gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

Surely if we didn't, alt would have just used what was already on it

[cunning light]

Schaeffer did

[eternal talon]

Which

[cunning light]

Alt://

[drowsy roost]

Already on what? The sphere, the cubes?

[cunning light]

(working with Warden info)

Have you played through R8 Frostty ?

[drowsy roost]

Oh, I think I get what you mean -- the uplinks were to access the "components" so that they could program the datacubes. The clean membranes was found within the datasphere, but not the location components themselves.

[cunning light]

At the end of R8B2, Schaeffer gets the information that the three coordinate components can likely be found in Project Insight archives.
However, the key to those is stored in that Datasphere.

[eternal talon]

I thought og squad had no contact with alt// team and their schaeff whatsoever?

[eternal talon]

Yes, cheating and at breakneck pace

[cunning light]

They did not, except through the messaging system

[cunning light]

If you had taken the time to understand the meaning of each objectives, you would probably have a better understanding of how it all articulates

[drowsy roost]

Although -- I'm curious, who is reprogramming the stack of the OG team in B4... the other Schaeffer I'm assuming?

(i.e. when the text is all baby blue)

[cunning light]

The OG team themselves.

At first, Henrikson changes their objective stack in A2, but quickly updates it back when Schaeffer looks above his shoulder or something

But then, in B3 and B4, the team members themselves decide to pursue their own objective

[drowsy roost]

So they've just broken through their programming?

[cunning light]

Slowly but surely, yes.

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I guess that's seen with Schaeffer in the first place.

[eternal talon]

Kinda rude, but I'm drawing blanks rn because I did it once and it was ages ago now. I've been doing other stuff to keep my mind busy

[drowsy roost]

Why extract their implants if they're just free agents anyway?

[cunning light]

Do not get me wrong. I never mean to be rude, but just want to at least cut out misconceptions when (at least in this case) the facts are backed up by solid evidence.
I might also have played through this Rundown a LOT, while testing it...

[cunning light]

I guess they got bored of hearing Schaeffer insulting them and asking them repeatedly to destroy the Complex while they were in it, just like we did ourselves while playing through R8 second arc.
Henrikson also hinted that it was the wisest course of action, in A2.

[eternal talon]

We didn't even have them removed, just deactivated. We didn't undergo surgery or nothing, just a machine that probably just bricked them. The fact we see the hud at all means they are still in there

[drowsy roost]

Not having a radio transmitter in my head is a good enough reason.

[eternal talon]

(Woulda been really neat to disable hud from then onwards)

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I found it weird we'd have to go through a massive MRI scan and song and dance when Schaeffer just pulled at it a little.

[eternal talon]

But I doubt there is much time in garganta to recover from what basically amounts to brain surgery

(No idea how schaeffer ripped henrikkson's out)

[cunning light]

Completely disabling the HUD would have been very interesting indeed, but maybe slightly too impacting for gameplay. R8D2 and even more R8E2 without HUD ? This is scary :)

[eternal talon]

But we know via audio that Henri's was actually physically taken out via machine

[drowsy roost]

Unrelated, but from what I can see all of the rundowns have their objectives set by the Warden -- none are just Biocom keeping the lights on?

And you are basically following Warden up until the end of Rundown 7.0, when a trojan is installed and and Schaeffer can set the stack himself?

(just for the wiki)

[eternal talon]

Well biocom is basically powerless atm.

Warden is controlling it and biocom's efforts to fight back have thus far proven futile

The giant terminal in r7d2 shows current commands, and it has just been looping for an undetermined amount of time with biocom trying to delete the warden, and warden rebooting the program every time it gets close to finishing

At work, so no pics, but can probably dig for one in this channel

#gtfo-lore message

Also who has been writing all of the detailed lore pages and the faq on the wiki? "Worldlines" page I'm in love

[drowsy roost]

That's me

Something about GTFO tickled the same itch that Resident Evil did so I got really into trying to piece together the puzzle.

Also work was slow...

[eternal talon]

The puzzle is an absolute mess and missing about half of its pieces. Probably eaten by sleepers.

I can help with stuff that the "for dummies" document doesn't cover, but to be frank quite a bit is left to interpretation or just not answered. And quite a bit of what we do know, is only in the 99.9999% sure category.

They don't like outright confirming basically anything

I wonder if you searched through logs how many "probably" "likely" "as if"s there would be

[austere radish]

Keeping the door open for a sequel, probably

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I think I've used the phrase "it is implied" a million times on the wiki

[eternal talon]

One of the most key aspects of the entire game, the primary antagonists discounting the sleepers, that caused ALL of this, the collectors, all we have ever seen of them is a fucking half-burried boulder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585062984619917342/1142932233339015268/20220122184702_1.jpg?ex=65a45117&is=6591dc17&hm=ca45674f7b98b6e78ceeaa956ce7a7e34271541c1483b4893ff27a4a83a2b0ff&

I still find that mildly hilarious

I figured by r8 we'd at least get to see a bit of their ship, the fossil, but nope, nothing.

(That and I guess you might count the sandstone bridges in a couple of the destination tiles)

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I was expecting R8 to be a "venture into the inner, find the ship, some deus ex machina stuff happens, humanity is saved"

[drowsy roost]

I've never seen that before...

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

Ogr6. I think it is still in alt//r6. Oooold pic

[eternal talon]

^ here are some pics of the bridges

It's all worn as fuck and basically entirely sand at this point

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, the amount of human infrastructure that was set up on the OG EF01 mission is wild. There's enough time to build massive cranes and structures... but they're also under constant attack and everyone's dead?

[eternal talon]

Surprised anything is still there at all tbh, given it has been 7.5 trillion years since the ship left destination to crash into the earth

6.5m (earth time since crash) x 85 (destination time)

[eternal talon]

Yeah, humans were only there for a couple years earth time but almost a hundred destination time

That's what you get when dealing with universes with different laws of physics. It gets fucky.

Also I should mention about the "worldlines" article, they are distinct from timelines and time travel. They are their own thing entirely https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line

We don't really ever travel back in time, we are just traveling to worldlines where the best example would be, a delayed big bang, so EVERYTHING is a bit delayed yet at the same speed relatively

It's really funky. I doubt if I didn't watch Steins;Gate I would even begin to get any of it. It's a whole nother set of rules

(Yeah steins;gate calls it time travel, but it's technically every change spawning a new worldline, thus completely ignoring all traditional "time travel" based paradoxes, because even the act of going back makes a new worldline)

I think the whole concept was spawned by the "John Titor" thing in the early 2000s, but I could be wrong.

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, so the time travel part I'm iffy about because I think that was another stone turned over by the devs but not clarified. Schaeffer mentions that the datacubes can project you in time, not just a dimension. And I suppose if some dimensions occur at different speeds (a different constant), then you are effectively projecting forwards or backwards in time.

But I chose to believe that time travel is not a thing which is happening to our characters, at least, they're not going backwards/fowards in time in their wordline.

[eternal talon]

That's true... but also how that works naturally irl with gravity. The movie Interstellar does a great job of showing this, where near a massive gravitational body you will move way slower relative to everybody else in time

But to you time stays the same

[eternal talon]

I agree. It was theorized a lot with the start of alt, but now that we know more it was disproven.

[eternal talon]

Btw Interstellar is just fucking fantastic, you should really see it if you havent.

[drowsy roost]

Love transcends time is definitely a plot which makes more sense than whatever I'm looking at here... 😆

[eternal talon]

What's even crazier is that the collectors we encounter are in exile. Imagine that

How much more advanced and massive their actual civilization is

When even the ones shunned and outcast from society are powerful enough to play god

They quite literally couldn't have made a more OP antagonist if they tried.

They probably use Dyson spheres as batteries for their toasters

[hollow sequoia]

so wth is the ending

||all the lads just leaving to a different world?||

||How are they gonna repopulate the world 😱||

[eternal talon]

They aren't.

Alt//squad got betrayed and died kicking and screaming.

Both schaeffers drowned.

Og squad left to the clean worldline and brought the virus with them, (dooming that entire worldline to the virus)

We all die.

Don't think the og squad "won". They just died the slowest.

(Also you don't need spoiler tags here. The lore channel is exempt)

[hollow sequoia]

Ohhhh

i thought they were just transported to an entirely different world smiliar to our own

i mean it is

[eternal talon]

They were... kind of. They went to the jungle planet Alt//Durant went to.

[hollow sequoia]

also weren't there another guy with Schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

Judging from this post I don't think you understand

They were both schaeffer.

From entirely different worldlines.

[hollow sequoia]

No like, Schaeffer awoke some engineer dude or something

forgot his name

[eternal talon]

Imagine each worldline as a spaghetti noodle -- r8 is a 🍝

[fading heath]

Who is maddox

[hollow sequoia]

yeah, maddox.

[fading heath]

Henrikson?

How was it spelt

[eternal talon]

Henrikkson

[hollow sequoia]

two Ss

[eternal talon]

Maddox is dead

[fading heath]

I know

[eternal talon]

So it doesn't really matter. He was a gunsmith

[fading heath]

He killed him the moment he woke him ip

I think he was infected

[eternal talon]

In self defense. His brain turned into soup.

[eternal talon]

He was not. What happened is normal

[fading heath]

Which mission should I start from

For the lore

R7a1?

[eternal talon]

R7, but I'd recommend just reading the "for dummies" document in the pins to get started as a lot of the older lore is removed or changed

[fading heath]

R6a1?

Wasn't there a dimension changing machine in r6a1

Anti wave matter

Or something

[hollow sequoia]

i think r7 has direct voice interaction from Schaeffer, i only started at r6 for the lore

[fading heath]

Schaeffer is insane

[hollow sequoia]

anyways, what's the deal with warden in the first couple of rundowns, i thought it tryna help us.

[fading heath]

I remember him telling us "be a good little prisoner" or something

I remember the good prisoner part

[hollow sequoia]

Nah, the first Schaeffer is insane, the alternate one is calculated and calm, honestly he's not schizophrenic.

[fading heath]

Where can I meet the alt schaeffer

[hollow sequoia]

the schizo Schaeffer is the one you read through logs and recordings

in the first couple of rundowns i think

[fading heath]

Who is the dude who talks to us then

[hollow sequoia]

still him, but alternate version

[fading heath]

With henriksson

[hollow sequoia]

yeah.

[fading heath]

Henriksson was a hacker right

I think something hit his head

And he forgot about that fact

[hollow sequoia]

the logs we're seeing of him has TWO variation, one where he's paranoid as hell and just despises the warden, the alternate one is curious and want to learn about the warden instead.

i mean the timeline where each rundowns take place is really hard for me to take note of

[formal ember]

that was the legions fault no?

[fading heath]

Who is legion

Legion from titan fall 2?

[hollow sequoia]

🤔

[formal ember]

project

[hollow sequoia]

Idk much about legions but the fact that it is a program of some sort

[fading heath]

I know nothing about the lore

I'll discover everything myself

[hollow sequoia]

memory erasing is part of it

which is convenient because we gets to learn about the main cast through logs.

anyways i still have no idea what happened to Henriksson

[fading heath]

I hope they remove Schaeffer next patch

Annoying bug

[fading heath]

He married schaeffer

Idk

[formal ember]

you'd think that since henrikson had the chip thing he also was part of the project like the others

[fading heath]

How was Nam v made

[formal ember]

But idk I know nothing about lore 💀

[hollow sequoia]

No, seriously, what the hell happened to him?

[hollow sequoia]

it's a virus, wdym how it was made?

[fading heath]

Bro acts like you can't make viruses

I get it fed

Nice try

[hollow sequoia]

You can modified one, not make one technically.

[fading heath]

No like where did it come from

[formal ember]

You trying to cook Nam v?

[fading heath]

No I'm not

[hollow sequoia]

It comes from underground obviously.

can't you tell?

[formal ember]

good (almost had to act)

[fading heath]

What

[hollow sequoia]

It came from the whatever the hell asteroid name is that hit earth around the time the dinosour got vaporized.

[fading heath]

It doesn't come from undergroujd

Oh

So it's some old virus

How do viruses survive in space

[hollow sequoia]

basically it came from the asteroid that hit earth which also killed most of the dinosours.

[fading heath]

That's impossible

[hollow sequoia]

how do we live in space.

we're all technically in space, surrounded by space.

[fading heath]

It's so darn cold in spcace

They would die

[hollow sequoia]

smh, like cold ever stop a virus from reviving...

[fading heath]

In order for viruses to be alive

They must be inside a living thing

Wait

That's infact what happened

[formal ember]

'And all that radiation would kill off all the germs, right? The truth may surprise you. In fact, it turns out that over 250 different species of bacteria and fungi can survive in outer space. Even more shocking, they actually thrive there.'

From google (surely you can trust it)

[fading heath]

Why would they need that ability

Those bacteria are onto something

I knew it

[eternal talon]

Read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel. Make it a million times easier on yourself

(Besides a good 40+ logs you cant read anymore so good luck trying to do it yourself through what is currently in the game)

[fading heath]

Guess what liberel
insert cool skeleton picture here
I know what's happening here
It's humans getting infected

(Thanks)

[eternal talon]

They removed the original rundowns. ALT//1-6 are remakes that bring back the gameplay only. The original lore was changed or removed entirely from those campaigns.

[fading heath]

They removed lugubrious too :(

[eternal talon]

They only recently abandoned the FOMO rundown system

[eternal talon]

It's still in the game. Now just an RNG drop

[fading heath]

Rng drop?

[eternal talon]

Random.

When you complete a level for the first time you get a cosmetic

It has been added to that pool

[fading heath]

Oh you can get it as a random drop?

I sure do hope I'm going to get lucky

[wary portal]

frosty when do you do a lore analysis about monster feet

[eternal talon]

They are all clubbed like their hands -- bones fused into blunt instruments. Not much else to say.

[hollow sequoia]

feet pic plez

[fading heath]

I love monster feet

[warm root]

I thought og r6 palettes are unobtainable now

[clear furnace]

breakes my heart...

[eternal talon]

I don't know of any that are

[warm root]

Yeah wiki says they’re out of commission. Can’t get them anymore. I’m missing Overdive (complete all r6 secondary sectors) and Overload Six (complete all r6 overload sectors)

[hollow sequoia]

when r34 gonna come up?

[queen gazelle]

I do believe this is correct

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon is R5E1 KDS deep and R8 kds deep different?

Saw some1 asking about the command on R5E1

And it had 1 behind the whole info of the command

[pine agate]

I believe they're both the same but different wings/vaults

At least that's what I've heard

[cold sphinx]

I mean

Both R8 teams made it to KDS deep

But E2 team warped away with the higher floor of the vault

Leaving E1 with the rest

[pine agate]

I think they both made it to the same vault. R5E1 ending was just a regular KDS Deep HSU vault while R8E2 it's another vault that conveniently also has a warp gate. From what I remember the logs showed that KDS Deep was actually really big so I'm not surprised if it's able to host multiple vaults

Thanks for the approval Frosty, I feel accomplished

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

I already guessed that

[eternal talon]

^

[cold sphinx]

But long have i seen it has the 1 behind the whole command

[eternal talon]

Wdym by this?

[cold sphinx]

R5E1 command for KDS crisis

[eternal talon]

KDS crysis... wha?

[cold sphinx]

It has a “1” on the last of the sentence command

[pine agate]

Oh the command you put at the end of R5E1

[eternal talon]

You mean the code we imput at the end of r5e1

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

Yeah there are loads of HSU storage vaults.

[pine agate]

KDS-Deep-Crisis-Override something like that

[eternal talon]

You see a smaller one outside of kds-deep too in r7a1

[pine agate]

Oh, that was part of the influx protocol

[eternal talon]

Where Maddox and henri were stored

[pine agate]

You just wake up more prisoners

[cold sphinx]

So the vault is basically a giant shelf

[eternal talon]

There's only the one facility, so yeah it's probably just Vault_01

[pine agate]

In fact I think R5 wasn't supposed to have an extension but then they decided to drop the 1.0 with R6 so they dropped an extension just to keep people at bay while they worked

[eternal talon]

Kinda... in total there are 24,000 HSUs in KDS-DEEP as a whole, I never bothered to count how many are in each of those silos

[pine agate]

Which is why the extended levels have little connection with the regular ones I think

[eternal talon]

We have pictures and you could probably count from top to bottom then multiply number of rows

[pine agate]

Like we were just doing random stuff and then BAM. Influx protocol arch

[cold sphinx]

I aint counting allat

But hey

Lets just keep it 24k

[eternal talon]

Same reason I didn't lmao

[cold sphinx]

With a few minuses

[eternal talon]

Well we know the exact number total. 8k outside, 24k inside, total of 32k in garganta

[eternal talon]

Yeah given the number of corpses, id probably say no more than 1/4th of the total left down here.

(Unless you assume the corpses we find just haven't rotted in half a decade)

[cold sphinx]

Nah

[eternal talon]

They gotta be KSOs

Which makes me look back at the r7c1 snatcher room and wonder what the fuck happened there.

Literally like five squads converged on that room

And ALL got KIA

[cold sphinx]

Literally us if we met in R8

[eternal talon]

The biocom server room in r7d2 has a bunch of severed heads, no bodies

Really weird shit

[cold sphinx]

Looking back at Alt dauda voice log on R5A3

[eternal talon]

(Entirely bathed in blood), and some bloodied torn clothes are all that are left

[cold sphinx]

And youd wonder why theyd kill first and ask later

Monsters clean up team

[eternal talon]

We haven't seen anything that takes the bodies and leaves the heads before though

[cold sphinx]

Pretty easy to guess cause everyones mentally unstable

[eternal talon]

No dead space dividers

shudders

[cold sphinx]

Only suspects

Is the snatcher still

Cause it has intellect

[pine agate]

I'm wondering why we can find striker corpses even though they disintegrate after death (according to a lore log about them too)

[eternal talon]

Well I mean it vores you entirely, inedible equipment and all.

I don't see why it would spit out heads

[cold sphinx]

Imagine aliens

[eternal talon]

Unless it don't like the signals the chips are giving off

[cold sphinx]

Their blood is acid towards anything but properties made by the hives

[eternal talon]

Only red -- blood door / waves do canonically. Others dont. Yes, it's weird

[cold sphinx]

Same as these mfs can get consumed by the nest without decomposing

[eternal talon]

Tons of different sleeper subspecies

[cold sphinx]

^

[pine agate]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

We have the scientific names of a bunch of them

I just don't have that list on hand

[pine agate]

At this point we still don't know what the black goo is, or what the shadows are

[cold sphinx]

Sugar ants is a subspecies for ants to literally die and feed all with the huge sugary sacks

[pine agate]

Other than the speculation from years ago

[eternal talon]

Here they are
#gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

Charger gunk is just some kind of nest material

They come out of it in one or two reactor levels

[cold sphinx]

But it sticks to the ceiling

[eternal talon]

So do respawn sacks

And baby sacks

And wall poppers

[pine agate]

Ah, I'm Stoopid, I remember that log

[cold sphinx]

My speculation

[pine agate]

Now all that's left is the shadows

[cold sphinx]

Is a webber inside the hive that does this

[pine agate]

Nightmare variants are kinda self explanatory

[eternal talon]

I still don't know how the fuck those are supposed to biologically work.

[cold sphinx]

I call em gorelings

[eternal talon]

They can't bend all light AND leave a shadow floating in the air

[cold sphinx]

Cuttlefish dna?

Or even better guess

[eternal talon]

Webber? Like from Don't starve?

[cold sphinx]

Is a liquid that was designed for invisibility for recon stiff that got spileed

[cold sphinx]

Almost

[eternal talon]

Even cuttlefish can't so that.
(Also funny you mention cuttlefish as that is the closest earth relative to the kraken sleeper enemy)

[cold sphinx]

Looking on a biological spectrum

You can splice the dna and add em up

[eternal talon]

Side by side they look damn near the same. It's uncanny tbh

Though I doubt it was intended when designing it

Head on its like a meat wall

[cold sphinx]

Thats what mutation makes

It makes both wonders and nightmares

Take this as an example

[eternal talon]

Wouldn't have that DNA on destination for it to work with, also I don't think we have ever seen the parasite splicing DNA to form hybrids... just repurposing what was already there in the host

[cold sphinx]

Int theory

[pine agate]

I like that evolution just went "You guys get your head blown off a lot. Here, lemme take that head off of you and replace it with tentacles. You're a pineapple now"

[cold sphinx]

If the ppl experimented on these guys

[eternal talon]

(And in the case of moms merging multiple hosts together)

[cold sphinx]

And made em invisible

Without loosing their reproduction cycle

And after the out break and fall of man

Youd see em grow in numbers and sizes

Like the white or red ones

[eternal talon]

Why would they to thaaaaaat

It was a losing battle for years against the sleepers

[cold sphinx]

Restless as all of em are

[eternal talon]

Why, and I know a lot of the scientists in lore are incompetent, but not that incompetent

[cold sphinx]

They still put their entire existence on the line

And make more of themselves

My number 1 was “yeah somebody made a invisibility liquid and spilled it on these mf”

[eternal talon]

What would a sleeper rat look like? Would the tumors just turn it into a lumpy log?

[cold sphinx]

But looking at a reproduction cycle id go number 2

[cold sphinx]

Nah

It looses all fur

[eternal talon]

Because it's so small

[cold sphinx]

And gain in size just by a 1.5 or 2

Its tail falls off or turns into a 2nd mouth

[eternal talon]

That's the mind I'd assume the scientists to have, and also, iirc the only one really working on and studying them was Dauda/Hammerstein

[cold sphinx]

But thats not gonna happen

Cause you see

[eternal talon]

Dauda being more virus, Hammerstein being more parasite and expeditions into the ship, stokes/durant being expeditions and study of the recovered tech to different worldlines

[cold sphinx]

A sleeper transformation

Takes tons of energy spent

Why would i say this

Of the head split dead bodies ofc

[eternal talon]

A rat is a rat. It isn't gonna have a ton of stored energy

[cold sphinx]

And there ya go

Only thing could go is

A rat king

[eternal talon]

Fucking striker rat lmao

Pablo rat

It's like the immortal snail

[cold sphinx]

Do you know the babies infected in dead space?

There

[eternal talon]

The ones that climb on walls and shoot you with bone spikes from 600ft away?

[cold sphinx]

Rat king if it was that

[eternal talon]

Or the gremlin children?

[cold sphinx]

Yea that

Has 3 big spiked tails

Rats move fast

[eternal talon]

I doubt it'd have enough mass for a single spike if you used every bone in its body

[cold sphinx]

So does those ugly shits

[cold sphinx]

Well

Sleepers dont got that much bones either

Giants however is different

[eternal talon]

Sleepers got most the human bones. Don't lose many if any

Theorizing on non-human sleepers is interesting because it gets so weird so fast and you have no fucking clue how the parasite would react to these hosts

Something like a bird I doubt it would mutate melee weapons

[cold sphinx]

T-virus moment

Lets go

You first

[eternal talon]

Sleeper turtle

Where the striker variant is already a tank

[cold sphinx]

All the awsome creatures of the same family of reptiles and that?

How bout a sleepe croc?

[eternal talon]

Probably just head-split Bite but stronger.

[cold sphinx]

Cause everything mutation about a croc on record turns it into a giant fucking killing machine

[eternal talon]

Sleeper sea sponge

[cold sphinx]

Wall sacks 2.0

[eternal talon]

(Since those are technically animals iirc)

And not plants

[eternal talon]

What would it even do? It's got no bones, no teeth, no legs, it's useless

Lmao

[cold sphinx]

Sucks in the hazardous fog

Become friends with us

[eternal talon]

Sleeper stingray or poison dart frog would be nasty. Something already super lethal

[cold sphinx]

Gives us disinfectant and meds when we get near

Does grow by throwing them c foam

You would think that at least one type of plantation might grow on the dig site title set

But theres none

[eternal talon]

Makes me wonder how the fuck the mayans, with spears and bows, no guns, no tools, no ways of protection, fought them, AND WON

[cold sphinx]

Vietnam warfare moment

[eternal talon]

Lost most of their civilization to it and yet never let it go global

[cold sphinx]

THEYRE IN THE TREES

[eternal talon]

Sleeper covid19 bats

Nam-19

[cold sphinx]

Imagine using plantations of a amazon forest and fight sleepers

Damn itd make a fine ass movie scene

[eternal talon]

Ngl if they ever revisit gtfo I wanna see a prequel either from the collector pov losing to it or the mayans beating it

The true underdogs of gtfo, beating something nobody else, not even the collectors could, using the most basic of weapons, and they barely get two logs of credit for it

[cold sphinx]

I mean

Towards all odds

Ppl had their own ass to save

[eternal talon]

Still did better than us. They saved the planet then

[cold sphinx]

So no one could have seen it by eyes and tell anyone about it

To a battle they won

[eternal talon]

Hell the entire outbreak in modern times started with two dumbasses not following quarantine procedures

[cold sphinx]

To a war they lost valiantly

[cold sphinx]

OG world quarantine was based

[eternal talon]

They didn't have hydrostasis. They would have had to send their warriors to doom guy suicide mission into the tunnels to the ship, killing as many on the way as they could before they got turned into sleepers themselves

Sleeper mayans is something we 100% could have seen in gtfo given how the parasite would keep them alive, would have been a truly horrifying sight to show how terrible being infected by it is

[cold sphinx]

the only thing they fear is YOU

[eternal talon]

Or even have what is left of the hosts try and beg you to kill them Ala half life 2

[cold sphinx]

No

The parasites and the virus

Keeps the host alive in a berserker state

Remember

Berserk

Not hunger driven like zombies

[eternal talon]

Never seen it

[cold sphinx]

No like literally rage

Not the comic

[eternal talon]

It's not zombies at all.

The parasite doesn't kill you, it hijacks your body and puppets you.
The host doesn't die, they just lose control

Depending on the level of mutations, they may or may not lose levels of consciousness or their senses

With stuff like snatchers having more of the brain intact so the person inside is probably more aware than say a striker, where it is pretty much only the brain stem

Idk where you got the 28 days later rage virus idea from

[cold sphinx]

Symptoms

On R6A1

Alt

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, some mayan headdresses or spears or something could've been cool.

I suspected that the sleepers skin got darker the further you go down, all the way to the shadow versions, which are very deep. But nothing confirmed...

[fossil kernel]

i wanted to see the tunnels of the ship

maybe see some truly ancient sleepers

hey does the lore doc has some details on how the mutation into sleepers work?

i remember reading it like 2 years ago

[drowsy roost]

There's a audio log where a patient become a sleeper — but it sounds like it starts with paranoia, light and sound sensitivity, hallucinations, feelings of insects/itchy skin, then I'm assuming something grows out of you in the later stages.

[fossil kernel]

i seee

[drowsy roost]

Oh and the hunchbacks — the spinal deformations.

Hence why it was called "the stoops"

[drowsy roost]

ALT//r6: ALT//WRDN learns of OG//WRDN's demise at the hands of Schaeffer & Henriksson so plans to get rid of them by sending them away to an unknown worldline -- lying saying that it is the clean one described in the ALT//Durant logs.
Reading the dummy doc — where is that implied? (haven't replayed R6 in a while, but I don't recall the warden specifically being that intentional)

[drowsy roost]

Also, Unit 22/23, where did they get their names? It's only referenced as Conduit in the logs?

[lilac island]

so namv is actually the 5th installment of nam

'nam. Creating nightmares since 1955

[harsh saffron]

In Og r6dx, we are sent to check on the status of "Unit 22" and Alt R6 Cx has us checking on the status of "Unit 27"

In the objective stack

[drowsy roost]

Amazing, cheers!

[harsh saffron]

np ^^

[drowsy roost]

Adding to the wiki

[eternal talon]

it does not.

[eternal talon]

i dont think we have a list of symptoms for the parasite, just the virus

[eternal talon]

**D-Lock Block: unauthorized access... logging

WRDN: override

ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS

Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...

ready:

authorized…

connecting...

\Root?

\Root\RETURN query “Alt” -root -lang -all -dict

Queries found (2)…

'''Alternate (noun, abbreviation)'''
A substitute designated to take the place of another.
A replacement of equal or greater value.

'''Alteration (noun, abbreviation)'''
A modification or adjustment of something, usually to improve suitability for a particular task or experience.**

(warden looking into alt//)

**D-Lock Block: unauthorized access... logging
WRDN: override
ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...
ready:_
authorized…
connecting...
\\Root\?_
\\Root\RETURN NAVDATA QUAD: Z30-Q2631A
Scrubbing KDS database...
Quad found.
Objective stack updated 2063.04.14.03.24.37
Fetching NavData…
Fetching...
NavData located
LAST KNOWN LOCATION
Zone_32 Area D
History:
Zone_30 Area A
Zone_31 Area C
Zone_32 Area A
Zone_32 Area C
Reading BioSigs…

Quad resources: Schaeffer T-3894 / Allen GO-0085 / Cobb O-2038 / Elliott O-1095

Reading current stack execution...
T-3894 status: Combat / GO-0085 status: Evac / O-2038 status: Evac / O-1095 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
ZONE_32 Area D
Aggressive biomass detected...
Reading current stack execution...
T-3894 status: Evac / GO-0085 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND/ O-2038 status: Evac / O-1095 status: RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Reading current stack execution...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Recall override...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Pinging...
RESOURCE NOT FOUND
Enquiring...
Status unknown. Resource lost.
Updating KDS database...**

(warden looking into schaeffer breaking free in alt//r2, before he actually does in r4 in both main worldlines)

This is not a coincidence. Warden targeted Biocom specifically because of the influence it has. But Warden is not programmed like anything else on the Biocom network. Warden code is… unique. It shouldn't work but somehow it does. Maybe… maybe it's actually working somewhere else and I'm just reading an output log from that other system. When it encounters something it doesn't understand, it suddenly has a new method that learns and assimilates the system. That method is being developed somewhere, but… it's not on this network, or at least, I cannot find it. Also, there are several instances where Warden has attempted to communicate directly with the mercenaries, which is way beyond the scope of Biocom! There is a subroutine in the Warden logs called conduit, which has been trying to communicate with the mercenaries, but it's been killed every time. Then the program runs again, and it gets killed again, either by the mercenaries or the creatures. But some intelligence is driving this. It is not AI. As smart as the Warden program seems to be, it has agency and purpose and is flexible. Right now it's currently extracting genome data from an internal database called RISE, and also opening up a path to KDS Deep. I need to think on it.

(Interesting log but doesnt really cover much about the topic at hand)

[drowsy roost]

Yes — that part seems to be about the Units/Conduit

[eternal talon]

PCS alert: unauthorized access logged
Date: 06182063
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
ready:_
fetching GLM database...
compiling database...
29,488,102 entries found
validating files...
sequencing (1/29483612)...
sequence 349YY2d4R67Vz complete
uploading files...
...
WRDN: override
ready:_
conduit_assimilate(349YY2d4R67Vz)
fetching sequence
learning...

{this has something to do with the conduit, but no idea what)

[drowsy roost]

^ I'm assuming the cloning process

[eternal talon]

he Warden has given me access to it's internal database. It's... massive. There's so much in here. Navigation data to times and places we can't even imagine, event logs going back millennia... eons! There are zoological entries, millions of them; I think this is the Collection the clone was talking about. Extraordinary. The Warden's understanding of time and space are so far beyond ours, but, with these files, and the research Project Insight logged for the E-F-Zero-One expedition, I think I have enough to control the Matter Wave Projector. Get it to me. Check your status for the shuttlebox location.

(this log talks explicitly about it having data from other worldlines)

[drowsy roost]

Yes, I'm just not sure how you connected the dots to to get to:

ALT//WRDN learns of OG//WRDN's demise at the hands of Schaeffer & Henriksson so plans to get rid of them by sending them away to an unknown worldline

[eternal talon]

**WRDN: override
authorized…
connecting...
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...
synchronizing...
current time: 14:32:13 06:13:57
idle time: 199 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes, 13 seconds
ready:_
\Root?_
\Root\location data\triangulate\event(unauthorized_access_01ZY33d2)
triangulating...
location established
Initiating bioscan...
12 entities found
assigning resources...

quad B452 assigned: Bishop GO-1395/ Woods F-2056/ Hackett O-4711/ Dauda T-3701

\Root?_
\Root\resources\lib\format
formating resources...
validating stack...
stack is empty.
\Root\resources\ops\stack_update
updating...
GO-1395 status: Seek and Destroy / F-2056 status: Seek and Destroy / O-4711status: Seek and Destroy / T-3701 status: Seek and Destroy
executing mission...**

og squad and alt = 8
schaeffers = 2
henri = 1

11/12... who is the last entity alive down here?

[drowsy roost]

Isn't that log about how the prisoner's were tasked with killing the Daylight Mission team?

[eternal talon]

thats more extrapolating on the fact it has data from other worldlines and given its sudden and complete change in the handling of schaeffer about the same time as in the og worldline, that it must have found out what happened and took measures to attempt to prevent it

[eternal talon]

maybe, im not sure.

06:13:57 if this is in the date, that'd be long before present time.

[drowsy roost]

It makes sense if it were — you have "12 entities" who are attempting to access BIOCOM, and a quad is sent on a search and destory mission. Then you have the voice logs from the Daylight Misson as they attempt to breach BIOCOM, and are killed by a quad.

[eternal talon]

and in regards to getting rid of them, thats based on the talk we had the other day regarding the datasphere and the coords from insight labs.

[drowsy roost]

Current time I'm guessing is local and UTC/GMT...

[eternal talon]

the degaussing and downloading of new coords

i still think it is very sketchy. we know for a fact their goal is a worldline 100% infested, so want the humans to leave, but it'd be a billion times easier to just get them killed instead.

it cant remotely control schaeffer because his chip is disabled, so its only option would be to trick him

that is my reasoning.

[eternal talon]

(ignore the fact it says specimen not unit, this was before they patched it on day 1 r6ex release)
the mission intel in r7a1 also is literally called unit 23

the board in schaeffer's hideout was also wrong on r6ex relase an was later fixed to un-cross-out maddox' name because he hadnt died yet

[drowsy roost]

I mean, I understand your reasoning. But as you say, its extrapolation since the motivations of the collector's isn't really clear — beyond collecting the virus. Why they decide to help humanity leave if they goal was to spread the virus, isn't clear. Unless, as is possible, in the ending the team also spread the virus to EFO1...

But it feels like, if you are this near-omnipotent alien race, who can travel the universe and dimensions... spreading the virus would be trivial. You don't need humans for that.

[eternal talon]

which is my point.

idk. im just trying to make work what little information we have.
i really really really dont want to be misinforming people, though.

i take the story very seriously as my hobby.

[drowsy roost]

I guess that's why I asked, I went trying to find a log/gameplay to back it up and couldn't.

[eternal talon]

a lot of stuff is left for us to figure it out. 10cc doesnt say much.

they leave a lot up to interpretation or unanswered

intentionally, or not

[eternal talon]

i posted a couple regarding warden having the intel to know that, its moreso theorizing on the most probable motive

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, perhaps its better placed in a "probable motive of the collectors/warden" section, since the warden has done many things which are counter-intuitive if its goals were to save/destory humanity.

[eternal talon]

with what little we have of its motives/goals, we kinda just have to take what it says at face value

Schaeffer
Did you "collect" those creatures?
Conduit
Yes. They are the Collection. They are impure. We have been in exile for 2-point zero-6-6-3-8-8-8-5-2 times 10 to the power 15 Seconds. We have been waiting.
Schaeffer
For what?
Conduit
In this membrane, a resolution has been determined.
Schaeffer
A resolution to what?
Conduit
Conclusion: the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.
Schaeffer
This membrane? But, outside of this place, this facility, there may be people working on a cure--
Conduit
96.35% of humans in this membrane are impure. The virus is the primary life force. The humans must leave.
Schaeffer
How?
Conduit
A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, its the "story exposition" log

[eternal talon]

like, the entire original plotline with the gemome database in r6 was dropped because of schaeffer's rebellion and we never got clarification or figured out what it was about

like some collector objective that 10cc forgot

[drowsy roost]

I'm unclear as to whether the collectors are collecting the virus, or an ark of sorts, and are collecting specimens of creatures that are uninfected.

i.e. why the collection is complete if humanity leaves. And not, say, everyone is infected.

[eternal talon]

they say they collect the creatures, and that they are "the collection", that they are "impure".
they have been waiting for a long time in exile and determined a resolution in this specific worldline.
the collection (the sleepers) cannot be completed (not everything can be turned).
96.35% of remaining humans in that membrame are impure (sleepers), so the humans must leave.
they want us to leave with the mwp, then destroy the projector. with us gone, the collection will be complete (no more uninfected left)

.
the log has a really roundabout way of saying it.

but what i dont get is how the ~8,000 (estimate) ksos in that one vault and our squad of four are 3.65% of all remaining life on the planet.

nam-v really must have killed fucking EVERYTHING

sort of like how destination ended up

[drowsy roost]

I suppose it is possible that pockets of humanity exists on the surface. Very very small groups.

[eternal talon]

a dead wasteland of nothing but a few reslilient plants that dont need animals to spread

[eternal talon]

well yeah, but us teleporting wouldnt fix that.

it still would not be complete

because those few pockets would be uninfected

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, exactly. Just weird gaps like that...

[eternal talon]

so statistically speaking, they are saying we are ALL that is left

which is kinda impossible if you think about it

humans are like roaches. its damn near impossible to kill us all off

you'd always have that one guy in a bunker for 20 years somewhere -- a thousand times over

and its only been half a decade since the world collapsed

er at least since garganta fell

[drowsy roost]

If 8,000 KSOs are the only uninfected, at 3.65%, that means there are 219,100~ infected floating around... Which I guess could include staff within the facility and on the planet.

[eternal talon]

you will find tons of holes in the story if you look for them.
thats why i think the "lying to schaeffer" thing is the most likely with what info we have. we know only a few things for certain.

1. it wants all uninfected fauna gone
2. it cant control schaeffer because his chip was disabled

one of the most notorious plot holes is the aptly named "Schaeffer Discrepancy"
where he breaks free from the warden in r4 but the warden wouldn't have access to put him in a squad until r5.

since from the collapse he was stuck in kds-deep and caused the very lockdown we spent all r5 breaching

[drowsy roost]

Why wouldn't the warden have access to KDS Deep?

I assume he was in a squad pretty much from when he entered the HSU until his squad was killed and he managed to break out of the conditioning.

[crisp citrus]

Is there a log saying Schaeffer was in kds deep until post r5

[eternal talon]

yes, a couple audio logs in fact

from r6ex

detailing his final days before hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

because the point of r5e1 is getting the warden access.

thats what all the objectives say iirc

warden wanted more soldiers

[coral gorge]

also frosty regarding the whole thing of - did the warden try to trick ALT team into warping to an infected world, as it seems thats what you believe? When i really dont see any evidence suggesting that it would do that

[eternal talon]

HearSay on. Um... I made it to KDS Deep. I didn't know what I was gonna say to the KSOs when I got here, but, they're all gone. They're not dead, they're in hydrostasis. There's thousands of them and I can't... I don't know how to wake them up. There's a terminal here but it's that BIOCOM thing and I don't know how that works. I mean, FUCK, weren't they here to protect us? It's been... seven days? Maybe more, I don't know. I still haven't eaten. When I got here, I – I'm a fucking idiot. I closed the door so they wouldn't find me and now I can't get it open. I'm stuck in here, and I'm going to starve to death. I'm so tired. I think... I think I have to get into one of those pods. Oh, fucking hell. I know what these do to you, everyone fucking knows, it's no secret. If someone ever comes to get me out, it won't be me anymore. But, fuck, I'm not going to starve to death. Fuck it. I hope you made it, Art.

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily the alt team, schaeffer.

[coral gorge]

same thing, but yeah i dony really see any evidence for it

[eternal talon]

so counterpoint, do you think the warden is just doing this out of the kindness of their hearts?

[drowsy roost]

It can be neither.

[eternal talon]

we are worth less than dirt to the warden, we know that because it literally has killed thousands of us as expendable muscle

[coral gorge]

No, i am well aware the warden is fully capable of fucking us up and defo has some reason why it wants to get rid of us

but i just dont think it tried to send us to an infected wordline

[coral gorge]

like especially since it seems like alt schafer believes we dont have the virus while we for 99% do

[eternal talon]

(also here are the heads i was talking about yesterday)

[eternal talon]

i dont see the point in it just going and infecting a new clean worldline though. it is already so close to exactly what it wants. It never really struck me as malevolent, just uncaring.

that clean worldline is a bystander in this

[coral gorge]

so i just dont think it had any reason to send us to an infected one

[coral gorge]

you could make a point Durants there

and that warden wants us to get rid of him

[eternal talon]

my thought is ala the original half life's bad ending. it just warps us to a worldline so infested they'd just immediately die and problem solved

"a fight you have no chance of winning"

[coral gorge]

but my main thing with it trying to send us to an already infected one is that it… didnt really try to do shit to get us to an infected wordline

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XlY5oGOiD4

[drowsy roost]

Isn't the point of R5E1 to start the "influx protocol," whatever that is...

[eternal talon]

well to be fair, *if it is trying to trick us, it would be a bad idea to make it obvious

[drowsy roost]

I guess it could be "influx of new KSOs"

[coral gorge]

and yet unless it somehow hacked Insight data base… which i guess is possible considering Durants in a wordline that was supposed to be not visited… but well if it didnt do that then all we did was get pure cords

[eternal talon]

iirc it was supposed to be an allegory for 1.0 release of gtfo and the arrival of tons of new people, and the introduction of cosmetics to make "your own kso"

what was the warden even doing in r8? wasnt it schaeffer giving us orders in the alt//half of r8?

how did he get control?

og schaeffer makes sense

but not alt

[coral gorge]

Alt warden supposedly sent some other KSOs to get the sphere with the Insight key (aka it didnt do shit)

so yeah the alt warden just kinda… told alt schafer the plan and refused to elaborate further

[eternal talon]

this gives me more questions.

how did schaeffer know to degauss the data cubes? did the warden tell him to do that? we have never done so before during any of our trips to destination or alternate earths

[coral gorge]

seems like thr warden told him about it

[eternal talon]

there has to be soemthing i am missing.

some weird outlier objective that doesnt make sense

[drowsy roost]

Assuming he is just reading about it, since he now has access to all the data - i.e. like how he discovered how to revive someone from a HSU

[eternal talon]

OG schaeffer did that just by flipping through a paper manual though. you hear him turn pages in the audio log

[drowsy roost]

I suspect then, yeah, information from the warden.

Since it's their tech, after all

[coral gorge]

I mean ALT schafer did know the location of thr coolant liquid storage for the reactor

he also perfectly knew what caused thr meltdown

which doesnt seem likr common knowledge to me

[eternal talon]

this one log also explains why the gardens tileset exists lol

[coral gorge]

Yeah its pretty cool

also doesnt schafer say in R8B2 that the warden told him about the degussing?

[eternal talon]

neither does reactor startup/shutdown but we do it as ksos pretty effortlessly

[eternal talon]

i dont remember.

[harsh saffron]

He figured it out on his own

We need to erase everything off those datacubes before we write new navigation components to them. Project Insight research indicates datacubes contain magnetized Cretasium platters and are susceptible to intense magnetic fields. That means a degausser should wipe all data on them. I've had the Warden drop you into a Material Refinery sector.

[drowsy roost]

Ah yes, good shout.

So again, the Warden is just kinda like "uh, can you leave?" and we did all the work.

[eternal talon]

he had the warden drop us? since when was he in charge?

[harsh saffron]

I mean, he works with the Warden so he probably just asked "him"

[pine agate]

Yeah, I mean he was also given access to like the whole warden database

[harsh saffron]

"Yo I figured out where to go next, can you drop these guys in a refinery next?"

[eternal talon]

why does hackett's face=blood?

[drowsy roost]

Does Schaeff not get control of warden in both wordlines?

[eternal talon]

not in alt//, no

alt skipped r7 entirely because alt//schaeffer was promised freedom and didnt kill the unit we spent r7 replacing and didnt cause the uprising we finished at the end of r7

[drowsy roost]

Oh right, of course. The hack of the Warden occurs in R7... and there's no ALT R7, so we assume it never happened in the ALT timeline.

So whatever happens in the R8 with the ALT characters, is assumed to be the Warden giving us access, where as the OG characters had forcefully gotten it.

[harsh saffron]

Yup

[drowsy roost]

Okay, so about the Schaeff not being available until we awake KDS Deep, I'm assuming it's just because there are multiple "storage areas" in KDS Deep

Since the command KDS-DEEP_CRISIS_OVERRIDEsays Synchronously awakens all available KSOs in KDS Deep 1 -- stands to reason there'll be others.

[eternal talon]

The area he describes matches the vault we go to though

And the other vault we go to has another way out through the portal room iirc

I forget the log quotes and I'm not at my computer rn

Iirc it was r6dx

That had it

[drowsy roost]

Hm, I am looking at the logs and there's no description which doesn't look like the other HSU storage areas we've seen previously.

Not to say it isn't a inconsistency in the plot, certainly a few already...

Given how huge it as, wouldn't be surprised if there's more than a few access points

Oh wow, just noticed that the logs are all dated in the game data, even if a date does not appear within the game itself. i.e. BBB-N12-LOW has no date, but in the data it's listed as LOG_06ALT_561202_02_V_ACH... 02/12/56...

... can file names in the game data be canon 😆

[harsh saffron]

Ngl im a little embarrassed I never realized that, legit just read it once and thought they were random numbers ^^

[eternal talon]

no, otherwise stuff like these, grenades, deployable cover, the nanoswarm, infection shooters, etc would be canon

[cold sphinx]

nanoswarm is in the game

[eternal talon]

they also started hiding log names in the code in r8 with a2's secondary because of people digging

[cold sphinx]

but it doesnt do anything

[eternal talon]

that is my point

[cold sphinx]

yeah

thats what im sayin

[drowsy roost]

I guess if it is not visible within the game, it's not canon.

[cold sphinx]

it is

[drowsy roost]

i.e. as intended, not through hacking it it?

[eternal talon]

???? no?

[cold sphinx]

but it is only acquired through dev console

[eternal talon]

then its not canon lol.

[cold sphinx]

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, "as the devs intended"

[eternal talon]

there is also over a hundred lines of dialogue that isnt in vanilla but is in the code innacessible

[cold sphinx]

/spawn nanoswarm 1

[harsh saffron]

brb gotta read every single log in the files and put them in a timeline, I should be back in about 3 weeks

[drowsy roost]

I wrote a script to extract everything as a JSON file, that file should help? 😆

[harsh saffron]

^^

nah but seriously could be interesting for a few logs to check if my head canon was correct about the timing of some things

[drowsy roost]

This is every log in the current version of the game

Including the 000 log, which is why its 5mb 🙄

[eternal talon]

please dont post that here

im pretty sure raw DBs is too far

[drowsy roost]

Too far from what?

[eternal talon]

i know the mods really dont like people posting raw stuff from the code in the server and others have gotten in trouble before

i think they changed the #rules at some point because i dont see the exact line anymore, but it was pretty much exclusively restricted to the #wiki-chat team so they could work on the wiki

<@&408548765599793173> we might need some clarification if that rule is still in effect

[austere radish]

I was under the impression they laxxed those rules, since it wasn't really doing any harm

[eternal talon]

i havent heard of this and really dont know

last i knew it was still actively moderated

[drowsy roost]

It's not game content in the strictest sense, since its parsed and processed into a new format... but yes, happy to delete if it is against the rules.

[eternal talon]

i guess the only real thing to do is wait and see if the mods stop by

[eternal talon]

wait a minute, this cant possibly be every log in the game. there are 200+

[drowsy roost]

There's 191 records in that JSON file...

Doesn't include voice-overs and things that are triggered by moving around the zones, just what's on the terminals.

[eternal talon]

how many were exclusive to the santonian website +1 for the email log?

[frail pollen]

for like an actual official answer, you need to ask Calle. but for a quick note, I don't see any issue with using the datablocks/extracting the content of a log so it's easier to use since there's no other way in-game to grab the content of the text aside from manually transcribing or like OCR.

The internal names of stuff that we don't show to players shouldn't be used. So use "209-K3R-5TV" instead of "Log_07a_640108_01_v_ACH" as the latter "Log_07a_640108_01_v_ACH" doesn't have anything canon, it's just internal designations.

[drowsy roost]

Good question - I was going to write some code to group logs across all three sources. But y'know, Christmas, etc. I think the santonianindustries.com website content is basically the same as the OG timeline, with some formatting differences, on a preliminary look.

[drowsy roost]

Excellent, thanks for the info.

OCR is kind of why I went spelunking in game data the first place, I was uploading the R8 logs to the wiki and OCR tools really failed at the monospace font

[honest summit]

Why the hell did i just stealth through the pablo room just to read about the Mr Truths Summer job experience?

No way its somehow related to the lore

[cunning light]

It is such a cursed room to sneak through ; I loved it :)

I almost wished they would have kept the locker with the key to the next Security Door in there

[honest summit]

Just beat the entire mission while pablo is chasing you

[drowsy roost]

I assumed it was a joke... I can't believe people actually attempted that room for real.

[royal crow]

[past matrix]

i mean it's a completely different situation

it's different to add a sleeper codenamed "squid" vs having cut content

one is cut and one isn't lmao

still though yeah no file names aren't canon (isnt the kraken called squidward or something)

[lost drum]

I went through the R8, read all the logs. It seems to be the only Rundown that has more plot than the logs of that same Rundown. Basically just about the deaths of all the major characters whose story was revealed in the logs (Stokes, Mr. Truth, and so on). But I never got answers to a lot of questions: who are the Warden aliens, what else is in the ship at the bottom of the Comlpex (No mention of that at all?). The main question that torments me is: what was it all about? Did all those countless quests lead to anything, or did we just blow everything up and run away? Has anyone written an explanation of the lore of Rundown 8?

And it's a shame we never got down deeper than R7E1.

[eternal talon]

To be fair we didn't even really run away, since we brought the virus with us riding on either us or in the wreck of KDS-DEEP. The entire game was pointless, we die in the end anyway despite all efforts.

We never (successfully) gtfo

(Unless you just mean of just garganta, and not the entire thing we were escaping from)

We only gtfo on a technicality if you consider it as that.

[eternal talon]

In regard to the warden aliens, the collectors, we only really got stuff in alt//r6.

They are in exile, they collect the virus, they want a worldline with only the virus, they want us gone so they can do that

(Yes that contradicts everything as they could just send us into an e tier with no weapons against like 7 tanks or something)

[lost drum]

It doesn't make any sense. Why then do the Warden (Aliens), call us prisoners (like Schaeffer in D2)? Why are we doing all these missions? What was the purpose? What answers did we get in R8? I didn't understand any of it.

[eternal talon]

No, nobody has written a summary of r8 story

[eternal talon]

I really wonder if they had planned to have a playable inner but scrapped it at some point because it was deemed too complicated.

[eternal talon]

Iirc we came up with the term prisonners

[eternal talon]

The purpose is to get a 100% infected worldline.

We didn't get any answers in that regard in r8 lol

Just us leaving after continued fighting between the schaeffers

At most r8 doubled down on the worldline merging thing that was initially introduced with the memories thing at the start of alt//, but not much beyond that

[lost drum]

I think I understood what the developers meant when they said that "We will complete the storyline of the main characters (Bishop, Hackett and others)". They weren't planning on wrapping up the GTFO storyline. Why? Was the story not ready, or are they planning a sequel?

It will remain a mystery to me

[cobalt mulch]

the world (all the worlds) are lost and doomed, hard to believe there's a story left

[lost drum]

The multiverse is infinite. They can make another version of the Complex that managed to contain the virus, and they successfully explore the alt dimensions. A new game in the GTFO universe may have an independent title, and only indirectly be related to the first installment. The universe has potential

[cobalt mulch]

the world lines started merging and collapsing as "we" started abusing the matter wave projector

r8 saw garganta rooms with inverted gravity and areas flipped on themselves etc

[lost drum]

As far as I know, it only affected two dimensions (OG and ALT)

[cobalt mulch]

don't get me wrong, i'm definitely hoping for more gtfo content but the narrative has been so bleak so .. .. hopeless

[coral gorge]

I mean… R8s wordline seems to have had atleast a dozen diffrent ones collapse into it

[lost drum]

I don't think it would be a problem to make corrections. We don't know about the existence of other dimensions yet. The developers can start talking about them in the next game

[warm root]

You can identify multiple dead teams when exploring R8. It's not just og and alt merging together

[coral gorge]

plus whatever the fuck happens in R8B2

[lost drum]

I've heard of the theory that Project Rise created endless copies of the main characters - Hackett, Woods, Dauda, Bishop. Is that true or not?

Or that Alt Schaeffer was created that way. I don't understand these theories, just heard something like that.

[coral gorge]

Pretty much impossible

RISE never copied humans

it made artifical human like beings from scratch

plus it never became advanced enough to make a unit last more than like a day

nor give it actual inteligence

seems like a theory from someone who really doesnt wanna believe in multiple wordlines

[lost drum]

There are too many unanswered questions in the GTFO story. It's really sad, I've been following the storyline of this game.

[coral gorge]

Yeah the lore does leave a lot to the intepretation

but maybe its better that way

You can believe what you want in terms of many things, and really i doubt they could have given answers that would have satisfied everyone

[lost drum]

I often read plot logs to this playlist of soundtracks from GTFO: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR0IDM31ZBoOXLn2Xsi1oMHB64bIf748h&si=P8d5yzZ7kH0EDUia

It's like whoever wrote this music knew in advance that it would be perfect for all the subsequent Rundown. Genius

[cobalt mulch]

earlier today watching the twitch 10cc "stream soon starting" with the exploration themes and whatnot playing in the background .. .. man the ambience and foreboding is good

[eternal talon]

OwO wtf is this

[drowsy roost]

Nothing in the logs to support that theory.

Could someone do me a huge favour and look into R7C2 for D3T-INI-FNI? It's on the wiki but no longer in the game data, and I wonder if I've just missed something or if they've removed the log?

Scrap that, found it. 🙄

[eternal talon]

Do you have the schaeffer's employment email?

(And by email I mean email email. That and the santonian website logs were never in the game so you wouldn't be able to find them in the code)

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I wrote a script to dump the logs from the website, so the ones on the wiki are exactly as on the santonian website.

Just bad scripting -- I missed logs that are on terminals in other dimensions... Wiki is accurate 👍

[eternal talon]

The email itself was just a big png with two different versions. One sent out via email to embassadors and one found on the website via hidden link

[eternal talon]

Also idk if it's relevant or if they ever did it in vanilla, but you can write a log for a terminal without using the text DB. You can just use "" for log content in the LevelLayout

But given how 10cc love their reference IDs, they probably didnt.

[drowsy roost]

I think for localisation, everything is now a text block...

But good shout, wonder if anything legacy is lying about...

[lost drum]

Destination concept art for the R6

[fading heath]

I want to call it The Pablo universe

[clear shale]

???? what this

[lost drum]

I hope I have the rights to post it here. There's just a lot of stuff in there among the concepts - snatcher concepts, gardens from R7, all look really cool. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJwWrm

I'd like to believe something like this is waiting for us in the next installment in the GTFO universe (if there is one)

[clear shale]

damn ok

R7 concept art looks... different to the rest of GTFO

[red oasis]

robert

[wary portal]

Gtfo dlc

But you play as the daylight mission or the EF01 expedition

@lost drum i completly agree with everything you said and also feel that way

To me its a poor excuse of devs just rushing and wanting to finish up the game since they want to focus on their new game now

It thats why r8 feels like its going "fast" lore wise and leaves with a lot of questions

[cold sphinx]

Nah GTFO hidden level update

You must jump down a big shaft

And it makes a whole new loading animation

[wary portal]

Eyo

[drowsy roost]

I'm fairly sure it's not explained — but was there anything anywhere which hinted at what the large biomass on the ceiling?

[lilac island]

well

we know it's connected to chargers

sort of like a charger hive

its made of a simlar material

i have no idea what is going on with the whole biomass thing in general to be honest

why does namv decide to spawn human shaped monsters

it has created this incredibly massive inexhaustible ball of flesh

and it just.. spawns sleepers? instead of some kind of eldrich horror

also i can't tell if killing sleepers actually does something

do they just disintegrate and rejoin the biomass, so nothing we do really matters when it comes to sleepers

there are infinite

[short oxide]

Reading GTFO lore really feels like a rollercoaster

It bounces from "HYPE" to "...really?" every other thing I read

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, its a fun exercise in trying to piece together everything — and for the most part — is pretty well written in terms of detail but brevity.

[lilac island]

to me

i need some 200 iq guy to just compile all the lore into 1 massive ultra guide

because it's not possible for 1 human to figure this out without making a mistake

[drowsy roost]

I feel its because it's like dozens of concurrent narratives, and many that go unresolved, instead of one story with some side plots or arcs.

[lilac island]

yeah it's just too much

[drowsy roost]

The guide attached to this channel is a good place to start

[lilac island]

i know

i've read it

[clear furnace]

I feel like theres too many just mundane logs that dont matter all that much, do we wish we got more details on the biomass, sleepers etc. But hey game is finished so whatevs

[drowsy roost]

I found most logs are pretty intentional, or good for world-building...

But yeah, unanswered questions.

[vivid sable]

My impression of Nam-V is that it’s cosmic horror in the sense that nearly every dimension has somehow found it spreading across Earth, destroying nearly all life not enthralled by it with the parasite.
Honestly, I’d imagine some sort of intelligence created by the symbiotic relationship the parasite and the virus have with each other, and how it seems to be connected across dimensions.

Also hi! I’ve lurked here for a bit.

[lilac island]

hey

[eternal talon]

Hi

[coral gorge]

What is this

why do we have random greetings

[cobalt mulch]

what if the first forays into matterwave stuff by any world line kickstarted the process for every one of them? earthquake, iridium, digsite, cretasium, greed, digging too deep, unleashing namv.. ..

[eternal talon]

Do you mean by the humans, or the collectors?

[cobalt mulch]

humans, first line to activate the projector, ripples out..

[drowsy roost]

Probably whatever caused the ship to crash in the first place unleashed nam-v

[crisp citrus]

if r7 had these huge ass structures

would be so sick

[plush sigil]

I always assumed they were spawning/breeding sites for the parasites, that goes with the whole "the tongue in Sleepers/the worm in artifacts IS the parasite" theory, since:
The biomass has the texture of a lot of small worms, and it glows and pulsates like the Sleeper tongues do. Would also explain why Chargers are so aggressive since presumably they are protecting the spawning ground. I mean it LITERALLY looks exactly like a Tubifex worm colony does irl lol...

Now that the game is "over" and we aren't getting any more lore, can one of the devs please please tell us if that one audio file no one could decipher actually means anything

or was it all a wild goose chase and never meant anything except "wow spooky noise"

[drowsy roost]

The weird growling noises?

[plush sigil]

Yeah the whale noise

[drowsy roost]

3NY-798-65Y?

[plush sigil]

Yup

Thats the one

Also I wish people would stop repeating the whole "The aliens collect the virus" stuff, it's based off of one line nested between a ton of incoherent english from a creature that can barely speak it and barely makes sense and ignores several other logs where it clearly CLEARLY hints the Aliens travel through dimensions collecting other aliens, NOT the virus or SLEEPERS.

LITERALLY in the same rundown Shaeffer says "There are zoological entries, millions of them; I think this is the Collection the clone was talking about. "

Which ties back to an original Rundown 7 log where Hammerstein mentions they are finding tons of different biologically distinct aliens in the inner, who aside from what is hinted to be sleeper mutations are all wildly different.

I mean its never bluntly stated but it always seemed super obvious to me that the aliens accidentally picked up something carrying the virus and basically everything on their ship got infected including themselves and they crashed on Earth because of it.

That same R7 log hints at this too when it states that none of the physical artifacts they have found seem like they were designed or intended to be used by any of the creatures they had found in the inner so far.

[drowsy roost]

I really do think that's up to interpretation. It was really a lot of exposition for a single log. Whilst it would certainly be neater all around if it was just a space menagerie that happened ALSO find the virus, timelines would imply the virus was always down there...

Unless virus infected the crew, they crashed, buried under earth, we unlocked it... How creatures can survive for 65 million years though 🤷

Guessing if you can travel dimensions, you have that problem sorted.

[plush sigil]

Because they're infected and the infection makes them functionally immortal

[drowsy roost]

The creatures are infected?

[plush sigil]

"This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments, though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share."

From the Hammerstein log ^

They have Sleeper mutations which hints that they are infected

They also mention they are sensitive to noise like the Sleepers

[drowsy roost]

Indeed, I'm not disagree that they're a collection of creatures by the collectors that were on the ship when it crashed -- what is vague is whether the creatures were collected because they were infected. Not they were collected then became infected at some stage after the crash.

Hmm, I suspected the signal we hearing in 3NY-798-65Y is what Hammerstein was blasting in the lower levels of Garganta in his experiments... but the signal predates that log by a year, so guess not.

[plush sigil]

That is true, but also it ignores the fact that the Aliens/Warden were trying to stop people from venturing to the inner (via the log where they changed a KSO's stack and made him warn the scientists he was escorting to "Stop Project Insight") and the whole "collection is impure" line, which you can infer means the aliens/warden thought infection being released into humanity = bad

[drowsy roost]

Which log was that?

[plush sigil]

Lemme find it

4AK-KPG-6BE
"An operative told the scientist they were guarding that Project Insight "you must stop". The scientist asked the KSO to repeat the statement, but the KSO ignored him and resumed its patrol."

This is from the log where they are concerned that something is messing with Biocom objective stacks

This ties to log CVB-SK5-F71 where:
"So, I took it upon myself to conduct a physical inspection of our FO network, and have found something I can't explain. In several locations (schematics attached) the optical cables have somehow enmeshed with the surrounding rock. I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? Whatever it is, it is enmeshing itself with the BIOCOM network infrastructure"
Which can be inferred to be the aliens starting to mess with Biocom

[drowsy roost]

Oh that's cool, I must've missed that. That would strong imply the aliens are tying to stop humans from going into the inner.

[drowsy roost]

Indeed, and likely how they got the warden in, in the first place.

[plush sigil]

YEP. Thats why the whole "the aliens collect the virus and wanted to infect humanity!" stuff I see repeated annoys me, it ignores several older logs and is based off 1 log and only makes sense if you take the dialogue at face value when the rest of the log clearly shows the Conduit can barely speak coherent English.

It also ignores in the same log the lines that precede what he says which in full is "Planes. Spheres. Phases. Dimensions. Universes. We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure."

To me I interpreted it as the Conduit trying to say "We collected creatures, but then we collected the virus (by accident), the collection is now impure."

Not to mean they literally collect the virus specifically and that this is all some crazy ass scheme to collect sleepers.

Which additionally makes even less sense since they clearly fired that giant fuck off laser beam at the sleepers (why would they kill off the thing they are trying to "collect"?)

And you can't say they were trying to fire off at the KSO's because the log goes through the trouble of additionally mentioning that the laser HELPED the KSO's push the Sleepers back into the Inner

And that specifically if not for the laser they would have been fucked

[eternal talon]

They aren't worms. The class they are in "parasitidae" are mites, so think short round six legged fuckers that ride home with you on your clothing -- only bigger given the size of the eggs

[drowsy roost]

This makes sense if the aliens don't understand tense. Everything is present tense. So I think you are on to something --
"We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure."
"We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collected the virus. The Collection is [now] impure."

[eternal talon]

Copium

[plush sigil]

I never noticed the class specifically refers to mites, neat. I'm annoyed the parasites are basically never described in any logs...

[eternal talon]

Don't forget they would also be vulnerable to infection so it could have been made for self defense in case it ever got out but malfunctioned and only triggered by Hammerstein's sound experiment (the very same day in lore so hardly seems like a coincidence)

[eternal talon]

The log also says they weren't sure if it was aiming for the sleepers or them, but regardless of intention it did end up working out for them

[eternal talon]

Punch-through or something else DID end up killing Clinton in his aircraft hangar

[eternal talon]

(I'm not saying it was targeting the KSOs, just that it wasn't so night and day. There were significant human losses too)

[eternal talon]

Iirc we have a couple on the infection process but not descriptions of them themselves

Stuff like crawling into their skin and such

I think the two I'm thinking of are actually audio logs aswell

[plush sigil]

Sad we will never get an Inner level

Instead we are left forever speculating based on scraps lol

[drowsy roost]

I think you are going through the 5 stages of GTFO Lore like we all do 😆

[eternal talon]

I will admit this is a theory I had never thought of or considered before and it seems at first glance plausible, but it does bring into question why they would be exiled then if they weren't doing shady shit with a universe destroying bioweapon

(And we do know it is a bioweapon given dauda's research)

They didn't just find it.

A little outside of Canon here, but our IRL biologist Beanz verified that it would be entirely impossible to have occurred naturally given its attack strategy

So while this does answer some questions, it just gives more that would need to be answered for it to be considered true

[drowsy roost]

Could be the ship was infected, they didn't want to risk infection, so they crashed it. Or even, it was infected and then lost control and crashed. Humans wouldn't arive on the planet for millions of years...

[plush sigil]

This is based off taking the "We have been in exile" line at face value and not as "alien who cannot speak English trying to tell us they've been stuck here since the dinosaurs"

[eternal talon]

Why would you store a bioweapon on a ship meant to archive life? That seems like an exceedingly horrid idea

[eternal talon]

If humans can make use of the matter wave projector, why couldn't they, the ones who created it, use it to call triple A?

[plush sigil]

I wonder the same LOL

R8 shows they can teleport big chunks not just little things

[drowsy roost]

Risk the virus travelling further?

[eternal talon]

I'm just saying your theory is damn good, but has some holes.

[plush sigil]

Why can't they just poof the ship out...

Yeah unfortunately the game has a lot of damn holes

[drowsy roost]

I think it's just as plausable as "they are collecting the virus"

Both are possibilities.

[eternal talon]

So from the get-go, a lot of what we know is taken from face value stuff

Because that's just unfortunately how 10cc decided to tell their story

It's all..... Hearsay 🥁

[plush sigil]

This is 100% speculation on my part but I really feel like the dev team was split on having a story as part of the game or not (ie why they kept randomly deleting character and story dialogue in rundowns) and that around R7 the story side started winning out but it was already too late because now its Den of Wolves time LOL

[drowsy roost]

I think its more likely they were a small team that built out game mechanics first, then once they got the core gameplay experience, tone and setting established, attempted to inject some narrative into it.

And just hit the end of the game dev lifecycle before it could be fully flushed out...

[drowsy roost]

Need to fix and tidy the references, but added both theories to the wiki: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/The_Collectors

[eternal talon]

utilizing the cloning facilities of the failed Rise program,

Rise isn't cloning. It's entirely biological using human "seeds".
One of the logs (I forget which), mentions in the context of rise "not clones..."

[plush sigil]

LUM-3SS-6ZN

^ thats the one that mentions its not clones

[drowsy roost]

Not sure I agree. Just because they're called "seeds" doesn't mean they're not clones

Schaeffer calls them clones in FFW-HYY-6FL

[eternal talon]

No I meant it literally says "not clones"

Word for word. Like, that was an actual quote

By someone working on rise

Schaeffer worked for santonian, he wouldn't know. And to be fair, seeing that one infamous r4 tank room, they do kinda look like clones

[drowsy roost]

LUM-3SS-6ZN doesn't have the word "clone" in it

Just seeds

[eternal talon]

I need help, I'm on my phone so can't CTRL+F search

Use the word "clones". I think the log was somewhere r4-r7

In og

[drowsy roost]

HPF-4NP-UNK in OG 6.0 has the line "... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…"

[eternal talon]

I'm certain of this

[eternal talon]

Yes

That

[drowsy roost]

What are they if not clones?

Beacuse we have one log saying they are, and another saying they're not.

[burnt wren]

Clones imply being a copypaste of someone else

[drowsy roost]

Of someone's genetic information.

[burnt wren]

Units are made from scratch, no template

...which is frankly a way harder task and i don't understand why they did that, but alright.

[drowsy roost]

Right, so we're saying a clone must be a copy of someone elses DNA, and what they're doing is genetic modification to create a super soldier kinda deal

But I mean, what other word is there but clone? Like I agree with the concept here, but we'll need a comparable term

[burnt wren]

Doesn't use someone else's DNA - not a clone, by definition.

[eternal talon]

Mutants. They took what is essentially sperm and eggs and grew them like lab babies with a shit ton of modifiers and gene splicing

[burnt wren]

They are anything but.

[drowsy roost]

It does use someone else's DNA. What do you mean? Rise has a huge genetic library, its mentioned in the log. That's gotta come from someone, likely, the existing operatives.

I've added the clarification as an note on the wiki. Since "clone" appears in a lot of places in the logs, it makes sense to use a term that people will be searching, and clarified for us die-hards.

[plush sigil]

Here are the references for the other stuff organized btw if you need them:

CVB-SK5-F71
Hints to aliens beginning to hijack Biocom
"found something I can't explain. In several locations (schematics attached) the optical cables have somehow enmeshed with the surrounding rock. I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? Whatever it is, it is enmeshing itself with the BIOCOM network infrastructure"

EBDT-44-WSX
Evidence of Biocom Objective stacks being changed, asking to stop Project Insight
"Last month we had two issues with the objective stack which seem to come directly from Biocom...An operative told the scientist they were guarding that Project Insight “you must stop”. The scientist asked the KSO to repeat the statement, but the KSO ignored him and resumed its patrol."

QSW-EQW-S99
Hammerstein exposition on inner being full of biologically distinct aliens from differing origins with signs of mutations (infection).
"This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments,
though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share. There is no indication that the artifacts and
objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is still a mystery...but they come from different places. Different planets? Universes?..."

834-786-872
Log on how the parasite and virus are heavily related and how the mutations (referenced in QSW-EQW-S99) are a hallmark of infection (in addition this log explains how the parasite is a intelligent social creature and that the virus and it potentially come from the same environment, lending credibility to the theory that the collectors may have collected the parasite as a specimen at some point not knowing how dangerous the virus it carries is and dooming themselves).
"...strains lead to mutations of the host to varying degrees, resulting in the physical deformities we see in some hosts. This is almost certainly the cause of at least some of the abominations that have been uncovered as excavations towards the Inner continue."

8AA-FEE-EDD
Conduits exposition on Alien backstory
"We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure."

A1 Voiceover #2 (R8)
Schaeffer commenting on the Wardens millions of Zoological entries, how this is probably "the collection".
"The Warden has given me access to it's internal database. It's... massive. There's so much in here. Navigation data to times and places we can't even imagine, event logs going back millennia... eons! There are zoological entries, millions of them; I think this is the Collection the clone was talking about. "

[eternal talon]

What about the dauda research logs where he ponders and talks about how the virus and the parasite weren't always symbiotic and that they encountered eachother at some point

Also him talking about it being a bioweapon would be good adds.

The infectivity in everything except the vacuum of space because there is literally nothing to transmit through (r7e1 log), etc

[drowsy roost]

Awesome, thanks @plush sigil!

Editing them in now.

[plush sigil]

The log I included kind of reiterates what Dauda said, I just left it out of my write up. But I think the Dauda log bit about the infectivity would be a good add too as it can add to the theory that there was a viral outbreak on the alien ship given how infectious it is. Could be that the aliens just severely underestimated it, especially if it had artificial origins. On top of that it includes the bit that mentions the virus makes the parasite (and presumably the host) live indefinitely which explains why the creatures were alive for eons down in the inner.

That log is :
60F-056-HNK
*"The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites, rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently unknown) period. Perhaps indefinitely.

The virus is remarkable. It appears to have been perfectly designed to infect regardless of the circumstance. When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks to draw blood and saliva. Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have not been able to perform yet is in a vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next week as soon as I receive new subjects from Mr. Piros."*

[finite vine]

I still think they probably found the virus. I mean it only makes sense, they collect species from different membranes, and NAM-V is probably so strong and deadly because it has mutated over thousands of different membranes

[drowsy roost]

My guess is that they are collecting specifically beacuse they know the virus exists... But their motives, who knows.

Maybe they like zoos

[finite vine]

honestly the whole ship crashing on earth does not make a lot of sense to me. especially because it crashed on thousands of earths in thousands of membranes. it seems kinda like the aliens intentionally crashed the ship on earth.

[plush sigil]

I think you are interpreting the membrane things incorrectly, in my opinion. Since in every explanation of how the MWP works in regards to membranes, they are not like

How do I put it into words

[finite vine]

membranes are parallel universes i thought

[plush sigil]

They aren't different worlds they are poofing into but rather alternate dimensions that are copies of the same one. The ship exists and crashes on all Earths because they are all mirrors of each other with slight differences.

This is referenced in logs where they mention that stuff projected with the MWP has the risk of getting smashed up with itself because it still exists in the dimension they are poofing to

[finite vine]

yea but for an interdimensional species that can travel between the membranes it seems unlikely that they would all crash a ship on earth thousands of times

[drowsy roost]

The crashed ship is probably the only thing not in doubt based on the lore... but it does raise a good question. Maybe 65 million years ago they were REALLY bad drivers.

[finite vine]

lmao

[plush sigil]

Hmmm, this is all heavy speculation because it's never really clearly explained but it seems to me that the event of them crashing on Earth is just a predetermined event that always happens. And the CRASH itself is caused by a viral outbreak on the ship.

[eternal talon]

If some random guy in Spain decided to not eat a salad on August 3rd 2010 that created a new worldline.

They are all branching out from the first one, whatever that may be

[finite vine]

that would explain it, but there is really no proof of that being the case

[unborn steppe]

I'm a lorelet that just read the collector entry on the wiki. So how did they survive the crash? How did they take control of the Warden? Is this stuff that we assume just happened?

[plush sigil]

Yep all heavy speculation. But you also have to consider: if they had the power to just undo the crash happening wouldn't they just undo finding the virus to begin with?

[eternal talon]

I remember that! That was the mayuri's death in steins gate. Fuck, I forget what it was called, but there is a term for it in worldline theory!

[plush sigil]

"So how did they survive the crash?"
Never explained
"How did they take control of the Warden?"
Hinted at in the log I posted above"
"Is this stuff that we assume just happened?"
It's theories based on logs ingame, no concrete answers are given

[plush sigil]

Yes I was thinking of Steins Gate too LOL

[eternal talon]

They made the warden. It's doubtful any survived, and whatever did would be swiftly turned into sleepers regardless

[eternal talon]

It's the ONLY reference for world line theory I have before gtfo came out with it

These are the only two media I know that use it

[plush sigil]

This is MORE pure unfounded speculation but my personal theory is that the Collectors are not biological, they're prob some sort of silicon based life based on their repeated ties to Cretasium

The sentient crystal theory has been repeated here before LOL

[eternal talon]

My thoughts were that they were creating then possessing the units. That they are a sort of digitized consciousness that can take different forms

[plush sigil]

Yep, 100% agreed, they're prob some sort of infomorph

[eternal talon]

@unborn steppe for a basis of the lore I'd recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[drowsy roost]

I thought maybe the collectors are more ephemeral and not, say, actual flesh and blood. Maybe even a single consiousness, etc.

[unborn steppe]

But how did warden take over biocom? I'll give it a read thanks

[drowsy roost]

l33t h4x

[eternal talon]

We don't know exactly. We also don't know when

Just a rough time range of when we know it did

Where we know it did by a certain date, and it doing so is less and less plausible the further back you go

[plush sigil]

CVB-SK5-F71
Hints to aliens beginning to hijack Biocom
"found something I can't explain. In several locations (schematics attached) the optical cables have somehow enmeshed with the surrounding rock. I don't know much about geology, but the rock looks crystalline to me. Perhaps this is the Cretasium substance I have heard about? Whatever it is, it is enmeshing itself with the BIOCOM network infrastructure"

The Cretasium mentioned in this log, there are tons of references of it being associated with the aliens, and there are several logs of Biocom beginning to act funny or do things on its own after this point

Does anyone have a link to the timeline

That event takes place March 8th 2052

[drowsy roost]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

[plush sigil]

Intradesting

That event takes place a month after they first breach the Inner

So I would say its a pretty good indication of the Aliens beginning to hijack Biocom...

[eternal talon]

I think they mean the notion.so

[unborn steppe]

so while the aliens bodies died in the crash, they managed to live on in these crystals?

[plush sigil]

Dunno, thats never hinted at or explained at all

[eternal talon]

We don't know that they ever had bodies

[plush sigil]

all speculation

[eternal talon]

We've literally never seen them

There was that one autopsy, but it could have just been one of the creatures they had stored

Also... wait

No

THE EDGAR/TEAL MONSTER

A sleeper that looks like two humanoids fused together, ashy skin, and can teleport

This describes none of the ones in game

[tame goblet]

Ok just a shout but immortal with ash/grey skin

Can also teleport as seen in R7E1

[plush sigil]

Tbh, I always assumed that was describing a Shadow Giant LOL

[eternal talon]

Doesn't have four arms though.

[tame goblet]

Does it say in the log it had 4 arms?

[eternal talon]

It was dark as shit in the tunnel, it had to have been something obvious like that for him to mention what he did

Otherwise it'd be too dark to see

[eternal talon]

No, we don't have a picture of it.
I'm just saying for it to look how he describes, it aught to otherwise how would he be able to tell that in the darkness

Also... what do the floaters sound like when the teleport/spawn in?

Edgar describes it like a seal clasp

[placid shore]

I'd say the sfx of movies that has some tribemen blowing a poison dart but with more bass to it

[plush sigil]

Log specifically described it as "This creature. Just standing there, staring at me. Breathing real hard. It was… sort of human, but its head was hung low, like it broke its neck or something. Its legs were strong, muscular, but the arms were skinny and bent. It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting."

[clear shale]

singularity sky flashbacks rn

they're just the Festival at this point

[finite vine]

well either that, or aliens in other membranes were

because we do know that the wardens were communicating between their membranes

[eternal talon]

Still, not any of the known variants match that description and can teleport

[finite vine]

what rundown was this log from? i don't remember.

[eternal talon]

Tanks are solidly one person. You can see the face split in half along the front of the torso

(Also the fact the face is a part of the torso so how could it be hung low)

[plush sigil]

Alt 6

[finite vine]

also makes sense because cretasium has the interdimensional transporting properties, as the fliers that can teleport have cretasium crystals on their backs.

[glass escarp]

"

[tame goblet]

If only the lore wasn't so convoluted and easier to piece together.

[rose cradle]

yo, does anybody have that log about the driller inspector or something walking into the drill and killing themselves

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#GHK-342-1088-D3.LOG

[rose cradle]

Thank u

[cunning light]

F for Jordy

[lilac island]

no

[wary portal]

Average lore listener vs average logs reader

[soft tartan]

STFU LORE LOG

[formal ember]

So what's the lore meaning of charger room ceilings 🤔

[formal ember]

I would require this information for my r1c2 runs as it seems to be interesting to a lot of people

[burnt wren]

Nothing, unfortunately. It seems to be around when chargers are around, so it seems to be correlated somehow - but we have no direct information on it.

[lilac island]

Charger hive thing

[lost drum]

Does anyone know how to decode these QR codes? Where can they lead to? it's Henrickson's ID from R8B3.

There's obviously some kind of secret hidden in here

[placid shore]

where in b3 u found this

[lost drum]

Zone 109, Near the terminal. There's also the murder weapon

[placid shore]

no clue bout the body?

[lost drum]

A trail of blood leads to the stairs, I didn't find a body (maybe it's somewhere?). Maybe he left after being wounded. I hope he survived

[placid shore]

also do we know how we were able to drop after r8d2 for both teams?

[lost drum]

Warden has regained control, perhaps

[placid shore]

if henrickson survived could it be him?

[lost drum]

I hadn't thought about it. But it sounds pretty damn cool

[burnt wren]

Damn, he's Handsome even when all censored like that

[loud urchin]

the ALT warden is fine and does stuff in the first act of r8 I think

I mean, it could possibly be that the ALT warden can also affect the elevators that the OG team are using but who knows what's happening with the worldline spaghetti

[lost drum]

I'd like to ask what @eternal talon thinks about this.

[eternal talon]

we had a look at this and it is not henrikkson's id. the numbers dont match

we looked way too deep into this the day the rundown came out

its close, though.

[broken kindle]

Unfortunately, they aren't QR codes (at least to the current qr code standard) due to having 4 positioning patterns (when it should be 3)

you could try removing the bottom right corner and hoping error correction will get you what you want but im too lazy to do that rn

[broken kindle]

late but i dont think anyone answered. The word you're looking for is convergance.