gtfo-lore

[pastel ether]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs

[past matrix]

so whats new

[pastel ether]

(ignore the TODOs)

[stone swift]

Just realized the crops on the wiki only start with the "Opening Log" bit so I'll crop them that way in the future

[pastel ether]

tbf I'm not the person who normally adds the logs to the wiki so I have no idea what I'm meant to be doing either lol

[stone swift]

Lol right on

[past matrix]

tbh not a big of a fan of the script-style text logs and shit

but not that big of a deal

is schaeffer's morse code still in r4b1

[final sentinel]

im not a fan but it also gives context

it's very nice to put it in a place

[stone swift]

There was a weird glitchy terminal emitting strange signal like noises in R4A1

[pastel ether]

inb4 it's intentional meta shit

[stone swift]

Didn't get a recording but it could've been morse code?

[past matrix]

so... there was no pipe banging?

😦

[pastel ether]

I wasn't paying attention to that in R4A1 lol

[past matrix]

best part of r4b1 was opening the security door and hearing loud scary-ass noises

[stone swift]

R4B1 Log with Audio

[pastel ether]

aaand uploaded (imma get some sleep now though)

[finite vine]

holy shit the deepest shaft is 4200 meters?

also wonder what that unregistered affiliate allocation space is

also why is Igor getting this info and who is he sending it to?

[plush nest]

what are the robot guys in r4 and were they in there originally?

asking for myself and a friend

[stone swift]

R4B2 Log 1

R4B2 Log 2

[stone swift]

R4B3 Log 1 with Audio

R4B3 Log 2 with Audio

[final sentinel]

O_o

[stone swift]

R4C1 Log 1

R4C1 Log 2 w/ Audio

R4C1 Log 3 (ty Rayalot for posting earlier, I'm just reposting for consistency and to provide a location)

R4C2 Log

R4C3 Log

That concludes logs I found from the missions I've run so far. Will be doing the last three probably this weekend and will post those then assuming others haven't yet

There also very well may have been some I've missed since I didn't explore every branch for stuff like keycards

[wary portal]

Man doing all room in c2 is going to be ass.... :/ so many rooms

Anyway any ideas what "turned" or why teale said oh god in the b3 log

[keen mantle]

I assumed it was Mia who is changing in front of him

[wary portal]

Am curious how she is changing if her head is splitting open or losing skin or the parasite busting trough her skull or some shit

[final sentinel]

I’d assume she’s turning into a shooter because of the dimorphism we see in sleepers body types

Maybe she’s itching to get those growths through the skin o_O

i don’t think I have ever felt physically disconcerted by a log in this game before but well, thanks R4B3

[final sentinel]

man on relisten I'm almost tempted to say scout, but that's just me ._.

[eternal talon]

Meat puppets.

[final sentinel]

oooh ok I was waiting for your input on this!

[eternal talon]

The host doesn't die, it's just being controlled. If it has eyes, ears, or other senses, (and isn't a striker so still has an intact brain or is in early stages of infection), it is fully aware

It's like the flood in halo.

[final sentinel]

never played halo :3

[eternal talon]

Looking through your rotting eyes while this tentacled monstrosity twists and contorts your body, moving you along to wherever it wants to go with zero input of yours considered

[final sentinel]

but basically that wasn’t Mia talking in the second part

[eternal talon]

You are flesh to the parasite, nothing more. A vehicle, and it's jumping in the driver's seat.

[toxic wagon]

What is the hot topic lore of ALT R4 so far

[final sentinel]

the R4B3 log imo

[toxic wagon]

I c

Maybe I'll start doing R4 runs after work today

[final sentinel]

here

idk man this log is creepy like no other

[eternal talon]

i just listened to the audio version, 100%.

[keen mantle]

Wait. HOLD the fuck up. The “Mia” second thing spoke in a completely different voice?

If that’s the case, then the parasite could be a whole new level of sentient.

[rocky wraith]

theorised before it had a collective conscience that spanned the membranes, but we've had no evidence before to support it

[keen mantle]

Ah ok

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkgb5J_gctM

[strange grove]

please stop posting non-relevant links in lore channel

[stone vine]

:3

[willow geyser]

blocked

[honest merlin]

R4D2

[honest merlin]

Another D2 log ^

[stone vine]

im confused the way im supposed to read this

[final sentinel]

feels like somebody experimenting with how to write

[stone vine]

yeah like a draft

like a script

[final sentinel]

either somebody drafting a letter or Biocom/WRDN creating something

[stone vine]

its odd

that was in 2055 anything else that could possibly help

idk maybe give context clues

[solar nova]

Stokes, acc. to the end.

[stone vine]

so he was writing for others

[final sentinel]

yeah, was just wondering if one of the AI's was impersonating her

[stone vine]

her

oops

[final sentinel]

all fine

i assume you didn't play R6

heard her voice a LOT

[stone vine]

i did i just forget

not good with names

[lofty warren]

Maybe it wasn’t and ai maybe it was a person starting to lose their mindz

[stone vine]

yeah what im thinking is she was writing the announcement for it and its not completely abnormal for such a secretive company to wrtie who will say what

and shes got some mental stuff going on

that or something is influencing her

[solar nova]

Besides her potentially being sick, I'm not sure why the assumption would be she's being influenced or that this isn't her writing.

[stone vine]

no like something is influencing her mentally

[solar nova]

This just looks like a schizo notepad.

[stone vine]

thats what im saying

[final sentinel]

i mean I think it's her, jsut trying to explore every possibility

[stone vine]

sorry poorly worded

[final sentinel]

but yeah, probably her bc she really fucking hated hammerstein

[solar nova]

Looks normal enough to me.

[stone vine]

lol

[final sentinel]

can't wait for the E1 lore

[stone vine]

r4e1

lovely

[final sentinel]

also they were attacked 4020m down

[stone vine]

yeah

says there may be some potential foreshadowing

for where we r going

[solar nova]

W8, isn't that an insane depth?

[stone vine]

yep

[solar nova]

I thought we capped out at 2km

[final sentinel]

not even iirc

[stone vine]

yeah like 1800

meters

[final sentinel]

R7E1 is 1411

[stone vine]

maybe not 1800 even then

jesus

[final sentinel]

yeah R7E1 is the deepest mission iirc

[stone vine]

yeah thats like really far down then

also to wipe out a whole team of very important people

whatevers there must also be pretty important

[final sentinel]

each rundown seems to add abouyt 100 meters

[stone vine]

wouldnt be crazy to see a random huge drop though

[final sentinel]

yeah ig

[stone vine]

i assume r8 is going to tie this all together

[final sentinel]

if R8 really did have a lot of levels and started off deep

oh and that one location, the biggest single room

Valiant Chamber

OH

[stone vine]

log for that?

i havent been caught up on much

[final sentinel]

They were at the deepest point

like 180m from it but that's probably where they were headed

[stone vine]

thats the place

the shaft

[final sentinel]

yeah shaft 17b

[stone vine]

where they all died funky

interesting

[final sentinel]

OH

[stone vine]

yep

exactly

[final sentinel]

Intrepid Chamber

so maybe near Valiant Chamber

[stone vine]

yeah so honestly a random drop into this area seems likely

deep is a very reoccuring theme

we all know thanks to a certain someone

intrepid and valiant both mean like fearless, courage, anything along those lines

interesting names for random holes in the ground?

[final sentinel]

probably took a lot of courage to go down there \

[stone vine]

i suppose

i woulda called it something cooler

so essentially

they drilled that deep in the ground and then decided 2 years later to send a team

it went bad

everyone died

oh i finally managed to read it properly yeah so shes definitely just writing a script for herself

and trying to find out who people were so she can say things abt them

welp were definitely going to find something out in e1

especially next rundown e1

[final sentinel]

yes

very excited for more KDS deep lore

[stone vine]

where better to find that out than kds deep

[solar nova]

We've still not a clue where that elevator goes, lol.

[stone vine]

is this from this rundown

btw

[final sentinel]

yes

[solar nova]

I remember we were so sure in R5 that this was building to R6.

[stone vine]

yeah we get more r7 stuff

[final sentinel]

it was further up in the channel

[solar nova]

And then we get to R6 and we just don't use it, lol.

[stone vine]

Modular Enterprise Space

[final sentinel]

I mean we technically do

the R6 intro had us going from an entrypoint in R5E1

[solar nova]

It always says that.

The elevator is not used.

[final sentinel]

yeah

maybe ALT R6 will be different, who knows

[stone vine]

alt r6 is gonna be crazy

bc of the matterwave projector

we keep getting hints thats what ties us to alt

[final sentinel]

what if R6D4 is what closes the alt timelines

and that's why R7 won't be alt

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stone vine]

im thinking that yeah we get tied back in r6

[final sentinel]

idk just spitballing

[stone vine]

i mean it makes sense

and as of now we dont have a lot of info

did u see what i said before abt r7 location its on ther

[final sentinel]

R7 would be interesting in that context, maybe it would get an extension

[stone vine]

there**

[final sentinel]

no

[stone vine]

modular enterprise space

thats where RISE

is

it says

[final sentinel]

what is rise again?

[stone vine]

r7

:D

its funky

no clue what it means but its clearly important

[final sentinel]

well yaeah ik R7: rise

[stone vine]

thats what i mean idk specifically what RISE did

[solar nova]

The Rise Project is just making new KSOs from scratch.

[stone vine]

oh the

thing w the baby

[final sentinel]

ah right, Unit 22 /23 and all that

[solar nova]

DIY/at home

[stone vine]

yeah so basically r7 is baby grow funny time and is also in this place

[final sentinel]

well Project RISE and R7 RIse are a little different bc I don't think WRDN planned to be jacked into

[stone vine]

hmmmm thats true but theyre still connected

idk they keep giving us bits and pieces

hard to like settle on one answer

[final sentinel]

yeah super excited to see what else we get, this is the only rundown aside from R6EXT that I've actually felt invested in the lore

[stone vine]

i havent been that into lore since r3

regular r3 LMAO

why im not exactly like 100% updated i might need to go read lore for dummies

[solar nova]

R4 and R5 had the most material at the time, I think, and they introduced a lot of new info.

[final sentinel]

ray what level was this from?

[solar nova]

End of R4C1, looks a lot to me like an old log from the OG R4A2 as well.

[final sentinel]

ok makes sense then, saw 44c and wondered if it corresponded to an ingame zone

R4A2 has a 44 so yeah

[stone vine]

hold on there was a working email

[final sentinel]

and I think that's where one of the Cryo cases is

[stone vine]

thats so cool

[final sentinel]

ahhhhh modular enterprise space, wasn't Project Insight the MWP stuff?

[stone vine]

thats what i was saying

mwp?

[final sentinel]

yeah i got that now

wonder if all of levels like R6D1 counts as MES

[stone vine]

sorry what is mwp

[final sentinel]

also for such a scary artifact, the MWP was not exactly secured very well

Matter wave

[stone vine]

ohhh

[final sentinel]

projector

[stone vine]

idk how that didnt click

[final sentinel]

crystal warp tube

[stone vine]

yeah i got u lmao my brain didnt piece mwp as matter wave projector LOL

[final sentinel]

hiiii frosty

[eternal talon]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST 172 MESSAGES *73

[final sentinel]

:3

[stone vine]

:3

[final sentinel]

we had a mild discussion

[stone vine]

medium hot

dude

wait

i cant say this

[eternal talon]

interesting.

[stone vine]

are we allowed to speak about like not in game things

as in not yet

but not unknown info

[eternal talon]

im sorry, 2058?

[eternal talon]

fucking called it apocalypse

[eternal talon]

datamined content not in game? technically yeah, but its not considered canon unless its been accessible vanilla at least once so it doesnt matter

[stone vine]

ah gotcha

[eternal talon]

stuff like grenades and deployable cover obv arent canon

same with old snatcher

[stone vine]

i was thinking more so tiles

but i dmed it

[eternal talon]

i'd think tiles would fall under the same.

[stone vine]

dont wanna get in trouble with mods anymore teehee

[eternal talon]

they've been removing a lot of tiles in the code from lab recently, afik

[stone vine]

hmmm

ok so its 50/50

i wonder what r8 new tiles will be

[eternal talon]

100% he stole credit and named the parasite after himself, (parasitidae hammerstein) AND everything recovered from the inner (hammerstein collection), huge dick

[stone vine]

i agree w her i hope he got eaten

i hope it was the big alien at the bottom of the hole

[eternal talon]

i mean the inner is 2k meters down. it cant go that far

[stone vine]

i mean we have schaeffer

what if we go off course

[eternal talon]

off course how? digging to the center of the earth?

[stone vine]

i mean following the drill tunnels

somehow that group got to 4200 meters

it is 100% accesible

[eternal talon]

4,200 here HAS to be the very very bottom of the inner, otherwise da numbers be fucky

(its a giant egg shape)

[stone vine]

mmmm egg

[eternal talon]

egg/fossil/inner are all canonical terms for the same thin

the allen ship

[stone vine]

yesss

ik egg

the rlly big weird thing thats basically an artifact

[eternal talon]

bio mutants. test tube humans grown super super fast to serve as soldiers as a part of legion. (problem: they still have the minds of children despite adult bodies)

[stone vine]

thats actually rlly scary

[stone vine]

its like the 20 toddlers vs 5 4th graders thing

unit 23 is basically a great example of that

follows schaeffer around

acts curious and annoying]

[eternal talon]

... was gonna post the copypasta if i didn't see this. kek

[stone vine]

pls

im so like not caught up on people or places

i only rlly care about the virus

more sleeper lore

[eternal talon]

matter wave projector. basically both a teleporter + a thing to change the frequency that your molecules vibrate at (like a valkyrie singing at a certain pitch to shatter glass) so that you fall in line with a different universe/worldline

[stone vine]

yes i got that dw

[eternal talon]

ALLEN STUFFS

[stone vine]

very much brain computational error

love allen

we still havent figured out alien log have we LMAO

[eternal talon]

big alien? you mean the kraken? afik it is infected native life to destination, so wouldn't be on the ship. (not that it'd fit anyway.)

corridors are described as obsidian-like lava tubes in terms of appearance

[stone vine]

no no

queen sleeper

i mean unidentified alien

essentially i mean either some new thing

or queen blob/ sleeper theory

4200 down seems like way too far for it to be boring regular strikers plus they deal w those all the time

[eternal talon]

that... i have no idea. they are a hive, so they should have a queen, but i haven't the slightest idea on what it'd be

something like the kraken i presume

[stone vine]

theyre a rlly interesting hive

well

the only thing im gonna say it probably is is a cluster of human and alien

[eternal talon]

if anything, it'd probably be a sea of gunk

[stone vine]

if u think abt it the queen is the most direct source from destination

as in its probably not an infected human or anything artificial

so its probably something like what we see from destination

but worse and clustered with other things

[eternal talon]

we dont know that. if the inner was an escape craft, its probably the queen that developed would be an infected allen, yes, but we know they also had countless specimens from different universes onboard

[stone vine]

yes but not humans essentially

it could totally be something completely weird

[eternal talon]

im thinking something like the monster from the thing

[stone vine]

what im saying is the alien is definitely an alien o-o

its not gonna resemble a human

which is gonna be kinda freaky

[eternal talon]

it'd be creepier if it did in ways.

[stone vine]

ur honestly right

[eternal talon]

i mean the whole meat puppet concept is creepy enough

its literally the flood 2.0

[stone vine]

if over time just sleepers collected into the mass and like formed something gross

we know theyre in it

wave sleepers are a thing

and yk how they turn purple and seep into the floor

explains the purple coloring

[stone vine]

somehow it reobsorbs itself

very efficient recycling

[stone vine]

im still confused as to what exactly that is

[eternal talon]

it was the trailer thing from the website meant to tease the snatcher

[stone vine]

oh is it like the inside of the snatcher ?

it looks more like mushrooms to me

[eternal talon]

yeah. people have commented on that its nothing like the actual snatcher, but i digress.

[final sentinel]

Oh Frosty do you know anything about 17b?

The chamber the Insight workers were in when they got torn apart?

[gilded vine]

ikr

[eternal talon]

I have no idea, but I can have a quick look. I remember having a conversation about a specific zone's ID that was mentioned in multiple logs a long ass time ago

[final sentinel]

not a zone, a shaft

it's apparently the deepest point in Garganta

[eternal talon]

Then no clue

[final sentinel]

k

[eternal talon]

Also... that being the deepest point in "garganta" is a bit of a problem

[final sentinel]

i may have misread the log

[eternal talon]

Every paleontologist on earth would have their heads for bulldozing parts of the inner to continue to build downwards

Since the egg is only at like 2k

[finite vine]

the apex of the egg starts at a depth of around 1.5km, then the egg itself is 2.1km in height. so the bottom of the egg is really at a depth of 3.6km, which is 600 meters above 4.2km, so I think they did drill through it.

[rocky wraith]

DAMN STOKES

Guess the virus induced paranoia really messed with her

she was already unstable when we last left her

[final sentinel]

is it jsut me or is the lore going super hard this rundown?

[rocky wraith]

They have to be, we've covered most of the history and groundwork

now they have to flesh out more current events

[final sentinel]

super excited

hope we get logs covering more advanced sleepers

praying for an R4E1 tank log 🙏

[rocky wraith]

lol

[final sentinel]

I hope R6D4 goes super hard on the ALT front

idk feels like that level could technically explain alt rundowns

[solar nova]

Can't wait for red glowsticks to make a return in R6D4.

[lost drum]

Why is R6D4 so important?

[burnt wren]

It really isn't

Actually...

Well...

It was the level where devs experimented with teleporting mechanic a little extra to see what cool tactical situations they could throw the players into

like having them fight an error alarm and then suddenly teleporting them into a completely quiet stealth room filled with nothing but giants

They pretty much officially said something to extent off "don't think too much about it, its just a gameplay thing"

But one could point to it as the beginning of the multiverse madness that we're experiencing right now

[raw terrace]

its, at the end, three different realities of the same tile, since i think it was the same place but changed, and then you come back to your reality
if i remember correctly of course

[burnt wren]

I never saw the ending of that level so wouldn't know

[raw terrace]

ah this is gtfo lore

i thought it was questions

lemme

hehe

spoiler free chat

if u got spoiled sorry

:]

[lost drum]

I have another question

What's the elevator? In what levels of R4 does it occur?

There was some discussion here earlier about some elevator at the end of the level that had an evacuation

[cobalt mulch]

there's no elevator to evacuate per se, the levels either send u back to insertion or they have an exit tile (a platform that has a huge hole-tunnel-thing behind it) .. the actual extraction elevator thing is never shown.. r4b1 has a "forward extract" tile for one.

[solar nova]

The convo was about an R5 level that has one of the drop elevators (where you start the level), but 900m down.

It's never been used again since then.

[lost drum]

At what level was this happening?

[solar nova]

R5E1

[lost drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84kPhjtCpig&ab_channel=GTFOModder

I thought this location would appear in R4(

[hard linden]

what is it and why

[spiral gale]

its just an ambient object in the labs area

[hard linden]

it looks like a robot

[spiral gale]

it looks strange but serves no purpose
i dont recall any lore ab it

[raw terrace]

it's just a sad piece of metal
look how it just sees the ground

poor thing

[final sentinel]

why does the head look like a battle droid

[hard linden]

i mean he looks like a dog but yeah there's no lore about it ig

not everything makes the cut

[stone swift]

R4D1 Log 1

[stone swift]

R4D1 Log 2

[cunning light]

Awwwww, so cute !

[keen mantle]

Unless the “egg” in the Alt is much larger than OG?

[stone swift]

R4E1 Log w/ Audio

On that note, since R4D2's logs have already been posted, I think that's all the logs R4 has to offer. Unless I missed some on any of the levels I posted above/there's somehow a 3rd R4D2 log nobody has noticed, that should be everything!

[honest merlin]

The logs I posted earlier were just two logs, but I did not check every terminal, so I don't know if there are more on R4D2.

[stone swift]

I didn’t see any others besides yours, and I’m not sure we’ve ever had more than two on a given level (again correct me if I’m wrong here), so I think you probably got them all. Point being though, unless the dataminers find more, I think we have all the logs 🙂

[rocky wraith]

This has an identical copy in the non-alt logs that most likely has word changes

[rocky wraith]

@eternal talon Is going to have a field day with this one

[naive crow]

damn, imagine if schaeffer does get us out though
surface missions in Mexico City here we come

[eternal talon]

Not really a field day, just the year r4 takes place.

R3 took place in 2063, so I'll have to check the difference when I get home

If it's also 2063, then this log tells us literally nothing new

[eternal talon]

edit: it is 2063. (2056 biocom audio intercept + 7 = 63)

[rocky wraith]

Except it might explain how he got into kds deep

[burnt wren]

eh, we kinda already guessed it

One of these Schaeffers is not like the other...

[eternal talon]

wdym

[eternal talon]

wdym

i guess im just blind

[rocky wraith]

schafer discrepancy

[eternal talon]

what about

[rocky wraith]

could this explain how he got into kds deep before the wrdn got access to it

[eternal talon]

we know how he got in there. we've known that since r6.5 he is the one that made it locked

the question wasnt how he got in, its how he got out

the warden had him in a squad that broke free of -- in r4. yet, the warden wouldn't have been able to grab the HSU he was asleep inside of until r5

he says himself in the 3rd schaeffer backstory log in r6's extention that he locked the doors so the sleepers couldnt get him

he calls himself "a fucking idiot" and decides after a week that he doesnt want to starve to death, so he gets in a pod -- you hear the pod close on the audio log aswell

[rocky wraith]

This is the first time he arrives in kds deep

But the written log is the second

He arrives in KDS deep twice

[eternal talon]

which still doesnt fix anything about the discrepancy. he should be asleep, regardless

for an entire nother rundown, still

you cant wake yourself. and even if you could, he'd go maddox and have brain soup for dinner

[rocky wraith]

Yet he somehow did wake himself up but not under wrdns control

[eternal talon]

which can't be, because we know for a fact he is in a squad, that he breaks free from

its recorded in multiple logs

in the orig r4

[rocky wraith]

yes, but in these logs he gets shot at by the KDS squads

He's seen as seperate

[eternal talon]

thats not that far removed from r6.5 actually. in one of those audio logs, they threaten to anyway

it wouldnt be out of the question that they do in-between the three audio logs

[burnt wren]

Guys, you're forgetting multiverse shenanigans

We could have 2 different Schaeffer's kn our hands

Inb4 talking Schaeffer finds the sleeping Schaeffer and freak the fuck out

[dusky canopy]

How deep is Garganta/Egg/Inner? Been trying to find the relevant logs. I vaguely remember Garganta being 1500m, but they drilled a little deeper and found egg/inner. Not sure which order.

[naive crow]

One of the logs in this rundown he talks about pulling out an implant, presumably the thing that lets the warden encode behaviours and objectives
so presumably did a mission with his squad, took a nasty knock to the head which rattled the implant around and made him aware of it
#gtfo-lore message

[solar nova]

A bit off-topic, but any Outer Wilds enjoyers?

[raw terrace]

i like the forest but u dont have to say it so dramatically :^

/j

[solar nova]

Smh

[queen gazelle]

Yes

Very good game

[finite vine]

honestly it was good, but not worth 30 bucks in my opinion

[queen gazelle]

L take tbh

[sudden quarry]

never played it

[rocky wraith]

About 1.5-2km to the egg. Max excavation depth around 4km. Egg is about 2km in height and 1.5km in width I think

[finite vine]

from a new log found in alt r4, we found out that the deepest drilling shaft in garganta is shaft 17b, which is 4200m deep.
the top of the egg is located at somewhere below 1500m, and the egg is 2200m tall. notice that I said somewhere below 1500m, because the actual depth of the egg is not specified anywhere.
It also is not known if the egg or the inner are the same thing, or if the inner is a location within the inside of the egg. I would think it is the latter, but some of the logs use the terms in a confusing way.

[finite vine]

correction to my statement, the actual depth of the egg is unknown, but we do know the top of the egg is somewhere below 1500m, so it is definitely possible that the middle of the egg could be located at 4200m

[final sentinel]

headsup, warden bot is offline

idk if it just broke or if this is going to be important

[stone vine]

schaeffer bots gonna replace it

insane plot switch

[shut mountain]

Thats nothing, the discord bots dont have anything to do with the lore I'm afraid. I assume it went down for maintenance as usual

[final sentinel]

:3

[strange grove]

it went down to signal d0c's return

[solar nova]

I'm immersed in the GTFO Discord rn.

[stone vine]

i hope not

[strange grove]

don't check spoiler chat then

[stone vine]

oh no

gasp

[wicked canopy]

can someone tell me what are these mutants? (monsters in gtfo)

[raw terrace]

[i- i said the pinned messages have a
lore like
compilation]

#gtfo-lore message

[wicked canopy]

aha

i dont know any of this

[stone vine]

they r ppl infected by a virus that also have a parasite which turned them into sleepers

the virus/ parasite r from this place called destination

[raw terrace]

think there was a section for 'what r sleepers' at the bottom wasnt it

Sleepers are the final product of a NAM-V - Parasite infestation. NAM-V is extremely infectious and has a lethality rate of 100%.
Sleepers are created by the Parasite with NAM-V present. The Parasite was originally a victim of NAM-V and over time they have formed a Symbiotic relationship, with the Virus keeping the Parasite alive and active for undefined lengths of time, perhaps forever.
This allows NAM-V to maintain its hyper lethality without burning itself out of food or fuel to continue spreading, often hibernating for tens of thousands if not millions of years between outbreaks.

there cha go

sorry

[burnt wren]

TL:DR
A bio-weapon tier virus of unknown origin came into contact and established a symbiosis with an alien parasite.
The virus effectively grants the parasite an indefinite lifespan and in return parasite acts as the carrier of the virus (which already spread through every known means possible... But I guess having literal mutants spread you always comes useful).

The sleepers are specifically the product of the parasite, as without it Nam-v victims just suffer from extreme form of cellular degradation and conventionally expire that way in a matter of like a month, tops.

Sleepers appear to act on a hive-like basis, with specific units fulfilling specific purposes (strikers being worker drones, shooters are the tactical units, scouts are intruder spotters and so on). Like bees or ants.
No hive-mind or any sort of telepathic communications have been confirmed.

That's pretty much all we know for the moment. Unfortunately.

[wicked canopy]

ooooooooo

thats cool

that

very good

[burnt wren]

The area of the game we spend most of the time is a mining & research facility called Garganta, built and owned by a syndicate of cooperating corporations. Most notably SMC and Kovac, latter being a well known private military and security enforcers (perfectly represented by the Kovac Peacekeeper - the bat / mace).

The lads dug too deep and found something they shouldn't have, which is how all this mess started. Also they are horrible ass holes - their company practices are about as tyrannical as they can get, including shooting shooting unauthorised personnel on the spot without questions.

Also occasionally (most notably in R7 and currently missing R6) we sometimes get transported... Somewhere else. Not sure exactly where, but definetely not a conventional Earth.

Also theres multiverse shenanigans afoot. Great.

[wicked canopy]

last question

where is the laboratoey placed?

like its on desert?

[burnt wren]

I honestly forgot. I think it's near Mexico somewhere and it's in the ocean. One of the logs mentions something about destroying coral reef to build this thing.

[stone vine]

its in the chixculub crater

it was a mining expedition under a company called santonian but is also a secret lab operation under a company called dreyfus

dreyfus is like the big evil org of this game essentially they own everything

they were making bank off the iridium from the crater and ended up discovering well the egg

then ppl started getting sick

then those ppl started contracting a parasite that turned them into sleepers

[stone vine]

yes they were digging into water as the crater is submerged in a lot of it

[frozen crescent]

do the giants grow when they glow

is that how they become big sleepers

frostyy help

[strange grove]

they are basically zombies

[eternal talon]

Zombies are dead, reanimated.

Sleepers aren't ever dead during their life cycle. The parasite simply puppets and hijacks living individuals, mutating them along the way

[finite vine]

not sure about this, I have not seen any evidence that points to them growing when they glow

[eternal talon]

Just to avoid a potential miscommunication, the giant desert wasteland we visit in r7 at times is NOT earth. It is Destination, a planet in the butterfly nebula and where the meteor came from.

[finite vine]

also in a separate universe^

[eternal talon]

Garganta is a massive 5 mile wide underground facility at the peak of the Yucatan peninsula, with segments above, and below water

[eternal talon]

Yes

[final sentinel]

wait frosty, does the depth that we drop to start at sea level or the ocean floor?

[finite vine]

probably ocean floor, as we recently learned that the bore hole starts at the sea floor

[eternal talon]

I can't say where we drop specifically, so I can't say for certain. Either on the surface or on the sea floor at the platform off the coast

[finite vine]

not sure if we are dropping from the main bore hole though

[loud urchin]

they've got to get energy/biomass from somewhere, so surely it has to be that either sleepers are doing fusion dances or somebody is eating really well

[eternal talon]

This is what I mean

[finite vine]

yea we basically said the same thing lmao

[final sentinel]

XD

well thanks for clarifying

[eternal talon]

There are almost certainly dozens. And if there weren't before, the detonation from the allen gun in the inner gave them plenty of opportunity to make more

The place is bloody well HUGE

[final sentinel]

i mean idk if the winch log helps, weren't they down in the pit when they heard the winches?

[finite vine]

well I think there was one main bore hole at first, and then the energy blasts create some more that went to the surface

[finite vine]

yea they were in the crater on the sea floor

[final sentinel]

wait how did that not drain the ocean?

wasn't it like a a massive shotgun?

[finite vine]

there are giant sea walls holding the water back

[final sentinel]

yeah for the main pit

[finite vine]

oh your talking about the energy blasts

[final sentinel]

but wasn't it like a bunch of massive shot?

yah

[eternal talon]

The log says the gun was calibrated somehow (might as well be allen voodoo magic) to stop just before the surface/seafloor

[finite vine]

I'm sure there was flooding, but a log says they patched all of the holes that extended to the surface

[final sentinel]

👍

ohhhh

[eternal talon]

So the projectiles just... stopped

[finite vine]

oh really? I missed that

thats really cool actually

[eternal talon]

(You'd think the Shockwave from stopping something moving that god damn fast would destroy it anyway but who the hell knows)

[finite vine]

I don't think the gun shot any projectiles, it just heated the matter in its blast up to extreme temperatures, like temps that existed near the beginning of the big bang

the reason I said that is because a log said that there was traces of quark gluon plasma near the edges of the holes, which is a form of matter that only exists with high temperatures. about 4 trillion degrees Celsius

[eternal talon]

Afik it did, super tiny ones. Let me pull up the log. 1 sec

[final sentinel]

huh, idk ab that bc all the shafts have those upward facing spikes tho

as if something tore thru it leaving an impact hole

[eternal talon]

**Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence. **

[finite vine]

cool, but some of them did make it to the surface, which are probably the shafts prisoners are dropped and picked up from

[eternal talon]

or ones that garganta staff themselves slightly extended

[finite vine]

yep

[eternal talon]

This level of exotic matter control is beyond our understanding of the physical laws of the universe, so how was the intensity of the sub-atomic streams controlled? sub-atomic streams. weird

so its matter, its a physical projectile, or at least a lot of them

[finite vine]

they refer to them as sub-atomic because quark gluon plasma is made up of quarks and gluons, which are sub atomic particles that make up atoms

so therefore quark gluon plasma is formed when matter is heated to 4 trillion degree Celsius

[strange grove]

what is the point of blocking me if your gonna read my messages anyways, i really miss reacting 🇸🇬

[eternal talon]

still, strange how each beam is individually calibrated to just "stop"

surely that wouldnt be possible without physical matter, unless its some kind of a magnetic field holding it in place

[eternal talon]

good point, but i dont like not knowing what people are saying, so i read anyway.

for me, it just is pre-emptively blocking DMs

[finite vine]

yep, the aliens must have had a way to control the heat transfer, preventing the heating from spreading outside of the beam radius, as well as controlling the radius and length of the heating beams

[finite vine]

its really a concern of how much energy it takes to heat matter up that hot, so there must be some form of exotic matter to generate that much energy for the beams to use

[eternal talon]

allen magic

[strange grove]

idk why you think I would ever dm you, i just wanna react 🇸🇬

[burnt wren]

Or writers just don't understand physics

[finite vine]

lmao probably the case

[burnt wren]

No matter how I look at it holes make no sense to me

[finite vine]

they are doing a good job so far though, making it at least seem to be grounded within reality

[burnt wren]

They look explosions, but explosion of such power to get through all of Garganta... It would have the energy of a nuke, pin pointed in one direction.

[loud urchin]

"because the first thing a scifi game needs is realism", or something

I do understand what you're saying though

[burnt wren]

And if it was just a laser-torch - the holes should look melted, not exploded.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[loud urchin]

good job of making it seem reasonable

[finite vine]

lol it doesn't really, but I prefer games that try to keep it a little close to reality

[burnt wren]

It's not even reality, just being consistant with their own rules.

[finite vine]

yea thats probably the most important part

[waxen gust]

Is there a place I can go to to see all of the lore that has been compiled? I'm new to the game

[loud urchin]

everything should be on the wiki

[strange grove]

check the chimp theory doc, i think you'll find it helpful

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately for them the question of "what happens when you blast a super laser through a 1500m deep facility" is one outside of their jurisdiction.

[waxen gust]

@strange grove how does one find this "chimp theory doc"?

[burnt wren]

Ignore him, man.

He's a local chaos maker

[eternal talon]

am i not a prophet?

misinformation misinforms. more at 11.

[strange grove]

they wont let me pin it cause these people are biased against any new theories

[burnt wren]

There is a pinned document somewhere

[finite vine]

lol

[eternal talon]

read.

[waxen gust]

I'll just pick whichever theory is the most out there and commit it to my head canon

Can you dm me that please? I'm at work and don't have much time

[burnt wren]

Uh, don't. Frosty will crucify you, with prejudice.

[strange grove]

based

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-crucify-him-passion-gif-21635911

[strange grove]

got it here man https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eIkbHGhdO0AGn83IXZVq_CR7FV0M3kdtTloznD9Xa1w/edit?usp=sharing

[graceful frost]

can we pin tis?

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[graceful frost]

🇸🇬

[strange grove]

🇸🇬

[loud urchin]

i love chimp theory

we need more lore on Cornell Industries

they make light fixtures, but what happened to Phillips and all the other big light bulb brands

what happened to all the supermarkets own brand lights

[teal narwhal]

I think the other brands legit just went out of style or possibly got out-competed by Cornell industries, besides making lights we have not seen their logo anywhere else besides this bulk head door (to my knowledge)

[loud urchin]

it's on a lot of light fixtures

but they're all the same light fixture

should be on in alt r4d1 on the left hand side when you first load in

and loads on bulkhead doors

[teal narwhal]

I saw this one in my screenshot before r4d1, somewhere in the B tiers

But yes, its weird they only do this one light type and not really anything else

Tbh I really don't think they would have a lot of involvement in the lore, the people who built Garganta probably just needed some lights for these doors and purchased a shipment from Cornell industries. I have also never seen any logs mentioning their name either

[loud urchin]

yeah, very little lore importance, if not 0

still want to know though

[teal narwhal]

We may see more of their involvement as more ALT rundowns are released, but until then Cornell industries remains a mystery

[eternal talon]

If we find Eggo brand waffles in the cafeteria that doesn't make them lore relavant.

[teal narwhal]

Eggo waffles and a brand logo thats plastered all over garganta are two totally different things lol

[eternal talon]

Reactors are also branded with a company mentioned nowhere else

[teal narwhal]

Regardless of how "minor" their involvement is, its still nice to talk and theorize about what they do and why they are in Garganta

[eternal talon]

Nyxos is also a name that doesn't really mean much of anything in the lore other than they build stuff on commission for Dreyfus and Kovac occasionally.

There are a good few companies like that

I know there is another, but I'm forgetting what it was

[teal narwhal]

But thats still interesting to look into, I see no problem in discussing these small companies

Tbh I find these companies with very little info to their name to be more interesting than say Dreyfuss

[eternal talon]

I'm not saying it's a problem, just that it's not a big deal in terms of lore so looking too deeply into them most likely won't bear fruit

You can discuss them all you want

[strange grove]

I agree, no one will discuss the fact that Santonian Industries is an anagram for Chimp Gaming

[teal narwhal]

I never really expected to find much, I just like looking at the smaller things that make up the bigger picture

[eternal talon]

There is not a single 'g' in either santonian or industries

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-dmc5-gif-24729197

[teal narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-24608933

But yea anyways, its just a cool thing to chat about

[strange grove]

Gantonian industries??? i dont know why you didnt see this

[novel zealot]

i got third hand

[raw terrace]

the lore grows

[stone vine]

this happened to me LMAO

i had 4 arms

it looks so wacky w auto pistol

[harsh pike]

is there a canonical reason for secondary / overload

like why we'd ever risk our lives doing them

[dapper shale]

do it for daddy warden

[harsh pike]

that's valid

[burnt wren]

I had an entire debate with people about that once.

As far as I'm concerned the only reasonable explanation is that KSOs are brainwashed into seeing completing objectives as an apriori good thing so for them it's not really optional - it must be done, simple as.

[burnt wren]

Because no sane person would ever be like "Yeah, I guess I'll risk my life some more, getting eaten by mutants is a great way to spend my time!"

Literally everyone here would demand to be sent back ASAP, fuck your optional objectives.

[strange grove]

they canonically do it for the cosmetics

[burnt wren]

So yeah:
A) Our characters are brainwashed into doing it, so the term "optional" is a stretch.
B) Our characters are secretly insane maniacs who play "The only thing I know for real" on repeat.

[burnt wren]

Not anymore. As of ALT R4 there are zero objective reasons for doing them.

I can beat all mains by myself and not feel bad about it.

[sudden quarry]

They do it for the secret helmet cosmetic

0.0002% chance of it dropping when you beat the optional objectives

[strange grove]

they obviously do it so they can check the lore terminals in the optional zones, in hopes of finding the zombie chimp log

[clear furnace]

Source?

[clear furnace]

👏

[burnt wren]

Not even the answer to the question...

[strange grove]

yea i did

[finite vine]

fake

[strange grove]

no

[finite vine]

yea I don’t see any indication that this chimp is a zombie. u said zombie chimp but it’s just a normal chimp. (i know hes trolling btw)

[loud urchin]

yes because there is 0 point to putting an undead into hydrostasis

what are you gonna do? preserve it's undeadness?

[strange grove]

sorry i posted the wrong source last time on accident, here is the actual one

[clear furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-the-cat-jinx-jinx-cat-cat-computer-gif-25786466

[eternal talon]

Watching blatant misinformation in here with no recourse is pure pain.

[harsh pike]

Clutching my pearls for you rn

The horror

[wicked canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mom-spy-tf2-team-fortress2-sheesh-gif-21838783

https://tenor.com/view/nice-balls-ill-have-to-gif-24823674

[strange grove]

🇸🇬

[fossil kernel]

Is there chimp denier here?

[fossil kernel]

Enjoy the chimps

[tiny dragon]

was there ever an lore explanation for the shadow enemies?

[strange grove]

they drank invisible ink

[main citrus]

Strikers lost their shadows

[harsh pike]

they simply dodged the light

[jaunty widget]

They didn't have any cosmetics unlocked so they spawned in with none equipped

[mystic crow]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-forklift-mike-ehrmantraut-finger-kid-named-finger-gif-26560518

[stone vine]

what is this character arc werent u getting mad at links the other day LMAO

[naive crow]

who tf is stan

[strange grove]

this is false and slander

[stone vine]

gaslighting

[unborn steppe]

have they given an explanation to the whole teleporting business or is it still pretty much magic?

[stone vine]

yes

it is explainable

well the matterwave transportation is but artifacts themselves r kinda crazy

so 50/50?

the way we get there on our own is but not how artifacts even managed to start teleporting

[unborn steppe]

got it ty.

[lofty warren]

But

Is there any mention of the mwp in the original lore? I was wondering.

[harsh saffron]

There are some audio Logs by Dr. Stokes in R6C1 and 2 more in R7 where she explains/mentiones the MWP.

[eternal talon]

Artifact 27 of the Hammerstein collection iirc

[lofty warren]

Thanks I’ll have to look those up then.

[finite vine]

they basically said the matter wave projector uses quantum entanglement to “look” for future positions of particles (QE states) on different “quantum frequencies”, which is basically a made up word for parallel universe. then, by being able to predict the full future state of the particle on the different quantum frequency, the MWP swaps the frequencies of the particles to transport them to the other universes. that’s how I understood the explanation at least.

quantum entanglement is a real world phenomenon, but it is not FTL teleportation. the main misconception about QE is that when you change the state of one particle, it’s other particle changes instantly, which is not really the case. in order for you to determine what state the changed particle is, you have to measure both particles in the QE system, which just really means that QE acts as the speed of light. kinda confusing and you don’t really need to know this for the lore, if u wanna know more just google a youtube vid or something.

the lore claims that the reason why quantum entanglement works as teleportation with the MWP, is because time is not a constant scale, meaning that there is a difference in time between two states of a QE super position when teleporting between universes. So according to the lore, the MWP can only teleport things from universe to universe, it cannot teleport things locally within a universe.

[charred briar]

⍼

[graceful frost]

HHOLY SHIT

DEADLY

[harsh pike]

lmfao

[burnt wren]

Easy fake log - doesn't have a sender or receiver.
Not to mention the contents.

Also wow you guys are desperate.

[past flume]

they drool at the sound of lore

[burnt wren]

No, they drool at the idea of getting Frosty to end himself once he gets tired of this autism.

Or at the very least leaving this godforsaken server for good.

[past flume]

I'm pretty sure you just insulted everyone with autism. comparing us to these... I don't even know what to call them

[burnt wren]

That's all you have to say, huh.

[past flume]

I'm not really here that often so I have no fucking idea what's going on

even from your explanation I'm still confused

[burnt wren]

Oh, theyre just trolls and try to rally up local lore man.

[past flume]

oh, ok

anyway

[burnt wren]

Been happening more and more since "... Serious discussions only!" server description tag dissappeared.

[past flume]

that's enough lore for today

[burnt wren]

(because we can no longer ban them)

[eternal talon]

They are getting really really good at faking logs. This is a major problem

[eternal talon]

*herself

But no, its a bit much. Honestly kinda depressing that nobody on the mod team cares. I've reported them before.

[eternal talon]

I'm as stubborn and immobile as a brick wall. It'd take nothing shy of an act of God for me to leave the server and throw away literal years of research

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[graceful frost]

This log is in the game

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs

[eternal talon]

If it is, it's one of those logs that says a lot but tells you nothing of importance. Might as well ignore it.

[graceful frost]

All logs have importance

As a lore meister I'd hope you find it's significance

[eternal talon]

I disagree

[graceful frost]

I think you should read the log and determine its value

[eternal talon]

I did.

[graceful frost]

What do you think of the noises from the wall

[eternal talon]

You mean the things we already knew about from previous logs? We knew about them in previous logs. So I think nothing of it, because it's not new information

[graceful frost]

That's not really an answer to my question

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-in-the-walls-wall-muppet-panicking-gif-27546618

[toxic wagon]

[eternal talon]

God I have so many people blocked. It's a sea of "1 blocked message"

[toxic wagon]

If I'm blocked. I'm almost positive it was when frosty chatted in the other channels back then

[eternal talon]

I still do sometimes.

[graceful frost]

Maybe you should block less people frosty

[eternal talon]

Maybe people should be worth unblocking first.

[toxic wagon]

Eh

I only remember a bunch of differing opinions

[sudden quarry]

yea that’s bad around here

you can’t have a different opinion

[eternal talon]

Wut

[toxic wagon]

One was using the term S870 vs saying pump shotgun

[graceful frost]

Is gerz worth not blocking frosty

[toxic wagon]

Iirc

[sudden quarry]

that’s the real question beep

[graceful frost]

How does someone get off "the list"

[toxic wagon]

Never

[eternal talon]

They don't. It's permanent, like being cast into the pits of tartarus

[toxic wagon]

[graceful frost]

I was an original lore substantiate you know

I've been here from the start

[eternal talon]

They've not pissed me off enough to warrant it yet.

[graceful frost]

Mr and Mrs truth

Why did I piss you off frosty

[eternal talon]

Frankly? I don't remember.

[cedar eagle]

Alright lads, we're really getting off topic here

[graceful frost]

No, no

[eternal talon]

But nobody ever leaves the list. It's a reminder that someone has wronged me in the past, and I never forgive

[graceful frost]

This is relevant

[eternal talon]

(Even if I forget)

[graceful frost]

You should be a more forgiving person frosty

[eternal talon]

I agree with the mods. I'm done with this useless discussion

[graceful frost]

Maybe some people do change

[cedar eagle]

lets also not spam ping people with off topic questions when they clearly aren't interested

[graceful frost]

No one is doing that

[toxic wagon]

strange but alright

[graceful frost]

The conversation has been very relevant to gtfo

[cedar eagle]

yourself and 2 others pinged Frostty earlier 3 times in a row. She's obviously not interested in those discussions and you're well aware of it. Some jokes here and there is fine but this is really pushing it

[graceful frost]

Why wouldn't she be interested in a lore log

She just called it fake instead of entertaining it

Which is a relevant gtfo lore reply and she's free to do so

But don't say that's off topic

[eternal talon]

Artek called it fake long before I logged on, and I trust his opinion more than yours. Secondly, it says nothing that we didn't already know

[graceful frost]

Seems like you shouldn't trust his opinion as much then

[eternal talon]

And the insinuations about autism and homophobia... aren't great

[graceful frost]

You have to be open when talking about the lore

It's a mature rated game

[cedar eagle]

Let's please move on from this lads. It's not getting us anywhere

[graceful frost]

We're still talking about the lore log and frosty is adding insight

How has this conversation not been moving forward

[eternal talon]

There is literally no insight to add. It's giving no new info

[graceful frost]

What about the mention that people have detailed enough files that list something like sexual preference

Are those files made by the person or are they made by garganta

How much information is truly store on those files

[eternal talon]

If Kovac knew enough about bishop to wipe him from existence (on paper), id say probably a lot

[graceful frost]

Hmm

Have we seen any of these files in a log at all yet

[eternal talon]

Technically, no. Closest we have gotten was schaeffer's recruitment email

[graceful frost]

Hmm

I will be deciding its relevance within my own theories. This could be impertinent information.

[eternal talon]

Then why bother asking me in the first place?

[graceful frost]

Because i was curious on

1. Your input
2. Potential relevance of the log
3. If the certain information has been seen before in other logs

Thank you for being so helpful frosty 🥰

[strange grove]

im hurt that you think I would fake a log

[loud urchin]

logs having a sender and receiver? is there something wrong with Autogen, REACTOR_VER and UPLINK_CODES? :(

[eternal talon]

None of those are Canon lol

[austere depot]

From what I can garner, the news article is speculation made by a researcher.
The theory is not so much confirmed as it is speculation. What is speculated about however, is interesting.
Tldr version of it: She speculates if viruses could have had a part to play in the game of evolution and the survival of life in the face of mass extinction events. Larger viruses, she states, are capable of carrying up to 3 million more genomes than their micro-counterparts.

This would just be further speculation..
If her speculations are correct and can be applied to the lore, then it may suggest that the virus was let loose once before, perhaps at the meteor impact. She does refer to found evidence that all (their earth's) flora and fauna 'are comprised of entirely new species' than what existed 66 million years ago. From what Dauda and other doctors have logged about the virus, it is not implausible.

Possible implication? Perhaps an in to the virus's perspective. We see it as a mass extinction event. Perhaps it would be more correct to view it as a mass terraforming agent.
Another implication, though I can only speculate: If Nam-V is a virus full of genomes that can be used to tailor and 'improve' genes, then it may be the key factor in creating Neonates.

[eternal talon]

Autogen are randomly generated from a pre-set list of information, and reactor ver and uplink are gameplay specific

[burnt wren]

Those are technical / automatic logs. Local systems just shit them out every so often for interested observers.

But ALL personnel human-to-human logs always have a sender and receiver stamps on them so that it could be idenfitied who writes to whom.

[finite vine]

how is autogen not cannon??

[eternal talon]

This is where it gets tricky. The individual elements of autogen are, but not the logs themselves. For example: there are plant samples on sector 4 section 12, but not that specific plant sample the log mentions

[finite vine]

wdym plant samples

[eternal talon]

one of the possible strings is a plant for some reason

[finite vine]

ah ok

[sudden quarry]

I’m not sure what cannons have to do with gtfo lore, can we keep this on topic please?

[pastel ether]

the burst cannon is the key to gaining a full understanding of the truth about the complex and the warden's ulterior motives, and has serious implications for the lore of the GTFO universe(s) 🙏

After all, why would Techman Defense consider manufacturing a five-round burst fire high-caliber light machine gun (with an arguably unwieldy charge-up prior to a burst) with an impractically small (4 burst) magazine capacity in the first place?

It doesn't have any practical use-case outside the context of the current predicament that the prisoners have found themselves in

So why was it manufactured? Did the Warden pull some strings to get the Burst Cannon manufactured - if so, how? When? Why? Did the Warden predict the sleeper infestation? NAM-V? Schaeffer???

Or did the titular Techman at Techman just get really drunk and invent the Burst Cannon by chance?

Or did the Warden cause the Techman to get that drunk???

We need to know.

also what happened to Klusts 1-5

[harsh pike]

unironically valid

that gun would be functionally useless in 99% of scenarios

other than 'giant mutated monstrosities'

[raw terrace]

we already solved the issue on gtfo question

hold on

dammit i cant find it

found it
An automatic cannon or machine cannon is a fully automatic gun that is capable of rapid-firing large-caliber, armour-piercing, explosive or incendiary shells, as opposed to the smaller-caliber kinetic projectiles (bullets) fired by a machine gun. Autocannons have a longer effective range and greater terminal performance than machine guns, due to the use of larger/heavier munitions, but are usually smaller than tank guns, howitzers, field guns or other artillery.
i guess all this
but in a smaller pack for it to be handled by a human
'Although capable of generating extremely rapid firepower, autocannons overheat quickly if used for sustained fire, and are limited by the amount of ammunition that can be carried by the weapons systems mounting them.'

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[pastel ether]

5-round burst at 1000rpm in a handheld form factor though

not exactly a very practical weapon even by handheld autocannon standards

[harsh pike]

overkill for any human targets, maybe if you were using it against a tank? (With AP rounds)

[clear furnace]

Wonder how durable the typical sleeper is. Like if I launched an RPG at a giant charger or even a tank what would it do?

[pastel ether]

5-round burst with anti-materiel rounds? good luck surviving that.

[harsh pike]

blow it apart, i'd imagine those would have a bigger explosive payload than a trip mine

maybe not a tank

[harsh pike]

Here I meant like a vehicle-tank, not the monster tank

[raw terrace]

the thing is it was probably made not for humans but for very strong artillery, and it may not be able to shoot as fast cause again it would overheat
techman has the technology to build machineguns, but they couldnt apply it here for a reason

[harsh pike]

probably due to the caliber

[raw terrace]

probably

[pastel ether]

At most I'd expect a 2-round burst (doing the same trick as the AN-94, having a 1800rpm 2-round burst (intended to minimize felt recoil on those shots) with subsequent automatic shots being at a less ludicrous 600rpm)

[pastel ether]

If it was not made for humans to wield, why would Techman manufacture it in human-wieldable form factor though 🤔

[harsh pike]

it def feels like an anti-armored vehicle weapon

[raw terrace]

probably a shift in development, since the word has gone to shit, techman at some point developed an autocannon, or well, burst cannon, that could be handheld but with limitations'

[pastel ether]

like there isn't anywhere on the weapon that looks like it could be used for mounting, and there's no bipods or anything like that

[harsh pike]

well to be fair that goes for most weapons

they weren't visually designed with practicality in mind

the assault rifle has like a foot-long buffer tube

[pastel ether]

Well, for most of the world, NAM-V just manifested as a 'you are already dead' virus, and the sleeperification only happened in garganta iirc, so Techman didn't really have any real threat to make them go 'oh god oh fuck we need this cannon to be human-usable!'

[raw terrace]

thing is an autocannon would probably not work in gtfo since the auto would probably just make the recoil fly, think the heavy assault rifle, the high caliber and dmg makes it go to shit
but techman has developed machineguns in such ways that they control the recoil more, the arbalist for example, but it was not the same caliber
also true, but a recent log has arrived sayin theres maybe sleeper on the surface too

it was a log on an ALT tho

so im not sure

[harsh pike]

no idea

I don't know if the alt logs are just 10cc rewriting the lore or like

i've heard some ppl say they're different universes

[pastel ether]

yes.

[raw terrace]

i think its different universes

based on another log talkin about a bishop mask duplicatin or something

[harsh pike]

to do with matter wave projector stuff?

teleporting people and sometimes not putting them back in the same reality?

[raw terrace]

aham

[pastel ether]

A mask arrived that had traces of being worn by Bishop despite never being issued to Bishop (in the receiving universe) and the Bishop in the receiving universe never removing the mask he was issued.

[raw terrace]

ah there it is

thank u

[pastel ether]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_1.0_Logs#834-786-873

[harsh pike]

hmmm

[raw terrace]

yeah lores pretty funky rn

[pastel ether]

Maybe the burst cannon also originated from one of these other universes, mayhaps one where a pre-existing use case for it exists...

[harsh pike]

It could've been made in response to the monsters, like Techman was contracted by santonian/kovac?

[pastel ether]

that's the obvious answer, but it seems a bit too simple.

We do know that there were some run-ins with the sleepers in garganta already (with Dauda entering a HSU in the first place because he was about to get killed by a swarm of them), but it's unclear as to why it was manufactured with the shortcomings it has as an anti-sleeper tool for KSOs.

Why such a fast 5-round burst with such a high-recoil firearm? Why such a long charge-up making it suboptimal in an 'oh god oh fuck' situation?

etc

[harsh pike]

i wonder if the chargeup is a recoil compensating method? somehow?

i assume the burst cannon is shooting 12.7x108mm, or .338 lapua or something elses extremely high caliber

[finite vine]

pretty simple answer to that question, its just that the devs decided to give the burst cannon those mechanics. there are not really any lore specific reasons for it from what I can see...

[clever niche]

The thing that the burst cannon reminds me of is the Inkunzi PAW 20mm grenade launcher. One of several attempts to miniaturize grenade launchers to be used as primary weapons and increase effectiveness against light cover and unarmored vehicles.

[winter fox]

fast question : what's GLP ingame stand for ?

[raw terrace]

if u query one the whole name appears, they r Glucagon peptide hormones

[strange grove]

stands for "Garganta Lodges Primates"

[raw terrace]

u funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny funny person

[strange grove]

that makes one of us

[raw terrace]

i created an individual damn
i made one of us

[burnt wren]

Honestly no idea. Probably something disgusting like Gluten Lorgen Perequasil (yes, I made that up).

For some reason GLP makes me think of raw grease.

G most likely stands for Genome or something close to it.

[raw terrace]

glucagon peptide hormones :]

[heavy lynx]

uhmmm

help

what the hec is this room

why are there so many ded bodies

what the hec is the warden doing

[sudden quarry]

There was only one McDonald’s meal left

It got intense pretty fast

[burnt wren]

These are failed specimens / mimics. They didn't pass the natural selection test.

This is Warden's homework.
He's trying to create these lads to replace us.
Ideally they will be invisible to sleepers and will be able to complete objectives without using a single bullet.

[winter pecan]

Is Mr. Truth's inside source schaffer? He refers to having an inside source he calls John in one of his broadcasts. In addition, in EBDT_54IJ-001.LOG Anders confirms that Mr. Truth likely has an inside source at Dryfus.

Any other info on who this source might be?

[burnt wren]

Could be anyone really.
Although Schaeffer is a pretty safe bet. The bastard knows how to manually tap into secure comm channels. We have him admitting it on record.

[winter pecan]

Fair yea, although I'm realizing the source in the audio log I'm referring to probably isn't Schaeffer. This John was actually hosting a convention, So he probably doesn't work for dryfus.

State of truth still likely has an informant at Dryfus, but beyond that I don't see any real leads on who it could be. Artus could be another candidate for example.

[pastel ether]

'gameplay reasons' is a cop-out explanation 😤

[finite vine]

yea ik but it’s the only conclusion that is possible with the current information

we have had to use “gameplay reasons” to explain other things in lore, like sleeper spawns

sure, we could say that the sleepers come from the vents or from holes in the ground, but we don’t see them doing that

[winter pecan]

Basically all the charge up weapons are "gameplay reasons" why do any of the guns in the game need to charge up.

[burnt wren]

Well... No, I can fight that.

[finite vine]

also sleepers melting into the ground after you kill them, i bet you they did that for performance reasons.

[burnt wren]

https://youtu.be/EwHRjgVWFno

[pastel ether]

The HEL gun/rifle have the obvious excuse of 'they're basically mini-railguns'. And one could bring up something similar to a minigun needing to spin up for the LMGs. And the C-foam launcher could be argued as an in-built safety feature (seeing as construction foam was not designed for combat purposes)

[burnt wren]

Charge up weapon are a thing IRL.

[pastel ether]

That's actually discussed in the logs.

[burnt wren]

Assuming all of the HEL weapons are some kind of coilgun - it's fair.

[finite vine]

like why it happens or people in the lore just observing it happen?

[winter pecan]

Don't most of the charge up weapons in the games spit out casings?

[burnt wren]

Probably.

[pastel ether]

But if you want something really juicy to stick your teeth into - the alarm scans around Garganta have always been a bit puzzling to me, with how the facility requires staff to go wandering around the room and stand on random positions to get scanned several times over in order to turn off an alarm on a door and open it. Like, sure, there's the obvious answer of 'this is for gameplay reasons', but that's the boring excuse. However, being able to understand the exact train of thought followed by Santonian Industries when they decided to use this sort of security system all over this giant hole in the ground... like, you'd expect at least one log of someone complaining about the system, or explaining why it's a necessity.

[solar nova]

I feel like it's easy to rationalize, though.

Alarm scans are part of alarms, it's probably not intended behavior, it might even just be an exploit.

[pastel ether]

The simple 'scans right in front of a door' (alarmed or not), those are easy to rationalize.

[solar nova]

If you fuck w/ the scans in a weird way, they behave strangely, or if you force the scans to go to weird spots, they don't check over things correctly.

[burnt wren]

I like to think the Warden just needs to hack into specific chipsets and he needs us real close to them for signal to reach them.

[finite vine]

I mean biometric scans is pretty smart honestly, the system that kovac developed is basically bulletproof. you need the dna of the person to complete the scan, and you also need to know where the scan is, which is impossible to do if you don’t have a visor to see it.

[pastel ether]

But when the final scan is on the other side of the room, away from the door, what's stopping a third party from sneaking in, going to the door as it unlocks, and then getting in before the authorized individual makes it back to the door

[finite vine]

I would complain about the fact that you can’t close the security doors or the fact that they do not have door handles on the other side of them.

[winter pecan]

I don't think it's to unlock the door, it's to disable a triggered alarm.

[pastel ether]

you can't open the door until the alarm turns off.

[burnt wren]

But some doors don't have an alarm...

[winter pecan]

Doors without alarms don't require those kinds of scans

[solar nova]

Right, but I'm saying the confusing scans could just be explained through some odd exploit.

[winter pecan]

Yea I see it as hacking, not just opening the door

[burnt wren]

Same.

[finite vine]

yea, we don’t really know what edits the warden has to make to the security doors or alarms to make it open, or what security measures there are for doors that detect unauthorized openings

[pastel ether]

I would argue that the existence of blood doors does imply that it is possible for the security doors to be closed (seeing as the blood on them looks like something got crushed in the closing door)

[burnt wren]

Probably remotely closed.

[finite vine]

then there is the fact that there needs to be an entire logistic system for moving the prisoners around near the surface level to pick up / deploy them to the correct drop shaft for their expedition. a system like that has never been mentioned in the lore

[burnt wren]

Yeah, they should've stick to the same hole, but now we have 7 of them

[winter pecan]

Yea true why aren't we being deployed from KDS deep

[burnt wren]

Which means there is still a massive operation going on up top.

There is no way Warden does all this by himself. He needs manual labour for this.

[pastel ether]

More if you count expeditions with a forward extraction point (such as R2B1, R2B3, R7B1, etc)

[finite vine]

and a system to equip prisoners with guns and gear when they swap weapons or change clothes is also not talked about.

[burnt wren]

We probably get debriefed after extractions and are allowed to make some kind of choices before being put pack.

[pastel ether]

he does have a lot of KSOs tbf

[burnt wren]

That much is true.

[pastel ether]

and it wouldn't surprise me if plenty of the logistical systems around Garganta are automated

[winter pecan]

I always assumed all the menus are essentially warden pov

[burnt wren]

That actually seems to be the case, yes.

[pastel ether]

Like, there's clearly gotta be some methods of transporting any mined iridium out of Garganta, and getting workers from point A to point B, so it's not unfeasible for them to have been taken over and repurposed by the Warden

[finite vine]

also who or what made the changes to the neonate between c1 & d1 in r3? we’re there scientists that made the changes, or is there some kind of mechanical arm system that the wrdn could use autonomously? or did another prisoner group make the changes?

[burnt wren]

But then what does it mean to earn new apparel... Does Warden just PUTS IT ON YOU like a fucked up game of Barby dolls, or we actually get to choose, somehow.

[finite vine]

actually, i would think it’s the individual prisoners themselves that see the rundown selection menu and the gear selection. that just makes more sense imho.

like they get to make these decisions in hydrostasis because they have the implant in their brain

[burnt wren]

Imagine being deployed in uncomfortable pants 1 size too small

[finite vine]

lmao

[burnt wren]

I'd shoot myself in the mouth halfway through

Or fight naked, fuck it

The way nature intended

[winter pecan]

I think warden chooses loadout tbh, otherwise how would you coordinate with others in your quad, you're also still in hydrostasis

You wake up afterwards

[burnt wren]

Yeah, he just gives us the guns, we figure out the rest

[winter pecan]

The apparal are PPE

[pastel ether]

I'm guessing that the apparel might either be non-canon or it might be related to parallel universes.

[winter pecan]

Yea probably not cannon, no way to change it without opening hydrostasis

[finite vine]

I mean when your in hydrostasis all of your bodily functions are slowed down to the point your basically dead, but i would say it is still possible for the implant to transmit visual cortex data of the gear selection and the rundown screen to the prisoner so they can choose equipment and expedition.

that’s what I think at least, i would love to see a log talking about how they are equipped with gear.

but I would bet that in the actual lore, they don’t have the option to change gear.

[pastel ether]

Also, considering 834-786-873 (https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_1.0_Logs#834-786-873), it states that Bishop was still wearing the same equipment he was initially issued with, and I doubt that the Warden would have felt 'letting the prisoners get changed' would be a worthwhile use of time and energy.

[finite vine]

yea that’s what I was thinking

[winter pecan]

Cognitive functions would also be slowed to nothing though.

I don't think the warden would allow prisoners to choose gear

Nor biocom

[finite vine]

true, but that is actually good because time really moves much faster in real time than in the prisoners view-point, which would support the fact that there are a few hours between each expedition.

[finite vine]

yea honestly good point. an ai would just make that decision for them

or not give them a decision at all

which is probably the case

[pastel ether]

well, they also get a pretty major case of the 'I forgor' when in hydrostatis, and are in a state where they need hydrokinetic fluids to be replenished in order to function when revived, so they definitely won't be in a state that would allow them to choose equipment

[winter pecan]

Legionnaire be like:
I forgor 💀

[finite vine]

yea but they don’t forget basic functions or vocabulary, like guns or clothes

[burnt wren]

Muscle memory OP

Operating a gun is about as easy as driving a bicycle

[clever niche]

Apparently HEL is Hybrid-Electrothermal-Lightgas so it seems to be a regular gun but the combustion is hydrogen/oxygen. Electrothermal refers to using electricity to start the reaction (basically a fancy spark plug)

[burnt wren]

Yep.

[pastel ether]

tbf the HEL rifle does look somewhat railgun-y

[winter pecan]

Now I really want a mission that starts at kds deep

[finite vine]

same, it’s probably gonna happen

[pastel ether]

well, R5E1 apparently ends there

[finite vine]

I wonder if kds deep was built on top of shaft 17b, the deepest shaft

[pastel ether]

I did not play R5E1 myself though

[finite vine]

I mean it makes sense, they probably needed a shit ton of kso’s to defend expeditions down there

[winter pecan]

I feel like I need a map of garganta compared to the egg

[pastel ether]

also HIST-D22-K.LOG also pretty much states that KDS deep is, well, pretty deep down (and that it's probably near the main shaft) https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#HIST-D22-K.LOG

[finite vine]

I’m almost 90% sure that the max depth of garganta and it’s facilities is 1500 meters, but that does not include any classified projects from kds or project insight, who knows what they have going on. that is from the Final Depth Reached log.

[winter pecan]

Ah nice, how deep is inner?

[finite vine]

not sure, the top of the egg starts at somewhere below 1500 meters, but an exact depth is not stated. the egg is also 2200 meters tall, and it is not known if the inner is directly in the middle of the egg or not.