There are infinite infected universes

There are infinite universes with the ship crashed on earth

There are infinite universes without an earth at all

[placid monolith]

so there's universes where the infection doesn't even exist

[eternal talon]

Every action splits and makes two new universes

[eternal talon]

Yes, if you follow the branches from the point where it came into existence

[placid monolith]

and there's universes where SOMEHOW the group makes it through to the scientist group uninfected

[eternal talon]

Given infinity, there is an infinite number of universes where there is a cure for nam-v

There is an infinite number of universes where there is immunity to nam-v

There are infinite universes with an anti-nam-v.

We are a drop in an endless ocean.

[placid monolith]

is that possible tho

[eternal talon]

An ocean, the collectors explored.

[loud urchin]

not all infinities are the same size, no?

[placid monolith]

yeah that's what I'm thinking

like

[eternal talon]

Earlier universes from earlier decisions would technically speaking be older and thus bigger

[placid monolith]

is immunity/cure etc even possible in any way

[eternal talon]

Newer branches from newer decisions would be smaller

Going all the way back to the big gang and particles flying left... or right and colliding... or not

The universe where you decided to make coffee instead of tea yesterday would be comparably smaller

Because it is just a branch on this already insanely huge tree

And your branch, will inevitably grow infinite more branches

But it is still a smaller branch compared to the ones before it

(Talking about worldline theory in quantum physics is such a mindfuck)

[placid monolith]

it is :(

[eternal talon]

Just... go watch the anime Steins;Gate

That one also uses a variant of worldline theory

that one just goes into the time travel aspect of it

[placid monolith]

nahhh not the time travel :(

[eternal talon]

Gtfo's mwp as far as we know can't go back in time, just between the branches at the same time

So at least that is something

Gtfo is still the mess, but it's a horizontal slice of the mess

[placid monolith]

yeah time travel (backwards) is the most impossible thing ever

not even considerable in any context

[eternal talon]

We just have an infinitely wide cross section (comparably tiny) to an infinitely tall tree

If you were trying to picture it.

[placid monolith]

i can picture the idea of it easily

but ofc picturing it, itself, is fucked

[eternal talon]

So many branches on branches

It's like snowflakes. The deeper you look with a microscope the more it goes on and on and on...

[placid monolith]

even that has a limit tho

[eternal talon]

True

[placid monolith]

but yeah it is pretty cool

time to sleep

guh.. so much silly thinking

[ionic dune]

whats this? (R5A2)

[raw terrace]

ceilin biomass :]

[we no know]

[ionic dune]

oh ok

why is there 5 logs on this term lol

who tf is dreyfus

[nimble saddle]

It's an industry i think

the one that made HSU's if i remember correctly

The baby you carry in R2E1 has the name on it

[ionic dune]

as if ive been there lol

[nimble saddle]

You also have the baby in R3D1

have you been there

And R3C1 i think

[ionic dune]

nah but ik what baby ur talking about i believe

[nimble saddle]

Yes

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus industries is a megacorp that owns a SHIT TON OF STUFF.

think google irl

they own half the planet.

[ionic dune]

blackrock?

[eternal talon]

sure

Dreyfus owns both Santonian & Insight.

[ionic dune]

think it might be a better fit lol

[ionic dune]

ait

[eternal talon]

when Kovac moved their HQ into Garganta, it wasn't done via a deal with Santonian, it was through Dreyfus.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus Industries owns Santonian Strategic Investments Company, Santonian Mining Company, and Project Insight.

KOVAC (sometimes spelt KOVAK) owns Kovac Defense Services and Kovac Research.

Dreyfus might also own NYXOS, but that is not outright stated.

[ionic dune]

and does dreyfus own kovac or are they just "buddies" (think large corporations having a gentleman's agreement to not do stuff to gain money)

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus doesn't own KOVAC.

[ionic dune]

aight

[eternal talon]

KOVAC is a PMC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company), they had dirt on Santonian and bargained with their owners, Dreyfus.

in exchange for covering up the burning of the red cross workers and the hundreds of missing people after the Merida Earthquake, Kovac was granted an exclusive spot in Garganta

[ionic dune]

so KOVAC is like SAAB, lockheed martin etc?

[eternal talon]

yes...

[ionic dune]

ooooh ok, was bishop a part of this blackmail or was he independant actor?

[eternal talon]

KOVAC is a PMC that also owns a research company (KR)

[ionic dune]

(KOVAC research)

[eternal talon]

the hydrostasis tech was originally invented by Kovac Research.

[ionic dune]

and im guessing they had dauda?

[eternal talon]

after the red alpha fiasco, KOVAC repurposed this tech to create the legion program.

[eternal talon]

no, dauda was picked up by Project Insight.

he worked for Insight right up until the end.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

No. Bishop had blackmail on the CEO of Dreyfus (Davies) -- entirely separate, years before the Merida Quake.

[ionic dune]

im assuming then that the gargantua prison was like a thing before the legion program/kovac stepped foot in gargantua?

and that the legion program used the prisoners (cuz why not)

[eternal talon]

Garganta was built from the ground up as a mining facility, specifically to harvest Iridium.

KOVAC wanted a spot there presumably because it was super isolated and they could test new weapons away from prying eyes.

the labs and stuff weren't built until Santonian started uncovering alien artifacts and Dreyfus called Insight in to study it.

[ionic dune]

oh ok

and when did the prison come into picture?

[eternal talon]

Garganta was never a prison.

[ionic dune]

oh

[eternal talon]

we are called "prisoners" for three reasons.

1. we are stuck in the complex because of the lockdowns and because the surface is dead.
2. we are literally prisoners within our own bodies, unable to resist the commands of the BIOCOM Network.
3. most KSOs (woods) were originally US inmates (before they were kidnapped by KOVAC and turned into legionnaires)

[ionic dune]

oooh ok

thought gargantua had a prison

[eternal talon]

"prisoners" is not an official term -- said anywhere. it is what the KSOs call themselves.

the Warden is their metaphorical Warden because it controls biocom, which controls them.

[ionic dune]

oh yea fair enough

never thought about the warden like an actual warden

[eternal talon]

it's symbolic.

[ionic dune]

yea

[thin surge]

in the OG R4A2 EBDT_01BE1.LOG is the disease mentioned to have effected the Myans Nam-V or just general disease?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[thin surge]

Yes to which one?

[eternal talon]

Yes it means nam-v.

[placid monolith]

nam-v.. v-nam... vietnam...

[north obsidian]

is this real

[tame goblet]

🎣

[next panther]

i cant wait for this channel to be read only

[ionic dune]

I hope speedrun channel gets brought down again

[next panther]

Silence, P*b.

[raw terrace]

the virgin desiring evil to others vs the chad wishing the best for others

[ionic dune]

Who’s who lol

[ionic dune]

Average speedrunner elitism

Dear GTFO community. Speedrunners in the GTFO community are undeniably skilled, but their opinions often reflect a hyper-optimized, elite mindset that doesn’t align with the broader player base. Their gameplay revolves around efficiency and exploits, not immersion, teamwork, or learning curve. As a result, they may dismiss mechanics or design choices that are crucial for casual or newer players. When developers or the community put too much weight on speedrunner feedback, it risks alienating those who play the game for tension, exploration, and challenge at a reasonable pace. GTFO already has a steep difficulty curve, and letting speedrunners shape the game further could turn it into an even more exclusive experience. While speedrunners have their place, their input shouldn’t outweigh the needs of the majority who just want a fair, enjoyable co-op experience.

[honest summit]

1. the games a STEALTH game (majority of it anyway), its literally on the store page
2. They are extremely annoying in this community and tend to think their way of playing is what everyone wants
3. They dont communicate with the team (majority of the time)
4. Never had a good experience with one. I hate trying to play then having them join the lobby and absolutely carrying everyone without even talking

[foggy summit]

GTFO, developed by 10 Chambers, is a hardcore co-op FPS built around teamwork, strategy, and intense coordination. Unlike most shooters, GTFO isn't meant to be played solo or with a random group—it's intentionally designed for four players, and that design choice touches every part of the experience.

The game's balance, difficulty, and objectives are all tuned for a four-person squad. Missions involve stealth, timed objectives, hacking, and overwhelming combat scenarios. With fewer than four players, you quickly lose access to critical tools like the Bio Tracker, C-Foam Launcher, sentries, and mines. Each tool plays a role in the team's survival, and without all four, you’re forced to compromise, leaving weaknesses that the game’s AI and level design punish brutally.

Enemies don’t scale down significantly with fewer players, making it harder to survive even routine encounters. Objectives often require synchronized scans, multitasking under pressure, or covering multiple points at once—things nearly impossible to pull off without a full team. The levels themselves expect you to divide and conquer while staying in constant communication.

GTFO’s challenge is its main attraction. It's not a casual experience; it's a test of patience, skill, and teamwork. Playing with all four players isn't just ideal—it's essential to experience the game the way the developers intended. Every success feels earned because it demands precision from every member of the squad.

In short, GTFO was built from the ground up for four players. Straying from that formula doesn't just make it harder—it breaks the game’s intended balance and removes the cooperative magic that makes it special.

[raw terrace]

r u responding to the copypaste fr

[foggy summit]

are you?

[raw terrace]

am i

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-stephens-vsauce-mind-on-isolation-gif-26028082

[next panther]

Yes this message is completely serious

[raw terrace]

chat am i not loreing right :[

[next panther]

#lfg-beginners message

[raw terrace]

ivee been a fooled

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660323412551532564/840076228202856468/831523602841993217.gif

[royal crow]

If any brand new player wants to be taught the basics of the gameplay mechanics and doesn’t wanna be carried feel free to dm me. I love teaching new players and I don’t like speedrunners nor do it myself so we will be playing slow paced when possible.

Not on as of rn but happy to find a time

[wanton moss]

Teach me how to play (I’m bad)

Someone give A2 the “R1 Sherpa” role 🐸

[honest summit]

Bro is too lost in the Copypasta inseption

[ionic dune]

Cuh is the hater or speeds

[honest summit]

If you want i can teach you how to gamble

[ionic dune]

🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️ now we are talking

Guys why don’t we just bet at the high stakes betting? It’s a 50/50 if we win or not

[ionic dune]

#general message @mint geode

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

(yes i used this to post a gif sue me)

[mint geode]

absolutely

[raw terrace]

im gettin my lwayer it ok

[eternal talon]

from the stream today.

[raw terrace]

u the passionist person of the community omg

[eternal talon]

if you were unaware, i didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
a couple of hours of lore talk with Viktor

[next panther]

i think bass takes the cake

[eternal talon]

the vod is up on twitch

[next panther]

or johnny be good

[raw terrace]

this is not mother an instrument does not do that

[next panther]

very passionate esp ingame

[raw terrace]

gamer

®

[eternal talon]

i was there for most of it. decent stuff.

[eternal talon]

i mean its fair enough in degrees. I haven't played in gameplay for quite some time, my influence is pretty much entirely confined to external resources like the wiki, for dummies docs, and general one-on-one information. there are tons of super passionate and infleuntial people in all different aspects of this game's community.

[next panther]

yeah i think johnny be good and bass are some of the most passionate people i've seen for a game

they make my ingame experience so much better whenever i play with them

its great

[eternal talon]

i remember back when i played a lot, there were a couple people i'd routinely see in LFGs pretty much exclusively playing in beginner lobbies and trying to help out.

[raw terrace]

i wish it could be me

[eternal talon]

i've recognized a few different faces on the reddit too (some from here), that help out in posts.

[next panther]

get gud PUB

[raw terrace]

its not gettin good its geforce

[next panther]

sounds like a skill issue

[raw terrace]

it is

and it makes me so sad

[next panther]

exactly

clearly havent watched the hani micro guide

[eternal talon]

i mean to be fair, my pc has always had this wierd thing with GTFO where it was always so fucking slow to boot up and had stutters constantly threatening to crash -- for the first minute or so after bootup, then it was smooth as butter.

it was one of the reasons why i stopped playing

[next panther]

do you have it on a SSD?

[eternal talon]

i have a hard drive. my pc hasn't really had an upgrade since 2020.

[raw terrace]

i mean even if it lags it would beee enough for me to just play and rley on others shooting or our tools but its that one hour limit and like 50 years booting back up

and yet i still keep fucking playing kmdkm

[next panther]

ah okay

[raw terrace]

god i love this game and i shouldnt

[next panther]

yeah the game takes ages to laod on a HDD

[eternal talon]

mostly i only really ever play either old or indie games. i spend a lot of time offline playing D&D as well.

stuff like that doesn't really require much in terms of performance.

i was considering buying a steam deck for a while

[next panther]

i only play gtfo for 16 hours a day and then sleep for 8 hours

and then in a year ill go back to wizard101 and do the same thing with that game

[eternal talon]

that is a very fucking old reference. is that mmo even still alive?

[next panther]

yeah

it still gets updates

[eternal talon]

i'd never played it, but i know it was rediculously massive back when i was in middle and high school

[next panther]

its my most played game by far probably

its cool how it still gets constant and massive updates

they've never really died down

[eternal talon]

there are some games like that.

before i got into gtfo, back around 2018, i played a shit ton of Guns of Icarus Alliance, a pseudo-mmo, and its playerbase was honestly way smaller than gtfo is, even now with something like 20-30 active users at any time (in an mmo), and that game still had consistent updates until i wanna say around 2020.

another game sorta like that was War for the Overworld, a Dungeonkeeper spiritual successor

i feel really old talking about games sometimes

[ionic dune]

Yea maybe the PC slow for first min problem could be solved with putting the OS on an SSD

[ionic dune]

Aren’t you like… 20?

[eternal talon]

24 this year...

A lot of the games i play today are stuff that released when I was a kid. Usually a decade or more ago

Stuff that's been dead a long time

[ionic dune]

fairs

[hard linden]

Alright then

[ionic dune]

most games i play are kinda newish, i like newer graphics tbh

[eternal talon]

Did you manage to figure something out?

[hard linden]

I want to first know what manipulations or processes you’ve gone through—own analysis

for the audio

[eternal talon]

Personally I haven't done much. I ran it through audacity to view the contents in spectrogram.

A bunch of people were doing stuff like slowing it down and speeding it up, trying to clean the audio, etc

I think at one point we found something that might have been morse hidden in there... but I don't know.

It's been a long time since anyone really put effort into cracking it

[hard linden]

Alright thanks
What I can confirm is that the file itself does contain interesting parts as well as the audio

Furthermore I can’t go into much detail with what I have, so I can’t deduce anything yet nor confirm anything

[eternal talon]

A couple people this past year have wanted too look into it, but none really ever came back with anything.

[hard linden]

I’ll have to pickaxe my way in to finding this out

[eternal talon]

...Where did you find that message btw?

I know it isn't pinned. It was one of the questions for the stream, but it wasn't asked iirc

[hard linden]

I keep data

[eternal talon]

Vague and omonous... okay.

[hard linden]

As well as tabs on certain tasks, ventures and persons

[ionic dune]

… should I be scared😭

[hard linden]

No

[eternal talon]

Something that came up during the stream that I do want to clarify on: we know the sleepers aren't zombies verifiably --thanks to one of dauda's research logs

The humans while no longer in control of their bodies, are still in there to some extent

Strikers and the like with significant or complete brain damage likely aren't to any significant degree,

But thinking of stuff like shooters, hybrids, and especially moms... the hosts are still in there

Conscious as what's happening is happening

If they can hear / smell / see is a matter of debate from the specific mutations the parasite had conducted on their bodies (specifically their heads), but they should be conscious in most cases

[ionic dune]

thats fucking horrifying to think about

[eternal talon]

I've talked quite a lot about this on reddit, regarding the mothers

Mothers are two different hosts fused together. A female, and a vestigial male, sort of like an angler fish -- entirely used for reproductive purposes

Imagine the point of view of the female host

[raw terrace]

the sadness aa monsters

[eternal talon]

Growing dozens of babies, having them eaten and turned by parasites while still in your womb, birthing them all in a matter of seconds, then growing a new batch like a second wave to deploy shortly thereafter

From alt://r5: The suffering we inflict on these creatures is unconscionable. Whatever they are, they already exist in perpetual torment without the violence we perpetrate upon them.

"They already exist in perpetual Torment without the violence we perpetrate upon them"

Were this already not confirmed years ago via 10cc press statements, that would be damning on its own.

Sleepers aren't zombies or aliens (The press statement)

They are people

Suffering, miserable people

Kept alive by the symbiotic pairing of the parasite and the virus for thousands if not millions of years

Think about the 16th century mayans. Any who ventured into the caves to fight against the sleepers and didn't return, they are likely still infected to this day and "alive"

The devs could have explored that if we ever went to the vessel and encountered ancient human sleepers

[foggy summit]

So we get to put them outta their misery

[eternal talon]

Think about the floaters and destination fauna... while they aren't human, they've been infected for BILLIONS OF YEARS

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[cunning kayak]

Uh... I remember Viola logs. Uh

[eternal talon]

Voila logs?

[cunning kayak]

Few audio logs about woman named "Viola" who most likely were the first Mother

I don't have actual numera for logs atm

[eternal talon]

Ahhhh I think I know what you mean from alt.

[cunning kayak]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

I'm on my phone rn so can't use the search function, but that audio log was truly horrifying

Listening in real time as the parasite begins to influence the host

[cunning kayak]

It was. Especially second one when she tried to ||cut the baby out or something||

[eternal talon]

I don't know that she turned into a mother--but I know she was turning into a sleeper

[eternal talon]

Oh? Maybe then

[foggy summit]

Are there players who don't think they're mutated people?

[cunning kayak]

Or was it the third? I don't remember

[eternal talon]

I've gotta go look into it in a bit then

[eternal talon]

Not mutated people, but that the people were still in there.

Yesterday during the stream the players had apparently thought that they were reanimated

Then again it seemed they were unaware of the difference between nam-v and the parasite, with BOTH being required to make sleepers, not just nam-v

[loud urchin]

i'm pretty sure they know, likely that being away for a while made them mince their words a bit/forget the fine detail

[eternal talon]

They were most likely thinking of the daylight mission logs where they were fighting the red variants on the surface near garganta

If I had to guess

[cunning kayak]

Found it - R7Y-PWM-539
||There's that noise again. Almost by my ear, like a mosquito. I thought it would disappear now that... I mean, I lost it. There's blood on the sheets. I woke up and there it was... but the smell! Like death. Good riddance. John is going to be devastated. Mmm. Pathetic, of course. Hell awaits me, but I'll gladly burn before mothering that little freak. Never felt so disgusting, ever. And now... what? That thing is just dead in there? It's been too long... I need to take it out. I think— It's... what is this? Flesh? Is it the fetus? It must be... Yeah... yeah. It's coming out. Good. Easy.||

[eternal talon]

But to be clear,

The virus always kills you. It is an omnipotent force of nature. In every universe it has appeared, it has eventually killed all life.

The parasite has a symbiotic relationship with the virus.

Together, the virus makes the parasite immortal.

The virus kills and kills and kills... and runs out of food

The immortal parasites and their hosts are a bottomless fuel tank for the virus

That is how they are symbiotic

[foggy summit]

Ok but how do they get energy

[eternal talon]

They defy the laws of physics. We don't have an answer.

[loud urchin]

that's the fun part

voodoo bullshit, some serious bad juju

[eternal talon]

I agree with you though... realistically they shouldn't just be able to have infinite energy and just live forever, but they do... so...

[foggy summit]

Tis a plothole

I guess they hibernate

[eternal talon]

You would hope so... but r6 threw a monkey wrench in that machine

The floaters... durant's expedition mentioned them being active from the day they got there

Destination hasn't had life in billions of years and the floaters weren't hibernating

So they'd just been floating around expending energy hunting for billions of years without food

[foggy summit]

My only thought is they photosynthesize

[eternal talon]

Idk. It's one of many mysteries

Gotta brb tho, taking a shower

[foggy summit]

The meatballs go to the surface, photosynthesize, then come down and feed the rest of the sleepers

[eternal talon]

Floaters didn't get to earth until r6b1 when we leave the warp tether open...

Before that as far as we know it is only human infected, collector infected, and whatever other species are on the vessel

For 65 million years

Also for large stretches of time the vessel was cut off from the surface. They make a point that the earthquakes along the Merida faultline are what gives it temporary access to the surface world

That is why/when the mayans encountered it

And again with the red cross and such in the 21st century

[ionic dune]

when schaeffer describes how madoxs body got taken that was by a snatcher right?

[eternal talon]

Yes

You also hear it's unique audio sfx

[ionic dune]

which?

[eternal talon]

r7b1. at the very end.

its funny he tells you to "watch out" yet the creature isn't introduced until c1

[ionic dune]

yea i was a bit confused but oh well, already killed one so

[ionic dune]

is it right after "schaeffer out"?

[eternal talon]

wdym?

[ionic dune]

the unique sfx

[eternal talon]

no? i meant you hear sound effects unique to the snatcher

not that this log has unique sfx

[ionic dune]

oooooh

i thought you meant at the very end of the mp3 file lol

not the footsteps or whatever

[thin surge]

@eternal talon Are the logs listed in the ARCHIVE002-7 catigories on the wiki consitered to be ALT or OG timeline?

[ionic dune]

if we contracted the parasite and went into a HSU would the parasite die?

[eternal talon]

they would be original worldline. the santonian industries website hadn't been updated since at least ogr7 before it was taken down. if memory serves, those archives should just be identical to the logs in the base rundowns so i'm not sure why they'd have their own listings on the wiki. as to the exclusive santonian industries logs, iirc 99% were in the corrupted folder, released just before or just after a rundown came out.

[eternal talon]

yes, but any damage up to that point would remain. if it tore a hole through your skin you'd still be profusely bleeding.

[ionic dune]

Oh ok, would this eventually kill us or would the HSU somehow keep us ”alive” until we were woken up again?

[eternal talon]

we in hydrostasis we are dead--i figure if you put someone actively dying in, it'd just fail to reanimate them later on

[ionic dune]

Fair

[thin surge]

Wanted to clarify because all but a few logs are the same on there with the addition of some state of truth logs

[ionic dune]

is there any specific reason the parasite makes a victim into a scout?

[eternal talon]

None that we know. Why the parasite chooses how to mutate its hosts is... unknown to us. Mirky at best.

We can only make assumptions based on observation

That being; probably something related to the host body's physical makeup prior to infection, or some desperate need in the hive.

There are different subspecies of parasite... that could play a role too.

[ionic dune]

Oh ok

[vagrant forum]

do the prisoners have lore based loadouts?

[eternal talon]

Um... maybe I do not remember

Check promotional material

[hot burrow]

They have some weapons

Woods - Carbine, sledgehammer, mine deployer

Dauda - Mual and Slug shot gun

Hackett - Sledgehammer, Revolver, Bio

Bishop - Maul and Heavy AR

etc

[raw terrace]

dauda? slug shotgun? in r5?

thats more of an unused gun

[hot burrow]

I think it was just for promotional art for the rundown

It could be a different gun but they look like they match up

Better imagine

Looks like it’s using the MG stock and HEL gun sight

Better imagine of woods and hackett with their guns

[ionic dune]

Hacket on bio seems fitting

[hot burrow]

Its funny if you think about it. This might of been thier loadout through each rundown

and they got shit done with it

Minus Bishop in the R4 EXT Promo art

[ionic dune]

And I can barely win with the best loadouts lol

[hot burrow]

Bulit Diff

[ionic dune]

yea lol

[next panther]

guys i need some lore help QUICK

where is schaeffers whiteboard in r6cx

$100000000 to first person to help me

[west pebble]

#wiki-chat message

[blissful kraken]

L

[frigid slate]

You lost this?

Where my money

[patent oak]

https://www.twitch.tv/sammydugeilerdaddy/clip/ProductiveEphemeralHerringSeemsGood-mBvAQa9xUtMa5OVI

[pseudo estuary]

How tall are the prisoners? I am making a project and I must know their proportions.

[raw terrace]

we uh dont know
u could probably meaasure it via the sniper and its sight along with thee cube distance of the map

but

aa

[simple ingot]

if you ignore the broken hand rig and some material issues on the pants, this is how tall they are in Blender

195CM or 6'4 in freedom units

198.8CM or 6'5 to be more precise

[ionic dune]

I don’t think the hands are supposed to do that lol

[ionic dune]

Tall bois icl

[simple ingot]

very

[royal crow]

For a super soldier? I'm not surprised

[pseudo estuary]

They seem short in game but that could just be pov

[pseudo estuary]

Ty

[raw terrace]

yeh cuz the camera seeems to be on top of the player

[radiant root]

let’s just say there’s some shader magic✨ going on in gtfo first person pov

[hard linden]

Brute force methods have lead to dead ends

[ionic dune]

unfortunate

[thin surge]

Are the Dr. Stokes audios considered logs?

[raw terrace]

yes

well in thee alts they are logs

like straight up

but in OG r6 the audios were transcribed to the wiki as logs

[eternal talon]

Any kind of Lore related text or audio I consider to be a "log", regardless of format.

As sledo said, in OG they were played over the facility intercoms. In alt://, due to the community not wanting the lore "shoved down their throats", 10cc either removed or converted them into traditional terminal logs.

[ionic dune]

”Shoved down their throats” - two guys who complained the loudest

[eternal talon]

hey, don't shoot the messenger, as far as i know that is the reason.

people felt that the story slowed down the gameplay

particularly on door scans

[ionic dune]

Yea ik lol

Just hyperbolic about what probably happened

Door scans might be fair enough but atp do them like during gameplay (like looting) or sum

[wary portal]

Dr stokes was having a stroke

[ionic dune]

What’s the lore behind R8A2 ?

Because it said at the end “thank you for your sacrifice”

[honest summit]

Team accidentally getting TPd into a Freaky Tutorial Mission and die

The Bad ending, both OG and Alt Team dying

[ionic dune]

Damn ok

[vagrant forum]

freaky ahh level

[ionic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-gif-4656385985544318455

[proven coral]

What is the deal behind those audio logs with the woman talking about a John and a child? I must have missed some cause it does not make any sense to me

[eternal talon]

not Schaeffer. different john.
basically the first mother variant iirc.

[proven coral]

oh god that is terrible

[eternal talon]

see previous conversation on sleeper physiology

its worse than terrible.

its nightmare fuel.

[proven coral]

this game's lore is just amazing

[eternal talon]

i agree.

also hi, moth

[ionic dune]

hi

been a while

got into speedrunning

[eternal talon]

i've been addicted to Zenless Zone Zero

[ionic dune]

W's

never heard of it

but W's

[eternal talon]

it's a gacha game

mihoyo

you should check it out. it's f2p

[royal crow]

Mihoyo

Oh god
My phone has now an AI or some shit

[eternal talon]

yes, i'm sure we've all played genshin back in the day to know their reputation
but zenless is like... unironically extremely generous

that, and its like anime DMC

[ionic dune]

i dont play gachas lol

[royal crow]

Want to know something funny?
ZZZ isn't even as generous as other gacha games

Btw

PGR is having a DMC collab

[eternal talon]

i mean i've gotten over a hundred free pulls in just a couple days...

[royal crow]

They straight up added Dante and Vergil + all of their movesets from DMC 5

[royal crow]

A lot of Gacha games do that and way more

That how they hook the player to the game

[eternal talon]

x to doubt. i've played other gachas

besides, the gameplay is fire

been playing it f2p for about a week

[royal crow]

Yes, I used to play Genshin a lot

[royal crow]

Don't fall into the dynamic gacha scam

The more you play the less chances you have to obtaining the limited characters

Yes, that's a thing, yes it's illegal, do they care? No

[eternal talon]

why are you trying so hard to get me to stop playing lol? i just find it fun.

[royal crow]

I play gacha games too

But I don't want to see you fall into the "scam" (like I see a lot of people do and I also did)

[eternal talon]

...i'm top 500 NA on hearthstone. i've got money sinks elsewhere lol

[royal crow]

Yeah that's true LOL

[ionic dune]

im one verification away from a WR in a gtfo level lol

[royal crow]

Show it

I need to see the power of the Moth

[ionic dune]

https://www.speedrun.com/GTFO/runs/yjq48pdm

just dont look into why its WR

[next panther]

omw to yoink your record

[ionic dune]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ionic dune]

does anyone have the schaeffer knocking sound?

like the morse code

R1D1 that is

[honest summit]

just look up on youtube

if its not 2 year old then its from R1D1

[ionic dune]

found

[ionic dune]

How like realistic is the ”LIST” and ”QUERY” cmds to real life?

Would one be able to use it like they’ve used them?

[honest summit]

List Zone_Living_Room

[ionic dune]

😭🙏

[honest summit]

Ping House_Key_69

Unless every Pack Has a tracker built in, i dont think it is that realistic

[ionic dune]

Nah but if something had like a microchip which had the ID ”phone_[whatever]” could one use ”QUERY PHONE_[whatever] to find information packets from this microchip

Bruh I hate discords formatting

[digital wedge]

Doesn't apple have those air tag things?

[short viper]

so like, the terminal itself is just a command line interface. like, that exists. on your computer. the way it's implimented is conveinent to the game yeah, but like. a CLI is generally gonna be way less accessable than a GUI. example, yeah apple air tags

[ionic dune]

Aight so it could work like that irl?

[digital wedge]

Cli is so eazy tho, its just text😭 🙏

[ionic dune]

And I’m guessing the trackers you put on stuff can have like a folder with updating stats on it to simulate a query command?

[short viper]

it's uh. i mean, the scope of what you're describing is pretty significant

[digital wedge]

Nah, i imagin the servers know what room something is in, the trackers just say where they are

[ionic dune]

If you ping them it shows the amount left

Mb should’ve said ping

[short viper]

command line parsing is like a second year systems programming assignment in uni, that's like. lowercase F fine, doable in an afternoon for someone knowedgable, doable in like, two weeks if you've forgotten most of it (me).

assuming you have that, you'd need a way to know where something is, and what room corresponds to that where, which is either very simple or very hard depending on like, what solutions are available for that on the market and if those solutions are open source

[digital wedge]

Probs just writen down somewhere, like how hospitals track there stock of controled substances

[ionic dune]

As in I’m just theorizing, I’m not gonna do it myself lol

[digital wedge]

🧢

[ionic dune]

Yea but like if you use it it goes down without like ”connecting” somewhere

[ionic dune]

Im in collage bro😭🙏

[digital wedge]

Probs gameplay things🤷‍♂️

[next panther]

collage

[short viper]

they're a picture

[ionic dune]

Yea I’m in a picturebook whataboutit?

[ionic dune]

We could have a Bluetooth thingy which syncs with servers to update it

And that might also be why we see it in our hud

[digital wedge]

Its probs just a weight thing tbh, if you know the weight of whats jnside it you know how much you have next

[short viper]

but basically if you're jerryrigging a similar system you'd essentially need three devices that can ping [whatever you're trying to keep track of], use that delay to calculate a distance, use that distance as a radius, which gives you a point between all three devices

which is like. just GPS

[ionic dune]

Wouldnt you have to place it down in a specific way?

[ionic dune]

Im not lol, just asking cuz curiosity

[digital wedge]

Idk🤷‍♂️

[ionic dune]

GPS is a wonderful thing

[short viper]

i mean, also the in game functionality isn't as robust. any resources that are moved and placed aren't trackable by the terminal

[ionic dune]

You have to requery no?

[short viper]

afaik if you swap something out it doesn't show up on query?

[ionic dune]

Wuuuut

[next panther]

yeah its a bug

[ionic dune]

Wuuuuuuut

[next panther]

you can ping something not in your zone

[ionic dune]

This game is bugfree 🐟

[short viper]

I thought that it just removed the terminal entry for an item once its picked up, but admittedly i've not fiddled around with the game to really know the behavior all that well

it hasn't come up and when it has, it's been on a time crunch

[ionic dune]

Weird ahh game

[short viper]

but like that also means that if we were making a (more or less) 1-1 port of this jank CLI then the implimentation of uses is actually super easy

because resource uses are defined at declaration and then cease to matter when the thing is picked up

[ionic dune]

I understood like 0.5 sentences

[short viper]

basically, think of an ammo pack. an ammo pack does something: Refill your ammo, and has properties: the number of uses

[ionic dune]

Yea

[short viper]

all ammo packs have the same uses. ALL of them refill your ammo, so we don't really care about that from once instance of ammo to another. it's consistant

but if we were to create a new ammo pack, we would have to define how many uses it has

[ionic dune]

Yea

And that’s like smol file

Simple to process at large

[short viper]

so if we manifested an ammo pack into your house that you could ping off of your very real real life GTFO terminal, it would say...

Ammopack_696

with [3] number of uses. But if you picked it up, because the entry disappears from the terminal (in observed practice), then there's really no need to update the terminal entry if you use it once

because like. if you can't ping it then obviously querying the number of uses from the terminal isn't even possible

[ionic dune]

Heh nice

[ionic dune]

Fair

[short viper]

anyways welcome to object oriented programming

[digital wedge]

This is some nerd shit😭 🙏 🎣

[ionic dune]

I’ve done html coding and next term I’m doing coding

Or well programming

[short viper]

depending on what language your uni classes make you learn, object oriented programming can either be pretty whatever or kind of an annoying nightmare

my uni made me learn it in python. which. uh. wasn't designed for it.

[ionic dune]

Swedish (joking)

Also still in a picturebook

Also not taking programming in uni hopefully (it’s gonna be a bunch of programming)

[short viper]

well, hopefully your uni doesnt hate you and make you use C

[royal crow]

C

[short viper]

yeah "I hope you like terminating EVERY array with a special character and if you don't you've fucked up big time" C

[ionic dune]

Im gonna do automation engineering

[short viper]

RIP

[ionic dune]

Unfortunate ig

[short viper]

i mean, i say rip. i think every time i took a microprocessors or microcontrollers class they used some version of C+

which isnt that bad

[ionic dune]

All I know is ima be setting up robots in factories

Which is gonna be a pain I feel like

[royal crow]

You are about to become a really valuable person career wise very very soon

[short viper]

if you wanna be a fuckin wizard at that stuff ML is great to learn

it's also fucking inscruitable and a severe pain in the ass

[ionic dune]

I know lol😭🙏kinda happy kinda sad

[ionic dune]

So I’ve heard lol, kinda like raising ur own child

[ionic dune]

But also I’m done with my education in like minimum 7 years, a lot can happen

[royal crow]

7 years?

Bro

[short viper]

people that know ML scare me. the dude that learned how to perform ACE in paper mario by reverse engineering N64 machine language is the one dude i don't want to cross

[ionic dune]

6*

5 years engineering I think

Idk might be 3

[short viper]

going for a masters?

[ionic dune]

🤷‍♂️

Like unironically idk how the education system works here

Im just choosing and going along with it

[ionic dune]

That one coding guy on YouTube I used to watch, the TV head guy

[royal crow]

"fuck it, we ball" mentality

[ionic dune]

Literally

Been having that mentality for far too long 😭🙏

[royal crow]

You got this far

Keep it up

🙏

[ionic dune]

I am somehow

Doing exactly the same thing with national tests here in Sweden

(People make them out as a big deal they aren’t super important if you already perform)

Like if ur right in the middle of a C with a nice teacher and an A in the nationals you can get B

And I have good enough to go engineering

For now

Just checked my grades, am doing a bit better than I thought lol

[ruby meadow]

I have 11 years left of education/residency to look forward to. yay…

[ionic dune]

idk what ill have after uni

[ruby meadow]

Taking MCAT this August

[ionic dune]

W's

[ruby meadow]

3 months away and I am already cooked

[ionic dune]

not W

[worn rivet]

[ionic dune]

[ruby meadow]

[vagrant forum]

[ionic dune]

[ionic dune]

could this be an early stage mother? (R8B1)

and could this be an even earlier stage mother?

or later

#wiki-chat message this for more "proof"

[royal crow]

That seems more like a rotten cocoon

[ionic dune]

maybe

its just the tumors

[raw terrace]

theres one in the room of the first alarm that looks more like so

[ionic dune]

yea ik, just took that cuz i hadnt gotten to that part yet

[ionic dune]

Like my arguments for it being a mom is that the other host gets turned into a tumor, it has the same shape of a mom, you can almost even see the ”head” of the second host in the tumors

I wonder what @eternal talon has to say about it

[eternal talon]

i honestly can't say... it resembles a respawn coccoon more than a mother, though.

[ionic dune]

👍

[tame goblet]

This is just a poorly made Alpha model that they decided to stick into the game

[past vessel]

has it really been in the game this long?

And by extension, are there others

[unborn otter]

I'm around, but I stopped being active on GTFO srv because I stopped playing the game and I stopped playing the game due to burnout. I also want to say dw I'm not hacked or botted. 😆 😂 🤣

[glacial karma]

i dont think u can get ur acc stolen just from a friend req lol

u would need to have clicked on something they sent u afterwards AND accept a discord acc link verification thing

[royal crow]

GTFO

Lore

Where

[raven nest]

it's the law

first try

[eternal talon]

waiting for questions.

i still check this channel daily.

just nothing really to say.

[vagrant forum]

what's your favorite prisoner

[eternal talon]

in terms of?

personality, lore/writing, character design, etc?

[vagrant forum]

whatever you think is the best

[loud urchin]

think DoW lore is something you'll get into?

[eternal talon]

probably dauda.

[eternal talon]

not at all, really.

[vagrant forum]

why?

[loud urchin]

ya DoW seems boring

[next panther]

i like bot d0cr3d

[loud urchin]

errm you closed the door on me

[eternal talon]

if it ends up having ties or easter eggs to gtfo, i'll probably look into those from an outsider's pov, but heist games aren't really my thing.

[eternal talon]

mainly because of his history. his past and its implications are fucked up and dense enough you could write a novel entirely centered around him and his experience leading up to the collapse of garganta and him entering hydrostasis

[raw terrace]

what the fuck new pfp frostty :O

[digital wedge]

❌

[raw terrace]

:c

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/buetFosRvdU
i love him.

[vagrant forum]

what's your most and least favorite parts of the lore

[eternal talon]

though it never really got development, i love thoughts and theories around how the ancient mayans would combat a sleeper infestation, and still think it'd make a great spinoff.

in terms of least favorite, i really don't like how rushed r8 feels. it has big implications, but none of it is left to simmer, and ultimately, we were left with a bad ending.

[raw terrace]

i tried putting all the logs in order to make a concept video of all of them in order, and i uh gave up mid r4

[raw terrace]

schaeffer suddenly turning bad makes me sad :[

he was a crazy goofball and in a2 he just "ok i wanna kill my partner now!"

like huh

[eternal talon]

henriksson was built up as an important side-character in r7, then in r8 he is just killed offscreen with zero dialogue.

[vagrant forum]

oh fr that would be such a cool game

[raw terrace]

he really was just a tool of the story, killed to just make schaeffer seem bad ah ohh scary

like- he needed him????

like really badly?? he knew how to operate things?

[eternal talon]

something vaguely Predator (1987) coded.

the ancient mayans in the 16th century managed to beat back and draw with something modern 21st century humanity got completely wiped out to.

#BuiltDifferent

[ionic dune]

wasnt it with magic or sum like that?

[raw terrace]

in the 16th century huh wuh

[eternal talon]

no. we have no idea how -- just that they did

because the planet didn't go extinct...

[ionic dune]

well it did, just a few years after

[eternal talon]

in lore, the parasite and the virus is responsible for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Maya_collapse

[raw terrace]

mexicans always winnin as per usual

we extremely based

[eternal talon]

not just a few years.

[ionic dune]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell

[eternal talon]

**The team uncovered ancient Mayan records of several earthquakes in the region, with the most recent one being in the mid 13th century.

Researchers at the Lamanai project studied scores of tablet inscriptions from their extensive library and discovered reference to a series of catastrophic population declines that occurred in the Yucatan between 800 and 1300 CE. Until the Merida quake, these population fluctuations were assumed to be related to the frequent outbreaks of disease in the region. **

thats almost two thousand years

[ionic dune]

just a few years

[eternal talon]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/few

[ionic dune]

a minor amount

[eternal talon]

if you are talking in the grand scale of the universe, i guess technically "few" counts...

[ionic dune]

[royal crow]

Omg new Frostty pfp

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-vlad-zzz-hugo-vlad-hugo-zzz-gif-3687185430709989838

[north obsidian]

frosty have you seen dexter

[digital wedge]

Yo what did they do to codevein?

[eternal talon]

no.

[north obsidian]

ok

[eternal talon]

this isn't code vein. also, that game is great.

shame it never got a sequel

[digital wedge]

I think scarlet nexus is the successor to the game

[eternal talon]

Iirc it is a different universe. Code vein is set in the god eater universe.

[royal crow]

Scarlet nexus mentioned

Absolute peak

(too much dialogue but still peak)

[eternal talon]

Iizuka: Scarlet Nexus is a completely independent title with a different world and setting from Code Vein and God Eater so the gameplay and story will be original and different from the two games.

[vagrant forum]

is it canon that prisoners do PE for all applicable levels

[eternal talon]

yes.

except r8a2 (secondary), which isn't canon.

[past vessel]

I figured R8A2 Sec had to be some kind of dream/nightmare sequence

[vagrant forum]

a2 sec isnt cannon?

i thought it was nightmare timeline

[past vessel]

R8A1 and R8A2 take place at the same time, but the code is from R8B2 Main and Sec

there's no way for the Original Team to have the code

[ionic dune]

Isn’t that the reason it’s called nightmare team?

[past vessel]

never heard anything about a Nightmare Team

(it's not listed on the Wiki; Story or Lore pages at all)

According to the Dual Reality Theory, there are two different worldlines or variants of the story set in parallel universes. The original worldline represents the game's early access' Rundowns and the alternate worldline corresponds to the "replacement" Rundowns (ALT://) from the game's final version. The original worldline's prisoners and Schaeffer succeed to rebel against the Warden and defeat him. Their alternate worldline's equivalents learn about the Collectors and seek to escape to a safe dimension ("clean membrane"), untouched by Sleeper infestation. In Rundown 8.0, the alternate group of Prisoners and alternate Schaeffer travel to the original worldline, where the Warden was destroyed but their doubles still present. To escape, the two teams of characters have to interact with each other.

This is what is present on wiki

I don't think this is wholly correct either-- and should be updated. In R8D1 you can encounter another dead team of Woods, Dauda, Hackett, and Bishop

[ionic dune]

There’s some like map I saw of ”OG team” ”ALT team” and ”nightmare team”

Lemme see if I can find it

[royal crow]

R8A2 sec is basically a "what if"

"what if our characters took the wrong turn"

[royal crow]

"in rundown 8 the alternate group of prisioners and alternate Schaefer travel to the original worldline"

That is not what happens tho

Who wrote that 🤔

[ionic dune]

Oh yea just found this quote form a moderator

[past vessel]

makes sense. I'm glad it exists, R8A2 Sec is really cool

[ionic dune]

Fav mission

[past vessel]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Understanding_the_lore_of_GTFO?action=history

sole contributor to this page up to this point is RefFoxtrot

[royal crow]

ALT team doesn't travel to OG worldline

Rundown 8 is made of a bunch of worldlines

We know this because of the other dead teams and the funny geometry

[ionic dune]

Isn’t it a bunch fused together?

[royal crow]

Yes

[past vessel]

that's how I interpreted it, a bunch fused together

[royal crow]

That is basically what they show

[past vessel]

R8B2 Sec is probably the biggest contributor to this front

you get to hear other teams in the distance

[royal crow]

Anyways, can someone fix it?

Idk shit about wiki

[past vessel]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore?action=history

this should be the correct link in reference to the page I excerpted from

There's 3(technically 4) pages on the Lore right now

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore
https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Understanding_the_lore_of_GTFO
https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Worldlines
https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Timeline

To make this mix of lore pages spicier, "Timelines" redirects to Worldlines page and not the Timeline page, which is related to a chronology of the lore logs

Here are my initial thoughts:

-Delete the current Timeline page in its entirety, add "Timeline" as a redirect to the Worldlines page, which already has a "Timelines" redirect
-Lore and Understanding the Lore of GTFO should be condensed into 1 page, deleting Understanding the Lore of GTFO page and just having it all on the Lore page in a re-organized fashion```

That way we're only looking at 2 (technically 3) remaining pages still with all of the info (and corrected information based upon newer discoveries):
-Lore page
-Worldlines page
-Logs page (adding the contents of Timeline to it with a spoiler dropdown)

because right now, I just see this as page bloat and it's making it rather difficult to easily access the lore, and there are events that need updating

going to page @vestal delta to review posed changes before I do any of that since I believe he's the only one with the admin authority to delete pages and remove redirect bloat. I would put this in #wiki-chat and can move there about it

[vestal delta]

That sounds like a pretty good idea

[vagrant forum]

gtfo tag 🥺

[vestal delta]

we dont have access to that feature yet

[past vessel]

OK, I'll get to it later today, and will inform once I do have that all in order. Cleanup on exact events can come after content is moved

[knotty glade]

As someone who went through the gtfo wiki to try and understand the lore, I thank you for your service.

[past vessel]

yep, still have a lot of pending changes; still on it. will notify

Was just editing the R6C3 page for that article's intial cleanup

[raven nest]

I've watched multiple videos and still have no idea

[royal crow]

Alien have Goku but virus version (Nam-V)
They fuck it up
They die and crash to earth
Dinosaur dead
Millions of years later
Mayans fight sleepers and die
Thousands of years later an earthquake happens in Mexico
Greedy company goes to mine
Find alien space ship
Find virus
Virus breaks out

[raven nest]

I prefer calling Nam-V the nahvi (from avatar)

[knotty glade]

Okay but good luck explaining what the warden wants and the ending

[royal crow]

The ending is easy to explain

The OG team betrays ALT team and goes to the clean worldline, which is the same worldline ALT Durant arrived during the EF-01 expedition

Oh and there's probably another Bishop in there

Lol

[knotty glade]

did they bring the virus with them? (seems likely) If so, why did the Warden/collector, send them there.
Why does Garganta (or at least some secure facility) exist in the same location in this wordline if it's "clean" of the virus? (suggests the alien ship still exists in this wordline)
What does the collecter mean by impure, why are they collecting the virus, and what does that mean?
The collection being incomplete suggests something is either missing or wrong (impure collection). What is it?

The ending leaves a lot of questions that have implications on what the Warden's objective is. It clearly doesn't care about saving lives, so why did it send the one team to a "clean membrane".

[royal crow]

1st: The Warden didn't sent us there, we arrived there (The Warden only gave ALT Schaeffer the info he needed and that's it), Project Insight explored different worldline both Destination and Jungle dimension where in the worldlines they saw.
We used the MWP, data cubes and the data from Insight to go there

2: Garganta doesnt exist in Jungle dimension, when we activated the MWP we also teleported a part of KDS Deep with us (is really likely we also brought the virus with us since Nam-V is a bitch to deal with)

3rd: is possible the collectors are collecting/saving different species from worldlines affected by Nam-V either to save them or search for a cure

4th: same as 3rd + the "impure" collecting could be something/someone infected

5th: is pretty much answered by some of the points above

[eternal talon]

Don't rely on videos. Most are extremely out of date, are missing information, or are misinformation.

Read the two "lore for dummies" documents in the pins of this channel

[raven nest]

i have to actually effort in? /j

[eternal talon]

We can't because we don't know. The game never tells us. We can Infer from several possibilities, but it was left unknown.

[eternal talon]

I know the general populous is growing increasingly illiterate, but yes, you have to read

[raven nest]

i will tomorrow, just chilling grinding bo4 cos i can

[eternal talon]

As for the ending, it is fairly simple, but relies on information from logs. In the original worldline, durant and the ef01 expedition went to destination. In the alt:// worldline, durant and ef01 went to this unknown jungle worldline. It just so happens that they left the complex right before the nam-v outbreak took over, and given the surface is pretty much dead... making them possibly the last living humans. (At least in the series of worldlines that we explore)

R8e2 is us using data from project insight (that ef01 was a part of) to warp ourselves to this clean jungle worldline. Unfortunately, it is far more likely than not that in doing so, we brought nam-v with us, thus dooming this worldline to suffer the same fate as all the others.

Ah, I see now from scrolling down that pable had already explained it well.

[plush nest]

Wasn’t there a video a guy made, that was just wrong?

[royal crow]

Roanoke?

The "I'm just saying what I see, completely ignoring official sources and lore" guy

[eternal talon]

^

[ionic dune]

lmao

[eternal talon]

I commented on both the original video and the sequel. He responded then deleted both comments within the span of roughly 20 minutes.

[royal crow]

roanoke is the kind of guy that says: "i have a biology degree and you dont"

(i think he said that in a couple videos)

[eternal talon]

*X:XX is incorrect., we know Y is Z because XXXX-XXXX log in RYXZ says "X"

no

"the comparison between earth flora/fauna and this planet's likely doesn't fall in the same category."

[loud urchin]

if you're talking about biological feasibility as it stands in the current world then maybe he has a point

but the entire point of the sci-fi game is that it is science fiction and parts do not reflect reality

[eternal talon]

but the log literally says it is...

deleted

[eternal talon]

he claims nam-v and parasitidae garganta are a singular fungus.

there is no symbiotic relationship, no virus, no parasite. a fungus.

an alien fungus.

[royal crow]

if it was Fungus then any of this wouldnt have happened

💀

[eternal talon]

like the last of us

[loud urchin]

time to get the clotrimazole...

[eternal talon]

his videos covering movies generally aren't that bad, but he just refuses to admit he is wrong when there is evidence refuting his claims.

[glacial karma]

nam-v seems to be a bit selective, for example it doesnt appear to target plants
since some of the facility was brought with them on the teleport, if its still working, i think it may be possible for them to control the virus brought over and disinfect

the amount brought over to the fresh dimension should be very little, and we know that the virus will die if the host is in cryostasis

[eternal talon]

problem is: 99%, we are carrying it.

and, we straight up ripped that section of KDS-DEEP out of the walls to drag it with us

we didn't take the reactor

none of them would have power, and wouldn't be able to work.

[glacial karma]

oof

yea if no way to enter cryostasis thers no way to control the virus

we know it spreads thru liquid and air, and we were just spraying blood and guts everywhere right before the teleport, so theres no way it didnt get carried over

who was that researcher that talks to u at the end? didnt he get stuck there like years before? how did he survive?

[ionic dune]

I believe that was Durant unsure though

[eternal talon]

it is durant, yeah.

in OG, he/ef01 went to destination and everyone except for bishop died.

in ALT, he/ef01 went to the jungle planet and nobody returned.

(alt bishop isn't alt bishop)

we don't know where alt bishop came from.

some other worldline--unknown

[raw terrace]

h huh why

[glacial karma]

i thought durant was in the jungle planet for years, how did he survive there?

[raw terrace]

durant and the team probs went with a lot of resources plus the land seems to be habitable

[glacial karma]

maybe he had some disinfection equipment

i meant specifically survive from the virus

[raw terrace]

by the time the tests were going, nam-v was just starting to infect garganta

plus a lot of the Insight wing was very closed off

[glacial karma]

hmmmm so he might not hav had it which means now he will

rip durant

[raw terrace]

they knew a lot of how to evade the virus

hammerstein survived several years testing sleepers

[glacial karma]

if they do have some way of isolating, and if they can also build a generator to power some of the HSUs that was teleported over, then there is a chance they can kill off the virus

maybe the traps durant talked about were set in case of this happening and it was sleepers that teleported instead of people

[royal crow]

Huh

[raw terrace]

do HSUs have to have energy? i don't believe so

they can be manual

[royal crow]

Good luck trying to power up 10k~ ish HSUs with nothing but scraps

[raw terrace]

considering how we can turn off the lights or visit zones without energy and still find functional hsus

they can probably work on their own

[glacial karma]

hmmmm

maybe after HSU is initiated it doesnt take much to maintain

but they should only need 4, for the 4 survivors
they would be the only ones that are infected

[raw terrace]

maybe u can just use em by urself as dauda or schaeffer did

[royal crow]

They would need 80-100 for a good gene pool

And remake humanity

[raw terrace]

we were like 1000 people at some point in history we can do it again

[glacial karma]

if what slendo says is right they technically dont need any they can just kill the 4 survivors to get rid of the virus and resucitate the HSUs that got teleported

[royal crow]

1000 monkeys*

[raw terrace]

nono humans
ice age kdmsk

[glacial karma]

but 4 HSUs would be needed to kill the virus without killing any more humans

[raw terrace]

well actually i think by then it was sapiens but

i no remember

[royal crow]

Yeaaaaah good luck to everything else outside

We know what happened to Destination

This won't be any different

:b

[glacial karma]

i think its possible to contain

would b hard so maybe only small chance

[royal crow]

Collectors would like to disagree

A highly advanced civilisation, more than us, capable of multiversal travel wasn't able to do anything against them

We are nothing compared to them

[glacial karma]

collectors probably also lacked knowledge of nam-v and the parasite, and their symbiotic combination

do we know all of their civilization fell?? it was only 1 ship no?

i find it hard to believe that an entire multiverse traversing civilization would fall to a single virus, unless that virus is so strong that it appears in every universe (which from what we know is likely not true)

[eternal talon]

@glacial karma the collectors (as we know them) were exiles. their actual species, or civilization, or whatever would likely be infinitely more advanced than even them.

they just had their one ship.

[glacial karma]

ah ic

[eternal talon]

according to the collectors' dialogue via the coundit in alt://r6, they claim that every universe they've ever visited where the virus was present, that it has become the sole/primary life force of that universe.

**VOICE 2
We travel. We project. From before, and after, through the membranes.

VOICE 1
Membranes.

VOICE 2
Planes. Spheres. Phases. Dimensions. Universes. We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure.

VOICE 1
Did you "collect" those creatures?

VOICE 2
Yes. They are the Collection. They are impure. We have been in exile for 2-point zero-6-6-3-8-8-8-5-2 times 10 to the power 15 Seconds. We have been waiting.

VOICE 1
For what?

VOICE 2
In this membrane, a resolution has been determined.

VOICE 1
A resolution to what?

VOICE 2
Conclusion: the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.

VOICE 1
This membrane? But, outside of this place, this facility, there may be people working on a cure--

VOICE 2
96.35% of humans in this membrane are impure. The virus is the primary life force. The humans must leave.

VOICE 1
How?

VOICE 2
A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.
**

[raw terrace]

"voice 1"
chafe

[north obsidian]

was the morse code in alt r1d1 also in the og version?

[raw terrace]

in the og there was no morse code in that section

[honest summit]

Yesnt

Morse Code was in OG R4B3 iirc

With a different message

[north obsidian]

what was the message

[gray bone]

frostty should know if you can't find it

@eternal talon Would you be able to find it

[loud urchin]

probably go deeper or something

that's what og schaeffer wanted

[honest summit]

Hello

OG Shaeffer is Just shy i guess

https://youtu.be/CI3tU1SuveM?si=1zTWlyeGaHFJeQM5

[somber kite]

HI HOLE OFFICIONADOS... does anyone know if there's been an aggregate of info about the differences between the original vs ALT rundowns? curious about the mission differences but DEFINITELY the lore ones... (other than the fact that theres logs where there used to be none, AKA R1 etc... are logs the same or different in rundowns where the originals DID have logs...?)

[royal crow]

There is some big differences

Some of them being:
EF-01 expedition is different in both timelines (this is BY FAR the most important thing in the game)
Dates of events are different
Characters interviews add more information of each individual characters
Schaeffer story is also different
Mr Truth story also plays slightly different

Gameplay wise ALT and OG are pretty much the same the only big difference is that the snatcher intro is R5A2 and not R7C1

@eternal talon knows a lot more I'm pretty sure

[somber kite]

WHOA sickkk thank you!!!

[eternal talon]

you pretty much covered the main things.

most of the differences are relatively minor

--logs that are slightly reworded, dates, changed lightly.

its just important to know that ALT:// is a different universe than OG.

as Destination, is also a different universe.

and others.

they all have their differences.

[vagrant forum]

is destination the same for alt and og?

or are there 2 destinations

[royal crow]

There's an infinite amount of Destinations

The thing is

Another worldline team has probably visited OUR destination

The same way we went to visit another worldline Destination

[past vessel]

Infinite amounts of the same camps, like Alpha Six

And, correct me if wrong:
Destination = desert
Alpha = the camps/outposts

[royal crow]

Yep

There's 6 outpost and we only visit 3 of them

Or 4

I don't remember the exact number

[past vessel]

R7C2 is Alpha Six
R6D1 is… Alpha Two?

[royal crow]

Alpha one

R6D1 is Alpha one
R6DX/BX is Alpha three

R6B1/R7E1 is Alpha two

So yeah we visit 4
Cool

[lost drum]

There are also outposts in levels R7B3, R6C1

[past vessel]

Not only is there an outpost in R6C1 you can straight up see the Kraken (barely in the fog, but completely visible with thermal weaponry).

But for R7B3 I don't see an outpost, just a cavern

[royal crow]

R6C1 is Alpha one

[lost drum]

I was talking about the first teleporters R6C1. You can see the solar panel behind the map, so there's an outpost there.

Doors (R7B3)

[past vessel]

Do these count? You cant even see these from the cavern I believe, they're blocked by rocks/crystals and dont lead to an outpost, and there are no solar panels or anything over the cliffs unlike R6C1

[lost drum]

You can see the doors if you get up close. But maybe it's just a game convention to make enemies appear there

[cunning light]

This. They are just made so that enemies can be spawned in small "rooms" behind them, instead of instantly appearing in the middle of the area

[oak wing]

Sorry guys, new breakthrough. There is no lore

[ionic dune]

Don’t blur the name, I wanna talk to him

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-i-just-wanna-talk-to-him-put-that-gun-away-family-guy-gif-14677957

[royal crow]

@eternal talon

[royal crow]

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[ionic dune]

Cba

[royal crow]

:3

[ionic dune]

I wonder if they even got to the lore missions

[raw terrace]

why do u do that

[past vessel]

Got through a ton of wiki edits last night and into today, circling back to the lore migration

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[eternal talon]

bro... people wanna starve to death like schaeffer

[honest summit]

just eat people in HSUs

[ionic dune]

isnt jungle one of the better one?

[eternal talon]

Yes. That is where durant went in alt://.

[ionic dune]

yea cuz like you could prolly survive quite well there

[royal crow]

I'm talking about a good vacation spot

[vagrant forum]

me when i eat the sleeper banana

[royal crow]

Not how well you would survive

[ionic dune]

yea but like none of these got food except the jungle

[royal crow]

KDS Deep has people
Destination has the spicy meatballs and big fish
Nightmare Dimension has spaghetti sleepers

[vagrant forum]

destination has meatballs

[ionic dune]

ok got me on destination

[vagrant forum]

meat......balls........

[ionic dune]

ill let that slide cuz ikea meatballs

[vagrant forum]

ong

[eternal talon]

so would i rather vacation in
A: the mojave desert
B: an underground haunted house that stretches on for miles
C: the congo
D: a big pit with 24,000 slaves constantly coming and going

[royal crow]

choose wisely

[ionic dune]

the congo

[crisp lance]

@royal crow Theres no way its L16M4-BA1LS this week

[royal crow]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[ionic dune]

It is

[opaque crown]

24,000

[gray bone]

The Assword is L16M4-BA1LS
The A2 password however...

[crisp lance]

Oh, didn't see that

[regal olive]

Did we get any additional lore

Since r8

[ionic dune]

Their new game DoW is in a different universe than both the GTFO universes

[honest summit]

the secret R8E3 ARG was kinda crazy

[ionic dune]

At least I think so

[regal olive]

What was that

We got an e3?

[honest summit]

yeah, a secret level that you can access by solving a code on the santonian website

[regal olive]

Can i have it too

[ionic dune]

No

[regal olive]

Why

[ionic dune]

Or well

Complete E2 pacifist

[honest summit]

the web site?

[regal olive]

The r8e3

i wish there was more exploring to do in gtfo

I never felt satisfied

[ionic dune]

Anyways we trolling (afaik)

[regal olive]

Aw man

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flip-gif-25408082

I wish gtfo was less linear i guess

There's only one way to complete levels

Exploring is mostly meaningless

[thin surge]

For quite a few levels yes, but there are several that you can complete differently and you'll get very different expierences depending on which you do, R4C3 and R5E1 being the first 2 that pop into my head.

[royal crow]

Omg ClusterFuck

[thin surge]

Omg ligma balls

[ionic dune]

R5E1 can either be a ”pls get me out of fog” or ”Spemdrummer”

[regal olive]

Wasn't there an unsolved arg

In this game

[royal crow]

At this point whatever they wanted to show us already appeared ingame

[honest summit]

the santonian website?

[regal olive]

i dont remember

[honest summit]

its already solved i think

[past vessel]

probably the funniest bit of lore seems to me that the ALT crew doesn't ever canonically encounter pablo

only OG crew

[digital wedge]

Who?😭 🙏

[royal crow]

Pablo the immortal Tank

A special enemy that only spawns in R7E1 and R8A2

[digital wedge]

Is he an enemy you have to fight

[royal crow]

Not directly but yes

You have to deal with him

[digital wedge]

Wdym not directly?

[royal crow]

You don't have to kill him or shoot him

You just have to do stuff while he is with you

[somber kite]

parallel play with pablo

[glacial karma]

but

is the pablo in brazil the same pablo as the one in the facility?

i think no

i think brazillian pablo is a different one

[royal crow]

Yes

When we warp to Brazil in R7E1 EVERYONE else gets warped

The funky Matter wave collapse affects everyone in the area

That's why he is not in the complex once you return

And why he returns back when we activate the reactor

[glacial karma]

that means canonically the group killed everything except pablo both in the facility AND in brazil

hmmmm

[royal crow]

Not in the facility

Just the general area they were in

[glacial karma]

yea thats what i meant

brazil is a pretty big area tho

i guess u r supposed to clear it and not just cheese