gtfo-lore

[pastel ether]

tbf chances are that the warden probably removes the weapons from the prisoners when extracting them

and probably canonically sends the guns and tools down with the prisoners in a separate container (like how it sends down the Neonate HSU) where the prisoners pick them up after getting out of their HSU pods

[harsh pike]

would make more sense than us being loaded up in a pod designed to just fit a human

[pastel ether]

(obviously omitted from the playable game because it would get tedious having to do that manually every single mission, and also trying to animate the warden handing the prisoners their guns at the start would be a pain in the arse)

[pastel ether]

and the complete lack of backpack space (as in space for a backpack) in the pods

[harsh pike]

exactly

[pastel ether]

warden_irl

[crude jacinth]

Ok so how TF warden load our mags n backpacks then

https://tenor.com/view/joker-batman-dc-comics-dc-comics-gif-4544549

Checkmate

[plush nest]

Sends the backpacks down after us

[pastel ether]

You are always* ||barring training and R7C3|| sent in with exactly 300 units of primary ammo and exactly 150 units of special ammo.

Sure, during gameplay, your weapons are automatically reloaded (assuming you got sent down with ammo) as soon as you gain control of your character. However, I would argue that this automatic reload is an abstraction to make the 'starting off the mission' gameplay experience a bit more streamlined - like how your character has their weapons in their hands (and incredibly bulky backpack that wouldn't realistically fit into a HSU with them on their back) as soon as you gain control of them.

But, canonically, the Warden probably just deposits 300 units of primary ammo into the prisoner's primary ammo pouch and 150 units of special ammo into the prisoner's special ammo pouch (and however many tool ammo units into their tool ammo pouch unless they're the biotracker user in which case they get none or the sentry user in which case it just gets dumped into the designated proprietary automated receptacle of the sentry) before then attaching the prisoner's allocated unloaded weapons to their backpack (sent down alongside them) and the prisoners then load their weapons with the provided ammunition manually upon collecting their designated supply backpack

[broken oriole]

600mb of update

[broken oriole]

R6AX

R6AX

[lost drum]

Why did Shaeffer's voice from A1 disappear?

It's so sad

[coral gorge]

is it possible

schafer isnt there in alt R6 whatsoever?

that would be an interesting change lore wise

[lost drum]

No, I want Schaeffer back 😭

What's a storyline level without plot dialogues

Why did this level stay orange

[broken oriole]

R6B1

[coral gorge]

thank you log finder

[broken oriole]

R6B2

[blissful kraken]

R6C1 (T-scan terminal)

[broken oriole]

R6B2_Extreme

[blissful kraken]

R6D1 Z_84

[stone vine]

warden is a allen 😳

goshhhh

so crazy

[blissful kraken]

R6D1 Z_88

[blissful kraken]

R6D1 Z_93

no clue if any of these are new

[cunning light]

Oh, the first one definitely was

Second one as well

[blissful kraken]

R6D1 Z_85

[cold sphinx]

@blissful kraken

[blissful kraken]

boutta block yo ass

[eternal talon]

This was originally in extension. Interesting.

[eternal talon]

Holy fuck allen talking?

[coral gorge]

what

Da frog

is that log

[cunning light]

Go in D1, first zone, and find out

[coral gorge]

thats completely new right?

[coral gorge]

i havent even gotten the opportunity to play any alt R6

[eternal talon]

In original r6 he killed it

[coral gorge]

yeah

OH WAIT

[eternal talon]

96.35% of humans are infected, not dead, in alt//

[coral gorge]

yeah

thats interesting

[eternal talon]

Surface looking preeeeetty bad

[coral gorge]

then there is this membrane talk

and the „projector”

[eternal talon]

Membrane = worldline

MWP, obvs

Little dissappinted in the plot to "rescue us" tbh though

Feels like doing a complete 180 on the OG story to fight back against the warden

But this does confirm the warden is an allen

[coral gorge]

also the thing that talks there is a unit/mimic right?

[eternal talon]

Unit 22

[coral gorge]

oh thats the unit then

i wonder does it still get killed

if not… that would be a very big change

[eternal talon]

Does alt//r6 have dx/d5?

[cunning light]

It does

renamed "CX"

[eternal talon]

Then someone gotta have a look see

[coral gorge]

has anyone played it?

we need the INFO

[eternal talon]

There already was a cx.

[coral gorge]

WE NEED THE LORE

[eternal talon]

R6ex had bx cx and dx

[cunning light]

I know. [reasons]

[coral gorge]

Also i wonder will we get an explanation on whether R8 is og or alt timeline in alt R6

[eternal talon]

Og timeline still had sleepers trapped in garganta.

It wouldn't be "pure"

[blissful kraken]

sounded pretty robotic alien like yeah

[eternal talon]

So where the fuck did alt// schaeffer go?

Or is that alt//, and our original is missing?

[blissful kraken]

the other voice was schaeffer pretty sure

[broken oriole]

do we return back to original timeline at the end of alt r6?

[eternal talon]

Yes I know that, but which one?

[blissful kraken]

I dont know much about the lore

no clue

oh you mean 1 or 2

[eternal talon]

Last we ""saw"" of og schaeffer was in alt//r1d1

[coral gorge]

i did theorize before og schafer went into the alt timeline hence we hear him in alt R1D1

But still what the frog happened to alt schafer then

[eternal talon]

Would be impossible to be alt//'s schaeffer. Is asleep in KDS Deep and isn't even woken in the schaeffer discrepancy until r4

[blissful kraken]

R6D1 last apex door had a voice recording where schaeffer was talking about the warden being a friend and having a plan for humans

[coral gorge]

yeah yeha i mean the og schafer showed up in alt R1D1

[eternal talon]

This log is probably alt// schaeffer... ours wouldn't willingly ever work with the warden

So the question is... did they kill him?

[coral gorge]

Or where is he

[eternal talon]

If so what a shitty way to follow up ogr7

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

The only conflict would be gone

Story is just us vs nature

Rather than us vs us vs nature

[coral gorge]

unless they will make it now both schafers will apear and give us conflicting messages

telling us to trust the warden or destroy the warden etc

[eternal talon]

" QUICK, IM REAL, SHOOT THE OTHER ONE!"

[coral gorge]

Wait i just realised if we dont go back to og timeline for R8, wouldnt that mean henrikson and maddox were never woken up?

[eternal talon]

Og schaeffer doesn't have the Trojan in biocom anymore. Warden changed the worldline to undo that

[coral gorge]

yeah i know

[eternal talon]

Og schaeff if he isn't dead could just wake them up again

And with what he did before, he'd properly wake up Maddox this time

[coral gorge]

Yeah

that could be interesting

[eternal talon]

He'd be 1 off a full quad of his own

[coral gorge]

to see how madox acts while not being brain dead

well id assume the answer to wether we go back to og or not lies in alt R6D4

or D5

i dont remember how many there were

[eternal talon]

Og r6d4 was the one with us jumping between alt// earths

Twas 3 jumps

[coral gorge]

Well i could see us jumping og earth then

[eternal talon]

Still according to the allens would be "impure"

[coral gorge]

did they say og earth was also impure?

oh i guess sleepers in garganta

[eternal talon]

OG Garganta was a time bomb. One explorer with C4 away from opening the surface tunnels warden sealed and letting them out

[coral gorge]

yeah that is true

[eternal talon]

Plus they don't die of old age either. Archeologists could crack that shit open and end the world

[coral gorge]

so i guess the earth would be impure then

[eternal talon]

*again

[coral gorge]

yeah, perhaps in like a thousand years when garganta would become a legend some dumbass would open it just to see if its true

[eternal talon]

Except worse because sleepers instead of just nam-v

[eternal talon]

Proverbial pandoras' box

[eternal talon]

This also proves they aren't all dead... which is an interesting plot point

How insignificant we are to them? Like mold growing on food left in the fridge, forgotten about while their infinite lives move on across wordlines

Why even bother helping us?

How badly damaged is their ship?

[coral gorge]

yeah i wonder how many allens are still alive

is it just the warden?

or does the warden hold their minds in some freezer and put them into the units?

[eternal talon]

Well statistically infinite, but they are probably trapped here with us on earth given the state of their ship

[coral gorge]

yeah i mean on earth

[eternal talon]

They can't leave with it because it's infested, assuming it even still functions

[coral gorge]

although they could prolly use warp gates

but even then maybe they are scared of infection going with them

or they simply dont know where to warp to

also im guessing we never got confirmation on what the units actually are?

so they could be allen minds thrown into a mechanical host/body

[eternal talon]

They are subjects from project rise, mixed with whatever warden-y stuff he did to modify them

[coral gorge]

hm interesting

so id assume their basic faultiness they had before was "fixed" by whatever the warden did to them

unless they always just kinda wandered around and talked allen shit

[eternal talon]

They had the mental capacity of children. Probably easier for them to overrite than normal adults, but still why not robots? They'd be FULLY immune

[coral gorge]

yeah

im pretty sure there were some robot things in garganta right?

[eternal talon]

You can see deactivated robots here and there in most levels

[coral gorge]

yeah

well who knows

hopefully its explained

[lilac island]

so what happened to schaeffer?

[keen mantle]

No idea

We have a case of Schaeffer moving around in Alt-R1…. But we don’t know if it’s actually OG Schaeffer or it was Alt-Schaeffer

[surreal thistle]

whats the lore difference between og and ALTs rundowns?

[stone vine]

one of the bishops is dead

😔

[pastel ether]

kingside or queenside?

[loud urchin]

uhh actually you should name bishops according to their colour complex and not their starting position

☝️

[pastel ether]

Green or Orange?

[coral gorge]

there is a lot of small things being diffrent - for instance the story of how dauda got into the squad is completely diffrent, we also have schafer apearing much earlier on (its most likely og schafer that somehow followed us into the ALT), also sleepers are on the surface and not only in Garganta...

there is a bunch of it

[loud urchin]

i think orange is a significantly nicer colour than green

[pastel ether]

so the protestant bishop

makes sense I suppose, Bishop GTFO is Bri'ish...

[loud urchin]

that's the "I want to divorce my wife so created a new branch of christianity" bishop isn't it

thank you henry

much appreciated

[manic shuttle]

Henrikson its a bottom

You guys welcome

[loud urchin]

source?

[manic shuttle]

The way he talks to shaeffer in r5c3

[pastel ether]

this may or may not have serious implications for purgatory theory and/or Wood's very overzealous religious extremist urges

[grim shell]

The flavor text for CX mentions a sector DX, now, you might think this is just a mistake, but in this essay I will prove that the mysterious DX sector is...

[pastel ether]

evidence of parallel universes interacting with each other

mandela effect moment

[broken oriole]

R6BX

[eternal talon]

I wanna know the ending of r6dx

It has to be different.

[broken oriole]

no change for alt r6bx...

[manic shuttle]

it is

[coral gorge]

oh we have the list of HSUs... i wonder why only henrikson and madox are available. Are the rest dead?

[eternal atlas]

Hello

Lore scholars
What's the end game or supposed to be the end game for gtfo?

[eternal talon]

As of right now with new info, the allens are gonna spirit us away from the disaster with zero agency of our own.

All hail our multi-dimensional overlords

[burnt wren]

ESCAPE

Escape it all

Not just the facility... The planet. The universe.

The ultimate break out.

(without putting a bullet in your mouth)

[eternal talon]

This is literally one of the key things they tell you NOT to do in writing, and especially GMing. Do not remove agency from your players

[burnt wren]

Eh. We are brainwashed worker drones. Not much agency to begin with.

Anyway I shall try avoiding this place - I want to find logs by myself.

This shift can't end soon enough.

[eternal talon]

Your gonna cry when you find the allen log talking to schaeffer. It is literally all you feared. Fucking called it.

[coral gorge]

[eternal talon]

For additional info, please read the "for dummies" document in the pins, but know it hasn't been updated with alt//r6 stuff yet

[keen mantle]

More like ending of “CX” since that naming is changed

[eternal talon]

So what was CX renamed to?

[keen mantle]

BX

And BX is renamed to AX

[coral gorge]

oh thats why there is an AX

[keen mantle]

Yea

The patch notes says that

[coral gorge]

i was wondering why i didnt remember that

[keen mantle]

OG R6 never had AX

[eternal talon]

No. Just bcandd

[keen mantle]

Essentially, moving all the extensions back by one tier so they can fit all of them in one setting with the new GUI

[eternal talon]

Gui? What's changed?

[keen mantle]

Remember how the OG R6 looked like?

[eternal talon]

I have pics

[keen mantle]

It had the R6 levels and the extensions on the side

But since the sides is replaced with those apparel/missions

[eternal talon]

Yes....

[keen mantle]

They would need to re-alter the positioning of the extensions of R6

[eternal talon]

No.

[keen mantle]

Have we ever seen a tier that has 5 levels?

[eternal talon]

They were already tiered. Just had to untick that "extension" type view in the rundown db

[eternal talon]

It can go up to 13 across

[keen mantle]

Oh

[eternal talon]

They had to move the entire level in rundown db to do that moving down a tier stuff

They could have just unticked a single toggle

It's literally the same type toggle as the priority expedition thing that makes them yellow

Kinda pointless change if you ask me

[frozen crescent]

SCHAEFFER IS DEAD?!

[eternal talon]

I could explain it better, but can't post modded pics here, especially not of the DBs

[eternal talon]

Possibly. We don't know what happened to our original schaeffer. Ours would NEVER work with the warden/allens

The log one in alt//r6 is their schaeffer

[pastel ether]

the sheep have lost their shepherd

[frozen crescent]

wtf

[pastel ether]

Purgatory Theory 😤

[eternal atlas]

This game is all in le head

[crude jacinth]

I hate the warden I hate the warden I hate the warden

The Allen's are gonna rapture the righteous woods was right he is the prophet of our time

[cunning light]

Maybe in one of the membranes, Woods takes over and purifies the whole Earth

[coral gorge]

you know why North is no more? cause he learned the truth North knew the allens and warden are the true enemy so he was purged from existence. North died in darkness so we may reach light

[crude jacinth]

North was John the baptist

Brothers, are you ready to serve His will?

https://tenor.com/view/rapture-zhivago1955-salem-oregon-christians-gif-21315982

[eternal talon]

no. long live our allen overlords

[pastel ether]

PURGATORY THEORY IS REAL

[eternal talon]

there is no point in purgatory because of the multiverse

[pastel ether]

It's all an infinite purgatory

[crude jacinth]

"if you're frightened of dying and-and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But, if you've made your peace then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth. It's just a matter of how you look at it, that's all. So don't worry, okay?"

[eternal talon]

Uhhhh <@&408548765599793173> gore

[coral gorge]

huh

Im guessing someone did a „funny”

[cold sphinx]

so uhhh

@eternal talon

D1 new apex door scan before the kraken

schaffer meantioned a entity called the "Conduit"

[wary portal]

alright fuckers

good luck decyphering the log in r6d1

and let me know what you will come up with

ya people got something ?

[solar nova]

Link?

[cunning light]

Likely this one : ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585062984619917342/1151867529728372776/image.png ||

(or scroll up)

[wary portal]

yep

[cunning light]

Tuho posted 4 logs found in this expedition earlier ; reading through them it seems the most obvious to require "decyphering"

[wary portal]

If this is about warden helping the humans and schaefer understanding the motives

Then r7 is pointless

Since we do the exact opposite

[cunning light]

At this point R7 is the starting point, and we go all Alt// RD then R8 then ?

[wary portal]

Then what about henrikson

[cunning light]

I was about to say "unless I have missed a step here", but who knows

[wary portal]

[eternal talon]

Yes because r7 is pre-alt. We aren't moving backwards in time

[eternal talon]

What about it needs deciphering?

[cunning light]

I actually prefer that to those weird movies where they go back and forth between past and future.
If you change something to the past, you cannot go back to "your" future ; instead you can only get to the new one generated by your actions

You have created a new branch, now live with it.

[wary portal]

So henrikson is just gone?

Fire up reactor

Somehow travels back in time

I thinl r7 and 8 will be connected

If they arent

10 chambers dont care about this games story

[solar nova]

AU, not time travel.

Although I guess we time travelled?

[wary portal]

Au?

[solar nova]

Alternate universe

[wary portal]

I gotta find more logs i played till d1 today and gotta see if there is more

Before i jump to conclusions but so far it looks like schaefer understands and for the time being thinks about not screwing over the warden but we will see

Once we got all of the logs and the wiki is updated

[lapis plume]

What is the whole GTFO lore in a nutshell

[raw terrace]

theres a pinned doc with all of it

[lapis plume]

Where can I find it

[raw terrace]

in the pinned comments of this channel

#gtfo-lore message

[finite vine]

damn this really makes me think the warden is alien now.

also 2.066388852 x 10^15 seconds is 65.5 million years

so they did crash onto earth, which killed the dinosaurs

what where they waiting for though

[eternal talon]

@dull crest i think you guys forgot to fix your prefab...

glowy cables in muddy water in alt//r6b1

kinda sad texturework/lighting in alt//r6b1

here is carved part of cliffs above circle

nice shot of the storm

[eternal talon]

They're the allens. For all we know it could be MR T. And an iced McFlurry.

Seriously though, probably some kind of distress beacon or rescue team would be my guess

[lost drum]

What levels have voice logs that turn on by themselves?

I want to make sure I don't have buggy sound.

[eternal talon]

It seems to me like they removed a lot of them

[lost drum]

Are there any left at all?

[eternal talon]

So.... OGr6 archives only!!

[eternal talon]

I was told there was one in d1 but I haven't reached there yet to confirm

[harsh saffron]

Some of the ones that previously were played at doors are now at terminals like any normal audio log. For example some C1 stokes talking and the first EF-01 launch

[lost drum]

What the fuck. Orange levels were considered story levels, and contained dialog to immerse you in the story. Yes, it pissed a lot of people off. But it was part of the immersion. A lot of people loved the story because of those logs

If someone didn't like them, they could turn them off in the sound settings

But that's my personal opinion. Some may disagree

[eternal talon]

What's progress on wiki log archiving?

[harsh saffron]

I started like an hour ago and have "most" logs up to C2 sorted offline. Tomorrow I can probably put them up in another hour.

[lost drum]

OH, MY GOD. THEY REMOVED THE BUCKET?!

[eternal talon]

Pic?

[harsh saffron]

wdym its still there

[lost drum]

On the developer stream, Calle was outraged that the bucket wasn't in the BX (Old CX)

[harsh saffron]

hm thats weird, I made sure to check that its still there

[finite vine]

idk it seems much more than that... like they are "collecting" something. then they talk about the virus and how it is plaguing multiple membranes. maybe The Warden is future humans trying to save past humanity? or some super intelligent Alien civilization that has a presence in multiple membranes

like trans-dimensional aliens

probably not future humans, totally seems like they are just aliens

[eternal talon]

Was gonna say, it outright says the warden is one of them

[eternal talon]

Well we know they are spread out across many worldlines because Hammerstein finds specimens from other worldlines in their ship

[finite vine]

ok it seems that the warden is attempting to find a membrane where the virus is going to kill all humans, then take the humans and find a new clean membrane for them so they can be safe?

[eternal talon]

To me it reads as if it wants to move us off of alt// and to a "clean" worldline. Why? I have no fucking clue

It should have no motive to

For us to go to a different worldline and destroy the mwp after

Like, why would the allens care about us? Aside from maybe not wanting us to be around to meddle with their stuff, but at that point, why wait until now, after almost everyone is already dead/converted

[finite vine]

True, but why bother moving us to a new membrane when there are millions of other membranes... It seems like The Warden is communicating between each membrane, and determining if the humans in that membrane are saveable or not. And it seems like the membrane within that log is the "resolution" and The Warden wants to take the uninfected humans to another membrane away from the virus...

[eternal talon]

And why move us from original, to a worse worldline, in alt

[finite vine]

Thats why I kinda suggested the "future humans" kind of thing

[eternal talon]

Where there are MORE sleepers

[finite vine]

No but thats their objective, they want to find a clean membrane with no NAM-V, and have us destroy the MWP so the membrane cant be infected

[eternal talon]

I really don't like the future humans thing.

[eternal talon]

Right, but why take us to alt?

Alt is infected with sleepers on the surface, OG was just dead up there

[finite vine]

what do you mean take us to alt//? Im pretty sure the unit said that they want to take us to a clean membrane

which im assuming means it has no NAM-V

[eternal talon]

How we got from r7 to alt//r1

Which the warden did

[finite vine]

I don't think canonically we went from r7 then to alt//r1

[eternal talon]

We did

[finite vine]

the end of r7 didnt suggest anything like that

[eternal talon]

And even so, why wait for alt// schaeffer and not og to convince?

[eternal talon]

It doesn't. But it is literally the only explanation whatsoever, unless you have something more realistic that covers all basis

[finite vine]

the explanation is that the devs just wanted to re-release their rundowns. and the alt// is just a way to say this is from the perspective from another membrane...

[eternal talon]

As to what alt// is and how we are here and doing old rundowns and how there are multiple schaeffers

[finite vine]

thats what I figured, because in no way was it assumed that we traveled to alt// r1 from r7

[eternal talon]

Nah, we were told alt// is canon

It's a continuation from r7

[finite vine]

by who?

I must have missed that

[eternal talon]

Calle

Months ago

Back sometime ~ alt//r1/r2

When we were still figuring stuff out

It was a huge talking point around the time we got the mile long Excell sheet log

[finite vine]

did he say literally word for word that we went from r7 to alt//r7, because I would assume its canon, but I would not assume we went from r7 to alt//r1

[eternal talon]

I doubt word for word, it was nigh half a year ago now, I don't recall specifically.

It's common knowledge and I know we did hear officially about its stance in canon

You'd have to track the quotes down

Hell maybe it was in one of their announcement posts. I'd probably start there

[finite vine]

cool

that was a pretty shitty ending to r7 then if they wanted us to think that we went from r7 to alt//r1

but then again if there is not going to be a alt//r7, then this makes no sense

[eternal talon]

To be totally fair, they had the same setup in r6d4 and didn't use it

[finite vine]

how do we go from r6 to r8

[eternal talon]

It's up to r8 to see if it uses alt//r6d4

Since in that one we jump between earths

And this is just assuming r8 is back in our og and not alt

[plush nest]

To the time line is basically r7 through all the alts then to r8?

[eternal talon]

ogr1 ogr2 ogr3 ogr4 ogr5 ogr6 ogr7 altr1 altr2 altr3 altr4 altr5 altr6 d8

*lore is also different in many logs in alt, i'd reccomend using the wiki to view the old ones before they were changed

wiki has it in the same order, so should be pretty simple to search through log numbers

[finite vine]

how are we traveling from membrane to membrane when we dont even get the mwp untill alt//r6?

[plush nest]

And there is just a bunch or small details différence that add up?

[eternal talon]

we dont jump first until ogr6a1

[finite vine]

yea i just realized that, my bad

[eternal talon]

your good

sorry if i'm a little slow to reply, eating lunch rn

[raw terrace]

nom nom

[finite vine]

ok so then i guess after alt//r6, we get the MWP again and go to r8?

[eternal talon]

well we dont know yet, but if i had to guess, they will probably explain it away with alt//r6d4 just not returning to our original worldline after the 3rd datacube pickup

otherwise, we'd just still be in the alt

we dont really know if we will go back to our original, and it kinda looks like we wont

as the allens want us to go to a clean worldline, and og, while better than alt, isn't that.

what i wanna know is what they did to OG schaeffer.

[finite vine]

idk, it feels like a lot of details have been left out

[eternal talon]

he was banging on pipes in alt//r1d1 and we haven't heard from him since. that log is clearly not our schaeffer. ours killed the units on sight

[eternal talon]

i feel that. the entire transition from OG to ALT is a huge unexplained headscratcher

the only theorycrafting i can even really give is that the warden maybe didnt take to kindly to OG schaeffer tapping into biocom, and merged wordlines as a way to undo his progress

[eternal talon]

alt//r7 is r8. we aren't getting any more rundowns beyond that, they are ending it.

i've seen a couple new prefabs in the code that have me a bit intrigued, but i cannot say here.

[eternal talon]

** Rundown 8.0 will conclude the current storyline of Dauda, Hackett, Bishop and Woods that started way back in December 2019. It’s the climatic finale we’ve been building towards with the ALT://Rundowns.**

@finite vine

it was in announcements

[stone vine]

love how they just abandoned their game

like completely went back on everything they stated about this game

unfortunate

the lore is also subnautica but bad

i honestly would’ve preffered chimp theory 😔😔😔

[eternal talon]

chimp memes arent allowed in here anymore. people took it too far and were hogging the channel

[broken oriole]

R6C2

[eternal talon]

... huh.

warden was meddling with rise sooner than we thought.

in alt//, anyway

[coral gorge]

interesting

im guessing thats schafer

[broken oriole]

there was another audio log about Bishop team's teleportation

[coral gorge]

i wonder if that changed at all

[wary portal]

Is that the daylight mission guy?

I completly missed that one

[broken oriole]

R6C2 extreme

[eternal talon]

This looooooks like an old log...

I'd have to check if they changed anything from OG

[broken oriole]

Oof okay... It was actually quiet risky to read that log as error wave started just before the door to this zone unlocked

[heady crescent]

where is my audio log for a1?

[broken oriole]

R6C1

[broken oriole]

R6C1

R6C1

[broken oriole]

R6C1

R6C1

[upbeat frost]

is there a reason why shaefer's voice at some doors disappear in alt?

like in A1 he doesn't speak anymore

[solemn kraken]

budget restrictions for the Alts

[upbeat frost]

😂

[solemn kraken]

Oh I'm certain they cooked up a lore explanation but lets be real here

[manic shuttle]

It was increadibly annoying to replay the levels

so they remove them

[coral gorge]

Well i guess alt schafer is busy meddling with units, and og schafer is… nowhere to be found?

we really dont know much on why schafer is silent now

[solar nova]

-They created as a plot contrivence to speedrun the remaining story.

-They adapted if from a longer-term story idea that would have covered similar topics, which may have been better presented in new content than alt content.

Can't really think of more options that stand out to me besides those two.

I guess you could say the story was going to be kind of mid to begin with if you're not a fan of the writing team, but I think even where I'm not a fan of the story things are still decently well crafted.

[coral gorge]

unless they did a complete story rewrite for some reason

i think other than the 2 reasons you said nothing else could have changed it i feel like

[broken oriole]

R6C3 overload

[stone vine]

yeah i was a victim of gtfo chimp theory memes 😔😔

i high key had a dream abt gtfo where chimp theory was actually true and all the lab sleepers in the cats were chimps

vats*

[broken oriole]

The teleportation log

R6C2

[lost drum]

I found a log that talked about the jungle, on an alien world. Hopefully we'll see it in the R8

[brazen edge]

Day #2

[pastel ether]

Honestly I kinda interpreted it like the desert we get sent to used to be that forest (complete unintentional disruption of the ecosystem from the research team)

[broken oriole]

R6C2

[eternal talon]

Huh???? Sauce?

[wary portal]

c2

and its basically the OG b1 log

just slightly different

where a doctor talks about the team being stranded

[cunning light]

Instead of plants dying instantly, they are flourishing

[coral gorge]

interesting

[coral gorge]

is this R6D1?

[warm burrow]

D2

[raw terrace]

but the data qwq

[coral gorge]

dont fuck the data

[warm burrow]

do not the data

[raw terrace]

BUT THE LORE QWQ

[broken oriole]

:: //Interrupted_Communications_

[Lore enjoyer]... Reading now! Be ready to- 
 ... [Enemy wave spawned]
[Teammates who don't care about the lore] ... Screw this, we're leaving.
[Lore enjoyer] ... But THE LORE LOG?
[Teammates who don't care about the lore] ... FUCK the lore log.

[coral gorge]

=(

poor lore enjoyer

poor lore log

[coral gorge]

wait AAA games have lore?

[crude jacinth]

AAA lore- I am the chosen one and I will fight hordes of enemies to bring peace to the land

Gtfo- I am dogshit, I will be replaced when I die, the world is fucked, and my enemies are without number

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[eternal talon]

some 40k esque shit right here

[lilac island]

the devs carefully crafted this game to make our actions as meaningless as possible

Die? dw about it, you'll be replaced
Succeed? That's cool, but the world stays dead

[eternal talon]

wait a minute...

[coral gorge]

what are these funny frogs doing in the lore chat

[eternal talon]

you could say... the allens are assuming direct control of the storyline

[coral gorge]

god not the lore puns

[eternal talon]

but i mean, seriously.. they HAD to have seen this coming and named them in reference

otherwise... that's just copying someone else's homework but worse

but yes, this does mean finally that we have an official name for them. The Collectors!

[coral gorge]

yay finally we dont have to call them "allens"

i actually really disliked the name allens

just seems like a typo of aliens

[eternal talon]

temporary names are temporary. now we just need a name for destination

[coral gorge]

i suppose we can call some of destination places alpha-X

but these only apply to the places that humans actually named

[eternal talon]

im talking about the planet as a whole

[coral gorge]

yeah

honestly its weird they called specific locations but not the planet/dimension as a whole

unless another log in alt R6 hides the name of it

[eternal talon]

10cc love their mystery.

[coral gorge]

i mean for a rundown so focused on destination i would expect we get an actual name finally

[broken oriole]

lore enjoyer: yay lore log terminal!
teammates: lol no hurry up!

[finite vine]

I dont really see anywhere in this paragraph that suggests the 4 og characters, right after r7, somehow go to alt//r1. they didnt have a matter wave projector at the end of r7e1. Let alone if they did, they had absolutely no way to control it. they also would have to be transported to alt//r1 AND be placed into hydrostasis. How did they get into The Wardens system?
Now, I would understand if the devs, at the end of E1, made us go to a warp gate, and after we warped, the expedition ended, that would make sense.

I don't really see how, from this announcement, the story of the og 4 characters continues as they get transported to alt//r1.
It more seems like the alt// rundowns are just an alternate version of the story, that is also connected to the og story, because it has been proven that The Warden is operating in multiple membranes as one, large, intelligence.

Anyway, if the devs did intend for the og characters story to go from r7 to alt//r1, then in my opinion, it could have been explained a little better.

[finite vine]

oh, really? I assumed they would just skip alt//r7 and release r8

[broken oriole]

R6D3 Overload

[finite vine]

@eternal talon

thats what calle said in #community-news

looks like they are skipping alt//r7 and going straight to r8

that is, the og storyline, is continuing from r7, to r8

and the //alt rundowns were just an alternate view of the story

that is how i interpret it

[cunning light]

I am wondering. Are we the same team, that travelled to two different versions of our reality (OG vs ALT) or do we play an alternate version of the characters in the Alt:// rundowns ?

[finite vine]

I believe we play an alternate version of the characters in the alt// rundowns

some believe otherwise

[cunning light]

To me both would be valid choices, but I am inclined to believe the same

(it would also make it much easier to "disentangle" in R8 - Resolution, or however they name it)

[finite vine]

while both would be valid choices, the former choice, that the og charactes play in the alt// rundowns, was not set up great at all story wise. there was no indication in-game that we went from r7 straight to alt//r1

[eternal talon]

Consider they just drop alt and continue r8 from r7 and our OG timeline. Why the fuck bother with alt//s story at all just to abandon their characters?

Why make them different, and schaeffer significantly different

Why promise them an escape, then immediately return us to OG where we don't because schaeffer fucking killed it in r6dx

Why have schaeffer banging on pipes in alt//r1d1 when he wasn't awake yet?

Why mention two bishop masks at the launch platform?

[cunning light]

Ah, true, I forgot this "incident"

So the two membranes have indeed been entangled

[wintry vector]

This is honestly what has been bothering me the most this whole time. Like the two masks have to mean it's connected in some way? Makes my brain hurt

[eternal talon]

In my opinion, it being completely seperate makes zero sense and is refuted by direct log quotes

[wintry vector]

That's how I read it tbh

[eternal talon]

The only possible way for it to be a "story based" return to the old rundowns, as Calle said, is a continuation

You don't make a whole new version of the story with alt only to drop it completely at the finale

The writers at 10cc aren't THAT incompetent

[solemn kraken]

There kinda is: R7E1 you Tp out and then never hear back from Schaeffer. why you arrive at R1A1 after that tho ... no clue

[coral gorge]

yeah i feel like they didnt just waste so much time writing an alternate story line just to throw it into garbage

[eternal talon]

"It's the climactic finale we've been building toward with the alt rundowns"... but you say the alt rundowns are seperate to OG?

[coral gorge]

my guess is we either go back to og at the end of alt R6 or get some sorta A0 level where we go to og at the very beginning of R8

or R8 is just in alt timeline and we never see og again

[eternal talon]

And again, I'm gonna say, I never claimed that there was one specific moment in r7e1 that we merged with alt during. There were a couple opportunities, like we have currently in alt//r6d4, but nothing concrete. I can't tell you when, just that it did

I'd bring in @rocky wraith for his opinions on the topic, but we came to the same conclusion when alt// first came out

[rocky wraith]

Mlem

[eternal talon]

It's the only thing that makes sense with what we are given

[rocky wraith]

I’ve done r6a1 and b1. Loving it so far! How’s the lore coming along?

[coral gorge]

schafer is fuckin gone

og schafer that is

we have missing tank posters we need missing schafer posters now

[eternal talon]

Warden is allen. Allen name confirmed "collectors". Allens talk directly to alt// schaeffer and promise to save us

[rocky wraith]

Huh

Mental

[coral gorge]

seems like quite the twist

[eternal talon]

Audio too. I haven't heard it yet, only read transcript posted here

Waiting for it to be up on wiki atm

[rocky wraith]

I gotta catch up

[coral gorge]

I still do wonder how the collectors survived all this time

[eternal talon]

Much work to do on next ver of the GTFOLFD

[coral gorge]

werent they supposed to have gotten nam-ved

[eternal talon]

We know that at least some of them did, otherwise we wouldn't have the parasite and virus on earth

Only the combination makes immortals

Parasite + virus + host = immortal sleeper

Parasite + host = eventually die
Virus + host = DEAD AF.

[coral gorge]

And we still dont know how the Warden even got into the system

[eternal talon]

Well maybe not dead, but certainly missing

He is just MIA

[coral gorge]

Yeah thats what i mean by gone

i hope he’s not dead

i wanna see henrikson and maybe even maddox alive in alt

[broken oriole]

R6D3 high

[deep mortar]

П

[plush nest]

R6ax there is a lot about a doctor recording a personal memo basically, and she makes mentioned to how there could be something in the walls. Do you think that would hold any significance?

[eternal talon]

not particularly. that log was also in the original

if anything, it is also referenced by schaeffer navigating the vents on his way to KDS-Deep

[plush nest]

Ok just wanted to make sure since it seemed a little odd, but then again I never played original r6 only started in r7/altr1

[wintry vector]

I always interpreted it as them getting infected and it starting to spread. Basically their hearing enhancing. No?

Especially bc jordy complained of the same thing and I felt like it really set him up as being infected as well.

[plush nest]

Wasn’t Schaeffer in KDS-Deep?

Like in the hsu

[wintry vector]

He threw himself in front of a drill afterall

[eternal talon]

he was

[eternal talon]

wdym? that wasn't schaeffer.

[wintry vector]

Jordy

The man who when to the doctor complaining of mood changes and hearing things

[plush nest]

So how can he be out in alt r1 banging on the pipes? Or is this the weird discrepancy that people are always taking about

[wintry vector]

I figured him and the doctor he saw also hearing things was a nod to them becoming infected and having enhanced hearing. Not hearing shit but hearing through walls

[eternal talon]

no, the schaeffer discrepancy is different.

alt//r1d1 is our orignal schaeffer.

multiple worldlines.

different versions of the same characters

[plush nest]

God why can’t things just be simple

[manic shuttle]

They were following trends

and simon cannot get his head together

[plush nest]

So original schaeffer came with us to alt and we currently do not know where he is

[eternal talon]

yep

nor any of the alt// squad

[plush nest]

So alt squad is missing, and original Schaeffer

[eternal talon]

yes

[pastel ether]

(She has been infected with NAM-V)

audio hallucinations (usually in the form of REALLY REALLY LOUD NOISES THAT MAKE IT NIGH IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK STRAIGHT) are a symptom of NAM-V

[lilac island]

is the dead body in R6CX schaeffer or is it alt bishop?

[shell forum]

wait non alt bishop died?

[lilac island]

or was it alt

idk

[lilac island]

sry, i meant alt one

[shell forum]

wait so alt bishop died? How

[lilac island]

theres a dead body in CX that is bishop

[shell forum]

is there any photos?

[queen gazelle]

looks that way tbh

[eternal talon]

this is a very good question... is it this corpse?

[eternal talon]

holy shit what the fuck is a unit doing there

and that might be our missing schaeffer

wtf. we haven't ever seen dead KSOs not nam-v-ified before

[harsh saffron]

btw Im not sure but the body hanging in the back could be dauda

didnt get a good look at it

[eternal talon]

... is this supposed to be the alt// squad?

i need to noclip this shit. gimme a minute

[shell forum]

soooo basically the OG Team is on the alt universe and schaeffer too

?

[eternal talon]

we are playing the OG team

[shell forum]

oh

[eternal talon]

this here though might explain what happened to the alt//s

[shell forum]

ok

[sudden quarry]

any idea if this might be linked then?

[eternal talon]

This is gonna take me a little bit longer to fly through with cconsole because I don't have the levels already unlocked, but I WILL be back with pictures

Also weirdly enough it seems to be unlocking cosmetics. I wonder if that'd carry over to vanilla

Doubt it's intentional

[shell forum]

Is that one behind the mimic any of the playable character or just come Kso?

[harsh saffron]

Couldn't rly tell but I would assume its not some random kso

[wary portal]

@eternal talon did you hear schaefer talk in D1

[lilac island]

i wonder if alt schaeffer killed alt us then

[wary portal]

when you open the door the teleporter

[shell forum]

im curious if that is henrikson

[eternal talon]

No, I ran through it in 10 mins. Wasn't in the overworld for more than 3

[shell forum]

Isnt Alt Schaeffer Still Sleeping in alt?

[eternal talon]

You'd think but our schaeffer would NEVER work with the warden, so it has to be alt

[plush nest]

What if the warden let him out under the condition that he works with it

[manic shuttle]

I had two audio logs

The first time i played schaeffer was monologuing for like 1 min

Sadly i didnt heard it all since i picked up my sentry

Second playtrough

He just said "are you sure you wanna do this?"

[shell forum]

Maybe warden manipulated alt schaefter to kill the alt team

[wary portal]

he literally says to trust warden

and warden is good guy....

[eternal talon]

Then yeah, 110% not our schaeffer

[wary portal]

you mean

clone schaefer

designed to trick us ?

and to work for the warden ?

[eternal talon]

Or just alt// schaeffer. Not necessarily clone

Schaeffer was never a part of Kovac before, he was an SMC employee

[wary portal]

but still

schaefer getting manipulated

and warden manipulated him so hard that he convinces us to work for warden

if so it still doesnt make any sense

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer straight up killed the last unit he came across

And when he was finally winning with hacking into biocom? No way

[wary portal]

doesnt make sense to me if you ask me

[eternal talon]

Alright, loading into cx finally

[wary portal]

There isnt much lore in it

Fyi

Just the end

With the specimen

[eternal talon]

okay, gonna look a bit scuffed because noclip, but nothing here is OOB

first up, noticed an unknown outpost during the c1 teleports.

again on c1, some ruins! clearly a non-nautral bridge

the poop bucket is still here

now the unit and the KSOs. that is 100% dauda.

i think we found our alt// team

this just raises more questions than answers.

[eternal talon]

*the lead pipe is also gone

what unit is this, who killed our unkillable squad?

what happened to hackett and bishop?

[coral gorge]

Hackett and woods you mean

[eternal talon]

i thought bishop had the puffy vest?

[coral gorge]

unless their bodies are somewhere else in the level

[eternal talon]

im still in freecam, can keep searching

[coral gorge]

the 2 bodies here are very clearly bishop and dauda

also btw they have no drip

[eternal talon]

how's them apples @finite vine?

[coral gorge]

so i do wonder what happened

[eternal talon]

also no eyes. for whatever reason they aren't modeled

[coral gorge]

yeah just white voids

[eternal talon]

though i just think thats because you arent supposed to be able to see them

[coral gorge]

Probably

[eternal talon]

its white because freecam. black in game

just untextured

[coral gorge]

okay so the great question is wtf happened there

they either fought a unit for some reason

[coral gorge]

or… i dunno og schafer came around and shot them dead?

[wary portal]

You mean team before alt

[eternal talon]

blood trail abruptly stops

[wary portal]

Og squad

[coral gorge]

arent we og squad?

[eternal talon]

we are our OG team. these are our ALT counterparts

[eternal talon]

wouldn't be a continuation of our squad's story otherwise

these chaps are fuckin' dead

[coral gorge]

that looks like either a unit or a new enemy?

cause i dont think schafer would leave such marks

[plush nest]

That’s a unit I think

[coral gorge]

the body is defo a unit

i wonder more about whatever killed them

[eternal talon]

unit model is the same, blood decals too. though, could just be they didnt want to make a new model

just sliiiightly moved

prolly to make room for ol' dauda over there

[coral gorge]

well this scene sure looks odd

[eternal talon]

three bodies, no murder weapon

[plush nest]

Why does it look like the unit was stumbling around hit its head on the pole there and then hit the ground

[coral gorge]

it has way more blood before hand

[eternal talon]

in OG it was after schaeffer beat it's head in with a lead pipe

thats missing now

[coral gorge]

Also that wouldnt explain the fuck happened to bish and dauda

[plush nest]

Awww I wanted to listen to lead pipe in game

[eternal talon]

schaeffer wouldn't kill quadmates. not after helping us all r4-r6. this is something new

[coral gorge]

my only guess rn is they got attacked by smth else

[eternal talon]

took the bodies?

[coral gorge]

which we do know sleepers used to kill units

[pastel ether]

woods has puffy vest, bishop has the jacket that looks like a high-vis jacket but isn't a high-vis jacket

[coral gorge]

unless he is completely insane now and just saw them as threats to his plan

[eternal talon]

high-visn't

[coral gorge]

but i doubt thats the case

[pastel ether]

(also they all have their named masks, and Bishop is wearing Bishop's Mask and Dauda is wearing Dauda's Mask)

[coral gorge]

yeah

[plush nest]

I thought scouts could only tell them apart

[eternal talon]

i'ma run the teleport and see if they are in the staircase of death. brb

[plush nest]

Or am I making that up

[coral gorge]

well then i do wonder why only half the squad got murdered

[coral gorge]

i dont remember the log where schafer talkd about a unit being ripped to shreds by sleepers

i dont remember if it triggered a scout

but i feel like it was regular sleepers

[plush nest]

I didn’t play in r6 so I am just kinda remembering bits and pieces that I think I had been told

[eternal talon]

who pinged me

[pastel ether]

thought I noticed an image in #gtfo-media that was a dead hackett sighting (from the description of it) then I realized it was just a picture of bot hackett being bot hackett and doing bot hackett things like going into an inaccessible area under a staircase

[coral gorge]

Yeah

hackett tends to clip out of reality recently

i have a pic of him being partially in a wall

[pastel ether]

maybe that's where hackett is

[coral gorge]

on R6B1

[pastel ether]

along with woods

[coral gorge]

hackett understood what GTFO means and clipped out of reality

he has gotten out

[pastel ether]

actually...

HACKETT AND WOODS ARE NOT THERE BECAUSE PURGATORY THEORY!!!!!!!11!!11!1!!!!

[harsh saffron]

I think the objective update asks us to look for unit 27 in this version

[coral gorge]

27?

thats a new one

im pretty sure

[eternal talon]

no shit, OG r7 is u23

OGr6 is 22

way more

[coral gorge]

wait there was a unit in R7?

also that means there are atleast 1 other unit in the general area most likely

[harsh saffron]

The audio you were waiting for is on the wiki now btw Frostty

[eternal talon]

all of r7 was making u23 to replace u22 that schaef killed

[coral gorge]

oh right

i forgot CHILD stuff

well then if the warden is smart and names them in order

that would mean the warden in alt cranked up the baby production

[solemn kraken]

yeah we make it

[pastel ether]

ok so let's consider some context about the prisoners

Woods = definitely catholic (canonically thinks he's in purgatory)
Hackett = Irish (and also afflicted by a curse on the (probably catholic) colonizers of the island of Colt), so very high probability of being brought up Catholic

Bishop = Bri'ish -> higher chance of being brought up catholicn't than catholic
Dauda = no idea if any evidence in his lore can be misinterpreted to come to a conclusion about whether or not he is catholic

Now, if Purgatory Theory is true (and the prisoners are in Purgatory - which is part of Catholic theology)...

Woods and Hackett (the prisoners who have a high likelihood of Catholicism) are not there.
The other two (who don't have a high likelihood of catholicism - or, in other words, are probably HERETICS) are there, and are dead.

Now...

Coincidence?
or
PURGATORY THEORY PROOF???

[coral gorge]

god

why do you do this

stop the purgatory theory

[loud urchin]

Does the counting go past timelines though? Like in ALT worldline there could've been more units made earlier, it doesn't necessarily mean we got rapid fired units, we don't even know if the counting remains across timelines

[coral gorge]

i completely forgot about the neonate there

[loud urchin]

R7 u23 could be different to alt u23

But I'm probably rambling stupid shit because

[coral gorge]

that has to be the case

[loud urchin]

Ye, probably goes without saying but I might as well mention it

[eternal talon]

nothing in the destination portion.

they're just gone

[coral gorge]

no more bodies?

[eternal talon]

nope

[coral gorge]

well thats interesting

[eternal talon]

no sign of em'

[pastel ether]

hmm

[coral gorge]

like i said before my guess is some new kind of sleeper/enemy killed them

[eternal talon]

it was

[coral gorge]

cause otherwise i doubt dauda and bishop just killed themselves

[pastel ether]

anywho, I guess that's at least 2 dead bishops we know of

[eternal talon]

wdym two?

[coral gorge]

wdym

its bish and dauda

(the 2 worst characters)

[pastel ether]

the log about bishop's mask but not bishop's mask

[coral gorge]

oh that

[eternal talon]

thats probably our bishop's mask

[coral gorge]

also do i understand correctly

this is in C1?

or CX

[eternal talon]

cx

previously dx

[coral gorge]

Yeah okay

thats interesting

why did they move them back at all

[pastel ether]

(probably because there were 4 D-tiers already and 5 in a row might have looked scuffed)

[eternal talon]

took more effort to do that than simply untick them from the EX field

[coral gorge]

wait they added a D tier level?

[eternal talon]

oh, yeah, maybe.

[pastel ether]

well, DX would have been the 5th one

[eternal talon]

cx was dx bx was cx and ax was bx

[coral gorge]

yeah i know that

[pastel ether]

(OG R6 rundown map) there probably isn't space on the D row for a 5th expedition in the rundown GUI thingy without causing problems

[plush nest]

Question for you frosty

Can scouts tell that a unit is not a sleeper?

Or can anything tell it’s not a sleeper

[coral gorge]

they killed one before

but after that they began to ignore it

[plush nest]

So they killed it

[coral gorge]

i dont remember what the log said exactly

[plush nest]

Then ignored it

[coral gorge]

youd have to find it

[coral gorge]

Yeah smth like that

[plush nest]

Do you know what rundown it was?

[coral gorge]

Prolly og R6

[eternal talon]

r6c2

[plush nest]

Ok I’ll have a look when I get home

[coral gorge]

oh yeah did we find the ALT version of it?

[plush nest]

« At first, when the creatures heard it, they tore it apart. As they ripped into it, it kept talking; trying to speak. It had no fear. Now the creatures don’t see it anymore, it walks through them like a ghost »

[eternal talon]

im not sure, i haven't been checking logs.

[plush nest]

So they ripped the unit apart but the unit lived?

And now it just walks around them?

[eternal talon]

they prolly mean different units

[plush nest]

Ah ok

[eternal talon]

interesting. this log from d4 has been changed in a rather major way.

they still didnt get to conduct the autopsy, but it says that they have encountered infected collectors... more than just the one rumored by edgar

[coral gorge]

huh

interesting

[eternal talon]

they are making the allens center stage

[coral gorge]

please for the love of god stop using allens

but yeah they sure are making them center of attention

[eternal talon]

its habit at this point! we've been using the term for over a year!

[coral gorge]

unhabit it then!

[eternal talon]

oh sure, i'll overnight it to you like a fedex package

[coral gorge]

e x a c t l y

[eternal talon]

hmmmm

[eternal talon]

they want to collect the virus... they collect infected creatures...

the collection is incomplete but it will be when humans are gone...

why would they want a worldline with only the virus?

Conclusion: the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.

A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.

We collect the virus. The Collection is impure. -- Did you "collect" those creatures? -- Yes. They are the Collection. They are impure.

this isnt making any sense

[eternal talon]

they want to make a universe-sized zoo of dangerous bioweapons? they don't hate us, they just don't gaf about us.

but why not just kill us then

is that what destination is?

[dusky glade]

i cant understand 3:15 can somebody clarify

[eternal talon]

**VOICE 1
How?

VOICE 2
A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.

VOICE 1
I don’t understand.

VOICE 2
We will teach you to regulate the Matter birthday for us when see a virus. This unit is dying. Do you like dogs?

VOICE 1
What?

VOICE 2
Do not be afraid my friend. The Warden. Will open. Those files? For John Schaeffer! Humans will learn.**

[plush nest]

Matter birthday?

[eternal talon]

i have no idea.

[dusky glade]

the dogs seem more odd to me

[eternal talon]

its a reference to unit 22 which asked that same question

RIP OG Schaeffer. #NotMySchaeffer

[dusky glade]

i think we have to read around some words. reads like a badly translated text. maybe its a far stretch but the pinned post shows the warden looking at the dictionary for alt definitions. maybe the collection is more like a prison only badly translated.

[sudden quarry]

idk i think hes still around

[plush nest]

What kind of fancy hat?

Also what if alt Schaeffer killed og Schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

maybe

[eternal talon]

im not sure, but its certainly something that needs explaining.

[sudden quarry]

i dont see anything that makes me think og schaeffer is gone or anything

[eternal talon]

the schaeffer in that audio log behaves completely differently from our original one

[sudden quarry]

of course

it could just be alt schaeffer tho no?

[eternal talon]

yes, that's what i mean

[sudden quarry]

that doesnt mean that og is necessarily gone, i feel like hes gonna be back in r8

[eternal talon]

there's no way its our original, which we haven't heard from in r6 who previously talked to us every mission

[frozen crescent]

what about KLAAS HENDRIKSON

[eternal talon]

im saying he is missing, not dead. i hope they dont just write him off

[eternal talon]

same with klas

[sudden quarry]

they are not gonna write him off lmao

ur gonna have to choose between alt or og

thats literally all this is gonna be

[eternal talon]

they've done bigger turns in their story before.

[plush nest]

But how can you choose when you are only given the alts ?

[frozen crescent]

Everyone would pick og schaeffer because he solo'd E1

[eternal talon]

even as far back as ogr3, the story with the neonate was completely abandoned come r4 and r5

[sudden quarry]

given the alts?

[plush nest]

And I don’t see en bring back the og rundowns

[sudden quarry]

omg ur so dense

i mean alt schaeffer

and og schaeffer

[plush nest]

I know

[sudden quarry]

they arent bringing back og rundowns

[loud urchin]

Lore fight! Lore fight!

[frozen crescent]

Pachi do you think schaeffer is dead or missing

[sudden quarry]

theres like 2 audio logs in alt r6d1 that summarise everything for u

gl

[loud urchin]

Original John still lives in r7/normal worldline doesn't he

[eternal talon]

we've seen him up through alt//r1d1.

[loud urchin]

I'd contest that it's schaffer who's missing, I think it's us who have gone missing

[eternal talon]

its strange how he's missing from r4 with code resist, and his intercoms in alt//r6

[loud urchin]

In logs?

[eternal talon]

nah, he was banging in morse code.

"escape"

[frozen crescent]

I'm thinking schaeffer will get the mr robot treatment

[loud urchin]

Huh

[frozen crescent]

and turn out to be a dual personality product

[loud urchin]

How did it get confirmed that it's our schaffer banging that

[eternal talon]

the corpses of bishop and dauda have me worried, just saying.

[loud urchin]

And does that mean klas and schaeffer got transported along with our team

[eternal talon]

schaeff being asleep in KDS-Deep until the discrepancy in r4

[eternal talon]

it would seem so, but i cant say for sure

it'd explain the morse

them not showing up elsewhere is weird

[loud urchin]

If there's nothing other than some morse code then I'm not sure I buy it, but then again I don't exactly listen out for morse code

Would need more to be happy attributing it to big man John gtfo

[eternal talon]

problem is we got nobody else that'd be able to down here

everybody else is either dead or under biocom's control

[sudden quarry]

i will say i dont think theyre gonna write off old schaeffer and henriksson, they seem pretty committed to this whole thing now

but i question how anything before r6 even matters now

[eternal talon]

right.

[loud urchin]

Who's to say it wasn't the warden or a unit or whatever from the hearsay transcript of schaeffer trying to tell us to escape to another worldline, for example

[eternal talon]

the alien storyline came out of nowhere in 1.0 and took over

[eternal talon]

given what we heard from alt//schaeffer, it's possible i guess...

[loud urchin]

Though I'm not saying it is the case, rather that it's difficult to attribute a specific thing to the banging when we have so little to go off of

Would be hilarious if it just turned out to be a coincidence

The code I mean, it's just supposed to be ambient noise and not morse code for escape, but again, morse code is not my thing

[plush nest]

When you know it’s there it’s pretty obvious

[eternal talon]

. ... -.-. .- .--. . (ESCAPE)

its not your standard ambience, way different

[drowsy shuttle]

this may sound stupid but I just thought about it now and want to throw it out there. Is it possible that the ALT rundowns are being shown to the main 4 by the warden while they're in hydrostasis?

[eternal talon]

i had to think about this for a bit, but technically no.. because we are functionally dead while in H/S

i know he can see through our eyes via the neural implant (intro video), but im not sure if it works both ways, and if it did, it still probably wouldn't work in stasis

[drowsy shuttle]

Yeah but it is canonical that they show stuff to the KSO's while in the pods at least due to Hacketts log in R5A3

[eternal talon]

do they? i'ma go have a look

[drowsy shuttle]

The doctor said something about showing him some pictures

or it may have been bishops

[eternal talon]

hmm..
Interviewer
We’re going to show you some images, and play some sounds for you. Afterwards, we can talk again, see how you feel then. Close it up.
Hackett
Hey, no! Don't you fucking close that lid. No! Don't you--
Interviewer
Let’s give him... 2 of the NGF protein clusters and 1 of the serotonin, then run program Semantic-02 on him.

that checks, but it really looks like they are just lying to his face.

Hackett
No. No feelings at all. Now look, where the fuck am I?
Interviewer
You are in a special program that is designed to help with memory loss.

i don't know.

[drowsy shuttle]

they might be lying, I was just throwing the theory out there because I was reading the chat and just thought of it

[eternal talon]

In this state, the organism is effectively dead, but no cell deterioration or physical decay occurs. For the human in Hydrostasis, the heart stops. The metabolism stops. The aging process stops. For all intents and purposes, time stops. from WT3-4GR-BS2

its contradictory if true

also from r5

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah

It was just the only thing I could think of after seeing Dauda and Bishop dead

[keen mantle]

Wait what?

Is that the two KSO dead in CX?

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah

[eternal talon]

oh were you not here for the pics? 1 sec

i ran through it noclip to be sure who tf they were

[keen mantle]

Wtf happened in CX?

[drowsy shuttle]

They both have the same masks on as the apparel "dauda's mask" and "bishops mask"

we aren't sure lol

[keen mantle]

I know about this Unit 27 but what’s different in CX?

[eternal talon]

three bodies, no murder weapon. the lead pipe is GONE

[keen mantle]

WAIT what?!

No pipe this time?!

That’s one hell of a mystery

[drowsy shuttle]

to me it almost sounds like someone else entirely killed dauda and bishop with the pipe as well and left with it

[eternal talon]

me senses a bit of sarcasm

[drowsy shuttle]

maybe woods or hackett?

[keen mantle]

Idk

Could it be Schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

no

[keen mantle]

Since in OG, He killed 22

[drowsy shuttle]

he killed the unit and left the pipe there

[eternal talon]

according to someone else in chat at the time, the cosmetics they are wearing are the "bishop's mask" and "dauda's mask"

not generics

also afik schaeffer has twin barrel mk2 twin barrel blade visor mk 1

[keen mantle]

How do you know this?

[eternal talon]

it was the r6ex reward, which had schaeffer and his den. it was the first new mask model.

i'm asusming simply from that

not fact.

[drowsy shuttle]

The intel for ALT R6 says non complient prisoners will be re-educated, did it say that in the original?

[eternal talon]

i dont remember what the intel said

be a weird thing to get a pic of

so i never did, sorry.

[loud urchin]

Could always grab the old files

[drowsy shuttle]

haha it's fine, I'm just curious if these two dead has something to do with that

[loud urchin]

Not at my pc rn though, plus download and decompress time

[sudden quarry]

theres a log in r6c2 that talks abt an encounter with 4 mercenaries, one of these units and some sleepers, and 2 mercenaries and the unit end up dead at the end of it. Do you think this is in reference to this or if its unrelated?

[eternal talon]

! maybe

[loud urchin]

It seems like it lines up

[drowsy shuttle]

thats the most plausible thing so far

[eternal talon]

SCHAEFFER
Hearsay on. Kovac Defense Services had a cloning program called Rise. They wanted to mass produce soldiers instead of using recruits, and they were getting pretty close. They managed to produce living specimens, but they were weak and didn't survive. I've been trying to figure out why the Warden has had mercenaries gathering resources and samples from the Rise program, but it wasn't clear... until today. I saw something. Someone. It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know. Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off.

if true this would imply kovac never managed to assemble the perfect quad in alt//

would explain the missing log in r6cx now bx' terminal in schaeffer's den

Schaeffer
Rasmon and Bray-- Brayburn? No, useless. Wrong... skills? Who... Who a working person understands that-- [groan of pain]. I have to understand numbers. The Warden calculates, we need our numbers, so I need uh... I need a uh-- a programmer, uhh like Bishop? Yes, like Bishop! Was he a programmer? Bishop.. hacker? That's a programmer, right? Yes, yes, a hacker, yes. Ermm.. Christi, no, Fortuna-- no, not you. Henriksson? Yes, Henriksson, computer science, yes. At Munich, is that good? As good as Bishop? I think, yes. How do you end up as Legion, Henriksson? Questions with no answer. Now, who can fix things? Make them work for us instead of the Warden. Hear that? I'm coming for you! Good with their hands... a... mechanic, or an engineer. Good! Mind's working again. You haven't got my mind! Oh, oh we'll need a medic. Dauda, he'll work. They work so well, just like them. So I need a, I need a Woods, and Hackett... [Scout scream in background] .. Time to move!

[finite vine]

this is actually a great point... i need to watch a video of the expedition again...

I never thought that we could have teleported to the alt// rundowns during E1, i just thought we would be teleported to it at the end.

yea I completely missed that honestly...

[finite vine]

yea cant argue with those screen shots lmao...

makes alot more sense now

and I just re-watched a r7e1 expedition video and it seems like the OG group was transported to alt// rundowns in the middle of the expedition

[eternal talon]

to me its just a confusing clusterfuck lmao

[finite vine]

has anyone else completed alt//r6 d1 yet?

is there anything that changed at the end?

[main citrus]

you can use noclip instead of freecam for the actual correct lighting

[drowsy shuttle]

no, no schaef voiceline though

[eternal talon]

i ran through it before realizing ext require only ext to play. afik its the schaeffer dialogue after TP back, though sadly i didnt hear it. boss fight hasn't changed

[finite vine]

maybe the OG group is teleported back to the main membrane after killing the boss

[eternal talon]

1 sec

[finite vine]

then R8 is just gonna be R8, and not alt//r8

[finite vine]

I cant remember is this different from r6?

[main citrus]

Way different