gtfo-related-questions

[hidden ridge]

good job man

[icy cave]

I mean you at 10 so grats

the worst now is when waiting for a train

nothing to do, back then it was easy

just smoke cigs till it was there

[hidden ridge]

I tried to use chewing gum but it works only for the first 2-3 times

at least my breath was fantastic

[icy cave]

also to fully stereotype myself: I smoked gauloises blondes

[hidden ridge]

changed a lot but mostly Chesterfield

[icy cave]

oh well glad thats behind

[soft crater]

[exotic scroll]

What do you think the best melee weapon to give your bots is?

[dry pumice]

fun fact

it doesn't matter

for them its just skins

[winged turtle]

they have fixed charge times and damage amounts for melee. so, spear?

[icy cave]

doesnt matter

[dry pumice]

I just give it to them based on personality

[icy cave]

they always uise hammer, no matter what you give

its just a skin for them

[exotic scroll]

which is which in your opinion

[craggy pier]

its a skin you dofus

[dry pumice]

Hackett looks like a knife type of guy, Dauda gets spear because he's a big brain, and Bishop looks like the type of paranoid maniac to use a hammer on everything

[exotic scroll]

thanks guys

[icy cave]

you give Dauda spear cause he african. don't lie

[exotic scroll]

is there a meta primary to give them?

[ocean spindle]

wtf

[craggy pier]

pdw, hel rev, carbine, ar

[ocean spindle]

long range automatic guns work well with em, either burst rifle or assault riflle r best :]

[dry pumice]

I will indeed not lie - that's part of it as well, but i genuinely do think his scientific origin will appreciate the most ancient and useful tool humanity ever invented

[winged turtle]

potato potato

[dry pumice]

He looks like that type of guy to me

Bishop is too twitchy

[icy cave]

m8 it was banter. don't say its true plz

[ocean spindle]

wtf happened

[dry pumice]

Its last one the list, lets put it that way

[ocean spindle]

it happened so fast

[dry pumice]

I mena come on - explain to me why Bishop would take it

[ocean spindle]

bishops tragic

spears tragic

there u go

[exotic scroll]

is there a current meta kit for the player

[dry pumice]

Not good enough, try again

[dry pumice]

Carbine, Veruta Machine Gun, Hammer

[ocean spindle]

usually guns just, depend based on the mission, so try em all out

sometimes u will want more firepower less firepower n stuff

and also depends on ur team

so just adapt to the situation n the mission

[tired raft]

I got a question:
Soo I'm looking here at the steam page and there is this picture showing 1.0 , 2.0 , 3.0.. 8.0 RUNDOWNs...
What are those ?... Expeditions [58/71]

[icy cave]

ingame

[craggy pier]

those are the rundowns

[icy cave]

what

he asked what

time to go to sleep

[dry pumice]

Game used to work on a weird FOMO model.
Rundowns basically meant "campaigns", and every couple of months devs would add new one and remove old one.
Currently they decided to go back on that model and are slowly releasing old content back into the game under "ALT" prefix. They're mostly the same, but not completely and there's even a lore reason for it too.

[icy cave]

its the different "campaigns" you see when ingame

[dry pumice]

We have rundown 1-5, 7.
6 is currently still removed (as the last one to meet such fate), but we're gonne have it back in a month or two.

[tired raft]

Soo.. is it possible for me to go back in campaings ?

[icy cave]

yes

they all in there

except for R6 which will be back in there in two months

[tired raft]

Oh I see...

Thank you.

[icy cave]

and no worries, you will not finish R1-R5 in those two months so you have time

[tired raft]

Well I just bought the game.. I'll give it a go.

[soft crater]

Should take note if you haven't. In-game Matchmaking is near nonexistent

[ocean spindle]

oh funk! b sure to play the tutorial first, its called TRAINING :D

also yeah when u finish that up u can head to the LFG channels to find players

[soft crater]

Also be a good father and don't leave behind the baby

[ocean spindle]

:]c

[topaz willow]

can you stack c-foam portion % boosters past 100%

or does it stop at 100?

[cold quarry]

One drop per mission completed for the first time, 1 unique helmet per rundown finished

[ocean spindle]

probs stops at 100

i never seen nothin at more than 100
except for resources but those r coded already and not that uncommon

[next socket]

What height should one deploy a mine to deal damage to a tank?

[winged turtle]

anywhere above the belt is fair game

[civic wave]

a bit above your head works pretty well

[winged turtle]

i think you gotta make sure they are vertically aligned

[next socket]

Like, on the ceiling facing down?

[civic wave]

there's a bit of leeway on how you do it

just need the mines high enough + close enough together I guess

[winged turtle]

maybe, what i mean is a vertical line along the door way

as opposed to in a cluster, or horizontal line

[civic wave]

both clusters and horizontal can work iirc

I've used clusters before and I think I've been in a pub run where a few horizontal lines on one another (like a square cluster) worked

[next socket]

#gtfo-media message

Which way?

[civic wave]

1st is what I'd always go for

[winged turtle]

both times its worked for me has been the first way

[topaz anvil]

Second way is more dubious because the tank can miss the mines, but usually i see the most success with it

[jagged shore]

anyone happen to know why they added rich presence for steam but not discord lol

[next socket]

Mods made this Discord and it made them hate Discord users so they didn't add it

[tired raft]

What happen if this ARTIFACT HEAT gets to 0% ?

[ocean spindle]

u would get nothin for the artifacts u pick up

[tired raft]

I see

[jagged shore]

pretty sure it bottoms out at 20% tho

[ivory imp]

Do you think The Warden has drip ratings for the prisoners

[fervent pendant]

is it possible to one shot a tentacle monster with a knife? ive heard before that anything but the knife can one shot it, but i wanted to double check

[fierce walrus]

back of the head full charge knife will oneshot a scout

i would recomend jumping before hiting

[fervent pendant]

what do you mean by jumping? like to maneuver around it, or just so you can get a clear shot height wise?

also just so i know for sure, does running and jumping around a scout alert it? I know gunfire and touching the tentacles do. but I've been too nervous to actually run around a scout thinking they might hear me

[fierce walrus]

so overall - scout will only triger if you shoot, something screams, or its tentacles are touched (you then have like 1 second window before it becomes immune)

flashing it or running or jumping will cause it to relaese the tentacles faster

with bat or knife (or sometimes even with hammer) its good to jump right before hitting it so that you do not hit the back/shoulder instead of the head

[fervent pendant]

okay okay, thank you!!! I'm gonna have to practice that

[fierce walrus]

np

[solemn flint]

how knife work is a bit diffrent, its a stab that come from below upward => if you stand too close to an enemy and aim for the head, it will hit the body first => more chance to miss the back of scout head. jumping and melee would make less chance to hit the scout body

[bronze mesa]

i just got the game

[fervent pendant]

ohhh okay ty!

[wintry kayak]

so how exactly does gunshot sound work? what I think I know is:

• gunshot sound travels 40m -10 per OPEN door (is there a special number for sec doors?)
• cannot travel through walls (ie that 40m “line” is the shortest path from player to enemy without going through walls)
• does not differ per weapon
• enemies only wake up from the shot sound or by proxy wakeup if the target dies too close to them
• sentries are significantly less loud (10-20m?)

no idea if this is right though

this is just what I picked up from some pubs

is there a good guide/video on this?

I wanna learn the kind of mechanics nobody really cares about

[solemn flint]

interesting

[tardy ingot]

1. doesnt work out. Max aggro range witnessed is 2 rooms away. Which is <~10 meters
2. it does travel through walls. It just needs the room to have an open path
3. yes
4. gun shot sound and all types of proximity aggro (be it the enemy next to it dying or waking up)
5. they are less loud, dunno about the range

The rough numbers given usually for 1st are
50/30/10 for
Same room/1 away/2 away

[ornate shoal]

I have a problem

how can I change my name ingame ? it's using my steam name (which I don't like to use for games usually) and I want to change that

[fierce walrus]

i think the game always uses steam name, and there is no way to change that

[lone mortar]

Usually depending on you shooting

The sound is loudest coming from where it came from

Example would be R4B2

Overload-after class IV blood door

[wintry kayak]

mhm

[lone mortar]

If you shoot from outside

[wintry kayak]

room wakes up

[lone mortar]

Or even like 3 steps inside of the big room

Half of the room wakes up

But if you shoot from the stairs

Whole room goes wild

[wintry kayak]

yeah

[lone mortar]

Ngl its a massive room

So likely you are the noise level

Not the bullets

[wintry kayak]

suppose that room is about 10m from the stairs

that would mean the first 20m of the room would wake up according to my calculations

[lone mortar]

This applies to the strat that i see ppl killing charger scouts on R7D2

Props to @sacred dew

For showing me that strat

[wintry kayak]

oh i’m not talking about the bullets

I mean a shot

[lone mortar]

Yeah

[wintry kayak]

not the bullet itself

eg you know the R4B3 ex hub tile?

[lone mortar]

I dont think when bullets hit a certain wall/object would also cause sounds either

[lone mortar]

Don’t remember really

[wintry kayak]

it’s also the tile on R5A2 with overload door in it

full tile room

long bridge

[lone mortar]

Ah that

Yeah

[wintry kayak]

yeah

[lone mortar]

It also works quite different as i can recall

[wintry kayak]

so we discovered that you’re fine to shoot in the room before that tile as long as the bridge is clear

even if the door is open

[lone mortar]

Where u standing again?

[wintry kayak]

uhh it’s like a T shape right

or more like an umbrella

[lone mortar]

So at the hinge right corner

[wintry kayak]

wait gimme a sec

[lone mortar]

Right after goin in to that room/zone

[wintry kayak]

are my numbers correct though

has anyone tested this

[solemn flint]

uhmmm

gtfo weird stuff

how tha fuc when i drop from same height

there are place that ill take damage and place that i dont

oh wait

i think i know why

this lead to a new question though

is the minimum fall damage 9%?

[craggy pier]

try jumping the same ledge with heavy equipment and without

8

[solemn flint]

i still bring the same equiqment

[craggy pier]

i meant irl

[solemn flint]

thats strange not gonna lie, how big of a height diffrent you need per 1% fall damage?

[solemn flint]

definately diffrent

[craggy pier]

😄

[tardy ingot]

Ya got footage?

Otherwise this doesnt seem believable.

Tho, the tiniest elevation changes can change the % of the fall dmg if its at a part where its gonna be rounded or not

[tardy ingot]

Litteraly what i wrote above lol

[wintry kayak]

oh damn like 5 messages up

oop

I didn’t even see it

[wintry kayak]

Alright so if I shoot near an open door and that area has another door open, I can aggro that second room if the distance between me and the enemy is 10 meters or lower?

[tardy ingot]

yes

its rarely the case tho

[ancient lotus]

Omg

Some players are worse than bots

[hidden ridge]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[native sun]

Pretty hard unless you have:

Room 1  |
--------|  Room 2
Room 3  |

[hidden ridge]

For the record, I linked something I recalled Wesley said about client, guns and sounds

[wintry kayak]

alright and so sound is measured in a straight line with disregard to walls as long as the nodes are connected?

[tardy ingot]

What wesley said is basically what i said (not a suprise)

He does describe silent shooting tho (a client only glitch)

[native sun]

wesley is talking about silent shotting, which is a major bug abuse

[hidden ridge]

Yeah it explains some... oddities I witnessed a couple of times that made me rethink how the sound mechanic works

[wintry kayak]

room
e. e. e
———————d—
me

if my situation is like this I could wake up the first enemy from the left and not wake up the others if I’m far enough away from that wall?

[native sun]

Yeah, I tend to play on high latency, and often silent shot by accident. Pretty common when you shoot and then swap to bio to tag the pulled enemies (:

[native sun]

Yes. The sound doesn't 'travel' through the door. It travels in a straight line and then gets dampened by being in a different room.

[tardy ingot]

The reason silent shooting works (afaik) is that it tries to make the sound of what you have equipped when the shot is registered by the host

its why host cant do it

[wintry kayak]

yeah I played w someone who had a macro for that. pretty cheesy

luckily I had kickplug

[tardy ingot]

so silent shooting doesnt work when going from a gun to another gun

[hidden ridge]

Wait that is a thing?

[wintry kayak]

yeah

[hidden ridge]

😄

[tardy ingot]

a mod i think

[wintry kayak]

mushroom.kickplug

[hidden ridge]

Thanks

[wintry kayak]

allows you to kick clients as long as you’re host

very minecraft style

/kick

😎

[wintry kayak]

unless that gun is a modded silenced gun or something

[dry pumice]

Hm. Is this one of those QoL mods I heard about...

[wintry kayak]

the kick mod? definitely

[solemn flint]

i didnt record it

[wintry kayak]

although this one is actually qol

[solemn flint]

but i know why though

its the ledge

the jump height was a bit slighty higher than the ledge

[native sun]

@tardy ingot Would you like to hear about a tank bug I discovered? It's very very applicable (this part is sarcasm).

[solemn flint]

is that another modder?

[soft crater]

[dry pumice]

Ignoring the HELs - what would you say be the best MAIN anti-charger weapon? Which one of them just deals DPS with none of that precision business?

[soft crater]

Main or special?

Or both in general

[dry pumice]

I caps locked it

MAIN

[soft crater]

I can't read

[dry pumice]

I noticed

[soft crater]

But uhh

Carbine I suppose

[sour bronze]

Bullets

[lusty bramble]

Rifle 🥰🥰

[soft crater]

Forgot rifle exists

Ye.

Carbine and rifle would fit the description imo

[dry pumice]

Hm. Alright, shall attempt to remember that.
Rifle, huh... Fascinating.

[lusty bramble]

Or sawed off?

They gave it that one shot charger gimmick

But overall you should just get more benefit from hel revo

[soft crater]

(Non hel weapons)

But yeah.

[lusty bramble]

Ye ik

[silver fable]

how is this with the pellet spread?

[soft crater]

Give or take just a tad shorter than pump

[silver fable]

landing a clean 1tap on chargers with pump shotty can be tricky in my experience

[lusty bramble]

I don't remember any person really complaining about it too much

[soft crater]

Chargers just probably more tricky with Sawed off

[lusty bramble]

So I assume it's consistent enough

[silver fable]

I assume people just don't tend to bring pump shotty for chargers

[lusty bramble]

Not really

[sour bronze]

Can someone explain the meme in #gtfo-media Please about shooting scouts. I think im an idiot. How is shooting the scout the superior choice?

[lusty bramble]

Most people just bring hel gun

[silver fable]

ya

in my experience I'm chipping out the remainder with main after landing most of a shell in most cases

[brittle mural]

It's faster

[sour bronze]

How?

[soft crater]

Imo. Shooting scouts is just faster and most vets can deal with woken rooms

[silver fable]

sometimes I'll get a clean kill and it's this nice rare treat

[brittle mural]

The scout dies faster

[sour bronze]

You can just run at the scout

[fierce walrus]

you do not wait for a melee oportunity

[sour bronze]

and hit it with ahmmer

[brittle mural]

Its not too hard to understand

It just is

[sour bronze]

Just run at hin

no need for opportunity

[dry pumice]

No time wasted on approaching the guy and murdering the 20 smalls between you

[fierce walrus]

yeah smalls are a problem

[soft crater]

Running at a scout takes more effort than just point and shooting it

[sour bronze]

ok i assumed ti had some deeper meaning thanks

[silver fable]

re: the scout meme: I think it's highly wasteful, should be saving those bullets for locks

[sour bronze]

True

especially sniper bullets

[soft crater]

What else are my sniper rounds for??

[fierce walrus]

exactly

is there anyone who actually shoots giants with a sniper?

like its clear it is intended for locks

[soft crater]

Imean.

definitely didn't headshot a baby striker with sniper

[fierce walrus]

its not a giant

so it works

[soft crater]

To the occiput

[lusty bramble]

How many anime people drinking coffee images do you have

[soft crater]

yes.

[sour bronze]

Another question. What is the point of the burst cannon. Its less effective with giants than a sniper, and with small people, the first bullet will kill and the rest miss due to recoil/them being dead. I just dont see a scenario where its useful besides maybe 40 enemies in a big pile so you can just let it rip.

[fierce walrus]

burst cannon used to be op

not sure if it still is

[soft crater]

Don't have to aim for head.

[fierce walrus]

yeah it one burts back im pretty sure

and it is easier to aim than sniper

[soft crater]

Even than it's left with 20-25 hp after a burst to the front

[ocean spindle]

burst cannon leave a giant in very low health, and u like a sniper can be reused for smols, can kill two with a single burst if u aim well enough, or leave 5 in nothing health too

and from the back it one shots a big

[soft crater]

A sniper shot to front body leaves it with 80 hp iirc

[silver fable]

arguably a midground giant killer between sniper (long range but requires a headshot) and scattergun (close range but deletes with bodyshot)

[fierce walrus]

will they nerf scatergun i wonder

[silver fable]

as noted by others it used to be so much more though

[ocean spindle]

yeah, it still nice, just u can use it for so far away cause of the recoil

[sour bronze]

Do you remember the orignal scatter gun

[lusty bramble]

They already did...

[ocean spindle]

but it's still medium range

[fierce walrus]

yes

[sour bronze]

before they nerfed it first

[soft crater]

Scatter gun is for on demand baby striker shredding.

[ocean spindle]

scatter gun 150 dmg 2 pen 16 bullets i think it was?

[lusty bramble]

I don't remember it having pen

[silver fable]

think it was nearly 200 damage, the pen apparently never worked

[sour bronze]

I remember just having a group of 4 all with the scattergun before the nerf on some modded maps. 30 giants died in seconds

[civic wave]

It was supposed to have pen at some point

[sour bronze]

[ocean spindle]

nah not 200, i think it was 150 for one shottin hybrids n stuff

[civic wave]

Then it got removed in patch notes

[fierce walrus]

the only issue with that scatergun - there are not enough enemies

[dry pumice]

I do imagine it would have

[ocean spindle]

then it came down to 120 i think?

[dry pumice]

It having none feels... Counter intuitive

[soft crater]

So basically you're telling me. I had the potential to scatter gun pen all 3 of my teammates in 1 shot

[lusty bramble]

I think the spread would have got them anyways

[sour bronze]

scattergun was a 1shot to players so yes

[silver fable]

it might be in line for an ammo nerf, it had less ammo than sniper in r6 but would have more than current sniper based on the last time we saw it

otherwise it should be fine

[soft crater]

But if it had pen. I could do all 3 with 1 shot

[ocean spindle]

it was nerfed to 14 bullets total i think

[lusty bramble]

I don't think it's in line for any changes, it wasn't that great besides being funny to use

[sour bronze]

14 x 100 bullets

since each shot ejected a wall of bullets

[soft crater]

I just wanna load in 2 jumbo shells.

[fierce walrus]

how much health does a big mom have again?

[sour bronze]

1000 i think

[soft crater]

Rather than loading a weird 2 round mag

[fierce walrus]

l o v e l y

[sour bronze]

1000 is either mother or big mother

[ocean spindle]

yeah against bosses it was kinda bonkers

[soft crater]

Big mother is 2500 iirc

[fierce walrus]

that is 2 scateguns

[sour bronze]

yea thats right

just checked

[lusty bramble]

If you were client sure

[soft crater]

But their tumors iirc

Are 5x

Or was it 3x

[fierce walrus]

3x

[sour bronze]

5x

[fierce walrus]

i think

[dry pumice]

So wait, I can't catch it

[sour bronze]

checked the wiki

its 5x

[soft crater]

It was one or the other.

[fierce walrus]

oh

so you can solo a big mom with scatergun

[sour bronze]

yup

[fierce walrus]

that will be funny

[sour bronze]

shotguns are the optimal choice for mother already

[fierce walrus]

i can already see ||R3D1|| with scatergun

one person walks in

that is enough

[lusty bramble]

The optimal choice is using the hammer 🥰🥰

[sour bronze]

save ammo

[fierce walrus]

the optimal choice is bringing mom to extract and making a zoo for the warden

[sour bronze]

The scattergun crosshair took up half the screen

[soft crater]

I can't wait to Sawedoff/scattergun build

[fierce walrus]

oneshot smalls

oneshot bigs

[sour bronze]

oneshot mother

oneshot tank

[fierce walrus]

oneshot pablo

[sour bronze]

oneshot ||kraken||

how do i spoiler?

[fierce walrus]

||. ||

||

[sour bronze]

how u do dat?

[fierce walrus]

on both sides

||

||

[sour bronze]

ah i see

thanks

[civic wave]

Or highlight the text and it should let you spoiler

[fierce walrus]

i cannot wait for that level

I wonder of they will change it

[sour bronze]

the issua with that level was taht it had 100000 checkpoints

[fierce walrus]

yeah

[sour bronze]

you walked 5 metres and it gave you another one

[fierce walrus]

R6 was easy all things considered

[sour bronze]

It was deigned for new players

but i wish they had a few hard levels late game

[fierce walrus]

yeah it was very much made to attract people

[sour bronze]

and it did quite well

[fierce walrus]

D1 was very easily marketable

the fact R6 lacked an E tier shows that it was meant for new people too

[icy cave]

R6D3PE was a good challenge

[fierce walrus]

the funky room

[sour bronze]

i have no recollection of d3

which level was that?

[icy cave]

It was also the only hard one

[icy cave]

gen shutdown on ovl starts an error, team has to split. 2 hold error, 2 sneak tank barracks

turn off error, do shadow class VI, start shadow error, turn that off, plug in cell, do reactor while fog is rising

[fierce walrus]

yeah funky level

[sour bronze]

oh ok yea i remember

[icy cave]

Last code is short timer with shadow wave on repeat, while one player basically search for key to open room to last code with tank

then when reac is done, 15 minute timer to do secondary

after 15 min surge error

[sour bronze]

oh

yea

i remember that

surge error

we didnt make it in 15

[fierce walrus]

everyone - prepare to die horribly

[icy cave]

well there ya go. that was kinda the only hard level in R6 but it was the most fun.

[fierce walrus]

i remember dying to the surge

[icy cave]

R6D4 was fun as well but just not that hard

[civic wave]

Going back to those levels after massively improving should be fun, however

[silver fable]

I still think people are going to realize r6 difficulty is in line with most other rundowns

[civic wave]

Current version feels kinda bad to play imo

[forest lily]

Why do people prefer the revolver over the high caliber pistol out of the two special weapons?

[silver fable]

mostly because after revisiting most of the others it's become clear that a lot were misremembered difficulty-wise

[sour bronze]

yea i started in r4, but r6 was the 1st rundown i finished, and we struggled on it. Going back now after finishing eveythign else should be fun

[sour bronze]

hcb has low ammo

and both one-shot smol's

[forest lily]

Wait really?

[civic wave]

Better ammo economy especially vs smalls, and faster reload

Has a sick reload cancel too

[sour bronze]

no i lied

[forest lily]

Oh wow, righton.

[silver fable]

also we'll be comparing with the same weapon balance

[civic wave]

Revolver one shots them to the head

High cal to the body or jeas

Head

[forest lily]

So if you're good with headshots I guess it's just an overall W to go for the revolver?

[sour bronze]

Yup

[icy cave]

not really

[civic wave]

Yeah, against most enemy types

[sour bronze]

there are exceptions

but revolver is just more efficient in almost every case

[forest lily]

If you're doing a mission, like let's say r2d2 where you're getting massive hordes of enemies with larger enemies upon occasion, is the revolver good for the big guys too or would the high caliber pistol be better for damage?

[silver fable]

you think r2 wasn't far easier than people made it out to be?

[icy cave]

R2 was nerfed

[silver fable]

not by much

[icy cave]

By a LOT

[silver fable]

they took spicy fog out of r2d2 and moved some rooms around, but it's almost inconsequential

[icy cave]

extra doors, nerfed alarms, removal of infectious fog, flipping error around

[civic wave]

Removing a cell/gen from c1

[dry pumice]

Revolver is meh against giants. Like any weapon that relies on stable precision shots. HCP is definetely preferable.

[forest lily]

Gotcha.

[dry pumice]

HEL rifle is also alright, especially if they make a train

[sour bronze]

yea for the gigantus the hcb is better, but then take a good weapon for dealing with small mfs

[silver fable]

most of the levels in r2 are just conceptually cakewalks anyway, there's no version of c1 or c2 or d1 that could possibly be hard

[icy cave]

R2B1 has 4 extra doors to foam, R2C1 uplink is now one zone away from extract making shadow error useless, R2B2 extra door to defend, R2D2 removal of infectious fog, R2D1 first 2 alarms nefed so hard due to lay-out enemies trickle in and you can solo hold

[silver fable]

they're goddamn b and c levels

[icy cave]

R2E1 error flipped around so you start in fog instead of ending in it.

[forest lily]

I'm just trying to get together weapons that'd help us out with R2D2, alot of people seem to suggest using the revolver but our group found that the HCP seems to just do way better.

[icy cave]

it's still nerfs

like

[silver fable]

I'll give you some amount of e1, the error reordering and removing fog from final zone is a nerf

they buffed earlier parts but nerf overall

[silver fable]

even if I grant you that difficulty of b levels somehow matters, original r2 b levels are some of the easiest ever

[icy cave]

But I was not really aiming at R2 cause altho it's nerfed the most probably, I agree that people were most nostalgic towards that one

You take R4 and R5 A, B and C tiers they slap R6 out

[silver fable]

nah, not the r4 b tiers

r5 sure

[icy cave]

D tier too actually

[dry pumice]

Revo is crazy good if you can reliably hit headshots on smalls, but worthless on giants. HCP is just much easier to use across the board.
Also do consider HEL rifle, I do remember enemies creating penetration opportunities quite a bit.

[icy cave]

you high on your bath salts

[silver fable]

overall r4 and r5 are for sure harder than r6, that's indisputable

[icy cave]

sec. phone call

[silver fable]

but r4's earlier tiers are just kinda long

[icy cave]

I'll dismantle later

[silver fable]

sure bud

[tardy ingot]

Jumping itself increases fall damage :|

[dry pumice]

On a side note: does crouching decreases it?

I swear I sometimes make the drops crouching that 100% would damage me if just walked off.

Could be placebo, so I'm curious if anyone has a confirmation

[solemn flint]

thats new

[tardy ingot]

No lol

[tardy ingot]

not that i know off, so most likely not

then again, i rarely crouch of edges

[tardy ingot]

Most reliable. Dmr
Most efficient, machine pp (in theory)
Carbine also works

[silver fable]

I was going to say earlier that it looks like double tap and burst rifle should do okay on paper

into chargers

[tardy ingot]

You cant always do that

Enemies on the scout or in front of him make it not doable. Enemies somewhere on the way increase the risk for a scream aswell

Shooting is quick and safe, no hassle

[silver fable]

tbh it feels like the "vets just shoot the scout" meme might've been made by someone who's uncomfortable meleeing scouts coping

truth is you want to be able to do both, because both come up often

[dry pumice]

Sometimes I just shoot them because I can I want to

[sour bronze]

I say run, but i mean just walk

[dry pumice]

Just makes me feel good and I don't really need that one HCP bullet.

[sour bronze]

you can still make it with its tentacles extended if you hit as soon as possible

but yea in some cases its easier to shoot

[tardy ingot]

1. you cant if you walk in a lot of scenarios
2. even when running theres tentacles that are too long
3. enemies waking up close to it will make it insta invulnerable

[dry pumice]

Wait a second. How exactly DMR is "reliable" against chargers? How many shots does it take to kill? Like 5, 6?

[craggy pier]

u could just test it in r5b3

[dry pumice]

In at work so wiki it is.

[craggy pier]

4 btw

[dry pumice]

7,5...

Huh. Exactly 4 shots.

I'll consider it.

[icy cave]

When you take into account all R4 B tier throws at you it. R6Btier is a joke. Not to mention that R6B1 should have been A tier to start with

[silver fable]

the moment's over dude

[icy cave]

Bruh the phone call was long !

I can't help it

[silver fable]

lol

[icy cave]

I am working technically

[silver fable]

obv. r6 doesn't have a fleshed-out b tier

I just don't think that really means much for difficulty

besides, my point was that r6 is in line with "most" rundowns, not that it's as difficult an undertaking as r4 or r5

[icy cave]

well yes R6 is middle of the road

[silver fable]

it's on par with r7 and a step up from r2 imo

[icy cave]

I would say on par with R2 and Step down from R7

[silver fable]

and I think a lot of the people putting r7 a peg above were either on the r6 hate wagon or on some r7 cope

and I think this probably comes back to that time when you said r7c3pe is hard somehow

[icy cave]

R7A loses, R7B wins, R7C wins, R7D is equal. R7E well it's there

[icy cave]

R7C3PE is a decent challenge it is by far not in the hardest missions cat

[silver fable]

I think in terms of levels r7b3 and r7c3 have this problem where they substitute "lengthy busywork then hard part at end" in place of "actually hard for a meaningful duration"

[icy cave]

It's is harder than R6C3PE or R6C2sec or R6C1 for sure tho

[tardy ingot]

Afaik pen never worked on it

Also 192 dmg iirc

[ocean spindle]

huh qwq was it really

[icy cave]

I would argue most teams struggle with the early part of R7C3PE

[silver fable]

I'm curious how this changes with non-broken sniper

[ocean spindle]

i could swear it was like 150

damn qwq

[icy cave]

Not that much, R6C2sec is still one mag for the Error wave

[silver fable]

okay, I don't rate intermediate player skill issue with bigs in difficulty at all

[icy cave]

R6C3PE no sniper on the team, R6C1 idem

[silver fable]

you have no idea how many times I've grinded through r7c3 early part duo, it's trivial busywork

[tardy ingot]

You can solo with a lot of guns

If you mean burst her. No
Youd need to reload a lot even as client

[icy cave]

Bur then you need to say based on what you rate

[icy cave]

that's anecdotal

[tardy ingot]

Its on r2 levels imo on average

Generally harder but no E tier

[icy cave]

Thanks Eva

[tardy ingot]

D1 yes
otherwise meh

[silver fable]

hard to really pin down firm criteria, but I'd say that it really has to remain hard when you have firm strategies and are playing close to your skill ceiling

[icy cave]

Ok you were doing fine just before. now you can stop 😅

[silver fable]

tbh I'm not sure at all how I feel about r2e1

[icy cave]

In that case really only E Tier comes to mind

[tardy ingot]

No. R6B1 is not A tier
Its comparable to R2B3 for example. Easy side b tier

[icy cave]

meh

[silver fable]

hmm, you're suggesting that r2d2 and r2b1 are equivalently hard when played by a 4man at their skill ceiling? (as an example of where I think what you're suggesting leads)

[icy cave]

R2B3 can also move to A tier

[dry pumice]

I can agree that early bit of 7c3 is grindy. It's not really hard, it's just an exercise in patience.

[icy cave]

R2D2 are not hard when playing with a 4 man. R2B1 is not either

[tardy ingot]

I consider r6c3pe harder than r7c3pe tbh

R6C2sec, prob not. But sniper nerf might make it seem harder

[silver fable]

I'd argue that there's room for gradation

[icy cave]

you finding R6C3PE hard is baffling me. it is such an easy map, it is literally auto pilot

[soft crater]

How the hell is R6C3PE hard?

[tardy ingot]

Id say no change matters aside from R2D1 which is incredibly nerfed and E1 which is overall more on the same level in exchange for the ending being easier

[icy cave]

It would still be one mag a wave, you just would need to hog more of the ammo packs

[icy cave]

I dunno

[silver fable]

it has more bigs than r7c3, and actual tanks you have to face

[tardy ingot]

Theres 1 a level (main) thats harder. Thats r3a3

r7c3 beginning is trivial boredom

[icy cave]

there you go downgrade the both to A

[silver fable]

r7c3's waves are kind of a predictable cadence: wave of smalls, 3 bigs, then 2 smalls and a shadow big, repeat

[tardy ingot]

the error is less of a challenge than r6c3 due to what spawns

Only difference is doing blood door of doom in error vs tank + waves while moving cells rly

[silver fable]

I do think r7c3's difficulty at the time was bolstered by the guns available, hel weapons would've ripped through that level

[hidden ridge]

Like, 2+1 sleeping? and you could get the Extreme one to fall off the map or something

[dry pumice]

Figuring out Secondary with a horde on your ass.

[hidden ridge]

It felt supermild as along as you knew where to go and what to do

[silver fable]

2 > 0

[hidden ridge]

R4C3 has 1...

[icy cave]

Who is talking bout R4C3?

[hidden ridge]

Comparing Cs?

[tardy ingot]

It also has a charger error lol

[hidden ridge]

yeah which makes it harder than R6C3

[tardy ingot]

yea lol

[icy cave]

I mean R4C3 is above R7 AND R6 C3

[tardy ingot]

but that wasnt the argument

[hidden ridge]

R6C3 if you know where to go and what to do it's just abusing doors

[hidden ridge]

ok mb

[tardy ingot]

R4C3 is prob the hardest or 2nd hardest C?

[icy cave]

I think everyone agrees there

[silver fable]

the designs of r6c3 and r7c3 are just much easier to compare side by side imo

[silver fable]

same with r7c3

slight exception that sometimes you post sentries outside of terminal rooms to do a few uplinks

but it's not a big deal

[icy cave]

Back to pasta making you go

[silver fable]

agreed

(obv. beside the point)

[icy cave]

Can't disagree with that one 😂

[silver fable]

I still have to wrap up the r4c3pe duo

had one of the clutchest last-man's of my life on the final class 4 into turbine room

[soft crater]

R6D1 straight to Apex Door challenge

[silver fable]

then died to turbine room

[soft crater]

(That aside. R6D1 has so many fucking checkpoints)

[tardy ingot]

5

for no reason

it couldve done 2 or maybe 3

but 5 lol

[silver fable]

when I say r6 is around r7 in overall difficulty, r6d1 is doing none of the work at all to get it there

[tardy ingot]

Ye

[soft crater]

People who couldn't get past R6D4 Starting Area

[tardy ingot]

Start was the hardest part of r6d4

then the t scan

[silver fable]

my hope is that they tune the rest of r6d4 to be as fire as r6d4 opening

[tardy ingot]

honestly r6d4 having 2 of the hardest scans of r6 was oof

[tardy ingot]

shorten fog zone (like they did r5d2) then make it and the ending error harder

[soft crater]

The other thing is. What levels do you think they might add Snatchers into R6

[hidden ridge]

Only parts I found hard about R6D4 was start and the end wave (before we tried foaming it, then it became trivial)

[tardy ingot]

R6C3

[silver fable]

I was thinking the scan in fog zone could become a surge

[tardy ingot]

Charger t scan is quite a challenge

[hidden ridge]

I hope B2 tbh

[tardy ingot]

not a walkthrough like other alarms

[tardy ingot]

Doesnt fit tho

[hidden ridge]

Mayhaps, but it really needs something imho

Plus you could get one at the error on the end

[silver fable]

then remove the checkpoints (implicit buff to mommy dark zone, but chuck a pmom in there), do something to buff the end, and relabel as r6e1

also iron out whatever causes the chargers to stutter in that goddamn t scan

[tardy ingot]

stuff stutters due to ton of dimensions being loaded no?

[silver fable]

that's the hearsay at least

I'd hope 10cc can/will do something about it though

[native sun]

0 rooms away: 50m detection.
1 room away: 30m detection.
2 rooms away: 10m detection.

[bold canopy]

I was just changing something in the options and I noticed this thing called "separate use keybinds" with an extremely helpful hover-over tooltip that says "separate use keybinds". What does that do?

[native sun]

It's good into shadow + charger giants and mum. Definitely worse than sniper into regular giants, but also definitely better than sniper into smalls, especially clustered smalls.

Definitely a very niche weapon, very few levels feature the enemy combinations that make it the best choice. R3D1 is a good level for it, arguably R4C3PE (but regular charger clear is so important on this level that it's probably not worthwhile). Otherwise, it's still serviceable on any level where sniper is good.

[native sun]

I believe that is supposed to be for having separate keys for use-on-yourself and use-on-someone-else, when giving out ammo/tool/medi.

[bold canopy]

Oh, that would make sense. I remember now there being a use on other button that does nothing. I guess I'll be enabling it to avoid some rather common meme situations.

Thanks

[craggy pier]

burst cannon is still really good, people just can't use it well, you can analyse it all you want, but at the end of the day people still don't understand how it's used or why it's still good

[tardy ingot]

and why would it be "really good"

where does it shine. Or where does it not have a major flaw?

[fierce walrus]

someone disagreed with eva

for them

[tardy ingot]

i dunno if a joke
but either way, what a point is this supposed to be?

[fierce walrus]

its very much a joke

[silver fable]

are we talking sweep-bursting a pack of smalls and then chipping with main or something?

like, people obv. get that it's strong into bigs/bosses

but you no longer 1burst 5 smalls with it

[ocean spindle]

i mean id say people very much understand perfectly hoe its used and its defo not as broken as it used to b but id say its not abhorrent, its still flexible n good enough to service its both functions

[native sun]

mum squad wiped on r5e1 cell skip, i took BC, i solo kill mum, we win, BC good

[ocean spindle]

:O

[dry pumice]

What kind of robot you have to be to land even 3/5 bullets on a random wave

[ocean spindle]

depends on enemy position i guess

[tardy ingot]

make recoil normal and its perfectly fine

[ocean spindle]

yeah, recoils gross but eh still usable in medium distances kinda

...

kinda

:^

[native sun]

I think that what makes BC good, is that its burst damage is just kinda completely in a league of its own, which an effective user can utilize to diffuse what would otherwise be a squadwipe scenario. It gets you through that single moment, that one hardest part of the level, and it is ASS at every other moment.

[tardy ingot]

once scattergun (if unnerfed) comes back

thats gonna be so gone

[ocean spindle]

but its not back yet :3
use it while u can ksmdksmd

tbh idk how good scattergun is at minis tho
i guess its like sprayin the sawed off but with more dmg

[native sun]

I highly value weapons that let you do that. As a player I optimize for the hardest moment in the level. Other players don't value that as much, and I am grateful they exist, otherwise my HEL shotgun BC wielding ass would have died to the tiny lil regular alarm ages ago.

[native sun]

yeah, kinda a lot

[tardy ingot]

lets just say, getting 2 kills per shot isnt hard. and that puts it over normal shotty in efficiency immediatly

[ocean spindle]

a

damn

wtf :3

[native sun]

Have you played with inquisition rework scattergun @tardy ingot ? It's fricken busted but an interesting direction to take the gun.

[tardy ingot]

nop

[ocean spindle]

what does it change :O

[native sun]

pen + 3 round burst, makes it feel a lot more usable in corridors

Not that it needs that at all, but sometimes scattergun only hitting the front 2 enemies felt a little weird (though R6 stats meant hitting the front 2 was still more than enough).

my disintegration cone isn't disintegrating everything in the cone, just most of the cone

[silver fable]

fair enough, and there's basically always enough room in a 4man to put someone in a role like that

what you described though makes me think a bit of pump shotgun

like sure you don't get the same level of raw power

[native sun]

I value pump shotty in the exact same way. Squadwipe diffuser.

[silver fable]

it has a waveclear dimension that burst cannon just took a big hit to, though

[misty iris]

Was the hell gun startup nerf significant?

I can’t seem to find exact numbers

[native sun]

0.1 to 0.2. Took the weapon from SS giga busted to S tier.

[silver fable]

it induced mass skill issue for a while, but I tbh I think it's still busted

[misty iris]

Oh that’s not bad at all

[neon gust]

I said 0.1 > 0.25

[winged turtle]

lol i heard someone call it a full second charge up

[neon gust]

Shoulda listen to me

[silver fable]

it's a pretty big hit to dps, but it still has something like 70dps which is still nutty

I think landing your headshots post-nerf is mostly skill issue

[raven cliff]

how many fully charged knife hits does it take to kill a giant striker?

[silver fable]

I don't know, it's an interesting nerf

[brittle mural]

24

[winged turtle]

i have a buddy who is testing it, he started a few weeks ago, he should be done counting tomorrow

[raven cliff]

thanks

[silver fable]

22 body on an awake giant, I think it becomes more like 15 if you occi stab a sleeping one to start off?

[silver fable]

120/5.5, not 120/5

similar enough though

[raven cliff]

how viable are knives against a giant?

[silver fable]

they're basically not

even with that sleep occi stab

I once knife solo'd the first few zones of r7c1 for the memes, but it was product (foam, yellow drugs) all the way

so like, you can learn the numbers for foam + backstabbing giants if you like

but mostly you should only really be interested in knife on levels where you're only really looking to melee smalls

[raven cliff]

also another question do knives have this hidden feature where normally when you melee kill a sleeper next to another sleeper they would wake up but with the knives are they less likely to wake up? or is the aggro range less?

[silver fable]

tbh I don't know how the purported extra stealthy feature of knife works

[craggy pier]

kniving giants is actually not that bad if you know your timing and hitbox

especially when you're client

[brittle mural]

No

If you kill while one is glowing, you can kinda win rng with it not waking up

Pretty rare though, its not reliable

[dry pumice]

Apparently knives have extra damage against sleeping enemies, or so I heard.

[civic wave]

Well the person who said that is full of shit

[winged turtle]

yup

back multiplier and head multuplier, end of list

[dry pumice]

Right. Not surprised, doesn't sound like a mechanic 10c would code.

[winged turtle]

gotta remember melee and guns use the same enemy detection system, just with different values

this game is streamlined to the point of detriment

[civic wave]

If it sounds like it'd take effort, it wouldn't be coded into the game

[past mesa]

this is correct

knife does do double dmg to sleeping enemies

not inculding scout

[brittle mural]

Fact checked it

[civic wave]

fact chcked by Snopes

all the enemies are ones

[winged turtle]

oh huh, neat

[past mesa]

yeah only melee to do it

tbh it doesnt do to well on the knife

it would be much better on spear

[civic wave]

nah it should be on hammer to return occi

[past mesa]

knife would do better with 1.5 extra back dmg

[past mesa]

it wouldnt do much on hammer for occi

it would destory giants

one tap them for both spear and hammer to occi

LOL

the only two break point the knife gets with sleeping bonus is you can back shot strikers full charge and kill and giants occi with yell drug kill

[lone mortar]

Its jish guys

4 hammer vs tank

[dry pumice]

That's what was throwing me off - killing biters with a not-head backstab.

I was like "it doesn't feel like it should do that, but also makes perfect sense. Huh."

And then I tried to backstab a shooter and it awoke

shrug

[past mesa]

I guess you can also break a giant limb from stealth as well

[dry pumice]

but why would I do that

[lone mortar]

Jish when you dont 2 tap kill hybirds:

Jish when you dont go down:

[craggy pier]

i wish more people learned how to 2 occiput hybrids

makes a lot of c to e levels faster

[upper ginkgo]

does it really speed up your completion times??

[silver fable]

in gtfo-related-questions: hammer needs buff

knife definitely has the purported sleep multi btw

back stabs on sleepers kill

[craggy pier]

does killing things faster in non alarm situations speed up completion times

[silver fable]

*sleeping sleepers

[civic wave]

hm, interesting

[civic wave]

never heard of it or tried it before, feel like I'd already have known about it

[dry pumice]

What if spear was meant to have stealth multi as well, but they forgot it just like they forgot to remove stamina from shoves

[mossy aurora]

yes. i only know how to kill a hybrid with light taps

[silver fable]

doubtful, its big feature was meant to be pierce

[dry pumice]

Well, where is it

[lone mortar]

Certified Ryk momento

[past mesa]

you can melee hybrids 😲 i have been shooting the r5c1 respawn room every time i go into it

[silver fable]

removed because of 5shotting with one spear stab

[dry pumice]

And let me guess

They didn't buff it in return

Just raw -feature

[lone mortar]

What was C1 again jish?

I forgor

[silver fable]

as far as I recall there was no compensation buff for spear

[past mesa]

there was not

[dry pumice]

That explains so fuckin' much

[past mesa]

TBH the spear isnt awful

[civic wave]

2 S1s, 2 uplinks, EX is another uplink

[lone mortar]

Spear is great

[dry pumice]

I now feel genuine anger

[past mesa]

it having light tap 2 is bad

[civic wave]

and then 2 rooms filled with big stuff

[lone mortar]

3 uplinks

[past mesa]

spear having dumb stam choices is bad

[lone mortar]

2dmg light tap POV:

[past mesa]

if it was the same stam cost as bat

it would be fairly meta just with a very very diffrent play style than hammer

[dry pumice]

What are you talking about, stamina means nothing

[lone mortar]

Imagine running while charging with spear

[mossy aurora]

jish can u pls make a mod where shoving a teammate will aim punch them but do 0 damage to them

[past mesa]

good change

!!

[lone mortar]

That can be arranged

[past mesa]

it means a lot because you have to choose to stand your ground or run away

[lone mortar]

Still

[past mesa]

if it could stand its ground for a bit then run away

[dry pumice]

I have no idea what you're talking about

You literally can't stand shit

[past mesa]

you can

[lone mortar]

You can literally 1v10 or just kill one and run around both clearing and position your self easy

[dry pumice]

Maybe if charge was like 30% faster

[past mesa]

poking around corners is really good

[dry pumice]

Or... Well, 20%

[past mesa]

charge is pretty fast already

[lone mortar]

The corner tech

Instantly no hit carries through

[past mesa]

light tap 3, plus stam downgrade makes charge better and gives it something to do when sleepers get woken up

[lone mortar]

The pillars/server machinery is ur ally

[past mesa]

without just staming out in two hits

[dry pumice]

What is a light tap

Do you mean quick stab damage

[lone mortar]

Left click

[past mesa]

yeah

[lone mortar]

M1

[dry pumice]

Explains why I can't finish off enemies I full body stabbed

[lone mortar]

Charge=m1 + hold

[dry pumice]

Full charge to chest and then 2 lights

[past mesa]

yeah

[lone mortar]

U use knife?

[past mesa]

light tap 3 fixes a lot on spear

[dry pumice]

Hm, don't know

Who light taps anyway

[lone mortar]

Spear has 1.3 multi on charge precision

[past mesa]

light tap is also where charge dmg starts from

[lone mortar]

1.0 on light sadly

[past mesa]

so light tap 3 makes it hit break points faster

if you hit your shots

[dry pumice]

Aside from people stunlocking a biter so that he doesn't scream

[past mesa]

it is a massive buff

[past mesa]

people who dont understand light tap dont like stam

tbh

[dry pumice]

Wait so you're basically just proposing a +50 raw damage, no?

[past mesa]

no

3 --- 17.5 from 2 ----- 17.5

it is an insane change

[dry pumice]

I don't see anything aside from double tap kills

[past mesa]

then stam from 0.05 ---- 0.025

[lone mortar]

Still

[past mesa]

double tap kills take no stam

[lone mortar]

Sleepers(not awake) take multi as well for being asleep

[past mesa]

and it makes the charge amount to get head shot kills from the front modertaly faster

like

it is a massive buff i dont know how else to explain

[dry pumice]

I feel like this is a hot take, but I don't know.

All I know is that for me it means nothing

I only care about full charge dmg

[past mesa]

it still does something for you

[lone mortar]

Ye

[past mesa]

because stam not costing as much means you can full charge at normal speed for longer

[dry pumice]

I see the words, but don't get the meaning

[lone mortar]

Wait

[cold quarry]

hit things easier

[past mesa]

stam effects charge time on melees

[lone mortar]

Lower stam =shorter hold charge?

[past mesa]

less stam means faster charge

YEAH

[lone mortar]

Holy shit

[dry pumice]

Then just call it a faster charge time

[past mesa]

no

it isnt

[dry pumice]

What is this galaxy brain crap

[cold quarry]

yeah low stam slows down everything not just your speed

[raven cliff]

why did my bot try to melee a giant striker

[past mesa]

it is a stam change

[lone mortar]

SO THATS WHY YOU RUSHED ME INTO CLEARING HYBIRDS

[cold quarry]

they're stupid beyond belief

[raven cliff]

it was one that was already awake too it just happened to get close

[dry pumice]

Bots will melee anything that gets within 3-4 steps of them

Irrelevant of context or enemy type

[lone mortar]

You mean Stoopid

[raven cliff]

so does that mean they can try to melee the immortal enemy?

[dry pumice]

I put a "decent chance" on that

[past mesa]

i think they are not suppost to melee tanks

[lone mortar]

Anything with a health bar

They will mele

Pablo =9999999999.9

[cold quarry]

no, in that case they just stare at it

which results in a very quick down

[raven cliff]

i tried fighting the mother on the expedition named alpha and the bots kept trying to melee the baby strikers that the mother spawns

[lone mortar]

Yea

Theyyy tend to do that

[craggy pier]

just hit the invisible head hitbox with spear

[short gate]

What have i missed?

[lone mortar]

The arc of meles

[short gate]

???

[lone mortar]

Yo @past mesa 2 full charge hammer or one 1 full charge and 50%?

[lone mortar]

Hol up

Lemme cook

[short gate]

Bet

[lone mortar]

@sacred dew can choke mod shotgun instant 2 tap kill chager scouts?

[dry pumice]

Yes

[past mesa]

based

[lone mortar]

The gun has literally no delay between shots

[sacred dew]

from the front? yes if you're accurate enough
from the back? one shot is fine

[silver fable]

the charger scout can stagger off target a bit and cause some pellets to miss, so I'd be inclined to triple-tap

[lone mortar]

And how much for charge up hammers?

[craggy pier]

why do you need to be accurate enough, the cs won't stagger for 0.2 to 0.5ish seconds if you're client

[lone mortar]

1 full + 80%? Or less?

I always count from the back

Cause i like those juicy dmg multis

[craggy pier]

it's pretty simple

boot up r7c3, find a cfoam grenade

test it yourself

[lone mortar]

Already did

But just out of context cookin for this guy here @short gate

[short gate]

Aye

[lone mortar]

Btw whats yall favorite level for each tier?

Based on peak of interest (difficulty can be a factor)

[sacred dew]

2 hammers to the back within like 0.5s? more reliable if client hits the scout first then host

[lone mortar]

I have almost all my heart to R6 already

[lone mortar]

[winged turtle]

across all rundowns? imma wait to playe R6 to say

[lone mortar]

Fav level?

[lone mortar]

As in rn

[winged turtle]

gimme a min

[lone mortar]

I would never compare Alts to OG rundowns

Its a one sided comparison

[short gate]

Ooooh

That’s a good question

[lone mortar]

There we go

Finally some spice in my cook

[short gate]

I’d have to say…

Damn i don’t really know, but I’m a big fan of the one with the foggy bridge, snatchers and tanks.

And chargers.

[buoyant drift]

Have any advice for R1C1 ?
I'm wondering if we defense in the previous zone is feasible

[lone mortar]

On the bridge

Always a great spot

[lone mortar]

Was it R6?

Or it might be R4C1

[weary mesa]

R7D1 probably

[lone mortar]

Cause the big room where main plus forward extraction is

[weary mesa]

no pouncer in R6

[lone mortar]

Oh yeah

Its gonna be R7D1 then

[lone mortar]

Whats ur fav?

[ocean spindle]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"
a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

is a really long text ngl

its a copypasta a friendo made for thwse situations but its 70 miles long

[lone mortar]

Holee

[ocean spindle]

i dont wanna explode the chat more

[lone mortar]

Thats alot of shite

[ocean spindle]

hole :3

[lone mortar]

Bro cooked fast

Thanks for cookin slendi

[ocean spindle]

no thank wheat

[lone mortar]

Was cookin with bones

[ocean spindle]

its their copypasta

[lone mortar]

Oh

[ocean spindle]

:3 thank u wheat

[lone mortar]

Oi @winged turtle

[ocean spindle]

they offline skdmk

[lone mortar]

Newbies send their thanks

[dry pumice]

I really liked R6C1 for some reason

[buoyant drift]

Hmm , 30 seconds is definitely a great information

[dry pumice]

I remember that level fondly

[lone mortar]

The big drop off and moving scan

[dry pumice]

Don't know why. Maybe my unreasonable love for waterworks tileset.

[winged turtle]

fair

i can be more concise

[lone mortar]

Tbh i fucking loved R6B1

[ocean spindle]

take into accout the more waves it passes, the time in the warmin up phase increases, from like 15 to 30 to 40 to more than one minute

allowin u to go further into the level for more resources

[lone mortar]

If it wasn’t dark as shit when doing power re routes

[winged turtle]

i am always offline these days

[ocean spindle]

ah hi :3
tbh yes maybs i should like copypaste the parts that r like importants but its a very cool text very useful

[short gate]

Maybe

[ocean spindle]

also qwq

[short gate]

I’ll be back

[lone mortar]

Nay

Its R7D1 brother

[lone mortar]

Ill be mimir then

[buoyant drift]

Have another question , I see lots of players crouching while sprinting .
What's the point ?

[ocean spindle]

ah, u slide! if u start runnin and u press crouch u will hear and see ur character slidin
this is just kinda niche thing to do while runnin, it can save a bit of stamina and be a smidge faster than runnin

but most people, like me, use it to have somethin to do with the hands while just pressin W

[weary mesa]

I think ALT R4D2 is pretty good

They buffed it too so that's nice

[lone mortar]

COD slide

[lone mortar]

Wait its buffed?

And I think it was nerfed

[weary mesa]

Last two alarms aren't 6 anymore and everything past I think the class 5? is chargers now

OG the alarms stopped going up after when you hit 6 and they were mixed waves

[lone mortar]

I mean

Counting from first main door is cluster 2

[winged turtle]

it preserves a little stamina and only slows you down a little

[lone mortar]

To 10 being the apex door

[winged turtle]

good for long distances

[buoyant drift]

Like carrying a cargo or sth. ?

[ocean spindle]

um no, just generally when runnin from one place to another
when u have a cargo a cell or anythin like that, u cant run, therefore u cant slide

[buoyant drift]

Oh , got it
Thanks for helping

[lone mortar]

“Sussy or die”

[ocean spindle]

its okii good luck on ur runs!

[lone mortar]

Pre alpha warden - 2017

[lone mortar]

Fuck this reject homan i want to become sleeper

[ocean spindle]

nuh >:c

[lone mortar]

Mimir

[ocean spindle]

mimir but not as a sleeper

just a lil nap