gtfo-related-questions

[dry pumice]

I highly doubt it's possible.

[tepid sand]

Jish has done it

[dry pumice]

Maybe it is, but like... Why.

[civic wave]

Funny hitbox/animations and no precision multi aside

[tepid sand]

It’s possible

[civic wave]

It's possible

Just the same as a giant really

[dry pumice]

All the risk for no reward.

[civic wave]

Get the limb breaks for stagger

[wind wren]

Do i rly have enough time to get limbbreaks from the front?

[dry pumice]

Which wouldn't be too much of a problem if they weren't dancing tango whenever staggered

[wind wren]

Cuz yeah stealthing from back is kinda dumb question cuz its rly just the same as a giant

[civic wave]

The soft collision hitboxes for staggered enemies are actually horrendous

[wind wren]

Soft collision?

[tepid sand]

When you run through enemies you notice you slow down right?

[civic wave]

That's soft collision

[wind wren]

Is there like a video of that by any chance?

[civic wave]

Hard collision/enemy collision is enemies pushing each other

[wind wren]

Ah I see

[tepid sand]

Nah I didn’t record his 2 BBC 4 striker kite in R1A1

Sorry, 4 chargers

[wind wren]

Lmao

[tepid sand]

He was practicing

[civic wave]

Jish is crazy if that's what they decided they would practice

But I still love them

[tepid sand]

He spawned them in, aggroed, and kited/killed

[wind wren]

That was my 1st thought when I read that

[tepid sand]

Left with above 60 HP

Goal was to clear melee without taking much damage

[wind wren]

I mean uhhhhh if they don't mind feel free to record and upload that next time... sounds like a vid that could teach a lot about kaiting

[tepid sand]

It was barely any long kiting, it was more of circle kiting

[civic wave]

I don't think so, mainly just running around until you get an opportunity to hit

[tepid sand]

Think Tom has a kiting vid

[wind wren]

Uhh Tom?

[civic wave]

Korean speedrunner

[tepid sand]

#guides-and-reviews message

[civic wave]

Hasn't been around latelt

Hinoki might also have a kiting vid

[wind wren]

With chargers that's still impressive in my 600hour (aka noob) opinion

[wind wren]

Thanks

[molten glen]

Its bc there's no reason they should be unavailable if the game is receiving no more new content, and it also locks new players out of rewards they might want just for joining too late into the games life span.

IMO if they were still doing events and releasing equivalent cosmetics to the stuff that's been vaulted it'd be fine, but for example there's not a palette like Crimson Grit you can get any other way than having been there for the event. Lug is closer to pink, Heat is closer to orange, but we have like 4 different shades of black and white.

Imo I think it's fair to be a bit disgruntled about the lack of equivalent apparel when other less appealing ones that are derivative are floating in abundance.

[wind wren]

Found it thanks

[molten glen]

Of course you can just swap vanity using a cheat table in CE but that just kinda sucks to have that be the ONLY alternative to obtaining these items, you can't even get them from doing the secondary or overload objectives. It just kinda sucks imo.

[dry pumice]

FOMO practices just suck in general and very predatory

"Oh no, you weren't playing our game in the specified 240 hours period, sucks to be you"

Thank god its only cosmetics and not even particularly good ones at that, but point still stands.

They just need to implement a mechanic where all the left over cosmetics are unlocked once the player cleared the entire game or something. That would be the ultimate reward and simultaneously solves the FOMO issue.

[rain python]

DRG does this very well

[sudden scroll]

does everyone on team get biotracker achievment or only the person using the biotracker?

[ashen frigate]

everyone

[rain python]

only me

[ashen frigate]

Basically, the achievement becomes invalidated whenever you kill an enemy without having first awaken it and tagged it with any Biotracker. (or if a player joins in progress)

Was it R1B1 or R1B2 you suggested for it Michal ?

[sudden scroll]

i would assume b1 since b2 has extract alarm

[rain python]

B1 doesn’t have extract scan so it’s a lot easier to ping everything. I did it on r6a1 and had one person ping the extract waves and max cap

[ashen frigate]

I think I used R1B1 to test the achievement ; dealing with an extraction wave is too much of a hassle :D

[past mesa]

It is very fast to do on r2b1

We finished it in about 17 mins or something

[fluid patrol]

Hi, how do we download mods for gtfo like the ping everywhere mod?

[vernal nimbus]

R2modmanager

[ocean spindle]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[fluid patrol]

Thank you, is there a guide or a video on it? I can only find this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llHz8EAh9rg

[ashen frigate]

A general rule of thumb is to be transparent about the mods you want to use with whoever you want to play with, so that you are all in the same page.

(this applies to most games with modded content, by the way. I have yet to see a situation where players complained about people being too transparent about which mods they use)

[fluid patrol]

Got it, I just want the ability to ping everywhere 😅

[tepid sand]

Have you guys determined if PingEverything is QoL or not?

We haven’t heard back/get updated yet, and it’s been determined at this moment that it’s not.

[topaz anvil]

God i wish it would be

[tepid sand]

Someone said they messaged Calle, but no update

Calle probably responded but never shared info

You get what I’m saying

[topaz anvil]

The argument is because you can ping enemies that it isn't qol

[ashen frigate]

I think it is still being discussed, as far as I know. I am not sure if a complete list of the known mods and what they bring to the game has been established / submitted to the devs though

[lilac fulcrum]

Most of our office is kinda on vacation or something

[tepid sand]

A little it more than that but you get the point

[lilac fulcrum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid sand]

Yea, but it was months ago iirc

I think the person who messaged Calle just never bothered to update us

So it’s not on Calle or anything

[ashen frigate]

In my own book though, "QoL" should stop wherever the effects of said mod can impact the gameplay of other players in any way.

[tepid sand]

Yes, which is exactly what Tru said

And it was deemed not QoL

[ashen frigate]

Just keep in mind that it is only my own unbiaised opinion, nothing official here

But I just feel like it sits as a decent definition of it ; I am just waiting to know the final say from Calle

[topaz anvil]

I'm mad

I accidentally linked a gif to my image and now it won't send

Can't even copy the text

[tepid sand]

Ah, so assuming Calle hasn’t even determined for dev/admin team, they for sure haven’t gotten back to the one (or more) specific individuals yet

Then we are just waiting on an official definition, yes?

[ashen frigate]

That is what I believe as well; I will remind him when he gets back, just in case

[tepid sand]

Cool, please keep us updated

I absolutely despise Rule 12 breakers

[ashen frigate]

To be honest, there is a difference between someone using a 20% damage booster on both main and secondary weapons, and someone zooming through the map at 300% speed while throwing foam grenades non-stop

But both are unbalanced

[tepid sand]

But the latter is quite literally hacking, which is just banned outright

[ashen frigate]

It is a fine line to walk on

[tepid sand]

Indeed

[ashen frigate]

In the end, we do not want to ban people on the spot, but prefer to get them to stop using such cheats

[tepid sand]

I wouldn’t imagine someone using boosters being banned

[topaz anvil]

Mfw people need perfect boosters to get a clear

[tepid sand]

But someone with infinite ammo would

Cause that’s just not a mod either

[ashen frigate]

I have seen CustomBoosters at 80% damage increase

[tepid sand]

(Cconsole is different)

[topaz anvil]

Some mod weapons use infinite ammo for balance in their rundowns

[ashen frigate]

It is fine to me, as long as it is tailored to the content

[tepid sand]

Yes, but it’s not a vanilla weapon or a standalone mod

[ashen frigate]

In Vanilla, all content is balanced without ANY consideration of boosters

[topaz anvil]

See RedemptionWeapons

(might not be the real name)

[tepid sand]

I would assume that would fall out of Rule 12, I meant specially just infinite ammo standalone

[topaz anvil]

Iirc, the mod balances the weapons to vanilla standards but i might be wrong.

Regardless they still affect gameplay significantly

[jaunty latch]

wont that not even let you join normal games with it installed anyway

[topaz anvil]

I'm not sure, gonna be honest. I don't take mods to vanilla pubs

[vernal nimbus]

is it possible to solo melee tank?

[tepid sand]

Possible? Yea

Probably would take ages

[vernal nimbus]

ok

[wind wren]

If u arent host ud need 17 meele hits(with hammer). If u r host ud need 20. Ud rly be taking ages because of stamina and, well, trying to not die

[twin apex]

so weapon stat mod tell me that highcal 1 shot scout at the body ??
that didnt seem to work or was I too far away

[ocean spindle]

high cal? no unless its the back i think?

but the range on high cal its bad

like, very bad

its 6 meters i think

so anymore than that and the damage falls really hard

[twin apex]

8 meter

I mean tbf

they are pistols/revolver

mid-close range seem like a fair range

also about booster, how long do u have to be in a rundown

in order for it to count as used

cause last time I quit mid game it also take away my booster

[narrow niche]

10? seconds

after drop

[ocean spindle]

wasnt it like 30

or so

also rundowns the mini campaign, expeditions a level

[olive robin]

generally, nothing one shots on body except burst cannonn and scattergun

anything with more than 21 damage a shot will one hit to the back

but you should just aim for the head

[median pulsar]

does anyone know what levels contains p-mothers at the start??
or close to the start?

[minor fractal]

Closest is probably R8A2

[dry pumice]

R3D1 and R8A2 are the only viable options, i believe.

[civic wave]

What's the occasion? I can't remember any levels with one right near the beginning

R3D1/R7D2 are plausible and don't take long, but the pmoms are a bit far in

And, well, R7D2 has its problem if you want to test something ig

[median pulsar]

me and my friend are going for the kill the p-mother without taking any dmg from strikers

[tepid sand]

I agree, I think the fastest way to see a pmom is R8A2 and R7D2

[civic wave]

Ah, I'd probably recommend r3d1 for that because there's loads of resources and no enemies when you fight pmom

[dry pumice]

In R8A2 you even get a free stealth drop on it

[civic wave]

Yeah r8a2 sec is the other option to get a drop on it

[dry pumice]

...but then again you also can exploit R3D1

[median pulsar]

how do you exploit it?

like with mines?

[tepid sand]

Glass wall trick

[civic wave]

Stand up on the middle of the door and shoot through as it's opening

[dry pumice]

You can shoot through the cracks in the warden door as it opens up

[median pulsar]

oh i knew that

but that wont kill her right?

[tepid sand]

You can get her very low

[dry pumice]

Uh... Probably not.

[median pulsar]

oh ok

[dry pumice]

Even 4 snipers hitting all their whole 2 shots will not be enough

[civic wave]

Sniper 🪦

[tepid sand]

You won’t be able to get her very low anymore since BC DPS and sniper nerf

[median pulsar]

does anyone know if the the acheiement to kill the p-mom without taking damage is like if i dont take dmg or is it the whole team doesnt take dmg?

thats the real question

[tepid sand]

But you should be able to get her HP down reasonably

[dry pumice]

Whole team.

[median pulsar]

ok dope

[dry pumice]

Your other option is just surviving the initial baby spawns.

[tepid sand]

R8A2 would be the easiest

[dry pumice]

3 hel sentries could help with that i suppose

[civic wave]

Probably rather a sentry/guns that don't leave anything headless

Can always save some cfoam to chuck on the floor where babies spawn

[tepid sand]

Wait

Nvm

[median pulsar]

im gettting a lot of answers either r8a2 or r3d1

[tepid sand]

I might’ve mixed the achievements

[tepid sand]

Personally R8A2 was the fastest

[civic wave]

Pmom is no damage from babies, mom is no babies spawn

[tepid sand]

You reach mother significantly faster in my experience

[tepid sand]

Ye

[sturdy glen]

I Mean

you just bring 3 scatters and its free

theres not really any discussion to be had

[civic wave]

Yea, seems the play

R8a2 go secondary with all the clients on scattergun

[median pulsar]

oh ok dope

thanks guys 🙂 wanting to 100A% the game

does anyone also know a relaible guide to getting all the logs in the game?

all the ones i have found are not super specific

[tepid sand]

There exists a spreadsheet

[median pulsar]

where

[tepid sand]

#guides-and-reviews message

[median pulsar]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[dire aurora]

Hello! Newbie here. Wondering if bots are any good to do stuff like A rundowns?

[digital mural]

yes

[median pulsar]

@tepid sand sry one more question, the biotracker achievement, is that including enemies that spawn via waves or is that only including the sleepers that spawn on level, and any level reccondations you may have for that ?

[ocean spindle]

ive herd r2b1 its a great level

and i think sleepin enemies do count

[tepid sand]

Every enemy must be pinged

[ocean spindle]

so u must wave every room

[tepid sand]

Sleeping, alarm, everything

[digital mural]

every
single
sleeper

[median pulsar]

what level do u reconmend

?

[digital mural]

R1A1

[tepid sand]

Popular ones are R1B1, R2B1

Not R1A1

Keep it simple

No need for extract error

[digital mural]

i completely forgot about the extract alarm

[dry pumice]

*Expeditions, not rundown. The rundown is the whole set.
And yes.
I have it on a good authority you can complete the whole rundown 1 with them and majority of rundown 2.
After that it will start getting problematic, but As and Bs are always a safe bet, unless with optional objectives too.

[ocean spindle]

depends on the level with optionals

most As are fine and B tiers too

[dire aurora]

Alright makes sense. Thanks! I've heard mixed things about bots so wasn't too sure

[median pulsar]

thank you 🙂

[vernal nimbus]

I found a cheesy corner on r8 so

stamina won't be that much of a problem

[ocean spindle]

smh

[urban vale]

going in blind on r8c1, any recommendations for tool loadout? bio/3sentry, bio/2sentry/mine?

[hazy wedge]

2 sentries are good

[twin terrace]

sniper sentry and burst sentry

[urban vale]

||so I'm at the uplinks on that r8c1 and I can't seem to get through it? I did the verification, did it at the other terminal, says now that I need a public key||

||what's the deal? I need like a public key, I type in "UPLINK_VERIFY Y04" which it tells me to do, and then I got nothing, tells me there's an error and to use the public key. what am I missing here?||

in desperate need of help for this one

[olive robin]

You have to type the word related to y04

It'll be like X02: PAIR Y04: ROAD Z07: PORE

[narrow niche]

you ever done an uplink?

[olive robin]

and you wanna type in ROAD as the code

UPLINK_VERIFY ROAD

[urban vale]

I've done the uplink but nothing like whatever that was

[olive robin]

You should see these on top of your screen

[urban vale]

let me see

like what even is that

?????

[olive robin]

@urban vale get out of the terminal

[ocean spindle]

what

[olive robin]

Look at top middle of screen

[urban vale]

we already wiped

[ocean spindle]

is this r8c1 spoils

[tepid sand]

Yea, and it’s not even specific to R8C1

[olive robin]

Ok, will the code isn't in the terminal, in uplinks the terminal only says what code you use

[tepid sand]

You see this in R7B2

And numerous other levels

R4C1

[narrow niche]

valerian

[urban vale]

ok I'm not seeing anything

[narrow niche]

have you done

[ocean spindle]

no i mean is the uplink different or somethin

[narrow niche]

an uplink

[tepid sand]

No

[urban vale]

I've done reactors

not uplinks

[ocean spindle]

what

[narrow niche]

how

[ocean spindle]

what are u dpin on r8

[olive robin]

You exit the terminal window

[urban vale]

okay

[olive robin]

Like you stop interacting with it

[urban vale]

I exited it multiple times

[olive robin]

And you will see a code

In the top middle of your hud

[urban vale]

we sat doing this stupid thing for like 10 minutes before we died

[olive robin]

It will be a bunch of words

[urban vale]

there's nothing in the middle of my hud

[narrow niche]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Establish_Uplink

[urban vale]

I'll dm you

[lone mortar]

real

[narrow niche]

wait oh my god

the wiki is so cringe

it just assumes people will check their hud

smh

we as gtfo players cant use those 2 braincells

[hazy wedge]

||R8C1 main is a two terminal uplink. One will verify the code, another will have the logs with the codes.||

[tepid sand]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[narrow niche]

also yea its two termi uwu

[hazy wedge]

Sorry 😭

[narrow niche]

??

[tepid sand]

@arctic marten you are godsend

[urban vale]

||so the other terminal has the uplink codes then?||

[urban vale]

yeah well that didn't appear on my screen so

bug?

[tepid sand]

If it’s a corrupted uplink it’ll be different

[olive robin]

||So r8c1 isn't a hud code but a connect to other terminal?||

[tepid sand]

You need 2 terminals instead

Goated picture

[arctic marten]

is it regular uplink or double uplink

[narrow niche]

its r8c1 which im pretty sure is 2 terminals

[tepid sand]

R8C1 is double uplink for iirc

[urban vale]

there's two yeah

[tepid sand]

So you’ll need to find the second terminal

[urban vale]

but I ran to the other terminal and there was nothing

yeah so

[arctic marten]

not mine for the record, got it from here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=schinese&id=2359433203

[urban vale]

we did the thing
it said to verify something on the other terminal

we went there and did it

[olive robin]

You need someone else at the terminal I think

[urban vale]

and then this

[arctic marten]

at the other terminal, type "logs"

and read the log

[narrow niche]

i would recommend having someone else at the terminal yes

[arctic marten]

it will contain the keys and codes

[urban vale]

yes we had people at both terminals

[hazy wedge]

Yes, much easier than the other server farm 🥴

[tepid sand]

One terminal will have a log file called “UPLINKCODES”

Someone will need to read the file to obtain the correct passphrase corresponding to the code

At the other terminal, someone will have to input/verify said code

[urban vale]

so the other terminal has the codes in the logs

[tepid sand]

You need to be on 2 terminals simultaneously

[urban vale]

how exactly were you supposed to figure that one out lmao

[tepid sand]

It says

On the verify terminal

“Sent codes to logs on terminal_XXX”

[urban vale]

bruh

[arctic marten]

this guy is gonna wonder why he only gets 2 minutes to do E2

[tepid sand]

Lol, wouldn’t know since I’ve only done

[hazy wedge]

Me neither, but that's what my friend has told me heh

I do want to do main route tho

[native sun]

@urban vale Do you have the uncropped version of the screenshot you sent?

[urban vale]

well this solved the issue, but yeah
I have the session recorded, why?

there's also a typo in it, which is funny

[native sun]

Because the instructions on where to find the code are probably right above your attempt at putting the code in

[urban vale]

yeah, I just assumed that it meant it was just connecting to the other terminal

you don't really do alot of critical thinking in gtfo runs

||also there are no videos of r8c1 normally LOL, everyone does option [2] instead of [1]||

[hazy wedge]

||Yeah, since you can only choose one or the other||

[urban vale]

||yeah but it's funny everyone who posted a video on it does #2||

[upper drum]

Who tryna play

Need 1 more

[jaunty latch]

||whats the difference again I never did main||

[hazy wedge]

||Gotta get that PE, plus it helps those who are having trouble on that server farm||

[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[upper drum]

No

Lfg need 1 more

[tepid sand]

Main is just double uplinks

Overload is INIT Terminal Sequence (R7D1)

Secondary is terminal command

[jaunty latch]

oh

[ocean spindle]

well u can use the LFG channels to ask for one more person

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[tepid sand]

Yea and you can only do either Main or Overload, not both

R8 choosing mechanic

[upper drum]

Can u play with me

[ocean spindle]

no i cannot

[upper drum]

: /

[ocean spindle]

search on the LFG channels there is a lot of people that can play rn, even without a mic

[hazy wedge]

😱

[ocean spindle]

yes

amazing

chachiwachi

[upper drum]

Lfg need 1 more

Team #592

[tepid sand]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[tepid sand]

Go post there, you’ll have a higher chance of finding someone to play with

[twin apex]

why is there a keybind for use packs on teammates if I cant even use it-

only pressing E work

[tepid sand]

GTFO key rebind is a bit funky

[wanton nimbus]

true

[soft crater]

That is for the setting
"Seperate use"

[fallow maple]

Does the LIST command list items in order of how close they are or is it some different order

[copper valley]

we just unlocked the secret terminal in R8A2 with this weeks code but the bulkhead door is still locked, what we do?

[lone mortar]

@digital mural

[copper valley]

yeah we typed that in and theres nothing

[copper valley]

no commands, doors still locked

just access to the terminal

[lone mortar]

you dont touch any blood doors/commands for main

[copper valley]

o k

thanks

[craggy pier]

Is it maybe possible to solo a giant with a bat just with soft stagger

Because the bats stagger got buffed again

Like say you go behind him and just half charge his ass over and over for the double damage, you can easily achieve the 40 stagger smg necessary

Dmg

[mossy aurora]

It was possible before so it still would be

[craggy pier]

Holy shit okay

I gotta try this

I meant no scream btw

[mossy aurora]

You could solo it with only light taps before, it wasn't that easy though

[craggy pier]

I see

I know you can just full charge his chest over and over with the bat until he stops living

But it occurred to me that maybe you can just bully him

[hidden ridge]

I remember when I called those that and someone went batshit because "it's actually corrupted uplinks"

[narrow niche]

i think the blood doors are fine

i was able to do them

[cinder totem]

do the cfoam nades and deployable mines count as using a ''tool'' for the achievment where u can't use any tool, after completing r1c2 i didn't recieve the achievment and that's the only reason im thinking as to why i didn't get it?

[topaz anvil]

I do not think they do

[devout bridge]

cfoam nades should be ok. There was a bug that did prevent the achievement from working correctly when using tripmines, looking at the latest patch note it should have been fixed but it wouldn't be surprising if the fix doesn't work

[topaz anvil]

Did you bring bots?

[cinder totem]

i brought 3 bots gave all of them mine deployers and not a single time used any

only used the cfoam nades i found and thats about it

[lilac fulcrum]

anything interesting in the log file?

[soft crater]

We live in a Era where "Fixes" can't be trusted if they actually fixed things

[narrow niche]

:p

[narrow niche]

:D

<3

[tepid sand]

Lmao

[lilac fulcrum]

I hear ya on how that may feel so. I can tell you that we did fix the original bug with this ach as the consumeable tripmine was being triggered the same way as the tool tripmine, and we added in an extra check that covers if any consumeable is used to not invalidate.

I did hear a report from someone else that the run was invalidated even when not using the tripmine, but we've been unable to reproduce it. i there was a different unknown cause I'd love more info so we can get it fixed too. But I think it's a little unfair to say that you can't trust we fixed something when we did fix what we could find and repro.

[dry pumice]

You sure? No random rng mines, glowsticks, fog reps?

[devout bridge]

if it was with 3 bots, maybe kicking/re-adding a bot from lobby ? Don't know if the achievement has to be done with a full team

[dry pumice]

That could be it. Achievements don't seem to like lobby fuckery very much.

[cinder totem]

nop absoloutely nothing just the cfoam nades i used and thats it

[cinder totem]

i always kept them in game didn't have any issues with them bugging out

[dry pumice]

Hm weird.

How did you used them precisely?

I had them ruin the achievement for me too it seems. I throw one at a giant to freeze him. The other time I threw it in the floor just before extracting and still got the ach.

[cinder totem]

i used one right before the extract when they come from the middle zone, aka cfoaming the bottom of the ladder and i cfoam naded some of the doors too

[dry pumice]

Hm.

Could enemies being frozen by cfoam be it then @lilac fulcrum ?

[lilac fulcrum]

shouldn't as the invalidation is when a tool is actively used, i.e. placing a tripmine, using glue gun, etc, not on the enemy interacting with the tool

anything in the log file?

[dry pumice]

There was nothing in mine, it doesn't record it.

At least I couldn't find anything related to this particular achievement.

It loved checking "flawless tank kill" though.

[cinder totem]

could a normal deployable tripmine possibly count as if i used the mine deployer?

[dry pumice]

Yes.

[lilac fulcrum]

you mean the consumeable you find in the level?

[cinder totem]

yeah in the lockers

[dry pumice]

It shouldn't.

[lilac fulcrum]

No, that was fixed with the last patch

[cinder totem]

intresting

[dry pumice]

I used one and it was fine.

[cinder totem]

i'll give the r1c2 another go probably sooner or later and ill see if it gives it or not

[lilac fulcrum]

I'd recommend using humans instead of bots, as bots can sometimes do interesting things.

[cinder totem]

i mean, as long as you don't make them place anything it should be fine tho

[dry pumice]

R1C2 is cursed with bots.

Chargers beat their ass.

R6C1 is how I did it.

[lilac fulcrum]

in theory, however bots sometimes shortcut code differently than human playes, and they do stuff humans don't, so it could cause unpredictable nature

[lone mortar]

real

[lone mortar]

theyre in the walls

[cinder totem]

haven't really started R6 yet so im not on r6c1

[lone mortar]

THEYRE IN THE GAWD DAMN WALLS

[floral acorn]

mucho respecto for the aliens quote good sir

[vague bridge]

worlds largest understatement

[soft crater]

I prefer to play with "interesting" humans

[lone mortar]

its both aliens and blark reference

[lone mortar]

such as me fr fr

[slim viper]

I know that there is a proximity alert when bonking enemies (like within a pair of meters enemies will wake up)

I also know their are some long range bonk aggros (within 15 meters a glowing enemy will aggro)

But there also seems to be some RNG. Like a long range (10 or so meters) enemy might wake up on a bonk even if not glowing

I've seen mixed on whether there is an RNG component figured id ask

[civic wave]

Iirc long range aggro is an rng chance for glowing enemies to wake, I've heard that the not glowing thing is just desync/enemy states not updating quickly enough

[soft crater]

50/50

Knife being 25%

[sturdy owl]

I shot a giant in the head with a koning sniper yesterday during r1c1. Didn't die. Is that normal? It was definitely in range. As long as it still has a head, shouldn't it deal full crit damage? I was the client not host

[hazy wedge]

Prob shot its neck. Head model gone but hitbox is still there

[digital mural]

are you sure it was a headshot?

[sturdy owl]

ah ok. didn't realize hitting the neck also blows off the head. Probably did that since it was in the middle of combat and very awake

[cinder totem]

trying the biotracker achievement, do we need to scan every single enemy including the ones in the alarms or purely the ones that are on the map in rooms?

[minor fractal]

Alarms are included

[cloud fox]

all of them

[ocean spindle]

every enemy sleepin and on alarms so u need to pull a lot of rooms

[cloud fox]

basically dont kill anything if it doesnt have a ping on its head

[cinder totem]

would u recommend r1b1 over r1a1 in that case, considering for r1b1 u only need to do one class 3 alarm?

or was it class 2

[devout bridge]

if you choose r1b1 you'll have to do 3 alarms tho

[cinder totem]

no?

u do the 1st alarm and then go in the free zones

oh wait

i forgot

💀

[devout bridge]

then you'll be missing the sleepers behind the security doors

not that they are particulary difficult tbh

[minor fractal]

If you're good, R1B1 is the easiest to do solo because no extraction alarm.

Extract alarms are the main hangup with that chievo.

[cinder totem]

that's why we thought of doing r1b1 cause no extract alarm

[minor fractal]

Giant zones and the last class III are the hardest parts.

Scouts could be tricky, I guess.

Actually sounds like a neat run, I might just do that...

[cinder totem]

do we need to alert

the scout?

[minor fractal]

No sentry is spooky.

[cinder totem]

or can we bio the scout and kill em

[minor fractal]

Bio then shoot should work.

Oh, so actually not that bad.,

In my head I'm thinking you have to either stealth kill it w/out killing anything else or pull it w/ the room

But yeah, you can just pull room while killing scout.

[sweet ferry]

How many of you have done R4C3? that mission is hard asf

[minor fractal]

Probably most people here.

It's not that hard, but it's a pubslayer.

[ocean spindle]

i think its hard and i die

[sweet ferry]

the fog and all the chargers are no bueno

espeically when you get past the Main Bulkhead security door and its just like 8 big chargers and a scout

[ocean spindle]

:D

[jagged shore]

Ooc you doing it with optionals or main only?

[past mesa]

Have you played with scatter gun

Just tell your team that you are gonna cook and single handed clear all the bbcs

[sweet ferry]

lmfao

[narrow niche]

So real

[narrow niche]

Trust me

Pistol clears bbc

[sweet ferry]

high cal pistol?

[minor fractal]

I am trying to decide on the worst solo loadout

Do you think I take HEL Auto Sentry or Shotgun Sentry?

[narrow niche]

It does 4.64 DMG what else could you ask for

Main pistol will work

Trust

[neon gust]

damn high cal does 4 damage?

insane

[narrow niche]

:3

<3

[civic wave]

Do you have any personality traits or am I expecting too much?

[narrow niche]

No

<3

[tardy ingot]

Why a sentry?

[rain python]

Ur insane

[minor fractal]

I think bio is probably better than the worst sentry, even alone.

[rain python]

Don’t need a bio if you memorize the layouts and spawns

[tardy ingot]

i think bio is probably harder on most levels

even an auto sentry and shotgun sentry give shooting coverage

[minor fractal]

Ehhh

Doesn't really fit what I'm going for.

[tardy ingot]

watcha going for specifically

[rain python]

Burst pistol/Short rifle/ shotgun sentry / knife

[minor fractal]

It just feels too close to "don't use it"

for a tool

as opposed to having a tool but it's very bad.

And it's not so much the worst loadout solo so much as the worst loadout, and I'm playing solo (although I might factor a lack of bio symbiosis).

[tardy ingot]

ah

[minor fractal]

It's this but spear, I'm just not sure if HEL Auto or Shotgun is worse.

[tardy ingot]

was thinking, because lots of weapons are better in solo than other good ones usually due to having to wave clear more

[rain python]

HEL Auto has utility where shotgun sentry eat tool and lie 😔

[tardy ingot]

hel auto is probably worse to just plop down

shotgun sentry if plopped down badly doesnt shoot much

but hel auto actually does smth if placed well :/

i also do think that if you want a more „worse“ loadout id take sniper

it completely invalidates your wave clear on the special for a sole focus on giants and hybrids.
It might be better in a team setting, but i think its just so much worse solo that its laughable

[minor fractal]

Same issue as bio.

Technically, it is the worst loadout for what I'm doing.

But it's not the worst loadout.

[tardy ingot]

well if its just the worst loadout its just

AR (prob?)
Short rifle
Shotgun sentry
Spear

No?

[minor fractal]

Imo, burst pistol is probably worse than AR.

[tardy ingot]

tho i think a true worst loadout has garbage synergys

[minor fractal]

I could be swayed on that, but...

[tardy ingot]

smth like

Slug shotgun
Sniper
Shotgun sentry
Spear

also funny

cuz its 4 S

and shit is a word starting with S that has 4 letters

[hazy wedge]

Best synergy loadout: helpp/veruta/auto sentry/bat

[olive robin]

I feel like a solo knife is worse on a level with more than a few giants

Spear is hated on too much

[ocean spindle]

a solo knife? obv

knife its kinda the worst melee for bigs... well that and bat b but i digress

of course spears better cause in solo runs u shoot enemies more than run at em, cause ur alone and 4 5 are already too many to go in hammer

or, knife i guess

but still on a team a knifes better than a spear

[minor fractal]

Giants are not that hard to knife, though.

[spark yew]

I run at enemies all the time with spear, just run, half charge then drag the tip over some heads and it pops almost everything

[ocean spindle]

spears slow runnin, big charge and reliance on headshots its just so sloppy

[spark yew]

Don't need full charge unless it's a giant or charger tho

Might not even need it for charger either iirc

[ocean spindle]

the big charge on hammer works cause same as spear u dont need to full charge and u can run at enemies, think it even charges faster
on bat u need headshots to kill but u always stagger

and knife its just so fast it annihilates even if it does require precision

[olive robin]

u solo giannts with a knife?

[ocean spindle]

u can now

[olive robin]

ik u can

[minor fractal]

It is not that hard anymore.

[olive robin]

you need to land like 5 perfect hits to the back

or u dont break a limb

[minor fractal]

Iirc it's a 3-tap, but 4-tap is still not bad.

[ocean spindle]

same as bat practically

[olive robin]

bat staggers though

knife does not stagger

[ocean spindle]

knife staggers too

[olive robin]

unless u break limb

[minor fractal]

Bat is much safer from front.

[ocean spindle]

the bat small stagger its a nothing thing it lasts very little

[olive robin]

when i try to melee giants with knife

they spin around

[minor fractal]

It's kind of a big deal

You can miss limb break, and then bait melee in reaction

[ocean spindle]

u dont get to do anything with a small stagger, either they punch or scream before u are half charged

[minor fractal]

Vs. knife where if you miss you probably get clocked.

[olive robin]

you can safely use small stagger to cancel tongue

just step back to bait tongue

and yea, knife can solo a giant but if you miss one hit to the back you get smacked

and giants like to not stay with their back to you

knife is 200% the worst weapon to melee giants with

[ocean spindle]

mh i guess it is the worst one but it is not that far away for me

i wouldnt do it with either and if i could with one i probs could with the other

[olive robin]

bat is

so much more reasonable to solo a giant with

you can 2 hit a limb from the front

[ocean spindle]

mh i guess its not ideal but stagger helps

yeah

[jaunty latch]

I thought it still 1 tapped limbs when fully charged

[ocean spindle]

yeah from the back

[jaunty latch]

I swear ive done it from the front fairly often before but someone else might have shot it first

[ocean spindle]

on some animations too the giant turns around and u can make it look like u broke a limb from the front i think

[native sun]

Do not recommend, your burst canon player will feel sad because that room is the only reason they brought burst canon

[vernal nimbus]

does the sniper sentry focus on bigger targets?

or how does the targeting priority work

[ocean spindle]

all sentries aim at the enemy that is more behind if im not wrong

[vernal nimbus]

oki

[lone mortar]

[silver fable]

if we're talking hinoki/t-nenpi D tier solos, maybe

if we're talking typical A/B tier solos that most of the community does, knife is pretty common

can't think of anything in the latter category where I'm really sweaty about wanting to melee bigs

besides which, knife excels at something, whereas spear is completely overshadowed

[silver fable]

spear
bullpup
short rifle
hel auto sentry

imo

you can haggle about whether bullpup is worst main, but for sure it's the most stereotypically bad main

[soft crater]

The worst main

And it got nerfed recently as well

[silver fable]

yeah I think I would regard bullpup as literally worst main

but some might disagree

similar deal for hel auto sentry

you can make arguments for it, and it's less functionally jank than shotgun sentry

but it's the epitome of noob bait

[soft crater]

Shotgun sentry

Can at least be used

And deal dmg

[silver fable]

I would honestly use hel auto before I'd use shotgun sentry

yes there are setups where shotgun sentry can clean up

but I just don't want to work with a tool that's fundamentally borked

and has had its numbers tuned into the sky to compensate

fix the targeting (and obv. rebalance the numbers back into a sensible place) and I'll give it a shot

[soft crater]

Make it scale to amount of players using shotgun sentry again

[olive robin]

spear gets so much hate

for 0 reason

it has so much reach

[silver fable]

part of it I think is that it's noob bait

like bullpup

[olive robin]

spear is the easiest to solo a giant with

well the safest

[silver fable]

it attracts players with traits that aren't relevant in experienced play

[olive robin]

so the issue isnt that its bad

but not optimal

[silver fable]

so it gets eye rolls for that

like, it's for sure worse against scouts than hammer

[olive robin]

what

how

it has more range

[silver fable]

because you're far better off having movement speed and forcing a deploy with run than having the extra range which in practice is tiny

[olive robin]

the range is not tiny

its so noticeable...

[silver fable]

but noobs don't understand the best ways of meleeing scouts

[olive robin]

u keep bringing it back to noobs

obvs a noob is gonna suck regardless

[silver fable]

because experienced players just about always aggravate the scout to force a deploy when bonking

[ocean spindle]

the range doesnt matter when its so bad againts combat, its good for stealth and good for learnin but in combat which is a very very big important part of saving up ammo its so terrible

and tbh in sneak i have my doubts too

considering it needs headshots still

[olive robin]

the spear has 3m of range

enemy crouch alert is 2m

[silver fable]

that's the other side of things, experienced players integrate melee into active combat more and spear is terrible at that

[olive robin]

so its not that the spear is bad

but its not good at aggressive stealth

which is more of a playstyle than the "correct" way to play

[ocean spindle]

no it is bad on combat and sometimes on sneaking due to its headshot factor
u can pardon knife and bat on headshot factor cause they are way better on combat

and also way faster on charge and running

even if u slow sneak

[olive robin]

idk the range is discounted so much by you all

[sturdy glen]

wtf is crouch alert

[ocean spindle]

if range its the only thing u praise in the game sure

all the other stuff drags it hard

HARD

[olive robin]

when you are walking, enemies within 7m will glow
when you are crouching, enemies within 2m will glow

[silver fable]

becomes correct in harder levels

[neon gust]

you mean holding W and just hit things while still walking 🤯

[sturdy glen]

that is not how it works

[lone mortar]

lol

[olive robin]

yea thanks for the definition

[lone mortar]

i have never heard of this

[tepid sand]

MISINFO ALERT

[olive robin]

it is

[tepid sand]

[sturdy glen]

crouched movement does not cause glows period

[lone mortar]

we love seeing misinfo getting spread

[neon gust]

im pretty sure all melees do that

could be me tho

[hardy grotto]

i think people just care too much abt what people run tho

[olive robin]

it does

[neon gust]

helgun sucks male chicken

[olive robin]

im p sure it glows within 2m

[sturdy glen]

it doesnt

[hardy grotto]

ok u crossed the line

[hazy wedge]

That's just called personal space

[sturdy glen]

enemies do their normal glow cycle if you are crouching near them

[ocean spindle]

tbh i dont care i sometimes do run spear but they just said it gets too much hate when it doesnt deserve it
when it like, no it kinda does

[lone mortar]

roosters you mean

[olive robin]

if u are crouch walking

enemies will glow when you crouch walk near them

[hardy grotto]

i think the range is pretty neat

[lone mortar]

[hardy grotto]

its just not rlly for me

[sturdy glen]

do you want me to record doing a dance next to a sleeper while crouched

[tepid sand]

???

[olive robin]

the range for enemies glowing when you crouch walk is smaller than regular walk

[hardy grotto]

i keep meaning to try it vs nightmare enemies to see how it plays vs them esp as client

[lone mortar]

1st of all

[olive robin]

as in you can crouch walk closer to an enemy without waking them

[neon gust]

no

[jagged shore]

Yes chill, do it, you will see you are wrong

[lone mortar]

you dead wrong my guy

[neon gust]

ok

[olive robin]

thats how its worked when i've played

[sturdy glen]

brb ig

[neon gust]

iu think my man got it confuse

with

the time interval

[lone mortar]

what BD said

[ocean spindle]

i like the range and the big guy dispatch machine it is, but everything else warrants the hate, like dont defend spear so hard kmdkm
they just been mentioning the range, thats it

[hardy grotto]

i mean there has to be a worst melee

[tepid sand]

Crouching near an enemy doesn’t do anything iirc, even if it is during its glowing state

[hardy grotto]

spear does probably take the slot

[tepid sand]

Unless you spam crouch

Crouch walking shouldn’t change anything

[jagged shore]

There is 100% a range that if you're close enough then crouch movement causes yawning

[hardy grotto]

but i dont think its unusable

[olive robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/vmbmg2/stealth_in_gtfo_p1_a_comprehensive_guide_w/

this is the post

ig i saw it right when i started

[hardy grotto]

if this is a rayalot post

[ocean spindle]

even so it has some strengths, but still yeah when u just have the reach as ur argument...

[hardy grotto]

i know its gonna be

[olive robin]

The following will cause dormant enemies to glow:

Crouched movement within ~2m (requires LoS; includes entering a crouch).

Standing movement within ~7m (requires LoS; includes standing up).

Jumping or landing on the ground within ~7m (requires LoS).

Shining a flashlight on sleepers.

thats what it says

if its lying then idk man

[hardy grotto]

yea its a rayalot psot LOL

[olive robin]

guess i was lied to

who tf is rayalot

[sturdy glen]

rayyyyyyy

[jagged shore]

Oh look it was written by rayalot who knows what he's talking about

[sturdy glen]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ocean spindle]

its a raya who lots

[sturdy glen]

it was also 2 years ago

[ocean spindle]

72

[olive robin]

is he some figure

[sturdy glen]

hes our friend

[hardy grotto]

rayalot is a chad

[ocean spindle]

they r in this discord

[neon gust]

you talking like stealth change in any way shape or form

[sturdy glen]

gigachad, even

[hardy grotto]

hes the stealth guy :D

[lone mortar]

RAYYYYY

[ocean spindle]

u probs seem em a ton

[olive robin]

is rayalot lying then?

[hazy wedge]

An r7d2 enjoyer

[ocean spindle]

u just dont remember em

[olive robin]

ur right

[sturdy glen]

2 years ago I wouldnt be surprised if no one knew how it worked

[olive robin]

sounds familiar

[ocean spindle]

el rayaparados

[jagged shore]

No, you are correct
That is literally how it works these guys are on Crack

[sturdy glen]

@minor fractal hi ray

[olive robin]

idk man at least when i play i find his stealth numbers make sense

[sturdy glen]

ig I can do the giant knife solo clip while im at it

[olive robin]

the battle of who is more deluded

[minor fractal]

Chill, it is legit.

I use it for force aggro sometimes

[neon gust]

only thing that i know there was its the crouching just delays the glow

[lone mortar]

you heard the man

break it up guys

[olive robin]

so the crouch alert is real

[minor fractal]

Because it's a good way to glow a specific enemy

[lone mortar]

legit confirmed

[minor fractal]

without glowing any others

[olive robin]

its real

[lone mortar]

[olive robin]

therefore, i am correct to say spear can melee enemies outside crouch alert range

[sturdy glen]

are you 100% sure its not confirmation bias

[past mesa]

yes

[native sun]

@sturdy glen It is legit, though note there is also a grace period after they go dormant again only for crouch walk (but within 0.8m there is no grace period)

[sturdy glen]

oh

[olive robin]

u all were so confident

[sturdy glen]

ok that makes sense then

[jagged shore]

This isn't even hard to prove

[olive robin]

haha!

[tepid sand]

[olive robin]

i was right

[jagged shore]

The grace period is interesting though

[silver fable]

dang, spear S tier I guess

[olive robin]

spear has its uses

gets too much hate

[silver fable]

spear nerfs pls 10cc

[ocean spindle]

spears still bad

[neon gust]

lmao ^

[olive robin]

no

[ocean spindle]

has its uses

[olive robin]

you just dont like it

[ocean spindle]

i use it

sometimes

[olive robin]

yea and u dont like using it

ur just a masochist or something idk

[neon gust]

spear its a support melee

[ocean spindle]

i did my solo run of r1b1 with a spear pls dont ask me why

[olive robin]

doing things you dont like...

[neon gust]

but your not ready for it

[hardy grotto]

spear was most fun when i used it in combination with blackhops

[sturdy glen]

interesting, ive always just played around the grace period without knowing then

[ocean spindle]

i like using it but its bad

i can admit it

[silver fable]

the flipside of this is that people believe spear deserves buffs

[hardy grotto]

if i hear someone say dmr is a support weapon or smth im gonna cry

[lone mortar]

Crab hes so trueeeeeeeeeee

[olive robin]

i have a 4 man who uses p much all spears and im the only one who takes knife

[olive robin]

it doesnt

totally a solid weapon

[ocean spindle]

it is metal

[olive robin]

if they want buffs for it sure ig? idk i dont really like spear

[neon gust]

also i did confirm what crab said by accident but with different wording lmao

[tepid sand]

Based

[neon gust]

i just realize

[silver fable]

like, people get shitty when someone doesn't put their favourite weaponn in S tier

[olive robin]

there is no S tier melee

[neon gust]

sorry its a B tier weapon

[silver fable]

then 10cc nerfs it and they're like "wtf but it was balanced and fair"

[lone mortar]

i mean

[olive robin]

idk how u can even have a tier list for 4 melee

[neon gust]

i will now rallk over you

[hardy grotto]

uh

[lone mortar]

where does hammer stand now lol

[hardy grotto]

u have 4 melee weapons

[olive robin]

there are literally only 4, how can you tier list it

[hardy grotto]

and a tier list

and u put them on spots on said tier list

[tepid sand]

Eva:

[olive robin]

idk i just find it silly

[sturdy glen]

its less a tier list and more a ranking

but I mean

a tier list is just a big ranking

[hardy grotto]

i find most of what goes on here silly cause its the same argument over and over

[olive robin]

either way its less about how good a weapon is stat wise, and more how good a person is with it...

[hardy grotto]

well done

[olive robin]

this is true

[neon gust]

3 years late

[hardy grotto]

you are breaking free from the hive mind

[hardy grotto]

sometimes i wish i never started being active here

[olive robin]

i think i've even had the 2m crouch range argument before

[jagged shore]

Yeah gun ranking discussions have gotten so so tiring for me

[neon gust]

join the time loop

its like dr strange

[olive robin]

everything at F, put carbine at S

scatter too

call it a done deal

[neon gust]

there was one in 2021

[hardy grotto]

i dont mind a gun discussion every so often but when its all that happens and its also people completely missing the use of the gun

and spreading misinfo abt it, its just useless

i see it so much in here and other areas and its so tilting

[neon gust]

dont worry you have another 2 years before GTFO chapter 2

we can keep talking about the same things

[hardy grotto]

im gone long before that friend

[neon gust]

join the time loop

[hardy grotto]

ill finish up my duos

get my achievements

and then im probably tapping out LOL

[tepid sand]

I’m waiting for that DoW Cyberpunk GTFO collab

[hardy grotto]

unless smth cool happens in modded scene that drags me back in

maybe one day ill finally play through samdown

[neon gust]

breaktrough

my beloved

actual community

[olive robin]

cant wait

well theres one we cant argue about

whether or not the dashing was bugged or intentional

[native sun]

Bethdown when, be the smth cool you want to see in the world

[tepid sand]

Intentional

Intentionally bad

[hardy grotto]

mine would just be a hard vanilla rundown

with buffed guns

[olive robin]

it got fixed/remade in the patch tho

[hardy grotto]

it wouldnt be anything mindblowing

[tepid sand]

Yea

And it sucks

Still

[olive robin]

it was 100% forgotten previously though

[tepid sand]

It was “broken”

[olive robin]

yea

[tepid sand]

You could see it

[neon gust]

i use it just fine

i dont knkow

[tepid sand]

It was a light dash

[neon gust]

maybe im not stupid

and just spam it

[tepid sand]

They fucked stamina for everything

[olive robin]

idk

[neon gust]

idk maybe just me

[olive robin]

they'll prob lower the cost in next patch

[hardy grotto]

its just not fun to accidentally dash and lose a ton of stam

[neon gust]

^ thats valid

[hardy grotto]

in my humble opinion i would prefer it had no cost at all :D

[neon gust]

but overall it never affected my way of playing

[hardy grotto]

typically dfoesnt affect me massively its just irritating

thats ab t it

[sturdy glen]

I want my stamina back

please

[tepid sand]

They need to redo stamina and dash cost

[neon gust]

they need to redo boosters
stamina

[tepid sand]

Cause they just min maxed stamina fixing dash

[neon gust]

OPERATION HEALTH GUYS

!!!!!!

LIKE RAIMBOW SIX

gtfo its a game full of smoke and mirrors 🥹

[sturdy glen]

@minor fractal do you ever interact with the crouch alert outside of trying to force aggro

[craggy pier]

how do I invite my friends in this game

[olive robin]

@sturdy glen is it even possible to control giant stagger anim?

idk why but anytime i hit heavy stagger with knife the mf spins around so i dont have his back anymore

[sturdy glen]

I dont think so

[olive robin]

ig im unlucky

[sturdy glen]

the spin is horrible for every weapon

knife you just have to gamble that you get the right spot hit cuz gl getting a hitscan on that

[olive robin]

nah the spin is bearable with spear or hammer

very bearable on spear cause you can melee them outside of slap range

[sturdy glen]

thats no longer no scream though

I mean its horrible for no scream

[olive robin]

a full charge on spear would break a limb and cancel it though right

[sturdy glen]

only once

you dont have time to full charge again

[olive robin]

if you left the head for last

ig u could do it

cause you could get the head on a lower charge if it does spin

[sturdy glen]

need the starting damage

[olive robin]

but at that point you would be throwing

[sturdy glen]

its not worth

[olive robin]

yea

[sturdy glen]

you lose a whole limb or more worth of damage

probably 2

[olive robin]

ig just cope if they spin

or have a friend on backup duty

[sturdy glen]

spear just gets fucked

[olive robin]

hammer does a halfish charge right

[sturdy glen]

I havent practiced enough with spear to know if you even CAN recover it

but the rest of them you can, it just sucks

[sturdy glen]

60% I think

[olive robin]

spear only does 17.5 at full charge

[sturdy glen]

id have to check again

its either 60 or 70 I forget which

[olive robin]

so u would need a lot of charge to get a limb break from front on spear

for a brief period i toyed with the idea of using bat to get heavy stagger

a charge from front to a limb

follow with a light

theoretically the heavy stagger would let you get in another charge + light

which would do 15

[sturdy glen]

I doubt it, though bat comboing might be fast enough

its a full second for a charge

[olive robin]

yea

it'd be risky

depends on how fast you can get the combo off

if you could do it fast enough it might be kinda effective?

[vernal nimbus]

any reliable way to pop scouts?

especially the crawling one

I keep hitting arm on accident

[tiny tundra]

If you mean shooters, getting behind them and hitting their head; for them and scouts proper I try to aim at the top of their head and the hammer swing 99% of the time bops them

If they're already moving, just get really up close and personal and aim for the head, individually they're decently less dangerous than strikers

If you mean actual scouts, forcing them to extend so they stand still makes things easier. With spear and hammer it's a full charge anywhere on the head, with bat and knife it's the back of the head. If you sprint for a tiny second next to them it'll force them to extend their feelers and assuming you were charging you have plenty of time to bop them

[keen crystal]

How can I learn to not suck the fastest

[tiny tundra]

Stuck how?

[keen crystal]

Gonna rephrase that

How do I get good

[tiny tundra]

Play a lot. If you need advice on specific things you feel like you're struggling on though more specific questions helps

[silver fable]

imo start soloing A and B levels

[ocean spindle]

those are way harder to hit, tbh id suggest shottin it more than anything
but runnin to it like from the back instead of the front its also a bit better since from front they have a lot of well, body

for the rest same as normal scouts

and if u struggle on normal scouts practice with those first

[silver fable]

I think you bypass a lot of the intermediate hardstuck player phase if you put effort into soloing

[tiny tundra]

Maybe. Altho I feel like they're partly different skill sets, I'm terrible at soloing but I feel like I'm relatively competent at the game otherwise

[ocean spindle]

i think solo teaches good stealth and maybs aim
but strats are pretty much very different on alarms

most times

[tiny tundra]

That's fair

[vernal nimbus]

I keep getting 180'd on

I tried flashlighting to force it to deploy noodles but not too reliable

[ocean spindle]

they move pretty fast dont they

[tiny tundra]

Sprinting is better for forced extending imo

[vernal nimbus]

very

[ocean spindle]

yeah instead of flashlight try runnin
those scouts also detect way faster than normal

but if u hit it notrmally

should have no problem

[vernal nimbus]

oh

[ocean spindle]

like if u run not stop and headshot right away

[vernal nimbus]

it has faster detection?

[ocean spindle]

yeah, those do

and deploy tentacles faster

and suck em in faster

they fast as fuck

[silver fable]

it teaches the following things:

• How to be highly impactful in waveclear. I think you're probably not very good at gunplay if you can't hold alarms solo in A/B tier levels.
• How to maximize tool usage/setups. Sentry line of sight and funnels, mines, etc.
• How to drive objectives forward. A lot of intermediate players don't bother learning to use terminals, don't interpret objective prompts, don't figure out which zones need to be opened and which can be skipped, etc., because they're being carried by the one person in their crew who usually does that sort of thing.
  Solo play also allows newer players to experiment with stealth, melee souts, etc., without worrying about throwing the run for the entire lobby.

I'd also say that I don't think I would've been anywhere near as prepared to start duoing if I didn't have a foundation from solo play

and for the most part duos are just very maximized normal gtfo

[tiny tundra]

Ehh maybe. For what it's worth I can solo A and B tiers; even then it doesn't seem super realistic to me to have beginners do soloing.

[hardy grotto]

Solo play doesn’t teach you much abt playing around a team tho, I know a lot of solo players who in team environments can struggle a bit or fall to playing like they would in a solo

[silver fable]

the asker wanted to get good

[ocean spindle]

tbh between solo runs or bot runs
i almost wanna say, bot runs are better
like apart from bots carrying u in gunplay [not better bots, normal bots can carry u a bit], it checks out
u figure out what to explore, u have 4 sets of tools to experiment instead of just one

u can throw and its only u so u dont bother anyone experimenting

u know u fucked up on stealth cause bots never interfere

[silver fable]

there's still a lot to learn about teamplay for sure

but in terms of trying to rapidly improve and get out of hardstuck intermediate hell, I think solo play is a great route

[hardy grotto]

It helps

It’s how I learned the game in og r5

[tiny tundra]

I think the loop of just recognizing "I keep eating shit to X, how do I not do that?" and either asking questions or thinking about those situations is more realistic albeit admittedly slower

[hardy grotto]

it’s something you wanna do in all environments if you wanna improve

thinking about what went wrong, thinking about what you could do better

I think a lot of ppl don’t really give stuff much thought in this game

[vernal nimbus]

bots can carry you in gunplay?

I find them really passive for some reason

[tiny tundra]

Bots are pretty good shots and relatively ammo efficient during alarms so you'll probably see them shooting less than a human but when they do shoot they have decent accuracy

[ocean spindle]

absolutely, i shoot like an absolute shit ksmdkm