gtfo-related-questions

[low radish]

you're right i suck and i should give up on trying to duo the whole game

my R4E1 duo clear is yours now

[burnt inlet]

Nah I’m good thanks

[low radish]

I'm sorry king

Do you want my sniper sentry

[burnt inlet]

Go back to R8E2 duo

[burnt inlet]

Throw it in the flames

[low radish]

We are not done with R5 yet

But last time in R8E2 we got to end of reactor so it went nicely

[burnt inlet]

Shun this person for talking too long

[low radish]

I was more excited about R4E1

[low radish]

You still haven't beaten R2E1

[burnt inlet]

I still haven’t beaten R2D2 lol

[low radish]

All thanks to my sentry

[burnt inlet]

Lol

[low radish]

We need to redo it someday

I will shoot you instead

[burnt inlet]

🗣️🔥

[low radish]

You know do you remember that 4 hours R4D2 run

[burnt inlet]

I TK’d a guy on extraction two days ago

[low radish]

we almost did the last scan in main but i shot cholesterol with sawed off and we died

[burnt inlet]

Nop

[low radish]

I have no heart to tell him

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏😭🙏

[low radish]

@neat glen did i ever tell you this

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏

[low radish]

The sudden change lmao

[burnt inlet]

U down to run R2D2 today or?

😭🙏

[low radish]

I could!

[burnt inlet]

W’s

[low radish]

I'm waiting to play duo with someone right now though

[burnt inlet]

Bring a bio this time

[low radish]

nobody is joining

[burnt inlet]

Fairs I meant later

[low radish]

Let's all go Mines

mine the hybrids mid wave

[fathom ice]

doesn't make it better

[burnt inlet]

I could but am in bed and I’d ruin ur run

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏😭😭😭😭

[low radish]

you can ruin it i allow it

[burnt inlet]

Aight be there in 5

[low radish]

I use Veruta so for me anything considered bad in this game is good

we used shotgun sentry unironically

[fathom ice]

i mean u use boosters

or I've been told so

[low radish]

that was a meele booster

I don't use weapon damage boosters

my duo does

[fathom ice]

bruh

[low radish]

It was onlt 5% for dmr though

at the R4E1 run

[burnt inlet]

Stop the ”don’t use boosters” elitism frfr

[low radish]

In general i prefer to use none actualy but that day i was desperate to win so i took 12% infection resistance for lolz and meele damage

[fathom ice]

it's not elitism

[low radish]

Funnily enough i am so bad at spear that the meele damage didn't help much (i missed all of the shadow giant heads)

don't give a knife user a spear

[burnt inlet]

I think sleepo called it elitism

[fathom ice]

u just say that you are bad with it

[burnt inlet]

Where vc?

[low radish]

What's wrong with even being bad, if you want to use boosters just do. At some point you get so good that the main game will feel bland

[low radish]

server

[fathom ice]

i mean if ure duoing E tiers I assume ur good

boosters is such a turn off

[low radish]

I am good but not in everything, my worst thing is giant meele but i am great at holding waves on the other hand

[burnt inlet]

(shes trash in everything)

[low radish]

I also don't feel that confident sometimes

[fathom ice]

she???

[low radish]

That's it i'm stealing your cat

[safe cradle]

I did a R8E2 with +12% hacking chance and I was turned off for real

[burnt inlet]

uh huh try

[safe cradle]

no way around that, I won because of hacking chance

[low radish]

Yeah i'm a woman

I know it's suprising /s

[fathom ice]

na

their buddy had weapon damage so

ure still running booster scroll !!!!

[fathom ice]

mb

[safe cradle]

french has more questionable things than weapon damage...

[fathom ice]

ye fair

[low radish]

No worries, everyone think i'm a guy so i'm used to it

[fathom ice]

still not a fan

[low radish]

He did turn them off

[safe cradle]

I'll never get "boosters bad" discussions to be quite honest

[low radish]

After R4E1 he played without that stuff you guys had issue with

[fathom ice]

trust has been lost

[low radish]

But yeah i understand not being a fan of boosters

[safe cradle]

He doesn't and didn't have to, people can play and use whatever mod they want

[low radish]

Eh I understand

[safe cradle]

I get people having issues where it's someone boasting or whatever

[fathom ice]

it's just

not impressive

[burnt inlet]

wasnt it sum about seeing the health of enemies?

[safe cradle]

But it's not you or french case so I've zero idea why you get all this flak

[burnt inlet]

^

[low radish]

I mean yeah but it also felt a little bit more like cheating and i wanted to play fair and stuff

[fathom ice]

^

[low radish]

so we settled for no mods like that

[safe cradle]

I get it's like that time azertywarrior was posting crazy clears with 3 bots then people found out it was betterbots with aim to 100

[low radish]

I don't play to impress anyone. I play to have fun with my friend and challenge myself

[safe cradle]

then people legitimetely got angry even thought it was never claimed to be vanilla bots

[low radish]

even if at first i will use somethign to help liek boosters I will still get better overtime and do the same without someday

[low radish]

💀

[safe cradle]

This, to be honest, is all that matters

[fathom ice]

but u make the challenge not a challenge at this point

idk

I've had the same idea with e2 duo

[low radish]

Is R4E1 duo not enough of a challenge

[fathom ice]

I wanted to do full boosted with alarm skip and stuff

[burnt inlet]

did he say that it was with betterbots?

[low radish]

that's better bots

[safe cradle]

no idea how people found out but they found out

[fathom ice]

but ended up doing it how it's supposed to be

[fathom ice]

nowadays prolly not

if u take ur time it's free

esp if u had mods and all that

u get me

[low radish]

We actually went kind of fast

[fathom ice]

what was ur end screen time

[safe cradle]

I sometimes think most people here are under the false premise that this a competition: it's not, it's a coop PvE game.

[low radish]

Yeah i get you but the ending point is, for us it was still a big challenge despite everything

[low radish]

Don't remember

[fathom ice]

ngl

r4d2

felt harder

[low radish]

wait let me check my wallpaper

2:31:52

[fathom ice]

2:31 is pretty slow

[low radish]

Secondary took most of it and brb to grab snacks too

[fathom ice]

1:30 is aight and around hour ish is fast

[burnt inlet]

#gtfo-media message?

[low radish]

I mean people do treat it as a competition sometimes

it depends from person to person

[fathom ice]

find it funny how my first duo was the fastest

[safe cradle]

They shouldn't.

[fathom ice]

and my last currently is slowest

[low radish]

Yeah. But the point is boosters or without the game still is a challenge for us. Sure we aren't as good as sky and others but we are still learning and sometimes do need a helping hand

[burnt inlet]

i swear people hear cooperative and its immediately a competition

[safe cradle]

yeah it's fair

[low radish]

I don't want to impress anyone I just want to beat something in a more challenging way to be proud of myself

[safe cradle]

I dont get all the hate, that's my PoV

[fathom ice]

I'm not a hater team pls

[safe cradle]

Especially about legit boosters

[grizzled patrol]

Just wait Till they hear corporative and start rising against Arasaka 10 Chambers

[fathom ice]

well boosters are lame

that i hate

[safe cradle]

People be like: Scattergun so borked man lel THEN weapon damage booster is OP, you shouldn't use it.

[fathom ice]

it is different tho

and u can beat everything without scatter anw soo

[safe cradle]

The point isn't scattergun, the point is a certain subjectability towards this stuff that gets overlooked because wrongthink-bashing is very rampant, not going to lie.

[fathom ice]

I don't know those words icl

[safe cradle]

not even sure subjectability is one because I dont know the respective in english and I'm just guessing

[burnt inlet]

sounds right 🤷‍♂️

[errant dome]

i think bias is the word your looking for

[safe cradle]

My PoV: let people use legit boosters if they want, who cares it's a PvE coop game, noone's under any obligation to impress anyone or take part in a competition.

[grizzled patrol]

Imho what i dont Like is that Boosters Change a playpattern in a Not so fun way, Like Ressource Packs only to a Effi Player, ignoring a Game mechanic with infe res or make encounters boring with stuff Like foam effi

[fathom ice]

^

[errant dome]

melee dmg boost is fun

i love one shotting giants

[safe cradle]

yeah but does it impress important people?

that's what's important.

🤣

[errant dome]

i mean

[grizzled patrol]

I dont Care what other people Take, but i will Not wait for Effi res Player to refill my anmo

[errant dome]

play however u want, i personally do not give a shit shrug

[fathom ice]

thanks

[safe cradle]

This is fair but its very tangent to the actual discussion

[errant dome]

da only part i care about is when people do shit like doorbugging in my lobbies, in which case i just leave, if u wanna doorbug on your own good for u idgaf

[fathom ice]

is it not fair for me to see more skilled ppl in community

or smth

[safe cradle]

In all honesty

This comment is going to get me a lot of flak

But of ALL GAMES to care about how skilled someone is

[fathom ice]

like idc about a bunch of stuff

[safe cradle]

Choosing this...

[fathom ice]

but I wanna see more people clearing more stuff

is it unfair

cuz I find it impressive and I respect it

[grizzled patrol]

I mean, it Has a "Hardcore" in one of the Game tags, obviously you dont want little timmies to be in your team

[safe cradle]

This is going to sound melodramatic but I want it to sound fun: ever played Max Payne 3?

yes or no

[grizzled patrol]

Nope. For Most of my Life i Had No PC or console

[safe cradle]

There's a scene where the secretary gets shot and Max comments like "Freedom Fighters fighting for equality by killing one poor secretary at a massive company at a time".

The end does not, indeed, justify the means.

[grizzled patrol]

[safe cradle]

I know it's a stretch of a parallel but it's intended to make you laugh somewhat.

[azure narwhal]

how do i make clear to my friend that its not ONLY about completing a level? everything he cares about is if we manage to beat a level or not.
obviously i also want to beat it, but if we die and start over im still having fun, but he almost always wants to switch level immediately because he doesnt wanna "do the whole thing again" or "that level is too hard as duo", the typical max amount we try a level is like TWICE because of this. to me it nearly seems like playing the game isnt even really fun to him (which i highly doubt, because he wouldnt play it then, right??? right??) and all he wants is to "get it over with" so to speak

[grizzled patrol]

There is nothing wrong with trying Out different Levels. Some Levels are Just going to be hard Walls where you need to get Gud before you can Pass it

[azure narwhal]

yeah i understand, but he does that for EVERY level, sometimes we come back to level after a few days and do it first try because it wasnt even that hard

[grizzled patrol]

Then get gud

[azure narwhal]

technically not first try anymore but you get what i mean

[azure narwhal]

what does that have to do with enjoying the process of playing a level

[grizzled patrol]

You are going to enjoy it more once you get better at it

[azure narwhal]

well yeah, makes sense. that happens over time anyways tho ,, i just want my friend to appreciate just playing the game and not only have "if we lose we have to start over" / "we HAVE to beat this level right now" on his mind

[grizzled patrol]

I dont See any problems with that tho. If they dont enjoy the gameplay Loop, then you cant Just Tell them to Like it

[azure narwhal]

yeee i get it im not responsible for his mindset,, it just feels to me as if he is missing out on 90% of the fun, which is a shame,, i guess i cant do anything about it

[spark wolf]

we basically completed it @weary mesa

[burnt inlet]

@low radish

[tardy ingot]

But like
If repeating a mission isnt fun for them, then how is going through it the first time fun?

[burnt inlet]

just cuz ur repeating sum and find repeating it boring doesnt mean that the thing isnt fun, doing a level for the first time is way more fun than the 10th

[tardy ingot]

it definetly is
But if you fail (likely not at 99%) then you still get to clear it with fresh stuff

And 2nd time vs 1st time (no clear) isnt rly a big difference

[burnt inlet]

fairs

on an unrelated note R2D2 is a sentry level rite?

[low radish]

Gosh dang it Moth

not again

[low radish]

no. take foam

[burnt inlet]

go back to eating "dinner"

[burnt inlet]

uh huh

[low radish]

Fries are a very good dinner

[burnt inlet]

cuh its 14:00

fuck is that kinda dinner 💀

[low radish]

Yeah

I eat dinner at 2PM

[low radish]

I don't eat much

[burnt inlet]

cuh has a weird ahh circadian rythm

(meant the time)

[low radish]

Let me eat in peace you're the second person who says i'm weird for eating dinner at 2pm 😭

[grizzled patrol]

Huh???

[low radish]

I was talking to moth

...don't say you think i'm weird for it too

[grizzled patrol]

Surely you mean Lunch, right?

[low radish]

...

🥹

I mean dinner.

[grizzled patrol]

[low radish]

😭

[burnt inlet]

average dymus moment

honestly

[low radish]

Let me eat my dinner in peace 😭

[grizzled patrol]

@burnt inlet btw i am free rn

Up for anything?

[burnt inlet]

join my R2D2 run?

just got to the reactor

[grizzled patrol]

Where

What Vc

[burnt inlet]

wasnt in one lol

[low radish]

I will go eat my fries in peace

[burnt inlet]

was with bots

[low radish]

Am i not good enough

[burnt inlet]

yea ms. dinner at 14:00 (not super weird tbh)

[burnt inlet]

at least ur smart enough to figure out the problem

[grizzled patrol]

Fries is a good Lunch

[low radish]

I'm eating dinner not lunch

[low radish]

...I hate you.

🥹

That's it i'm going back to Pablo

at least he wants to go with me and do scans

[burnt inlet]

go back to mcdonalds fries "dinner" at 14:00

[low radish]

I am constantly bullied in this server 😔

[grizzled patrol]

yummers

[low radish]

You guys are so mean

[tardy ingot]

Its a reactor so yea

[burnt inlet]

tihi

[burnt inlet]

nähe its us ur talking about

[azure narwhal]

is there a level that lets you easily practice solo giant melee kills? like having a giant without packed other enemies nearby in the first room or something like that?

[low radish]

R2B2

[azure narwhal]

thanks

[low radish]

No problem now off to my fries

[burnt inlet]

at least have like

smth with them

[tardy ingot]

You can easily make some sick loaded fries

[safe cradle]

R4B1 is also a candidate

[azure narwhal]

noted

[safe cradle]

R3A2 too

[tardy ingot]

Also generally more spaced out

R3A2 needs many resets since 2 rooms if you fail

[azure narwhal]

i got smacked

i dont really understand how the stagger works

it looks like they are staggered and attack me frame 1 out of stagger

[low radish]

The animation is longer than the actual stagger

[azure narwhal]

aaa that def explains it

does fully charged bat from the front always stagger giants?

[spark wolf]

use a good melee weapon

[azure narwhal]

i wanna use a FUN melee weapon

just killed one, do i get the achievement if i go back to lobby or do i have to beat the whole level?

[spark wolf]

[wild flare]

No need to finish lvl

[azure narwhal]

i dont like the slowness of the spear and hammer thats why im such a big knife fan, but with the knife im doomed against giants if i dont wanna wake up the room/have no ammo or dont wanna use ammo so i wanted to try out the bat aswell

[wild flare]

Knife is good on fast stealth / chain kills vs small enemies, also less chance to long aggro other enemies and from lock breaks, but vs big enemies it is not good

[simple coral]

Helloo, just wanna ask how much hours of content does GTFO really have and is it still being updated with new maps every few months or weeks?

new to the game, just bought it today

[azure narwhal]

ALOT of hours

[wild flare]

Hello, game is finished, no more content updates, but you have 83 (?) Lvls to clear and it is hard and probably will take 200-300h to clear all, if not carried ig

[azure narwhal]

really wanna try to kill a giant with a knife haha

barely even did it with the bat

[simple coral]

is it that HARD? Like I'm seeing people discouraging me to even buy it because of how stupidly hard the game is and that the playerbase is "dead" T_T

[wild flare]

I have video just for you

https://youtu.be/aY-jTaEyS_4?si=4tYOfACuPOCy4gMq

[wild flare]

Playerbase definitely not dead, ingame matchmaking is bad, better find party through discord lfg

[azure narwhal]

you are going to need lots of knowledge and practice and (in my opinion) most importantly good team coordination/communication to beat the harder levels

[wild flare]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[azure narwhal]

how tf did the lick at :49 not hit

[wild flare]

If you want, you can play with bots, BUT it will be much harder and you will spend 2x time on game minimum

[azure narwhal]

yeah, just having one other player will make your life alot easier (and much more fun!!)

[heady moat]

Make sure you remember to play the Training expedition before jumping into the actual game.

[wild flare]

Ig giant cancelled lick attack for melee swing

[azure narwhal]

oooo didn know it can do that

[wild flare]

I dont know exactly how this happened, this is not normal behavior xd

[spark wolf]

knife is better for stealth giant

since change where back damage counts towards body part damage

if you are behind, a full charge can break body part

[misty kernel]

is it true that u take more damage and infection the lower ur stamina is or is that just bs lies

[fathom ice]

it is lies

[misty kernel]

what???

[spark wolf]

yes

for stealth

[fathom ice]

is it just me or it's a bit tricky to break a limb

cuz of knife hitbox prob

[misty kernel]

ur saying fully charged knife gives same dmg as fully charged hammer/spear and makes no difference?

[spark wolf]

not same

[wild flare]

Bs

[spark wolf]

but enough to break body part

to cause the long stagger

[fathom ice]

u kill faster with knife prob

[misty kernel]

u need 2x full charged on a limb to break it whereas spear/hammer takes only 1 so no
knife not rly well against giants

[fathom ice]

u need one full charge to the back of the limb

to break it

[misty kernel]

are u talkin bout the neck/head or limbs including legs/arms too etc

[spark wolf]

in the current version of the game back multi applies to body part damage

[misty kernel]

i didnt knew that

limbs takes more dmg from behind wow

[spark wolf]

also it was a comparison to bat

[misty kernel]

whats the diff between knife/bat anyway

[spark wolf]

the bat is bad

[fathom ice]

ye fair

[misty kernel]

elaborate

[fathom ice]

unironically knife kills the fastest still prob

[misty kernel]

no slightly more dmg than knife etc

[spark wolf]

knifes initial hit is better because you get stealth multi

so use it on head

bat was meant to be good for stagger but they released it together with hammer that staggered on every hit

now hammer doesnt do that anymore(?) but the stagger bonus still is meaningless because body part staggers are better and easy with hammer

and for small enemies a hit with anything at the right time cancels the attack

guns/melee any damage any charge

[digital mural]

who told you the playerbase is dead

[simple coral]

reddit

[digital mural]

brother

reddit is reddit

dont ever take reddit as your source of news/information

[tardy ingot]

Playerbase isnt dead
Game is hard. But a lot of it comes from people lacking knowledge, but for most of that you can check guides made by community members

[digital mural]

remember guys
smashing your head against a wall for hours until you complete a level is not improving at the game

[tardy ingot]

It can be

But usually isnt

[tardy ingot]

No like
You just do more damage from behind

[uneven kiln]

the hardest part of GTFO is probably being able to execute effectively

you could have the best advice, know all the mechanics

[ocean spindle]

me with the 47th gtfo in the guillotine: why can't i do it right?!

[uneven kiln]

thank you for your modded weapon suggestion

[safe cradle]

@tardy ingot but open question to anyone: let's suppose I want to test/get better at code fetching R4E1 without subjecting 3 people to it, how fast/easy is it to set up a working situation on cconsole?

[tardy ingot]

Tbf if you actually learned how to do all the basics and execute aggressively youd clear basically every A and B tier that doesnt have error alarm sections where you gotta progress

[tardy ingot]

I presume no enemies spawning?

(From the reactor waves)

[safe cradle]

as in reactor not actually working? yeah

[tardy ingot]

1 sec

[safe cradle]

As in, very easy?

Or as in "wait a second"

[prime musk]

1 minute
completeobjective 0
-> noclip into reactor room

then you can just reactor startup as usual and go

[safe cradle]

I assume I'd have to open sec doors with cconsole?

[prime musk]

nop

they just work

[safe cradle]

because they dont actually spawn since the sec door is closed?

[uneven kiln]

I regularly refer people to your guides and I still know several people who have never beaten the tutorial or R1A1 on their own time including walking them through it. They just can't execute and will give up before enough practice can be done

[prime musk]

they spawn in elevator zone

so the bh door being closed means they are just stuck

[safe cradle]

Got it, thanks

[civic wave]

if you'd wanted you could start up the reactor, use StopAllWave so enemies don't spawn, and then ReactorGoToWave to "plug" codes - if the enemies don't get stuck at baseline

[prime musk]

oh yeah to simulate you might want to use reactor jump wave to not have to backtrack for code plug

never having scream cd from reactor hold makes stealth a lot more punishing especially for code 4 but if you're saved by it in a real scenario you fucked up already

[uneven kiln]

I have been able to teach several others though, and I even brought a guy straight into R6D3 Overload to test a spawning oddity I found, and we duo'd that. They caught on real quick

[safe cradle]

Got it, thanks for the detailed answers @civic wave @prime musk @tardy ingot

[tardy ingot]

Drop in:
stopallwave (so tank error stops)
Completeobjective 0
Spawn a bunch of strikers outside the secondary bulkhead and aggro them. Then no clip inside and start it normally

[uneven kiln]

(If anyone is curious about the spawning oddity, for some reason bots specifically break the Overload error, and humans do not)

[civic wave]

also you can make checkpoints in case you die so you don't need to do the entire setup again

[tardy ingot]

^

[spark wolf]

you can just shoot

r4e1 codes

there are resources everywhere for you

[tardy ingot]

Solo 4 mom shooting

Definetly a normal run and practice

[spark wolf]

theres only 1 roon you have to be careful in

and its 4 enemies

in any other room it does not matter if you fuck up

most important thing is hp

just keep replenishing if you need to

[tardy ingot]

Huh thats interesting

Basically all things you need to do in say R1A1 as a team of 2-4 are so simple that theres basically no player input necessary

[uneven kiln]

I agree. The Class IV can be a little dangerous unchecked, but also can be stalled with foam or held back with sentries to the point where the only time you’ll really need to fire that much is during cleanup/error/during stealth mistakes

I’m sure you are familiar with the markiplier team gameplay video, that’s actually one of the widest reaches pieces of media for how people have heard and or seen GTFO before

[tardy ingot]

Yea its what we checked out when we just got the game (once we realized it wasnt the same content we were playing)

[uneven kiln]

That's good. It's great for spreading word while simultaneously being one of the biggest examples of just how far we come as players versus initially unlearning a lot of conventions other games do, such as not having a billion bullets (or infinite restocks at crates)

And, by very modern standards, not having extreme movement tech

[spark wolf]

its just fear too

ppl die to a single enemy because the music startsbplaying and its a "stealth" game and they just fucked up

[uneven kiln]

in most stealth games, the moment you mess up, it has you forcibly restart from a checkpoint or something to the point where you just wanna save reset

[fathom ice]

but it's not a stealth game !

fully

[spark wolf]

i was the same in r1

[fathom ice]

we all were

[spark wolf]

changed a lot when r2e1 came out

[topaz anvil]

the trauma

[fathom ice]

are u og r1?

[spark wolf]

not really because the level but because the ppl i played it with

that knew more

yes

[fathom ice]

gaming

[spark wolf]

r2d2 was so much fun back then too

no hel weapon

no good giant weapon

[uneven kiln]

I would say the moment that this game spells out in your face that it's truly not a stealth game anymore if it hasn't been made obvious yet is R2C2

know a ton of people who despise that level

[fathom ice]

what was a giant kill

[spark wolf]

r2c2 was the first mission i got stuck on

[fathom ice]

shotgun?

[civic wave]

eh you had sniper :)

[fathom ice]

oh

it's aight

does it one shot?

[spark wolf]

the fog alarm before they lowered the class was kinda wild

[civic wave]

no.

[fathom ice]

oof

[spark wolf]

the r2 sniper xdddddd

[fathom ice]

yea it's jukt

u prolly just circle kite waves

and shoot bigs

[civic wave]

was shotgun sentry still busted with player count

can never remember if that was patched r2 or r3

[spark wolf]

patch in r3

[civic wave]

right right

so your giant kill was a shotgun sentry shooting the enemies to the back

[spark wolf]

one shot

yes

[civic wave]

so funny

and there was something around hybrids taking no bonus damage to the head wasn't there, so they took a very long time to kill

[spark wolf]

dont know about that

[civic wave]

I recall Ray saying something about it

and he's always right

[topaz anvil]

What if ray only ever spread misinfo?

[spark wolf]

the og r2e1 ladder shotgun sentry can still rival the ladderfoam

[civic wave]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[spark wolf]

and you get legsy bonus

[civic wave]

how was that in january i swear i saw it last week

maybe someone linked to an old post or something

[topaz anvil]

time flies when you are having fun

[safe cradle]

515's code solofetched in around 3 min (counting the blood door too)

I assume that's bad or terrible?

Thank God for Sawn off by the way

I'm also really abusing the res inside

I know there's way more than enough but still

Nearly 6min for last code (and I nearly fucked up) 🤣

[prime musk]

i think decent but safe codefetch times in cycles are
1/1/3/3/3/3

[safe cradle]

I also got lucky because the scouts didnt spawn together

[safe cradle]

so for 515 around 45*3=150sec=2:30

wait no I'm not counting the time-reset thingy so 3 min is safe?

last code was really stuck 1 good minute thinking what to do 😢

[spark wolf]

the r4e1 reactor waves are easier than other reactors

its ok if you take a while

[safe cradle]

Does waking a scout in last zone means moms wake up?

I had enemies very close to mother which was basically at the sec door but she didnt woke up when I shot to pull them from A to B

Time to do another run

this shit is fun when I dont give a fuck about fucking the run up for 3 people

I code fetched when I got my clear but we were 2-2

[civic wave]

it follows the same rules as regular scout waves/enemy wakes, so
scout will wake up enemies in the room it is in
scout wave will spawn when it has space to, 2 rooms away from any player
if the scout wave spawns in mom zone, moms may wake up if a player is standing 1 room away from mom zone (512, 514a) as enemies can scream when 1 room away

so it'll never wake moms unless something goes really wrong

[sick mauve]

and if something goes wrong blame it on desync

[civic wave]

if something goes wrong anywhere in that level my team is to blame because i have played that level so much that nothing can go wrong unless it's my teams fault

[safe cradle]

thanks, I was under the impression that as soon as they enter 514A and scream they'd wake up a mom if the mom was very close to them even if in another room

[civic wave]

rip that run yesterday, i lost 1v1 to tank after my team went 3 down in boss fight

almost clutched it

but it's not my fault, it's my team's fault for putting me in a situation where i needed to clutch

[errant dome]

iirc its specifically 2 rooms away from player closest to scout room, i remember tru mentioning that at some point

[azure narwhal]

how to dodge standard sleeper lick?

[errant dome]

unforch

[civic wave]

this is where the hanimoon micro guide comes in

[azure narwhal]

where do i find it

ive heard just walking diagonally away from them works but it doesnt

[civic wave]

https://youtu.be/yGkl8LQMLyQ?t=731

[azure narwhal]

thanksss

[civic wave]

and [[Enemy Attacks]] should also provide more information on attacks and how they function

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Enemy_Attacks

[azure narwhal]

thanks, you're the goat (hahaxDgetit)

[burnt inlet]

thats what im sayin

[civic wave]

condemned to torture

[burnt inlet]

💀

[tardy ingot]

This does not seem to be correct from my experience at least

[errant dome]

i think the context was that its specifically r4e1

[tardy ingot]

hmm

[errant dome]

that conversation was some time ago so i dont remember the full details

[civic wave]

@azure narwhal combination of too late and going diagonally backwards keeping you in the attack cone

if you kept to side strafing (not diagonal), majority of those attacks would not land

[azure narwhal]

okayy, does it make a difference how close i am to the enemy?

[void kestrel]

Nope

Unless you're trying to run through them

It's like getting out of a rip current

[minor fractal]

Only matters if you are in the sphere check around them, which is not particularly large.

You should basically only move sideways until you get used to it, because rn you're moving mostly backwards and not to the side almost at all.

Semi-circular movement is how you circle kite in general, you don't try to react to tongues if you know they're coming.

You just rotate in a semi-circle while shooting or reloading

If you need to react, use a dodge input unironically

It's your best access to burst movement if you're late to avoiding a tongue

[azure narwhal]

ohh thats a big thing i am doing wrong,, i was trying to react to it

[azure narwhal]

is that the little dash you do when sprinting sideways?

[civic wave]

refer to first section of hanimoon micro guide

[azure narwhal]

intro

👍🏾

[azure narwhal]

i often see people talk about stamina, isnt that just your pulse? but if its the pule how is it always mentioned in %, as the pulse is clearly not displayed as %

[burnt inlet]

I think 60~ is 100% (max) and 180 is 0%

[civic wave]

it's mentioned as a percentage because that's the proportion of it that a given action takes

but yes, it is your pulse

[topaz anvil]

you want a low pulse always :( unfortunately stuck enemies are real sometimes

[burnt inlet]

Average alarm tbh

[azure narwhal]

why is stamina explained that way? wouldnt it be way easier to picture if you just tell someone "this dash raises your pulse by x" instead of using % when you have to think for a second (except you know everything already anyways(but obviously it
wont be a problem anymore if you know the mechanics))

[azure narwhal]

yeyeye

[tardy ingot]

Because the pulse value you see is a range around your actual stamina

[ocean spindle]

i think the pulse has variables that would make it less clear, like once u have a certain % it can vary between two numbers [59 and 67 for example]
and u can say that or just say u have 100% stamina

[ocean spindle]

big hands

[burnt inlet]

Chat when’s the time that I should switch from #lfg-beginners to #lfg-western-europe ?

[ocean spindle]

when u feel like it

[burnt inlet]

Halnd is larg)e

[ocean spindle]

or post in both

[burnt inlet]

Fairs

[azure narwhal]

oooh okayy

[topaz anvil]

you should just come play modded

[burnt inlet]

I have done actually, PT (projekt thermonuclear) is fucking hard lol

[covert silo]

hello 🙂 what command i need to find powercells?

[ocean spindle]

when u approach a door that needs a cell it tells u, LIST CELL to find the cells in the level, and then the QUERY command to see where they are

[topaz anvil]

LIST CELL and QUERY CELL_XXX

[ocean spindle]

alternatively u can also LIST ZONE_X to check zones and where they are

[covert silo]

ok thx a lot!!!

[burnt inlet]

@covert silo if you do decide to use ”list zone_X” make sure to write ”list u e_X” as it gets rid of the clutter and is also quicker

[azure narwhal]

why the "u"? i think i get the "e_x"--> cuz list just checks for everything with that letter in it and my guess is that there arent any other variables with e_something,, but why the "u"? what does it stand for

[spark wolf]

there are some

like turbines and white keys

[upper ginkgo]

u is a filter that looks for resoUrces and secUrity items and Unknown

[azure narwhal]

trueeeee, so how does it work then

[azure narwhal]

ooooh

[spark wolf]

it doesnt

it can have false positives

[upper ginkgo]

oh it doesn't match by category

[spark wolf]

just be mindful of it

it wont be an issue most the time

just be able to recognize that if u typed e_24 and its key_white_247 that it might be wrong

[burnt inlet]

U is as said for resources, it filters the ”box_X” and ”door_Y” out

[spark wolf]

remember they had to change zone numbers in r5c1 cuz it was like 10 and the ones in sec were 10X so everytime u listed the main zone it also included everything in sec

modders make this mistake sometimes too

[burnt inlet]

What’s that one level where it also happens?

[spark wolf]

is there still one in current version?

[burnt inlet]

There’s another one, forgor the exact thingies for it but it’s in the game currently

[spark wolf]

[burnt inlet]

Yea

[spark wolf]

nice

oh

[burnt inlet]

Smth about void or starting with d

Can’t remember

[spark wolf]

isnt it like one of the special zones

[burnt inlet]

Yea

[spark wolf]

thats like named

[grizzled patrol]

I think its still the Case in R8D2

[spark wolf]

[covert silo]

yaaay r4b2 100% complete

ty again

[spark wolf]

[burnt inlet]

Was that the cluster gen level?

In overload

And like

Three terms in main

[low radish]

Overload is collect stuff

[grizzled patrol]

Just looked it Up, it is actually even more funny. Since one of the zones is literally called "Reservoir" you will Always list everything inside of it when you list res

[burnt inlet]

^ yea this

[covert silo]

taking 6 samples and 4 gernators and a secondary

[burnt inlet]

Uhhh oh yea that level

[covert silo]

with alarrm at the beginning

[burnt inlet]

Not fun level tbh

[covert silo]

ye was a bit harrd

[low radish]

Secondary is temrinal command

[grizzled patrol]

R5A3

[covert silo]

take out 2 alienmothers

[burnt inlet]

Yeee don’t like that level either lol

[grizzled patrol]

Its Not that bad

[low radish]

do you know which level is bad

R5D1

[covert silo]

when u know what to do yes

[burnt inlet]

R2D1

[grizzled patrol]

More fun when you do secondary before overload

[tardy ingot]

[burnt inlet]

Bru

[tardy ingot]

:p

[grizzled patrol]

R7B2. So boring and 90% of it is either in darkness or fog

[low radish]

That too

[grizzled patrol]

R

[burnt inlet]

R

[low radish]

R

[burnt inlet]

Ima need the avengers to carry during R2D2 unironically

[low radish]

You just need me trust

[burnt inlet]

What I don’t need is dymus

Like 5 times you’ve shot me

During one run

[low radish]

whew you mentioned my long lost cousin i'm glad you didn't say me

[burnt inlet]

And then you place hel sentry to look at us

So it shoots us

[low radish]

I'm with the sleepers

[low radish]

I'm trying to put us out of our misery

[shy tangle]

I would be down to play r2d2 (not atm though) . It was super fun learning it as duo the first time

[low radish]

Moth you are already finding people who want to play with you

[grizzled patrol]

[azure narwhal]

need me to help you? (still cant beat R1C1)

[burnt inlet]

yes plz

[burnt inlet]

w's

[low radish]

can i help? 🥺

[burnt inlet]

ill send a dm

[burnt inlet]

am playing mc rn

[azure narwhal]

wheres the gigachad emoji when you need it

[low radish]

Hey it wasn't a no Refills sniper sentry

time to get shot again

[burnt inlet]

😭

ur good with those sentries

at throwing that is

[low radish]

I will heroically jump in front of you next time

[burnt inlet]

and i delete ur HP with hel rifle

[azure narwhal]

if im usually running cream + mines and theres a level with barely any closeable doors (if any) i should probably switch mines for sentry, but should i still cream on the ground or also switch the launcher for a sentry?

[low radish]

sentry will do that instead duh

[burnt inlet]

switch launcher for sentry @azure narwhal

[low radish]

"cream" 😭

[burnt inlet]

and mines might be decent if blood doors

oh no soy is here

[sturdy dew]

cream? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[low radish]

"cream on the gound" 😭 hide before malefic comes

[burnt inlet]

i summon @grizzled patrol

[low radish]

NOOOO

[low radish]

Swap foam for sentry if there are no good doors to foam

[azure narwhal]

i love mines on blood doors,, but sometimes when the door opens my mine wont activate because it gets blocked from the door itself eventho before opening the whole laser was visible and i already tried to do it on the far outer side (no idea if far outer side makes grammatically sense)

[azure narwhal]

have a problem with creaming?

[burnt inlet]

the small "hole" thats a rectangle by the side, croutch and aim slightly down at the left or right side and youll see it, place it there

[burnt inlet]

i love to cream mommies

specially hot single moms in my area

[low radish]

do you see that tiny holes in the security doors on the frame, left and right. You can place your mine there

[azure narwhal]

i never saw holes,, tbf also never really inspected the door. def gonna note that and remember (ill forget) to do that next time

[burnt inlet]

its between door and wall

[low radish]

Remember the mine range is the lazer

the damage is around it

you can also shoot a mine to set it off

[burnt inlet]

actually?

[low radish]

Yeah

The lazer is liek the range of the mine

the further you are from the mine the less damage it does, or rather when you're at the tip of the lazer

[azure narwhal]

that i know, and also tried to do when that happened once, but i couldnt hit the mine (probably because i was stressing)

[low radish]

it's commonly used in speedrunning to die from something

[tardy ingot]

wdym "commonly"

[burnt inlet]

Eva has done it lol

[low radish]

I saw it once and only once so obviously it's common

[azure narwhal]

i always thought its just to see where it gets triggered and the explosion is just next to the mine with a range of the typical wide door. also,, how big is the mine damage falloff?

[low radish]

Good question I have no idea

[tardy ingot]

mine damage fall of starts late and ends very quickly after

theres a short range where it doesnt instakill a player but still does dmg and in that range it can do anywhere between like 1 and 99 dmg

[low radish]

Does it end where the lazer ends or further

[tardy ingot]

THIS is actually used in shooter death%

[low radish]

Yeah that's the only one I saw

other than the BBC one by Tgb

[burnt inlet]

insert BBC copypasta

[azure narwhal]

also regarding the second convo going on rn, why would speedrunners need an option to die? are there specifically speedruns to die as fast as possible? wouldnt that be hella boring? --> drop into level, place mine and explode,, it would already be optimized and theres no point right

[fallen kite]

You have no idea

[azure narwhal]

you are right

[burnt inlet]

its a category

%death

die as quickly as possible

(meme run)

[tardy ingot]

there are death speedruns for basically everything in the game
but death% is "death" specific. So blowing yourself up is only one of them

they still arent that interesting lol

there is also 2 speedruns using mines to die asap

[fallen kite]

Best category

[azure narwhal]

yeah but like i said, just drop into level place mine and shoot it? cant really express skill, no?

[azure narwhal]

aah

[burnt inlet]

nop

[low radish]

If you guys ever need to die asap just add me

[fallen kite]

Try it

[burnt inlet]

yea unironically

[fallen kite]

It’s exhilarating

[burnt inlet]

💀

[tardy ingot]

this isnt even the fastest way to die

[low radish]

See moth knows

[tardy ingot]

mine death% is the fastest way
but not you shooting it yourself

its possible to die in under 2 seconds solo, but the rng is insane

[azure narwhal]

oooh truee having mates do it is way quicker because theres no switch time for the weapons

[azure narwhal]

rng????? how does rng play a factor in placing a mine and shooting it?

[burnt inlet]

place mine under a sleeper

[tardy ingot]

no teammates

[fallen kite]

An enemy has to spawn close to enough to where you place themjne

[tardy ingot]

death% is solo

[fallen kite]

And you fie as well

Die

[tardy ingot]

yesnt

[burnt inlet]

kekw i love these typa runs

[tardy ingot]

the current done strat is placing a mine and a sleeper spawned in its path, but you need to move up for this

[burnt inlet]

best runs

[azure narwhal]

oooh never thought about that, but youd need one EXTREMELY close, suurely theres no way that theres a level that does this

[fallen kite]

The mine has to trigger

Is all

[burnt inlet]

apparently theres one

[fallen kite]

So the enemy has to be in the path of the laser

[azure narwhal]

oh riiight it has good range

[fallen kite]

Big range yes

[burnt inlet]

oh yea prolly turn around place it

[tardy ingot]

the potentially fastest death (sub 2 seconds) would have this happen

Drop into R3A2 or R2D1 on Hackett slot
hope a standing striker spawns in a specific spot at spawn EARLY ENOUGH
when you fall, spam left click with machine pistol shooting 1 bullet waking up the striker if lucky
place a mine on a specific spot on a box right next to you on the right height to hit the striker if it runs at you
die

i grinded this for like 3 hours, didnt get a single run in :^ )

[burnt inlet]

essay incomming take cover @low radish

smol essay

[tardy ingot]

the reason this has to happen is that no enemy spawns in range of a mine laser in any level
so the only way is to either move up (time loss) or do this setup

[fallen kite]

Death% lore is fucking crazy

[burnt inlet]

chat should i run this speedrun

[low radish]

?

[low radish]

Yes

[burnt inlet]

and try get WR

[burnt inlet]

u dont like readin

[fallen kite]

Is machine pistol a specific choice

Fastest draw time?

[low radish]

Wdym I read 3 books in 2 days last week

I still need more

[burnt inlet]

uh huh

[azure narwhal]

theres way more to the mine death speedrun than i thought

[burnt inlet]

yep lol

welcome to GTFO

its kinda like the %mask in GTA5, but i wont get too into that

[tardy ingot]

lowest equip time aside from revo
full auto so you just need to hold left click (this auto shoots when you drop on the floor)

[low radish]

I still need last book of series one, 2 from 4th and on from 5th. and more out of series

[burnt inlet]

uh huh

[fallen kite]

Could it theoretically be better to try and click the exact moment youre able to shoot w revo

[burnt inlet]

cuz you read

[low radish]

I do have money for them so that's good

[fallen kite]

Imagine the

0.002 second time save

[low radish]

Yeah I do, I love reading

[burnt inlet]

uh huh

[tardy ingot]

theoretically yes
but its a 0.05sec equip time diff and you would need to time your singular shot that well AND then also insta swap to mines

[fallen kite]

So youre saying we could optimise this run down to what

[tardy ingot]

and due to rng you gotta do this a few hundred times for a good chance

the biggest issue is legit the enemy spawning in TOO LATE

[fallen kite]

1.995

[tardy ingot]

because enemies dont spawn it all at the same time

[burnt inlet]

bruh

[tardy ingot]

no like, time is a bit unclear but its 100% below 2 seconds if done right

[fallen kite]

I was ttp

[fallen kite]

That sounds like a massive pain in the ass

[grizzled patrol]

Huh?

[fallen kite]

is that why when im running R4E1 and I sometimes get jumpscared by a hybrid

[tardy ingot]

yes

[civic wave]

breaking news: gimmick category that sucks to run sucks to run

[tardy ingot]

^

[civic wave]

i mean all of gtfo sucks to run but

[tardy ingot]

no

[fallen kite]

Thats not true

[tardy ingot]

I can agree on the gimmick category being a gimmick meme tho

[fallen kite]

Why did you do it for 3 hours

Who paid you

What bet did you lose

[burnt inlet]

read lol (cream)

[low radish]

You're the freaky one I am intrigued that you had no idea why you got pinged

[tardy ingot]

I was testing stuff

Ive grinded worse lol

I spent 11 hours on tutorial back in the first week after rundown 7 had dropped

[fallen kite]

LMFAO

[tardy ingot]

7 hours then 4 hours after sleeping

[fallen kite]

Speedrunners of these meme categories are masochists i believe

Actual like

Miner digging towards diamonds type shit

[grizzled patrol]

Yeah, i have already noticed that when He posted earlier

[burnt inlet]

bru

[ocean spindle]

and this is the gamer that needed an hour to complete it again years later smh smh

[civic wave]

i am the taxi driver

[umbral elbow]

I am kind of curious about the right way to actually use a hel shotty!

Also - what are thoughts on DTR vs Burst Rifle vs Carbine? (Once again, no spoilers please :) )

[glad sun]

Poor bat

[ocean spindle]

DTR is 'high risk high' reward, u need to reaally shoot well to make it shine but once u do is very very good on smalls, long rangey and oneshotty
burst rifle is about the middlee of carbine and DTR, needs precision to shine and its long range but also does not ask for theem as intensively as DTR
carbine is by far the most forgivin, lettin u bodyshot for its high rate of firee, range and high ammo capacity and mag, along with its instant reload

the right way to use the hel shotty is simply at groups of enemies, if u build up a ball of enemies the stagger of it keeps them there, the damage 2 3 shots them, the pen makes it so u damage multiple enemies and the big mag lets u do it for quite a bit

u can usee it on individuals as long as u do point blank, but thee best way to do use it is big groups of enemies

[spark wolf]

unfortunate that r2d1 doesnt start with spitters at the elevator anymore

[spark wolf]

carbine is goated at everything so pick carbine

[little pilot]

Carbine easily outplays both DTR and burst rifle, hel shotty fulfills a different role: stagger + waveclear if wave is stacked

[spark wolf]

swapping from shotgun to carbine when theres a giant because carbine is stronger at range

[ocean spindle]

swapping from scattergun to carbine wh-

[void kestrel]

I've preferred hel autopistol over hell shotty for the same role tbh

[spark wolf]

scattergun players when they realize their friends and family have left them (they scattered)

[burnt inlet]

isnt the carbine:

[little pilot]

hel autopistol has more range and is more straightforward to use, but hel shotty is far better when used correctly. (aka as close as possible and used into big waves)

[low radish]

I can't believe i went into this chat and this is the first thing I see

[low radish]

It haunts me

[ocean spindle]

hel autopiss doesnt rlly have the capacity of holding an entire wave as hel shotgun does

[void kestrel]

being close to big waves is not great in the first place

[ocean spindle]

or well, killing* an entire wave

[spark wolf]

the carbine was always good but they still kept buffing it anyway

[ocean spindle]

it rlly doesnt matter if u know what ur doing

[little pilot]

it is, if you have hel shotty the wave dissapears

[ocean spindle]

u could be head on sawed off scattergun and not take dmg if ur good

but u can be dmr sniper on a wave and get dmg by shooters if ur bad

[ocean spindle]

carbine is not an auto and it doesnt have the recoil of mg and also like um skill issue idk

[burnt inlet]

tbh i thought carbine was the mg mb

[spark wolf]

levels that are actually hard will force you in close range

stop playing reactor levels zzzzzz

[void kestrel]

I'm usually in situations where many enemies are lined up infront of me than clustered in front

[ocean spindle]

3 4 5shots of hel shottie fixes that

[tardy ingot]

it certainly does
you just dont kill it like hel shotty, but you hold it
It actually does this noticeably better than hel shotty

[little pilot]

general idea: hel shotty deletes large groups of enemies and staggers anything, hel pp is good since it has some more range and good stagger so far easier to use but u have to rely on ur team to actually kill enemies

[ocean spindle]

it staggers like batshit insane amounts

[ocean spindle]

t thats why i next thing i said killing* :[

[void kestrel]

I position myself to make sure enemies feed into lines for my hel weapons

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie is, in fact, a hel weapon

[spark wolf]

i really wish we had team scans that are split

[void kestrel]

not as good for lines though

[ocean spindle]

if u try to translate ur hel revo gameplay to hel shotgun gameplay thats not gonna work out if thats what u mean

same as if u try playing sawed off as carbine

[spark wolf]

so this baby mode line up didnt exist for nearly the entire game

s scan and normal team scan isnt enough cuz the whole team together is way too powerful for any threats other than boss spam

splitting up team and forcing them into the rng scan spots would make shooting so much more interesting

[ocean spindle]

so in conclusion: duo scans when

cuz idk how a one person team scan would work

[spark wolf]

those duo scans are nice yeh

[ocean spindle]

and a 3 people team scan seems, funky

[spark wolf]

there is some modded where its 2 duos

that are connected

like both duos need to stand in their scan to have progress

buth 2 ppl together is already rly strong again

[umbral elbow]

Ah so DTR becomes very efficient if you can actually hit things consistently and quickly?

[void kestrel]

if

[ocean spindle]

yes if

it need a headshot + bodyshot for strikers and

2 headshots for shooters

[umbral elbow]

Also I can't read this - what does it say?

[umbral elbow]

Ah def sounds very challenging

[ocean spindle]

basically mg bad

[umbral elbow]

Why mg bad

Mg go dakka dakka? :(

[hearty bough]

how does one stop bullets from clipping thru enmies

[spark wolf]

what do you mean with this

[burnt inlet]

stop run hel stuff?

[ocean spindle]

yes but uh long explanations of recoil go makee u miss and auto go make u not be good for big enemies and etc etc etc

lemme search the img

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the funny

[void kestrel]

my thing with hel shotgun is that it can get you out of a bad situation but it can't stop you from getting into one in the first place

[spark wolf]

if you get into it intentionally it isnt rly a bad situation

[void kestrel]

it's inherently more risky

[spark wolf]

unfortunately yes

[little pilot]

nah, this is just about what ur limits are as a player: if u know u can survive a wave of 25 enemies with hel shotty, then there is no issue forcing urself to fight them

Especially if it allows ur team to do something else

[void kestrel]

I guess

[little pilot]

aka the difference can be huge if u just have 1 single player dedicated to wave clear while everyone else does other stuff (boss kill, giant kill, range etc)

[umbral elbow]

Tyty

[void kestrel]

I suppose it's mission specific

[little pilot]

on the other hand with hel autopistol, u are only a stagger player, u cant kill the whole wave by yourself

so you need another player on the team to be dedicated to wave clear

[spark wolf]

except for when things went wrong already

team down in stupid spots gl with ur hel gun rifle

vs just using hel shoty to get the res

[umbral elbow]

The sniper is sustained dps???

[void kestrel]

I mean depending on what the horde looks like, you just position yourself for a lineup and you're okay

[spark wolf]

XD

so true

oh no! a corner...

[umbral elbow]

What is "dedicated wave clear" usually, equipment wise?

[void kestrel]

hel gun can clear 20 smalls pretty decently

[little pilot]

mains: hel shotty, sawed off with certain secondary guns

secondary: hel gun, hel rifle, combat shotgun

sawed off is mental waveclear with hel rifle

all fill different roles and have certain niches

so mixing and matching depending on enemy types and level is required

for example: r8c2 waveclear: sawed off hel rifle, r4e1 waveclear: hel revo, hel gun

[void kestrel]

you usually do r4e1 as a pair no?

[umbral elbow]

Mental waveclear?

[ocean spindle]

im guessin if hybrids idk

if big enemy

i didnt write it thats just my guess SKDMKSM

[umbral elbow]

I mean it's pretty satisfying to pop bigs with it

[little pilot]

*insane wavclear

[umbral elbow]

Ahh ok

[spark wolf]

why didnt they just revert the ammo per refill

instead of 2 mag

[little pilot]

still obv not the best pick in some situations, but it is generally one of the best and most generic waveclear options

[spark wolf]

wrong nerf fr

giving ppl more reason to use the weapons where you dont aim

[void kestrel]

revolver secondary for waveclear lol

[ocean spindle]

if aimbot

or 50% dmg booster

[void kestrel]

it's actually really easy to use tbh

[ocean spindle]

yes but any miss is quite punishing

and with bigs is like

only good if u rush the back

[void kestrel]

yea it's not great for bigs

but also

they're a pretty easy magdump

when you take revolver you're focusing on smalls so it's not necessarily bad

and double revolver is just fun

[umbral elbow]

Did the 2 mag make it very hard to use well?
And did it for some reason get far more per refill?

2 def does feel like a strangely small magazine wwww

Also - to a new player, if I want to clear hordes, any advice?

[safe cradle]

depends on the enemies

and on how good you are at aiming

HEL Rev+HEL Gun I've seen people decimate waves of strikers with but they aim good

I usually do okay with sawn-off+Combat Shotty

[umbral elbow]

Is there a general idea of good ways to go about fighting them?

[safe cradle]

especially if I get locked in and manage to onetap strikers (doable with CS if you hit head+no pellets miss from what I know)

[umbral elbow]

Tactics and whatnot?

[void kestrel]

learn funneling

[safe cradle]

I usually wait at a chokepoint and shoot

[void kestrel]

having your team stack up in the same place greatly increases your chances of survival

[safe cradle]

Like, holding R2D1's second alarm with HEL Shotty+CS by standing close to the door is very doable and even easy if you get a single sentry to help you

[umbral elbow]

Yeah the people I play with are probably better than I and I want to learn to pull more weight, ehe

[safe cradle]

I assume someone better than me doesn't even require a sentry

plenty of alarms in the game you can solohold

[umbral elbow]

I imagine just practice on r1a1 or r1b1 until I can solo them or something?

[safe cradle]

R1A1's second alarm is somewhat tougher than you'd expect but sure

[umbral elbow]

Yeah I've tried it and gotten past the first but the second is very tricky www

[safe cradle]

Soloing (no bots) will give you a good idea

of where you are in general

[umbral elbow]

Yep, that's what I've tried a bit www

I'm just not very good at it!

[void kestrel]

soloing is a whole different beast

if you're not great at soloing it doesn't mean you're not good in a team

[umbral elbow]

Yes but I'm not exactly phenomenal at either, ehe

[glad sun]

R1b1 is an easier solo than r1a1

Too small

[dreamy swallow]

hello, is R2D1 bugged or supposed to be complete mega hell?
my friends and i put the 3rd cell in and the fog just rose to the ceiling instead of lowering
this close to ending it all

[spark wolf]

the sniper was in a good spot where it had 3mag and decent ammo
but then in R6 they buffed it to double the amount of ammo per refill
then later on realised its way too op and nerfed it by undoing the ammo buff but also nerfing the mag to 2
which brings us back to a bad sniper especially considering the addition of other weapons with similar roles

my carbine can kill waves of giants faster, get real
that long reload low ammo count is not worth it when you only get 2 shots, even if you hit both of them
not to mention the times where you do not hit both..

[frail heart]

sounds like an internet issue

[tardy ingot]

did someone lag out/host migrate/similar?

[frail heart]

i've had it once

[tardy ingot]

mag nerf to 2 happened with an ammo buff in R8 wesley

[dreamy swallow]

oh one of my friends game crashed and he rejoined

[spark wolf]

???

[dreamy swallow]

thats about it

[tardy ingot]

before R8 it got 3.91 per refill

[spark wolf]

ok then the ammo nerf happened earlier i guess

[tardy ingot]

now its at 5.1

ammo nerf was og r7

to 3.6

yea

[spark wolf]

ok

[tardy ingot]

this was the case for like 5 alt rundowns or so

then R8 nerfed:

shot delay
recoil
hipfire
reload cancel speed
mag size

and buffed ammo

[spark wolf]

doodooù

[umbral elbow]

Too small?

[glad sun]

r1a1

the rooms are small

[umbral elbow]

Ah they double nerfed it, I see 😔

[umbral elbow]

Ah ok - they certainly are teensy

[umbral elbow]

Ah I see I see

It's a shame because it def seems like a weapon that is at least somewhat rewarding of skill?

[frigid obsidian]

I like the sniper a lot, but remember how it was in rundown 5. I liked it a lot more then.
I'm not sure if there's anything better for hybrids without getting super close though.

[prime musk]

even curret heavily nerfed sniper is best gun into hybrids

[frigid obsidian]

I know that's a sliiight spoiler but c'mon, people don't know the names of these enemies without heading to the wiki. Everyone else just thinks I'm traumatized by a Prius.

[spark wolf]

if theres not more than 2

[rocky torrent]

how does DMR do into hybrids?

[digital mural]

Painful

[rocky torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[spark wolf]

and if theres only 2 why not just use any other weapon

the attack gets interrupted from first hit

[frigid obsidian]

Yeaaah, that's what my experimenting so far has led me to too. They're such a pain to keep the crosshair on, too jittery. I don't see anything that can't drop them in a couple shots doing it very consistently, but, maybe that's just skill issue

[spark wolf]

if u have one player with eyes hybrids cant do anything

[frigid obsidian]

where do I get eyes please and thank you

So, basically, if they go to charge a shot you can just pop 'em with anything and they get interrupted?

Or do you need to hit a stagger amount?

[spark wolf]

anything

[umbral elbow]

Hybrids def are spooky!

[frigid obsidian]

Shoot, well. I wish I knew that sooner

[umbral elbow]

And 1 tapping them feels very cool!

[spark wolf]

but as client it will take whatever latency u have before it really happens

so having good host helps a lot with hybrids

[umbral elbow]

I hear pdw pairs decently with sniper for seeing bigs in dark/fog?

[spark wolf]

having good host helps a lot in general

[frigid obsidian]

A thermal scope is really, really nice. It'd make sense that you could line up a shot then switch weapons.

[umbral elbow]

Yeye it seems like a nifty combo!

[rocky torrent]

explains why its so hard to hit the fuckers when the host is on the other side of the planet 😂

[spark wolf]

if you're gonna kill sleeping than nearly all other weapons are better because you have easy access to back damage

yeh with high latency the hybrids will just keep shooting at you

[umbral elbow]

Also - any advice for:
Hitting the one two on DTR?
Using knife well on awake enemies?
Actually getting them to clump up or conga?

I wanna sip up knowledge like a sponge!

[spark wolf]

with knife it can be really nice to use the fact that the hitbox lasts for a while

so that instead of aiming directly for the head and possible hitting something below the head

aim above the head, release, drag into the head

[rocky torrent]

that pops the head and hits the torso in the same swing?

[spark wolf]

no it will hit the first thing it makes contact with

which is much more likely to be the head this way

[rocky torrent]

ah right

makes sense

does that work with spear as well or is the hitbox too quick

[spark wolf]

all melee weapons

[umbral elbow]

Oh that's a really good idea! A big problem I've been having is hitting the wrong bit

[spark wolf]

and if you get really comfortable with it then you can just release very early in general to get quicker kills

running up to one of them and releasing before you're in range makes sure you will hit as soon as it does get in range

[umbral elbow]

Yeah when knife goes right it feels fantastic !

Ooh good idea

[spark wolf]

and remember that knife back damage + stealth damage means you dont need head for oneshot

for sleeping enemy you can do body hit if you are behind

sometimes ppl trying hard to get the head hit on like a crawling sleeper thats turned away

u can just hit the body

but u can also sprint wake it so it faces you and then hit the head

if theres not many other stuff nearby

[umbral elbow]

Wwwww there's so much nuance to this!!

[rocky torrent]

couldnt u just stand up and force it to pulse?