gtfo-lore

[chilly smelt]

Free for all would be even better in this game with anti player turrets

[crisp citrus]

r8a1 has us retrieve HSU's and put them on one of those shipping cars

then engage in a chase scene while driving it to extraction

[eternal talon]

stuff like OG snatcher from the old old trailer and unknown creature from soundtrack video were also abandoned and later repurposed

[crisp citrus]

r8b1 has us turn on a disinfection machine to clean the HSU's from a1

c1 has us retrieve a matter wave projector and set it to the new earth

[cunning light]

[crisp citrus]

d1 is us sending the HSU's through the matter wave projector

e1 is us fighting og timeline schaeffer

finishing with a final boss on scale of kraken

[chilly smelt]

Bold of you to suggest there would only be 1 of each letter

[eternal talon]

haha, i wish. right now their prototype is just a mash of a teleporter room and the KDS-Deep storage zone

[cunning light]

Ah, the "Schaeffer is the ultimate boss" theory

[crisp citrus]

the others at that letter level will be side things like retrieving decontamination tanks etc

[chilly smelt]

Ah yes the poor starving infected man is the final boss

[crisp citrus]

nah i was thinking like

[eternal talon]

i'm optimistically hopeful they are hiding new tiles and stuff that they haven't added to the code yet.

[crisp citrus]

og schaeffer brings his army of revolutionaries to our timeline

and in e1 you fight them off

e2 you join them to fight warden

[chilly smelt]

You defeat warden by putting a fork bomb in a terminal

[crisp citrus]

it'd be cool if they made multiple endings in the form of e1/e2/e3 etc

you beat it by tossing a c foam grenade at the cooling fan

then it overheats and wardens gpu melts

[eternal talon]

i hope not. if anything, i'd much rather side with him than the warden, even if it's futile. rather live on a dead earth ala og worldline than in a glass cage for some alien civilization to gawk at

[crisp citrus]

i want the og schaeffer vs warden schaeffer showdown

one corrupted by nam-v, the other made into a warden controlled cyborg

[burnt wren]

Small possibility something like that might actually happen

Unfortunately we'll probablyu only hear it on an audio log, and not see it for ourselves

Because this game has no cutscenes to speak of

[cunning light]

Like a cinematic cutscene ?

Could be interesting ; the Unity engine definitely allows for it

But I doubt this would "meld" into the gameplay well

[eternal talon]

before i thought cutscenes weren't possible in gtfo, then brandon made this, so i don't even know what to think anymore

so while really unlikely, its still a possiblity i guess. not sure if they'd dedicate the development time for it now though

[cunning light]

GTFO x Mario Galaxy ?

That is a LOT of membranes to explore !!

[eternal talon]

i guess. saw it on the modding server a couple days ago and was blown away

[cunning light]

Well, there are quite a few in Green Hell, which is also a first person Unity game (you can even find some plants in GTFO Gardens that come from the same asset library)

[eternal talon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/815370/Green_Hell/ this one?

[cunning light]

Yup ; I just removed the embed not to advertise for another game here

[eternal talon]

never heard of it. looks a bit like ARK

[cunning light]

What is funny is that the plants they used in Gardens are from South America, where GH takes place

And kind of makes sense, with the Complex location

[eternal talon]

off the coast in middle-america

[cunning light]

Yeah, but close enough

[past matrix]

i had this one idea i was planning on playing around with a long time ago

basically, the first? audio changing mod allowed for video to be changed as well from what I remember

the idea was that there's already videos that play inside of GTFO and you could maybe change them to add cutscenes in-game

[lilac island]

frosty

do you have opinions on the lore implications of secondary obvectives

also what is up with 2 scheaffers

[eternal talon]

Personally I think they are canon... if I recall correctly some of them include stuff that are required for later in the progress of the story, but I am not sure on that.

[lilac island]

any reasoning behind why they are optional

apart from gameplay

[eternal talon]

What do you mean?

We are in the alt// worldline. Alt//r6 is the alt// schaeffer. Our own schaeffer is also down here with us somewhere, as he got transported with our squad and whatever else

[lilac island]

you said there are 2 of them and i don't understand how

[eternal talon]

No. Honestly there shouldn't be optionals, because either bicom commands you to do something or it doesn't, and there is no way our squad would willingly do that shit

[eternal talon]

What do you mean? There is also alt// versions of our squad, and everyone and anyone else

For all intense and purposes, alt// is a different universe

That universe has its own people, it's own versions of us included

There are also the corpses of alt bishop and dauda in alt//r6cx if you don't believe me

[lilac island]

So the og team and Schaefer went to alt

[eternal talon]

(Or maybe it was woods, not bishop?

And bishop's mask was found in the alt// ef01 landing platform

[lilac island]

Yeah I've seen em

[eternal talon]

And maybe also henrikkson and whoever else

There are also different versions of the warden

[lilac island]

How did we go to alt

And why is r7 og

If everything else is alt

How do we cross a universe to play it

[eternal talon]

I mean... have you booted your game in the past year?

It says in the menu

[eternal talon]

We don't know. Sometime during or after r7e1

[eternal talon]

Warden pulled some bullshit to undo all of schaeffer's progress. In our og worldline, schaeffer had tapped into biocom and had direct control of us.

In alt//, we were set back to r1

[burnt wren]

My man pulled a RESET REQUEST

[eternal talon]

Hm?

What's that

[radiant root]

the warden said, not in my reality

[eternal talon]

I should clarify;

In order, it goes r1-r7 then alt//r1 - alt// r6 and we don't know where r8 will go yet.

Og r1-r6 are still Canon, but are unplayable

[eternal talon]

So if someone new to the game would want to play in the Canon order... assuming they didn't mod to play the OG rundowns, they'd start with r7 then go to alt//r1-alt//r6

[burnt wren]

That was the command to request a rundown progress wipe, for people who experienced "no apparel on expedition completion" bug.

[eternal talon]

Ah

I wonder where r8 will be in terms of difficulty

Given its the last of gtfo, I assume they'd want it playable fully to all, Ala 1.0 ogr6

They might underpower it in terms of difficulty

[burnt wren]

They are on record saying R5 difficulty was a mistake. So maybe like rundown 4, tops.

[eternal talon]

Really? Where might I ask

(I'd still say r4 is notorious for its difficulty)

[burnt wren]

Don't know myself, but that's what I heard.

[lilac island]

i want something new for r8

a new objective

what if the objective was to blow a hole through a zone's walls for access to another part of the complex without going through a perilous path

with explosives

[burnt wren]

Acquire blood sample from a teammate (by shooting him)

[lilac island]

something new

[fresh gyro]

Real

[eternal talon]

Cutting through a giant door Ala og trailer

[lilac island]

aything

too often we're carrying things

or finding random items

[eternal talon]

Collect welding fuel from the level then get to burning

[cunning light]

I would love to see that.
Collect the DoorCutter in Z205
Force the door to Z210 open and rescue Schaeffer
Proceed to the warp gate and reach Destination

[eternal talon]

Or a series of doors to a big bunker where you slowly make progress forward with hordes chasing you in

Hell, how about a blast from the past -- an ancient idea, getting an underground tram running and riding it to a new part of the level

[burnt wren]

Desync issue will be real, unless they do same thing warframe did: the map moves, characters stay.

...or an old fashioned cutscene will do

[cunning light]

I would love to see events such as "the team moves through a Security Door, but actually warp to another membrane", over and over again

R6D4 in overdrive

But it would probably eat all your computer memory if you want to include many different environments, and would probably not even be possible ?

[chilly smelt]

So is the alt team dead and we’re still the original crew

[eternal talon]

yes

[chilly smelt]

L alt team I guess

At least they made it far

[eternal talon]

no, they didn't. they died before even r1a1. schaeffer watched them die to a horde of sleepers surrounding a unit

that's why alt// starts with us at r1a1

[chilly smelt]

But they’re in r6?

[eternal talon]

this is a giant underground complex... not a series of linear mario levels

them being in r6 doesnt really mean anything

[chilly smelt]

Yeah but those are two different spots no?

[eternal talon]

nah, better pic on the wiki. they both got wiped next to the unit

[chilly smelt]

I meant that r1a1 is no where close to there or am I wrong

[eternal talon]

no you are correct

garganta is a giant complex. we can get basically anywhere in the complex at any time if we have a reason to.

them "being in r6" doesn't mean anything. they weren't doing r6, they were just at that location where r6 happens to go by

[chilly smelt]

Ah

Also wouldn’t that mean that the other two are still alive somewhere

[eternal talon]

we dont know

but a squad of two probably isn't going to last very long

[chilly smelt]

Imagine we find their corpses in alt 7

[eternal talon]

we dont know how long these two have been dead, half a decade at least

[eternal talon]

there will be no alt//r7.

next rundown is r8 and that will be it. the last gtfo content

[chilly smelt]

Oh

[chilly smelt]

Odd that they haven’t decayed

[eternal talon]

neither have any of the other corpses really.

garganta fell about a decade ago

[chilly smelt]

Fair point, but at least they look damaged

[eternal talon]

that damage isnt due to decay though, its from NAMV.

[chilly smelt]

Maybe namv preserves corpses or something

[eternal talon]

nam-v preserves the parasite, which these corpses don't have, otherwise they've ended up as sleepers

[lilac island]

Damn

[plush nest]

I mean could be the environmental conditions some how

[lilac island]

Based on the frosted glass everywhere in the labs it seems to be pretty cold

[cunning light]

I like to think of the fog as a cooling gas of some sort, blown throughout the Complex

[lilac island]

Expand on that concept it sounds cool

[lilac island]

It would probably be chilly

Underground the temperature is very stable and fairly low in comparison to human body temperature

We can see this in our proud default clothing. Our guy is wearing a puffer vest because it's chilly

Also we are always covered head to toe in clothes. Even shorts have spandex or thermal underwear underneath

Ironically the only source of heat would be the biomass

[crisp citrus]

What is the biomass

[harsh pike]

i thought these were from the parasite

they look like they died part way into transforming

with the head splitting open

[eternal talon]

Nope, this is just natural for the virus. It starts these mutations, the parasite just takes them further.

One of the ogr6 logs from the outside world mentions some of these changes

[harsh pike]

ahh

[lilac island]

So like

Imagine cancer

Make it 1000 times bigger

Make it able to birth sleepers

[crisp citrus]

Lame

Hyper cancer is weak

Just get a detox station and spray it everywhere

[lilac island]

It's just a massive pile of meat

[crisp citrus]

Then slow roast it

[lilac island]

That spews out stuff

You could

Honestly

[crisp citrus]

Could smoke it

It's in an enclosed space

[lilac island]

Parasite egg omelette

[crisp citrus]

Just smoke the meat

[warm burrow]

striker bbq grill

[lilac island]

Sleeper meat grill

[crisp citrus]

If u were real crazy you could plant a bunch of mines under it and dig your way to the core

[lilac island]

Don't think it has a core

It's just meat

With a lovecraftian twist

Because the mass itself will take action t eliminate you

I always thought like. How would shooters black objects taste like

They look like big grapes

I wanna pluck one off a dead shooter and take a bite

See if they're bouncy

Also what are they made of even

What human tissue is black like that

[raw terrace]

is it human tissue

i mean i guess thinkin about it

[warm burrow]

necrotic tissue?

[crisp citrus]

Mutant?

Tumors I guess

I mean they literally shoot orange magic seeking missile stuff at you so idk how based in anatomy it is

[plush nest]

Just a bouncy ball

[bronze inlet]

I'm not an IPM expert, so I have a quick question for the lore masters. How does the infection fog infect players if they are all wearing gas masks?

[cobalt mulch]

particle masks, not gas- .. also exposed skin

[bronze inlet]

They just look very sophisticated for just particle respirators

[lilac island]

Fog too thick for filter to remove it from your air intake

Yes this is probably not how masks work irl

But that's the best we have

The masks are honestly pretty bad at their job

At least they let plenty of air in

Also don't gas masks also just have particle filtration

With extra steps

I'm pretty sure you can get gas masks with your typical average particle filter

Then you can go into tier 2 with activated charcoal to trap chemicals

Then you can go into tier 3 which i think uses a catalyst to help remove carbon monoxide

[burnt wren]

Its one of those "video game mechanic more than anything else" things. We don't even know what the fog is supposed to be, so we can't even begin to speculate.
At best it can be assumed that infection sips in through direct skin contact and masks do jack shit against it.

[lilac island]

Well

Funny you should mention that mister artek

Because you only get infected when your head is below the fog

Also many intercepted comms just say "this shit gets in your lungs"

I think it's pretty confirmed to say that the infection is coming through the mask

[burnt wren]

Which just opens all the more questions

Like why are we even wearing them in the first place

[lilac island]

Honestly. I think we can go the metro route here and simply say that we're using very old mask filters that have been fitted and refitted over and over again, and they lose effectiveness with each clean

The masks look sick. And they are. But the mask is only as good as the filter you attach, and the complex fell 10 years ago

Mask filters probably ran out 8 years ago

So we're using Extremely old and worn down filters that don't do great against a high amount of particles

Aka fog

Boom roasted

Filters last from 12 to 72 hiurs depending on the environment

So you're probably going through 3 filters per person a week

At least

[wary portal]

@eternal talon remember how the facility began to shut down after a giant explosion

Do we know what caused that explosion

[burnt wren]

It was - presumably, as according to some evidence there and there - some sort of energy weapon fired from down below. The beams were precision fired at hotspots where KOVAC were engaging sleeper hordes after Hammerstein's sound experiment failure. Apparently he found a sound that aggravates sleepers and decided to play it VERY LOUDLY, to make sure they really hear it, and record the reaction.

My best guess: "they" were trying to stop sleepers from overrunning Garganta right then and there, since that would completely destroy their ability to utilise the assets of Garganta for whatever it is they're doing.

[coral gorge]

seems like the aliens are shit at aiming then

also i wish we got to hear more of Hammerstein

he was such a cool guy that single handedly causes the events of the game

[harsh saffron]

I mean the log that talks about the explosion makes it sound like they were aiming pretty well for a giant alien laser. They could have easily flooded the entire facility but they didn't. (They just didn't want to have Andrew Clinton around I guess ^^)

Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous.

[lilac island]

Allen doomsday device designed to nuke the contagion into oblivion through a massive, massive firey explosion

It failed

[wary portal]

When you really hate someone

Where can the log be found

[lilac island]

Wiki

Has em all

[harsh saffron]

That's one of the Santonian website exclusive ones
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_2.0_Logs#21B-789-RD4.LOG

[cunning light]

I wish they would find the time to add a few more of those

[coral gorge]

didnt kill all sleepers = bad aim

aliens had a skill issue

[harsh saffron]

True

[burnt wren]

To be fair they probably can't without nuking the whole place into a one big crater.

They just needed to save facility.

[lilac island]

Why

That's stupid

Just nuke garganta and save the rest of the world

It's less of a tragedy than allowing the virus to spread

[raw terrace]

the virus was already, out n spreadin by the time they saw, stuff was happening

so eh

it wouldve gone through garganta workers to, u in ur house

i see u

[lilac island]

What does that even mean

[raw terrace]

put ur feet down from the table

[lilac island]

What

No

You can't make me

Why do i hear scratching

[raw terrace]

put ur feet down ur makin the table dirty >:[

[lilac island]

Why is my face itchy

[loud urchin]

facial hair (shave it off)

[burnt wren]

I don't think saving human race was ever aliens' priority.

[lilac island]

Why transfer us

[burnt wren]

Good question, actually.

Why now?

[lilac island]

I was expecting you to say they're lying

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-i-dont-know-idk-i-never-thought-id-get-this-far-gif-15489594

[burnt wren]

It's one of the possibilities.

[plush nest]

But then why would they lie to us? What benefit does that have? The only reason that I can think of is getting is to collect everything for them with the promise of taking us with them

[burnt wren]

I think they're trying to get around Schaeffer.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we got reset when Schaf got what he wanted.

[eternal talon]

Projekt Thermonuclear, am I right?

[eternal talon]

Getting schaeffer to stop breaking their shit and trying to steal their best squad

[lilac island]

What if the story is just a loop

Of Scheaffer getting constantly reset

[eternal talon]

Groundhog day is a good story not because of the repeating day, but of him finally finding a way to stop it.

[lilac island]

Who said the story has to be good

[eternal talon]

Okay... well... you could always hope

[burnt wren]

I do.

[lilac island]

Calm down there john wick

[burnt wren]

Ironic

[coral gorge]

you think they'd put john wick in an HSU and make him a KSO?

or atleast try to

[burnt wren]

My man already coughed up his lungs in the streets of new York, me thinks.

[crisp citrus]

they'd never catch him

at this point hes probably the strongest sleeper

[normal abyss]

the babayega (i don’t want to look up how it’s spelled)

[burnt wren]

put space after baba and swap e for a and you're golden

[raw terrace]

baba space yaga

C:

[normal abyss]

John wick = Babyyoda

[eternal talon]

interesting new info on r8 on the official website...

also @dull crest the website has some errors. Dauda's description box abruptly ends and is cut off. The C-foam launcher is also the only tool whose icon is backwards... i'm not sure if it is that way in game or not. wierd regardless

[raw terrace]

is it new info i could swear was always there

[harsh pike]

thats always been there

[eternal talon]

has it? even with the levels shown?

[harsh pike]

yeah the fuzzed out a's and 2 bs

every time they release a new alt they show it

[burnt wren]

The icon might be backwards, but technically speaking - is it the correct icon orientation as it looks in the same direction as all other tools on that picture (which is left).
The canister bit is the back and its what the character uses as a stock.

If anything its weird that its mirrored in the game. Probably because whoever put it in thought it was either more aesthetically pleasing that way, or he also wrongly assumed what's a barrel and what's a stock because its hard to tell with the foamer.
Especially the 45 degrees grip - the conventional gun designs suggest it should be the trigger grip, but apparently its just the stabilising forward grip?... That looks awkward as fuck to hold.

Alright, i've dropped into the game to check - and its actually the same there.

Which is correct.

It LOOKS mirrored because of how weird the design of foamer is. From far away it looks like a fat ass assault rifle with the fat side looking like the barrel(s), but its exactly the opposite - the little hose on the left is the actual "barrel".

[lilac island]

wait rly?

[burnt wren]

Old news

They showed that picture every time they deploy new alt.

[lilac island]

it was

is this wrong on just my screen or did whoever make the site forget to finish the sentence

oh lol you posted that already

interesting choice for a hardhat advertisement. https://shop.gtfothegame.com/cdn/shop/products/IMG_0025-4_600x.jpg?v=1638478952

why is he wearing gtfo underwear

why is he only wearing gtfo underwear

[craggy widget]

Why are you not is the better question.

[lilac island]

because that looks uncomfortable as hell

also i don't even think they sell undies

like whuh

[burnt wren]

My man looks like an AI picture

[lilac island]

i feel bad for him

why did they

what was even the point here

take a close up of his head

why did you have to take a full body shot of him with his underwear on and why are there gtfo underwear

who came up with this

[cunning light]

Now. There could be a large number of membranes in which our squad of 4 was composed of the usual suspects : Woods, Dauda, Hackett and Bishop.
But surely, there must exist others in which they did not get together and were unable to find that chad synergy.
Could that not explain the membrane we get teleported back to, at the end of Alt://R6CX ?
Maybe these two corpses we see are from yet another membrane, and there are actually two, three, or a hundred different versions of our squad, involved in as many (or even travelling through) different membranes, trying to save humanity, or what is left of it.

You have one hour.

[burnt wren]

I mean... Yeah, that's canon.

Alt lads are not the same as originals. No one in alts is.

[cunning light]

But what if Alt:// is not just one membrane, but multiple ones

[burnt wren]

I went through every duplicated log. Everyone in ALT is notably more talkative and unhinged, save for few exceptions.

[cunning light]

Especially when it comes to Alt://R6 ones

[burnt wren]

Alt Schaeffer is notably smarter than original one. Or wise, at the very least.

So our squad being Chads us currently a compromised theory.

On one hand: it's still possible that these 4, specifically, are the most powerful variants of themselves.

[cunning light]

Maybe they "chose" that in the membrane we jump to in some of the later expeditions of Alt://R6, we find (or get closer) to a membrane where the chances for survival are higher

[burnt wren]

On another we know for a fact that many missions are bullshit hard and next to impossible to beat blind.

[cunning light]

(I know, I want to believe)

[burnt wren]

We also know for a fact people are experiencing ghosts memories of other selves. Mr Truth... Woods... I think Dauda got some hints too.

So another theory rises that the reason our squad is so OP is because they got that second hand meta knowledge.

[cunning light]

That would tend to prove the clone theory, or at the very least some kind of resonance / sensible ripple effect throughout membranes

[still mural]

You're saying that the warden has hundreds of copies of our prisoners and passes on the previous knowledge of the ones who died to the next?

[cunning light]

This would be the Clone theory

[burnt wren]

Not necessarily passes.

[cunning light]

More like A.I learning

[burnt wren]

Mr Truth had nothing to do with facility, aside from being a massive pain in the ass of counter intelligence department.

[cunning light]

Lore does make mentions of "generations" of KSOs

[burnt wren]

Yet he kept recalling dates wrong. An audio recording he never heard before. Or maybe he did?

Something wacky is going on with alternative dimensions. They appear to be leaking into each other.

[still mural]

Mind you the prisoners are part of "The Legion" so there are possibly hundreds of them

[cunning light]

Legion was the original design

The goal was to replace it with RISE

[burnt wren]

So there's a chance our guys have premonitions of what's to come. "Why am I bringing Cfoam to this level? I don't know, but I feel like I really should".
Or
"Wait, don't open that door!"
"Why not?"
"I got a bad feeling..."

[cunning light]

There are indeed mentions of KSOs using C-foam to reinforce a door during a mission, even though they should not have thought of it as an asset

I still cannot make a complete sense of the log that can be found in Alt R2B2, named 000-000-000

Is it a list of the Complex employees, in a single membrane ? But there are many duplicates (a lot).
Or is it a list of them still "available" throughout the membranes ? (in HSUs maybe)

[still mural]

Looks like I need to play r6cx

[burnt wren]

R6 in general. Then R7.

Rundowns 1 through 5 only have logs.

[coral gorge]

yeah lore gets funky in ALT R6 and R7

especially ALT R6 now

[loud urchin]

I'm curious what we'll get in r8

Whether it'll be satisfying, who knows

[solemn kraken]

The inner as a new biome, 1 or 2 new enemies

final bossfight

[loud urchin]

Thinking more so about if there'll be any resolution or explanation

[burnt wren]

Fingers crossed for inner, they can't blue ball us with it

[loud urchin]

Or if it'll end as a giant open ended fuck you

[solemn kraken]

I mean they capable of it

[burnt wren]

A coin toss honestly. We just have to wait.

[still mural]

Where can I find the lore behind alt rundowns

[loud urchin]

There's a pinned document in this channel that explains the basics

[solemn kraken]

Pinned doc does not have it?

[burnt wren]

In the pinned doc probably

[loud urchin]

And all the logs are on the wiki

[burnt wren]

Tldr: we jumped dimensions after Rundown 7

Alts are literally alternate dimensions of what has already happened.

Why, how, what for - no one knows, only speculations.

[cunning light]

At first I thought it was a single version of what we experience in the OG Rundown. But I am not so sure anymore

Alt://R6 messed by brain up.

[burnt wren]

Who knows honestly, writers have the final word. They can literally say anything and it'll count.

[radiant root]

what is the inner

[coral gorge]

the alien ship

also known as the asteroid to wipe out dinosaurs

but in GTFO it was actually an alien ship

[eternal talon]

does not have what

[eternal talon]

read the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel

[lilac island]

alien spaceship in the depths of the facility

very large one

the area in which it's located is called the inner

not necessarily the ship i think

or its parts

What i also want to know is what the devs are trying to tell us with the menus

Why is r4's schematic red below C tier
Why does the fog change colors and intensity with each rundown, seemingly regardless of depth
Why do some rundown sections lack schematics

Also why is every INTEL of each level seemingly telling prisoners to just "probe deeper"/explore

Is the warden looking for something while making us do all these objectives? are rundowns without a clear goal just treasure hunts for a mcguffin?

2 3 4 and 5 seem to have clear goals that interact with each other

but 1 6 and 7 are just "probe deeper" and explore

[cunning light]

The hint is to get to KDS Deep, where the party's out (or at least, a very large number of sleeping KSOs)

Which you get to in R5E1

[lilac island]

i know that

[cunning light]

In R6 there are no longer mentions of "going deeper" unless I am mistaken

[lilac island]

1 is exploration and leads to 2
2 and 3 are the same
4 leads to 5 and 5 is the kds deep

r5 actually mentions that access was granted for r4

does the warden just come up with strategies depending on what we find down there? it seems like it

[cunning light]

In R7 we learn that if you go deeper, the Warden will likely have trouble sending you objectives, due to the stronger magnetic field

[lilac island]

the stronger magnetic field?

that's the least reasonable explaination ever

[cunning light]

Hence the scrumbled objective stacks we get

[radiant root]

???

[cunning light]

No, we know that the chip inserted in our brain is vulnerable to magnetic interference

[radiant root]

was it not the whole story of r7: taking control of the warden. hence the data garbling

[cunning light]

I do not remember of the exact log for it

[lilac island]

what is causing the magnetic field then

cause it's not the earth i'm telling you that

[cunning light]

Earth core would be one

No ?

[lilac island]

we go like 2km into the earth

that's nothing

barely any difference from the surface

the magnetic field should be basically identical

[radiant root]

i don’t think i’ve ever read and encountered anything about magnetic interference

[cunning light]

Maybe it resonate on Cretasium (invoking plot armor here)

[lilac island]

the funny special new material?

[eternal talon]

No! Biocom =/= warden

[lilac island]

biocom is a skin suit that the warden wears

[radiant root]

potato potato

[eternal talon]

during r7 schaeffer wanted -- and eventually succeeded -- in getting partial control over the biocom system.

warden also controls this system -- thats how it controls us

we work for biocom, NOT the warden.

[lilac island]

we work for the warden, which is giving us order through biocom

[eternal talon]

by the end of r7 and before alt//, there were two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings -- ours

[lilac island]

biocom is the inbetween guy from us and the warden

[eternal talon]

if biocom was broken, no the fuck we wouldn't.

[radiant root]

i get that, semantics aside the boss of my boss is my boss

[lilac island]

yes

[eternal talon]

it has functionally zero control over us without biocom

[lilac island]

semantics i agree

yes

biocom is like a computer that a programmer uses

the computer is vital for anything to happen

but the programmer is the one doing everything

the programmer controls the program

the warden controls us using biocom as the strings

the strings are necessary but don't move on their own

[eternal talon]

it's how schaeffer broke free in our original worldline. his squad was wiped out and warden figured him for dead so stopped issuing new orders to his stack. he eventually wandered far enough away to get enough control to take out his chip -- the same practice he used with henrikkson, a clear objective stack, and removing the chip

[lilac island]

oooo

i like that one

that makes so much sense

[radiant root]

appreciate it

[eternal talon]

its not a theory

[lilac island]

it's an explaination

i also don't like some things that are set in stone in the lore

[eternal talon]

you hear in the audio logs during r6, he knows exactly what he's doing. he tried to with maddox, but he didn't understand how to wake people correctly from hydrostasis

[lilac island]

i would like to know what went wrong there

[eternal talon]

eh, we just gotta do the best with what we've got

[lilac island]

seems kinda funny

"ayo wake up"

[cunning light]

HSUs are probably not made to be forced open

[lilac island]

WWE wrestling ensures

[eternal talon]

you need your plant juice or brain go slush slush

[lilac island]

your what

[cunning light]

They are likely set up to deliver a whole package of drugs before actually open up

[eternal talon]

absoloutely not.

would hella kill the subject

[lilac island]

kill

i guess would make reanimation impossible

it's extremely frightening how instantly HSUs work

Dauda and bishop were mid sentence and then the HSU closed and snap just like that

they were frozen

instantly

no way to resist it

[eternal talon]

yes. without the hydrokenetic fluid being administered while waking from hydrostasis, your brain will melt.

lemme go fetch schaeffer's audio log

[lilac island]

your brain specifically?

hm

[eternal talon]

**Okay, come on John… you can fix this!
Notes… Notes, notes, notes, notes…
Here… hydrostasis revival…

“Before the synthiotic fluid transfusion begins,
a hydrokinetic solution must be administered to prevent…
catastrophic neocortical tissue collapse.
Without it, the subject will become violent and exhibit uncontrolled…”

“The solution is automatically administered by the D.I. controller
prior to the reanimation procedure. However, should the HSU be isolated
from a capable interface, the solution must be administered manually.”

Manually? Oh… Maddox. Okay, where do I get it?

Preparation… no… procedure… research! Let’s see…
“The study of hydrokinetic energy production in plants has provided a foundation for synthesizing hydrokinetic solution and other revival…”

Plants! Yes! That’s why they’re everywhere! Okay. That’s a plan!**

this was immediately after maddox' death

[lilac island]

hm ok

nice

[harsh pike]

the KSO's being brainwashed is so touch-and-go in the lore

some logs talk about how they will literally not do ANYTHING out of their objective stack, not even hold a conversation with yout

then there's our 4, who get dropped off where they're not supposed to be, and go grab a trojan and jam it into biocom

wouldn't good KSO's just sit and wait? ignore schaeffer entirely?

then there's a mission description of another group where one dude flat out refuses to go through a door, so another one shoots him so they can progress

how can he do that if he's brainwashed

[lilac island]

i also really dont understand this

[harsh pike]

There's no way our 4 at least are brainwashed, we would not be doing half the shit we do

[lilac island]

in destination the KSOs literally were unable to consider an alternative despite being completely out of range of biocom probably, because they were halfway across the multiverse

[eternal talon]

its rather simple in my eyes. schaeffer (r7a1) directly keeps the door to progress locked unless we do what he wants. to complete the mission we must do what he wants, little by little. same in r7b1 with the short sidetrack for the collection case

[harsh pike]

even hackett saying shit like "I don't wanna know." (biotracker reaction) doesn't make sense to me, why is he even able to give his input if he's brainwashed to do as biocom says?

[lilac island]

why are KSOs able to rebel in intercepted comms

and why do they do it over and over

[eternal talon]

we have more freedom under the warden than we did under biocom by itself. this can be seen easily by comparing ef01 bishop to the bishop in our squad.

behave completely differently

[lilac island]

that actually makes sense

so when warden took over we were afforded additional freedom to allow for the creativity necessary to complete our new, ridiculously difficult objectives

[harsh pike]

idk man, R7D2 completely breaks any idea of brainwashing for me. there's no objective stack, brainwashed KSOs would sit and wait for WRDN to reroute a path / the lift to come back

[eternal talon]

also note; during stokes log ogr6c1 she mentions bishop waiting motionless and emotionless at the landing platform waiting for Kovac to pick him up. refusing to speak or talk with anyone

[lilac island]

this is also true

[eternal talon]

that one is simple too, the objective itself tells us

[lilac island]

we go from biocom's robots to warden's labor force to free acting

[eternal talon]

we were going to do the mission (in the menu) it tells us to do with the last transmissions. in the previous mission, schaeffer mentions "BRAKES..." when talking to henrikkson... and what do you know, next level he cuts the brakes to our lift just above where he wants us and we end up out of range, where he wants, doing his mission

[harsh pike]

that mission text is odd too 'cause the R7E1 mentions the immortal too, which means they got sent to the same reactor as we did coincidentally

or there's more than 1

[harsh pike]

I don't see how this changes my point though

[lilac island]

he uses the brakes

[harsh pike]

the objective stack once you drop in is "MAIN OBJECTIVE UNREACHABLE FROM CURRENT AREA. RE-ROUTING NEW PATH"

[lilac island]

if he cut the brakes we would just plummet into the abyss

[harsh pike]

KSOs who are brainwashed to follow biocoms obejctives would sit there and wait

[eternal talon]

out of range is down, closer to the ship. warden wouldn't send us that far down if they were working

we wouldn't have a mission anywhere near that deep

[lilac island]

what is e1

then

[burnt wren]

All Schaeffer

[eternal talon]

us working for schaeffer now that he is in partial control of biocom

like i said, two puppeteers, same strings.

[harsh pike]

schaeffer says the trojan needs to reboot to fully work, but he has enough control over where we drop

[clear furnace]

I bet R8 is gonna start with us retaking control from schaeffer

[burnt wren]

To be fair I agree that R7D2 is big sus with the plot holes.

[eternal talon]

warden causes ALT// to undo all that progress

[lilac island]

by the way what is scheaffers plan actually

[harsh pike]

Well, WRDN needs to reboot

[eternal talon]

kill the warden, get to the surface, and be free

[lilac island]

he takes control of biocom and then what

[burnt wren]

Original just wanted to break free from Warden and facility.

[harsh pike]

get out

[lilac island]

does he not know that the surface is fucked

[harsh pike]

not in original timeline

[burnt wren]

Simple, but ultimately dead end objective.

[eternal talon]

in alt//, work with the warden, go wherever the aliens want us to go, and be free

[harsh pike]

still subscribing to the theory that the "surface is fucked" is a lie

[burnt wren]

Old one doesn't. Or doesn't care.

New one does, he directly mentions it in ALT R6D1.

[lilac island]

wtf work with the warden?

so he's still under his control then?

[burnt wren]

Not this one, no.

[harsh pike]

R6D1 moment

[lilac island]

working with the warden would mean getting into an HSU and receiving objective stacks

[burnt wren]

This one still broke free, but he had a dialogue with the mimic.

[eternal talon]

would that even be a thing anymore? now that we know the warden is a collector consciousness in alt//r6

[burnt wren]

Mimic told him the beans.

He has no choice really.

[harsh pike]

no idea. I assume it would give schaeffer more control over it/biocom in the original timeline

because even if it is alien, it's still using biocom as a 'host' of sorts

[eternal talon]

i agree, 100% the goal

[lilac island]

cant wait for when the two scheaffers mix and they have a metal pipe swordfight

[eternal talon]

just pondering the implications of "its not an ai" now

[burnt wren]

Surface dead and the only hope he has is an artifical clone telling him that there's a plan to follow. Honestly I would be desperate too.

[harsh pike]

to be fair they could've not even planned that by r7

[radiant root]

i can sorta see us having the choice of helping original schaefer or alt schaefer in r8

[lilac island]

i can absolutely not see that happening

this type of game is the one you give one ending

[harsh pike]

choice based ending would be great

fuck alt schaeffer

[lilac island]

no

[radiant root]

r8e2 copium

[lilac island]

i don't think i like the choiec

[eternal talon]

i fucking hope so. OG schaeffer i'd rather side with than the aliens.

[lilac island]

bro why

scheaffer's plan is a dead end

it's a brick wall

[harsh pike]

we think so at least

[burnt wren]

It would be neet, but I agree that GTFO is not the type of game to do that. Too much work.

[lilac island]

oh the gaslight theory?

where all the logs are fake

[harsh pike]

we as the player have no 100% believable evidence the surface is dead

[eternal talon]

1. we dont know the alien's motives 2) we dont know if they are lying to schaeffer even) 3) i'd rather die on earth than in an alien glass jar terrarium

[radiant root]

bro HATES having choices

[harsh pike]

How is a WHO log about the state of the world in a random maintenance terminal in garganta

planted evidence

[cunning light]

We can probably assume the characters read the same log files as we did ?

[lilac island]

i dont know

[burnt wren]

Oh, that one is easy.

[lilac island]

the fuckin

[harsh pike]

same with the state of truth logs

how'd it get there

[burnt wren]

Random facility workers listen to them in their free time.

[lilac island]

there were WHO operatives that were searching for patient zero 5 years after the world collapsed or something

they were inside the complex for a time

[harsh pike]

wouldn't they be storing those things on their own devices though

[burnt wren]

Maybe, if they even had that.

[harsh pike]

not random terminals in an infested area of the complex

[lilac island]

maybe they plugged a USB stick in and accidentally left it while copying files IDUNNO

[burnt wren]

Real answer is that it's the only way devs know how to do an exposition.

[cunning light]

Imagine getting signal on a kilometer deep Complex facility

[harsh pike]

i don't mean remotely

they'd have their own computers/recording devices i'd imagine

[burnt wren]

State of Truth logs are all intercepted by biocom as a security threat. Now why it stores them in random ass places is another story.

[eternal talon]

you could always use warden intel as something other than warden intel... like radio, that's what I did in PT anyway

[lilac island]

They went 300 meters deep without encountering sleepers

presumably they got torn to shreds because the audio logs are still there

[radiant root]

some say they’re still looking for patient zero

[lilac island]

they found the dude

escaped from garganta at a known date and went to florida

male 33 something

[burnt wren]

Not the dude, just his place of origin.

[lilac island]

no they definitely know who it was

[burnt wren]

Honestly what was their plan even.

[radiant root]

👻

[burnt wren]

Go down and found a bigger patient zero?

[eternal talon]

i've also seen things that i can't spoil here (because data ⛏️ ) but it doesnt look great

[night vale]

what is main prisoner name

[lilac island]

they found him

[cunning light]

Yeah, please don't.

[lilac island]

i know they did

i remember reading the log

[eternal talon]

i won't, don't worry.

[burnt wren]

Left to right:
Woods, Dauda, Hackett and Bishop.

[lilac island]

i cant find it

[burnt wren]

They are always the same on main menu screen, locked to player slots.

[night vale]

thank you woods was my answer

thanks

[eternal talon]

they are also listed on their website with short bits about their backstories

https://gtfothegame.com/prisoners

[cunning light]

But ideally, visit R5A2 and R5A3, and listen in on the audio logs

[harsh saffron]

This one?

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#7JR-T7U-780

Because I don't think there are any after that

[radiant root]

☹️

[lilac island]

im gonna find this stupid log

this game honestly makes me question my sanity because googling for a log only works 40% of the time

it honestly puts you in the shoes of all the people who know wrong things

lik remembering events with great precision but they were never real

[eternal talon]

just sort through here https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs

[lilac island]

how

[eternal talon]

well, click on a rundown, press CTRL+F and type like a word or so you know for a fact is in the log

[lilac island]

yeah i did

[eternal talon]

if it isnt there, go to the next rundown log archive repeat

[lilac island]

it's not coming up

[cunning light]

At some point Chase put up a database, but I am not sure it got updated for a while

https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Lore-Database-94aac69799e14948b3f9f418761c6cd0

[harsh saffron]

It is

[cunning light]

Thanks (a lot)

[harsh saffron]

should be up to date

[cunning light]

Then this would probably be much more efficient, if you are searching for a specific topic or individual

With all the tags, timeline and all. I found it very usefull back in the day, but now I try to keep up with whatever new pops-up

[lilac island]

nothing is working

no patient zero

no zero

no 300 meters

no NOTHING

oh shit

alt 4 might be it

[cunning light]

I mean...

To whoever contributed to put this together (and keep it updated) ; it represents quite a huge amount of work, and I am immensely grateful for it

[lilac island]

yeah that one

i just spent 10 minutes doing this manually and when i reached alt r5 that happens

also the bodies of the sleepers disintegrating is somehow canon

which is also stupid

becausei we can see them with their guts out in some areas

stil there after tdeath

[cunning light]

Something could have prevented these ones from disintegrating like most others do

These bodies are only present in a handful of R6 expeditions, unless I am mistaken

[eternal talon]

only the red ones.

different subspecies of parasite.

[lilac island]

what red ones

what is all this

[eternal talon]

we have... 5? maybe six different subspecies recorded

[eternal talon]

the ones that are darker, come at you during alarm waves and blood doors

[lilac island]

there are white ones down there

there are clearly white ones

lots of them

tons of them

[eternal talon]

the only corpses of sleepers we ever find are the white ones -- that DONT dissolve

[lilac island]

they OD

DO

There are white sleepers around

[eternal talon]

in gameplay they all do

[burnt wren]

Which just reinforces the criticism imho

It was better not to address it

[eternal talon]

yeah...?

[burnt wren]

Corpses melt to save your pc from blowing up, don't need to explore more than that

[lilac island]

yeah and they dont dissolve

so this cant be true

NO

IM sick of this

[burnt wren]

I mean we have both. We have gameplay melting and we have environmental ones not melting. So uh...

Just add it to the "lore oopsies" pile and ignore, it'll be better that way.

[eternal talon]

### Entry: Gallus {genus}
Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.
/quote

**### Entry: Gallus Reptus
Paragraph on:

• Reptus show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts. Clarify the intraspecific devolution theory?
• possibility of structured hierarchy among the pack, and the role of Reptus in that hierarchy
• possibility that Reptus are a post-metamorphic stage of Jaculus? Note no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state.
• NEED DNA SAMPLE**

**### Entry: Gallus Jaculus

• more intelligent than Reptus, or given a more strategic role in the hive?
• what are the implications of emergent intelligence.
• potential human connection/influence. Mimicry or symbiont relationship with parasite?
• remove that woman from the team**

**### Entry: Gallus Capreolatus
Name options:

• Capreolatus
• Cirrhus
• Pampinarii
• Clavicula
  Discuss tendril hypotheses :
• diphyllobothrium latum mimicry?
• siphonophore/zooids theory
• NEED DNA SAMPLE**

[lilac island]

the devs want to eat their cake and have it to

they try to explain everything in the game and gameplay away through lore to create the ultimate story line and immersive experience or whatever

and then it keeps blowing up in their face

and then the players have to say "yeah well gameplay"

[eternal talon]

**### Gallus Horridus

• advanced predation techniques
• purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?
• NEED DNA SAM

[file ends]**

[eternal talon]

i'm sorry, but this is true.

we have to because thats literally the case

gameplay and lore inconsistancies are MOUNTAINOUS in gtfo

[lilac island]

and then the lore is told through gameplay

woopdy do woohoo

[burnt wren]

Not really

[lilac island]

perfection

[burnt wren]

The lore is told through logs and occasional room that's worth something.

[lilac island]

well yeah logs but there is still much that happens in game

objective stacks

the expeditions

rundowns

[burnt wren]

95% of gameplay is bang bang goes the sleeper

[eternal talon]

^ stuff like set pieces, NOT general gameplay

[burnt wren]

The logistics of security scans alone are a nightmare

[lilac island]

._. im angy

[eternal talon]

oh no, i'm running late to work! let me spend 6 hours doing scans as i make my way down to D floor!

[lilac island]

well they wouldn't

they'd sleep ther

we know they dont go out

[eternal talon]

it's okay. we've all been through this at one point or another. there is a reason why the GTFO_Lore community is tiny

[lilac island]

so the corpses melting away is canon

where do they go

also why do that

corpses remain infectious

[burnt wren]

Big fat shrug

[eternal talon]

only of the red ones,,, for example, that baby merch they made a while ago, that was a red parasite version of the white babies we see in game birthed by white mothers. #community-news message

[lilac island]

well yeah that

so they melt

but where do the calories go

[eternal talon]

best i can assume is so they can turn into dust/whatever and go airborne to spread the virus further

[lilac island]

they presumably become puddles into the floor

[eternal talon]

a more agressive and less "long term" strategy

[burnt wren]

I... Do not think the bacon plushie is Canon.

[lilac island]

i don't think that's super feasible

to vaporize the entire human body within seconds

liquifying is one thing

[eternal talon]

you never know, and i mean honestly, why else make it?

[lilac island]

that'd turn sleepers into just chemical bombs

[eternal talon]

we know there are those variants.. so... who knows

[lilac island]

because its merchc lol

[eternal talon]

just making a point as its what it would look like

[burnt wren]

Money and it's funny, great conversation piece.

[lilac island]

are the hoodies also canon

is my hel auto sentry waifu body pillow also canon

[eternal talon]

probably not, but agressiveness isn't productive so let's stop this train of talk before we get angrier and angrier at the state of the lore, shall we?

[lilac island]

i was trying to point out that this train of thought was bad

[eternal talon]

i wasn't saying it was canon, just that that's what it'd look like **that was a red parasite version of the white babies we see in game birthed by white mothers. **

like how you can see the difference between them with normal sleepers in-game

anyway, scouts, chargers, and such are also their own unique subspecies of parasite

they aren't purely based on their hosts

[lilac island]

how many do we have

[burnt wren]

Lore is kinda shit at the moment, simple as. There's not much else to say. We have a couple of saving graces, but we went from like a 8/10 by virtue of having no canvas to be riddled with plothiles to big multidimensional 5/10 swiss cheese in a matter of like 3 updates.

[eternal talon]

4 confirmed looks like, but this doesnt mention the snatcher or destination variants, or tanks, or mothers

[lilac island]

Shadow
White
Red (racial segregation is canon)
Charger
Whatever the leviathan's smoking

uh

fliers

do those count as different species

lifeforms from other planets

what about giants

[burnt wren]

Absolutely

Don't even

[eternal talon]

yes, they aren't human

[lilac island]

no i mean like parasite species

[eternal talon]

we don't know.

[lilac island]

the same parasite species could make the leviathan and a scout

if it infected like 300 sperm whales

[eternal talon]

given the time difference between destination and the earth subspecies, almost certainly

[lilac island]

and they all hugged

[burnt wren]

We only have to assume that giants were the particularly big lads in the squad, but then the sheer number of them in the facility makes me think it's a dedicated mutation.

[eternal talon]

on destination its a time gap of 7 trillion years

from the earth variants to evolve

[burnt wren]

Oh wait

Now that you mention it

[eternal talon]

cus' 85x1

[burnt wren]

Fliers being the final sleeper form over a long ass time... Huh.

I was wondering why their mouth looked so familiar.

[eternal talon]

they look like infected natives and are described as such in the durant log iirc. now the kraken, there might be more to that, but i can't say yet, even with stuff from leaks. who knows, but i'm still under the assumption they are also native

but even without spoiling (stuff we know and see in r6c1 final jump) there are... quite a few of them on destination

[burnt wren]

Kraken honestly gives me dead space hive mind copypaste vibes.

[eternal talon]

me too to a degree.

[burnt wren]

Inb4 the guy ate the forests Durant was talking about.

[eternal talon]

hm?

that's not destination

the log says time there goes faster

[burnt wren]

It's one of destinations at the very least...

Original Durant didn't mention any jungles.

Urgh.

[eternal talon]

Two separate areas please! I don't want to contaminate any samples. This is Dr. Durant. E-F-Zero-One have arrived. We're in a jungle, of sorts. A lot of vegetation, some of which looks familiar, most of which doesn't. I... I don't think this is earth. Amazing. Let me check my notes... so far, no sign of fauna but Ben and Gustavo are searching. This environment is rich and vibrant; it's teeming with life! I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we find animals. We have lost our link to Garganta. No comms, no telemetry, no quantum tether. Our local chronometers are operating at normal speed but the mission clock, which was tethered to Garganta's quantum frequency, hasn't moved since we got here. So either we've lost synchronization, or it broke during the jump, or it's running slow. Very slow. Alice is looking into it, but we may be here a while. We're going to proceed under the assumption of worst-case scenario. We will make a permanent camp, establish a perimeter to defend if necessary, and settle in for the long haul. There's water here. The temperature is hot, but tolerable. We have rations for several weeks if we don't find food but I see fruit bearing trees and with all this water I'm confident we'll find a way. We have left earth.

er, so from the chronometers from earth are running slow

so relative they are faster

where destination was the other way around

[cunning light]

Indeed. In OG R6B1 plants died very fast

[eternal talon]

nope.

This place is… it’s exhilarating. Let me check my notes. So far there’s no sign of biological life, though Ben did notice some discoloration on the rocks nearby, so he’s starting there. I don’t know how anything could survive here though, there’s no obvious food sources and the soil appears to be barren.

[burnt wren]

Exactly.

[eternal talon]

one of the infinite worldlines

[burnt wren]

Cursed cursed

[eternal talon]

wonder why that inner had those coords instead of destination though...

interesting indeed

[burnt wren]

Frankly they could even be on the same planet, just different parts of it

We have Sahara desert too

[eternal talon]

not according to the chronometers i'm affraid

destination runs slow relative to earth, wherever they went, earth was the one running slow

[burnt wren]

I actually have a problem with that too

There's a log of Bishop returning. Again.

And same time happened. Again.

[eternal talon]

how long was he gone for in alt?

[burnt wren]

Somewhat same, months or something.

[eternal talon]

(granted this log never told us what the difference in time was)

so we dont know if the 85x1 still applies

or if its like 4x1 or 12x1

[burnt wren]

Yeah, just shrug it off.

[eternal talon]

he was certainly on this jungle planet less than two years though

if he was gone for months, he was probably only there for a few weeks

[burnt wren]

That's not how the log puts it

[eternal talon]

hm?

[burnt wren]

But needs a closer look

I was getting this vibe...

They basically settled in, when Bishop got sent back.

[eternal talon]

Hearsay on. This is Dr. Stokes. This afternoon we detected a power surge in the Translocation Chamber. We investigated and discovered that the team had returned. Well, at least one of them did. One of the security detail... umm. Bishop, maybe. Yeah... Bishop, yes. We didn't see the return, but the Matter Wave Projector was on the mounting platform and the KSO was just standing there. He did eventually speak and he wouldn't tell us what happened. I don't know if he didn't remember or he'd been ordered not to tell us, but in the middle of us questioning him, a man named Piros turned up and led him away. Just took him away. I mean it's good that we have the artifact back and we'll scrape together whatever data we can from it, but the only eye witness we have has disappeared into that mysterious Kovac area and no one here seems to have any idea what they do down there. I have so many mixed feelings. Relief that the device has been returned, distraught that we lost people. I'm angry that the information is being deliberately withheld from me, and I'm so fucking confused about what the hell happened last week. I understand so little about the Fossil or these artifacts. My best guess... is that whoever constructed the Fossil found a way to harness the effects of the Matter Wave Projector and maybe... maybe they used it as a propulsion system. Or something. Or… I don't know what I'm doing. I have been here almost a full year and I am no closer to solving this. Much as I found Dr. Hammerstein difficult to work with, I am missing his input right now. I think I may be depressed. And um... a little lost. I am going to schedule some time with Dr. Teale. this looks the same for the most part

um hold on...

what the fuck is this??? We lost Bishop today. Just gone. Alice was scanning quantum frequencies, which she has done diligently every morning for years. She claims she heard something. A voice. She said it was Nolan Connor. I remember him. He was Dr. Stoke's assistant I believe. He ran comms... or telemetry... anyway, Alice is positive she heard his voice, calling for a response from E-F-Zero-One. That was... is... our mission identifier. Alice then asked Bishop to check the datacubes. They've been dead for years but she says she was getting a reading from one of them. So Bishop checked them and... he was gone. I don't know... I don't know if he's dead or... if he made it back or... My god, what are we going to do without him? He convinced the other operatives to help with building the new facility, with the outposts. He was always... stoic, but... I don't know who can replace him. Maybe if he made it back he'll tell them we're still here. Still alive. Alice is hopeful. She is convinced he returned to earth. For now I've ordered everyone to stay away from the datacubes. There are so few of us left. We can't lose anyone else.

[burnt wren]

Exactly.

That one.

He's talking like they lived there for a while.

Enough to lose people.

for years

Out of the horse's mouth

[eternal talon]

We lost Bishop today. Just gone. Alice was scanning quantum frequencies, which she has done diligently every morning for years. She claims she heard something. A voice. She said it was Nolan Connor. I remember him. He was Dr. Stoke's assistant I believe. He ran comms... or telemetry... anyway, Alice is positive she heard his voice, calling for a response from E-F-Zero-One. That was... is... our mission identifier. -- this is all on earth, so can be explained by nam-v hallucinations

Alice then asked Bishop to check the datacubes. They've been dead for years but she says she was getting a reading from one of them. So Bishop checked them and... he was gone. -- as to be expected

He convinced the other operatives to help with building the new facility, with the outposts. He was always... stoic, but... I don't know who can replace him. Maybe if he made it back he'll tell them we're still here. Still alive. Alice is hopeful. She is convinced he returned to earth. For now I've ordered everyone to stay away from the datacubes. There are so few of us left. We can't lose anyone else. -- nothing much of note

neither of these logs are dated

[cunning light]

Wait. This first part was from the EF-01 mission, was it not ?

[eternal talon]

i don't understand what you mean about bishop

[cunning light]

Not from Earth

[eternal talon]

which part

[cunning light]

We lost Bishop today. Just gone. Alice was scanning quantum frequencies, which she has done diligently every morning for years. She claims she heard something. A voice. She said it was Nolan Connor. I remember him. He was Dr. Stoke's assistant I believe. He ran comms... or telemetry... anyway, Alice is positive she heard his voice, calling for a response from E-F-Zero-One. That was... is... our mission identifier.

This is follow-up record from Durand, in Alt:// timeline

[eternal talon]

does she mean bishop's been dead, or the datacubes have been dead?

[cunning light]

Datacubes

[eternal talon]

because my assumption is the data cubes

so whats the confusion

i'm clearly not getting something

[cunning light]

Basically, they got teleported to a different place than in OG R6B1, and in this one, time flows much slower instead of much faster

[harsh saffron]

The log with Bishop returning to the translocation chamber has a date in alt: June 23, 2055

[eternal talon]

i meant in relation to eachother

[cunning light]

Which explains why they only got messages from Earth years later

[eternal talon]

in og we know the time he was gone for was about two years by working backwards from the dates

of when he left and when he came back on the platform

[eternal talon]

yeah? thats what i said (also you got that backwards)

[burnt wren]

Do we have a date on the start of the expedition?

[burnt wren]

That's exactly what we're trying to disprove

[eternal talon]

wdym

[eternal talon]

its not in the alt// log

neither in og iirc but we could work backwards from how long he was gone

[harsh saffron]

Don't think so

[eternal talon]

since he left with the team

[burnt wren]

Both Durants got slowed to a crawl, allowing them to basically build a mini-society on the planet.

[cunning light]

OG R6B1 : Bishop goes with the expedition to Destination, and time flows much faster there than it does on Earth. He comes back, alone, with the MWP, after a while
Alt:// R6B1 : Bishop goes with the expedition to Destination, and time flows slower there than it does on Earth. He comes back by interacting with a datacube

[burnt wren]

While for facility it was like... A couple months, maybe?

Having a date would be helpful

[eternal talon]

looks to be correct

[burnt wren]

But i'm not getting any "oh god they were gone for years" vibes from Ms Stokes

[eternal talon]

ah! so where the fuck did alt// get their MWP from?

if it didnt come back

[cunning light]

That is one great question ! Add it to the list !

[burnt wren]

Also big point of note

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-long-list-list-infinite-list-gif-7915371

[burnt wren]

We can't even guarantee that correct Bishop got sent to correct timeline

Its a fucking cup-shuffle over there

[cunning light]

Correct

[eternal talon]

lmaoooooo

[cunning light]

It could all have been tangled up, and the "wrong" Bishop made his way back to another membrane

Since it has been established that the MWP (and possibly the datacubes themselves, with less controll) can transport people through time, space, and dimensions

It would definitely legitimize Project Insight "big heads" wanting to interrogate the subject themselves, to determine if it is "their" Bishop, or from an entire different membrane

[burnt wren]

Provided they know about any of that

[eternal talon]

to be fair, we have the 47 page long excell sheet marking staff from different worldlines

[cunning light]

They can probably at least "suspect" inter-dimensional shenanigans

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but that one was Warden's doing was it not?

But yes. They have evidence: the inner itself.

[cunning light]

When someone shows up in your inter-dimension warp room unannounced, you lock them down. Have you not watched Stargate SG-1 ?

[eternal talon]

lemee see if its dated

[burnt wren]

Again: assuming they know anything about that. SG-1 knew about many world. As far as facility staff were concerned it was a one-way-trip to the coordinates attached and back.

[eternal talon]

its not. could be any.

[formal ember]

Is there some lore behind the spikes at start / end of maps? and pretty much all edges on the map :D

[eternal talon]

yep! the alien weapons system

if you are new to the lore, i'd highly recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel to get yourself caught up!

[formal ember]

Yeah pretty much completely new to the lore, alr to ask what the alien weapon system is?

[burnt wren]

Its a deep rabbit hole

But TL:DR

[eternal talon]

aliens crash into earth bringing with them planet-destroying parasite and virus.
everyone on ship dies
humans dig up ship
humans die

the end

[eternal talon]

basically, its a tool the aliens had to try to wipe out the infection on their ship but it malfunctioned. a research expedition lead by dr hammerstein accidentally triggered it and it fired beams through thousands of meters of rock obliterating anyone and everyone in the way.

[burnt wren]

Mr Hammerstein - the lead head of Project Insight - got the big idea to play a sound sleepers did not appear to like. Play it very. Loudly.
The Hive got very upset and were in the process of massacring the entire facility, when giant energy beams shot out from the depths, aimed precisely at sleeper hotspots cutting off their assault right then and there. Some of the security staff also got hit, but ultimately the victory was theirs and the surprise outbreak was stopped.

[eternal talon]

there were hundreds of these beams. the holes left behind are also how we drop in and out of expeditions

[burnt wren]

Still... Facility never truly recovered from that incident.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-boom-gif-21571559

imagine hundreds of mini-BFG blasts all at once targeted at the sleepers in garganta

[formal ember]

Alright, that's pretty interesting 🤔

Will have to check out the doc later ^^

[eternal talon]

if you have any questions the for dummies doc doesn't answer, me, artek, or others will always be here to help!

[eternal talon]

the ol' blast of 53

[hard hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqklHjizlw&ab_channel=ProfessorScaler

[plush nest]

I mean infinite membranes should imply that there is better versions of our group

[crisp citrus]

Not possible. Lore accurate that we do everything right first try.

The alt group we replaced was so trash they died.

[plush nest]

There will always be a better group no matter what

[eternal talon]

you can technically go as crazy as you'd like. a "perfect quad" better than us in a different worldline could consist of Ronald Mcdonald, He-Man, Frisk, and Elmer Fudd.

due to how infinite is well... infinite... there is a worldline out there where Garganta was turned into a Walgreens

[crisp citrus]

No we're the best squad

Out of infinity, we are the best

[lilac island]

I wonder if that's even possible

I mean it has to eventually reach an apex there can't just be infinitely more infinitely better versions of us

You'd reach the limitations of the human body

[burnt wren]

At which point Frostys statement becomes correct.

At some point the differences in reality will manifest in radical ways.

From some barely equipped half prisoners we start getting straight space marines.

Bigger persons, bigger armor, bigger guns.

You ain't outperforming that.

[lilac island]

at that point the sleeper'

s wouldnt overrun the facility in the first place

[burnt wren]

Maybe. Just another funny feature of multiverse.

You have to put limits around it or else it's pizzas sitting on people and eating chairs eventually.

[crisp citrus]

We are because we're the best

[eternal talon]

They take over what they encounter. Space marine sleepers

Sleepers are like Walmart brand flood from halo

Every sleeper would basically be a tank

[lilac island]

the weaponry of warhammer 40k would not allow

[burnt wren]

Eh, I don't know... Tyranids have been a massive headache despite being just spicy mutants.

They and namv would have a lot to talk about.

[eternal talon]

the collectors behave a lot like the necrons now that i'm thinking about it...

[cunning kayak]

Grandpa Nurgle would be interested in NAM-V i think.

[eternal talon]

what was his name... trazyn the infinite?

[cunning kayak]

Yes.

[lilac island]

nurgle loves you

[solemn kraken]

Nurgle is the good guy

[lilac island]

Honestly that's relatively true

You get to live forever and be chill

No torture or pain

Even though you're horrifically disfigured and diseased and just awful in every physical aspect, psychologically it's all fine

You don't suffer

There are no mirrors in nurgles garden

If you had to pick one god to worship it would be either ziinch or nurgle

[burnt wren]

Eh, he's still the one that gives you all the deceases in the first place so that you wanted that.

All chaos gods are ultimately about trapping people

With sole exception probably being Khorne

[lilac island]

Yeah but some are worse than others

[burnt wren]

Go and fight, simple as

[lilac island]

Khorne also does

[burnt wren]

Don't need to worship me, don't mention my name

Just act of violence on in itself is honoring him by default

[lilac island]

Worshipping khorne means you lose control over your body

Cause you're so angry

The 4 options are:
Eternally furious murder machine
Peaceful and horribly disfigured eternal life
Literally just a slot machine
Extreme degeneracy

Nurgle is the only one where you're guaranteed not to suffer

Ziinch has the potential to make you a hero of you get lucky and he feels like blessing you

But he could also just completely fuck you over for no reason

This is all related to gtfo lore because of the multiverse shenanigans, there's a multiverse where this is true

Hi frosty

[eternal talon]

hm?

[heady crescent]

hi frosty

[lilac island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347598466404319244/1115988943700246568/Image.gif

[crisp citrus]

hubcaps blew off lol

[eternal talon]

WOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAHWOAH

this is something new!!

#dev-leaks

(and i mean new new, outside of datamines, i'm excited for this)

it obviously implies surface surface... so earth...

that alone would require tons of new assets...

interesting interesting interesting.

this is already more than i expected for r8. sufficiently hyped now.

[harsh saffron]

I don't want to ruin your hype but "At sufrace, waiting for drop" is already a thing on steam for all levels. In this case I'd assume it's "just" teasing steam rich presence (which is also pretty cool)

[eternal talon]

noooo

[harsh saffron]

Im sorry

[harsh pike]

Yeah it says this on steam whenever you haven't readied up

[lilac island]

woowowow

The prisoner so be dropp

[solemn kraken]

It's just a shame nurgles immortal empires campaign stinks more than his plagues

[lilac island]

Might as well rename it to wh40k-lore cause that's all it's gonna be about

[solemn kraken]

Well look you got khorne in the fighting, nurgle in the infection, tzeench in the warden and slaanesh in gtfo general chat. so it kinda makes sense

[lilac island]

I don't think slaanesh tracks

Slaanesh would be like the greedy actions of santionian and Dreyfus n whatever

Unspeakable excess

[solemn kraken]

It fits PERFECTLY for that cesspit of degeneracy

[lilac island]

eeeh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347598466404319244/1132471921913634897/damneddeluxe.gif

[burnt wren]

I mean... That's not that excessive. The calculated brutality of profits at any cost is more so Tzeech, since there's no emotion there - just line go up.

Collectors, however...

[lilac island]

Nah

[burnt wren]

I think Slaneesh is out of job for this one. Everyone's too sane.

[lilac island]

Yeah

Slaanesh is also the god of perfection

It's like degeneracy perfection and extreme excess

One of her trials is trying to lure you with uncountable riches and if you pocket a coin you die a horrible death

[burnt wren]

There is an argument for Garganta to be Babel upside down.

[lilac island]

Lmao

Now that I think about it

Each melee could have it's own god

Hammer khorne (best at killing)
Bat Nurgle (Debilitating)
Spear Ziinch (Goals beyond your comprehension)
Knife Slaanesh (Perfection/style chaser)

[cunning light]

You guys have fallen way too deep inside W40k rabbit hole...

[solemn kraken]

there is only war

[lilac island]

There is only

[coral gorge]

id say bat is ziinch and spear is nurgle cause spear users dont see how much it limits them

[solemn kraken]

Ooof

[lilac island]

Nurgle doesn't limit you

[coral gorge]

Nurgle makes you not see your ugliness

[lilac island]

Or do you mean how nurgle infected are oblivious to the devastation of your body yeah ok

[coral gorge]

and spear users dont see how much they are limited

[lilac island]

Why bat ziinch tho

[coral gorge]

cause its the only one left

unless you wanna say bat is chaos undivided

which doesnt really make sense

[lilac island]

Chaos undivided is quick shoving

[solemn kraken]

Chaos undivided is just a lack of commitment

[minor thicket]

Open your mind and your heart to good things