gtfo-related-questions

[static kestrel]

do you still want me to peep that song

[frail heart]

Dusk to day by Polaris

[static kestrel]

oh shit i forgot to listen

ive got it now

so like

yeah u were right it isnt really my style

i actually fw it when it wasent like unintelligabale screams of the damned

[frail heart]

bro said i like all sorta stuff until screamo comes on 😭

[static kestrel]

i just dont understand it

like

if ur singing that song

do you scream with the song? lol

[frail heart]

nah you just sing

[timber shoal]

and headbang w the screaming

[frail heart]

wait i have one of their songs you might like

[timber shoal]

GTFO UPDATE

[static kestrel]

i belive it

[frail heart]

i dont think theres any screaming

[timber shoal]

🎉
🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[frail heart]

HUGE

[static kestrel]

wha

[sturdy glen]

quick someone check if scatter got shadow nerfed

[reef rock]

LETS GOOO

[static kestrel]

wuzzat

why r we celebrating this

[reef rock]

https://unity.com/security/sept-2025-01

this

[timber shoal]

BECUASE GTFO GOT UPDTAED

NOT DEAD GAME

[frail heart]

nvm i dont think any of their songs have no screaming lmao

[static kestrel]

yo that is way 2 much reading

splain dat

[timber shoal]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[static kestrel]

what does this mean

oh yo

[timber shoal]

unity fucking sucks and gtfo has to compensate

[static kestrel]

confirms new rundown

clearly

[timber shoal]

by patching their bullshit

[reef rock]

arbalist shadow buff!

[timber shoal]

did we get a burst pistol nerf in patch notes???????

[reef rock]

confirmed: soon!

[timber shoal]

cant have that dominating the meta

[frail heart]

Holy shit guys sniper has 5 mag

huge

[reef rock]

revert sniper to original r6

[timber shoal]

sniper actually fires a five shot burst but with reduced damage and increased ammo count

[static kestrel]

gotta be cap

[timber shoal]

it also doesnt have a sniper scope any more

20 round mag

[frail heart]

aint no way bbno$ made a song with kaarija

[reef rock]

burst cannon now shoots a one shot burst

has 3 mag

and comes with a sniper scope

[timber shoal]

bbno$ 🤤

[frail heart]

dude i gotta say

bbno$ is a handsome fellow

[timber shoal]

hell yeah

he’s also chill as fuck

goated dude

[frail heart]

one of my gfs friends were cosplaying while going to one of his concerts and one of his goons saw them and was like "yo come here" and then they got to meet bbno$ and shit and he gave them backstage passes and shit

wait

2 bbno$ songs in one day?

we eating good

[timber shoal]

thats so fucking fire

[frail heart]

wait

am i stupid

or is actually 11 songs

[ripe hamlet]

gtfo update is real

r9 coming soon

[static kestrel]

is it actually real?

cant be

[fathom ice]

correct

too good to be true

[static kestrel]

yo its 3:47 am for me rn im tryna stay up for forever

[burnt inlet]

R9 update 🔥

[static kestrel]

so i can reset schedule

any tips?

[burnt inlet]

Play R9

[static kestrel]

ok so give uo

up

lol

[burnt inlet]

#patch-notes message R9 released

[static kestrel]

yeah i see it

i cant believe it!!

[prime ore]

How would R9 even work

Like where would it go from

[tardy ingot]

Uh theres a lot of ways

[little pilot]

this game has genuienly insane potential with the multidimensionality

you can say "here's a set of 4 characters left behind but awoken by the teleport"

"here's the og characters you've played since the start rediscover they are also fucked in the new dimension which is no longer clean"

"here's an alternate dimension where you've failed to escape and need to find a way to get the MWP back from the infested KDS deep while avoiding the radiation"

[prime ore]

We gotta convince the devs for R9 surely

I do get what you mean yeah

[thick stump]

boycott den of wolves, so they go back working on gtfo :)

[static kestrel]

if we got some shit like r9 i would actually be so shocked

[frail heart]

Ill grab r9 when I’m at the studio guys dw

[burnt inlet]

Dauda and hacket had a baby

Solo gaming

[prime ore]

Is there even a single women inside this game?

[safe cradle]

yes there was one in the audiolog thingy on R6C1 I think

[burnt inlet]

Mr truths wife

[tardy ingot]

theres also the one that freaking dies that shows up in R8B2 and C1

[ripe hamlet]

r9 announcement after the marathon stream surely

[tardy ingot]

R9
has 1 level (says R9A1)

level transitions you into the next level upon beating the first
you gotta beat all levels in a row to get to the E tier

[static kestrel]

i solo all of them

ez

[burnt inlet]

Its just one big level but its A all the way to E tier

[static kestrel]

ez solo for me

[ripe hamlet]

r9 being one continuous event right after e2 would be pretty cool

[winter breach]

Har aint gonna carry you that far

[static kestrel]

wym im a hel rifle enjoyer now

its in my name

duh

[winter breach]

But youre a har lover

[static kestrel]

thats not what my name says

[winter breach]

I love yellow syringe but it doesnt say in my name

[static kestrel]

dont care

[burnt inlet]

Would you solo E2 glitchless cheatless boosterless?

[static kestrel]

ez

[normal granite]

Nah, all the way to G with a permanent error alarm where spawn cap is increased

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[edgy veldt]

How much -% melee damage from boosters make it so you can't kill a scout with a headshot from a hammer or spear

[tardy ingot]

I dont think there is a booster that reduces it by that much
but hammer is >30% of - melee dmg %

bigger brain though

no boosters

[grizzled patrol]

-66%. Then cou cant kill even with an occi hit

[tardy ingot]

smh -60,1% would be enough already

[grizzled patrol]

i hope you need this info for custom boosters with ridiculous downsides with no effects

[tardy ingot]

oh god

-99% melee dmg

-99% main/special dmg

surely thats the "hardcore experience"

[safe cradle]

You remember when boosters had "gotta be near a glowstick" or "in a bioscan" to work?

I remember how that gave glowsticks more purpose

[grizzled patrol]

would be funny to see a supply booster with a condition "while holding a hacking tool"

[safe cradle]

heh yeah

[frail heart]

hani has one i think

[grizzled patrol]

[wet bear]

Should add -bio scan speed so every scan will take forever to complete

[edgy veldt]

Thank yall for the answers, another question, or more of just asking for tips, any advice for the final code room in r4 d1? We’ve tried shooting through but 6 scouts spawn a lot of enemies as well as the enemies in the room being dangerous. We’ve tried sneaking but with the scouts and amount of enemies it’s hard to get to the terminals.

[static kestrel]

sneak even harder

[timber shoal]

sneaking is your best bet, stealth kill as many scouts as possible w/o waking room and beeline for terminals

kill scouts where possible but dont take unnecessary risks, effectively

[static kestrel]

what he said

i agree

(ive never seen that level)

[timber shoal]

its a fun one

probably my second favorite reactor so far

[static kestrel]

reactor....

[edgy veldt]

I see, the only thing is that it’s a time crunch to get the code, and unfortunately it’s just me and a friend doing it,

[edgy veldt]

It’s definitely my favorite reactor level

[timber shoal]

yeah that’s gonna be on the rough side, you’ll have to be very efficient about making it through scout room

[normal granite]

Whats your number one?

[timber shoal]

r5d2

but i havent played most of r6 or later yet so

effectively you need to find a terminal, if you get log, great, but if you dont, ping term with the log

[edgy veldt]

It’s a bummer because it feels like rng if the scouts and enemies are just chilling by the terminals making it nearly impossible to get them

[normal granite]

R1C1 is an autoscroller
R2D2 is too long
R3A3 is an a tier mission (easy af)
R4D1 is giga based and best reactor
R5D2 meh imo
R6D1 is optional, but cool
R7E1 is pablo. We love pablo
R8E2 is hardest level in the game (cool reactor too)

[static kestrel]

wtf is pablo

[timber shoal]

r5d2 hate 😔

[timber shoal]

dw about it

[tardy ingot]

ngl, shooting 1 scout (melee 1 if its free) and the wave is absolutely minor

reminder that the enemies from the room get to you first basically

[static kestrel]

ive played r7e1 but idk shit about a pablo lol

[normal granite]

Fren

[prime musk]

when i played it duo, we full shot it and all the scout waves. we brought 5 use ammos from reactor to alarm, and the retreated up to the path upstairs in alarm room to funnel both room and scout wave enemies in a line for our HEL rifles.
i believe we got 1 melee kill on a scout and shot another to wake room, leaving 3 scout waves.

[edgy veldt]

|| R8E2 has a reactor ||

[normal granite]

Right, i forgor

How did i forget lmao

[prime musk]

i have also stealthed the room several times, and it's consistent UNLESS you roll the worst terminal, in which case attempting stealth is often ggs

[tardy ingot]

R5D2 is rly good...

[timber shoal]

yeah idk why we hating 😭

[prime musk]

if you don't want to go for secondary you can also stealth while having someone at reactor terminal, and if things go wrong just get code and die

[timber shoal]

it was a lot of fun

[edgy veldt]

Based explanations tbh

[normal granite]

Its good, i just personally dont like it

[timber shoal]

r5d2 is like if r4e1 secondary was its own level

[normal granite]

Thats the thing, i dont like the r4e1 reactor either lol

[timber shoal]

oh

[normal granite]

@burnt inlet thoughts?

[edgy veldt]

Not a fan of reactor secondary’s tbh

[upper ginkgo]

forgot about r6d3 😔

[normal granite]

That has a reactor?

[prime musk]

forgot about 5c2

[timber shoal]

and r4e1 and r4b1 and uhhhh

[upper ginkgo]

fake reactor enjoyer...

[burnt inlet]

A bit too pessimistic but fine

[timber shoal]

yeah you missed like half the reactors

[patent mulch]

R4E1 not being there is a bit crazy

[burnt inlet]

Where R5B1 reactor

[upper ginkgo]

this guy is a mega poser

[normal granite]

I forgrt almost all of r5 because i dont like it

[burnt inlet]

Real

[timber shoal]

c2 reactor is fun as hell though

[edgy veldt]

Secondary I think

[burnt inlet]

He meant entire R5 sucks

[prime musk]

listen r5 has only 3 good levels so it makes sense but at least remember the good ones

[timber shoal]

yep

[burnt inlet]

I know I meant where in list

[normal granite]

Never claimed to be a reactor enjoyer lol

[thick stump]

you forgot r4e1 ^^

[tardy ingot]

5?

[timber shoal]

its got a bunch of dogshit but i can be a fan of its good ones

[prime musk]

idk why i wrote 5 meant 3

[edgy veldt]

What do you think those are

[timber shoal]

imo there are 5 good r5 levels

[burnt inlet]

R5A2 C2 D2 E1 imo is fun

[burnt inlet]

B3 too

I can’t remember C3

[timber shoal]

a2 c2 c3 d2 and e1 (presumably, havent ran it enough to tell yet)

[normal granite]

I was talking about the best (imo) reactors in each rundown

[timber shoal]

starving :3333333

[burnt inlet]

I don’t remember it

[patent mulch]

The only r5 missions I actually remember are b1 d1 d2 and e1 lol

[burnt inlet]

Anything of it

[prime musk]

that's because there is nothing to remember

[timber shoal]

very little ammo so you use melee and tool to clear alarms

[prime musk]

r5c3 has nothing going on

[timber shoal]

duo is fun as hell

[burnt inlet]

I do not remember that

[prime musk]

it is like looting rooms: the autoscroller

[tardy ingot]

R5E1, D2, C2 are def good

R5A2 is also a good one, albeit a tier

[burnt inlet]

Oh rite

It’s the uplink

[timber shoal]

corruptlinks intro

[burnt inlet]

It wasn’t that bad ammo wise

[thick stump]

ohh, but || 4 mothers in one room is funny ||

[patent mulch]

I know there is that mission with the dog in a tier but I forgot which

[timber shoal]

c3 is one of my favorite r5 levels :3

[timber shoal]

its a2

[burnt inlet]

R5A2

[normal granite]

Only ones i remember are b3 sec, b4, d1, and d2

[burnt inlet]

S2 fire

[timber shoal]

so true

s tier when

[edgy veldt]

I always wondered why they never employed the infection gimmick from E1 again

[normal granite]

So is a ton of scouts lol

[patent mulch]

Ev-S2 🔥

[burnt inlet]

(No clue what that is)

[normal granite]

I feel like r5 was the worst rundown imo

Not bad, just not as good as the others

[patent mulch]

Evolution rundown lol

[burnt inlet]

No it’s bad

[burnt inlet]

I don’t play modded

[timber shoal]

there’s just a lot of stupid bullshit that ruins the good levels

[upper ginkgo]

no way r5 is worse than r2

[edgy veldt]

The moms blow if you don’t have enough people to deal with them

[timber shoal]

r5 is worse than r2

[burnt inlet]

R5 is way worse than R2

[normal granite]

R2 was sick what

[burnt inlet]

R2 was like R6 imo

[upper ginkgo]

no way

[edgy veldt]

Literally

[normal granite]

We shouod do duo trials some time

[timber shoal]

r2 can be a little boring, esp the btiers

[neat vapor]

r6 is like the second best rundown moth what

[burnt inlet]

I’m too bad

[prime musk]

team you are all wrong

[timber shoal]

yeah i dont agree with r2 and r6 being equivalent

[patent mulch]

Sick because of the infection yes

[upper ginkgo]

r6 is probably peak

[burnt inlet]

I meant difficulty wise but like still R2 wasn’t that bad

[static kestrel]

am i the only one who didnt like r7

[normal granite]

Solo trials with 2 people

Then duo trials with us and dodo

[timber shoal]

alr midterms time

bye yall

[ripe hamlet]

agree with r7 being sex rundown

lots of yaoi fanfic coming out of that one

[burnt inlet]

Baiiii good luck

[flat pecan]

Hi, anyone got any tips regarding R5E1 first surge ? We're having a hard time to find a way to clear it regularly it looks like its RNG heavy and depending on the scans its either really trivial or super hard
We tried several things, like multiple HEL turret or foam + mines or double foam

[neat vapor]

what weapons are you running and how long do you take to get to the surge

[prime musk]

you foam the small door and that's it
just instastick all the scans and hope that you don't worry catastrophic scans

[tardy ingot]

R5 has absolute dog shit on one side and rly good on the other
averaging out to like the 3rd worst

[normal granite]

How would you rank the rundowns?

[patent mulch]

Hel autopistol/shotgun is quite good for that one im pretty sure

[upper ginkgo]

but in no world does it make r5 worse than r2

[tardy ingot]

R1; 2.0
R2: 2.5
R3: 2.14
R4: 2,75
R5: 2.23
R6: 3.61
R7: 3.2
R8: 4.41

this is based on my own ranking of levels

[flat pecan]

main weapons are 2 hel shotgun + 1 hel auto + 1 sawed off and we run 3 scattergun + 1 hel rifle (to stagger hybrid from range)

[edgy veldt]

I guess I don’t understand the R5 hate, other than the hard B tier levels

[neat vapor]

why do you have 3 scatters

[tardy ingot]

theres obviously some more precise ranking if I ordered them from 1-83 and got the average rank

these numbers are based on tiers

[edgy veldt]

Haven’t finished R5 yet

[patent mulch]

3 scatters 😭

[prime musk]

this is FOR SURE good weapon choices, you just need to stick scans and play a bit better probably

3 scatters is fine if your non scatter focuses on staggering hybrids

[normal granite]

So

R8 > R6 > R7 > R4 > R2 > R5 > R3 > R1

[patent mulch]

I feel like it’s a bit too much scatter though right?

[upper ginkgo]

they're doing cell skip obvs

[prime musk]

the speedrun runs hel rifle + 3 scatters

[normal granite]

Scatter go brr

[tardy ingot]

it is too much scatter for a normal play through

[flat pecan]

well the triple scatter is to allow us to clear the double mother later on pretty safely

[neat vapor]

you can full stealth that zone

[tardy ingot]

you only need 2 for those

[patent mulch]

Yeah but it’s speedrun…

[upper ginkgo]

lmao we've reached the point where cell skip is the default strat

[tardy ingot]

@flat pecan are you doing normal route? or cell skip

[flat pecan]

we go normal route for now

[tardy ingot]

then id drop at least 1 scatter

you obv want at least one

[prime musk]

i pubbed 5e1 with sky earlier this week and we brought a first timer of r5e1 into cell skip and it went fine

[neat vapor]

try dropping 1 or 2 of the scatters for something like hel gun or rifle

[tardy ingot]

2 is fine if they know how to wave clear somewhat

[flat pecan]

but we manage to reach the second error alarm and wiped at the 4 scan in the fog there

[neat vapor]

the difference there is you have two or three people who already know what to do??

[flat pecan]

do you recommend cell skip over normal route ?

[upper ginkgo]

duo p*b 😔

[tardy ingot]

no

cell skip is noteably harder

it is a good way to replay R5E1

since its quite fun

[patent mulch]

i think normal route is better to do first since cell skip you need to know what to do

[tardy ingot]

^

[normal granite]

We shold jst censor the letter * in every sentence from now on

(Fucking markup)

[neat vapor]

were going to start assuming brazil skip at this rate its over

[patent mulch]

oi yo didn't remove the letter *

[flat pecan]

kk so basically we just gotta keep doing what we're doing but better gameplay in general

[normal granite]

Oh sorry my bad

Let me just censor everyth-

[tardy ingot]

swap of 1 scatter most likely

[flat pecan]

and also for normal route is it fine to run a mine + foam + burst sentry ?

[neat vapor]

also if youre dropping scatter id drop the one on host if they have one

[tardy ingot]

you dont need 3 for mother zone (you dont even need to kill the mothers, but doing so isnt bad either)

1 can kill a mom each (as long as its on a client)

[flat pecan]

yeah I'm gonna say that to the group we're geting tilted about this surge as we would like to progress further haha

[tardy ingot]

if you struggle with the chargers take a 2nd hel rifle or similar

if you struggle with strikers a combat shotgun can be good

[neat vapor]

idk about everyone else but the charger segment feels by far the easiest to me

[prime musk]

if you're not a very strong team like 30% of the time you just die to scan rng

so don't beat yourselves up over it

[tardy ingot]

ye hence it was moreso an option

[flat pecan]

the charger segment definetly felt easier to us

[patent mulch]

it defo did for me too

[neat vapor]

at least you can skip the shadow alarm

[flat pecan]

just we panicked and didn't know what to expect as we're going blind

[tardy ingot]

youve beaten every level up to R5E1 right?

with optionals

[flat pecan]

everything except R4E1

[patent mulch]

imagine cheesing alarms using the deactivate alarms command smh

[flat pecan]

i mean no secondary R4E1

but rest is cleared yeah

[tardy ingot]

you are foaming the 2 small doors (not the one on the left) for the class 3 surge early? (and mining)

[flat pecan]

so basically you just go through the mother zone

and kill the tank and go to the charger section ?

[flat pecan]

yeah exactly

[tardy ingot]

well you technically dont even need to kill tank either

[frail heart]

Brazil skip very goated

[grizzled widget]

Can this game run on linux?

[flat pecan]

• a bit of foam on the angle of the doorway

[tardy ingot]

its just safer if you do sinec you cant mess up after

[flat pecan]

we're scared of the error alarm waking up the tank

[tardy ingot]

that doesnt rly do much tbf

[neat vapor]

surely you play it with me

[tardy ingot]

which one?

enemies can only scream if you are in the same room as an enemy or 1 room away

[frail heart]

Yeah I would

[flat pecan]

charger error alarm while we're looking for the key

[tardy ingot]

frosty would

[frail heart]

I get tgb and Eva and we win easy

[tardy ingot]

if he wasnt gonna fly soon

[neat vapor]

well he can brazil skip during the streamathon then

problem solved

[frail heart]

[tardy ingot]

that is what we wanna do yes

[flat pecan]

wait you're right, hahah we kinda forgot about that but the tank is like 2 room away

[frail heart]

Streamathon Brazilian skip gonna go hard

Okay autocorrect

[neat vapor]

and then its the e2 solo after right

surely

[frail heart]

Yes1

!

FUCK

[neat vapor]

!

[patent mulch]

i dont even remember a tank in r5e1

[frail heart]

I think if I could play modded I could probably get it in like 4 hours

Anyway

Brazil skip goated

[neat vapor]

sadly r7e1 is the worst e tier so nobody should ever run it

[frail heart]

Wrong

R2E1 exists

[neat vapor]

i love r2e1 sorry

[frail heart]

Wrong

[tardy ingot]

R2E1 (also R8E1)

[neat vapor]

if only it had the r3c1 charger error sigh

[burnt inlet]

E1 is the worst E tier

[flat pecan]

thanks for the help, we're gonna try that , gl for the streamathon :p

[normal granite]

Talking about REAL e tiers here

[prime musk]

idk man r2e1 is great

[neat vapor]

r3c1 is my second favorite r3 level i will die on this hill

[prime musk]

i think 7e1 is just the worst E tier

[normal granite]

I meant r8e1

[prime musk]

it's a weird mismash of half developed ideas

[tardy ingot]

dats a crazy one
R3C1 is 💀

[neat vapor]

oh it sucks but the charger error is really fun to me

[normal granite]

Tbh, r8e1 is more like a mid c tier

[frail heart]

If you do Brazil skip r7e1 goated

[tardy ingot]

R7E1 worst part is simply in normal play when you transition from first alarm to tanks and after tank kill to full room

everything else is actually quite good

[normal granite]

And secondary feels like it doesnt change much (done one run with and with out(

[tardy ingot]

in speed you skip the boring parts mostly

[tardy ingot]

yea thats the 1 good part of R3C1

once error starts

[neat vapor]

i wish the first key was cut out but past that its fine enough

[tardy ingot]

first key hunt is worthless ye

[neat vapor]

good standard alarm into an alarm i really like because of the tile it uses

[remote plaza]

i remember only time i attempted r3c1 my pc overheated on charger room

[normal granite]

Hmm odd

Only times ive ever had performance issues in gtfo is r6cx (crashes) and r8e2 going down to 100fps instead of 180

[remote plaza]

it was bc my cpu coller fell off

and i didnt notice

[normal granite]

R6cx crashes were on a handheld pc so idk

[normal granite]

OH

[frail heart]

Bro has never played r5e1

[normal granite]

Did that one on handheld

Perf was fine

30-40fps

[grand trail]

whos the friend me or dauda 😭

[flat pecan]

can you foam a charger scout with a full foam launcher charge ?

[topaz anvil]

yes

[safe cradle]

Need much less IIRC

Just go quickly blob by blob onetapping to avoid the spread fucking it up

If you're shooterbugged, aim the ground so the foam goes ground to enemy and still works

[flat pecan]

i don't even know what shooterbug is

[topaz anvil]

raw dog it and full blast them

[flat pecan]

well we need to safely clear a charger scout while having 2 mother in the room directly behind us

[topaz anvil]

Shooter cant hit you :(

[tardy ingot]

projectiles like the one from shooters and cfoam get wonky

[safe cradle]

If you ever get shooter projectiles to pass through you (on height difference) or cfoam going through doors or enemies, you're shooterbugged

[tardy ingot]

the height difference part is a bit..? wha

on height difference they can still hit

[flat pecan]

oh we actually got the cfoam going through the door

[tardy ingot]

the way to fix this is to restart game btw

[flat pecan]

yeah I was about to ask that

[safe cradle]

I never remember if it's when they're at the same height or higher or lower so I just put the generic term

[tardy ingot]

you can "avoid" it by swapping your guns between drops (dont even need to drop with new ones, just swap to clean up the magazines that are still loaded)

[safe cradle]

Just install the mod to fix it tbh

[tardy ingot]

with shooter bug

if shooter is same or similar elevation = they dont hit
if very different they can hit

[safe cradle]

Also because I assume newbies use glowsticks a lot more and there's no way to reset those IIRC

[tardy ingot]

its always very funny when I take glowsticks in a speedrun and throw them just for the lulz

i havent used them for normal gameplay aside in so long lol. Other uses are me using em for better lighting in pictures

[safe cradle]

I'd make them last longer and brighter, give just 6 of them, and make them show shadows MUCH better

[tardy ingot]

how would they show shadows is the issue prob

[safe cradle]

instead of now where, to my eyes, they make seeing shadows harder

[tardy ingot]

they def would need to give better visibility

[safe cradle]

ehhh I dont know? Do you ever have that weird graphical glitch where you're inside fog and enemies have a red outline?

Something like that but more pronounced

[tardy ingot]

hmm

[safe cradle]

There was a discussion about it long ago with images

it's like a faint red line going around enemies

[tardy ingot]

oh no I know that outline dw

kenny recently asked me smth that I didnt know

about which of 4, 5 and 9 are used as passwords

one of them wasnt

I dont know all passwords and never encountered the numbers so I didnt know

[safe cradle]

passwords?

[tardy ingot]

bike

oboe

[safe cradle]

aj

ah

[tardy ingot]

the 733 ones

[uneven kiln]

I know you saw me use them in R8A2

[tardy ingot]

well I dont rly use em

I dont stop others from doing so xD

[uneven kiln]

i love making Shadows harder to see

They’re nice for like pitch black areas but they still illuminate less than a fog repeller

[digital mural]

Asswords?

[cerulean fjord]

Any tip on how to spot a shadow without flashlights, thermals and bio tracker?

I failed my solo run and lost good boosters because i got robbed by a giant ass shadow.

R8E2

[ocean spindle]

gun anims, when it lowers and u pont at an enemy it comes up again so u can use that in steealth
otherwise pray

cuz why would u not use the flashlight

[cerulean fjord]

I just aim my flashlight at enemy foot level to be sure, but since its R8E2, theres gotta another options that dont include thermals and tracker.

[ocean spindle]

flashlight

as loong as u dont use it like crazy

u can use it and listen to the enemies

and if one wakes up u can run to a darker place and try to spot them

otherwise its purely sounds almost

[tardy ingot]

R8E2 and solo

idk

[prime ore]

solo R8E2 seems like a good idea

[tiny wyvern]

can you even solo R8E2 like without being really faqing good

[tardy ingot]

pure solo is smth where asking a question like above would raise an eyebrow for whether you are serious

with bots its still incredibly tough

like… consider that actually decent players all things considered (spiffs team) took a ton of time

[prime ore]

cheesing surely works

what is the speedrun of R8E2? like WR

cuz the mission is like forced under 90 minutes cuz it has a tiemr

[tardy ingot]

A bit above 90 min but ya

[tardy ingot]

41min for glitchless
Current 24 with glitches

Its been done solo with seeded/boosters
and with cheesing/exploits/glitches its obviously free

[prime ore]

obviously

24 minutes with glitches

that is like reactor skip as you mentioned before right

[tardy ingot]

yea

it uses an oob

theoretically there is another one thats way more complicated to pull off and is lag dependent which could clear the level in under 13 minutes

[prime ore]

its prob another forced event skip right

[tardy ingot]

Without spoilering too much

Youd go into reactor to trigger smth

then a player falls through the ground (lag dependent)

They get shot before they are fully in the ground so they are at 0% hp

They are lagging so not yet dead though

They fall (completely blind basically) to the ending triggerbox that lets you finish the level when touched.

There they un-lag. And before they die theyd touch the trigger box and initiate the ending

[prime ore]

average speedrun jank

actually just GTFO in general jank lol

[prime ore]

41 minute glitchless tho

crazy yall do it 2x faster then what was meant to

[little pilot]

And most of it is just waiting for reactor anyway

[cerulean fjord]

someone already did.

[tiny wyvern]

Yes, but they were... well, really good

[ocean spindle]

damn

theres a vid if u want

[cerulean fjord]

i cant remember how that one guy did it exactly but he had:

• Sawed off

• Hel rifle

• Cfoam

• Muled booster cfoam portion

• Bold booster Bioscan speed

• Agressive booster with supply eff 49%

[tiny wyvern]

Yes that's frosty

[thick stump]

this is only the first half and maybe not even half, so you would have lost anyways xD

[tiny wyvern]

He's like
Really good

[thick stump]

Frosty said that he tried R8E2 maybe 20 times or something or 20h, I am not sure

[tiny wyvern]

He said in the description it took over 20h

A bit over 20h

[prime ore]

oh yeah R8E2 is it like mission w 0 supplies so every1 runs supply eff

[cerulean fjord]

i tried to solo'ing R8E2 using special damage boosters I farmed from rundown 6.

The scattergun and Hel rifle failed me.

[thick stump]

has Frosty also used a mod to not lose boosters, because I think he retried with the same boosters again and again, right?

[ocean spindle]

no, only in the start but it has enough

[cerulean fjord]

he did show his mods near the end of the video, Hikaria.

[thick stump]

I haven't watched his video, but I planned to watch it later

[tiny wyvern]

He had PB on

It's in the description

[tiny wyvern]

This

[thick stump]

I thought so, would be crazy to farm them back xD

[prime musk]

incorrect
it's muted bioscan speed, bold cfoam portion, and aggressive supply

[uneven kiln]

The run was seeded as well

[prime musk]

and also you don't have to be really good to solo e2 the run comes down to rng check on nm6 and whether or not you can get code 1 in time to keep trap scan

wave 2 can be a bit scary but it's not terrible because catwalks are a safe fallback when tank arrives

[uneven kiln]

He knew exactly where all res and every enemy he needed to know about would be and it was still a crazy grind to pull off

[tiny wyvern]

huh really?
That's good to know

Doesn't mean i'm going to try it

But good to know

[thick stump]

did he choose the seed and then played 20h on it, or did he get a random one and played on that 20h? 🤔

[prime musk]

the seed was specifically searched for

[prime musk]

like don't interpret it as being easy
the shooting check in reactor can be a bit rough
but it's not nearly as hard as people seem to think

source: i did it myself

[tiny wyvern]

How far did you get?

[thick stump]

Zed finished it

[tiny wyvern]

huh neat

[civic wave]

yea it's hardly the measure of difficulty for the game

most the work was done by tru/ray/chill (and jish helped i think) in theory crafting and making a segmented run

confirming it was possible was the majority portion of the work, but getting the run still takes grind

[sturdy glen]

think we checked and we skip over half the time terminals give you

[cerulean fjord]

guys, anyone know how the Prisoners not starve?

[tardy ingot]

No….
You have to be really good

Reminder that these takes always happen and when you actually go into it its obviously incredibly difficult

[sturdy glen]

artifacts are really tasty

TWK

[thick stump]

eating the tasty candy on the floor

[cerulean fjord]

free gummies lying around the Garganta XD

[sturdy glen]

exactly

[cerulean fjord]

maybe Garganta was the friends we made along the way.

is it possible to kill the Kraken using just a Scattergun?

[thick stump]

it is possible to melee kill it

[tardy ingot]

Technically, yes
shoud you do it? No

[cerulean fjord]

yes, with a Spear XD.

[thick stump]

I am serious, it is possible, but like Eva said, you shouldn't try that

[cerulean fjord]

I tried, but it became impossible on alt:R6D1

[tardy ingot]

its doable on r6d1 if you use a main shotgun too

[cerulean fjord]

my last playthrough I litterally tried freezing the Kraken on R8E2 using cfoam and foam nades.

[tardy ingot]

ammo is just gonna be quite tight

[tardy ingot]

Yea that cant be done

[tardy ingot]

Technically all melees work
Spear just has some range and dmg advantage on kraken melee

[wet bear]

Sadly we can't freeze those enemies so they would just drop and break in pieces

[cerulean fjord]

on the bright side, I managed to kill the Immortal tank 2 years ago (only because of the one hit kill cheat).

• singleplayer offline.

that one hit kill stun locks the Tank for every lose of 2000 HP, so i used a burst sentry to stun lock it to see if it is possible to kill
the immortal.

[tardy ingot]

Yea… killing it in vanilla is only possible with cheats

dmg rounding n all

there was a patch where you could actually „kill“ it

By teleporting and coming back. Cuz the tp was bugged and left it at 0 hp. So any hit would update it to die

[cerulean fjord]

abt that, the Tank didn't despawn due to a bug where player desynced the moment my squad tp'd back to main objective.

we got robbed so hard that the Host used the one hit kill for personal revenge then we re did the whole run.

Incident happened a week after release of Rundown 7. I'll never forget that bug.

[normal granite]

throw spear unga bunga

[tardy ingot]

https://youtu.be/KxfozBtUS6Y?si=fhHN8lgr-vRezWkn

just for context

[burnt inlet]

Spear is best melee cuz it’s best against kraken

[remote plaza]

Nerf spear

[normal granite]

i want a mod that lets us through the spear

[burnt inlet]

Through

[static kestrel]

i hate the spear

using the spear is like using a shit

i hate that shit

[tardy ingot]

the only times spear were the pick I wanted were for challenges like this

[static kestrel]

makes sense

im a hammer glazer

you cannot convince me the hammer isnt the overall best melee in the game

[tardy ingot]

Nobody would rly convince otherwise unless bad or coping

[prime musk]

knife

hammer is just too niche in comparison

[static kestrel]

shit hes right

[normal granite]

knife best melee

[tardy ingot]

i forgot

Bad, coping or rage baiting

[prime musk]

im not doing any of those

[remote plaza]

Bat gaming

[prime musk]

hammer is best when you melee anything that isn't a normal small or small shadow

which you have to do in approximately 4 levels in the game

i believe that qualifies as niche

[little pilot]

if hammer is niche then all melees are niche

since you only need to melee in like 4 levels in the game

[prime musk]

no

because in the other 79 levels knife is the better choice

which makes it not niche as it covers the vast majority of the game

[tardy ingot]

when people realize that hammer clears basically as fast a knife

[little pilot]

knife is a melee that is good into small enemies, that's it. Hammer is the general purpose that is good into anything with stamina cost per kill. that's the difference

[tardy ingot]

the only time knife out paces is fully sprint

[prime ore]

holy shit R6C3

[uneven kiln]

does the hammer need a nerf eva

[prime ore]

how do I even

deal with secondary

god mothefuckin damn 3 hybrids like every 30 seconds

[prime musk]

knife outpaces in acive combat scenarios

[tardy ingot]

i dont think so no
It got nerfed with r8 ghostly (which ill im partially responsible for) that was deserved

[prime musk]

in stealth scenarios every melee is just about as fast

[tardy ingot]

hammer has good matchups into everything

[little pilot]

knife is better than hammer only if u like knife more, that's it. In a speedrun it is worse overall, in normal clears hammer is clearly better as it is general purpose, in duo speedruns there is some argument for it as it saves a lot of ammo since u spend quite a bit of time meleeing enemies while running

[prime musk]

yes, and said good matchups don't matter for virtually every level

[little pilot]

but hammer plays well into every level in the game

knife hurts whenever it isn't a small enemy

[digital mural]

You shoot them

[little pilot]

or a if it is a door

[prime musk]

unlike knifes good matchups which DO matter in every level

[prime ore]

very helpful!

[little pilot]

knife's "good matchup" is u save stamina per hit. That's it

and it is easier to kill with it

ig that too

[worn crow]

More specifically you pick weapons that are effective at shooting them

[tardy ingot]

knife spikes a bit higher into smalls

but it does have noteable downsides into mostly everything else.
It can still be useful and contribute but usually thats done working around its weaknesses

Chargers? Need to stealth up and have em be asleep
Same for nightmares
Giants you are at way higher risk and without first hit dont do a lot. Bbcs fuck you up and shadow giants are a massive risk

Scouts you need occi (and cant even deal with 1 scout variant rly)

Flyers are out of range

[digital mural]

Get a burst cannon or scattergun

And you press the shoot button

[little pilot]

saying hammer is niche is like saying "sawed off" is niche because u only kill like 30% of the enemies in a level.

[tardy ingot]

Hammer is niche would genuinely be a stupid sentence lol

[prime musk]

im saying hammer is niche because for general gameplay it's only BiS in 4 levels in the game

[little pilot]

it is not???

[digital mural]

???

[little pilot]

that's just straight up false

[winter breach]

Have you ever tried spear?

[prime musk]

idk

[winter breach]

Its more niche

[tardy ingot]

Yep

[prime musk]

you slot hammer for E2 and like 5D1

[uneven kiln]

To truly mess with speedrunners: Melee only does the minimum light tap damage until fully charging all the way where only then does it do the maximum damage, all or nothing melee

[winter breach]

Nah just spear

Spear is niche

[wet bear]

Skyfication touched zedofication idk

[uneven kiln]

(All or nothing melee is a terrible idea)

[digital mural]

I understand the reasoning of that take
But still

[little pilot]

r1 & r2 hammer picks: r1a1, r1b2, r1c1, r1c2, r1d1, r2a1, r2b1, r2b2, r2b3, r2b4, r2c1, r2c2, r2d1, r2d2. Genuinely any level with a scout or giant u take hammer and do better. Maybe a player or 2 take knife for fast clearing if you really want to but the hammer can still crack the same

[uneven kiln]

I feel like Hammer just remains a universal constant since you can smack a striker on the foot at full charge and they die which no other melee can do

[winter breach]

But spear can do all of these lvls

[digital mural]

And kill the Kraken

[winter breach]

Yes, bc of the long range

[prime musk]

r1 hammer picks:
r2 hammer picks: d1 d2
r3 hammer picks: c1
r4 hammer picks: c2 c3 d1 e1
r5 hammer picks: c3
r6 hammer picks:
r7 hammer picks: b3 c3 e1
r8 hammer picks: c1 d2 e2

[little pilot]

also technically r1c1 optimal is either bat or hammer in normal play (because bat light taps locks which is the real only gameplay loop of r1c1) but i'd say hammer just cause it's easier to use than bat cause who cares stamina

[tardy ingot]

Ill go into the point that "hammer is only best choice in R5D1 and R8E2" in a sec. Considering thats easily wrong

Lets look at levels where hammer doesnt have a massive immediate advantage. So a level without noteable scouts, bigs or chargers+. R6A1 comes to mind
Now, knife vs hammer are purely looked at for their capability for smalls, considering that we only have 2 giants in the whole level.
How does knife outshine here?
Hammer at walk speed (which is optimal stealth speed in most cases) can always keep up with knife unless you are dealing with a stack of 3+ enemies). But it doesnt need to worry about hitting head at all for strikers.
Id argue knife has an advantage here but its marginal

Only in a scenario where you full sprint or spam melee and run does does knife actually start outperforming hammer noteably. Levels that include this?
Stuff with small errors that teams melee. So R2C2 for example or R5A3

R1: R1B1 has a multipel scouts and a notable amount of giants. You never need to sprint or want to continously combat melee
R1C2: chargers, scouts, giants
R1D1: scouts and giants

I dont think I need to go deeper for this lol

[uneven kiln]

When exactly was light tap hammer 1 shotting all smalls nerfed (to head)

[digital mural]

But what about your average encounter with a scout or big enemies

[tardy ingot]

light tap to occi was pre OG R6

[little pilot]

and keep in mind that even in levels where knife has situations where it outshines a hammer, you only pick one or 2. That's it, anything more and u loose the ability to kill giants stealthily (at least easily)

[digital mural]

Little Timmy has to deal with a giant

[tardy ingot]

hammer base dmg went from 4 to 3

[prime musk]

idk tgb and eva you're like "oh it has giants and scouts so hammer is very good" except you just alwats shoot anyways
if you force the melee sure then hammer is better
the only reason you melee stuff to begin with is ammo save. and the vast majority of enemies are small, which you deal with better with knife. the ammo save from meleeing giants is irrelevant in comparison

[tardy ingot]

the difference on a giant kill between hammer and knife is so massive that it blows basically any normal stealth play of smalls out of the water

[tardy ingot]

if you always shoot then it doesnt matter anyway

[little pilot]

knife does worse into EVERY enemy but smalls. This means chargers, hybrids, scouts, ANYTHING

and keep in mind you also shoot smalls

[tardy ingot]

plus you sink noteably more ammo into giants % wise than smalls

(if you decided to shoot giants and not smalls)

vs the opposite

[little pilot]

and this is assuming that you can't actually melee smalls with hammer, which u can. Just as fast in fast stealth

u "loose" ammo in full sprint run through zone situations

well

[tardy ingot]

Knife basically has to play on edge at all points

[little pilot]

as long as the only enemies are smalls

[tardy ingot]

vs anything not a small

[little pilot]

cause god forbid u run into a charger

with hammer u left click and it staggers for ur teammate to finish him off with 2nd hit

with knife u just -4 hp

or shoot

[low radish]

real

chargers are pain for knife players

i mean sleeping ones not that bad

[tardy ingot]

you can deal with them in pure stealth

but deal doesnt mean well

[low radish]

worse when they're woken up

yeah

[tardy ingot]

yea

nightmares are even worse

you basically avoid both if you can

hammer goes IN

scouts, need angle

giants, careful

yes. strikers (and shooters) are the super majority in this game

and knife is better in 8/10 situations for those

but aside from mass clearing (due to stam) its mostly a 10/10 vs 8-9/10 situation

the gap is just far bigger the other way

[low radish]

Nightmares are bad yeah

a nightmare even

get it

haha i'm so funny

[tardy ingot]

xD

bbcs are very fun for knife players

:^ )

[low radish]

As a knife player I agree

🥹

the PTSD

[wet bear]

Bbc nightmare

[low radish]

nightmare bbc mmm

[uneven kiln]

exists in modded

[winter breach]

Looks like a job for spear

[uneven kiln]

Nightmare chargers/bbc in modded have 50% armor

[wet bear]

Depends on rundown

[little pilot]

gotta love mg reacting the mgm

[uneven kiln]

true, in this case quixotic

[prime musk]

that's not what i said
the reasoning is the following

you only melee because it's ammo save
the vast majority of the enemies in most (not all) levels, are smalls
you save ENOUGH ammo by meleeing only the smalls, so having to spend ammo on giants and/or scouts doesn't matter
therefore having increased efficacy into smalls at the cost of having to shoot bigs is a worthwhile tradeoff in almost all levels.

[winter breach]

Gang just use spear

Its that easy

[low radish]

kill it

[little pilot]

so you'd play spear?

like i am sorry but if that is the criteria

then pick spear because you can do all of that, and scouts, and giants, and kraken melee, easier

[winter breach]

Yes spear is goated

[little pilot]

the problem is the "increased efficacy" that u talk about doesn't exist. The only advantage u get is u can kill while running through a room easier with less stamina

hammer can walk through a room safely with the same exact 0 ammo cost

hammer can run through a room safely because it doesn't fear the charger or the scout

if u like knife then yeah, u get to enjoy the game more

but that doesn't mean u "save" ammo ESPECIALLY in normal play where u don't need to clear the entire room in <10sec and also move through it

[prime musk]

correct except it's slower and less safe (because if things go awry your stam is cooked)

[little pilot]

your stam doesn't go to 180 when u melee walk through a room

[prime musk]

if you fear chargers while playing knife you're just bad at playing it but i digress
it's not good at stealthing them but chargers aren't dangerous to melee with knife

[little pilot]

hammer is safer because u can miss heads, u can take it as slow or as fast as u want, u can play into any enemy and almost every enemy other than the base striker and base shooter are better matchups

[prime musk]

no but it DOES go into 180 if you wake room an continue meleeing without backing out and taking it slow

[little pilot]

and... you can't backout or take it slow in a normal clear?

if this discussion was about speedrun duos i'd maybe agree

that hammer is slightly worse on average

but even then niche is an overstatement

here you can just back off, you don't need to full yolo every room

and also knife is still more risky as at the end of the day u can get unlucky and enemy turns around to 180 lick, u can get ur stamina cooked by perma running anyway, u can fuck up movement and get slowed down by an enemy

if u want to preserve hp u still have to play somewhat slower

knife does indeed have a small advantage that u can be a little bit more aggro and it is easier to play into awake enemies, but you pay the cost massively: can't play into chargers/nightmares/bigs in general.

[frail heart]

Tgb I’m sorry but I have to

Idek what this convo is about

[little pilot]

"hammer is a niche melee"

[frail heart]

Who tf said that

[little pilot]

.

[frail heart]

GTFO chat gets wilder every day

[civic wave]

you force knife everywhere and still win, having more fun against smalls and the same against any other enemy

it's just objectively correct

knife feels special

[frail heart]

All I’m seeing is yap

Get some bitches guys

[civic wave]

lol you're monogamous

[frail heart]

Is there something wrong with that?

[timber shoal]

yeah i hate you, sorry 😔 😔 😔

[frail heart]

Go and

Suck a boob

[wet bear]

Ew

[lament pine]

what guns are the best now with the nerfs

[wet bear]

Although reasonable

[timber shoal]

you’ll never guess who i’m with rn :3333

[lament pine]

dodo tell me the goat guns

[timber shoal]

sawed off, hel rifle and scatter

[lament pine]

they didnt nerf them did they ;0

[little pilot]

someone's getting oiled up

[ocean spindle]

the update was a security onee, changed nothing else

[civic wave]

no but it is a functioning disadvantage on the amount of girls you can have without jeopardising a relationship

[lament pine]

why my choke mod taking 4 hits to kill giants tho ;0

[civic wave]

120/30=4

[wet bear]

Yes the new update introduced so much new to the game ( only mods being bugged )

[timber shoal]

choke mod is not the best i fear 😔

[lament pine]

but the giants like being choked

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[timber shoal]

relatable

anyway any hel weapon is good to some extent

[lament pine]

are all the autos bad or is it just me?

[timber shoal]

almost every shotgun is good at the very least

[tardy ingot]

you can force spear everywhere and stil win

[timber shoal]

most autos are mid

[burnt inlet]

Hel shotty is good

[timber shoal]

autos that aren’t shotguns that is

[lament pine]

they should buff the hel auto pistol to do 100 damage per shot

[wet bear]

Do it urself via datablock change

[ocean spindle]

always hadd

[lament pine]

naw i play the game with no mods im a pro

i once killed a tank with a auto pistol thats how goated i am

[timber shoal]

hell yeah

okie so my personal list of weapons goes smth like this:

meta: sawed off, scatter, hel rifle
v strong: hel shotgun, hel revo, hel gun, burst cannon
strong: combat shotgun, revo, hel autopistol, high caliber pistol, carbine, dmr
decent: burst rifle, double tap rifle, shotgun, precision rifle, pistol, slug shotgun, machine pistol, sniper
mediocre: short rifle, pdw, rifle, choke mod, veruta
bad: burst pistol, assault rifle, heavy assault rifle, smg, heavy smg, bullpup, arbalist

if i forgot something lmk

[burnt inlet]

Slug sniper best loadout

[timber shoal]

type shit

[burnt inlet]

I wanna show you my sniper and slug all over you

[remote plaza]

bullpup

[frail heart]

[urban orchid]

me

[timber shoal]

added :3

[civic wave]

where the hell

you kept talking about being broke there's no chance it's sweden

gotta be someone national

[timber shoal]

it’s not sweden

[burnt inlet]

No she’s with her other owner

[timber shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[frail heart]

Guys I’m so fucking lucky

Whole airplane row to myself

Kenny also does as well

[civic wave]

gtfo is DEAD

there is NOBODY ELSE coming to the streamathon

[burnt inlet]

Aren’t you on the same flight?

Just like

Sit next to each other

[neat vapor]

do they have the seats set up like the conveyors

i forgot the name of the thing you drop in

[frail heart]

Yeah he’s gonna come check out my seats after we take off

[urban orchid]

another beautiful day

[static kestrel]

heavy ar should be in the meta category

duh

[timber shoal]

my fault

[static kestrel]

yeah it is

[safe cradle]

Precision Rifle

Which I personally find it hard to classify because it's just so good if you need to deal with shadows or have long sight lines allowing for one tapping heads or have a lot of areas with low visibility

I really like it in R4E1

[timber shoal]

added that and arbalist

[thick stump]

should I send you the tier list from Rayalot, because I think that's a pretty good one or I at least I almost agree with it

[west raven]

Precision rifle is really awesome

[timber shoal]

i’ve seen ray’s list

[west raven]

just in general IMO

[thick stump]

against small enemies, it struggles against bigger ones

[west raven]

it has amazing potential and is really fun, the thermal is super versatile

[west raven]

just giants TBH, the rest have a weapoint you can keep hammering

[timber shoal]

i at least partially agree with it

[west raven]

unless you're fighting like minibosses

then ok

[thick stump]

true, but tanks, mothers and chargers is not good

[west raven]

sure

[thick stump]

in lower tier missions the precision rifle is really great, I like it

but I am bad with it miss too many shots xD

[timber shoal]

prec rifle has its niche where it excels, generally works alright but has several shortcomings, hence the “decent” grade

[ripe hamlet]

r7c2pe duo done

the cell error was brutal

the rest of the lvl is kinda free tho

[tardy ingot]

Did you do ovl during 3/4 cell?

[ripe hamlet]

nah

itd be too hard prob

the ammo was already kinda tight when doing ovl even without error

not that good yet 😔

[tardy ingot]

nah still wp!

just wanted to ask

[icy barn]

Why do you always have wood?

[burnt inlet]

Eva is a lumberjack

[icy barn]

Wow never seen someone having wood for so long

[burnt inlet]

House

[reef rock]

do you need to plug in the cells in secondary to get the bulkhead key in r4d2

[keen seal]

yes

[reef rock]

aw mane

[little pilot]

Local player finds out they gotta play fast

[reef rock]

"what do you mean i have to walk!"

[cerulean fjord]

this question is not for game.

Can anyone give me advice on how to deal with Narcissists?

[sturdy glen]

kinda sounds like a question for the game

[burnt inlet]

Deal with them via not dealing with them (ie avoid them)

[thick stump]

ignoring is always the best thing to do because there are always people you can't talk or discuss with, so instead of wasting your energy and mental, just avoid them like Moth said

[cerulean fjord]

Thanks for the Advice.

I asked because recently a previous voice actress made this document about me.
it affected the morale of my YouTube team.

[safe cradle]

Assuming you ask that because you want to be as fog free as possible: You could, in theory, get the cell in 95 and use it to get the fog turbine in the scout+chargers dark zone. Only issues (and reason why I never did it) are that 1- It takes like a good 10 minutes longer and at that point you might aswell just rush and tank some infection going back for cargo 2- That zone wants a class-3 surge alarm that, while not extremely hard, I assume can be a pain in the ass if the scan rng isn't nice.

[reef rock]

we were too slow and by the time we got to turbine we were all max infect 😹

i love fog!

[safe cradle]

Yeah everyone just skips the turbine and goes straight

[reef rock]

the fog is coming the fog is coming 😹 😹 🔔 🔔

[safe cradle]

You should NOT get infected before the beeeg room alarm with the bridge-catwalks anyway and should save some foggies for that

Typically people just go back for cargo after killing tank and dont care about infection at that point

[prime ore]

Full class 3 surge can be c foam mined cuz all enemies spawn from 1 place and two times I reached there it worked

And fog turbine is prob in the mission for ppl who cannot speedrun up until the end and have to go back to grab the cargo at the spawn so

[reef rock]

frog turbine

[prime ore]

For the tries we did it we always did 97

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sh2-silent-hill-2-fog-gif-1321460155140227201

I hate fog missions

[reef rock]

thousands must fog

[burnt inlet]

Fog missions can be fun

[tardy ingot]

Fog turbine is there as a potential trade off

But you using speedrunning as a term here is exactly the issue. The speed necessary isnt even that quick and its definetly not close to speedrunning

[burnt inlet]

People think speedrunning is like

Comboing with knife

[tardy ingot]

Lfg posts saying no speedrunners

But they actually mean „dont walk while stealthing“

there was this 1 guy in lfg beginners who insisted he hated speedrunners because they always threw his lobbies by waking up rooms in stealth

Not a single speedrunner knew him or played with them

[normal granite]

Me who literally does that in my solo runs

Its just so much better

[prime ore]

If I play solo and its not charger heavy mission I always run knife to make stealthing less boring and take much less time

[keen seal]

you got me fucked up

[prime ore]

Stealthing with bots take infinetly longer so I always prefer knife at that point

[normal granite]

I run knife anyways

Full charge, then swipe

[prime ore]

Yeah but I cannot play aggressively and wake up other chargers and then everything goes to shit so I run hammer for charger missions

[burnt inlet]

The humble sawed off

[prime ore]

Stealthy

[normal granite]

I just jump behind the chargers with knife

[burnt inlet]

Fuck stealth when chargers around

[prime ore]

Thats the point, then yiu run hammer so you can actually stealth and make your life easier

[burnt inlet]

Slow stealth isn’t making ur life easier

[tardy ingot]

you dont slow stealth with hammer

or rather dont need to

hammer just walks places (or sprints if safe)

[burnt inlet]

Slow stealth = walk

In my mknd

(In knife pilled)

[tardy ingot]

slow stealth is genuinely crouching

[prime ore]

I realistically crouch when there is jst too many enemies in the room so we don't risk or feeler is in the room and jst cannot wake it up at all

[tardy ingot]

crouching sometimes is fine
its not like I never do it either

In the R5D2 speedrun for example I needed to crouch even

Also im just asking
But you mean you crouch with a scout around so the other enemies dont wake up right?

and not so the scout itself doesnt wake up

[prime ore]

Yeah

[prime ore]

I alredy know those mfs are alredy woken up 24/7 right

Thats why we can always ping them

They jst have to be procced to actually fight back

[burnt inlet]

They Defo already woken up

That’s why you should shoot in the same room

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

Right mb bruh

[ripe hamlet]

We bring out the crouching when there’s shadow

Otherwise its dense room

But usually you can just funnel and shoot

[prime ore]

Scitzo demons I almost always crouch until I see how many enemies are there

Which is kinda hard cuz

Yeah

[ripe hamlet]

I always bring bio these days

Info is just that valuable

Bio + foam/mine is the stats

(For duo)

[prime ore]

I don't think I played a single game without bio

Cuz it doesn't cost tool and also helps both in combat and scitzo demons

[ripe hamlet]

Yeah if you play quad you always take bio

[prime ore]

Bio is shit in trio and duos right

Cuz then you would prefer fire power

[fathom ice]

you pretty much always have enough fire power

bio is still up there

[keen seal]

I can't shoot without the triangles

help

[ripe hamlet]

Nah bio is best

Knowing where enemies are coming from helps a lot

It’s the difference between knowing when to do stuff and having to play safe all the time

[prime musk]

bio is slotted for EVERY hard duo when playing for clear

[safe cradle]

No you dont go for cargo I think until the end even with random clears. I've 5 PEs there and never went for cargo first

I tried twice with a group that wanted to try it but we got killed during 4th alarm

There's simply not even remotely enough time to get resources if you take cargo as soon as you can

[prime ore]

No I meant

Do sec

And then do main

And then from the last locked place

You go back to cargo and back to end

And up until that time I feel like you just have 100% infection so turbine would be nice

[safe cradle]

I still dont understand what you mean

unless you meant "for ppl who cannot speedun up until the end and DO NOT have to go back to grab cargo"

cargo's overload

Normally people do OV, dont take cargo, Secondary (fog starts rising as gen cluster is powered up), then do all of Main until Tank, kill Tank, go back to get Cargo, then finish.

[prime ore]

Thats how we tried but without turbine we got fucked so we mostly locked into the turbine path

Without turbine I feel like you jst gotta get cargo before doing all the scans or else you'll get fucked by fog before the tank

[safe cradle]

You're not supposed to get infected until you reach the alarm in the beeeg room with bridge catwalks that goes down for a good portion of it

[safe cradle]

Noooo

Getting cargo before doing all alarms is hell

[tardy ingot]

You fight tank first though??

[safe cradle]

Since you're here, fog there caps (as in height) pretty quickly doesn't it?

[tardy ingot]

its not smth ive really paid attention to

[burnt inlet]

Is this R5B3?

[safe cradle]

All the clears I had I always remember it at the same height using the room I described as a sort of meter, and I'm sure 2 of those clears were a good +10mins.

[safe cradle]

R4D2

[burnt inlet]

Theres a tank in R4D2?

[safe cradle]

...yes

[tardy ingot]

…

[burnt inlet]

😭

Funny thing is I’ve completed that level twice

[safe cradle]

It's a tank that's even more onetappable than the one in R4C1 so I dont blame you for not remembering it

[burnt inlet]

Is it the one where the stealth scan lands on the tank?

[safe cradle]

No, that's R8B1 Secondary

[tardy ingot]

moth how

[dapper kestrel]

if youre going not a snails pace, fog isnt really a problem till going back for cargo. and even then its like a pocket or 3 of fog you have to go through

[safe cradle]

I dont make fun of moth for this, I've 100+ R1C1s and I dont remember the zone numbers

It's weird actually that I remember layouts of maps but remembering the zone numbers is really hard

[dapper kestrel]

Theres like maybe 1 or 2 parts of a zone that get completely filled, but you only go through those parts while looting in the first run through when fog hasnt risen too high

[safe cradle]

Generically, and considering you have usually some foggies, it's hard to get infected before reaching the tank

[burnt inlet]

Allow me it was a while since I remembered these levels

[fathom ice]

i have 100 r3d1 and i don't know zone ordering

it's only 389 and 390 😔

[tardy ingot]

tbf zone numbers I consider less vital than knowing that there is a tank at the end of r4d2

[reef rock]

there is no war in ba sing se

there is no tank at the end of r4d2

[fathom ice]

ye

[burnt inlet]

Go back to telling ur pilot to hurry up

[prime musk]

SKY
you start in 388
key is 389/390
blood door zone is 391
fog zone is 392
neonate zone is 393
then everything else is in sequence 394 and up

like please

[fathom ice]

tanks are existent in 4c1, 4c3, 4d2, 4e1, 5b3, 5c2, 5d1, 5d2, 5e1, 6c3, 6d1, 6d3, 7c3, 7d1, 7d2, 7e1, 8b1, 8c1, 8d1, 8e1, 8a2, 8b3, 8c2, 8d2, 8e2

[fathom ice]

i'm a brick

[prime musk]

6d4 has tank

[fathom ice]

where

oh

the blood door

[prime musk]

charger dim blood door has tank

[fathom ice]

see I'm a brick

[prime musk]

dont worry so are all the tanks

especially the ones in area B