gtfo-related-questions

[neon gust]

That too

[steady loom]

am only getting the options - training, aboutrundown, gtfo discord

[cold quarry]

game is prob full or over then

[neon gust]

Like we said
-you trying to get into a full lobby (you can check of the vc its full)
-massive lag
-not copying the code

Try hosting your own lobby

And put it out there for people to join

[steady loom]

hmm

[neon gust]

#how-to-matchmake

[steady loom]

i will try

[minor fractal]

You can also "refresh" by changing rundowns

[neon gust]

I.choke

[jagged shore]

sometimes i've seen it just be weird and you need a different lobby
host remaking it would work as well, but i have seen it do that

[quick pebble]

Is there a side objective for fog on R1B1

[jagged shore]

no side objections in rundowns 1-3

[quick pebble]

😦

Welp I’m just gonna have to get over it

[wind wren]

Is there a way to consistently dodge tongues? Sliding/running(as in flicking 90° to the side for ½/1 sec) to the side seems to work sometimes but not rly consistently

Skill issue or is there a better way?

[orchid solstice]

if you move in a circle around the enemies you can dodge pretty decently

it then just becomes learning how big the circle needs to be and what can be used to give time to rest to regain stamina

[soft crater]

watch their orientation and move left/right accordingly

[wind wren]

I dont exactly get what u mean

[wind wren]

It's moreso for meleeing so that won't work I think

Maybe I should've said that in the original msg

[orchid solstice]

It can you just have to play around the room you're in to get some good shots in

[latent obsidian]

You never really want to run into a big horde to melee, so wait for enemies to run ahead of the others, OR dodge a bunch of attacks and then run back in to hit while their attacks are on cooldown

[soft crater]

The direction they are facing when attacking.

[latent obsidian]

but you still want to run past to the side of enemies while meleeing too

[soft crater]

Gives you an idea of where their attack cone is

[hidden ridge]

Circle kiting was and kinda is a thing, yes

[wind wren]

Well ofc, but when it's like 4/5 enemies and there's not rly any cover its kinda fine to run in (I usually only get hit once then, twice if skillissue)

[hidden ridge]

I'll be sincere: personally I find kiting much, much more effective as host

[wind wren]

Oh alr, I'll try that out

[latent obsidian]

try and hit one on the side then which means you are still running past the others, like a drive by

[wind wren]

Ouuuu, well then ig it's probably also cuz of my internet, I usually have like 90-150 ping

If host isn't like my neighbour

Alr thanks yall, I'll try all that : D

[brazen hemlock]

does the foam from c foam grenade disappear on surfaces after some time?

[fierce walrus]

yes

same with foam launcher foam

it despawns after like 5 minutes

[mossy aurora]

I thought so too, but then I had cfoam from a nade never disappear from the terminal screen while we were doing an uplink...

[fierce walrus]

i had cfoam disapear from terminals

[wind wren]

How long does a mom take to wake up from beim cfoam naded/trip mined?

Another question, a very silly one: if I were to have x2 melee dmg, could I stealth kill a mom w a spear?

[mossy aurora]

Maybe foam from launcher and nade behave differently, but this was r7c3 1st uplink terminal someone threw a nade at the charger scout and a blob landed on the terminal screen and we waited 20 min and it still wasn't gone

Did the uplink with the blob on the screen manually entering every code

[wind wren]

Fully charged hit from spear would do 262.5 when not host

[fierce walrus]

huh odd, maybe a bug or foam nades actually dont disapear… somehow

[dry pumice]

Nah, she has like 1000 HP so its at least 4 attacks to kill her. WHich means that a full squad of x2 spears could do it...
As for the cfoam - she actually takes a while to taw, but i don't know how much exactly - people just unload scatterguns into her and she dies in like 3 seconds.

[wind wren]

Yeah that was kinda my expectation, very much doubted that it'd be stealth soloable, unless stagger animation would take like 2sec, otherwise mom would just run or start spawning

[turbid vault]

Do we need to complete the secondary adn tertiary missions along with the primary in one go?

[fierce walrus]

you dont have to, they are optional but if you want to complete them then you have to do them and the main objective in one go

[turbid vault]

Thanks mate

[urban mesa]

I just got the game, and I never completed R1A1. Spent 3 hours, and tried to watch some youtube videos. I was suppose to collect the HSU unit sample, but underneath it mention close the hydrostasis...?

[ocean spindle]

HSU means a hydrostasis unit, the game asks for a DNA sample for it

[jagged shore]

idk what that's about
there's no closing anything lol

[ocean spindle]

the text is to warn u theres a scan

that its, close to it i think

proximity is needed to take the sample or somethin like that

[jagged shore]

oh, yeah "get close to it" maybe?

[ocean spindle]

somethin like that mayb but yeah

the HSU doesnt close anything

[dry pumice]

Hydrostasis HSU of R1A1 is a semi random objective. It's always in the same room, but it can change positions in that room.

In order to find the right one you need to learn how to use terminal.
The three most useful terminal commands are LIST, QUERY and PING.

LIST allows you to find resources or specific items.
QUERY finds additional information about the queried item, such as what it is and where it is.
PING (only works on items in the same zone as terminal) pings the desired item with a combination of a directional pinging sound and an orange dot indicator that shows up on your HUD for a couple of seconds.
Ideally you should be pinging and the other guy should find it, but you can also take a mental note of where indicator was coming from and try to triangulate item's position from there.

With 1-1 HSU you just need to approach it and it will show an interaction prompt which will start the scan.

[soft crater]

it is not always in the same room.

For whatever reason. It's like a 90% chance it ends up in that room

The other 10% being the other adjacent rooms to the left or far straight ahead from the class 4 security door

Which are the Hsu's you want to get for speed runs

[dry pumice]

Really? Never happened to me. And I do happen to have exactly like 8 clears on that one...

[soft crater]

58 clears give or take

Probably doesn't include my OG clears

[dry pumice]

Maybe next one will be the one

[soft crater]

But

Some people have had like 80 clears and hit that room every single time

So I don't blame you

Outside of Clearing the Alarms. The key location/hsu location are the rng of R1A1 Speedruns ngl

[dry pumice]

@jagged shore would you look at that... Did they knew it was gonna spawn there or just kept rolling rng for a lucky one?

[jagged shore]

logs told them it was in that room
pretty certain they reset about 1000+ times to get it in there or smth

[dry pumice]

Heh.

[hidden ridge]

@dry pumice if you want I can try to dig up Darkeva's post about it

[soft crater]

[past mesa]

What level?

[jagged shore]

r1a1

the hsu

[hidden ridge]

#gtfo-speed-running message

cant find the right comment

but apparently best-case hsu chance of r1a1 is around 1%

there's I think 4 positions for E room HSU and the game heavily weights on them

[past mesa]

Fuck this lev

It was like 1000 resets

Just to get b hsu with g key

And one of the fuckers in the run ran it one time

[soft crater]

[civic wave]

iirc, 1.27% chance for B HSU, E hsu is ~67% (then it's also 1.27% for C HSU which you hardly ever see, and then the remaining 30% or whatever is D hsu)

keys idk about

although surely there's some key spawns that would be faster than G, like close C, or in A although that's exceptionally rare

[tardy ingot]

yes, but yep rly rare
close C is basically 3 lockers (all next to each other, but 1 is often a hacklock)
B has all hacklocks but all are also fine
A will not happen (its like 0,003%

[civic wave]

I remember I've had 1 or 2 runs that have had close C locker in my logless runs but they died elsewhere

Either to resources/alarm or bad hsu

[lunar rain]

Anyone have a map of where the hsu can spawn in for r3c1?

[tardy ingot]

yea?

what do you need it for?

[lunar rain]

doing r3c1

i havent completed it yet, and i think the problem is that we take too long trying to find the hsu in the one zone

the other zone is easy to find it

[minor fractal]

Wouldn't you just want the terminal location?

[lunar rain]

ya that

not the hsu

[wind wren]

Can pmoms be cfoamed?

[arctic marten]

yes

[wind wren]

I head somewhere it's 2tripmines but not sure

[lusty bramble]

it's one

[hardy grotto]

its 1 cfoam tripmine

[ocean spindle]

just one trip mine

[lusty bramble]

because mine is insta foam

[hardy grotto]

yes, it's one cfoam tripmine

[arctic marten]

I checked the stats spreadsheet and this is true

[wind wren]

Send sheet pls

[lusty bramble]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CC_lsObUbvp7FrGt-MtQrcFvKQGsQ1FRLxIsREG6tu0/edit?usp=sharing

[wind wren]

Thanks guys : D

[clever flame]

no

XD

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[craggy pier]

Ok :(

Do you think that different equipment when it comes to our armor or mask would be cool?

Examples:
Light / heavy mas filters
Light: easier breathing so more stamina, worse filters so more infection
Heavy being the opposite

Big/small backacks, big ones can hold 2 resource packs or consumables but you move slower, small packs work as is

Stuff like that i think would be cool.

Although probably a nightmare to balance

[ocean spindle]

nah

i mean yes

that last part

but we dont need it having, boosters that r already broken

that would just b the same story

kinda

[craggy pier]

I want a DIY apparel set

DIY gas mask from water bottles
Sweatpants and sneaky shoes with small pillows taped under them
A backpack which is just a duffle bag

Stuff like that

The Scheaffer Survivalist set

[ocean spindle]

most, beginners backpacks look cheap

so, good enough

[craggy pier]

I don't feel like they capture the feeling of "this was the closest thing i could find"

They're very utilitarian

[ocean spindle]

fair enough

would b funny tho yeah

i would kinda like to see that

[cold quarry]

damaged/scrappy gear would be cool

gas mask with some duct tape covering a break

[jaunty tapir]

Im still waiting on the hand crank fog turbine

[cold quarry]

constant mash-E QTE

thatd be so fucking based

[ocean spindle]

a pvc tube connecting to the back

[jaunty tapir]

Make it play happy birthday non-stop while its being powered

[ocean spindle]

the glass took from 7 phones

[quick pebble]

Wakes up every sleeper in a room when used, can only be used every 10 minutes, only clears fog temporarily

[ocean spindle]

such a step up from the normal fog turbine
u havent seen those but u will

[olive robin]

The issue with the filters thing is you'd only take the heavy one when there was infection, and you'd never take it otherwise. The backpacks would be hard to balance around. It'd be cool, but it just seems too hard to balance

Honestly all I really want from the devs is maybe gun cosmetics/paint jobs and a few new guns

[native sun]

You can't deal more damage than a tumor's HP (even as client - clients only bypass the tumor current HP limit). So you effectively need to pop 8 tumors if you're planning on popping a tumor on each hit - which would require 8 hits, which is not exactly feasible with one player.

You only chance is to stagger with each hit, but even if you have enough damage that you're getting tumor-HP-capped, you'd still need a stagger multi of ~7.9 to stagger with one hit. No weapon has a stagger multi that high.

Your best bet is bat, with enough melee damage that you two shot stagger (only needs ~+40%), and then staggger chaining with two hits.

[vague bridge]

that would make infection levels so much worse

[haughty island]

Guys give me some recommendations how to deal with third code in r5d2(Like when you must clear the room with chargers scouts and big chargers). We have a problem to deal with charger scout and big chargers when the reactor wave is behind you.

[hardy grotto]

2-2 split is probs the play

You have people hold a couple rooms before the respawn zone

And clear reactor waves cause they spawn from elevator side

and 2 people go and deal with the charger zone

[haughty island]

Yea probably the best way, but this is resource heavy. Need to try be more resource efficient

[hardy grotto]

yea ammo can be pretty tight

If ur 2 holders are confident they can hammer the smalls and just shoot the hybrid

Even hammer the hybrid

But shooting it isn’t the worst as long as you didn’t mess up a ton earlier on in the level or reactor

[latent obsidian]

Last time I did it we cleared up to the charger zone and then had 3 people holding on the ridge out of the fog while a 4th shot the charger scout and pulled the room between reactor waves, then stealthed the terminal afterwards

Want to make sure you keep the doors to the adjacent giant rooms intact for that though

[native sun]

I honestly kind of recommend just 4 manning the charger zone. All clear the first two rooms of respawn zone (remember to close the doors when you leave it so you can shoot freely when you get back), hold a reactor wave together on the bridge leading to charger zone, and then open and pull the charger zone between waves. Ideally you shoot the scout, but the big part is not wasting too much time trying to stealth. If it's going to go loud, go loud fast.

[fading holly]

Hello, I am looking to buy the game, i just have one question tho: how is the matchmaking state? Some reddit posts regarded it as being dead?

[spice hamlet]

bought the game last month, mm never worked, I've always found team by using #lfg-beginners /xxx

[fading holly]

Ok

[spice hamlet]

or if you have friends, you can call onto them

if they're willing to play the game that is

[fading holly]

Ok, thanks

[dry pumice]

In game matchmaking is effectively dead.
Not because it doesn't work - but because no one uses it. 95% of the dedicated community matches through local LFG channels - it's basically a tradition more than anything else.

More at #how-to-matchmake

[fading holly]

read that, thanks

Question, is a microphone mandatory for lfg channels? Cause right now i dont have one

[latent obsidian]

No, but its usually preferred

[wind wren]

so that means a full burst cannon shot could surpass the limit cuz its multiple instances of damage that each dont exceed the tumor hp but something like a sniper couldnt?

[craggy pier]

General rule

Don't use matchmaking, it doesn't really work

[latent obsidian]

That sounds like the case to me but Tru will know best

[craggy pier]

The discord server is the main way of matchmaking

[spice hamlet]

ye I gave up on mm the first day

[native sun]

Yes. Particularly evident on scattergun into mom. Can deal 490 damage into a single 126 HP tumor.

[haughty island]

Okay

[wind wren]

I see... thanks for explaining : D

[gusty marsh]

What’s a good primary for weapons with a lot of the spiky headed dudes? My go to of the pistol struggles against them

HEL rifle was the only reason I was able to beat R1C2 with how many of them there were, but if I need to switch to a different secondary for another reason I’m not sure what to take as a primary

[sturdy glen]

Hel revo

Hel shotgun can stagger them but lacks range and won't kill a lot of them safely

[ashen frigate]

Pistol can stagger them decently, but will have a hard time actually killing them

[sturdy glen]

Dmr also works if you want range but hel revo is generally better

[ashen frigate]

They are definitely a type of enemies where Secondary weapons shine

Most Primary weapons are wasteful to use against Chargers

[sterile citrus]

^ what he said. Sawed off if you actually wanna kill chargers with a main.

[olive robin]

How is pistol bad at all for killing them

It's very solid

[dry pumice]

Eh

30 / 4.5

[ashen frigate]

I meant about efficiency

[dry pumice]

7 bullets

Half a mag for a single kill

[ashen frigate]

With their lack of weak points, every single round you shoot at Chargers needs to hit hard, or you lose efficiency compared to an enemy where you can focus the weak spot first, then body.

[dry pumice]

On a good note pistol staggers them with every bullet, so you can keep them at a safe distance that way.

[ashen frigate]

Of course, if you can shoot them in the back, the Pistol is wonderful against them, same with quite a few other weapons ^^

[ashen frigate]

This, exactly. As a Pistol Main, I mostly use it as a stagger tool to support my teamates actually killing them

[olive robin]

I believe in pistol supremacy

A single pistol mag kills a giant if you hit them in the back

[past mesa]

Have you heard of hel shotgun

[olive robin]

I don't like it though

It takes up a ton of my screen

Reloads slow

Less range

Etc

[past mesa]

What fov are you on

[olive robin]

Like 100?

I don't like the screen warping

At higher levels

[past mesa]

Yeah but hel shotgun doesn’t take up a ton of your screen?

[olive robin]

It takes up more than the pistol

And I find pistol more useful against more enemies

[past mesa]

Unfo

he doesn’t know yet

[sturdy glen]

Pov, best argument vs hel shotty

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie destroying a wave, but takes screen

which one do u choose

u know its important to see, the corner

anyways this was about chargers

yeah pistol is not good

against em

[olive robin]

Idk why you'd use your main on them

[sturdy glen]

What range does it stop staggering again?

It's pretty far now right

[olive robin]

Pistol got a range buff yea

[sturdy glen]

Because it has ammo?

[olive robin]

Idk let someone more specialized do it

[ocean spindle]

cause speciales run out of that

[sturdy glen]

What else are you gonna use it on when fighting them

[ocean spindle]

what if duo, or solo, or stuff

[past mesa]

Because you are in a one distance charger surge and you ran out of hel gun two waves ago

[olive robin]

Hammer

[ocean spindle]

bruh

[olive robin]

Fair enough

[ocean spindle]

u dont run at wake chargers with ur hammer

ur gonna get slapped

unless its like, one

[sturdy glen]

Even the charger weapons run out quickly if they're all that's shooting

[past mesa]

The biggest skill in this game is not shooting

[ocean spindle]

goin back to the goat, hel shottie can still stop a wave of chargers just by the stagger, and its not bad dmg againts em

[sturdy glen]

It can kill them it's just really dangerous

Single chargers it's great

But at that point just use sawed off

[ocean spindle]

for the tongues maybs, but if u can find a way to shoot em before they attack u just kinda, get em stuck and can handle em very well

and doin that its not hard on some tiles like mines n stuff

[sturdy glen]

Am referring to waves

[past mesa]

Why don’t you just quick mine chargers

It seems like a good method

[sturdy glen]

Always sacrifice your mines player

[ocean spindle]

i mean, why not just slash kill everything on the console

[past mesa]

Umm because typing making you go slower

[ocean spindle]

smh just have two keyboards one for movin one for typing

[past mesa]

I would but the game locks you out

Of moving if you are typing

[ocean spindle]

just hack the game to control it or have two computers connected to one another idk

find ur way

be more creative

make more daring associations

[vague bridge]

not like its covering anything anyway

[sturdy glen]

Screen should be covered with the blood of your enemies

[minor fractal]

Eco just doesn't really matter.

[craggy pier]

that has got to be the worse justifications for not liking a gun ever

not saying that you should be using hel or you're bad or wrong or anything

i just thought that this sentence was funny

[olive robin]

My motivations are beyond reason

[jagged shore]

Using a gun isn't worth if you hate using it imo

[quick pebble]

Try hel revolver does damage is small has a lot of ammo

[wind wren]

How many mines for pmom?

I would assume like 13/14 since many would get wasted on almost popped tumors right?

[tardy ingot]

Why mine pmom?

[wind wren]

Shenanigans

And funi

[sturdy glen]

oh god

we have another thing to test

are mines affected by client

[wind wren]

That shouldn't matter right?

[tardy ingot]

:^ )

he doesnt know

client vs host dmg on tumors works differently

[wind wren]

Cuz the 2nd mine to hit a tumor can't exceed the vape anyway

Cap

[wind wren]

Me or him?

[wind wren]

I know that, and today I learned

[wind wren]

^

Not that msg in particular but what it responds to

So I'd assume after 1st mine hits the 2nd would only do remaining 63 health of the tumor right?

[tardy ingot]

if it works like client dmg then it would do 250 again

[wind wren]

Actually dis says it better

[tardy ingot]

if it doesnt then 63

[wind wren]

Read the msg I replied to

[sturdy glen]

I think you need to read it again

[wind wren]

I think that means it deals 63 no matter what

Maybe I do

[sturdy glen]

(that is not what it means)

we dont know if mines are affected anyways so we cant answer

hence, why I said its smth to test

@native sun did you test mines as client vs host on pmom or does it not matter

[wind wren]

Ohh I c. My bad

[wind wren]

Wait what does it mean? I dont get it

Oh wait no I'm dumb

I get it

[sturdy glen]

pretty much, it doesnt work how you would expect it to

which is dumb af but its the way it is

[wind wren]

Yeah

It got me hella confused right there. I was so confidently wrong abt it lol

[tardy ingot]

it happens

[sturdy glen]

happens a lot here dw about it

[tardy ingot]

but yea we dont know rn

[lusty bramble]

Just checked the leaked mono build and the code functions just like it's supposed to

It works !

[tardy ingot]

Why did i just imagine saying that just like heimerdinger from league lol

[wind wren]

Uhhh if you don't find enough ppl to test it with hmu

[lusty bramble]

He needs EXPERT perspectives

[wind wren]

Good point, don't hmu I'm too new lol

[lusty bramble]

Only long time gamers will notice the subtlety...

[sturdy glen]

I was just gonna wait till tru wakes up

they might know already

but it also wouldnt surprise me if it wasnt thought of cuz its such an edge case

and doesnt matter on mom or tank

[ebon jolt]

after 8 mines you need 2 sniper shots to finish her off.

[wind wren]

That would make it seem like it's clientside right?

[ebon jolt]

since mines don't pop tumors but rather decrease the total health host or client shouldn't matter

[sturdy glen]

that would make sense

[wind wren]

True

But shouldn't the mines, assume they are lined up next to each other, hit the same tumors?
And basically "work their way through them"

Or is that jus not how it works?

[sturdy glen]

mining bosses is kinda funky

they will just fall over with all their tumors

[ebon jolt]

it doesn't matter. Mines wont damage tumors. They damage the pmom itself

[sturdy glen]

you get basically no feedback on what happens

it just dies or it doesnt

[wind wren]

But then how do they get the bonus? I dont get it.

[sturdy glen]

so the ONLY thing mines care about then is max tumor hp

[haughty island]

Thank you we did it, now "all we have left " is r4e1 and r5e1 💀

[wind wren]

Cuz 7×50 sure af isn't 1k (for tank mine kill)

I'm just gonna wait for trus answer and c if he knows

This is to dank for my puny brain

[ebon jolt]

I guess they just get it. They still have to hit the tumors you know. If you hit the armour the mines won't do damage at all

[split mirage]

I know theres a way to mod GTFO to increase performance. can someone point me in the right direction?
Feel free to ping or dm me

[ebon jolt]

lowspecgaming from jish

[wind wren]

LowSpecGaming on thunderstore

[split mirage]

not free i assume?

[wind wren]

Very free

[split mirage]

oooo. gib link so i can get that working later?

[wind wren]

Yep I'll DM right away

[split mirage]

PERFECT. thanks guys!

[past mesa]

It is 7503

7 x 50 x 3

Because tank has 3 headshot

[wind wren]

Ikik

I was just saying how mines do get the bonus despite seemingly not popping the tumors

(So i have been told, haven't done it myself yet)

[past mesa]

Yeah

[sturdy glen]

im assuming they just

[ebon jolt]

they get it because they are still hitting the tumors. They just don't damage them. They damage the total health pool of the boss enemy

[sturdy glen]

decided trying to make it actually be accurate with tumor damage is just

not worth it

but didnt want to make mines just do nothing

[past mesa]

Mines break sleeper limbs?

[wind wren]

Ahaha I can see that being the case

[past mesa]

like giant head and what naught don’t they?

[sturdy glen]

yea

[ebon jolt]

maybe it is just bugged and not supposed to work how it works rn

no one knows

[past mesa]

we can know

we just look at mono build

[wind wren]

mono build?

[past mesa]

yeah where we can read the code

not il2ccp stuff

[wind wren]

Oh

[sturdy glen]

is it worth another 30 minutes of looping through turret targeting

just to get stuck on parts builder

[hardy grotto]

how much damage does a mine do jish

[past mesa]

50

[wind wren]

50

[past mesa]

what is the joke

beth

[hardy grotto]

I have no punchline

[past mesa]

hmm

[wind wren]

Punching the mine is the punchline

[past mesa]

maybe we should add mine damage to your spreadsheet

[hardy grotto]

ok but why do we use 7 mines

[past mesa]

50x3x7 >1000 so it kills tank

[wind wren]

Cuz 7 times 150=more than 1k

So 1shot

[hardy grotto]

I’m glad there’s an echo in here again

ok ty jish

[wind wren]

Oh my bad u were asking him

[past mesa]

do you know how many mines are needed for mom?

[hardy grotto]

no but I don’t really care abt mom

[hardy grotto]

it’s fine lmao

[past mesa]

is it 1000/5/126

or is it 1000/126

[sturdy glen]

mine is less efficient on mom, add it to the spreadsheet

never mine mom!

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[sturdy glen]

spread the word

!!

[past mesa]

will do

[tardy ingot]

either 4 mines kill mom, or 8

[hardy grotto]

this is the level we’ve reached

[past mesa]

will play three pubs to tell them today

[wind wren]

Lmao

[tardy ingot]

If i had the skills id draw you leaving to join pubs with a scroll of knowledge

[hardy grotto]

do we know if mines like

actually damage the tumor at all

As in

if you shoot a tumor that got hit by a mine

Will it instapop

[ebon jolt]

no

[tardy ingot]

tbh how would even test

lol

[past mesa]

6 mines

[tardy ingot]

have it hit a singular tumor, then auto pp?

[past mesa]

shoot tomor

[hardy grotto]

not even autopp really

Just any gun besides sniper

[tardy ingot]

Youd still need to test a bunch of time to resuce chance as a possibility

[tardy ingot]

Oh was thinking of normal mom so i went with lowest

[past mesa]

just use unity explorer

[civic wave]

it doesn't auto pop iirc

[past mesa]

and check the values

[civic wave]

or I just hit wrong tumours, or whatever

I'm adamant that the mines do not deplete tumour hp though

[ebon jolt]

As far as i have tested it mines don't damage tumors at all. They damage the overall health pool

[past mesa]

i think you may be right

[hardy grotto]

weird interaction

[sturdy glen]

do we actually know if mines are even capped at tumor hp

[past mesa]

they are

just checked

[sturdy glen]

awesome

[hardy grotto]

imagine host mines are and client ones aren’t

[sturdy glen]

god

[past mesa]

i cant check that

but i dont think that is the case

[sturdy glen]

add even more ** to the client shit

[hardy grotto]

that’d be funny

[past mesa]

host deals with all tool interatcions

[hardy grotto]

It’s probably not jish

But imagine

[past mesa]

would be sick

[tardy ingot]

4 mining mom

[wind wren]

4 mines for mom op

[tardy ingot]

Tbf

[olive robin]

I hate it. Reg pistol has more per mag and more overall, it does less, but is very controllable.

[tardy ingot]

id still just rather scattergun or BC

[wind wren]

Fair

[hardy grotto]

mom is such a joke these days man

[ebon jolt]

When would you even use that. I guess R4B3 could have an option

[tardy ingot]

hate it, ok i guess

But i hope you dont mean pistol> hel revo lol

[wind wren]

But yk what would be rly funny? +100% mine dmg and 2mine mom

[turbid horizon]

[tardy ingot]

just gotta start doing only knive and only auto pp kills of mom

[olive robin]

It does if im better with it

[tardy ingot]

that would just mean actual skill issue

hel revo outclasses pistol on everything but stagger realistically

[olive robin]

Fire rate is better on pistol

Double the bullets per mag almost

1.5x the ammo capacity

I'm not saying hel revo is bad

I just prefer pistol to it

[sturdy glen]

all that for half the damage and no pierce

👍

[civic wave]

does the firerate translate to anything though? maybe you stagger more but still

you're giving up a lot with regards to range

and yeah, no pen either

5 strikers per mag if you hit all your shots (excluding abusing damage falloff for 2h kills) is funny but

hardly any better than hel revo

[sturdy glen]

imagine if ppl argued for fall off abuse kills

that shit would be so funny

[past mesa]

OKAY

[neon gust]

You should upload you cool stealth kill here

[past mesa]

i think the best way to kill mom with mines

is when they break down a door

[sturdy glen]

which one

?

[past mesa]

you have mines waiting for them

[neon gust]

Everything

So theyll think its impossible to play like that

And that your playing a different game

[sturdy glen]

ah

[civic wave]

I think if you wanted to mine mom, you put the mines on the path to a door somewhere, close the door and mom AI should be predictable

[olive robin]

More than half

[sturdy glen]

thought you were referring to like

mom silent shot stealth kill

[past mesa]

half the dmg per shot

effi never needs to be that high

it would be like playing with combat shotty

infinite ammo

[sturdy glen]

ive been trying to farm pierce clips from jishs rundown

[tardy ingot]

you barely every spam it like that while hel revo you do (especially due to pierce)
If you spam its stuff like giants or when dealing with like a few chargers (but ouch)

While still only dealing 10 more dmg per mag. (1/6th more)

Yet only getting 1 kill per refill more

But then you realize hel revo has pen, which boosts efficiency and dmg per mag

Oh and way more range to kill :>

[civic wave]

pistol is a quaint gun but I don't think I'd ever use it in current version because I hate the way the model recoils

[sturdy glen]

its barely more than half but yes

[olive robin]

Pistol is 4.64, 4.02 precision
Revo is 8.01, 5.9 precision

[sturdy glen]

please

tell me what this does for it

[tardy ingot]

Theres a reason hel revo has at worst been 2nd best main since its been released vs pistol even now being like… 6th or 7th best (8th personally)

[wind wren]

I might be missing something obvious, but, aren't caribines stats kinda insanely good? It looks like it's about as good as hel revo for the most part

[sturdy glen]

it is

its top 3 mains

[ashen frigate]

Still top 1 isn't it ?

[tardy ingot]

^
More realistically top 2 as hel shotty (while giga busted stats) actually has downsides

[sturdy glen]

depends on who you ask

imo its hel revo

[tardy ingot]

hel revo has higher skill cap

carbine has more base line power

[sturdy glen]

I still dont agree with that

[tardy ingot]

Carbine is unironically a good beginner gun

[hardy grotto]

hel revo is easily the best

[ashen frigate]

Carbine is just more easy to handle / more versatile

[tardy ingot]

Hel revo also becomes a lot better when multiple players have it that are good with it

[wind wren]

That's kunda what i thought when looking at it

[tardy ingot]

carbine doesnt

[wind wren]

Why so?

[tardy ingot]

Its actually less versatile and yes i went through every enemy for every gun)

[wind wren]

Cuz of pen?

[tardy ingot]

Pen and shooting style

[sturdy glen]

I disagree with versatile and idk what you mean by multiple players being good with it

carbine gets the same effect

its just chip damage

[tardy ingot]

Hel revo is better vs more enemies generally

[past mesa]

hel pp tho

counter point

[tardy ingot]

can disagree with versatile

but tell me for which enemies carbine is better suited

im not talking about ease of use. Thats easily carbine

[sturdy glen]

babies is the only thing I can see and pen just wins out again

[tardy ingot]

huh

i said hel revo is more versatile

[sturdy glen]

thats not towards you

[tardy ingot]

oh

[civic wave]

I don't know how far I buy into the versatility/enemies argument for carb vs hel revo, but maybe I'm a pragmatist

both are strong guns and kill whatever I'm shooting so that's cool

[hardy grotto]

I think the assault rifle is better

It’s well rounded

[sturdy glen]

then stop participating in a gun convo pachi

its very simple

[tardy ingot]

Its honestly just a high end or theoretical thing

[past mesa]

I THInk

smg is the best side arm

[tardy ingot]

its mostly felt for stuff like carbine/hel revo vs babies (easy hel revo w) or flyers

[hardy grotto]

0.9

[sturdy glen]

its completely pointless to go into a gun balance convo and go "it kills stuff so idk"

[tardy ingot]

50 mag

anyway

Hel revo >>> pistol

if that wasnt clear

[sturdy glen]

if not we can go back to the dark alley

👍

[tardy ingot]

im actualy more interested in what people think off sawded off

i legit see it as 6th best rn

[sturdy glen]

(this is the dark alley, alongside #gtfo-chat )

[hardy grotto]

Don’t sleep on pistol tho

I think it’s one of the best mains now tbh

[tardy ingot]

its def good

[noble stream]

so what's the state of bots these days? Can't gather a full party so I was thinking of filling with them

[past mesa]

bots are great

they have the same issues they used to

[civic wave]

maybe, it was a roundabout way of saying that I don't think it really matters, I don't actually know if I'd favour one gun over the other for any specific enemy because from my experience both guns perform exceptionally everywhere

[hardy grotto]

Nice essay

[past mesa]

then 👏 start 👏 trolling 👏

[sturdy glen]

so true

[civic wave]

I have a 1500 word essay on antibiotics sat on my desktop if you'd like

[hardy grotto]

No

[past mesa]

pls

could i get that in mla formate pls

[sturdy glen]

we only accept math homework

go away

[civic wave]

the fuck is mla formate

[wind wren]

Yes pls, perfect for gtfo related chat

[civic wave]

I mean obviouslt it's a salt of some kind but

what the shit is that

[past mesa]

Chicago style.

is fine i guess

[civic wave]

oh you're talking about referencing I think

idk

[tardy ingot]

i can contribute with ~25.000 words about the geology and tectonical facts of the sauerland

fuck sauerland

[civic wave]

over here with our universities, at least those doing science stuff, you end up with harvard referencing

although the referencing everywhere varies slightly because god forbid you standardise a system

sauerland sounds like a place where you'd get bad confectionary

[past mesa]

-10% on your final grade

comma in the wrong spot

be better

[wind wren]

Also sounds like a place where the diet is just beer and sauerkraut

[civic wave]

dammit I'm gonna have to write another essay this year, if the word count is higher I can probably write more though, didn't feel like 1500 words was a lot to say anything

[past mesa]

1500 is nothing

i dont know how to say anything in less than 100

[civic wave]

writing in robot speak is boring too

but eh whatever I won't have to write it for a while so I will pretend to be happy

[split mirage]

I dm'ed you

[dusk canopy]

So, if I was to LFG .. is it possible to play without a Mike. Can you ping in game etc. I hear the game is hard, so is that asking for failure

[ocean spindle]

its possible to play w/o a mic, and u can ping in game important items like doors and lockers
theres also a chat, and a quick chat holding Q, theres many options
u just gotta specify that u arent gonna talk, but u should still join a vc, to see whos playin with u in case anything happns

[wind wren]

Say i did 125 dmg to a tumor on mom, popping burst cannon/scattergun/ whatever into that tumor (as client) would still make me do full dmg. (Except for sniper which would cap at 126).
Did I get that right?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

client gtfo go woosh

[wind wren]

Great, thanks : D

[native sun]

I have not tested, but afaik once you place the mine it gets managed by host - same as any other 'placeable' (e.g. thrown nades transfer to host once thrown). Once it leaves your inventory it belongs to host.

But also afaik mines just deal damage to tank/mom directly and don't damage tumors, since I don't think they actually end up popping tumors ever.

[sturdy glen]

so doesnt matter x2, gotcha

[native sun]

Interesting that it is apparently still capped by tumor HP, that I did not know

[jagged shore]

did anyone ever figure out that bug where the door just seemingly doesn't exist for cfoam?

just ooc

[ocean spindle]

wasnt it desync issues and memory leak

[jagged shore]

maybe
wouldn't be surprised, just never heard about that myself

[past mesa]

It is

Probs so code in tank dmg that hard codes the object dmg to be 150

[sturdy glen]

I just never thought about it cuz you only ever mine tank and thats rare

[tranquil oracle]

heya anyone got advice for r2d2 irc me and my buddies have been struggling on it for a bit

[echo palm]

Are there plans for the Tenchambers to have contact with the community at least at the feedback level?

[ocean spindle]

they already were in contact with the community on feedback level, we even had a channel for suggestions
the game kinda now doesnt need em since its so finished on mechanics n gameplay aspect, and they probs have r8 already completely planned out

but well i think u can sen em suggestions in an email

search around #discord-announcements or #community-news or one of those channels

there must be a message about it

[echo palm]

Thanks/ ;D

[whole grove]

1. Free (hold out on the bridge)
2. z193 (hold out on the bridge)
3. Free (hold out on the bridge)
4. z196 south (key found in zone z194 north, then alarm door at 196 in reactor room)
5. z197 (donut room south, 2 scouts)
6. z195 north (alarm door, then 5 scouts)
7. Free
8. z198 (find key first in z200 WEST or z199 SOUTH (only giants in these zones) of z197 donut room, alarm door z198 EAST down the stairs, after its done open the door and also open the left side door (hack lock), pull both rooms by going back up the stairs; you will need the fog turbine/repellers because its all non-infectious fog in z198)
9. Free
10. Free

2 common spots to hold out after opening z196:

1. Inside z196 facing the reactor room with the western door closed behind you (If they knock, open and show them your guns, and close the door again) and keep the small door below open to make sure they go through that instead of knocking
2. Inside z193 at the stairs and catwalk in front of the reactor room; enemies come from z194 too
   (holding out on the bridge looking both ways is completely fine too)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2549656173
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2018206449579261421/67C590B51328A03A9628F0CDD2C3FBB52C65079F/

[tranquil oracle]

thanks! hopefully i can make use of this

[dusk canopy]

Thank you 🙂

[tardy ingot]

From my recent runs it seems like it stops you from foaming dmged doors

as i was always able to foam fresh ones, but the moment it got hit it didnt work any longer

[craggy pier]

Hold at bridge

I failed 5 times while holding in other spots and then won it first try when doing bridge

Granted i played with cracked players but the point still stands

[hidden ridge]

Just hold at bridge

I've never seen anyone get wonky enemy spawns if they hold at bridge

Do a 2-2 or have 1 guy watching the reactor side that calls in case he needs help. Get 1 guy with a sniper looking on the side of the extraction to pop hybrids heads or whatever

[latent obsidian]

I too am a bridge Stan

[wind wren]

Melee damage boosters don't at all affect stagger right?
I assume they don't but I figured I might ask anyway

[dry pumice]

Last I checked stagger damage is directly related to actual damage. So they... Should?...

[tardy ingot]

Yes they very directly do lol

[wind wren]

Oh... so if I hit a weak spot that also boosts the stagger dmg?

[craggy pier]

Yes

[wind wren]

Good to know, thanks : D

[craggy pier]

Stagger is just damage multiplied by the stagger multi of each weapon

More damage more stagger

And more swagger

[wind wren]

Oh I see, i initially thought it was a separate stat

[tardy ingot]

Stagger dmg is just dmg dealt x stagger multi of the weapon

just consider

That each enemy has often unique multis

[craggy pier]

so can u stagger an enemy for 5 secs in 1 hit with max boosters?

[native sun]

Stagger duration is fixed. You either stagger or you don't. If you do stagger, it is for a set animation.

[craggy pier]

what a loads of bullshit

[wind wren]

Is burst cancelling still a thing? If so, is it frowned upon? Kinda seems like a glitch

[soft crater]

Not in vanilla no.

[civic wave]

technically still a thing but can only be done with interacting with an item nowadays

[soft crater]

Bots can still do it

[civic wave]

so not really anything worth doing

[soft crater]

Bishop casually semi auto taps burst cannon

[wind wren]

I seem to have a lot of trouble loading into r4e1 specifically for some reason. Every other mission I can load just fine but i seem to crash loading into r4e1 with a 50% change (on first load in)

Could there be any reason in particular for this??

[civic wave]

idk sounds like a skill issue to me

no fuckin idea

[wind wren]

/any fix

[neon gust]

verify game cache

[wind wren]

How to?

[neon gust]

stop using mods if you'are

got to steam

right click game

properties

install files

verify game cache

will verify if you have all game install contents and download all missing files

[wind wren]

All right, I'll try that later thanks

[sturdy glen]

Why do ppl hate holding not at bridge on r2d2

It has the best backspawn sight lines but it's not that much?

[latent obsidian]

I'm averse to non bridge holds due to late spawn trauma on R4D1

[floral acorn]

bridge good, north room good, i would probably go north if i ever wanted to redo

[sturdy glen]

It doesn't affect latespawns

[latent obsidian]

If you're adjacent to the reactor room its the same?

[sturdy glen]

Yes

[floral acorn]

we were deep south for a punishment round and the enemies spawned even deeper south than us, so doesn't matter

[sturdy glen]

You're just pushing the spawn of a different side

[latent obsidian]

Probably I've held even further afield and then attributed it to any hold off of bridge then

[gusty marsh]

R1D1 is stressful

[floral acorn]

put something incredibly ugly on -media, holding the northern door gave us the win 2bot (no better- at that time even) .. one dude lured the hybes to dance infront of the sniper sentry and those that ran in, took a hard 90 turn (slowed down) .. also all north spawners came thru that narrow zone door, ez kills

[latent obsidian]

I guess side holds are fine then, I'll just accept being an irrational traditionalist

I do like having a long sight line to use a revolver or something on smalls

[latent obsidian]

R1D1 or R4D1? R1D1 is pretty simple

[sturdy glen]

It is slightly better on bridge since generally more enemies come from front

But that shouldn't affect backspawns

[gusty marsh]

I was playing with bots, that’s why I had a hard time with it lol

It’s the mission that really got me to like the HEL rifle

[sturdy glen]

The times it does matter, you're not gonna change that by swapping spots

Hence, it doesn't matter

[latent obsidian]

For R4D1 duo we found the best hold spot was in reactor room itself eventually

Holding on bridge I guess we still couldn't kill them fast enough and would get spawns over a minute late

[sturdy glen]

Exactly

[hot sky]

Hey for a new group of 3 who are finished with Alt:R1 and halfway thru R7, which is the best next rundown to start?

Sorry if this is the wrong chat for this kind of question 🙏

[inner sorrel]

R2 and R3 are nice cause there are no optional objectives, granted the difficulty curve on R2 is insanity.

I had a lot of fun on R4 personally. I have heard a lot of people say R6 is one of the most forgiving rundowns

i havent played it tho, so i cant vouch for it

[latent obsidian]

I'd go for R2 next, pretty reasonable difficulty for the most part but the end is quite hard. If you get stuck on the lower tiers you can always move on to another rundown again

[inner sorrel]

ye

I honestly dont remember R2C being that bad, but both the D levels and E took like 20 attempts each lmao

[latent obsidian]

R1 -> R3 -> R2/R6 -> R7 -> R4 -> R5 is the generally accepted difficulty order iirc (ascending)

[inner sorrel]

ye

[ocean spindle]

usually u can just yeah do em in order

and if u get stuck

jump to the next rundown

[inner sorrel]

im on r5e1 rn. fucking brutal

[ocean spindle]

that way u kinda got a way to learn about new stuff slowly unlike just jumpin to r7

[inner sorrel]

ye

[ocean spindle]

ye

[ocean spindle]

also lol

[latent obsidian]

that was my final clear in the game, its tough but great fun

[inner sorrel]

ye

the main problem I have been running into is the alarm to the disinfection station

and having enough ammor for it

and with the gas you have zero room for error with a lot of things wanting to make you error ||including an error alarm|| lmao

[hot sky]

Gotcha! Thank you guys

[latent obsidian]

Yeah that section is rough

Its the bit of the level that took my team the most attempts

esp the first alarm in that section

[inner sorrel]

yeah

at least its the beginning and not an hour in lmao

[latent obsidian]

Yep, nice to have some difficulty frontloaded

[inner sorrel]

ye

what was your strat getting past it

funny enough our closest run was when we tried hel sentry

helped a lot with the surge and the hybrids

[latent obsidian]

Oh I actually meant the first alarm in the || error section ||

[inner sorrel]

to the disinfection door?

[latent obsidian]

For the surge we just took 3 burst sentries and tried to stop them getting too far into the room

[inner sorrel]

ive only gone down in the surge maybe twice

[latent obsidian]

So first error section: || Class 3 alarm to get the cell, and then the other alarm to get into the disinfection station. The cell alarm is what troubled us cos theres a REALLY close enemy spawn ||

So strategy for that was to stand in the room further in while the first wave spawns, THEN team scan, THEN go and fight enemies in that room for the rest of the alarm while my team scans so we don't get any super close spawns

cos of the room divider

[inner sorrel]

thats actually really smart

how did that work tho with them having multiple spawns

[latent obsidian]

well they can still spawn further into the zone, or outside of it, and thats okay, we had one sentry at the entrance of the zone, can't remember where we had the others

Its pretty chaotic still ofc but better than the faux surge if they keep spawning close

[inner sorrel]

yeah

the main issue was having the waves front spawn when getting the cell, and the class three for the dissinfection

[latent obsidian]

For the second class three we made sure to have the far door shut from before, bunch of sentries at the front and just send it

it goes by pretty quick you just need to shoot a bunch

[inner sorrel]

did you funnel them?

i didnt think you could cause the path ip the steps through the middle was too long

[latent obsidian]

We tried to funnel through the south door yeah

[inner sorrel]

so you had the door between the center rooms open

so regardless of the spawn they went south?

[latent obsidian]

I can just send you my video if you want 🙂 I only did this alarm once or twice so can't say for sure if they are always gonna go one way or the other

[inner sorrel]

oh ok

[latent obsidian]

on the run I recorded they only came from south

[inner sorrel]

ok

cause i know we have always tried to save that south door

but if funneling them is the answer that would make the surge even easier

[latent obsidian]

Seems like a good answer, for our 3 sentry bio loadout we didn't have any other choices

[inner sorrel]

are mines really needed then?

[latent obsidian]

nope

Bear in mind I've only got one clear, I don't know it like the back of my hand

There might be more efficient strats but 3 sentry bio worked for us

[inner sorrel]

i mean that sounds like it would be better tbh

you did three burst right?

[latent obsidian]

yep

[inner sorrel]

i would probably wnat to have 2 burst and either a auto or shotty tbh

hypothetically that would work better for the big guys and hybrids that camp in the back

i also just like shotgun sentry

[neon gust]

people dumb

[dry pumice]

People can't fight sleepers at 5m range more like

[icy cave]

You can just foam + mine 2 doors and have a free alarm

[timid grove]

anybody know and good rundowns for pvp? they need to be easy to clear out a starting area in a short amount of time. so far ive got R1A1 R1C1 R2A1 and R7A1.

[ocean spindle]

r5b3 has a very big startin room, r1b1 has it too but with more enemies tho

[civic wave]

Some missions won't have enemies in the first zone, like r7d2 and r7e1

Although I will also say that trying to pvp in this game sucks

[ocean spindle]

umm i guess r7b1 could have a very funky nice startin room in the first one u enter

[fierce walrus]

R5B3 first room, can have a couple chargers but is pretty good for 2 people

[timid grove]

pachi if you think pvp in this suckks you clearly have never pvped with me

[fierce walrus]

R3A2 has a decent second room but it needs some clearing

[fierce walrus]

ngl pvp i love PvP in this game, i suck at it tho

although some weapons suck at it

[timid grove]

there was this one time we did only hel outopistol

[fierce walrus]

LMAO

that must have been fun

[timid grove]

and i killed everybody

[fierce walrus]

tbf a whole autopp mag must kill atleast 1 person

[timid grove]

from 100% to 0%

its 2 mags

[fierce walrus]

for one person?

no way

[timid grove]

yep

you have to reload about 3 times in a fight

[fierce walrus]

it deals like 1% per shot?

[timid grove]

tickle beam

[ocean spindle]

its 1 dmg so its 2 per shot C:

[jagged shore]

discounting range

[tardy ingot]

range will lower it

unless you melee

[jagged shore]

melee doesn't work for pvp lol

[tardy ingot]

melee shoot

:|

[opal owl]

Would anyone happen to know if R7B2's (Dense, uplink) final sec door before extraction requires an alarm?

Apparently it needs an external opening via terminal

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt have an alarm

thats all sneaking

[opal owl]

So the door just opens then?

[ocean spindle]

it unlocks and then u can open it

the twist however

there is a shit ton fuck of enemies in that room :3

like, 20 plus maybe a couple of bigs

[opal owl]

Fuck alright

[ocean spindle]

so um plan ahead, see if u can sneak

or just, go loud if u dont, trust anything

[opal owl]

Yeah I had to go afk and leave for work so a friend joined and is apparently just uh

Soloing the scout room and soloing the final room lmao

[fresh steeple]

hi guys

[dry pumice]

Hello again

[opal owl]

any tips for reconnect? ill be running it coop but a solo attempt with little to no strategic pack placement ahead of time got me to the end of wave 6

3 burst sentries placed on the bridge choke 2 rooms away from the reactor

• biotracker

[steep dune]

which rundown/mission is reconnect?

[past mesa]

R1C1

[icy cave]

That's pretty much it

[opal owl]

damn ok

[wind wren]

How long is the stagger animation for giant strikers?

Actually, is there maybe a sheet with all stagger animation durations?

[dry pumice]

There probably is, but do you really need information that detailed? It's literally like 2 seconds. Just a little bit longer than it takes to full charge a spear.

[meager lion]

From personal experience something between 1.5 - 2.0 seconds.

You can charge the hammer to 50-55% in that time for another stagger on another limb.

It does vary though and I have had them immediately turn around after a stagger or spin around so its kind of random sometimes.

[wind wren]

No not rly, but if some1 randomly had it at hand I'd love it.

[wind wren]

Yeah that explains it. Sometimes I felt like it was much short despite the same animation so I assumed it was short but had some variance in the same animation

Thanks : D

[craggy pier]

hey guys, i wanted to ask - does sleepers without limbs deal less damage with melee attacks, or they just dont do them at all?

[icy cave]

They do the same amount of damage

[craggy pier]

thanks

[meager lion]

Np 🙂

[olive robin]

There are two different staggers also. There's light stagger and heavy stagger. Heavy stagger is when you destroy a limb, light stagger is just doing enough stagger damage to them. Heavy stagger lasts far longer than light stagger.

[wind wren]

Yeah I was asking about heavy stagger, but long is a light stagger approximately?

[olive robin]

Like a second or less

Bat charged attacks do enough to light stagger

[dry pumice]

Good enough to prevent an attack, but probably shouldn't get close.

[olive robin]

If you wanna solo giants with bat you need to be ducking in and out very carefully

Better off using Hammer to solo a giant

Cause the heavy stagger really works well with it

[ocean spindle]

hammer just has time to kill it solo but if u have a team of any sort either bots or humans both r perfectly usable

bat can also heavy stagger, in the same way hammer can light stagger if ur not careful

[olive robin]

Hammer heavy staggers as long as you hit the right spots

[ocean spindle]

same as bat

the only, tangible difference is if its solo or

u do the first hit

cause bat deals quite a bit less damage as the occi hit

well i guess depends on if its looking at u too i think bat uses back dmg to break the limb

but i am the unsure

[olive robin]

I am pretty sure bat can't break limbs for heavy stagger on frontal hits

@ocean spindle does bat break limbs with back damage or something?

[ocean spindle]

thats what i, saids

but i am unsure if its true

[olive robin]

I think it could break limbs from behind, that might be true tbh, but I'll have to test it at some point

[wind wren]

Bat 1taps limbs on back hits

But needs 2 on front hits I'm pretty sure

What's a good level to hone stealth chaining skills w bat/knife? Rn doing r2e1 cuz like 12ish enemies + scout right away but they are usually too far spread to properly practice chaining

[icy cave]

R3B1 starting zones

[latent obsidian]

The most dense room I can think of rn is R4B2 a few zones in, first downwards cell zone

[wind wren]

Thanks : D

[wind wren]

If it's a few zones in then it doesnt rly fit for practice. Thanks either way ^^

[latent obsidian]

I think all the doors leading there are normal scans but yeah if R3B1 works then thats better

[olive robin]

Do mines explode in a 3m radius around the mine or a 3 m diameter around the mine

[golden trout]

should be a straight line

like a cylinder out yea

[fierce walrus]

3 meter cylinder around the red laser

[olive robin]

A cylinder with a 3 m diameter?

[fierce walrus]

Yeah i think so

[novel portal]

What's the best way to unlock more items for character customization? Just completing more rundowns, or are there certain missions that give you certain items?

[ashen frigate]

They are randomly given as a reward for completing the Main objective of each expedition

Apart from some that specifically reward the completion of all the Expeditions of a single Rundown, and in the past, completing other tasks (such as "All Secondary Objectives" or "All Overload Objectives")

[dry pumice]

+1 random cosmetic for every Main objective you haven't cleared before.
+1 specified cosmetic for beating all Main objectives of a rundown.

Secondary and Overload objectives (and by extension Prisoner Efficiency) provide none and are just bragging rights / more game to play.

[novel portal]

OH, okay, I assumed it was something along the lines of "missions completed" no matter if you've done it before but that makes sense. Are there enough main objectives to get all the cosmetics at this point? I'd have to assume so.

[dry pumice]

Uhhhhhhhhh. I'm not sure actually.

Give me 15 minutes and you'll give you an answer.

[novel portal]

Hey, I appreciate it. It's just kinda hard to find a straight answer online lol.

[ocean spindle]

no, i dont think so

but im unsure cause some were special events

i just know theres about a 100, counting all of em, and about 72 missions or so

[dry pumice]

Currently we have 71 levels... Now i just need to count how many RNG cosmetics we have.

[novel portal]

Ah, so one or two here or there might end up missing is what you're saying.

My main thing is I need more of the color pallettes. I guess I've just had bad RNG

[dry pumice]

30 random helmets...

29 minus one you start with

13 torsos minus one you start with

14 legs

15 backpacks

18 colour palletes

That'd be 89 randomly acquired cosmetics.
So 18 of them will not be available, potentially and with current state of the game (unless devs come up with something in Rundown 8 to adress this).
And that's assuming they don't add anything new with rundown 8 either (which they probably will).
@novel portal

[novel portal]

In the name of RNG-esus I pray that I don't miss the good ones. Thank you for the info man. You're awesome.

[ocean spindle]

most cosmetics r so based

so its ok

[tardy ingot]

Yep

lemon head + yellow

= actual lemon

[ocean spindle]

so real

i like being fruit

🍋

[cold quarry]

there are not. If you played the original rundown 6 you could get them all but otherwise no

The only way to 'catch up' is if they do another reset-request (resetting a rundowns progression which means more cosmetics) or finally add some repeatable method of earning

I asked calle about this at one point and he said the team was aware of it

[dry pumice]

Either it will be some grind mechanic OR it will unlock all the rest of them for you if you beat ALL the levels.

[novel portal]

At least it's on their mind. I can only assume rundown 8 will include some way around this.

[dry pumice]

I think the latter one in particular is a solution i'd be okay with.

[ocean spindle]

would b nice

[dry pumice]

Oh god, UI might not be able to handle 20+ freshly unlocked cosmetics lmao

[cold quarry]

heres hoping

til then you just gotta hope you get lucky

I doubt there will be another reset-request opportunity due to how much they got clowned on for it happening with alt r4 AND 5

[olive robin]

What levels are not possible with 2 players 2 bots would you say

[upper ginkgo]

none, every level has been duo'd (without bots)

[olive robin]

Cool

[civic wave]

The more players you have the harder the game becomes

[olive robin]

Joking, or does this actually spawn more enemies

[jagged shore]

joke

[civic wave]

It doesn't change the levels or game in any way

[jagged shore]

at least as far as game mechanics

[civic wave]

Means there's less people in your way doing funny stuff that makes the game harder

[jagged shore]

instead you get bots getting in your way doing funny stuff

[olive robin]

Ok also can you spawn in bots or remove them mid level?

[jagged shore]

yeah

[civic wave]

Yes

[olive robin]

Can people join mid level by removing a bot/replacing

[civic wave]

Yes

Didn't you already know this, or is this new information

[olive robin]

Completely new

If I remove a bot to make room for a player, do they have their own loadout, the bots, and do they have bot HP or full hp

[civic wave]

They'll spawn in as if it's their first time in the lobby, unless they were previously in the lobby afaik

I've never tested it

[olive robin]

So you can rejoin if you DC or crash

[civic wave]

Unless the lobby fucks up, yeah

I feel like I'm being interrogated

It works like any other multiplayer shooter game

[jagged shore]

i haven't played many in general, but i haven't played many multiplayer games in general that support rejoining

[olive robin]

So tell me, how confident are you in this information? Would you wager your life or that of a loved one's on it? Have you tested this extensively? Are you aware of the consequences should your information be false?

[civic wave]

You sound like you have 60 hours in this game, idk what you want from me

[olive robin]

I have 80 so you're not far off

[olive robin]

Idk I just never knew this was a feature which is really cool

[north dawn]

anyone know a quickfix for a cargo thing being unable to be picked up? In R2A1 we dropped the cargo_146 on the floor to swap to someone who had less ammo to carry. Apparently we dropped the other cargo in the same exact spot and both cargos are now glitched

refer to media channel for picture reference of the spot

[ocean spindle]

is it when u hold E it swaps the prompt or holding e just doesnt do anything?

if its the first one maybs u can try doin it from an angle, and if its the second im not sure, maybe a bot could try to grab it

[ebon jolt]

get a bot in and tell him to pick it up

it only works out of combat tho

[north dawn]

it was that there'd be no prompt at all to pick it up

[north dawn]

how do you get a bot in with four players?

[ebon jolt]

get one of you to leave and rejoin after

[north dawn]

ok thnx i'll try that strat whenever it inevitably happens again cause this game is hella buggy with cells and cargo items

[ebon jolt]

there is also a more fucked up and random way i wouldn't recommend

if it happens in combat late in a level you can tell the host to crash his game and hope you don't get too unlucky with the migration.

I would ony do this for error alarm parts in levels like || R2E1 R4D2||

[novel portal]

do I need to be in one of the VC's to LFG? I would rather just use game voice

[ocean spindle]

u can and just be muted
it's useful to see who plays with u in case u wanna do it again or report em

[chilly narwhal]

If you are hosting, just pick a room and create an invite, and put the lobby code either in the invite or in the status. If you want to be more secure, just dm the lobby code to people in the GC as well.

[novel portal]

👍

[ocean spindle]

puttin the code in the status for me seems like a fast way to get a bunch of rule 7 breakers but what do i know

[patent kraken]

Best special weapon for R1C1? (8 rounds of mostly strikers & shooters)

[fierce walrus]

machineguns

prolly veruta machinegun

[ebon jolt]

honestly you can take anything. Like even a PR would do the job

[tardy ingot]

Hel rifle fucks there (hel gun does too but needs a lot more skill)

[patent kraken]

TY!!!

[hidden ridge]

fyi waves ||4-6-8 have 3 big striker and 3 hybrids each||

It really depends on the rest of the team, having 1 sniper in the hands of someone that doesn't miss helps a lot since it onetaps hybrids/giants

[olive robin]

Do not have sniper guy do console run back

(this was a fatal mistake in my group once)

[olive robin]

Any machine gun or similar is pretty good

You shouldn't take auto sentry

Only bursts

[icy cave]

Do not have a sniper guy

[dry pumice]

Sniper sentry can prove useful, it's very mean against bigs... When it's kind enough to actually aim at one.

[icy cave]

Just one, other 2 must be burst

at this point people who take auto sentries are just not fit to play the game

[dry pumice]

Buff damage to 1.0 come on!

[icy cave]

they don't have the balls

[dry pumice]

Not people's fault that the game doesn't tell the the stats so they don't know about 0.7 dmg.
Also it requires experience and testing to see that the thing just doesn't do anything... Something a R1C1 victims clearly don't have.

[icy cave]

Call me a radical and move on

[craggy pier]

Why would you give it 1 damage

More ammo or better ability to stagger a crowd is what it needs

As long as burst senty can reliably hit headshots auto sentry will not compete

For damage or ammo efficiency

And also it's just kinda redundant

[dry pumice]

Well yeah...

[latent obsidian]

Hel auto sentry is just cfoam for when there is no door cmv

[craggy pier]

Cmv?

[latent obsidian]

change my view

[craggy pier]

Cant

You're right

[dry pumice]

I agree really