Helpful for locating scouts, gauging how crowded rooms are, marking enemies if there’s a lot or there’s a dark room or they’re shadows
#gtfo-related-questions
sudden burrow
Shadows are the main use-case that makes it almost required, everything else is pretty much just convenience
distant ice
best tool for learning anything
sudden burrow
My group nearly always has someone on bio, but it’s by no means required for the majority of situations
twin crow
So a friend of mine is asking about the turrets. Which one do you recommend and why?
wise thicket
I like the burst
split timber
Hi everyone!
I'm new here - Enjoying the game a ton. I'm looking for high res official art tho to make wallpapers for my ultrawide... anyone has any ideas or can point me in the right direction?
sudden burrow
Auto sentry is good for holding positions for extended periods of time
I personally haven’t used a burst sentry in ages, but I do not claim to play this game the most optimally
craggy pier
Auto is v popular, and a lot of players use them wrong like placing it behind a door then foaming said door
wise thicket
Ya
sudden burrow
I kinda like saying it like this
Auto sentry is decently used as a fifth player of sorts
craggy pier
Auto sentry is a replacement for people's shit aim
sudden burrow
Place it in a spot where it’s gonna keep things from getting to you as quickly
That’s basically its purpose
pseudo topaz
so what kind of placement for the auto is good, near the door, away from it?
craggy pier
You usually want to use autosentry to help hold scans
pseudo topaz
ok
sudden burrow
Far enough away from a closed door that it’ll have time to lock onto enemies before they run past it, pretty much
dire pecan
@twin crow Burst Sentry is meant for damage. Aim it towards enemy's backs for best effectiveness. Auto sentry does stagger which slows the enemies down and should be aimed toward enemies.
Works well if you put a burst outside the door they're coming to to nail them as they're trying to damage the door/clear C-Foam reinforcement whereas auto is best just inside the door or near your party to stagger enemies and slow them down either for your party to dispatch or to keep them from getting to you
wise thicket
Don't worry about the sniper sentry
neon plaza
if you are low on like everything, ammo, health, and tools, is it ok to leave rooms packed full of enemies?
last time i remember there was a back multiplier
craggy pier
There should still be back mult for sentries
whole depot
Do reactors obey enemy cap?
weary mesa
yes and no
they cannot go over spawn cap but they will queue enemies to spawn, so when you kill the queue waves spawn
neon plaza
i have some off topic questions: when dropping down do you always land in (zone number) a?
like 57 a and such
steel valley
went from 2x-1.5x
whole depot
So suppose someone kited the entire reactor wave at max enemy cap, then started killing off the wave once the test sequence is over. Do the waves spawn anyway?
weary mesa
yes
weary mesa
Just fight the waves
neon plaza
is the ai (awoken sleepers) smart enough to go backwards to wake up sleepers(sleepy ones)?
weary mesa
no
neon plaza
cool, i just don't want to see a shooter go and get 4 big guys for support
because it isn't my favorite thought
topaz anvil
Would be more fun though
neon plaza
what does rundown 4 have different from rundown 3? i was gone for 3 and am semi-new to 4
craggy pier
the only thing that did not change was the amount of infection fog
distant ice
Sectors, new enemies
Hs bug fixed, that's major (and another introduced)
Idk it's a very broad question, what do you want to hear
distant ice
Truly
Need something to keep us on our toes.
Oh speaking of gun balance, new multipliers/mechanics introduced
Stagger and
.t precision
uneven gulchBOT
Sorry, unable to find a tag named precision.
distant ice
Interesting.
rain python
Indeed.
neon plaza
thanks
hallow laurel
My group has been having this issue that seemed to start out of the blue, we foam a door and place a mine as close to the door as possible, horizontaly, right on the door frame. It seems that the enemies were triggering the mines from their side of the door while hitting the foam, putting a major wrench in our plans. They kept tearing the doors down while it was still foamed. We have been using foam and mines like this since we started, we just started having this issue recently in B3. We have been trying to put mines a bit farther back now and it did not happen again since. Anyone have this happen?
craggy pier
Place them on the ceiling, it has the same effect
dawn egret
attacks can glitch through doors and things sometimes
so yeah, it can be an issue
some placements are much safer than others
hallow laurel
Yea, well have to lose the habit of putting them right on the door
dawn egret
Fun tip - if you put mines right over where normal enemy heads would be (and you expect only nice small enemies), you can single-tap the mine to kill everyone when you choose......
wooden osprey
it dosen't do that in a public match
but i forgot to change for a solo run and my sentry gave hit markers
and sound affect
sooo that was weird and help full
unless i changed something in the settings and i dont know about it...
distant ice
i haven't carried a sentry in R4 but in R3 and before you got hit markers regardless iirc
wooden osprey
now i think its just for solo
i take a screen shot
nvm trying to take a screen shot almost killed me
fleet vessel
iirc I got hitmarkers in duo matches too
they just tend to bug into some corner where there definitely are no enemies but they exist
spark wolf
host
the host gets to see them
and yeh the hitmarker positions just fucking dance if you change the direction you're facing
shadow mica
@hasty mauve Hopefully its not a bother asking you this, just need an honest answer. Is privately modding the game outside of official channels a bannable offense in this discord?
neon plaza
hello ludvig!
also @shadow mica next time i believe you are supposed to dm Mod Contact
hasty mauve
we wouldn't ban you for using mods, no.
discussing the usage of mods per se would be against the rules of this specific discord server
shadow mica
That's all I needed to know, thanks.
hasty mauve
heya @neon plaza
wise thicket
After their vacation
hasty mauve
Of you would then go and hack the game to troll and grief and stuff @shadow mica that would be something different 😛
And hence be reported by other users, that would breaking rules here on the discord 🙂
@neon plaza when I got something juicy to leak 😉
neon plaza
dope, thanks!
shadow mica
Yeah, no. Just saw a post by Rayalot on Reddit that made it seem like certain people, not gonna name names, are going after users with EULA threats for modding the game in private discord servers. I'll link the post in media if you want to read it.
hasty mauve
Yeah I’ve seen that. As mentioned in the media chat, that’s more complicated then just asking if usage of mods is a banable offense thou
Nothing ever is as simple as they come across as being 😅
neon plaza
are there going to be any cool new enemies in rundown 5?
wise thicket
They always try to add 1 new enemy
neon plaza
dope
i want to see the thing from the trailer, where a large air worm kills you when you run or something.
hasty mauve
Thatbe cool ! Can’t wait to get that in
shadow mica
Nothing ever is as simple as they come across as being 😅
Yeah, that makes sense. Not going to drag this discussion, just thought it was worth sharing. It greatly concerns a lot of people when certain individuals come after people for modding the game in private discord servers. But I've said my peace, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my question.
hasty mauve
No worries!
I’m always here for a chat or a dm, I don’t mind 🙂
shadow mica
No problemo
neon plaza
No worries!
I’m always here for a chat or a dm, I don’t mind 🙂
thanks for sticking around! (and possibly leaking an enemy 🤔 )
idk if its already been confirmed or not :P
hasty mauve
😉
neon plaza
he made me happy :D
wooden osprey
he made me happy because now i have more hope to see snatcher in the game
the enemy you said you want in the game
neon plaza
i think it would be neat to see
i wonder how the ai would work
would it be similar to the jungle snatcher from terraria? idk
wooden osprey
the snatcher was ment to hunt the last player or hunt down the players that go too far from there teamate...
hasty mauve
Hasn’t in been since that trailer? 
wooden osprey
one of my most beloved things comeing in the game!
wooden osprey
Hasn’t in been since that trailer? <:Fine:609389900189663273>
yes but we didn't know if it when it was comeing out
hasty mauve
I hope it does!
wooden osprey
but now we may see it
hasty mauve
😅
wooden osprey
ludvig thanks for makeing my day 🙂
distant ice
pre-alpha things probably don't count as confirmed to come to the actual game
laughs in geometry enemies
wooden osprey
pre-alpha things probably don't count as confirmed to come to the actual game
well most
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hasty mauve
Fair enough Storm 😅
No pressure, we have a lot of stuff we want to add
“Candy mountain” as the coders used to joke about ;
distant ice
about semicolons apparently
neon plaza
hahahaa
wooden osprey
oh well you guys at the dev team take your time
neon plaza
yeah, i would rather it be a while and good instead of fast and sloppy
pliant heron
So can I jump into someone else's room for a mission level I haven't unlocked yet?
wooden osprey
yes you can
pliant heron
sweet thanks.
dawn egret
Not that you necessarily should...
feral hamlet
Is the HEL pistol and the revolver is good combo?
craggy pier
Do you possess aim?
feral hamlet
yes
craggy pier
Then give it a shot
feral hamlet
alright
craggy pier
I can get through a couple of alarm doors before failing solo
dawn egret
The revolver is the boop gun. 1 hit headshot, and it can kill scouts close range to the occiput (if its too risky to just hit'em)
The HEL is a nice 2-hit gun, with a lot more ammo (balances out pretty nice) - but the penetration is icing on the cake, good for lining up enemies (or more properly, big alarms and choke points)
wise thicket
Will bishop get his own head model or keep woods?
wooden osprey
ask ludvig :/
wise thicket
Man's sleeping
wooden osprey
than wait for him :/
dreamy pecan
i heard the sniper sentry pierces the tank so it still does damage if it shoots the front, is that true?
wooden osprey
i dont think anyone tested that?
craggy pier
It does but it deals basically next to zero so it's not recommended
flat rock
Or, hear me out here, use a BC and just shoot him.
Foam lasts approximately -5 seconds on him
dawn egret
No no no, not shooting him while foamed
just throw c-foam grenades at him until he dies
from old age
craggy pier
Valid strat
vocal tinsel
Any tips on how to complete B1, my friends and I are barely scraping by rn
steel valley
there is an extra cell in the first zone that you can use to go to a loot zone on high, or to access extreme
either route gives you tons of resources to work with
craggy pier
Anything specific you guys are struggling B1 with ||Pizza||
atomic robin
mines
static escarp
if a player joins mid game do they still get a completion on their profile for purpose of unlocking lower expeditionsÉ
no, right?
hard wasp
yes they do
static escarp
thanks
random locust
(((cheese incoming)))
neon plaza
speedrunning by having a whole group of friends waiting at the end of the level
fleet vessel
1 second run
neon plaza
forsure
neon slate
Pretty sure timer starts as the first group of players arrive(basically the original group) but yes technically it's a 1 second run
tranquil arch
dawn egret
That reminds me of club penguin speedruns for some reason
@vocal tinsel For B1, there's a 'Disinfect Sector' somewhere on the map, which requires the extra cell that you find somewhere, but contains a lot more loot than anywhere else on the map... I would find that, and then try to get as soon as possible
worn bloom
my friends and I were also trying to get b1 done and thing got short quite bad...
that reminds me, is Zone 52 worth to get in?
neon gust
52 its the little door right next to the bulkhead door right?
neon gust
dont go there then its horrible
worn bloom
felt like it was a trap
caue i couldn't find a thing
one of my friend and I argued like for 5 minutes
why he shouldn't go in there
so we ended up just opening the door
and left it
LOL
quiet mason
what is LF2 people putting before the Tire?
neon gust
"Looking for 2"
quiet mason
ah ok
btw some times the game lags and freezes and when going down to the complex with that big machine... and it some times closes the APP by its self or the "this program does not responding" message pop out... i am afraid of leaving some one or teammate like this... is it possible to rejoin the match with the people in the match?
neon gust
Yes it is possible to rejoin if that happens
when you mean lags and freezes you mean fps or internet?
neon gust
dropping down in the elevator its normal for the game to lower fps since its a loading screen
quiet mason
ye... normal for the game to crash or close by its self too?
neon gust
no, but its your pc up to the games requirements?
if yes try verifying the game cache on steam
if no, try to lower everything on settings
quiet mason
i actually did looking at the system requirements... and cause this laptop handled ||Metal gear solid|| i thought it can handle this one too... system requirements kind a looked ok
quiet mason
if no, try to lower everything on settings
ye im running the game on 800 x 600 and lower... with low on every thing... fps is high but this happens any way
neon gust
Do your laptop have a dedicated graphics card?
quiet mason
Device name DESKTOP-M0581R3
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz 2.69 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.69 GB usable)
Device ID A821695F-4D86-4741-AE21-DE48974626E6
Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA687
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch Touch support with 2 touch points
neon gust
Do your laptop have a dedicated graphics card?
^
quiet mason
hmmm no i don't think so
neon gust
Then i dont think the game will run in your laptop
But if you do have a dedicated graphics card in your laptop, look up how to run the game exe on it
You can check if you have a gpu just by looking at the sticker on your laptop ||unless you have previously remove them||
quiet mason
mhm
does this channel also have a part about tips in GTFO? like what are the top weapons or some stuffs like that? i feel like these assault rifles are weaker as hell
upper lotus
Assault rifles are Jack of all trades.
wooden osprey
does this channel also have a part about tips in GTFO? like what are the top wea...
all guns are good
its about what do you want to do
dont know what you want? AR/HAR/SMG
long range headshoter: DMR
headshoter: pistol/Hel rev
and so on and so so
quiet mason
idk why... some times i feel pistol works better... and some times SMGs do better
wooden osprey
headshots pistol god
smg is just a spammy weapon that can stagger and kill enemys
smg is the best weapon for new players
because its just a spammy gun
for your other gun
you choice
but never choose the sniper
quiet mason
so ignore headshots... im not really good at it... is there a gun that has a biiiit good fire rate and higher damage for torso and other body parts? except sniper tho
wooden osprey
find 3 or 2 guns that you can stick with mostly one anti sleeper and one for anti gaints
wooden osprey
so ignore headshots... im not really good at it... is there a gun that has a bii...
AR
and heavy AR
quiet mason
no difference between them?
wooden osprey
MG or any shotgun will do as well
wooden osprey
no difference between them?
one has lower damage but more firerate and ammo
one has higher damage but slower firerate and less ammo in the mag
AR: 30 rounds
heavy AR:25
trust me that 5 bullets really do some works sometimes
but its on you
im trying to get better at headshots
quiet mason
got it... wot about big boys? is burst cannon good for it?
wooden osprey
burst cannon is the best to deal with them yes
mini bosses chockmod and burst cannon
quiet mason
oooo... wait... mini bosses?!
wooden osprey
but its on you
quiet mason
quiet mason
ok ye... thanks for the tip...
wooden osprey
its on you if you want to be a anti bosses or gaints
or anti sleeper
burst cannon can kill a lot of enemys
if you have the skill to use it like that
quiet mason
not as machinegun do?
wooden osprey
MG is just a MG
neon gust
My man overwhelming with info
craggy pier
heavy ar has more damage, less ammo but requires more precision
wooden osprey
yes
craggy pier
mg is the best bet for not having to headshot
neon gust
as long as you can aim at the head you can be effective with all weapons
quiet mason
heavy ar has more damage, less ammo but requires more precision
im ok with 10 rounds in a clip if its strong enough
wooden osprey
as long as you can aim at the head you can be effective with all weapons
but his saying he cant aim for the heads :/
neon gust
If you want to have a braindead setup, bring ar/smg, pump shotgun/combat shotgun
quiet mason
as long as you can aim at the head you can be effective with all weapons
yes im bad at it... which also the place is dark with fogs every where
uh #gtfo-chat ?
wooden osprey
Q: why docs stats say MOVEING
neon gust
just remember to use your shotgun more often because ammopack gives more ammo to your secondary than your primary
wooden osprey
AR is a good choice for primary as its the best balanced weapomn
weapon*
in the game
quiet mason
any way this is not a general chat... i'll go for my own stuffs... cy'all tomorrow
wooden osprey
well hel revolver is petty balanced as well but you get my point
neon plaza
can scouts walk through sleepers?
wooden osprey
as i know no
craggy pier
as i know no
how do you know for sure?
full surge
quick question about wave/alarm spawns: it's dependent on player location, not the actual location of the waves, right?
How does that work with split up groups?
does it focus on the location of the largest group of players?
or does each player get their own portion of it?
craggy pier
quick question about wave/alarm spawns: it's dependent on player location, not t...
Follow the rule of thumb: Waves spawn 2 rooms from the player's location
full surge
Aye, that I'm aware of
craggy pier
You can manipulate where waves will spawn by positioning teammates between doors
Waves will spawn near the door
Like right in front of the doorway
full surge
Hmmmm. Interesting.
craggy pier
I witnessed it myself when they spawned in my scout room
full surge
Oh, we had that shit last night when doing prisoner efficiency
on A2
bastards spawned inside a scout room in front of us we hadn't even opened yet
had to run like hell to not alert it
craggy pier
full surge
still won tho lol
first prisoner efficiency get
anyways, was wondering if it was possible to use three players to spawn the waves farther away on say, C1 extreme
while the other fourth player enters codes in
craggy pier
it's possible
full surge
so you can slowly fall back through doors and buy more time
craggy pier
but you will need luck on your side since rng is also included with wave spawning
will it go left or right???
craggy pier
true
anyway that should be your question answered
you can always test while meme running the A rundowns
like i did
full surge
that's a good point
craggy pier
ah
full surge
nah, not extreme
craggy pier
because you have to peform it 12 times
full surge
.....
craggy pier
im not saying anything else, hf :))
full surge
oh god
balmy fiber
Best tools to beat B1????? please???
soft kiln
bio auto sentry mine c-foam
full surge
biotracker unnecessary imo
we go two turrets, mine, c-foam
are we talking normal B1 or extreme?
balmy fiber
Normal
sudden burrow
Bio is almost never necessary, but it can be nice to have
Most of my clears have one
dawn egret
The thing about bio-tracker is that
Most of the time, bringing it is like losing a 60% tool ammo
steel valley
not really how you should look at it imo
fleet vessel
it's pretty useful
except for some levels it will not be necessary, but it's always nice
and bringing it is not losing a tool ammo, as it brings more benefits and you have more tool ammo for every other tool
dawn egret
Oh, no, that's my point
steel valley
the tool you bring instead of a bio will take more than 3 tool refiils over the course of a level, right?
fleet vessel
it just makes your life much easier than the 67% tool ammo it has on spawn -.-
dawn egret
Like, with how much tool ammo you use
Eventually someone will be out
and then that person is useless, unless they have the bio tracker
fleet vessel
well
steel valley
but instead of having to fuel 4 tools you only have to fuel 3
fleet vessel
^^
dawn egret
right, exactly
fleet vessel
in theory
fleet vessel
usually, unless it's a resource heavy level or your team just memes it / makes way too many mistakes
you should not run out of resources
steel valley
33% more refill/tool
dawn egret
Yes, more for the other 3, sure
fleet vessel
but the biotracker doesn't make it "less tool use"
dawn egret
But that doesn't matter when considering using 4 non-bio-tracker
fleet vessel
you still use it a lot if u actually play it well
dawn egret
So it's a pointless comparison to make...
fleet vessel
it is not
dawn egret
I agree, i have someone with a bio tracker most of the time I play
fleet vessel
it is literally the entire premise of this conversation
steel valley
there are very few situations where you actually need both sentries at the same time
fleet vessel
the comparison between bio/3 non-bio and 4 non-bio
dawn egret
Because losing 60% tool ammo is much less meaningful on PE runs than on high runs
craggy pier
answer the gamer's question
steel valley
so there isn't much of a point to bringing two sentries
fleet vessel
except for some missions
dawn egret
I mean, there definetly can be...
fleet vessel
but usually no
dawn egret
B3 PE benefits a lot from two autos
craggy pier
what are the best tools to beat B1
steel valley
d1 and b1 ext ig
fleet vessel
B1 Extreme also benefits from duo sentry more than u having c-foam launcher
dawn egret
c-foam, mines, auto sentry, bio-tracker @steel valley
fleet vessel
B1 depends on if high or extreme
^^
if u wanna do extreme then consider not taking c-foam but bet your luck on finding a c-foam nade somewhere
place is big enough
distant carbon
What is a good loadout for a super noob?
dawn egret
And you really want 2-3 if you can
fleet vessel
if u wanna do high only then c-foam is a good one
dawn egret
@distant carbon Do you like automatic or semi-automatic?
steel valley
easy new player loadout is assault rifle and combat shotgun
very high body shot damage and forgiving weapons in terms of misses
distant carbon
<@!750777708518309934> Do you like automatic or semi-automatic?
Uff... Both 😁
dawn egret
then ^^^
fleet vessel
What is a good loadout for a super noob?
tool either biotracker, as it makes it simple and gives you (as the noob who might not be able to spot enemies/listen to them and know where they are) information
no consideration to placement either
foam is usually good if teammates tell u where to foam, it allows u to learn it
same with the other tools, really
weapons idk
what's your aim like
can u do headshots a lot
do you bodyshot
dawn egret
I like semi, I find running HEL-Revolver/DMR and revolver/burst cannon/sniper works well
(pistol is great, but i wouldn't recommend it for newer players... easy to waste all your ammo heh)
fleet vessel
smg is good if u can't aim well and wanna learn aim, because it staggers enemies for your teammates and you can learn aiming at their heads more without much punishment if u fail to do so
dawn egret
True
craggy pier
Never take mine deployer as a noob btw
fleet vessel
carbine is good if you have basic aim but still wanna further headshots - 4-bursts, but if 3 hit the head they die
so try aiming at the head but it's not a "hit or no hit" but rather a "1/4 hit" type situation
mines are a bad idea as a noob, unless you have someone deliberately wanting to teach u how to use them
dawn egret
personally i hated the ar (and the smg to some extent), because i foudn them difficult to control and wasting bullets - but I'm a semi-auto guy lol
fleet vessel
usually you'll want to observe more experienced players place them and maybe explain the placements
dawn egret
^^^
fleet vessel
personally i hated the ar (and the smg to some extent), because i foudn them dif...
they are, they are
good for auto-players that can't aim tho
steel valley
ar has pretty low recoil for an automatic and strong bodyshot damage
dawn egret
absolutly.
fleet vessel
ar is alright but if u can't semi-perfectly judge when to stop shooting u're gonna shoot corpses with 1-2 bullets
and if u misjudge you either fire too much anyways or the enemy hits u because it is not dead
sudden burrow
Going full auto on automatic weapons is nearly always a mistake
fleet vessel
^^
sudden burrow
Controlled fire
craggy pier
and if u misjudge you either fire too much anyways or the enemy hits u because i...
you cant misjudge because of hitmarkers
fleet vessel
unless you have a surge alarm chokepoint, but what that is and when you'll find it is something I can't even answer (and shouldn't answer in general chat)
dawn egret
^^^
fleet vessel
you cant misjudge because of hitmarkers
reaction time
you'll shoot faster than the hit markers appear
dawn egret
Basically, control fire unless there are enough enemies that you'll hit them all even without controlling fire
fleet vessel
and I typically try not to rely on them too much, because when I keep an eye on the big picture I miss them
I'd rather be able to judge my hits myself than rely on reaction time of hit markers
fleet vessel
Basically, control fire unless there are enough enemies that you'll hit them all...
exactly
dawn egret
To a large degree, too, at A1 - you can afford to miss shots, so grab anything that sounds fun and try it, no matter how bad it/you are!
fleet vessel
yup
sudden burrow
HEL revolver is a super solid option if you dislike automatic weapons though
dawn egret
The game punishes you for playing bad, but like... it's not that bad early on, so feel free to experiment
spark wolf
the carbine is 2 bursts to kill
fleet vessel
don't like it since it doesn't hit singular enemies hard enough for me, but that's not it's purpose anyways
spark wolf
not 3
steel valley
^
sudden burrow
And yeah, take A-tier to experiment
sudden burrow
See what you like, try some guns
steel valley
one full head and one full body iirc
dawn egret
It isn't quite as good as the DMR for primary damage, but it comes in useful most of the time for me
fleet vessel
means you have even more free space to hit the enemy if u still learn how to aim
spark wolf
it has bad range
fleet vessel
it's probably a waste unless you can shoot 2 enemies per burst later on then
spark wolf
almost as bad as smg
fleet vessel
if u hold a chokepoint it's useful
if u try to shoot at range then it's the worst thing you'll ever see
maybe smg is worse idk
sudden burrow
Most of my friends fell in love with the Hrev on sight lmao
dawn egret
I've never liked the carbine, even though I want too... it just feels like it wastes more ammo than semi auto, while basically being semi-auto
sudden burrow
I still roll hAR
steel valley
i use carbine in charger levels and that's it
four (iirc) bursts to kill and staggers lots
sudden burrow
I typically already run one of the chunky shotguns, so I’m set for charger levels
steel valley
yeah choke shotgun as well
sudden burrow
Plus hAR isn’t bad for them either
steel valley
i just don't like the har
fleet vessel
might wanna move over to #gtfo-chat at this point, this convo isn't really question answering anymore
little dew
is there some magic trick to joining lobbies by # ? it seems like 50/50 whether it'll pick it up from my clipboard and give me the join option or whether i have to restart the game 2 or 3 times (without recopying it) before it finally picks it up =/ wish they just had a field to paste it into
distant ice
first time i hear that problem
sudden burrow
I’ve never had problems with it, but I also don’t use that much
fleet vessel
it usually works for me
it almost never shows me who's lobby I'm joining, just a red square with something not readable in it, but sometimes I have to wait a bit
also make sure you didn't accidentally copy a space at the end or beginning of the code
little dew
don't think it's a problem with my copying as i'll leave the same # in the clipboard, restart the game and it'll usually work, oh well at least the game launches fast i guess
distant ice
as estlo said maybe you're just thinking it didn't appear
it can take a few seconds and appear blank, but you can press it just fine
wooden osprey
its on your region and the host
if your region is diff than the host and for some reason some times the regions dont want to work
in this moments we just change the host
and it gets fixed
if its not on that its wired
because i never heard of that ):
little dew
oh, could be region related then, it was trying to join games from the lfg-beginner room not a region room so entirely possible
craggy pier
oh, could be region related then, it was trying to join games from the lfg-begin...
if #lfg-beginners doesn't work look for games in your region that are A rundowns, beginners begin at A.
balmy fiber
Bruh why is B1 so damn Hard?
sudden burrow
What’s giving you trouble about it?
balmy fiber
the last part and we never find amm
wooden osprey
fun fact
balmy fiber
we were so close
wooden osprey
there is a supply room
balmy fiber
😫
sudden burrow
There’s an extra zone you can open with the 4th cell, yeah
wooden osprey
if you are doing it on high there is a extra cell somewhere
sudden burrow
Make sure you’re pinging for ammo packs on the terminals too
Don’t wanna be missing resources
wooden osprey
when you get pass the first fog scan and you get to the last 2 rooms there is another zone you can go to
and when you go in there
you find a door
the door needs a power cell for its gen find the gen that doors needs and go in it
its just a normal scan
no alrm
alarm*
ppl call it disinfction zone
there is a diss infection thing that you can apply to your self (station) and there is enough ammo to get all 4 player to 100 and enough medpacks to get to 80 for everybody
have fun!
wooden osprey
forget about the station the supply's in that place
fleet vessel
however: the area of the final door (IV alarm) has at most 2 scouts in it. These can be in the areas you usually don't enter - the path towards the supply room - or in the room of the final door.
Bless rng if at least one scout is in a side-room you don't have to enter, which is possible.
umbral ingot
can you clear the high, extreme and overload threat level objectives in the same run or does it require multiple runs?
wooden osprey
.t sectors
uneven gulchBOT
Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
High (Main Sector)
Extreme (Second Sector)
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)
Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time. In order to unlock certain tiers you will need to satisfy their sector requirements.
wooden osprey
its call PE:Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)
wooden osprey
can you clear the high, extreme and overload threat level objectives in the same...
hope this answered your question 🙂
craggy pier
If possible, you can do only overload objective. However most overloads are hidden behind the extreme objective
Keep that in mind
wooden osprey
i think only D2 has it right away
crimson geyser
ok so for example in the last run we chose overload objective and did it but how can we then do the extreme objective afterwards?
do you need another bulkhead key
?
craggy pier
if you do an optional there WILL be an bulkhead key in that optional zone
wooden osprey
you can do all obj when you hit overload
but if you do extreme
you can not do overload sometimes
and ofc if you do high you cant do overload or extreme
craggy pier
High = Main objective
wooden osprey
you find the bulkhead keys around the zone
neon gust
D2 you can do extreme then overload if you want
wooden osprey
ya
neon gust
extreme just locks you into finihsing the objective
crimson geyser
so just to confirm - you need as many bulkhead keys as optional objectives and then you retrigger the bulkhead dc?
craggy pier
yup
crimson geyser
thanks! 😄
craggy pier
sometimes the bulkhead dc is in a different spot
wooden osprey
and you find the bulkhead keys in the extreme or overload zones
neon gust
Might not be the same bulkhead so read carefully!
craggy pier
keep that in mind and just find a terminal and type list bulk
wooden osprey
or find it randomly
neon gust
some door require different bulkhead station
wooden osprey
ya
crimson geyser
nice gotcha 😄
wooden osprey
happy dieing
go do warden some spicy work
thats going to be my new quot from now on happy dieing
(if i spelled that right)
lofty igloo
dying
wooden osprey
thanks maybe i learn to write that from doing it a lot :/
lofty igloo
learn by repetition
upper lotus
"dying"
crimson geyser
btw all flashlights except glowsticks trigger enemies too right?
craggy pier
yeah
long range flashlight is worser
I had a glitch where I meme shined a long range light on a sleeper and it never woke up
wooden osprey
i woke up a mother with long range flashlight in B3 PE scuffed run that i posted the screen shot of wining but ya
love everything went silent 🙂
worn bloom
i've noticed people foaming the door while closing at the same time; what does that exactly do? :O
wooden osprey
foaming with cfoam luncher?
wooden osprey
melee when the tentacles return?
thats a thing you have to find on your own 🙂
crimson geyser
@wooden osprey just wanted to confirm it seemed that the scout was invulnerable to bullets while triggering? or is it just a bug
crimson geyser
ah ok then 😄
craggy pier
Does that save cfoam ammo or something? :o
its more of a speedrun tactic
sudden burrow
There are several ways to deal with scouts, and you're always giving up something with one of those ways in favor of something else
Melee you have a higher chance of messing up, but it saves resources assuming you don't mess up
untold merlin
how do you counter the roof blobs in b1
untold merlin
so i just point the light at them
untold merlin
ok thanks
craggy pier
flashlight
no way man you gotta shoot the bastards
wooden osprey
if you want the whole room alerted for 30 sec of them not doing anything to you be my guest
upper lotus
the wall balls have performance anxiety so they won't bust a nut on you if you flash them with your moonbeam
sand tusk
so i was tryin out the new b3 sector, and there was a class 2 cluster alarm for zone_53. now my prior knowledge of the game was that the wave of enemies spawn 2 room distances away. so tell me how did they spawn right behind the first door that was like pre much 10 metres away from the initial first scan?
rugged dock
funny enough i just asked that question in a different chat and what i was told was, "the room is divided right next to the door, you can see at the map that it says zone_xx A and and zone_xx B even though its the "same" room (the A and B is just for reference, dont remember the actual letters there) so the game treats it as 2 rooms away"
sand tusk
... awesome, great game XD thanx fo rthe quick answer man
shrewd dirge
also worth noting, a broken stone wall generally separates two rooms, if there's one.
sand tusk
cool, didnt know about tthat, cheers for that
sudden burrow
Yeah there's a few instances of room borders not being doors, gotta keep a careful eye out for some of 'em
The data center and lab environments have what my friends and I have dubbed a "sniper tower" of sorts that sometimes splits off two rooms
muted socket
I seriously can't find a use for the sniper.. burst cannon seems to always take it's place. No ammo economy, 2 shots, only useful in very specific situations, unlimited range. Just seems very bad to me, am i just using it wrong or is it just.. not useful
neon gust
Its a delete button when you want to get rid of giants
muted socket
i mean, I can just pop them a couple rounds with the shotgun or 1 full burst maybe 2 from the burst cannon...
not really an excuse considering the ammo economy is dreadful on the thing
craggy pier
If you're good a quickscoping with the sniper its very satisfying to use
rotund jasper
It just one shots everything to the head that's smaller than a tank
neon gust
of course when comparing stuff to other stuff and theyre aplications etc etc then obviously
craggy pier
Tbh, they should have made it so that the sniper has 6 in the mag and 6 in reserves or just 5/5
Plus the zoom when ADS'ing is just atrocious in general
rotund jasper
can't wait for gear customization
muted socket
I mean, in comparison I have a hard time justifying the thing right now.. lol less they add some sort of alternative to it from the customizations
rotund jasper
Burst cannon with sniper scope
muted socket
like bigger mag size or something
craggy pier
If you worry about versatility just use any other special tbh, the sniper is a niche pick
craggy pier
Solo E1 with DMR Sniper when @ Colour?
rotund jasper
weapon customization, auto burst cannon
pure saddle
dawn egret
smh smh, the sniper is the only gun that lets you silently 2k
dreamy plume
guys, when a door just says "alarm detected" is this a class 1 alarm?
or is something different ?
dawn egret
Is that the only text?
dreamy plume
thea
dawn egret
Which level?
craggy pier
Alarm class numbers are still pretty inconsistent, zone 12 is a class 4 alarm
vital sierra
or they just forgot of that 1 door
craggy pier
C1 extreme bulkhead door also doesn't have a class number
lilac fulcrum
Whoops! We manually type those in 
quiet mason
ey is the BULKHEAD DC ( a random number ) always behind the sec door with alarm? in A1? no where else? ;-;
weary mesa
The DC isn't behind an alarm the Bulkhead Key is
And yea there's nowhere else you can get a bulkhead key on that level without doing an alarm
quiet mason
then why when i ping "BULKHEAD DC ( the number )" the sounds comes from the Sec door? every time... and you said bulkhead key? i tried to ping that many times and it just said "this item didn't not found" or some thing like that
and another question... i saw people talking that playing A1 in extreme or high... do i have to finish it to unlock those difficulties? cause they look locked for me...
idk it has a light gray line on it...
craggy pier
Did you try to input in the terminal "QUERY BULKHEAD_KEY__###"?
You can't ping stuff that's out of the zone you're in
quiet mason
no
just ping
actually it was in E_33
so it actually worked... it pinged the bulkhead DC which was behind the sec door
quiet mason
You can't ping stuff that's out of the zone you're in
ik i used the E_33 terminal
weary mesa
The bulkhead DC is always in zone 33
If you can ping something in the terminal it means it is within that zone
quiet mason
yep
quiet mason
btw that thing is for opening that nuclear bomb thingy door right?
weary mesa
Yes once you have the key for it
craggy pier
The DC? Yes
quiet mason
then what about the bulkhead ( some thing ) key? i have to put it in a kind of weird machine that idk how to describe it
craggy pier
You have to put the bulkhead key in the bulkhead DC
quiet mason
weary mesa
So bulkhead keys are what is needed to activate and bulkhead DC that is where you can select your sector/difficulty
.t sectors
uneven gulchBOT
Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
High (Main Sector)
Extreme (Second Sector)
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)
Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time. In order to unlock certain tiers you will need to satisfy their sector requirements.
weary mesa
in a1 your key will always be in zone 34 which requires a sec door to be done to get to the key
the bulkhead DC however is in zone 33 and you will not be able to use it until you have that key
quiet mason
.__.
violet steeple
hey guys, how many max babies can there be?
vital sierra
80
shadow mica
What is the best strategy for mining the tank?
shadow mica
What, like 7 in the middle on the top in exactly the same spot?
wooden osprey
if you can put them close to one spot
make the tank runinto the spot boom its dead
shadow mica
Alright
quiet mason
i just run the game and it doesn't have voice... i also checked the audio settings... no sound
spiral kettle
Why is C3 harder on high than on extreme? 😄
pliant herald
It's probably to keep you on your toes. :p
neon gust
What, like 7 in the middle on the top in exactly the same spot?
FIGHT IT
wooden osprey
black dosen't like efficiency
austere bronze
What is the best strategy for mining the tank?
put them all on one side of the door, and have your team stand on that side of the door
neon gust
black dosen't like efficiency
Dragon likes fun, than boringly putting 80% of my tool on a single door 
Shit
Its cheaper to put sniper sentry down and fight him
wooden osprey
still the mines are better as it takes less time and its efficient but thats just me
in E1 you need to fight them anyway
neon gust
Your almost 2 month into the rundown theres no excuse to use that anymore
craggy pier
I use mine strat/cheese in C1, since C1's just a cunt of a level to deal with 2 things at once
neon gust
At the beggining we where figuring out stuff so i see the reason behind it, but now we know better
craggy pier
What's the precision mult for sniper sentry?
neon gust
1.5 i believe
wooden osprey
black is one of those that are very hardcore on doing things the righr way
at least for the tank
wooden osprey
yes but if you find a better way and faster way you will use it
craggy pier
Whoever designed C1 is pretty dumb, introducing the new enemy while also shoving trickle spawns up the player's ass
neon gust
Should have been like r3b2
wooden osprey
well not really because you can awake the thing when you doing the scans
what was it like?
craggy pier
Mid level, then near extract just to make it spicier
wooden osprey
hmm the only thing with this rundown is that it puts the scouts and the things that can end you at the end
the only good level is B3 on that side
craggy pier
E1's the opposite of C1, don't @ me
wooden osprey
dont agree but ok
craggy pier
In R3?
keen solar
I enjoyed B Tier more than C Tier in this Rundown
neon gust
yes but if you find a better way and faster way you will use it
Havent use that strat in a while, the fighting method its way better and more fun
keen solar
Normally C Tier is players's favorite Tier throughout R1 - 3
neon gust
It literally doesnt cost you having one guy holding spawns for like 2 min
wooden osprey
yes it is more fun but if you trying to beat the level i dont think you go for the fun
craggy pier
B1 and B2 isn't as fun as previous B tiers, B3 takes the cake though
keen solar
I don't wanna explain how to beat the Tank every time when Im on D2 lol
neon gust
yes it is more fun but if you trying to beat the level i dont think you go for t...
Lmao that strat its not a requirement to beat that level
keen solar
Although you can mine the Tank down on D2 once again.
wooden osprey
i agree with you on killing the boss with mines is stupid and its really bad but still its better
most ppl think that anyway
craggy pier
C1's fucking atrocious, C2's enjoyable but takes too long, C3 is C3
tacit zealot
Will a full charge to a sleeper (female) one shot regardless of where I hit it?
craggy pier
I can imagine
keen solar
Yes
wooden osprey
C3 its just a 0 to 100% on difficulty after overload
keen solar
Not 0% to 100%
neon gust
B1 its an ok level b2 its fun as hell, b3 its the shittiest level
tacit zealot
Just had a weird clip, full charged a normal shooter to the back of its body and it woke up, didn't take any visual damage.
craggy pier
C3 is cursed
For strikers, yes, for shooters, no
keen solar
It is a cursed level and it is just boring
keen solar
haha
tacit zealot
Oh ok
neon gust
Ricardo go brrrr
wooden osprey
i enjoy B3 on pe
tacit zealot
So shooters need head shot?
keen solar
Yeah
tacit zealot
Okay cheers! Thanks very much
craggy pier
Full charged to the back at least
neon gust
Uplink so bad this rundown the uplinks we had ij r2 were better
tacit zealot
thx
wooden osprey
because on B3 PE you need to manage your ammo and health
craggy pier
R2B1 best B tier level, change my mind
wooden osprey
hm
neon gust
And A level have better uplinks the fuck
keen solar
Don't need to manage when you can hammer everything
Not even B3 specifically, it's something you should learn from the beginning of the game
wooden osprey
And A level have better uplinks the fuck
agree
C1 uplink its just like wtf you want from us
full on RNG
like for me thats the worse level
keen solar
That's why I hate C Tier
vital sierra
E1 but only birther spawn
craggy pier
What was better pre nerf or post nerf R2C1?
neon gust
E1 but only birther spawn
Waiting at the tree house intensifies
wooden osprey
E1 but only birther spawn
its going to happen one day dont worry alpha
keen solar
C1 Ext: RNG based
C2: winnable as long as you kite
C3: Cursed and it is legit plain boring from the trcikle spawns
craggy pier
I liked pre nerf because scouts can spawn in the first room and sometimes just auto alerts due to its position
wooden osprey
ye
keen solar
Yeah lol
keen solar
C Tier is just legit RNG-based Tier
craggy pier
Based
neon gust
Zone 9 be ass
wooden osprey
ya
keen solar
I love Zone 9 lol
craggy pier
Zone 9 is confusing af
keen solar
I love stealth lol
wooden osprey
i found a sleeper nest in there koopa
40+ enemys
in one room
maybe 50+
didn't count the whole room as bio range is a bit low on that side
keen solar
I soloed R2E1 the shadow giants part, the visable giants are nothing to me lol
craggy pier
Once in C2 zone 14 I we found a room just filled with sleepers
Probabibly 25 minimum
neon gust
I love Zone 9 lol
This man really walk through hybrids for 1 hormone
keen solar
But it takes longer time for sure zzz
neon gust
keen solar
Well, every time I go Zone 9, there are three lol
Im not going in when there's only one lol
keen solar
I think 5 hybrids are nothing to the people who do the E1 extreme stealth part lol
And indeed the Tank part
neon gust
That room with first s1 alarm can be curse as hell
keen solar
8 hybrids in one room with the worst RNG
neon gust
Sniper go brr tho
The only thing i dont like about e1 its waiitng for the fog guy to get the turbine
vital sierra
umm
neon gust
Because rng said no to you
vital sierra
i'm looking for what level sleeping hybrid spawn
keen solar
Yeah
vital sierra
so i can do some... experiment
neon gust
B2, c2, e1
keen solar
I do feel like the fog turbine spawn is also a fucking stupid element
neon gust
I do feel like the fog turbine spawn is also a fucking stupid element
Because it is
Every onr finishes the cluster without infection, suddenly one guy has to go in and be 100% infected
keen solar
Like, you have only 3 disinfect packs for when you fuck up the stealth part. And you have a fog turbine inside a fog area, which might be in the deepest area.
And sometimes you have no luck of finding fog repellers either
neon gust
Completely negates the player skill during those hectic 20min
keen solar
I would rather having a fog turbine in the first area of that zone, all the resources and key are in the deepest area. Then you can choose either gun everything or stealth based on your situation with resources control from the first part .
worn bloom
not game related but a curiosity--does GTFO have a plan for translation?
keen solar
I feel like C3 PE is also an exception...
worn bloom
albeit not a lot to translate and definitely doesn't seem to be top priority
keen solar
I think I kill it with a sniper sentry
I don't think so..
But you can put it in game suggestions? @worn bloom
Usage: '.idea your idea' in bot-spam, gtfo-chat
worn bloom
might as well
worn bloom
figured it's low prio but was wondering, yeah.
neon gust
I don't like wasting ammo on tank in C3 PE tho
You have so many packs on ammo in that level its not even funny
slender marten
On B2 PE are there any strategies for it. I tried some cells on and no cells but all the teams I have run with we can't seem to get all the osips
neon gust
before starting the hsu everybody on the team can have 3 uses each
keen solar
Yeah... due to how small their company is, they put their focus on the rundown and the main feature of that rundown. Translation might be the last thing to do
neon gust
But thats not gonna stop me from being cheap
I love this, im gonna steal that from you and start saying it 
shadow mica
lol
neon gust
Im 100% confident we'll see text translation after full release
also voice lines are bug so not all of them are playing as of right now
||even tho we only need this place its beeg||
shadow mica
You got like 2 hours worth of voicelines yet it feels like we only hear about 10 minutes of it
shadow mica
Don't doubt it
weary mesa
Fighting tank? Couldn’t be me
I just coom on it like I do mother
Just nullifies the boss fight ez clap
No knowledge of how to fight them required
Mining the tank is just like shooting through the door on r3d1 to kill big birther before she has a chance to react
distant ice
ok
weary mesa
Thanks for agreeing 
distant ice
let's not make assumptions
kind sonnet
Do we as the community know approximately when r4 ends?
distant ice
No information, just guesses
tacit zealot
How easy/hard was R1A1 compared to R4A1 now?
distant ice
quite a bit easier
map design is part of it, but changing mechanics and enemies had an impact
tacit zealot
Cheers
neon gust
comparing both its quite unfair not gonna lie
R1A1 was hard because there was basically no tutorial and also the game literally just started
distant ice
for newbies that's still the case
neon gust
It does had more scouts than the current A1
distant ice
you usually had to deal with either 0 or 1
worn grove
tacit zealot
tfw 2 giant first room r4a1
distant ice
r1a1 had that too actually
tacit zealot
messed
crimson geyser
could someone explain a bit what the endgame screen statuses mean? nrv probe etc
neon gust
Nothing as of right now
Probably status effects that are wip
Kind of like infections
craggy pier
could someone explain a bit what the endgame screen statuses mean? nrv probe etc
Vitals: Based on Health
Infection level: Based on Infection
Mental Status: Random, not based on anything
NVR Probe Reaction: Same as mental status
stoic steppe
Is there any settings to improve the visibility of the shadow enemies, I've been playing a lot of E1 rn and my friends and I are like point blank of the enemy shining light but I still don't see any anything maybe the legs but nothing on the upper body. Thanks
worn grove
Is there any settings to improve the visibility of the shadow enemies, I've bee...
thats E1 for you
worn grove
well turning you brightness up could improve it but honestly no need
craggy pier
The smart answer is use bio tracker
exotic ember
bIoTrACKEr UseLeSs
worn grove
mapper better
exotic ember
id still use bio even if mapper is added
stoic steppe
I see, feels bad literally have to open my eyes and say yep i see nothing 😄
worn grove
tbh shadows scouts are harder to see than normal but if its really dark its quite easy to see them
desert falcon
for a friend it worked to turn up texture size to full, didnt try it myself tho
fleet vessel
shadow scoots are easy to see if you ping em and check the tentacles since those are wide visible anyways
worn grove
thats why they are easier to kill in high than extreme
crimson geyser
**Vitals**: Based on *Health*
**Infection level**: Based on *Infection*
**Mental...
thanks! 😄
craggy pier
np
crimson geyser
I have another question 🤔
we are on A2, got the cryo units and ready to extract. Now we are doing the optional objectives, however theres not enough bulkhead keys to do both overload and extreme
so we have to choose only one?
there were only 2 bulkhead keys in the whole map
i assumed from answers yesterday that there should always be enough keys?
desert falcon
there should be 3 on the map: one in the high zone, one behind the first extreme bulkhead door and the last one behind the overload bulkhead door. So you can do either high and then extreme or high, overload and then extreme afterwards
crimson geyser
hmmm but we listed all the keys at the start of the mission and it only showed 2 keys
is the last key unlisted?
jolly zealot
No it should be there, unless someone took it already
crimson geyser
nope :S
100% nobody has it
just checked every players screen
unless overload zone is disconnected completely and doesnt show up
in terminals
yea but theres 3 bulkhead doors for the optional missions in total
desert falcon
just dropped down to check, im getting 3 keys listed in A2
jolly zealot
You open up extreme with the high one, then open overload with the second key; then extreme with the key from overload
I don't think there's a bug there, how do you list your keys?
crimson geyser
list key
desert falcon
and you didnt pass any bulkhead door yet?
jolly zealot
Well that's it, you used the first one
crimson geyser
and now are waiting at the choice
if we choose one door
we need another key for the other door
desert falcon
ok yeah thats ur missing one, now you would have to do overload first if you want to do all 3 objecitves
jolly zealot
there should be 3 on the map: one in the high zone, one behind the first extreme bulkhead door and the last one behind the overload bulkhead door. So you can do either high and then extreme or high, overload and then extreme afterwards
desert falcon
it has
jolly zealot
So you're saying that you are in extreme, and when executing list key in a terminal you don't see any key showing up?
crimson geyser
we used 2 keys and now are at the overload doors
and yes no key shows up
in terminal
desert falcon
ok but I can assure you that there will be another key in overload unless the game bugged out in a rly strange way
desert falcon
👍
jolly zealot
Probably a cruel death :p good luck
desert falcon
very nice
crimson geyser
thanks again 😄
rugged dock
for those that bunny hop, do you tap space for the shorter jumps or hold it for the longer jumps? and when kiting is one better than the other
shrewd dirge
im somewhere on the longer side, but i also give it somewhat of a curve
because strikers have the longest range in a straight line
when using slides, ive also noticed longer slides worked out better for me
i experimented with consistently doing frame perfect minimum slides, and it seems to hurt more than help.
as it seems its probably possible to stand up or land on a tentacle.
white sonnet
trying to do short bunnyhops can help give you more control over direction but takes more effort to do
tacit zealot
Do tripmines blow up doors?
weary mesa
you could just fight him regularly
steel valley
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dawn egret
I've never shot a tripmine next to a door that didn't blow the door
weary mesa
Mine are weird they can damage doors or they could not
It's very inconsistent
Fighting tank isn't that hard to do
pure saddle
theres actually a video on that
weary mesa
Just communicate with teammates to get shots onto his back
noble sierra
If the door is damaged already, the mine will destroy the door. If the door is unharmed, the mine does nothing to the door.
rigid kernel
What's the best way to deal with a Scout
austere bronze
fully charged hammer to head