gtfo-lore

[clear shale]

ah yes i too love squadding up with a terminal entry that can talk

[royal crow]

[wet hornet]

nam-v doesnt die

it was waiting for us under the surface for a loooong time

:<

[clear shale]

thanks to the parasites right?

dauda did some stuff about this

[wet hornet]

well we are infected with both

gtfo dlc: play as a sleeper

[royal crow]

unfortunately

we will spread the virus

[clear shale]

will we?

[royal crow]

and everyone will fucking die

[clear shale]

we haven't seen anyone else

and those are HSUs

like, the question is "is there even anyone left to spread it to"

[royal crow]

Durant and his team

[clear shale]

discounting the HSUs because HSU

[clear shale]

if he exists

[final sentinel]

Unless there’s some kind of cure on the planet

Otherwise, yeah it’s fucked

[clear shale]

Durant's voice at the end has an electronic filter on it

[final sentinel]

You assume we will live that long

XD

[clear shale]

So I really can't tell if that's him or just some voice recording

[royal crow]

lol

5 weeks

[final sentinel]

Also there ARE hsu’s that came with us

[clear shale]

Yeah

What I think is gonna happen is

We die of our infection

Anyone else - if they exist - will contract it and die

Then we wait a hella long time and NAM-V goes

[final sentinel]

I think there’ll be more to it

[clear shale]

and now...

...hey, we have all these HSUs that can be revived and humanity is saved

Too bad nobody's there to open them

[final sentinel]

Because it was kind of an open ended ending

And uhhhh

They said the story of the four prisoners will end

[clear shale]

yeah

[final sentinel]

Not the story of GTFO

[royal crow]

Plot twist : Den of Wolves takes place in jungle planet

[clear shale]

H M M M

i'm also still so confused as to how the butterfly nebula ties in

[final sentinel]

I still think the game after DoW, or even DoW itself will tie into the GTFO lore

[cobalt mulch]

dow r1e1: break into kovac hq vault, secondary: get the MWP from there

[hot burrow]

GTFO prisoner reference

[clear shale]

overload: survive

[crisp citrus]

ok so like

hear me out ok

just hear me out first

[final sentinel]

no, I don’t think I will

:) listening

[crisp citrus]

Nam-V is extremely infective. HOWEVER. There is a log about one scientist if i recall, who miraculously does not get Nam-V. He does this by CONSTANTLY wearing a mask, and entering the HSU frequently for insurance. There is another log, and other various proof to support HSUs killing Nam-V for sure 100%. Following this, it would be reasonable to assume the following...
-Upon entering an HSU, Nam-V is cleared
-Upon exiting an HSU, for at least a reasonable period of time, you will not contract it walking around Garganta if you are wearing a mask
-The 4 man all wear masks, and are in an HSU whenever they are not on a mission

With these three assumptions, it can therefore be assumed that when we do missions, we do not contract Nam-V everytime with certainty, or that there are certain conditions we must meet first to contract Nam-V on a mission, besides just exiting the HSU. By assuming this, at the start of R8E2, we do not have Nam-V upon exiting our HSUs. Following the previous assumptions on Nam-V infection conditions and that one scientist, it is feasible that we did not contract Nam-V in the process of going to the jungle planet.

This would result in the 4 man being on the jungle planet, without having Nam-V.

[final sentinel]

We know at least one of the prisoners has it according to their designation

Also Schaeffer straight up confirms it when he tells the other Schaeffer

[crisp citrus]

considering how the HSU has been confirmed to remove Nam-V

my guess is they had it

[final sentinel]

It doesn’t remove it

It stalls it

[crisp citrus]

theres a log mentioning HSUs killing anything they dont want to survive it

and that scientist log talks about it

[final sentinel]

iirc it was confirmed that HSU’s would not erase the virus from your system

Because otherwise everyone would’ve used HSU’s to cure Nam-V in the first place

I’d lose a bit of my memory to not die

[crisp citrus]

i need to find this scientist log

cause it mentions both of those

[final sentinel]

Yeah I’m like 99.99% sure that those pods don’t cure Nam-V

[past matrix]

what type of mask though

[final sentinel]

Even if they did, the surfaces of everything that we teleported to the jungle planet gotta be covered with that shit

[past matrix]

our prisoners use dust filtration masks

[final sentinel]

This too

[crisp citrus]

Hearsay on. It’s one year since Dr. Stokes left us. I still have no idea what happened to her. The record says she was removed due to schizophrenic psychotic episodes I think, but I don’t know where she went. There's no indication of what treatment she received or where she ended up. I've tried reaching out to Howard, but I'm pretty sure they are blocking our external communications. They won't tell us what's going on outside, but from what I can gather it's bad out there. I miss her. She was brilliant, brilliant, and her energy was much needed after Hammerstein's toxicity. She was a breath of fresh air. Until she wasn't. In the end she went the same way we all do. Paranoid, temperamental, depressed. And I'm next. I've avoided contact with the creatures as much as I can. I rarely venture into the inner if I can help it. I've remained as isolated as possible, and I don't have the virus yet which is... unexpected. There are a few of us who have avoided infection, and we've all followed the same pattern. Bare minimum of contact with any other staff. Full protective gear outside of our quarters. Regular hydrostasis immersion - which definitely helps, regardless of what the official stance may be. I haven't removed my gel-mask in 2 years, other than changing the filters. I do feel like it's starting to affect me though. They say a few hours at a time will have no impact on short term memory, but it's cumulative, so. Given the alternative, I'll take the risk. Oh, we have a meeting with the board members from Dreyfus, Santonian and Kovac tomorrow - what's left of them - they want to know why we haven't had any breakthroughs. So easy to demand answers when you're sitting in a bunker in the middle of god knows where. Down here, it isn't so easy. We… we all get it. We may be the last chance there is. Hearsay off.

[crisp citrus]

are they confirmed dust filtration, or do we assume they are from appearance

[final sentinel]

Yes confirmed

[crisp citrus]

this is the guy who literally doesnt get nam-v

[final sentinel]

Well he’s obviously dead now so either the sleepers got him or he got it

[crisp citrus]

yea

but it shows Nam-V is avoidable

and that HSUs do something

[final sentinel]

Avoidable with extreme caution, strict routine, and proper equipment

None of which our prisoners have

In addition, we have been exposed to absolutely gargantuan amounts of the virus through the sleepers

I like the idea, but again that’s a scientist who regularly follows these routines and also isn’t an active combatant against the primary carriers of this disease

[crisp citrus]

ok

but how is schaeffer alive

how has he not succumbed

[final sentinel]

The HSU’s stall the disease, he regularly enters hydrostasis to alleviate the symptoms and reduce it’s progress

Afaik

[crisp citrus]

what about this one

[final sentinel]

Read: very few

In the context of GTFO’s lore, I’m pretty sure you’re meant to assume Nam-V is the exception

[crisp citrus]

The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death). Fortunately, the parasites have not yet found a way into the HSUs. However, after hydrostasis reinfection is possible. We continue to improve our sterilization and prophylaxis methods, but we are fighting a losing battle. I see no future for us if we do not seek the
origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months."

this log too

this one explicitly says virus is killed by the HSU

[final sentinel]

Mmm ok i see iy

[crisp citrus]

so

[final sentinel]

K i was wrong about that. However, “reinfection is possible”

[crisp citrus]

the reason for this is there arent enough HSUs + its pretty much secret technology so the public wouldnt know

[final sentinel]

There’s 0 chance they weren’t reinfected in E2

Like legit no chance

Way too many fucking sleepers

[crisp citrus]

reason why scientists didnt is "Regular hydrostasis immersion - which definitely helps, regardless of what the official stance may be."

they are told p much that it doesnt help (which is a lie as shown by previous thing)

[crisp citrus]

what if i play the "we are the chad timeline squad" card

as in

we kill every single enemy without damage or contact perfectly

[final sentinel]

Still 0 chance but sure

[crisp citrus]

let them live.

[final sentinel]

It spreads through the air, surfaces, everything

[crisp citrus]

let them have a good ending

[cold current]

We were doomed from the start

Let them die please

[final sentinel]

Nah, Calle literally said “this is where the story of Woods, Dauda, Hackett, and Bishop ends”

[crisp citrus]

ends cause they live happily ever after

drinking from alien coconuts

and playing cards with Durant

ngl

i wish some things were better explained or clarified

[cold current]

Oh if they’re alive I’m sure they drink ALOT

[royal crow]

we have a lot of spooky stories to tell to Durant

lol

[cold current]

Especially Bishop

[crisp citrus]

still dont actually know how sleepers work on a laws of physics level

think about it

thermals show sleepers as glowing pretty hot

this means they let off heat, which means they are consuming energy

yet they can remain stationary "forever"

which means they are literally breaking the law of conservation of energy

[royal crow]

they make their own energy

how? idk

[crisp citrus]

with no nutritional intake?

breaking the laws of physics

[cold current]

They should cool down when they’re not clicking or pulsing imo

[crisp citrus]

literally idk how they work

they're illegal

[final sentinel]

Dude we don’t know how shadows work either

However, everything we DO know points to the prisoners being doomed

[cold current]

There are sleeper carcasses that look like they died just crouching there, wonder if they’re not there “forever”

[crisp citrus]

i made a guess that i think is canon because its not disproven

this one

[final sentinel]

eh if it’s not disproven, it’s the closest thing to it

That’s actually a really awesome theory about shadows

Would make sense as to why they’re slower than normal sleepers

[crisp citrus]

the real reason though is because of the accursed "invisible enemies sounds cool right guys?"

[cold current]

And why they bio track diffferent

Makes sense

[crisp citrus]

a shame we dont know how sleepers are perpetual motion machines

[cold current]

Im sure you’ll have a theory soon

[crisp citrus]

one day

it'll come to me in a dream

[clear shale]

Oh yeah, my team and I interpret the final combat in Warp Main (still the most chilling sequence I've ever played) as us getting essentially stuck in the Shadow dimension according to this theory

Well not dimension

but, their state of being

[clear shale]

iirc HSUs kill NAM-V

because they kill you

and they also kill NAM-V that way because you're kind of

very dead

[crisp citrus]

this log says that p much

[clear shale]

i love the casual (or death)

lmao

[clear shale]

there's an unsatisfying answer to this

the parasite evolved alongside NAM-V to give it more or less staying power

the parasite incubates the thing and makes it damn-near immortal which also applies to the sleeers

how the parasite does that?

excellent question

[crisp citrus]

yea that breaks the laws of physics though

[clear shale]

yep

[crisp citrus]

unless the parasite has a nuclear reactor in it

(doubtful)

[clear shale]

i mean then again this is the same world where we have the matter-wave projector

[crisp citrus]

thats more reasonable

alien technology

[clear shale]

yeah

[crisp citrus]

sleepers are just

[clear shale]

NAM-V is clearly on something and it came from matter-wave land

[crisp citrus]

"magic disease that lets you surpass the laws of physics"

[clear shale]

I'm wondering if they aren't jacked up on end-tech nonsense like the projector

like, that thing is super fucking powerful, who tf knows what else NAM-V got up to over there

[crisp citrus]

maybe

nam-v a nanomachine disease

[clear shale]

ah so every sleeper is the Senator

excellent

[crisp citrus]

produces energy by contacting the Matter Wave Dimension™️ and asking for a resupply

(i think its just a game mechanic that thermals show them)

[clear shale]

The one way i see the prisoners surviving is by jumping in a HSU lmao

it's very loose survival

since idk if anyone is gonna be there to free you and you will still be kind of dead

but Maybe™️

[crisp citrus]

i think Nam-V's infectivity is a bit overblown

i think it is super infective

but i dont think the 4 man gets it 4 seconds after opening their HSUs

[clear shale]

E2 was a genuine clusterfuck though

There's a small chance they live and it depends on how exactly the prisoners managed to "stay clean", how the sleeers' attacks work (do they deal permanent damage to your suits? Do you get new armour every drop? all those fun factors) but it is very small

[crisp citrus]

i go with the chad theory

where the 4 man is the Optimal 4 man of all timelines, never takes an L

and clears E2 no damage no physical contact with sleepers

[plain river]

I made myself a diagram since I kept getting confused which squad we're playing as. Does this look right?

[eternal talon]

this looks amazing!

this should get pinned!

[royal crow]

its right

probably the best i have seen so far

[plain river]

Fantastic, I'm glad I could make sense of it lol. I think the fact that the Unknown squad exists kept throwing me off 😢

[royal crow]

i guess worldlines merging start in ALT 1 and then we see the full thing in R8

idk

its weird

[eternal talon]

(true, we also see OG schaeffer in alt//r1d1)

but it was a gradual process

[royal crow]

yeah

[plain river]

Ooooh that explains a lot

[royal crow]

the unkown squad in ALT is the first sign of it

[eternal talon]

that, and the memories/stuff from different worldlines Truth talks about

[royal crow]

i see i see

[broken oriole]

nightmare worldline DLC rundown pls 🤔

[past matrix]

honestly

i kinda think alt r1-r6 dont happen concurrently with r1-r6

we know that in alt, there were some fuckery with dimensions going on already

which the fuckery only starts in r7e1

since r7 doesn't happen in the alt timeline at all, it'd make more sense in that regard too since schaeffer isn't waiting like 2+ years to enact his alt plan

[floral burrow]

What does quad mean?

Also where's the lore doc?

Or are y'all still working on V8?

[coral gorge]

quad - 4 people

lore doc is in pinned messages on this channel, but i dont think it was updated with R8 stuff

[floral burrow]

Ah kk

[gilded vine]

It means me 😎

[drowsy roost]

KSOs are grouped into teams of 4 operatives, called a quad.

[drowsy roost]

This is cool, we should get it on the wiki.

Although it's been a while, I still never understood where the ALT team died prior to ALT rundowns? Where was that?

[royal crow]

we find 2 dead bodies of them (i think it was bishop and dauda) in R6

[drowsy roost]

I guess R8E2 should also end with the OG worldline peeps ending up in the "EF01 jungle membrane/dimension", since that's where they jump.

[drowsy roost]

I guess I was confused since it could just be any other quad/worldline. Not to say it means the ALT quad died.

Not sure where our ALT team would've come from if they died prior to ALT 1.0

[cunning light]

To me the assumption that the original Alt team died prior to Alt://Rundown events is lacking support

I believe instead the bodies we find in Alt://R6CX belong to a team from yet another worldline, who were unfortunate enough to find themselves in the Alt:// one

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I think that's probably the sanest interpretaiton — we see a few dead quads in R8 and don't assume those are OG/ALT teams, either.

[cunning light]

Yup

[drowsy roost]

My guess is that, we jump around dimensions a ton anyway, surely the other quads are doing the same.

[royal crow]

the squad we play in ALT could also bee from another worldline

[cunning light]

Agreed

[royal crow]

man why is this stuff never explained

[cunning light]

But to me the "safest" option remains to assume that they are just "The Alt:// Quad"

[coral gorge]

Plus its probable the wordline R8 takes place is comes from a merge of several dozen ones so a bunch of quads got pulled into it

[drowsy roost]

I guess our options are: 1. ALT Rundowns has the ALT quad, or 2. the ALT quad died and we ALT rundowns are some other quad.

opt 1. makes more sense. And the "ALT team dying" thing was a good theory before the story was finalised...

[cunning light]

2. is probably favored by people who previously thought that we "replayed" the Alt://Rundown events as the OG team

But to be honest we have no strong evidence supporting either 1. or 2. :D

[royal crow]

both of them make sense

so both of them are right

[cunning light]

Perfect !

[royal crow]

[drowsy roost]

The only log which concerns ALT dying is Bishop going to EF01. So if anything, we're not certain our Bishop was the same Bishop who departed — and its implied it isn't. But other than that 👍

[cunning light]

Now on to the next plothole !

[royal crow]

oh god

[drowsy roost]

Biggest plothole for me is that Dr. Durant and everyone is ALREADY DEAD. They died hundreds of years ago 😆 (from their perspective)

But I'm just believing that the MVP/datacubes can travel between time,* place* and dimensions, not just dimensions and place

[cunning light]

But they did not, in Alt:// events

In this version, they moved to a place where time flowed slower than "ours"

[drowsy roost]

Oh I mean, because of the difference in the rate of the passage of time, even if EF01 on the jungle planet survived (and no reason to believe they didn't, unlike the desert EF01 in the OG timeline) — they'd still have aged 100's of years by the end of R8...

[cunning light]

(compared to the 85x accelerated version they are sent to in OG)

No, time runs slower

There is a second log for EF-01 in Alt://

Where Durant's team reports they heard someone trying to contact them days after the jump

[drowsy roost]

I think its the other way around — "Our local chronometers are operating at normal speed but the mission clock, which was tethered to Garganta's quantum frequency, hasn't moved since we got here" If Garganta isn't moving but theirs is, then time in Garganta is progressing slower, relatively, and theirs is progressing faster.

[royal crow]

i think its the other way around

our dimension is moving fast and they are moving slow

[drowsy roost]

Say if 1 second passes in Garganta and 1 hour passes in their dimension, then 1 hour in Garganta is 150 days in their dimension.

I mean, time moving slower in their local dimension would make waaaaaay more sense. But the log doesn't say that.

[cunning light]

My bad, these logs are confusing :(

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I've spent too much of my life this year reading these 😆

[peak frigate]

I hope there is some secret easter egg somewhere we havent found that explains thesd loopholes lul

[cunning light]

We lost Bishop today. Just gone. Alice was scanning quantum frequencies, which
she has done diligently every morning for years. She claims she heard something. A voice. She said it was Nolan Connor. I remember him. He was Dr. Stoke's
assistant I believe. He ran comms... or telemetry... anyway, Alice is positive
she heard his voice, calling for a response from E-F-Zero-One.

[cold sphinx]

Real

[cunning light]

Yes, years after having arrived, they receive a transmission that was sent very shortly after the jump

[cold sphinx]

Spider verse look alike

[cunning light]

So they would at least have lived decades on this place

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, exactly. Connor says he never tried to make any further contact "after the incident" so what they're hearing is the mission control during the initial jump. Maybe only a few minutes later in Garganta but months in EF01.

EF01 has a few plot holes...

[peak frigate]

Blame it on mwp

Mwp ruined ef01 too

;_;

[drowsy roost]

Also, if time is moving faster in the alt EF01, Bishop would be like 70-80 years old when he jumped back to Garganta...

EF01 has the most issues of any subplot https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/EF01#Inconsistencies

[cunning light]

Not that much ; he made it back a few years later

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=a7a028814a6849d09280534baa3ce443&p=6755872296e746f5bddd1c0fd4254975&pm=s

But I agree, EF-01 is quite the plotholes of all plotholes

[drowsy roost]

Yahhhh...

[frail pollen]

plotholes? more like not high enough clearance to know the info 😄

[cold sphinx]

I think MWP fucks up alot of stuff

Literally

[peak frigate]

Nice. Hidden information

[cunning light]

We just have to wait for GTFO2

[frail pollen]

/s

[peak frigate]

Regarding age I think you are looking into this from wrong perspective tho

[royal crow]

||when next sniper nerf||

[peak frigate]

Actly nvm as I was writing a reply I lost my train of thought

Made sense when I was writing it

[royal crow]

lol

[drowsy roost]

Haha that is normal for gtfo lore...

So I think it might be something more akin to

[peak frigate]

Okay it makes sense a bit more

Hang on gotta check dates

Tbh all I can say is bishop didnt return to same dimension that he left

The rest doesnt make sense lul

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I agree. I think the Bishop which appeared a year later after EF01 was a diff Bishop, and not the one who left for EF01.

And whenever you jump to the desert environment, you are jumping to the OG EF01 mission (or perhaps variations of it) So both ALT and OG quads visit the original EF01 mission.

Which, come to think of it, makes you wonder why Bishop doesn't remember it if it was the same Bishop which returned...

Otherwise he'd be like "oh damn this shit again"

[peak frigate]

Possibly yea

[coral gorge]

Durants jungle dimension runs slower, the normal desert dimention runs faster

its easy to confuse the logs

[drowsy roost]

"Our local chronometers are operating at normal speed but the mission clock, which was tethered to Garganta's quantum frequency, hasn't moved since we got here"

If Garganta isn't moving but theirs is, wouldn't Garganta be progressing slower, relatively, and theirs is progressing faster? https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_6.0_Logs#H9K-HYR-1TE

Then again — it did say the tether broke. So maybe it just... broke? 😆

[drowsy roost]

Maybe more like (ignoring nightmare for a sec)

Hmm, discord compressed that poorly.

[peak frigate]

Nice we created a bishop fallacy

Maybe bishops a collector

[runic marsh]

what's EF?

[peak frigate]

That desert planet thingy

[coral gorge]

isnt that from thr other team? Like the destination one and not durants?

[runic marsh]

desert planet? you mean Mexico?

I thought it was a desert on Earth

[coral gorge]

destination (desert area) is located in some super far away nebula in a diffrent worldline

[runic marsh]

how did they appear near Garganta?

I mean the flyers, how tf they teleport

[peak frigate]

Actly thats a good q

[cunning light]

The tether we open to Destination in R6B1 does not close, unless I am mistaken
At least that is how the "first waves" of them follow us through

[coral gorge]

i think they use the MWP somehow. Like in R6B1 they apear cause thr warden is unable to close the portal fully

[peak frigate]

Then they just follow?

"Hooray, open portal"

With a hive mind this is possible but idk

[runic marsh]

interesting

[coral gorge]

seems like it lol

[runic marsh]

more things I need to make clear. Sleepers, are they infected by NAM-V humans, or also aliens? did the virus come from the depth of the earth where the ancient asteroid metals were, or they caught the virus during EF mission?

[peak frigate]

Flyers could be different species doesnt necessarily mean aliens

For what its worth, flyers could be seagulls

[peak frigate]

Sleepers are humans + virus + parasite

Virus alone kills people

[coral gorge]

Sleepers we see are infected humans, they apear due to a person being infected with both the nam-v virus and the parasite. Both were brought to earth by an alien spaceship that crash landed (and was mistaken for an asteroid)

[peak frigate]

(Wiped out dinosaurs)

[coral gorge]

yeah

[peak frigate]

(Stayed dormant for so long)

Its discovery was unexpected as garganta just wanted to mine out iridium

[runic marsh]

so the Chixulub asteroid was actually an alien space ship? wut

[peak frigate]

But they found the spaceship

[coral gorge]

”asteroid” hits earth, kills dinos, is found by humans and the virus ends humanity

[runic marsh]

stupid aliens, can't even land.
I mean why do I complain, I remember my first landing in Star Citizen

[coral gorge]

yeah the lore of this game goes… unexpected places

[runic marsh]

remember which logs talked about the space ship?

[peak frigate]

Did we ever agree upon virus being artifical?

Im questioning the possibility of aliens not being immune to it

[coral gorge]

they werent

the whole reason they crashed was cause they got infected

[peak frigate]

Id say thats why ship crashed

Yes

Nice.

[coral gorge]

Sceintists found mutated alien bodies in the ship

[runic marsh]

also since we kill thousands of sleepers, which I doubt there were so many people in Garganta, I assume they learned to multiply. eg cocoons, mothers, SpAwN MaNaGeR

[peak frigate]

What does this imply in terms of parasite

[coral gorge]

its highly unlikely nam-v is natural due to its extreme lethality which literally makes it die off without the parasite

it was most likely a bio weapon to kill off specifc areas

[peak frigate]

Was it humans experimenting with mwp bringing it back to world by accident

Did space ship also carry the parasite

[coral gorge]

The parasite pn the other hand… from i think Daudas logs we know the virus prolly found thr parasite at some point and literally forced it to enter symbiosis with the virus

[coral gorge]

Ship had both parasite and vrius

”mutated” alien bodies

[peak frigate]

Ye but did aliens carry it over via ship

Mutated but dead

Ah they could have died from crash landing.

[coral gorge]

Impact prolly killed them

[peak frigate]

Ye ye Im stupid

[coral gorge]

Humans experimenting with MWP did spread the vrius to several other wordlines, so thats fun

[peak frigate]

Ye og squad fucked up last clean place right

[runic marsh]

there was a game with a few similar elements. Aliens invade Earth, spray spores into the atmosphere, turning entire world into braindead mutants. Virus dissipates but the planet starts getting covered in alien biomass. Remaining humanity comes out of bunkers, fights monsters, then the aliens. Eventually they find out that apparently this alien race was entirely mind controlled by another omega alien, and covering an entire planet in biomass apparently is just some pheromones for finding a mate. They wiped humanity just to get laid.

[peak frigate]

Peak plot

[runic marsh]

t was an old game

[coral gorge]

Most likely, as i doubt we didnt carry the virus with us

so durrant gets fucked after survivng in the dimension for like a year

[peak frigate]

Does that membrane has any other living being besides durant ?

Idk if this was ever told

[coral gorge]

Wdym

[peak frigate]

Was the world populated before we went in

Like if its just durant living there us fucking it up really doesnt matter

[coral gorge]

we dont know but most likely not

it was just durrant and his team

that got stranded there

[peak frigate]

Bishop returned solo

Hm

Ye he legit left em to die lol

Or live, idk

Why the hell bishop returned tho

If alt ef01 was fine

[coral gorge]

Could have been a diff bishop

from a completely diffrent wordline

[peak frigate]

Damn bishop was the main villain

[floral burrow]

Wait I have a question

The aztecs fought sleepers

And sleepers can just hibernate when no food

How did they die out?

[peak frigate]

Aztecs won

[runic marsh]

[peak frigate]

Only logical conclusion is that they actually beat sleepers but died from virus

Idk

[floral burrow]

Gtfo writing

[peak frigate]

Idk man aztecs prolly had bows n shit so could have been silently killing them

Aztecs ranged them with style

[coral gorge]

aztecs are a plot hole

like they managed to wipe out all of the sleepers that attacked them

somehow

[crisp citrus]

Because they're the ancestors of the chad 4 man

The og 4 man that canonically never loses

[peak frigate]

Honestly

[crisp citrus]

They are descendants of the og chad Aztecs that beat nam-v and the sleepers using spears

[peak frigate]

Aztects used obsidian arrows

[crisp citrus]

What

[peak frigate]

And bow n arrow is actually an effective way to silently kill things

[runic marsh]

so if we have OG and ALT quads, why do we find a pile of dead KSOs in R8A1, both on the floor and the ceiling?

[peak frigate]

Irl lore

Obsidian was important in mesoamerica

[crisp citrus]

Ok so they stealth killed all the sleepers using arrows

Yet mysteriously didn't contract nam-v in the process

[peak frigate]

Is a possibility

[crisp citrus]

Despite the alleged high infectivity

[peak frigate]

Tbh this

Did they actually come out alive? Did i miss that part somehow

[runic marsh]

[crisp citrus]

Wouldn't they have become sleepers then

[peak frigate]

Maybe they killed eachother

(unlikely)

[crisp citrus]

There's no way that happened and no sleepers occured

Therefore

Nam-v isn't as infective as we thought

Which is why the Aztecs managed it

It's super infective, just not ridiculously so

[peak frigate]

aztecs were social distancing

[crisp citrus]

Idk general opinion is the virus is so infective you get it just from someone telling you about it

Maybe it's just a bit worse than covid

[bright bluff]

So this is not on the WIKI but I found a 4th log in R1D1: https://steamcommunity.com/id/lampenpam/screenshot/2260308645796542400/

there appear to be two logs on the terminal in zone 74, with nearly identical names. Is this a bug?

[frail pollen]

#patch-notes

[bright bluff]

oh I see, so the wiki is just not up-to-date

[frail pollen]

feel free to add it! you can ask for help in #wiki-chat if you don't know how

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, I captured most of the logs before the patch — so bound to be a few gaps...

[drowsy roost]

In the OG EF01, no idea how Bishop returned. In ALT EF01 it is kinda implied he was fiddling with data cubes, and we've seen that have the ability to jump period around. But maybe the cubes have nothing to do with it...

[floral burrow]

Kraken?

[drowsy roost]

Yeah not sure. There's quite a few dead KSO's in R8 so maybe they're other worldlines where things went badly...

[drowsy roost]

I thought that "massive organism" was whatever the weird glowy fleshy ceiling was...

[floral burrow]

What level was that?

[drowsy roost]

It appears in a quite a few... Not sure specifically.

It's common in the lab env's.

[runic marsh]

why the upside-down then?

[drowsy roost]

Dr. Durant and Bishop go on a EF01 mission in both worldlines, just to different "membranes".

[drowsy roost]

MVP collapse stuff, I suppose 🤷

[runic marsh]

also the Stranger Things-like upside-down when we teleported. floating particles, new enemies that sound similar to Demogorgon

I heard that!

[floral burrow]

What happened to Schaeffer in R8D2?

[runic marsh]

ALT Schaeffer killed the OG one, then fucking drowned

[cold sphinx]

Which

[floral burrow]

[cold sphinx]

Getting dunked by 10tons of water

Is fun

Bro should had wore the mammoth mask

[runic marsh]

authentic Titan Submarine experience

[cold sphinx]

Average controller 1 disconnected enjoyer

[runic marsh]

Brain.exe not found

[cold sphinx]

Decon unit missing

The fog is coming

[runic marsh]

their families most searched word after the incident: inheritance

[floral burrow]

Whats the fog?

[cold sphinx]

Youve not watched the decon unit voicelines?

[past matrix]

or even just gameplay of the decon unit

[cold sphinx]

No

Gameplay doesn’t reflect much said on it

In R2 nowadays

We just go in quiet and quickly

Just to get the fog turbine aka the decon unit

[past matrix]

gameplay for decon unit did

considering you can see the fog rising

[cold sphinx]

There was

But voicelines in those?

Barely

[floral burrow]

naw

[cold sphinx]

Should

[floral burrow]

is there a link anywhere or do I have to go in game?

[cold sphinx]

One moment

https://youtu.be/Pi5uF8Kujis?si=bKWPof8jm2oyz5ru

Made by esterunit the great dood

[floral burrow]

ty

[eternal talon]

iirc these aren't even in-game so non canon

[cold sphinx]

Yes

They arent

But it is in the game files

[eternal talon]

so why are we talkin' about em'? lel.
its like talking about the mapper, nanoswarm, grenades, AI sentry turrets, deployable cover,

its all in the code but none of it is canon

there are hundreds of unused voice lines

[cold sphinx]

Just sumin

Dont mind to much about em

Its just addicting to see more that it can give

[eternal talon]

well i guess, but none of it we can use

[clear shale]

there were fuckin' grenades?

[clear shale]

Wasn't it the other way around

OG is insane right

[coral gorge]

og is mentally unstable yes

[past matrix]

flamethrowers were an idea as well

i wonder what inspired the shift from the Warden being a group of people to aliens

[coral gorge]

it was never thought to be a group of people, was it?

[past matrix]

it was meant to be (10cc in early interviews had personified the Warden, saying stuff about how they only send prisoners in because they are too scared to go in themselves)

[coral gorge]

i thought from the beginning people assumed its a program

[past matrix]

it was mixed for a bit before we got the WRDN log

especially since in the earlier rundowns, the Warden made huge errors that it wouldn't make sense to make

[coral gorge]

i suppose so yeah

like R1D1 fucking up the shutdown sequence

[past matrix]

or r2b3 fucking up r2c2

[coral gorge]

and i guess it was in the times before we learnt that humanity fucking died

tbh i wonder how would the story have went if we stuck to the "we are prisoners on death sentence that are used to do dangerous shit"

instead of all the alien stuff

like even MWP could have stayed and the whole R7 schafer plot

the lore would have prolly been much simpler

wether it would be better... it would depend i suppose

[past matrix]

i lowkey think the alien plotline was kinda shit

[coral gorge]

it defo wasnt necesarry

like sticking to "asteroid that killed dinos brought with it some quantum rocks and a super virus" wouldnt be terrible

[drowsy roost]

I think in terms of loose ends we have:

1. The energy streams that blew giant holes everywhere
2. What the Collectors were up to? Why bother creating WRDN and all of that -- and why bother helping when Schaeff came into things
3. Were there other aliens, i.e the crashed ship thing?
4. Something about the earthquake being man-make or otherwise a ploy to start excavation
5. Whatever the weird massive biomass which covers the ceilings
6. Iridium? Or was that just the magical space rock which powers the MVP?
7. Was the pMother part of experimentation with humans?

[coral gorge]

im pretty sure iridium might be explaindd

we know santonian did find a lot of iridium in the crater

way before finding the Inner i believe

[drowsy roost]

Yeah, its also part of all the artefacts they're finding. But why would that matter, I guess...

[grizzled frost]

Iridium is just the stuff they were looking for originally, it's another thing that they find down there that is associated to all the alien stuff (cretasium i think ?)

and re: 3 we know from the Doctor -Stein logs that there are a lot of different aliens

[past matrix]

yeah iridium was being mined because it's worth a pretty penny

and also iirc can be used for a lot of different technology

[eternal talon]

1. the log itself calls it a weapon/gun (I forget which).

2. it wasn't helping schaeffer, it was trying to get rid of him. As to what it was doing originally, just theorywork based on ogr6.

3. In the ship Hammerstein found tons of species from different worldlines

4. we don't know it's origin, but it is certainly not man-made. The same earthquake series opened up cave networks so the sleepers could attack the mayans. It IS artificial, however as it is not near any fault line and is directly tied to the escape of the virus/parasite

5. we don't know. It is associated with chargers, whatever it is.

6. iridium was found in tons of different meteors, and iirc it is an irl thing (could be wrong though). Cretasium 77a was mistaken for it by Santonian and that's why they started digging, they thought they were gonna strike it rich. Cretasium makes up the artifacts and the hull of the ship.

7. I have absolutely no idea about anything related to the pMother trial samples, someone else would have to reply

[past matrix]

iridium is a real thing

[clear shale]

It's also found in meteors

[clear shale]

That woulda been so cool

[dawn sedge]

can anyone explain to me what the r8a2 secondary ending is about? I know it's the training mission revamped and I've watched someone play it and heard the training voice talking about Hammerstein. However i'm confused about the implications of it being an experiment. Is this like an old abandoned test that just happens to restart when we teleport in? Or are hammerstein and co actually watching it all happen? What are peoples opinions on this?

also, i suppose it could just be an easter egg given how hidden it is and how it essentially meta references and trolls with the training lockdown door being openable

[burnt wren]

Its a non-canon prank from the devs.

[dawn sedge]

ahhhh okay cheers for clarifying

the voice lines are interesting tho

[burnt wren]

Most good faith steelman one can muster is that its a representation of how Dr Hammerstein conducted his research.

[dawn sedge]

not quite a morals guy lol

[burnt wren]

But i don't know. This is like... Disney villain levels. A caricature.

[dawn sedge]

indeed

[burnt wren]

Very funny though, i'll give them that.

[dawn sedge]

although, if he viewed KSOs as meat to be bred and enslaved, it doesn't sound too far off what he would permit

[burnt wren]

"Use your melee to kill the target in front of you"

flashlight catches a glimpse of a meat truck

[dawn sedge]

lmao

a very cool looking thing. Such a shame not weaseled into the canon as some sort of genuine lore drop

isn't there a big log on one of the terminals? or was that a different level

and the room had like an immortal in it

[burnt wren]

There is a log hidden in the room where pablo (immortal) is

Room is very small, and its fucking PACKED with Nightmares.

[dawn sedge]

like hidden hidden or just on the terminal

theres gotta be footage of someone doing it

[burnt wren]

Nightmares seem to be extra sensitive to stealth and there's so many of them - there's a high chance you can't even reach the terminal without waking something up.

[dawn sedge]

it's surely part of the full logs achievement?

[burnt wren]

It is.

[dawn sedge]

what a wonderful game this is

[burnt wren]

You have to go loud, lure the immortal out and cfoam him / distract him while you read the log.

[dawn sedge]

ahhh yeah makes sense

[burnt wren]

It also just happens to be one of the longest logs in the entire fucking game.

Which is extra pranky from devs. Of course it is...

[dawn sedge]

it's just exposition about Mr Truth right

[burnt wren]

Nothing too important though. Its a personal story from Mr Truth's childhood. Its not super important to his story, but it does give glimpse into his character development and how he came to be where he is.

[dawn sedge]

also, how do you get the voice of truth achievement? Is it something in R8? If so, don't tell me lol, I don't wanna get spoiled, I just wanna know if it's like Shaeffer's Bucket where you go back to an old level to get it

[burnt wren]

Weirdly enough its linked to a specific log from R2E1.

[dawn sedge]

hmmmmm

fair enough

is it Mr Truth's last log or something

mayhaps

[burnt wren]

I think its the first ever Mr Truth broadcast or something.

[dawn sedge]

ohhh first ever

equally cool

cheers for the info man appreciate it

one final question thats been bugging me tho, the log with connor, when he mentions the exceptionally large biomass, is that a kraken or the D2 boss

[burnt wren]

I haven't reached that yet, so... But probably the latter.

WTF would kraken be doing in the depths of the earth. Rotting away?

[dawn sedge]

yeah fair enough

it's the only other large entity I can think of in the gtfo universe

[paper kestrel]

so far I have screenshot and recorded every log Ive found on a terminal for every rundown Ive completed. Im not done yet but I have so many screenshots that my steam review thing was just gtfo screenshots of terminals lol

[clear shale]

floaters

[crisp citrus]

i wonder if you could use mines or something

[past matrix]

dont know the full context but maybe it's talking about the big charger biomass thing

[winter oracle]

Why people are saying that the team is infected, altho when every time team(we) finishes expedition, on the ending screen player sees report on every character that they Infection status is "Clean"

I mean, all that game gave us lore wise is only speculation

[nova python]

The "infection status" on ending screen refers to infection you took during the mission, it's a gameplay thing and does not have a link to lore

[winter oracle]

It was told that infectious fog is concentrated NAMV

but still, everytime we load the game we see random values

Some though: there was a log, that you can survive NAMV with protective gear, HSU. We don't have any signs of infection at the start for gameplay purposes, a lot of gamy things are for gameplay purposes. It's unknow how Schaeffer(given that he wants us to resist since R1) and H. can survive for so long time without HSU. Mr.Truth got his NAMV from his Dog that got it in the middle of nowhere. There is no proof that OG team is infected at the end of E2. Only reverse-thoughts, speculations and a lot of theory stuff.

All this stuff goes directly to

https://tenor.com/view/believe-xfiles-aliens-i-want-to-believe-sky-gif-4950667

[nova python]

I'm not the biggest lore expert so I might be wrong, but I don't thing infectious fog is nam-v as you can cure it with packs/station, even tho nam-v can only be "cured" with hydrostasis. Might just be another gameplay thing tho

[winter oracle]

imagine that packs are just IV filled with ibuprofen to fight fever

[dawn sedge]

My interpretation was that disinfection resources were just to keep the infection from progressing and causing symptoms rather than actually curing it. It’s like it’s preventing it from being a problem for a while

[winter oracle]

liquid aspirin

goes directly into my brain

[hazy oasis]

Is there a nice timeline chart somewhere with how the two sides of R8 interact?

[winter oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-triggered-gif-21135010

[loud urchin]

Ibuprofen is bad, it doesn't treat the infection itself

[winter oracle]

IRL I chug ibuprofen everytime I've got >38.5C

Still, infectious fog is so thick, that it can almost kill human that breathes the fog for a few seconds

[dawn sedge]

Besides, infection fog is practically confirmed to be nam v as dauda’s log talking about it clearly states about concentrated amounts of nam v in water vapour clouds

[winter oracle]

From gamy perspective then, it seems that it's enough to breath in it for a few secs to die (1% hp), than people claiming that we have 15-20 days to live

[dawn sedge]

Maybe hp is just our level of physical fitness for the warden’s tasks. After all, when you lose all your HP, you just fall to the ground - you’re still audibly alive and can be revived. You only actually die when there’s nobody left to fight the monsters and presumably they kill you

So essentially 99% infection just means almost completely incapacitated

Like you can barely breathe (demonstrated by the sounds) and you can barely fight (only 1hp)

[winter oracle]

To finish this. If you're just want to read stuff that people are saying there: there is no proof that prisoner team is infected whatsoever, there is no infection inbetween deployment, there is no explanation how team extracts from C2,D2 when the team got their BIOCOM chip removed, there is no explanation how Schaeffer survived since rundown 1 altho logs claim that every cubic millimetre of garganta is infected.
P.S. How the hell warden can redeploy team in D2 and E2

[dawn sedge]

Oh yeah I mean im not disagreeing with that, just giving my take on what infectious fog is

[burnt wren]

The common guess is that we're not far enough into the incubation cycle for any symptoms to show.

[winter oracle]

Yeah, I'm just making summary for people that may stumble on our posts

[burnt wren]

Either that or hyrostasis really does cures namv. Which is what the game seems to be hinting at, but I'm not sure.

[dawn sedge]

Except wheezing and blurred vision surely artek?

[winter oracle]

it purges everything

[dawn sedge]

I think it does. Supposedly you die in hydrostasis, which kills the virus, then you are revived clean

[winter oracle]

but logs claim that HSU itself can be infected

altho people inside are not infected

[dawn sedge]

True, but maybe that’s because seals have broken rather than the hsu tech itself can be infected when fully functioning

[burnt wren]

World building hard

[winter oracle]

People inside all that HSU's that we see are dead

[dawn sedge]

Real

[winter oracle]

Coz, all those hsus are disabled

it has to be powered on

[dawn sedge]

Very sad that some of this stuff I guess will never be explained

[winter oracle]

Imagine any movie

That has unexplained ending

"Thing" for example

Who is infected(/alien)? Still unknown, but movie creator claims that only he knows

[burnt wren]

Ambiguous, not so much unexplained.

The ambiguity is the point. The final bit of paranoia.

Also there is a video game based in the movie... And uh... Allegedly it's supposed to be canon.

There's also a comic.

[winter oracle]

Speaking about canon, Starwars owners claim that ep1-3 are not canon

[burnt wren]

Scuze me

[dawn sedge]

Eh I get what you mean, I don’t think it allll needs to be explained away. But I’d liked to have seen the inner and other areas of garganta to piece together what life was like, I want to know more about the surface etc

[burnt wren]

Ohhhhh, no inner after all?

Laaaaaaaame

[winter oracle]

do you know what happend to research group that was looking for patient zero?

[burnt wren]

We shot them.

Or another squad, uncertain.

[winter oracle]

how could we shoot them

if only the teamleader decended down there

[burnt wren]

There is a log of warden detecting their intrusion and sending a squad after them with "seek and destroy" objective.

[winter oracle]

everyone else were to scared that they decided to stay topside

[burnt wren]

An objective we never had in the game, might I add.

[winter oracle]

No, I mean, listen

[dawn sedge]

I don’t think so, or at least I haven’t seen footage of it or anything

[winter oracle]

Teamleader of said expedition claimed that everyone decided not to go into garganta

except him alone

[burnt wren]

That's where? I mightve not seen the log.

[winter oracle]

They arrive to garganta

then everyone else is to scared

[burnt wren]

Specific quote.

[winter oracle]

then teamleader says that garganta's corridors is spooky coz of sounds

Oh, i have to go and find those logs

[burnt wren]

I remember him saying "no one wants to go down there" but more so as "but we have no choice" kinda context.

[winter oracle]

there was something - something that it's him who has to go

Okay, there is so many dead ends lore wise

I don't even know what happend to Dr.Tale

Coz the only logs I've read that OG logs

[burnt wren]

Sleep'd probably. Or is stuck in an HSU somewhere.

[winter oracle]

The last log I remember in OG R6 was something about her touching infected patient and seeing sleeper transformation

probably dying, I don't know

[eternal talon]

It is not. Syringes also "infect" you, and those were shipped in from outside garganta. Impossible to have been nam-v.

[eternal talon]

Class F KSOs in hydrostasis ARE infected though... given everything we know, it doesn't reverse the virus' progress. Over time you will still die to it, as artek said.

[eternal talon]

Iirc the sequel (game) shows neither were infected at the end of the movie.

[winter oracle]

Game has so many plot holes

I really think they just had ton of ideas

[eternal talon]

True, but still considered Canon by the studio

Even if not blessed by Mr carpenter

[winter oracle]

I mean, i'm not talking about thing

About uh..gtfo

Judging by usefuless of syringes...I think it is just an old feature

[eternal talon]

We hear her turn on an audio log, don't we? I thought that was pretty cut and dry

[winter oracle]

After her seeing sleeper transformation

[burnt wren]

She runs off to get help

No idea what happens after

But it seems workers hated her

She just... Wasn't helping, really.

For what its worth it seems like she wasn't happy with her job either.

[winter oracle]

She was just doing the doctor thing (drink some drugs, they will help, maybe)

[eternal talon]

In all fairness... that's not how Syringes work. They wouldn't do anything if they were left exposed/open. They'd expire

[winter oracle]

About infection

We have a syringe, probably without protection cap

lying in infected enviroment

[burnt wren]

I swear logs on syringes literally point out the infection problem. But unsure.

[winter oracle]

Yes...there was something about that

[bitter prawn]

will it be okay to ask R8 lore questions here or will that be on spoiler chat

[eternal talon]

We are exempt from the 2-week period of silence

[winter oracle]

About syringes

[eternal talon]

Have a look at the date on that.

That's before nam-v got out iirc.

[winter oracle]

You're missing vital detail

We have a syringe, somewhere on the ground

In infected enviroment

That goes directly into our blood stream

It's like making a cut with old rusty nail

[eternal talon]

That's not...

[burnt wren]

They should have a protection cap on it. Like all syringes do.

[eternal talon]

I feel like you are just ignoring certain parts of evidence in favor of others

[burnt wren]

That's normal.

[winter oracle]

should be

[eternal talon]

I think they do on the model aswell... a little orang-

Huh

What about the other one?

[winter oracle]

I'm sorry but

I don't have to be a doctor

But being covered in sleepers blood

And using an injection

In a dirty environment, in dirty clothes, covered in blood

[eternal talon]

Nam-v spreads via every possible method. How come we aren't getting infected by walking on the floor? Holding our guns? Breathing the air?

[winter oracle]

there was log about gas masks and hsus

[eternal talon]

It is impossible that it would be constrained to just the fog. That's underselling what the evidence shows

[past matrix]

i wouldnt doubt if syringes infected us because they were dirty tbh; its been years since the outbreak began and they're just kind of laying around the facility

[eternal talon]

And neither were effective against nam-v. Even SEC-BM full protection suits

[eternal talon]

That was my point before, but I was convinced with sufficient proof that it wasn't the case.

[winter oracle]

Infection from syringes feels to gamy

I'm don't want to pull an idea from this game feature

All those gaming theories encounters contradictions from many many game logs

[winter oracle]

What about Connor logs?

I mean, your thoughs on them

Guy claims to be alive for 2 years

In AKK-3XW-EEB

CONNOR
Hearsay on. It’s one year since Dr. Stokes left us. I still have no idea what happened to her. The record says she was removed due to schizophrenic psychotic episodes I think, but I don’t know where she went. There's no indication of what treatment she received or where she ended up. I've tried reaching out to Howard, but I'm pretty sure they are blocking our external communications. They won't tell us what's going on outside, but from what I can gather it's bad out there. I miss her. She was brilliant, brilliant, and her energy was much needed after Hammerstein's toxicity. She was a breath of fresh air. Until she wasn't. In the end she went the same way we all do. Paranoid, temperamental, depressed. And I'm next. I've avoided contact with the creatures as much as I can. I rarely venture into the inner if I can help it. I've remained as isolated as possible, and I don't have the virus yet which is... unexpected. There are a few of us who have avoided infection, and we've all followed the same pattern. Bare minimum of contact with any other staff. Full protective gear outside of our quarters. Regular hydrostasis immersion - which definitely helps, regardless of what the official stance may be. I haven't removed my gel-mask in 2 years, other than changing the filters. I do feel like it's starting to affect me though. They say a few hours at a time will have no impact on short term memory, but it's cumulative, so. Given the alternative, I'll take the risk. Oh, we have a meeting with the board members from Dreyfus, Santonian and Kovac tomorrow - what's left of them - they want to know why we haven't had any breakthroughs. So easy to demand answers when you're sitting in a bunker in the middle of god knows where. Down here, it isn't so easy. We… we all get it. We may be the last chance there is. Hearsay off.

[eternal talon]

Too late.. the devs already did that for sleeper disintegration

[winter oracle]

Still there is no explanation how Schaeffer can be alive for such a long time

[winter oracle]

Also, maybe I'm missing something on Connor

[eternal talon]

It wouldn't be past when schaeffer was active, could have been holding out the same way he was. Garganta wasn't so infested back then. Hell, biocom was still partially in control sending squads around

[winter oracle]

Didn't Schaeffer making somekind message for us in R1D1? (or C1)

[eternal talon]

There is also no explanation for the schaeffer discrepancy. I just don't really ever theorize on him because his story is Swiss cheese.

[past matrix]

I think it's worth noting that the idea behind Schaeffer was a guy who is on major withdrawl from the drugs they give us and he's having a hard time actually surviving in the complex because he's alone without anything the Warden would give

just an interesting tidbit

[eternal talon]

Alt//, but yes. I forget what it translated to from morse

[winter oracle]

My bet is that devs had some good ideas about lore

But they had to scrap it because they started to make a new game

[eternal talon]

They threw everything out the window in r6

[winter oracle]

In...2020?

[eternal talon]

That was long before they even announced a new game

[winter oracle]

In my opinion, OG R6 lore was great

Schaeffer seeing mimic was great

I don't really like alt r6 lore at all

[eternal talon]

It was totally out of nowhere and changed everything -- the fundamental basic plotline for the game

I know a lot of people really fuckin' hated it

Like, the majority

[winter oracle]

og r5 was pretty dry

[eternal talon]

That's why alt//r6 doesn't have the forced audio logs and what remain are toned down

[past matrix]

i still remember arguing with frostty about unit 22 and the mimic :gatoepico:

[eternal talon]

To be fair that is what the community at the time wanted and played the game for

A lot of people would consider ogr5 peak

[winter oracle]

I was the guy that was listening for all audio logs in og r6

[past matrix]

ogr4 and ogr5 were really shit in terms of lore

[eternal talon]

R6 rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, they just didn't gaf about lore, and still dont

[winter oracle]

I really don't belive that the only humans that left is humans that reside in garganta

[coral gorge]

”deeper” i think

[coral gorge]

There are some people outside

in bunkers and such

[eternal talon]

On og worldline, almost certainly not. There would be pockets hiding in remote regions.

In alt// where the sleepers got out... it's very debatable they could have just had roaming hordes kill all life, I mean look at destination

[coral gorge]

we know even some governments survived for some time after the outbreak

[coral gorge]

I mean we dont know the range of thr sleeper infestation so far

[winter oracle]

I remember log about expedition to find patient zero

[coral gorge]

could still be contained to america

[winter oracle]

They claimed that they were fighting chargers

[coral gorge]

…what

[winter oracle]

And traveled to garganta on some kind ship

[coral gorge]

daylight foughy chargers?

[eternal talon]

From the WHO team? We never heard from them again, presumed dead

[coral gorge]

we did

in R8 theres a log of our team executing them

[eternal talon]

Not daylight, this is WHO team

[winter oracle]

really?

[coral gorge]

Ah

[burnt wren]

We technically did

[eternal talon]

Context?

[coral gorge]

wait there were 2?

[winter oracle]

I wasn't reading any logs from r8

[burnt wren]

There is a log of them being engaged by KSOs

[winter oracle]

So sad that they died to a plot bullets

[burnt wren]

(unfortunately)

[eternal talon]

Og and alt had different teams go search for the source

[burnt wren]

Well, that's your first mistake.

[eternal talon]

Og was scientists under WHO, alt had soldiers under daylight

[coral gorge]

And in R8D1 theres a log of the warden giving our team orders to kill 12 targets

[winter oracle]

People in game a so salty when you try to read logs from terminal

They want to do shooty shooty

[coral gorge]

Ah

Wait then… R8 has WHO team in it

funny

[winter oracle]

So, i'm waiting for complete R8 logs collection

[eternal talon]

🍝

[coral gorge]

Yeah Omega wordline is funny

[eternal talon]

Already on the wiki

[winter oracle]

Whole?

Nice

[coral gorge]

or whatever you wanna call it

[eternal talon]

Like I said, most (the majority) don't care about the story of this game and just play because it is hard.

Giving the slightest fuck about the lore, we are in the minority

[coral gorge]

which is a shame honestly

But i think its partly cause lore is so confusing

[winter oracle]

sad but true

[coral gorge]

if we stuck to the „break free from warden” deal more people would prolly be interested in it

[eternal talon]

I mean given how hard and roundabout the lore is in this game isn't exactly doing it any favors with drawing disinterested people in

They see it as too much of a task

[coral gorge]

Yeah its very unfortunate

[winter oracle]

Anyone has theory about how did the OG team managed to make deployments after R8C2 and D2?

[coral gorge]

Prolly we hacked into some random termi and/or we never return to HSUs after these missions

same as in R7E1

[winter oracle]

we've had extracion in R7E1 didn't we?

[eternal talon]

(I would 100% remove HSU drop/extraction for level start if I could. Doesn't fit for PT)

Just start and end at sec doors

[coral gorge]

Yes i mean like - after D2 we dont go back to hsus and drop straight into E1

[eternal talon]

But it is a limitation afik

[coral gorge]

and after E1 schafer and henri had control of atleast some hsus probably

[winter oracle]

I really miss the feature that we return to HSU

[coral gorge]

Yeah it’d be cool

[eternal talon]

Henrikkson got killed early on by schaeffer

[coral gorge]

I mean in R7

i know

[winter oracle]

Imagine something similar to warframe extraction

[coral gorge]

sad henri noises

[winter oracle]

After realising that I was depressed for 3 days

And learning that alt schaeffer is dead

[eternal talon]

There is ONE extraction tile that is exactly that (unused), but no drop down

[coral gorge]

i meant as in after R7E1 we go back to HSUs cause schafer and henri have control over them

[eternal talon]

And so is og schaef

And us. And everyone else

[coral gorge]

Same

[winter oracle]

I'm still not convinced about all this NAMv stuff

[eternal talon]

(Even if you assume miraculously we aren't infected by the end of e2, we teleport half of kds-deep with us)

[coral gorge]

i wish henri didnt die in such a lame way

[winter oracle]

it is working via some kind of interdimensial rules

[eternal talon]

What is

[winter oracle]

Being so virulent

Ignoring harsh conditions

[coral gorge]

the only way i see us surviving is that we and durant go into hsus after arriving, sleep for like 100 years until nam-v dies out and then wake up and live happily ever after

[winter oracle]

I really think that maybe some virologist can debunk NAMV

[eternal talon]

Well yeah, it can transmit in everything except the vacuum of space where there is literally nothing and can live on surfaces for weeks.

It is an alien bioweapon, as dauda theorized

[coral gorge]

I think several tried here

[winter oracle]

bioweapon that has compatability with EVERY living being in any dimenstion

[coral gorge]

and i believe several failed

[winter oracle]

thats weird

[eternal talon]

Wdym debunk? Also @rocky wraith

[coral gorge]

I mean thats its job as a bio weapon

kill everything

die

and thats it

[eternal talon]

Beanz is our biologist

[winter oracle]

it a virus

[rocky wraith]

Me

[eternal talon]

He has said before it is basically 100% a bioweapon

[winter oracle]

That can adapt to any living being

[eternal talon]

100% lethal too. No cure, no chance of survival, even if you "beat it", it will go dormant in your system and awake again without warning

[coral gorge]

What else can it be than a bioweapon? The chances of it being a natural occurencr are way too low

[winter oracle]

It can be a bioweapon

[rocky wraith]

It’s a bioweapon, all the evidence is there it was engineered

[winter oracle]

But it is a plot armor bioweapon

[coral gorge]

wdym

[winter oracle]

Without any downsides

[eternal talon]

The plot wouldn't exist if that weren't the case

Lmao

[coral gorge]

…yeah cause it was engineered to work like that

[coral gorge]

also yeah

[winter oracle]

NAMV is a Mary Sue of all biowepons, viruses

[eternal talon]

It would be a fuckin' roblox mining tycoon game

[coral gorge]

If it wasnt a super virus the plot would look way diffrent

[rocky wraith]

And it is possible to make such in real life with sufficient knowledge

[coral gorge]

Beanz is actually working on one right now

[eternal talon]

(Oh God questioning credibility time)

[winter oracle]

yes

[rocky wraith]

XP nah I wish

[winter oracle]

BEANZ-V

[eternal talon]

Didn't you drop everything to instead pursue RAF or something?

[rocky wraith]

The genetic editiing techniques of the virus to manipulate so much is insane, although possible given how fast we’ve advanced in the last few years with crispr

[rocky wraith]

Yup!

[eternal talon]

Molecular biologist in the royal air force is quite a different field

[winter oracle]

RAF? Royal Air Force? (sorry)

[rocky wraith]

Loved genetic engineering! But I also love maritime air patrol stuff

[rocky wraith]

Yup!

[rocky wraith]

Similar in overlaps with systems understandings

[coral gorge]

Mans gonna make biological planes

[winter oracle]

living planes made from ants

[eternal talon]

drop biological bombs

[coral gorge]

we are laughing at the british now, but in a couple years they will suprise us

[rocky wraith]

Oh! You read Children of Time too?

[winter oracle]

yes

Great book

But I'm afraid about reading new one

It it good?

[eternal talon]

Beanz, can you also comment on the nam-v vs infection fog/disinfection debate?

[rocky wraith]

Children of ruin is brilliant as well! But the final one is meh. The lords of uncreation series is much better imo

[eternal talon]

Either the syringes (and thus infection fog) aren't nam-v, or disinfection stations aren't disinfecting

[winter oracle]

thank you, I'm gonne read them soon then

[eternal talon]

... intrusive thought,
Do baby sleepers have tongues? And if so, they have the same range as adults... where the fuck do they fit it?

[rocky wraith]

I have no idea how that works tbh

[coral gorge]

uh... guess they work like frogs? or some shit

[eternal talon]

What, like spring coiled or some shit? Don't sleeper tongues bend in mid-air to hit you? If so they've gotta be rigid with muscles, and they are supposed to be mutated from tongues... where did the babies (and the mothers) Get all the material for that

[rocky wraith]

Nonono, blood rearrangement

[eternal talon]

What does that mean?

[rocky wraith]

Like it’s a small sac until they force blood in from the rest of the body to massively increase volume

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

But like they have hooks in them

And the ones on giants are huge

[coral gorge]

sleeper biology is confusing

change my mind

[eternal talon]

Also we do have a pic of a sleeper corpse somewhere with a tongue semi-extended

[cold sphinx]

One thing ive been showering thoughts too

If the light system were to malfunction in which it regularly does in the complex

Where the plantation get their light from to grow that much

@eternal talon

I mean moss and ferns i can understand but

[versed parcel]

There’s the newish gore pile that first shows on R8B1 that has the tongue distended

[eternal talon]

Nah, also existed in older rundowns

[glad pivot]

What really happen on R8D2
ALT Schaeffer come to OG Worldline with MWP and get killed by OG Schaeffer right? then why ALT Schaeffer said "did you use MWP? that must be why we're seeing anomalies" the one who should say this is OG Schaeffer ?

[winter oracle]

guys

I got warn

[winter oracle]

ALT S (the good one) killed by OG S (weird one)

[glad pivot]

I know that but it's not make sense when ALT Schaeffer said "did you use MWP?" when the one who should travel to OG worldline is ALT Schaeffer and it's doesn't has a reason for OG Schaeffer to use MWP

[royal crow]

they never used the MWP to travel to other worldline on purpose

[winter oracle]

there is no alt or og wordline anymore

all wordlines are merged

[royal crow]

not all

but a lot of them

[winter oracle]

yes

correct

[royal crow]

theres at least 10+ worldlines merged

[glad pivot]

so ALT Schaeffer carry MWP to OG Schaeffer and the we steal it?

[winter oracle]

you always carry most valuable thing everywhere and DON'T carry a gun

[royal crow]

i dont think he was carrying the MWP to OG schaeffer

[winter oracle]

Ah yes

[royal crow]

he had the MWP and was probably heading to KDS deep and stopped on the reactor to try to fix it

then Og schaeffer came

[winter oracle]

ALT S wanted to meet with Alt team

[royal crow]

yes

[winter oracle]

take them with him and GTFO out of garganta

[royal crow]

he says it on D1

[glad pivot]

oh that make sense

[winter oracle]

and then proceeeds to "DUMB WAYS TO DIE"

no words, only emotions

Guess a word game

[royal crow]

is that Discord light mode?

[winter oracle]

with IRC mode

[winter oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

[royal crow]

im going to send you to the funny dimension

[winter oracle]

Listen, I can defend myself

I haven't seen any books in my life

That has white letters and black background

Still, if you gonna send me

Please send me to clown dimension

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-pomni-digital-circus-crying-gif-6877417301215952804

[royal crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185016213949124668/1185016312917925888/Black_Green_Space_Discord_Avatar.gif?ex=658e1371&is=657b9e71&hm=6be0da1e3369ba072ed92180160a58deb28e576c12fc412d9a854eec3e03a4a6&

you are going straight into Garganta

[winter oracle]

That has clowns insted of sleepers?

[royal crow]

||clown sleepers||

[winter oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[eternal talon]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[drowsy roost]

Yeah I woudn't think too much about the gardens... I doubt the Warden has the KSO's out there gardening...

Def one of those "don't look too closely" kinda deals

[drowsy roost]

I think it was a joke, same as the mr truth log in the training area — but it is implied that there was some kind of testing on humans in the logs — so it might be possible KSO's were forced to fight the creatures to observe their behaviour — but given how much of the complex was overrun when hammerstein was alive, I'm sure they'd have plenty of data already...

[runic marsh]

what's the purpose of the hearsay system? why not just record messages the usual way, without the need to have a synthetic voice. I'm referring to the R8 weird impersonations that happened a few times.

[final sentinel]

The Vogen Intercom system you mean, hearsay’s are just normal voice recordings

Vogen idk why it was created but I can only assume it was meant for exactly what the team used it for-encoding your voice as to be anonymous

[runic marsh]

what for

[final sentinel]

No idea lmao

[clear shale]

VoGen is probably just a PSA system lol

HearSay seems to be a method for more permanent storage of messages you intend someone to read later whereas VoGen is for the now

[burnt wren]

HearSay is just digital diary, but all data is send directly to KOVAC while BIOCOM scans it for any suspicious slip ups.
A.k.a. 1984.

This VoGen shit... Yeah, that's something else.

[gray veldt]

Question: Is every time a matter wave collapse occurs a timeline/dimension is combining to another one?

[cold sphinx]

It falls on top of each other

[past matrix]

yeah if you consider like

the blue being the matter wave

it's separating dimensions together right

but if one of the blue lines disappears then you have several merging into each other

it's not all of the dimensions merging but just the select few that did because of the collapse

fortunately it doesn't seem like the MWP alone can cause a collapse? considering the collapse only happens because the dimensional tethers get super fucked up (which were probably being powered by the MWP) possibly as a result of the Complex going to shit in r7e1

[stoic stratus]

r8e2 was so good, does anyone know if there was a terminal at the end?

ran out of time looking around

[royal crow]

no

[lilac island]

vogen probably was used for stuff like "employee X report to administrator X" or smthng like that

[clear shale]

yeah, PSA system

[mortal flower]

So uh...i recently finished R8e1, ||is Schaffer a traitor ?||

[clear shale]

||No, not exactly||

[royal crow]

no

now play the 2nd part of R8

[mortal flower]

on B3 for now, ||he's just being quite sus||

[royal crow]

remember

thats not the same schaeffer as A1-E1

[drowsy furnace]

That’s the same one from r7 correct?

[clear furnace]

Anybody have the new log in R1D1?