gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

and another, in e1, blocked by charger biomass.

if you want to read deeper, the "for dummies" is in the pins. lots of stuff about ancient aliens and idiot scientists.

[burnt wren]

I wonder what's that supposed to be.

[edgy hearth]

That's charger biosmass?

[burnt wren]

Raw parasite....

[edgy hearth]

I thought that was just some fleshy growth kindly like deadspace

[burnt wren]

It does tend to be related to chargers

[eternal talon]

rundown 1

been here forever, baby.

[burnt wren]

You can find it in B3 overload in a charger room

And in E1 it covers the entire hallway from which waves come

Spooky shit.

[eternal talon]

it was first ever seen in the same room chargers were first introduced.

[edgy hearth]

Ah

[eternal talon]

and so, a connection was born.

[edgy hearth]

I see

I just thought it was like the flesh in deadspace which just kept spreading

[burnt wren]

It also looks exactly like them.

[edgy hearth]

True

[burnt wren]

Same colour scheme I mean

[eternal talon]

its also on destination

[edgy hearth]

Did they change the charger colour scheme from r6 to r7
I could actually see parts of their face this rundown

[eternal talon]

and one of the HSU storage vaults (outside of kds-deep)

[edgy hearth]

Chargers and shadows are dumb and stupid

[eternal talon]

not that i know

[eternal talon]

chargers are fun enemies, i like them. ghosts though.. they can go fuck themselves

[edgy hearth]

Do we have any sort of info about shadows and how they arrive

[eternal talon]

zeroooooooo

[edgy hearth]

Normal chargers ok
Big chargers can go fuck themselves

And so can running shadow giants

Question about the bigger enemoes

[eternal talon]

yeees?

[edgy hearth]

Are they a single entity or like

An amalgamation

[eternal talon]

all but the mother and tank are single dudes

big swole guys and gals

the mother has two heads

the tank has 3

[vivid arch]

is it possible that the big ones have some charger mass in them to make them bigger?

[edgy hearth]

[eternal talon]

don't know, but i don't think so given that chargers themselves are their own variant

[vivid arch]

they are a bit darker like scout waves

true

[eternal talon]

hybrids.. maybe. they are quite similar in appearance

fun fact: the kraken from r6d1 is a hybrid class mutation

[edgy hearth]

I'll say
I'm surprised none of the 4 prisoners have undergone the process of becoming a sleeper

Like

We've been through fuck tons of fog

[eternal talon]

we should have, and schaeffer should be fuckin' dead.

schaeffer has been without hydrostasis to even slow it for 2 years

nam-v kills in 5 weeks, tops.

it is 100% lethal

[edgy hearth]

Inb4 sleeper buff mechanics
You get charger arm for extra protection but get slowed down

Awful idea

I know

[south lake]

I think at that point it's either major developer oversight, or Schaeffer's somehow become immune to NAM-V

[still ether]

the games lore is weird

it should be more like slime rancher

[eternal talon]

hahahahahaha
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=db54486eb4924b39969d9d7b9003bf0b&pm=s
World Health Organization recommends all people remain isolated until further notice there is still no treatment for the nam vee [inaudible] currently no vaccination [inaudible] misinformation and misdiagnosis [inaudible[ there is no naturally occurring immunity from nam vee due [inaudible]

[south lake]

Frostty, that's not a be-all-end-all lmao

[eternal talon]

double oversight

i know but fuck, kinda funny

[south lake]

WHO, CDC, etc. are all very real, very fallible organizations that can make mistakes 👀

And "No naturally occurring immunity" just means they haven't found someone with it yet

[eternal talon]

its the very last thing they published before they went silent

[south lake]

On a planet with..

How many billions of people?

[eternal talon]

what are the chances of that?

[eternal talon]

8?

[south lake]

The odds of finding someone immune to a virus with a 100% lethality rate are almost nil

[eternal talon]

something like that

no, i'm saying what are the chances of schaeffer being the only person immune

[south lake]

I never said only person

[eternal talon]

his luck would be insanity

[south lake]

Just that at this point he's either got to be immune, or the devs are hamming up their own lore

[eternal talon]

well you'd think the WHO would have found at least one on the surface

[south lake]

I wouldn't, no.

[eternal talon]

well why is that?

[south lake]

The WHO is actually quite small, staff-wise

Only about 8000+ people

Compared to the 8 billion plus on Earth overall

Too few eyes for way too large a sample size

[eternal talon]

yeah but don't they work directly with governmental programs like the cdc across the world?

[south lake]

Usually, but not always

And, again

Organizations are fallible

[burnt wren]

In the business we call this "bad writing"

[south lake]

Literally all it would take is one scientist to go "He's not immune, he just doesn't have NAM-V" yet

And cut him loose

[eternal talon]

that's kind of stupid of them.

[south lake]

Again

People make mistakes lmfao

It's part of being human, dude

[eternal talon]

motions two the two idiots in the corner that started this mess by ignoring quarantine

[south lake]

No one is infallible

Not even those at the very tippy top

Especially them

[eternal talon]

well yeah, but foor those two researchers the entire place was clearly labeled and under quarantine

they didn't bother to even wear their equipment

[south lake]

There's literally no argument you can make against the natural stupidity that humanity is rife with

[eternal talon]

oh i know

but its just stupidity after stupidity that caused all of this

thats the case in most horror/post apocalypse movies also to be fair.

some nut somewhere does something stupid that causes a chain reaction that dooms the planet

[burnt wren]

The argument is "bad writing"

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't say the writing is bad, just.. it's been done before

its standard for this kind of setitng

[burnt wren]

If you need your characters to be stupid to progress the story / allow it to exist then your story is shit

[eternal talon]

you gotta establish people, places, and horrible deaths

[eternal talon]

well i mean even you can acknowledge some of the stuff in the story is fucking amazing

[burnt wren]

That's the defense, yeah. We have that happen.

But it's still convinince / contrivince and those are both bad writing tools because they are easy escapes and writers end up overusing them.

[south lake]

Jumping straight into "Your story is shit and you should feel like shit" is a bit harsh.

[eternal talon]

even if you strip down the story to exclusively stuff about the allens and make a game around that and them escaping destination, it'd still be good.

[south lake]

I'll admit what we do know about the story feels a bit hamfisted at times, but I don't think that makes it shit

[burnt wren]

Well, that's the thing. It's fine if you do it maybe once.

[south lake]

Ultimately it's Lo-Science Fiction, they could do whatever the hell they wanted, even have Schaeffer start blasting glitter from his ass, and call it canon

[burnt wren]

But it better be something small and not be a corner stone of your entire story.

[south lake]

Different strokes for different folks also applies to story writing.

[eternal talon]

the artifacts really look like rock candy. i kinda wanna eat them.

[burnt wren]

Because its rather anticlimatic if your entire epic story stands on someone being inhumanly stupid.

It's just a bad payoff.

[eternal talon]

a lot of underdog stories start like that but turn it around by the end

[south lake]

What the fuck is with people and wanting to eat inedible shit? Seriously

First the sarcophagus sewage, now this

[eternal talon]

they look like homemade rock candy

[burnt wren]

And also its imortant to draw a difference between an actually dumb decision and decision based on a strong emotional feeling.

For example Luke in Star Wars going to save his friends while his training is unfinished is a stupid, but an understandable decision. It also, fairly, comes back to bite him in the ass and literally costs him a hand.

Here we talk about potential of doctors in situation of world wide 99% death rate pandemic ignoring people who could be immune. Big dumb.

[rocky wraith]

I ate paper as a kid :)

I turned out fine

[still ether]

I eat plastic

and gum

but gum is more standard

[rocky wraith]

You aren't gen z if 2% of your blood isn't microplastics

[still ether]

I did drink a bit of hand sanitizer in elementary school

I was also put in a box and tossed down a flight of stairs

my childhood was crazy

[rocky wraith]

me dealing with baby sleepers

[burnt wren]

With, like, an intention to kill or...

[still ether]

the intention to feel something

no, idk why

but it happened

and it didn't feel too good

[burnt wren]

What's up with people having these bad shit childhoods...

[still ether]

real

[eternal talon]

really common, sadly.

i can agree with my own.

[still ether]

it's when I lived with my mother, I don't like my mother

[burnt wren]

My most traumatic memory is bring bitten by a bug that everyone gaslights me into believing is not capable of biting.

[south lake]

As a child is one thing. Children are stupid.

[burnt wren]

And now I have insect phobia and don't let even moths to sit on me.

[still ether]

you have it easy

are you in USA?

[burnt wren]

Also breaking me hand, but that's different.

[eternal talon]

for me, calling 911 and them not doing anything because the offender was a veteran despite heavy bruising

well, i didn't call, i went down the road and the neighbors did that.

anyway, back to gtfo-lore.

[burnt wren]

Yeah, can't think of anything else that's like insane. Just mundane tragedies of life.

[still ether]

I can

[burnt wren]

Either way, Schaeffers "immunity" is bullshit and big dumb.

There's no fucking way, no.

him, of all people

[eternal talon]

he's been down there without hydrostasis or any kind of preventative measure that we know of for two years,

[burnt wren]

Not even us.

[eternal talon]

despite it taking 5 weeks at most to kill.

[burnt wren]

Luv me plutholes

[eternal talon]

the schaeffer discrepancy that the devs don't call a discrepancy.

"well i will never answer things in a chat like this that you could find answers for in the game itself, i can talk about the process of developing the game and the process of writing the stuff, but questions about the logics of the story itself you have to play the game and look for answers and clues, but i mean yeah that was a little bit of a flex of that first like, "i know this stuff and i know about the timeline and i'm trying to put you on the spot here and point out that there is a logical fallacy"

[burnt wren]

A) writers are coping hard
B) it's all a big brain 2000 IQ ploy and Shaff is from another dimension or is a body snatcher

All signs point to A, btw.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-guy-yes-ir-is-is-that-evenpossible-gif-13829766

[eternal talon]

body snatcher

ladies and gentlemen, we got em'

[late raven]

Could they not have something like the long time expotiour (I dont think its spelled that way) of high viral environments can create immunity? Or that some artefact could create immunity?

[still ether]

100% death rate

[burnt wren]

We do, technically, have artifacts that reduce viral infection build up.

So maybe Shaff is huffing some

[late raven]

Then could it not be some form of combination of the 2

?

[burnt wren]

He also knows what boosters are

But we have exactly 0 evidence towards either thus far.

We know 2 things for a fact:

• namv kills at 100% of casss
• it does so in ~5 weeks

[late raven]

Thats the thing though. So far. The story is probably written but we dont have it all

[burnt wren]

Shaff was roaming about for way longer than that, and being the ground zero - garganta is the most infectious place there is

Even Kovac directly says if one the logs that they cant do jack shit about it

[late raven]

Maybe he is immune to the effects of the parasite

[burnt wren]

They can kill the parasite, but the virus stays no matter what. Hsus just delay the inevitable.

[burnt wren]

That would be a major plot contrivince.

Like galactic levels of luck.

[late raven]

I dont think this is the devs scrambling to cover plotholes

[burnt wren]

I hope not, but at this day and age I just don't trust writers anymore.

[still ether]

I don't trust words

some of them are shifty

[late raven]

Well him living through what he did in itself is insane luck as well so not so far away imo

[late raven]

I dont trust letters... they group up too much

[burnt wren]

Being skilled enough to avoid being eaten and rolling something that apparently nobody top side managed to roll (that we know of) is radically different leagues.

Even if it all makes sense in writers' room - they are blue balling us something nasty.

[still ether]

that's a good joke, I want it

[burnt wren]

They had 7 rundowns to take this somewhere.

And to be fair the ending of 7 is a major turning point.

I can only hope/fear what comes after this.

Best they can do under circumstances is to claim that its only been 2 weeks or something since R5.

[late raven]

Being skilled enough to roll something nobody else in the complex (at least nobody that didnt have kso education and our main 4) managed to do and then escape and survive completely alone? That is insane amounts of luck

[burnt wren]

That actually the time scape is very tight.

[burnt wren]

That's actually a problem as well. Still about 1 solar system of issues less than actual immunity.

[late raven]

I'll give you rights of use to it

[late raven]

There could be people topside that were immune as well. We still dont have enough to go on to say that shaf is the only lucky one

[burnt wren]

You'd think the reports and news would say something, anything... But yeah, there is a chance.

[still ether]

thanks!

[burnt wren]

Blue balling continues.

Only 3 more months of wait time until more lore

[late raven]

Not neccesarily. If there are a small amount of people that are naturally immune and the common sense rules are to stay away from people there is no real chance to find them and report on them

If the general consensus is "keep away from others" and the entire populace of earth except like 3000 people die in the matter of months it would not be that hard for them to completely ghost the news

[burnt wren]

If its that small than maybe. Although at this point it doesn't matter... Some 3000, spread across all of earth? That's it.

And Shaff being one of those 3000 is still major luck on his part.

[eternal talon]

if he had the parasite he'd already be dead. the parasite is what turns you into a sleeper.

puppets you.

[burnt wren]

Which brings us to elephant in the room: Hendrikson.

How long was he out? Is he immune too?

[eternal talon]

we do not know how long he has been out of stasis.

we don't have any dates after r5 on the twitter.

[late raven]

This makes me think that shaf have found an actual antivirus

[eternal talon]

so we can't use that for time like we do the others.

[burnt wren]

Half insane ex pit boss who's only good at digging and building finds antivirus.

Big X to doubt on that one.

Unless he... Found some shrooms down there 🤔

[late raven]

The same dude managed something that no1 else managed in surviving as well so he seems resourcefull

[burnt wren]

That's about as good as it can get at this point

Being an amazing vent ninja and having a degree at virulorogy... I don't think they are comparable.

Again, it has to be luck.

There's no way he created something.

Not him.

[late raven]

You dont need a degree to stumble over a lucky solution and realize it worked by noticing that you disnt die

[burnt wren]

Maybe that girl on the logs, but not him.

[late raven]

He managed to figure out how to get hendriksson out.

[burnt wren]

By literally following an instruction manual. After killing another guy first.

[late raven]

That he still figured out how to set free

[burnt wren]

Clarify, Im not sure what you're reffering to.

[late raven]

He managed to get the first guy out. He managed to find out who to set free. He managed to figure out how to contact main 4.

He seems pretty clever for some1 only good at sneaking and building

[burnt wren]

Clever enough, but not a genius. Now that you remind me... One of the log mentions that ha tapped into kovac's communication lines.
So he has some notable technical skills, that's for sure. He's kinda like an engineer. But an engineer, not a virulorogist. These are different kinds of smarts. He'll have to find a library and spend lots of time in one before he can do anything about nam-v. Clearly more time than he actually has.

[rocky wraith]

he only had a way into hearsay becuase Arty showed him how

[burnt wren]

So again, the only 2 solutions to get out of this situation are:
A) he got lucky and stumbled upon some shrooms or whatever ;
B) he wasn't actually out of hsu for 5 weeks or more and actually the last 3 rundowns are lighting fast and take place in like 4 weeks or less

Given the choice - I'd take the latter.

[rocky wraith]

or he's infected and slowly turning into a stooper

[eternal talon]

r1-3 was about a year.

[burnt wren]

Actually... Hmmm.

[eternal talon]

even though we don't have exact dates, i'd say its probably near the same for 5-7

[burnt wren]

You gave me an idea, Beanz.

The 5 weeks death... Thats just nam-v, outside.
We don't know how long it takes with parasite joining the party. At least I believe we don't.

That could be a writing escape as well.

[eternal talon]

between r1 and r5 it was 2 years and 2 months.

r5 ended may 4th, 2065.

i think

these numbers are hard.

rundown 3 ended nov 5th 2063. we know that as a fact.

r5 ended may 4th.. sometime

and r1 ended march 30th.. sometime

thing is i don't know if its a good idea to take the difference in dates as canon

since 2020-2022 is r3-r5

but r1 would still be 2020, so same year.

it's confusing.

https://twitter.com/GTFO_The_Warden

[burnt wren]

My balls can only get so blue before turning purple. We'll to wait and see and pray they do something good with R8. Some major reveals would be very welcome right now.

[eternal talon]

any reveals would be major. they mentioned revisiting old rundowns would be done in-lore

allen shenanigans inbound, no doubt.

[edgy hearth]

In this episode of gtfo lore boogaloo
Schaeffer is over powered

[snow yarrow]

Any log or something?

[eternal talon]

of course. I do my research.

specifically, BDG-UT3-54HC.log
"PCS alert: unauthorized access logged"

was in r6dx.

was WRDN looking into rise and info on it a couple months before r3 ended.

**PCS alert: unauthorized access logged

Date: 06/17/2063

AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS

WRDN: override

ready:_

conduit_gather()

updating...

validating dict[ ]…

asset: cerebrospinal_fluid, 15000/15000

asset: X-gen_compound_catalyst, 15000/15000

asset: N-33S_endocrine_stimulator, 15000/15000

asset: NGF_protein, 15000/15000

asset: Nyxos_HSU_NN3_unit, 15000/15000

asset: PID 600/600

assets acquired

conduit_gather(true)

...

simulate(conduit_init(current))…

simulating...

...

0.036% success rate

estimated product stability in 7480 hours 37 minutes

simulate (conduit_init(_rise()))

simulating...

...

0.24% success rate

estimated product stability in 326 hours 14 minutes

…

Complex Power Distribution System connection established

simulate _rise(peak_load, PID[0])...

request denied

simulate _rise(peak_load, PID[1])...

request denied

simulate _rise(peak_load, PID[2])...

request denied

simulate _rise(peak_load, PID[3])...

request denied

...too many results. Print stopped...

simulate _rise(peak_load, PID[418])...

request approved

...simulating power load: neurogenic cardiac resuscitation * 15,000

...simulating power load: nyxos environment purifiers * 15,000

...simulating power load: neural imprint actuators* 15,000

...simulating power load: HSU depressurizers * 15,000

calculating load…

...

peak_load == 720 MWs

current load = 230MWs

...

init_rise(*.g, *.t, *.f, *.o)

updating init_rise() objectives():

asset: generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-01, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-03, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-05, redirect(HSU vault)

asset: generator_B-07, redirect(neonatal)

wait() **

the only log that we have a confirmed date on that occurs during gameplay.

[snow yarrow]

got it

[eternal talon]

gordon freeman?

[eternal talon]

with this and the days/months from the WRDN twitter, they line up perfectly.
r2 ends on june 12th, 2063. With the newly acquired neonate, wrdn starts looking into project rise on the 17th.
rundown 3 in total we have the most "timeline" info on, with it lasting approx ~5 months from the start to the end, assuming it started in june around the time wrdn was looking into rise

[snow yarrow]

cool

[burnt wren]

To be fair it wasn't correlated for him either. It was a skill honed from having to race Barney to get Kleiner's keys or something. It was basically a hobby for both of them.

[eternal talon]

from hl2e1, i remember that.

[white sluice]

About a year after our investigation of Patrick's death we received a panicked phone call from Mary Maloney who was urging us to come to her residence, saying that she had information about Patrick's murder. When we knocked on her door after arriving at the house there was no response, but we found the door was unlocked. Upon entering the living room we found Mary deceased on the floor by the entrance leading into the kitchen. Morticians came to the conclusion that she had died of an overdose of various medications including anti-depression medications, Ibuprofen, and Ambien. They also found alcohol was present in her system near the time of death. There was a note in her hand which read "evidence is in the freezer." Opening the freezer revealed a frozen leg of lamb, another note, and a photo of Mary and Patrick. The note told of how she was driven to kill Patrick after he told her of devastating news (which she did not describe.) According to the note, she used a frozen leg of lamb to murder Patrick, went to the store to buy food for a meal, and later deceived responding officers into eating the meal which contained the leg of lamb used for the crime. This is the most information we have of the case at the time.

[stuck aspen]

[raw fable]

?

new update?

[sage fern]

not from GTFO no, this is a Roald Dahl story

[hexed schooner]

wut

[sage fern]

it's from a Roald Dahl story

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter

[raw fable]

ah

weird

[white sluice]

Lmao, it's ending my friend wrote for it

[sage fern]

not sure it belongs in this channel tbh

[eternal talon]

interesting observation.
the mayans described what they encountered as "flea demons".
three possibilities; if they encountered just nam-v, why would they call them demons? nam-v by itself cannot create sleepers. if they encountered nam-v and the parasite, in which case how did they avoid an end of the world scenario? they'd have to have managed to exterminate every trace of them since the virus would keep the parasite alive indefinitely. it wouldn't have died out over time. finally, if they just encountered the parasite.. which we know actually nothing about. In terms of if it can even create sleepers without the virus, or anything in relation to how it works.

[edgy hearth]

How those poor bastards fought chargers or shadows is beyond me

Prob lit entire sections of the forest on fire

[eternal talon]

you think that's spooky, have a look at this ai generated art with a prompt description of flea demons

[still ether]

pretty

[edgy hearth]

hanz,get ze flamenwerfer

Honestly flamethrower might genuinely just delete most sleepers

Normal bois-fire
Big bois-fire

Fire gud

Gib flamethrower ingame

I'm surprised kovac didnt have some of those considering sleepers were a considerable problem

[full oar]

i mean they were in an enclosed underground complex where fire suppression systems were very limited

excluding in the garden tileset

[eternal talon]

kovac probably have warehouses of the things, but the devs have gone and said they won't add them for us to use. same with explosives.

[still ether]

but the normal giant's butt looks pretty burnt up

like a burnt marshmallow

[eternal talon]

not just giants. look at those legs. burnt to a crisp.

[still ether]

roughly

fire has nothing on these big guys

I just think they look similar

[eternal talon]

wow. very orange filter.

is that f.lux?

[still ether]

I pulled it off of google

apparently early access, it was a thumbnail

[eternal talon]

f.lux is a windows overlay for light-sensitivity.

i used to use it

[still ether]

I gots no clue abt that

[eternal talon]

it has to be something of the sort, even the "WARDEN OBJECTIVE" is like that

r1 pic for comparison

[still ether]

pretty environment

[eternal talon]

oh boy, you've seen nothing.

i can rant for hours about how i miss the old lighting engine

dark bits were generally DARK DARK, and everything had much more grit.

idk why, but everything looks a lot more clean nowadays

here is r2 for example.

pitch fucking black without flashlight

[still ether]

ye I liked it a lot

same with dust, I feel like the ambient dust has gone downhill

it looks so big now

and doesn't always seem like dust

[eternal talon]

honestly only a couple moments in recent rundowns have impressed me with lighting.

[still ether]

I think the DX room is pretty

[eternal talon]

indeed. the data vault is great.

[still ether]

the other 2 are ok, a lot of the lights now are sorta mid

they should go back to some of the old textures

like the scan textures were so cool

now they're gross

[eternal talon]

old textures

[still ether]

some of the

cfoam is wierd

but like

I miss the old ambience

just in general

[edgy hearth]

Either I've grown too used to the spook

Or maybe it isnt as spooky by design anymore

But the game doesnt feel as creepy anymore

[clever night]

I've watched some old dev gameplay yesterday, and while it wasn't as scary for me, I could see how tense it was for them as they were playing like any new players would

nowadays we just go in a room, bonk stuff, delete scout, and have a nice escape, but for them it was really tense and it looked awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYr8mCATrL4 this video

This video encompasses 100% what the game felt initially

[eternal talon]

that ambience, immediately

honestly in most horror games, which gtfo claims to be, you can't really fight back against the enemies hunting you.

fucking up a room should wipe you

the reduction in scari-ness might have a little to do with checkpoints

maybe even significantly increasing enemy health and damage

[clever night]

wipe is a bit big, but it should really have an impact on your resources, dangerously so

[eternal talon]

less enemies, but stronger individually

[eternal talon]

its not, you can literally go guns blazing all of a1 and b1

thats not a good introduction into what's supposed to be a horror coop game

[clever night]

I remember coming back to the game a few months earlier and we would fuck up a lot and while one room wasn't deadly we piled up 2-3 room and it was a garanteed wipe

[eternal talon]

after 2-3 woke rooms, your run should be over.

completely.

[clever night]

now I'm just eeeh it's fine

[eternal talon]

thats how it used to be

[clever night]

A1 is too easy, can't even wipe

[eternal talon]

especially back in r1 when the playerbase was less skilled

[clever night]

A1 is WAY too easy for some reason

[eternal talon]

rundowns are too easy, but you have the same subset of players that want it to be more hard, but difficulty does not mean scary

[clever night]

Oh yeah they're different concepts I know

[eternal talon]

its a delicate mix, and with people trying to tryhard the game and having a "meta" at all ruins it

if you can fight in win, what's the point in hiding?

[clever night]

but A1 just doesn't even put a little bit of pressure on you

[eternal talon]

it's like playing alien isolation except you have a flamethrower from the start with near unlimited ammo

[clever night]

(except extract but after the intial surprise eehhh)

[eternal talon]

it completely removes the horror

i want to play gtfo and be reminded of outlast

not the shitty red-light green-light that it is right now in atmospheric terms

there is no tension

only oh please don't die because we'll lose progress

not oh please don't die because its fucking terrifying

jerry is only a tiny bit of going in the right direction

but he is far from common

enemies like him that 1-shot you and are unavoidable are perfect for horror games

not shooting galleries

and i know gtfo's no outlast in terms of horror, but it has potential

potential thats been wittled down and removed over the years.

you wouldn't say outlast 2 for example, is a "hard" game.

yet it fucking nails the horror atmosphere.

if they ever add a proper level editor, i'd be one of the first to make a true horror experience.

[green burrow]

Enemies roaming between areas in stealth would mean A LOT for the horror element.

[burnt wren]

Oh yeah, definetely. The fact that sleepers have effectively no agenda when sleeping kinda ruins horror fast. Its partially for this reason why scouts are pretty much the primary source of horror these days.

[eternal talon]

ehh, i could see you making sleeping enemies work.

just the fear of waking them up.

extreme sound sensitivity.

anyway, i got pics.

here is what our HSU looks like on the freight-lift.

also... allens be getting high?

yo, lemme get some of that IB-10527

[edgy hearth]

Maybe stuff like introducing a stalker enemy like that in dead space or last of us

You know that fucker is there cuz it was peeking around a corner looking at you

I mean we have the snatcher

Maybe tweak the snatcher to act like that?

[burnt wren]

Oh god, Stalkers.

Fucking hate those guys.

Such a primal fear coming from them. Like being hunted by a pack of wild wolves.

I think part of the reason why GTFO isn't scarry is because enemy design is just not that good. Sleepers slowly just turn into a joke. Case and point:

Dead Space respected necromorphs, and necromorphs themselves are some of the best designed horror creatures i've ever seen. They barely retain human features, and instead become these The Thing style monsters which grow into whatever shape that hehlps them kill better.

Sleepers are just... Some naked guys with a badass mouth for a head.

Even snatcher has this issue. He just looks like a very fat naked guy who runs on all 4s.

[green burrow]

I mean the Snatcher kinda acts like the DS stalker, the problem is that its just another combat enemy. Playing hide and seek with some new enemy that goes from room to room.

[slender forum]

is there a video i can watch about the gtfo lore thats relevant to the current rundown or do I have to do my own research

[eternal talon]

Have a read of the "for dummies" document in the pins. It is always kept up-to-date whenever a new update comes out, and for video, the best there is is Infinite duck's, also in the pins

[slender forum]

ok thanks

[eternal talon]

If you have any questions that the doc or the vid don't answer, I'm here all day every day.

[merry frost]

me too

[edgy hearth]

Dude when you see giants and theres 0 sense of fear,just "its bonking time"

Only time I've been afraid of giants is either the giant charger or giant shadow running at me through pitch black

[eternal talon]

Charger giants are fucking horrifying, I don't care what anybody else has to say

The sight of one of those running at you alone is enough to get you to drop what your doing and unload an entire mag into it

[edgy hearth]

Mfw when I have to mag dump an lmg into one

God bless anti giant weapons

[eternal talon]

Mfw there is more than one.
Mfw I'm playing r6d4 and there is also a charger scout wave

[edgy hearth]

And the people who go toe to toe with multiple with a shotgun

[toxic wagon]

Charger giants basically. No headshot multis. N word pass. Faster .

[edgy hearth]

R6 D2 but you alert every single scout to bring 25 ish chargers

But hel gun funny

[toxic wagon]

Still instill me with great fear

[edgy hearth]

And chargers are a joke

[toxic wagon]

Muh helgun

[edgy hearth]

Speaking of which,hel rifle when

[toxic wagon]

[edgy hearth]

Mfw I thought it was trash in r5
May have been me being new and not realizing how good it actually was

Or maybe r6 decided to ubercharge it

[eternal talon]

We will have to see. I've asked the community manager about rundown specific weapons twice, both times given an answer that I'll get an answer eventually.

[edgy hearth]

I'm just waiting for new lore

Even tho I can barely recall what ive read previously

[eternal talon]

If you need a refresher, the for dummies is always there.

[edgy hearth]

Luckily for my constant oversights of not going through logs and stuff ingame
This place exists

[eternal talon]

It's a compact som' bitch.

Also, I kinda exist, the no-life encyclopedia of gtfo-lore

[edgy hearth]

Hmm

[eternal talon]

Fun.

[edgy hearth]

Random question

[eternal talon]

Yes?

[edgy hearth]

Would it be possible for,let's say, an entire sub level to be cleared of sleepers

Like say an A tier level

[eternal talon]

Technically, yes.

But it would need a significant amount of man-power

And aside from freight lifts, we haven't seen any passages between floors that'd need to be fortified.

Not to mention setting up air scrubbers and trying to purify it of the infection fog in zones.

[edgy hearth]

I dunno I was thinking that if you could clear out a level
You could open up the kds deep pods at said level without the people inside being infected

And get them to work

[eternal talon]

It'd be an endeavor, but it's most likely possible.

[edgy hearth]

Or something

explosive collars ftw?

[eternal talon]

Problem with that is, we don't know explicitly how deep the infection is.

[edgy hearth]

oh boi

[eternal talon]

We know nam-v's airborne, you'd have to go through sealing every single duct going to lower levels

[edgy hearth]

[eternal talon]

You'd have to completely seal every elevator shaft, stairwell, and loading dock.

I don't think being nam-v free in garganta specifically would be an easy task.

[edgy hearth]

looks at resident tank

[eternal talon]

It's a mine, the entire place is designed from the top for ventilation

That's how Santonioan designed it in the first place, before Kovac, and insight.

[edgy hearth]

Well let's hope for whatever is alive on the surface

All the fliers decided to hunt the prisoners

And not go to the surface

[eternal talon]

Thanks for reminding me,

[edgy hearth]

Oh

Joy

What have I done

[eternal talon]

Just the effort to plug those holes alone..

We don't know how many there are but given how often we see them in different levels, it has to be hundreds.

[edgy hearth]

Well shit

[eternal talon]

That each individually would need to be sealed and defended.

[edgy hearth]

ACDC TNT starts playing

[eternal talon]

Because you know if you start doing work on the upper levels like you describe, well.. it'd be the world's largest dinner bell the sleepers have ever heard.

Because it's how it is with nam-v and the parasite..

One breach and the entire floor is fucked.

It'll start to spread and you'll have to root out every sleeper to stop the infestation from spreading.

[edgy hearth]

Why must the allens have brought that shit with em

[eternal talon]

It's like how the shipmaster says about the flood in halo 3, glassing half a continent to save the planet.

Scorched earth.

[edgy hearth]

Flood are scary

They can go fuck themselves

[eternal talon]

At least the flood can die off from the halo rings.

[edgy hearth]

I have no idea what's happening with them as of halo infinite

[eternal talon]

Sleepers are permanent.

[edgy hearth]

so does everything else

[eternal talon]

You'd have to go through and kill every. Single. One.

The allens sadly didn't give us a nuclear option

[edgy hearth]

The flood does become intelligent after a while
I feel like that's alot worse than nam-v

Especially the gravemind stage

Singular spores can infect people
Yada yada

[eternal talon]

We are just stuck with one dead earth and one massive underground hive just waiting to blow.

Not to mention whatever the fuck the allens have down in the inner

[edgy hearth]

I'm still waiting for a level where we just overload the entire facility

[eternal talon]

If an explosion like the one that happened before happens again..

[edgy hearth]

wat?

[eternal talon]

Well there goes your patch work job.

[edgy hearth]

So the inner was a set of magma tunnels right?

No wait

Nvm

[eternal talon]

No, they looked like magma tunnels, but were not naturally formed.

[edgy hearth]

Yea

I mean

It cant get worse

Right?

[eternal talon]

Again, we don't know what they have down there.

Or even on destination.

[edgy hearth]

F to the bastards who might have go to down there
Mission objective:"explore gud like"

[eternal talon]

What if nam-v was a plan-a? What's plan B?

[eternal talon]

We don't know if the WHO expedition ever made it down here or if the wrdn managed to stop them

[edgy hearth]

Why do I feel like nam-v was just a planet clearing tool gone horribly wrong for the allens

[eternal talon]

But I'd they got down here then not only are they most likely dead, but it's another path open to the surface.

[edgy hearth]

Tbf they probably wouldnt have been able to do anything with the info they got

[eternal talon]

It probably was, though I don't think combining it with the parasite was intentional

Hard to clear a planet of life for colonization if the parasite just keeps them around forever

[edgy hearth]

The parasite sounds one weird ass way to achieve immortality

Maybe tweaking it to not fuck you up physically

[eternal talon]

It's mutations are quite severe and very diverse.

[edgy hearth]

That's not gonna stop some weirdo from trying

[eternal talon]

With the right modifications, allens could have ended up like Armstrong in mgr.

[edgy hearth]

stares at dauda and his human test subjects

[eternal talon]

Daudas testing was more so to understand it.

[edgy hearth]

[eternal talon]

I don't think they'd likely be trying to finish the Allen's homework so to say.

[edgy hearth]

Yea

[cursive glen]

do we know what hydrostasis means?

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith

[rocky wraith]

me

mlem

[eternal talon]

^

[rocky wraith]

hydrostasis is basically like cryostasis except temperature remains the same.

[eternal talon]

an artificial womb style thing, right?

[rocky wraith]

You basically 'fix' everything in place with hydrostasis. all the water in your body stops moving, and so cell processes become frozen

yush, but your are essentially dead

[cursive glen]

oh weird

[rocky wraith]

and your brain slowly deteriorates over time

as you gain schizophrenia, paranoia etc

[eternal talon]

isnt' that just when you are woken improperly though?

[rocky wraith]

memory issues both short and long

[cursive glen]

is that why everyone's going nuts in the lobby?

[cursive glen]

ngl the word hydrostasis reminds me of the respawn cutscene in void bastards

[rocky wraith]

both

[rocky wraith]

its more severe as seen with maddox

but with Shafer you get a clear before and after of what hydrostasis does

[livid grotto]

Holy

Its CoolBeanz

[full oar]

its SmartBeanz

[stuck aspen]

rock paper scissors

[dull crest]

Lore-people, please check out #1021398515513036970

[eternal talon]

What is a fourm channel?

[dull crest]

Check it out @eternal talon, it's a new way of interacting on Discord. Threads, but way better

I think lore would be awesome to have in a forum channel, to keep information better categorized and searchable

[eternal talon]

Check what out

[eternal talon]

People just don't read the pins.

[dull crest]

Yea, because pins aren't really visable at a glance

Click #1021398515513036970 and you'll see the layout

And more info in #community-news

[real pewter]

you can create multiple forum for multiple discussion

like example: "Lore from rundown 6"

and then dump the entire rundown 6 lore in it

people will see the forum, click it and read

[eternal talon]

We don't have it like that though

That's all done over on the wiki

[dull crest]

And with good tags and the built in search function it would benefit from it

[eternal talon]

The only document that's actually kept here is the "for dummies" and "summary of expeditions"

[real pewter]

well

you can do that right now

[dull crest]

In the long run, more stuff could be stored here, on the same place as the discussions

[real pewter]

i saw the useful of it, feel like it's good on all of the chat room

[cedar eagle]

Feel free to pop your thoughts in #1021400951262806056 if you have any. Also a chance to try out the forum layout

[slender forum]

So I'm kind of new to the lore but I think I read that there was a time that sleepers were in garganta but work there continued with increased security, do we know the tipping point of the sleepers causing everything to go to hell.

[eternal talon]

indeed. we do not know the tipping point however for certainty.

best guess at current would be sometime around the detonation in the inner.

[slender forum]

I just imagine being a worker trying to sleep in garganta knowing that a horror beyond your comprehension in in the adjacent room

[burnt wren]

Presumably shit went down when Mr Big brain scientist decided to play a sound that he believed sleepers would not like in particular.

Security officers held off the angry sleepers just fine... Until something detonated under garganta. And by detonated we mean a bunch of lasers shooting into the skies, burning holes through the entire facility.
The exact same holes we use to deploy.

And it just went downhill from there.

But presumably they managed to hold on onto the facility nog enough to develop the cargo lifts we use to deploy as well.

But at some point sleepers just for no apparent reason went on a giant offensive and overtook the facility in rapid succession. Everything was overrun.

[burnt wren]

Which leads us to 2 important questions :

1. what could detonate down there to burn through 1000m of rock and steel
2. why did it detonate exactly at that time: because something down there didn't like the sound either, or because of the drastically increased sleeper activity?

[eternal talon]

it was rising in power the entire week prior.

[still ether]

someone went a lil crazy with the light show

[eternal talon]

geothermal was off the charts

[celest pagoda]

You'd see a move like this in Aperture Science.
"Cave Johnson! The lab boys were running some tests on the live specimens we've captured, turns out certain frequencies will cause them to, uh -sifts through papers - Ah right, go absolutely fucking bananas! Not the term they used, but close enough. So! We're sending you down into one of the chambers the mining teams breached so we can blast those frequencies as far as our budget allows. Best case scenario: we get more specimens - Worst case scenario; some of you might lose a limb or two, nothing we can't fix - Cave out!"

[burnt wren]

To be fair - they almost had it, if it wasn't for that detonation.

[rocky wraith]

Holy
Its MaitrePatate

[livid grotto]

!!!

[slender forum]

Imagine in rundown 8 it's revealed that the entire game takes place in le head

[ember bluff]

is that a le pyro reference

[edgy hearth]

Time to use gavel on narrative director

[slender forum]

Yes

[slender forum]

Could you be playing as the warden In the menus before you deploy

The menu probably isn't important to the story but it's something to think about

[still ether]

gtfo lore is linked to slime rancher lore

[rocky wraith]

Yup :3

technically its seen as the wrdn looking through your neural implants

[stuck aspen]

warden gameplay real

[rocky wraith]

Until we get our implants removed we are still under the influence of the biocom system/wrdn

[still ether]

idkkkkk... I feel like I think for myself. Warren's got nothin on me

[rocky wraith]

So called "free thinkers" when Shafer asks them to juju on that beat

[still ether]

I don't think that helping sleepers kill "teamates" is something the warden or Schafer promote

[real pewter]

"you should kill your..." - whisper calmly by schaefer

[still ether]

noooo

free will is an illusion

[rocky wraith]

So called "free thinkers" when the new objective stack comes in

[still ether]

so called "free thinkers" when someone else has had their thought before

[edgy hearth]

I wonder
If the prisoners have to follow their objective stack
Wouldnt it have made sense for the warden to just tell them to standy or something

Because if I understand D2 correctly
We just go insert a trojan cuz the warden hasnt told us to do anything

Cuz the objective stack is empty

Well
Sorts

[eternal talon]

yes. they are forced to. they cannot deny it.

[eternal talon]

correct. schaeffer takes advantage of us being out of range to have us insert the trojan

[edgy hearth]

Oh

[eternal talon]

if we were in range, all wrdn would have to do is just say 'no' and that'd be that.

[edgy hearth]

Thank you for this

I am glad to know that anything major can be denied by a simple "go to your room"

Hmm
Why has it kept us alive still after D2
You would think prisoners that straight up went against you would be a threat in future expeditions

[eternal talon]

we were supposed to go to a different level, but schaeffer slammed the brakes on the fright lift (not sure the source for this?)

[edgy hearth]

He did use the brakes or sumthin

[eternal talon]

not anymore, schaeffer and henrikkson are now in the network.

it is now arguing parents.

go to your room, go outside, go to your room, go outside, leaving us walking back and forth able to do nothing else.

[eternal talon]

after d2 wrdn is kinda shit out of luck

if wrdn said "go kill yourselves" all schaeffer would have to say is "don't."

[edgy hearth]

I dont have high hopes in regards to what insane man and henrikson will do

Inb4 they send us somewhere more fucked than any of the previous rundowns

[eternal talon]

the inner

[edgy hearth]

Oh yea fam

The inner

I was gonna say that

I'm sure it'll be fine

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

[edgy hearth]

I am not keen of meeting whatever made the holes to the surface

[eternal talon]

some kind of machinery i'd bet.

geothermal was off the charts in the week prior.

[edgy hearth]

I'm gonna with the 40k theme with tyranids and assume some kind of wack ass bioplasma

Since what we fight is organic

[eternal talon]

yeah but it isn't sleepers.

the inner is made by the allens. it's for all intense and terms, a space ship

[edgy hearth]

Alien gun

Gib

Ammo is dumb

[eternal talon]

tbf under schaeffer and henrikkson's command we'll probably end up like this

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

nothing but chaos with our brainwashed orders telling us to do opposite things.

[still ether]

I'm into it

I like the one smashing the vase

[edgy hearth]

One day we'll find a kds ammo vault

Have 2 bastards lug around a crate full of ammo

Ammo troubles are no more

[full oar]

true true

[rocky wraith]

Carry around a heavy machine gun with bipod

[edgy hearth]

it ain't me,it aint me I aint no fortunate one

[rocky wraith]

maybe get a mission where we sit with big guns and lots of ammopacks defending something

[edgy hearth]

I would like a defense mission like that

But actually difficult

[finite vine]

O2 mechanic incoming

[toxic wagon]

This is always being suggested even though it already exists.
Just not in the form they wanted.

[worthy flower]

allen finally shows himself.

[spring kiln]

Was there any lore around last rundowns big boy in d1?

[still ether]

probably has something to do with slime rancher

[burnt wren]

D1?

Oh, the Kraken.

No, nothing. Done and gone, for now.

[past matrix]

we'll probably never get any lore about it; we typically dont get enemy lore, anyways

like we still dont know what birthers are outside of they may have been experimented on

we know that snatchers were experimented on

that's really the extent

[celest pagoda]

We know they come from the fossil. Although many appear to be mutated humans, which many likely are, a recent log suggests that some may not of had human origin.

The log states that Hammerstein believed that, while there was a commonality in mutations between the creatures they caught, they did not come from the same evolutionary tree.

Assuming he is referring to sleepers, which previous logs point to, this can be interpreted as this; not all sleepers are mutated humans, but mutated forms of a human-like species.

An example based on this idea is the difference between Strikers and Chargers. Strikers and Chargers have similar behaviors, but are different in appearance and overall durability and strength. Same purpose, but different outcomes. If we assume that the striker is a mutated human, then I'm suggesting that Chargers are a mutated form of a stronger, human-like species. This goes for almost all the other stronger creatures in the striker family, the size of the giants may not be due to drastic mutation, but rather simply being a mutated form of a large, human-like species.

[burnt wren]

Fairly certain all sleepers are human in origin, just with some of them in more advanced stages of mutation. Although we have evidence to suggest that normal strikers are naturally born as per mothers and Respawn rooms.

[celest pagoda]

Forgot to mention; one of the reasons I started to think about this theory more was due to the anomaly that is the mother. Those 6 arms aren't from other people, as it only has 2 legs. That was odd, so looking more closely I noticed all 3 arms on either side were connected to a large shoulder.

They don't appear to be arms made from mutation, they look to perfect to be bloated hunks of extra flesh, they look like actual arms and hands.

So, mother pre-mutation could of straight up just had 6 god damn arms. That for sure ain't human.

B u t, this is all just speculation

[celest pagoda]

Wanted to mention, while advanced stages of mutations are possibly some of what we see, I don't think that works in certain cases. Most notably, strikers and chargers. The two have entirely different facial structures mutation wise. The split-head maw of the striker is entirely different from the jawless, but still intact, head of the charger.

I'm convinced atleast these two are not predecessor nor advancement mutation wise.

[edgy hearth]

loads high cal with malicious intent
They both die the same

[snow yarrow]

I just notice in the R7 Trail video they have the hibernate pouncer

But in actual R7 I don't think we've met any pouncer that in hibernate...?

[real pewter]

which mean we'll have a pouncer in hibernate

[snow yarrow]

Maybe in R8 lol

[real pewter]

i do want to see him changing the stealth section

[snow yarrow]

Is there any possible that mother is artificial?

I mean the mother really looks like..."human hotdog" like someone said here b4 lol

[snow yarrow]

Oh and one thing I just found out is that biocom cannot be hacked externally (based on D2 Henriksen and Schaeffer). In that case the Warden was most likely implanted from the inside of the complex.

[real pewter]

do they have to do the same thing as us or there is another terminal that directly connected to WARDEN

[snow yarrow]

Unless the Warden were mean to be part of the biocom, the Biocom itself cannot be invaded or say "hacked" from the outside anyway.

It must have something (or somebody) that allow the Warden could directly access the Biocom main frame

[real pewter]

isn't what we doing enough tho

since we can "trick" the warden to send us somewhere we want to be

[snow yarrow]

for now yeah lol

[celest pagoda]

Maybe, definitely not normal human stuff tho.

[full oar]

i doubt it (the pouncer doesnt actually have a sleeping animation)

[burnt wren]

Well... It should.

Imagine a room filled with those bastards, all sleeping.

[edgy hearth]

hans get ze scattergun

[night galleon]

In the files?

[full oar]

yh

doesnt mean they're not going to add one tho

but for lore purposes it doesn't matter since there isnt a sleeping snatcher in r7

[topaz flare]

he does have an animation and sound to it

[merry frost]

🧟‍♂️

[still ether]

[edgy hearth]

They have a mouth?

I thought it was all sealed

The chargers I mean

[burnt wren]

Could be an old picture, or we just can't see in gameplay.

[cedar eagle]

Here's a better look at the chargers face if I remember right. The picture is from the steam trading cards

[solemn kraken]

He seems happy

[cedar eagle]

he just finished learning about ape theory

[sonic citrus]

when you say "aaah" for the dentist

[still ether]

American when burger

[cedar eagle]

borgiir

[final sentinel]

borgur

[cedar eagle]

That picture has always me wonder why they went with the oily look instead of that face

maybe its the art style but it is way more horrifying to look at imo

[final sentinel]

Yeah reminds me of the hybrid face

Actually that might be why

[noble hinge]

Bunger

[final sentinel]

To differentiate chargers and hybrids

[cedar eagle]

if the charger horns stay the same black I would think that might be enough

Is there a known in universe reason as to why the chargers are so oily? @ lore junkies

[harsh saffron]

It looks cool

For a more normal answer: The started appearing in zones with the black goop in the ceiling so thats probably either just dripping down on them or they just appear out of that mass.

[still ether]

yummy goop

[cedar eagle]

I can see that

I always assumed it was a mutation and they were making it themselves

self gooping

[still ether]

real gtfo lore masters would tell me what the goop tastes like

[harsh saffron]

Black licorice of course, thought that was obvious

[sonic citrus]

gross

[harsh saffron]

Indeed

[eternal talon]

wdym, i love black licorice

[still ether]

wish it tasted like crude oil

[harsh saffron]

Thats the big chargers

[vivid arch]

this displeases the rat king

[burnt wren]

We need gun lore, dark souls style.

I want to know how kovac security intended to use scattergun.

[still ether]

I want to know how they died with a scattergun

[cedar eagle]

its for uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[final sentinel]

wildlife control

[humble ravine]

Does each rundown go deeper into the complex and does it add to story (if there is one) with each one of them?

Or is it jus something the devs made to give new content

[burnt wren]

Uh, the short answer is probably Yes.
Each rundown is canonically a new big objective The Warden is trying to achieve and the missions are just separate small steps towards that bigger objectives (plus some side objectives).
We don't go deeper though, we go wider. A1 are almost surface level, while Ds and Es are basically as deep as we ever went. Presumably also why A levels are easier - because the infestation is just not as bad around there.

Although that wasn't always the case. Old rundowns had different level structure...

[humble ravine]

Oh okay

[burnt wren]

The "story" has escalated upon rundown 6.

We got Schaeffer running about, and now in R7 the bastards hacked into the complex.

Lord knows whats gonna happen in R8.

[still ether]

dance party

[burnt wren]

Yeah, and this will be the music:
https://youtu.be/y7lyi3KvgCs

[still ether]

I'm down for it

dancing with 4 tanks

I like that idea

devs hmu

[past matrix]

you can see it in gameplay

i dont know about the smaller models but you can see the mouth, eyes, etc on the giant charger

also monthly reminder that they've been used in promotional art before but still havent shown up

[merry frost]

🧟 🧛 👽

[burnt wren]

❌❌✅

[merry frost]

It's a combination of all 3, not just a singular one.... Smh

[toxic wagon]

A non-oiled Charger

[burnt wren]

1st requires the conservation of original human body in a mostly untouched form (enough to be recognised as a fellow human, even if by mistake). Current mutations had long exceeded that point of no return. We can have the debate on definition, but at that point it's semantics. Mainstream use of the word is enough for me.

2nd requires active consumption of blood. Specifically. Not meat or anything else. Not a thing.

3rd is the only one we have any evidence towards.

And there is one bonus possibility:
👹

[snow yarrow]

That look like mother, but smaller..

[real pewter]

i need to get my eyes check

i looked at that C1 into E1

[snow yarrow]

lol

[real pewter]

"that's not E1"

no shit

i haven't really look into that area that deeply

[snow yarrow]

and my friend also find this dick-shape bone in c1

compare the big striker

[real pewter]

but why

[snow yarrow]

idk

in the whole scene there is only one bone here

[ocean lake]

that's what she said

[snow yarrow]

Also there in B3 there is a human like stuff inside this HSU(only this one have it)

it looks like some film thing sealed up this guy

[cobalt mulch]

and his dong is backwards, that's gotta hurt

(sorry)

[eternal talon]

umm.. why noclip in lore?

if the devs dont want us to see it, we dont see it

also what are those screenshots? isn't that the steam ui?

[versed bronze]

i wonder what would happen if u noclip specimen 22

[eternal talon]

you mean u23? this is u22.

[still ether]

why he look like dat

[eternal talon]

mixture of genetic mutation and being beaten to death with a lead pipe.

[burnt wren]

Fault artificial growth I guess.

[versed bronze]

it says specimen in the text

so whats the lore that its not specimen

[eternal talon]

old screenshot, was replaced with 'unit'

under kovac was specimens, under wrdn is units

in r7 we work on u23.

i assume you meant to noclip into u23 during d1.

[burnt wren]

We used to call them specimens, but now Warden calls them units. Just a little plot hole, nothing to pay attention to.
Either retcon or Warden just randomly decided to promote them from random "specimens" to proper "units".

The only good explanation would be that first 20 were too experimental and basically were just tests, but 22+ are good enough that Warden now considers them his units.

[forest lotus]

holy fuck dick bone canon in gtfo

[snow yarrow]

He is using the steam screen shot and idk we are not suppose to use the noclip here sry about that[

[finite vine]

I have a theory that ties the lore from R7 to the newly announced gameplay changes that is going to allow us to return to older rundowns.

1. We are allowed to go to older rundowns because The Warden are no longer in control of the prisoners, Schaeffer is. So we can essentially go wherever we want in the complex.

2. Something weird happens with the dimensions/ time where we can go/ reach the time periods of the older rundowns.

3. They provide no lore explanation at all.

Writing this I remembered the log that describes the clocks being off sync on L37. https://www.notion.so/clocks-on-L37-running-slow-42826c510f3b47d38253cd2be1e6718f

could it be possible that the quantum frequency from destination is leaking into the complex?

[dense saffron]

They made a post about it, it's a retcon

[eternal talon]

1. there would be no reason as to why we would do the same objectives. And even less so for Schaeffer talking to us in r6 if we are revisiting those parts of garganta in r8.

2. possible

3. they said there would be a reason in lore how it is possible.

Though from what I know, it almost certainly has something to do with the allens.

[still ether]

the allens?

like the neighbors?

[drifting island]

hmm i think other solar systems makes them in the same city, but different neighborhoods

[still ether]

ooohhhh

so like

would they go to the same school or are they zoned differently?

I'm trying to accidentally touch hands when reaching for the scissors in the group bin

[drifting island]

ahh well you can got a school boundary exemption, so the 'accidental' hand holding is soon to come. (maybe this semester!)

[clever night]

I want to make a hand holding joke but I don't want to shitpost in Lore

[still ether]

dm me the joke and I'll laugh no matter how funny or unfunny it is

[eternal talon]

3k light years away in an entirely different plain of existence

[forest lotus]

hackett was an angel sent by god himself in the gtfo world
its canon and you have no way of proving me wrong

[burnt wren]

Well you see... The burden of proof is on you.
Its not that we must prove you wrong.
Its that you first must prove you're right.

No evidence - no canon.

[forest lotus]

it was on the wiki, theres my proof

[burnt wren]

When was last time you were to school or college? Wiki is no longer a respectable source.

It's just a hub for sources. And if there is no proto-source, then it's jot source.

[forest lotus]

b- but people never lie on the internet 😭

[stone vine]

wdym that’s clear photo proof to me

plus wiki is super duper reliable

i learnt about every type of cheese on the wiki

[late raven]

no longer? has it ever been?

[wary portal]

the reason this place has gone to hell is because they found a marker

[cedar eagle]

now that would be one hell of a tie in

[past matrix]

interesting

maybe they planned for something more with it but then cut it for time?

like at some point we open it or some shit

[edgy hearth]

Marker influence on nam-v

Sounds like a fucking nightmare

plasma cutter ain't gonna cut it this time

[eternal talon]

Honestly would explain the appearance of the jerries

[forest lotus]

idk who jerry is but fuck him

[eternal talon]

Snatchers

[forest lotus]

fuck them

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[forest lotus]

snatchers can suck my cfoamed spoon

[eternal talon]

Noo too much. Censor it

[wary portal]

don't worry stomping with a force of 1 thousand men will do the trick

[snow yarrow]

anyone remember the date that nam-v outbreak started?

When does it start to infect on surface

[harsh saffron]

Early 2053 probably, that's when we have the first dated logs mentioning cases outside Garganta but we also have 2 undated logs that could be earlier.

[lilac island]

do you guys think someone shot all the tank tumors while a tank is climbing a ladder back in pre r6 rundowns hence creating the immortal

[solemn kraken]

Bro immortal is just a tank out of puberty. That how he lost his pimples

[ocean lake]

^^^

[dull crest]

Best lore drop this week.

[solemn kraken]

Well hire me 😅

[dull crest]

🥹

[forest lotus]

thats an ugly emoji

get rid of it

[lilac island]

I agree

[forest lotus]

ew i just realized thats a default emoji

[lilac island]

🫥

[forest lotus]

what the fuck

[lilac island]

cool right

say yes

[ocean lake]

🫣

[wild narwhal]

[forest lotus]

i like to think the gtfo characters had a conversation of this at some point

this is canon and you can't convince me otherwise

[burnt wren]

Hackett must be first to respond and Dauda last, then sure.

[stuck aspen]

ah yes

sovietwomble reference

"where's the bomb"

[lilac island]

Marker as in Dead Space Marker?!

[edgy hearth]

Ye

[lilac island]

Ah fuck

I theorised during Rundown 6.0 that they reminded me of necromorphs...

Now we got a marker

That would explain Schaffer then

With Maddox, when he woke up and starting attacking out of the blue, could of been the markers influence that made him insane but not suicidal just yet

[edgy hearth]

I feel like I may have convinced you that theres actually a marker influence

Maddox began going ape shit cuz Schaeffer fucked up the HSU prisoner release process or something

[drifting island]

there is an A1 log detailing it

[dull crest]

👀

[clever night]

B1's collection case contains fluids that needs to be used in the HSU awakening process, else your brain goes soup, hence maddox going a little crazy

[eternal talon]

yep

[lilac island]

I haven't went deep diving in 7.0 yet

but i'm a big fan of Dead Space and hearing that there may be a marker and i see the resemblance of necromorphs i can't stop myself xD

[burnt wren]

no no, no markers here

at least for now

[edgy hearth]

thank fuck

[lilac island]

Yes

[burnt wren]

just lots of weird black crystals

[lilac island]

Thank Fuck

[lilac island]

Aren't those from the desert?

[edgy hearth]

I dont want moon launched inter galactic death sticks

[lilac island]

Same stuff that we used in 6.0

[burnt wren]

not only are they from the desert, but fliers have some sticking out of theior ass

[lilac island]

Yep

It's why they can teleport

no clue how

[edgy hearth]

That planets wild life evolution had some weird priorities

[lilac island]

someone had a theory on quantum physics as to how the teleporter worked

[edgy hearth]

Me no big brain
Me no understand that

[lilac island]

neither did i

[edgy hearth]

caveman speech

[lilac island]

one thing that was sorted was that we figured out the diseases and the monsters, someone wrote up a document about the parasite. Person was a professional in the field of this stuff

[edgy hearth]

Smart beanz?

[lilac island]

Yep

[edgy hearth]

The person I mean

Ye

The lore master and him arent that active here recently

[lilac island]

ah

[eternal talon]

i'm still here from time to time

working on another projekt.

what was your question?

[forest lotus]

gtfo lore is mod

mid

[sage adder]

mod

[eternal talon]

from destination, yes.

[eternal talon]

we don't really know the specifics of how the wave matter projector works and we likely never will. alien technology n' all.

we do know what it does though.

it transports its users to essentially a completely different universe/dimension, where even the fundamental laws of the universe can be different. In destination's case, it's time.

destination runs 85x faster than our own universe.

the MWP also teleports us to a location, destination in our universe, in the butterfly nebula 3k light years away. we know this because it has to lock on to a set of coordinates.

we don't know specifically why, or if the location has to exist in both dimensions, but that is where it is.

[forest lotus]

frostyy a question gtfo lore

[eternal talon]

a lot of our information on the topic of the parasite comes from abeo dauda's report. other than that we sadly know very little about it.

[eternal talon]

what's up?

[lilac island]

There was someone who made a whole file on the parasite

just remembering talks i had during 6.0

[forest lotus]

is it canon that hackett is a buff sexy irish man?

[eternal talon]

of that i am not familiar. we only have ~3 logs that even mention it to my knowledge.

[lilac island]

it was someone who worked in the field of it

forgot the guy

[eternal talon]

you forgot psychopathic

[lilac island]

Le funny man

[eternal talon]

beanz is a professional. so is punkthulhu

if you mean directly working in the field, it's probably punk.

[lilac island]

Yeah, i think Beanz made the file, remember talking to punkthulu about the quantum theory of the Matter Wave Projector

We theorised that the Shadows existed so it's great to actually see them in game

[forest lotus]

i have my priorities straight

[lilac island]

but one thing that's out there is the mimic that we haven't seen, anything happen with it?

[eternal talon]

the mimic doesn't exist per-se.

it is, er, was, u22.

[lilac island]

u22?

[lilac island]

so it's now dead?

[eternal talon]

(old screenshot still says subject instead of unit, but still)

[eternal talon]

schaeffer bashed it's brains in with a lead pipe

[lilac island]

Alright

[eternal talon]

but it's not the only one

[lilac island]

thought so

[eternal talon]

we helped develop one in r2-r3 long before u22, and we are currently creating on in r7.

it's why a1 is called "u23"

[lilac island]

Why do i get the feeling that's what's in the HSU's

[eternal talon]

it's not.

we are seperate.

we are KSOs

[lilac island]

I don't mean us

i mean the Neonate

[eternal talon]

the units were a part of the 'rise' projekt

something else

[eternal talon]

depends.

what wrdn is doing is completely new.