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#gtfo-related-questions
tardy ingot
ah yea thats gotten some teams when going at it for the first time
running out of ammo on extract or overrun?
safe cradle
res zone?
tardy ingot
you should have 2 sentries that you can place down
that plus everyone shooting (sometimes people legit dont) should do well
theres also that you might want to kill the last wave of the gen cluster depending on where it spawned (especially since it can have some hybrids)
wooden current
ah isee
weve been running 3 turrets and bioscan
should we switch one of the turrets
tardy ingot
should we switch one of the turrets
you kinda want mines for the blood doors yes
they are also generally helpful when pulling a room (they just dont need any tool refill)
wooden current
you kinda want mines for the blood doors yes
ah i see
tardy ingot
also I hope its 3 burst sentries at least..
safe cradle
Rip sleepo
Why, map fun
safe cradle
For zone order, I'd suggest doing whichever has cell between 611 and 613 first
then open both blood doors and ping cells
wooden current
makes sense
safe cradle
res zone gives 1 cell back
tardy ingot
alarm -> blood door x2 -> key zone north
get the resources from res zone (generator needs cell but it gives one back) whenever necessary
safe cradle
so do it whenever you want, and do key zone as soon as you get key
every cell, fog goes down
soft crater
also I hope its 3 burst sentries at least..
I want to believe. But I've seen too many pubs and streams go for auto
safe cradle
which helps a lot with the blood door on left (612 I think)
soft crater
wooden current
I want to believe. But I've seen too many pubs and streams go for auto
nah burst sentries all the way
tardy ingot
hel auto at least has some usecases
its shotgun that makes me go urgh
like it CAN do something
sometimes...
but most of the time its just missing
wooden current
shotgun sentries are what made me learn to use burst sentries
little pilot
its shotgun that makes me go urgh
nah nah we gamba the 1/10000000 that shotgun sentry hits perfect 50 shots in a row and solos 2 surges
wooden current
this MIGHT be ideal
(i appreciate the advice btw i wrote it down and will be attempting again tonight)
tardy ingot
and well
depending on what kinda weapons your teammates have it can be harder/easier
machine guns arent too great, but as long as its just smalls they are ok
burnt inlet
Don’t forget to go into the zone that req a cell, didn’t see anyone specifically mentioning it, it’s free resources essentially
Im late to the party lol
Anyways I hate that map so much😭🙏
tardy ingot
I gotta go back to speedrun it again in the future
The split is genuienly kinda cool
civic wave
the rundown 2% will happen soon
burnt inlet
I gotta go back to speedrun it again in the future
I feel like speedrunning it might be okay but still weird if not for maps
frail heart
the rundown 2% will happen soon
after we run r2c1 we probably would do it
past mesa
after we run r2c1 we probably would do it
Surely
frail heart
and i get to be host for some of it hopefully 
civic wave
lf hanimoon
lofty osprey
yo i just got into the game and i love it. With that said I've just found out solo matchmaking on this game is infuriating at times lmao Any 3 gamers down to help me on a rundown mission or 2?
native sun
yo i just got into the game and i love it. With that said I've just found out so...
.t lfg
uneven gulchBOT
yo i just got into the game and i love it. With that said I've just found out so...
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hard nexus
unironically kind of
matchmaking
there is like 8 ppl left who use it and all of them go fast
each one of them is different region than the other so uh prob dont do that
man
i would love to join that r2d2
but im playing mtg in 40 min
past mesa
Pubs with the explicit purpose of going fast
R2b1 we go fast
That then know the route
and kinda hard comm until you play with 2-3 people
you can also just find someone else and start doing duo speeds
Ask them?
Or pub snipe them
Turn on notifications and social engineer your way into their friend group
past elm
heyo is anyone familiar with the logs?
currently looking for the log the wiki says is in the secondary objective in r5b2
grizzled patrol
heyo is anyone familiar with the logs?
Yeah, i have Cut some lumber before
noble sierra
There are 2 logs in R5b2 secondary, 315 and 317
Which is actually in overload, mb. The secondary log is in 158
Iirc that's the door you need a color key for, so if the uplink terminal is in the cell zone, you need to do an extra alarm.
noble sierra
Oh, probably mixed my memory to other levels
tardy ingot
The tutorial is a decent way to get a feel for minmaxing your time (aim for a sub 4:10)
as jish said, finding someone and doing duo speedruns of easier levels can be done easily too
Overall, ask around. Theres currently quite a few people who are new to speedrunning trying it out.
frail heart
Also join the speedrunning discord
I’m sure I could rope Tgb in to do some easier speeds if you wanted to
burnt tree
Is the first mission bugged??? Or am I forced to play this game w people??? I need help
tardy ingot
Is the first mission bugged??? Or am I forced to play this game w people??? I n...
Wdym bugged?
burnt tree
Wdym bugged?
I’ve replayed this mission 3 times now an I keep getting stuck at the part where you need to ping, I’ve pinged at their terminal but no matter how many times I do that an run around I cannot seem to locate the scanner your supposed to enter??
tardy ingot
I’ve replayed this mission 3 times now an I keep getting stuck at the part where...
Scanner?
(Are you in R1A1?)
burnt tree
Correct
tardy ingot
The HSU you are looking for is a human sized pod
meager mortar
you have to interact with it for the team scan to pop up
tardy ingot
I assume that if they found it they wouldve seen that
burnt tree
My problem is I can’t find it.. an the ping won’t ping
burnt inlet
Should send a pic of it in media tbh
burnt inlet
My problem is I can’t find it.. an the ping won’t ping
Are you in same zone?
burnt tree
Yes it says go to 52 E
tardy ingot
Regarding terminals:
you dont want to stay inside the screen during the ping as it only shows up on your HUD for a short bit (terminal still pings if you are staying next to it)
tardy ingot
You gotta rly look at things
I assure you that you ran past it multiple times (if you actually went into E)
burnt inlet
It’s gonna be larger than you expect
burnt tree
Even so I load the command exit the screen pop my tab open a nothing pops up??
tardy ingot
regarding your earlier question
Gtfo kinda wants you to play with at least 1 other real person
burnt inlet
Even so I load the command exit the screen pop my tab open a nothing pops up??
It’s not on the map
tardy ingot
Even so I load the command exit the screen pop my tab open a nothing pops up??
Not map
Hud
look around
It will make a noise and give a marker/ping for a bit
burnt inlet
Enter it into terminal, stand close to terminal and look around
You can even add -T to the end if you can’t find it
tardy ingot
tardy ingot
You can even add -T to the end if you can’t find it
Not a fan of -T
It makes the ping vanish quicker
burnt inlet
Oh
tardy ingot
And you cant q tech
burnt inlet
As in I’m not a fan of it either cuz q tech but for newbies could be good
tardy ingot
Its only good if the pinger
- needs to go afk
- has arthritis
Otherwise just repeat ping with arrow up enter
burnt inlet
Yea
burnt tree
Okay ima try this again thanks for the support 🫡
burnt inlet
But also could just stand next to term if alone and look around, no need to actually go in and out
tardy ingot
does -T even work with you standing next to it?
burnt inlet
Ye
fathom ice
Its only good if the pinger
- needs to go afk
- has arthritis
he said pinger
world is collapsing
burnt inlet
Any pingurs?
fathom ice
any pingers?
prime musk
any pingers?
ocean lance
pingers any?
ocean lance
lf1 any https://discord.gg/Fhu2qWfF
frail heart
.t lfg
uneven gulchBOT
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ocean lance
my bad original gangsta didn't mean to step in your territory
uneven kiln
Kind of a high level question: In the most recent speedrun competition, I was able to see ChillDude utilize enemy animation culling to look away from a tank and avoid punches while at critical amounts of health and be able to kill it. I'm trying to understand this system; to what extent is this used elsewhere at high level play, what extent is it known, and how does one consistently manipulate the culling mechanic to one's advantage to be more successful?
From what I know already: it's quickly flicking the camera, possibly a minimum distance is needed, and you have to be host
frail heart
Host culling happens when host looks away from enemies or is a certain distance away (like 75m). This makes it so enemy hitboxes wont move for attacking animations.
fathom ice
this has to be chatgpt
frail heart
Its very useful for BBCs and tanks
fathom ice
although i like how 'look away' is actual callout
uneven kiln
incredibly silly tactic, thank you for the explanation
frail heart
Genuinely useful and makes bbcs less scary
craggy pier
👋 I am a noob who's owned GTFO for a few years. Never had anyone to play with until now, and didn't feel like playing with randoms. So! What are some basics to keep in mind as I figure out how to play?
inner inlet
Have you playeds skyrim? You know stealth archer? That but with knife.🎣
ocean spindle
👋 I am a noob who's owned GTFO for a few years. Never had anyone to play with u...
experiment with weapons, try out all of em to know what u like and what u don't, and take into account that some r situational
and also get really really comfy with terminals
craggy pier
eh, I'm comfy-ish with terminals irl 😂 no programmer but I can use em
going to have to look up a bunch of commands or keep a manual next to me though
ocean spindle
nah if u write "commands" on a terminal
digital mural
Terminals are not complicated
digital mural
Nope
craggy pier
It's not like trying to learn BASH, right? 🤣
digital mural
It's not actual commands
inner inlet
You need to know bash commands, trus me🎣
digital mural
Like you would expect from a program
digital mural
ermm then why do they appear when i write "commands'
Read
What I said
Below
That
ocean spindle
well i wrote before u posted that :3
inner inlet
No no, slendo has a point🎣
tardy ingot
👋 I am a noob who's owned GTFO for a few years. Never had anyone to play with u...
you can check out this channel https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/884816732936622110 to find helpful (and typically spoiler free) guides and such
craggy pier
👍 Thanks! :)
serene laurel
GearPartCustomization
what does this mod do ?
minor fractal
can hel gun kill cscouts as host
Yeah
I think it's RNG tho
.3 vs. .25-.5
20% chance to fail
Assuming perfect inputs
prime musk
alr ty
meager mortar
i thought they'd decreased hel gun fire delay to .2
meager mortar
can hel gun kill cscouts as host
i double checked the data block for it because i didn't know if the wiki was accurate. hel gun has a .2 chargeup, so it should be perfectly consistant with perfect inputs
prime musk
am i losing it or are there just
more charger scouts than other scouts in e2
errant dome
i think zoomer is the most common, then charger is the 2nd most common
native sun
i double checked the data block for it because i didn't know if the wiki was acc...
It also has a 0.1 shot delay, which must pass before you can start charging
meager mortar
ack, tragic
meager mortar
It also has a 0.1 shot delay, which must pass before you can start charging
thanks for the clarification
errant dome
i think zoomer is the most common, then charger is the 2nd most common
If memory serves correctly 1st zone is 1 of each (except shadow and nightmare), 2nd is 3 charger, 3rd is 4 zoomer 1 charger 1 normal, 4th is 1 shadow 1 zoomer 2 normal, last one has 1 nightmare 2 charger,1 shadow
you are much more likely to encounter the charger scouts vs the zoomer scouts tho (you have to pass respawn room with zone that only has c-scouts) which is why it feels like there is more of those
prime musk
wait bypass zone is 6 scouts that's kinda crazy
errant dome
you skip most rooms usually so u dont see most of em
errant dome
yup
tardy ingot
we just had less boss killing weapons
no scattergun or burst cannon which shit on bosses
2 choke mods fighting tank (or 2 shotguns) is a lot more skill based than scattergun nuking it
civic wave
shotgun vs tank is fun
ocean spindle
r7d2 loadout: machinegun, chokemod, highcal and blank
ocean spindle
shotgun vs tank is fun
when tank vs slug shotgun
civic wave
XDist2 is a cowards weapon
uneven kiln
I do know the S870 has a beter precision multiplier
but it had less ammo at the time
civic wave
Normal shotgun vs Tank is not viable?
the fuck you mean
digital mural
You said "man it up" with the S870 and it gave me the impression shotgun is not initially good against Tanks
uneven kiln
This actually makes me ask: what about Precision Rifle against Tanks back in OG R7
that was introduced there
digital mural
I know PR was OP for mothers
tardy ingot
PR was not op vs mothers
it was a decent choice next to shotgun
uneven kiln
Each shot should be around ~50 damage
tardy ingot
11,4 x 1,3 x 5
against tanks x 3
but vs tanks youd just use choke mod, sniper (or if ballsy shotgun)
especially since choke mod was top 2 charger clear option
uneven kiln
so ~74 against mom and ~44 to tanks
the tanks number isnt too horrible, if that person is plucking from a distance they can pop a tumor in around 3 shots
surreal wraith
does buckland sb70 (regular shotgun) one-shot charger scouts to the back?
digital mural
does buckland sb70 (regular shotgun) one-shot charger scouts to the back?
Yes
minor fractal
Be aware you need perfect back w/ perfect damage
frail heart
Look for it on the cosmetics wiki page and it’ll say where to get it
steep ivy
is it even possible to beat r8b2 solo/with bots?
steep ivy
is there something that i'm just missing then? i put all ammo into the big guy and my ai don't shoot him at all
steep ivy
i really shouldn't have bought scattergun then huh
wild flare
kraken on this lvl is nerfed, so you can kill it faster
yeah, bc / hel rifle is better
steep ivy
recommended primary/tool?
steep ivy
and i assume just lock the player slots just before fight?
wild flare
wdym? you play with bots
steep ivy
issue i had was ai stole all the ammo shooting at the meatballs
wild flare
there are enough ammo for everyone
like i said, kraken is nerfed on this lvl
like pop 3 tumors = kill iirc
wild flare
bc is like second best kraken tumor poping gun after sniper, also good vs other enemies, use it
burnt inlet
I thought hel rifle would be better than BC tbh
wild flare
for popping kraken tumors no
burnt inlet
Damn
wild flare
i used it on r6d1, it was so slow
burnt inlet
Yea
burnt inlet
i used it on r6d1, it was so slow
D1 do be a fun level
wild flare
checkpoint lvl
steep ivy
what's the bc
burnt inlet
With funny speedrun strats
wild flare
burst cannon
burnt inlet
what's the bc
Burst cannon
steep ivy
ahhh, well i bought hel rifle so will give a shot
wild flare
hel rifle is good too, i used it on r8b4
it is just slower vs krakens, but still good
also easier to use, then bc
burnt inlet
@steep ivy just for reference you kinda wanna wait with R8 until last
steep ivy
well it's either this or trying to fight my way through r2d2, r3c1 (i think), forgot what up to in the rest all i know is i don't like them
burnt inlet
Pub R2D2?
steep ivy
no, been playing solo with bots the entire time
burnt inlet
You could try tbh
wild flare
i really cannot recommend to do r2d2 with bots
burnt inlet
But yea I do get what you mean with playing with bots
steep ivy
only issues i have with r3c1 is not being able to hold waves back while doing overload
wild flare
there are no other objectives on r1-r3
burnt inlet
R3 doesn’t have overload I think?
steep ivy
then would be 4
burnt inlet
It’s the charger error
burnt inlet
Same tbh
steep ivy
all i know is its the level where you start with nothing but get a ton of consumables
wild flare
r7c3
steep ivy
yeah that one's no like
burnt inlet
doing this lvl with bots is torture
Oh yea that one also warden protocol 😭😭😭😭
steep ivy
yeah i hate it so damn much, especially when i go to take a 45ish minutes food break and audio completely breaks
burnt inlet
the most fun level in r6 prob
Such a jump in difficulty
fathom ice
from c2 ??
burnt inlet
Yes?
fathom ice
i mean if u play with bots yeah
burnt inlet
C2 is like just a mom
wild flare
Such a jump in difficulty
only if you play with bots and doing PE tbh
fathom ice
if u play with people nah
burnt inlet
Oh yea I meant doing PE
wild flare
r6c3 without ov is easy
burnt inlet
if u play with people nah
I’d say it’s still a jump
burnt inlet
And 2 cells
wild flare
3
burnt inlet
Whilst fog
burnt inlet
3
That first one barely counts cuz same room
And whilst ur 1hp
And then you grab turbine
steep ivy
what does diminished alarm mean exactly?
i haven't been able to figure that out
fathom ice
what does diminished alarm mean exactly?
i haven't been able to figure that out
waves are small but frequent
psure
burnt inlet
how are u 1
Close enough, 15hp vs 1 is it really a diff when someone with scatter is gonna TK you?
fathom ice
Close enough, 15hp vs 1 is it really a diff when someone with scatter is gonna T...
how are u 15
burnt inlet
waves are small but frequent
No isn’t it where you have to be in scan?
fathom ice
if u grab turbine ??
fathom ice
u have a turbine???
burnt inlet
Before turbine
fathom ice
how slow are u lol
burnt inlet
Turbine is like 20 mins into the level
fathom ice
????
burnt inlet
how slow are u lol
Allow me was duoing with bots yesterday
And like we not speedrunners like you sky
fathom ice
isn't turbine in sec
burnt inlet
We just tryna have fun
burnt inlet
isn't turbine in sec
Yea the cluster gen
burnt inlet
Duoing having first seen the level?
burnt inlet
Unreal expectations tbh😭🙏
Yea we were just on a recon mission
For when we actually gonna complete it
He only did main
I’ve never seen
So like
Ofc we gonna get to turbine at like 20-25 min mark
fathom ice
main only is a free solo
burnt inlet
Just allow us to be slow as fuck for the first time seeing it
fathom ice
it's just a knowledge check
burnt inlet
We didn’t know the map or anything
burnt inlet
it's just a knowledge check
Exactly and we had 0 knowledge
wild flare
there are fog turbine on r6c3? anyway, dont pick it, waste of time
fathom ice
that's it
burnt inlet
there are fog turbine on r6c3? anyway, dont pick it, waste of time
Bro😭🙏😭🙏I’m getting mixed signals here
fathom ice
u don't carry it yeah
burnt inlet
Wkmyokgbeiforn skitsamma
wild flare
like, i used unconventional strat when doing r6c3, and i got like max fog lvls
and it was fine
steep ivy
well it's either this or trying to fight my way through r2d2, r3c1 (i think), fo...
to correct myself, been able to get up to r2d2, r3c1, still occasionally working on r4/5 (mainly cos overload is rude when it comes to r5), haven't attempted r6b1 and r7c2-d1
ocean lance
wait there's a level in r6c3??
fathom ice
read what u typed
burnt inlet
to correct myself, been able to get up to r2d2, r3c1, still occasionally working...
Just continue R6 tbh
steep ivy
i'm slowly working on getting some friends to download it
ocean lance
there's an r6 in gtfo??
steep ivy
theres gtfo??
grizzled patrol
there's an r6 in gtfo??
I hate the new Update. The new John GTFO Shaeffer Operator is Just too Broken. Who thought it would be a good Idea to give him a scattergun that can 1tap reinforced barricades, and then on top Just give him a sledgehammer completely powercreeping sledge
Ubisoft truly outdid itself
burnt inlet
🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
topaz anvil
I hate the new Update. The new John GTFO Shaeffer Operator is Just too Broken. W...
Nah but his primary is the bullpup which is completely unusable, so at the very least he's balanced into a specific head-on niche which can be pretty easily countered
uneven kiln
We didn’t know the map or anything
We were also reading all of the logs so
burnt inlet
Oh yea
hushed pagoda
haven't tried it but i read that you can kill a tank with mines. I was curious as to if the placement matters, wiki says 7 mines, some on reddit used 8 or more, but also had inconsistencies. should the mines say be placed on the top part of a doorway so the mines have direct line of fire to the tumors from above? am about to try R4C1
prime musk
7 mines hitting tumors kills. only reason to use more is if they are placed in different locations in case any of the first 7 miss, though usually you just stack them exactly on top of each other (in which case either all miss or none i believe?)
hushed pagoda
so the mines, like guns, do not actually cause damage unless the explosion column actually hit the tumors, right? are they still influenced by the multiplier of the tumors?
prime musk
the explosion column has to hit the tumor, and the tumor has to be the first hitbox of the tank the explosion hits just like any gun
hushed pagoda
ohh
prime musk
the mines still take the multiplier of the tumors (3x) and use their precision multiplier (1x)
hushed pagoda
i imagine then if you placed the mines lower then it will actually hit the legs first hence why people say place it facing down?
prime musk
i imagine then if you placed the mines lower then it will actually hit the legs ...
for sure
hushed pagoda
oooh alright
burnt inlet
so 50dmg becomes 150, meaning 7 gives 1050
does all 7 hit the same tumor like client scattergun or is it host client dependent?
hushed pagoda
oh yes thats... another one i wanted to ask lol
frail heart
does all 7 hit the same tumor like client scattergun or is it host client depend...
they will all trigger on the same frame so
prime musk
i wish i knew that , but given the tank kills i've done with mine deployer i think they can all hit the same tumor
burnt inlet
ait
hushed pagoda
cool cool, many thanks
i apparently can't trust one of my teams to clear this thing, apparently i'm the most dependable which is, not good
burnt inlet
you need to be a team to kill it
sudden nexus
i apparently can't trust one of my teams to clear this thing, apparently *i'm* t...
what level are yall doing?
burnt inlet
someone needs to get targeted and another guy needs to shoot
prime musk
if you're placing scattergun as client you can definitely just delete all tanks before r4e1
hushed pagoda
oh i know that, the other team I play with can actually kill it
prime musk
since ||they're sleeping when you find them||
hushed pagoda
what level are yall doing?
r4c1, tank fight at the very end
sudden nexus
since ||they're sleeping when you find them||
what about the mom that births tanks in r3d1
prime musk
what about the mom that births tanks in r3d1
you mean the mom that births pmoms that birth tanks in r3d1
didn't think of that
hushed pagoda
both of the teams i play with independently decided to do rundowns sequentially (mostly, haven't cleared R2E1 cuz fuq that)
prime musk
ig we need pubdown scattergun for that
hushed pagoda
but one team is leagues better and ahead of the other xd
prime musk
it's r4c1 you can just take 3 or 4 scatters and tank is nonexistent
hushed pagoda
does it matter if the scattergun man is the host or not?
sudden nexus
does it matter if the scattergun man is the host or not?
yes
prime musk
it's far easier if it's on client
sudden nexus
client > host
hushed pagoda
oh
prime musk
it deals as much damage on host, but client makes getting full damage free
hushed pagoda
so, i have a joke
prime musk
while on host it can be inconsistent
hushed pagoda
it's r4c1 you can just take 3 or 4 scatters and tank is nonexistent
that other team, none of them like shotguns on principle lol
prime musk
no wonder r2e1 was a skip then
errant dome
the explosion column has to hit the tumor, *and* the tumor has to be the first h...
it makes me curious why tank tumors dont get destroyed by mines
hushed pagoda
which is funny considering how many times I've saved them using those xd
errant dome
do they even take dmg?
burnt inlet
all pelets hit one tumor whilst the other one is some pelets hit tumor others continue to next thing
prime musk
idk how mines are programmed in the game but it seems very similar to guns
sudden nexus
all pelets hit one tumor whilst the other one is some pelets hit tumor others co...
🦐
prime musk
like everything else about mines indicated that they should be dealing damage to tumors and break them and cap out at like 1 mine per tumor
but it doesn't for whatever reason
hushed pagoda
it deals as much damage on host, but client makes getting full damage free
ayt gotcha
many thanks, gonna take these mfs to hell again now
prime musk
take them to r2e1 and force them all to play hel shotgun + combat shotgun
prime musk
REAL
sudden nexus
that other team, none of them like shotguns on principle lol
sawed off my beloved
errant dome
while on host it can be inconsistent
also this is understating it
its not "can be inconsistent" it IS inconsistent
prime musk
fair
fathom ice
trio speeds when
tardy ingot
find a 4th
fathom ice
hmu
tardy ingot
and enjoy
fathom ice
find a 4th
na
prime musk
we have reasons
tardy ingot
that other team, none of them like shotguns on principle lol
pls dont tell me that the are using full autos instead 💀
fathom ice
we have reasons
burnt inlet
Eva tryna stop people from doing annoying stuff frfr
tardy ingot
we have reasons
?
errant dome
pls dont tell me that the are using full autos instead 💀
i bet its 3 mgs
burnt inlet
world records im guessing
fathom ice
unironically
hoary mason
We need to flood the submissions channel with trio runs
tardy ingot
I will legit remove trios if people just use it to record hunt
fathom ice
it's not that bad
uneven kiln
trio speeds when
me and moth and hackett
fathom ice
I will legit remove trios if people just use it to record hunt
na not really
tardy ingot
serious runs are obviously fine
errant dome
I will legit remove trios if people just use it to record hunt
isnt that what its always been?
tardy ingot
trio are wonky but if its actual tries its fine
burnt inlet
I will legit remove trios if people just use it to record hunt
see we ghostly and i rezzed the trios subsection
hoary mason
hushed pagoda
pls dont tell me that the are using full autos instead 💀
oh; not really? it's more just shotguns in general, like as a concept in games, even outside gtfo lol
fathom ice
trio is a slightly harder quad usually
tardy ingot
isnt that what its always been?
theres a difference between "I wanna get a time that beats others" or "I wanna set the good time"
and
"Ha free record since nobody runs this shit"
prime musk
trio are wonky but if its actual tries its fine
it's actually serious runs
burnt inlet
bruh we did get a like very close to duo time?
hushed pagoda
can't really fault them, it's definitely a playstyle thing but that also kinda means none of them want to take the other giantkiller that isn't a sniper
tardy ingot
it's actually serious runs
but why not get a 4th then 
fathom ice
we have reasons
uneven kiln
theres a difference between "I wanna get a time that beats others" or "I wanna s...
what about “deranged unfun level to run while as trio specifically”
(R5A1 Sec)
tardy ingot
we have reasons
which are
tardy ingot
what about “deranged unfun level to run while as trio specifically”
force a 4th
more suffering > trio
frail heart
beat my r5b2 trio any% glitched time then talk to me
fathom ice
you'll figure once submissions are in
tardy ingot
anyone?
burnt inlet
no one runs that level
frail heart
you'll figure once submissions are in
brazil skip
burnt inlet
how are you intending to find a 4th
we dont wanna torture some poor pub
tardy ingot
brazil skip would be a sick trio
burnt inlet
cause them to uninstall
errant dome
theres a difference between "I wanna get a time that beats others" or "I wanna s...
i mean, not like i watched any trio runs anyways its just the impression that i got that 99% of people would only run it cause no one else is lul, but if it is the 1st 2 then fair
tardy ingot
mostly for the concept of brazil skip
hoary mason
beat my r5b2 trio any% glitched time then talk to me
Note that frosty lost a fight to a burger sauce
frail heart
cell skip trio
hoary mason
tardy ingot
i mean, not like i watched any trio runs anyways its just the impression that i ...
oh well yea
theres basically no "serious" trio runs. (serious as in trying to set a goated time)
fathom ice
hard trio run goes hard
frail heart
oh well yea
theres basically no "serious" trio runs. (serious as in trying to se...
r6a1?
tardy ingot
basically no
frail heart
ah
tardy ingot
doesnt mean none
fathom ice
savi runs are good I think
hoary mason
savi runs are good I think
They are cooked
tardy ingot
savi runs are in a weird middle spot
they are somewhat serious, but also just record hunting (but iirc their 4th was just not available)
fathom ice
avg
hoary mason
esp r1c1 is giga fucked
tardy ingot
hard trio run goes hard
just duo instead
burnt inlet
ghostly eva called our time shit 😭
frail heart
get better PUB
uneven kiln
well i did say it was a decent attempt but it’s slower than duo
fathom ice
just duo instead
hard duo runs are a grind
burnt inlet
get better PUB
am trying
tardy ingot
ghostly eva called our time shit 😭
no?
ngl the bot for the sake of trio is what irks it for me
but like otherwise im not gonna flame people for times
frail heart
what lvl was it?
tardy ingot
R4A3
frail heart
ah
burnt inlet
no?
ngl the bot for the sake of trio is what irks it for me
but like otherwise ...
was hyperbolic but also whats with the bot hate?
tardy ingot
slightly slower than your duo frosty (which, with a bot, isnt too bad)
tardy ingot
was hyperbolic but also whats with the bot hate?
its unserious in its own way
which like
errant dome
can't really fault them, it's definitely a playstyle thing but that also kinda m...
they are pretty much just hard handicapping themselves, especially if they're playing stuff like several snipers or AR. It's up to them tho, im pretty sure you can clear with pretty much ANY weapon technically, its just like 100x harder with bad weapons xd
burnt inlet
fair enough ig
frail heart
if ur gonna speed just do duo or 4man
tardy ingot
^
frail heart
or solo
burnt inlet
wanna rezz the trio thing tho
tardy ingot
oh ya
burnt inlet
which we kinda did
tardy ingot
it cant be rezzed
frail heart
rezz?
tardy ingot
it was never alive
burnt inlet
unfort
uneven kiln
genuine related question by the way if some maniac manages to true solo R5D1 with the full speedrunning ruleset that’s still not gonna be a fast time due to all the sustain scans, what would be the benchmark for an acceptably fast run if that were submitted
tardy ingot
trio is genuienly in such a bad spot
burnt inlet
i dont think trio is that bad tbh
tardy ingot
its neither the real potential (full team)
nor the super mindfuck that solo is
nor the mix that duo shows
its just the wack middle ground of duo and full team
tardy ingot
theres a reason people dont rly do "trio clears"
frail heart
trio doesnt really give much as a speed
prime musk
hard trio runs are actually kinda interesting because you fully can play everything like 4man, but it is still harder
duo forces strat changes from 4man in hard levels
tardy ingot
genuine related question by the way if some maniac manages to true solo R5D1 wit...
anything where you dont legit go afk pretty much
if your intent of speedrunning is visible thats typically fine
frail heart
hard trio runs are actually kinda interesting because you fully can play everyth...
but if you want harder why not just do duo
burnt inlet
ima run death% fuck it lol
tardy ingot
also ngl
if you want to "trio speedrun" due to difficulty
then just full team speedrun
frail heart
^
tardy ingot
when youve basically not run much of anything
errant dome
whats mine% even
frail heart
run bbc death% surely
tardy ingot
id recommend spitter%
frail heart
tgb actually grinded that
fathom ice
whats mine% even
die to mine
burnt inlet
id recommend spitter%
idek a good level for it
tardy ingot
find the level with earliest spitters (r5b2 in og, sadly no longer)
errant dome
die to mine
does it have to be like consumable mine
fathom ice
na
frail heart
no just a mine
fathom ice
mine deplo
tardy ingot
does it have to be like consumable mine
just a mine
but the tec is fucked
mine% is probably the most bs speedrun
if anyone ever gets it thats gonna be crazy stupid
frail heart
eva what about glitched mine% where you preplace mine LMAO
fathom ice
ohhh
tardy ingot
fathom ice
wait he's so right
tardy ingot
you know the bad part frosty
tardy ingot
you wouldnt even rly safe time over a perfect non glitched
burnt inlet
why isnt there a list of levels in the wiki where enemies appear smh
uneven kiln
find the level with earliest spitters (r5b2 in og, sadly no longer)
What zone was this lol
Starting?
radiant magnet
late drop into mine
Referring to Cage Drop taking long or?
errant dome
is this like a thing where you need a sleeper to insta trigger the mine or smthing
tardy ingot
late drop into mine
nono
1 - death% are solo (so no early drop mine)
2 - frosty is talking about a different bug where you placed a mine in the PRIOR run
fathom ice
Referring to Cage Drop taking long or?
watch r5b2 glitched
fathom ice
nono
1 - death% are solo (so no early drop mine)
2 - frosty is talking about a d...
wtf
frail heart
watch r5b2 glitched
my video specifically
fathom ice
I assume
radiant magnet
watch r5b2 glitched
Bruh I'm new, still on r1c1 with a friend
tardy ingot
is this like a thing where you need a sleeper to insta trigger the mine or smthi...
yes
you get 1 bullet of machine pp to aggro preferably. then need a striker (standing preferably) to spawn as close as possible BEFORE the bullet is fired so it aggros
then place mine (on hackett slot) in r2d1
tardy ingot
my video specifically
your video is IN my video 
frail heart
what if you just get a long range mine trigger
errant dome
yes
you get 1 bullet of machine pp to aggro preferably. then need a striker (sta...
crazy
tardy ingot
what if you just get a long range mine trigger
?
fathom ice
oh
tardy ingot
enemies spawn outside mine range
frail heart
on every level?
tardy ingot
iirc yes
frail heart
hmm
burnt inlet
wait eva i thought all of the dmg had to be from one enemy for death%
frail heart
does any level have respawn sacks in starting zones
prime musk
what's mine trigger range? 15?
tardy ingot
wait eva i thought all of the dmg had to be from one enemy for death%
no
just the finishing blow
burnt inlet
oh shi
tardy ingot
what's mine trigger range? 15?
about that yes
tardy ingot
does any level have respawn sacks in starting zones
they only would be in B
frail heart
damn
tardy ingot
same issue as enemy (but worse since in the ceiling)
errant dome
wait do respawn sacks trigger mines
burnt inlet
ima see if i can steal a record
frail heart
ima see if i can steal a record
r6a1 full team glitchless
errant dome
the more u know, dam
tardy ingot
also @errant dome @prime musk @fathom ice find a 4th
(which level you running anyway)
wait didnt you have lakana lol?
errant dome
also <@758600435908083722> <@1235338914017972384> <@415225476131323915> find a 4...
im not running
i dont speed a levels :p
prime musk
also <@758600435908083722> <@1235338914017972384> <@415225476131323915> find a 4...
just wait for submissions you'll get it
fathom ice
r4a3 r5a1 r6ax
hoary mason
ye r6ax is valid to snipe
tardy ingot
we were sniping recent trios
infinity n co?
fathom ice
ye
tardy ingot
ocean lance
i'm not running duo speeds
hoary mason
ocean lance
trios tho is more fun
tardy ingot
duo speeds are legit better than trio
burnt inlet
see eva
frail heart
trios tho is more fun
fathom ice
team
burnt inlet
we got some people to do trios
fathom ice
all speeds are valid
burnt inlet
^
tardy ingot
oops, trio category gone
frail heart
NO
fathom ice
even if trios are weird
frail heart
Im segregating trios
tardy ingot
missclicked
ocean lance
trios with sky and zed were fun
frail heart
long ass trio run
burnt inlet
nah
ocean lance
what if i dont want to speed seriously
frail heart
not cause the levels are fun
solo rn
tardy ingot
every day im getting closer to just removing a certain category
uneven kiln
glitchless
tardy ingot
glitchless
LOL
prime musk
you think we were taking it seriously LOL
i mean
we did consider strats and had goal times
tardy ingot
xD
hoary mason
every day im getting closer to just removing a certain category
True we should remove glitched early drop
ocean lance
is that serious really
tardy ingot
lakana with the 2 braincells fighting for 3rd moment
prime musk
it certainly wasn't super serious but it was hardly unserious
frail heart
Serious doesnt have to be serious comms serious gameplay locking in 24/7
my team talks shit during runs
but like we still play for time
errant dome
big scout
burnt inlet
they hate us cuz they aint us
prime musk
the petergtfo r1d1 run
hoary mason
Serious doesnt have to be serious comms serious gameplay locking in 24/7
something something our trio r6a1 comms
frail heart
they hate us cuz they aint us
Brother i've been trioing before you were concieved 🙏
frail heart
something something our trio r6a1 comms
Dont leak that one run
tardy ingot
the petergtfo r1d1 run
nah that was for different reasons
hoary mason
Dont leak that one run
prime musk
Brother i've been trioing before you were concieved 🙏
frosty you're like a third of moths age
frail heart
the petergtfo r1d1 run
dw those guys are weird
tardy ingot
something something our trio r6a1 comms
it gets so much worse
recent R5D1 run starts were cooked
tgb had questions...
prime musk
nah that was for different reasons
yeye advanced comms
burnt inlet
Brother i've been trioing before you were concieved 🙏
shush
tardy ingot
frosty you're like a third of moths age
moth is 36?
hoary mason
it gets so much worse
recent R5D1 run starts were cooked
tgb had questions...
that's normal for tgb
prime musk
nah moth is 12
hoary mason
not surprised
tardy ingot
that's normal for tgb
fair
burnt inlet
moth is 36?
bro wtf
errant dome
also, genuine question, how many a-c tiers speeds are just tohou knockoffs with shooter capping on alarms?
frail heart
none
frail heart
r7c1 trios
tardy ingot
for first alarm
errant dome
crazy
hoary mason
r7c1 trios
Time to get that one as well Frosty
errant dome
thought it'd be more lvls
frail heart
you do it for full team too frosty
ah
tardy ingot
its a cool strat adaption for R7C1
prime musk
you actually shooteruncap after the alarm?
frail heart
you actually shooteruncap after the alarm?
yeah
tardy ingot
you actually shooteruncap after the alarm?
yes, cuz the shootercap is like 5 shooters
that doesnt cap shit for anything else
and isnt worth it anyway
its just THAT alarm that you dont want shit to spawn
frail heart
big ass waves
tardy ingot
because fog is up and it stops clean up (which is timeloss since its 4 cells being moved)
tardy ingot
thought it'd be more lvls
genuienly watch some speeds (I can tell you some with decent strats at least so its not R1A1 level of breh)
Spawncapping is ultra rare and just not worth ever
frail heart
spawn cap usually just loses time from setup
errant dome
i mean ive watched a decent amount of like E tiers and some Ds
i just dont watch any a-cs other than 1 r7c1 one which had the shootercap strategy lul
tardy ingot
bruh
hoary mason
@tardy ingot go get egg tag, you are in Alexes server for that already
errant dome
pota
hoary mason
ptto
frail heart
tato
errant dome
pota gives me like, its a curse from another langauge vibes, if that makes sense
fathom ice
I'm back
hoary mason
its either gonna be potato, hut or log
and while you wait for experiment to drop onto your server you can have egg
-# onyourface
burnt inlet
hes back
errant dome
lmao
prime musk
that's crazy
burnt inlet
i wonder if BBC death% can be optimized
fathom ice
surely
errant dome
doubt it, tgb surely optimized it already
sudden nexus
we can do better with BBCs
errant dome
actually what lvl has bbcs closest to you from spawn? hmm
errant dome
makes sense
burnt inlet
might just do charger death
tardy ingot
get lvl with scout in 1st zone that spawns chargers (can potentially spawn bbc)
fathom ice
it's the closest one psure
errant dome
get lvl with scout in 1st zone that spawns chargers (can potentially spawn bbc)
lmao i forgot about that
fathom ice
get lvl with scout in 1st zone that spawns chargers (can potentially spawn bbc)
what level would that be
errant dome
is there even a lvl with charger from scouts in 1st zone?
burnt inlet
and that would spawn it, you run to spawn quick enough to justify that over a scan?
burnt inlet
ok ima do charger%
errant dome
r4c3 prolly for that one
fathom ice
true !
burnt inlet
dont think i have that
fathom ice
man
errant dome
well its just last hit right?
fathom ice
6d2 is answer to many things
fathom ice
not bbc
errant dome
u mine urself for 80
can u not mine urself more or is 80 the limit of dmg before just death
burnt inlet
12.994 second charger
errant dome
then yea in that case i think r4c3 would be better cause enemies can technically spawn closer to you (?) either way should be minimal diff from r6d2 i would think
burnt inlet
for giant% was there a reason eva went with machinepistol(i think it was that)
errant dome
i imagine fastest gun to shoot prolly
prime musk
i imagine fastest gun to shoot prolly
it is
prime musk
anyways doesnt mine do 100%?
mines have falloff
burnt inlet
fair
tardy ingot
then yea in that case i think r4c3 would be better cause enemies can technically...
in r4c3 you can also just get lucky and have like 6 chargers close
no need to mine
burnt inlet
i wonder if i could somehow get myself low with mines when doing charger% in R6D2
ocean lance
get in the tuba team
fathom ice
get in the tuba team
sudden nexus
get in the tuba team
lakana more like pubkana
ocean lance
get in the tuba rem
fathom ice
silence pub
sudden nexus
get in the tuba rem
sudden nexus
when are you coming back home
a very long time
ocean lance
wtf
sudden nexus
like 10 days
worthy sandal
i dnt have gtfr freinds..
go get some real life smh
stop living in discord and gtfo
ocean lance
pub
sudden nexus
go get some real life smh
pub mentality
ocean lance
no one plays gtfr all my homies hate it
prime musk
it's because you aren't combining it with pubdown
errant dome
all these pink names
basically all the regular chatters are pink names lol
frail heart
yeah okay whatever i just put a bunch of meat in my mouth
ocean lance
I love meat
civic wave
i will soon fry some meat
worthy sandal
i love punching meat
errant dome
yeah okay whatever i just put a bunch of meat in my mouth
this feels like one of those mangas where im questioning if i missed a page
tardy ingot
basically all the regular chatters are pink names lol
time rly shouldve been
- get insane time
- get decent time
errant dome
eh
frail heart
sub 15...
errant dome
nailing the exact time for a comp is a pain
frail heart
sub 18 is kinda free with split ngl
prime musk
yes
fathom ice
frosty u gotta keep in mind
errant dome
thats assuming u dont die on split tho
prime musk
sub 20 was chosen to be a good time that doesn't force split
sub 18 is a good time that forces split kinda
frail heart
sub 20 was chosen to be a good time that doesn't force split
yeah but that decision was made because chill was under the impression that half of split wasnt fun at all
fathom ice
that split is actually like kinda hard]
frail heart
the whole point of the lowest time was it was meant to be hard
prime musk
frosty sub 20 is hard
frail heart
over half the times were sub 20 for the comp btw
prime musk
over half the submissions
prime musk
way more of the completed runs of comp were above 20 than were below 20
frail heart
i had not run it
ocean lance
guys
frail heart
i was going off what chill said
errant dome
i mean if the intention was like, u cant carry people for hard role
sturdy glen
I mean split is still miserable with not 4 good player lobbies
frail heart
the entire point of 3 times was to have a quite hard time for the people who wanted to grind
sturdy glen
And idc about having a better role
frail heart
so that people couldnt just get tour guided
worthy sandal
chill always carry, trust
sturdy glen
The event was good so who cares
ocean lance
idk I grinded for my role
frail heart
makes me think it should've been lower
frail heart
i don't think forcing split
The whole point of 3 times was to actually have a challenge for ACTUAL speedrunners
without compromising the accessability
if you grab any 4 of the people who werent "tour guided" then sub 20 is not hard to get
fathom ice
i mean there shouldn't be like only 10 people with roles then
cuz there's 2 actual speed teams
sturdy glen
Could've just kept 2 times and dropped 50
errant dome
there was one no?
fathom ice
psure there was one
errant dome
or am i tripping
fathom ice
but could've dropped sub 50 i agree
ocean lance
there was one sub 50
frail heart
I just dont think the sub 50 gave incentive
but yeah
i think like at least sub 18 should've been the lowest
i dont think the expectation was met for the time
ocean lance
honestly
frail heart
ocean lance
I cared more about last comps roles than this one
tardy ingot
cuz there's 2 actual speed teams
you know... speed teams were build from people not in speedteams before?
ocean lance
cause it was just tour guides
prime musk
it's fair that the expectation wasn't met, but in order for it to be met you most likely have to spend a week running it seriously before comp
ocean lance
this comp we actually had teams
thst grinded for the Rome
role*
and got it without a tour guide
frail heart
it's fair that the expectation wasn't met, but in order for it to be met you mos...
no?
ocean lance
grinded like a week or two
fathom ice
you know... speed teams were build from people not in speedteams before?
well you're the only 'actual speedrunners' tho
frail heart
well you're the only 'actual speedrunners' tho
???
sturdy glen
Freedom
tardy ingot
the incentive of having a real hard time is that you either are already there (and get the good run) or practice and get there
frail heart
frosty it was not clear at comp start that 20 was too high of a time
Yes i agree
frail heart
But in hindsight, it could have been lower
tardy ingot
sub 20 was 100% too lenient
event was still great and R5E1 a great speed level
sturdy glen
I still think 20 is perfect
prime musk
it takes a few days to a week to figure out the time
frail heart
If it was done again then a lower time would be better
ocean lance
idk team 20 is good
fathom ice
idk team I feel like 20 is good
tardy ingot
sub 20 is perfect for a more casual speed time
ocean lance
it took some teams without speedrunners 2 entire weeks of grinding to get it
minor fractal
the incentive of having a real hard time is that you either are already there (a...
Sub-20 was already not very permissive, is the problem.
sturdy glen
I don't think a lower time achieves literally anything
tardy ingot
its not "decent time run challenge" but "speedrun challenge"
frail heart
The lowest time was meant to be a challenge for speedrunners, soy said this
It was not a challenge
tardy ingot
Sub-20 was already not very permissive, is the problem.
I mean you can see how many people got it without much struggle
frail heart
But you also said that he shouldnt force split
sturdy glen
I got what I wanted
civic wave
what ray said rings true i say
sturdy glen
Cope
frail heart
I had fun im not annoyed about it
its literally just a hind sight thing
I dont care like at all
civic wave
like, sub20 is already kinda bad unless you can push the run on your own very hard, it'd be a bit fucked going for lower with a team that doesn't live in speedruns and have the knowledge and behaviours
frail heart
tardy ingot
that was the point for the lowest time tho
frail heart
i cant say it again
minor fractal
That wasn't the point, tho
frail heart
That wasn't the point, tho
Soy said he wanted that
minor fractal
We get sub-16 anyway because we have an interest in running anyway
civic wave
yea if you're trying to make the good runners play for longer to get their time then sure
frail heart
"where people cant just get tour guided easily"
minor fractal
Idk what Soy said specifically, but it wasn't why I recommended splitting the times initially
civic wave
but mind you, all a lower time does is make it take longer for a skilled team to achieve the time, they'll get the role regardless
tardy ingot
where you fine tune the times in the end is up to debate with how much youd want people to push for it
but 20 is extremely lenient
frail heart
but mind you, all a lower time does is make it take longer for a skilled team to...
you could say that about any time
minor fractal
Thoughts on having two colored name times (so, 3 roles) for the comp?
as a means of having a smoother gradient between an easy and a hard time for E-tiers.
Might also do well for speed comps in general, it just stands out for E-tiers due to there being a much steeper curve.