gtfo-related-questions

[signal peak]

does cfoam despawn after a time?

[noble sierra]

On the floor, yes. On the door, no.

[gusty swift]

best main weapon to kill big dudes?

big dudes and hybrids

[shrewd dirge]

in quantities less then 3, hammer.
hel rifle.
hybrids are a joke when you bait the melee.

[gusty swift]

yea but main weapon

whats the main weapon with most dps

smg/assault rifle i would guess

or maybe dmr

[shrewd dirge]

looking at the list, probably:
double tap
dmr
machine pistol.

[rain thunder]

Have they fixed toggle sprint or still no?

[shrewd dirge]

what, it gets stuck?

[neon gust]

Bigs

Just bring a sniper

Easy claps

[shrewd dirge]

right, but he asked for primary.

[neon gust]

Lel

[shrewd dirge]

ik

[hybrid pine]

does anybody else get a bug where when doing a uplink, if you exit out of the terminal to see the codes, they aren't there?

[shrewd dirge]

ive never had that one.
maybe try running out of the room away from the terminal and heading back to make them reappear.

[covert apex]

pistol

[neon gust]

I believe that happens when you die on the terminal

And get pick back up

So you actually have to ask your teammates to tell you the code

[distant ice]

or switch out terminal guys

[white kettle]

Guys, any tips for A2 overload?

[hybrid pine]

but i didnt die on the terminal

[neon gust]

Read storms comment

[neon gust]

Kill all babies and birther babies

Go in there grab hdd

Go home

If you wanna kill her after she births she kind of farts

So bring fog repellers

Biotracker helps

[gusty swift]

why cant i complete B1 overload

what the fuck am i doing wrong

[midnight gazelle]

Where do you keep dying at

Or what wave

[ionic nexus]

if you use two or three sniper sentries then stick to the right side of the bridge they funnel down and theres enough cover from giants that can be dealt with easily form the sentries

ammo and health shouldnt be an issue if you funnel right

one person having a sniper also helps

so you dont have to use the sentries early

[midnight gazelle]

Be careful with ammo usage and your sentry usage

I'd say for the first half, only use 1 sentry.. 2nd half use 2 if you are using only 2 sniper sentries

[gusty swift]

thing isnt ammo usage

thing is magazine usage

maybe not all my team is shooting correctly

and i have to reload

everytime i start reloading by the 6th or 7th code they get through

[midnight gazelle]

Communicate with each other

Do reloads even when you have partial ammo so that everyone doesnt run out at the same time

[covert apex]

where do you mess up?

[white kettle]

Fighting the boss enemy in the overload section

although we got lucky just now

it came outside the overload room and got stuck in a corner

[shadow mica]

3 sniper sentries at the door by the 5th code facing you guys to hit them in the back and 2 hel rifles make the reactor a joke

Literally just shoot as soon as you see them come out and they die just as fast

[neon gust]

Birdge its a nice place to hold

Sniper has good visibility usually so bug strikers and hybrids are well spread out for a nice sniper hs 👌

[gusty swift]

next youre gonna tell me a gun is a good weapon to deal with the waves

[knotty mauve]

Shiiiit he would be right though

[topaz anvil]

Mines only run when

[knotty mauve]

Try and hammer the reactor like R4E1

[tropic lava]

Guys my friend got stuck please help https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492990280

[neon gust]

Shiiiieeeeet

[pure mica]

What does Prisoner Efficiency mean?

[covert apex]

having completed all of the side objectives and main

[pure mica]

Thank you

[covert apex]

🙂

[knotty mauve]

Only for levels with overload sectors as well

[obsidian parrot]

is there a tutorial for the game?

[shrewd dirge]

outside the game itself? plenty.

[obsidian parrot]

lmao

ill check for that then.

and where do you put invite codes or w.e?

nvm

[graceful parcel]

Any tips for the first door in C1? used 3 auto sentries and still doesn't seem to be enough or I might just be bad lol

[vital sierra]

sniper sentry

[graceful parcel]

has to be sniper sentries?

[keen solar]

You can do 2 sniper sentries and one auto sentry

But you can do the scan with two sniper sentries or no sentries :/

[graceful parcel]

no sentries? how hahaha

[steel valley]

shoot harder

or scan speed boosters

[graceful parcel]

Good point...

[keen solar]

The first scan door is meant to lost most/ all ammos

If you are doing without sentries, just shoot hard

[graceful parcel]

Alright will try

Thanks :)

[keen solar]

Auto sentries are not designed to kill enemies. So putting three auto down there are just wasting tools

[graceful parcel]

That's a fair point

[tropic lava]

Yes AA sr is like a CC bot. It stun locks the shit out of things for other things to kill it

[keen solar]

Burst sentry might help to kill if you set up correctly but only if you set up right

Has been the worst sentry since R2 so I have not touched it since then zzz

[tropic lava]

I kinda wonder which is best between burst AA and sniper though. It seems like sniper for "big boys" AA for CC and burst just kind of sucks? Is that the consensus?

[steel valley]

sniper sentry with a bit of creativity outperforms burst 90% of the time

ye

though i haven't found myself really using the auto this rundown

the tool effiicency is so bad on it

[weary mesa]

seems like most of the maps are made around sniper sentry so there's almost no point in bringing any other sentry

[keen solar]

It’s too hard to find a right position to put auto down

It’s more like, they try to design lots of big zones with no doors you could perma foam. But that also nerf the rest of the things because you just have the good position to set up

[weary mesa]

S1 deal with that better than larger rooms

[keen solar]

D1 is so big that only sniper sentry can do the work without wasting too much tools

The rest of the sentries will be out by the time you finish the third scan then you have 10+ more to go afterwards lol

If they change the burst sentry back to the R1 version, it will probably better

[ionic nexus]

I think it would be good if they added more ammo or gave it pen

[weary mesa]

no pen please

Pen makes the game too easy

[ionic nexus]

-_-

[keen solar]

HEL sniper sentry 😳

[ionic nexus]

So does sniper sentry

And mines

And c-foam

[keen solar]

HEL auto sentry

[ionic nexus]

And knowing how to play the game too

[weary mesa]

yea that's why I like new rundowns

Actually hard until you figure it out

at least some levels

[ionic nexus]

New rundown isn’t hard for old players. It’s just a pain for new players

[weary mesa]

it is hard when you can't run around like an ape on levels

like d1

[ionic nexus]

[keen solar]

I genuinely like this rundown a lot but it’s also ultra exhausting to play high Tier levels. Can play R4E1 10 times a day without getting tired but I will get extremely tired after playing R5D1 twice in a day

[weary mesa]

but then again not that hard when you are good at stealth

[ionic nexus]

It could be burn out koopa. Dragons get burnout too when they get tired of people running in fear and it doesn’t get fun for them anymore

[tropic lava]

Anyone have any advice for spitters? I just got demolished in B2

[keen solar]

Shine lights on them because they are shy

[tropic lava]

Light makes them blow up?

[keen solar]

makes them not to explode

lol

[topaz anvil]

Can't hurt you if you run past them at the speed of light

[tropic lava]

Lmao let me go get my light speed shoes and ring dash

[topaz anvil]

Is it the room where you have to go to the sides to go upstairs?

[tropic lava]

Yes after a bulk head there's like a bridge with pillars on both sides but they were on both pillars so I shot them and stupidly aggroed everything in the room and died

So I learned shooting em is a bad idea, but walking past em doesn't seem best either since infection + dmg

[topaz anvil]

Basically just shine a light and you have about 20 seconds before they reactivate

You have to expose each individual one to light though

Or find the path with as few spitters as possible

[vital sierra]

just shoot it

[tropic lava]

Nah, shooting is bad. For some reason bullets are inverted and only result in me dying

😭

[keen slate]

do we have the list of booster yet?

[shrewd dirge]

I only bother shooting problematic spitters before a scan.

[steel valley]

i only shoot them when my teammates are nearby

[keen solar]

I only shoot when teammates are nearby

I shoot both of them with my HEL weapons

[mortal pewter]

How do I stop killing my teammates, I can’t help it

[soft kiln]

solution is simple

bring shotgun, hel rifle, sniper
kill them before they strike back

[celest flare]

Hey, my friend and I love the game, but whenever we see a swarm of zombies like 5-10 we always either lose almost all of our hp or we lose tthe game, we tried using sentry guns, locators smgs snipers, the game is really hard

[keen solar]

#stealth

#runandhammer

[neon gust]

We cannot really shoot the stealth portion

Thats why

[keen solar]

haha nuhhh

[neon gust]

No burst canon neither

[craggy pier]

There's something I'm wondering about

When I play with the ingame mm I sometimes get people that just randomly write 1 character in the chat for the first 4-5 secs

Why do they do that?

[midnight sable]

Hello, I have a little question, I just joined one lobby and there was a guy who had in main weapon a hel revolver. How is that even possible?

[craggy pier]

He was cheating cause HEL revolver was a R4 weapon

[midnight sable]

and I tought the worst cheaters are those with infinite ammo

[craggy pier]

I mean if they've all weapons they're probably using stuff like that too

[midnight sable]

Also why they remove other weapons from R4? Too broken? They didnt wanted to rebalance them?

[covert apex]

Some were rundown specific whilst others were just broken

[midnight sable]

Or I have a question of existence of machinepistol, why does this water gun exist

[neon gust]

Good for babies

Does decent damage cqc

Plenty of ammo

Its a good gun

It staggers pretty well

<@&408548765599793173>

Cs go skins

Bruh

[fresh siren]

Machinepistol best weapon

stagger + huge amount of ammo

[spark wolf]

stagger

sure

you can stagger with pure damage instead

and essentially just kill instead

it's like 4 shots to stagger?

without just damage focus

like it's way more optimal to just pop the head

and then kill

what stagger

[supple gust]

yeah it ain't no auto pistol from R4

[fringe bloom]

for the cocoons(specifically the ones in the C1 center zone), the cocoons do not respawn scouts but do they respawn giants, hybrids, chargers etc?. or do they just respawn standard normal sleepers?

[frozen token]

what they respawn depends on the level and room

[fringe bloom]

so if a room has chargers it will respawn chargers?

[frozen token]

for C1 yes, they will also respawn the giants and hybrids

[noble sierra]

In C1, they respawn giants and hybrids and big shooters

[fringe bloom]

awesome

[frozen token]

mhm

[midnight gazelle]

C2 used go respawn scouts from the cacoons but they removed the cacoons

[fringe bloom]

good lmao

[midnight gazelle]

they shoulda kept it imo

[fringe bloom]

nah bro most of us are apes

[knotty mauve]

🦍

[rain python]

🦍

[supple gust]

[mortal pewter]

what is the meta so i can actively avoid it?

[distant ice]

very funny but unfortunately there isn't one

the closest thing to a meta weapon would be hel rifle

[covert apex]

Heavy smg

[mortal pewter]

thanks both of you. time to use pistol and auto shotgun

[keen solar]

kewk

[keen solar]

If you hate meta guns, go for Machine gun and assault rifle

[mortal pewter]

oke

[lusty bramble]

Ar is a meta weapon

[craggy pier]

Yo're a meta wepon

Got em

[vital sierra]

dodging is meta, everyone's been doing that since alpha, you need to stand still and fight now

[white kettle]

prefer the regular SMG tbh, more ammo more pew pew

[lusty bramble]

Smg is the real tickle gun

[slow wigeon]

anyone knows how the artifact heat works?

[craggy pier]

1 artifact = 1% heat

You can't go lower than 20% heat

[slow wigeon]

like how does it increase ?

is it a daily factor?

[craggy pier]

If you complete other levels it'll go higher on others I believe

[slow wigeon]

ah alright thanks!

[spiral kettle]

sure?

[craggy pier]

That's what I was told by most people

[spiral kettle]

It's pretty strange. I did a test. I have made 6 runs. I only picked up:

1. 3 aggressiv = -4%
2. 3 bold = -4%
3. 3 mute = -4%
4. 2 bold = -0%
5. 2 mute = -0%
6. 2 aggressiv = -3%

[craggy pier]

I must be wrong then, I wasn't 100% anyways

Good info though

[spiral kettle]

Apparently you don't get anything deducted up to a certain amount.

[slow wigeon]

another quick question does completing the expedition give more artifacts? e.g gives artifact points

[neon gust]

nope :[

I wish they added that

[slow wigeon]

yeah

[flat hornet]

Is there some form of loops possible in terminal?

to ping an item every X seconds?

[soft kiln]

yes you can

add -T at the end of the ping command ping hsu_333 -T so you can keep pinging it

but

if you leave the terminal screen

it would stop

[flat hornet]

ahh

thanks

[wooden otter]

how many boosts can you hold?

[flat hornet]

Can anyone tell me what to do in A2 Extreme after the terminal?

#gtfo-spoiler-chat

[prime fossil]

Hello, I’m kind of new in this game and tryingo to complete it solo (at least A1) anybody knows if I leave enemies alive behind a door that it will be destroyed by a wave, does this enemies contribute to the wave size?
And If I place mines behind that same door will they damage the enemies of the wave? Or it is just a waste of resources? Thx in advance

[covert apex]

If they scream then yes, your mines can also trigger the room. Mines will clear up most of the wave as well

[ruby wasp]

Regarding your first question, it depends on whether the wave's sleepers "step on" the sleepers behind the doors or if they scream in the room where the sleeper is

if none of this happens, then it won't wake up

[tawdry stream]

heya, Question about boosters- Do they only effect you? do they effect the whole team? The wording is a little bit ambiguous about that

[shrewd dirge]

only you.
the ones that affect resource bonuses, only come into play when you use it on yourself or on others; not when others use on you.

@tawdry stream

[tawdry stream]

ok, tested what you said and yes that's how it works, awesome, thank you @shrewd dirge

[prime fossil]

Thx, I just compleated A1 with a friend using this info :3

[spark wolf]

pretty sure awake vs sleeping collision is not a thing

door break is however

seemingly random depending on the door sound playing before or after the door breaks as sound can't play in a room that's not connected to any player

[distant ice]

That kind of interaction or any collision is not a thing yeah

You can shove alerted enemies straight through sleepers without them giving an f

[mortal pewter]

Sure I’ll also remove my keyboard and play with an NES controller because only meta using scum use keyboards

[vital sierra]

[wispy olive]

do we know how cocoons work in terms of the amount of enemies they respawn? have an idea for a suggestion but I wanna make sure its not already implemented

[distant ice]

seems like they can control how many respawn

[wispy olive]

as in the devs set how many can respawn for certain rooms?

[distant ice]

i'm not sure how your statement is different from mine

so yes?

[craggy pier]

A certain % of enemies respawn but it also depends on the level. Scouts will respawn on certain levels but won't on others.

[wispy olive]

good to know. thanks @distant ice @craggy pier

[keen solar]

Hammering and running is also the case. You might wanna start shooting instead of hammering

[mortal pewter]

dude ill just stop playing the game because that is meta

[vital sierra]

stop playing the game are also meta

people do that all the time

[distant ice]

just do pacifist runs

no objective requires you to kill anything yet everyone does it

[keen solar]

Or you can try not to kill anything and finish the level

Mission respect +

[vital sierra]

tried that in R4D2

not really good experience

but you can high five giants

[ruby wasp]

I do recall times when collisions made sleepers waking up

Such as error alarm wave spawning on a scout then triggering it even though we were far enough (2 rooms) for them not to scream

[distant ice]

that doesn't mean that collision was the thing that alerted them

i'm not sure if it's true they never scream when far away

it could've been the door breaking too

shit's weird

as i said you can just shove an alerted sleeper straight through a sleeping one

[spark wolf]

everytime i've seen someone explain scream behaviour it's always been wrong

I don't know how it works exactly but I know it doesn't work in any way someone's explained it before

because there's always situations I recall where their explanation gets proven wrong

I don't think there's any shit like oh they won't scream when they're too far

or oh they have to scream because they broke a door

here's consistent shit I noted with screams:

• there's a global cooldown
• wake up a sleeper that's 2 rooms away and it'll scream in the middle room
• only the first scream of each enemy can wake rooms

[distant ice]

doors probably help with the global cooldown

the last point is more than likely a bug

and the 2nd may either be another cooldown or AI preference

enemies seem to like to attack or move a bit first before screaming

there may be a period of time after alerting where they can't scream yet

which makes sense in terms of balancing if they think alerting to a sprint step into immediate scream is bs (in reality it's kinda logical bs that they can attack the millisecond they hear a sprint step)

[meager rover]

When are the warden stats for Rundown 4 coming out?

[rapid dock]

good question

when are the warden stats for Rundown 4 coming out?

[jolly zealot]

#gtfo-chat message
"Soon"

[meager rover]

Thank you 🙂

[noble sierra]

I don't think it's a global cooldown, more like a per-room cooldown.

That's why you can observe sleepers move into a new room and immediately scream very often.

[distant ice]

it's easy to disprove that

jump in and torture a poor guy in one room, compare times between screaming, then run around the whole zone or a few and see if it changes

you'll see it doesn't

[odd fulcrum]

How would i be able to join others peoples games without friending? I know its a lobby code but it does nothing when i copy it

[topaz anvil]

When you copy the code, a red button on the left hand side of the rundown screen should appear

[odd fulcrum]

it never does for me

[keen solar]

Were you using in-game matchmaking?

[odd fulcrum]

no but i found the problem

[keen solar]

Cool

[tropic lava]

Hey are booster levels important? Like would an booster on C be more powerful than a booster on A?

[shrewd dirge]

from a numerical perspective, no.
from a relativistic sense, yes.
but still, feel free to dunk your low value boosters on high floors.

@tropic lava

[tropic lava]

Hmm so its not like boosters acquired on low levels are "stronger". Ok, I'm still in B & C working on getting D unlocked. So I'm thinking stock piling is a bad idea.

[shrewd dirge]

boosters received are random and independent of floor section.

[buoyant hawk]

Do sniper sentries preferentially target giants/hybrids etc?

[covert apex]

no

they just go brr at every enemy

[buoyant hawk]

Alright, thanks

[fringe bloom]

is there a point where putting fooam on a door is a waste?

or could i theoretically put 3 c foam grenades on one door and the sleepers will have to hack through 3 grenades worth of foam before it breaks?

[exotic lantern]

yes

once the door is foamed its not worth it to put more unless all the C foam dissapears and or if you are tapping it up with the c foam launcher

[eager anvil]

hi noob here, is there a preferred setting that helps you to see shadow mobs a bit more clearer?

[thorny current]

Not sure if there is one, but the bio tracker is the best thing against them.

[midnight gazelle]

If there is a way to turn up gamma/brightness, that's the best you can do.. Bio tracker and flashlight are the only ways to actually see them and that's all you should really need anyway since shadows are really easy to kill

[spark wolf]

idle animation

[shrewd dirge]

i dont know what it is, but i have a real harder time seeing shadows this rundown

cant get the misty silhouette point blank, even.

[covert apex]

just throw a fog at their feet

[rain thunder]

Have tehy fixed toggle sprint?

[lilac fulcrum]

Could you remind me what wasn't working with toggle sprint?

[rain thunder]

In every single game outside of gtfo, if you start moving, enable sprint by tapping shift, and then let go of movement keys, sprint should be disabled when you begin moving agian. In GTFO it is a weird modifier, that is either on or off, at all times, breaking standard convention and screwing with muscle memory

Its honestly the one thing currently preventing me from playing the game.

[lilac fulcrum]

I believe others have made that #gtfo-game-suggestions to change that behavior

[rain thunder]

Its pretty crazy that such a basic, and universally agreed upon control scheme is stiill not implemented properly

[keen solar]

🤷‍♀️

[thorny current]

And? Look at Resi 8. Sure they have implemented what you mean, but the default interaction button is "F". And the Crouch Button is "C". That annoyed me much more than the problem you are describing. Sure, I was able to change it still was weird af.
Who knows one day maybe they change it 🤷‍♂️

[craggy pier]

Just don't use toggle sprint

: ^ )

[distant ice]

One of my friends is forced to cuz he broke his good keyboard and is stuck with one that can't react to some key combinations kekw

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/simply-a-difference-skill-simply-a-difference-in-skill-gif-21335337

[hard wasp]

?? what does that have to do with anything. F and C are very common for those functions, and the fact that you can change it completely nullifies your argument. An entire game mechanic that cannot be changed and deviates from pretty much every other game does not compare to some keybinds you didn't like.

[topaz anvil]

F for sprint works pretty well

[thorny current]

I am sorry chase but your argument makes no sense at all. You are talking that this difference MagnumDopum is lamenting, is a huge difference in mechanics.

It has the same quality as the change of common keybinds. They are a minor inconvenience at best and the brain is able to quickly adapt. You will need a few hours ofc, but saying that these 2 things are massively different is jokes.

Also I added that the devs might change things. Also just add the toggle function and press one more "shift". What a huge disaster of a change that is....

[hard wasp]

i never said it was a big deal, just that you cannot compare changeable keybinds to it

[minor fractal]

Toggle sprint, at least the version that a lot of people want, is just straight up unavailable.

[neon gust]

People use toggle sprint?

[tall laurel]

no

[vital sierra]

i use toggle sprint only when i "circle kite"

[topaz anvil]

Hol up, you guys don't crouch walk everywhere?

[rain thunder]

Toggle Sprint, which is functionally unavailable in the universally agreed upon form, is nothing like 'use' key bindings which differ by game and can be changed instantly to be uniform in a key bind menu.

[rain thunder]

This yes, thank you

[mortal aspen]

is there an option to skip the scream after in the main menu? :x
and if i did die

[covert oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-19411985

[stiff sigil]

if a sleeper broke a door, does the sleepers in that area awake?

assume that the player is far

[shrewd dirge]

only if scream

if the player is exceedingly far, less chance of screaming.

but realistically, ive seen a chain of 7 scouts chaining off eachother.

[open pecan]

Can you C-Foam a mother?

[supple gust]

Yes

[fringe bloom]

but can you c-foam a tank?

[mystic loom]

yes,but just a while

[fringe bloom]

ty

[supple gust]

you can c foam any mob

[tropic ferry]

cocoons

[rain python]

You can also DN any mob

[tropic lava]

Tips for stealthing scouts w/out foam? 👀

[weary mesa]

you can toggle their tentacles with sprint if no other enemies are in range so It'll stop moving giving an easier kill

[buoyant zinc]

wait till its it starts walking towards you stand up start charging and hit it dead center mass of the head

[weary mesa]

or have them walk towards you because their head will typically towards you

they've been trying to make scouts more random for host and client on how they do their tentacle animation so they can bend over when doing it so keep that in mind

I like the randomness

[buoyant zinc]

yeah they can duck and turn around

[weary mesa]

Makes you have to be more reactive

[idle parrot]

what i do is crouch at the edge of the feelers and move in the moment they start retracting, and charge hammer about .5 seconds after. crouch up and stand at the last moment and just head bonk

[buoyant zinc]

i also think they have a rotating ai so the pattern changes

[weary mesa]

yea pattern changes as it paths

either be patient or learn when you can run up to them and kill them anywhere

[idle parrot]

if you have line of sight you can also hel rifle them once in the head from outside the zone door(or at least when it's opening?) and no one will hear usually

[buoyant zinc]

also if you can find a mission or lobby to practice in do that

[idle parrot]

r5b1 is good practice

[weary mesa]

The distance thing where they can't hear you is cheese to most people or at least the door opening/closing and shooting to get a silent kill

I don't think it really matters tho, do what you need to do to get the completion

[spark wolf]

the door breaking has a range in which it'll alert

but doors breaking don't play sound in rooms where there's no open path to the player

which means if there's another door in-between it wont matter

if it's just that one door between you and them, it's seemingly random probably because it depends on the sound playing before or after it fully breaks

inconsistent

[rugged dock]

you can actually open doors that have been foamed now?

[neon gust]

You always could

Its just...... weird

[rugged dock]

could you? in all of r4 if even one blob was on it you couldn't open it, and sometimes you could damage the door to get the blob off other times not

[sour summit]

question me and my buddy are doing flood ways and we cant find out how to turn a generator on for a door

[stark spade]

you have to find a cell for the generator. cells can be located with a terminal

[sour summit]

ok

[timid glade]

IF you foam something then leave

does it aggro after

[vital sierra]

foaming do not wake enemy up

unless that enemy already woke up

[timid glade]

so if we like

foamed something

broke the lcoker then left

it shoudln't wake up?

yep just worked

thanks

[vital sierra]

you can also re-c foam an enemy

example like, a boss or something

and you can't deal with it in 1 go

re c foam them can make them easier to kill

[timid glade]

we had a mom in frount of a locker with a key in it

no lock melters

[vital sierra]

you can just kill it

i know where you are also

[timid glade]

there was a ton of titans in the same so we didn't want to weaste the ammo

but yeah

[coarse prism]

hey guys. do you guys have any recommendations to beat C1?

[ionic nexus]

believe in yourself

[craggy pier]

Do 2nd S1 first before doing the first uplink : ^ )

[keen solar]

Don’t stop believing

Unless you’re doing extreme

[ember patio]

my 'friend' foamed me behind a door and it wouldn't open

[ruby pebble]

is there a way to get unstuck

[daring fog]

is there a way to report cheaters/hackers that make the whole team immune to damage? they also dont have to reload nor use up ammo

[distant ice]

Record and dm mod contact

[daring fog]

are screenshots enough?

[keen solar]

Better to have videos

But you can always report

[daring fog]

k so no use in reporting with screenshots gotcha

[distant ice]

There is

[vital sierra]

report them anyway

[keen ruin]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11X4k5uaFt1g2_EO22uq82tFvlKqe7J0Af4qGCk7kuyg/edit#slide=id.g883a497498_0_0

can someone help confirm if this is true for slide 4

that trigger distance is further if you are walking/running as compared to crouching

i thought it was always the opposite

because you made less noise, unless what it was trying to say is that you can cover more distance by walking/running as compared to crouched before they are alerted

[knotty mauve]

Its saying that within 7m you will alert when standing, and within 5m you will alert when crouch walking.

So it makes sense?

[keen ruin]

oh so the free movement range meant standing still but uncrouching or crouching will alert them

[distant ice]

kekw

[knotty mauve]

Free movement means that past 5m you can crouch walk around them, and past 7m you can walk around them

[distant ice]

none of those numbers are right

or better to say that's not how the mechanics work i guess

[knotty mauve]

I'm just using what he gave me

[keen ruin]

oh then do you have a more accurate source

i can refer to?

@distant ice

[distant ice]

i haven't looked around much but i've never seen a guide that doesn't make mistakes either

[knotty mauve]

Just play the game more and you'll get a feel for it

[distant ice]

for the distances, there's only 2 you need to know really

in cluster range, crouchwalking wakes them up

in hearing distance, higher noise will also wake them up

once they're awake they'll react to any noise in the same hearing distance

as for the exact distances it's hard to measure really because we don't know the exact reference point nor do we have a way to measure with fractions

think 5-7m

[keen ruin]

by cluster range, you mean a group of sleepers together which efectively increases their interference distance

[distant ice]

if you want to learn, take a biotracker

i mean clusters i.e. sleepers where killing one is guaranteed to alert another

when they're really close together

[keen ruin]

ok

[lone ember]

does anyone know how to open door to zone 85 in stage B2?

[craggy pier]

Complete the extreme objective : ^ )

[lone ember]

but i need the bulkhead key inside z85 to open extreme objective

[midnight gazelle]

what does the door to z85 say?

[lone ember]

lockdown i think

[midnight gazelle]

which objective is this in? high?

[craggy pier]

Uplink is extreme, high is glp

[lone ember]

its high right now, trying to get extreme but cant get the bulkhead key

[craggy pier]

English is I can

[midnight gazelle]

All I can assume is you need to complete the objective to unlock it

[lone ember]

i see

[craggy pier]

Did you list key then query yet?

You don't

[midnight gazelle]

the door is under lockdown, key wont do anything

unless it actually is a key

then get the key lol

[craggy pier]

I think its in either 80 or 79 (bh key)

[lone ember]

yes i query the key, its in zone 85 and zone 315

[craggy pier]

Someone has it probably

[lone ember]

used the first bulkhead key at the beginning for the scan

[midnight gazelle]

@lone ember Is there a bulkhead for high?

[lone ember]

yeah

[midnight gazelle]

You locked yourself out of extreme and overload then

[craggy pier]

Then you can't access extreme and 85

[midnight gazelle]

You gotta restart to do extreme

and overload

[lone ember]

i see

ok then thanks for the info

[remote crest]

guys currently inside C2

can't open High because there are only 2 bulkhead keys

weird

[covert apex]

You locked yourself in kekw

You usually start with overload / extreme and then the main objective

[remote crest]

we did start overload to extreme

listing bulkhead_key nothing pops up

[covert apex]

try and list y

bulkhead key in extreme is always in the tank room

and overload is up north/west

[remote crest]

omg It's in the tank room

but every terminal can't search for it

[remote crest]

Thank you so much, me and the squad thanks you

[rugged dock]

can someone explain why when using tool refill on deployer sometimes it gives me back 2 mines, and usually on the 2nd refill it only gives back one?

[weary mesa]

Pretty sure I’ve heard it gives back about 1.4 mines

So it alternates between two and one

It used to be you get 3 after a lot of tool refills given, but that was when it had a max of 10 mines

[rugged dock]

so in other words this is intended?

[weary mesa]

Yes

[rugged dock]

sad

[weary mesa]

Not really

Mine are greatly improved from what they used to be

[knotty mauve]

1 mine = spawncap dead ezclap

[weary mesa]

They are way more effective than in any previous rundown

1 mine supremacy

[rugged dock]

i understand that, but imagine needing to remember if you got one or two mines from the last refill to know what you'll get this time, that's not intuitive

[knotty mauve]

as long as you're at 75% you can use a tool

[tropic ferry]

technically no, if you are at 80% - 87% it still shows as 75%, I would save the tool until you use a mine

[knotty mauve]

makes no difference unless it gives you 3 mines

[tropic ferry]

you get about 1.4 mines, right?

so lets say you have 6.8

it shows 6 mines

you use a refill, it puts you at 8.2

but 8 is cap, so you lose that .2

[knotty mauve]

my 0.2 mine

[errant jungle]

Hey, what's the best level to practice killing scouts?

@ me

[covert apex]

A1 + A2

[errant jungle]

Alright thank you

[weary mesa]

B1 is probably better and faster

You have 4 scouts to kill with no alarms to each of the zone they're in

[knotty mauve]

C2 has a scout in the very first zone, surrounded by a bunch of enemies as well.

[idle parrot]

B1 was my go to

[pearl badger]

its true that A2 is an ez place for scouts too

if you go in extreme

[rapid dock]

So if Rundowns cannot be kept because of how building blocks are repurposed for the new rundowns and etc etc, then how the hell did "Even Deeper" come back to Rundown 5 from Rundown 1, or the Alpha level for Rundown 3?

[spark wolf]

It's literally a revamp

It's not the same

And they clearly had to put some effort into it

[rapid dock]

it's not the same, because it was edited

but they had to edit it from something

which is Rundown 1 D1

[spark wolf]

Pretty sure that's still kind of wrong

They may have used some of the R1D1 settings but had to update them so everything would actually work

That or it's just done from scratch

Likely wasn't just copy R1D1 data and then make the changes we're seeing

[rapid dock]

hmm

i guess i'm not fully satisfied with that answer

[spark wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

could have made the same point for R3C1

there's still a bunch of other reasons why they wouldn't want you to play older rundowns as well

imagine new players actually starting with R1 and working their way up

literally hundreds of hours to get to the current rundown

[rapid dock]

Porting all the previous Rundowns to version 0.77 would take a lot of time for sure

since Rundown 1 was EA 0.1, Rundown 2 was 0.18, Rundown 3 was 0.25, R4 was 0.50 something

I still think putting those previous versions into a Betas tab for easier access would be nice, especially if we are thinking of replayability in the upcoming 10 years, and I know D0c told me that it's a negative way of thinking, but I think it's important to recognize it

[midnight gazelle]

The devs wishes from the beginning was that you only have a llimited limited amount of time to play a rundown

[spark wolf]

Not a good reason for them to officially support that now

Just a player base split

[rapid dock]

It's only a playerbase split if you let them to use the LFG and the matchmaking

[spark wolf]

Not entirely right when a lot of games are private parties

[rapid dock]

then what is the issue?

Why can't a private team revisit old Rundowns?

[lusty bramble]

they can

[spark wolf]

half my team isn't available -> i use this server

or matchmaking

if i feel like i need to finish R1 first, i wouldn't be here

detrimental

there's no good point to support that rn

[rapid dock]

hmm

[spark wolf]

it's also literally them publishing older version which are generally worse

pretty sure they don't want new players to try out an older rundown

[rapid dock]

That is generally true

[spark wolf]

instead of a better new one

as for your replayability thing once game would die, if they support modding that's kind of giving you tons of shit to work with

[rapid dock]

I'm sure GTFO won't be left in the corner with a single Rundown at the end of it's life cycle

[midnight gazelle]

Once GTFO reaches end of life, yeah.. They'll probably have a way to go back to other rundowns

But that won't be for a while

[rapid dock]

i wonder if a random map gen system could work, but it would take a lot of work

[midnight gazelle]

That would get a bit boring imo since they would only have a limited amount of randomization and at some point you'll see all the variations

[lusty bramble]

you know rogue-likes exist right?

[midnight gazelle]

Yes and i dont like them.

[shadow mica]

I'd expect them to eventually revamp the old rundowns with the new features with different stuff in them

They won't be the same, but they'll have a similar feel of progression

[primal epoch]

Do cluster alarms have an enemy limit?

[weary mesa]

Same as regular alarm

[primal epoch]

thanks daddy

[opaque notch]

So how do I unlock c1?

I've done a1 a2 b1 b2 b3

[austere cloak]

you need to complete higher difficulty objectives

[opaque notch]

so two extreme?

and three high

[austere cloak]

don't remember exact number but yes, how many you need is on the right side of the c tiers

[opaque notch]

oh ok thanks!

[austere cloak]

how many you have is top right

[glossy rain]

This may be a silly question but are bulkhead keys exclusive to specific bulkhead doors?

[craggy pier]

Any key can go to any BH dc

Though, some DCs can be specific to one layer

Like in B2

[glossy rain]

I'm in B2 rn and for some reason we can't find the bulkhead key to the high bulkhead

But we did use a key for the extreme. Could the key used on the extreme bulkhead have been used on the high one?

[wary linden]

you have to complete extreme first and then zone 85 will open containing a second key

if you want the 3rd one. it's being the overload objective

[glossy rain]

Okay that makes sense, however, what I'm not understanding is we started the extreme but not the high

[wary linden]

if you are going for B2PE you need to start with extreme

[glossy rain]

You got me wrong.

I'm not interested in the PE

I just wanted to start the High objective

but we didn't have a key

[wary linden]

if you only wanted high then you made a mistake and inserted your only key in the extreme dc

[glossy rain]

Thank you

My friend was saying he couldn't use it on the high

which made no sense to me as it doesnt specify needing a specific key

[wary linden]

it's not specific... if you look carefully before picking the key... you can read it'S number and when you pick it up it'll be a different number in your inventory sometimes xD

[glossy rain]

I figured as much.. my friend probably just made a mistake.

[wary linden]

make sure you read what are the options (difficulties) on the DC before inserting the key into it

[glossy rain]

I was fine doing the extreme but we were focused on just doing the high as three

[craggy pier]

There's the high DC in 79 B I think

[wary linden]

^

[craggy pier]

The first door you open has the DC

[wary linden]

right on that left wall close to the door that lead to B from spawn

[glossy rain]

I'm thinking my friend got that one and used it on the extreme dc

[wary linden]

the extreme DC is in zone 82 behind that blood door

[craggy pier]

Lmao

[glossy rain]

Yeah I'm aware, we were pretty deep into a run until being confused about the whole key thing. Thanks for the information I appreciate it.

[cerulean dirge]

Is B3 shorter/ easier than B2?? And Tier C is harder than Tier B right?

[steel valley]

i'd say b3 high is shorter than b2 high, but not necessarily easier

[distant ice]

I got the impression that b2 high only is way easier than the other Bs

[craggy pier]

B2 high is easier than B3 high

[steel valley]

i've never tried high only but my impression from pe is that it's one of those levels that was designed around you doing layers for any of the actual difficulty

[craggy pier]

Its just spitters and blood doors

B3 is charger error then fog stealth

Plus short =/= easy

How fast you complete the level is based on the pacing of the team

[cerulean dirge]

Oh...I mean base on PE difficulty

I finished A1,A2,B1 PE, and tried B2 PE for quite a few times, I don't know whether it is because every time the team members are different.
So I am thinking whether B3 or Tier C will be easier...

[vital sierra]

B3 is still easier in my experience

[pale topaz]

I would say B3 is easier than B2PE

[cerulean dirge]

but C is still harder than B right? So I guess I should try to play B3 first?

[pale topaz]

Depends on what you find hard

[distant ice]

PE is all 3 sectors together, not all levels have that

[steel valley]

c-tier PEs are very difficult relative to b-tier PEs

main objectives on c-tiers are around the same as some b-tier PEs

[cerulean dirge]

So I guess the order will be B3-->B2-->C, thank you!
but I need to be able to find group in #lfg-asia first tho... ==

[steel valley]

i feel your pain

[cerulean dirge]

Seem like much more players on America and Europe

[keen solar]

Just use lfg beginners z

[cosmic sparrow]

which one is easier to do, c1 or c2, and what should i expect from them? need last hard to unlock d1 and was curious

[steel valley]

c2 high is pretty easy

[cosmic sparrow]

thank you

[covert apex]

c1's main objective is probably easier than c2's main imo

[cosmic sparrow]

any way to fix the glitch where the bio scanner shows the white dots as tiny red dots?

[frozen nymph]

relatable

[craggy pier]

no fix as of yet.

[distant ice]

For scouts they seem to go back to normal when they spread feelers

[cerulean dirge]

Oh, you already finished Tier B? I think we finished B1 PE before

[frozen nymph]

Except B2 PE

[cerulean dirge]

So you finished B3 after that
I have been keep trying B2...

[idle parrot]

how does mine damage work? i cant wrap my head around people placing mines with the laser perpendicular facing into the door

[distant ice]

they have a cylinder-like damage radius

damage is based on falloff and where it hits since it can headshot sleepers (but that only matters for the big ones)

the placement you see is just an attempt to hit as many sleepers as possible

[idle parrot]

oh that makes some sense. is it more a thing for blood doors? in the case of cfoaming a regular door it seems like everything will just bunch up and go kaboom anyway

[distant ice]

enemies don't actually have any animations for breaking doors so they won't necessarily be in the radius

[shrewd dirge]

its both. any door that is foamed should generally be mined.
if you know a door will be taken, give it a mine.

any mines facing into the door are preferable to ones across, if you can manage.

[idle parrot]

ah, the animation bit makes sense when you consider game design and how no players will even be over there to see there's no animation 😛

alright thanks erryone

[shrewd dirge]

and its generally a good idea to mine blood doors

youll occasionally get the idiot that runs past you to pound the door directly behind you, if the party is split up.

they just stand there menacingly.

[frozen nymph]

Yes. It doesn't have to be done in order though

B2 should be alright as long as you know the way of the bonks and avoid 'em spitters

And have a general sense of direction in the fog, whether you are in deep with 80% infection or with the fog turbine

[vocal veldt]

Do you guys have stuff recommandations for C1 ?

[midnight gazelle]

cfoam, auto, sniper, bio

or auto, sniper, sniper, bio

1 sniper/HEL rifle
1 shotty/combat shotty

[tropic ferry]

for high, at least 2 sniper
for extreme, bio, c-foam, and at least 1 sniper

[buoyant shore]

2 sniper? I heard that is bad, not saying you are wrong but i hve heard that sniper has such low ammo it is a bad idea for lower, why is it good for high?

[vital sierra]

you can use sniper for bigs

[keen solar]

2 snipers are bad for beginners but it’s fine with high skill players. They basically hammer most of the time and only shoot in the scan

[buoyant shore]

I see, high skill ceiling weapons especially for scouts

[keen solar]

Wat

[buoyant shore]

scouts i hear sniper is good for

[keen solar]

No...? We don’t kill scout with a sniper

We use hammer...

Sniper is for hybrids...

[buoyant shore]

my firend told me he though tit was too risky to summon things, so he uses sniper

idk his discord tag on here

[keen solar]

Well hammering a scout is an elementary skill from B tier so

[buoyant shore]

so scouts are better to just stalk and hammer to the face at the right moment

[keen solar]

Ye

[buoyant shore]

well i mena head

ok that advice will probably save me

[keen solar]

Have been seeing newbies streamers bring 2 snipers for B1 and complains about two scouts in a room is not fair and lose so much ammo

[vital sierra]

if you can hammer scout, you're in disadvantage

[somber brook]

Just a quick question, how do you do a perfect run on A1? We did hard + extreme and didnt find any other door, we were looking for hours.

[oblique linden]

A1 only has a hard and extreme difficulty

[somber brook]

ohhh okay

[wary linden]

check on the rundown page when you choose your mission... it litterally show you what difficulties are in the level

[somber brook]

ty ty

[tawdry stream]

hey The artifacts that give you bonuses for beeing near a glowstick, does it need to be deployed? or is holding it ok? maybe just having it in inventory? please and thank you

[wary linden]

thrown on the ground

[keen solar]

If you read the condition by moving your mouse to that sentence, it explains that you have to be within the glowstick range, which means you ha to use it :/

[idle parrot]

is hopping particularly important for kiting or is it more for the "be stealthy faster" type stuff

or in other words can i just get by with kiting only sliding?

[steel valley]

hopping is nice for both

the tracking of tongues seems to be pretty bad if you're in the air

[cosmic sparrow]

not only is it cheesy but it makes stealth unfun and during combat it's ok but if you're immortal then what's the point in even playing then if there's no challenge. it's no secret that i hate behopping but i also see a lot of players alert rooms because they think their all that and end up eating shit in the end

[idle parrot]

tbh i just wanna learn it so i can stand a chance in situations where i'm the only person not down but i dont plan on using it otherwise cause that shit be cray

[cosmic sparrow]

makes since but i honestly hate cheating and behopping feels like cheating so i never really use it. and you typically dont need it since i can solo a wave of enemies with just a hammer only. but i might just be good at kiting so i dont know

[covert apex]

From your logic kiting should be considered a cheat as well?

[vital sierra]

bhopping are just you running and jumping

[safe quail]

can you matchmake with a friend eg 2 people grouped tryna find 2 people

[static escarp]

scenario: you're doing b2 overload and you're sitting in the room outside of the overload bulkhead door, which is zone 85. can the enemies from the error alarm ever spawn inside the overload bulkhead door, which is zone 315?

[noble sierra]

Yes

[keen solar]

Should be

[distant ice]

You cannot

[cosmic sparrow]

This turned out a lot longer than i wanted it to be lol
Not at all, kiting is basically gaining distance from the enemy to do things you couldn't earlier, like reviving a teammate or reloading, this is intended to be done or else combat would be ni impossible. Behopping is giving you invincibility for each moment you are in the air, and THAT i consider cheating. It's not a feature that was intended for stealthing and im positive that it isn't intended to jump around like an idiot in a horror game, that's just common since to me... you kite to gain distance and to have a chance to survive where as behopping makes you invulnerable to lickers for some time, yes a short time but the point still stands. If everyone did it during stealth (making the stealth portions easy as hell) then what's the point of the mission having stealth in the first place? Picture this... you just got the game, you jump into multiplayer for the first time, what's the first thing you expect? Terror? Creap? To be scared? But no, the first thing you see is some dude behopping over to a sleeper and killing him, then the next, then the next, and so on. It ruins stealth as a whole, it ruins the CORE ASPECT of the game which is teamwork, and it ruins the "intro" to the game which is, you have no fucking clue what you're doing and scared to move. When you see someone off an enemy like that you grow FAR more balls, and the people that behop tend to be over confident in their abilities and end up alarming the room. When you know what you're doing and not over confident, that shit is basically cheating. It can take 10 minutes to clear a room if you know what you're doing, however, people who behop can clear it in 5 or less and as a downside, make it all too easy to alert the room. Stealth? Ruined. Fights/loud? Ruined.

[vital sierra]

bhopping do not give you invincibility

it's like you're saying jumping make you invincible

[cosmic sparrow]

Because lickers target near your feet it does but only for a short time.
Another way to look at it is parcore, you go up to a place the enemie cant reach and you're pretty much invincible

[vital sierra]

you can't really prove that tho

[keen solar]

no....?

[vital sierra]

if jumping make you invincible

you can test it yourself

go into a room with 1 enemy, wake him up and jump in place

[distant ice]

Quality double standards and misinformation

[keen solar]

I think you are confused with the concept of cheating and cheese.

[cosmic sparrow]

You misunderstand, LICKERS will try to hit you, because of their targetting they aim to your lower half, because of this, jumping can make you "dodge" making you "invincible"

[magic sierra]

any tips for r5c2 overlord

[vital sierra]

it's pretty long

[keen solar]

Not really long, Find a corner and stay and fight till the first tank shows up

[vital sierra]

use equipment from 2 zones, 1 zone will have a lot of mines and the other will have a lot of c foam

use tho, set up

[keen solar]

You will probably reach 50% by the time the first Tank shows up if they didn't change the Tank timer spawns...

[vital sierra]

this is false

[keen solar]

So dodge means invicible now? I guess hiding behind the structure for the tank fight is also considered as cheating I guess

[vital sierra]

i made an entire video about dodging

[cosmic sparrow]

Go with a biotracker, If you have a good stealther make him go in the quiet rooms alone with it equiped to kill any shadows. Clearing a room alone makes it far easier to do than to have all 4 in at once moving around. It's what i did at least.

[keen solar]

huh?

He's talking about overload part not high part

[cosmic sparrow]

What? That not have shadows in it?

[keen solar]

Overload is the 5 mins S1 scan?

[cosmic sparrow]

My memory is kinda bad so i dont know i guess

[keen solar]

Also, do you know that you can do a tiny dodge when you press left or right with sprint key? Do you consider that as cheating as well?

[cosmic sparrow]

Again, intended

[vital sierra]

jumping

intended

[cosmic sparrow]

Not, to dodge

[keen solar]

You don't need to jump to dodge?

[vital sierra]

why?

[keen solar]

You can actually just walk aside and you can still not get hit

[vital sierra]

"you do not dodge with jumping"

[distant ice]

News flash kiting is not the dev intended way to play and is way more powerful than jump

[keen solar]

Because it is reached the sleeper's max tongue range?

Running and jumping was just something R1-R2 people would do because the sleeper's tongue was way slower so jumping helps to dodge the attack

[vital sierra]

your thought was

bhopping is cheesy because it dodge

but why don't you think that

because you're running away

you're dodging them as well?

and coincidentally, you jump

isn't that make running, cheese?

[distant ice]

Clearly we need royal guard in gtfo

[keen solar]

Also you're arguing about "dodging considers as cheating" So all kind of dodges should consider as cheating in your POV. Nothing is "intended" or "unintended" until the devs say so

[vital sierra]

the thing is, you are running and jumping at the same time

what proof do you have to say that, bhopping is the culprit

it's not the running but it definitely the jumping

[cosmic sparrow]

ok, so... 4 way attack. so first off...

[cosmic sparrow]

want to say sorry and thank you, to you first. i took your advice and jumped into a game and tried it out. even with multiple people telling me this i was clearly misinformed and i took it at face value and i am stupid for that

[cosmic sparrow]

yes this is cheesy however in the context of my stupidy, i still believe that when you "dodge" by simply jumping to take advantage of poor placement of attacks to gain an advantage that the game devs "more than likely" didn't think of, then yes i consider it cheating in some context. again, it's like the parcore as i mentioned earlier (that they fixed by placing invisible walls in the locations you can still jump to but not on which is misleading to me and can kill you in the heat of combat (seen people kill themselves because they thought they could jump onto something while fighting)), when you make yourself invincible to attacks then i consider that cheating. but again, i am stupid and i stand corrected on that misinformation i took to face value. when you do something that in turn makes you wonder if this was intended then you're probably not doing what is intended. running past the enemy is in turn not dodging but juking. i will say this however, not all cheese is bad in every way, and some of it is intended. a licker not being able to lick you because you kited, fell, or juked too far away is (in itself) intended or else lickers would hit you regardless unless you staggered them. and im not saying jumping is bad i was saying behopping which is you intend to jump over and over again, not just simply the act of jumping (comparing to what you're saying here). if you were to walk to the side nonstop and that made you pretty much invincible to lickers then that doesn't sound intended and is more likely to be a bug or poor coding with the enemies as a whole. unless we are referring to the shooters in which case that sounds cheesy but a way to simply dodge the attack. i typically go straight for them and slide under the shot to hit them in the head with the hammer, or i crouch to do a simple dodge, walking to the side is far play or else all these tactics would be close to obsolete making it impossible to deal with them mid combat.

[cosmic sparrow]

true but most speedrunners use game braking glitches to get world records, are those intended? at some point you have to wonder if it isn't, am i mistaken in this presumption?

[keen solar]

That's quite disrespectful for people, like me , who do speedrun lol

Which is ok lol

[cosmic sparrow]

sadly i was arguing which i hate doing but i wouldn't go to those lengths unless it got out of hand like old school runescape

[distant ice]

Don't take jokes seriously

What does dmc have to do with gtfo

[keen solar]

Dmc means devil may cry XD?

[distant ice]

Yes

[cosmic sparrow]

i dont understand?

[distant ice]

Royal guard is a style in another game which has nothing to do with the current context, my joke was for jumping = invincibility meanwhile royal guard pretty much is literal invincibility if you have the reflexes

Technically jumping to dodge requires timing as well though placement is also important

[cosmic sparrow]

sorry i have little means of understanding references lol. poor memory and i've never played it too

[distant ice]

And again you talk about intended vs not intended

For starters as i said, devs have said themselves kiting is not their intended style of play

Bhop is too

But so what

Devs are human. They thought of their own playstyle, we find others

Does that invalidate our style?

[keen solar]

That's why they added cocoon to stop that kind of behavior

Which is good

[cosmic sparrow]

i agree

[cosmic sparrow]

but to this...

no

[spark wolf]

but they only stop dumb people from kiting

[cosmic sparrow]

not at all

[spark wolf]

like

[keen solar]

but saying dodge is cheesy and cheat

[distant ice]

Cocoons don't stop kiting

[spark wolf]

just alert the cocoon room and kite those instead of alarm enemies

[distant ice]

And we don't know all the reasons behind them

[keen solar]

Is like asking real life soldier not to doge bullet. Just stand still and get shot

Everyone should stands still, not to hide, just stand still and die from whatever it attacks us because we are cheating death?

Because, again, dodging attack is cheating

So all the COD players should stand still and shoot each other because running and dodging is cheating

[cosmic sparrow]

what im saying is, through the eye of the individual, i consider it cheating where as you dont. that is just a difference in mindsets. i considered it cheating because of misinformation making me think you basically become immune to most licker attacks when you behop. but i still think it makes stealth really dumb. it doesn't make sinse that you can jump, land on METAL FLOORS, and be just as silent as tho you walked 2 feet

[spark wolf]

bhop in stealth it's just faster

the only valid point where you can complain is if i use it to kill that one dude that woke up in the back of the room

all stealth mechanics still apply

you're misinformed again if you think it's broken for stealth

try fucking walk stealth

same thing but looks more retarded

[distant ice]

Yeah it doesn't make sense but will going for realism here make the game better

Imo it'll make it more boring

[spark wolf]

you make stealth forced slow and its just all rooms agro if there's no special enemy in there

too boring to fucking crouch everything

[distant ice]

Besides technically we can't say it doesn't make sense

We don't know how sleepers work

Who said bigger noise = more trigger

[cosmic sparrow]

then why not just shoot then?

more action

[spark wolf]

because we can stealth and save resources

[distant ice]

Yeah let's handicap ourselves by shooting where resource management is important

[cosmic sparrow]

just like you want

[distant ice]

Kekw

[spark wolf]

we always try to save resources even when we dont have to

[cosmic sparrow]

btw, you were kinda being a dick ngl but that's fine i guess

[spark wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

join game with someone that bhops -> oh wow invincible

[cosmic sparrow]

bet you take a shower naked

gross

[spark wolf]

the socks stay on during showers

[keen solar]

The game asks you to save resources since R1. It's not really about shooting until alarm scans or reactor missions

[fierce leaf]

is it just me or scouts sometimes dont die with a full charge?

[craggy pier]

Either you didn't hit the head, or ladder bug

[fierce leaf]

i hit the front of the head(the crosshair was on the head)

[rain python]

Sometimes when playing as client with high ping this can happen.

[craggy pier]

Also to add the scout head hitbox isn't all too great, sometimes you might hit the head but it'll count as the neck.

[craggy pier]

Did you get an orange hit marker, or even a crit hit marker?

[fierce leaf]

got red marker

[distant ice]

got a recording?

[craggy pier]

The 4 line one?

Then yea, the hammer swing arc fucked you over

[spark wolf]

scout booba hitbox is also too big

nerf booba

[craggy pier]

Buff booba tbh

[spark wolf]

scouts should be flat

[mild tendon]

Buff scout booba

[rain python]

They just need to increase DN multi simple as.

[shrewd dirge]

personally, if im not host, ill jump for normal scouts as well.

less chance of giving him the 'ol fondle

[frigid meadow]

anyone know about how often they take bug hunter apps? ive wanted to be one for the longest time and i just found that i missed the last one a few weeks ago, so mad lol

[distant ice]

Once every rundown i believe

[ember patio]

time is a resource closely related to bladder capacity

[sour grove]

What happen if you don't kill any ennemis of a Reactor Sequence but you put the code in the terminal to make the sequence advance ? Did the Waves stacks until you kill enough ennemis to make her spawn ?

[spark wolf]

for all current reactors the waves are queued and that queue doesn't get cleared upon finishing the reactor

[sour grove]

Okay thank you ! Exactly what i needed to know x)

[wary linden]

it's a way to stop all that kiting during reactor which is a good thing.

[midnight gazelle]

Usually they make you well equipped for the reactor so it's not that bad

[wintry arch]

For B2 you go to a ||bulkhead to grab a cell to use on 1 of two doors pass bloody doors||. For the one near spawn, is there a way to|| turn on fans and remove the massive fog covering the area for security scans||?

[tropic ferry]

nope

cant change fog for b2

you could use fog repellers though

[rain thunder]

Have they fixed toggle sprint yet?

[vital sierra]

i know this has been ask but

[distant ice]

Didn't you ask like a week ago

[vital sierra]

how does toggle sprint work

or the correct way

[distant ice]

Correct way would be to press once while moving and it stays on until you stop moving

Meanwhile it stays on until you press again

[vital sierra]

i thought THAT would be the correct way

[distant ice]

24 may, not even a week ago

That's not how things work here

You can check back a year later and still find bugs present kekw

[vital sierra]

that's just game in 2020 - 2021

[keen solar]

Ah yeah the same person asking the same question

And have been giving negative reviews since the first comment in this server

[sleek kettle]

Does C-foam affect the path finding? Would they always take a un-C-foamed door over a C-foamed one if the distance is the same?

ping me

[keen solar]

@sleek kettle what level?

[vital sierra]

AI are not that smart

[sleek kettle]

in general

[keen solar]

They choose the easier path and the closest door for them to break when you close all doors. Or they will go through the opened door(s)

[sleek kettle]

AI have two doors at equal distance that are both closed. One is C-foamed one is not

does it have any affect?

[vital sierra]

nope

[sleek kettle]

Any evidence or source? Because that what I said but my friend doesn't believe me lol

[keen solar]

Too hard to explain without know what maps tbh

[sleek kettle]

The maps don't matter

[keen solar]

It does

[sleek kettle]

how?

[keen solar]

Situational?

[sleek kettle]

did you read my question?

[sleek kettle]

.

[keen solar]

Like

Is that a narrow area, tiny area or big area? Are those two doors in a line or different angel? Are all doors opened or closed? I can't help if you can't give me example

or specific details?

[vital sierra]

big door, small door

[keen solar]

You can just be like, yo, we don't know how to defense in A1 second alarm scan that is near the extraction

I can immediately give you the solution

If they are in a tiny area (like a rectangle room), they will equally spread out and break two doors. Because enemies will spawn randomly in the room and they will break the door that is closed to their spawn point

[sleek kettle]

I literally gave you one. Two doors Exactly the same . EQUAL distance. Both closed. One is C-Foamed. Does the AI favor un-C-foamed doors. If you aren't sure just let me know. Im trying to ask someone who knows the AI well enough that they can say with certainty whether they favor un-c-foamed or not

[keen solar]

My answer is clear: closest path

Nothing gonna change

Legit gave you the answer

C-foam not C-foam do not matter

[sleek kettle]

So C-foam has no affect. Thank you

[keen solar]

Well you can C-foam a door and that still do not work

There's never a map that have two doors are equaled distance

So

I don't know what to say

[distant ice]

Proof for that is hard to find

[sleek kettle]

I didn't say there was

[keen solar]

good luck?

[sleek kettle]

I am asking about C-form in a controlled environment

[distant ice]

It's just a matter of experience

[keen solar]

You're using unrealistic example and how can I know

Like

[sleek kettle]

yah so far I hadn't noticed anything. but my friend said it does

[keen solar]

I am a visual person. I can't give you answer unless I have an image in my mind

[vital sierra]

unless your friend have freecam

he can't prove it either

[sleek kettle]

well like from your experience in general has C-foamed ever affected it. Which is why I gave a controlled environment so you don't have to consider any other aspect except the C-foamed

and I didn't need to know for any specific map

which is why I was frustrated with your questions at first lol

I should have been more clear sorry

[keen solar]

I mean, you can give me three doors and I could C-foam one random door and still do not work

[sleek kettle]

what do you mean do not work?

[keen solar]

Because I am C-foaming a random door ?

[sleek kettle]

but what doesn't work?

the C-foam?

[keen solar]

You're asking like you've never played the game before

XDDDDD

[sleek kettle]

I have no clue what you mean it doesn't work

why would the C-foam not work

this isn't even relevant to what I asked XD

[keen solar]

You're asking AI pathing right?

[sleek kettle]

yes

[strange skiff]

Enemies goes to closest path; C-foam is irrelevant on their calculation of closest path

[sleek kettle]

alright 3-0 so far. Thank you @strange skiff

[keen solar]

If they are in a equal distance, they will probably break two doors

[sleek kettle]

ok so yah C-foam has no affect on the pathing. That's what I wanted to know. Thank you

[keen solar]

bye puppet

[sleek kettle]

rude but ok

bye

[keen solar]

Because I am aggressive artifact XD?

[sleek kettle]

k

[spark wolf]

closest path is only with open doors

it's generally whatever door is closest

and if they get closer to door y while pathing to door x they'll swap to door y

new behaviour since R4 btw

very noticeable on R4D2 first alarm where they were pathing to the bottom middle door (which is the closest and would be the door they use on any prior rundown), but on their way there they swapped to the door on the right because the path they had to take lead them closer to that door

from what i've seen it still applies to R5

but haven't tested as much

[distant ice]

Seen some weird shit with c1 uplink in the bad zone but not enough to say anything concrete about it

[lusty bramble]

Which zone?

[distant ice]

X13

i forget where we're at in C1

213?

[craggy pier]

113*

the first two zones are 112 and 113

[topaz anvil]

Where is the terminal in the first zone of b1 extre,e

nvm

[torpid dove]

can someone give me a couple of tipps on soloing ? i did good so far till the alarm door (me dying mostly when im trying to finish up the last 1-2 scanns)

things ive tried:

-c-foam the one door they seemingly come through, do scanns and repeat till they break through

• mine the sht out of the paths they come through infront and behind the door they try to breach

• sentry gunning the door from where they come through but from basically behind their backs

a thing i noticed:

• i hipfire extremly much and barely get time to aim at the enemies in the distance (with for example an smg)

[topaz anvil]

The A1 Class 3 Cluster

?

[torpid dove]

yeah, the A1 one

learned a lot already from the monsters by trial and error but i feel like there are tricks i still dont know about or maybe i even use some things wrong

for example how exactly do the mine charges work ? do they blow up things on their radius or do they explode in the lasers direction ?

[distant ice]

shaped charge, think of it as a cylinder

for range to the side it's roughly the same as the distance at which you can put it from yourself

are you dying on the first alarm or 2nd alarm

[torpid dove]

oh god, there is a second alarm i have to go through ?!

[distant ice]

yeah and the first one is pretty easy in comparison

if you close the doors and mine them up, unless rngesus you'll be almost finished with scans by the time they break your door

[torpid dove]

looks like i got rngesus for the most part (wide spread scanns)

but i see that ill mine up the doors more rather than the bigger room

[idle parrot]

On the first one you can mine the door and if you're lucky you'll get the scan done fast enough to not spawn a second wave

[torpid dove]

and the second one ?

[distant ice]

well that one's gonna be a struggle for a first timer

the game doesn't scale to the number of players, always set at 4

you might want to find a team

[idle parrot]

for reference, i have about 40 hours and still can't solo the last scan of A1 but i pretty much only play with four people

without those three extra people you really have to channel your inner fast as fuk boiiiii

[torpid dove]

well im panicking a little when they do sprint at me and after hipfireing dry or them getting too close i run but theyre seemingly faster than me or hit me

i experimented a bit with the range of the melee ones but they always seem to get,not caring from wich range i turn around and sprint away to reposition

so those things are faster than you sprinting ?