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#gtfo-related-questions
narrow niche
lone mortar
worst input
narrow niche
Funny joke
lone mortar
to make right there
narrow niche
Laugh now
halcyon current
how does the mission naming convention work?
obviously RX is your rundown
but whats the internal logic to the mission names?
dry pumice
but whats the internal logic to the mission names?
What, names themselves? Like BOLT and shit?
Usually has some basic relevance to what the mission is about
dry pumice
A = Easy
B = Normal
C = Advanced
D = Hard
E = Very Hard
silk radish
Letter & number is a rough indicator of mission difficulty
Higher letters and numbers means harder level
halcyon current
but there's no like "E missions are always this" so on so forth, outside difficulty
silk radish
E Tier missions always have some sort of unique gimmick that you have to deal with
bold ginkgo
surge alarms lol
silk radish
Surge alarms, shadow giants, scaling error alarm
Those were unique to R2E1, but have been reused in later levels
halcyon current
i see, thank you all btw
dry pumice
Its just general outliner as to how much bullshit the devs are ready to throw at you
B is usually just a tiny bit above A with basic difficulty modifiers
So As are like just normal enemies, Class 2-3 alarms, sometimes rarely 4...
B are pretty much all class 4 as base, might be some fog
Then C hits and starts getting creative with weird objectives
And then they just throw everything at once for E
R2E1 is pretty much exclusively surge alarms save for 1.
R4E1 is... Rough beginning and then long grind through some of the most horrific stealth sections in the game. With fog and shit, of curse, can't without it.
halcyon current
R2E1 is infact exclusively surge alarms except for 1
im looking forward to R4E1 ngl
i feel like once i complete R4 ill have a real grasp on the game
silk radish
R4E1 has a mean reactor as well
dry pumice
Its fun in a weird way. But mean, very mean. The final surprise of that level is death to blind squads.
halcyon current
i love fun in a mean way ngl
R2E1, retrospectively, is the most fun ive had in this game yet
dry pumice
Really?
Most people come out from that level with PTSD and want to never go back
I'm one of them. Fuck that level.
halcyon current
yeah, it was the most challenging level to date, and tbh thats what made it fun. its the first level that took more then 3 tries
hazy wedge
Most people come out from that level with PTSD and want to never go back
R2E1 p*bs
mossy aurora
Surge alarms, shadow giants, scaling error alarm
Those were unique to R2E1, but...
Shadow giants are in R1d1, not sure about og r1 though
dry pumice
Who the hell were you playing with that it took only 3 tries
ocean spindle
Shadow giants are in R1d1, not sure about og r1 though
no??????
halcyon current
Who the hell were you playing with that it took only 3 tries
R2E1 took like
ocean spindle
theres no shadow giants in OG nor alt
hazy wedge
theres no shadow giants in OG nor alt
This is correct
halcyon current
maybe 4
halcyon current
tbh i didnt really count my R2E1 attempts
it took 4 odd days of pubbing
got it first try on the 4th day tho
long ember
Kinda curious how easy/hard it is to find people to play old rundowns. Planning on starting alt R5 and R6 at some point since I played the OG and did not want to play super long levels
tardy ingot
R5 levels are long tho 
?
craggy pier
R5 has the longest levels
silk radish
Alt r5 has some really long levels (cough cough R5D1)
I’d recommend you do R6
tardy ingot
theres some shorter ones (like A2pe) and forcibly B4 but most are long
the common starting recommendations should be
R1, R3 or R6
halcyon current
Kinda curious how easy/hard it is to find people to play old rundowns. Planning ...
I've had objectively no issue finding pubs for rundown 1-3 so far, can't imagine that's gonna change for 4-6
ocean spindle
every rundown has long and short levels, they just said that they played the og but didnt complete the super long ones i guess
tardy ingot
R1 and R3 have very short levels and very simple ones
R1 is just the basic start
R3 is more interesting but kinda in the middle
R6 is more medium and has fun stuff for beginners but might be overwhelming. Plus its a bit far in
long ember
I've had objectively no issue finding pubs for rundown 1-3 so far, can't imagine...
Interesting, honestly is pretty cool people are storm playing old rundowns
halcyon current
The people who play this game seem to play it a lot, so when you've done everything I guess you can do whatever you want after
long ember
R1 and R3 have very short levels and very simple ones
R1 is just the basic start...
I just want to see the completions for all the rundowns
Avoided R5 and R6 cuz they are so long
tardy ingot
every rundown has long and short levels, they just said that they played the og ...
kinda depends on what bubu meant
if they meant og r1 or so with long levels then thats just taken from a false viewpoint
obviously R5 missions are shorter if you only do mains btw
A1, A2, B1, B2, B4 are all quite short as main
R6 isnt really that long
only some of the D tiers become a tad longer (D4 specifically for newer players)
long ember
I ment all levels 
tepid sand
I ment all levels <:prisonerefficiency:768796112219144216>
Steam achievement but even then that's not accurate
long ember
I guess, prob bad memory and I was more noob back then
Felt like R5 and R6 was a slog to fully complete
tepid sand
ocean spindle
I guess, prob bad memory and I was more noob back then
couldve been it level completion speed always depends on skill
tepid sand
That's global achievement
tardy ingot
void
they didnt mean all levels PE total
i "asked" about whether Main or PE for R5/6
@tepid sand 
long ember
Honestly I just want to be able to say I have done everything
tepid sand
Then you want the sum total achievement lol
long ember
Well maybe not finding all the lore logs
tardy ingot
thats gonna take a while
long ember
Hmm
tardy ingot
have you fully done R4?
long ember
I’ve done pretty much everything. Just a few levels left in R8
Then it’s just R5 and R6
tardy ingot
do R5 and R6
well at least R6
R6 is so quick
and difficulty wise its mid/high
def below 4,5 and 8s peaks (and also 7 generally)
tardy ingot
waitin on scaler ari n ago
lone mortar
waitin on scaler ari n ago
no slot for me 
?
craggy pier
nope
craggy pier
mild yoke
How would one find schaeffers bucket?
civic wave
R6Bx
Search up r6bx and someone somewhere has left a message with more info about it
Wiki as well
twin apex
does DMR and Double tap scope has the same zoom
soft crater
The zoom is the same iirc
soft crater
DMR has actual zoom, but it's low
That's just the sights. not the actual magnifications
halcyon current
That's just the sights. not the actual magnifications
Wiki says it's magnified but I have no image perms
I know DTR has no zoom on it, and I believe DMR is 1.25 or something but there's defo zoom on it
native badge
so
im trying to complete r1c1 with bots because I lack friends
anyone have advice on that
odd pasture
3 bots?
native badge
hooh yeah
ive tried 3-4 times
the first section is easy u literally just dont get caught
but the end is tricky
since you have to be the one to put the code in
odd pasture
what sentries are you bringing?
odd pasture
scanner on bot
native badge
well yeah but i found myself wanting to see for myself but I get your point
odd pasture
take at least one sniper sentry
hold on bridge outside of reactor
but honestly try to get at least one more person to play with
reactors suck with bots
hidden ridge
well yeah but i found myself wanting to see for myself but I get your point
bot instascans more or less as soon as a new enemy not scanned is in range and they do 360 scanning shit
DO NOT go somewhere the bots cant reach you because they'd be stuck trying to reach you (goodbye, truck)
And try not to place all sentries aside from waves 4-6-8 which have hybrids
lone mortar
bot instascans more or less as soon as a new enemy not scanned is in range and t...
180
360 is abit over board
frosty creek
what does the "Toggle Gear" button do ?
hidden ridge
what does the "Toggle Gear" button do ?
isn't that the one that basically switches from weapon to your tool and viceversa?
frosty creek
yeah thats the one lol
prisma pond
Someone got the success about being dropped for 100km ? do we just have to be dropped or play like 5min to get the count or do we have to finish the level ?
native sun
Finish the level
prisma pond
hmm source xD ?
native sun
Devs
hidden ridge
hmm source xD ?
no, unity
prisma pond
So can we get a track ?
hidden ridge
So can we get a track ?
I dont think so unless you remember which ones you completed, no. But I think you need around 80 r8a1
you can make a rough guess if you had some finished already
prisma pond
since achievement went with R8, we just done like 1 or 2 times each lvl of R8 and nothing else cause we died each time we dropped for logs ><
ashen frigate
since achievement went with R8, we just done like 1 or 2 times each lvl of R8 an...
You just need to play more :)
hidden ridge
what's the name for the blaring thing that does the noise when we start alarm... a siren?
like, in english?
noble wind
siren light?
hidden ridge
no I mean the noise
olive robin
What's the sound sound like
hidden ridge
how do you call the thing that produces the noise
noble wind
megaphone?
hidden ridge
yeah like that but I think there's an easier word?
olive robin
how do you call the thing that produces the noise
A speaker? A klaxon?
hidden ridge
speaker is interesting, thanks
noble wind
klaxon beat
craggy pier
siren loudspeaker
finite oracle
can tripmine do any sort of damage to tumor related enemies
hidden ridge
can tripmine do any sort of damage to tumor related enemies
I think 7 mines can kill a tank so yes
finite oracle
do they need to be placed in any way shape of form like on the floor or on the wall, is there an effective placement?
hidden ridge
do they need to be placed in any way shape of form like on the floor or on the w...
good question, I remember placing them all up on a door aeons ago when I used to do that shit on og r4
noble wind
effective placement would on a ceiling facing down
hidden ridge
how can 7 mines kill a tank by the way
cant remember how many tbh
craggy pier
it should be 20
noble wind
but on the side at a specific height can do it too
hidden ridge
I remember people questioning a chinese guy's video cause there he killed a tank with just 4
which also doesn't have math add up
it's not something I do anymore so I've no idea of the actual numbers but I'm pretty sure it CAN be done
craggy pier
the wiki agrees with yu
it says 7 mines
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
could the wiki be dishonest
the tank has 3x weakpoint on the tumors
3x 50 is 150 dmg per mine and with that you would indeed just need 7
craggy pier
then wait
noble wind
so if it doesnt die it either missed all the dmg or its very low hp
craggy pier
it's either the tumors takin 3x explosive damage, or it's the tank taking the explosion directly to its hp
noble wind
directly to its hp
craggy pier
and since the tumors don't pop i think it's the tank taking the damage
so it either has a 3x weakness to explosions or the tanks health is actually 333
and the 1000hp figure on the wiki is calculated with the resistance when you just shoot at the front
Im confused
craggy pier
but it's not hitting the tumors
noble wind
it is otherwise it doesnt do much dmg to the tank
the tumors dont explode for whatever reason
noble wind
biden moment
dry pumice
You're telling me 3 mines can klll a hybrid
noble wind
yes
tardy ingot
I remember people questioning a chinese guy's video cause there he killed a tank...
That guy just cheated most likely
Tank takes dmg from mines by them hitting the tumors
But the mines dont actually damage the tumors
dry pumice
Maximum spaghetti
normal slate
Yo how do you kill those big guys easily? I've got two other people I play with and we deeply struggle with killing all types of the big guys. (we're beginners btw)
topaz anvil
Yo how do you kill those big guys easily? I've got two other people I play with ...
For regular giants and their female counterparts, all of you should charge your melee at the same time and hit their back at the same time
For other giants it will be far safer to shoot them into nothingness
normal slate
alright
Thanks a ton 🙂
wait
are the female counterparts the ones that shoot projectiles?
cloud fox
boys punch, girls shoot, yah
safe drum
Boyss lick
dry pumice
Yo how do you kill those big guys easily? I've got two other people I play with ...
Sniper Rifle, Scattergun, Burst Cannon.
- Sniper Rifle nukes them with a single headshot, almost any range.
- Scattergun does the same, but only point blank to the stomach.
- BC takes 2 bursts to kill a Big Striker and 3 to kill Big Shooters (unless head). Twice the kill time, but is very simple to use at medium distance.
TL:DR - you need a dedicated anti-giant man.
safe drum
That's why I always take scattergun
normal slate
okay understood 🫡
craggy pier
dont use sniper right now it's bad
civic wave
there are other high damage single shot guns that work reasonably well for big guys as well
craggy pier
it's not safe for you rn
normal slate
I will make sure to tell my psychopath friends this
civic wave
having someone with high cal pistol or hel rifle can take a chunk out of their hp pool
safe drum
I take scartergun incase there was a bigger boy
dry pumice
Choke Mode Shotgun, High Caliber Pistol, HEL Rifle and Pump Action shotgun deal 30 damage respectively and kill giants in 4 flawless shots (no damage fall off or misses).
dry pumice
No, not really.
civic wave
high cal has short range but it's simple
dry pumice
Half damage fall off, and recoil with fire rate make it slightly worse.
craggy pier
high cal needs 1-2m more range
civic wave
high cal has enough ammo already
craggy pier
just to touch chargers easily
dry pumice
Choke Mode has surprising damage fall off at 15m and can shoot REAL fast, so you can just mag dump giants XM1014 style.
safe drum
high cal has enough ammo already
I can just use hel rifle
dry pumice
Only 1 kill per magazine, unfortunately.
safe drum
Instead of it and in the most situations it works better
dry pumice
HEL Rifle is alright too yeah. Especially if you can align the giants.
civic wave
high cal does get more bullets than hel rifle
of course it has less range and no pen but it fires faster
dry pumice
1 bullet per refill or something
craggy pier
btw hel gun also works really well
civic wave
and if you're bad at playing pen then you probably get more high cal value anyway
dry pumice
I think there's been convo about it recently and HCP really feels like a downgrade
HEL Rifle just allows you to do more with very little sacrifices
The worst thing i can blame it for is that insane reload time, but that's it.
civic wave
The worst thing i can blame it for is that insane reload time, but that's it.
I blame it for the players using it and continually getting teamshot
very funny to intentionally line up a teammate with 1 striker though
dry pumice
hel gun 8 shots it
Wasn't it 9?
dry pumice
Oh, you mean for giants
Yeah. You can kill one per mag, maybe 2-3 if you align them
Not really worth it, but its an option
craggy pier
why not
civic wave
it's hard to get perfect pen but it's absolutely worth it
tardy ingot
High caliber was better if it hhadd more ammo
Thats basically every gun
But no, high cal doesnt struggle with ammo.
tardy ingot
high cal needs 1-2m more range
High cal doesnt need buffs
the weapon is already good
craggy pier
but its fckin annoyin
dealing 29.99 damage to chargers because their tounges are the size of florida
tardy ingot
its supposed to be a weakness
lol
If you want to shoot chargers far away pick hel rifle
hel rifle suffers far more close up unless you line up A LOT
tardy ingot
sniper too
dry pumice
Respectfully disagree. Also easily solved by making range 9m or even 10m. Not even a major buff or anything.
tardy ingot
tardy ingot
Respectfully disagree. Also easily solved by making range 9m or even 10m. Not ev...
„Not even“
dry pumice
...also solved by increasing damage to like 32 but that's besides the point
tardy ingot
says artek, god of random weapon changes
what do you SOLVE
there is no issue that makes the gun weak
its already a rly good weapon wtf
dry pumice
Just adding an extra window of safety against what Elbow mentioned.
tardy ingot
thats like saying hel rifle should get a buff that lowers its cooldown after firing because hel gun is better and doesnt have it
lone mortar
@dry pumice E2 run again?
tardy ingot
BRUH
dry pumice
Don't know if he's right though
neon gust
Just adding an extra window of safety against what Elbow mentioned.
you can add a window of safety by waiting to be in range
crazy i know
dry pumice
I just really don't want chargers to have a chance or any sort of advantage
Fuck them.
dry pumice
Oh, it does.
Just deals some 30 damage overkill...
lone mortar
Oh, it does.
Just deals some 30 damage overkill...
imagine
where a world that we take full control
is considered evil
ocean spindle
its r8e1 feasible 3 bots ksmdkm
by feasible i mean like possible in paper and in practice, not like 'oh yea r7d1 its possible but rng dependant'
thorny creek
It is but it's annoying
ocean spindle
leave my tacos pls
open osprey
agreed. I got to just before the checkpoint with just bots
forgot to grab the key doe
thorny creek
But duo with bots, 100% doable
tardy ingot
its r8e1 feasible 3 bots ksmdkm
by feasible i mean like possible in paper and in...
Main is chill
Secondary is a bit annoying at times
wispy jetty
My friends and I have been making it down the first run down and we were curious about the sniper.
Looking online people seem to be complaining about some sorta nerf so we got a few questions:
Can you effectively kill scouts with the sniper?
How bad are the nerfs and why do people dislike them?
tardy ingot
My friends and I have been making it down the first run down and we were curious...
-
yes. But so can a LOT of other weapons
Hel rifle, precision rifle
High cal, choke mod shotgun, burst cannon
Shotgun, scattergun, sawed off, slug shotgun -
sniper basically doesnt have a use unless you want to kill hybrids safely. For normal giants scattergun, burst cannon and hel rifle (with pen) are similarly good. While also having actual use vs other stuff.
Sniper was already kinda balanced at best. But very fun to play. They heavily reduced its up time (longer reload cancel, less bullets per mag, longer delay between shots) and made it ass to play with
dry pumice
Magazine size 3 > 2
Fire rate > reduced
Reload speed > reduced (not in the patch notes)
arctic marten
My friends and I have been making it down the first run down and we were curious...
Yes, you can kill scouts with the sniper, though there are many other weapons which do this just as well and are more versatile.
I think people dislike the sniper nerfs because there wasn't really a reason for them. Sniper used to have 3 shots per mag, shorter reload, and about 2 fewer reserve ammo. Of the "giant killing" weapons (sniper, scattergun, burst cannon) it was considered the weakest and was pretty ammo inefficient, then got nerfed for seemingly no reason, making it still the worst.
dry pumice
Previously you could kill 3 giants with headshots in a row. Now you kill 2, and you kill them slower.
ocean spindle
Main is chill
Secondary is a bit annoying at times
well what elbow said pros are just on a fuckin other level lol
e tier just means b tier
wispy jetty
I see, thanks y'all
tardy ingot
Yes, you can kill scouts with the sniper, though there are many other weapons wh...
To add to this for some context:
Sniper was the least efficient vs boss targets and smalls. Vs giants it was always pretty much up there on efficiency
arctic marten
To add to this for some context:
Sniper was the least efficient vs boss targets ...
yes perhaps I should have specified that it was the fastest for giants, but by far the least versatile
narrow niche
How many shots is it per mom with sniper
dry pumice
too many
tardy ingot
its not even in the top 10
dry pumice
should be 5, its probably 10
narrow niche
Hey I need the data 🙏
tardy ingot
hell it wasnt even before the nerf
narrow niche
Just how bad is it
tardy ingot
its 8
narrow niche
My god
dry pumice
Being client doesn't even help
narrow niche
That's some ttk
arctic marten
for mom or pmom?
narrow niche
Mom
tardy ingot
Pre nerf sniper was quite nice for pmom at least
Considering range it actually did a lot of burst
arctic marten
i must be doing my math wrong then
arctic marten
126?
tardy ingot
Tumor hp
dry pumice
What if client?
narrow niche
Tumor HP cap be like
tardy ingot
of mom
arctic marten
i thought that you could overkill on tumors
tardy ingot
What if client?
Its 1 bullet so it doesnt ever do more
narrow niche
What if client?
Itl still cap
dry pumice
Cringeronium
tardy ingot
i thought that you could overkill on tumors
you sadly cant (unless they shadow changed it)
Theres 2 things that client does:
-
if its a pellet or burst weapon they can get all their bullets to hit (like on enemy heads basically) and do dmg
This is coupled with 2 -
clients ignore tumor CURRENT hp. Any singular dmg source can do up to the max hp of a tumor.
So if a tumor has 1 hp they will still do max dmg with a sniper shot (host wont)
If sniper just did its dmg it would 3 shot mom
which would unironically make it pretty good. But still not the best at killing it lol
coral mirage
TL;DR: Host carrying scatgun deals less damage vs non host
tardy ingot
all shotguns are worse on host for boss killing
coral mirage
on the bright side, host have best ammo economy for auto weapons
tardy ingot
all weapons not named sniper are worse on host due to not doing consistent dmg on tumors
tardy ingot
on the bright side, host have best ammo economy for auto weapons
Why would it?
client can hit more than base headshots
coral mirage
Why would it?
because they get instant feedback and stop shooting
tardy ingot
instant feedback is helpful
but client can take less shots generally
if you shoot by knowledge and not by feedback you often stop before the target is dead anyway
coral mirage
also their burstcannon shots are able to "pierce" through kill confirmed enemies
tardy ingot
like you wouldnt shoot a strikers more than thrice with hel revo ever
tardy ingot
also their burstcannon shots are able to "pierce" through kill confirmed enemies
this is kinda wonky to be fair and doesnt always work perfectly
coral mirage
like you wouldnt shoot a strikers more than thrice with hel revo ever
I only shoot them twice since they die on the 2nd one KEKW
cept chargers
narrow niche
like you wouldnt shoot a strikers more than thrice with hel revo ever
I mean that's a lot harder on auto weapons no?
tardy ingot
I mean that's a lot harder on auto weapons no?
It was an basic example
you kinda know when stuff dies at a certain point
overshooting will still happen (for host or client) tho
narrow niche
overshooting will still happen (for host or client) tho
Fair
olive robin
instant feedback is helpful
I think there's a mod that makes hit markers accurate as client too
Maybe that would make it better
cloud fox
who would win in a fight, Pablo or Goku?
hidden ridge
T-nenpi
slim viper
Touche
wispy jetty
are there any ways to ping decoders through a terminal?
noble sierra
PING [decoder id]
ocean spindle
are there any ways to ping decoders through a terminal?
same as pinging other things
their name on the terminal its PD, to see em u can list the zones and see if it has any
for example LIST ZONE_90
and then PING PD_563
sudden harbor
what does start light_testing.exe do?
dry pumice
what does start light_testing.exe do?
Turns off lights in the level
lilac fulcrum
It starts testing the lights
dry pumice
Yes. There's more.
halcyon current
No it's a prank to pull on your less well informed friends
By telling them to type it into the next terminal they see
wispy jetty
do the bots scan or tell you about shadow enemies with the bio tracker or do you have to find them manually?
hidden ridge
do the bots scan or tell you about shadow enemies with the bio tracker or do you...
bots don't scan enemies that aren't moving
best they'll do is say something very vague about how many enemies are around them
so, no, if level has shadows and a bot has biotracker, you might consider bringing a PDW
to be fair this usually ain't in issue unless the shadows are sleeping and the room is bad if you wake up
if enemies wake up, shadow or not, they're gonna ping them
Consider however that shadows are only pinged for like 8 seconds more or less, unlike normal enemies
wispy jetty
ya I just wasn't sure if the bots had the same rules apply to them with the bio tracker
hidden ridge
but with a bot that has bio that isn't an issue
wispy jetty
aye ty
hidden ridge
ya I just wasn't sure if the bots had the same rules apply to them with the bio ...
well they scan 360 and don't have a real cd on it
they just rescan as soon as a new enemy goes in their range
wispy jetty
we are about to do deeper in rundown 1 and I heard there are shadows so we're curious about the interactions
dry pumice
They they will use its' active ability with reduced cooldown and increased range.
They will give vague comments on how many enemies they see.
That's it.
They will not give you specific locations and they do not specify sleeping targets.
hidden ridge
we are about to do deeper in rundown 1 and I heard there are shadows so we're cu...
that's 100% fine with a bio bot
dry pumice
BioBot is the best thing against shadows. You always know where they are.
hidden ridge
since the shadows in r1d1 are ||alerted anyway||
dry pumice
If you're uncertain - use PWD or Precision Rifle. It counters them to shit.
coarse mountain
does anyone know how to do controlled response achievement? We tried to run high caliber pistol with burst pistol in primary along with sentry, cfoam and mines in B tier expeditions, still did not get the achievement
hidden ridge
does anyone know how to do controlled response achievement? We tried to run high...
Solo
dry pumice
does anyone know how to do controlled response achievement? We tried to run high...
You need to play it ALONE. No teammates or bots. True solo.
Tool doesn't matter.
Russian achievement is mistranslated and doesn't mention the solo part.
hidden ridge
you need to do it solo, in some translations it doesn't specify it but you need to be 100% solo, no bots
coarse mountain
Thanks Guys! Damn ...
dry pumice
R1B1 best level. You only need to do Class II alarm and then just take time with stealth.
High Cal best option because there's gonna be a lot of giants.
hazy field
Is it same for the Low Tech & the Close Quarters achievements?
hazy field
Is it same for the Low Tech & the Close Quarters achievements?
Need to do them solo?
ocean spindle
Is it same for the Low Tech & the Close Quarters achievements?
no, u can do those with a full team or bots
as long as bots dont have the bio for Low Tech since they use it automatically
close quarters with bots its, hard
tho
sudden scroll
i dont understand why people reccomend R2B1 for Biotracker achievement. I've done in duo with 2 bots , 1 human bio and 1 bot bio and we cleaned whole map , scanned everything . No achievement. twice now
dry pumice
i dont understand why people reccomend R2B1 for Biotracker achievement. I've don...
IMHO R1B1 is just the go-to for any achievement among those lines.
Its a stupid easy level and you can just go loud on every room
jagged shore
probably because, it sounds like that's something went wrong with you somewhere along the way
it is recommended because it's not very hard, and no permanent extract alarm
narrow niche
i dont understand why people reccomend R2B1 for Biotracker achievement. I've don...
Doesn't r2b1 have an extract alarm
dry pumice
I did all of them there, really. Excpe the "no tools" - i used R6C1 for that one.
jagged shore
Doesn't r2b1 have an extract alarm
it has a wave of like 8ish franks i think and then it's done
sudden scroll
i feel like something dies during the class 7 that we miss
but i mean bot is 360 scanning the whole time
so idk what
jagged shore
if you're playing with bots then that sounds fairly likely
dry pumice
The problem is the bots killing something that woke up before anyone pings anything
Ironically stealth is the achievement ender there
narrow niche
it has a wave of like 8ish franks i think and then it's done
Oh right
dry pumice
You have to shoot every room, and from a distance too
narrow niche
i dont understand why people reccomend R2B1 for Biotracker achievement. I've don...
Did you clear both blood doors and the res sector
jagged shore
The problem is the bots killing something that woke up before anyone pings anyth...
yeah that does sound pretty likely too
dry pumice
Just to be sure run biotracker yourself too
sudden scroll
Did you clear both blood doors and the res sector
if there's only 3 sec doors in the level then yes
dry pumice
And then one bot carries, uh... I don't fucking know, HEL Sentry?
narrow niche
if there's only 3 sec doors in the level then yes
There's 4 and a warden
halcyon current
It definitely won't kill them, so
sudden scroll
There's 4 and a warden
2 blood doors , 1 rescouce room , there's another?? besides the obvious exctract
narrow niche
2 blood doors , 1 rescouce room , there's another?? besides the obvious exctract
First blood door
jagged shore
the very first blood door is also a sec door
narrow niche
🙏
sudden scroll
oh i mean yea..
dry pumice
Just do R1B1, seriously. Far easier level.
sudden scroll
i mean you have to open it to access the level anyways so i guess i just forget it
jagged shore
so 3 blood doors and an alarm door, plus the extract door
sudden scroll
then yea we get all doors.
sudden scroll
suppose we'll try r1b1
narrow niche
:P
sudden scroll
my only other thought is bot scans not counting for the achievement
dry pumice
It does counts.
I did it just as i said: me bio, 2 bots bio and 1 guy carries a sentry just in case.
narrow niche
my only other thought is bot scans not counting for the achievement
If you meleed something asleep it won't count
dry pumice
Shotgun or sniper one, i think it was shotgun in my case
Give all bots useless guns that deal no damage, shoot, close door, run back to the sentry.
Rinse and repeat.
sudden scroll
If you meleed something asleep it won't count
yes i know . I fired a bullet into the cieling of every room , bots insta scan before firing
finite oracle
does ||r8b4|| have ||2 different endings?||
narrow niche
idts
ashen frigate
Not exactly.
digital mural
scafer
dry pumice
does ||r8b4|| have ||2 different endings?||
||No, but Schaeffer gets extra angry at you if you don't do secondary||
narrow niche
||No, but Schaeffer gets extra angry at you if you don't do secondary||
||"b-but im still in control"||
dry pumice
||TRAITORS!!!!||
halcyon current
So, how rough are the secondary or overloads on R4 gonna be? How much time do they extend levels by?
Intending on going through R4 like everything else so far and doing everything I can sequentially
tardy ingot
depends
halcyon current
Worse as we go deeper?
tardy ingot
i mean early optionals are usually easier
halcyon current
You get anything for it?
tardy ingot
R4 and R5 have some pretty oof ones
no
just fun
some optionals make levels a lot better, others are just extra cool stuff
jagged shore
they're pretty cool
plus you get a bunch of 1s on your rundown screen
tardy ingot
for example R4D1 is cool by itself. but secondary is also a quick fun one
halcyon current
You get anything for it? Extra hats?
jagged shore
no
halcyon current
Gotcha gotcha
jagged shore
steam achievements, that's it
tardy ingot
optionals are also some of the best stuff in the game fun wise
civic wave
ZONE 510-517 my beloved
halcyon current
R4 is just the first stuff that brought em, so was unsure what to expect, really
Want the R4 mask, is very edgy
mossy aurora
R5B1 EXTREME 🥰
jagged shore
ZONE 510-517 my beloved
so true
honest solstice
Hey, got a question, how soon can I start looking for lore in game?
Planning to find as much as I can in the game, don't know any lore yet and don't want any spoilers
civic wave
basically just hit up every terminal you find and check the logs by entering the LOGS command
tardy ingot
my general opinion
A1 - ||basic side stuff||
A2 - ||optionals interact on themselves (not main) is fun||
A3 - ||basic side secondary, fun overload (interacts with main sliiiightly)||
B1 - ||good side stuff||
B2 - ||interacts with whole mission, good side stuff (also strategy changes heavily)||
B3 - ||2 meh side things||
C1 - ||meh side stuff||
C2 - ||good side stuff, but fuck this||
C3 - ||side stuff thats ok, but both have cool interactions||
D1 - ||cool side stuff||
D2 - ||same as C3||
E1 - ||sick side stuff||
honest solstice
cool cool
halcyon current
my general opinion
A1 - ||basic side stuff||
A2 - ||optionals interact on themse...
I like the evolution from basic to sick side stuff
Sounds gnarly, dude
dry pumice
R4C3 and i hate it.
You'll probably love it.
tardy ingot
cmon
dry pumice
Its death to pubs.
dry pumice
Our tastes of fun do not align
tardy ingot
shooting is fun
dry pumice
It would be if enemies were inferior
halcyon current
Yeah, Artek is traumatized by R2E1, I can't wait to go back ngl
tardy ingot
artek is traumatized by a lot of levels
noble wind
I think artek misses the fun of having a dedicated team
tardy ingot
R2E1, R4C3, R4E1, R8D2
craggy pier
i am traumatized by my accuracy
craggy pier
exposure therapy
dry pumice
R4E1 wasn't particularly bad, in retrospect.
craggy pier
we're here for u artek
dry pumice
The final stealth part is wee bit cringe, but the rest is... Fine...
halcyon current
Upon reflection, R2E1 isn't even that long of a level
tardy ingot
iirc you had 2 people carry no?
dry pumice
Eh. Maybe. And a blind guy for a 3rd.
dry pumice
1 of the "carries" wasn't particularly insane or anything, he just stacked lots of supply efficiency.
noble wind
That's one way of playing gtfo
dry pumice
So out of many possible headaches - lack of bullets wasn't one.
tardy ingot
it definetly is
civic wave
there should never be a lack of bullets
tardy ingot
r7c3
civic wave
well, unless you miss the ammopacks but
tardy ingot
dry pumice
The other guy carried, yeah. Pretty much solo'd secondary's stealth part.
Unfortunately he also almost cost us the final stealth part by fucking up literally every single scout.
tardy ingot
i always think boosters are weird
dry pumice
But its fine, we recovered.
halcyon current
Boosters make the DMR go from feeling like dogwater to being amazing imo
dry pumice
That's considered heresy around here
tardy ingot
im just not a fan of 1. them being put into balance discussions
2. them being put into discussions on difficulty (when used in said levels)
and 3 i think that playing without them makes the game more generally enjoyable
tardy ingot
Boosters make the DMR go from feeling like dogwater to being amazing imo
without them its already one of the best weapons in the game
halcyon current
I don't like that it doesn't one tap strikers
dry pumice
What if i told you that my R8D2 was almost fueled by boosters.
halcyon current
So I normally use DTR
tardy ingot
What if i told you that my R8D2 was almost fueled by boosters.
i know about that
lol
noble wind
What if i told you that my R8D2 was almost fueled by boosters.
Ok we gotta run that again boosterless
tardy ingot
i do tend to read
dry pumice
I brought supply eff and Kaiser brought medical eff.
Kaiser saved the secondary with timely heals and i secured the main clear. 100% everything for the finale.
tardy ingot
should replay without
dry pumice
I would not mind replaying main only, but secondary can suck my ass.
tardy ingot
secondary as a whole is 
but the scan is fun
noble wind
What no cmon artek
It has to be authentic
dry pumice
Yeah, replaying the stealth part of secondary got old fast.
The grind to get to the part where you die... Love it.
tardy ingot
thats the 1 part that gets old in gtfo when replaying
most stealth parts are pretty meh
R8E2 is one of the exceptions imo
naive rune
I do like the economy boosters add, I just don't like when people use mods to override that economy and have infinite strong boosters
dry pumice
That too
tardy ingot
wdym economy?
noble wind
wdym economy?
Limited uses
tardy ingot
The grind to get to the part where you die... Love it.
this ye
you can get past the first alarm in main and to secondary in like 10 min max safely. but then secondary stealth takes ages
tardy ingot
Limited uses
eh thats supposed to be interesting?
dry pumice
It doesn't help that 80% of my aggressives are [-Melee Damage], so i have to wait for a muted so i could compensate and not be utterly frustrated with melee sections.
tardy ingot
a limited item concept is done better with smth like blood vials in bloodborne
naive rune
They add a different gameplay depth between runs. What boosters do you risk? What do you burn? They are less interesting with full clears, but working through the missions they make things more interesting.
tardy ingot
and event that has negative parts
dry pumice
I guess i could just not stealth at all... That's an option... But you know...
tardy ingot
i generally just think that boosters dont add much to actual runs since none of the levels are balanced with them in mind
so the tought process of "which to use" is just not a real appeal for me
halcyon current
Tbf BB Blood Vials acted that way cause they were directly tied to narrative
noble wind
eh thats supposed to be interesting? <:d4rkevThink:1168549978885587047>
No fomo
Don't have to worry bout Savin this one good booster for this one good moment then end up not using it at all
tardy ingot
Tbf BB Blood Vials acted that way cause they were directly tied to narrative
well yea
bloodborne generally is a master piece
halcyon current
My real issue with infinite booster mods is they make people play poorly in my experience
noble wind
Boosters need to have draw backs
tardy ingot
i also didnt mind farming them because 1. it fits the theme and 2. GAME IS SICK
tardy ingot
My real issue with infinite booster mods is they make people play poorly in my e...
peopel generally play less focused with boosters
noble wind
Conditions on em barely amount to anything
halcyon current
Boosters need to have draw backs
Aggressive ones do, don't they?
tardy ingot
not always iirc
dry pumice
Every agressive has a negative, i believe.
noble wind
Aggressive ones do, don't they?
Yes but the only notable one is - melee dmg and that's it
tardy ingot
minus bio speed
halcyon current
peopel generally play less focused with boosters
Yeah but it's worse when you watch someone just start doing the dumbest stuff possible and jeopardizing run because they themselves are kinda exempt from consequences
hexed plover
Question: How can I make it easier on myself when killing scouts with a knife?
dry pumice
Yeah, that's why that mod is forbidden around here and is not considered QoL
tardy ingot
uh jump before stab?
noble wind
minus bio speed
I delete those instantly even if they efficiency one's
halcyon current
Yeah, that's why that mod is forbidden around here and is not considered QoL
Imo it's actually just cheating
tardy ingot
it is
dry pumice
Most definetely.
dry pumice
At that point just perma apply them to yourself
tardy ingot
ive heard peopel say "why not balance the game around them"
but then you get situations where having wrong boosters (or none) sucks ass
and its the same or similar difficults with them
than without before
so no benefit
tardy ingot
i think boosters just rly werent implemented well
dry pumice
If game was designed around them - it just would be harder across the board. And we don't want that.
tardy ingot
random + some useless/some broken
better on players with prior knowledge/general experience
plus it makes soooo many people dependent on them
halcyon current
I find bioscan makes some stuff comically easy sometimes
tardy ingot
people who start off without touching them might use them when stuck and improve, not rly using them generally
dry pumice
Only if you stack enough of it
tardy ingot
people who spam them 24/7 rely on them even when they dont do much
and man beginners spamming random ass boosters
dry pumice
That's fine
tardy ingot
just 1. confuses them more
and 2. makes them think they do smth
dry pumice
That +9% main damage is not gonna be a run saver, but its a line go up
halcyon current
What, are you saying glowstick power isn't something I should bring 24/7?
halcyon current
That +9% main damage is not gonna be a run saver, but its a line go up
Ngl I only bring out the DMR when I have +main damage
tardy ingot
I find bioscan makes some stuff comically easy sometimes
any efficiency boosters
any bioscan speed
melee dmg (sometimes (see r7c3)
infection resist
regen cap
are all giga broken at times
halcyon current
I've heard stacking infection resist makes you almost immune around 90 percent
dry pumice
Regen cap is not particularly broken. Once enemies have enough DPS - it just doesn't matter.
tardy ingot
Ngl I only bring out the DMR when I have +main damage
my man, the dmr is already better than dtr 
dry pumice
I brought it for the D2 once and it did jackly doodly shit.
tardy ingot
if you wanna comit war crimes do hel revo and boosters. burn the complex
noble wind
I've heard stacking infection resist makes you almost immune around 90 percent
Immune at 100
And starts to remove infection beyond 101
mossy aurora
Regen cap is pretty strong
halcyon current
my man, the dmr is already better than dtr <a:ariError:1080235501170212884>
I really enjoy being able to one shot strikers
dry pumice
It is strong.
halcyon current
Immune at 100
And starts to remove infection beyond 101
Oh that sounds funny lmao
tardy ingot
Regen cap is not *particularly* broken. Once enemies have enough DPS - it just d...
regen cap is basically a permanent 20-30% health buff. so pretty much a permanent free medi or 1 1/2
naive rune
I would maybe think about bringing DMR w/o + Main Damage if the scope wasn't the worst thing i've ever seen. Terrible feedback
noble wind
Oh that sounds funny lmao
Infection, dont mind if I do 
tardy ingot
I would maybe think about bringing DMR w/o + Main Damage if the scope wasn't the...
huh, the feedback is great
the scope is just a bit off
halcyon current
I don't mind the scope but I also don't like it
tardy ingot
either way
its funny when people actually underrate dmr
civic wave
I used regen cap in that r6d4
dry pumice
The scope is dirty as shit, that's a known issue.
civic wave
very funny with hacking locks
dry pumice
The only gun socially acceptable to mod and change the sights on.
All these guns and no one brought a cup of bleach.
naive rune
Not even the dirt, just the formatting
civic wave
if you have trouble with dmr sight I think you're looking at the wrong thing when scoped in
mossy aurora
The worst part about the scope is the scope resolution changes along with your texture settings
naive rune
At a distance I genuinely can't tell if I'm hitting a headshot or not.
Maybe its my settings, yeah.
civic wave
yeah the scope is a little grimy but, well, so are all the sector door windows in the game
and no-one is asking for a reversion on that
tardy ingot
At a distance I genuinely can't tell if I'm hitting a headshot or not.
if you are the head is gone
easy clue
mossy aurora
The scope legitimately is more pixelated if you are playing on low
halcyon current
I don't like the zoom on the scope even if it's slight
naive rune
if you are the head is gone
Does fall-off not prevent head-breaks?
civic wave
you see the difference
tardy ingot
Does fall-off not prevent head-breaks?
dmr range is INSANE
you will basically never not break head off a headshot
civic wave
you get precision hitmarker too
dry pumice
Does fall-off not prevent head-breaks?
DMR fall of is almost as big as sniper's i believe.
Its genuinely hard to find a sightline where you can't pop head anymore.
tardy ingot
youd need to be like 70 meters out to not break head or smth
naive rune
I'll try changing texture size, but I genuinely struggle to make sense of the sight most of the time.
Only weapon I have the issue with
halcyon current
youd need to be like 70 meters out to not break head or smth
Look I'm gonna try the DMR again
tardy ingot
dmr is like 4th best main
halcyon current
But man, I really like popping striker heads on the DTR
tardy ingot
mostly in the shadow of hel revo
but if you hate shooters and want them gone
dmr
is your friend
dry pumice
Basically DMR junior, and not as effective at longest ranges
tardy ingot
it kinda is not good at that range
dry pumice
Yeah... But hey - you don't waste damage no matter what.
halcyon current
It's harder to compensate for recoil the further out things get
tardy ingot
It's harder to compensate for recoil the further out things get
due to this yep
dmr at range kinda just plays better than any other gun BY FAR in main
dry pumice
I'm surprised they still haven't buffed it slightly. Who the hell uses it that they're like "eh, its fine"
tardy ingot
and again, dmr and hel pp combo is funny af
dry pumice
I'd imagine its one of the least used primaries out there
tardy ingot
halcyon current
and again, dmr and hel pp combo is funny af
I thought these were both mains?
tardy ingot
yea
halcyon current
Unless you mean across 2 players
halcyon current
That makes more sense
tardy ingot
@past mesa keep playing lethal
halcyon current
DMR is what, 1 body 1 head for Strikers?
past mesa
<@325636095067029507> keep playing lethal
wdym
tardy ingot
DMR is what, 1 body 1 head for Strikers?
yes
its missing fractions of dmg for a kill after a headshot
halcyon current
Yeah, leaves em with .3 or something hp
tardy ingot
@past mesa keep playing lethal
dry pumice
Why are you pinging him so hard. Something wrong?
past mesa
what
tardy ingot
dw about it
past mesa
is this in refence to
dry pumice
You're pinging him like he owes you money
noble wind
Perhaps he does
upper ginkgo
finally someone worse than kaiser
past mesa
XD
past mesa
noble wind
Could use a new one that won't be used much
dry pumice
remove mouth, add the 💢 and its perfect
noble wind
An aggressive booster
digital mural
An aggressive booster
noble wind
Bedroom eyes?
civic wave
isn't it just jojo dio face
naive rune
Bedroom eyes?
Its too small to get a good look, so idk.
narrow niche
:\
noble wind
Well itll remain as it is 🤷♂️
halcyon current
What rundown would you lot consider the benchmark? Like rundown completion counts for average?
"If you do this you're probably at least competent"
topaz anvil
At least competent is after you beat all 8 rundowns
halcyon current
Can do
ocean spindle
lmao
for me competent its already by doin all of r1 r2, cause E tier
but usually r1 and part of r2 and r3 usually works
at least like
obv depends on their skill
but thats about it
halcyon current
I have completed all of R1-R3
Am on R4 now
Feel like R4 is where things are gonna start getting interesting though, with all the side OBJs
ocean spindle
r4 and specially r5 are high up on the difficulty scale so
pretty much yes
i mean as if, r2e1 wasnt interesing but ok
at least first times around
halcyon current
I like high difficulty stuff in games
It feels the most satisfying to actually accomplish
Even if it's "bullshit difficulty"
I think it's the residual mental scarring of playing Armored Core games when I was a kid
ocean spindle
its just hard to define bullshit diffculty for me
the term 'artificial' its kinda thrown around a lot but for me it really doesnt like mean a lot anymore
i need studyin for it
noble wind
R4c3pe R4d2pe r4e1 secondary will give you the business
halcyon current
I absolutely agree, but most people know what im.alluding to when I say it
dry pumice
Its not that complicated
Artificial difficulty is when you eithe spam enemies or just keep buffing them until your average grunt is as tanky as a miniboss.
Surge alarms = artificial.
Surge alarms of anything but vanilla biters = mega artificial.
halcyon current
I only think that's artificial if they lock you in the room so to speak
dry pumice
Was just about to mention that, yeah.
Depends on the environment. Big rooms give you lots of place to maneuver so its no longer as bullshit
R2E1 is... weird in that.
on one hand the pitholes are pretty big and great for kiting
halcyon current
Everytime I lost R2E1 I feel like I could point to an explicit catalyst for it
dry pumice
But on another - the scans take their sweet fucking time to spawn as well
halcyon current
The scans are the scans sometimes, sure
But they do that in every level
It's just the rng bit of em, I just laugh at it and move on when it happens
dry pumice
Also the complicated nature of the pithole allows sleepers plenty of flanking opportunities, which also comes back to bite you in the ass sometimes.
ocean spindle
Surge alarms = artificial.
Surge alarms of anything but vanilla biters = mega ar...
that sounds, very vague tbh
i mean idk u could call many games that, or well not even gtfo never changes life of enemies or buff em, spam sure but not all of em
not all missions
dry pumice
No, it really is that simple.
Number go up is the cheap difficulty.
Unique tactical situations or enemies with complicated custom attack patterns is "real" difficulty.
halcyon current
When I think of artificial difficulty the example people always used that comes to mind for me is dark souls 2 new game +, where most of the difficulty came from more harder enemies being around, and tbh, I don't even view that as artificial difficulty
ocean spindle
mhh idk, then bsically every like rogue like its cheap difficulty cause theres always that one room where u fin 7 stagglers even if ur advanced in a run
dry pumice
Borderlands 2 new game ++ comes to mind
dry pumice
Where Slag was mandatoruy
ocean spindle
hell even metal slug then cause it, kinda shoves a lot of soldiers sometimes
most fps who dont have a lot of enemy variety
even pizza tower??
that one boss that spawns shit its artifial difficulty
halcyon current
CoD WaW on vet is probably considered artificial difficulty by a lot of people
ocean spindle
minecraft spams endermans- idk
maybs in mistaken some of these but
just sounds, wrong for me
noble wind
Minecraft =/= difficulty
halcyon current
Imo it's hard to put brackets around cause it's different for everyone
And imo artificial difficulty is almost always a skill issue that can be resolved by 2 words
"Git gud"
noble wind
Imo it's hard to put brackets around cause it's different for everyone
The setting decides that
ocean spindle
Minecraft =/= difficulty
i mean not really but the end has a ton of those
noble wind
Difficulty with purpose is always the way to go
Difficulty for the sake of pushing people off the edge is cheap
halcyon current
Difficulty with narrative meaning behind it>>>>>>
ocean spindle
"Git gud"
thats a lot of games that can, be applied that even the ones that try to balance it well
i mean u can say that of every game that requires u to die a couple times, so again every roguelike ever created
some people arent, gods at games
they shall die
noble wind
i mean not really but the end has a ton of those
Might as well play modded
Vanilla Minecraft is for kids
ocean spindle
im playin hades and it took me like 6 tries to get past the first boss
noble wind
The devs don't even care
ocean spindle
that was not artificial
halcyon current
And they shall either become accustomed to dying or they will learn from their mistakes
Like I guess you can argue Akumu mode from TEW(Evil Within) is artificial difficulty
ocean spindle
idk for me it keeps, sounding like u can apply that to a lot of shit even if its fun or enjoyable or whatev
ocean spindle
Might as well play modded
Vanilla Minecraft is for kids
i am a baby sadly
... ok the end wasnt hard but
i think the take they shared applied to that
like theres 5 enders u can find if u really try to search em and then the end its like 700
its that artificial cause they spammed em?
noble wind
If you're a causal it's fine but Minecraft is way too casual
noble wind
like theres 5 enders u can find if u really try to search em and then the end it...
Well Minecraft devs don't care bout their game
Modded content is what keeps game alive
Like no one is waiting for the new fish mob that adds almost nothing
halcyon current
Anyway, I feel like this is getting away from Artificial Difficulty
GTFO always feels firm but fair to me
ocean spindle
Well Minecraft devs don't care bout their game
Modded content is what keeps gam...
i mean thats a whole other issue which is true but still another issue
ocean spindle
GTFO always feels firm but fair to me
gtfo for me its, good difficulty, if anything it suffers more from eh missions u can forget sometimes or overly drawned missions, which u might see in r5 r4 cause some optionals are very eh
noble wind
GTFO always feels firm but fair to me
Gtfo can push the limits even further than R8e2 and still wouldn't be artificial
noble wind
There's plenty of stuff U can do and add with variety of purposes
noble wind
3 bots its so hard
E1 is basically run n mine door
E2 for sure it's nuts with bots
ocean spindle
i mean yeah but its a pain to mine doors with bots
theres always one behind
and then theres like 'stay here moments' cause of the keys
i didnt get super far away
i got till like the uhh r2d2 bridge, the reactor one
halcyon current
I think playing with bots vs people is a whole mentality shift in how you actually interact with the game
ocean spindle
pretty much but its not a bad one its just a slower one
but, no spoils
that level aint super slow
halcyon current
I generally take things a little slower with bots
They can do really funny things with their totally suppressed guns
ocean spindle
More practice the faster it's done
i guess its true, more practice just means i know where to stop better and which doors to mine until the very last moment
its a pain but it is true
tho i hate that first key
ocean spindle
They can do really funny things with their totally suppressed guns
i dont usually exploit em but i guess its fun when they see room divider and just blast an enemy with 4 others at the side lol
ocean spindle
Play more often you'll get there
yeah
im also conflicted on the gun cause with bots ur always heavy weapons, but i also wanna crowd control
maybs i just need to play more burst cannon
and master it
noble wind
That could work but U may run into other issues
ocean spindle
mhh i guess theres probs some funny enemies that ihavent seen heheee
myabs ill just grab a shotgun but i feel its too little ammo
but i guess its what works best
noble wind
U just have to use it
Can't preserve ammo like ur life depends on it otherwise u won't develop a feel for it
ocean spindle
i just need to save it and use my primary, and then defend the parts where ik theres ammo with sentries and bots
uh its gonna be a mess but i can do it
maybe
hopefully
aaa
noble wind
I too had that issue but I learned to just use my ammo
More u play the better understanding
tardy ingot
"If you do this you're probably at least competent"
roughly:
If you can do a D tier calmly
If you can pull enough weight in an E tier on your own to not make a run harder
But then again theres multiple levels of what you consider competent in the first place. Some people think struggling through C tiers is competent. Others see breezing E tiers as competent
tardy ingot
When I think of artificial difficulty the example people always used that comes ...
People just throw this term around a lot for anything thats not a suuuper innovative way to buff difficulty
halcyon current
roughly:
If you can do a D tier calmly
If you can pull enough weight in an E ti...
I think I can do D tiers pretty calm, sometimes you get smacked with a surprise but it's all about how you adapt.
tardy ingot
imo stuff that could be counted as artificial difficulty increases (but only for 1 time usually) are intentionally obscure/game rule breaking events
R7E1 has one of those where it spawns enemies way longer than it should usually does, throwing players off and potentially killing them.
R7B1 has it with a random ass 1 room spawn alarm
If you know, its chill. If you dont it will suprise you without any indication of it being a thing
like suprises =/= artificial
but introducing smth. Then changing that without any giveaway for a 1 time jab is
halcyon current
Artificial difficulty is always gonna be kinda hard to quantify. Personally I find it exists more in TTRPGs when you piss off the GM then in video games.
tardy ingot
I mean the easiest one is buffing hp values straight up
fucking fallout does this so much
halcyon current
I'm going to quantify myself as competent when I finish R4
This feels like where the real game begins
tardy ingot
Armored enemy? Makes sense
random ass raider takes 10 times as much dmg ? Bs
also
its rly less r4 as a whole
halcyon current
fucking fallout does this so much
YCS/186 says hello
tardy ingot
but moreso c3 and e1
its like
R1-r3 only rly is r2e1
Maaaybe r2d1/2 and r3d1 i guess, but thats already a big gap
noble wind
I'd say r5 is when U get things straight
R6 will be a breeze
R7 a step up to some extent and then r8 2nd half
halcyon current
R1-r3 only rly is r2e1
Maaaybe r2d1/2 and r3d1 i guess, but thats already a big...
Having just gone through the entirety of R1-R3, I'd agree R2E1 is the only "hard" level. R3D1 fun as hell tho.
mossy aurora
Completing a rundown is not necessarily a good indicator of competence
A bad player can be dragged through r4e1 while being worse than someone whose stuck on r4d2 due to bad luck in lfg
mossy aurora
Especially since r4e1 can be hard carried by 2 good players pretty much
noble wind
What are the odds of pulling the same cart over an entire rundown
halcyon current
Pulling the same cart?
mossy aurora
RyK, iirc we've played before, am I a bad player?
No, not bad, you can shoot decently from what I could tell and listened, but hard to say just from playing once
halcyon current
I'll take it.
upper ginkgo
first episode of p*b review
halcyon current
I know I shoot fine, I think a lot of my issues boil down to lack of mechanical knowledge which only comes with experience.
Play game more, get better, simple math
noble wind
Pulling the same cart?
I meant carrying a player through a rundown
mossy aurora
Also a lot of what makes a player seem good is map knowledge. Put a "good player" in a new map like a hard vanilla modded map and they can look pretty different
halcyon current
first episode of p*b review
I'll happily take peer review and CC
tardy ingot
I'd say r5 is when U get things straight
If youve done r2e1 and r4e1, then r5 difficulty itself isnt an issue. Figuring out levels will be the only thing
tardy ingot
I meant carrying a player through a rundown
Dont have to do the whole thing
for r4
Hard carry through c3 and e1
halcyon current
I meant carrying a player through a rundown
I figured, I've just never heard the euphemism before
tardy ingot
then its already quite chill to get some through d1/d2
c2 is just annoying af but easy honestly
noble wind
By the time he gets there he should have a good understanding of how everything works
tardy ingot
and the rest is snooze
mossy aurora
What are the odds of pulling the same cart over an entire rundown
It happens often. You just keep spamming lfg day after day until a duo stack of good players decided to join you and grats you have your clear 😊
halcyon current
I just want to Not Be A Sandbag, yk?
I don't nessecarily have to be good enough to solo carry, I just hate being detrimental.
noble wind
It happens often. You just keep spamming lfg day after day until a duo stack of ...
I haven't lfgd much here so can't say much
Bots my beloved
noble wind
I don't nessecarily have to be good enough to solo carry, I just hate being detr...
Tomorrow might put you on the test
halcyon current
I won't be through R4 by tomorrow
Took a break to shower, eat, start laundry
Contemplating a cigarette even if I know I really shouldn't.
noble wind
Take Good old Cuban cigar
halcyon current
I've had em, not a cigar fan
Buddy of mine smuggled em back on a trip for Church, long story.
tardy ingot
a few things that make a player nice to play with imo are
-
knowing when to use ressources (easier with level knowledge specifically. But generally, dont die with meds if its an important situation. Dont sit on ammo for no reason) Hand out stuff quickly without asking for ammo and left over meds
PS: i hate people sitting on ammo/meds when we going to start combat soon -
know when to move away from enemies
halcyon current
a few things that make a player nice to play with imo are
- knowing when to use...
Brother if you're not gonna hit 100 percent ammo with my use I'm using it on you. I'm never quite sure when to use meds outside "before alarm door"
noble wind
I've had em, not a cigar fan
It's less likely to kill you
Cigarettes asking for trouble unless u actively workout
tardy ingot
prior knowledge makes it very easy to guess
but if you are somewhat blind
its obviously harder to tell
halcyon current
It's less likely to kill you
Cigarettes asking for trouble unless u actively wor...
I actively work out and it's why I want to quit.
tardy ingot
9 times out of 10 if im holding a pack and not using it on the team that means i need extra ammo for something coming up
Im one of the people who insta uses packs otherwise and checks ressources of the team whenever possible
halcyon current
If im holding ammo it's cause ik I'll need it after this event, or we're all at approximately 70/70 and ik one of us is gonna need it more then the others soon
sturdy glen
halcyon current
Sigma Grindset
tardy ingot
actually true in pubs
mossy aurora
Hold E on them and cancel at the last second gaslighting them into thinking they are using all the resources
tardy ingot
and in my static where 1 guy takes fall dmg every 20 seconds
He would take fall dmg on a flat plane i tell ya
halcyon current
Hold E on them and cancel at the last second gaslighting them into thinking they...
Galaxy brain plays right here