gtfo-related-questions

[dry pumice]

I stayed behind to read a log or something.

Maybe that was the cause.

I'm honestly amazed the first blind attempt was the clear.

But the ammo just wasn't cooperating.

Once it dropped below 50% it never recovered

I saw a 0% at least a couple of times

[tepid sand]

[dry pumice]

Pretty hype level though

[tepid sand]

Just watch my clear

[dry pumice]

I do not watch other people.

Unless its Markiplier.

[craggy pier]

we're trying e1 rn and we ended up being too fast once

fuckin door was on lockdown fuk u game

we are bad at the shooting

[lusty bramble]

@sturdy glen hello chill guy what do you think of dmr for dicks instead of hel revo

[craggy pier]

are there any resources in this level at all

we sometimes find ammo and health in one keycard room

[lusty bramble]

There are doors

Use the doors

[soft crater]

Doors

Cfoam

[sturdy glen]

you can pretty much always use pen on them and the shot diff is made up for by ammo

same shots to stagger

hel revo W as per usual

[soft crater]

Chill

What other main would be solid for dicks?

Aside from the shotguns

[sturdy glen]

none of them

[soft crater]

[sturdy glen]

they suck to fight

[soft crater]

I can see that.

[sturdy glen]

hel auto pp can stagger them at least

[soft crater]

The only other thing I use is Autopiss to stagger

Ye

[lusty bramble]

The dmr fiends are crying themselves to sleep tonight

[soft crater]

Me the revolver user crying.

[lusty bramble]

You use a modded revolver.

No respect.

Blocked.

[soft crater]

So

All I really did

Was Flashlight upgrade to the next one up

Any other modifier comes from boosters

[soft crater]

I used revo before I began changing the designs of my guns as well.

[craggy pier]

do we take 3 cfoams

or 4 cfoams

and just

[lusty bramble]

I'm pretty sure the flashlight is an element of the weapon balance

[soft crater]

2 would be ideal

[craggy pier]

we have two

[lusty bramble]

You're now going in the spreadsheet

Have you tried using the doors

[craggy pier]

yes

we are dying in r2e1 template

also snatchers are being funny

poof you are next to 19274 sleepers now

[lusty bramble]

You have to shoot those enemies

[soft crater]

You act like it's impossible to just "disable" certain mods

[lusty bramble]

Stagger the pouncer

Maybe for you...

You would never disable that mod...

No proof...

[soft crater]

Not my fault some of the designs are terrible

Not to mention beep. I could just put the shitty flashlight back on.

[lusty bramble]

You would never do that

No proof...

Game would be too hard... You're too scared.

[soft crater]

Besides it's for the most if I played "pubs" here in server

[craggy pier]

short range revolver on revolver

[soft crater]

I'm typically with groups I know

[sturdy glen]

Honestly the more important thing is who tf is hitting all 3 weakpoint shots just to shave off 1 bullet

[soft crater]

A flashlight change back to shitty flashlight wouldn't make the game any harder and if anyone asked. I would just stream my configs on a fresh launch.

Anyhow I'm gonna go eat

Beeps just gonna prolong this shit

[lusty bramble]

Too afraid. Many such cases.

[soft crater]

whatever floats your boat beep.

[lusty bramble]

Gotta get benefit out of kovaaks somehow IM NUTS

Idk solace

You said you can just turn it off

But all I'm hearing is excuses for why you won't turn it off

[soft crater]

Beep. I do not use stat modifying shit. And all this over a fucking flashlight I can change back. Please shut the fuck up.

I don't enjoy your instigating at all

[lusty bramble]

Do you think if you post enough anime drinking tea emojis you'll suddenly make a point

[ocean spindle]

weird but i agree flashlight its part of weapon balance
revo has dumb flashlight probs on purpose to not be used as a dmr and instead be used more under pressure, shootin faster at enemies that are closer or forcin u to find a way around like glowsticks or ur teammates flashlights even or biopings

[craggy pier]

do shadows ever crawl

[dry pumice]

It is not, honestly

[craggy pier]

they dont right

[dry pumice]

its a fucking inconvinience

[ocean spindle]

no

they dont crawl

[craggy pier]

revo flashlight is a war crime in finland

and a hate crime everywhere else except south africa

[dry pumice]

Revolver is not even that good of a weapon to have a flashlight this crap

[ocean spindle]

thats, what i am sayin
it is an inconvience, but having dmr one of the base weapons along with the revo, and they having different flashlights
if they wanted to make revo a high range gun they wouldve, but they didnt, and its an incovinience but one that it is made on purpose

revo its really really strong on crowd control for its reload, as long as u hit headshots

[tardy ingot]

revo has a dumb flashlight cuz it has a dumb flashlight

Indont think theres any reason for it rn

[ocean spindle]

i mean they did precision rifle, which is revolver 2, with the same flashlight but with a thermal sight

[lusty bramble]

Hi dark Eva

[dry pumice]

I have not once found a reason for any weapon in particular to have the flashlight it has

[craggy pier]

is it a good idea to bring a pr for r8e1 because the shadows are shadows

[lusty bramble]

What do you think about the dmr against dicks instead of hel revolver

[craggy pier]

shotguns

[dry pumice]

BC is already a top tier gun AND it has a top tier flashlight too.
Explain that, atheists.

[ocean spindle]

sniper, precision rifle [bad flashlight but thermal]

[tardy ingot]

some make sense (short range on short range etc) but ye

[ocean spindle]

shotties yeah that one too

bc has a medium flashlight cause its a medium range gun, revo i would think its more of a u see enemy close u pop it fast and u keep going

[lusty bramble]

Dark Eva I think you missed my question

It was right above slendis comment

[ocean spindle]

while burst cannon its i see enemy [big specifically] i shoot before lick

[ocean spindle]

its not for me but revo can pierce through a dick to hit another dick

unless u mean

an enemy and not an actual dick

[lusty bramble]

Sorry slendi I asked for dark Eva's opinion

[ocean spindle]

i wanted to give a take sorry

[craggy pier]

how do you hold so many sleepers just with starting ammo on r2e1 section and why is the scan such bullshid

[ocean spindle]

ik it wasnt but i wanted to participate

[tardy ingot]

isnt revo also pretty mid range?

[ocean spindle]

with ur guns, good guns for surges like hel shottie

[lusty bramble]

Dark Eva I think you're missing my question

[ocean spindle]

yeah but i think they are kinda made for different things

also eva is evading the question D:

[tardy ingot]

hm

[civic wave]

don't overshoot

[lusty bramble]

Eva is absolutely evading the question

He tends to do that

And after I wished him a happy Holidays

[craggy pier]

[ocean spindle]

i guess u could say its a
dick question

:D

[tardy ingot]

You know thats a pun in german

[craggy pier]

why are we calling them dicks

[ocean spindle]

a

[craggy pier]

nightmares

[lusty bramble]

Because they're called dicks

[ocean spindle]

oh so thats them

[lusty bramble]

I named them before anyone else

[ocean spindle]

i was wonderin

[craggy pier]

poorly

you named them badly

[lusty bramble]

Still named them

[craggy pier]

ok

[lusty bramble]

If you wanted to name them you should have done it early

[craggy pier]

the devs did it before you so you're invalid

[tardy ingot]

sry, that goes to some random BH

[craggy pier]

and they called them nightmares

[lusty bramble]

Oh hi again dark Eva

Did you see my question

[tardy ingot]

They dont count (pouncer )

[craggy pier]

they count

[lusty bramble]

They did not

[craggy pier]

if first is all that matters

they have a dev name

so ur wrong

and bad

and also u smell

[civic wave]

bullrushers

[lusty bramble]

Have you seen all the dev names for the new enemies

[craggy pier]

yes

they were first

so

[lusty bramble]

I don't even think they know what they are

[craggy pier]

if you wanted to name them

maybe go apply

dumas

[lusty bramble]

I've tried

But I'm black listed

[craggy pier]

skill issue

[lusty bramble]

Too good at making names

[craggy pier]

skissue

dark eva are you gonna answer the question

[lusty bramble]

Should've been born European so I could be better at dodging questions

[ocean spindle]

isskill if u will

[lusty bramble]

It's very strange for Eva to not add to a weapons discussion

[craggy pier]

he's scared

[civic wave]

dont lump me in with the others, I always respond

[lusty bramble]

R 4 EAAAA WAAAN

[tardy ingot]

id prefer if you just call me eva

[digital mural]

Dar

[lusty bramble]

What

Now you don't like dark eva???

[tardy ingot]

if you havent put in a random password then im sad

Also

[ocean spindle]

can i call u plant

[lusty bramble]

Plant is a different former bug hunter

[ocean spindle]

ah

[digital mural]

there

changed it

[ocean spindle]

can i call u vegetation

[lusty bramble]

Calling him a vegetable is just not nice

[ocean spindle]

:[

[craggy pier]

@lusty bramble isnt dmr a 3 shot against nightmare strikes on tumors

[lusty bramble]

It takes brain cells to make a level tier list stream take 9 hours

[craggy pier]

ok dark

[lusty bramble]

He's going to love editing that one

[lusty bramble]

This is true! But I was looking for dark Eva's opinion

Sorry elbow guard

But you should hit the r4e1 soon

[craggy pier]

did eva say dmr was good against nightmares in a video or something

[lusty bramble]

Help you with the shadows

[craggy pier]

and you wanna roast him

[lusty bramble]

No

[craggy pier]

why then

[lusty bramble]

I asked chill dude for his opinion

I also wanted Eva's

[tardy ingot]

couldve asked normally

[lusty bramble]

It's called getting an informed stance

[craggy pier]

ok yes hi i am evas alt account

dmr is awkward

[tardy ingot]

Tho honestly you dont rly care about the opinion anyway so

[craggy pier]

and kinda shit

[lusty bramble]

Eva wouldn't say that

[craggy pier]

wym

i just did

[lusty bramble]

That's presumptuous for zero reason

If I didn't want your opinion I wouldn't have asked for it multiple times

[craggy pier]

what is going on in here

[lusty bramble]

Eva thinks I just spend my days trying to make fun of him for some reason

[digital mural]

i need context

[craggy pier]

beep isnt giving it

[lusty bramble]

I just did !

If you're intimidated by what I did to solace that's not really fair to me

[tardy ingot]

not just of me tbh

well its either that or you have a lot of trouble with communicating which i doubt honestly since weve been in vc

[lusty bramble]

Who else am I making fun of

I didn't make fun of chill dude when he offered his take

[tardy ingot]

do i have to list it

[lusty bramble]

Yes

[tardy ingot]

tbh chill is litteraly

chill

[lusty bramble]

The difference is that he's reasonable

[tardy ingot]

and im not

[lusty bramble]

He didn't just assume I was trying to make fun of him after I asked for his opinion

[civic wave]

I'll not even pretend I know what's going on here

[tardy ingot]

eh thats less why id assume that

[slow stone]

🍿
eat some popcorn and chill

[tardy ingot]

im mostly just vibin rn

[rain python]

I’ll give an opinion

[lusty bramble]

Clearly you're upset about something

[tardy ingot]

just kinda indifferent

[lusty bramble]

I will always take a michal opinion

[rain python]

Saw off shotgun should be S tier

[lusty bramble]

Thats a good opinion

I can agree with that

[tardy ingot]

saw off. Where was the saw before

[lusty bramble]

I just don't see where you're coming from Eva

This seems very out of nowhere

And if its because I'm not using a 4 in dark thays because I'm on mobile

[tardy ingot]

the only thing that mildly annoys me is beep intentionally trying to do a funny with my name

not because you think the change is funny but because of a possible reacton

[lusty bramble]

IM ON MOBILE

[tardy ingot]

I dont mean the 4

[lusty bramble]

It autocorrwcrs

Which part

[tardy ingot]

its a million times easier to just type eva

[rain python]

D4rkeva

[lusty bramble]

Sorry big dub gamer you can't just prove me wrong like that

[tardy ingot]

but again. Im honestly just indifferent

Just kinda bored rn

[lusty bramble]

You're indifferent to what

You clearly seem disturbed about the name thing

And I explained that I'm on mobile

[tardy ingot]

and i explained that thats not rly what i meant either

[lusty bramble]

What did you mean

[tardy ingot]

we had this discussion before when you and others intentionally called me D4 a lot

[lusty bramble]

I didn't call you d4

That's a Beth thing

[tardy ingot]

and honesrly its not like you dont call me eva

so coming around with „dark eva“ just feels like a weird call out

[lusty bramble]

I'm making the question specific to you

If I have a question for black dragon I'm not going to just say black

Or dragon

[tardy ingot]

yea you say BD

[lusty bramble]

I'm not calling him that

It's creepy

[tardy ingot]

id argue eva is like „ray“

[rain python]

BLACK DRAGON

now those are opinions I get behind

[lusty bramble]

I don't call rayalot ray

Rayalot gets the girl

I don't know how ray is

[tardy ingot]

either way

i dont rly care if you are actually serious about asking smth. But either you kinda make it seem like you troll or you do

but regarding your question

why the hell would i take dmr over hel revo there

pen gaming

[lusty bramble]

Thank you for your opinion

[rain python]

Dmr based af

[tardy ingot]

True

[lusty bramble]

I love you Michal

[rain python]

If they fix the scope man

Ez s tier

[tardy ingot]

wdym the scope is a balance tool for it

[rain python]

I don’t like the angel wings rn

[tardy ingot]

:^ )

[lusty bramble]

I don't think it was fair for you to be removed from bh

[rain python]

[lusty bramble]

You would've convinced them to change the scope if you were there longer

[rain python]

I would’ve gotten through to them trust

I would’ve buffed short rifle

[lusty bramble]

Society if Michal was still in bh..

[rain python]

Rundown 9 would come out

[tardy ingot]

No rundown 10?

[rain python]

Nah that would be too much

I would then have suggested to rerelease all extensions for each rundown as a prequel to GTFO events

[grizzled widget]

Gtfo is over. Denial is a powerful drug

[rain python]

So we travel with the MWP back in time to try and attempt all events from unfolding

[rain python]

Gtfo is over because I’m not in BH since r7

R7d2 was the culprit

[modest monolith]

You were a BH ?

[grizzled widget]

And how would we manage that? Delete an alien spaceship during the age of the dinosaurs before it crashes into earth?

[digital mural]

yes

they have an alien ship
we have a Bishop

[rain python]

Stop KDS and Santonian from digging up the hole. Seal it with asphalt. Build cool building on top or maybe a nascar race track

[digital mural]

Bishop solos entire GTFO universe

[rain python]

But first we use MWP to travel to 2042 before any of the events occur and go on an “eliminate the target” new objective

[grizzled widget]

Artificial earthquakes would just open it up again --> see what happened to the mayans

[rain python]

Artificial AI would seal them back up

I would simply not allow that to happen. Keep the space closed

[grizzled widget]

That doesn't fix the problem though... the ship is still down there waiting

And in the effort to "go back" you would infect 2042 with namv since we all carry it

[rain python]

Wear a mask and quarantine suit. We take the technology we know now and let scientists work with it and get a 10 year head start. They sonar the ground find ship and continue sealing it

[grizzled widget]

The instant we would leave hydrostasis we will be reinfected -- before the mission to do any of that could even start.. I think you are underplaying just how viral and resilient nam-v is

It would come through on us, in us, on anything we take with us, everything

When we go to REDACTED at the end of r8, we bring it with us too. REDACTED is doomed just from us going there.

[tardy ingot]

What are artificial earthquakes o.O?

[grizzled widget]

Not near/caused by tectonic movement on a fault line. It came from nowhere. The three logs in question are very vague about it.

My best guess would be something like a thumper in half life on a massive scale

[tardy ingot]

Couldve been caused by earthquakes accross the planet with enough force

which is something that actually happens (altho usually on a smaller scale)

[grizzled widget]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but earthquakes dont normally open up 4k meter long tunnels

(Actually probably way way longer than 4k given it isn't straight up)

[jaunty latch]

fill it with cement

[tardy ingot]

well normally no
but strong ones wouldnt necessarily struggle in the right area

the question would rather be

[rain python]

Damn right

[tardy ingot]

is the traveling tremor strong enough to cause such rifts

because the base earthquake would have to be massive

i dont know the lore logs, just going of my understanding of geology here

could have been some other major event like a super volcano eruption or supertremor

actually

When did those tunnels open/earthquake happen @grizzled widget

[grizzled widget]

I'm at work rn so can't pull logs. Ask #gtfo-lore

If nobody else does I will later

[tardy ingot]

prob better

since its late af here

[craggy pier]

Is anyone else having trouble loading the game?
once I get through the cutscene when you boot up the game,
I get stuck at the "Waiting for system assets to Initialize. . . ."

I've restarted the game several times.

[craggy pier]

it happens sometimes

maybe steam has issues

maybe your internet

idunno

does anyone know how the hell you cfoam a door that's being broken

it doesnt work

my cfoam doesn't apply

[jaunty latch]

the cheese strat or normal foam

[tardy ingot]

i think elbow means refoaming a door thats being hit

in which case, that not working is a bug due to memory leak

[grizzled widget]

Sometimes when you foam a door with a shitton of enemies on the other side the foam will clip into the enemy hitboxes -- or the enemy hitboxes clip into the door, causing them to be foamed instead. This is super common. Just aim high when applying foam to doors that are about to get fucked

o7

This is most problematic and easily seen with chargers

[odd gyro]

is rundown 8 the last ever rundown? are there no further rundowns?

[violet steeple]

As far as there is, yes R8 is the last

[ocean spindle]

yep, from now on its only patches and modding

moddin rundowns b funk

[odd gyro]

no way really?

[ocean spindle]

yeah, game had a long run of 4 years and it ends on a pretty high note from what ive seen

so nice

[odd gyro]

i still don't get the story but damn

good while it lasted

[hazy wedge]

The story is we have to get the fuck out and we got the fuck out

[modest monolith]

|| step on the landmine at the end, and had to redo over again ||

[ocean spindle]

welp

it wasnt ur step

prob some enemy

[light kestrel]

Do snatchers hit doors faster than other enemies?

[ocean spindle]

u noticed it too right i noticed it today

[light kestrel]

Yeah, was foaming a door with 2 behind it and had to go way faster than normal

[lone mortar]

so real oomfie

[distant citrus]

any good way of dealing with shadow scouts?

[ocean spindle]

melee em or precision rifle them

meleeing its similar to normal scouts

preferably while pinged

so u see general positioning

[lone mortar]

just jump when you mele them

[halcyon mango]

Heads are a bit higher than where you see the tentacles come out from. If you can use a flashlight to get the head outline helps a lot. Otherwise just gotta swing and guess.

[halcyon mango]

Heard about them being able to un-cfoam a door or something

[simple stratus]

r8e1 tips? We're stuck. Running 2 players and 2 bots, right now were doing 3 turrets and C-foam and using scatter gun to clear doors after they explode.

[digital mural]

2 turrets, 1 mine, foam or 1 turret, 1 mine, foam , bio

scattergun isnt necesary

choke mod works way better in R8E1

also get at least another player

[simple stratus]

ive never used choke mod, whats it do?

[digital mural]

its a shotgun

a powerful shotgun

and it shoots fast

[simple stratus]

sounds good, im guessing the rest is skill issue?

[digital mural]

bots issue*

[simple stratus]

real

[digital mural]

you might want at least another player

[lone mortar]

[simple stratus]

👍

[digital mural]

also if someone has supply efficiency will make a difference

[simple stratus]

i happen to have it yay

[lone mortar]

no

it really doesnt

[digital mural]

it kinda does

[lone mortar]

nah

[digital mural]

well

that depends on how well you shoot

[lone mortar]

if everyone just flies off

you dont get to give shit

[digital mural]

look man

supply efficency is always nice

on every level in GTFO

you never know when an extra 1% will come useful

[timid gorge]

Very new to the game.

I've heard mention of checkpoints but never come across them in my 1st 10 or so games? Are those only on much larger later levels?

[lone mortar]

R1A1

literally

[floral acorn]

there's 1 in r1a1, and then in r6a1+

[ocean spindle]

checkpoints are only available in r6 r7 r8, apart from that one exception on r1

[lone mortar]

hush now

[ocean spindle]

checkpoints where introduced from r6 onwards

[lone mortar]

we dont want them to skipp levels now do we?

[floral acorn]

🤐

[digital mural]

they appear on r6

[ocean spindle]

ur late smh

[digital mural]

im busy in lore chat

we were talking about shitting inside the HSU

[ocean spindle]

smh

[lone mortar]

just a reminder

dont let elbow cook

[ocean spindle]

why

what did they said now

[lone mortar]

look in lore chat

i am locked

in this perpetual torture where i cant shit in GTFO

[austere cloak]

how long can sleepers detect me crouching/standing??

sit down and wit up

[soft crater]

Crouch walking 2m when dormant (no pulsing)
Stand walking 7m

Crouch walking iirc is also 7m when sleeper is pulsing

[austere cloak]

thansk

plz recomend rundown and chapter for solo stealth practice

im having trouble with killing 2 sleeper with hammer

[narrow niche]

yes

:D

[lusty bramble]

I did a lot of my solo stealth practice at crosswalks

[hardy grotto]

I love that r6 level

[craggy pier]

You know I'm right

You just don't want to admit it

Avoiding my manifestos

Can you kite in r8e1 security scan

The enemies are overwhelming

Especially the stupid snatchers

[dry pumice]

E1?... There were snatchers?...

[craggy pier]

secondary

spawns in like 2 snatchers and shadows and hybrids idk what main is

[trim rock]

Sounds like not enough zooming

[craggy pier]

we are zooming professionals

we arrive too fast at the scan room

the have to wait for the door to be unlocked

but then the enemies come, someone gets snatched, the shadow trickle our health down along with all the hybrids and game over

[trim rock]

Bring a scattergun, problem solved

Snatcher begone

[craggy pier]

we did

oh wait no we didnt

i brought a bc but the charge up fucked me

[trim rock]

rip

[lone mortar]

yeah im that petty and also oblivious to what the subject was

but my point still stand

youre not allowed to cook no more

[dry pumice]

Shadows?

did you activated secondary early?

[hidden ridge]

You can time it so that you make it in time, then you can "herd" the enemies into looping around that tile, second to top floor has a couple of places you can jump down

[craggy pier]

yes

the intended way

[dry pumice]

Good luck then. It seems it really does makes makes main harder to bite.

[craggy pier]

it makes it a nightmare

[dry pumice]

Can imagine

[tardy ingot]

yea makes it from a easy C tier to a C tier

its definetly rough tho for people who arent used to move fast and make quick decisions vs the usual safe pace

[dry pumice]

luv me safe pace

[hidden ridge]

ehhh

I mean, only "hard" part is doing the scans before checkpoint at the r2e1 room

The rest is basically a corridor then defending inside another corridor

It's a bizzarre map

I found it fun but I wouldn't really replay it

[tardy ingot]

its basically the pace youd usually prefer in other levels not build around rushing

[marble palm]

Is GTFO fun with two players? Me and a friend of mine have been thinking of getting it, but im wondering if its fun with just two players or if its necessary/recommended to have 4 players.
I've heard before that the game is very difficult solo or duo, but that was a long time ago so im not sure if that has changed with updates

[summer echo]

If you're fine with dealing with some bot shenanigans GTFO is absolutely doable as a duo/solo
Me and a friend just did R2D1 with two bots earlier this week- its an extra hump on the learning curve, but the bots are decent nowadays
although I have really bad luck with them friendly firing me

[marble palm]

Yeah im used to bot shenanigans from other action co-op games, them being able to deal friendly fire damage sounds annoying though

[neon gust]

You should be able to beat all the levels with 2 player 2 bots

Aside from.r7e1

Until they patch a certain thing

[dry pumice]

Difference between 1 + 3 and 2 + 2 is massive in quality. There will be some limitations, but they can be bypassed.

[lusty bramble]

Yeah with 3 bots you can all give them the burst cannon

[marble wyvern]

if you wanna duo most of the game give the bot bio, they are better than any human trying to bio and shoot

[vernal nimbus]

How good are bots with burst cannon

[ocean spindle]

for me, bad
for many other people they say they are good

they say bots can burst cancel and use ammo efficiently on bigs and smalls

but i tried and i only see em doin full bursts into one two smalls

so idk test by urself

see if u like it better than the veruta

[dry pumice]

Its a 22 dmg bullet in a tight package.
They deal a lot of damage with it and become very dangerous to sleepers - especially small ones.
Unfortunately they have tendency to unload the whole burst into your spine, which causes and immediate down.

Basically its a high risk high reward. If you can avoid not standing in front of them when they shoot - its about as dangerous as you can make bots without mods.

[vernal nimbus]

ok

anything that'll help my bots vs chargers

worth it if I can't stand in front of them

[dry pumice]

Ideally HEL Rifle should be the answer, but they waste too much ammo with it, so...

[ocean spindle]

always go back if u feel overrun

and use the most out of ur tools

chargers are less about the guns, more about just the way u deal with a wave tbh

even if u had a hel rifle with 10 mag, with a bad position and bad tool positioning u would be overrun

[dry pumice]

3 sentries keep winning

[ocean spindle]

tbh some alarms mines it's better like r1c2 first alarm

and tbh i kinda think the second alarm too if u know how

but i digress

[lone bronze]

is there any level that have giants very early? i want to practice hammer killing them

[ocean spindle]

r2b2

has a lot lot lot of em

in r1 nothin really, maybe r1d1 or r1c2 which bits have one pair in the first zone, but they have also small enemies that could u fuck u in the spawns

[lone bronze]

can you drop me there? i havent finished previous R2 levels

[ocean spindle]

u can just jump to it and do em
it's not bad to like do a small detour and do some of r2, it's only a1 b1

[lone bronze]

i didnt finish R2A1 haha

[ocean spindle]

well u can u should if u wanna do b2 kdmsks

then just go back to completin r1

[neon gust]

Decent but veruta still king

Arbalist second

[dry pumice]

I should try veruta again, havent tried that thing in a while

Looks cool, but i hate the recoil and meta of it

Is it meta if i can't use it and just spray walls?

[lusty bramble]

Wrong

[ocean spindle]

"the meta of it" lol

[dim delta]

anybody got tips for dealing with hybrids?

[cloud fox]

sidestep, hide behind cover, shoot head with strong gun

[dry pumice]

Pretty much.

[dim delta]

like just strafe?

or do you have to actually turn and move

[dry pumice]

The only enemy that Sniper Rifle is truly good for, right now.

Scattergun too, but that requires getting close.

[dim delta]

yeah the rundown im doing you dont rly get close

so ig sniper is only option

[dry pumice]

Yep. Insta kills them with a headshot.

[dim delta]

precision rifle good enough?

[dry pumice]

Just catch them as they charging up their shot.

Yeah, PR is fine too, but might require more shots.

let me do some math

[hidden ridge]

At that point I'd get Hel Rifle tbh

I guess PR is good for shadows on r2e1

which I guess you're doing

[dim delta]

yea

second surge sucks

[dry pumice]

Yaba daba doo...
16.9 prec damage...
x2 head...
33.8 dmg?...
vs...
150 HP...
exactly 5 shots with some leeway for range

[hidden ridge]

Indeed it kinda does ngl

[dim delta]

lost like

12 runs

to second alar

m

[dry pumice]

Really?

[dim delta]

always because hybrid

[dry pumice]

I had some close calls, but never a wipe.

[hidden ridge]

You can ameliorate the issue with a bit of luck and abusing the blood door zone you opened

Since that has actual doors

[dim delta]

i know i need to sidestep but im also trying to stay on zone

[dry pumice]

Everyone just get eaten by common strikers at the very start or the very end

[olive robin]

They were hungry

[hidden ridge]

I mean, excluding the ending, that's usually where my runs ended

[dry pumice]

Huh.

It is a surge, i suppose...

[dim delta]

so how do you typically dispose of hybrids in second alarm?

[dry pumice]

But don't they have like... Only one point of entry?

[hidden ridge]

2

[dry pumice]

Big gun to head, simple as.

[hidden ridge]

Entrance and whichever blood door you open

[dry pumice]

Sniper Rifle if you really want to counter them.

OTherwise anything else that hits hard and true. Like uh... Burst Cannon! "Only" 3 bursts to kill.

[hidden ridge]

I GUESS you could still sniper rifle them tbh

But rest of the team needs to have stuff to waveclear decently enough

And of course don't miss

[dim delta]

da git gud

[dim delta]

thats like 9 bullets

[dry pumice]

Choke mode, high cal, HEL rifle are all alright too, especially if you can aim for the head

But Choke especially since it doesn't have a dogsh*t prec multi

better not miss though

[dim delta]

i dont htink choke is hitting htem from range

think* them*

[dry pumice]

It absolutely does

Damage fall off starts from 15m which is more than most guns in this game do

[dim delta]

rly?

[dry pumice]

And the spread is just tight enough to hit their big-ass-melon-for-a-head

Worst case scenario you'll just miss a couple of pellets

[dim delta]

ok ill try choke then

[dry pumice]

Its kinda hilarious to have a shotgun that lowkey is capable of sniping people

[dim delta]

tbh i assume it had short-med range

cuz its a shotgun

[dry pumice]

You'd think, right?

[wheat tulip]

recommeded gun for Rundow 8 ?

[dry pumice]

For reference - fucking High Cal Pistol starts losing damage after 8m

[dry pumice]

None in particular. As usual - just bring the meta boys, like HEL Rev, HEL Gun, Scattergun, Burst Cannon and call it a day.

Burst Cannon in particular... It seems every clear that mattered - i had that thing on me.

[wheat tulip]

alright thanks, ill try that weapon

[tacit matrix]

Does anyone knows that waves on terminal connection in R8C1 stop any moment or is just continually?

[dry pumice]

Getting inconsistant info on that.
Main or Overload? (its a choice).
Main: in my experience waves stopped between individual uplinks, but i've seen at least 2 people claim they didn't stop for them.
Overloads: there is apparently a resting pause after 2nd confirmation.

[tacit matrix]

Humm... we doing main and don't stop in both situations, between 1st and 2nd, and after 2nd, they continue spwaning and comming

[hidden ridge]

After second I think it's intended

I only did that map once on Main and once on PE

And I THINK that the waves stopped between 1/2 on Main but maybe I remember wrong

Overload I think they're supposed to stop at every step save for the last

At least they did when I did the map

[dry pumice]

I swear to god they stopped for my bot-run, because i definetely remember readjusting my defenses for the new terminal, and nothing was pestering me in the process.

[hidden ridge]

(we left Secondary hanging)

[dry pumice]

Granted: I finished secondary, command and all.

But ALSO i used a checkpoint, because i tried OV first and realized it was unbeatable with bots.

Hm, could checkpoint have something to do with it...

[hidden ridge]

I'll guess that, since most of the first branch maps of R8 are kinda easy-ish, I dont think they're supposed to be error alarms save for the last

[hidden ridge]

I didnt die in either run

[fluid patrol]

I see, thank you!

[gentle oracle]

in the case of R8C1 overload im certain that the first 2 confirmations dont have errors associated with them, it just takes forever for most of the leftover enemies to show up because they decided to make several waves of shadows spawn after a sucessful confirmation from what I can tell, and then they take forever to get there cause theyre slow as feck and spawn like 2 miles away

[digital mural]

huh

they didnt stopped for me

[trim rock]

From what I’ve gathered there is no error even with Secondary done as long as you don’t fail the verify / confirm.

It does however seem like reactor waves so for example if you did Secondary it’ll still spawn a few waves of shadows after you’re done with confirm

[topaz anvil]

Therefore it sounds like more waves keep spawning

[trim rock]

Tbh C1PE isn’t even that bad unless you rush the sequences / fail the sequence.

[topaz anvil]

We did it blind with no downtime and that was kinda rough but got that first try

Bit close though with tank camping a body

If you manage to eviscerate the tank asap then it's pretty manageable

[trim rock]

Yep

[inland tree]

can you get the Controlled Response achievement with bots?

[dry pumice]

The one that requires beating a level with only pistols?
No, you have to beat the level solo, by yourself, all alone.
We highly advise R1B1.

[ocean spindle]

and if u have any experiencing solo

if not

try doin it solo with the guns u prefer first

and then the achievement

[fluid patrol]

Do you need to hit the scout in the back of a head tio kill them with the preicsion rifle?

[ocean spindle]

no

u can do a headshot in general

[fluid patrol]

Can you kill a charger with a half charge with a spear too?

[craggy pier]

no

i don't think you can half charge a charger

[ocean spindle]

no dont believe so

spear has less base dmg

its aboutttt 3/4 charge

[craggy pier]

you need 15 damage and hit it from the back

[ocean spindle]

maybs more

no yeah more

[craggy pier]

and the rampup is cubic

[halcyon mango]

15.01

[craggy pier]

you apparently need 89% charge

if my math is mathing

with the sledge

and for spear it would be even worse

yup

95%

cubic damage rampup be wildin

melee weapons basically gain most of their damage towards the end of their charge

for the first 30% you're basically just adding some digits to a light tap

and you go from 10 damage to 20 damage in that last 25% from 75 to 100% charge

maybe tapping isn't so bad after all considering how bad charging for a short time is

to occi a striker you need 28% charge, or, you can tap it twice

[gentle oracle]

is there a way I can tell my progress towards that kilometer achievement?

also why is that steam achievement hidden? whats the point?

[ocean spindle]

being a surprise when u get it probs

[tepid sand]

No, there is no tracking for that one iirc, both on the Steam side and player-created trackers

The only closest thing is calculations for how many you need to do

[gentle oracle]

well thats obnoxious

[austere cloak]

so its no more available to 0 charge 1tap kill behind the head right?

how many should i have to charge to kill sleeper behind head?

[ocean spindle]

with a hammer? shooters u can onetap
strikers its minimal charge

like idk 2/8 or somethin

its hard to describe charge times

[austere cloak]

wait i can 0 charge tap kill shooters?

[craggy pier]

28%

[ocean spindle]

yeh !

with hammer only

[austere cloak]

what the

[craggy pier]

yes their occi is 10x weak point

[ocean spindle]

:D

[craggy pier]

no not hammer only bat too

dumas

[ocean spindle]

D:

[craggy pier]

i am so sorry

[austere cloak]

so i can occi shooter behind head

[ocean spindle]

q-q

[austere cloak]

but not striker?

[craggy pier]

yes

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[austere cloak]

MAMA

[ocean spindle]

the movie :D

[cerulean canopy]

anyone looking for 1 player?

[austere cloak]

still struggling killing 2 enemy in a raw

[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[craggy pier]

Shooter - Tap occi
Striker - charge 30% and hit occi

honestly not worth doing on a striker if you're not rushing

[ocean spindle]

takes bit of practice but with some positioning i bet u can practice it tons

[craggy pier]

on shooter it's decent

and convenient

[ocean spindle]

its worth to hit as much charge as u know itll kill just for optimization

[austere cloak]

so if theres 1striker sit and 1shooter stands

[craggy pier]

the risk of fucking up is alwasy there

[austere cloak]

charge kill striker and occi shooter

sheesh

[craggy pier]

ye

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[craggy pier]

that's how you double kill

[austere cloak]

in normal way i need to kill standing first right

[craggy pier]

kill one and occi the other

[ocean spindle]

tbh the position they are in its, fine
i mean focus on the one that its facing u cause it takes more charge

[craggy pier]

you can do it vs two strikers too if you can time the charge well or you just tap him occi and then anywhere once more

[austere cloak]

hmm just need more practice

btw

i had weird exp today

there was 2 sticked enemy and 1 far enemy

1 far was glowing

[craggy pier]

stop

that is long range aggro

the funny mechanic

[austere cloak]

i know that

but

[craggy pier]

sorry

[austere cloak]

in guid vid they said only 1 agro can occur 1 time

is this right?

[craggy pier]

only 1 long range aggro

short range can be unlimited

[civic wave]

Excluding proxy aggro

[austere cloak]

ah yes yes

not except close one ok

[civic wave]

If there's enough close by they'll always wake, yea

[craggy pier]

long range aggro has that limitation because two long range aggros would be fucked

[civic wave]

Anyway scratch this I'm going back to bed

[craggy pier]

but waking by hitting surfaces or killing sleepers that are close it's fair game

[austere cloak]

ok 1sec

ill need to take this clear

to proceed game more like pro

😮‍💨 🥹 😶‍🌫️

ok

this is situation

imogi is an enemy

[craggy pier]

im loving this demonstration

[austere cloak]

when i kill 😮‍💨 or🥹 when 😶‍🌫️ is not glowing then 🥹 or 😮‍💨 will wake up not 😶‍🌫️ right?

bcus its close enemy kill

[craggy pier]

yes

[austere cloak]

ok then

[craggy pier]

if you kill that group of 2 and the other guy is not glowing he cant wake

unless they scream, which happens when you mess up and take too long

[austere cloak]

when 😶‍🌫️ is glowing and i kill 😮‍💨 or🥹, in vedio i saw 😶‍🌫️ wont wake up 🥹 😮‍💨 will wake up becus agro can occur 1 at a time and i occured clost kill agro

is this right?

[craggy pier]

no

[austere cloak]

or the 😶‍🌫️ wakes up bcus of long range agro

[craggy pier]

short range aggro doesn't prevent long range aggro

both can happen at once

[austere cloak]

ahhhh

NANI

[craggy pier]

but because long range aggro is limited to 1, you can use that sometimes

i think?

[austere cloak]

so in this situaition all of them wakes up?

bcus of short kill agro and long range?

[craggy pier]

not always

long range aggro has a chance to happen it's not 100%

but yes, all can wake

[austere cloak]

then the best is

killing them while 😶‍🌫️ is not glowing and double kill them

hmmm need to watch another stealth guid

[craggy pier]

wait i'm wrong

what the hec

wiki:
"The long-range aggro can not happen if at least one enemy already woke (either by the proximity aggro or by the long-range aggro), and have a grace period of few seconds after that. It means that unlike the proximity aggro, the long-range aggro can only wake up a single sleeper. It also means having two sleepers clustered is the best setup to ensure no other enemy will be awoken while dispatching them. "

so in this example if you murder 😮‍💨 or🥹 then 😶‍🌫️ actually cannot wake up

[surreal lake]

clearly its vibes

[craggy pier]

okay this will help IMMENSELY when i have to fast stealth things

i did not know that

[austere cloak]

even when 😶‍🌫️ glowing?

[craggy pier]

yes

if you short agro a sleeper by killing a guy it overrules long range agro i guess

[austere cloak]

hmmmmmm what did i exp today hmmmm i think it wasnt clustered enemy hmmmm

[austere cloak]

thanks for reply

[craggy pier]

thanks for making me learn something new

[austere cloak]

time to go r8b1 to practice 🦾

[craggy pier]

i gotta test this shit out

[lone mortar]

real

[craggy pier]

stop

[lone mortar]

[soft crater]

[vernal nimbus]

How significant is knife low range aggro?

[ocean spindle]

its far range chance aggro, and i guess its kinda noticeable
i mean if u play slow and wait for all the enemies to stop glowin knife only will really fuck ur charge times and range with the rest of ur team, but knife favours a more fast based constant sneak, where u basically dont care if anythin is glowin

and if u play like that u can kinda noticed a lot of scenarios where u fucked up but nothin happened

[distant citrus]

do the enemies have official in-lore/in-game names?

or are they just called "sleepers" by the guys in game

[vernal nimbus]

Tbh my random team experience has been either jump sledge occiput tappers sprinting through the room or that one guy creeping for 1 min towards 2 sleepers

I just can't decide between knife and hammer because knife stamina consumption feels really good

But anything big other than shadow giant or hybrid and I crumble trying to stealth kill them

[digital wave]

how can I display the network information like Ping ? if I join a host in Europe from Asia, I want to know what the ping is

[plucky otter]

Hi can someone help us

doing C1 atm

unsure what Public key z05 is meant to be when trying to uplink verify on terminal

[steel valley]

which c1

[plucky otter]

r8c1

[steel valley]

main?

[plucky otter]

yes

[steel valley]

is that a double uplink

[plucky otter]

yes

i believe

[hazy wedge]

It will tell you what key it is. z05 will have a code attached to it

[steel valley]

ive never done main

but it should send log files to a second terminal

[plucky otter]

where do u find the words corrosponding to the key

[steel valley]

u read the log file and it tells you which code corresponds to zo5

[hazy wedge]

One terminal will have the logs with "keys" such as z05. The person will have to retrieve that log in order to get the correct code

[plucky otter]

why doesnt the instructions tell you this 💀

thank you so much

[steel valley]

suffer

🫠

[hazy wedge]

It tells you which terminal to retrieve the logs and don't you have to do uplink_confirm on the other terminal to start the uplink?

[safe vapor]

Do you have to beat a mission in order for logs to count towards the achievements

[hazy wedge]

No you can just die if you don't want to complete the level for logs to count. If you quit the mission tho, it won't count

[safe vapor]

ok

[sweet ferry]

how many of you here have actually done R4E1

[tardy ingot]

a lot of people

[sweet ferry]

wild, that level seems impossible with my current position

granted my friend and I are still new to the game somewhat but that level is insane

[tardy ingot]

its in the top 3 hardest levels

[silver fable]

most of us are hard stuck on r1c1 tbh

[tardy ingot]

fn

[sweet ferry]

lmao fair

[tardy ingot]

hes trollin

[silver fable]

[tardy ingot]

r1c1 somehow is a hard stuck level for beginners tho ye

[sweet ferry]

(tbh R1C1 didnt seem bad to me but I give my condolences anyways)

[silver fable]

tbh I'm kinda tired of that being the hardstuck level

it isn't interesting to think or talk about

[summer echo]

Really? I did that level with some friends who like barely play

[sweet ferry]

R4C3 is the level im stuck on rn

[summer echo]

then again that was when sniper still had 3 shots so hybrids were just no issue

[silver fable]

there are like a billion reddit threads on it recently

[silver fable]

eyy now that's a level

[tardy ingot]

even before the nerf beginners got stuck

[sweet ferry]

i just love chargers SOOOO much

[tardy ingot]

r1c1 isnt hard at all but its different from the levels before it so people usually fail once as newbies

After that it just seems like people dont actually look at whats happening when playing

[tardy ingot]

Banger 2nd half

First half is cool but a bit slow

[sweet ferry]

yea we got as far as (what I believe is the final room) with all the big chargers and uhhhhhh yea we died

but granted weve only tried it once or twice so we gotta keep running it back

[silver fable]

I still haven't wrapped up the duo of that level come to think of it

[tardy ingot]

You tried main or PE?

[silver fable]

we got into turbine zone and died, closest we got

(PE, but I assume you're talking to nola)

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[sweet ferry]

def not PE for us

weve just been trying to do the mains for all of R4

learn more about the game and get better in general tbh

and the helmet you get for completing all of R4 is sick

[tardy ingot]

id recommend not trying R4E1 before you did most of the PEs

Its harder than any of the PEs

[sweet ferry]

really? so go back and do the PE type of thing

"practice"

[tardy ingot]

its a new way to play levels

and bumps them up in difficulty

say r4a2pe is like a B tier in difficulty

definetly would recommend doing so

[sweet ferry]

Ohhh okay gotcha makes sense

still got a long ways to go lmao but hopefully we’ll get there

[tardy ingot]

lots of fun to be had

[silver fable]

I think in the OG you needed a certain amount of PE clears to unlock r4e1?

I know that was the case for r5, but I wasn't around for r4

[topaz anvil]

It wasn't like that for r4, but the requirement to unlock r4e1 was beat every main

[silver fable]

really? in the OG?

[topaz anvil]

Yeah

Wait no you might be right

I'm remembering now

[summer echo]

So I know amounts of pack resources are mostly the same across levels but are things like cfoam nades, mines, fog repels etc also predetermined

[dry pumice]

More or less.

[slow stone]

There are different basic sets like melter/flashlight/glowstick and cfoam nade/cfoam mine etc and from those 1 of the sets is picked

[dry pumice]

There are pre-determined amounts of those plus or minus, but they don't seem to give a shit where to spawn

You can find the same explosive mine either in the very first locker in the level, or the very last one. Which... Rather annoying.

[tardy ingot]

each zone has unique spawn sets afaik

[hidden ridge]

I remember OG R4 requiring 1 PE completion and some other sectors

Cant remember if OG R5 did that too

[summer echo]

Was just wondering because I'm doing R3C1 rn and I found 3 explosive mines right at the start which... is basically all I need for my strat across the level unless I fuck up or want to pull a room so I was wondering if bringing 3 sentries might be viable if I die again lol

[silver fable]

it did

required certain counts of mains, optionals, and PEs to unlock each tier I believe

[hidden ridge]

Not necessarily, I know this because I've ran a good amount of r1a1s and got no mines sometimes, once I got 2

I think they're just "flagged" in the zone as "can spawn" sometimes, but I've no idea how it actually works

[hidden ridge]

If you're with bots just bring 3 sentries tbh

Refoaming isn't a strategy you can usually do with bots

And as along as you keep a door open they always funnel (for the second alarm they should ALWAYS go for the top door if all doors are closed I think)

But if you've a tripmine you might aswell exploit that

[dry pumice]

Honestly bringing 3 sentries is the way to go for 90% of the levels unless you can involve some major cfoam cheese to gain an advantage

[summer echo]

Fair enough

[dry pumice]

They will harass the wave just enough that you can easily just finish off the rest.

[summer echo]

My go-to loadout is always 2 burst sentries and a mine deployer

[dry pumice]

Foam + mine starts are neat, but they work only once until the door is blown up

Then 2nd wave is effectively unimpeded which increases the difficulty of defending from it.
Sentry spam averages this experience out, with all waves being threated the same, lest sentries run out of ammo somehow.

[silver fable]

you'd probably benefit from sniper sentries in r3c1

main issue in that level is that everything kinda explodes when you crack hsu zone

[livid stone]

i aint never heard of that level

[silver fable]

oop

my bad

[summer echo]

I can never find the fukign hsu unit in time so I just die no matter what because the chargers get too much, same issue with friends, although I only did 2 runs of it with them

[silver fable]

it's been a while since I played r3c1

but I imagine it'd be good to place 3 sniper sentries in opportune places outside the zone to catch error chargers

then crack the door, survive the dumb stuff that happens immediately after that (room wakes, scout wakes, whatever)

then rely on the sentries to thin the waves while you hunt for hsu

keep an eye on bio during

maybe look up a map of the hsu rooms so you can beeline to a terminal once the chaos dies down

oh obv. bring hel specials because chargers

you don't really need mines at all to my recollection, just sentry funnel the alarms

[summer echo]

I think next time I play with friends I'll bring the sniper sentry instead of mine deployer, then just have one of us sit at the terminal and ping the HSU and we should clear it fine

and yeah I might try the HEL Rifle again

I like having a special that can deal with giants/scouts easily

[silver fable]

could have one or two people with bio just park themselves at the door with a hel gun/rifle and sentry support

[summer echo]

Aye, this sounds good

[silver fable]

the wave isn't that bad if you can just have someone dedicated to mopping it up

[summer echo]

ty for the advice, hopefully this should go by easy next time since everything up to the error alarm was already smooth sailing

[tardy ingot]

btw try to shoot up the zone (find and kill scout first tho) so you dont have to hold as long

[hidden ridge]

For what it's worth, charger error spawning inside and last room having scout is kind of a shit roll compared to everything else, really

[summer echo]

Last attempt error spawned in the last room, but the scout spawned right infront of the alarm door. I had time to peacefully wham it with the hammer and even mine the door to catch the error spawn. It was glorious.
fingers crossed for a roll like that next time lol

[safe drum]

is it still possible to get the lugubrious pallete

[civic wave]

Nope

But your cosmetics are the least important part of the game

[safe drum]

and why

[civic wave]

Why what

[summer echo]

why can't you obtain it presumably

[hidden ridge]

Because it was on og r6

And tied also to additional sectors

[civic wave]

Yeah it was a specific reward back in time

[safe drum]

it looks so good

[hidden ridge]

when they release alt r6 they'd either have to add only a bit of cosmetics to balance it out or just add a whole batch

[hidden ridge]

Has a very bad stigma

FYI

[civic wave]

Pink palette man will save me

[hidden ridge]

People bitch about "pink man telling me what to do"

[civic wave]

Idk I just use subterranean moss or whatever

Beryl restrained? Can't remember

[hidden ridge]

Half of the palettes look the same to me tbh

[civic wave]

They do

[summer echo]

GTFO apparel sterotypes when

[summer echo]

I use that one too, with the funny yellow flower backpack

[safe drum]

my dude has character look like ada wong

witrh that pallete

atleast we have got a purple one

[silver fable]

and yet palettes are the only drip that makes me feel alive

[hidden ridge]

oh me too

with the exception of the squid ink spaghetti mask from r5 completion

[cinder totem]

hacketts wetworks🔛 🔝

[hidden ridge]

lemon head?

[cloud fox]

daft question, can mines get extra damage from the back or just flat out 50/35 no matter what (Tool / Consumable)

[hidden ridge]

Are you sure tool tripmine does more damage? I think I remember someone saying they flattened that out after og r6

[cloud fox]

I am very positive that tool mines do more than the consumable ones

[hidden ridge]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[civic wave]

I think it'd be the exact same

I mean I guess an easy way to test is to find a level that gives you consumable mines early on and test the difference in falloff/whatever

IE stand about the same difference away from both mines and see how much damage each does, healing up to 100% after each mine

[cinder totem]

yes

[finite oracle]

how many targets can the hel gun and the hel rifle penetrate

[slow stone]

hel gun - 4, hel rifle - 6

but realistically it will be less because you can hit an single enemy multiple times with one shot but it will do damage only for 1 hit

[silver fable]

^yeah due to a quirk in how they resolve the ray cast a single enemy can eat multiple pens

obv. without taking additional damage, a shot can only deal its damage to an enemy once

that said I think the issue tends to be overblown

[craggy pier]

you'll never pen more than 3 in 99% of your games

ive never done it period

[silver fable]

you're usually not going to skewer max pen amount of enemies with a single shot, yeah

my duos partner has been on the longest hel rifle arc, I see a lot of gross charger multikills and never heard a word of complaint about getting cheated out of pen value

[lusty bramble]

Why doesn't he run shotgun

Or machene gun

[craggy pier]

pen is insane already

potentially doubling your damage per shot

[craggy pier]

why are all of the achievments below 10% of playes i litreally did the tutorial and its a rare achievment with a gold outline and my team all died and therres a rare achievment for that too im very confused

[livid stone]

cuz they were recently added

[slow stone]

yeah it also counts old player who dont play anymore

[dry pumice]

Achievements were added last update about 2-3 weeks ago, and game's been out for a while so there's a lot of players who either don't play it anymore, haven't played it after the update, etc, etc ,etc.
It probably counts free weekend players too, who pop in, get destroyed and quit immediately.

But yes, having every single achievement to show up on my "rarest achievements" Steam Showcase to be GTFO ones is kinda hilarious.

NO ONE PLAYS THIS

[livid stone]

i didnt get the achievement for the tutorial until i did it again after the update

[dry pumice]

Yes, almost none of the achievements are retroactive.

Except for "Beat X expeditions" and "Beat X Rundown" because that's all devs can check.

[safe drum]

whats free weekend?

the game becomes free for weekends huh

[dry pumice]

They always let the game go free for a couple of days after updates so that people could try it

[safe drum]

hmm

cool

[ocean spindle]

also those unlock after u complete a mission so people who played r1 to r5 compeltely and then just, dint for r8 do not count

the numbers are higher but steam just cant check it

[dry pumice]

Also true

[finite oracle]

is the ||r3d1|| enemy exclusive t o only that expedition or does it appear again in future rundowns

[ocean spindle]

it appears again

:D

[dry pumice]

Which one of them?...
But no, they are not exclusive and will be re-used, albeit not often.

[ocean spindle]

there is one specific to that level

u should be able to figure it out

[finite oracle]

the ||big mother||

[dry pumice]

Nope, there's about... 10 of them around the entire game? And at least 2 are optional and can be just avoided.

[slow stone]

no?

dont all the enemies reappear at other levels

[dry pumice]

For the longest time we had at least 2 unique opponents who were exclusive to their individual levels.

Thankfully both of them got reused in R8... Some more than others...

[slow stone]

||Pablo and Kraken?||

[ocean spindle]

:D

[ocean spindle]

no i meant one specific enemy that appears as new in that level

cause artek was confused of which one