gtfo-related-questions

[frosty tinsel]

no like

i thought the artifacts

are perks

when u pick up bold agressive

nothing showed up

[ionic nexus]

they are collectibles that reward at the end

[frosty tinsel]

we got nothing still

[ionic nexus]

and you can slot them in the lobby

[frosty tinsel]

my friend got them

and he had like 4 or 5

and said nothing

maybe he is blind

not sure

[ionic nexus]

you need 1.% worth

to get one

[frosty tinsel]

O

is there any way to get it forever?

[ionic nexus]

so your heat on a level is 100% so then each artifact is worth .1 that means you need 10 to get one booster

[frosty tinsel]

and after u useit

it resets?

[ionic nexus]

no they have limited uses but you can easily find the artifacts

but you can get a lot

[frosty tinsel]

ok ok

just going to stockpile until we get hardstuck

is there new enemies

[ionic nexus]

after getting artifacts tho it lowers the heat so its best if you have low heat to do another level with high heat

[frosty tinsel]

like a lot of them?

im only a1

[ionic nexus]

i can't say that

you will have to ask someone else

[frosty tinsel]

rly?

oh

[ionic nexus]

under NDA lol

[frosty tinsel]

nda?

[ionic nexus]

means i cant spoil things

[frosty tinsel]

ahhh

even if i ask thats wierd

but makes sense

just wanted to know if theres multiple

not exactly what they are

[ionic nexus]

its only for a few days : )

[tiny garden]

so my laptop is hp envy x360 will the game run smoothly?

[frosty tinsel]

kk

[ionic nexus]

theres new dangers ; )

[frosty tinsel]

:D

there better be a water level

[ionic nexus]

#patch-notes if you dont know what has been added or not

underwater donky kong style?

[frosty tinsel]

yeeeeee

only melee lmao

[ionic nexus]

@tiny garden sorry im not to well with the comparison to other GPU's

[tiny garden]

i see

[ionic nexus]

or whatever that is

ohh

yea i ran my old pc with a 1050 and it worked fine

i think you might be good

[muted cypress]

do chargers take extra damage in the head

[ionic nexus]

they have no head multiplier

only back

[muted cypress]

|| what about for that special charger in b1 overload ||

[ionic nexus]

yea, its just a bigger version

might want to put spoiler tag over that

[frosty tinsel]

:O

new enemy

[ionic nexus]

oop

lol

[frosty tinsel]

lmao

yo there should be a jockey

like the big guys

are rode by shooters

would be super funny

[ionic nexus]

lmao

minecraft 2.0

[random locust]

do ||Boosters|| stack?

like if i have ||wep damage on 1 and wep damage on 2 do they add?||

[distant ice]

yes, additive

[random locust]

very epic and based

[surreal grotto]

How do you kill 2 scouts in the same room without triggering each other?

[distant ice]

melee

double kill

shoot from so far away it doesn't trigger

[neon slate]

Does C-Foam Generated % increase from boosters also affect how much foam is needed to reinforce doors?

or is it just for when you spray it on the ground

[rain python]

Should just be how much you use

[severe notch]

Anyone know the bulkhead order for B2 PE?

[thorny current]

Extreme Overload Main

[willow pasture]

Is it a glitch or a feature, that enemies respawn, when leaving an area for a bit?

I'm not sure

[steel valley]

feature

it’s the ceiling eggs

[dull slate]

I tried some of the weapons in R5 and im not sure which ones are good. Any recommendations? i really liked the hel revolver in r4

[lament temple]

“feature” lmao

[dull slate]

thats intended

[thorny current]

-Sniper godlike against biggies
-HEL Weapons good against multiple enemies (in a line; strong ||on C1||)
-Shotguns good all-rounders I would say
-DMR good main when aim is existent
-Pistol is a great all-rounder
-Double-Tap same like DMR
-the rest is fast-shooting with high ammo but not that much high dmg.

It depends what you like I guess.

[dull slate]

ty for the detailed answer :)

[distant ice]

i would come in with the stats police here but eh

[dull slate]

if someone already made a spreadsheet with weapon stats or something similar i'd be interested^^

i like stats police

[distant ice]

not updated for R5 yet unfortunately

[dull slate]

figured

[distant ice]

pretty sure hel rifle good overbalanced this rundown though

[austere bronze]

hel rifle just feels like sniper, but versatile to me

[distant ice]

i was comparing it to shotgun myself

looks about same damage per shot, way higher range, has penetration, and more ammo on top of that

wtf tbh

[austere bronze]

shotgun even got buffed with r5 didnt it

[distant ice]

a bit yeah

"- Slightly increased ammo capacity

• Slightly increased range effectiveness
• One shots chargers"

[austere bronze]

yeah i was making good use of it in ||b1||

[distant ice]

1 - somewhere around 1 bullet
2 - idk man
3 - it already did that

[austere bronze]

defo wished i had a hel rifle for ||overload though||

[shrewd dirge]

fastest easiest scouts to get to?

[austere bronze]

||a2 extreme|| maybe

i think there's some in the first couple rooms in|| c2||

[steel valley]

||b1 has two in each of the two non alarm zones at the start||

[shrewd dirge]

ah yeah, forgot those thanks

[rose cove]

Any tips for a new player?

[craggy pier]

scout is friend :)

[distant ice]

remember, this is bandit country. Shoot everything that moves

seriously tho

[rose cove]

lol, DMR doesn't do shit to them. Learned that last night. Just pissed him off. LOL

[distant ice]

idk man there's a million things to ask and answer in this game

you need to be a little more specific when asking for tips

[rose cove]

It was more for any information you yourself found useful for GTFO. For example, Maybe turning on a flashlight in a new room might be a bad idea, etc. Any small details useful for new players. But thanks for trying anyway.

[distant ice]

i have hundreds of hours in-game dedicated to testing things, all information is useful

it depends on what you know and what you're struggling with in general

and guides show most of the basic stuff

some guides advanced on specific topics

if you're looking for general information it's suggest just a guide

discord is better for specific questions

[shell nest]

Best tip I can give to newer players is always have a backup plan if you agro a room so you know where to hold and survive

And you will probably lose a lot so don't get discouraged

This game gets a lot harder as you move up in the tiers

[distant ice]

my best tip would probably be to record shit

[shell nest]

Especially this rundown

[rose cove]

Thank you, That's exactly what I needed. I appreciate you.

[rose cove]

Why would I need to record? We got sus players?

[distant ice]

all kinds of stuff

sometimes you might catch evidence for cheaters
sometimes you might catch a bug that you can report with evidence
and most of the time some bs will happen that you can't explain and so you review to see what actually happened

[rose cove]

@distant ice Thank you for the clarification, I really appreciate it.

[lament temple]

don’t die

[frosty tinsel]

question

with the new perks

i was told u need 1%

what does that mean

[distant ice]

1% of what

[frosty tinsel]

artifacts

[distant ice]

wat

[frosty tinsel]

this one guy said u need 1% to unlock an artifact/perkl

[distant ice]

1.0 not 1% probably

[frosty tinsel]

o

so

qhat does that mean

makes 0 sense

[distant ice]

every artifact gives you a certain amount of progress towards a booster

at 1.0 progress for that type you get a booster

[soft kiln]

its still percentage anyway

[distant ice]

but not 1%

[soft kiln]

1.00 = 100%
just think this way

[distant ice]

2nd grade maths

the confusion was from the original message of 1%

it's solved now

[soft kiln]

ye

[white kettle]

Hey guys now that R5 is here and the burst cannon got removed, whats a good gun for taking out big fellas?

[weary mesa]

Sniper

[distant ice]

hel rifle

[weary mesa]

sniper is more consistent for bigs with precision

Hel rifle requires setup to be effiecient and sometimes it's won't always be that way

Same with the helgun

[desert marlin]

HEL rifle is way more ammo efficient though

staggers big chargers per shot

and there are way more situations overall that align collateral kills

[shrewd dirge]

im partial to the chad hel gun

[sterile egret]

Hey so I'm watching a guide from 2020 by Professor Scaler,

And he seems to mention a mechanic where, the more you disturb sleepers (without putting them in attack mode), the more sensitive they become?

https://youtu.be/s72mOSg0jo4?t=689
is that a thing?
or did I misunderstand what he meant?

[shrewd dirge]

gimmie sec

[distant ice]

baloney

probably misunderstood that enemies react to crouch-walking in close proximity

with more people there they just like to move closer or a tiny bit away, kinda fidgeting

and keep waking up the sleeping mf

[shrewd dirge]

honestly, it might have explained why i felt shadows in E1 felt more sensitive than usual sleepers

but for this to arise in standard gameplay, you must have an absolutely glacial pace for it to matter.

as storm said, its likely fidgeting in standard gameplay

[sterile egret]

I see, now, on the topic of Sentries, from what I've gathered, the Shotgun sentry was absurdly broken to the point the Burst Sentry was kinda just bad compared to it and the got shafted, and the Auto Sentry seems to be a very recent addition,

Now I usually prefer using the Auto-Sentry because it feels like a very strong Crowd Control tool, but is it better than the Burst Sentry?

[distant ice]

i've spent over a literal hour in a room with sleepers not killing them when testing some shit

they didn't get any more "sensitive"

big part of that was afking yes but

there was also a lot of waking and moving

[shrewd dirge]

yeah, sleepers dont get any more sensitive over time.

i think he was talking about the more people in proxy makes sleepers more sensitive.

[sterile egret]

I see, and about my other question, Auto vs Burst Sentry, which is better?

[distant ice]

auto doesn't really kill things, only staggers them

[shrewd dirge]

think of auto sentry not as CC but as a sticky trap

[distant ice]

burst can actually kill something

[shrewd dirge]

slows em down. not much else.

[distant ice]

so depends on what you want

also sentry aim supposedly got improved this rundown so that needs testing

[sterile egret]

other question, do sleepers react to the sound of a C-Foam launcher?

[shrewd dirge]

i was circle kiting chargers for a half hour in front of a sniper sentry, it never shot me once. so i think its better

c-foam is silent in every variation

sleepers dont even know they're foamed

[sterile egret]

I'm wondering if you can try and snipe a Scout with a C-Foam launcher without triggering an all out gunfight basically

[shrewd dirge]

yes, easily.

even from beyond tent distance, just shoot 1 or 2 pellets at a time.

when you hear the freeze-scream, push in and hammer charge.

[sterile egret]

uh, about shotguns, I usually use auto, and I love it especially as, well again, as a crowd control tool, but I was never a HUGE fan of the base pump shotgun, tho maybe I'm mis-using it, but on a forum I saw someone say Pump-Action > Auto Shotty

that true?

[shrewd dirge]

different weapons for different situations.

[distant ice]

shotguns are in a pretty sad position right now imo

[sterile egret]

Pump feels like it does alot more dmg obviously, but it usually feels like a bad idea to try and approach a Big Striker to burst them with a shotgun, apparently they can turn around and do an absolutely devastating Left-Right combo

that does like 80% dmg

[shrewd dirge]

if you staggered, they cant swing until they get out of it.
people commonly hammer rush lone giants at higher levels.

the standard shotgun does not need to be that close to confront giant strikers

combat, probably, but 2-3 round from behind with cs, and its likely dead.

[distant ice]

both shotguns damage unchanged iirc

~6 for cs, 2 for semi

from behind

anyway a lone giant is nothing to be afraid of

[sterile egret]

I see, but yeah me and my friends just started playing together and this rundown we're still on the first level because we keep getting swarmed on the Class 3 Alarm Security door on the way back to the end of the mission, after overriding lockdown, tho now I have an idea what to do, might try and use Mine Deployer, while someone uses a sentry, and the other can use C-Foam launcher to control the door in the 2way tunnel under the walkway, because the 2 times we tried, in the second scan wave, we had to walk directly into the small 2way tunnel, whilst ennemies were pouring from inside of it

to be fair we just tried it two times but still

the two last times we were running double sentry + C-Foam + Detector

but I might pick up Mine Deployer

[shrewd dirge]

||personally, the scans on A1 are a particular snore fest with mines+foam on the 2nd door (if we're talking about the cluster) to the point you can basically do the scan entirely uncontested||

[sterile egret]

yeah I think the reason we were struggling so much is because we badly itemized for the mission

[shrewd dirge]

its A1, it shouldnt matter much.

[distant ice]

it's A1, it should be a snorefest*
*for veterans

[sterile egret]

well, I'm not sure which rundown it is, but first time I played, a while ago, it was with a friend, so it was as a duo, it was the rundown where A1 you gotta get 6 HDDs, and A2 I think you had to get like a Cell to power a generator? not sure which rundown that is, but A2 felt WAAAAY easier than A1

so I thought maybe the missions didnt necessarily get harder

[shrewd dirge]

that was rundown 4. these A sets are of approximately the same difficulty.

[sterile egret]

or maybe its not the missions but the level/depth

yeah

[distant ice]

supposedly but R4A2 is probably a contestant for easiest level in GTFO

[shrewd dirge]

id drink to that.

(of all time)

[sterile egret]

yeah we kinda just opened a door and the cell was sitting on a shelf right in front of it lmao

the ones that sound painful, apparently there's a couple missions where you IMPERATIVELY need a Bio-Scanner

[shrewd dirge]

yeah, the B-set/high smells pretty nasty for beginners.

[distant ice]

not a groovy rundown for newbies hmm

[sterile egret]

especially the last R4 mission, never tried it or seen what the twist is, but the description was ominous as fuck

Something along the lines of "Is it just me or the fog is... moving..." something like that, lmao

[shrewd dirge]

E1? nightmare.

esp for pubs

[weary mesa]

E1 fun except for the piss easy reactor

[sterile egret]

so uh those boosters, are those rundown specific? Because that wasnt a thing in R4 iirc

[distant ice]

new feature

[sterile egret]

or is that a new mechanic

[distant ice]

not rundown-specific

[sterile egret]

oh shit

I see

[shrewd dirge]

probably not specific.

[weary mesa]

think of it as the layered of last rundown, basically a new feature they'll work around with more in future rundowns but it's new to this one

[icy nacelle]

||I mentioned it to someone last night and I think this is what Clay is basically referring to: my team C-Foamed the door outside the scan room, do the full team scan, then the C-Foam guy (me in our case) runs back out to that single door and keeps it foamed while everyone else does the cluster. A mine on the door for when it breaks will then pop about the whole wave and you just clear anything left standing, but as we didn't have mines we just had sentries facing inwards on the door immediately opposite the security one and then held out on the bridge||

I so wish I had an actual screenshot to illustrate what I mean but.. I don't

whoops

[sterile egret]

uhm, so the video I'm watching from Professor Scaler, he talks about fog mechanics, more specifically infestation fog, and he never mentions Fog Repellants, were those not a thing a year ago? or do Fog Repellants tend to not spawn in Toxic Fog missions?

[shrewd dirge]

fog repellers are basically always found anywhere

[weary mesa]

They weren't before R2

[shrewd dirge]

^

[weary mesa]

R2 was the infection rundown which most people would hate now

[sterile egret]

ah so maybe they werent implemented back then

[weary mesa]

I think fogs were in the game before infection tho iirc

[sterile egret]

ah so maybe he just... forgot to mention it, because I assume fog repellants work on Infectious Fog, no?

[distant ice]

i hated the infection always tho

[weary mesa]

I've always loved it

One of my favorite mechanics

[shrewd dirge]

i dont mind infection fog when we get coolaid stations.
i take issue with spitters.

[distant ice]

fog repellers were there in R1, infection was not

they were more of a meme than glowsticks though

[weary mesa]

spitters are just buggy still hope they are more consistent in future rundowns

[sterile egret]

OH RIGHT, okay me and my friends are all a bit confused about that, what's the point of glowsticks, and more specifically them having two colors? They never really seem to help with visibility, and uh the color doesnt seem to affect function? Maybe they're good in rooms that are chock-full of ennemies but also pitch black where you can't just use your flashlight willy-nilly?

[distant ice]

clown meme intensifies with these new features

[weary mesa]

lmao

[distant ice]

red glowsticks are a christmas thing

[icy nacelle]

R2 Is the only rundown I've never really played at all (well I only ever really manage A-tiers and maybe one or two B-tiers anyway), we did some scouting runs on the missions and said screw it, this is hell. I still hate Spitters so much

[distant ice]

they're gone now

for the use

well

[shrewd dirge]

||sticks often trigger perks.|| also, lighting key areas for moments.

[distant ice]

pitch black rooms with scouts for the most part, for me at least

[sterile egret]

oh lol, because they seem to be so unimpactful, that we noticed you can literally throw one at a Sleeper's face, it'll bounce on its face, and the Sleeper wont even budge

which was pretty hilarious the first time we noticed

Fog Repellants too, sometimes we'll just throw a whole-ass repellant at a Sleeper's face for shits and giggles and the Sleeper just doesnt give a shit

[distant ice]

that's just balancing things tbh

[shrewd dirge]

while i shared your confusion, id much rather them make no noise because balance.

[icy nacelle]

^

[shrewd dirge]

otherwise they'd truly be useless

[distant ice]

useful for triggering shit in the fog/darkness 30 meters away

[sterile egret]

well the noise is fine, its more the fact that you can throw this thing that looks like it weighs like 10 pounds, directly on the back of a Sleeper's head and they dont even start glowing

just kinda funny to me

[distant ice]

most laughs i've had in the recent days are bhopping in pitch black areas straight into giants

[sterile egret]

apparently there's missions where it's pitch black and you can't use your flashlights? Or maybe Professor Scaler was just theorizing but that sounds kinda... Spicy

[distant ice]

lighting doesn't change how enemies react to light

🤔 i guess he might have been teasing at a specific type of enemies if you want spoilers from previous rundowns

[sterile egret]

I heard about an ennemy called shadows, I think? but even he didnt mention that even though he seems to know alot about GTFO, so maybe its like a huge spoiler?

unless we wont see those Rundowns again?

[distant ice]

shadows been a thing since R1 and they're present in every rundown iirc

except R3 maybe?

but anyway in R4 we had pitch black zones with shadows in them

only thing he might have been hinting at

R3C1

R2 didn't have chargers

[gentle oracle]

r3 didnt have shadows no

yes

[distant ice]

several

[sterile egret]

uh... never saw one I think? neither in R4 or the current Rundown, I saw strikers, shooters, big strikers and shooters, Scouts

[gentle oracle]

didnt see shadows in R4?

[distant ice]

they're in the lower tiers or harder sectors usually

[gentle oracle]

what levels did you do?

[distant ice]

he didn't do a lot in R4

[sterile egret]

well when I played in R4 I was new and so was my friend, we were only 2, a duo, which isnt recommended afaik

so we only cleared, like... 3? of them

[gentle oracle]

yeah shadows were only in the late levels

c2 c3 d2 e1

[icy nacelle]

I play with a trio and we basically only managed that as well. We only managed to finally beat B1 Like a week before R5 Dropped.

[sterile egret]

to be fair, it was absolutely brutal

but we had alot of fun

as a duo

forced us to REALLY think outside the box

[distant ice]

i was in duo for the first 3 rundowns, late in R4 ext (this year) we found a third

game got a lot different with a third player

[icy nacelle]

Oh most of my GTFO Time is as a duo. Hell we only did B1 A week before because we finally got our third man back online after like two months of inactivity.

It was satisfying to finally clear it though. We got bummed out because on a previous go at it we had an issue that caused all of us to DC, and we were just shy of the final door and had plenty of supplies as well.

[sterile egret]

right now, I got 3 other friends to get the game despite their hatred of horror games, and we've been playing as 4 since yesterday, they're all addicted,

same tbh, one of the coolest games I've played in years

[distant ice]

gtfo is only a horror game until you get familiar with all enemies

except for spitters sometimes ffs

[icy nacelle]

Or artifacts.

[sterile egret]

coolest thing was the first time I used a terminal, its very similar to using Windows CMD, and as an IT Technician, I quickly became familiar with them

[distant ice]

there's 2 types of people

those who fight over who gets to use it first - the guys familiar with some type of command-line interfaces, and those who shove it on one dude from the group and never touch it again

[icy nacelle]

The latter is my group, absolutely my group.

[sterile egret]

tho tbf they're very simple anyways, but yeah I'm that dude, my friends hate having to touch it

I love it

so eh

[lament temple]

just wait until you’re the uplink man, that’s when you reach your peak with terminals

[distant ice]

i agree they're very simple

but tell it to all of them

[sterile egret]

so like, do we know if there are gonna be new ennemies in future rundowns? or are the devs usually very secretive about that and let us discover for ourselves once they come out

those specific devs seem to be the latter type

[wise thicket]

Almost every rundown will have 1 new enemy

[distant ice]

they are very secretive about it

but also what he said

[sterile egret]

especially with how the lore seems to be set up, they seem to set it up à-la Dark Souls

where its kinda hidden for the finding

[icy nacelle]

Funnily enough the only time one of my trio actually wanted to use terminals at all was to try the uplinks in I believe it was R4B3.

I actually had to persuade him that it was faster to just let me do it by myself, because he'd also ask what the codes were and then complain that he couldn't hear what we were saying over audio. So y'know.. weird choice.

[lament temple]

you do it so much that you do the whole pre-backspacing shit while the other commands are loading. and yeah weird time to pick learning the terminal

[sterile egret]

right now I'd say my biggest gripe with the game, though its understandable from the devs POV, is that, its this kinda game where, as a group of busy adults, its super hard to consistently get playtime, because I honestly dont wanna play with randoms, CBT sounds more appealing than that

[icy nacelle]

Oh.. please. He even makes sure to use the exit command everytime on the terminal rather than just backing out of it.

[lament temple]

now that’s something i haven’t done, never thought about that

[distant ice]

there's an exit command on the terminal?

[stark spade]

same

[icy nacelle]

I've seen him type it out multiple times. I dunno how it actually works because I've also never done it.

Like why spend the time doing that rather than just back out?

[sterile egret]

like it would be nice if they put a bot system in place where if you're only 2 or 3, you can have like, a single bot with you, and all that bot will do is stay stealthy in the back and follow, only providing support in the form of gunfire in the event of an actual fight

[icy nacelle]

I'll quickly load A2 To check since there's a terminal in the first room.

[lament temple]

eh makes shit complicated

[icy nacelle]

So basically how bots work in PAYDAY 2 Stealth.

[lament temple]

even if you have a bot that follows behind, they could fuck it up if you just sneak past a room rather than clear it

[icy nacelle]

Though in that case the bots go and stand in a spot until you trigger loud, rather than a bot that would have to actively follow you.

[lament temple]

would also probably be weird for scans and if they don’t scan, it doesn’t fit into the storyline since it’s a bio scan

[distant ice]

the bots cannot do well in a game like this

[sterile egret]

well, Idk for you guys, but the only time I really get to play GTFO, is for like 3 hours in the late evening before going to sleep, because well, all 4 of us have jobs and things to do

[distant ice]

the amount of effort needed would be absolutely not worth

[distant ice]

as someone who has work and bachelor's final work i envy that kind of free time

[lament temple]

there’s too many variables and it’s a game about finesse, so not worth it. at that point probably better to bring a turret and solo lol

[sterile egret]

@distant ice Well one of us has University but they just finished I think like 2 days ago, I have a job and just finished a trade-school diploma and might start college soon, so to put it simply it's very rare for all 4 of us to be there

[icy nacelle]

Yup, can confirm this now. Typing "EXIT" literally just does the same as hitting ESC Or whatever keybind to exit out of the terminal, expect you have to y'know.. type EXIT.

[lament temple]

if you’re that eager to play and you guys can’t all meet up, lfg is an option. i think that’d be better than bots

[lament temple]

never knew that, that’s awesome

[distant ice]

but why tho

it sounds so pointless it's funny

[icy nacelle]

Mhm.

[distant ice]

type exit to get your ass up? does that work irl too?

[lament temple]

it works to close programs on a console, i’m assuming it wouldn’t just leave you staring at a blank screen lol

[sterile egret]

well the thing is that if I base myself on my past PvE matchmaking experiences (WoW, Payday etc), usually alot of allies will kinda just fuck it up for everyone, maybe its not as bad in GTFO, where I assume the community might be a little more mature

[distant ice]

it could just leave you bugged out like it sometimes does when teammates pass by

[velvet steeple]

is there any issue with the in-game voice chat?

[distant ice]

staring at a "detecting personnel" screen

[sterile egret]

no, just generally being bad and not knowing mechanics and doing really dumb shit

[lament temple]

i mean people still are gonna fuck it up with scouts and the like but not many trolls in game

[wise thicket]

I only ran into 2 trolls

both were in R1

[distant ice]

you can use lfg as a trial period for finding new static teammates

[sterile egret]

like if you fuck up a melee sneak, thats fine, but I mean people who keep repeating mistakes and shit?

I remember in WoW Mythic+ Dungeons at some point I just stopped doing them entirely because it was so painful to watch our allies try to do basic bossfight mechanics, and in a game like this, a bad teammate sounds like an even bigger detriment

[lament temple]

yeah you sometimes get that “scout killer” who ends up waking all of them lmao but it’s not that common (at least in my lfg experiences)

[distant ice]

trade resources for an extra tool and bioscan speed

[sterile egret]

well thats the thing, GTFO sounds like it might have a better community than a game like WoW

[distant ice]

random teammates are just like boosters

[wise thicket]

lol

[lament temple]

i mean i never played WoW idk

only one way to find out if you think the community’s better and that’s by trying lfg for a couple games and see the results

[distant ice]

you'll have to try it for yourself but yeah

[lament temple]

most people are pretty serious and just wanna finish the level same as you

[distant ice]

and for most people it seems they're not as bad as what you described

[wise thicket]

Most people I played with were chill.

[sterile egret]

at least this game isn't like warframe where most missions can be infinite and if you play with randoms they might just decide to grind the same mission for like 6 hours and you're kinda just stuck with them, god-knows where they find the time to do all that

but GTFO missions can be super long, at least with my group, especially since 3 of us are brand new, and I'm the most experienced by a mere 15 hours

[icy nacelle]

Sounds like me, except I'm just the poor sod in the group who's automatically assigned that role since I'm the only one bold enough to attempt it, as well as to actually try and practice it (typing this literally after just killing one).

[distant ice]

with limited time it do be like that

if you're stuck nearly completing something like a PE, with limited time it's 2 tries and gg

[sterile egret]

yeah

[distant ice]

life sux

[sterile egret]

exactly

[lament temple]

nah i more mean the dudes who like rush in to kill scouts and are talking about how many they’ve killed and how they’re beta players and then just botch it 3 times in a row

[sterile egret]

get home from work, eat dinner, it's already like 6PM and then I gotta make sure not to sleep TOO late, so we have about 3 hours, 4 if we're lucky

wait professor scaler's talking about how shoving is really strong and he mentionned an ennemy called the "Charger"? MonkaS

[distant ice]

or just straight fall asleep for no reason for an hour or two

[hoary timber]

is this game suitable/playable for people with a high factor of arachnophobia ? i have a friend who want's to play the game but is deathly scared of spiders

[distant ice]

probably

there's no spiders but i guess there's some things that might vaguely in a weird way resemble one? phobias don't make sense

can your buddy play killing floor tho

[sterile egret]

I mean from my own limited experience I've never seen an arachnid, but sometimes, an ennemy will move on all fours either on their belly, or their back, and it might look VAGUELY Spider-like, but still obviously, not a spider or an arachnid

I dont think I've ever even seen something with more than the standard 4 limbs tho

so your friend should be fine I guess?

[distant ice]

yeah about that

[sterile egret]

oh my god

LMAO

[lament temple]

yeah there’s only one thing i can think of that’s vaguely spider-like

it’s also just fucking ugly

[sterile egret]

wait how long do rundowns last?

a week? 2 weeks? a month?

[gentle oracle]

between like 3-5 months

also there was only 1 rundown extension that happened

whether itll happen again is just up for speculation

[lament temple]

i just figured since r5 seems kinda short

only 1d and no e

[distant ice]

looks at R3

[gentle oracle]

yeah r3 didnt get that kind of treatment

[distant ice]

various but we're in early access so it's really on the amount of work that needs doing

[lament temple]

but r5 is a special boy

[distant ice]

R5 will probably not end until autumn

[sterile egret]

and how old is GTFO again?

Because something weird I noticed, when you look at Steam Charts, there's often VERY FEW people playing GTFO, like barely any, which weirded me out, because the game has exceptional reviews, and for a little while I remember alot of big streamers trying it on Twitch

[gentle oracle]

i HOPE we get an extension

[distant ice]

2019 december

[lament temple]

@sterile egret scroll down the lfg channels

and that’s just those using lfg

[distant ice]

as devs themselves have stated, they don't expect people to be grinding the game continuously

new rundown comes out, people come back, check it out, play for some time, and go back to other stuff while they wait for a new one

[sterile egret]

wait there was 5K people playing a couple minutes ago, last week I checked there were barely 600... OH WAIT, maybe due to the way it works, its a game that gets peak player numbers during weekend due to people having more time to play together and set up?

[distant ice]

...or when a new rundown comes out

just a guess

[sterile egret]

oh yeah also new rundown

[spark stone]

how do i get my friends into my lobby

[sterile egret]

fuck nvm I thought the game didnt have alot of players but thats a fine number... I wish Planetside 2 could have those numbers PepeHands

[gentle oracle]

cant they just join if youve friended them on steam?

[distant ice]

if steam friends just invite, if not then lobby id

[spark stone]

how do i make a lobby. sorry im very new

[distant ice]

click on a level and hold down "host lobby"

you'll get thrown into a new screen

[lament temple]

planetside 2 is pay to win

it’s heinous

[sterile egret]

but yeah I fucking love this game as of now,

It's kinda pathetic that imo, the 3 best games I've played since the last, let's say 2 years, are Risk of Rain 2, Hades and most likely this,

all indie games

[lament temple]

if you like hades you should check out void bastards. not as polished but cool ass game

[spark stone]

thanks

[sterile egret]

I mean GTFO is an indie game in early access, and its still alot more fun, and polished than most Triple A games, same with Risk of Rain 2 and Hades

something fucky's going on in the industry

[distant ice]

money's going on in the industry

[sterile egret]

yeah Indie Games are made with passion

AAA games are made with money

I guess thats a simple explanation

[ionic nexus]

its not triple A

lmao

it can imply it but it will never be triple A

[sterile egret]

it does? I mean I dont think it has Triple A budget for sure at least, even if it might have a publisher (Idk if it does)

[ionic nexus]

due to it not being a big publisher unless you now want to count the partnership between 10cent and them being a publisher

In the video-game industry, AAA is an informal classification used to categorise games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, which typically have higher development and marketing budgets than other tiers of game

i think its more for finding people to hire

: )

[icy nacelle]

a fellow RoR2 Fan

[ionic nexus]

well yea but its probably flavour text

[distant ice]

imagine trusting the marketing

[ionic nexus]

^

[sterile egret]

and another thing that is becoming a bigger and bigger issue as years go by imo in the AAA Games market, is more and more AAA games are piss-poor optimized and run like shit on most hardware, RDR2, CP2077, Outriders, Outer Worlds, Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed etc etc etc, they run like absolute garbage even on really powerful hardware,

But most indie games are super well optimized even in Early Access compared to AAA

they usually also look simpler, but still

[ionic nexus]

10cc self published their own game and theyre a very small team

[sterile egret]

@icy nacelle oy

wait...

[ionic nexus]

well now yea

[sterile egret]

what is backed by tencent? GTFO?

[ionic nexus]

wasnt before

they just have a share in it

they arent owned by 10cent

[sterile egret]

and they just bought Warframe too iirc... man Tencent is scary imo, they're getting shares in everything and buying a bunch of companies

Riot Games, Blizzard, PUBG, and... I think Fortnite/Epic? ugh

[gentle oracle]

klei : (

[ionic nexus]

no

[sterile egret]

I mean already the fact that they OWN Riot Games, who make League of Legends, which I think if you count Korea/China is still the biggest game in the world, and thats just the tip of the iceberg

an ever-growing iceberg made out of money

anyways Tencent is like... the Disney of video games right now

[distant ice]

wouldn't minecraft be the biggest game in the world

kek

[fierce leaf]

what does the regen booster

[lament temple]

the owner is whoever has the most stock lmao

yes

not ownership, they acquired a major stake not that they have majority

likely 20-40%, depending on the other shareholders (if there are any)

[sterile egret]

@distant ice well, maybe?, Minecraft is insanely popular, almost as much as League, but with tournaments and in game MTXs league pulls more money I think and if you count china and korea, where League of Legends is basically a religion, well, yeah

[limber hazel]

I'm hoping I'm just dumb and missing it: is there a setting to prevent GTFO from muting itself when I Alt-Tab?

[sterile egret]

I think maybe if you put it in Borderless-Windowed? Alot of games will mute on Alt-Tab when in Fullscreen but become a bit more flexible in Borderless

[distant ice]

but alt-tab is the best way to prevent deafness from elevator drops

why would you want it that way

[sterile egret]

or the jumpscare in the intro

when you "link up" or whatever

[distant ice]

and no windowed fullscreen still mutes

[limber hazel]

@distant ice Because it's kinda frustrating when using ingame voice that if I alt-tab I can't hear anyone :c

[distant ice]

ah.

discord kekw

[lament temple]

just don’t alt tab

second monitor and windowed

[distant ice]

well that's a legit concern but i don't think there is such an option

[limber hazel]

@lament temple I have ADHD, the attention span of a potato. It's really hard not to alt-tab if I'm in a lobby waiting.

[sterile egret]

the only gripe I have is when I alt-tab to soundpad to play loud hentai moaning to scare my friends when they're about to sneak kill a sleeper, I have to make sure I dont accidentally shoot when clicking back on the game

[limber hazel]

@sterile egret right-click to click without shooting 😉

[sterile egret]

true, though you tagged the wrong person

kek

[lament temple]

second monitor

[distant ice]

kekw

phone?

[limber hazel]

I am not used to larger servers where I have to type the full name :c

[limber hazel]

I have a second monitor. Still have to alt-tab to release the cursor from GTFO

[lament temple]

just have hulu playing already before you load gtfo and then hit the pause/play button on your keyboard when it’s time

[sterile egret]

OR, buy a second PC with an RTX3090 so you can watch hulu on another screen when playing GTFO

[lament temple]

and get double monitors for that pc too

[sterile egret]

yeah so you can Multibox in GTFO

[lament temple]

just duo with yourself

[sterile egret]

while watching Hulu, and going on Amazon to buy a third PC and 2 extra monitors for even more multitasking

[wintry arch]

In the LFG tab, some people say “PE”, what’s that mean?

[lament temple]

prisoner efficiency

completing high, extreme, and overload all in one go

[wintry arch]

Wait...so do “Every objective”? Wow...

[wise thicket]

Yes

It’s fun

For some PE levels are fun

Some not

[wintry arch]

Honestly lol. I thought optional objectives mean youd still have to do the main objective still.

[lilac fulcrum]

you always have to do the main objective

[wintry arch]

Ok. So PE A1 would just be saying “yeah, we’re doing A1 Extreme” since A1 only has hard and extreme?

[distant ice]

no

only levels with all 3 sectors have pe

[wintry arch]

Ok. Good to know.

[lament temple]

But yes it’s doing both optional in addition to the main objective

high is the main objective

extreme and overload are the options, and every level with overload also has extreme

[wintry arch]

Ok. Cause I’ve attempted Extremes before in the previous rundown, but it was only A-tiers that still ended up with my team wiping

[lilac fulcrum]

.t sectors

[uneven gulch]

Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
High (Main Sector)
Extreme (Second Sector)
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)

Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time. In order to unlock certain tiers you will need to satisfy their sector requirements.

[lilac fulcrum]

that might help a little

[lament temple]

that would’ve saved some time lol

[wintry arch]

Lol. The explanation wasn’t wasted though

[lament temple]

good luck with your expeditions, though

and no need to rush for pe, you can always come back and do that once you finish other objectives

[wintry arch]

Oh don’t worry. Probably won’t do a PE till next rundown considering my teams skill (me included)

[sterile egret]

Uh just wanna confirm I'm not crazy here, there's a dodge mechanic in this game, right?

pressing shift while strafing/walking backwards

[wintry arch]

All that time will be spent dying

[lament temple]

yes

[wintry arch]

It’s not a fully fleshed out dodge, but it is possible to avoid attacks

[sterile egret]

okay, now do people actually use it? because its so tiny that the first time me and a friend saw it we werent sure if that was intentional behaviour

[lament temple]

it’s helpful for dodging shooter projectiles sometimes

[wintry arch]

You strafe when the shooters are shooting you. That’s about it. There’s some timing to it, but it’s more of a instinct thing you gotta learn. It’s hard to explain

[muted socket]

just a question.. isn't run sliding a bit quicker than the bhop method during a kite?

[distant ice]

the tiniest bit but yes

[sterile egret]

wait are Blood Doors a thing in the current Rundown

[distant ice]

bhop helps you dodge attacks though

[distant ice]

in every rundown since R2

[sterile egret]

I see

[wintry arch]

Blood doors? Are they security doors just smeared in blood?

[sterile egret]

they're like an anti-alarm door

[distant ice]

well actually no

they're like that blood elevator from that one movie

[wintry arch]

Oh ok. So the doors in ||A2||?

[distant ice]

why you gotta spoil

[muted socket]

thats what I figured.. normally I just use the bhop method

[distant ice]

lmao that was meant to the other guy but

[wintry arch]

I mean. It still counts

[distant ice]

yeah

[sterile egret]

my bad

[distant ice]

🤔

you don't actually need to spoiler that, shit's been around since R2

no rules apply to it

i just wanted to mess with him a little

[wintry arch]

Without spoiling what they are, roughly how many enemy variants are there? I’ve only been to B-Tier like thrice last rundown so I’ve only encountered ||Strikers, Shooters, their big variants, and scouts||

[distant ice]

variants or uniques?

[sterile egret]

same as fox in my case

[wintry arch]

Basically anything that’s different from the dormants you’d see in higher lvls

[distant ice]

can't say i remember all of them tbh, i know all of them, but can't call from the top of my head

like 14?

[sterile egret]

is there actually a general term for all the ennemies in GTFO? Sleepers seems to be the general name but uh ||Scouts and some others clearly dont really count I think?||

[lament temple]

i got 13 but i think i’m missing something

[distant ice]

i probably am still missing something too

[wintry arch]

Cool. Was just asking out of curiosity of how different the enemies there are, average spitball number works

[distant ice]

some are just so similar

[lament temple]

oh yeah i got the 14th

uh

hm

[sterile egret]

so from that number that means someone like me or Fox who have only seen the basic uglies, only really have scratched the surface

[distant ice]

'tis why i said uniques or variants

some of them are really similar

[wintry arch]

Like, I know ||scouts|| are officially called ||scouts||, but me and my friends just always call them feelers

[lament temple]

oh think i got 15

but that’s like variants

[distant ice]

i say sleepers as a general term for all of them

[lament temple]

strikers are what i call the regular dudes

[wintry arch]

Yeah, close enough. Just wanted to know the general number.

[sterile egret]

Are all variants and uniques always available in all rundowns, or are there some we havent seen in a while?

[distant ice]

some might not be present in a rundown

[sterile egret]

like is there maybe a specific infected that might've been shafted after a rundown because it got lukewarm reception from the community?

[distant ice]

none of that no

just didn't get in the level design i guess

[wintry arch]

I call sleepers “bogies” sometimes, or just use basic pronouns like “they are up ahead”. Then I call the ||large|| variants for them “||big|| dudes”

[lament temple]

i call those titans

strikers, shooters, scouts, titans, and chickens are the ones you’ve seen i believe (in my terminology)

[sterile egret]

I see... are there any ||Boss Fights / ACTUAL unique ennemies||

[lament temple]

yes

[sterile egret]

oooh that sounds spicy

[lament temple]

i mean i haven’t done d1 for r5 yet so idk about this rundown but for r4 yes

[wintry arch]

I’ve heard of the official names, strikers, shooters, scouts. But like I said, my team normally just does childish nicknames for them like feelers

“There’s shooties up ahead”

[sterile egret]

to be fair your character calls their tendrils "feelers"

[distant ice]

well

[wintry arch]

Full charge to the head kills them right? (As long as they don’t got that ||invincibility period right before they alert||)

[distant ice]

"Boss" but not really boss

all of them can still be melted in seconds

[distant ice]

as they scream and yes

[sterile egret]

The basic ennemies, I think they're usually shooters, that quickly crawl on all 4s like the little girl from the ring, are those considered variants or are they just normal shooters that just so happen to crawl? and I didnt spoiler mark this because I always see them even in A1s

[lament temple]

shooters have the spiky head

strikers are the normal variant that crawl and melee you

[wintry arch]

What’s the best way to stealth a ||big striker||? My friends tried 4 full charges melees to (what we assume is the head), might have had a small lag or something, but we never seem to kill it quietly and take massive damage

[lament temple]

and no those are one variant but there were different variants in r4 of those enemies deeper down

[sterile egret]

just heard about ||Surge Alarms|| and they sound really painful

[lament temple]

hit them from behind, iirc it’s two fully charged melees to the back of the head or 3 to just the back

[distant ice]

the sleeping/moving positions don't count as variants

[sterile egret]

like maybe professor scaler made it sound worse than it is

but it sounds awful

[distant ice]

enemies take more damage from behind

[wintry arch]

Back of head does more then front of head too?

[lament temple]

yes

[sterile egret]

apparently there's a specific point behind a sleeper's head where you can one tap them from a single, uncharged melee

[distant ice]

multiplicative

[wintry arch]

Wow. Good to know

[sterile egret]

like at the base of the neck

[lament temple]

occiput

back of the head

[distant ice]

it's not a specific hitbox

it's just the head hit from behind

head is a hitbox, behind is just your position

[lament temple]

that’s how you 2 or 3 kill sleepers without waking a room by yourself

[distant ice]

and back damage scales up to double depending on how "behind" you are

[wintry arch]

I mean, I can double kill by doing roughly a 3/5 charge if I’m fast enough. But that’s good info

[sterile egret]

ah okay, professor scaler said that apparently sometimes you'll try to hit the occiput, but as the sleeper holds its head in its hands, the hands clip through the head and you might get a hand hit which doesnt one shot, maybe it got fixed since then

[lament temple]

yeah shit happens

but tbh waking up a room of just strikers usually isn’t that bad

just run around and bonk them

[wintry arch]

Like when you stealth kill, but the farthest sleeper in the room wakes up lol.

[lament temple]

yeah sight lines are weird

[wintry arch]

Me and my friends think it’s some sort of desync bug. So the game says it’s sleeping, but in actuality it’s yawning or something

[sterile egret]

I think if you stealth kill an ennemy, but a sleeper in the back of the room, is looking in your direction, and enters stage 2/3 awareness as you hit the sleeper, it can trigger them

thats what I heard

[distant ice]

never seen striker hands block a headshot

scouts can be dicks with that though

[wintry arch]

Do shoves stun strikers long enough to get a decent charge for melee?

[distant ice]

those mechanics all make sense when you know how they work but it's honestly more explaining than i have energy in me right now

apart from clusters, here's the simple explanation

only the closest awake sleeper can react to a kill

and they're "awake" the frame they start waking up, it might seem like they're sleeping still

[sterile egret]

actually, Idk if thats a setting, but has anyone noticed the 3D sound/Stereo in this game is sometimes weird? For example I can usually easily tell in what direction an ennemy is from sound, but not their height relative to mine, so if an ennemy is under me, it sounds the same as if it was next to me

[distant ice]

no settings for that unfortunately

it's really annoying but that's the way it is

[sterile egret]

Okay so I'm not crazy, because it sometimes causes a little bit of confusion

[lament temple]

eh easier to just bash the shit out of them than shove and charge

i mostly use shove to melee-cancel or if i fuck up and don’t want the sleeper to scream

[wintry arch]

It sucks when their behind walls too, like on ||A1||, I think ||zone 63|| has a wall next to ||zone 64|| that you can hear some sleepers next too

[sterile egret]

yeah

[distant ice]

that's if a door to that place is open

[sterile egret]

Spatial sound is a little weird in this game

[distant ice]

i don't think they care about any walls

[wintry arch]

Talking about us hearing them, full on wall.

[lament temple]

was the door open

[wintry arch]

||Zone 64|| is the one back at spawn, you don’t reach it from ||zone 63||, so no door to hear it from.

Or I’m getting the zones wrong, but same thing

[distant ice]

you misunderstand

enemies only croak when there's a path connecting you to them

[sterile egret]

Uh I noticed in|| A1||, that sometimes there's like... ||black goo on the ceilings that make this very distinct sound|| and me and my group only noticed when we started actively searching for the source, what's that and can it have any affect on the gameplay? because ||it looks alive||

[distant ice]

||that's the enemy respawn mechanic. 'nuff said||

[sterile egret]

Oooooooooooh

[wintry arch]

That’s the new mechanic for “Rundown Rebirth”. I’m only saying what I’ve experienced so I can be wrong, but it basically functions as ||respawn zones|| so when you ||backtrack there’s enemies again||

[sterile egret]

So you could, in theory, ||predict where they'll be using those||

unless it's not fool proof

[wintry arch]

So from what Reddit says, they don’t have any animations yet so they just ||plop into existence and they only respawn when your not in the room (but someone posted a bug where some big guy spawned right in front of them)||

[sterile egret]

lmao

[wintry arch]

My tip, close doors behind you just Incase, and when backtracking have the dude with the biotracker take point.

I mostly use the mission intercepted transmissions to figure out a few things on what to expect. Like how A2 addresses just that.

[sterile egret]

could you, in theory, ||know where ennemies will respawn by remembering those goo pods' exact locations? or are they not 1:1 (like they're just a decoration)||

[wintry arch]

I’m assuming B1 will have ||infected fog|| since it says ||vents aren’t working||

[icy nacelle]

||in my experience enemies respawn in basically their exact positions they were in before. They may vary with a Shooter where a Striker was originally, or with a different stance/rotation, but it's still the same original position||

[wintry arch]

Not 1:1.

[icy nacelle]

that's been my experience atleast

[wintry arch]

Same

[lament temple]

you can deny the spawn

[sterile egret]

so they're just a decoration to tell you the effect is present... ||can you still use them to get a general idea of what places will be worse than others?||or to get any advantage?

[wintry arch]

Also, it seems the ||pods|| are invincible, and have infinite uses, part of the hate for this new mechanic is both of those facts

[icy nacelle]

and yes, ||you can predict where they'll be by just keeping track of which rooms are podded. They only respawn in pod rooms once all players are far enough (more than 2 Rooms) away and you can thus prevent respawns by having someone sit in the room||

[sterile egret]

yeah I tried swinging one

[lament temple]

yeah there’s only way to prevent them to stop spawning

and it’s just cheesing it basically

[icy nacelle]

but I'm more paraphrasing that off of other posts because I've yet to actually test that. I've done A1 With my squad and have otherwise been just scouting and mapping out the A/B-tiers

[wintry arch]

Some people on Reddit suggest those new mechanics having only 1 use instead of infinite uses. With the ||cocoons|| having a ||“opened” or “hatched” look to them||

[icy nacelle]

I'd prefer that personally, but it's their first iteration and the rundown has only been out since Thursday so

[wintry arch]

Yeah lol. I don’t mind the mechanic. It’s a cool idea, but people with +300 hours and whatnot see it more as an annoyance more than anything.

It definitely made ||A2|| more of a nail bitter since you ||backtrack into that massive foggy area||

[icy nacelle]

||I cleared that like four times last night while mapping out the level. I didn't actually mind it since there wasn't too many enemies and they weren't in any particularly annoying positions. I have a greater issue looking at a map like A1 As I mentioned earlier today where they could potentially spawn in a completely out of place room, or be directly in your way||

I do think ||A2|| looks easier than ||A1|| as well

wow speaking of, I have the exact same spawns as I had in my earlier game on ||A1||

[lament temple]

do you mean pe?

[icy nacelle]

noh

cuz me and my team are crap and so we only ever do High

but even just then it looks easier to me tbh

[sterile egret]

how do alarm door spawn mechanics work? do ennemies continually spawn?

An issue me and my friends have is, by the time we're about to finish scanning the|| Class III Alarm in A1,|| we're all low HP from scanning points and standing our ground and still getting swarmed, are you supposed to try and hold your ground on scanning points? or should you retreat to your allies and start kiting? and if you do the latter, wont it create the issue where you might completely lose control of the scanning sequence?

[icy nacelle]

as I understand it a set number of enemies will spawn once you trigger the alarm. Afterwards a second wave (or third) will only spawn after a set amount of those enemies have been killed, which is why you try to finish the scan before clearing out too many (either by kiting or having something like C-Foam on a door) to avoid the additional wave

[sterile egret]

so if we're behind on the scanning and ennemies start pouring in, would it, in theory, be a smarter idea to try and control them instead of killing them all while we finish the scanning?

[icy nacelle]

yes

though I'm not one to ask about how to actually control them well, since that's where I'm bad at

[sterile egret]

because the issue with class III alarms it feels, is while Class II alarms you can finish them super fast, Class III alarms work in multiple stages of clusters? So you get to a point where its the scanning sequence itself that feels really slow so we gotta wait for it, instead of it waiting for us

[icy nacelle]

the Class number just determines how many scans there are in total. The ||final scan door|| is a Cluster Class III, which means 1 full-team, 2 8-smalls. You can just as well have a Class III Door that's 1 full-team, 2 4-smalls. Where the scans decides to go unfortunately is just a bit random and can absolutely screw with you a bit

after the full-team scan focus on getting as many scans done as possible. It's faster for example to have all 4 Players go for different scans than everyone going for the same ones so it's good to just keep track of who's going for what and make sure to avoid overlap

[wintry arch]

i always go for the farthest. Maybe for ||A1||, since theres two different hights, split the team and have one stay up and the other down below. If no scans are in a specific area, be a lookout and help snipe the wave

and dont forget, C-Foam doesnt need doors to work, you can scatter the foam on the floor to freeze some incoming too

[sterile egret]

well, we have someone using a sniper and a scanner, so we told him to usually stay upstairs, while we go down, I'm the only person using a shotgun, (Auto) so usually I'm the one who runs the fartest and tries to frontline the most for my team

[icy nacelle]

it's still best used on doors IMO, to buy time

[wintry arch]

well for the|| final door||, you can c-foam the door, then foam the walkway from the door too to buy time, since its ||the final section, you dont need to be stingy on resources||

its also a good tip in general if you know theres gonna be a long scan and know the door wont last long enough.

[sterile egret]

generally, sentries are better used on the incoming wave's side of a door, not on your team's side of the door, right?

[icy nacelle]

I already mentioned what my trio did earlier for ||A1|| But to very roughly repeat it: ||I (C-Foam) stood just outside the scan room, in theory to force the spawn from not being in the immediate next room over (which I think is wrong anyway but I'm dumb so). I had C-Foamed the door already, ran back for the full-team scan, then went back to the door in time to add blobs to prevent it from breaking. I permafoamed the door while my mates did the scan and by the time I was out of foam, the scan was done||

[icy nacelle]

I wouldn't recommend them being on the other side killing things beforehand because of the aforementioned second wave after a set number die

I like that I'm typing all this btw while kneedeep in sleepers

[sterile egret]

oh right, because apparently when the Shotgun Sentry was a thing, that's how it was used?

[icy nacelle]

yeah kinda, it's how my original group liked to use it. It was certainly good for killing them, but more often than not it just caused us to have to fight a second wave

foam + mine is better anyway

[sterile egret]

I wish they didnt remove it, I'd like to try it, apparently it was the best sentry by a landslide

[wintry arch]

i put my burst outside, its slow rate of fire for a kill is used mainly just to pick off some of them while we do scans

[icy nacelle]

tbh I think Auto and Sniper are better

for different roles mind

[wintry arch]

i like burst

[icy nacelle]

I've never gotten along with burst but then again I'm not usually the one running sentries at all

[wintry arch]

its.....basically its as if the burst cannon was a npc lol. Slow rate of fire, but still effective at killing.

the slow rate of fire helps tbh cause while it does make a dent to waves, it doesnt use up much ammo, so i can pass some of my shares on tool refill to someone else.

I wonder how the devs feel when reading these kinds of talks? Like sometimes people give wrong information or tips cause they misunderstood the mechanics. Do they chuckle sadistically?

[icy nacelle]

probably

[sterile egret]

so uih why is everyone talking about|| B2|| like it did 9/11?

[icy nacelle]

||Spitters/infection fog|| to my understanding

[wintry arch]

is it that bad? havent done B tiers yet.

[icy nacelle]

I unfortunately couldn't say much otherwise since I've barely done much scouting on that one (and considering I'm bad can't really do much else without my squad) but those are definitely what immediately put me off

I imagine a lot of it comes from other stuff though like PE

[waxen oar]

new player here, is there a terminal command to search for power cells? encountered our first generator and struggling to find the PC

[neon gust]

list cell

ping cell_xxx

[waxen oar]

thank you!

[wintry arch]

cells also have a soft humming sfx when near it. if you got good ears on you, you may just find one by happen stance

[craggy pier]

Not really soft

[wintry arch]

fair, artifacts also have a static radio sound. One time i got downed and kept hearing static and was like "oh, theres one next to me". got rezzed and it was right under me lol. Wouldnt have found it if i wasnt downed

[neon gust]

** WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOW**

[craggy pier]

👄

[wintry arch]

whats worse is the fog repellers sfx WHOOOM WHOOOM WHOOOM WHOOOM

[wise thicket]

[sterile egret]

@wintry arch for me the fog repeller whirring isnt bad, but when they stop working after a little while they do this kinda loud sound that takes me by surprise

[lament temple]

holding the fog repeller makes me go deaf

[wintry arch]

So I re-watched the rundown video cause why not, i noticed a small little thing that peaked my intrest, The Rundowns should have timers that state how long they'll be up, is this a "future planned" feature? Also, will we be able to go back to previous Rundowns, cause letting those lvls collect dust seems like a waste.

[craggy pier]

will we be able to go back to previous Rundowns
No.

And we got a timer before R4 ended

[wintry arch]

ok, didnt notice R4s timer

[fallow wing]

🙄Why is intro say Entry pointy seciton 4 D1

Have they forgot to include extended and E1

[lament temple]

what

[icy nacelle]

tfw I actually managed to get all the way to the final scan (and got 4/8 Done) on A1 Solo while just playing to fully map it out, would've been kinda entertaining to solo my first level like that

I think if the game had been rather generous and given me another C-Foam nade anywhere on the map I could've done it

[lament temple]

now do it again

[icy nacelle]

noh :v

[ancient solstice]

hello how to extract on c1? like how???

[icy nacelle]

@sterile egret Since I went and did that I finally have an image to actually explain the tactic I mentioned before for ||A1 Cluster alarm||. I don't really favour posting the whole wall of accompanying text and all in here though so if you're curious I can just PM It to you.

[topaz anvil]

stand in extraction circle

[haughty terrace]

is there any indication in a2 about the error alarm when the cargo is taken?

[vital sierra]

yes

battle music

[haughty terrace]

so its basically a gg on the first try?

[vital sierra]

well, if you played this game on any rundown

you will always think that

"it's an error alarm when i pick this up"

that will be your everyday gtfo gameplay experience

[wintry arch]

first try didnt know it'd spawn baddies. Just bull rush to evac

[vital sierra]

||and they only spawned 2 enemies||

[haughty terrace]

i guess that makes sense, just felt cheated after making it that far as a duo and an alarm suddenly goes off

[vital sierra]

well

it's an extraction alarm

if you put it that way

i played this game back from Alpha

and everytime the objective telling me to pick an item up

[wintry arch]

someone did post in suggestions to have alarm based objectives to be inside a glass

[vital sierra]

prepare for extraction alarm

[wintry arch]

so breakng the glass with a hammer or stray bullet starts the alarm

[vital sierra]

or just have some sound cue like

indiana jones thing

[wintry arch]

Halo theme

dududu-DUN

[vital sierra]

so ye

if an item are for extraction

then it's gonna ALWAYS be

extraction alarm when you pick that item up

[wintry arch]

last rundown A2s didnt, it only alarmed at evac

[vital sierra]

because we have 2

not 1

[wintry arch]

fair

[vital sierra]

and we're not supposed to first try every level

[haughty terrace]

@vital sierra have u done any solo runs so far?

[vital sierra]

i gave up solo because it's kinda boring to do

[icy nacelle]

I've technically played since R1A1 But I've never made it further than maybe 1-2 B-tiers, and yet I always expect the extraction to be loud

[vital sierra]

i almost felt asleep when trying to do solo nowadays

[wintry arch]

i tried solo B1 just to scout. Did good, till the 1st alarm

[haughty terrace]

ah ic no worries

[vital sierra]

i only do testing stuff when i'm solo-ing

[icy nacelle]

I just map things out

[haughty terrace]

im not sure about the respawn mechanic they added, its supposed to counter kiting?

[vital sierra]

yes

[icy nacelle]

y'know, the kind of business where I clear every room I can and then just run around hugging walls with a long-range flashlight

[vital sierra]

they make you only kite in certain area

when you get to ||C1||, it get brutal with the respawn mechanic

or you can just

DON'T KILL ANY OF THEM

they won't respawn if they didn't die in the first place

[haughty terrace]

yea thats the logical thing to do

[lament temple]

nah gotta get more kills

[haughty terrace]

mm yes

[vital sierra]

you can do that, and NOT abuse it mechanic

[wintry arch]

does successful runs restock artifacts?

[craggy pier]

Only if you have at least 1.0 on any artifact

Artifacts are consumed whether or not you fail the mission

[wintry arch]

those are boosters, im talking about the artifacts themselves.

[craggy pier]

Fucking dumbass is me

Jesus

[wintry arch]

cause i was at like 50% for A1, now its at 70%

[craggy pier]

I read that wrong

Yes, artifact heat replenishes when you play a different mission

Not sure if its completes and fails, or just completes though

[icy nacelle]

It doesn't seem to care. I've been cycling between A1, A2, B1 And B2 For mapping and picking up artifacts while I do it and have noticed other levels going back up, and I can assure you I'm not completing the levels

[wintry arch]

ok

[vital sierra]

artifact heat work this way

you jump into A1, get 50 artifacts = A1 will now have Artifact Heat at 50% for example

you jump in A2, finish the level without taking any artifact

A1 will still be at 50%

unless you jump into A2 and get artifact, A1 will not be refresh

[sharp grotto]

Will we be getting outfits any time soon?

[craggy pier]

.t roadmap

Oh, right

No bot perms

[uneven gulch]

You can view the roadmap here: https://gtfothegame.com/roadmap

[dark hearth]

does the boosters also affect tripmines or only the deployer

[vital sierra]

that's a thing we as a community, need to test that

[dark hearth]

welp we are testing it now
we have some right now with a 78% booster increase to mines
we are also testing if it applies to cfoam tripmines

[vital sierra]

the best thing to test the tripmine on are giants

a single mine can't 1 shot kill them

also scout for explosive tripmine

explosive tripmine can't 1 shot scout at the chest area

[limber hazel]

Anyone know if the Helgun can one-tap a scout?

[craggy pier]

Back of the head

[vital sierra]

anywhere if you have booster

DMR + booster are monster

[keen solar]

Solo player booster

[wise thicket]

A booster that turns you into a sleeper

[craggy pier]

A booster that makes a mission where the players split up

[wise thicket]

That’s good one

[wintry arch]

Can you imagine a mission where you spawn in different walled off zones

[shrewd dirge]

back of head, but the range is limited to slightly over double the tentacle range.
either that or the hitbox was inconsistent for me today.

[visual dove]

can you kill new scout thingy?

with melee?

[austere bronze]

yeah

||two fully charged melees to the back within a small window||

||i.e. you and a mate both hit it at the same time||

[wise thicket]

Make sure you have c foam

[steel valley]

or be very synched up

[wise thicket]

They walk like a grandpa

Or a gorilla

[visual dove]

does mine deployer get a buff from trip mine dmg boost?

or no

[ionic nexus]

[visual dove]

Thanks 😄

[keen solar]

More like, the mine bug is fixed

[craggy pier]

He meant trip mine damage buff from boosters I think

[vital sierra]

the corpse don't block explosive damage anymore, so with 1 mine and perfect spot, you can kill up to 20 enemies

[final swallow]

For B1,is that error alarm door a constant horde? Keep getting stuck there

also is there a best loudout tool wise

[topaz anvil]

||It is until you finish your objective|| @final swallow

[final swallow]

Is there a good loadout for tools on this one?

We ran two sentrys,abio tracker and mines

[topaz anvil]

You can get away with bio tbh

No bio*

If you are worried about the second half of the level, try not to think about dps but instead about speed

[craggy pier]

Always take bio

[topaz anvil]

Bio slaps but no damage output, bio sentry when

[craggy pier]

Who needs damage when you know where sleeping cunts are tbh

[steel valley]

bio is pretty great for b1

[topaz anvil]

Wrong. Wake everything up, go into both zones

:(

[steel valley]

||double error strat||

[craggy pier]

That's where tags are useful : ^ )

[steel valley]

why waste time querying the hsu when you can just go into both zones

[topaz anvil]

Exactly

But a good rule of thumb is to wake everything up so that you know the room is clear :^)

Without having to look around

[steel valley]

i like to check for scouts by shooting into every room i enter

[topaz anvil]

See mit has the right idea

[steel valley]

if i hear a scream that means theres a scout

easy

bio is unneeded

[topaz anvil]

Why check for shadows with your flashlight or bio when you can just shoot

[wintry arch]

Out of ammo? Just hammer the ground.

[feral hamlet]

Should I use the DMR and HEL Rifle at the same time?

[ionic nexus]

if you want to

[final swallow]

Is there a good strat for b3?

[steel valley]

high or extreme?

[final swallow]

high

[steel valley]

||bring a hel gun/rifle or two to deal with the chargers, query the key card before starting error, there is a 4 use ammo in all three zones past the error alarm which can help. when going into the fog for the key leave someone with ammo upstairs to hopefully kill charger waves and to prevent the enemies respawning. past the error the rest of the level is fairly straightforward, just take it slow and use terminals to get all the resources||

bio + mines are very useful, the rest is up to you

[regal badger]

Can someone help out with B2? ||Attempting extreme, completed the extreme objectives, time to finish main objectives. But the Cell to unlock an area with the last canisters is in the High difficulty area, and near as I can tell there is only one Bulkhead Key, and no extra Cell behind the extreme door. Is it actually possible to complete Extreme on this level?!||

[steel valley]

extreme is the ||uplinks|| right?

[regal badger]

Yup

[steel valley]

||when you complete the uplinks the lockdown disinfect zone should unlock, which iirc has the other bulkhead key to go into high (or overload, if you choose)||

[regal badger]

Hmmm well I'm baffled.... ||Done both but I've listed every zone and from what I can see, there is no second bulkhead key. Perhaps I got a dud spawn....||

[steel valley]

is someone already holding one?

[regal badger]

Nope

(quadruple check done) haha

[steel valley]

then i'm lost tbh

maybe the bulkhead dc scan was already done?

i finished pe the other day so it's def possible

[pulsar adder]

i just started the game with 2 of my mates, any tips for clearing A1?

[craggy pier]

Know your route so you don't waste time clearing respawns

Don't shoot if its not an alarm

[regal badger]

I'm lost too. What do you mean by the|| lockdown disinfect zone should unlock?||

[steel valley]

there is a zone that only opens after completing ext

[craggy pier]

Is that A2?

[regal badger]

Hmmm okay.... I think maybe that's the problem then.

[steel valley]

b2

[craggy pier]

Damn

[pulsar adder]

what do u guys do when there's like 15-16 enemies in a room

[craggy pier]

Melee them

[pulsar adder]

do u sneak past or do u guys spend time taking them out

ok

[steel valley]

i'll hop into a solo and check the zone number for you lukanis 1 sec

it's connected to the same room as the high bulkhead

[regal badger]

Thank you!

[steel valley]

actually can't get into the game cause my internet is down :/

but it's in that big room with a ||blood door, terminal, high bulkhead||. it's under the stairs to the right, if you enter from spawn

[regal badger]

Ohhh my gosh whole extra zone! Okay thank you so much!

Yup bulkhead key. Got it.

[steel valley]

lol np

was your team fighting off the ||error alarm|| the whole time?

[regal badger]

Hahah yes

[craggy pier]

Epic gamer moment

[wooden rune]

Minor A2 spoiler
||how do you guys deal with,on a2 extreme, the 2 sets of rooms with 2 scouts. We’ve tried doing stealth but the combination of fog and no power has made it seem impossible. If you go stealth do you take out the scouts ASAP or wait for sleepers to be gone? Or do any of y’all just snipe both at once? We’ve considered trying that. ||

[steel valley]

just bonk em when you get a opening

not a whole lot to it

[regal badger]

||I always handle scouts by giving them a dose of C-foam then bonking them, don't need to clear the room for it. ||

[vital sierra]

just shoot them

[clever gyro]

Or you can lign them up with the Hel Rifle😋

[vital sierra]

1 thing that people forgot is

you can just... don't kill enemy

the cocoon i think are aim to lessen the kiting strat

[spiral kettle]

||C1...||

[vital sierra]

i did no kill in ||C1||

[spiral kettle]

||extrem?||

[vital sierra]

yes

||it spawned so many enemies that they don't scream anymore, so we just book it to extract||

[clever gyro]

I also believe that the cocoons were added to stop the kite cheeze. However, the way it's implemented also punishes others by making it really obnoxious to backtrack.

[vital sierra]

everything is obnoxious if you think of it

[clever gyro]

Nah

[distant ice]

it's definitely not solely aimed at stopping kiting

[vital sierra]

"fog is kinda obnoxious because i can't see anything"

[distant ice]

if you want to counter cheese with something that punishes everyone for it, you're doign it wrong

simon viklund talked about it in the dev stream i believe, i didn't watch it though

something should definitely be done with it looking at the feedback

[spiral kettle]

||This does not work in C1. One of my team kited on the bridge so they don't respawn. It's also not the point to go on cap at the last terminal.||

[clever gyro]

I also really dislike the excessive fog mechanic. Like in B1 extreme for example. It's beyond obnoxious to the point where I help my team with high and overload before leaving because fog literally gives me a headache. I'm unsure why but I'm guessing it's just the fog itself being eye cancer combined with the frustration of having to deal with it.

Like who tf thought that obscuring the player's vision entirely would be a good feature

[spiral kettle]

It is, after all, a mechanism that is mature.

[clever gyro]

One that needs to be adjusted in my opinion.

It literally gave me a migraine almost every time I was forced to go through it.

[distant ice]

well now we can pair that with this new mechanic and you can contribute by standing afk outside the zone kekw

[surreal grotto]

In B2, how do you get into the disinfection door? it has emergency lockdown onit

[clever gyro]

Literally that. And my team has to suffer for it.

[spiral kettle]

Maybe your eyes can't handle it well. I have no problems.

[clever gyro]

Yeah

[ancient solstice]

@surreal grotto After you completed second uplink the door will open and a constant alarm will activate

[frosty tinsel]

Ive heard so much negative about this rundown

But for actual good reasons, are they planning on fixing useless perks/cacoons

because ive heard some ppl as the mine deploer getting a bunch of turret perks

[distant ice]

controversial opinions about the new features specifically rather than the rundown in general

[frosty tinsel]

yes

thats actually a better way to put it

but our first time we thought we could break them

why cant u

doesnt really make any sense u still use ammo

[thorny current]

You cannot kill spitters either. Sure they stay silent a few seconds longer, but still I do not see many people arguing against that.

The Respawn mechanic prolly will get changes. I doubt it will change to such a degree that you can avoid it completely