gtfo-related-questions

[tiny wyvern]

Or does she wake up rooms too much?

[tribal ember]

Yes

[hard nexus]

but we dont know how badly things are so we can say expect up to 5k hrs learning i guess....

[tiny wyvern]

Has she done the tutorial before?

Or rather, has she completed it?

[tribal ember]

Yes

[little pilot]

u are overestimating the lowest bracket of gamers

[hard nexus]

i do

but like

[hardy grotto]

@tribal ember once I’m at my pc I’ll dm you a list of mods that’ll probably help

[hard nexus]

will lowest bracker of gamers even reach 5k

at that point they will just not launch game anymore, no?

[tribal ember]

The game gives not many chances to get used to it, to understand it for my wife.

[tribal ember]

Thank you!

[hard nexus]

at like halfway thru triple digits, or maaaaybe pushing 4digit

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah I thought so
This game doesn't teach well

It's much better for other's to coach and introduce the ideas the game puts up

Or in other words, guides might actually help you a lot more than you think

Combine that with some mods here and there

And you should be good

[tribal ember]

I understand that but it's better to play and have a chance to fail than reading guides. It's not the way to be interesting for a game.

[tiny wyvern]

If she doesn't understand how stealth works in this game she'll never be able to improve

This game teaches you nothing about that
And learning from failure will only make misconceptions bite you hard

[hard nexus]

i mean fucking up stealth is bad for like what

r6d3

thats it?

[tiny wyvern]

She's having trouble in A levels

[wet bear]

If you suck at shooting and don't use terminal to find resources it's bad for all levels

[tiny wyvern]

either she's got really bad connection that makes enemies essentially instant wake
or she's just reacting too slow or misjudging the situation

[hard nexus]

well he can be terminal guy she doesnt have to unless dual uplink or shes closest to reactor at 10 seconds left

but like there is two other people right?

[wet bear]

or GTFO moment

[hard nexus]

we can trust in pubs?

[tribal ember]

That's explained in the tutorial and she passed it. I mean we cannot always understand what difficulties a person has during learning. I just want to provide my wife ability to try cheaper.

[tiny wyvern]

Are you sure?
Have you done enough of this game for you to say for certain you know how it works?

[tribal ember]

No

[hard nexus]

if you suck at shooting aim down sights

[tiny wyvern]

The more I think about this, how much of this game having you gone through
Like I understand trying to help your wife
but you can't teach her or help her if you don't know what's causing her to fail

[hard nexus]

if you suck at melee i think u need to try focusing on melee crosshair see how it behaves and stuff

[tiny wyvern]

You can learn together, and you can tweak your own stats while you're at it

[hard nexus]

learn together or die together

[tiny wyvern]

^ Yep

The suffering is part of the failing, by suffering and failing less you're just learning for longer around here
If you're struggling with R1A1 go to another rundown's A1 and try there, R1A1 isn't the easiest level in the game

[hardy grotto]

sent u the list

[tiny wyvern]

R3A1 and R6A1 both require less knowledge and skill to get through

[hard nexus]

so many folks just rage(quit) when every attempt is basically a learning experience of what the level entails and what went wrong

[tribal ember]

We passed that way in many games. If she fails and can't solve it I help her. For example, after month of playing L4D2 I found that she wasn't using A and D keys. I found it because we made difficulty level higher but she learned a lot things herself. That's the fun from games.

[tribal ember]

Don't worry we're going to learn and die and suffer but when there is too much sufferings at start some people just loose fun and go away.

[tiny wyvern]

Then do what you think is best
But if you still die after you tune it back to base stats
You're probably still doing something wrong

[hard nexus]

its a question of are you into such amount of suffering or not

[tiny wyvern]

Yea manbaron's right

[hard nexus]

just reflect and what went wrong, its normal to fail same mission like 5 times but if u assess ahh ok lets try this instead and stuff u will make it

i was there when we wiped like idk 100 times on r7c3 release and we spent 7 hrs in front of computer to do it

if u dont have that resolve as new player or entering a new difficult level then prob look up mods that peeps suggested

[tiny wyvern]

hey calle

[frail heart]

CALLE?

[tiny wyvern]

Eventually if you have questions on how this game works, or why some strats or ways you play get you killed

You can come back and ask us

That's what this channel is for anyways

Hope you'll get the fun out of this game as best you could

[hard nexus]

worst case scenario press matchmake

[tiny wyvern]

or lfg here

Playing with folks that know what they're doing

And are willing to teach

[tribal ember]

Thank you!

[tiny wyvern]

Usually makes things a lot smoother

Alright that's over with

[hard nexus]

now what

may i suggest hel shotgun discussion

[tiny wyvern]

Haven't had that much stamina for a chat like that for quite a while...
Still no tech support stuff

[hardy grotto]

wow your life must be so hard

[tiny wyvern]

nah you get used to it

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah why not
Hel shotgun gud

[tiny wyvern]

oh right are you russian?

[tribal ember]

Yes

[tiny wyvern]

If you need other people that speak the same language, we have a russian server somewhere

Give me a minute, I'll pull that up

[tribal ember]

I don't need

[tiny wyvern]

ok

[wet bear]

That's right, and better not watch russian tutorials, they are BRUH

[tiny wyvern]

lol

[hard nexus]

oh look a comrade

[hard nexus]

хел дробовик плохо

[tiny wyvern]

XXXXD

[grizzled patrol]

Снайпа имба

[hard nexus]

биотрекер не нужен с ним слишком скучно хули ты как спидраннер

[grizzled patrol]

Зачем мины когда есть скаттерган?

[minor fractal]

I'd recommend "duo mode," which is a crude 50% difficulty scaling. Plays fairly well, imo.

[hard nexus]

do you deem grasping the bruh momentum for peak gtfo gameplay not feasible for newcomers?

[minor fractal]

Unofficial Modding in highlighted communities has modding instructions, you can just search the name in R2modman.

[hard nexus]

алё какой скаттерган, снайпа имба же

[grizzled patrol]

Так с модами то, снайпа в первый слот а скаттер в вторичный

[hard nexus]

так снайпа в первом уже есть

slug shotgun

[grizzled patrol]

И вправду. Лучшая пушка сразу за снайпой

[hard nexus]

зачем скаттер если есть кувалда

[grizzled patrol]

Зачем кувалда когда есть копьё

Дохуя Сильвер по голове не попасть?

[hard nexus]

а зачем копье

[fierce walrus]

why are you all speaking enchanting table language

stop that

[frail heart]

Erm, refer to rule 3. 🤓 ☝️

[hoary mason]

you can still fishy react his msg, cause he says that sniper is better than scatter

[fierce walrus]

what

[frail heart]

[hard nexus]

and you cant into context

i dont fish react you

[fierce walrus]

wait wait wait wait

[hard nexus]

right

[fierce walrus]

in what context is sniper better than scatter

like actually

[hard nexus]

^

but he explained himself

[fierce walrus]

thats enchanting table language

[hard nexus]

ye then why are u reacting even

[hoary mason]

practically none cause you realistically can't even use the only sniper advantage - range.
Only levels where it seems feasable is r6d1 and r8e2 for kraken figts

[hard nexus]

we were joking around and u took it seriously

[frail heart]

no

[tiny wyvern]

what's he doing here

the damn drunkard

[fierce walrus]

Nah clearly what you did was a bannable offense, off to the shadow realm with you

[hard nexus]

sure

hel shotgun bad

[fierce walrus]

boring

[hard nexus]

write this on my tombstone

[fierce walrus]

be creative

[hoary mason]

Controversial point:
The weapon is as bad as it's user

[fierce walrus]

like „assault rifle is best auto”

[hard nexus]

obviously

it takes one to know one

so hel shotgun bad

[frail heart]

😴

[past mesa]

There is a few pre built mods that could help

[fierce walrus]

tbf thats just double tap in a nutshell

[past mesa]

If you haven’t already found them

[past mesa]

A mod that adds less enemies, or more checkpoints or stronger gun or perfect boosters all are very good tools for this

If you going be playing at the same time

The better weapons and the perfect boosters are probs the least intrusive on the game for you

[soft crater]

R8E2 Kraken isn't even as far as R6D1 Kraken tho

[frail heart]

sniper is just good against kraken

you can one mag tumors on r8e2 with 4 snipers lol

[safe cradle]

There's a mod that's called something like GTFO duomode or whatever that tweaks the number of enemies and other things to half it IIRC

And if I recall correctly there's also a version called solomode or whatnot

That does that but to 1/4

Or you could get betterbots aimbot edition but then it really starts becoming just a walk in the park

It basically makes it so that the bots cheat even more than they already do

[sage pulsar]

is there any way to get into mega kite strats without the learning curve of a cliff

such as doing the first r2e1 surge by kiting back and forth to do the scans (I'll link if yall ask)

[silent delta]

just take paths the sleepers cant take. mountain goating off the cliff is one way, but if you just jump up and down the zigzaggy pathways, for example, you'll get some distance

also mountain goat path isnt that hard, just look into the cliff and mash spacebar

[ocean spindle]

i mean there's a difference between kiting

and just being in a cheese spot

cause u cannot rlly come back to scans unless u take fall dmg probably

[silent delta]

oh the cheese spot?

[sage pulsar]

ill just link it https://youtu.be/IPx234tLKVk?

man uses no cheese spots

[silent delta]

thats different

[ocean spindle]

yeah that's what i mean ur kinda describing that

[silent delta]

idk just get good at taking shortcuts the sleepers cant

[silent delta]

wasnt what i was referring to

on the other side of the room where you can skyrim horse across the cliff to that raised platform in the center

[sage pulsar]

he stalls a few of them by strafing in place

[silent delta]

yeah that works too

knowing how licks work is helpful

[ocean spindle]

it's just yeah knowing the path, evading dmg and knowing enemy patterns

and managing stamina a lot

[sage pulsar]

hard to learn when he has mega FOV

[ocean spindle]

weird i would think the fov would like be better for learning

cause u can see more-

if u don't have ur fov up u should

specially if ur gonna employ these kinds of strats

vision is important

[silent delta]

if i turn my fov too high i walk into sleepers like an idiot

[sage pulsar]

imo takes away the "oh shit it's beside me"

[silent delta]

dodging bad 💯

[ocean spindle]

so true

[silent delta]

to a degree ye

[ocean spindle]

idk i think that's- it conflicts with wanting to pull of gamer strats then

[silent delta]

balance of optimization vs atmosphere

[ocean spindle]

i don't have my fov up a ton just like 70 but i never employ kiting or stuff

mostly cause i don't want to

[sage pulsar]

I'd still want to dodge if I know the striker is there tho

[ocean spindle]

dodging is one thing and avoiding attacks is another

dodging with shift and A or D is always terrible

it hinders ur stamina so much u just won't be able to kite if u do it like twice

[sage pulsar]

yeah not that

[ocean spindle]

avoiding attacks it's perfectly fine

specially cause u can just walk

[silent delta]

their one weakness: pressing a

[digital mural]

[mossy dome]

hanimoon on yt has a decent tutorial to get into it

[digital mural]

Just run in circles

Ez

[hazy wedge]

Hanimoon mentioned 😱

Now that’s crazy

[sage pulsar]

which one, the one from 7 months ago or last week

[mossy dome]

7 months ago

[silent delta]

crazy?

[mossy dome]

the new one is on other stuff (still cool tho)

you can skip to the section about kiting

[frail heart]

FROSTY GOOBER PING MENTIONED

[raven sluice]

high cal pistol can one shot reg scouts right?

[silent delta]

head or back

yes

[tiny wyvern]

too far and you miss it tho

Like the other side of the room far

[raven sluice]

so just get in alittle close and blast it?

[tiny wyvern]

More like there's a range that it doesn't but you realistically shouldn't encounter it

It's just fyi

Headshots should just kill

[raven sluice]

cool thanks yall

[silent delta]

if you're worried about killing scouts, hel rifle is pretty similar to high cal, does the same damage, and doesn't have the range problem

[lone mortar]

Time to blast heads

[grizzled patrol]

Just start speaking french and face Stab it with your knife

[livid stone]

High cal best special no diff

[soft crater]

Highcal has higher range falloff than Helrifle-

[native sun]

no

[soft crater]

I meant this as in it's dmg falls off sooner

Probably could've worded it better

[native sun]

yes

[tiny wyvern]

what's the max range for one shot scout on high cal again

[soft crater]

8m

[native sun]

29.2 for head, 25.2 for back, 47.1 for occi

[soft crater]

Wait nvm

For a scout

8m is max for 30 dmg-

[halcyon current]

I double killed 2 scouts that were right next to eachother yesterday with melee, pretty happy with myself

[soft crater]

Double hit or just back to back melees?

[halcyon current]

Back to back melee hits, regrettably.

I don't think I could've doubled

They were literally shoulder to shoulder

[livid stone]

Hmm.. i double killed 2 scouts in 2 different levels

[soft crater]

Melee or gun wasn't stated so that leaves me to believe you killed them kamikaze style with a quick mine placement at the feet

[halcyon current]

Me placing a mine down in the team scan to let them know I will do it even tho we've been in this level for 57 minutes

[digital mural]

@fierce walrus

:)

[finite oracle]

how much damage boosters does it take for the dmr to 1shot strikers?

and maybe the 8round pistol aswell

[tiny wyvern]

high cal doesn't need boosters

it one shots to head, occi and back

[finite oracle]

its not the high cal one its the main one

[tiny wyvern]

the revolver?

hel rev

[finite oracle]

yes

[halcyon current]

Literally 1 percent

[finite oracle]

so just any main damage booster?

[halcyon current]

Yes

Leaves em with .3 HP or something

[finite oracle]

ok

[tiny wyvern]

you sure?

[halcyon current]

Entirely

[tiny wyvern]

Ok I'm not going to try and calculate it then

Doesn't look like it's a one percent dif tho

[halcyon current]

It leaves em 1 tap from the hel pp

Iirc literally any main damage booster causes it to one shot strikers to the head

[tiny wyvern]

dmr does 6.5337 prec
hel rev does 5.93813 prec
Are you assuming he hits occi?

[halcyon current]

I'm speaking strictly for dmr here

[tiny wyvern]

scout has 42 hp

occi is x6

[halcyon current]

Is this not a question about strikers?

[tiny wyvern]

oh shit

my bad

Most of the time it's about scouts

my mind is faqed

[halcyon current]

You're good

[ocean spindle]

just kill scouts with a machinegun smh

[indigo lion]

your thoughts on 2 foam launchers on r4d2?

like 2 foam mines tracker

we ran 1 burst but wiped on last alarm

feels like turret isn't very efficient against chargers

[tiny wyvern]

main only, or pe?

Kind of need this context

[indigo lion]

secondary

we definetely can't afford overload before main

unless we can leave cargo lying at start, beat main and then get back

[indigo lion]

so we decided no overload for now

[low radish]

I would usually go one foam, mines and sentry

and bio ofc

[past mesa]

Just don’t pick up the cargo?

[low radish]

Yeah, you need to get back for it at the end

just don't open the doors to extraction, go back, get the cargo and extract

(because when you open the extraction door, the charger alarm starts from what i remember)

[tiny wyvern]

yep

but if you don't plan around overload

2 cfoam will kill you even worse

[low radish]

I never took 2 cfoam

[tiny wyvern]

sry pinged wrong guy

[low radish]

So I got no idea how it works

[tiny wyvern]

the jewish guy wanted two cfoam

Oh shadows are going to be fun
considering that you knkow

[low radish]

I would say personally that sentry is way better

[tiny wyvern]

I'd agree

[low radish]

It's fine

[low radish]

Hear me out, c-foam can't so anything against chargers other than stall, if you bring mines yeah you can permafoam and then make them boom.

Sentry can actually at least weaken them, stagger sometimes. that at least little bit of firepower is better

[past mesa]

All two does is give you 3 extra foam uses ideally you don’t use much sentry either

[indigo lion]

Alrams 6-7 are done with permafoam

[past mesa]

I think it is why double bio became popular

In the old days

[indigo lion]

And then foam/mine doors for last

And shoot

[past mesa]

Correct

How does two foam help you there

[indigo lion]

I just cant find a good place for sentry

[low radish]

there's pletny

[indigo lion]

I fell that its only draining our tool

[past mesa]

Also you can spawn block and perma pen wave 7

[indigo lion]

That can go to foam

[past mesa]

Yup

[low radish]

I mean sentry is free firepower tha drains something else than ammo packs

[past mesa]

but then the choice is two bio or two foam unless you need the 67% starting

Bio is probs stronger

[past mesa]

Na sentry is kinda useless in the level

[low radish]

I don't need bio, i have eyes

/hj

[low radish]

I wouldn't do it without it honestly, it can do a really good job

it doesn't even need to kill, it can wound them

[past mesa]

Ur right mb we should use sentry into mono charger

[low radish]

there is one alarm with only one door, it's a great funnel there for sentry since you are far from that spot

[little pilot]

sentry is good imo because second foam launcher is useless unless u really need that 67% foam

[low radish]

I had a 50% tool ammo booster for R4D2 lol

[past mesa]

Yeah but you still don’t use it for anything

What alarm do you go we need sentry here tgb

Maybe class 8?

[little pilot]

the second&third alarm it can be used

[low radish]

I used it for all of them tbh

[little pilot]

the higher class alarms are meh since u shoot/foam anyway

[civic wave]

yeah you can use some sentry in the first alarms in place of foam

[past mesa]

2nd and 3rd aren’t the issues?

[low radish]

at least majority, to save the ammo

[civic wave]

and then for the final alarm but like

it's still sorta weird

[little pilot]

you save ammo so more chill end

but again, minimal difference

[past mesa]

You kill the 1 2 3 alarms in like one wave?

[low radish]

I took sentry for the later ones to be just a little bit quicker, i mean secondary exists

adn there is overload to do and extraction

[little pilot]

1 and 2 u fight 1 wave if u get lucky scans

3 u fight another wave

with best rng

with worse rng u can fight 4 waves

[past mesa]

Or you do some wave manipulation

And you get it every time

[little pilot]

i am not running around scans or taking free damage for no reason

[low radish]

then my rng loves me

[past mesa]

You don’t take damage you kill and funnel and close and it is free idk

[low radish]

I mean this is not R2E1, no need to run around you can just defend, the faster you do the scans the better

[little pilot]

what

[past mesa]

you just kill slow tgb

[little pilot]

yea

[past mesa]

you do everything normal but just kill slow

[little pilot]

and u get a scan that splits from up top of stairs into down below twice

[past mesa]

close door spend 15% foam

Surely it is less than anything else?

[tardy ingot]

Sentry helps newer players a lot in dealing with the early alarms where they wont foam

just dont refill it

[low radish]

Am i the only one who did R4D2 like an alien way

[tardy ingot]

LOL

[past mesa]

I agree

Don’t refill it

[little pilot]

15% foam and 1 mine vs just 30-40% on a sentry tho?

[past mesa]

it is way better

[tardy ingot]

take a burst to deal with the striker alarms + shooting
Foam what you dont wanna shoot

[past mesa]

On the foam 100% because that is bad rng tgb

You use the res with foam on bad var else you never use it

[low radish]

I wonder, is using foam that way actually viable and good not in only R4D2? Or is it like dependant

[past mesa]

na it isn’t

You can just shoot the waves

[low radish]

i mean, usually yeah but there's always alternate options

[past mesa]

Like class 7 you just shoot it class 8 is nasty and kinda variance dependent sometimes

With shooting

Class 6 is just two waves everytime

[low radish]

on class 8 i would just use the sentry tbh

that bit of help

[little pilot]

honestly for class 8 i would recommend keeping tool

especially since class 6 and 7 are basically free

[past mesa]

Yeah save tool on 7 then perma foam 8

[low radish]

I had a 50% more tool ammo booster for foam, so i had a plenty of it, we also had efficency

[little pilot]

6 is bit hard to shoot so foaming it is kinda worth

[past mesa]

okay

[low radish]

so we did it with sentry help

on the worse ones

[tardy ingot]

Jish, gotta remember

Are they using weapons that kill

Or mgs/short rifle/pr

[low radish]

...I am not letting my shelling nano go

[civic wave]

not the microgun

[low radish]

I love it

[tardy ingot]

congrats
You are helping the enemies

[low radish]

I just like playing with bad weapons tbh

Dunno why but i kind of really like that shitty pistol

[tardy ingot]

but ye
If they have hel rifle obviously shooting class 5 and 7 is pretty chill

[low radish]

my friend always takes it

or the precision rifle

[tardy ingot]

but if they dont and arent as experienced they might run into ammo issues so having a sentry help through early alarms isnt bad

Just dont refill it

[little pilot]

4 shotgun sentries, 4 sawed off 4 normal shotguns is the best loadout anyway

[past mesa]

I think if you have provisions it doesn’t matter what you take

[low radish]

the what loadout

[tardy ingot]

4 slug 4 snipers 4 bios 4 spear

will be rough ngl

:^ )

[past mesa]

okay

[tardy ingot]

slug carry

[little pilot]

ngl

[past mesa]

Just do the overload

[low radish]

take 4 shelling nanos, trust me

[past mesa]

And kite

Right

Surely that is the play

[little pilot]

nah i think that is still shootable

just think about it

u got the ammo

[tardy ingot]

Kiting forbidden

[little pilot]

it's just whether or not u can shoot the chargers in time

[tardy ingot]

its such a boring copout

[low radish]

I love running around, my favourite hobby

[past mesa]

yeah you can kill the waves with the loadout

It is not nice tho

Snipers killing 8 is pretty

Good

[tardy ingot]

killing waves shouldnt be too hard til ammo is suddenly poof

[little pilot]

105% supply eff goes hard to

tho*

[past mesa]

You have full proficiency

[low radish]

I was thinking, are there any expeditions where the shotgun sentry is like at home or really good

[tardy ingot]

A bit less than 9 kills/refill in total

[low radish]

i never saw anyone play it that much

[little pilot]

no

dogshit

everywhere

absolute

piece

[past mesa]

Not really it doesn’t shoot at the enemies

[tardy ingot]

so you get about 15 kills/refill total with full profficiency?

[little pilot]

of garbage

[past mesa]

very good

[low radish]

Yeah i heard of it's bad sides

[tardy ingot]

thats 1 wave per ammo roughly

[little pilot]

should get double ammo to be even remotely worth it

[low radish]

is it really THAT ba-

oh

[tardy ingot]

Whats the amount of ammo uses vs waves?

[little pilot]

wait eva, shotgun sentry with 110 bullets would even be decent?

[tardy ingot]

?

[low radish]

give it 1 k bullets

[past mesa]

I think shotgun sentry should shoot faster

[little pilot]

if u double the ammo it gets per tool refill. So instead of 56 max bullets at 100% it goes to 110

[tardy ingot]

Its ammo isnt the real issue

its the inability to hit

[past mesa]

surely that would fix its issues

[tardy ingot]

if you make it perfectly accurate rn

[little pilot]

also mb it has 66 ammo

[tardy ingot]

It probably exlipses all other sentries

[tardy ingot]

4 shot per dead striker

[little pilot]

nah, just buff the ammo up to the point where it missing 90% of the shots is no longer an issue

surely it works

[low radish]

i just remembered hel sentry exists

[past mesa]

A little faster ngl

[little pilot]

yea that is actually useful (in very specific circumstances but it is)

[low radish]

make it work like a minigun

THAT will solve everything

[past mesa]

like if we give it 1000 bullets we should have any extra uptime for the sentry

That would be a waste

[low radish]

What for example? i saw it only played once so far

[past mesa]

Back damage goes hard

[little pilot]

it has back damage multiplier so it sometimes works. (for example r2e1)

[past mesa]

Works for any very close range funnel where you don’t drain its bullets

[little pilot]

with correct placement it can do work. (it still gets shit on by ladder foaming but honestly what doesnt)

[low radish]

i'd never think it would be useful in R2E1

[little pilot]

you say that but I also argue that it needs to be a spot where u cant shoot it since hel gun hel rifle exist

[tardy ingot]

Hel auto becomes more useful when you need to stop (and kill) a lot of enemies in a short choke (preferably ladder based)

but you rarely have smth like that where you dont want to use it a lot

And hel auto sentry is smth you wanna use like once or twice

[tardy ingot]

It isnt with how most people use it

[past mesa]

It has use in the double p mom double potato fight

But yeah

[low radish]

I see

[past mesa]

Mom aggro manipulation goes hard

[tardy ingot]

hel auto sentry funnily enough is turning out to be a strong choice for speedruns

[little pilot]

yea people use as if it a burst sentry. which just goes hard into throwing all ur tool down the drain

[low radish]

GTFO speedruns are interesting

[low radish]

yeah it burns really fast

doesn't seem so useful because of it tbh

[civic wave]

i've been doing a little bit of experimenting with it in r8a1 solo speeds and I can't tell if it's better or worse than burst (in terms of both speed and output)

[past mesa]

It uses res because it shoots at max range then staggers enemies then misses every other shot

If you turn it around in tight corners it never shoots at its bad range

[tardy ingot]

Misses three times
Hits once at max range, staggers
Misses another 5 times

[past mesa]

a single shooter can drain 40% of the sentry

[low radish]

Perfect sentry

[tardy ingot]

Crawling shooters can legit take it all

[past mesa]

Yup

[little pilot]

eva, imagine crawling shooter but legs have nightmare scout armor

[past mesa]

but in gtfr hel auto has been useful

[tardy ingot]

Just give a shooter pablo armor

Problem solved

[low radish]

imagine shadow tanks

[tardy ingot]

eh boring

[ocean spindle]

me when person just say "what if enemy but shadow!"

[low radish]

Nightmare snatchers

imagine they can also hit you

like instead of vore

[civic wave]

@past mesa what is burst cannon in gtfr?

[low radish]

I love how you appeared to say this

[past mesa]

5 burst with burst cancel in chocolate reloaded

[tardy ingot]

Snatchers are the one enemy (if slightly reworked) where cloaking being added would make for a sick variant

[ocean spindle]

so a giant charger but without the lick and 2 times faster?

nommin u is kinda their whole thing

if u take it away it's like- why

[civic wave]

so I could also burst cancel dtr?

[ocean spindle]

also i'm always watching

[low radish]

that's.... not what i had in mind at all

[civic wave]

burst cancel dtr*

[past mesa]

I think so? Tru set the weapon balance up

[low radish]

cloaking?

[past mesa]

mainly because we needed every gun at peak to have the levels be clearable

[ocean spindle]

they go invisible when far away and visible when up close i think

i think that was the idea

[tardy ingot]

Ye

[low radish]

Hey actually

[tardy ingot]

Also cant be pinged while cloaked

[low radish]

I like that idea

mods do your thing

[past mesa]

Okay unironically we are missing two enemies in the game long range projectile shadow.

[low radish]

why did i think of shadow flyers

[tardy ingot]

No

Fuck

No

[past mesa]

you don’t understand

It should be hybrid with 75 health shadow

Same head muilt

[little pilot]

shadow baby charger which upon meleeing u u now bleed until u are left on 1 hp (regen is disabled now)

[low radish]

"WHERE ARE ALL OF THOSE PROJECTILES COMING FROM!?!?"
yelled someone

[tardy ingot]

ill find where your house lives jish

[ocean spindle]

r4c2 but every single enemy in the level is shadow

[past mesa]

Okay and the 2nd is a really low threat big health pool

That is common

[low radish]

R2E1 but everything is a hybrid

[tardy ingot]

i think this game generally needed more mini bosses

snatcher/potato (sadly only shows up once)/tank and mom arent enough

[past mesa]

Potatoe, nightmare scout

Are great mini bosses

[tardy ingot]

Nightmare scout in waves

[ocean spindle]

i think nightmare scouts should've been a sleeping giant

[tardy ingot]

would have been good

[past mesa]

They

Are so fucking scary

Like we have seen two end full health runs

[ocean spindle]

nightmare big shooters- they would've been practically a boss itself

would've been fun

[low radish]

I sort of wish the nightmare giant showed more

[ocean spindle]

maybe with a nerf of shoot delay

and a lick :] just to fuck with people

those shooter licks

[low radish]

imagine nightmare baby strikers in waves

[tardy ingot]

add another tumor enemy with a ribcage blocking bullets depending on where they are attacking (kinda like big flyer but less clunky and grounded + better attacks)

[low radish]

imagine that they're immune to damage until they open the ribcage to licc you

[ocean spindle]

an enemy with the top open and a rib cage you gotta shoot through to hot their organs sounds so horrific

[low radish]

or smth

[ocean spindle]

i love it

[past mesa]

That would go hard honestly big flyier is another enemy that is really good

[ocean spindle]

big shooter be like

[low radish]

no

[past mesa]

The shot through the mouth while it is closed

Is so good

They are so funny tho

[low radish]

i mean it is good

[past mesa]

You don’t understand

They are so funny

[low radish]

BUT GOD DO I HATE FLYERS -shotgun player

[ocean spindle]

it's always so funny how big flyers look huge and then u see them from the side
squish

[past mesa]

But flier comes down the ladder and just sits there

just hanging out

Seeing what everyone is up to

[low radish]

i didn;t see them much from the side

[ocean spindle]

they be funny

[past mesa]

Then decides 5 mins later to attack

After we let it live

Then flys into the wall never to be seen again

Such a fucking funny enemy

[ocean spindle]

the big flyer experience

disappears

[low radish]

DAD NO said a flyer

[past mesa]

Clips through the wall chargers up attack kills me then leaves

Eva

They are so funny

[low radish]

I love how giants clip through stuff sometimes, just to hit me

they're clearly anti women /j

[tardy ingot]

This
But it shoots a quick barrage immediatly before it licks(more than one lick)

Opens ripcage as a tell for the attacks. But you can hit through ribcage like with big flyers

[low radish]

Yes

[past mesa]

Such a good enemy

Good skill expression

[low radish]

that's what i had in mind, it's a great warning but also an oppurtunity you can't miss

[tardy ingot]

They are so borked

[past mesa]

But I am laughing the entire time

[tardy ingot]

Imagine if this was modded enemies and not

Charger reskin with X gimmick nr 20237

[low radish]

what do you think about giants clipping through stuff to beat you up

happens to me everyday

[past mesa]

It is so funny to

[tardy ingot]

Its just their melee attack

[low radish]

outside of meele

they just clip, ortheir tongues

they hate me

[past mesa]

Any animations doesn’t link the position to the model

So stagger, scream(walk) tounge and melee

[tardy ingot]

Enemy tounges curving is always funny

[past mesa]

Was the idea potato to be used more

Surely

it was

[tardy ingot]

🤐

[past mesa]

…….

[low radish]

I once had pablo face my friend, only to have it hit me with all of it's three tongues

[ocean spindle]

in vanilla? think i've heard that yea but couldn't as they were short in time or something

[low radish]

sleepaz hate me

[ocean spindle]

i mean they probs couldn't do a ton of balance testing on how to use new enemy in new level so

they just kept it there

locked away for eternity

smh

[low radish]

JisH is not wrong

[ocean spindle]

a2 jail

[low radish]

oh my god not R8A2, i went crazy there

it was always one person dying

and then fail, like 20 times

[ocean spindle]

teehee

funny level

i tried doing it with bots and i did got to the ending but

funny walk back was gonna be next to impossible

[low radish]

I am not going back there

[tardy ingot]

No like
Im under nda lol

[past mesa]

it means i found somethine they cant speak about( kinda knew)

[low radish]

Uh, huh?

my brain is not working properly today 😭

[ocean spindle]

weak

[low radish]

I mean why go somewhere where i don't want to

I would go there for my best friend though, he hasn't completed that one

[past mesa]

R8a2 secondary is a good joke

Tbh it doesn’t play to well

[low radish]

the secondary feels like an expedition on it's own

it's so different from main

• a person who never did main fully

[ocean spindle]

i think it's a very fun different expedition, it does feel super out of the box but that's kinda the point of it

[past mesa]

It is

[ocean spindle]

and even if hard when u don't know what ur doing still nice

[past mesa]

Nightmare error in secondary to get to the door

Kinda sucks

[low radish]

not really

[past mesa]

scatter being forced is funny

but I think your not supposed to kill the bosses

[ocean spindle]

i don't think it sucks- the level is very clearly wanting you to die, and it is not nearly as nauseating as d2 final error when u actually have to redo all that

[ocean spindle]

it's not forced at all i don't think

it's more forced on c2 and hell- b4

u just need to kill a single mom and tank and u can get away with anything for those

[low radish]

D2? R8D2?

[ocean spindle]

since they are isolated

[ocean spindle]

:] yeh

[low radish]

i didn't set my foot there yet

[ocean spindle]

the ending for d2 it's- it's a bit ass

it's fun but it's absolutely a hard punch for a level that was so nicely balanced

[past mesa]

R8d2 ending is kinda just unfortunate mono nightmare waves suck

[low radish]

oh my not R8B4

1 giant every 8 seconds

or something like that

[ocean spindle]

it didn't had to be ||a surge, it could've just been waves, or at least just fucking tell u about it kdmksmd||

[ocean spindle]

wasn't it 2

[low radish]

nope

[ocean spindle]

oh maybe the nerf

[low radish]

1 giant and 8 strikers, plus a surge

[ocean spindle]

idk i don't remember

plus what

[low radish]

surge alarm i think

[ocean spindle]

b4 was a couple nightmares if u did sec, and then an error that ramps up

[low radish]

And an error with 1 giant and 8 strikers 8 seconds i think

[tiny wyvern]

wiki says 1 giant and 5 strikers

not 8

5

[low radish]

my bad

i played that one a looong time ago

[tiny wyvern]

and usually you don't see it anyways

[ocean spindle]

there's no surge except in sec- and by then u don't have the error, it's just an alarm

[low radish]

I remember something way worse

[ocean spindle]

u probs played it before the nerf

it felt like a surge but it wasn't

[low radish]

when was the nerf?

[ocean spindle]

much like d4

uhhh

like february? march?

[low radish]

this year?

[tiny wyvern]

I'll pull it up

give me a min

[ocean spindle]

beginnings of the year for sure

:3 thank u

[low radish]

Nope, i played before i think

or did i

wait when did i even start the game

[tiny wyvern]

#patch-notes message

[past mesa]

B4 nerf was not the thing that needed the nerf. Just give us more repellers and a better holding tile on first cell grab

!!!!!! Insane

[tiny wyvern]

The trinkle wave adjustment

[low radish]

I mean we always did secondary

[ocean spindle]

the funny

i think the nerf was warranted even for the difficulty r8 has
maybe it was slightly too hard nerf, but the infection was too much of a funny to keep the waves like that

[low radish]

i remember the alarm from picking up what was it

data sphere?

[ocean spindle]

the alarm starts when u open the main door

[low radish]

OH i remember now

[ocean spindle]

u can grab the sphere

[low radish]

yeah

you're right

[tiny wyvern]

I remember doing runbacks to the term to lower fog again

Then getting to the end

And finding out you have bad rng

so you die anyways

lovely game

[low radish]

my life

[ocean spindle]

what's bad rng in b4

a bad cell position?

[tiny wyvern]

I think so

Did it prenerf I think

[low radish]

I once ran next to the cell and didn't realise

[ocean spindle]

idk i never thought of it being rng
not at least in the ways something like c1 ov or r7d1 can be

i also did it prenerf but did the command

so no infection

[tiny wyvern]

We did too

The run cost too much ammo for us for some reason
I was still new back then so I didn't really get it

[ocean spindle]

i think i did the level like once after the nerf and i don't remember much of it

i just remember being marginally easier to hand out ammo

[indigo lion]

also how fast does the fog rise in r4d2?

approximately

[past mesa]

Bad cell

168

[strange jolt]

slow but youre still going to take max infection during overload cargo walk in a usual run

actually im not sure if the fog rises since you just kinda go down to lower areas where the fog is

but infection speed is slow to clarify

[whole summit]

One of the bots is stuck in a wall, is there a way to get them out?

[strange jolt]

lock the slot in the escape menu

then unlock it again to reload the bot

[indigo lion]

after 1 hour infection hits super hard

[low radish]

It fills up fully in 30 minutes or so I believe

Like that it infects you almost always

[safe cradle]

I think it starts going up when gen cluster is powered

[low radish]

Yes

[safe cradle]

Yes it goes up 100%

as in basically everything (save perhaps a part of Secondary?) gets engulfed in fog in about 30-40mins or less

[silent delta]

what??

high cal has 8m/65m, hel rifle has 40m/80m

[low radish]

Yes, in 30 minutes you almost always get infected

Through a lot of the map

[soft crater]

Back read you goob.

I clarified it shortly after

[silent delta]

idk i checked my inbox for pings and went from that

oh i see

i think your goob wording excuses a bit of confusing

[soft crater]

But yeah high cal starts losing dmg after 8m

[silent delta]

it feels like more of a shotgun than the choke mod does

[soft crater]

I'm texting in the midst of work driving forklift/moving boxes etc

[silent delta]

skill issue

[soft crater]

Well. They share the same dmg point however chokemod has an advantage in precision/tumors (as client)

[low radish]

Fellow warehouse worker?

[soft crater]

Si

[low radish]

Damn, good luck

Be careful with the forklift, someone almost killed me once

[soft crater]

It's more I'll punch someone out for being negligent about the Forklift literally honking the horn at them excessively

[low radish]

In my work nobody cares about safety

Only I do, at least that's how it looks like

[minor fractal]

R8B4?

One zone is much smaller than the other, and has a much better funnel/hold spot.

[tardy ingot]

the cell spawning in a deeper spot, (also being 2 rooms in) and generally being harder to spot if you dont know about its set spawn in event rly sucks

Couple that with the mentioned worse holding/funnel spot and yikes

[mighty bison]

i still dont get how to solo giants. I hit them from the back with spear and they wake up

and then he deals damage even before the swinging animation

[digital mural]

you have spear
make some distance dont stay too close (this rule applies to all melees)

also you have to charge like 60% with spear to break a limb and stagger him

keep him stagger = he wont attack

[mighty bison]

it never breaks for me for some reason

idk is it me missing

or just unlucky

[silk radish]

Are you hitting the giant in the back?

[mighty bison]

also it never staggers for some reason\

[mighty bison]

the first hit yes

then it turns around

[silent delta]

if you're having trouble, charge your hits more and aim for limbs

[digital mural]

idk how much is for spear

i never use spear

[silent delta]

full charge is easiest

[digital mural]

by the time you get full charge with the spear the giant will be already attacking/screaming

isnt that one of the first things you want to avoid when soloing a giant?

[mighty bison]

idk 😦

[digital mural]

have you tried hammer?

[mighty bison]

it just doesnt stager for some reason

no

i run knife or spear

[digital mural]

try using hammer
is a bit easier

[mighty bison]

ok

[civic wave]

if you break a giants chest, you're almost certain to have put it into a state where none of its limbs can break anymore

which limits your options for staggering

[mighty bison]

OHH

THATS WHY

[tardy ingot]

@mighty bison aim for head first with spear from behind

Its like the only way you dont trol when using spear

[mighty bison]

Ic

Thanks

[civic wave]

had a feeling it was chest break

I'm too good at this game of deduction

[strange valley]

Why does it say 'alt' in front of some missions?

[digital mural]

Those are alternate rundowns

Back when the game released a new rundown the old one got removed

After rundown 7 they decided to bring back the old rundowns as "alt" with some minor and major changes

The major change is the lore

But youll see later

[strange valley]

Aah I see, so those are brought back missions

Is there still relevant lore in those? Or do the yellow missions matter most

[digital mural]

Yellow missions are lore focused

But everything is important

[strange valley]

I must say, playing through the missions in chronological order is a great way to get in contact with new mechanics and enemies.. and it really feels like it's going somewhere which is nice. Current at R2D1 so still a lot to do haha

[digital mural]

Good luck

:)

I hope R4 and R5 goes good for you

[strange valley]

oh boy...

looking forward to it

playing it completely blind so I have no idea what's in store for us still... didn't think there would be any new enemies tbh until we saw those black-spiked fckers lol

[digital mural]

Oh boy

You havent seen the worse yet

[strange valley]

hmmm....

well thanks for the heads-up haha

[tardy ingot]

Gl
Just know uh, when you get to r2e1 and dont get far quickly, consider skipping to r3

[frozen kiln]

Is it that bad?

[soft crater]

Major change. We lost our fingerless gloves

[digital mural]

Yes

Its the first E tier

And E tiers are a whole other level of difficulty

[digital mural]

[frozen kiln]

guessing its even worse as a 3 stack + bot?

[digital mural]

Yes

[hardy grotto]

you should give it a try anyway

if you give it a few attempts and it seems like too much u can move on and come back to it

but i think its fun to see the hardest tier of levels and see what the game has to offer

[minor fractal]

Getting to the objective is also very reasonable for inexperienced players.

Past that is a much harder section.

[prime musk]

r4d1 last code room
what pathing to take for terminals? room feels like rng right now
(true duos)

[upper ginkgo]

i usually path to top right from the entrance of the room

two terminals on the right side of the map, so it's a good chance it might be there

[prime musk]

so you go over catwalk and take staircase at the very back?

[upper ginkgo]

yeah

[civic wave]

yea i do the same, top right then mid right

[prime musk]

i see that's what i have been doing

[civic wave]

sometimes i go to the back of the room, sometimes i go up top immediately at the front of the room

[upper ginkgo]

but rng dictates if that path is gonna be a cinch or not

usually it's not too bad

and ideally you shouldn't kill unless it's necessary or you're sure you can not long range aggro

[civic wave]

there is still the possibility of pulling the room if you're confident enough

[prime musk]

we have survived (and inputted code in time) after triggering but it's rough

[civic wave]

holding bridge I'm guessing?

[prime musk]

for reactor waves?

[civic wave]

ya

[prime musk]

we're holding corridor that opens after 1st wave

we haven't struggled with time at all

[civic wave]

basically the same thing

[prime musk]

but alright my pathing is good enough in the room then i just got to stop being bad

[upper ginkgo]

yeah if you're not having issues holding the wave, then you can follow your current strat

i prefer holding in reactor just because i dislike the extremely late waves

reactor spawning rules get messed up if you hold elsewhere from reactor

[prime musk]

yes, we tend to get a few chargers blocking our way on catwalk but that usually is fine

[prime musk]

this does not happen on r4d1 idk

[civic wave]

it does depending on where you hold

I mean even holding bridge on second wave can lose you a minute of code search time which is kinda significant with what you have to go through

[prime musk]

obv but where would you reasonably hold where it would be a problem

[prime musk]

?? we have never struggled with getting codes in time

i think time is way more lenient in r4d1 than other reactor missions

[upper ginkgo]

oh if you're not having too much problems, then gl on the duo runs

[prime musk]

we have gotten past the last code a few times the problem is we skill issue on secondary

having more consistency on main would be nice for secondary attempts but we'll get it soon™️

[silent delta]

idk i assumed we were operating under the assumption that the room was already awake and you were just 1v1ing the giant

im bad at getting them to not scream when i just have sledge

[upper ginkgo]

you should be able to just instafoam mom with the cfoam from the side zones

[prime musk]

the reason im saying skill issue is because we have hel shotgun and hel auto sentry

we have no excuse to die to double mom, ever

[upper ginkgo]

oh lol

[tardy ingot]

thats an interesting loadout in general

(Also whats hel auto supposed to do vs mom (hel shotty 100% wiped babys tho ye)

[ocean spindle]

stagger her of course

[prime musk]

we're running
hel shotgun/hel rifle/burst sentry
sawed off/hel rifle/hel auto sentry

hel shotgun is good against babies but when 2 moms in different spots spawn hel auto sentry is pretty good at cleaning up whatever hel shotgun doesn't get/when i run out of hel shotgun and have to reload

maybe it's just bad shooting with the hel shotgun on my part?

[past mesa]

maybe per chance you should think about running scatter maybe per chance

[prime musk]

on r4d1 duo?

[past mesa]

ye

100%

[prime musk]

never considered it because it's kinda sucky into chargers

[past mesa]

you kill two chargers per shot and r4d1 has infinite ammo

[prime musk]

this is true

it's obviously going to perform worse than hel rifle during waves but maybe i can get away with it

[past mesa]

i think you can get away with it

[prime musk]

ill try it tomorrow then

[past mesa]

ray says pump carries here to

he may be correct

[minor fractal]

Pump solos a mom

I took it for the streamathon.

[prime musk]

im not sure i'd rather have pump

[minor fractal]

And rushed upstairs mom.

[prime musk]

it's like, not consistent against chargers

[minor fractal]

HEL Revo is, and pump has really good chip + stagger.

[prime musk]

do they always spawn in same spot

[minor fractal]

Moms are always in same spots in those zones, yes.

[prime musk]

we've been pulling the rooms so maybe that's why we're dying

(i have no idea where they spawn)

[minor fractal]

They auto-pull

[prime musk]

i mean yeah but what i mean is

[minor fractal]

In duo it's a little scarier to run it, yeah.

Because giants

[prime musk]

tbf with scatter i should not be afraid of running into giants

[minor fractal]

HEL Shotgun Scatter is very cancer on waves, though.

[prime musk]

that we just hold outside and shoot as shit walks out

[minor fractal]

And you need to solo birth

[soft crater]

[prime musk]

having 1 of them isn't terrible but both hurts

[prime musk]

wdym

[minor fractal]

If you are rushing top mom, she will always birth

you need to kill birth when you get there, and then DPS her

[prime musk]

not viable to double scatter and then kill what managed to spawn?

[red flax]

Anyone know why jumping while you fail a hack doesn't make a noise after you fail a hack?

[prime musk]

ideally wouldn't 1 player be carrying scatter and nuking while p2 carries hel shotty to kill spawns anyways

[prime musk]

for whatever reason there's just a cooldown for how often the noise can trigger

[red flax]

It doesn't happen if I don't jump

[prime musk]

i think it's tied to the failing hack animation on the lock itself

im blind nvm what i have written

[red flax]

I can spam fail a hack and it makes noise every time unless I jump

[soft crater]

Test it next to a giant :P

[red flax]

Well the first failed hack would wake it up regardless I think

[minor fractal]

It's pretty scary, I think.

[prime musk]

ok

question about pen

can pen hit multiple tumors on same enemy

[minor fractal]

No.

One hit per enemy.

[prime musk]

unfortunate

[pseudo coyote]

hacklocks have a cooldown for how often they trigger a noise.

it's not to do with the jump, the noise maker is just on cooldown

this is why the behaviour only happens after u trigger the first noise - it's simply on cooldown

[tiny wyvern]

Can I ask what the cooldown is

[pseudo coyote]

tbh no idea, I just know some noises have cooldowns and just assume it's the same for the hacklock based on the described behaviour

there's a high chance I'm wrong since I have not checked in a while...

[tiny wyvern]

Maybe modded will know

[pseudo coyote]

I've double checked and there is no cooldown listed in the code and I have not been able to reproduce this behaviour

my best guess from this point is he was client and his noise packets somehow got missed on host side, whether it be bad connection or desync 🤷

[tiny wyvern]

I think him jumping is just covering up the sound of the fail

[pseudo coyote]

this is not possible - packet for a failed lock and the sound produced from jumping can co-exist

[tiny wyvern]

huh any other ideas on why this happened then

[pseudo coyote]

^

regardless the jump has nothing to do with it - unless he's running mods that somehow make it linked lmao

[tiny wyvern]

and either way missing the hack hard alerts things

while jumping soft alerts them right?

I know landing is a soft alert

[pseudo coyote]

ye that's right

tho hack lock is only hard alert within some radius and soft alert outside

the exact mechanism is as follows:

• you start a hack lock which has some ID
• u fail the hack, the status is updated via that ID (sent from client to host)
• host receives the update, checks the ID exists and then plays sound to wake enemies

either the ID no longer existed on host or the packet was dropped by the network for the noise to not go off.

I hvnt looked at the code for how the IDs are provided but it's entirely possible that if the hacklock is unlocked by another player while 1 is still hacking it, after removal the noise can no longer be made since the lock obv no longer exists for host.

this is conjecture since I cba to read more code rn lol

[proud mantle]

any hint of more content in the "final chapter" trailer?

[tiny wyvern]

what trailer

the one for gamescon?

[proud mantle]

yaya

[tiny wyvern]

that was bait for um what's it called...

rustles papers

den...of...wolves

[proud mantle]

awww

[tiny wyvern]

actually @tardy ingot how's the panel?

you're at gamescon rn right?

[tardy ingot]

they gonna do stuff in 20 min

[lone mortar]

Eva is lurking

[topaz anvil]

I guarantee eva has spent the whole day by DoW

[tardy ingot]

ive filled up the levelinfinite card

now heading to indie game hall

[soft crater]

Eva about to cop GTFO2

[ocean spindle]

how much damage to stagger a snatcher?

[tardy ingot]

40

only when its in attacking phase tho

[ocean spindle]

yeah

i was just

thinking funny ideas

[grizzled patrol]

What If you foam the snatcher while someone is still inside?

[ocean spindle]

it would like crash ur game probs somehow

if u could force the foam into the snatcher

i think when u do it already like breaks the enemy kdmsk

[grizzled patrol]

Very stable Code indeed

[ocean spindle]

i mean

that's what happens when h force it

it's not really the fault of the code it's ur fault for forcing a mechanic onto an enemy that doesn't allow it kdmskd

[grizzled patrol]

Last Time i checked it does have foam health, its Just absurdly high

[ocean spindle]

i mean could be but then still it's non feasible really

unless u dupe foam nades infinitely or something

[grizzled patrol]

Not with that Attitude

Actually, now i want to calculate how much foam you can get If you drain the entirety of R7D2

Prob still Not enough

[past mesa]

It isn’t I think foam snatcher just didn’t work to well. It can attack you through foam which isn’t amazing

[arctic marten]

pouncer foam health is 1000000 last i checked

[silent delta]

doesnt doggo also ignore stagger multis

because fuck you

[silent delta]

i thought it was immune? i think ive seen dogs walk off foam mines like its nothing

[tardy ingot]

Yea

[silent delta]

because we needed another reason to bring scatter

[grizzled patrol]

It applies only to melee tho, so If you have a high stagger weapon you can still do it pretty easy

[silent delta]

wait what

gun stagger multi still applies?

[grizzled patrol]

Yes. You Just cannot bat it

[silent delta]

well that would have been nice to know at some point in the last 700 hours

[silent delta]

unplayable

[ocean spindle]

wasn't it instead that the snatcher got staggered with a certain amount of dmg

not cause of the stagger?

i'm pretty sure they just ignore stagger regardless of the weapon

it's just dealing 40 dmg

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[tardy ingot]

No

[grizzled patrol]

Yes