gtfo-lore

[stone swift]

Then yeah seems unlikely

[burnt wren]

The big miner

The most important dwarfd

[stone swift]

Rock and stone!

[solar nova]

Don't we have info on him being a college dropout, tho?

From the email iirc?

[finite vine]

maybe he did a lot of research or something, I mean he does have a lot of time and the problem solver skills/ mindset of an engineer.

[young hedge]

isn't Schaeffer friends with Artus (whos a system engineer)? Thought that's how he got the info about BIOCOM and heresay? Art just kept on telling him things and Andrew Clinton started to catch on I thought

[burnt wren]

That was indeed a part of it so he does know SOME things

But there are some major leaps of thought he's doing there

and like based on what

Access to what kinda info does he has

How can he possibly know how BIOCOM and then WARDEN reffer to KSOs

[young hedge]

alt Schaeffer is mentioned to be an operations lead and not a pit boss, if that means anything? I'm not exactly sure what that means but maybe he's able to learn more stuff from there? Nottt really sure still wrapping my head around the whole alternative thing

heres the mention of btw (i dont remember where i got this from but i think its from alt r4)

[burnt wren]

Hm. Literally says not a pit boss.

Hell, this could even imply that he got demoted to Pit Boss because he did NOT just dropped his friend

[young hedge]

that's very true

[burnt wren]

Alright, that gives it some extra credance.
...
Goddammit, i hate multiverse. You can just say a thing is a thing and vuala - its a thing.

Lazy writer's wet dream

"Sauce? My sauce is that it happened in another universe"

[young hedge]

yeah I don't really understand why they gave him a new occupation but it must be for plot reasons riigghhtt?

not really sure what information someone below tier 2 clearance could get though besides through artus

[snow yarrow]

What the heck is RX-Zika Vaccine...?

[jaunty widget]

Sounds like a vaccine to the real virus Zika which currently does not have a vaccine. If "HE" is Dauda I'm assuming it's establishing he is in fact still a bastard. IF not it's establishing whoever "HE" is is in fact a bastard.

[ember bluff]

Original reality Dauda is responsible for outbreak (or at least contributed to it), it seems like alternate reality may not be though.

He is surprisingly ignorant of things in alt that you would think he would not be ignorant of.

[unborn steppe]

Damn the ALT characters are so much more aggressive with the exception of Dauda. Wonder if they'll change Stokes in r6

[harsh saffron]

In this log, the "He" that Bishop is talking about, refers to Janson Davies.

[ember bluff]

guy bishop tried blackmailing right

[harsh saffron]

(Just realized I forgot to take a screenshot of the very end)

[harsh saffron]

Yup

[snow yarrow]

he's not Dauda, this is bishop

From the bishop personal record in A2 iirc

[jaunty widget]

Someone already confirmed the "he" is Davies. So basically Davies/Dreyfus made a vaccine for Zika virus and apparently it's not good for you.

[harsh pike]

all the 'interviews' are redone

the characters don't react to them at all which is kinda funny

[stone swift]

This used to be an R5A1 log, now R5C3

R5C2 that used to be R5A2

Posting these since idk if there's any small differences ^

[snow yarrow]

anyone can upload the audio log "7UJ-39J-JF2" in R5A3 ? thx

[cunning light]

Nice one

[naive crow]

neat, it's also hinting that woods conditioning is starting to slip again

[eternal talon]

In-universe Frostty

[eternal talon]

Lmao

[eternal talon]

Heard them before in the originals

They did before

[burnt wren]

So they did remove it, goddammit

[hot burrow]

Or it could be bugged. Why go through the effort of making new logs and not have them react

[raw terrace]

they removed it

most dialogue lines r gone

[raw terrace]

cause devs [idk about this ive only heard of it] said like

ruins the inmersion

but ive only heard it second third fourth hand

[ember bluff]

Surely the characters reacting to the logs would only add to the immersion of them as well...actual individual characters

[raw terrace]

maybe cause at the end they were unused voicelines they just throw em intot he batch and didnt thought of it again

which like fair but now that r5 is out an update bringin em back would b ok

[plush nest]

A simple voice line of them reading it and the reaction of them saying something on the lines of “shit” would be good enough at this point I think

[burnt wren]

It most certainly would

But ruins immersion

[strange grove]

there are unused voicelines of them doing exactly that

[burnt wren]

10c: were gonna bring old stuff back because wasting our hard work doesn't make sense.
Also 10c: actively removes anything related to our characters expressing themselves.

How can someone be so brave, yet so wrong

[jaunty widget]

I could see it ruining immersion if the game made it more clear to you that you are Woods/Dauda/Hackett/Bishop and that you don't know who you are beyond that you have orders and you follow them. If the player makes the connection of "oh shit that's me" it makes it less impactful if the character goes "oh shit that's me". As is though I agree it was dumb to take it out since it's pretty easy to not pick up on the fact that those are the people we're playing as.

Really if they added all four of the prisoners to the training mission and framed it as you and the boys first time out as a team, throw in a little dialog about "anybody else not remember stuff" "It doesn't matter brother, focus on the objective stack". With the Dauda rewrite it would be pretty easy honestly to have it be his first mission so he's not used to waking up, not knowing stuff, and then just doing a mission.

[plush nest]

I think it would add to it, both you as the player and the character are discovering what went down

I mean we get the shock of waking up, but that doesn’t really count as anything

[harsh pike]

Worst reasoning I've ever heard wtf devs

I wanna hear them talk

[raw terrace]

i wanna know the sources

wheres the fucking bibliography

[jaunty widget]

I always saw the reference they were going for as there isn't a player and a character but they're supposed to be the same person. I'm not playing a game as Woods, I'm supposed to be Woods hence why (besides level selection obviously) my entire interaction with the word is wake up - > do stuff - > nap time. I guess it depends on how meta/immersive they want to be really. If we're just playing these characters and following their story lines then yeah it should be in, if we're not then it needs to be explained a bit more at the front and taking them out makes sense. Just my opinion though so I could just be weird.

[harsh pike]

How could they cut out actual lore relevant dialogue like that, but the team still says shit like "scout! Dont touch the feelers! This place will get crowded" on their 50th expedition

Like yeah woods. They know.

[lilac island]

Why does it sound like devs fucked up something again

[plush nest]

I agree with that, but my friend gave me this theory which was basically that we, the players are the warden and we are watching recordings/a sort of live stream of what the prisoners are doing, which again doesn’t really make sense on why we shouldn’t be able to hear what they are talking about lore wise

[plush nest]

How do they know what it is called if their memory is “damaged” every time they are done a mission

[jaunty widget]

That would make sense as well, it's just in a lot of the devs communications they're calling us "prisoners" which to me implies they're going for a frame of we are the prisoners and not playing as the prisoners. At the same time though they haven't put in enough to warrant getting away with that kind of story telling so 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty widget]

I'm not a psychologist obviously but I thought there was a distinction in your brain between memories of events and concepts. I. E. You remembering going to a theme park is one thing and you understanding what a theme park is is another. Plus there's logs saying there's some sort of ducky transference of behavior and knowledge that the KSOs shouldn't have. I believe it had something to do with one of them using cfoam on a door.

[plush nest]

Oh that makes sense, yep one of them knew to seafoam a door even though they had never been taught that

[harsh pike]

They don't lose everything

[cold sphinx]

Dauda: What are u goin to do to me?
Woods: get in or die, your choice.
Dauda: oke oke oke

[plush nest]

why does the terminal in ||r5a2|| have 5 logs?!

[weary compass]

@raw terraceso how deep is schaeffer?

[raw terrace]

i meant as in ask here generally so someone that knows about lore can answer u

[weary compass]

ik

i pinged you cause I could

[raw terrace]

ah

ok cool

dont :D

[harsh saffron]

one for each playable char (plus the 1 log that is on ever terminal)

[peak quail]

most understandable gtfo head canon

[burnt wren]

Alright, got to the new crew logs.

So, major changes:

• Alt Woods implies that the fellow marines he killed were evil people, somehow.
• Alt Hackett is less chill, but otherwise no changes.
• Alt Bishop... The only change is that the interviewer spilled the beans, i don't think he did that before. Also: more violent.
• Alt Dauda is a sleeper sympathiser.

[weak sphinx]

yep

[burnt wren]

On a side note Woods' prediction at the end of his interview came to be creepily true.

[harsh pike]

I feel like most of those were implied in the original logs

Woods didnt outright say it in the original but he didnt kill them for no reason

At least his definition of having "a reason"

[burnt wren]

In the original he simply said that they were the spreaders of chaos, and that was a pretty vague statement

Here he directly calls out them doing something he considered wrong, and i think he even directly says something about "taking joy in their activities" or something like that, and he directly asked them to seek forgiveness too only after which he did what he did.

So... They were doing something that was wrong, they liked it, and he was like "uh, could you not?" and they were like "WTF are you talking about, no" at which point he shrugged and pulled out a shotgun

Now, there are still possibilities that it was something very trivial. I don't know, maybe having some fun in the local brothels...

But Woods doesn't really strike me as a that kind of guy.

[harsh pike]

I think him trying to get them to 'repent' was AS he was killing them not beforehand

He sounds extremely vengeful in that recording

Not the kinda guy to talk first

[burnt wren]

That too, he was directly punishing them for something. In the original he simply makes an impression that he saw them as vektors of chaos, and nothing else so he took them out just for that like removing weeds.

And i think that's the thing - the original log was way more one-sided

Woods was just a madman, simple as.

But here it plants the seeds that maybe his victims did something that could've been deserving oh his reaction.

Considering all the logs now mention some kind of civil war with rebels in such - i don't think its much of a stretch that perhaps his coworkers were somehow participating in it. Not so much directly, but you know...

In general all the new ALT logs seems to be way more on the nose about anything and everything they talk about. Entire lore dumps everywhere.

[rocky wraith]

Alt Woods definitely has memories from an alternate timeline that he believes are visions

[burnt wren]

That would explain how did he know...

[rocky wraith]

cuz radio guy and shafer also had memories they shouldn't have. If you look at the logs with this in mind it looks like he knows exactly what he was doing and knew what was going to happen because of these memories

[burnt wren]

I do not like the new Dauda though

I already wasn't a particular fan of the original for being too bland, but new one is the opposite - the man is straight up mad scientist now.
...
"How can we humans forfeit life of these creatures (body horror mutants and body snatchers)" ...
Things only a big brain intellectual could say.

Which is twice funnier considering many a log imply that the man commited plenty of attrocities in the name of science, but experimenting on some unholy alien monsters? That's is where he draws the line? Jesus Christ.

Don't let Woods know, he'll shoot him on the spot, probably.

...actually Woods did hear the entire log~ nevermind...

[harsh pike]

And had no reaction to it

[rocky wraith]

I think it potentially implies that the aliens they found were suffering from the virus+parasite and he didn't like that they were making them suffer far more than necessary. I think these were Allens he was talking about and not human sleepers

[burnt wren]

I didn't get that vibe, but my point still stands.

Even if he talks about someone else - to say that he throws the entire humanity under the bus because he suddenly found his conscience is mad.

[rocky wraith]

I don't think he meant the entirety of humanity and was more meaning the ruthless sadism of the company

But tbf these are mentally unstable people in the first place

They are inherently irrational

[plush nest]

Is there a reason some people call them Allens or is that just a typo?

[burnt wren]

There is a reason, i've never inquired it

Its probably something stupid like maybe during the streams one of the devs accidentally called them Allens and community mocks them for it ever since

[plush nest]

Fair enough

[rocky wraith]

I think it was coined by Frostty, but it's mainly a jokey thing

[eternal talon]

It means nothing honestly. Just a term to distinguish them from the many other species of aliens in the lore. (since they are significantly more lore relevant AND don't have a canonical name as of yet)

Allen sounds like alien and Allen is also a name, sounding more "human/intelligent/sentient"

All the others are just mindless hunters and a really really really big flying cuttlefish

[burnt wren]

just call them Species X or something

[eternal talon]

But that's overdone and isn't as funny

Gotta have a little humor in your lives.

The name itself doesn't matter, Allen, X, or whatever, just that we can easily distinguish them when talking about them than the other aliens.

When you say "the aliens did x y z" someone unfamiliar wouldn't know, and it'd be more of a problem when taking about the aliens being hunters, when specifically taking about the floaters, and not these

[eternal talon]

Wut

Is he a unitologist now or something?

[burnt wren]

Apparently his conscience woke up while experimenting on... someone... and now he's like "eh, whatever, humanity had its chance, its over, let them do their thing"

I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically it. I think he was reffering to sleepers, Beanz thinks he was reffering to The Aliens and honestly who knows.

Mostly i can't assume the latter because so far they basically don't exist in the lore minus that one worker encounter.

[eternal talon]

Also the circle

In r6b1

[burnt wren]

huh

Maybe A1?

The one where we acquire MWP?

[eternal talon]

And maaaaaybe the pipes in (I forget which level) r7 that weirdly glow blue

[burnt wren]

I don't remember anything alien related in R6B1

Laboratories... Teleportation device... Some windy desert... And then its over.

[eternal talon]

You talking about the circle thing we initially get the mwp from in r6?

[burnt wren]

yes

I don't really remember any other circles minus that one screenshot you occasionally post

[eternal talon]

I don't know if I actually have a picture of that one

It was like a weird stone semisphere with rebar sticking out of it

[wary portal]

90 percent of the logs i found was text

the only audio logs i found were the character logs thats it

[harsh saffron]

So far I found 2 State of Truth and Schaeffer audio logs each.

[wary portal]

lmao then i am blind as shit 💀

[wary portal]

how long is it since this place went to shit and current events ?

7 years right

[cold sphinx]

Longer

[harsh saffron]

7 years sounds about right, last (dated) log from inside the complex is 2056 and newest (dated) logs of the warden sending us on missions is 2063.

[wary portal]

👍

[loud rivet]

So, generic question, who are the main four

[loud urchin]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Characters

The playable characters have their own wiki pages with more lore accessible from that page

[loud rivet]

Danke

[strange grove]

anyone else hyped for the state of truth guy gets paranoid and kills his wife arc

[harsh pike]

Wife fight back!

Kill wife!

[peak quail]

Can you play as another character or are you always woods if there are no other humans?

[loud urchin]

if you join somebody else and then they leave, you can play as any character

[peak quail]

I've never had an AI woods /w the biotracker

So I think it would be fun to hear the voicelines

[lost drum]

Are there any interesting findings in the lore? Differences between the old logs, or anything else?

[burnt wren]

All of the characters' backstory logs are different

The general idea and vibe are the same, but they are more on the nose about what they're trying to convey.

#gtfo-lore message

[harsh pike]

can't wait for alt alt r5 where woods says he killed them because they were evil sinners who stole from the cookie jar

[harsh saffron]

@dull crest There is currently a log that can be found on 2 terminals in 2 different expeditions (in R5).
Saw it in both C3 and D1.

[peak quail]

That's just their redundancy data backup terminal

[dull crest]

Thanks!

[burnt wren]

WAIT

Sudden realisation: Dauda could've been talking about Mimics / Specimens / Units.

It makes perfect sense, right?

And he directly mentions Project insight.

Now correct me, but that does has something to do with units, right? Are we yet to have a confirmation what it's about?

If that is the case: I understand him a lot more then.

[pastel ether]

He was part of Project Insight.

[stone vine]

anything interesting in r5 alt

im not even gonna play it

will let other ppl find lore

[harsh pike]

has a lot more lore than the previous 4

[stone vine]

id assume so

getting close to the last alt

will have to wrap everything up :D

ill play r6 alt cuz i feel like they will do something special with alpha

[harsh pike]

r6 patch notes: removed kraken

[stone vine]

kraken replaced with big flying schaeffer

so interested into what he has to say this rundown

[harsh pike]

alt schaeffer (or maybe the logs were like this in original too) seems a lot less

batshit insane

or maybe that's just the passage of time to r7 doing that

[burnt wren]

but we are passing time backwards

he should be at his most insane in R1 and least insane in R7

and to be fair he does gets less insane towards R6

But after R6 its a weird reset on that

He knows way more things than he should, understands way more

He got access to BIOCOM and WARDEN code, and he's smart enough to compare them and notice difference

He managed to pretty much deduct that WARDEN is getting software updates from the outside, but by whom and how...

We really only have 2 possible suspects - Aliens and the NATO Mission, who are CONFIRMED to reach the Gargantha.

Unfortunately one of the logs seems to imply that they made a mistake of going deeper by themselves instead of letting us do the dirty work, so maybe its not them after all...

There is also 3rd suspect: alt universe Wardens, creating a web of Wardens watching out for each other and problem-solving things collectively in "real" time.

[eternal talon]

Allens or Kovac, specifically piros and the higher ups. WRDN was installed before NATO even had heard of garganta

[burnt wren]

But then why is it trying to contact prisoners

You really think KOVAC are trying to become friends with their puppets?

[eternal talon]

questions i'm not currently prepared to answer, but the dates still show it being NATO is a bust.

[burnt wren]

Right.

[eternal talon]

in my opinion anyway, the allens are much more likely than kovac.

[burnt wren]

That does seem to be the most likely explanation at the moment, minus some other unknown party we are not aware of.

[eternal talon]

thats mostly issues of motives though, and the allens fit better because theirs are almost entirely unknown

[eternal talon]

i guess, but even skynet had an origin story before the arm that kept getting sent back in time. its still the same question

[eternal talon]

@burnt wren , you got all r5 logs i can read thru?

they arent on the wiki yet.

[burnt wren]

They're not?

I'm catching up on alt logs right now.

[harsh saffron]

they are

[burnt wren]

So much interesting shit.

There is a log where Warden loses Schaeffer.

[eternal talon]

i'm not seeing them

[burnt wren]

Truth FM is going insane and hallucinating alternative memories.

Something's wrong.

Real wrong.

I think Warden fucked up reality itself.

[harsh saffron]

Oh yeah, forgot to add the link there, once sec the page is already there

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs

I think im missing 1 log tho

[eternal talon]

ty

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been UPDATED with information from ALT//R5.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

[shut mountain]

Here ya go!

[eternal talon]

skipped a couple rundowns, was very unsure what to do with the whole alt//scenario, think i handled it decently.

[keen mantle]

Where’s that?!

[burnt wren]

I'll get back to you once on PC

[burnt wren]

Alt R2 logs, log 76Y-TTF-FWW

[burnt wren]

Hammerstein got nom-nom'd

There we go, I finally caught up

I must say: the misadventures of the NATO team is the single greatest addition to the lore in a while.

Their story is literally a plot to a horror movie.

Especially the part where they reach the Garganta and find the place abandoned. The only thing they hear is the winches of our elevator.

Reminds me of the abandoned outpost from Starship Troopers... I love this kind of shit.

On a side note: I still can't believe Eric Chapman log is real. We didn't need to read that, at all.

[plush nest]

Quick question, with the alt version coming out, will the original lore just be tossed to the side and replace with the alt or are we going to get two different stories somehow. Both of which are true and false?

[burnt wren]

Latter.

Alts are literally a parallel dimension

Old and new logs are true simultaneously

Same goes for RNG audio logs from R6

[plush nest]

So for new plays that play after the game is fully released they only get the one story?

[burnt wren]

I mean... The difference is not that big.

It's the same "story"

[plush nest]

Fair enough there is just some small details

[burnt wren]

If anything the new logs are more on the nose about everything

[plush nest]

Also how do we get back from the red planet after using a wave matter projector ?

I just read the new doc and it’s something that was brought up

[burnt wren]

Shruggium. I guess it remembers point of sending and just brings you back.

We always come back where we were taken from

Meter to meter

[plush nest]

Cause it is a 85:1 ratio for the time

[burnt wren]

Do not even try, modern writers completely ignore that kind of shit

[plush nest]

But I’m the doc it says that we use the wave matter projector to get there and that another one must exists there in order to come back, unless I read it wrong

“To return to earth, a version of it must also exist in Destination's universe.” This part

[burnt wren]

Probably speculation kn Frosty's part

[plush nest]

Kk, it just made it seem like there could be multiple wave matters

[burnt wren]

For me it's far easier to assume that the artifact is big brain and just remember coordinates of origin somehow and returns cargo right back

I mean... There are, also.

Because multiverse.

[plush nest]

Well ya

[plush nest]

I’ll go with this one for now, easier to understand d

[burnt wren]

At least we didn't made the kind of mistake Multiverse of Madness did

[plush nest]

Good point

[burnt wren]

Just reread Woods' new interview

"For though there may be many of me, he is one..."

What a fascinsting choice of words.

If the statement is taken literally with context that we know - it appears Woods is aware of the multiverse.
Yet there is only one mastermind.

[plush nest]

That in the doc or somewhere in logs?

[burnt wren]

Logs

Gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/alt://rundown_5.0_logs

[plush nest]

I really hope that they add our characters reacting to the environment, the game seems very quiet half of the time, the friendly banter would make it seem more realistic

[plush nest]

Do you know what level?

I like to read them then

Assuming it’s not an error wave or something

[burnt wren]

R5A2, terminal in the room with the main objective

It has 5(!) logs on it

Each is is an audio log of our characters

[plush nest]

Oh that one

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately they cut character reactions

In the original R5 characters commented on the logs

They no longer do.

[plush nest]

“That’s not me”

[burnt wren]

I hate you, devs.

[plush nest]

“It breaks the emersion”

No it adds to it, makes our characters feel more alive

It’s unnatural for someone to read something that is basically them and not say a word about it, leads to our characters seeming like mindless robots

Anyway back to work I go

[burnt wren]

Devs trying Gordan Freeman approach I suppose

But Freeman doesn't have much to say and him being chill is pretty much canon at this point

But not our 4 lads

[plush nest]

I wouldn’t be chill if I was told “ hey go get this for me, also there are things that are trying to kill you, and I forgot to give you ammo”

[burnt wren]

Comparing old to new logs is fascinating. Especially Woods.
The other 3 got more insane, more violent, more jumpy, scream more...
But Woods had exactly the opposite effect. He's calmer. More collected. Sometimes it feels like he's talking past people or to himself. And everywhere hints that he's somehow seen this coming.

He reliably answers "no" to the god question though. Probably because he knows it will hurt his "mission".

[plush nest]

God question?

[burnt wren]

A recruiter approaches him and starts asking him questions. His final question is whether or not Woods believes that a higher power observes his actions.

Woods reliably answers simply "No."
Which is:

1. A lie, especially for the ALT Woods.
2. Is hilarious considering Warden exists. I'm surprised Woods just doesn't point a finger at him and asks "What, like this guy?"

This reminds me of Ethernal Summer from Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

[lost drum]

Considering that his memory was erased, does he still remember that this question should be answered no? It's strong

[peak quail]

Is there a lore reason as to why the baby striker plush looks like poorly cooked steak?

[raw terrace]

they look like that

[rain heron]

well, this rundown has been quite an infodump. I admit that Schaeffer basically doing the plot narration for dummies is a little on-the-nose, but given how byzantine it gets perhaps that's for the best in order to get the audience up to speed. Strange that Woods is the only one to actively notice the multiverse shenanigans, but I guess that's the default PC privilege for you

and yeah, I have to second my disappointment at 10C cutting the character reactions. Character interactions and personalities are a huge factor in making games like L4D or Vermintide memorable (Darktide went the opposite direction and look how well that went), so this decision is highly questionable to say the least.

[cold sphinx]

Team captain btw

But sheesh do i love the reaction to logs

[pastel ether]

I think that might be related to a lore reason for why Player 1 is always assigned Woods.

especially if you consider the gameplay experience of playing with 3 bots.

Woods is officially 'Faulty' - and https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#8RT-NSA-BUN.LOG does mention that there are records of fault-class operatives leading squads, but states that Genesis operators (such as Bishop, who is player 4 by default) normally establish themselves as leaders (whilst Bishop, as P4, is effectively the furthest from leadership).

And if you play with 3 bots, you, as Woods, the faulty one, know what you're doing. You've tried and failed through the level an ungodly amount of times, and you're the one commanding the others, who are all acting in the intended non-faulty manner, to get through it. They don't remember anything about their previous attempts. All they know is what's currently happening, and are all acting in the moment, like good(?) little brainwashed soldier drones. Sure, you may not be as good as the others at sneaking past enemies and shooting without waking them all up, but they aren't faulty. You may be the only one bashing in the heads of the sleepers, but you're the only faulty one who is able to put two and two together and think 'hmm, perhaps I should kill them before they have a chance to wake up'.

And, of course, everyone's favourite Higher Power, the Warden, communicates only with you, the religious zealot, whilst everyone else seemingly ignores the higher power whom is issuing you with commandments.

[burnt wren]

Woods is the leader mostly because he's the most experienced in military affairs, bishop and Dauda are not even soldiers.

But his "I know the great plan" attitude helps too

The single greatest change in ALT is how Dauda became a KSO.
The OG Dauda climbed into HSU out of his own will, knowing what they do.
The ALT Dauda did not even know what HSUs do and was basically put into one by... Woods. I think Hackett was about to shoot the guy, but Woods stopped him out of nowhere.

One has to wonder if Woods also did that because he was like "I... Know this man. He's part of my team. Or will be, at least..."

[strange grove]

i think the chimps made him king of the gtfo lobbies

[pastel ether]

On a related note, Dauda's 2nd new audio log has some other implications for this (https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#7UJ-39J-JF2)

• Woods intervenes to stop Hackett from shooting Dauda, and to encourage Dauda to enter the HSU. This implies that Woods/the Warden sees Dauda as particularly valuable - and, of course, Player 2 plays as Dauda by default, so it could be seen as suggesting that Dauda is 2nd in command (or importance) or something after Woods.

• When Woods intervenes, Hackett complains and states that 'the [objective] stack is clear', before complying with Woods' command to exfil. But, after Woods convinced Dauda to enter the HSU, Woods informs the Warden about a 'Stack update. New resource designation. T-3701, assigned. Extract'

  • This implies that Woods' objective stack included a command to effectively 'Shove Dauda into a HSU'. A command which was not given to Hackett or Bishop - only to Woods.
  • And, of course, Woods also talks to the Warden, confirming that he has extracted Dauda, and confirming Dauda's designation - without waiting for KDS personnel or anyone like that or even a hint of hesitation, to confirm that, in this universe, Dauda is still designated as T-3701.

[burnt wren]

I don't think he confirmed his designation - he literally assigned it, himself.

That was all him.

[pastel ether]

well yeah

The Warden is clearly cool with Woods going 'yeah this guy right here is designated with this designation I pulled out of my arse, boss!'

[burnt wren]

The man is making sure the canon is right, kek.

[pastel ether]

anyway calling it now, playing solo as Woods with bots is canon

iirc, in some of the promotional material, I think I remember it saying that Woods, an overly zealous devout Catholic, believes that he is in purgatory and seeking salvation - What if Woods believes that The Warden is the Holy Spirit or something communicating with him in purgatory?

(Or, real crackpot theory here - what if Woods actually is in purgatory with three other sinners all along, whilst The Warden and Schaeffer are actually (agents of) God/Satan trying to claim ownership of the team's souls for eternity? (or schaeffer could just be another soul trapped in purgatory, trying to escape, rather than the aforementioned agent of a higher power))

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#002-E0P-79J does imply that Woods is engaged in a bit of self-flagellation, after all, which implies that he does consider himself to be a sinner seeking repentance (repentance which, y'know, is the whole point of purgatory)

[graceful frost]

could this woods theory be applied to chimp theory? i think the blend of eternal torment and speciation could be the key to understanding the complexity for simon's mind

[pastel ether]

like, the team is as consistent as it as (at least as far as Schaeffer can see) because Woods is trapped in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, trapped within the complex, unable to escape, unable to move on, for eternity.

And as he's trapped in this eternal torment, he remembers these things. He knows that there's going to be an error alarm spawning constant chargers as soon as anyone enters that zone. He knows that there's gonna be an alarm scan that moves around the room in an inconvenient way. He knows that he's gonna have to deal with a tier 7 alarm whilst he's being used as a diversionary tactic. And he knows that his teammates need to be told where to put their sentries and that they are utterly incompetent at using the C-foam launcher.

[pastel ether]

No, it's probably more like Chad Theory.

Woods is the Chad due to the fact that he's stuck in this unending eternal torment - torment which he is fully aware of, and is trying his damned hardest to survive and earn repentance. He dies? He has to go through it all again from the beginning.

[burnt wren]

I don't think it's as pronounced, but premonitions and dejavus do explain in retrospect how our team is canonically a PE first try clearer

Also the purgatory twist probably would be cringe, they rarely ever work

[pastel ether]

Hell, what if the intercepted transmissions in the mission synopses aren't from another team - but from The Team's first ever attempt at the level?

[burnt wren]

That would explain how we never find the bodies of the failed expedition or any sign of struggle

Also all the doors are closed and repaired again

Also there is a log of Warden weirdly asking his database for definition of ALT

What a weird thing for an AI to request

[pastel ether]

but tbf seeing as they specifically made Woods Catholic (rather than a generic christian or any other denomination), and purgatory is a thing in Catholic doctrine (since 1274) specifically... y'know, Chekhov's Gun Papal Bull and all that

[burnt wren]

One of the logs also confirmed that laser beams were precision targeted, and were not just an explosion.

Something down there has an agency and tries to win against the sleepers and it just uses us as puppets to achieve that victory.

[loud urchin]

So long as it doesn't end up being an ender's game type of thing where the prisoners are canonically being remote controlled

[burnt wren]

I just want to see that alien ship, goddammit.

I really do hope they will genuinely deliver with R8.

Either that or... Well have to wait for GTFO 2: The Casualiling

[pastel ether]

Well, from Schaefer's logs from ALT://R3, it sounds as if prisoners are remote-nagged into compliance.

[burnt wren]

COMPLY COMPLY COMPLY

But we're not experiencing that, really

I think our lads are just okay with it

Woods and Hackett especially

[peak quail]

All Star plays on loop until they comply

[pastel ether]

Or I suppose the alarms do

[burnt wren]

Wonder how Chaff fits into all of this.

He just keeps escaping across the multiverse.

Either he's that much of a chaotic character or he's part of the plan too.

Warden just pretends he's a problem, to keep him on his toes.

But in reality his revolution is exactly what it wants.

[pastel ether]

Purgatory theory - he's either another doomed soul trying to escape (but probably will end up failing, due to, y'know, NAM-V), or he's either a metaphor for the serpent (turning the prisoners away from the commands of the higher power) or salvation (trying to rescue them from the eternity of torment).

[peak quail]

The inside revolution

To contain and control it

[burnt wren]

He said it directly, didn't he? He wants to let everyone out of KDS DEEP and lead them to freedom.

[pastel ether]

Yes

[loud urchin]

that's fine enough, so long as the prisoners are in control of their bodies and have agency instead of complete remote control

[burnt wren]

Weird though if Warden can't do it himself, but whatever...

Also I'm starting to get suspicions that humans are not the only thing stored in KDSD

It all leads back to Project Insight.

[loud urchin]

if there's KDS Deep is there KDS Shallow

probably just an abandoned storeroom or bathroom

[pastel ether]

Also, consider his name:

John (baptist)
Schaeffer (derived from German words for 'shepherd' and 'steward')

DAE symbolism???

[burnt wren]

Hm, could be

Only 6 months until we know the truth lads

[pastel ether]

Can't think of anything immediately obvious with Henriksson's name though

[burnt wren]

Don't get hit by a bus or something, would be shame not to see the end

[pastel ether]

Oh and also, with religious symbolism

Frank Bishop

Sure, I suppose his overall personality could be considered rather Frank, but his surname though...

And if you want some really contrived supporting evidence for this shitty theory:

[eternal talon]

wdym???

[cold sphinx]

oh hey frostty

[burnt wren]

There is a log where Dr Stokes is writing a public announcement about a team that got killed, Hammerstein included.

She's the new lead of Project insight.

[eternal talon]

time there is relative. we are if we leave earth for 5 minutes, 425 minutes pass on destination. when we travel back, we come back 425 minutes later relative to earth time. between teleports, warden is waiting days, possibly weeks with the longer missions for us to return and regain contact

[eternal talon]

specifically the coordinates. for example, we have the exact coordinates to destination in our universe, in the butterfly nebula 3k light years away. its something we deciphered from a seriously coded log a long while ago.

[eternal talon]

the doc is just an introductory summary meant to give someone the TLDR on the logs. there are several hundred on the wiki. some, nigh impossible to decipher without community help (some of these took us days to weeks to solve, and one, the allen audio log, is still undeciphered and we've had that since alt//r2

[pastel ether]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#W48-W2K-JKZ

• Hackett is Irish, and was born around 2020 (12 years old in 2032). This means that (in the GTFO universe) he would have been alive during the 2022 Irish Census - according to which, there is a ~69% chance that he is (living in a family which considers themselves to be) Catholic.

• Consider the Mallacht of Colt - the curse was placed on the island in the 19th century by druids who lived there after the Catholics hounded them out. Hackett was brought up by the final family whom still lived on the island, in their mansion which the family clearly had the resources and influence to be able to get built on the island back in the day - and, according to the tabloids, he and his family was still targeted by that curse against the Catholics whom occupied the island of Colt 🤔

[eternal talon]

THE'VE GOT PLUSHIES!!??

[pastel ether]

But then again I can't think of any contrived supporting evidence to find any contrived religious symbolism for Dauda yet

[eternal talon]

destroy them with lazers

[pastel ether]

Purgatory Theory is still an utterly contrived theory derived from my ADHD brain finding symbolism where there probably actually isn't any.

[eternal talon]

101% this

[eternal talon]

hi

woke up to 140~ messages

[cold sphinx]

[eternal talon]

i know that, but your wording makes you say he got eaten alive/turned. didnt think it went that far into detail

just a passing sentence

oh my god that DOES look like a steak. how could they ruin something so simple? #community-news message

bad lighting, but they are like 90% pale af

[pastel ether]

It's unconfirmed how he died (or even if he is dead, and not just turned/HSU'd)

It is my sad duty to report the loss of 4 valued members of the Project Insight team. As some of you may know, several valued team members were sadly taken
killed
lost
died Due to the recent accident...
...
I hope his death was painful. I hope those fucking creatures ripped the flesh from his bones while he screamed.

[cold sphinx]

he smokin tho

[eternal talon]

god it kinda pisses me off, because this is normally something i'd insta-buy

@dull crest do you plan to offer a canon appearance baby striker at some point? the one on the store is a bit... char broiled

[burnt wren]

She wouldn't be writing all this if nothing happened. Also if they got attacked - that's absolutely how they died. Like 80% chance.

[eternal talon]

i bought it.

[pastel ether]

actually, it looks like Hammerstein was suffering from NAM-V in late December 2054 https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs#7GY-HYP-SDW - however, the incident happened on June 12th (presumably 2055) https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs#EYY-GBB-18P.

Not sure how long the incubation period actually is for NAM-V, but there is a chance that Hammerstein might have turned and been the attacker

[raw terrace]

so it was an insta buy

[eternal talon]

not as instant of a buy

had to think about it

[raw terrace]

semi-instant

[burnt wren]

We have namv killing dates kn record let me find them

[eternal talon]

the chances of them making another one is pretty slim

[raw terrace]

:]

[eternal talon]

i've been a part of this community since the the very start, its honestly surprising i haven't bought any merch of it previously

i have an army of plushies from just about everything else

r1bby

[raw terrace]

well gtfo didnt had
plushies till now :^
and some of the shirts tbh are not that cool

[eternal talon]

here is my 10% discout code.

https://loox.io/z/6-OClHSuX

if anybody else is buying it

[raw terrace]

:D

[burnt wren]

"Transition from initial diagnosis to cellular collapse takes approx 6 weeks. We have yet to discover what happens thereafter."

[eternal talon]

i just spent $45 on it with shipping

[solar nova]

Kind of goes to show that the merch store wasn't very good.

[eternal talon]

to be fair that is very true.

a lot of is just generic stuff, mufflers, shirts, hoodies, hats,

then they had the whole painting debacle

[solar nova]

Too much logo merch as well.

[pastel ether]

wonder how Hammerstein managed to last as long as he did then

[raw terrace]

some r cool, the santonian box is based, but not a lot more

[solar nova]

Like, bruh, I don't want to stock up on 20 GTFO logos.

Just give me something non-conspicuous.

[queen gazelle]

I wish there was a gtfo brick

[solar nova]

Also, holy fuck the overpricing on some stuff.

[raw terrace]

do not bring the supreme brick again

[eternal talon]

nothing as non-conspicuous as a burnt mutant baby on your couch

[raw terrace]

:D

[burnt wren]

Now that you mention it does look like he met TF2 pyro

[eternal talon]

100%

cooler is badass

[solar nova]

Tbqh, if you want high qual GTFO merch.

[eternal talon]

imagine if they made the locker into a filing cabinet

[solar nova]

You should get something that's fan-made.

[eternal talon]

3d printer

[solar nova]

Which is sad.

[solar nova]

^

[raw terrace]

i wish i had a 3d printer i want the hel revo and a mask other people made

[pastel ether]

well, I have noticed them in the background of some of 10C's streams/videos

[raw terrace]

they look funk

[eternal talon]

he is the head of a research company. a small army of body guards.

just wasn't good for him that sleepers tear through people like a blender does fruit

[graceful frost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829676758282272802/1119656178314653869/cook.gif

[strange grove]

storage for all the inventory they can't sell

[raw terrace]

anyways gtfo lore

[pastel ether]

As in 'he was displaying NAM-V symptoms in December 2054, but managed to survive until June 2055, despite NAM-V generally killing people within 6 weeks'

[eternal talon]

ah

yeah, thats much bigger issue

[peak quail]

I hate logos so much

Literally just a walking human advertisement

[eternal talon]

you forgot your stickers

[peak quail]

And I hate ads even more

[raw terrace]

so u just wear plain shirts everywhere u go

[peak quail]

Yep

I am currently wearing 0 logos

I put dbrand skins on all my products to hide the logos

[raw terrace]

must b hard to wear only things with one color

[peak quail]

Nah fam, don't sleep on an nice color palette

[raw terrace]

palettes are promotion for flags or other products

if u wore white n red thats cocacola right there

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4irXQhgMqg

[raw terrace]

[peak quail]

Bro has never seen a shirt that just looks good with colors unrelated to the manufacturer??

[raw terrace]

its promotion

u sold urself didnt u, to promote colors

🤮

[peak quail]

Colors are based

Embrace color

[raw terrace]

promotion

for gtfo

... dinner :]

[eternal talon]

it's turkey hunt, a seasonal mod made by @jerryishere, obv not vanilla. hes a good friend of mine

[raw terrace]

dinner

:3

[eternal talon]

here is your vanilla minefield

[peak quail]

That's a rave

[plush nest]

Do we age during that time? Also the warden is a part of bio com correct? Are they two separate programs with bio com being the original decision one, and we don’t know what the wardens purpose it right?

[plush nest]

I would like to give it a try or at least see what it is. It’s on the site right?

And was the warden installed after things hit the fan or before, and was it’s installation planned?

Sorry I have a lot of questions

[eternal talon]

1: i would assume so. 2: no, warden is... technically its referred to as a "protocol" but it is a separate entity to biocom. 3: correct

[eternal talon]

here is the main directory: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs

warden was installed before the facility went dark yes, though we dont know the exact date we know a general estimate

[eternal talon]

clarification on #2: it is installed in biocom's systems, controlling it. its part of biocom in the same way an instance of parasitidae garganta is a part of its human (or otherwise) host

as seen in this log here at a biocom server room, it is still somewhat active, continuously attempting to disable the warden, but the warden stops the exe every time it gets closed to finalizing.

[finite vine]

wdym was its installation planned?

[finite vine]

so currently we think that the warden existed before the fall of garganta, but we only think that because there are like two logs dated around 2054 that have the keyword WRDN: Override in it. Either that keyword existed in the log while it was created in 2054, or it was added by the warden once it got ahold of it? not really sure because “The Warden” is never mentioned by anyone in those logs.

because it definitely seems like the warden was either created by the WHO’s Daylight Mission, Kovac, or the Aliens.

[plush nest]

So the warden uses biocom similar to how a parasite would use it’s host? Since I assume bio com sees it as a virus of sorts hence it trying to get rid of it

[plush nest]

Who ever installed it was it planned or a case where they saw that things were going bad, and then decided to entrust an AI ( I assume the warden is an ai or sorts) with a specific goal to carry on with

[plush nest]

Was there a reason behind it install into bio com?

[burnt wren]

Yeah?... Biocom is a system wide AI that controls the entire facility and got access to almost everywhere. The key to all doors.
Warden is a hijack virus. His function is to inherit biocom's functions to use them for... Whatever it is doing.

[plush nest]

So can the warden open any door it wants? If why do we need to open the doors?

[burnt wren]

Well... No. Not all anyway.

He knows where everything is, can reroute some things, but some security systems are local so he can't do much.

[plush nest]

I assume there are restrictions on what it can do

Ah

[burnt wren]

Oh, we know for a fact there are.

There is a whole log where 2 engineers noticed that Warden (who they assume to be BIOCOM) is trying to reroute lots of power to KDS DEEP and is failing because it doesn't have the authority.

[plush nest]

R7c3 when Schaffer and Hendrickson are opening doors for us, does the warden know about that, or was it the one that opened up the armoury for us ?

[plush nest]

Is there a reason why KDS deep would need more power?

[burnt wren]

"Why is it trying to do that?..."
"Because it wants to."
"But it shouldn't even try. KDSD shouldn't even be in its' jurisdiction! The fact that it even tried to is a major security concern!"
"Youre screaming at the wrong guy, man, go ask The Administrator"

[burnt wren]

Warden thinks so at least. I have a guess that there is... someone it wants to keep alive at all costs, but no evidence for it.

[plush nest]

Wait they hide lore things in the auto gen logs?

[burnt wren]

Warden opens the armory, Henrikson opens the rest.

[plush nest]

So the warden knew that some went wrong and opened it for us, but it didn’t do anything after that?

Also sorry for all the questions

[burnt wren]

It's fine, I'm bored anyway.

[eternal talon]

not auto-gen. those are randomly generated from a pre-determined set of data.

[plush nest]

So it obviously has its own motives or at least who ever programmed it had their own motives

[eternal talon]

i'm specifically referring to ciphers

**ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS
Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)…
ready:_
unknown file type
read:_
MzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzggMzQgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzggMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzYgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzYgMzUgMjA
analyze(_cryptog.all)
…
Analyzing. Wait…

Decoded message: 17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94
Coordinates line up with the location of the "Butterfly Nebula"; Wikipedia Link.
**

this one if i remember correctly, had 3 layers of ciphers, starting with Base64

[burnt wren]

Yep. Someone programmed that thing and in one of the recent logs Schaeffer pretty much spills that it keeps getting patches live from somewhere.

[plush nest]

Oh they don’t like to make it easy

[burnt wren]

There is a bigger mastermind out there and we don't even have a sniff of it.

[eternal talon]

absoloutely not. basically impossible by yourself. they are written for our entire communty to solve and it still takes us days to weeks

[plush nest]

So that jumble of letters when solved would spit out a English log or some sort of log that may be in a different language?

[burnt wren]

It's in the end of the copypaste.

[eternal talon]

**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

This was deciphered using the key "Goldie11", hinted at in the Log "Z24-XC3-821.LOG":**

[burnt wren]

A random set of coordinates kn space.

[eternal talon]

**Why aren't you writing to me? What's going on? I miss you terribly. Are they stopping you from talking to me? Are my emails getting through? I'm so worried. Things are bad out here. People infected everywhere. Houston is on full lockdown now - they have patrols out and they're curfewing by address so we can still go to the market - which are empty - once a week. Someone got shot outside Val-U-Plus last week. I don't think I have it but now they're saying the incubation period is unknown so I don't know. I can't go get tested because because I don't know anyone who has gone to a testing center and come back. They're saying they still don't know where it came from but they think maybe Phoenix. I think I have to tell them what we already but then that's me done with SMC and I think they'd try to kill me. Seriously, I wouldn't put anything past them. I don't know who I'd tell anyway? Maybe Jeremy knows someone in the press or something. I can't speak to anyone here because they're all terrified of Davies and his stoolies especially since Clinton's "accident". Please write me back. Please, just anything to let me know you're all right. I would come and get you but everything is closed. I feel so guilty that I encouraged you to go there. Howie
**

[eternal talon]

not always. most of these use all kinds of characters as seen above

[plush nest]

Any sort of pattern to the ciphers that they use? Or are the just sort of random ones

[eternal talon]

usually completely different, though afik they used Base64 twice

i'm not usually one of those smart enough to crack these

I was only able to really help with the first one because I worked in Base64 before and recognized it

[plush nest]

I’ll have to have a look at some of them, I have done some ciphers before for other games, but haven’t done base64 so I’ll have to learn that

[eternal talon]

its a thing mostly used to compress data

i forget what the other ones they've used before are.

[plush nest]

So a base64 is simple putting things into groups of either 4 or 8 and then solving using binary?

[eternal talon]

"Base64 encoding schemes are commonly used when there is a need to encode binary data, especially when that data needs to be stored and transferred over media that are designed to deal with text. This encoding helps to ensure that the data remains intact without modification during transport. Base64 is used commonly in a number of applications including email via MIME, as well as storing complex data in XML or JSON."

GTFO uses JSON for their DataBlocks so it makes sense

[plush nest]

Consistently?

[eternal talon]

yes. basically all

[plush nest]

Ok I’ll see if I can get some practice solving simple ones before trying the logs

But they are multiple ciphers stack on top on one another so solving one leads to another and so on?

[eternal talon]

here is a pic from Projekt Thermonuclear, my total conversion mod's files. its basically all json.

[eternal talon]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-ogres-have-layers-you-get-it-onions-have-layers-gif-15744640

[plush nest]

Very compressed data

[eternal talon]

that's the plugin PartialData for you. by default it is far, FAR messier

[plush nest]

Oh god I just looked up one and it looked horrible

[eternal talon]

one what

[plush nest]

A base64 cipher for reference

It is so messy

[eternal talon]

.t modding

[ruby lake]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[eternal talon]

i was just talking about Json but yeah

[plush nest]

I’ll see what I can learn in a few days regarding ciphers and see what I can do, got plenty of downtime at work on the weekends

[plush nest]

Are there people in the server that have solved them that have a list of the ciphers that they have used that they wouldn’t mind sharing?

[eternal talon]

im not sure.

[plush nest]

All good, just thought I would ask

[dull crest]

They taste better that way

[finite vine]

I dont think the warden is an AI, well, atleast Schaeffer doesn’t think so. He said the code itself does not resemble an AI, but he's not sure if he was looking at the actual code of The Warden, or just some kind of "output log", where The Warden's code is actually running somewhere else. I would link the Log but im too lasy lmao

[finite vine]

Yea, the problem I have with that log though is they dont mention the WRDN: Override key code in there. Which is really odd.

[burnt wren]

Same.
It literally says: "WRDN".
Not one of them is like "hm, that's an odd one, never seen that, what a weird function name... Must be biocom".

This is "must've been the wind" of GTFO.

[plush nest]

Not really sure what the warden would be then

Could be some bio machine sort of deal but that would imply that it could be infected, and I think that the bio com is that, some sort of mix of biology and machine?

[pastel ether]

I think the 'brain bit' mentioned in one of the logs is a literal 'brain bit'

[plush nest]

I thought I remembered seeing that somewhere but wasn’t sure if I was going insane or not

[burnt wren]

Another log with other 2 engineers discussing biocom

One of them was trying to inquire if something could compromise it (smart guy), and the other was like "absolutely fucking not".

His argument was that only 3 people can do it, out of which:
1st is himself
2ns is dead
3rd never even seen the facility

And he directly mentions that the "organic component" of BIOCOM cannot be "hacked" in a conventional way.

His only suggestion - which he made with a note of snark - was that someone would have to telepathically reprogram it, but of course that would be ridiculous... Riiiiiight?....

[plush nest]

That could be what the warden is

But I am not sure how much that would make sense, I am currently just taking shots in the dark and throwing out ideas

[burnt wren]

Something I noticed catching up on the logs: awful lot of people are experiencing Dead Space style hallucinations. They hear things that aren't there, think that someone is watching them, they scream "Hello?" into the darkness and never receive an answer...
Even started happening to the NATO expedition, and they just made it here.

I used to think it's just a symptom of nam-v damaging the brain, but now I'm worried if its something else.

[plush nest]

Wasn’t there a guy that was seeing shadows, but no one believed him ?

Or them implied that

[pastel ether]

found it https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_2.0_Logs#98G-SDC-2WH.LOG

[burnt wren]

He's seen the shadow and it jumped after him.

Frosty thinks it's the only confirmed sighting of the alien. NOT a sleeper.

[raw terrace]

he described more as like it appeared and disappeared unlike a shdow or was something like that

[plush nest]

I could have a look at that log if I can find it but I remember me and my friends first impression was that he was seeing shadows

[burnt wren]

Worker described it as "two people stitched together".
Any sleepers that fit the description?...

[plush nest]

Mother?

[raw terrace]

nah thats just, an abomination

[burnt wren]

Hm. Not quite stitched... And it didn't made a sound.

Like not a scream, nothing.

[raw terrace]

if i had to guess it was like the 10c soundtrack monster

[burnt wren]

It observed him and only jumped into action when he started running.

[plush nest]

Stitched as in like sewing?

[burnt wren]

That is not a conventional sleeper behavior - they just go for the throat.

[plush nest]

So it watched him first then attacked?

[burnt wren]

Yep.

[plush nest]

That matches nothing

[burnt wren]

Exactly.

[raw terrace]

people probs already denied this but

could it

b?

it looks like two people

[plush nest]

Maybe the snatcher but it doesn’t watch people

[raw terrace]

stiched together

cause 4 arms

[burnt wren]

Dafaq is that

Where did you found this

[raw terrace]

the 10c soundtrack

first video

[plush nest]

Gtg back to work I’ll have a look later

[raw terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILLnzOReqU

[burnt wren]

@eternal talon Do you know anything about this??
I think this fits our worker harasser.

[loud urchin]

given that it's from 2017

I don't think it's that applicable

[burnt wren]

But it fits the description!

That's exactly how 2 people stitched together would look like.

[raw terrace]

maybe the log is like weitten before the game so its made on that

and who knows it might b

an allen

[burnt wren]

Or they are so proud of the model they want to save it for later

[raw terrace]

ksmdkm maybs

[eternal talon]

afik it was an original sleeper prototype that was cut like the old snatcher. I don't even know if it made it to live. if it did, it never made it past alpha/beta before r1 because i'd've remembered something like that.

[eternal talon]

there ya go.

but again, we'd have to wait and see

[burnt wren]

It does fit the description, doesn't it?

[eternal talon]

yes.

in.. seemingly every way.

except i don't know if it can teleport

here is higher quality 1080p

[raw terrace]

ohh

[burnt wren]

I'm headcanoning this guy as the stitched guy until further notice

[eternal talon]

upon closer inspection, it doesn't have two sets of arms.

the upper bits are just.. flaps attached to the armored dome

[burnt wren]

Close enough to me

[raw terrace]

yeah i was like

it looks good enough

[charred vault]

it looks like the prince from katamari damacy but.... alterted somehow.?

[plush nest]

R8 an sleeper that can teleport around

[harsh pike]

is there any explanation for wtf the sleepers spit at us that just. burns us

it's like light itself

[burnt wren]

Are you talking about shooters / sporeheads?

No lore confirmation on that front. Assuming the homing properties are somehow canon - it's either some VERY aerodynamic bone pieces, or it's some form of miniature lifeform.

If we exclude homing then it's easier - clearly some form of bone tissue being shot at rapid speeds via some unknown chemical reaction within those heads.

[loud urchin]

I thought consensus was they're firing off the spikes/protrusions from their head

past that I couldn't tell you

nor will I comment on shadow scouts

[harsh pike]

but they're not spikes, they're glowing white balls

that sizzle when they hit us

like it burns somehow

[loud urchin]

we don't particularly know the physical or chemical properties of the spikes do we

[harsh pike]

dont think so

[clear furnace]

Wait is that the roof tentacle from the og trailer

[finite vine]

it’s most likely just a trojan program used to control BIOCOM and its objective stack. BIOCOM is the AI, using biological computing and quantum computing, and WRDN is just a trojan program that allows an outside user control and manipulate BIOCOMS objective stack. I think the most important question is who/ what is controlling WRDN.

[finite vine]

yea, i guess since BIOCOM does use biological computing, it could potentially become infected. what that would do to it, not sure. It would probably just destroy it.

[finite vine]

Could have something to do with the Aliens and the Matter Wave Projector.

[ocean lake]

why do the prisoners just follow orders with no question

[lilac island]

why does the warden refer to us as "prisoners" even though as far as it knows everyone it's sending down are part of the kovac defense force?

[lilac island]

they can figure out that its either that or be left down there i imagine

but it is also shown that they're mentally programmed to follow orders to a tee

[ocean lake]

so it's like the 2009 Gamer movie

[lilac island]

"i need combat, it's what i trained for"

[ocean lake]

trained doesn't mean forced by C#

[lilac island]

mental programming

like brainwashing

[ocean lake]

oh lol

[harsh saffron]

It's a combination of a few things:
-They get locked in HSUs until they can't remember their past lifes.
-They get a chip implanted into the back of their neck which is used to upload new objectives directly into their brains.
-They get chemical cocktails injected into their brains to balance out any weaknesses or unwanted attributes left from their previous life.
And also what mictoeav said about mental programming.

[harsh saffron]

We actually got a log in Alt R5 about that.

"When Biocom was in control, it categorized the mercenaries as resource units. When Warden took control, it re-categorized them as prisoners. There's no indication that they actually are prisoners though, other than the mercenaries calling themselves that. Warden adopted the term because the mercenaries started using that phrase, so, it believed using that term would control them more effectively."

[harsh pike]

yeah, we're actually kovac security operatives in the legion program but warden just sees us as prisoners

[ocean lake]

so it's a lot more Halo Spartan-esque than anticipated

which is cool

[harsh pike]

i mean we're basically treated as prisoners either way

usually KSO's have next to zero free will even if they're not in garganta kind of situations

but our 4 seem to

[ocean lake]

bleh

I guess our 4 can at least breed afterwards?

or was that removed in the drug cocktail

[harsh pike]

actually made their weiners 3x bigger

[ocean lake]

gtfo lore goes hard

[lilac island]

oh cool

[burnt wren]

Yo, wiki people.

We lost page for OG rundown 001 logs, can't find it.

[harsh saffron]

There were no logs in og R1

[burnt wren]

That's new to me

[harsh saffron]

I think the auto gen log was already there but R2 was the first one with acutal specific ones

[burnt wren]

Fascinating

[harsh saffron]

Caught me off guard a little, I was confused for a second as well ^^

[burnt wren]

That means all alt1 logs are completely new and original

[harsh saffron]

yup

[burnt wren]

I've decided to go through each logs and compare them between OG and alt

So far there is a pattern: everyone is more unhinged in alts

More Agressive and to the point. Weird.

I think the multiverse is affecting their mental stability.

[solemn kraken]

Mine as well man

[burnt wren]

Hm, alt R4 Schaeffer is a lot more stable

The OG one could barely think or talk coherently, but alt one is almost normal.

Mr Truth is losing it though...

[plush nest]

Can someone explain what the legion program is? I think I might be getting details mixed up

Is it a sub set of the KSO’s?

[pastel ether]

Legion = KSOs

[burnt wren]

• Legion = KSOs, brainwashed drones of BIOCOM in human skin (like us).

• RISE = Artificial Units (mimics) who were meant to replace us since they could just breed them into specific tasks, and most importantly - they could improve their immunity so that NAM-V has nothing to work with.

• Project insight = a research projects centered around whatever it is they find down there... Most notably - I think they managed to secure some... Specimens...

[burnt wren]

Hmm. Alt R4 does not mention evacuation procedures. OG did.

Instead alt R4 mentions Project Insight. The OG didn't.

[plush nest]

Thank you that clears things up

[burnt wren]

OG Andrew Clinton had a son, while ALT A.C. had a daughter. Huh.

[cold sphinx]

Wait so the KSO are like the prisoners?

When you said brain washed i thought it was like the mutant thingy from OG r6

[burnt wren]

Okay, now this is interesting.
The Curse of Colt log has been rewritten to directly namedrop Hackett. The OG did NOT mention 2nd name and literally the only connection was through the name of Hackett's brother - Cormac, which was vague to say the least. It seems writers were disappointed and decided to just namedrop Hackett directly as to clear the picture.
To reiterate: at age of 5 Hackett observed her mother fall of a cliff (or jump willingly, unconfirmed either way) and at the age of 12 he (accidentally?...) shot his brother in the neck during a hunting session. His life has been rough.

[burnt wren]

KSOs are the prisoners. That is who we are.
Kovac Special Operatives.

Memory wiped and plugged into BIOCOM to follow its' every whim.

[cold sphinx]

But we are getting out of it right?

R7D2 gives out some huge noticeable stuff like that

[cold sphinx]

That would explain new Alt 5 A3 log for dauda

[burnt wren]

We have a device in the back of our necks that gives us commands. Schaeffer had to remove it, otherwise his own thought process was deafened by demands to comply.

And he also removes it from Henrikson in R7C1.

[plush nest]

Our character still have them no? We just receive orders from Schaffer since he is now in control of the warden?

[burnt wren]

But ours are... Still there? Maybe?

[cold sphinx]

Oh yeah

[harsh pike]

The brainwashing thing has always confused me

[cold sphinx]

I mean we still followed orders but we temporarily stopped to get the trojan

[plush nest]

Take sponge, open skull and wash

[cold sphinx]

So its like a short circuit shutdown maybe?

[burnt wren]

Yeah, the events of R7D2 perplex me to this day.

[harsh pike]

Our characters have free will. The 'interrupted communications' before every level have characters saying shit like "fuck that I'm not going in there" or one dude straight up killing himself from stress

[burnt wren]

Something fishy happened there.

[cold sphinx]

Btw love the video @harsh pike

[harsh pike]

Which you dont think a brainwashed drone would be able to do

[harsh pike]

Thank you king

[cold sphinx]

I mean if you listen to A3 dauda log

[plush nest]

Also can are character die?

[cold sphinx]

It is very clear that the first 3 had very similar behaviors as drones

In terminator

Serving skynet(warden)

[harsh pike]

Yeah that's true but something must have changed since then

Either that or the lore is just inconsistent with KSOs

[cold sphinx]

No

Idk how but it revolves around the fact all fled to KDS deep

Hey @burnt wren

Im curious about the sentries working

How do they distinguish between humans and monsters

Both are living and moving targets

The bio tracker is a good thing to take notice of

But does it goes on the sentries to make it as the sentries possessed a bio tracker of their own and work using it?

[burnt wren]

One of the logs mentions something related to that... Let me find it

Aha!

This is actually an addition to an already existing R4 log that did not mention this:

"Biometric scanners to auto-engage sentry turrets as necessary (make sure your biometric records are UP TO DATE)"

Apparently facility had preinstalled turrets around the place that would shoot anyone without the correct biometric credentials.

I guess our turrets have a portable version of a biometric scanner installed, hence the scanning light.

Biometric does not check out? Open fire.

Doesn't even have to be a sleeper. You could put a random family in front of it it would gun everyone down.

[raw terrace]

nice thoughts cool thoughts

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rukako-ruka-urushibara-but-he-is-a-guy-steins-gate-gif-20673376

[eternal talon]

to go where exactly? earth is done

[cold sphinx]

No

[eternal talon]

yes.

permanently

[cold sphinx]

Out of the wardens control

Not exactly where

[eternal talon]

even if we try to go to different earths, we'd infect them and have the same result

[cold sphinx]

Hmmm

[eternal talon]

without the warden and hydrostasis, we'd be dead in weeks. there is no victory to be had

[eternal talon]

*from the virus

[cold sphinx]

True but there hasn’t been an antidote huh

[eternal talon]

no natural immunity

we've known this since ogr6

[cold sphinx]

And HSU are just a get away

[eternal talon]

hsu is a temporary cure, like a cleanse

[cold sphinx]

But it also kills you in the process

[eternal talon]

but can't stop from being re-infected or stop its progress

[eternal talon]

the spiritual -- you

[cold sphinx]

Huh

So everytime you jump in a fraction of memories get poofed

[eternal talon]

no memories, no personality, under the full effects of hydrostasis in the EF01 audio logs, bishop was more robotic than even warden or biocom was

only orders, no self-determination

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

Could say the same to Alt R5 dauda logs meeting The gang

[eternal talon]

no, it was worse than that

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

let me see if i can fetch it

[cold sphinx]

I know its worse

But its the same at that

[eternal talon]

the alt dauda log had more... personality, like we are now under the warden

[cold sphinx]

Yep

So which did you like more

Alt dauda or og dauda

[eternal talon]

they are both horrible horrible people

its like comparing stalin and hitler

i don't like either

[cold sphinx]

About the feel when listening/reading them tho

I loved OG because it had the background going on

[eternal talon]

in terms of presentation, the old one

with sleepers breaking down the bulkhead

[cold sphinx]

With monsters just banging relentlessly

They could break the bulkhead doors?

I mean the normal garage doors are pretty easy to break seeing their seer numbers and strength combined

But a security door/bulkhead door?

I dont know how that would go

[cold sphinx]

Big chargers not a problem but normies?

[burnt wren]

New Dauda scares me

Threw humanity under the bus

Bad time to start discovering your morals, mate

And I do love how the OG screams "Let the world know that Dr Dauda is revealed to be a COWARD!"

[cold sphinx]

Redemption given

[burnt wren]

Such dramatics. New Dauda is just tired.

[eternal talon]

here are the two wavs btw

[burnt wren]

Anyway back to comparisons

[cold sphinx]

Ye

[burnt wren]

There is a major change in a letter Schaeffer was writing to Clinton.

[cold sphinx]

Oh we back to which one rn?

Remind me pls

[eternal talon]

also +++ alt// schaef isn't a pit boss

[burnt wren]

Rundown 5

[cold sphinx]

I like it when Schaffer got chased by a tank

[burnt wren]

Regarding their excavation progress

[eternal talon]

he doesn't even work for SMC anymore, in alt he works for dreyfus directly, right?

[cold sphinx]

Idk how he survived it

[burnt wren]

There is a whole new section in ALT letter about Schaeffer "knocking up a prototype" and asking it to be installed.

[cold sphinx]

Could it be

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[cold sphinx]

That R7 will get alt and maddox makes us new tools weapons

Hennrickson is let out sooner and we mine more lore

[burnt wren]

"I need better software to manage crews working concurrently on multiple levels. I knocked up a prototype last night..."

[eternal talon]

(spoiler: they can't. they'd have to completely re-write how weapons are coded in the game. they are all pre-built in the datablocks and aren't editable in-game)\

[burnt wren]

This is nowhere to be found in the OG

[cold sphinx]

Shit

[burnt wren]

Either this Schaeffer is smarter or he does indeed has more jurisdiction

[cold sphinx]

Schaffer being smart?

[eternal talon]

in three separate files none-the-less, (Archetype, PlayerOffline, and GearCategory

[cold sphinx]

Mf threw us under the bus to die at R7D2

[eternal talon]

they all cross-reference eachother

change one, it all breaks. has to be done in tandem

[cold sphinx]

Dang it

[eternal talon]

because of Projekt Thermonuclear, i have a pretty good idea of how everything works under-the-hood. (having messed with it all during development)

[cold sphinx]

I mean

I could love to have a new of enemies

[eternal talon]

we can do those easily in modded.

[cold sphinx]

That could literally bend elements and or realities

[eternal talon]

PT even has one, though it doesnt have a custom model like most others

[cold sphinx]

Like a fleshed out new enemy

[burnt wren]

Alt Hackett is a lot more unhinged.

[eternal talon]

also possible, hell, they've made entire status effects. (like bleed)

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

Ik

[burnt wren]

Old one was quite a lad, very likeable.

This one is ready to stab you.

[cold sphinx]

But im imagining a enemy that could become a whole electric ball like the radioactive surges in ganes like atomic heart

[eternal talon]

i wonder how much they will change the den.

[cold sphinx]

Adding more story into the surrounding would work fine

[burnt wren]

Old Bishop was trying to talk to Davies, get it sorted out.
New Bishop just wants to kill him.

[eternal talon]

schaeffer's cleaning cupboard of a hideout

[cold sphinx]

Chad see chad takes

But alt bishop really gets the paranoid him out

Instead of being resonable

He kills straight on

[eternal talon]

its a bit surprising they never really went all-out with special weapons, like a extremely limited ammo cannon or the like.

yet they did with primaries, ala hel-pistol

[cold sphinx]

Flame thrower POV:

Wishing for new fleshed out animated enemies

[cold sphinx]

Like different bone structures and animations

[cold sphinx]

I saw and I honestly was a tiny bit disappointed

That would be inconsistent

As you are issued what you get

Imagine trading weapons in missions

While some one give the pdw the other guy hands him@the sentries

And the guy sits there calling Sentry down like TF2

[eternal talon]

also funny that not ONE dead KSO we encounter has a weapon

[cold sphinx]

Well

It could had been that there were another group passed though

[raw terrace]

snatcher has a collection of guns like how spiders in pikmin carry things
that's my headcanon

[cold sphinx]

Or devs are just lazy

[eternal talon]

like the lack of bathrooms at all, and the only cantine is in a log?

or the stairs to no-where?

[raw terrace]

what stairs

idk about that

[cold sphinx]

To heaven maybe

[eternal talon]

you see them in a ton of levels. issues with how the level tiles assemble

[raw terrace]

...

which ones?

[raw terrace]

like the um

[eternal talon]

most

[raw terrace]

floodways stairs?

that kinda are in vehicles n stuff?

[eternal talon]

no, stairs that go up or down, and just end at a wall

the ones in r6d2 were especially bad

[cold sphinx]

Gamers when the game hands out lore for you:

[raw terrace]

ah

now i know

[eternal talon]

GTFO-LFD ftw

[cold sphinx]

Vs GTFO that tells you go get it dumbass:

[raw terrace]

that happens in other tiles too it's funky

like on r6b1, the like one room with the key that did a turn to a wall

it's fun

[eternal talon]

i made another one of these stupid memes a long time ago, let me see if i can find it

[cold sphinx]

Enjoy

I made it in 15secs

Fuck

[eternal talon]

"If we ever get to see what Ancient Destination looked like:"

[cold sphinx]

The C is next to X

[cold sphinx]

For a moment i thought that was hackket

[eternal talon]

this one i made from scratch in Unreal Engine 3 using a tool called Worldmaker

[cold sphinx]

Zamm

[eternal talon]

its just a generic model the program has

[cold sphinx]

You’re that good

[eternal talon]

well it offers a fuckton of pre-made assets

[cold sphinx]

Most based GTFO person ever

[eternal talon]

you just gotta slap them together

[cold sphinx]

Nah

Too much

Brain rot goblin mode

[eternal talon]

if you want to see my ACTUAL work, i reccomend you play through my total conversion mod, Projekt Thermonuclear

[burnt wren]

ALT Woods got 1 less kill during his rampage. 17 instead of 18.

[eternal talon]

i'll dm it u

[cold sphinx]

Bruh

You don’t remember me

I was in addition to voicing but my life said no

[eternal talon]

oh.

[cold sphinx]

Dw

I have full support

[eternal talon]

regardless, i spend too much time with gtfo stuff

been playing since OG r1. about half a decade ago

[cold sphinx]

Who did he spare

[eternal talon]

afik it doesnt say any names

[cold sphinx]

Oh

Thats weird

[burnt wren]

Not only did alt Woods got 1 less kill, but he himself got shot one extra: this time it took 9 bullets to stop him instead of 8.

[cold sphinx]

Chad woods

[burnt wren]

What a fucking tank.

[cold sphinx]

God is with him all along he did say

I would ask for the tanks origins but i dont know if we have much on it

[cold sphinx]

Like did it just pop out of nowhere or any specific details i never heard of

[eternal talon]

Leadbelcher.mp4

[cold sphinx]

Fav main: night walker btw

Fav special was the oni

[eternal talon]

oni was a really interesting gun to make. i really do like it. short controlled BRRRRTs.

[cold sphinx]

Suits very well to my play style

[cold sphinx]

The bull pup at full blast

[strange grove]

hop on pre-patch

[burnt wren]

Jordy found a new way to go. Log got expanded by like 50%.

In the original a worker named simply Jordy saluted to his ops officer and jumped into the drill, with predictable results.

In ALT... He stepped into a shower of acid instead.

[cold sphinx]

Hop on GTFO we got :SENTRIES NOISES AND SCANNING LIGHT SHOWS

[burnt wren]

Okay, so... The guy above Shaff was a grate S asshole

I think it was Clinton?...

So he writes to Shaff:
"Hey, stop talking to your friend. He's a tier 2 clearance for a reason, you're better than this."

Also him, writing to the same friend:
"Go and install Hearsay system here. This is 2 tiers above your current clearence. Tell no one of this. I'm giving you this job because I see potential."

So which one is it, Mr Clinton? These 2 can't be true simultaneously. I think you're just pressuring Shaff for the fun of it and to make sure he's under your boot.

[cold sphinx]

Protection of classified info maybe?

[burnt wren]

Funnily enough I think this is the game guy that got obliterated by the beams when it hit the helipad.

[cold sphinx]

Beams!?

[burnt wren]

You're not aware of the beams?

[cold sphinx]

No

Do tell me more

[burnt wren]

The holes that we ride our elevator through in every mission.

They are not there by design. Not by human one anyway.

[cold sphinx]

Huh

[burnt wren]

Something from the deep fired a bunch of high density beams.

[cold sphinx]

Deep enough and it reaches the earth minimum for core ejects

Ventilations of the earths core maybe?

And we happen to time our drops

[burnt wren]

Nope, pretty much confirmed a weapon.

[cold sphinx]

Hmm

What a weird ass weapon

1000+meters

The hell could they store down rhere

[burnt wren]

It fired when sleepers were on the process of overtaking Garganta. All precision fired at hotpots where Kovac defenses were engaging the horde. Heavy casualties on both sides, but Kovac secured the victory and pushed sleepers back into the depth.

[cold sphinx]

Fired from the hole or into the hole?

And btw nice job kovak

Pushing the horde ain’tno joke

[harsh pike]

i think it was to destroy the ways in and out of garganta

cause honestly garganta seems to be a self-solving problem

all they do is sleep

[cold sphinx]

Wait patiently for the hunt