gtfo-related-questions

[gilded jolt]

just run through everything

[restive fable]

Anyone can tell you lore so the gameplay isn’t much to fret over

[restive fable]

Pretty much don’t get kills yea?

[gilded jolt]

is every rundown really harder though

[gilded jolt]

Idk I just watch it I wouldn't know specifics

I guess not

[restive fable]

Depends on skill level and certain specific skills, I find this new rundown easier than the last so far

[gilded jolt]

no way

this rundown is definitely harder than r6

and r6 was definitely easier than r5

[sour cape]

wait, has anyone ever done a pacifist run or minimal kills?

[gilded jolt]

imo

[pulsar sage]

each rundown does not get harder no

[gilded jolt]

yes in the past but idk about any recent ones

[sour cape]

that is awesome

[restive fable]

Dude I failed b1 my first 3 times on 6.5 and won it first try on 7

[gilded jolt]

well idk

I think r7b1 is harder than r6b1

also r7c1 is definitely harder than r6c1

[restive fable]

There was barely any healing items in 6.5 b1

As long as you give me enough healing and ammo I can survive anything

[sour cape]

any tips on how to improve your gunplay? any specific advice such as shot placement for certain enemies or weapon stats? what weapon would be good for a beginner?

[gilded jolt]

idk I guess but even then

aim better

[restive fable]

Ok so use the PDW gun, it has a thermal scope and really accurate hip fire and really good damage, a good special weapon would be like the choke mod shotgun or machine gun

Best tip I can give for shooting is aim for the head and the back of the neck

Back shots do more damage

[sour cape]

i might try it again, thermal seems helpful for stealth

[restive fable]

Very much so, for a full auto gun it’s amazing but if your looking semi auto the bataldo and masterba revolvers are good, the DMR is good, the sniper is pretty good too

[tardy ingot]

generally preparing for alarms and using your tools right for that is more important than shooting well
As long as you at least hit a target you will do fine with right setup

[restive fable]

Oh yea use landmines and sniper turret and sea foam on the bots and stuff

And have the biotracker on you

[tardy ingot]

just say r6 btw, as the extension is still part of that
It had few healing items (4 of its commonly 8 (9) med uses behind its last real alarm). But syringes helped your top up and it barely had any stealth challenge compared to R7B1

[gilded jolt]

idk I think r7 is harder than r6

I was atleast able to do up till C2 high with bots in R6, anything R7 c tier would be hard with bots

[tardy ingot]

@sour cape
regarding speedrunning:
Just as any other game obviously the goal is to complete stuff as quick as possible, you do this by taking the quickest routes, killing enemys on the way or when you are forced to stay still and prepare only as little as possible. (same for looting)
GTFO speedrunning is mostly focused on speedrunning the individual missions compared to the whole game being run

Challenge runs (such as pacifist) are fun challlenges to some people, tho harder to find. Commonly people do them on earlier missions

[craggy pier]

r7 c tiers is ironically easier than r6 c tiers with bots

[gilded jolt]

really?

I feel like bots would be kinda bad at C1 atleast

[restive fable]

Any level is easier than the squidward family reunion

[gilded jolt]

idk about C2 or C3

what is squidward family reunion

[restive fable]

R6 C1 the scout room

[gilded jolt]

oh nah that wasn't bad

normal scouts aren't much of a threat

[restive fable]

I suck at stealth killing them

[gilded jolt]

there was like 5 but they were in a very large room with no other enemies

[dry pumice]

I loved that room

[tardy ingot]

R6 was easier than R7 imo
A1, B1, B2, C1, D1 are all harder in R7

So we have R7 B3, C2, C3, D2, E1 vs R6 C2, C3, D2, D3, D4
I personally consider R7C3 easier than R6C3. Same for R7C2 (tho here main is quite a bit more challenging than the R6C2 main). Very much closer than C3 tho
R7D2 seems to be harder imo, mostly due to mistakes insta costing you runs sometimes
I think comparing D4 and B3 vs D3 and E1 is more fair in difficulty. But i will compared D3 to B3 and D4 to E1 since PE vs PE and Main vs Main where i consider D3 and E1 harder respectively

So personally

R6:
C2 (slightly)
C3
D3

R7:
A1
B1
B2
C1
D1
D2
E1

[median forge]

R7 is definitely rougher than R6

Only levels I remember toiling in agony at were C3PE and DX in R6

[signal spear]

R6D3 was fucked

respawn daddy room

[wooden osprey]

yeah but you can avoid it very easily

[signal spear]

"avoid it very easily" my ass

[maiden cypress]

i mean

you can

or you can just kill it

that's even easier

[tardy ingot]

man true i always forget the extension levels recently lol

[tardy ingot]

just sneak through?

[wooden osprey]

i mean in my experience we never woke it up once ( i play with pubs and lfgs)

[median forge]

I would scare the shit out of people by walking around in the room with the tank

[tardy ingot]

i had it wake up like 4 times in my runs unintentionally. Those were mostly due to insane ping (EU to NA, EU to New Zealand)
Woke it up 3 times intentionally for the fun of fighting it

[icy cave]

Wait what ? R6 was the easiest and R5 the hardest. R4 and R5 both are harder than R7. R3 was also easier than R2. it is not a straight line 😅

[restive fable]

R6 is way harder than the current one

[median forge]

R5 was where I started and I didn't even beat all the C levels back then

[icy cave]

Nah absolutely not. R6 was honestly very easy. R7C tier is an actual Ctier. Where R6C1 was B-tier difficulty

R6D1 was C-tier diff

[restive fable]

Dude hell fucking no that room of all scouts? The all big one zone? The constant flying enemy zones?

This current one is easy

[median forge]

room with 5 scouts?

easy shit

[icy cave]

I'll put it in perspective: R6 felt harder cause you started on that one

[icy cave]

Those were no problem at all

[restive fable]

I just didn’t like b2 tbh that was so hard

[median forge]

DX would probably be a better example of scout shittery

[tardy ingot]

5 scouts with lots of space and nothing else
Get decent at meleeing scouts and that room is a joke. You dont even have to kill them. And you even have a ton of free foam nades to make it easier
Giant zone? That 1 op sniper can deal with by itself
The datacube areas. The 2?
First one is super short and can be done by walking in a circle
Second one aswell, tho people will take some dmg there

compare this to R5C1 which has 2 rooms with 2 scouts and around 10+ giants and smalls. Oh yeah that room was a respawn zone

[icy cave]

R5C1 honestly wipes the floor with anything R6 had

[tardy ingot]

R5C1 and R5C2 were insane

[icy cave]

Yep

[tardy ingot]

R5C3 was more on the R6 and R7 C levels (R6C3PE aside)

[icy cave]

R5 B tier was already above R6 C tier mostly

[gilded jolt]

well R5 was prob the hardest rundown

[wooden osprey]

well no

[icy cave]

definitely

[median forge]

R5C2PE my nightmare

[wooden osprey]

if you go back to R5 right now most likely every level can be beaten very fast

[icy cave]

R4E1 still hardest level tho

[icy cave]

No, 😂

[wooden osprey]

cause the playerbase evolved

[tardy ingot]

hmm, depends
B1 wasnt overtly hard. overload was a challenge shooting wise. But id argue R6C2 ext was more stressfull
B2 was "do you know how to deal with an error in fog"
B3 was somewhat challenging but not overtly so and B4 was mine simulator take 1

[icy cave]

You'll be surprised

[median forge]

but also they changed melee so much it might be jarring

[wooden osprey]

the defficutly of the levels comes from how long it is

[tardy ingot]

if you have a ton of experience and knowledge of the levels yes.
If you miss one, not so much
if you have neither? KEKW

[median forge]

they also give more resources in R6 and R7

[tardy ingot]

funnily enough, the ressources themselves arent THAT much more. Its just also less enemys usually per zone

[wooden osprey]

RNG wise

[icy cave]

R5 is still easily harder than R6 or R7

[wooden osprey]

oh yeah for sure

[median forge]

There were more ammopacks in R7C3 than R5C3

[wooden osprey]

but in the sense of being harder for playerbase thats what i meant

[icy cave]

Like top 3 I would say : R5 , R4 then R7

[median forge]

that's a funny thought

[tardy ingot]

id argue that R2 is somewhat comparable to R7 in a way

R1 is obviously the easiest tho
(havent played R3 sadge)

[icy cave]

R2 is very doable until D tier

[median forge]

I can't imagine rundowns 1 through 3 being that terribly difficult. They didn't even have charger scouts back then

[tardy ingot]

R7C3 is a "no ammo into ammo" situation

R5C3 is "low ammo into low ammo"

but gigantic tool from the start

[icy cave]

R2 D tier and E tier are no joke

[wooden osprey]

charger scouts are not hard tho

[median forge]

okay well an E level will always suck balls

[wooden osprey]

and R2E1 shadow giants were far more of a threat

than any enemy until now

[tardy ingot]

R2 pre nerf had some decently hard things (and even post nerf wasnt suuuper easy)

[icy cave]

R2D2 might still be the hardest generator I think

[tardy ingot]

hmm

[median forge]

Too bad I will never be able to see them

[wooden osprey]

in terms of RNG the E level difficuties in my opinon are : R4 hardest/R7/R5/R2 (dont know if R3 had a E level)

[tardy ingot]

r3 didnt

also what do you mean by RNG?

[wooden osprey]

spawns/ codes/terminals/ supply spawns

[tardy ingot]

hmm

[wooden osprey]

R4 first 15 min of RNG and the reactor code RNG could fuck up the whole team

[tardy ingot]

in the end i think R7 is the easiest E level, but mostly because it has to work with stamina.
R5 and R2E1 always had the viable tactic of "run and hammer" for no ammo problems

[wooden osprey]

the first 2 zones in R4E1 were super RNG based on if you can get pass them

[tardy ingot]

R7 has you on the edge ressource wise tho

[wooden osprey]

and than we go to reactor

that could be super hard

[tardy ingot]

especially when the spawns get fixed for that 1 part

[wooden osprey]

or super easy

[craggy pier]

at a certain skill level, the significance of rng matters less and less, sure you could have the entire zone's worth of sleepers condensed in 2 rooms but it shouldn't matter

[median forge]

if R6 and 7 didn't have checkpoints, I wonder how people would rank them

[tardy ingot]

i rank them without checkpoints generally lol

[craggy pier]

i just simply adapt

[wooden osprey]

well thats the thing

R4 no matter what skill level you have

it fucks you up

[median forge]

First time I did R5A1 all the sleepers in the first zone were in a single room

[craggy pier]

not really but ok

[wooden osprey]

how so?

[craggy pier]

how will it

[median forge]

not literally, but there must've been like 40 crammed into the room where you find your first bioscan

[tardy ingot]

yeah you can have 20 in the first room and then 10 again in the second

[median forge]

this was before I learned how to kite

[wooden osprey]

losing all ammo-losing most health-losing time-not finding the ammopack (not really needed but helps-hybirds-the door breaking cause of hack lock-tank AI (not really RNG)

[wooden osprey]

.

some you can adapt to

[craggy pier]

which expedition

[wooden osprey]

also second zone: tank spawning in pack room to the left and waking up alot of enemies-bad ammo pack spawn-door breaking-...

[wooden osprey]

R4E1

[tardy ingot]

even without any seemingly "bad" rng R4E1 is simply the hardest level

[craggy pier]

because division of labour is a difficult concept to grasp

[wooden osprey]

than extreme: code-enemy spawns-mom spawn location-code location- ammo spawns

oh also

[craggy pier]

2 people move cells, 2 clear then 1 go term to ping then 1 find shit is really difficult

using terrain to your advantage is also difficult

[wooden osprey]

SCAN RNG (where the scans are its not a game ender but will make your game very hard or very easy)

[wooden osprey]

how does that stop the RNG from fucking you over?

[craggy pier]

idk i just hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[wooden osprey]

good thing you do

[craggy pier]

if it's too dfficult for you then i'm sorry

[wooden osprey]

its just not helping that the RNG will fuck you over

[craggy pier]

it's an e tier for a reason

[wooden osprey]

its not difficult for the good reason

trust me there is alot

AND I MEAN ALOT of levels out there that are hard

but not bullshit

(modding mostly)

[craggy pier]

i mean i did reactor codes fetcher 3 times and honestly it wasn't bad at all

[wooden osprey]

did you have the back terminals

or front ones

[craggy pier]

yes

[wooden osprey]

enemy spawns

[craggy pier]

because hammering shadow scouts is really difficult

[wooden osprey]

?

[craggy pier]

prepping mines in case of shadow giants is also very dfficult

[wooden osprey]

the extreme is not as bad as main on RNG side

but it still can make your life hard

but again thats my opinion from all the levels i have played modded and not modded

[craggy pier]

idk replaying r4e1 a few times, we almost never wiped from the beginning

even when the reroute door broke

we just shot harder

[wooden osprey]

than i guess i just have skill issue

[craggy pier]

and there are ways to avoid it from breaking, we just weren't careful

[wooden osprey]

(this input is also coming from someone that plays only on pubs and doesn't have a true team)

[wooden osprey]

i mean idk i haven't replayed it yet

well i never will

[warm lichen]

Is there a consistent way to dodge Striker attacks? I feel like I manage to 30% of the time but other times they seem destined to hit me when I try to back out of their range.

[tardy ingot]

well yes
Its a bit uhm, hard if you arent host, tho still possible

without going into too much detail, their attack is a cone shape infront of them and a circle (iirc) around them. You can walk or sprint out of that for them to miss

[shrewd dirge]

so, whats with the snatchers in c3PE sometimes they spawn, sometimes they dont

[wooden osprey]

jump to the sides or use cover and such to break line of sight

[warm lichen]

okay, knowing it's cone shaped helps a lot.

[wooden osprey]

for example if you go 10 meters or 5 meters to left or right

they will most likely miss

or if you crouch behind a box they will miss most likely but not diff

[tardy ingot]

practice gets you used to it @warm lichen
(try it as host first)
The problem with being client rn is that enemy positions arent properly updated a lot of the time (dubbed "sniper melee" by a lot of people) which leads to you probably getting hit more often

[astral sand]

is gtfo worth bc im thinking abt buying it

[gilded jolt]

I guess

[tardy ingot]

asking this on a discord of players is always a weird thing to me
tho also understandable in a way i guess

if the game is your niche then its a resounding yes. But its best to play it with friends and learn it

[warm lichen]

I will say it entirely depends on how you like to play co-op games. If you have 3 friends interested in playing the game with you then YES.

[wooden osprey]

depends

[warm lichen]

If you like coordinating with people you've never met before, then sure.

If you don't have people to play with and don't wanna play with randoms, then no.

[tardy ingot]

yep. Experiencing this game with friends who are also new and want to learn and experience it is SO FREAKING GOOD

[wooden osprey]

do you have friends-do you have time to put into learning the ropes and ...

[dry pumice]

I had one

He's busy playing other games

Last thing he needs is this game rushing him into beating it with rundown timers

Gamer anxiety ahoy

[warm lichen]

6ish month isn't too much of a rush imo.

I'm currently trying to shepherd 2 friends through the rundown while I learn the game myself.

For me, I will say that GTFO is one of the most refreshingly unique multiplayer games right now. Even if you're unlock motivated, there's no reason to grind the game unlike every other online game which is all about getting you to spend as much of your free time playing it to progress one bar or another to get miniscule rewards. In GTFO, even if you want to unlock everything a Rundown has to offer, you literally just need to beat each mission and side objective once, then you have no obligation to keep playing unless you just want to keep playing for the sake of playing. That's great, to me.

[tardy ingot]

yeah this is the take people should have instead of "where is my grinding, where is my unlockable upgrades, where is my 5000 hours of gameplay for 1 bar going up"

[dry pumice]

implying it doesn't take 5000 hours to get a single good cosmetic for beating everything

[soft crater]

Where are my weapon skins? (BUT FR where are muh old hammers qwq)

[shrewd dirge]

.

[dry pumice]

Super shrug.

[soft crater]

Snatcher goes cry because yall keep killing him when he just wants a hug

[steel valley]

maybe the waves don't queue properly in c3 and the snatcher wave doesn't trigger idk

[shrewd dirge]

like, tank came to visit at 90% of extract

very odd

[minor fractal]

W/out waking them up? Unironically, it's up to whether or not the scouts decide to walk away from hybrids and shadow titans.

It could take a long ass time to deal w/ those rooms if you wanted to avoid a scout wave.

Although, tbqh, just taking the wave isn't a bad strat, it's not that crazy to deal w/.

Could have been a lot harder, though. ~~ Gridlock was basically code 6 and then some every single wave for 10 waves and it wasn't even that hard.~~

... ^ fuckton of ammo to compensate, though.

[craggy pier]

it's just 14 sleepers and there's like 30 uses of ammo

especially if the team just hammer first 3 reactor waves lole

[dusky tiger]

Did the revolver get a buff in r7?
I'm seeing alot more people using it than I typically do

[dry pumice]

HEL or normal?

HEL was always meta

[soft crater]

Normal Revolver yes

[dusky tiger]

Normal

[dry pumice]

Normal got small buff to recoil

Also there's not much to pick from

[dusky tiger]

I love the hel rev

[dry pumice]

The only other "reliable, lots of ammo" alternative is HAR and personally i'm bored out of my mind using it

[soft crater]

Norm revo got dmg/recoil buff and it says range decrease but this is not true based on data miners

[noble sierra]

Revolver got a damage buff so got some efficiency against bigs.

[dry pumice]

Also i'm bitter because the icon for it looks 20 times cooler than actual in-game model

[soft crater]

It only went from 12 - 14

Hel revolver got a indirect buff

The new reload animation enables a much faster reload cancel

[noble sierra]

One less shot against big than before is still something also it equivalently means revolver has better range.

[soft crater]

From behind

[dusky tiger]

Thanks for the feedback

[soft crater]

tell me a case in which many people still use and frequent revolver as a giant take down

[dusky tiger]

Deagle.exe has entered

1 occiput
1 back
Big striker ded

[dry pumice]

I just like the feeling of it

Deleting enemies in a single shot is so kreygasmic

[noble sierra]

If you're a godlike revolver user who can consistently do McCree right-click, it's actually fine against bigs. But ofc you pick revolver for smalls mainly.

[dry pumice]

doesn't require running straight into their face like with pump action too

[dusky tiger]

I've swapped to the mg this rundown
Feels so much stronger

[dry pumice]

Oh yeah, it's exceptionally ammo efficient

but gets surprisingly boring quick

[dusky tiger]

One ammo pack gives it so much ammo

I just like the feeling of spraying down a hallway knowing that you'll hit something

[soft crater]

Iirc one ammo pack is like 72 bullets?

I know it's a mag and a bit extra

[slender oxide]

anyone have a strat for D2? we've been holding the first catwalk with 3 of us and sending 1 person to do the other stuff but still having a bit of trouble

[viscid wolf]

have three people defend while one person stealthes

bring 2 sniper sentries

[slender oxide]

and defend the room right inside the error alarm door right?

[viscid wolf]

yeah

either that or the bridge

I think the bridge is a bit easier

[slender oxide]

where is the bridge?

[viscid wolf]

the one right before the blood door

[slender oxide]

oh that's where we defend

we had the guy stealthing with the bio tracker, while the 3 of us had mines and 2 sentries. is that good?

[viscid wolf]

no

you want the mine person to stealth

the bio needs to ping because sentry symbiosis

[slender oxide]

oh right

[viscid wolf]

ideally run 2 sniper sentries

[slender oxide]

what about 2 bios?

[viscid wolf]

well, you should only be running sniper sentries

you dont need 2 bios

you have more than enough resources you can take your time stealthing

[slender oxide]

ok thanks we'll try!

[viscid wolf]

good luck!

[slender oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

also, should we clear the charger scouts in 209 or just stealth the usb and leave?

[past mesa]

you dont need to clear them i reccomend just quick stealth it and get out for fast runs

just get a couple hours on d2 you got this

[dapper sage]

man how the hell do you deal with the shadow side without the bio tracker

[minor fractal]

Flashlight, find a dark spot, or just watch shadows on the ground and spray w/ MG to kill everything.

[noble sierra]

Or if you're not confident, make the stealther bring precision rifle.

[dapper sage]

I don't get how you win d2, every time you open a door you get the enemy inside coming after you afterwards including mothers it seems

[minor fractal]

It's not that hard tbh, just hold waves and kill one boss.

Extraction is way harder than anything leading up to it.

[viscid wolf]

are u experiencing hard levels?

[dapper sage]

second door spawned 6 hybrids

[viscid wolf]

annoying teammates?

bad rng?

fear not

for I have your solution to everything!

[minor fractal]

Stop holding the catwalk

hold the hub

[viscid wolf]

run two auto sniper sentries and all your problems will be solved!

[minor fractal]

Or get code/cell faster.

Also, yeah, when it doubt just equip more sniper sentry.

[viscid wolf]

ngl I felt like D2 was too easy

wish it was longer and harder

[minor fractal]

I'm fine with a super short but balls-to-the-wall level tbh.

[viscid wolf]

not to downplay u or anything shaun just some discussion with ray

[dapper sage]

no worries

[minor fractal]

Now that I know the hub thing, though.

Waves do seem a bit small.

[dapper sage]

we are still giving it a go but just trying out c3 secondary to give us a break

[minor fractal]

My impression was that 8 BBC waves were intended.

[viscid wolf]

after a level like R4D2 I haven't felt like we've gotten a good D tier since

[minor fractal]

Mind you, 8 BBCs in a wave is a bit memey, and I'm glad it's not.

[dapper sage]

i only started on the tail end of r4

[minor fractal]

But do wish the waves were harder.

Late R1 bb.

[viscid wolf]

I was also R4ext player

still haven't done R4C3 main btw refuse to play that level

[gilded jolt]

classic cuernos

[viscid wolf]

everyday I miss R4

[waxen jetty]

just go play it then

[dapper sage]

^

[viscid wolf]

I died on extraction for PE and didn't touch it for the rest of the rundown

[dapper sage]

oof

[minor fractal]

You haven't experienced the pain that is C3 Overload only

[viscid wolf]

u can only play R4E1 so many times

oh no foggies

ovl is charger err right?

[minor fractal]

Yeah.

[waxen jetty]

just speedrun r4e1 then

[minor fractal]

It's not designed for Overload only.

You can tell.

[dapper sage]

in r5 we had a hell of a time trying to deal with the well level

[viscid wolf]

I want to see a R4 remake

there are so many R4 levels deserving of remakes

I would love to see a R4D1 into E tier remake

pure hell

[gilded jolt]

not another E tier reactor

we have already had 2

[viscid wolf]

reactors are dope

[gilded jolt]

no

[viscid wolf]

my favorite objective, though they haven't made good ones since R4

[minor fractal]

Legacy moment.

[viscid wolf]

I wish reactors were more clear focused than stealth

[gilded jolt]

lmao I cant get past the first door in legacy

[minor fractal]

There are so many reactors...

[gilded jolt]

bots cant do much

[dapper sage]

i liked rundown 6's reactor but it was also easily cheesed

[viscid wolf]

R6D3 reactor was pretty fun

definitely one of the better made

[dapper sage]

i loved r6d3 honestly

[minor fractal]

Way too much ammo.

But good level.

[waxen jetty]

cant believe he ignored r5c2 reactor

[viscid wolf]

well excluding ammo problem

[viscid wolf]

R5C2 reactor was kind of basic

wasn't really interesting

[dapper sage]

I never progressed past b in r5

[gilded jolt]

I mean r5 was hard

[viscid wolf]

R5 was pain

god R5B1 prenerf

[minor fractal]

On GOD frfr

[viscid wolf]

thank fuck we're never getting something like that again

[gilded jolt]

giant charger error alarm in a b tier

[viscid wolf]

what were the nerfs

removed density

removed scouts

removed big chargers?

[gilded jolt]

I dont think big chargers were removed

[viscid wolf]

i forgor 💀

[gilded jolt]

r5 was nerfed big time though

[viscid wolf]

yeah

[minor fractal]

Tbh, most of the R5 nerfs were removing respawn rooms

Which I think is fair

[gilded jolt]

good riddance

[viscid wolf]

honestly R5D1 ruined the experience

[minor fractal]

It was such cancer.

[viscid wolf]

they very quickly realized cocoon rooms were a mistake

[dapper sage]

wait so most of the nerfs were removing the gimmick

lol

[gilded jolt]

yeah

[sage flax]

R5D1 extreme was goated

[viscid wolf]

R6 and R7 barely have cocoons

[dapper sage]

kind of funny tbh

[gilded jolt]

they kinda backtracked on cocoons

[minor fractal]

Respawns aren't even bad, it's just that the level design was p dumb.

[gilded jolt]

cause no one likes them

[minor fractal]

Like, C1 it actually makes sense, and is a good level.

[viscid wolf]

R7B3 was a good use

other than that ehh

[viscid wolf]

do not

speak of

R5C1

[waxen jetty]

c1 so good

[minor fractal]

A1 it's "nice, clear ez af room twice," C2 it was like "kill the scout 50 times"

[viscid wolf]

I remember walking into R5C1 prenerf

god

[minor fractal]

They barely nerfed it iirc.

[viscid wolf]

they downed the density by like 30%

prenerf you could barely move

[minor fractal]

No, density was unchanged.

[viscid wolf]

really?

[minor fractal]

It was p easy to clear pre-nerf.

[viscid wolf]

have I just been hallucinating the entire time

[minor fractal]

The main change was the % of respawns, which for w/e reason doesn't seem to actually do anything?

Seemed like every enemy that was there to begin with respawned.

[viscid wolf]

did someone say spawnblock

[minor fractal]

Removing spawnblock was good, too.

That shit was so boring.

[viscid wolf]

cocoons are boring

[minor fractal]

Naw, it's based.

Actually shits on you for being dog at stealth.

It's not even that hard. I'm glad PuGs had to suffer through that.

This is what you get for sprinting up behind me when I'm getting the safest double kill of my life.

[dapper sage]

do you guys remember what the r7c3 secondary is?

[viscid wolf]

I've only played it once

I forgot

[minor fractal]

Terminal command, locked behind password on 2 terms, shadows. Shuts lights off and spawns shadows during survival later.

[dusty flume]

yo where can I paste my lobby code so people can join me :>

[viscid wolf]

oh yeah this one was a R2E1 refresher

[minor fractal]

I'm about to use my special move.

[minor fractal]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[viscid wolf]

try the lfgs!

what he said

enjoy!

[dusty flume]

no ones responding ;-;\

[gilded jolt]

the lfg channels

[dusty flume]

I just need someone to play with tbh

[minor fractal]

You should post a VC link and be in the VC.

#how-to-matchmake

[dusty flume]

thats confusing lol

[minor fractal]

Naw, it's just a compact display of what you're trying to do and where people should go to join you.

[haughty hatch]

hey guys, total noob here. how do i invite someone to my party?

actually, how do I create a party?

nevermind, im stupid.. just found out by myself

[vagrant zodiac]

Hey guys, doing B1 right now, got into Zone 93 and at one point our objective to find the Collection Case switched to COLELCTION CASE IS FOUND - we don't know when that happened. Main problem is though, when we try to take the collection case back to teh shuttlebox, neither me nor the person I'm playing with is getting a prompt to interact

anybody have any advice on what we're screwing up here?

is the collection case an item that can be dropped? is it still sitting in zone 93 somewhere possibly? place is like a maze

[icy nacelle]

Collection case should be an object you can pick up and carry back to the shuttlebox, IIRC It's a small grey case with a green stripe on it. It's possible someone might have passed right over it to trigger the prompt change.

If you're unable to find it you could have one player ping it on the terminal while the other player just goes to where the ping is.

[rotund portal]

Another quick question

I thought I could stealth while standing

Seems like when I walk standing, it triggers a

"Croak"?

"Click"?

Not sure what to call it.

Doesn't cause bubbling, but it seems to trigger their red light

So wondering, does walking while standing trigger sleepers clicks?

[sage flax]

yes it does

[rotund portal]

ok thx

[brittle mural]

Walk stealthing isn't much different from crouch stealthing, only thing is you trigger their glow state by walking

[minor fractal]

You can use this to sync or to cause glows that you want to happen. However, if you want to make the maximum amount of distance you want to rotate between crouching and standing fairly often.

Crouching while you have free movement, standing either to make extra distance before a glow or to sync enemies once you get near the spot you're trying to reach.

[rotund portal]

oh I also noticed that the choke mod shotgun reload loads to shells instead of one, and only adds 1 to the counter

That's a bug I assume?

[minor fractal]

Nope. All tube fed shotguns have an animation that plays no matter how much you have in the mag.

It's a bit dumb, but w/e.

[rotund portal]

wait what

WAIT WHAT

I,,,

I have been reloading one shell

At a time, specifically between mini-waves

When all that time I could just... shoot my smg

[minor fractal]

Lmao.

[rotund portal]

Was like "Gotta keep this topped up", basically reloading a full mag every shot

[soft crater]

if you've noticed. Choke mod shotgun has 2 barrels

[rotund portal]

....huh, yea you are right

You load one shot into each barrel per reload

interesting

[vital sierra]

it's kinda make sense for choke mod but

normal shotgun

[rotund portal]

Anyone have any gusses as to why I find it easier to hit sleeping nerds with the spear than the bat or hammer?

Other than distance.

That's my main issue I think

I find myself approaching touching distance with the spear anyway, so if I could somehow upgrade or sidegrade to another melee that would probably be good right?

[latent obsidian]

Well the main difference between those is that the spear pokes enemies at your cursor whereas the bat swings from the sides and the sledge swings down from above. I guess you don't mind the knife so much either because like the spear it doesn't have an arcing hitbox

If you're having fun with the spear stick with it 🤷 I find it gross not being able to run while charging my weapon and will always prefer the sledge tho

[vital sierra]

the knife also swing from low to mid

so you will hit lower than your crosshair

[dry pumice]

Yeah, inability to sprint hurts spear real bad

Can't rushdow crap, have to bait enemies into getting closer

Which doesn't help because their attack range is still higher and position desync makes it even worse.

[vital sierra]

unless you fight them in the open

[dry pumice]

On top of that spear doesn't stagger that well, so you can't quick spam enemies either

[vital sierra]

i think EPD impact the most is when player hide behind wall or object

if you fight them in the open, it's just normal fight

and for spear, it shine when you hit weakspot

like for example: stealth kill giant

a spear can hit the back of the head of the giant

and a hammer can just full charge the giant on the back once

[dry pumice]

Yeah, I love doing that

[vital sierra]

it deleted the giant hp like 3/4

[dry pumice]

Almost an insta kill

[vital sierra]

same thing can happen to hybrid and big shooter

[distant ice]

All melees hit right where you're aiming if you're aiming at something in range

[latent obsidian]

Yes but the arc of the hitbox could hit something before the target? like the scouts arm

[distant ice]

No

Hitscan is always first

[latent obsidian]

So if I am swinging my bat from the right to the left at a sleepers head and my cursor is to the left of its head in the air it won't connect?

[distant ice]

Imagine melee weapon attack as 2 in 1

First it checks if there's something right on your crosshair

And if not then the physical swing takes over

[latent obsidian]

And at what instant does it matter if there is something on my crosshair? as the weapon animation passes through that point?

[distant ice]

Just drop in, test it out and you'll see

[latent obsidian]

I'd like to but at work atm

will do when I can though

In other words, is there no hitbox before the weapon passes the crosshair?

[distant ice]

There is and the check happens earlier than you say

But how would i explain it in text

[mossy aurora]

this is definitely not true

[latent obsidian]

Okay I'm just curious because this doesn't sound consistent with my experience

But if you can't explain in more detail I'll have to check myself when I can

[mossy aurora]

a standing sleeping shooter with its head on the left will not get hit by a bat swing if you just aim at the head with your circle crosshair

[distant ice]

I could provide all the videos you want of proof

As long as the circle is shrunk that's where you'll hit

[latent obsidian]

The exact scenario Ryk descibes is the kind of thing which has put me off of using the bat

But maybe I was focusing too much on the arc of the bat rather than the hitscan which I didn't think existed 🤷

[mossy aurora]

it is definitely not hit scan

i will record in a biut

knife has an even jankier hit arc/box

[distant ice]

Moving to #gtfo-spoiler-chat

[autumn flint]

Wait, youre saying i could just yeet a giant almost the same way i do normal sleepers?

[vital sierra]

you could if you have 1 spear guy to poke the back of the head of the giant

[autumn flint]

Oh

Almost got my hopes up lmao

[vital sierra]

you can also do that if you have a syringe

[autumn flint]

Cool

Now that is better

[icy cave]

You can also stagger him to death

[autumn flint]

Tell me

[icy cave]

You charge, hit the back of the head, charge immediatly, hit a limb, charge immediatly, hit another limb, charge immediatly, hit another limb..... he dies

Every time you break a limb basically he is staggered and you have enough time to charge up your next attack

All of this is with Hammer. I don't know if it works with the others

[autumn flint]

thats neato my man

and im a hammer main so should be no problem for me

[carmine wasp]

Did they remove the 'dis place is biiiiiig' lines or am I just not hearing them anymore?

[dry pumice]

Haven't heard them once

[wooden osprey]

removed in R6

[desert falcon]

I actually heard it in E1 yesterday

[wooden osprey]

nice

[tardy ingot]

Is it just me or is hammer not killing strikers (reliably?) from the front atm?
Body hit, no head/no back dmg

I tried it out and swung way after full circle yet for some reason it didnt kill

[soft crater]

probably a late ass reply but that's only a little more than half hp

not 3/4

68.25 dmg to giant occi whereas giants have 120 hp

it's more like 2/3

3/4 would be 90 dmg

even to big shooters and hybrids. a spear occi is only about 2/3 with 91 dmg out of 150hp

[soft crater]

hmm idk about front but I have experienced some occi hits not killing right but it could play into latency I've had those matches

Matches with no latency or desync issues I trust my hits more that they will hit and kill

also strange because a full charge hammer should kill a striker anywhere to the body from the front like you said

[tardy ingot]

yep thats what i mean

it should 100% always kill

but quite often it didnt

at first i thought "hmm maybe i didnt full charge"

but then i did it on a sleeping striker

[soft crater]

idk I at somepoint brought it down to some unlisted or unnoticed change in r7

or unintentional

or it's just desync

[tardy ingot]

unintentional maybe

i was host

[soft crater]

theeeeeeen yee

host speed and reliability be nice asf

[distant ice]

ye olde il2cpp float math

they probably survive with 0.001 hp

[soft crater]

:c

might as well strike head or back just for insurance nowadays

[tardy ingot]

i mean the reason i run hammer is so i can just smash smalls in a rush

spear doesnt allow me to sprint there (and cant kill from the front)
bat and knife need headshots pretty much

also scouts are more satisfying with hammer imo

[soft crater]

I would like Bat

but it doesn't one tap chargers in back

also idk. I remember at somepoint in chats there was saying half charge hammer does like 5 dmg?

yet half charges to a striker head from the front kills it

only 15dmg to their 20 hp

[median forge]

Spear helps me keep my pulse in check

I’ll never be sprinting and charging at the same time

[soft crater]

I personally just like the reliable 20 dmg on body with hammer and also it's the og weapon (besides the 4dmg to 3dmg on normal swings nerf)

qwq

[median forge]

One shotting strikers to the body is pretty cool

I remember back in R5 you could kill a shooter by bopping it on the head and it would just get concussed or something

Nothing would even pop on it

Don’t know if that’s still possible

[soft crater]

techincally when I say body dmg. I mean for giants

[median forge]

I see

[soft crater]

17.5 body dmg versus 20 body dmg

[median forge]

How much damage does a spear do to the back of a giants head I wonder

[soft crater]

68.25

[median forge]

Hey, that’s pretty fresh

[soft crater]

this

spear is nice as the first hit to occi

but it lacks for the body dmg 2nd/ 3rd hits

[median forge]

As a bonus I don’t have to be in clothesline range if my team screws it

[supple sleet]

the charge time is also really long and those few seconds could really matter

[soft crater]

iirc it's not much longer than hammers

if not similar

just adapt

[soft crater]

also that's negligible when stealth taking down giants where spear goes for the occi

during swarms however it's a skill issue not being able to use it well there and performing half charge headshots

just like how bat can kill just as fast as knife with half charge headshots

[median forge]

Oh how I wish for spear punch through to return

It made stealthing rooms with two dudes hugging each other less stressful

[soft crater]

I do like the spears lingering hitbox though. even if you miss the half second it's still lunged out drag cursor to head and it dies

[median forge]

Yes I do notice that often

You can flick pretty hard with spear

[soft crater]

knife has this too but at a shorter range and more risks if you miss (for smalls at least)

since spear can still back body smalls

[main glen]

can you join anyone on any level?
or do i need to have unlocked the levels

[pale tapir]

It won't matter if you don't have access to a level that a host has

You could join the last level despite being nowhere near that

[main glen]

thats pretty cool then

thanks

[median forge]

It’s actually slightly unfortunate sometimes

At least, when someone tries to play D2 after having beaten A1 for the first time or something similar

[autumn flint]

To be fair tho first time A1 and straight to D2 without a hard carry service is a bad idea no matter how you look at it

[unreal knot]

how do I just start a simple 2 player match with my friend. Just me and him

[gilded jolt]

change the permissions for the slots that the bots are in to player only

[viscid wolf]

change all of them to locked

because you are strong and independent man!

who doesn't need friends !!

[soft crater]

Dusk with the line sticker gif

[viscid wolf]

[supple sleet]

[frank imp]

Hey-- I was wondering if there was any open-source character/weapon models I could get from GTFO, or if I'd have to rip them from the files (which would be a more complicated process ofc). I'm looking to mod them into a certain VR game

[solid quiver]

okay so if i use boosters to get like +100% special ammo, does my max increase?

[rigid sinew]

nope, but you can go ask in the modding server

[frank imp]

huh, I didn't even know there was a modding server-- I'll check it out, Thanks man

[zealous glacier]

so we just finished D1 with a friend, and we are stuck at the last Bioscan... i think we are supposed to grab the Neonate but it doesnt appear? is it bugged?? or did we miss something?

nvm one the bots grabbed it and we didnt see it

[sage flax]

the bots are thiefs confirmed

[tranquil dagger]

Is there any rewards to be missed out on when the devs change up the levels?

[sage flax]

theres some exclusive rundown rewards like mask or pallete, so yea there are some rewards that will be missed out on if you dont do all missions

[viscid wolf]

nothing too notable

there were like 3 palletes and one mask

two masks?

two masks

[sage flax]

its just cosmetics tho so theres that

3 mask

[tranquil dagger]

Gotcha

[sage flax]

masks are coolest part tho imo

[tranquil dagger]

I don't doubt it when the masks on the cover look badass

Can we get those ones actually?

[sage flax]

id assume eventually cause the models are made if they are used for the cover, so just gotta wait until some of them are released

i think 2 of the masks on the steam cover page are avaliable the scorpion mask and the falcon mask

[viscid wolf]

I forgor

[tranquil dagger]

Alright that's awesome

[viscid wolf]

wasn't it just tigris and ext

[sage flax]

tigris and twin blades mask

and then gas mask looking ass thing in R7

downside is that once all your avaliable potential drops are gone cause youve done all the missions, you cant grind for more cosmetics untill next update

[weary mesa]

Dragon scale is a R7 exclusive

And a pair of pants

[sage flax]

was overload six (yellow and blue) an R6 exclusive? i know destination is

[weary mesa]

yes

[tranquil dagger]

Don't exactly know how I feel about that. Ain't that all there is to grind for? I bought the game, played the tutorial and then saw a small amount fo cosmetics.

[sage flax]

damn that sucks that pallete is a banger imo

[weary mesa]

yea I like it a lot

I mean the game is basically the accomplishment of beating the levels/rundowns

then comeback when the next one comes out

[sage flax]

^pretty much

[weary mesa]

I do wish they'd add some replayability to the rundowns

[tranquil dagger]

I'm trying to convince myself that sounds good but I really can't, I just enjoy replaying a mission with knowing that I'm getting something good out of it.

[sage flax]

fair enogh, its all about the experience in this game

[weary mesa]

I get that but making it so you can just spam missions to unlock shit rids the point of random drops or actually playing other levels

[tranquil dagger]

That's fair too

[sage flax]

i guess you can get boosters which can increase your stats for harder levels if that helps

[tranquil dagger]

Kind of, maybe I'm just spoiled from playing Destiny 2 too much dx

[vital sierra]

gtfo is not a grind game

it's a game where you beat once and go on vacation

[weary mesa]

I just think the biggest problem for them right now is player retention

[vital sierra]

you can still play it

literally game make to have fun with friend

[sage flax]

tbf player retentions alway been a problem for the most part

[vital sierra]

it's hard enough to gain some experience from game mechanic

[tranquil dagger]

I'm not asking it to be a grind game, just asking for it to have more stuff to work for.

[weary mesa]

They probably just need something to keep money coming in without being scummy

And I don't really know the answer for that

[vital sierra]

they could put out cosmetics dlc

but that's just like

lame

[weary mesa]

do be a common thing

[vital sierra]

just pull a ubisoft and tell everyone to buy cosmetic

or nft

[tranquil dagger]

I mean if it was dlc cosmetics I could buy and then play a specific level to unlock it? I would honestly buy it. It's a joykiller when cosmetics aren't something to work for in the game but buy it and unlock it instantly

[sage flax]

maybe when frankensteining weapons comes itll be grindable parts or something

[weary mesa]

I'd be down for dlc grind cosmetics but I don't know how most people would react

Kind of a foreign concept

[tranquil dagger]

True

[vital sierra]

not everyone taste

[weary mesa]

reverse pay to win

pay to grind for win

[vital sierra]

pay to play

[weary mesa]

it's close

lmao

[tranquil dagger]

Lol

Also are the devs planning to fix the matchmaking or is that something they're gonna rely on Discord LFG to fix it?

[weary mesa]

Probably the latter

MM is very lacking

[sage flax]

still waiting for a lobby browser

and a kick option

[tranquil dagger]

Noted, thanks guys, I'll probably buy this again. I honestly returned the game cause I crashed twice after the tutorial and couldn't exactly find anyone through MM(In fact I did find a team and that's when my second crash happened) and didn't think it would be worth the time after that

[weary mesa]

yea kind of a game you have to want to play if you get a bad roll on bugs and shit

[grave flax]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew what triggers the bots to start shooting versus continuing to melee. Is it based on the proximity of the enemy I alerted?

or type of enemy?

[vital sierra]

based on how far the enemy vs bot

if it's too far bot start shooting

[grave flax]

lolllll. Okay. Thank you

[frank imp]

Can you join a friend to play a sector you haven't unlocked yet? like if they have it unlocked can I join their lobby to play it with them?

[sage flax]

yep, people can join any level as long as the host has the level unlocked

[gaunt orbit]

i need help! i cant enable air filtration!!

[sage flax]

what level?

[gaunt orbit]

fixed it dw

[sage flax]

kk

[gaunt orbit]

aparently you can just type commands

[gaunt orbit]

ok so i need power cells to open the door but ive already used all available power cells in other genorators

is there a way to take them out of the genorators again

[maiden cypress]

there should be 3 glps in each room you open

i'm assuming you're in C1

[gaunt orbit]

YES

i have 6 of 9 glps what do i need them for

[tardy ingot]

for the main objective ._.

[gaunt orbit]

do i get more cells from there?

[tardy ingot]

you do not need more cells once you have those 9

[gaunt orbit]

i want to die

[tardy ingot]

and each zone from 14-19 with a cell gives you 3 glps

[icy cave]

Whatever you opened should all have 3 glp inside

[soft crater]

Me when the new guy wanted to stealth and grab the GLPs

Really hurts when he took nearly 20mins to get the 3 glps in the first zone.

(Then again that pub. Those guys liked to rush. But didnt know how to effectively kill multiple sleepers and maintain stealth which was the problem)

[vital compass]

Do you have suggestions on how to manage R7D1 with Overload - I don't know if it is bugged, but it often spawns 2 to 4 [SPOILER] enemies, which makes it a major pain in the neck to even do the first room of main, let alone the error alarm or the class 10. Any advice is appreciated 🙂

[ruby wasp]

It's bugged indeed

[wooden osprey]

just get lucky

[ruby wasp]

Supposedly it was 1 every 4 min ?

[wooden osprey]

for the bug to not happen

easy

[wooden osprey]

yes

but its not a error alarm

[ruby wasp]

Try to get 1

at most 2

[wooden osprey]

its just a spawn on timer

[ruby wasp]

Kill them right before you start the error alarm

Kill them again once you reach the terminal, do the alarm

[wooden osprey]

cause if it was an error alarm you could turn it off with error lol

[ruby wasp]

kill them near checkpoint

kill them again before looking for the key

kill them before entering the 5 scout zone

kill them before starting the class V alarm

etc

Basically kill them before every major part of the level

Hell you can even have someone sacrifice itself so it keep getting grabbed

[sharp whale]

How to C3 PE?

[floral acorn]

melee a lot until armory, then shoot and mine a lot :)

[eternal bridge]

Pretty much!

[floral acorn]

also secondary can be put off until first <spoiler> and then <redacted>

[eternal bridge]

Yup

[craggy pier]

Is C1 possible with a two-man or no?

We haven't been able to get passed the Class S-1 door

[tardy ingot]

two man with bots?

or without?

[craggy pier]

With bots

[tardy ingot]

both are doable

what tools you running and how are you prepping?

[craggy pier]

Any tips? We have been using shotgun and sniper sentries in addition to a biotracker. Each person has a special weapon that can easily take out a giant (Shotgun or sniper) We all run the Malatek

[viscid wolf]

two sniper sentry one mine one bio

[tardy ingot]

2 sniper sentrys + bio + mines
Mine the doors leading to the rooms 2 rooms away from the s scan. Put sniper sentrys in a good sight line

1 sniper should be enough IF you need it. But 2 buffed sniper sentrys will deal with most of it

the s scan is by far the "easiest" part of c1 tho so have fun

[craggy pier]

Oh good to know, thanks for the tips, LMAO

Now the real question is, can you 1 man it with 3 bots?

[gilded jolt]

yeah

you can 1 man it with no bots

[craggy pier]

How though?

[gilded jolt]

idk I didnt do it

just look up videos of it

[tardy ingot]

its most often pretty cheesy

[fair fulcrum]

hello everybody
recently me and a friend bought GTFO because we managed to give it a try over the free weekend.
I saw a few guides but I don't understand stealth very well, so I have some questions about that.
I read that crouching can allow you to go up to the enemies, technically hugging them - however seemingly randomly the enemies start waking up and pulsing. I am not running, falling, or standing when this happens, just moving towards them crouched. Do enemies periodically wake a little or am I doing something wrong?
My other question is about the feelers - can they actually feel the flashlight's light, does noise alert them, how do they work? I couldn't find anything about them, and what I noticed is that if it expands it's tentacles then I need to wait for it to retract, then go in for the kill. But one time it instantly just pushed it out again, however at that time I had my flashlight on.
What are good deployables? From what I've seen bio tracker is very good, the burst sentry is also very nice, but idk about the others (besides foam launcher).
What weak points should I aim for besides the head? I'm talking about a scenario where we have to do a security scan with an alert, and the enemies come rushing in. I usually shoot their head, but not sure what is/are their other weak points. I noticed the large ones are weak for their limbs, but that's about it

[turbid horizon]

Woo boi long message.

Yes, enemies will periodically stretch no matter what you are doing, basically like turning over in their sleep. If you accidentally bump into an enemy though, it’ll instantly wake up.

The tentacle boi (scout) will expand its feelers periodically, but also if you sprint near it or shine a light on it. Basically, you can regular walk up to it and bonk it.

Deployables will change based on personal preference and the level, my group usually runs Bio, Cfoam, Mines, and Burst

[turbid horizon]

The weak points of most enemies are head and back. This means if you nail an enemy in the back of the head, it’ll really hurt it. For alarms though, yeah just hit ‘em in the head

[fair fulcrum]

I see, but after I shoot their head off they still aren't dead. That's what I was trying to elaborate

[turbid horizon]

If you’re stealthing towards a dude and he starts gooshing, just instantly stop moving, flashlights off

[turbid horizon]

That’s just a thing they do, you have to watch to make sure they aren’t still alive. If you snipe a guy in the head, they won’t stand back up. Think of it like the bigs - you did enough damage to destroy the head, but the body still has a little bit of health left

[fair fulcrum]

So after destroying the head, just hit them anywhere else? If they are still alive

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

[fair fulcrum]

And you say if I stop moving while an enemy is waking up, it will stop? So making distance or hiding isn't a solution but stopping is?

[turbid horizon]

Even a little boop with a hammer should do it

Whoops wrong reply

[turbid horizon]

If the enemy is still throbbing, just don’t move. If it’s turning red, move towards it while charging a melee, your best bet is to kill it as fast as possible before it screams and wakes up the room

[fair fulcrum]

Alright.
About the hammer - how strong is it? I always charge it for stealth and combat kills, fully I mean. Is charging halfway or no charging at all a good choice?

[thorny creek]

Charging halfway is effective, but you need to go for the head.

[turbid horizon]

^

[icy cave]

strongest melee

[turbid horizon]

At least half

[thorny creek]

Hammer is the most balanced melee weapon, and overall a jack of all trades.

[turbid horizon]

It comes down to personal preference in the end - I use spear, and my group runs all four weapons

[fair fulcrum]

Alright. I tried using the knife first time around, and it worked until it didn't 😅

[turbid horizon]

Knife is a stealth killing weapon, does a lot more to sleeping enemies

[icy cave]

knife is great on smalls, but you will see that it is meh on everything else

[turbid horizon]

Spear is a long reaching weapon, really good if you’re unsure on your scout takedowns, I still use it

Club is a nice weapon for staggering enemies over and over, you can easily lock down big guys alone with it

In my group, we just use what we like, and it ended up being perfectly balanced (bc I gave Bishop a knife)

[fair fulcrum]

Another question
I know I said crouching is the best but I'm not 100% confident to say that. Is walking while standing the same, or worse?

[thorny creek]

Walking will force the enemies to glow

[icy cave]

As for tools, mine+c-foam on a door at an alarm is still the most OP combo. It's basically a complete wave wipe.

burst sentry is pretty great overall
Sniper sentry I good but combo'ed with bio it is insane
Shotgun can be forgot about until they buff it
Bio great for awareness and sniper sentry combo

[thorny creek]

Useful if you need to travel short distances quickly, but one it starts pulsing you gotta stop.

[turbid horizon]

Depends on the situation. If you need to stay above fog, you might need to just edge forward while standing. A lot of the time though, crouching is the way to go for newer players

[icy cave]

Walking makes them glow instantly, crouching does not. It is still possible to stealth while walking, just harder/slower overall

[fair fulcrum]

I see, thanks for the info

[icy cave]

Have fun

[drifting mauve]

Best community

[fair fulcrum]

We've been struggling to complete B1 because of the last part - is there anything we can do or is it just skill at that point? With the flying squids

[turbid horizon]

Enjoy, and don’t forget to work together!

[icy cave]

I ll get you through D2 for that

[drifting mauve]

A tour guide? 😳

[turbid horizon]

Little bit of advice, when you put the child in, don’t immediately pull the door

[icy cave]

Kill the squids, do not start the moving scan. The squids actually stop spawning

[vernal forum]

any advice for the last part oc C1?

[turbid horizon]

I miss big squid

[icy cave]

Then set up for the moving scan and do that

[vernal forum]

I ususally run bio, sniper, dmr

[icy cave]

You can go back 👀

[turbid horizon]

-_-

[stuck orchid]

Additionally, the moving scan's progress doesn't scale fully with the entire team, so you can have some defending the only way the sleepers come from and some staying on the scan

[fair fulcrum]

Alright, thanks a bunch again.
Are bots worth anything? Like I like to keep them fed with ammo and health, but it just seems like they waste a lot

[turbid horizon]

They’re pretty good, definitely should run with them if you’re newer

The difficulty spike without bots is not worth it

[icy cave]

End of C1 with a full team is stack on the door at the back put two sentries down. bio everything and pew pew pew.

[fair fulcrum]

Any loadout recommendations? So far I used the thermal scoped DMR and pistol which is nice, but as for the bots - I left them with whatever they had. Which is probably bad guns 😅

[icy cave]

Everything is viable. soooooo

[fair fulcrum]

Seriously? I felt like the SMGs, revolvers, and shotguns were pretty bad

[drifting mauve]

Double shotguns

[turbid horizon]

Whatever you’re comfortable with, but preferably something that works well at closer ranges

[drifting mauve]

^

[turbid horizon]

I mean… :3

[drifting mauve]

:3

[fair fulcrum]

Like the game put me in the tutorial with a shotgun and an smg and switching to the dmr + pistol was a godsend

[icy cave]

SMG is a wave stopper, the revolvers are OP but you have to aim, shotgun great at one shotting smalls coming in close

[drifting mauve]

GTFO dev team did a pretty good job on weapons, most of them are pretty good

so you should be fine with whatever, I just suggest you to try new weapons and not stick to the same

[fair fulcrum]

Are the ARs any good? I tried using one but it ate a lot of ammo, probably my bad though

[icy cave]

But find the stuff you are comfortable with

[turbid horizon]

oooooh my children

AR’s can be good with small controlled bursts

[drifting mauve]

Listen to dad

[turbid horizon]

They do a lot of damage for being fast firing

But again, whatever you’re comfortable with is what you should run

[icy cave]

Also you will learn later that you will want to switch weapons on certain levels.

[turbid horizon]

R6D1

[icy cave]

for example

[drifting mauve]

Having shotgun at the end was a pain ;-;

[turbid horizon]

Scattergun gaming

[drifting mauve]

lmao

[fair fulcrum]

How can I distribute my resources the best?
Feels like everything I come across instantly gets used. By the time I get something I need it immediately

[turbid horizon]

There was a tumor pretty close to me actually

[icy cave]

Yeah that is one spot where you would be f'd with shottie

[drifting mauve]

Melee

[fair fulcrum]

But I can't melee a horde, they'd hit me to death

[icy cave]

Of that is the case you guys are probably waking up to much stuff

OR

[fair fulcrum]

Definitely, I wasn't aware of the stopping thing

[icy cave]

not finding enough

[fair fulcrum]

So stealth was halfway successful only

[drifting mauve]

Do you know how to use terminals Thonk?

Or one person of your group

[fair fulcrum]

I know I can list items in a zone

[icy cave]

use terminals to ping the resources

[drifting mauve]

ok good

[icy cave]

List res E_number of zone

[fair fulcrum]

oh because E is short for zone

[icy cave]

yes

[fair fulcrum]

I always typed out the whole thing heh

[icy cave]

You can actually do: List U E_number zone

[fair fulcrum]

How can I tell which zone I'm in? are the little symbols in the room with the zone name the giveaway? And what about when there is no text?

[icy cave]

got used to using res tho

It says on the terminal screen

[fair fulcrum]

oh

[icy cave]

top left

Otherwise when you open the map you should see it as well

[fair fulcrum]

Ima put my newfound knowledge to the test

[icy cave]

Go for it!

there will be enough nightmares waiting for you the deeper you go

[fair fulcrum]

Quick question - does the glowing reset the enemy wake up timer? The one that occurs periodically

Like for example, if I walk

[icy cave]

If you walk he will glow back up immediatly

While crouching it will stay down for a while

[fair fulcrum]

Yeah but I mean, they wake up even if I'm crouching sometimes

So if I walk first

[icy cave]

Sure that works, the best is to try it out to get a feeling for it

Glowing should be your cue to stop moving. If you don't they will start convulsing, that's the point you have to absolutely stop. If you still don't it is wake up time

[fair fulcrum]

That sounds simpler than I thought

Should I take any artifacts? I've been collecting them but not using any

I don't like wasting stuff so I tend to stack up on them

[icy cave]

I personally don't use boosters, but you can always take em and see later what you do with it

[shell panther]

My strategy with boosters is to go into a level for the first time without any. If I lose and think a certain booster will help me win than I bring it.

Most of the time I don't feel like I'll need them though

[fair fulcrum]

How do I get a bot to pick up something? There was an ammo box so I asked the bot to put down the objective, and marked it for him. But he didn't budge, and the others already had items

[silver fable]

There's rng involved here and I can't comment as though I have exact knowledge of how they're programmed, but yes, after an enemy glows you typically have a good ~10secs before they glow again, and you can manipulate this by forcing a glow by e.g. walking, switching between crouching and standing, or (most commonly) briefly passing your light over them.

Syncing the cycles of a room of enemies by passing your light over them is pretty common.

[fair fulcrum]

That's exactly what I was talking about, thanks for shedding some light on it

[silver fable]

See the tutorial. ("Eval" on the rundown screen.) There is signage on various walls and doors with zone info, and it'll often show up on your map.

[silver fable]

HEL revolver is the best main in the game, but it kinda demands that you put in some work to get headshots and/or overpen hits, and it's also not so great if you don't reload cancel (i.e. switch away from the weapon when the numbers change to cancel the animation), since the natural reload speed is bad.

Revolver is a decent special which again asks for marksmanship and the ability to reload cancel.

Pump shotgun is a powerful close-range choice, good for waveclear and taking down bigs alike. It tends to feel clunky to newer players, and again the reload is rough if you're not reload cancelling, but it's very comfortable once you're used to it.

[shell panther]

Revolver seems like a good gun, what secondary goes well with it in your opinion?

[silver fable]

And SMG is a fine close-range main, but currently overshadowed by the PDW.

[silver fable]

you mean hel revolver? (revolver is a special)

[shell panther]

Yeah sorry

[silver fable]

you can more-or-less pair any special with hel revo

it pairs well with shotguns because of the range, sniper because it's good at managing waves and has a good ammo pool, machine gun so that you have a gun for precision work that you can also reload fairly quickly...

[silver fable]

The design intent is probably to unsettle you -- "how do I kill these things? I took off its head and it didn't care" -- but that doesn't mean you didn't do a lot of damage with that headshot. Spend some time with a given gun and you'll learn how much "work" you need to put in to get the kill.

For example, with DMR or HEL revolver you need either 1 headshot + 1 bodyshot, or 3 bodyshots.

For pistol it's 1 headshot + 2 bodyshots (3 bodyshots if they're further away), or 5 bodyshots.

For autos it's messier but you'll figure it out as you get experience with the gun.

Oh, but don't shoot giant strikers in the head unless you're the sniper on your team (i.e. your special is the sniper rifle, DMR and precision rifle don't count) or your team doesn't have a sniper at all. Only the sniper rifle gets head damage against big strikers that's worth caring about. You want to leave the head intact so sniper can do their job.

Definitely don't shoot big strikers' heads with a shotgun. The head will pop before half of the pellets land, causing them to miss.

[fierce zodiac]

What does the Sentry CPU Speed Booster do? Does it increase locking onto targets? Increase fire rate? Other?

[floral acorn]

lockon time decreased for all sentries

hover mouse over the text on the right, popup will explain a bit

[fierce zodiac]

Ahh thank you

[craggy pier]

can someone please explain which terminals on this map can be the terminals to start corrupted uplink and which terminals can be the endpoint for the uplink? (for overload C3) https://imgur.com/pZnnJgR

[minor fractal]

The yellow ones.

One per zone, across two zones.

[craggy pier]

thanks

[minor fractal]

Get to the first terminal you can and ping the first terminal, there are like 3-4 options per zone.

[craggy pier]

it tells you which terminals to go to in top left objective right? then you look for another yellow terminal it tells you to go to?

[minor fractal]

Yep.

[craggy pier]

ok thanks

[lethal hinge]

Coming back after a long break
Does the "damage multiplier if y ou hit them from the back" still exist ?
was hearing split opinions on this.

[icy nacelle]

There are indeed only 4, as you only need 4. You use the first to open the checkpoint door into Zone 13(?), and then the other three are used to open 3 Zones of your choosing to get the GLPs, as each zone has 3 GLPs in it.

You can either go for Zone 14 (15+16), Zone 17 (18+19) or can open both 14 And 17 Then opt for either 15/18 Afterwards (the latter methods allow you to do the team scans for both doors before triggering the error).

You don't need to go do 17 If you've presumably done 14/15/16 Then. If you've finished the GLP Hunt then the Warden door in the previous room (where you used the first cell to open Zone 13) will now be open.

[rigid sinew]

Friendly reminder that some people forget to use terminals at all

[icy nacelle]

Yes, in the room with the Zone 13 Door there's that other door (the Warden door) that was previously unusable. Now that you've done the GLPs it should be open with no scan and it's a checkpoint door.

[soft crater]

Yes

It doesnt exist for sentries anymore though

[lethal hinge]

Aha, thank you !

[soft crater]

More rather that was supposedly a bug

[sage flax]

mislabeled as a bug, but back sentry damage was op af

[lethal hinge]

Yeah, it feels very strong as it is now

[night sage]

any tips for c1? me and 2 other are trying it with a bot but we can't even get past the class s 1 alarm

[turbid horizon]

Captain Alpha has a really good guide on C1

General advice though; My group ran 1 of each tool, and in general a PDW can be really helpful for the dense fog.

[turbid horizon]

Make sure you lower the fog before starting the S1 scan as well

[night sage]

ooooh i see yeah that'll probably help a lot 💀

does one mine deployer, two sentries, and a bioscan sound good or should we do one sentry and one c foam?

[vital sierra]

c foam usually good for that 1 scan

[autumn flint]

We only realized that we could lower the fog after we did the S1, god damn it hurt

Such a big open area in front of us too, the game literally wanted us to lower the fog

[dark fern]

b3 tool loadout recommendation?

[ruby wasp]

one of each works fine

2 sentries + 1 bio + foam works as well

[soft crater]

Imo 2 Sniper or 2 Burst

Shotgun sentry having 40 ammo like Sniper sentry just really lacking

[distant gate]

who else misses R1 shotgun sentry?

[turbid horizon]

My group decided on 2 sentry + bio + mines bc of the very few alarm doors you can foam

[vital sierra]

there is not that much alarm anyway

[limber quest]

Any C3 advice for past the first timer security door?

[distant gate]

main or overload
the 10 min or 20 min?

[limber quest]

10 min first but the overload would be helpful as well.

[distant gate]

have every one carry a cfoam grenade. have bio tracker find a path and lead the team. cfoam scouts kill asap. get to armory and back to checkpoint all in 10 mins. For the 20 min timer, close and mine a door for every wave if you can.

[ruby wasp]

It wasn't about cfoaming doors

Rather cfoaming the ground

[limber quest]

Got it thanks.

[silver fable]

I've toyed with the idea of double bio for b3pe

combine with either sentry mines or sentry cfoam

a single burst sentry should suffice for the alarms, with decent funnel setups

[dark fern]

oh we have a bot for the bio tracking stuff

the last secondary data cube is giving us a lot of problem tho

[silver fable]

it shouldn't, it's not that bad

I think the place that you get dropped when you enter the third one is a good holding place

drop sentries and shoot

[dark fern]

we just brought guns that are really shit at shooting flyers

[silver fable]

maybe double sentry if you're struggling

the semis are good at shooting flyers

and well, just good in general

i.e. hel revo, dmr, pistol

for specials against flyers, try deagle, choke shotty, maybe MG or HAR

oh also revolver should be good against flyers

[signal spear]

for us 25 FPS gamers, full-auto guns are the only choice. PDW + MG... FTW

[tardy ingot]

what for tho?
The ending?
I personally feel like you get the same „help“ by just having sentrys pre placed on the path of extract to kill chargers (and smalls). Then mine the door to extract.

I feel like it wouldnt be much different from a good bio player , since you dont need to split

[keen drum]

alright boys, what is the best way to do the ending of B3. I wasn't able to do it and I'm stuck

[viscid wolf]

grab the turbine go back

that's really it

keep shooting

[shrewd dirge]

b3 extreme or just main?