odd cosmos
no idea what that is, but i guess ill find out soon xd, second question though, is there somewhere a sensitivity converter. would love to have the same as my other fps games, but i cant seem to find one
#gtfo-related-questions
covert apex
shrewd dirge
gotta dm it
stark spade
press alt + F4 
fleet vessel
A3 had a ClassV Dim door, right?
viscid wolf
I don't know I've never played it
viscid wolf
press alt + F4 <:PirateSimon:621817514388750377>
if only some people were being helpful >:(
shrewd dirge
simply run backwards for a significant speed boost to trivialize the game.
karmic swift
hey, i know this game recommends more than 4 gigs of ram, but i was able to play both A-tier levels without much of a hitch. but when me and my mates got to B-tier, it's when my PC started freezing like crazy
does anyone know the reason?
shrewd dirge
levels get bigger generally the deeper you go.
shrewd dirge
why do you only have 4gb of ram?
karmic swift
my ram sticks died on me a couple of weeks ago, this 4gb stick is the only spare i have
shrewd dirge
ah, rip.
craggy pier
Me when R2D1 + pre optimization patch + 4 gigs of ram 😩
minor fractal
That was me R1.
Enemies stuttered like mad.
Recoil was also very different because it straight up didn't load properly.
velvet juniper
Do the monsters in GTFO have official names or are there just placeholders the devs use internally to distinguish them?
I know the tendril one is called the scout a lot
exotic lantern
Sleepers, Scouts etc
they all have names just alot of them arent referenced ingame?
not too sure
velvet juniper
Right but the shooty scouts vs the melee ones
minor fractal
There's names in-files and the characters give some names, but the majority are just whatever people feel like.
velvet juniper
Do they have individual names to tell them apart
distant ice
According to devs whatever the community names them is their name
keen solar
Whatever you like to call them
distant ice
If you go to wiki you'll find the names of all
stark spade
the in-game file names are weird (some of them anyways)
velvet juniper
I guess if you leave them unknown it makes it a bit spookier
keen solar
The name that put in the file is what they would call during testing
velvet juniper
@stark spade like what
keen solar
They don’t want to name them officially
stark spade
no data mining allowed in this channel 
minor fractal
I mean, you can in spoiler chat.
velvet juniper
I bought GTFO a while ago because it was super cool looking and seemed awesome... can’t play it
Wait what’s data mining
keen solar
Not a good thing to do 💩
stark spade
pretty interesting though and fun
velvet juniper
How is reading file names data mining.... wait
ooooh
Okay..... next question
how do I play gtfo on a potato
I’m at that midpoint where my computer works fine on the processing front but seems to struggle with games that likes to make use of new-gen graphics
It also doesn’t help that I’m playing on a mac
velvet juniper
Yep. Heard it 20 thousand and one times
it is that it’s a pretty decent computer that runs 2 operating systems.
I feel that if GTFO was supported on MacOS natively I’d be a lot better off
fleet vessel
Right but the shooty scouts vs the melee ones
what you mean is melee sleepers and ranged sleepers
scouts are exclusively the tentacle bois
keen solar
Scout is a female 
tacit zealot
Tried bootcamp on mac to play GTFO once, got 7 frames, definetly not a thing.
I don't think they're going to ever implant MAC support
ruby wasp
Hi, regarding the patch note's last fix "Fix for allowing multiple ongoing Uplinks at the same time. ", does it mean it is now possible to start multiple uplinks at once, or the opposite (fixing a bug that allowed people to start multiple uplinks at once) please ?
topaz anvil
I believe its the latter
ruby wasp
thx 😳
vital sierra
no more speedrun?
topaz anvil
Just do uplink faster
indigo quiver
Does the head have a hit box? I’ve shot through my teammates head with a HEL round multiple times now and they took no damage
viscid wolf
not for teammates
distant ice
Inb4 that meme man notices patch and asks toggle sprint
shrewd dirge
Fix toggle crouch
ruby wasp
Was the lack of class 7 alarm on C3 intended by the devs ?
Or is it a bug ?
Or has it been moved to extreme or something like that ?
viscid wolf
lack?
ruby wasp
I was watching some C3 streams & noticed there were no class 7 alarm on the last door before the uplinks
idk if that's a bug or if that was intended
rapid dock
Is the feedback from the top % of GTFO players, who completed every E1 level, all levels from every Rundown since release taken any seriously?
viscid wolf
I was watching some C3 streams & noticed there were no class 7 alarm on the last...
maybe it got nerfed or something I'm not too sure
I think there was only 1 though
knotty mauve
there should be a class 7 leading into Z377
viscid wolf
Is the feedback from the top % of GTFO players, who completed every E1 level, al...
I don't think they really categorize people whove beaten E1 and people who haven't
they do take feedback though
indigo quiver
there should be a class 7 leading into Z377
Yep. That’s where it was for me. Mixed class VII
azure anvil
need help with a3
you need some passwords which you get from some files i assume
but when you write read it needs a file name
i have no clue how to figure out the file name
any help?
valid valve
i was having the same problem i could apreciate help
spark wolf
use the logs command
stray quarry
Hello, we've encountered an issue where on A1 we've lifted the lockdown
But the door to Zone 64 has not been opened
Is this a bug or is there something we've missed?
Because it feels like we've been doing the same thing every time and the door opened fine
midnight gazelle
But the door to Zone 64 has not been opened
Was there a host migration?
midnight gazelle
Yeah, host migration messes with the game a lot.
That's why the door is still closed
stray quarry
I see, so we should do a full reset?
midnight gazelle
That's all I can really recommend. Either way, you should still do a bug report in #bug-reporting
stray quarry
Got it, thank you
dense granite
Oh my god it’s Flaaaaaaaareeee
viscid wolf
whos that
midnight gazelle
Good question.
still gyro
hey quick question for b2 does both generator doors have a class iv alarm?
spark wolf
yes
still gyro
is anyone better than the other?>
spark wolf
the distribution of the objective items is somewhat random
so that might effect the path you'd want to take
but one of the alarms will mostly be in fog
so maybe you'd just want to skip that one no matter what
you might have to do an extra blood door if so
still gyro
k
strong cradle
Hi everyone, played my first games with some people from lfg yesterday, was super fun. I loaded in solo today cause I had a few minutes and wanted to practice just some stealth kills on sleepers. For some reason I wasn’t seeing them glow like I was last night. Do they only noticeably glow in the dark? If there’s light in the room do you just have to go off of them moving and twitching. Thanks!
still gyro
wait is b2 a silent extraction?
shrewd dirge
if it was loud, it was unremarkable.
still gyro
ok
craggy pier
Hi everyone, played my first games with some people from lfg yesterday, was supe...
If it's just starting its' glow state it won't visibly glow for the first few moments
But it'll always glow
craggy pier
definitely harder to see the glow in bright areas
Even in fog
Better to go off of sound rather than trying to see them glow
shrewd dirge
yes, spatial audio in this game is very fair.
learn to listen for croaking.
craggy pier
If you want to be extra safe, flash the whole room with a LRF or a gun that has a longer ranged light
shrewd dirge
wavecalls are also spatial.
shrewd dirge
4:3 low res left ear only minimum fov gamemode when
heady ledge
Newb to gtfo here. Can I get a little info on boosters? Specifically how you aquire them
craggy pier
Booster progression = 1 you get 1 booster
Each level's heat go down when you collect artifacts on the level you're playing
Say A1 you collect some, your artifact heat goes down in A1
heady ledge
Much obliged
tacit zealot
Will cocoon rooms repop if I am still in the same zone?
covert apex
no
tacit zealot
ty
covert apex
not until your 2 room aways
tacit zealot
Is that in a different zone? Like what if I am 3 rooms away but in the same zone, will it repop?
covert apex
yes
tacit zealot
ty
stark spade
rooms only respawn if your two rooms away and in a different zone
midnight gazelle
It's two rooms away even if you're in the same zone.
stark spade
you need to be in a different zone
distant ice
Don't think i got prenerf a1 to respawn in the same zone
valid onyx
Can I just ask what is the best loadout?
craggy pier
Dmr Sniper
pale topaz
Really depends on what guns you like. And if you focus bigs or smalls
vital sierra
depend on you and the level
viscid wolf
or you could bring hel rifle
valid onyx
I am new to the game so idk what is best low level weapon with lots of ammo cuz i miss most of my shots so a sniper is not a weapin for me
spark wolf
machinepistol
just use it for things that are right in front of you
assault rifle if you still want range
topaz anvil
DMR :^)
valid onyx
Ok ty
midnight gazelle
I am new to the game so idk what is best low level weapon with lots of ammo cuz ...
machine pistol is very low damage but high ammo. SMG is also high ammo as-well with a bit more damage, you could try SMG
fallen bramble
SMG does have high ammo capacity but when i'm in front of a horde it feels like I run out very fast
plain spire
it's 50 to 40, isn't it?
midnight gazelle
i never use SMG anymore ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fallen bramble
which is better, SMG or Heavy SMG?
valid onyx
Ok I will try everything you told me
rain python
SMG if you want more wave control. Heavy SMG has some good killing power but lacks ammo in mag so you’ll be reloading a lot
plain spire
any recommendations for main weapons against ||chargers||? tired of what i'm using
finite plinth
viscid wolf
hel rifle
plain spire
assignment failed
viscid wolf
hel rifle is the only main weapon
plain spire
i wish
viscid wolf
don't use any gun other than the hel rifle
fleet vessel
hel rifle is actually god-tier against chargers tho
line up 1-2 of em and blast away
it's only like 2-3 hits and they are dead and it hits all of em in a row
steel valley
it's only like 2-3 hits and they are dead and it hits all of em in a row
rifle oneshots chargers, gun twoshots
fleet vessel
a
indigo quiver
Pistol is a Pretty good gun in terms of everything but damage right?
spark wolf
or 2 shot
exotic lantern
^
distant ice
Measuring damage with kill efficiency 
It's good in damage efficiency
Range is its main weakness
vocal aurora
do you guys think this game is worth picking up during the sale? it looks interesting and I've heard it's hard, but I don't mind so long as it has good replay ability to it
distant ice
I challenge you to find a person in here who would say no
indigo quiver
I challenge you to find a person in here who would say no
no
vocal aurora
I saw Markiplier play forever ago, but I kinda forgot about it. Plus I'm concerned with the learning curve, or the communities willingness to teach me
distant ice
Say seriously
indigo quiver
seriously
distant ice
Thank
indigo quiver
thank
distant ice
Anyway
Community teaches people all the time
If it clicks you'll have 100 hours in no time
Worth trying out at the very least
indigo quiver
anyways. enough fucking around. id say go for it. even if you dont have friends who play it. itll give you a good. 200 hours just learning each level
plus, friendly people
(mostly)
vocal aurora
anyways. enough fucking around. id say go for it. even if you dont have friends ...
one of my friends said he'd buy it to play as well, but we don't play as often as we did in school. so it would be solo play or with some people from here
distant ice
It is for some people
indigo quiver
there is no player scaling so you will get the same amountt of enemies whether you are one person or 4
midnight gazelle
one of my friends said he'd buy it to play as well, but we don't play as often a...
It's not really recommended for new players to try playing with less than 4 players. If you can't find a full team, there is LFG and Matchmaking. It's really easy to find games using LFG, not so much on MM.
vocal aurora
It's not really recommended for new players to try playing with less than 4 play...
I think I'll try it out, I just hope it sticks lol
I always prefer groups over solo when learning tough games such as this
midnight gazelle
I enjoy playing in groups as-well
indigo quiver
dont let the space cop influence your opinion
but try it out for yourself. good luck
gleaming hollow
how do you kill the enemies with a melee without them waking up?
like if theres a few close to each other, like punching and hug range hehe
fading tangle
bop them in the back of the head if they're small enough
if they're big it takes more than one player
unless you roid out with a syringe
minor fractal
If you're not behind the second sleeper, you can either half-charge them or go for a partial charge on the head, use the stagger to partial charge the body for another stagger, then a quick third hit kills. Double tap hit if it's a shooter.
indigo quiver
how do you kill the enemies with a melee without them waking up?
hit them in the Occiput with a half second hammer charge (like, click and let go.) and they go down (the little guys at least)
fading tangle
you don't even have to charge for the small enemies
indigo quiver
nope
gleaming hollow
but like if they next to each they wake up
fading tangle
just if you're hitting them in the head from the frontt
indigo quiver
but like if they next to each they wake up
how to double tap: hit in Occiput, move, hit in Occiput
there you go, 2 sleepers killed before they scream
fading tangle
you get enough time to do a half charge to hit the second enemy, since they typically have a short animation of them waking up
minor fractal
but like if they next to each they wake up
That's what we're talking about.
If you're behind it especially, it does an animation when it wakes up that you can use to get easy kills.
if you're in-front of it, you'll have to make use of its attack animation instead.
fading tangle
shoving to stagger them can give you a chance to hit them in the back of the head but it's risky
minor fractal
Apparently you can time a shove to cancel scream and they'll take a long while to try it again?
pearl badger
or you can spam shove to bring him out of the room and kill him there?
(really tedious, but safe method)
minor fractal
Not that safe imo, if you do it too long it will eventually get a scream in between shoves.
pearl badger
thats if you mistime your shoves
just practice it on a single lonely ennemy and just "bully" it
if you time your shoves well, you will have 0 gaps for it to scream
craggy pier
can you only beat a stage pe so many times? my overload and pe count isnt goin up anymore after completion.
iron vine
I suppose the counter can go up to 99. But if you do PE that should count
stark spade
The completion counter can go past 99. (I don’t know what the max is for the level)
spark wolf
per expedition counters will keep going
the total counter is for your completions within the rundown
which won't have any dupes
craggy pier
im having issues finishing a3. i have finished overload and extreme i found the terminal it wants me to find to get password and the lst terminal the password is pr-- its noting giving me the last 2 letter an not telling me what to do to find them?
young pagoda
you need two terminals
one has the first half, one has the second half of the password
craggy pier
i have located both, how do i get the rest of the password
young pagoda
both in zone 43?
craggy pier
no one was 43 other was 40
craggy pier
two of the same terminals with same number?
young pagoda
...no
there are four total terminals I believe in zone 43. two of them half one half of the password
craggy pier
ok, what do i type to locaqte it or how do i know which it will be?
young pagoda
you can go to the terminal you need to extract the datacore from to get the terminals you need
then just run the logs commands on the needed terminals and read the logs
craggy pier
where im confused is its only givin me 2 terminals it say to get the password and your saying i need 3?
young pagoda
on one of the terminals in the main zone, it will list two needed terminals. on another, it will list one needed terminal
craggy pier
ok the middle terminal is saying the same term as the other thats why i only have 2?
there giving the same number for same password
craggy pier
both terminals say use the same terminal to get password
young pagoda
how many logs are on that one terminal
craggy pier
i dont understand how to tell that they both only say key01 or only key02
pretty sad i can solo almost everything on overload but cant figure out the damn terminal i whsi they would make this easier
young pagoda
could you send me a picture of the password terminal list?
craggy pier
list or log?
young pagoda
log
well... both
the terminals that have the passwords and the logs on the terminals
craggy pier
term one wants pw from term 465. 2nd term wants pw from 408 and 465. 465 is only giving me one pw
stark spade
does terminal 465 only have one log?
stark spade
hmm. you may just have to try and guess the password then. You have part of it right?
young pagoda
prop
pron
those are all I can think of
oh wait
pray
prey
that's about it I think
craggy pier
can only guess few at timne i was duoing and friend had to leave im gettting infected when i put turbine down lol
craggy pier
i have had alot of bugs this week from red box not showing for coop matches to cell not registering for 30mins
o and bioscan kept restarting on term earlier
subtle nimbus
is there a free spot? if you send me lobby code i might be able to join and figure it out for you
craggy pier
im pretty sure its a glitch both terms want the password from same place. i ahev never had it do that before
craggy pier
im about to fall asleep i gotr like 4 hrs in this stage lol.
subtle nimbus
is there a free spot? if you send me lobby code i might be able to join and figu...
@craggy pier
young pagoda
if there isn't it's probably a bug
def seems like one
craggy pier
its cool m8. my eyes are watering so bad i can hardly read. might just end and start agin in a few hrs
viscid wolf
go take a nap and leave your computer on
craggy pier
i guessed the pw lmfao it was prop
viscid wolf
nice
craggy pier
what do you type to cvopy files?
stark spade
extract_datacore or something
craggy pier
thats it ty
craggy pier
im use to duoing and my brother runs the terms lol
craggy pier
terse quiver
How do I download local files on the terminal?
keen solar
Go type “commands” and the code is at the bottom of that list
terse quiver
I just see read
keen solar
Can only download it in the centre zone where the three terminals are in line
rare wedge
Any1 tested if you can 1hit-on body(at all) big shooter/striker /scout with the +24%melee dmg Bold arti ?
keen solar
Can't even do it with 50% so no
spark wolf
you can bodyshot scout from the back
fallen bramble
you can?
spark wolf
with the buff
they're pretty bad boosters
ruins your muscle memory about how much charge things take
and i guess they thought melee damage would be way too op so they gave them the shittiest conditions
it's in bioscan or low health
exotic lantern
low health isnt bad considering some people are just 20 health gamers
keen solar
Good for the first part of E1 but then it becomes completely useless
spark wolf
no it's incredibly bad
because if you're doing well and not getting hit
you don't get any use out of your booster
intentionally taking damage so you can use your boosters 🗿
i do appreciate that <40 is actually <=40
distant ice
Or our 40 is actually 39.9999
lost umbra
anyone having connectivity issue this few day?
still gyro
hey can i get someone that can join then disconnect one of my teammates has found a spot where he just is stuck and disconnecting and reconnecting doesnt work for him
woeful kiln
is there a way to force change the lobby ID my lobby got a host change because he had to leave and now nobody can join
midnight gazelle
is there a way to force change the lobby ID my lobby got a host change because h...
If there was a host migration, it is very likely that entire run is dead. If you arent able to copy the lobby code from the esc menu or you can and it doesnt let anyone join, best bet is to just restart..
Either way, host migrations really messes up the game so you'll probably have to restart anyway.
woeful kiln
the run wasn't dead the only glitches we had was 1 extreme bulkhead door open and 1 person couldn't take any artefacts
well that sucks we had completed overload objective
midnight gazelle
@woeful kiln What lvl
woeful kiln
C2
midnight gazelle
Damn.. that sucks
woeful kiln
yeah second PE attempt 😔
midnight gazelle
Im down to play C2 with u
woeful kiln
😮
late cape
what does PE stand for
craggy pier
.t sector
uneven gulchBOT
Sorry, unable to find a tag named sector.
craggy pier
.t sectors
uneven gulchBOT
Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
High (Main Sector)
Extreme (Second Sector)
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)
Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time. In order to unlock certain tiers you will need to satisfy their sector requirements.
craggy pier
@late cape this should explain everything for you.
late cape
thanks
what do you call the default main objective @craggy pier
like when you're doing lfg
craggy pier
It's called High
late cape
ok thanks
tropic lava
Is IIX double or triple dmg?
indigo quiver
increased
as in it can full charge kill a Giant Striker
assuming you dont have any boosters equipped
spark wolf
seems to be triple
tropic lava
Right. But increased by how much? Because I can one-tap a giant which makes me think its 3-fold. But I can't one tap a hybrid or a charger
But at the same time I can only one tap with back of head. But not for the other 2?
covert apex
Right. But increased by how much? Because I can one-tap a giant which makes me t...
Would probably bring their health down to half a charge i would guess
Since 2 full chargers can perfectly get rid of a hybrid
covert apex
don't they have more health than a regular big striker?
tropic lava
or are they
They aren't. Neither are big shooters. Which is what makes me wonder.... Is it really threefold? Or is it just double?
knotty mauve
It is 3x damage
fleet vessel
It’s threefold
covert apex
They aren't. Neither are big shooters. Which is what makes me wonder.... Is it r...
I mean big shooters do have a weird ass hitbox
fleet vessel
Those have more health
knotty mauve
Hybrids and big shooters have 25% more HP than big strikers
fleet vessel
Wasn’t sure on Hybrids
covert apex
Doesn't make sense though
Considering it only takes two charges for a hybrid if done correctly
spark wolf
because of the multi on the head
knotty mauve
Because you're doing occiput damage
spark wolf
being higher
knotty mauve
And that
covert apex
Will using a syringe and head damage one tap it as well then?
knotty mauve
2x for hybrids, 1.5x for big strikers
spark wolf
and you being able to keep using the head hitbox
knotty mauve
Occiput with syringe will one shot yes
viscid wolf
do hel weapons lose damage from over penetration?
midnight gazelle
I dont think so
craggy pier
do hel weapons lose damage from over penetration?
No
weary mesa
sadly they don't
knotty plover
just looking at steam profile background with different character designs, anybody know why they changed?
lusty bramble
Those are pictures from their college years
terse quiver
what do the numbers mean below each completed level
viscid wolf
they show how many of each sector you have completed
viscid wolf
[High, Extreme, Overload, Prisoners Efficiency]
[1, 1, 0, 0] means you have completed high once and extreme once
[21, 7, -, -] means you have completed high 21 times and extreme 7 times and the dashes mean overload/pe doesn't exist (well you can't have pe without overload)
terse quiver
makes sense thank you
fading thistle
any good learning resources? im new
stark spade
there are some youtube videos that may help you
viscid wolf
professor scaler has 2 1 hour long videos if you want
fading thistle
okay, thanks!
broken zinc
What are the requirements to get the "Prisoners Efficiency" in a level?
stark spade
complete high, extreme, overload in one match
broken zinc
Thanks 👍
fleet hawk
I have a question about the difficulty of the different missions
vital sierra
what's it
fleet hawk
after rebirth the earlier missions became much harder with more enemy types, before it i think there was only the (grunt) enemies
vital sierra
there are no changes to the enemy spawn
only in C1 where they nerf the enemy spawn
they changed from all hybrid to normal giants and some hybrid
and 1 more thing, the amount of enemy spawn are randomize
only in a certain zone in a certain level will be static
distant ice
He probably means r4-r5
I don't know what you mean by grunt but i couldn't say it changed really
Apart from one specific sector
For a tier, and b tier did get a few others that weren't there in previous rundowns
fleet vessel
I think chargers being in B-tier - in fact a ||6-charger error in B3 is definitely more difficult and new|| - is not entirely new, but much more prevalent. Hybrids were in some of the B missions in R4 too, albeit I think slightly less hybrids overall.
R4A and R4B definitely had scouts, giants, chargers and hybrids, just maybe not as many chargers and hybrids as R5B. Not much of a change, and not "more variety" - I don't think there's a ||mom or dad|| in B tier, right?
but definitely not "only grunt" enemies (strikers and shooters)
keen solar
We have Papa in B as well
fleet vessel
ah, I remember someone saying that ye.
So, from R4B to R5B, what was added? I think in R4 the first papa was in C1, not sure tho - so in R5B the new things are just chargers and papas?
weary mesa
I'm just glad that they remembered to have a guaranteed scout in A mains this rundown
kind of dumb that all previous rundowns A levels had guaranteed scouts but r4 didn't
I'm talking about before R4 extension btw
fleet vessel
true
minor fractal
I think they were just experimenting with how difficult they wanted the main layers to be on A tier, and they decided they wanted it to be very easy.
Of course, alarms are by far the hardest part for new players imo.
Probably didn't mean much for anyone besides that one group I saw complain that a scout on A tier was just too much.
distant ice
I took r4 a as same shit that r5 a2 overload was
They wanted to make them go woah with that layer
Make an impression
Scout is a big woah for first timers
lusty bramble
A birther that insta alerts with anti rush seems like a much bigger woah than a single scout, at least for newer players
minor fractal
It's not really that bad if you have a combat shotgun, but there's not a whole lot of tools in general to deal with them, I agree.
lusty bramble
This would be the first instance of a birther for newer players
Unless they skip the overload I guess?
I'm very unfamiliar with how progression in difficulty is supposed to be for newer players
If people go by tier or by layer
distant ice
People aren't told how to do it, part of the confusion
minor fractal
I dunno about expectation, but newer players are probably best off doing main objectives until at least C tier.
distant ice
The only suggestion is requirements that say overload on a tier is like what, required for d tier?
When in reality it's complete baloney
A tier extremes don't even approach b tier high
Overload i would say doesn't either
lusty bramble
I'm fine with introducing enemy variants in earlier tiers, but I couldn't imagine the confusion or learning curve around trying to have a steady curve of difficulty progression
minor fractal
Perhaps, but I feel like the main objectives on B tier should at least get people accustomed to the game before they start going for the full completions.
distant ice
I don't think the devs have it figured out either
minor fractal
Tbh, I feel like the main issue w/ A1s rn is that their side objectives aren't hard but they're long.
lusty bramble
When layers used to not exist, there was at least some element of progression through tiers
distant ice
Maybe layers should be barred behind some reqs like tiers are
But how would that be explained
minor fractal
They should probably settle for shorter extremes at the same difficulty or make them considerably harder to indicate more clearly to newer players what the layers are about.
lusty bramble
Like being locked in game?
distant ice
I mean like you can't enter overload here until you've done or completed some other shit
lusty bramble
Would direct newer players, sure, but would be frustrating for veteran players
distant ice
Mhm
minor fractal
-Me, getting every objective combo...
lusty bramble
That's what layers were in the first place right? To bridge that gap, offering a decent level experience for both sides
minor fractal
They're pretty necessary, though, no?
They're the time sink for people who need things to do.
Tbh, though, I wouldn't mind if A1 had no layers on any rundown.
Might also help move veteran players away from A1.
lusty bramble
There's that sort of fallacy of choice since I don't think people really choose to do a single layer instead of an entire level
distant ice
Choosing design implementation:
Fucks with natural progression order - check
Tied to actual progression when supposed to be optional - check
Gets people instantly tired of tiles and objectives that we already have few of - check
Inflates the shit out of the length of levels - check
Alright boys we're going with this design
minor fractal
It's hard to say if R1A1 was more oriented towards new players and people teaching new players because there were less good players or if because now there's more reason for experienced players to be there.
strange skiff
Layers could be fine if we only needed High to unlock next Tier.
I have time, but I can understand people don't want to sink in 2h30 in a run because they have to do it if they want to unlock further tier
lusty bramble
Yeah but high isn't exactly any form of difficulty progression either since it's been watered down for layers sake
lusty bramble
I think a decent solution is to do what they did for the extension
Have fewer layers
Not every level needs a layer
minor fractal
I think R5's layers are mostly fine, though.
lusty bramble
B1 extreme
strange skiff
I like layer in R5 too. They make the levels interesting (B1 ext is an exception, don't focus on this one)
lusty bramble
D1 extreme
spark wolf
if the optional objective doesn't affect the main objective it could simply have been it's own main objective in another expedition
minor fractal
R4's layers felt really dull, probably because they were very new, but R5 doesn't use as many layers and a considerably larger portion of the layers it has have varied content.
lusty bramble
If a layer isn't really implemented with the flow of the level in mind, it does nothing but adds length
spark wolf
if it does.. well that's just what a difficulty mode would do too
distant ice
Well I mean isn't that what some of them are though
lusty bramble
C3 extreme has been the better layer imo
distant ice
It's a difficulty mode
strange skiff
I mean, B3 ext, A2 overload don't add anything to the main level but I still think they're good
minor fractal
I don't think it's a problem at all to have an extra "level" attached, especially on a D tier.
lusty bramble
A2 overload is in line with A2s pacing
strange skiff
They're good because they're fast imo
While B1 ext doesn't add anything to the map and it's a drag
minor fractal
and on D1 it does have consequences for the main objective.
distant ice
Problem is my personal preference is a short difficult level
minor fractal
Extra route they spawn from and infection fog.
lusty bramble
Ehhhh
distant ice
Doesn't feel as bad failing 10 times in the same spot 
distant ice
Dark souls but if you die you restart the game
minor fractal
Also, aren't some of the main objectives built to be short but hard?
minor fractal
I think that's also the point of having very hard sections that kick off longer levels, so that you're repeating the hardest parts most often.
lusty bramble
It's something they learned from r2e1 yeah
strange skiff
I think that's also the point of having very hard sections that kick off longer ...
except D1 ext
minor fractal
except D1 ext
Right, not all of the levels are like that, I'm just saying that this is the idea for levels that work that way (R3D1, R4E1, R5B3, etc.)
distant ice
Separate the 2 sections into 2 levels
strange skiff
I think they're starting to have a really good grasp on what layer should be to a level.
Still a few adjusting to be done but overall I really like the direction they're going with.
And they added High only level, which is also great
distant ice
I wouldn't say that as a pattern when it's been a thing for 2 rundowns only
lusty bramble
Do extensions count as extra rundowns 🤔
minor fractal
I mean, almost everything that gets added to this game is pretty poorly implemented on the rundown it's added.
distant ice
Do extensions count as extra rundowns 🤔
Probably not? They can't deviate too much from the base rundown
strange skiff
Respawn was a mess for only 2 weeks and they patched it
distant ice
Saying it like it's completely fine now
strange skiff
I think it is yes
lusty bramble
Respawn is no longer a mess because less levels feature it
minor fractal
R1 was incredibly unbalanced throughout, infection felt pretty overused and unfair in R2, layers felt really lame a lot of the time in R4, etc.
lusty bramble
That was the bandaid fix they used for the extension
And no one plays base levels anyway 🤡
distant ice
It's just as unfinished as before, just made rarer
strange skiff
I think it's great. It allows them to design some new level we couldn't have before (like C1).
distant ice
I mean, almost everything that gets added to this game is pretty poorly implemen...
If only they talked about the shit they're planning to implement amirite
lusty bramble
They like to put errors in harder levels to make them harder
Errors don't work with respawn rooms
At least not at the moment
distant ice
R1 was incredibly unbalanced throughout, infection felt pretty overused and unfa...
I want to hear more about the unbalanced part
strange skiff
We don't have a level with both so it's okay ? Or am I missing somthing
strange skiff
I want to hear more about the unbalanced part
Destroy head and crouch walk kite them ?
minor fractal
Idk, I think their implementation of C1 after the changes is a lot closer to their vision of how respawn rooms can be used, although I do think the enemy density in the hub rooms is way too much.
strange skiff
2 rooms away for 15 seconds for a full density respawn?
I don't think it's 100% respawn room, but I could be wrong here
distant ice
Destroy head and crouch walk kite them ?
I mean yeah that's an option but it's a discussion like kiting n shit
Wanna hear about things other than that
lusty bramble
In my experience it's been 100%
That or I'm just blind to the small decrease in respawn
distant ice
2 rooms away for 15 seconds for a full density respawn?
Up to 15 seconds, instantly at the lowest
lusty bramble
Don't idle rooms, that's bad of you
You better be punished for taking a second to grab an ammo pack
I get the idea behind the rooms, they just seem very rough in implementation
strange skiff
C1 might be level you don't like, I can clearly understand that, but it doesn't change the fact only respawn make this kind of level possible
strange skiff
I think C1 Hub room are too punishing now, it was better with Hybrids instead of giants
Right now, you can have Big Guys or Chicken, and rng can really make your run easy or really hard
distant ice
Copy and paste the hub rooms and make the end a forward extraction
But it already is a level pasted twice 
lusty bramble
🤡
vital sierra
do making the level easier to access with tier better?
lusty bramble
What?
vital sierra
let's me explain
minor fractal
???????????????
vital sierra
my wording kinda
lusty bramble
Bye bye rayalot
vital sierra
so like
lusty bramble
Get owned
vital sierra
if you beat all A tier high only, you can play B high only and so on except D or E level
distant ice
I mean looking in retrospect you can find any number of problems since you're comparing it to the shit we have now
But with what they had then
It looked very well made
lusty bramble
It's difficult to compare rundowns because of how perspective and design change
Especially with context
minor fractal
Gee, how dare I have played the game since R1.
distant ice
Wat
lusty bramble
???
minor fractal
Some mod fucking deleted that.
lusty bramble
Oh your message delete lol
distant ice
What on earth
strange skiff
if you beat all A tier high only, you can play B high only and so on except D or...
Does that mean you need to do A Extreme to unlock B extreme ?
minor fractal
Fine, I'll repost.
distant ice
What part of that broke the rules 
minor fractal
D1 was basically C3, C2 was roughly the same difficulty.
vital sierra
Does that mean you need to do A Extreme to unlock B extreme ?
ye
minor fractal
C1 was very easy to trivialize w/ the right set up of shotgun sentry and didn't ramp much, it was just 8 codes of the same thing over and over.
lusty bramble
Does that mean you need to do A Extreme to unlock B extreme ?
Would work if there was some element of scale or progression in terms of both layers and tiers
But often it's hit or miss
minor fractal
B1 was roughly the same difficulty as A1.
R2 considerably increased the difficulty from R1, and it's not surprising at all considering how easy R1 was.
strange skiff
ye
Could be interesting.
I proposed getting rid of the layer requirement in order to access deeper level, but I could see how people having just done B High and unlocking D tier will be confused at the difficulty spikes and complain about it.
So I like your proposition
lusty bramble
God forbid people are able to post organized text blocks so messages don't flood and ruin the context of what people are trying to say
vital sierra
Could be interesting.
I proposed getting rid of the layer requirement in order ...
i mean, you can make it so D or E level need more requirement
minor fractal
I can literally post a screenshot of the absurd number of completions I have from back in R1.
I can also answer almost any question you would have about it.
distant ice
God forbid people are able to post organized text blocks so messages don't flood...
R1 was not a thing stop breaking the multiverse
minor fractal
I know a huge amount about every level from back then.
strange skiff
i mean, you can make it so D or E level need more requirement
Case of R5 extension, if you need all A & B & C to unlock D, with extension release, you could do only A & B (cause 2 new levels) and unlock D.
But that's a specific case
distant ice
What you say sounds more like if we got r1 now
I'm not sure what's the right way to talk about it
minor fractal
Sure, at the time it was definitely not that bad.
spark wolf
R1A1 static cfoam grenade 
minor fractal
I'd say D1 was the biggest weakness at the time.
lusty bramble
Someone stands on the other side of the map and the ai breaks
minor fractal
R1A1 static cfoam grenade <:Pekora_Salute:827223530054877184>
Flashbacks of collecting 4+ c-foam grenades for the class IV set-up.
minor fractal
Ehhhhhhh, D1 wasn't that unique imo.
lusty bramble
In context the middle was about in line of what the rundown had a lot of
minor fractal
By the end of the Rundown I had a strat to skip all but two side zones and still have 60-80% sentries with a fuckton of mines.
lusty bramble
Exploration and that one damn tile they used 39 times in d1
distant ice
We're talking resources? How about no sidezones duo
minor fractal
Dayum.
lusty bramble
That's what was unique for me, the side zones were mostly optional
minor fractal
This was also when I met Neetralius, who would carry D1, even very early on, by running around the map for every alarm.
lusty bramble
You could play d1 straight through or you could take that time to explore and resource manage
distant ice
I meant start had the very close alarm with 0 doors and no resources but your initial shit, and a high scan level in comparison
The end was a new objective, new environmental hazard and a new enemy all in one
Hard to top that if you ask me
lusty bramble
It was definitely different yeah
minor fractal
It definitely wasn't a bad level at the time, it just wasn't very difficult for a D tier.
lusty bramble
I personally prefer what they're doing now, which is have the hardest level combine elements introduced earlier in the rundown
lusty bramble
Chargers didn't tongue 😢
minor fractal
They did, tho?
distant ice
They did
distant ice
Weren't so fkn long iirc tho
lusty bramble
That mightve been it then
minor fractal
I specifically remember avoiding shotgun on that level because I couldn't get close enough before getting tongued.
Ended up maining MG on C2.
lusty bramble
Auto dmr best gun
minor fractal
They do feel a lot worse nowadays, not sure whether it's actually changed or if it's just that enemies move faster in general now.
Not even sure if they benefited from the speed boost.
minor fractal
Oh, that too, didn't even think of that.
distant ice
I am fairly certain they didn't have tongues this damn long
In fact tongues worked differently overall in r1
They did a lot of turning n shit and felt slower
Look at some footage
What is propulsion referring to
minor fractal
Collision moving them forward faster.
minor fractal
I know some people liked it, but I couldn't stand it.
lusty bramble
There werent that many options
minor fractal
I preferred running MG so that I could solo defend at a choke.
distant ice
we're just spoiled now
lusty bramble
Plus lack of enemy variety meant weapons didn't really need to be that impactful
minor fractal
Getting chargers running through the trench and onto the platform wiped so many teams.
distant ice
pistol, ar, smg, dmr
cs, shotty, mg, rev, sniper
not sure if i'm forgetting something
distant ice
Plus lack of enemy variety meant weapons didn't really need to be that impactful
2 sack enemies (hate sack enemies) and a ton of variants you mean
oh right also hybrids
minor fractal
Feels like such a small roster nowadays.
distant ice
unless i'm forgetting something it doesn't feel too expanded to me
lusty bramble
It features more variants more frequently
Chargers are more common
Bigs are more common
minor fractal
I think it's more-so that their existing archetypes feature more variants, and also those archetypes are used far more often.
lusty bramble
There isn't too much variety but it is more common
minor fractal
Idk that bigs are more common?
distant ice
i don't count that as a good thing myself
minor fractal
Although maybe they're just easier to deal with.
lusty bramble
It means you have to balance weapons around enemy variant frequency
A main weapon one shotting strikers when strikers are the only thing you ever see is a bit much
But when there are other enemy variants in the mix, the niche feels more like a niche
distant ice
i'm not good enough at words or brain to argue here but i definitely feel like something more important was lost in the process
worthy trail
more like "do we take 2 or more hel rifles"
lusty bramble
Metas are metas
minor fractal
Tbqh, having too many HEL weapons can be a detriment.
Especially on expeditions where chargers exist but aren't the most frequent threat.
lusty bramble
You lose cc of smalls and ttk of bigs and bosses
minor fractal
i'm not good enough at words or brain to argue here but i definitely feel like s...
I kind of felt the same way back in the day, but not really anymore? I don't know if the exclusivity of certain content really benefited the game that much, I loved the rarity of scouts back in R1 but I don't think the game would have been better off continuing to do that.
lusty bramble
It's much better to frequent enemy variants
distant ice
I kind of felt the same way back in the day, but not really anymore? I don't kn...
yeah but levels are pasted, objectives are pasted, mechanics are pasted, alarms are pasted way too goddamn much, the way enemies were handled in R1 made them feel like they had purpose/intention, something special in all this pasting
minor fractal
Also, chargers are still one of the most interesting enemies in-game, I do think it's better that we have to deal with them regularly rather than them being relegated to 1 expedition in a rundown.
distant ice
and then all that went away
the fact that it felt like it was there and then not anymore felt like a design change and therefore something lost
minor fractal
You could argue, I suppose, that they could still use these enemy variants a lot while still being very intentional.
lusty bramble
I just want them to properly use environment tells
craggy pier
Different environments should have different enemies imho
lusty bramble
Wait nevermind I suppose they still do
minor fractal
I would argue, though, that they do still have very intentional usage of them.
distant ice
in different ways
lusty bramble
Ehh
distant ice
imagine a universe where gtfo didn't use the rundown concept and generated levels
lusty bramble
They still have bosses in their usual mandated spots
minor fractal
Like, R4C3 felt very intentional with where they had chargers and where they had shadows, I would argue.
distant ice
or one where 10cc actually expanded when they should have
lusty bramble
It's just that normal birthers are more of scout variants now
minor fractal
There was theme to different zones.
lusty bramble
They have charger ceiling for chargers and birther tumors for birthers and children
I don't really recall any other environment tells
minor fractal
I don't know if that's the issue, though?
lusty bramble
I guess dark zones for shadows?
distant ice
pairing shit decreases how often you can use it
lusty bramble
It helps with visual communication
distant ice
and makes suggestions like "hey what if we had this but with that instead" very common
minor fractal
Like, R2E1 felt pretty intentional in its use of shadow titans in that they were only ever found in the loot rooms of that map.
lusty bramble
Didn't you need a cell from the zones?
distant ice
just like layers are optional
feel like the depth of intention has really gone shallow
but maybe i'm reading into it too much
minor fractal
I do think it's shallower, but I don't think it's that shallow.
distant ice
it's just the things that come with the rundown concept and generated levels
biggest influence on other decisions
but those often cheapen everything
lusty bramble
Think of kds deep, right? To prevent players from using the first cell to skip all of kds deep, there's intentionally fog that caps your health so you're persuaded to use the first cell for the disinfection zone
Unless you're talking about a different kind of intention
minor fractal
It's more aesthetic intention.
lusty bramble
I see
minor fractal
So, like, certain enemies are used in certain ways, specific levels have limits on what they show you, etc.
For example, R5E1, despite being very good imo, doesn't really maintain any themes enemy-wise.
You eventually face everything.
lusty bramble
Both the mother room and the tank room are individually distinct and in line of what they did for r5d1
minor fractal
Sure, but you have a kind of "1 of everything" in this level.
lusty bramble
Which falls in line with what an e level should be
craggy pier
I think the tank could've been placed better in E1 imo
lusty bramble
That sort of collage of everything you experienced in the rundown
minor fractal
It feels fine gameplay-wise, but it's a different aesthetic compared to older rundowns.
craggy pier
I mean, by the time you got to R5E1 you've probably seen every enemy the game has?
lusty bramble
But to be fair, sacrificing aesthetic for gameplay isn't the worst thing to do
craggy pier
So there's no alternative to have a bit of everything in there?
minor fractal
but those often cheapen everything
It's most often side-objectives that are in-themselves not very interesting. I would argue that, more-often-than-not, there is still a lot of regulation going on with how a level is structured.
distant ice
it's more in the way that
lusty bramble
R4e1 extreme was a very good optional
distant ice
if you know this level will be gone forever in a few months
it impacts to what extent you want to go there
and if we're gonna have new levels constantly, an idea that's unique once will be repeated, guaranteed
and level generation generalizes levels
lusty bramble
That usually what new environments or new tile sets of existing environments does
Or are for
distant ice
as for this idea that E1 is the culmination of everything in that rundown, like some sort of requiem or ultimate for it
i understand it, but i don't agree with it
minor fractal
I would agree that, rn, there are not nearly enough unique tile clusters for each environment, and they invest a bit too much into the unique hand-placed rooms.
lusty bramble
I also agree that you'll tend to only see those repeated tile sets more with additional layered difficulties
craggy pier
Everyone probably prefers variety to just rearranging the same stuff
distant ice
computer-made levels have strict rules placed on them
human-made ones do too but not nearly as limiting
lusty bramble
I do think there needs to be an inbetween there, since level ideas and design are muddied or tamed through computer generated tiles
But this hasn't been an issue with new rundowns, it's been a thing since gtfo began
distant ice
we're far from just comparing old to new now
lusty bramble
Computer generated tiles sacrifice intention for the ability to easily make and create levels
Which the rundown system promotes, levels that are practically disposable
distant ice
maybe it'd be easier to talk about it if we talked about something much easier to digest, e.g. generated weapon stats
easy to define rules and understand
and to see that they'll all just blend together at some point
if unregulated there'd be horrible extremes too but our levels aren't completely rng
lusty bramble
Weapon balance and level design go hand in hand but they're completely two different topics
distant ice
rundown concept deletes unique levels in the way that players who missed it will complain if they missed it
distant ice
Weapon balance and level design go hand in hand but they're completely two diffe...
as a topic of human vs computer
lusty bramble
I see
distant ice
not anything else
lusty bramble
The rundown design doesn't really promote originality in that regard then?
If it's something they missed and it's something that's reused, it has no effect on the person who originally missed it
distant ice
i do think i remember a lot of players complaining in R3 that they didn't get to play R2E1 since it was unique then
also the whole achievements discussion took place around that time
not too related but similar in the way that they can't place achievements for completing R1 n shit
distant ice
maybe it'll give a better idea if i say it something like this:
players who were there then would want something special from it, but for players who weren't it's obviously unfair
a unique level is special
lusty bramble
In that sort of context, if every level is entirely unique, then there's more lost when that rundown inevitably dissappears
They sort of try and bridge that gap with remasters of old levels
distant ice
simply with the rundown design we can't have unique levels
lusty bramble
No you can, but not every level can be unique
All the e levels we've had are inherently unique
distant ice
not looking at the same scale here probably
lusty bramble
They offer similar but different experiences
distant ice
looking at all 5 rundowns i couldn't name a single level that really stands out for me
discarding subjective experiences
craggy pier
R1D1 and R2C2 
distant ice
discarding subjective experiences
topaz anvil
It's been here all along
lusty bramble
It's a hard thing to argue, since things standing out within a level is entirely subjective
distant ice
well it's clearly not a black&white thing but i look at these things with a sort of score system
lusty bramble
There can't really be an objective score system
foggy crypt
Is there a way to practice terminal commands? >~<
shrewd dirge
for a few commands there is no substitute for practical experience.
for the basic ones, just drop in solo to mess around
exotic lantern
i mean you can just do list u e_zone # and list all resources and objective items
shrewd dirge
get used to using tab key to complete long strings, and the up key to bring back previous commands
shrewd dirge
if you cant figure it out after reading this page closely, leave it to someone else.
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Terminal
foggy crypt
Lol
distant fjord
Hey all, quick question about C1, can you do the terminal in the back of the map first before doing the one in either 112 or 113 without setting off the permanent alarm?
craggy pier
Yes. It only goes off after the 2nd terminal. Oh god my english is so bad right now.
distant fjord
awesome thanks! We've been stuck on C1 for a while so hopefully doing the 1st terminal 2nd will be easier.
Appreciate it 🙂
craggy pier
awesome thanks! We've been stuck on C1 for a while so hopefully doing the 1st te...
Mhm, good luck. Just know that if you do Extreme that you do 112/113 then 116/117.
distant fjord
Ohh no we hate C1, doing the bare minimum and moving on lol
but thanks for the warning
knotty mauve
who doesnt hate C1?
craggy pier
I don't. I think it's nice q__q
distant fjord
Truth! lol love hte game but this map ohh god
tropic lava
C3 extreme? Seems kind of impossible to mash each wave on the way to extraction
hazy oak
I don't think C3 is too bad on extract. Hybrid in each spawn is the worst of it, yeah?
keen solar
He’s talking about extreme which turns into shadows error
pearl badger
yea but no hybrids in the C3 extreme one
keen solar
It does. It is just RNG
pearl badger
guess i was lucky
tropic lava
Yeah I get like one every wave, and every time the wave dies I get another one
Like its basically impossible
uncut ravine
can you turn the alarm off after getting hsu in extreme a3?
stark spade
no
uncut ravine
Is there any way you can do extreme after main on a3?
keen solar
nope
surreal zealot
Seem to always get some pretty bad luck with B1, all of the big sleepers seem to be in the first room or the next room. my group has gotten pretty flawless at the rest of the mission though, its just those occasional hiccups hammering scouts. Is there any good tips for getting that hsu? i know i ask this alot but fuck dude, keep running into more and more barriers xD.
steel valley
learn the terminal spawns
i forget the zone numbers, but the one with a large ramp has the terminal behind the large door all the way at the top of the ladder
whereas the other one has the terminal through an open passageway at the far back left of the first room
a good sniper can also help you clear out room far more quickly
surreal zealot
eh its just those big guys that spawn in there too, there was 5 in the literally the first room on our last run, by the time we finished them, the chargers showed up.
surreal zealot
guess we will just need to get lucky with the big guys spawning in the first or 2nd room
distant ice
the time between big charger waves is short, fighting them is unavoidable
but as long as you don't spare ammo the clearing is fast no matter what spawns you get
Can close and mine a door if you think it's necessary
surreal zealot
not so much the chargers is the trouble for my group, its just the big guys that are already inside, almost all b1 videos ive watched, the big guys are abit more sprinkled out.
but, keep tryin, keep blasting them, hope for the best
also quick question, you can kill scouts with fully charged hammer shot to the head even without its tendrils extended right?
vital sierra
also quick question, you can kill scouts with fully charged hammer shot to the h...
full charge hammer to the head
any condition
except if you have a booster that decrease you melee damage more than 50%
craggy pier
except if you have a booster that decrease you melee damage more than 50%
Does that mean you could 3/4ths charge and kill a scout?
vital sierra
Does that mean you could 3/4ths charge and kill a scout?
if all 4 players can sync up their hammer and hammer the scout at the same time, the scout will die
but that's near impossible with ping
you also have to stagger scout to make it easier to synchronize
supple knoll
im new so does anyone have advice
keen solar
don't die and stealth. Only use gun when sleepers scream and alert the room.
vital sierra
he means 75% charge dum dum
ok
supple knoll
don't die and stealth. Only use gun when sleepers scream and alert the room.
thanks
keen solar
You are the first newcomer who can read texts and doesn't ask where to find a group 
distant ice
well we know that's not true
surreal zealot
Hey I was a newcomer and knew lfg right away
daring fog
when do doorframes get fixed so they cant eat shots yet be immune to block enemy attacks?
vital sierra
isn't doorframes suppose to block shot?
distant ice
They work like a shield for sleepers rn
Either it goes both ways or neither, not screw over us only
daring fog
isn't doorframes suppose to block shot?
if it was atleast both ways we wouldnt complain
but enemys can just kill us through doorframe while we cant shoot them cause doorframe blocking be big gey
vital sierra
but enemys can just kill us through doorframe while we cant shoot them cause doo...
that's false tho
i can do the same thing and doesn't take damage
distant ice
vital sierra
it worked both way
spark wolf
doesn't just screw over us only
vital sierra
i can "cheese" the tank with it
lusty bramble
You can shoot through the door frame
spark wolf
it blocks line of sight and projectiles
vital sierra
^
daring fog
last run wiped cause of shooters shooting through doorframes....
lusty bramble
Shoot them back
daring fog
hel rifle can penetrate enemies but not doorframe
spark wolf
hitbox for it needs to be done properly and tongues shouldn't go through it anymore
those are the only problems
distant ice
The most vivid memory i have of those myself is rounding a corner to find a big striker covered by that door, behind me is death, in front was death also cuz i couldn't shoot him
topaz anvil
If you don't close the door you can't have it broken
knotty mauve
true
daring fog
never seen enemy attacks be blocked by them
lusty bramble
You can shoot through the cracks on the door frame, the enemies can shoot through the cracks on the door frame
Strikers used to be able to tongue through them
distant ice
Doesn't make logic sense to me when something without collisions blocks bullets
It's unnatural
daring fog
yeah atleast make them have a collision for players
vital sierra
so you want it to be solid
daring fog
either be solid or not block shots
lusty bramble
Oh, broken door frames
lusty bramble
Is it that inconvenient to just move to where you can shoot them?
distant ice
When uplink terminal is 3 meters from the door
lusty bramble
You cant move in the scan?
spark wolf
not enough sometimes
daring fog
if scan is placed so that you cant hit past the door.....
spark wolf
and "where i can shoot them" isn't "where i should be able to shoot them"
hitbox is larger than the actual remaining door pieces
lusty bramble
Gtfo quirky
spark wolf
gtfo will release by the end of this year
vital sierra
well, they can polish their hitboxes
spark wolf
simon wiklund moment
daring fog
well, they can polish their hitboxes
yeah when rundown 20 hits
vital sierra
yeah when rundown 20 hits
they did polish mother hitbox in R3 or R4
but they need to do more polish
lusty bramble
They did?
spark wolf
bruh
distant ice
Either way workarounds don't change the fact that it's fucked up
They just change the priority
daring fog
remind me when did bug hunters find doorframe bugs????
lusty bramble
They didn't do a very good job
vital sierra
remind me when did bug hunters find doorframe bugs????
it's not really a bug
since it worked as intended
distant ice
Sack enemies 
vital sierra
lusty bramble
At least when they changed the tanks hitbox it was more consistent
daring fog
it's not really a bug
so its intended to be an asshole?
amber osprey
Ah yes, doors are intended as an invincible barricade for enemies now?
left tendon
asshole doorframe
daring fog
which is exactly what you are saying
vital sierra
so its intended to be an asshole?
to both enemy and player? Yes
daring fog
if they were to both
vital sierra
if they were to both
in my experience, yes
daring fog
big strikers can hit you through them
vital sierra
big strikers can hit you through them
that just melee
daring fog
hybrids can pelet you throuhgh them
left tendon
yup and u cant shoot rhough it
lusty bramble
Big strikers can hit you through anything
daring fog
tongue can pass through
left tendon
mitsu is right
daring fog
i didn't get tongue tho
so cause you dont get that its not possible?
vital sierra
so cause you dont get that its not possible?
it mean i can use it
for my advantage
like people dodge into a box to dodge tongue
daring fog
how do we call that again? oh right bug abuse
lusty bramble
Captain advantage
distant ice
vital sierra
how do we call that again? oh right bug abuse
so you're saying
you should stand still and let them tongue you?
daring fog
what you say it works for you differently then for others