pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[lucid coyote]

idk, try other levels?

if you want a real stress test try r7d1 lmao

[storm bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[lucid coyote]

have you tried holding a gun to your cpu

[storm bramble]

I am getting higher fps in R7D1

I am not even joking

hovering at 35 instead of 30

do I open a support ticket or something ?

are devs even updating the game anymore ?

[lucid coyote]

they arent, sadly

you can open a ticket if you want, some of the staff are still active

[storm bramble]

hmm

[bright shard]

I did for a while. He likely didnt set up the steam proton settings

[storm bramble]

I'll just wait for my PC

I've got more games I can play until then

[bright shard]

Reminder that task manager is shit at trying to understand your gpu load

Straight up wrong most of the time

[pine void]

So this isn’t really related to the game but is a pc problem. When I shutdown my pc it does the whole shutting down screen but then just sits there for an extremely long time, nothing freezes but it gets to the point where I just hold down the power button because it shouldn’t be taking that long to shut down. Any ideas on what could be wrong?

[placid sentinel]

usually some piece of software doesn't wanna die, gets stuck on "are u sure u wanna exit without saving" bit

[north elk]

Seems surprising on windows, if on linux I'd check journald

(not sure how to check on windows)

[full brook]

hey guys my pc is absolute dogshit, what settings should i use for minimal quality?

i already got the low ones on for most stuff, game still looks great

steam crashes in background

and its like 4 fps

like i can see the frames

as the seconds go by

[muted zealot]

mod called lowspecgaming could help

[fleet canopy]

Disable all shadow hehehehe and make fog near non existent mmmmm

[lucid coyote]

my old shitbox ran alright with reduced shadow quality and half texture size

[rugged flume]

Resolution

To whatever you can muster

[full brook]

doesnt that just make the window smaller?

[rugged flume]

oh no, no

[full brook]

alr

thanks

[full brook]

yea

[rugged flume]

I'd start with whatever flavour of 720p your monitor allows

[full brook]

i have lowest settings on rn

[rugged flume]

and work up from that

[full brook]

im on a laptop

a school laptop

my motherboard short circuited

so i took my school pc, and replaced the m.2, ram, and network card

so im basically playing on a chromebook

LOL

[hexed dirge]

If pc cannot play maybe geforce now is the solution?

[rugged flume]

Could work, geforce now has a 1 hour limit if free IIRC

[fleet canopy]

Yea

[full brook]

OH THATS SMOOTH

looks awesome too

[hexed dirge]

Enough to play entire rundown 1 kekw

[full brook]

thanks guys

this is awesome

oh wait i cant even read what that says bruh

[rugged flume]

Press O

Should be clearer

[full brook]

alr

even worse

[rugged flume]

I think lowspec mod fixes that but I'm not sure

You're also going to notice that some weapon sights are barely usable, like DMR, without that

[full brook]

yeah

im using linux aswell

so i cant download exes and stuff

[placid sentinel]

u can mod with linux

ekbr r2modman + linux steam + gtfo

[pine void]

Just gave windows a commands to run a file check and repair to check and it has shutdown properly now twice so maybe it has been fixed

[lucid coyote]

Have u tried turning it off and on again

[tacit edge]

intel core i5-3570 processor, 16 gigs of ram, Nvida G force 1030. is that good enough to run this game? asking for a friend

[subtle epoch]

it will run at 10 fps

800x600 lowest settings

[lucid coyote]

I have a friend who ran this game for years on a 1060

Idk how much worse the 1030 is but I assume it's at least comparable

[warm perch]

my gf has a 1080 and runs the game fine

[subtle epoch]

remember that 1030 is like a integrated graphics

[dry hollow]

There's integrated graphics that are faster than the 1030 now too

[subtle epoch]

yeah

AMD integrated graphics are so so powerful wtf

[rugged flume]

No...

I dont want to say not even remotely but it's worse

Roughly half the fps of a 1060 on 1080p and a 1060 on 1080p isn't really stellar on GTFO, I had one

I think with everything on low 720p it'll probably run

There's actually even a youtube video that tested the 1030 on GTFO

R7 Release build does about 20-40 FPS on 720p

Looking at the option the guy didnt actually put everything on low

but it's kinda grim

Interestingly enough, there's a video of another test, 1030, 720p, OG R1 build, did a bit better (still less than 50).

I think it'll run very, very badly and perhaps unplayable on specific maps, perhaps lowspecgaming mod would improve it, I dont know.

[bright shard]

Nothing like gtfo demake for the ps1

Sleepers sharper than
Lara crofts glass cutters

[pine void]

Already solved it, but ya that’s what fixed it

[abstract kite]

Guys what CPUs could be good for recommended requirements but are somewhat cheaper than other CPUs that fill out the recommended requirements.

And also if 1 one of my RAM slots stopped working would i have to buy a whole New motherboard or is there just any other way to fix that

[zealous pewter]

gaming laptop 4 life

[rugged flume]

Depends on the "stopped working". It certanly isn't a good sign that the slot itself got fucked up.

[abstract kite]

it did

[rugged flume]

Depends, team AMD or team Intel? Also might want to state a budget and what Sockets your MoBo supports. Ryzen 7 5800x are around 150-180 € more or less. Ryzen 5 5600 around 100. Intels more or less are around the same 12400f is around 120. I wouldn't buy anything lower than Ryzen 5s or i5s, but there's some stuff at around the 80-100 price range.

[rugged flume]

If it boots without one of the RAM sticks that's fine but I'd consider it a sign of the MoBo about to die.

RAM sticks dying themselves happens, but the slot IMHO is very bad.

[abstract kite]

i mean my MoBo is very old

it has 2 ram slots

[rugged flume]

Consider that if you're looking for a new CPU and your MoBo is old, there might be some chances of it being too old even for "old" (sarcasm intended, AM5 came out relatively recently) CPUs like 5000s AMD.

[abstract kite]

i mean my MoBo was origionaly for a Windows 7 at that time

i can even put CD's

[rugged flume]

Might help the know the model but yeah that could very well be older than AM4

which means you'd kinda have to buy a new one if you want a new CPU anyway.

Yeah it is, Windows 7 released around 2009 and AM4 around 2016.

I lost track of Intel's socket names but I dont think that matters.

[abstract kite]

eh all i want its just to make a proper pc build so i dont crash during R8

[bright shard]

i have the 7700x and am very happy with it

[languid tundra]

rate my setup

[torpid elbow]

bro is playing from the complex

[lucid coyote]

do u sit on the umbrella

[languid tundra]

either suspended from the roof, or squatting

[bitter stratus]

Someone help me build around a ryzen 5600

I don't wanna play on 4k just something decent

[fleet canopy]

like 1440p 144hz?

[fleet canopy]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wsb9qR

@bitter stratus Probably needs some edits, but this is pretty good tbf

[bitter stratus]

yeah something like that

[torpid elbow]

wouldn’t recommend getting a new 5600 and am4 platform rn

best bang for buck but realistically you wanna have an easier time upgrading than this

so if you spend 150 more you can get on the am5 platform and actually have upgradability to even future CPUs

aka get a 7600 not a 5600 if ur building new

[north elk]

Was about to ask what wrong with am4 but fair point

[torpid elbow]

nothing is wrong with am4 and if you’re buying used Id say definitely go for it, but buying new I wouldn’t recommend getting on a platform that only upgrades to 5800x3d at most

[north elk]

Yeah

[viscid prism]

Hey guys, I can’t boot my computer anymore. Would anyone be available to hop in a call with me and so I can stream it trough my camera? Or simply write me and help me

Yesterday it was working fine, I tried installing the cob rgb (12v without additional power) to my mb and not it won’t start. I tried disconnecting it and starting the pc, won’t start either

[bright shard]

did you reseat your ram?

[viscid prism]

I got new rams from them already, like a year ago, now i got the same issue… (trident z5 xmp intel - on an amd mb, x670e plus wifi)

I tried also putting only 1 stick in and also on different spots, won’t get my pc started

As long as I heard it correctly, it shouldn’t do any problems when I’m using intel xmp on an amd mb. Because I don’t use docp/xmp…

[viscid prism]

I think my pc doesn’t even post

Ryzen 9 7900x3d
4070ti
X670e-plus WiFi
Trident z5 2x 16 gb

[placid sentinel]

try do a full cmos reset.. otherwise might be that u hooked up 12v into the wrong place, fried something in the mb 😦

[viscid prism]

I did a cmos reset with the battery, is that enough? Didn’t worked 🥲

[placid sentinel]

battery off and do the clr pin thing if u have it

[viscid prism]

Yeah did it already

🥲

[rugged flume]

First time booting up DDR5 does this thing called memory training, which takes awhile and longer depending on how much ram you have installed.

[placid sentinel]

if mb has integrated graphics, try remove gpu and plugin to mb hdmi/displayport directly

[rugged flume]

Not SURE if that's what's happening since from what I've understood you just changed dram sticks.

[viscid prism]

Nah I was using my ram for a year already, out of nowhere this pops up

[placid sentinel]

u said something about hooking up 12v rgb and pow

[viscid prism]

Tried leaving on the pc for 10 minutes

[viscid prism]

Yeah, I did, but removing it didnt work either. I had multiple times issues with the ram. Just 1 day before putting the rgb in too

Im 100% sure i did it correct without any issues, correct voltage and also on the right place, im not sure if this is the actual problem or smth idk tho…

[placid sentinel]

maybe u have a loose 12v elsewhere now, thats why it won't post? dig up the manual and if u have any status leds, check out their message

[viscid prism]

Wdym?

[placid sentinel]

whatever settings u made in bios for dram should be cleared .. u can try holding del when you power up .. del or insert? .. .. one of em anyway

[viscid prism]

What will it do?

[placid sentinel]

check the main power from psu to motherboard, that little extension plug thing, securely bottomed out?

keyboard insert/del is a soft way of doing the pin cmos thing

[viscid prism]

If you want to we can hop in a call in a few hours, I’m still at work. I’m not quite sure what you mean and what you’re on about…

[placid sentinel]

i'm at work but sorry to say, motehrboard manual + led lights or ifu have one, the little number display telling post code.. when u power on the pc, u should get some indication on why no post

maybe u cleared cmos with pin and forgot it in the reset position? .. thats a post killer

[viscid prism]

I only cleared cmos with the battery

[placid sentinel]

this is a beQuiet psu -> mb cable, notice the smaller extension bit

if that got unplugged by accident or something

[viscid prism]

But when i plugged the 12v rgb in (the first time ever) i had the exact same issue like the day before, cmos reset worked fine the day before, so i did it again and now its like now… it doesn’t even post 🥲

[viscid prism]

Ohh no it didnt

Checked all cables already

But good idea, the small one should be in, don’t think it popped out

But yeah I don’t have like an exact error code thing, the x670e plus only has the q led…

[placid sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/1ec46iy/asus_proart_x670e_creator_wifi_yellow_qled/

that could be worth a read, he sticks drams in the furthest slot 1 by 1 and gets a post picture after 3 minutes (per stick), and after that the rams work in any slot

[rugged flume]

"Interestingly, now that all the memory is recognized, subsequent restarts don't take as long, and the machine boots up quickly. "

[placid sentinel]

so its important the drams are fully flashed with content sniffing code before the mb accepts them " 😄 "

[rugged flume]

seems like memory training but done 1 stick at a time lel

[viscid prism]

So should I try putting only 1 ram stick in any slot for each time 3 minutes?

[placid sentinel]

yeh read the arcticle, furthest from the cpu 1 at a time

[viscid prism]

Ohh okay I see, I’ll try that out. I’ll hit you up in a few hours when I’m back home from work…

[viscid prism]

Okay so I just tried it, I put the ram stick in b2 and it doesn’t boot…

The logo from fractal also doesn’t shine as bright as it should be, is it because it can’t get past post?

[viscid prism]

You got any ideas? I’m really out of ideas 😦

[placid sentinel]

try disconnect all the rgb stuff if u can

[viscid prism]

How

It’s the fans that have rgb…

[viscid prism]

But could it be the ram what does this problem? Like compability problems over time with xmp used in amd system… should refund it and get the expo version of it?

Leaving the system for 20 minutes on doesn’t work

Should I boot the system without ram one time and just pray it will fix the problem the next time I plug it in?

@placid sentinel

[placid sentinel]

pc will not boot with 0 ram

try all the ram sticks alone in the slots.. .. could be u touched the wrong pin with 12v and fed 12v where 5v should go

if this is night 3 of fighting with it, save yourself the hassle and just do a warranty swap or something

[viscid prism]

Im 100% sure that I did it in the right pin… 100%

It’s the +12 grb pin I plugged it in

And I got these:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B09Y1GBMG9?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

[placid sentinel]

u know infinitely more about that stuff than me, got my ancient amd that does a bit of light show but never tuned it at all

check the link where the dude was talking about the rams, my google was like mb-model q-led yellow light problem

[viscid prism]

Im not that known to it, you could check for me if it was my vault connection gut to the pc…

Ye of course the pc doesn’t start without ram, but I was hoping for the cpu to get to a point where it checks the ram and hopefully fixes it after on when I plug ram in. I’m just not sure if it will break anything

If you would like to check the link I’ve send to see if this is the right rgb for my 12v rgb header…

It should be correct tho

@placid sentinel 🙂

But thanks for helping me and guiding me through it, means a lot mate 🥲

[placid sentinel]

gotta admit, i understand nothing about that stuff sry 🙂 ..

[rugged flume]

Yeah I never used any RGB either

[rugged flume]

To be completely honest the only advice I can give you (extremely basic, I know) would be to 100% get everything out, reconstruct the build from scratch and see if that works. The lights turning on tells us that at least you very probably dont have a loose connection somewhere, but you could try reseating all the cables and see if that works. I doubt you burned 2 RAM sticks so I'd rather guess that something on the MoBo could have gotten fucked up.

[viscid prism]

The problem with the ram is, that it’s an xmp intel but installed on an expo amd mb… I’ve read that there some issues with the Ryzen 9 7950x3d and the trident z5 (probably the xmp version by them too ) and i got the 9 7900x3d

The cpu just one day decides to just ignore the ram trough an incompatibility…

There multiple people having this issue with a ver very similar build to mine…

I just decided to send back the ram and get a return of money, i purchased the correct ram now, the expo version…

And if it still doesn’t work, I’ll probably send back my mb and cpu together and just get a replacement of it, since i still own 1 year of guarantee.

Might be the easiest solution to it, since it was 4 nights of fighting for that solution…

Some people say a flash of bios helped, increasing voltage of mb etc etc. There’s to many solutions to try around, sadly I don’t have that much time since I have to work and the easiest solution for my cpu would be just to get the ram version it can detect. I remember having same similar issues and also once the exact same before and I did a replacement of my ram which fixed it. But every like a month or two I had a problem with booting my pc cuz of ram… I think since it’s not that compatible it breaks after some time of usement or smth. Because it happend twice now and both of them after more or less 6 months of usement

[viscid prism]

The smaller things where it wouldn’t boot were easy to fix, a simple CMOs reset would help, but now it can’t complete the post, which it always did, or atleast got stuck in a loop of the post, now it doesn’t really get into it. I’m not sure if a rebuild would actually help t.b.h

[viscid prism]

Okay so I got the new ram, still doesn’t work

[safe tusk]

Not considering the price, what would be considered the best 1080p gpu that's NOT overkill for 1080p? I've been eyeing 4070 super but looking at google searches the consensus seems to say it's overkill for 1080p(I don't intend to upgrade from 1080p)

[rugged flume]

Depends also on if you want/need 144fps or Raytracing and how much you hate DLSS/FSR

It's also true that the RTX 5000 series is near-ish to release

[kindred nova]

for 1080p you honestly don’t need more than a 30 series rtx

[merry bay]

"overkill" is completely subjective. You need to know your needs. A stronger GPU still gives more fps at 1080p
Think about a worst case scenario on a heavy game. And keep in mind a bad patch can make it drop even lower. Barely good enough doesn't last long.

[fleet canopy]

If it's something like 1080p 144hz it really doesn't need much yeah

you will def reach that pretty easy peasy with a good enough card at a price that's not so bad

With the modern games it's kind of questionable which it might be depending on optimization but eh

[modern sable]

I just bought the Ryzen 7 5700X3D

Gonna be my last upgrade on the AM4 platform

AM4 is goated

[hard quail]

How does the 3080 do in terms of Frame rates generally @ 1080p?

been thinking of getting one but also wouldn't mind an AMD, I just want something that can give a good FPS but still play at high settings

[merry bay]

you should be more specific on what "good" means for you

there are people out there happy at anything over 30

unlikely to be in that crowd buying 3080's, but your target is still unclear

[torpid elbow]

You will max out graphics settings on most games and still get 100+ FPS

some exceptionally heavy AAA titles will do worse

and most games will do better

Id say most older titles are easily 165+

something like starfield would struggle though

throw in DLSS and you’re looking at over 200 for basically any game though on max settings

tbf its not really a 1080p card

[rugged flume]

The 5000 series is around the corner so I'd wait to see if those are priced decently, even if they aren't, many people will probably sell their 30s and you'd get more of those in the used market (assuming you want to buy used).

[modern sable]

I switched from nVidia to AMD in 2020, nVidia is just too expensive for the performance you are getting.

[hard quail]

I'll kee0 that in mind, I'll probably be keeping my current PC for another year anyways so I got plenty of time to look around

[hard quail]

If I'm being picky I would say 180FPS since my monitor is 240Hz (although I don't really care to play most games that high cuz the difference is negligible)

[hard quail]

True but that's kinda why I was asking, cuz if it's at 1080p that would boost the FPS it's able to give out so I was wondering if that made it worth it at all.

[torpid elbow]

What cpu are you rocking? CPU performance tends to get in the way when you go over 180 fps

[hard quail]

Well I would be doing a full rebuild, not a replacement so I would be getting a new CPU as well. The build I have now is a Ryzen 2700X with a 1660 super

Like I said though I think I'm gonna keep my current PC for another year so I ain't in a rush, I've just been thinking about parts lately so I thought I'd get some insight here

[torpid elbow]

in that case: definitely hold off on buying it. 2024 was not a very big year for GPUs (I guess we had the 7900GRE which is great 1440p high freq/4k basic value). 2025 on the other hand is gonna be different it seems like. both the 50 series from nvidia and the 8000 series from AMD should drop this year. If the 3080 does not dip below 500 I would get a new card honestly. Odds are an 8800xt will go for 550-600 and will outperform a 3080 by a margin

[hard quail]

That sounds awesome actually, haven't been keeping up with the market news so I had no idea they both had new series' planned to release, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!

[maiden epoch]

I loaded up the game and changed my resolution to my native display (6k) and have it set to exclusive fullscreen. The menu didn't stay within the limits and I can no longer access the settings tab to undo it. Is there a launch option I can use to help fix this?

[bright shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/jqsyzs/please_help/

[burnt glacier]

how intensive is this game for CPU usage

[placid sentinel]

doesn't take much to run this game

[gritty remnant]

Would a INNO3D GeForce RTX 3060 Twin X2 8GB be good for recommended requirements?

[fleet canopy]

yeah a 3060 should be good for pretty much everything

may have to set lower graphics for 1440p perhaps but otherwise yeah it is pretty good for anything

[rapid dirge]

3060 definitely works well enough
i run on a 3060 mobile and everything is stable 100fps+ (except very recently i've been having mild stutter isssues)

[gritty remnant]

Ty

[gritty remnant]

Ty

Tho what about GIGABYTE graphics card GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC LHR (3x DisplayPort/1x HDMI)

[fleet canopy]

The only thing that the brands matter for much is just a brand name and whether as a brand they're trustworthy, gigabyte should be fine as I have gotten two cards from them that are fine, never heard of inno3d

[gritty remnant]

But should be 1 fine?

[fleet canopy]

wdym

[rugged flume]

As always those things depend on what resolution you play and how many FPS you want

for 60 fps, that card can very probably handle 1440p GTFO without issue (save for horribly optimized levels like R7D1).

[gritty remnant]

Like only 1 card like that

Not 2

[gritty remnant]

Ty

[rugged flume]

Makroo meant having had two Gigabyte-branded card and never had an issue

AFAIK Inno3d's pretty trustworthy

[fleet canopy]

yeah for inno this might be the first time I heard of em, I have no idea what they are like

[rugged flume]

To be honest only bad tier-1 (or whatever you call brands that work ONLY with Nvidia) that are usually avoided are Manlis or the lower bottom tier MSIs

But even then I think it's just a question of numbers

[late echo]

I recently discovered this document. It is an unclassified WW2-Era CIA-issued 'Simple Sabotage' Manual. The assumption is that, in case of a partial US invasion, this could be distributed to citizens and then burned before they were invaded, for the sake of being cunts to whoever invaded us.

It's going in this chat because general chat doesn't include links.

It includes such gems as:
-"Fires can be started wherever there Is an accumulatlon of inflammable material. Warehouses are obviously the most promising targets but Incendiary sabotage need not be confined to them alone."
-"You can cause wear on any machine by uncovering a filter system, poking a pencil or any other sharp object through the filter mesh, then covering it up again."
-"Water, urine, wine, or any other simple liquid you can get in reasonably large quantities will dilute gasoline fuel to a point where no combustion will occur in the cylinder and the engine will not move."
-"Make "speeches." Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your points by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences. Never hesitate to make a few appropriate patriotic comments."
-"Cry and sob hysterically at every occasion, especially when confronted by government clerks."

[fleet canopy]

This is the pc build help and tech talk

[north elk]

Bro if I wanted to learn about sabotage I'd look at my romantic history

Ez

[quick imp]

[burnt glacier]

im just starting on a new pc

i played this game a bunch

as far as i can tell everything looks good

EXCEPT that the voice commands

Scout
Big Guy Here
Pick up your Deployables

etc

is not a toggle menu for me

i have to keep it held

and whenever i hit the 1 button to instruct bots to place down things

the menu closes immediately

any suggestions?

i can navigate the rest of the menu just fine (using both number keys and scroll/middle mouse)

but anytime i hit the "Deploying Tools" suboption it shuts menu immediately

been scouring the settings

foudn it

THANK YOU ALL for being my rubber ducky

[severe parcel]

#1049599987878723635

[keen wigeon]

Can anyone explaIn to me why my NVME ssd is only downloading at 19mb/s for a steam game

[merry bay]

it's unpacking/decompressing. could be cpu reasons, could be hundreds/thousands of smaller files at that time. there's more going on than just sending files
SSD does the green progress bar, internet does the blue one

[keen wigeon]

I feel like 16mb/s is ridiculously slow. And my cpu isn't maxing

[merry bay]

try changing steam download servers in settings

[keen wigeon]

It works fine for smaller 3gb games but installing anything like GTFO throttles me

[fleet canopy]

Dunno what your cpu would be but yeah compression/uncompression is all cpu so it may not be quite sufficient idk

[keen wigeon]

i7 12700H

A laptop cpu

And it was settling at like sub 25% usage at about 2ghz

[fleet canopy]

So amazing

Biggest improvement since last year

[keen wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-pesci-what-the-fuck-wtf-wtf-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-this-gif-24937450

This some bs joke

[rugged flume]

Nvidia's CEO needs another jacket to his jacket collection.

[keen wigeon]

One made of iguana leather this time

[rugged flume]

This could all be salvageable if they bumped up the VRAM of those

like 5080 finally having 24 thus not forcing you to get a 5090 if you wanted more VRAM

[keen wigeon]

Yeah but alas it still only has 16gb

Which is honestly garbage for 1000$ bade price

[rugged flume]

Like, the gap is about double, 16 to 32 from 5080 to 5090. It's such obviously done to maximize on the AI bubble that it's painful.

[keen wigeon]

Honestly yeah. Only hope I have for 5000s is the 5070Super having 16gb vram at about 750$

[rugged flume]

It's like that ancient meme with storage being avaible in 1 Gigabyte, 2 Gigabytes or 1 Terabyte.

[keen wigeon]

I hope it's better than last Gen's 4070 ti s

[keen wigeon]

Apple be like

[rugged flume]

My brain keeps reading "Thai Super" and imagining an Angry Thai superman for some reason.

[keen wigeon]

I mean I would be too looking at 5000s rn

5080 was meant to beat the 4090 but it hardly beats the 4080 super

[rugged flume]

I dont know to be honest, if most AI stuff wasn't optimized for CUDA, I'd seriously consider AMD by now.

At least I'd have the VRAM to do both games and AI.

[keen wigeon]

Yeah cuz 900£ like rx 7900xtx give excellent gaming performace with 24gb vram

The 5080 is so disappointing that a shunt modded 3090 or 3090ti feels like a better option

[rugged flume]

Mayben Jensen will resume 3090s production like he did during covid with 1060s (or was it 1660s? 2060? Cant remember).

Slap a price cut on it and call it a day

I still remember when the price gouging was assumed to be because of covid or cryptos, but we still have those insane prices for no reason.

[keen wigeon]

Dunno who jensen is but for me, a refurbed 3090 ti is about 900-1000£ though ofc I'd have to check the state of it and see if it was an abused mining card

[rugged flume]

Jensen Huang's Nvidia CEO

also something like the cousin of the AMD Lisa Su.

[rugged flume]

Yeah, nah, the problem of buying used 3090 is exactly that

Too much chances they were in some bitcoin/ethereum farm somewhere

The only hope is some guy that always "needs" to have cutting edge wanting to jump from 3090 to 5090 and maybe he only used the 3090 for gaming.

But good luck knowing that much about someone who sells a GPU on ebay or whatever.

[signal jackal]

Mining GPUs aren’t always terrible, often times they are undervolted to save on power costs. Plus I think the GPU doesn’t get utilized as much as the memory, but I could be wrong and this could be outdated info.

[dry hollow]

The ram gets maxed out the entire time which could cause potential problems down the line

[zealous siren]

Hi All, I have been having Desync issues when hosting and would like help diagnosing - I feel really bad with the time sink of other players and having issues. Bad connection happens for other players only during big fights with lots of enemies so I suspect its something on my system.

• I have FTTP 910mb internet so connection is as good as it gets for me.
• I did have a 4770k which i thought was the culprit but however just upgraded to 9800X3D system. Still running a 1080Ti awaiting new GPU
• First major test since new system yesterday - R5D2 - everything was going peachy untill the first reactor wave and Desync caused a wipe. We tried a different host - they also had issues. Could this be a Tuesday thing as Choas guessed? (some posts about this on discord but never known about this before)

Is there anything anyone can recommend I check or any settings on my end I should make sure?

[rugged flume]

There's a couple of things but if it makes you feel better, usually reactors do make desync experience worse

Let me see if I can fetch the post in technical help for it

#1335372655150501988 message

Try with opening those ports and avoiding VPN if you (or the other players) have it

[zealous siren]

thanks buddy i will give this a look

[zealous siren]

made 0 difference xD
i dont think it was that anyway as i have UPNP active. have no issues when connected to others.

[dry hollow]

Is everyone playing in the same country? I wonder if it's a ping issue

[zealous siren]

went down a rabbit hole found this steam page troubleshooting connectivity and changed just about all firewall settings i can find. Notably i only added Ipv4 port forwarding before, now i have added Ipv6. (this wasnt a different setting on previous router). Further Testing required.

Incase it helps anyone
Steam Network troubleshooting guide https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/669A-2F68-D1D1-A5EC
Required Ports for Steam (Most important one is P2P section) https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/2EA8-4D75-DA21-31EB

[fierce magnet]

Miss the times when high end gpu's where at a good price.

[zealous siren]

nice build 🙂

[fierce magnet]

Old one from 2006

[severe parcel]

The PC pic, pfp and profile banner tells me everything about you (in a good way)

[fierce magnet]

2006.I miss the cool cases from that era.

[outer siren]

Wimd turbine

[bright shard]

my case looks like a giant black monolith and its great.
i can sleep without seeing motherboard RGB from the corner of my eye

[north elk]

Hear me out

You can also turn off your PC while sleeping

Unless you live in the middle of nowhere and need to download games during the night

[fleet canopy]

hell no?

[north elk]

electricity ain't free

[fleet canopy]

A small price to pay

[bright shard]

some motherboards LEDs are active when off. its dumb and up to the manufacturer.

[north elk]

Most mobos have a setting for that in BIOS tbf

Those who don't are, indeed, very dumb

[outer siren]

Perfect distance between eye sockets and TV😭🙏

[cosmic marsh]

Help my brothers pc just does not want to boot up

Things I tried:

1. Switch ram.
2. Unplug everything and back in.

Can't put monitor to motherboard cause his mobo does not have a monitor slot. (I know weird)

[clever pilot]

have you tried using another drive? might be issues with booting windows

[cosmic marsh]

I dont have an extra ssd

[clever pilot]

You calso Boot using a USB drive

[fierce magnet]

If see no error code then the windows is prob corrupt.(Error on Motherboard)

[cosmic marsh]

: (

[bright shard]

Depending on the motherboard, I'd try to reflash the bios with a usb stick

With bios flashback, but if you don't have the feature, then, whatever.

If you want to get into the bios, definitely try pressing the keys as soon as possible after pressing the power button

[rapid dirge]

are the memoryleak issues in gtfo a ram or vram problem

[rugged flume]

memory leaks happen when memory isn't cycled properly and it just pyles on

So its an issue of the program and not of the hardware no matter what

but in theory, more RAM would mean it crashes later

without counting if there's certain parameters windows or whatnot has to prevent a program from flooding and just crashes it after X Gigabytes

[rapid dirge]

yeah im aware it is a software issue

im asking whether the memory that isn't being cycled properly and stacks up is ram or vram

[rugged flume]

From my uneducated knowledge it's system memory so RAM

[rapid dirge]

alright

[outer siren]

from the one time ive heard of it its tied to ram, though small sample size so

[north elk]

This is the first time I've heard of VRAM leaks

And while I can now see how one could leak VRAM, that is absolutely horrifying to think about

[outer siren]

didnt even know gtfo had a memory leak issue

[placid sentinel]

any big level after 2 hours of gameplay, you're bound to notice

not sure if it's a memory "leak" or just sub-optimal garbage collection (some might call it the same thing but anyway)

[north elk]

not calling it a memory leak is copium only some of my boldest coworkers would dare use

[bright shard]

20gb vram and 32gb ram moment.

[outer siren]

hey that suspiciously sounds like my setup

[bright shard]

i had hoped to get my monitor (4k240) before GTFO had finished, but oh well.

[outer siren]

Didnt gtfo finish a while ago?

[bright shard]

im talking past tense yeah.

[torpid elbow]

honestly my game starts at 5GB vram and ends at 18GB so yeah there is a vram leak issue somewhere

[vivid sandal]

general question for yall on my first pc build

im looking at motherboards and i dont see much diff in these 2 options other then the clean white pricing vs the pure black

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-b650-edge-wifi-atx-amd-b650-am5/p/13-144-555?Item=13-144-555&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-atx-amd-b650-am5/p/13-144-557?Item=13-144-557&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

im going to be using the hype y 70 case and maybe seeing about the Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2 - 4K60 HDR10 for direct connection and dont know if it will fit

im only looking at max resolution of 1440

[outer siren]

white one supports higher memory clocks

and higher memory in general

[fleet canopy]

yeah that's really about it

the tomahawk has a max of up to 6600MHz and 128GB, whereas the white is up to 7800MHz and up to 192GB

[outer siren]

id pick the black one but also just depends if ur gonna use the higher RAM qualifications

[vivid sandal]

i mean if if im using a ryzen 7800 and 64gb ram its not gonna make much of a diff right?

[outer siren]

whats the speed on ur ram?

[vivid sandal]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820374473?Item=N82E16820374473

i got recommended this

[fleet canopy]

it'll be fine

[outer siren]

yea id pick black one to save a few bucks, is there a specific reason for 64 GB though?

[vivid sandal]

minor amount of video editing and muli screen use while gaming

[outer siren]

fair enough

and future proofing

if you had a tight budget/could get a better GPU with skimping on the RAM (to 32GB) id consider it at least, but 64GB will also last longer than 32GB

[vivid sandal]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rx6600-cld-8g-amd-radeon-rx-6600-8gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814930066?Item=N82E16814930066

this is one i was looking at so far

[outer siren]

id put more into the GPU if i was you

hard to recommend a 8GB vram GPU for a 64GB memory system

[fleet canopy]

Well if gaming isn't exactly too much of a concern that's fine I suppose

[vivid sandal]

im looking around mid grade and im not super sure what i need as this is first build

id prefer to go amd

right now im only working with a ryzen 5 3600 and a radeon rx 580

so pretty much anything would be better

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r77xtgaming-oc-12gd-amd-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814932654?Item=N82E16814932654

what about this

[outer siren]

its quite the upgrade, how much gaming verse editing would you do?

[vivid sandal]

mostly gaming

i do mostly shit posting just to remember how to use the software

[outer siren]

i think it might be better to go with the RX 7700, you could also look for used hardware but if it sounds too good to be true/you cant test it you should be cautious

and id prolly scale down the ram

but also depends on your finances, i wouldnt prioritize the upgrade over majority of other stuff

[vivid sandal]

https://newegg.io/98659b6

after the info here is my build so far

i already have the power supply and a friend gave me a 3tb HDD

[outer siren]

id prolly chose a worse CPU and put more money towards the GPU, i think the case also is a bit much unless youd really want a vertical GPU mount

[outer siren]

whys there a 4TB samsung SSD in here then lol

and i dont think youd need more than 1TB on a NVME SSD

[vivid sandal]

main pc storage is the 2tb SSD, the HDD is for game storage and art projectes

[outer siren]

the rest looks ok, if youre gonna scale down the CPU then also might be worth to consider getting a cheaper cooler

[outer siren]

id say the system and games should be on a SSD and the rest on HDD

[vivid sandal]

i was thinking air cool but it looks like aio is becoming more standard

BEEG games

[outer siren]

yesnt, since everything thats amazing requires AIOs aircoolers arent showing much in youtube and stuff like that

[vivid sandal]

BG3, elden ring, souls, and such

im also trying to get the rip of bloodborne for pc on to here

[outer siren]

if youd take the games that you play regularly and add their storage requirements + 128GB that should be minimum for an NVME SSD essentially

[vivid sandal]

also because of the elgato add on

[outer siren]

cant see it in newegg

[vivid sandal]

it wont show a way to add it to the build for some reason

https://www.newegg.com/elgato-game-capture-4k60-pro-pci-express-x4/p/N82E16815131045'

hold up

why is the ryzen 9 9900x cheaper then the ryzen 7 7800

[outer siren]

https://newegg.io/60b1d06 heres what i picked out, cheaper than the first one but also lower in storage (cuz it takes a while to fill up 4TB HDD and the 2TB NVME in this list) but also cheaper due to the CPU and cooler

and also case is cheaper

[rugged flume]

sure you arent looking at a x3d?

[outer siren]

might need someone else to look at it though, been a while since i was hunting

[rugged flume]

amd has nothing, x and x3d

[rugged flume]

yeah

that's an x3d

it has a fuckton of cache

[outer siren]

(good for games when its working properly)

[rugged flume]

Well, yes

[fleet canopy]

Close enough to 500$ that you could see for a 7800/XT instead maybe

[outer siren]

cheapest in stock is $759.99

[fleet canopy]

well ebay

maybe I could be wrong tho

[outer siren]

i just went for newegg cuz thats what they sent

[fleet canopy]

yeah fair enough

[rugged flume]

Not going to lie, buying a GPU now is perhaps a pain in the ass due to the recent paper launch by Nvidia and the not-so-paper-launch by AMD

In the US I heard it's not as grim as Europe

[fleet canopy]

Mm

[outer siren]

sweden didnt get a single 5090 iirc

[fleet canopy]

5080 for 2k USD

[outer siren]

like

[fleet canopy]

almost first result

[outer siren]

the ENTIRE SWEDEN

[fleet canopy]

5090 forrrrr

4,829$ USD

And just for the 5090

no whole PC

[rugged flume]

I'm more angry at 5080 being 16Gb instead of 24

But that too

[fleet canopy]

9070 XT for 1k

[rugged flume]

Heck, it made 4070 disappear

[outer siren]

NVIDIA moment

[fleet canopy]

1000 to 1300$USD

[outer siren]

(as much as i bought my 7900 xtx for)

[vivid sandal]

i want to get the big parts right now cause in the next few months there is going to be a major issue in getting them cause of the way the US is dealing with its trade partners

[outer siren]

makroo could you just check so im not smoking crack with this one?

[vivid sandal]

since the 9900 is cheaper would it be just as good to use that instead, im not to concerned about bottle necking as like i said im looking at max frames of 1440p

[fleet canopy]

so for 1600USD, a 7700X, a 7700 XT, and a 2TB SSD mmmm

not that bad I guess considering right now

Win 11 you could realistically find it cheap

def should not be a 140$ item lmaoo

[outer siren]

you should lean more towards GPU rather than CPU for 1440P if im gonna be honest, its gonna be a struggle getting high FPS with 8GB vram on 1440P

[fleet canopy]

^

[outer siren]

might be worth considering a 1 TB SSD and storing some games on the HDD

[vivid sandal]

windows 11 is more just for refrence since i have a friend who can help with that, im looking at much cheaper

[fleet canopy]

1000 watts is kinda big

you should be able to get a 850w for like 140$ or less idk

[vivid sandal]

that i got for free

[fleet canopy]

oh ok so no price on that

[vivid sandal]

yup

[fleet canopy]

Everything else im assuming you're buying tho?

so 340$ not a part of the build here I guess

not much I can really say for a change I suppose

[outer siren]

(windows and PSU)^

[fleet canopy]

like maybe change the cooler is all I can say?

[outer siren]

yea icl i just googled one that was good for the cooler

[fleet canopy]

Certainly has been some cheap options that come out in the previous years that do really well

[outer siren]

could prolly get away with something cheaper

[fleet canopy]

I remember Dark Rock made a cooler that was fairly good, almost or as good as the drp 4 for a nicer price

bequiet***

[vivid sandal]

https://newegg.io/c4e9be3

updated list

[fleet canopy]

truly

[outer siren]

icl im still not sold on the 4TB SSD or the case for this list

[fleet canopy]

so ig it's changed to a 9900X

[vivid sandal]

and new graphics

[outer siren]

hard to justify the CPU

[fleet canopy]

I mean if you really need a CPU like that then I guess maybe?

[vivid sandal]

it was just cheaper then the 7800

[outer siren]

the 7800 is probably better for gaming, but both are a bit more than youd need id say

[fleet canopy]

any x3d chip far as im concerned is much better than top of the line usually

lemme check a vid

[outer siren]

except for 5800x3d i believe though i might be wrong

[outer siren]

i retract my statement

anyways i prolly wouldnt take either the 7800x3d or the 9900

[outer siren]

lower is better im assuming?

[fleet canopy]

(stellaris simulation time)

yea

for this one at least since it's a different thing

[vivid sandal]

im guessing those are cpu temps

[outer siren]

nop

[fleet canopy]

These are gaming performances

[outer siren]

its just a messurment of how good smth is

[vivid sandal]

ah

where do you find that

[outer siren]

gamersnexus?

[fleet canopy]

All the X3D stuff is already still way better than the non x3d stuff or even intel lol

and yeah this is a gamers nexus vid

9950X3D vid has every one of the CPUs far as im aware

blender time

[vivid sandal]

so stay with the 7800

[outer siren]

better GPU is probably gonna be something to prioritize

[fleet canopy]

chromium code compile

this isprob just kind of a specific thing tho so maybe not much to concern yourself over

File compression

Decompression

adobe premiere

[vivid sandal]

https://newegg.io/7e400cb

ok so based on what you said i changed up the case, cooler, ram, {motherboard again am not sure on as a compairsion betwen the 2)

[fleet canopy]

Motherboard is fine, we did say the only real difference is just ram speed limit and maximum amount of RAM you could have on it

Not too much of a reason to go above 128GB anyway

[vivid sandal]

i mean i used a diffrent one on this build after seeing on the size of the case

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r78xtgaming-oc-16gd-amd-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814932657?Item=9SIA4REK8R0687

otherwise i have this as an option on the gpu

[fleet canopy]

So you do want to keep that case specifically then?

[vivid sandal]

i like either they hype y60 or the thermal take as its gonna go on my desk this time instead of under it

[fleet canopy]

You can fit the 7800 XT into the thermal take one

Just can't have a radiator on the right side

well looking at the images I don't know what the right is

[vivid sandal]

would that mean i need to use a new radiator on it or hook it up to a cooler

[fleet canopy]

Honestly I'm not sure

I am not sure what is with the y60 from customer images lol

[vivid sandal]

most call it the fish tank case and can handle BEEG parts

it comes with optional vertical mounting but i think that limits cooling depending on how big the card is

[fleet canopy]

mm idk

Vertical mounting seems pretty decent of a move

the side has venting so you could still keep it cool enough anyway

[vivid sandal]

good

[fleet canopy]

ok so they have the board set up so the default card placement will always blow out the side

[vivid sandal]

on the thermaltake or the hype

[fleet canopy]

thermaltake

I figure that's what you want anyway

[vivid sandal]

that and ascetics

[fleet canopy]

https://youtu.be/cQhSOb7Jyvg?si=f9qgx1JlTZwBfkyC&t=514

Here the guy is putting basically an equal enough length of the card into the PC case fine

It's like 4mm less than the 7800XT but it looks like there's still possible room lol

[vivid sandal]

ohhhh

so in theory it should fit

[fleet canopy]

yeah I would guess so

[vivid sandal]

im mean if i change to a 7800xt it wouldnt break the bank so thats what im doing now

[fleet canopy]

Yeah it'll be nice to have the extra performance out of it at the very least, especially when you are aiming for 1440p

[vivid sandal]

I'm looking to peak at 1440 on my fav games
Mostly I'm looking to upgrade soon before big price jumps cause of the US market

[vivid sandal]

Only real concern is when I choose the case I wanted to put in the elgato capture card but I don't think it has enough space

[vivid sandal]

ok so i got my motherboard, cpu, SSD, and AIO
only thing now is gpu and case
since its first time build im going with the hype y 60 but i am waiting till the gpu i want is on sale

the GIGABYTE Radeon RX 7800 XT GAMING OC 16G Graphics Card as the one i want but its out of stock
how much of a diffrence would it be for the 7800 vs the 7700

[fleet canopy]

about 25% better I'd guess

[bright shard]

i personally wouldnt take a 7700/xt

[vivid sandal]

update on the pc build

i have everything exept the case and gpu, they are both on order and as soon as i get them i will do the build

[vivid sandal]

https://newegg.io/e17ffd7

here is the current build, only thing that i am seeing is that it says some of the stuff isnt compatable but im actually wondering if thats true

i think its the AIO but couldnt i use a mounting bracket to have it sit proper

the cooler says it fits am5 sockets so im confused

[outer siren]

@vivid sandal everything should fit in the case, I can’t find smth that wouldn’t fit

What does it say specifically?

[vivid sandal]

the aio motherboard and cpu dont mesh

the error goes away when i took off the cooler

there is a slightly different variant on the cooler that is supposed to work but when i checked them side by side i couldnt find a diffrence in the specs

[outer siren]

Shouldn’t be an issue then, maybe it’s just Newegg being weird

[vivid sandal]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-aio-nautilus-series-radiator-size-396-mm-intel-lga-1851-1700-amd-am5-am4/p/N82E16835181478?Item=N82E16835181478
https://www.newegg.com/p/0EZ-00MD-00003?Item=0EZ-00MD-00003

these are the 2 that im compairing but i don see what the diff is

[outer siren]

The difference is that one comes with a ”Corsair hub” (controls RGB for Corsair products) whilst the other one doesn’t and uses motherboard connectors to do rgb stuff

[vivid sandal]

oh so it just is getting mad about the rgb lighting

[outer siren]

Prolly

[vivid sandal]

is there a way around that

[outer siren]

As in with the Newegg ”error” or controlling the rgb?

You’d plug the rgb into a rgb header on the mobo, I’ll send a pic but you’ll be able to read on the mobo if you have decent ish eyesight or glasses

Here’s one near top right, they’ll usually have the title ”rgb” on them

There’s two different types of rgb headers and I don’t know which your aio uses but your mobo has both, when you have your AIO you could look at the connector and see if it can fit three or four pins to see which it is

[vivid sandal]

and im guessing i just need to use some software to make the rgb do what i want

[outer siren]

Im not too experienced in the rgb stuff but yea i think you’d want corsair icue

[vivid sandal]

to be fair im not to concerned about rgb, i guess the saphire 7800xt also has some rgb as well

but that does make me feel a lot less stupid

[outer siren]

Yea, I have my pc facing the underside of my bed so I don’t see the ones I have, I’m more of a performance over rgb

[outer siren]

Lol, pcs do that

[vivid sandal]

first time builder so minor panic on every little thing as i have a tendency to break things

ironic concidering my job is to fix things

[outer siren]

🥸

You’ll be fine

There’s only one part where you could realistically screw up that bad, remember that when installing stuff it should slot in, don’t force it to fit

And it’s when installing a certain part which prolly would cost you 180 usd (or free if the manufacturer is chill with warranty stuff)

[vivid sandal]

[outer siren]

It’s gonna be fine

I don’t have steady hands and I haven’t broken anything when installing

Just line everything up and it should slot in

[vivid sandal]

i will do the thing

[quartz cliff]

Just remember to watch out for static

[vivid sandal]

only non carpeted place is on my desk or more likely im going to be using the home gym foam pads after sanitizing

[fleet canopy]

The only thing you really have to push in is the RAM and the GPU

Just be sure you have the GPU set up and lined up right, and that the RAM is being installed correctly

[outer siren]

CPU was what I was thinking about but sure

[honest veldt]

Fwiw to you I had literally zero nonstatic conductive spots the first time I built a PC so I sat on the cardboard box that came with the case and assembled it on the cardboard box that came with the monitor. They also sell anti static bracelets for $5 if you don't want to do that lmao.

[outer siren]

(I swapped out a part in my pc on my bed whilst I was standing on a carpet😭)

[honest veldt]

I know a guy who fried 3 1080tis a couple years back with static

When they were like, actually cool cards and SLI was a thing

Good times

[fleet canopy]

Crazy

[vivid sandal]

the pc build is complete and i just tried playing some stuff to see how things run, everything is fantastic

thanks for the help

[warm perch]

-$10000

[dreamy elbow]

Still working on this on my PC, but what do y'all think of the song so far

[sour veldt]

Whole screen went black then normal after about 10s

Idk what's going on, even the windows system didn't report any errors

[outer siren]

#1049599987878723635

[sour veldt]

How do I make a thread

[outer siren]

But idk GTFO also for me has some weird thingies for me too

[outer siren]

The plus symbol

[sour veldt]

This is the first bug I had seen in like 18 hrs of gameplay

[sour veldt]

ok

[placid sentinel]

@odd portal hihihi ^

[lean eagle]

Windows os?

[rugged flume]

As already said, that's just liquid bug

[outer siren]

Took me like 50 hours to experience sound bug for the first time

[sour veldt]

Win 10 yes

[sour veldt]

What is a liquid bug tho explain

[rugged flume]

The game has a liquid effect whenever you kill an enemy that is the "blood/liquid" dripping on the mask. Sometimes for relatively unknown reasons this effect glitches and appears to be usually a dark stain expanding and covering most of the field of view. Sometimes it's a purple stain. No real known cause and there ain't anything you can do to fix it aside from rejoining the lobby. USUALLY it goes away by itself after like 5 minutes, faster if you open the map multiple times.

Reportedly, it's somewhat rare. I think I had it like 8 times or something like that in 2k hours of gameplay.

[lean eagle]

windows just does that with a bunch of stuff

[outer siren]

i swear its a game bug not a windows bug?

[rugged flume]

it's liquid bug

nothing to do with windows

[lean eagle]

Window does this to multiple games(the screan going black for no reson) i haven't had it since i started useing linux.

[outer siren]

Thing is you can see the HUD on the screen so it’s game related not windows (and well known that it’s the game)

[lean eagle]

Oh if you see the hud it's not windows

[north elk]

(cause you cannot run the game)

[rugged flume]

... I wont say anything more.

[outer siren]

(you kinda can)

[lean eagle]

Idk man i seam to be able to play the game just fine on linux so idk

[bright shard]

i had the liquid bug in linux once in my time of using it.

(like 500 hours)

[quartz cliff]

It's hardware related afaik

So the software/bios/platform shouldn't have anything to do with it

(either way, if you're on linux/mac you're using emulation to play gtfo)

[outer siren]

Is proton also emulation?

[quartz cliff]

I haven't seen anyone play on proton before so I genuinely wouldn't know

[outer siren]

Aight

[bright shard]

Wine is not emulation

[outer siren]

Did they change it from last time I was on Linux?

[bright shard]

Change what specifically

Wine/proton are in constant development

As well as Mesa stuff

[outer siren]

I thought proton was the adaptation so most games could run on Linux

Idk I’ve only used Linux for 30 mins

[bright shard]

Proton is just steams fork of wine, yes.

[outer siren]

Oh ok

[ivory notch]

hey is getting a 9 over a 7 better for gaming? im looking to build a PC and when I look at recommended CPUs for gaming the majority of CPUs are AMD or Intel 7s but I know 9s are considered stronger right?

[outer siren]

It’s more than just that, it depends which generation. I’d pick an AM5 CPU as AMD will support the platform for a while so you can upgrade in the future

[ivory notch]

ok i see what youre saying. AM5 CPU have options for 7s and 9s though. are 9s better than 7 for gaming or? cause I see lots of 7s as reccomended but i cant tell if thats for the good price for gaming or if its like the strongest CPU. cause I have a 3090 and it recommends an AMD 9 for it but google says that a lot of 7 series are the best

I guess my question is if you can aford it will a 9 beat a 7 for gaming or is it better to get something built for gaming even if its a 7

[rugged flume]

x3d cpus have more cache which helps with game load times

but to be honest it's kinda pointless IMHO

[ivory notch]

pointless like it doesnt make a whole lot of difference?

[rugged flume]

you can see tests online yourself

[outer siren]

It does but you shouldn’t worry about it, it’s enthusiast grade and realistically only high level pcs should have it

[outer siren]

And fps no?

[outer siren]

Ok so id say R7 9700X, if you wanna spend more than that I would go for R7 7800X3D. Both will last for a long time and the 3D is better than the 9700X (3D has the best price to performance in its performance range and the 9700X is also the best in price to performance)

Also depends if ur gonna do more than gaming but I assume ur gonna be gaming

[bright shard]

i have a 7700x and frankly, unless you're shooting for the top, i don't think it matters a whole ton.

[rugged flume]

Yes but it kinda depends on the game, considering from what I've seen the price is nearly the double, I dont think it's worth it.

Then again GPU market has become so bad you've a chasm between the 1200 range and whatever the 4090-5090 goes for.

[outer siren]

Yea

[lean eagle]

Guys im planing on playing minecraft at max renderdistance, what should my pc specs be?

[outer siren]

Google superpc

[lean eagle]

Oh, google stadia is a good idea👍

[clever pilot]

One of the Reactor Terminals

[outer siren]

if yall have 100% 2.4 GHz keyboard for gaming recommendations send me a dm

for like 200 usd

[clever pilot]

Fuck Bluetooth. Get yourself a 2.4Hz or better instead

[outer siren]

oh yea meant 2.4 GHz lol

[fleet canopy]

I think it'd be weird to have a blue tooth

[outer siren]

most 2.4 GHz have bluetooth

[lean eagle]

🤓

[outer siren]

@severe parcel

[severe parcel]

Looks tasty

[outer siren]

Yummi

[vestal mason]

Just want to gush about my baby nearing genesis.

[shy meteor]

Intel user detected

Launching nuclear missle

[outer siren]

Can’t see gpu

[clever pilot]

Integrated GPU gaming

[severe parcel]

Seeing how fast integrated GPUs are getting better and better we aren't far from actual gaming in that.

[lean eagle]

Nah bro game are getting more expensive to run cause of lazy devs, i don't think itegrated gpu's will get there unless they gust becom gpus that hapen to be integrated

[gritty remnant]

True, games rarely get an actual good optimization that would get them more sales

Most games just try to make games super Ultra realistic that makes an average Gpu wanna explode due to not having proper optimizations

[fleet canopy]

I mean they aren't exactly made to run the games of today tbf (granted most of the games are of course unoptimized as fuck)

but surely it could run semi modern games relatively well no problem

[dry hollow]

They can run modern esports pretty well and some indie games but that's mostly it

[bitter viper]

so 2 of my friends can join anyones lobby except themselves
any way to fix this? reinstalled game didnt work they say

and when they join someones lobby, they cant see each other their loadout OR just nothing

[lean eagle]

Try turning your internet off and on again

[sinful jackal]

The gpu is like the appendix of the pc you can just throw it away that should help

[tepid bobcat]

Can you shave a little bit of the heat sink off?

Context. I’m doing a small build and the cables connecting the front usb’s to the motherboard is blocking the gpu by like 1/10 of a millimeter.

[merry bay]

what kind of heatsink? if you don't damage heat pipes it should be fine

[outer siren]

^ from how you describe it it should be negligible, make sure to be able to mount the fans still

[bright shard]

as long as you dont touch the heat pipes, should be fine.

[tepid bobcat]

Its the base heat sink of RX6400 low profile

It overhangs the actual gpu by like an inch

This is the part i plan on shaving

[pastel tide]

@outer siren Whats like the minimum Processor and GPU spec of getting consistent 60 FPS with 16GB RAM?

[outer siren]

uhhh tbh idk

@rugged flume dont u know this?

or was it @quartz cliff

[quartz cliff]

I don't think anyone would know for sure honestly
I think the recommended system requirements should be enough for that?

[fleet canopy]

It should certainly be easy to do 1080p 60fps anyway

[rugged flume]

Kinda hard to say but it depends a lot on the resolution and the details too. Keep in mind that some vanilla maps nuke your FPS anyway.

I'd say CPU-wise anything Ryzen+/Ryzen 2 or Intel equivalent should do the job for 1080p, GPU-wise I think a 2060 should be enough for 60fps.

Assuming all on high/maxed out 1080p.

If you drop the details down to low reaching 60 fps becomes way easier.

Reading in general now, your laptop has (should have) a 3050 and that should IMHO be fine for relatively stable 60 fps on medium maybe even high.

The Acer Aspire 5 A515 I'm pretty sure has Intel UHD and I wouldn't really trust that to run GTFO.

To be fair you can just try, drop down everything to low 720p for the Aspire, if the FPS is unplayable (read, less than 60) even when there's no alarm in R1A1 (or just in Tutorial, really) refund on Steam ASAP.

[pastel tide]

Thanks for the info

[quartz cliff]

thx sleepo

[pastel tide]

Follow up on this info me and my brother have bought the game and have played a few times finished Tutorial and R1A1 and i have to admit the Waves coming from the alarm doors dont make his FPS drop as much, he can run Low for a consistent 80 - 90 fps but he can move to medium for a consistent 50 - 60 fps, he plays on medium same as me and aren't having any problems yet thanks yall (took us 6 hours to beat both 💀)

[outer siren]

6 hours? Was yall with bots or only you two?

[pastel tide]

Only us 2

[outer siren]

I’d suggest adding bots/playing with 2 more people

[rapid dirge]

naw let the duo cook

[gritty remnant]

Do they know?

[severe parcel]

My laptop started to have a weird buzzing sound only when under load, it's not loud at all but it's loud enough to notice.

Any ideas why?

I already looked on the internet but I just end up more confused :b

[outer siren]

does it sound like a fan hitting something?

further more could you control the fans?

[severe parcel]

Nope
The fans are working fine and the temperature of the laptop its normal

[outer siren]

huh

[rugged flume]

Google "coil whine" and see if it's that.

[severe parcel]

Yep sounds exactly like that

It didn't do it before

So eh

Is it bad or something?

[rugged flume]

never had it myself (or maybe I did but closed case made it so much a non-issue I never noticed)

[rugged flume]

I'll be sincere with you I've no idea, but if I were to gamble I'd say it depends on the component with the bad capacitor

PSU? I'd get somewhat worried. GPU? Not so much.

But that's just my uneducated take.

Ah it's a laptop, heck.

Well that makes what I just said about the component being harder to check 🥲

[severe parcel]

Well

Everything works fine, games run fine, no overheating or anything

I guess I will just pray it doesn't blow up or something

[clever pilot]

Man i Just wanted to replace the keycaps, but for some reason the manufacturer Made the latches for big Keys Not fit with taller keycaps, so now i am forced to either Run this abomination or Take it apart and Put it Back how it was before

[merry bay]

Non standard layout life.

Overall it's an improvement, I kept mine when had similar issues

[outer siren]

Why doesn’t this surprise me that it came from you

[severe parcel]

Malefic keyboard reveal

Crazy

[clever pilot]

this one is just for typing tho. for gaming i use this

[outer siren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bingus-this-post-has-been-fact-checked-this-post-has-been-fact-checked-by-real-this-post-gif-13024796575344884427

[tepid bobcat]

A 4 cores 8 threads CPU is enough right? Right?

[clever pilot]

if you intend to do some knitting yeah

[tepid bobcat]

[rugged flume]

Just say CPU model rather than just that

Earliest AM4 with 4/8 is the ryzen 1400 and earliest Intel's... I've no idea, i7-6700? (I'm wrong, much older than 6700)

I'm pretty sure the 1400 will be fine, the 6700... I dont know, it's 10 years old. Perhaps yes?

People try to run it on Bulldozer archs (FX-8xxx), I know because of the bug with wrong check-sum, so I assume that CAN somewhat run the game

I'd guess intel's 9th-10th gen and any AM4 with 4/8 can run GTFO well.

You're going to run into troubles more with GPU and CPU tbh (because of the game's kinda bad optimization usually, not the hardware itself).

[merry bay]

The words ,,enough" can mean different things to different people too. Is the bar to not crash?

[outer siren]

Bar is usually 1080p at 30 or 60 fps

[severe parcel]

As long as you have at least 4GB of VRAM and 16GB of Ram you'll be fine
CPU doesn't really matter much in GTFO

[torpid elbow]

this game can EAT vram at higher settings tho

mine peaks at 12GB usage

also forget about getting a TRULY smooth experience. some areas are laggy no matter what hardware you run. I'm still dipping into 90s in some areas with a 7800x3d and 9070xt

[outer siren]

this might be due to the memory leak issue but im not sure

[torpid elbow]

I think its just a greedy thing, it uses what’s available

probably a bunch of allocated but unused memory in there

[outer siren]

maybe

i can load in with my mods to check it

[clever pilot]

the banban topology sleepers

[torpid elbow]

tbf my overwatch also peaks at 11GB and the game says it’s using 2GB, but when I do close the game it’s not like any of that 11GB usage remains. it might be a choice by AMD

to just reserve a bunch assuming you won’t play two games at once

[outer siren]

jesus yea mine peaks at 15 GB

[torpid elbow]

amd or nvidia?

[outer siren]

amd

7900xtx

[clever pilot]

8gigs life, sad life

[torpid elbow]

amd or intel cpu?

[outer siren]

amd

7800x3d

[torpid elbow]

it might be SAM running some kind of raid configuration except for memory

[outer siren]

sam?

samdown

@slate pendant get out of my pc

[torpid elbow]

SAM is where the RAM and VRAM are more or less interchangeable

[clever pilot]

samdown is a bitcoin miner? explains the performance

[outer siren]

ah ok

[torpid elbow]

so the game might be using VRAM as RAM

[outer siren]

tbf my vram idles at 5 GB so like

its prolly using closer to 1+

10

[torpid elbow]

mine idles at about 3gb I believe

im using 15/16 rn tho stalker is kicking my pc’s ass

[outer siren]

dont run 4K frfr

[torpid elbow]

i run 3440x1440

[outer siren]

samesame

[torpid elbow]

I got the latest optional driver update yesterday and it doubled my 1% lows tho

which is huge

[outer siren]

me when scanlines (im still on like almost newest)

i want my lines

o nvm im on latest

[torpid elbow]

yeah for some reason it wouldn’t update in adrenalin I had to manually get it from the support site

25.6.3

[outer siren]

bruh nvm

[torpid elbow]

LMAO

whats ur version

[outer siren]

.1

[torpid elbow]

right

that was my highest that adrenalin could find

manual download for .3

[outer siren]

amd stuff istg

[silent flume]

Has anyone ever tested this game with a normal cpu and its X3D variant? Hard to find benchmarks for that with this game. Or I can not find them anyway.

I get dips that can get pretty bad and for various titles (well okay, GTFO, Eve Online and Warhammer 3, I play little else) may want to get an X3D cpu.

If relevant, right now I have an AMD Ryzen 7700 (-20 curve, peaks at 82°C so not thermal limit), 64GB DDR5-6000, RTX4070S, playing on 3440×1440 resolution.

Are there certain graphics settings that take disproportionate toll on the system?

I set render target limit at 148 so it gets the 144Hz of my screen, but drops to 110-120 most places and then drops to 80-90 and sometimes to even lows of ~50. Especially if on the 3rd run/try/drop and on.

[fleet canopy]

yea idk

this is just how GTFO is unfortunately, everyone has that similar experience regardless of how good their PC may be

[plush notch]

Good to know it want just me.

[silent flume]

But does an X3D cpu alleviate the issue at all?

[fleet canopy]

Wouldn't know tbh

It might offer a nice boost but I haven't seen if it applies to this game and I don't own one

Someone else might have one here and would know

[shrewd elm]

wich issue

[silent flume]

Big dips in frame rate.

I know some benchmarks show a big improvement in some games. Others none at all.

[shrewd elm]

in gtfo its normal

the game is sadly poorly optimized. i play cyberpunk with more frames then gtfo

[silent flume]

From 110 to 48? It is a lot.

[shrewd elm]

yes. sometimes your screen just freezes for 2 secs too

or game better sayd

[silent flume]

I load from pcie 4.0 raid 0 array with Intel DC 5800 Optane Xpoint cache.

My OS is on an Intel DC4800 Xpoint drive for fastest 4K1T.

Only thing that might make for more stable fps I can think of is X3D but if I am paying for that I want to make sure I see result.

Should be 0 freezes for loading

[shrewd elm]

i know pple with an fkin nasa pc and they have framedrops. i think the memory management is fked up from the game and this framedrop helps cleaning up

its the same in modded games. when memory goes full it lags and then its fine again

[silent flume]

The game is on Unity. That means C#, that does 0 memory management, that is managed by a garbage collector.

[shrewd elm]

yes

and when memory goes full i guess the pc makes a lag and cleans up by itself i guess?

[silent flume]

Should not lag. I have little to no lag when I have my memory managed apps clean up(though I did not write anything huge like GTFO).

[shrewd elm]

the more ram u have the less problems u have. i had an rog ally and had this framedrops like every 2 or 3 min. my aptop has 16gb and it happaned like every 10 mins but my pc had 32 gb and i rarely had spikes (but i had an ram manager too be fair)

[silent flume]

Even if, the drives are sleected for access time and latency. It should be good.

64GB, should be enough yes?\

[shrewd elm]

okay then the lagspikes can come from incompa..... the game has an issue with a hardware piece maybe XD

forgot how to write the word lol

[silent flume]

Would be weird to be the only game. Only other game I have issues with is Horizon, also inconsistent frame drops. Nowhere else.

[shrewd elm]

but im playing the game for a very long time. lagspikes are the least problem u can have with this game ;-;

[shrewd elm]

zero dawn or forbidden west

[silent flume]

West.

[shrewd elm]

there i have no idea. i just know zero dawn has some issues because its an older game.. games like assassins creed4 are running like a charm on old hardware.... but on my pc i could not even hit 60fps

[shrewd elm]

idk if they fixed it on the last update they made what was a big while ago, but there where bugs like u could not drop objectives, the black dot bug, or the screen eating black dot, the soundbug, or the bug where everything turns purple lol

with more optimization, and some more work the game could light up again. it is a pretty uniqe and cool game. but sadly not a game someone took serious care of

[silent flume]

The only real issue is the frame drops, and the sound issues.

See: R8E2, and using 4 people on foam in R7D2.

[shrewd elm]

u mean bad sound or the soundbug

[shrewd elm]

i know that strat

but tbh R8E2 is not a level u wanna have too many tries on because its realy annoying

and foam is a big help in this level

[rugged flume]

X3D CPUs have more cache. I highly doubt whatever fuckery makes GTFO drop its FPSes to sometimes nearly half (opening sec doors for R7C1, to give an example) is gonna get brute-forced by better hardware. At a certain point, giving a pilot a better car will yield diminishing returns because the problem is the pilot (which, in this analogy, is the game). It's just badly optimized and that's it. Sound going fuck-all when using 4 foams would perhaps just be fixed with gluefix mod by Hirnu.

Just to give you an idea, I never had soundbug again with using that mod. At the same time, I've read of people STILL having it in modded rundowns simply because those maps are bigger (from my admittedly very rudimentary understanding). GTFO is simply badly optimized and that's it.

The fact that "it uses Unity like X game" doesn't change anything, games on very old versions of Unity look (and are optimized) completely different from newer ones: take Genshin and ZZZ for example, both are Unity game but the former is MUCH older and it shows in both performance and looks.

[rugged flume]

For example this dip. I doubt this is hardware related when you have an already beefy CPU.

Would it dip less, yes. By how much and if it's worth, I dont know what to tell you honestly.

[rugged flume]

A raid 0 of 2 Optane? For what purpose?

I'm not good enough to remember what all Disk Arrays are for what numbers but I know that 0 is the tandem in order to squeeze more performance, was very popular when SSD were either non-existant or very expensive and all you had were 7200 rpm HDDs, 10k if you had extra money.

I mean, I assume there's use-cases for that but for games there's no way those are needed or improve in any perceivable way.

Look at difference between good SSD and m2 NVMe drives, Good NVMes go for around 12000MB/s (hardly gonna get that on most MoBos), good SSD for, roughly 450MB/s. Difference in loading times for shit like open world games is like 5 secs. Very probably because those games simply CANT use all that speed.

But this is all pointless discussion since it has zero to do and perhaps you use your PC for stuff other than gaming, so, sorry for the tangent.

My point is that I think no, your system is spec-wise more than enough to handle anything tbh and would certanly be more than enough for GTFO. But considering I remember people dipping below 60 fps on 3090s in R7D1, I'd really just say that no amount of better hardware is gonna get 144 FPS at QHD on this game without EVER dipping (my opinion).

Again, sorry for the huge wall of text.

[outer siren]

Im playing 4K on a Radeon 7900xtx and a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and im getting around 70-160 fps, this game is poorly optimized (still better than AAA games) and it really depends on which tiles what fps I’m getting

[silent flume]

There is no raid of 2 Optane. There is a raid of 2 pcie 4.0 drives, and that raid 0 array has a cache of Intel DC 5800. Raid 0 for double the read speeds, the cache for lowest latency (10× better than NAND) on small files. The much lower latency is noticed a lot more than sdimply higher speeds at higher latency. Ergo: faster loads.

But try it out yourself. Get any Intel DC Xpoint drive.

[silent flume]

But yes, the question was can I just brute force my way past it, will an X3D cpu help. If up in the air then maybe not.

[silent flume]

With a not hugely more powerful card you get 160 instead of 120. That would indicate it would indeed help some.

[outer siren]

FPS isnt that needed in this game imo, you got a good enough PC

[rugged flume]

I've barely use for the NVMe I have already... In my country they're basically same price as a ssd nowadays...

[rugged flume]

I mean if that's the point a GPU stronger than a 4070 Super would do better compared to upgrading to an X3D

But of course the prices for that are another story entirely, 5080 goes for around 1200 euros last time I checked.

[silent flume]

Usually from reading, HU, GN, etc and other benches, the lows and dips are more often helped by a beefier cpu, higher fps is a better gpu thing.

Even then, a lowly 1080 can get more frames pressed out by a newer X3D cpu. Title dependent of course.

And it is the lows and dips that bother me more than "lack of " framerate as in the peak.

[outer siren]

It’s crazy how cheap monitors have gotten

[fleet canopy]

yea

I looked at 1080p 144hz displays and it just surprised me that they're literally just 100$

Used to be like 150 or 200$

But now it's like even a pretty good one is just above 100$

[outer siren]

yea like my VA 4K 160hz costed as much as a QD oled does rn

with like

60 more hz

[fleet canopy]

1440p 180hz ips

150$ sale, 180$ price without discount

[outer siren]

yea like its brazy

[fleet canopy]

I paid 320$ for a 1440p 170hz a long time ago

[outer siren]

yea

im thinking about getting a new QD oled monitor

like i dont need it

but would be like

good to have it

[fleet canopy]

mm color

mm response time

[outer siren]

Frfr

Mmmmm hdr

[bright shard]

i have the msi 321 urx and its gr8/8

motion clarity is crazy

[outer siren]

:3

[silent flume]

Only reason OLED gets good HDR is the deepest blacks, peak brightness is ass (unless you get a 50K stack OLED and even then).

For HDR better gte mini-LED, considering one myself.

[outer siren]

im prolyl gonna get QD oled if i am

[outer siren]

but ill look around more if im gonna, not gonna spend 1K usd unresearched

[bright shard]

In terms of monitor to monitor comparisons, there's not a whole lot of difference between standard oled panels. There's only like 1 or 2 oled panel manufacturers.

But if you want higher peak brightness, consider woled

I hear a lot of people don't like them though

[outer siren]

idk prolly just gonna go to the tech shop here and ask around, also prolly on a forum

[bright shard]

Probably check around blurbusters

[outer siren]

true

but also idk if im gona get one

[winter plaza]

Hi, does anyone know how good the netcode is for across-the-world sess? We have 3 people in the US and 1 in Asia and I'm wondering if the game is playable or not.

[severe parcel]

GTFO is Peer to peer

The host is the server

As long as both of you have good connection it will be fine

[rugged flume]

Not entirely sure why you put it this way

I mean, yeah, it'll be playable but that also depends on their definition of playable

[rugged flume]

Have whoever is from West US (possibly someone with a good connection) host and you're going to be fine, assuming for Asia you mean SEA, Japan, China

You might get some latency but I doubt it'd be much worse than me connecting from Southern Europe to Eastern US, and I usually get a fine latency 60-100ms roughly.

[winter plaza]

Thanks for the help! How's the experience at 100 ping? Is there a lot of rubberbanding?

[bright shard]

I had 3 in us and 1 in japan frequently. Its on the rough side, but definitely playable.

[outer siren]

not really

[clever pilot]

#gtfo-media message

[molten anchor]

yoniH2001 was playing

[fleet canopy]

oh wait

beautiful

[molten anchor]

Unbanned User and syntav were playing

[molten anchor]

[🪵] Voidspace and Makroo were playing

[subtle flare]

Dude I choked

I was not thinking straight the last attempt

[outer siren]

😭🙏

[molten anchor]

fish 🐟 was playing

[outer siren]

My second guess was whore😭🙏

[fleet canopy]

amazing

amazing

guessed in 4

[molten anchor]

[🪵] Voidspace was playing

[molten anchor]

Your group is on a 1 day streak! 🔥 Here are yesterday's results:
👑 3/6: @pulsar marlin
5/6: @primal scaffold @fleet canopy
6/6: @clever pilot
X/6: @[🪵] Voidspace

[molten anchor]

IZack was playing

[molten anchor]

[🪵] Voidspace was playing

[molten anchor]

Makroo was playing

[molten anchor]

Your group is on a 2 day streak! 🔥 Here are yesterday's results:
👑 4/6: @outer siren
5/6: @pine pagoda
6/6: @fleet canopy
X/6: @subtle flare

[fleet canopy]

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