gtfo-related-questions

[ocean spindle]

maybe
electronic chairs

gamer chairs surely

[silent delta]

they ran doom on gut bacteria

surely a chair can do it

[narrow niche]

can you run doom on doom...

[silent delta]

im pretty sure they did that too

[ocean spindle]

i wouldnt run doom i would run gtfo

cause gtfo my beloved

[silent delta]

can doom run gtfo]

[narrow niche]

can you run gtfo on doom on minecraft...

[ocean spindle]

probs not but backwards surely

[prime musk]

tips for r3a3 solo? im bringin hel revo/hel rifle/sniper sentry
i got first 5 waves down consistently but the class 3 alarm kinda sucks and i keep dying to it

[past mesa]

Are you funneling

Or letting them come down bottom

[prime musk]

the main door from 431A is where im letting them through right now

the sighlines for sniper sentry through other doors kinda suck

[fallen kite]

I’m surprised you’re finding the alarm itself difficult tbh, are you getting overwhelmed by enemies?

[tired aurora]

I'd swap sniper for burst sentry you already have a hel rifle so you have big enemy dmg and big enemies are mixed into small waves so that sniper sentry won't hit a hybrid anyway

[fallen kite]

Thats probably for the better i’d agree, yeah

You dont have a bio either

Makes sniper sentry a lot worse than it should be

The burst sentry will be really good for thinning out the waves on the class 3

[ocean spindle]

where would one hold for a solo?
i imagine the catwalk leading to the reactor, right? and the circle around if overwhelmed

[fallen kite]

It varies a lot

[tired aurora]

also on class 3 go for the scans that are closer to your sentry to help it kill the waves, after killing the wave or killing a big part of it go for the back scans and repeat the strat for 3rd set of scans

[ocean spindle]

i guess to prevent backspawns, that's fair i didn't thought of that

[fallen kite]

I personally hold on the door to spawn for first 3 waves, then inside second code hunt zone

And then inside first code hunt zone for wave 5 and 6

Just have to cope with backspawns for wave 6 lol

[tired aurora]

for first 4 waves i held in front first zone in front of the zone that goes to reactor and 5,6 i held on the bridge in first code hunt zone

[ocean spindle]

i feel like u could force a funnel somewhere...

maybe going up the stairs in the first room of the first codehunt?

leaving the big door open so back enemies spawn and funnel there

and then everything comes up the ladder

[fallen kite]

Yes

[tired aurora]

yep that's what you do

[ocean spindle]

omg i know my gtfoing weee

:3

[fallen kite]

There is no ladder tho

[ocean spindle]

the stairs

[fallen kite]

Its just stairs to get to second floor

[ocean spindle]

hehe sorry

english

[fallen kite]

That funnel is scary though

You can get fucked up really easy if u miscount shots or just miss

And hybrids shooting from underneath

[tired aurora]

that's gtfo in general

if you miss you die

[fallen kite]

Not like theres anywhere else u can hold lol

[ocean spindle]

i mean u also have the door to the right i guess to kite around in case of overwhelming

but yeah hybrids sound scary

[fallen kite]

Ok but its especially bad here

[tired aurora]

nah the bridge is long af just hold S and hel rifle pens everything

[fallen kite]

The way i’ve dealt with it is just go into survival mode for last wave and focus on getting code in

[tired aurora]

or hel gun

[fallen kite]

Hel gun is more complicated, because big guys take like 7-9 shots depending on ur aim

Its easier said than done to just ‘hit pen’

The bridge is dark

[tired aurora]

ye but it's possible

[fallen kite]

You dont see the ebemies jntil like 10m away

[tired aurora]

i did it with hel gun and honestly wave 4 was easier with hel gun than rifle

[fallen kite]

Yeah bc wave 4 has that wave of hybrids giants and smalls right before and after

Much easier to crowd control w it

[tired aurora]

well if you place a sentry facing you it lights up everything on the bridge

[ocean spindle]

facing you?

[fallen kite]

I keep it down so it at least staggers any hybrids on the bottom, i’ve found putting it up lets me get lit tf up by shooters and hybrids

[civic wave]

i think hel rifle is probably easier to play with in the solos

because it's simpler

[fallen kite]

Yeah, bridge is long enough so that friendly fire w burst is a non issue

[civic wave]

you shoot, small dies, no need for follow up damage and it's good into giants

[ocean spindle]

hel gun is flexible but hel rifle comes better for bigs and u for ur main for smalls
specifically for this level it seems better

[fallen kite]

I use hel gun bc i’m unironically dogshit w hel rifle

[ocean spindle]

i mean yeah but why facing you

[fallen kite]

Idk how

[fallen kite]

To light stuff up as klusher said

Bridge is dark, cant see shit w hel gun flashlight

[tired aurora]

oh yea hel rifle is better but idk when i swaped to hel gun wave 4 was easier somehow

[ocean spindle]

mh idk it feels like it would do the same facing from where h are idk

but maybe it's something else

[soft crater]

They haven't unlocked the ability to see in the dark yet

[fallen kite]

I hate the R3A3 solo its such a clusterfuck

[tired aurora]

I like it except for the last part

6 giants 2 hybrids and 30 seconds for code

[fallen kite]

Yeah its awful

[ocean spindle]

teehee

:3

[civic wave]

maybe i'll try the solo some time with burst cannon + sniper sentry

but i gotta sleep and im doing even more speedruns because i guess that's all im good for nowadays

[tired aurora]

I came up with a strat to get code in then come back to the bridge and loop around the giants there but when i tried to implement it i got all giants to spawn behind me so i just ran to extract

[fallen kite]

BC would be very good

[tired aurora]

BC is def the play idk about the sniper sentry tho

[fallen kite]

Theres not so many big guys that pen is necessary

[fallen kite]

Sniper is good if you can kill all the shooters in the first few waves by yourself

[civic wave]

tbh I think in a lot of circumstances sniper sentry is just straight up preferable for solos

[fallen kite]

I didnt notice how much burst carried in that regard

[civic wave]

there's a reason it's for choice

[tired aurora]

I mean if you defend 4th wave on 1st code hunt bridge then maybe I always defended in the same spot as wave 1-2-3

[civic wave]

although burst does provide more support which is more useful if you're not as confident in your gunplay

[fallen kite]

That spot leaves u w so little time

To get code and resources

[tired aurora]

you mean bridge or first zone

[fallen kite]

Shits never worked for me

First code hunt zone for wave 4

I always defend in second code hunt zone now

[tired aurora]

yep that's why i never used it

[silent delta]

put in code and pray the giants all miss

ez

[fallen kite]

Yeah bc you definitely wanna leave the run to ‘praying’

[tired aurora]

and if you defend in first zone the reactor throws like 2 giants 2 hybrids and what feels like 2 small striker waves at the same time so sniper sentry sure as hell won't hit any big enemy in that cluster

[fallen kite]

Its unlikely you have any hp

At the very end

To take giant licks

[halcyon current]

Guess code and pray it was right

[fallen kite]

It kills shit

[tired aurora]

like 3 smalls sure

[fallen kite]

Not if u put it in a good spot

[tired aurora]

i need the hybrid dead not the 1/20 striker dead

[fallen kite]

Sniper sentrys placement is super important

[silent delta]

always high roll

gamblers never lose

[civic wave]

just shoot 1 hel revo bullet at the hybrid when it starts firing and it's no worse than having 2 shooter projectiles coming towards you

but eh whatever im gonna go sleep now before i have to speedrun in 8 hours

[tired aurora]

I was the one that told eva about it so you don't have to explain it to me

[fallen kite]

The problem is like

Theres three strikers in front of u mid lick and the hybrids shooting at you from below

[tired aurora]

also that ye there's too many enemies to just flick shoot the hybrid

[fallen kite]

‘Just stagger it’s

[civic wave]

Mag dump and hit them all for you are an epic gamer who has practiced for this moment

[fallen kite]

Theres no time to lmao

[silent delta]

just stagger L

skill issue

[halcyon current]

Tbh I've seen Goat play and I would have faith in them in that scenario

[civic wave]

if its not feasible then you end up going for movement to stay safe

[tired aurora]

even if you hel rifle the small wave there's another one right behind it along with 2 giants

[halcyon current]

They're quite good at GTFO

[fallen kite]

Did you know they speedrun?

[halcyon current]

Yes, I did

[fallen kite]

Have they said that yet?

I didnt

[civic wave]

And I'm only getting better finger guns

[halcyon current]

Aren't we all, slowly but surely?

[civic wave]

ya

[halcyon current]

But seriously idk, I have faith in Goat's gameplay. If they say they can do something I have no reason to believe they can't.

[fallen kite]

Ive gotten noticeably worse at vanilla recently, icl

[halcyon current]

Been on the speedrun circuit?

[fallen kite]

Yeah but you cant give the same advice to a normal player lmao

[civic wave]

Of course not, never pretended you could

[fallen kite]

I dont speedrun i’m a pub

[halcyon current]

We're all Pubs in God's GTFO lobby, and may he have mercy on us.

[fallen kite]

I’ve just been playing modded and its been fucking with me that my guns in vanilla cant clear a surge wave in 1 mag ykwim

[civic wave]

But this is also in a context away from new players

[tired aurora]

All this Bolt talking made me want to solo it again

damn it

[fallen kite]

I know but if the advice is just to ‘shoot better’ you might as well not say anything and let them bash their heads against the wall until they seee expedition completed on their screen

[halcyon current]

I'm trying to figure out if I wanna start R4D2 tn

Or I could play more Elden Ring

[fallen kite]

Or they’ll know themselves if theyre just not good enough to do it

[fallen kite]

Its a great PE but the endings got a bit of RNG and its a little cursed icl

[ocean spindle]

it's a bit of a longer level but the first tries u probs just get like 10 mins in

[tired aurora]

make sure to complete overload objective right away

[ocean spindle]

that or 40, no in between

[halcyon current]

I'll do it tomorrow then

I dont want to commit to a long GTFO level tn

Was hoping it was quick but intense ngl

[fallen kite]

Theres like

30-40 mins of set up

[halcyon current]

On the brightside? Last roadblock till R4E1

[fallen kite]

And then its a 15-20 min gogogogo

[halcyon current]

Yeah I don't have the mental state for that rn

Ngl

[fallen kite]

And then another 10 mins of PLEASEDONTDIEPLEASEDONTDIE

I used to like the level a lot but ive come to dislike it recently

[halcyon current]

Honestly? like it or not the PE is the last thing i need to do before R4E1

[ocean spindle]

i think it's a good level but surely hard to learn

[halcyon current]

So it's just an obstacle to overcome for me

[fallen kite]

||tfw you get all front spawns for shadow error|| spoilers

[ocean spindle]

i had that te last time i tried it :]

and then my geforce expired

and my pc exploded

and now i just have a main clear of it

[fallen kite]

:skull

[ocean spindle]

sad

[fallen kite]

Thats gotta be so dull

Main only R4D2

Its just a bunch of boring alarms lmao

[ocean spindle]

yeah

it's not, great

[civic wave]

I wouldn't advise it to anyone, but when you reach a certain point you can sorta start breaking out and doing what you want and funny things

[fallen kite]

Wdym

[civic wave]

I can't tell people how they should be playing combat situations, it's something where you have to feel it out yourself and determine what you can and can't do

[halcyon current]

I can tho

"Kill them first"

[fallen kite]

I agree, yeah

[fallen kite]

👏

[halcyon current]

Works everytime

If you simply kill them before they kill you they'll be dead and you won't be

Thus ensuring resolute and sound victory

[fallen kite]

Ok but what if you decide to whiff ur main and special mag so now youre there with your dick in ur hand and a horde of enemies is coming towards you

Die?

[halcyon current]

You have a melee weapon

Get at em

[fallen kite]

Lmao

Respectable

[tired aurora]

you go long

[fallen kite]

Fuck that shit

Go long = go home

[halcyon current]

Unironically tho kite, reload, ideally your team is good enough to cover your reload

[fallen kite]

( i cant kite and Im coping )

[halcyon current]

If you can't reload, melee and kite

If I'm going to die I'm killing as many as I can in the process

Try to make it easier on the team

And who knows, maybe in the frantic death throws killing you get lucky and manage to kill em all

[fallen kite]

This advice is very skibidi

👍

[digital mural]

💀

keep yourself safe

[halcyon current]

Ik it sounds like I'm memeing but I find it generally applicable

[fallen kite]

ping rope ping chair

[halcyon current]

My pings when the team asks me what I need

[tired aurora]

oh ye for sure i wanted to add something when saying that but reactor timer

[silent delta]

ping chair?

@ocean spindle

[halcyon current]

Hey

This isn't general

[ocean spindle]

:[

pinged .....

[halcyon current]

You can't flirt on main like that

[digital mural]

hello baby girl

want to see my skibidi rizz?

[silent delta]

skibidi sigma rizz grimace shake in ohio

[halcyon current]

That sounds so fanum tax

[silent delta]

the voices are getting louder.

[digital mural]

🫃

[fallen kite]

Call me baby gronk the way I rizz u like livvy dunne and fanum tax the opps

Ok im done

[digital mural]

what the

[halcyon current]

God I feel old

[digital mural]

[digital mural]

you feel or you are old?

[halcyon current]

I'm mid 20s

So ig I've got one foot in the grave

[tired aurora]

never mind wave 4 with hel rifle is even easier than with hel gun

[prime musk]

the reason for sniper sentry is that it staggers/kills giants and hybrids when im busy shootings smalls
i initially ran burst but i found holding the waves (at least the first 4) easier with sniper sentry. when holding in front of catwalks shooting towards spawn, a sniper sentry on top of catwalks lets me retreat up catwalks to shoot smalls if need be and then the sniper sentry fucks up hybrids/giants

funnily enough the reason im bringing hel rifle over hel gun is that i find it easier to manage the striker waves with it

+hel gun sucks against shooters

[tardy ingot]

it doesnt o.O

you 2 tap body or headshot

(hel rifle is the shooter fucker tho)

[tired aurora]

I think he means hybrids

[prime musk]

depending on where scans go the enemies like splitting up and coming from two directions
pretty sure it's a skill issue in shootinh though

[prime musk]

i know it doesn't but i try to headshot, it immediately decides to strafe and bo i mess because. 2 chargeuo

[tired aurora]

when doing alarm go for scans that go next to your sentry first and help it kill the wave then go for the back scans

[prime musk]

no, i mean shooters

[prime musk]

(comparatively)

[tired aurora]

depending on where you hold you have 20 small enemies next to giants and hybrids ain't no way that sniper will hit any of the big enemies

[prime musk]

i literally explained why it hits the bybrids and giants

i back up and all the smols follow me onto catwalk

no smolls left for sniper to shoot, only the giants (that are slow) and hybrids (that keep their distance)

i have cleared wave 4 without even seeing hybrids this way

[safe cradle]

What issues are you having with R3A3 exactly?

[prime musk]

dying on class 3 because im bad at shooting

to be clear, im soloing

[safe cradle]

no bots?

[prime musk]

no bots

[safe cradle]

then gl

[prime musk]

no words of wisdom for shooting better on alarm, unfortunate

[safe cradle]

yeah well that's the point

[prime musk]

it makes sense im not disappointed

[livid stone]

Well ur soloing so u better be able to aim

[soft crater]

[prime musk]

one would think aiming is necessafy for soloing but i have done like 5 solos without needing to properly aim (given, they weren't particularly hard being
R1A1, R1B1, R1B2, R3A1 and R3A2. working on r3b1 r2a1 on r3a3 rn but it's literally a shooting issue i think)

[soft crater]

Later levels

Missing shots can hurt as a solo

[prime musk]

yes, you lack the dps to deal with enemies building up

[soft crater]

All those levels relatively on the easier side as well tbf

[prime musk]

have to invest significant time in shooting and then repositioning

[prime musk]

im well aware im just too shit to do anything harder

i try many more levels solo but i end up dying and standing no chance because well skill issue

[soft crater]

Goodluck with R2B1.

[prime musk]

oh right i have been playing it too

i cleared the class 7 and then lost to wiki lying to me

it said giants spawned when standing in extraction scan, so i though i could chill and grab some resources (the ammo in that zone that i needed to kill them were in a hackbox and i had no lock melters because again, i thought i was chilling)

but no they just spawn when you enter extraction zone

(yes i was the one that edited the wiki)

[soft crater]

They spawn when you open the door :/

But again the wiki is by the community

So who knows what other misinformation there is.

[silent delta]

this might be crimes but ive been using the bullpup recently as a meme and its been working shockingly well

i didnt know it had a 1.0 prec multi and it melts smalls if you can hit headshots

definitely not like a top tier main but it's gone up quite a bit in my mind

[digital mural]

are you having fun with bad weapons? cant do that here

perish now

[silent delta]

lmao real

optimal or death

like obviously the reload speed ruins the thing but it puts in work while its up

[soft crater]

I'd rather use smg with it's 0.91x precision.

[ocean spindle]

my loadout for r6d1 is always- ALWAYS sniper and bullpup

[silent delta]

oh yeah smg is still better

[fierce walrus]

Hsmg better

[silent delta]

and hsmg is better than smg imo

but the bullpup wasnt nearly as ass as i was expecting

is my point

[digital mural]

shut the fuck up HAR hater

[silent delta]

real

also bullpup has more range and better base dps

than smh

g

[ocean spindle]

the utility of guns is always greatly exaggerated- u hear a lot of people saying short rifle burst pistol and slug shotgun are completely unusable but no

[soft crater]

Hsmg is alright but in my mind. It's just "the better AR"

[ocean spindle]

they do damage, they work fine but the are very underpowered

i actually think the slugs the better of the three rlly

[silent delta]

the only one of those that's unusable is short rifle

[silent delta]

no yeah i agree, the others just dont do damage but at worst slug can one shot littles at close range

if you hit headshots

[ocean spindle]

i mean no not rlly if u spam it well it's... it does damage for sure
but it just eats up ammo then

[soft crater]

Short rifle is usable. Despite the shortage of stagger. Short rifle can still just straight up dps

But it doesn't make it "good"

[silent delta]

i will die on this hill

[ocean spindle]

for me the only unusable gun is sniper cause the reloads just too long and the niche of giants it has it's just completely overshadowed by everything else

[silent delta]

i mean anything is ""usable""

the righteous bison in tf2 is ""useable""

[ocean spindle]

i use sniper in d1 cause is funny but

[silent delta]

bc is unironically better for kraken lmao

[ocean spindle]

i would be lying if i didnt also admitted it has costs me a couple wipes

cause the VI is absolutely awful with the sniper

[silent delta]

worth it for funny

[ocean spindle]

it is funny

yeah

but snipers the only unusable weapon for me the rest i can play

snipers just a nope

[silent delta]

idm using sniper on levels with giant spam

like it definitely doesn't feel good

but i do feel like im contributing

[soft crater]

Sniper can still be spammed into kraken :p

[ocean spindle]

yeah but not rlly cause the reloads so long

[silent delta]

"spammed" is a strong word for a weapon with that reload

[ocean spindle]

burst cannon is 80 times more 'spammable' and u don't rlly lose that much with it as long as u actually get closer to the tumor

if u just try to snipe it like u would with the sniper then yes it's bad

[silent delta]

at lesat on the r8b2 kraken you can almost solo a tumor without reloading

[ocean spindle]

but then u just move closer

[silent delta]

on the r6d1 kraken either im bad cuz its farther away or the tumors have more health but its still good if your teammates can keep the meatballs off your ass

[ocean spindle]

both

it's farther away depending on the angle and it has more hp

[silent delta]

hm

i still prefer bc

[ocean spindle]

no yes it is just good

[silent delta]

its also nicer for the reactor earlier in the level

[soft crater]

Imean a lot more weapons can dmg R8 kraken

Easily

[silent delta]

i popped a tumor with one full clip of bc and then like a bit of help from my friends smg

[soft crater]

R6 Kraken is much farther

[ocean spindle]

even just d1 kraken u could take perfectly a precision rifle and it would do so much better- like the sniper niche of kraken it's also overshadowed in general

[soft crater]

The small kraken or the big one in r8?

[silent delta]

12 clip pr when

[ocean spindle]

or u could get closer to its tumors by moving for the bc

[silent delta]

ive only fought the small one

still havent made it to e2

or d2

wherever it is

🫠

[ocean spindle]

haha noob

[silent delta]

itll happen

i am 0.7 hours away from 700 no noobie here

[soft crater]

BC will still do dmg but sniper will be better for R6 Kraken

[silent delta]

i think they're at least comparable and bc is far more usable for everythign else in the level

[prime musk]

idk i have 400 and consider myself a beginner
maybe 300 more will change that

[ocean spindle]

i think that sniper might be better for kraken but overall for r6d1 ur just better choosing something else

[soft crater]

[silent delta]

im at the point where i have enough game knowledge and experience that i dont think im a beginner
im definitely no goat but i can do

you know

some things

[ocean spindle]

i take it cause it's funny but u don't actually need the sniper and u could just take alternatives that do almost as good

[silent delta]

my aim is still dogshit but im good at everything else

[soft crater]

"Experienced"

But not a vet

[silent delta]

i feel like self proclaiming as a vet is

whats the word

[soft crater]

But even some vets are learning new things

[silent delta]

narcissistic?

idk

[silent delta]

"cuz its funny" is the best reasoning

[soft crater]

Playing with vets in gtfo is a different experience

[digital mural]

what does someone needs to do to be considered vet?

[soft crater]

It's practically night and day imo

[silent delta]

solo r4e1 secondary

[digital mural]

[prime musk]

with or without boosters

[civic wave]

being goat level is hard

[silent delta]

boosters are a crutch

(i need the crutch)

[ocean spindle]

[i broke my leg sure the crutch does]

[digital mural]

who needs legs

[ocean spindle]

me

[digital mural]

liar

[prime musk]

i think boosters are fair game for solos but for anything else they feel off

[ocean spindle]

i think if u wanna challenge urself to not use boosters sure but otherwise idc
unless someone's annoying about it but that's another thing

that's separate

[silent delta]

they're in the game, use em if you want to, don't if you dont

[ocean spindle]

so true goober

[silent delta]

😌💅✨

[digital mural]

goobynaughty

[silent delta]

pebble

[halcyon current]

Me taking a funny +1 percent damage main booster for the DMR

[silent delta]

me bringing triple hacking skill boosters every run

[ocean spindle]

me taking a funny 293% for the short rifle

[frail heart]

me when every instance of the kraken has different hp

[prime musk]

if someone wants to solo r2e1 bringing 100% infection resist is fair and still counts but if you're 4 players all doing it it doesn't really count

[digital mural]

why

[prime musk]

because solo is a different game

[frail heart]

it counts

[ocean spindle]

the "doesn't count" doesn't rlly sit right with me- i mean again if u wanna challenge urself to do it sure but otherwise eh

let em be sure

game says it's completed

[digital mural]

if it doesnt count
then why do you get completition if you finish the level

:)

[halcyon current]

"Here's how to make the short rifle good" installs various macros and perfect boosters and an aim bot to be safe

[frail heart]

me when i door bug

[silent delta]

"doesnt count" blah, you're using stuff the devs put in the game and you have completion

[prime musk]

it "doesn't count" in the same way as ladderfoaming "doesn't count"

[silent delta]

that counts as much as it is possible to count

[frail heart]

no

[ocean spindle]

there's a difference between a booster and actively cheesing the level idk

[silent delta]

i mean i got completion with cheated boosters

[frail heart]

thats a flawed argument

[digital mural]

ah yes
my favorite game mechanic
totally fair

[silent delta]

but thats a whole other can of worms

[ocean spindle]

i think i tagged the wrong person teehee

[digital mural]

totally INTENDED

[frail heart]

so r4e1 speedruns arent actual clears

and r2e1 speedruns?

[silent delta]

who cares

[digital mural]

get the fuck out of here

jk

[silent delta]

im trying to get a legit clear :(

[prime musk]

nullify a difficult part of the level

[digital mural]

IM JOKING

[silent delta]

but none of my friends wanna play that shit ass level lmao

[frail heart]

not really

[digital mural]

fair

[halcyon current]

Which?

[silent delta]

r2e1

[frail heart]

it still counts as a clear

[halcyon current]

I'll play R2E1 with you sometime

[ocean spindle]

growing up is not paying taxes it's realizing the E tiers are kinda fun and u were just burned out of doing them

[silent delta]

yes please i need a carry

[halcyon current]

I can't like carry you through it but ik the level

[silent delta]

i mean i havent played r2e1 since i only had like 400 hours but

[frail heart]

r2e1 is a level

[silent delta]

bad memories

[civic wave]

boosters are boring, take the difficulty and push through in full team runs

[frail heart]

yeah

[civic wave]

some solos are facilitated by boosters and that's alright I guess, like look at hinoki's r4c3 PE

[silent delta]

please god all i want is a checkpoint before the error is that too much to ask

[digital mural]

yes

[halcyon current]

Honestly 95 percent of R2E1 is knowing where to run during the surges imo

[silent delta]

r4c3 overload can gargle my nutsack

wow that didnt get automodded?

[frail heart]

yeah somewhat

[silent delta]

im shocked

[civic wave]

I don't care too much about people taking boosters but they're boring most the time

though I did take some in r4d1 earlier with jake and eva because lmao why not

[prime musk]

look if a teams first clear of r2e1 is everyone using full boosters and ladderfoaming everything they haven't overcome the challenge just circumvented it

[halcyon current]

Wee bit of an overexagerration but if the pubs don't die to shadow giants I find that's what gets em lmao

[digital mural]

its in the game

[civic wave]

give me a +35% cpu speed sniper sentry to hold with and it's just like og r4 but as if my burst cancels are dogshit

[silent delta]

r2e1 is still plenty challenging with those things

[digital mural]

thats the point

[silent delta]

they played enough to roll good boosters, a limited resource, and then expended that resource when a challenge proved too great for them to tackle at base

[ocean spindle]

i think ladderfoam is an active choice of that are you doing and so for first clears means ur desperate
boosters are just like- in the lobby, where u choose ur weapons

so like not comparable rlly

venus and bananas

[frail heart]

the ladderfoam on r2e1 doesnt even get rid of most of the challenging part

[silent delta]

its not even that necessarily

i played with some irls last night and they chucked 2 foam nades on the ladder

just because they knew it was a choke

[digital mural]

smart

[silent delta]

didnt even know about ladderfoaming

[frail heart]

i mean ladderfoam isnt even as op as it used to be

[silent delta]

yeah i have high hopes for them :)

[ocean spindle]

i don't think foaming the bottom of a ladder doesn't rlly count as full on ladder foaming cause it lasts about, 10x times less usually

one enemy and then it gets pushed away

[halcyon current]

Honestly are you even beating GTFO if you're not going melee only?

Real GTFO players don't even need guns, they're a crutch

[frail heart]

who even needs a monitor

[silent delta]

lmao i have said that exact line so many times

scout wakes up and all my teammates set up turrets and shit

[ocean spindle]

eva for sure doesn't

[silent delta]

i charge in with my hammer shouting GUNS ARE A CRUTCH WE DONT NEED THEM and then down instantly

[halcyon current]

Right? A real GTFO player doesn't need a monitor, I'd say they don't even need a mouse tbh

[digital mural]

skill
issue
fr

[silent delta]

real gtfo players beat the whole game with a Nintendo power glove

[prime musk]

the game is clearly designed with boosters as a "we can't beat this so we're going to bring this thing that boosts us and maybe then we can manage"
it doesn't make you play better
it makes the level easier
these are different (duh) so to me it's two different challenges that were beaten

[silent delta]

idk how avoidable it is but my main gripe (well, one of them) with boosters is the interaction changes

like main damage boosters letting you one shot biters with hel revo or dmr

thats a huge difference that you can't get in vanilla

[grizzled patrol]

"Oh my god he just ran in"

[frail heart]

its clearly designed for 4 players but why dont just beat it solo?!?!?!?!

[silent delta]

or i get hel rifled in the ass

[digital mural]

gets friendly fired instantly

[ocean spindle]

i understood that reference

[prime musk]

this isn't a good point and you know it

[silent delta]

LEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

[frail heart]

i think you saying booster runs arent real clears is not a good argument

[silent delta]

lmao with how aggressive i play i cant get mad at friendly fire anymore

if im whacking fools with my hammer and someone clips me with the hel shotty i cant really be angry because i was in there like a dumbass myself

[ocean spindle]

feel like saying that is like saying a run of a hard level doesn't count cause 'u took the meta weapons so it's clearly easier'

like yes it's easier but it's an option the game actively gives u

[halcyon current]

Tbh I took boosters as a "Here's a small positive that incentivizes play even if you arent winning because you still stand to gain something"

[frail heart]

omg i didnt have to do one of the surges in r4c2 its clearly not a real clear

[digital mural]

all this argument started with a simple why

god damn

[ocean spindle]

we got the easy path in r3c1 the run doesn't count

[silent delta]

like "your clear doesnt count cuz you used sawed off hel rifle"

[digital mural]

EWWWW

[silent delta]

idk

[digital mural]

META

cringe

[silent delta]

like if boosters dont feel like a legit clear to you, dont use them

[frail heart]

i hate meta

[ocean spindle]

ok bullpup user

[silent delta]

thats totally fair

[digital mural]

short rifle*

[silent delta]

its like people who only play the game on the hardest difficulty

[frail heart]

SLUG SHORT RIFLE FTW

[silent delta]

some people just like a challenge

[ocean spindle]

fuck meta but only their services, fuck you facebook

[silent delta]

but some people have more fun with things being a bit easier

and boosters are nice for that

[frail heart]

anything lower is not a real clear

obv

[silent delta]

play how u have fun

[digital mural]

glowstick power +1000%

[silent delta]

dead space 1 nightmare mode haunts my dreams.

[silent delta]

there is also some excellent meme potential which is wonderful

[prime musk]

i use boosters in 4p because team does so then i might as well
but would i prefer boosterless, yes i would

[ocean spindle]

'u would prefer' is different to 'doesn't count'

[grizzled patrol]

We need Glowstick lineups to flash as many sleepers as possible before entering the site

[prime musk]

yes i would prefer it specifically because it doesn't feel like a proper clear to me

[silent delta]

i wanna get custom boosters just so i can have a glow stick power +1094209127401274012794%

[ocean spindle]

so it still counts

that's our bottom line

[digital mural]

then do it

[ocean spindle]

let's go take breakfast people

nom

[silent delta]

dont tempt me

[digital mural]

do it, pussy

pussynaught

[silent delta]

you remember the piss booster

[silent delta]

i dont have one of those

[prime musk]

sure, lets say that

[digital mural]

you will soon if you dont get your custom booster

[silent delta]

forced bottom surgery

dont do that thats exactly what the conservatives think you're doing

dont lend credence to their claims

[frail heart]

so r1a1 boosterless is a real clear but r8e2 with boosters isnt?

[prime musk]

if you actually want to discuss this move to dms

[silent delta]

🫠

even if its not legit to you it may be legit to other people

and thats fine

[digital mural]

it counts as a clear

thats it

[silent delta]

if you dont like boosters dont use them and gently request your team not to use them

[prime musk]

yeah that's fine

[digital mural]

the game gives you as an option

using boosters

so it counts

[silent delta]

but if other people like using boosters (me) that doesnt mean their runs arent valid

[frail heart]

dont say it isnt a real clear tho

[silent delta]

you're handicapping youreslf for an extra challenge which is based

and they're playing the way they have fun which is also based

[prime musk]

boosters aren't fair in speedruns because you effectively have different weapons and a different level and i don't see how this changes when not speedrunning

[frail heart]

yeah boosters arent allowed in speedruns

[soft crater]

R8E2 custom boosters but with only negative effects

[silent delta]

its a different gun that the devs put in the game in vanilla

[soft crater]

[digital mural]

speedruns = casual runs?

bro

💀

[frail heart]

yeah for me just casual 1 minutes r8e2 😎

[soft crater]

Speedruns = Fast Vanilla runs

[frail heart]

tbf theres a different between fast runs and speedruns

[soft crater]

Iirc only Modlist is allowed just to prove no other mods are used

[digital mural]

mod spotted

[prime musk]

im not arguing that speedruns are the same as normal runs
im saying that the reasoning for no boosters being allowed in speedruns still holds for casual

[digital mural]

ban this guy

[soft crater]

Aside from that logs and etc to see if funny shit is going on

[frail heart]

mods arent allowed at all

[digital mural]

not really

[frail heart]

no it doesnt

its a different reason

[digital mural]

totally 2 different fields of playing

[prime musk]

ok so what's the reason for not habing boosters in speedruns

[soft crater]

Saying speedruns are the same as casual is funny.

[hazy wedge]

Mfw a random is arguing about speedruns with one of the mfs who verifies speedruns

💀

[frail heart]

bioscan speed boosters just made a tier speedrun wr's easy to beat

and others as well

[prime musk]

.

essentielly what i said

[frail heart]

no

lmao

[prime musk]

changes equipment

makes shit easier

[frail heart]

no

lmao

bioscan speed boosters make you go faster

which is what speedruns are all about

[ocean spindle]

speedruns are about the time not the difficulty

[frail heart]

yes

[prime musk]

oh i misread im stupid

i read biotracker speed

[frail heart]

i dont have an easier time speedrunning r2a1 with bioscan speed boosters lmao

[digital mural]

alrigth what the reason behind why speedruns are the same as casual runs?

[frail heart]

it just means i can get my sub 4:10

even sub 4

[prime musk]

i have never claimed this and will never do so because it's stupid

[civic furnace]

AWAKE?

[ocean spindle]

WOKENESS

[digital mural]

.

[prime musk]

that was based on a false assumption

[hazy wedge]

MY EYE WAS IRRITATING ME

[frail heart]

hello my favourite solo player

[civic furnace]

IM BAD

[frail heart]

carry me pls

[silent delta]

cant believe they made gtfo woke

[civic furnace]

can I get my samdown carry please

[prime musk]

if boosters are banned because bioscan speed it makes sense

[civic furnace]

I can only solo 1 level in it

dual scans stink

[frail heart]

maybe

[halcyon current]

Nice

[solar portal]

is there a list of rundowns sorted by avg completion time somewhere?

[soft crater]

I'd. Imagine it's more than just bio scan speed the reason they're banned from speed runs.

[frail heart]

yes

[soft crater]

Imagine speed runs with a aim God that can just one tap shooters/strikers

With DMR

Or just ignore infection entirely

[hazy wedge]

R1 average 20 mins easily

[tardy ingot]

Speedruns work of a different rule set than normal runs entirely anyhow

[tardy ingot]

A real r1a1 clear vs an r8e2 clear with help

Running 1000 meters without help vs 100.000 while riding a horse here and there

[tardy ingot]

Uuuh, its for rng reasons just adding that on here

[tardy ingot]

If only r1c1 wasnt that long…

[hardy grotto]

I can agree with this point I think

But mostly due to ladderfoam

I don’t particularly care about the boosters part

R2e1 got so boring when every run was just “I know this pretty good strat with foam on this level”

Sick man! I can’t possibly imagine what’s going to happen next!!

[lone mortar]

when stream

[safe cradle]

With ladderfoam eh

With vanilla boosters it's fine I guess

Hard to argue against vanilla boosters being NOT FINE when they're in the damn vanilla game since OG R5

It's starting to get a bit bizzarre to read such hate against them

sure they trivialize some content under certain circumstances

But they're in the game, so

Going by that extent some strategies also trivialize certain alarms but that's just how it is

Ladderfoam is shit because if done correctly it entirely destroys the point of the error

And because it's not intended

Same for doorbugging but doorbugging is just worse because all it needs is one door

[civic wave]

Yeah, boosters aren't the most egregious thing but they can still hinder your skill progression, which is my main point against them

If someone is spamming perfect boosters or using cheating boosters though, I will not hesitate to call them a clown

[safe cradle]

I could see the point for breakpoints on damage% like having enough so that guns that need headshot can onetap on body or stuff along those lines

But that's besides the "finishing a level with vanilla booster doesn't count" point

[safe cradle]

yeah those are shit and in fact they are not in the game

[silent delta]

ladderfoam is very convenient for the surges you can use it for but the error is still the hardest part of the level

[safe cradle]

It's not "convenient"

mobs aren't supposed to get stuck at a ladder

[prime musk]

just... ladderfoam the error?

[silent delta]

it is conveient even though it's (probably) not intentional

[safe cradle]

It's just something devs never bothered fixing

[silent delta]

where ladder

i mean you can foam the ladder at the start of the error to buy you some time

[prime musk]

same ladder as the one you foam for two alarms

[silent delta]

but it doesnt last forever

especially since the waves start spawning deep

[prime musk]

you spawncap up there then drop and foam

then you have like 4 min to do whatever

[civic wave]

Ladder foam is effectively doorbug with a limited timer

Like it's ridiculous

[safe cradle]

yes that's a nice analogy

[civic wave]

In speedruns, yes it is sometimes the strat but speedruns are a different game entirely

[halcyon current]

Isn't the real problem with door bug that it's a permanent thing?

[safe cradle]

there's a lot of problems with doorbug

it being permanent is only one of them

[silent delta]

depends on how you define "problems"

[digital mural]

And we go back to the main point of the convo
"Ladderfoam = run doesnt count"
Same with boosters

[silent delta]

in a sense, it being permanent is fantastic for you cuz you kind of dont have to worry about enemies for the rest of the level

[silent delta]

i really didnt mean to necro that whole argument

[narrow niche]

Frankly why does it matter if a run counts? It's a coop game, they're playing for their own enjoyment

[safe cradle]

Let's make an example: R4E1, you doorbug one door at the start and bang, goodbye tank error and alarms, then you go there, kill them, then do Extreme. Did it last forever? No but it made 1/2 of Main a breeze.

[digital mural]

Necro?

[silent delta]

revive an old an finished argument

[narrow niche]

Restart/reply to an old argument

[silent delta]

usually used on ancient forums that someone posts on

[halcyon current]

The only reason I bring up door bug being permanent is that it's not like ladder foam is there the rest of the game

[digital mural]

Why the fuck is necro a word for that

Jesus

[safe cradle]

I get your angle but that's a dead end for the conversation... it also doesn't stand to the test of "I managed to finish R2E1" yeah you finished it by abusing bugs

[halcyon current]

It buys you some time

[narrow niche]

I guess

[civic wave]

you doorbug 455 and have to deal with no enemy spawns for cells section
then you doorbug 459 and deal with no enemy spawns for the rest of the level

[tardy ingot]

To me its always a „its cheap“ but it counts either way

Ladderfoam is leaning into that even further

[silent delta]

i mean if you funny door in teh right spot could you not also turn off the reactor waves

[halcyon current]

Has been literally forever, like bringing back a corpse

[digital mural]

English is weird

[civic wave]

this is marketed as a hardcore game I guess

there should be struggle behind achievements, in the spirit of the game

but whether you prescribe to that view is another matter entirely

[narrow niche]

I'm just not sure what the point of arguing this is when someone who bugged is probably gonna do it anyways

[safe cradle]

I disagree on the ladderfoam being on the same level (even remotely) as boosters, boosters are vanilla and intended.

[silent delta]

i mean i know i wouldnt feel satisfied or fulfilled if i blocked pablo in his starting room and then breezed through the entire level
but its a coop game and the point is to have fun, and if you have a party of four people who are all ok with it, adn they want to funny door, who are we to stop them

[digital mural]

Blocking Pablo
Shame

[silent delta]

i would never

[digital mural]

(i did it once)

[silent delta]

you monster

ive only tried r7e1 like twice

[digital mural]

:)

[safe cradle]

Yeah not like I can stop people from cheating anyway, that's not the point

[civic wave]

they can do it, I can't stop them from doing it, but they should not brag about it or treat it as an achievement

[narrow niche]

To be fair you don't even have to door bug to get Pablo stuck

[halcyon current]

Alright so like

[safe cradle]

I just get annoyed by the comparison to vanilla boosters since it's IMHO 100% absurd

[silent delta]

last time i tried r7e1 i was newer to the game, my single friend i was playing with and i saw an immortal tank and were like "ok thats a problem for another day"

[tardy ingot]

intended to help
Not intended/designed around

Also they arent on the same level. Ladderfoam leans into the exploits area but can be counted as just „cheap“ boosters imo are only „cheap“

[silent delta]

yeah but yk what i mean

[halcyon current]

Ladder foam vs sticking yourself in a spot where sleepers can't really hit you anymore, what's worse in your eyes?

[silent delta]

it feels different when its the game breaking of its own accord rather than me doing it deliberately

[tardy ingot]

Gotta remember how BUSTED boosters can be

[safe cradle]

Cfoam is fine, ladderfoam is not? and I dont get the "help" angle?

Going by that logic cheating helps so it's fine?

[tardy ingot]

Ladderfoam*

[safe cradle]

Did I read wrong? my bad

[safe cradle]

Ehhhh I think only damage% on certain guns are truly 100% undoubtably busted, really...

[tardy ingot]

None of the levels are designed with boosters in mind. None of the guns or enemies are

Boosters are there for 2 reasons.

1. to be of help to people struggling
2. to give people smth after a run

The first is a good idea with flawed execution. The 2nd is such a meme

[tardy ingot]

I misstyped

[narrow niche]

Where's my weapon unlocks...

[digital mural]

Oh My god

You remind me of that one guy

[hardy grotto]

congratulatiosn for beating r2a1! you're awarded with the hel rifle!

[safe cradle]

None are designed to need boosters but boosters are in the game and work as they should, I dont get the comparison with an exploit

[silent delta]

hey you made it to the hardest rundown in the game! heres a burst pistol

[safe cradle]

It really doesn't matter how easy boosters make things, they are in the game, work as they should, aren't the result of a glitch or an exploit, so...

[tardy ingot]

Main dmg dmr/hel revo (and others less insane ones)

Special dmg revo/pr/hel gun/combat shotty etc

Regen cap/resist boosters remove a lot of the games punishment

Supply/med efficiency make ressource management a meme (even moreso)

Bio speed trivializes a lot of things

Infec resist rolls some levels mechanic entirely

[halcyon current]

I think there's a 3rd reason in that they're a little dopamine drip when nothing else is going correctly

[safe cradle]

yes

[halcyon current]

"Oh hey, a booster, nice"

[safe cradle]

All of those are in the game and work as they should

I feel the comparison with exploits as unfair

[tardy ingot]

congratulations on beating r8e2, you obtained the golden assault rifle

[narrow niche]

GTFO golden weapons when

[hardy grotto]

id take the golden skins

[silent delta]

sentry cpu speed makes turrets significantly better

[safe cradle]

And to be honest your examples only work if you consider a full team with stacked %s

[hardy grotto]

id be repping the golden hel revo golden hel gun all day

[digital mural]

No shit sherlock

[silent delta]

wheres my golden maul

[digital mural]

My Golden spear where

[safe cradle]

which I'd say it's a bit unrepresentative of how boosters get usually to be used

[silent delta]

in the garbage where it belongs

[halcyon current]

GTFO with CoD mastery challenges where you have to clear every rundown 1000 times with PE for the ultra rare camo that looks like a galaxy swirling on your gun

[digital mural]

You mean your house?

[silent delta]

they should add gtfo lootboxes

[fallen kite]

kill a tank w pistol for gold camo

[tardy ingot]

Honestly
Considering how boosters range from garbage trash to overpowered and the devs balancing history
I dont think they are working as they should

[halcyon current]

Get 500 headshots on Scouts with Hel Rifle for the Red Tiger camo

[tardy ingot]

No only the most picked guns

So AR, bullpup and smg

Shotgun, sniper and i dont remember the 3rd

[hardy grotto]

NOOOOOO

[silent delta]

devs need to buff glow stick power boosters

[hardy grotto]

me arguing with the golden ar user

[silent delta]

wasnt it pump shotty combat shotty and sniper

[hardy grotto]

and they hit me with the "erm, who has the golden weapon?"

losing so hard

[tardy ingot]

[silent delta]

go back to tf2 nerd

[tardy ingot]

I always think combat ye

[silent delta]

high cal users rise up

[narrow niche]

High cal but when low cal...

[tardy ingot]

id bet og r7 had high cal in the top 3

[safe cradle]

I'd say most boosters are in the 1st category usually because you either roll shit %s or weird negatives that can be a pain to deal with like -melee dmg

[tardy ingot]

beginners going "this is a better sniper"

[silent delta]

was that before it was buffed to 30 damage?

[tardy ingot]

melee dmg doesnt even matter that much tbh

[narrow niche]

"Hel sniper"

[safe cradle]

And ladderfoam or doorbugging are 100% not supposed to be there to begin with

[civic wave]

i want a bronze patina burst cannon

[tardy ingot]

unless you play hammer and bodyshot strikers or want to back dmg only kill giants (or bbcs)

[safe cradle]

Unlike boosters

[tardy ingot]

that is true

[civic wave]

hey don't some people use mods to make their weapons shiny silver

[tardy ingot]

imo it goes roughly

gamebreaking exploit/hard cheat > exploit/cheat > cheese > cheap

door bug is 1st

ladderfoam is between cheese and exploit

boosters are cheap

boosters can be cheesy if you overstock the right ones

team with full infection resist >100% on r5e1

is free to play

[safe cradle]

To that I can agree but I'd put a gigantic wall defended with sharks between category exploit and category cheese

[tardy ingot]

well its not this direct, its mostly about soft transitions

[halcyon current]

What about sharks with freakin lasers?

[safe cradle]

ehhh you need a team to overstock the same shit or only good shit

[tardy ingot]

do they get kraken tentacles?

[safe cradle]

it's simply not gonna happen IMHO

[tardy ingot]

even 1 player with insane boosters is a massive upgrade

the thing is that boosters heavily scale with player skill (and knowledge)

[safe cradle]

damage sure

bioscan speed is borked no matter who slots it

[tardy ingot]

nah generally

[safe cradle]

same for supply

[tardy ingot]

bioscan speed is probably the one that scales the least tho yea

supply efficiency on vets lets them shoot up every level bar R7C3 from start to finish

[safe cradle]

yes and they also have that weird effect that looking at them makes the camera go wonky until you get damage

[lone mortar]

SLEEPO!

[soft crater]

That one player with Enough Melee to Oneshot Giants

[prime musk]

to optimise hel gun pen should i stand up and aim for heads or crouch and aim for body

[soft crater]

In a perfect scenario to get headshot pens

[tardy ingot]

whatever works better in the situation applies usually
it wont be that common to get both pen and headshots at the same time

but both singular are still strong. Or sometimes headshot into a bs pen

[soft crater]

Or just double tap pen bodies

[tardy ingot]

usually youd crouch

[prime musk]

yeah im split between standing and headshotting and therefore shooting a bit downwards, lowering pen chance
and crouching and bodyshot to maximise pen

[hard nexus]

Headshots worked much better for me in r8d2

[soft crater]

Have you seen the up to date list yet?

[hard nexus]

Then again I don't have the frames do willingly double tap and know what I'm doing

[tardy ingot]

the what

[soft crater]

Albeit I'm positive ppl used different criterias

[prime musk]

ill try headshotting again i suppose

[tardy ingot]

oh that one

[prime musk]

shit isn't dying fast enough

[tardy ingot]

yea people use very different criteria and some legit are using ???

[soft crater]

Goats was weapons they didn't like iirc

[hard nexus]

Tbh u really need to practice hel gun headshots for awhile get consistent at it and fast and then you will see it shine

[soft crater]

Ray/Gerz worst picks per slot or smth

[hard nexus]

I used to think hel gun is shit until I got good

[soft crater]

Imean. Helgun 2 shots regular shooters/strikers

[hard nexus]

I can't confirm or deny that I play with 20 fps

[soft crater]

Albeit without pens it's not particularly ammo effiecnt

[hard nexus]

Mostly I miss my shots

[tardy ingot]

2 shooting without pens is slightly less than most 30 dmg guns

[hard nexus]

Sometimes I get in the zone and hel gun turns into obliteration machine

[soft crater]

I cringe inside when I see ppl shooting hel rifle like it's high cal.

[tardy ingot]

also man
i know the arguments

but unless you are specifically only playing the niche for sniper, theres no way arbalist is worse (in context of solo, full team taking it, team taking guns for its roles that are simply better or team forgoing the guns sharing said role)

[soft crater]

I just wish I wasn't modded Arby pilled

[tardy ingot]

with arbalist you basically perform at a low level, but you do it overall in a lot of spots (all waveclear, baby clear. Doesnt troll when shooting giants (not that its good lol)

sniper basically forces you to not do anything BUT its job which is incredibly niche. Doing anything else is gonna be bad, so the loadout is incredibly limiting

i might come around with AR below slug tho

[hard nexus]

So short rifle is better than sniper?

[soft crater]

Short rifle has bad stagger but can still get through just through sheer dps

[hard nexus]

Sheer dps sounds like it's very strong

[soft crater]

Doesn't make it "good" though

[soft crater]

I mean it in the sense. It's usable

[tardy ingot]

personally
its more likely to do something if you plug it into any situation. But its among the worst for its niche and doesnt go into any other niches better than the other wavelcear options

sniper is a niche gun with no other options

the r8e2 burst pistol, short rifle is miles easier than doing the same with 4 snipers due to how sniper works

[hard nexus]

I see some ppl putting machineguns in their worst load out

Maybe I need to play with them a bit more

But I reckon short rifle or sniper are better contenders for that slot

[tardy ingot]

veruta rly isnt the worst
arbalist also isnt "the worst"

but arbalist is very slow and its output doesnt counter balance that

[prime musk]

there is no way
sure sniper sucks but at least you can
-kill scouts
-kill kraken
-one tap nightmares
-kill hybrids
-spam sniper on mom (it sucks but it does more than short rifle, and with 8 sniper shots you at least kill it)

[tardy ingot]

uuuuh

short rifle is better vs mom than sniper

did you know, sniper is the slowest gun in the game when it comes to killing mom?

and yes, that includes mains

[prime musk]

yes if you have 1 of them but 4 players with sniper can shoot 2 shots each in 3 seconds

which kills? i think?

[tardy ingot]

and if you dont hit a bubble you waste massive amount of ammo
you waste ammo anyway tbh
plus you haven o baby clear

[prime musk]

burst pistol

[tardy ingot]

short rifle solo clears babies and the others kill

(yes 8 shots, aka 4 full mags kill, but 1 miss = ass)

[prime musk]

fair

still that's 4 points left in favour of sniper

[little pilot]

short rifle is a lot better than sniper

[little pilot]

those 4 points dont matter taking into account u run out of ammo on wave 1 of reactor thus only allowing for long kiting to actually complete the mission

actually since u can use mains too you probably run out on wave 3

[tardy ingot]

• scouts technically can also just be killed by short rifle... or melee
• kraken dies to anthing, but yes thats one of snipers "best" points
• yea, and then you dont have ammo after 1 wave

[little pilot]

wait how dogshit is burst pistol into reactor wave r8e2?

[tardy ingot]

and well for hybrids, thats snipers best spot

but you are still out of ammo

[prime musk]

since when can short rifle kill scouts

[tardy ingot]

and cant hold any waves

[prime musk]

how

[tardy ingot]

a lot of guns can

[little pilot]

20cps

[tardy ingot]

short rifle can kill charger scouts

nah even without that tgb

you can just hit occiput shots

[prime musk]

ok so macro short rifle got it

[tardy ingot]

click fast by yourself works too

[little pilot]

20 cps is not macro btw

[tardy ingot]

thats true

click fast -> dies

[little pilot]

10 cps is achievable without anything special too

[tardy ingot]

a lot of full autos (main guns) can kill scouts

[halcyon current]

Binding fire to scroll wheel up>macro

[little pilot]

it is called butterfly clicking not rebinding that

but yeah, 10 cps is VERY easily achievable

[prime musk]

ammo management in e2 idk about sniper probably dies there if you say so

ig short rifle has the ammo efficiency

[halcyon current]

Oh I just find it funny

[little pilot]

oh and yeah i was about to say if u only get 20 cps with rebinding that way something went wrong

[tardy ingot]

sniper sounds nice against nightmares (hey you arent wasting much dmg right?)

but you get 5.1 kills/refill
shor rifle without any crit hits gets 8+

[prime musk]

half stagger against waves of nightmares, go

[tardy ingot]

short rifles 1 strength is having a bunch of ammo
so while its quite shit, it can power through at some point if you are good enough

most guns dont stagger nightmares well anyhow

you either kill or have actual stagger guns do it

[prime musk]

tru

[hazy wedge]

Legendary sleepy would disagree

[tardy ingot]

20 stagger hp go hard (and no limb breaks)

[little pilot]

also keep in mind since team of 4 you do loose even more kills/refill cause overkill with sniper

with short rifle it is a lot more managable

wait can you ensure no overkills?

ehhh, could theoretically be done so it should be ignored

[tardy ingot]

?

[little pilot]

overkill = 2 people shooting the same enemy

and both hit him cause client vs host shenanigans

[red flax]

Anyone know how wide the doors are?

[tardy ingot]

for what :o?

[halcyon current]

Trying to give your mom a tour?

[little pilot]

one door apart

8m for a wide door

i think 4m for a small door but not 100%sure and cant test right now

[red flax]

Curious about trip mine interactions. So far we've been placing them such that the mine does not explode into the next room. If a mine has a 1.5 meter radius, I'd like to know how many mines would explode everything behind it

If they were placed perpendicular to the door of course

[tardy ingot]

1 for small doors, 3 for big

but its not worth it for big doors (the only time ive ever done it was blood doors that have smth in front of them)
for small doors it can be quite effective

[red flax]

Good to know. Been getting killed a few times to the blood doors and scan in r5b3

[safe cradle]

Ah that one, IIRC one door has something+tank, one has Hybrids and one has BBCs, BBCs are bad because they're what IMHO can get you down the fastest

I usually tell people to mine the shit out of the BBC one and that does it

[red flax]

Yeah, we've been doing 3 per door

[safe cradle]

I think the one in front of the entrance has the tank

I think left has BBCs and right has hybrids but I could be wrong

[red flax]

Including disposable mines which I just learned does 30 damage instead of 50

[safe cradle]

I'd just place 1 on tank sec door and place 1 extra in the others

Also IIRC there's enemies behind the door itself that alert

[red flax]

If so they're all giants

[safe cradle]

So placing ALL three mines on door ain't gonna do much I think

[silent delta]

fucking what

[red flax]

Was looking at one of the doors when it opened, looked at only 5 or so giant chargers behind it. Unsure how effective the mines were

[silent delta]

thats a thing????????

[red flax]

Unless the wiki lies

Which it might because Fandom

[safe cradle]

point is if you placed ALL mines at the door they're just gonna blow up whatever spawns on the door itself

[silent delta]

@safe cradle can u confirm this

[red flax]

Where should mines be placed? Staggered or in a clump?

[safe cradle]

Not the numbers man you should ask Darkeva about that shit but let me fetch the info somewhere

Also because it has falloff

[safe cradle]

When I did R5B3 I had 1 at the door then spaced a bit enough not to end up having domino effect

and close to where their pathing was

[red flax]

Gotcha

[silent delta]

unless you know there's gonna be big bois, one is usually enough

[safe cradle]

it's also the LAST time you're gonna need mines considering you can funnel the last alarm of main

[red flax]

We've gotten to the tanks alone once, at which point we misunderstood the alarm spawn rules and got overwhelmed

[silent delta]

i mean id believe it cuz im stupid, but ive never once heard that

[red flax]

Is the games code available anywhere? How are people getting these exact numbers and formulae on the wiki

[silent delta]

i think there is some datamining

should ask @tardy ingot

[safe cradle]

ah

Now I remember

I think we had that discussion some time ago but I cant remember the details

I remember Docred implying they changed that and rectified the damage of both mines a fucktillion of years ago

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

Quoting Goat

#gtfo-related-questions message

So I assume yeah, they do different damages

[narrow niche]

So close...

35...

[tardy ingot]

35 as said below

they do 4x friendly fire tho in visible dmg

so uh, dont tank them either anyhow

[safe cradle]

Wonder if both have same range/falloff, weird shape of the explosion thing too

[silent delta]

dude

700 hours

i never knew this

[red flax]

Not surprising honestly, its such a specific thing

[safe cradle]

I wonder if you take ALL blood doors and put the ones that spawn only normals against the ones that spawn anything else what's the ratio between them

[narrow niche]

Not much would cause you to notice

[safe cradle]

Assuming also the enemies inside said blood door room

[livid stone]

No

[prime musk]

#gtfo-media message
how do i prevent enemies from breaking this door in r3a3

holding when they come through both doors suck

and it just seems like rng to me whether they break the door or not

[prime musk]

(and holding there rather than bridge is just better)

[past mesa]

Close

The outer door

So they don’t make it in that room in the first place

[prime musk]

so i funnel enemies through the downstairs door?

[past mesa]

No

[prime musk]

??

[past mesa]

You have to close

All door

[prime musk]

i close both doors?

[past mesa]

Going into B

[past mesa]

You close all doors in a

Besides the one you want them to take

Does that make sense r

Wait