gtfo-related-questions

[tardy ingot]

Headshot included

Thats litteraly more than a mag

[dry pumice]

😭

[tardy ingot]

Precision rifle is troll vs giants

[dry pumice]

My god you're right

After the nerf it literally can't kill one in a mag

[tardy ingot]

yep

it can technically 1 mag hybrids/chickens but you need 6 straight headshots

[dry pumice]

Fucking 😖

[minor fractal]

Won't stop PuGs from comparing it to Sniper.

[tardy ingot]

yep

[dry pumice]

If it looks and sounds like one - it is one.

[tardy ingot]

Love it when i see peeps saying „let me headshot it“ with a precision rifle. And the sniper then body shots it once, then kills it with bullpup

[dry pumice]

The rest is on the developers for inconsistant visual design

[minor fractal]

It's still pretty good for shadows, but literally only because of their 0.8 movespeed. Turns out +2 bullets is not worth it for that reload.

[tardy ingot]

ye

[dry pumice]

Imho they overnerfed it bad

[tardy ingot]

worst special by far rn

[dry pumice]

They could at least speed up reload to compensate

But nah. Can't have good things in garganta.

[minor fractal]

It was fine before, and tbh a 10 mag might be playable.

[tardy ingot]

I wouldve made it unique (even if it needed balancing then). Increase the mag to like 14+, increase reload time

IF i had to change it

like it wasnt the best before either

[dry pumice]

Should've removed full auto mode, increase recoil and decrease fire rate

[tardy ingot]

it was decent vs smalls and good vs mom/dad but took a lot longer than pump or choke/sniper)

[minor fractal]

We're not allowed to have fun guns.

[tardy ingot]

I mean

idk why the fuck

they fucked the HAR

how to make a gun feel like garbage

give it shit ass random recoil

[minor fractal]

Too casual, we're not allowed to have fun guns.

[tardy ingot]

and this might just be me not having played it in a while. But it doesnt feel like you can reload cancel it as well anymore

[dry pumice]

"Hmmm, something doesn't feel right...
Carbine needs more range!"

[minor fractal]

At least the HCP is still playable.

[tardy ingot]

it got shanked but is at least fine-ish

[minor fractal]

It might legitimately be buffed for the sorts of people that were often running it before.

Because for those people it's basically just low skill revo.

[tardy ingot]

possibly ye

tho even they would need more shots vs giants/chargers and co

[minor fractal]

Yeah, and it doesn't help that they probably don't know the new breakpoints/aren't weapon switching on chargers.

[tardy ingot]

Ye

Its still sad that even with switching its just so much worse vs them :c

[minor fractal]

Same as revo tbh.

[tardy ingot]

revo at least is super insane vs smalls once mastered

but current high cal is just low skill revo

[minor fractal]

Post-R6 revo feels cracked.

Dat hip-fire

[tardy ingot]

btw Ray. Do you know why or HOW new players always tend to choose the worst stuff?

r5 - burst sentry spam
r6 - auto sentry spam
r7 - shotgun sentry spam

Also, rn bullpup, precision rifle and spear

[ocean spindle]

in paper they all sound cool, thats why

[minor fractal]

1. New players don't have the knowledge or desire to min-max, they're just going off of weapon feel and aesthetic.
2. Confirmation bias.

[tardy ingot]

they legit switch to the worst stuff tho

like why go from r5 burst to r6 auto and then r7 shotgun

[minor fractal]

It's basically a 50/50 on which weapons/tools they choose, and when they pick really bad options it stands out.

[cedar nymph]

New player here, what should I be looking to do as just starting off?

[ocean spindle]

not dying, thats about it
and, readin the objectives

[tardy ingot]

Observe things, try to learn patterns

[minor fractal]

Don't forget R6 Scatter players.

[tardy ingot]

use everything available to understand it (dont just run stuff like 4 sentries immediatly and never look at terminals)

[minor fractal]

Two-shotting the giant strikers

[tardy ingot]

nah. Killing 2 smalls with 1 mag

[minor fractal]

Trollge

[dry pumice]

Huh? 2 shots are not optimal?

[tardy ingot]

Scatter overkilled them massively early on. And even after nerf was a straight 1 shot

[dry pumice]

Scattergun is the coolest looking gun in the game that I just couldnt find use for

[icy cave]

Except the shotgun sentry. do not use it, do not touch it

[tardy ingot]

i mean using it to understand why its bad is a good idea @icy cave

but most players just stick with it until they tilt in a challenging level

[icy cave]

THEY SHOULD JUST TRUST US

[minor fractal]

PR is a slick thermal sniper, which people think is cool (same reason you'll get Sniper players that either can't aim for shit or dump loads of ammo on swarm enemies). Spear is has good range, which feels nice, and new players don't value sprint nearly as much as they should.

For sentries specifically, I think it's probably confirmation bias, but it might also be that you have good odds of having at least 1 good player in the lobby, and they'll pick a good sentry. So, when a newer player sees that, they think "I should take something we don't have," which will likely be one of the weaker sentries, especially since auto and shotgun are more easily perceived as "support" sentries.

[icy cave]

It's ok, I m calm

[ocean spindle]

never, im usin bullpup uh shotgun sentry and spear from now on, only those three

[icy cave]

From you. I expect no less 😅

[tardy ingot]

dont forget precision rifle

[minor fractal]

If you actually get close, it's a oneshot (128 damage, iirc, vs. 120 health).

Even if it doesn't kill, they should be at such low health that you can just quickly DPS with your Main.

[tardy ingot]

scatter pre nerf was a giant killer and boss killer. It was also good at insta killing bunched up smalls

Pre nerf it lost a bit of all of that but was still mom killer easy mode

[dry pumice]

but how do you use it against small though

[tardy ingot]

When they are bunched up in a choke

like on small doors that they just broke through

[icy cave]

A group closes in on you? BAm it's gone

[tardy ingot]

a scatter was a good way to get a main gun reload off and thin out a wave (when you had it for another reason in a level)

[minor fractal]

Usually you'd wait for a bunch of enemies to bunch up approaching you, then you'd walk to the side of them to get a nice multi-shot.

[tardy ingot]

iirc i ran some of my r6c2sec duos with sniper + scatter

[minor fractal]

Even post-nerf, it wouldn't kill that many of them but it was very good chip damage if they survived.

[dry pumice]

Hm

Should've tried combining it with normal pistol

Could make for an interesting combo

[tardy ingot]

i mean it was fine with any main but sawed off (and maybe bullpup)

[icy cave]

I really just did not like the scattergun 🤮

[minor fractal]

Scatter was nice tbh.

Sniper was better, though.

And I just in general don't like playing titan killers.

[icy cave]

R6 sniper was nice to bring yeah

[tardy ingot]

its hard to judge how good post nerf scatter actually was with giga op sniper in the game

[icy cave]

I don't think I even bothered bringing sniper once. since R7 release

[minor fractal]

It was still the optimal weapon for moms and BBCs, so it had a niche at least.

But it's not like you couldn't bring other weapons for them instead.

[tardy ingot]

ye

but i mean most enemys have multiple guns good vs them

well see how good it is once we get into (alt?) r6

then we can test it in alt r5 and 4

[minor fractal]

NGL, BC is probably going to take the cake in most situations just because it's so much more versatile that the other options.

Depending on if and how it gets rebalanced.

[tardy ingot]

i mean if they take away its abitlity to be burst cancelled then it becomes a more interesting competition

[minor fractal]

I mean even w/ that, though.

[craggy pier]

not even in d2?

[tardy ingot]

Oh yeah

I just mean with burst cancel it would need hefty nerfs

[minor fractal]

Has very good damage for giants, very good damage for moms, a fairly safe range for tanks, and you can even get some mileage out of a full burst on smalls with some practice.

[tardy ingot]

D2 sniper sucks lol

[minor fractal]

True.

[icy cave]

Nope

[cedar nymph]

Would y'all suggest using a controller or keyboard?

[minor fractal]

It's good on D2 tbh, just not necessary.

[icy cave]

Keyboard m8.

Not even close

[minor fractal]

And if you're in a PuG, Sniper is kind of rough since you might need to wave clear.

[tardy ingot]

iffy vs shadows. Bad vs chargers tho

[tardy ingot]

Keyboard

[minor fractal]

You'd mainly run it for Tanks.

[tardy ingot]

mmh yeh

i usually run mom side

and there shotgun is just better

[minor fractal]

True.

MG, tho.

[tardy ingot]

i feel like if you cant burst cancel the thing that you need 2 shots for giants and chargers is gonna be rough

like yes you can do the thing you do vs smalls

but quite often its gonna be wasting shots

[tardy ingot]

just take both

[minor fractal]

I mean, I've played it w/out knowing how to cancel on R4C3 Main+Overload, and tbh it's not bad.

Felt like I could get a lot of mileage out of it.

[tardy ingot]

thats also the level we used it the most

oh yeah i wont say that its gonna be bad

[minor fractal]

I legit picked it up after we got hardstuck on that stupid meme run.

[tardy ingot]

just think its gonna be not as good then as some people might think

[minor fractal]

Literally took 1 more attempt than R4E1 Secondary.

No ammo

[tardy ingot]

like. Whats its exact „strength“ then?

its technically not good vs smalls or chargers

[minor fractal]

Strength would just be that, compared to Scatter and Sniper, it's more versatile as a "kill big shit" weapon.

[tardy ingot]

The giant thing can be worked around with a main easily to be fair

[minor fractal]

It doesn't have the same blindspots that the other two have.

[tardy ingot]

i feel like the 3 might actually posses completely different nieches once they are in again

[minor fractal]

Maybe.

[tardy ingot]

Then again i didnt play burst cannon in a while

[minor fractal]

Admittedly, BC is generally worse at specific targets than Sniper and Scatter, it just has better overall coverage.

[dry pumice]

What's bc again

[tardy ingot]

Once im back at pc im gonna compare burst cannon to scatter/sniper

(Number wise and practicality)
Actually interesting

r4 special @dry pumice

well r3 and r4

[waxen jetty]

only gun to perfect solo a mom :)

[tardy ingot]

scatter be like LOL

[waxen jetty]

try host

[tardy ingot]

i mean you could still double tap + finish with 1 hel revo mag

[waxen jetty]

.

[tardy ingot]

yes?

i know client was how youd actually just 1/2 tap her

[waxen jetty]

3 but yes

[minor fractal]

Not that hard to get the DPS as host, you just have to aim it correctly and finish off w/ your Main or someone helping.

[tardy ingot]

ye

also yes you could easily 2 tap mom as client

[waxen jetty]

she has 40 hp after 2

[waxen jetty]

thats far from perfect

[minor fractal]

I can run a calc, but I'm pretty sure Scatter has the damage to two-shot on client.

[tardy ingot]

it depends on which scatter tbf

Pre nerf easily 2 shot

[waxen jetty]

yes

but thats far gone now

[tardy ingot]

But post nerf with lucky/correct aim you can 2 tap + main it

as host

as client it was just a dump twice then dump main

[waxen jetty]

gl with bottom tumors

[tardy ingot]

i love how talkative you are

As host

as client?

as client you dont care

as host yes? but same thing with burst when she has shitty leg tumors

[waxen jetty]

bc doesnt care who u are

always works

[minor fractal]

4.01 * 32 * 0.7333 * 5 = ~470.5

So you do need to deal an extra 60 damage, but that's not very hard to do.

[tardy ingot]

isnt that 2-3 hel revo bullets?

[waxen jetty]

yes

theres ur client math

[silver fable]

I was a scattergun enjoyer. R6 was a 3-4 special rundown though, and scattergun was like special number 5 on a good day.

So basically never got to use it again when focus shifted to duos

[tardy ingot]

Before nerf it easily top 3

[silver fable]

ya talking post nerf for sure

[tardy ingot]

and even post nerf it was an easier way to deal with moms imo

[minor fractal]

2 shots, yeah. 60 damage on mom is 12 precision damage from any weapon.

Which is p easy to achieve.

[silver fable]

lol, when I was a noob I offed 3 mommies that spawned together in the first room of the first mommy zone in d2 with scattergun

[quaint geyser]

wait is there only rundown 1 & 7 available. I beat all of 1 but still dont have 2 unlocked

[silver fable]

didn't even know there were 3 at first

it was very good at that job

[minor fractal]

R1 re-released a bit under a month ago.

R2 isn't re-released yet.

[quaint geyser]

ohhh got it, so for right now it's just 1 & 7

[minor fractal]

Yeah.

[waxen jetty]

bc host mom u dont even need to switch weapons

honestlu epic

[silver fable]

I still don't really understand people who were against scattergun on principle because it trivialized bigs or whatever

4 rounds of pump shotty also trivialize bigs, as far as combat difficulty is concerned

[waxen jetty]

gtfo giant is a scary enemy

(no)

[minor fractal]

Shotgun is a much lower TTK, and you spend half of a refill to do it.

[silver fable]

oh I know scattergun fights giants more efficiently

[minor fractal]

As opposed to killing 5-6 with a big shit killer.

[silver fable]

but like, so does sniper?

it's more you get some weird vets coming out of the woodwork saying, "giants shouldn't be one-click to kill, even though this gun is hard specialized towards that at the expense of other roles"

[minor fractal]

The problem was (1) it was trivializing bosses, not just big enemies, and (2) sniper was in a similar position at the time due to its absurd ammo.

[willow dragon]

Scattergun is more for like an error level and something is in your way, it a "get the fuck out of my way" weapon

[tardy ingot]

as host math wise burst cannon shouldnt kill mom unless you only need to kill 6 tumors?

[silver fable]

I'm also not defending pre-nerf scattergun, which was actually busted in performance

[waxen jetty]

u only need 16bc

to kill host mom

[minor fractal]

Not sure I remember these people tbh, I mostly just remember that Scatter had maybe a bit much ammo and deserved a nerf alongside Sniper.

[silver fable]

yeah, I might be arguing against strawmen

[waxen jetty]

client 14 bc

[silver fable]

I'd probably look to tone down scattergun's refill rounds, more-or-less in line with the sniper nerf, if I were making the balance decisions approaching alt r6

[tardy ingot]

3 (1) -> 2
1 (2) -> 3 (3) -> 1
2 (4) -> 3 (5)
3 (6) -> 2 (killed)

since host doesnt get overkill on tumors but 150 this shouldnt kill mom no? so it would need its whole mag to kill mom and that with insane spread control

Tho i might have wrong stats for burst cannon and or how mom works

[waxen jetty]

2 bc = 1 tumor

mom 8 tumor

[tardy ingot]

what was burst cannon prec amplifier?

[minor fractal]

20.1 * 20 * 0.734 * 5 = 1475.34

[waxen jetty]

0.74 or smth

[minor fractal]

0.734

It does two-shot tumors, so it should be a 16 shot kill doing a bit over 1k damage.

[waxen jetty]

^

[tardy ingot]

Ah fuck nvm

i had tumor health as 150

lol

[minor fractal]

73.767 damage per shot vs. 126 tumor HP

Ah

[craggy pier]

😂

[tardy ingot]

Still think its too practical to hit 3 tumors per burst lol

[waxen jetty]

idk i do it 100% of the time

[tardy ingot]

i mean you could technically just hit 2

but then its full mag either way

[waxen jetty]

just takes lots of practice

[craggy pier]

duo r4d1ex very cool

[minor fractal]

BC is p slow, though, compared to Scatter.

Scatter's just boom boom, then either reload or primary.

[waxen jetty]

reload bad

[minor fractal]

BC you can do it in one mag but it takes 4 bursts, or 3 + some help.

Also, both weapons are bad baby killers.

[waxen jetty]

bc u can kill sleeping mom before 10 babies as host

client u can before 4 babies

[craggy pier]

because we don't have main weapons, basic wait for mom scream before killing her or let her bang door then open and kill her

also 4p

also cfoam nades

[minor fractal]

Okay, but in 4p and w/ c-foam scatter is probably faster.

[craggy pier]

in 4p, she dies in 3s normally anyways

[waxen jetty]

1s*

[craggy pier]

true

[tardy ingot]

you guys have never seen an average party lol (not new guys nor vets)
they may kill mom

but god do they take their time

[minor fractal]

Still why I prefer playing baby killers to mom killers.

(or just play Shotgun and do both).

[weary mesa]

Current hammer against mom why even waste ammo

[craggy pier]

because i'm wasting stamina

[weary mesa]

You are

Damn i barely get affected by it

[craggy pier]

yea we should worry about armour multi with pellet weapons instead

[minor fractal]

Weapons with armor pen when?

They wouldn't be good, but...

[craggy pier]

i love shooting tank tumor through tank front

[dry pumice]

Considering that jerries are a thing now - honestly would be a welcome addition.

[craggy pier]

what the fuck is a jerry

[weary mesa]

The pouncer

[craggy pier]

but how will pellet based weapons interact with armoured enemies

[dry pumice]

It pops the tumor then the rest hit the armor

Shotguns are not very good at dealing overkill damage right now

[craggy pier]

he still believes that

[dry pumice]

What, was it fixed?

[craggy pier]

he doesn't know

[dry pumice]

Nope, don't see it in the patch notes. You will have to educate me on this one.

[craggy pier]

you should keep believing that the pellets hit armour

it's funnier that way

[dry pumice]

Affirmative

[soft crater]

Pellet boog?

[wind elk]

when is this rundown gonna close/end? my friend group and I are making our way down but we dont know when it started or when its gonna end

just picked the game back up and we're loving it

[craggy pier]

the rundown concept has been thrown out the window

[willow dragon]

AltR1 started October 20th. Rundowns are no longer being removed. The current ones are R1 and R7, R2-6 will be added in the future

[craggy pier]

all rundowns will stay and old rundowns will return

[wind elk]

aha

so the rundown 7 will forever be there from here on out correct?

[willow dragon]

Yes

[wind elk]

<-- is a smooth brian

thanks

[willow dragon]

Don't worry, the changes happened all of the sudden

[wind elk]

my buddy tells me that 'the warden' tells us how many players finished the rundown, and with it being there fully will there be no more message?

i was hoping to clear it with them and be one of the few but i was always doubtful that folks couldnt clear the rundowns

[willow dragon]

I'm pretty sure 10c stopped with showing the completion percentages of each level

[wind elk]

dang

when did the changes happen btw, i think we picked it back up maybe 3 weeks ago

finished rundown 1 and then just completed r7c1 last night

[willow dragon]

Early October they just told us out of the blue that old rundowns were returning and nothing is going to be deleted

[icy cave]

They don't delete rundowns anymore

[willow dragon]

Then they said AltR1 was coming out in a few weeks, only to release it less than a week after the post

[wind elk]

man i was sorta feeling a bit of FOMO (good kind tho) of having to beat the rundown before it closes

[ornate siren]

109775242071593373

[wind elk]

is he ok

[willow dragon]

Yeah
Well at the very least, you'll be able to have that feeling of getting all 7 rundowns fully completed before R8 launches

71 levels once all rundowns are in

[wind elk]

true

is R8 a brand new set of rundowns correct? so itll be a minute till its out

[willow dragon]

Yes

[wind elk]

and I reckon they'll add altr2 in as well

at that time

[willow dragon]

No, they are adding R2-6 before R8

[wind elk]

fantastic

[willow dragon]

Once all 7 rundowns are in the game, then R8 will be released

[wind elk]

i aint gonna ask whats in it, the fun is finding out

[willow dragon]

But a minute? Try a year and a half at least

[wind elk]

yeah a hot minute

[willow dragon]

My rough estimate is summer 2024

[icy cave]

no one knows what's in R8 😅

[wind elk]

i was referring to R2

since I missed it

[willow dragon]

Yeah you'll find out

[wind elk]

well i did look at dev leaks and it seems to me theyre working on the next rundown already

i reckon it takes a lot of effort

code a new monster or something like that

well thanks for answering some questions i had!

see ya around

[willow dragon]

There's nothing new in R2, trust me

Everything that r2 had is in r7

Just some returning weapons

[tardy ingot]

yeah bs on that one

R7 doesnt have a sick reactor

R7 doesnt have a real fog level

R7 doesnt have a surge afair

R7 has no sleeping big R2E1 enemys

[weary mesa]

R2 no charger moment

[weary mesa]

R7 has every non flyer enemy sleeping sir

[tardy ingot]

ah true R7D2

tho id still stand by the point that they arent a major point of the levl

[wary linden]

I didnt see any sleeping scouts. Only sleeping charger scouts :p

[tardy ingot]

[wanton jolt]

hey guys, been playing with my friend and we've been noticing the two team AI run out of ammo really quickly with the weapons we have them use. What weapon loadout works best for the AI currently we have them both set to Sledgehammer, Bullpup, High Cal Pistol and Burst sentry.

[ocean spindle]

i personally give em bat, so they can stagger, or a kinfe sometimes tho i dont know how good they are with it
and the bullpup its ok, maybe somethin that recharges a bit faster
and the high cal, maybe somethin with more ammo, if u want power maybe a shotgun or a heavy assault rifle, or if u want to clear hordes, machineguns
again this is all about how i play so maybe ur searchin other things

[weary mesa]

Melees on bots don't matter they all do 16 damage flat

Full autos are usually good on them AR Machingun

HAR is fine

[ocean spindle]

oh well, can they run with spear tho i think they cant

or, maybe they dont run at all when usin meele

i gotta look into that

[fierce nebula]

literally nothing new coming to the game until R8

[weary mesa]

Cosmetics BATCHEST

[karmic bay]

I got a bit of a noob question

I can see under a completed mission [1,-,-,-]
what does this mean ?

are the "-" denoting maybe optional objectives? We completed R7B1 but didn't really see any option to do other stuff

[verbal zinc]

it stands for main, secondary, overload and prisoner efficiency. b1 only has main.

[karmic bay]

Thanks!
Are these secondary objectives hard to find ?

[gray sonnet]

Not really

they are marked with a unique door

so its hard to miss actually

[karmic bay]

is there maybe a guide on which tools / weapons are best to bring to each mission? I don't want the whole mission spoiled, but I also don't want to get mid-level only to realize we should have brought X instead of Y

[gray sonnet]

depends on the mission tbh

but mine-scan-c-foam or sniper turret-sniper turret

is good

c-foam depends on the mission and how many good doors are there to foam

but the rest work good all around

[karmic bay]

yeah it was a bit of a waste on B1

the c-foam

[gray sonnet]

ye

also keep in mind that secondary and overload are bonus obj

while prisoner ef. is doing both of these in a single game

so you dont get confused

[karmic bay]

oh good to know!

also... whats the difference between the turrets?

we dont really know which to choose

[gray sonnet]

how they function

sniper fires slow but accurate and heavy damage hits

shotgun works like a shotgun

(dont use it btw)

[median ridge]

Hey guys, so I see in the FAQ that they are working on restoring previous rundowns to the game; do you guys know if that is strictly in the form of the ALT rundowns, or as they originally were?

[gray sonnet]

and burst shoots bursts

as it says

[karmic bay]

so burst for little 'uns, sniper for big 'uns

[gray sonnet]

and the bioscaner makes turrets more accurate

so make sure you spam it

when a horde comes

[karmic bay]

really??? cool

we dont really take it ever

[gray sonnet]

its actually really good

also to ping scouts

[karmic bay]

we always chose 2 turrets, c foam and mines

[median ridge]

Bioscanner is by-far the most useful tool in the game imo

[gray sonnet]

yeah

[median ridge]

I would never run without it on the team

[gray sonnet]

you could say that but sniper is overall the best pick

burst is meh

and shotgun is just a bruh moment

in my experience at least

[karmic bay]

yeah the burst doesnt seem to really kill

just maybe stun

[gray sonnet]

yeah

as for weapons it also depends on the mission

[karmic bay]

so should we take cfoam, scanner, sniper turret, sniper turret ?
or cfoam, scanner, sniper turret, mines?

[gray sonnet]

yeah

[karmic bay]

yeah I was wandering if there was a list of recommendations for each mission

[median ridge]

Do you know the answer to this Straz?

[gray sonnet]

Only ALT versions

as far as im aware

[median ridge]

... That's cheeks, ngl

[gray sonnet]

it is what it is

gotta live with it ig

i started not long ago so yeah

[gray sonnet]

it largely depends on the enemies present

[median ridge]

Really dumb that I would like to have experienced the rundowns with the story elements and more interesting objectives (and checkpoints???) But I'm just sol

[gray sonnet]

if there are alot of giant/high hp enemies its good to bring high damage weapons like high caliber pistol/snipers

if enemies are invisible-PDW since it has a thermal scope

[median ridge]

I even tried playing earlier rundowns but my old PC couldn't run the game well-enough... Now I've got a better PC but I'm still fucked

[gray sonnet]

alot of hordes-high ammo crowd control

but its good to have each teammate to have some other guns

just in case

[gray sonnet]

sounds rough

[fierce nebula]

it'll be ALT rundowns

[median ridge]

That is really really... upsetting

I cannot possibly understand that decision

[fierce nebula]

well technically you can just run the game modded

[gray sonnet]

yeah

[fierce nebula]

to play old ones

[gray sonnet]

there are servers for modding

[median ridge]

Great to know. I will keep that in mind and look into it

[fierce nebula]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[median ridge]

Thanks for that, really took a weight off my heart 😌

[fierce nebula]

:D

[median ridge]

Still can't understand why they wouldn't be added back in an official capacity, but as long as there is this, I am happy

[icy cave]

The ALT is basically the same as OG for just small differences. they did not have checkpoints back then as well. (Thank god)

[median ridge]

Totally did at one point, I played 2 missions on Rundown 1 and we got checkpoints at certain Security Doors

[icy cave]

Bro checkpoints were introduced in rundown 6

R1 to R5 never had them

[median ridge]

Maybe it was 6 then idk

But I am certain that when I tried playing it originally and my PC was melting, we did get checkpoints

[icy cave]

That was 6

ALt are just the dame as OG except a little easier and with slight (very slight) lay-out change

And hybrids on C1 added

[median ridge]

I was almost certain it was 1.... maybe just cause I didn't know where to look

[icy cave]

I got recordings of OG R1 and of Alt R1 . so You can compare m8

There were never checkpoints

[median ridge]

I believe you, just was really convinced I was on R1

[distant ice]

R1 came out in 2019

And i wouldn't call the changes very slight

[icy cave]

I Did OG R1 one week before ALT came just so I could see the differences and have it fresh in mind

[median ridge]

Imma try to find what Rundown I was playing

[icy cave]

The changes are slight. It basically is R1 with R7 mechanics and weapons. Very slight lay out changes. Added lore. Hybrids on C1. Lighting changed to R7 style (it's brighter)

And I am glad they don't add checkpoints to ALT rundowns. (ALT R6 probably will have them tho) . Keep them clean

[median ridge]

Yeahhh it totally was R6... I don't know exactly why I thought it was 1, maybe cause I just assumed they were all entirely sequential...

[icy cave]

I think because R6 was the full release rundown. (version 1.0 of the game)

[median ridge]

Could be

[icy cave]

So don't worry about missing anything. You'll get them back going forward

ALT R6 gonna take a while tho

[median ridge]

When I played R6 B1 after we loaded a checkpoint I ended up glitched so that I couldn't drop the Matter Wave Projector. When I tried, one would drop but it was still in my hand. If someone else picked up that one, I lost mine, but once they dropped it it was back in my hand lol

[icy cave]

Yep that bug is still in the game

But not on Alt R1

[median ridge]

Ah, great to hear lol

[icy cave]

wonder why

😂

[median ridge]

Honestly just assumed it was my PC not having a good time

Because it wasn't

[icy cave]

No it's literally cause the game is not build for Checkpoints and they were forced In with R6. And now a year later all checkpoint bugs are still not fixed. Probably cause they can't be

[vital sierra]

if there was a repro then they could

literally none repro for that bug

[median ridge]

I see. No checkpoints just means my bro gotta stop throwing

[vital sierra]

all of the repro people give was inconsistence

[icy cave]

Fact is: Alt R1 is more stable than R7

[vital sierra]

it do be satisfying beating level without checkpoint

[icy cave]

Don't worry the whole of R1 is only 2.5 hours

[vital sierra]

it's not even the stable part

[icy cave]

There should be no problems

[median ridge]

Yeah we just did R1 B2 and all died at the Evac lol

[vital sierra]

that bug can only be fix by rework the entire checkpoint code, again

[median ridge]

But we weren't playing well up to that point cause homie was tired

[icy cave]

Great opportunity to limit them as well then

[vital sierra]

since rundown is not going to be removed, just take your time

[vital sierra]

that bug happen so random as well

i saw a guy not grabbing the heavy object get the bug, that guy has a lot of desync, so i thought desync issue

and then i saw a guy with 0 desync and get that bug even though they didn't TOUCH the heavy object

so i changed my mind as the bug isn't a desync related

people said pick up item and do checkpoint scan give you that bug, didn't happen to me and my friend

[icy cave]

I know it happens random. BUT it is only present in rundowns with checkpoints.

[median ridge]

Hey so since I'm here anyway, is it actually possible to stealth-kill Scouts? or are my buddy and I not actually trash?

[vital sierra]

yes

full hammer/spear to head

knife and bat need to be back of the head, at the back

[median ridge]

thought so, we are just trash

[fierce nebula]

also with a jump

to not have some hit box fuckery

[tardy ingot]

Hey, does anyone know if the HSU in R1B2 can spawn in anything but room C for each of the zones?
Or rather, did anyone have it spawn somewhere else?

[craggy pier]

i had one spawn in room B

zone 20 iirc

[bold ginkgo]

Is there any reason I should use a Revolver over the High Cal?

[minor fractal]

Way more ammo, higher RoF, much faster reload (especially when cancelled).

In general, Revo is one of the strongest weapons rn while HCP is just okay.

HCP is very easy to play, though.

Revo can be very aim intensive, and Shotgun is a slightly riskier weapon.

[tardy ingot]

hmm
you probably dont have a video of that do you : ( ?

im resetting like 100 times now and didnt see a single non C spawn

[craggy pier]

sadly no

[craggy pier]

how many seeds are there

[tardy ingot]

idk

i have gotten all 4 different C hsus a lot

i know that theres i 3 B HSUs for 21 and 2 B for 20 + 1 A for 20
But they dont seem to actually spawn

their spawn weight also seems to be 0

[craggy pier]

🤔

[minor fractal]

Did the R7 revo changes just affect hip-fire, or is the spread recover generally better?

[devout cargo]

can anyone explain how to use the c-foam launcher on the mother?

[trim rock]

@devout cargo See your stream chat

[craggy pier]

you can only using cfoam grenade or cfoam tripmine

[woeful jay]

Despite using Revolver a lot in R7, I'm not too sure compared to how it was before

[winged turtle]

really? dang full chafe c-foam launcher doesn't do it?

[icy cave]

No, sorry yes it does but you need to hit everything

You can c foam launch a mother tho

[weary mesa]

Used to in R3

[craggy pier]

its lot of cfoam and refills to just catch a mommy

also time consumin

he said you can "only" lol

being cautious

i love misinformation

i dont want anyone running around trying to cfoam a mom with launcher

mom cfoam tolerence 50
1 blob of cfoam is 3

to foam regular mom, you need 17/18 blobs, if you're desperate you can and it's sometimes not a bad idea

such as r3b2

is it really worth the trouble?

no

i think it's a good alternative if you don't have a nade on some levels

you got to be very desperate to do it

such as r3b2 x2

[past mesa]

It can be for some fucked rooms especially when other options aren’t really possible

[craggy pier]

also sometimes i will do it if there's mom on room c in r7e1 when i solo code

because i can just kill her solo with choke mod

wouldnt it be better to cfoam the babies then just kill mother asap?

what

so you want opt for the worse option

[past mesa]

This is from stealth

[craggy pier]

sure

just get good and avoid the mother why kill

yea bro don't kill mom in r3b2

[past mesa]

It sometimes is required fucked rooms be fucked

[past mesa]

Just kite it tbh

[craggy pier]

having mom in room c with someone being able to spawn cancel and when you do the runback

true, just like how people say r2-5 was balanced around kiting!

[past mesa]

Exactly

[icy cave]

offer it money

[winged turtle]

honestly if someone was nice enough to take me out flying kites, i wouldn't birth 10-20 baby strikers on them. this sounds like a solid strat

[craggy pier]

👀

[icy cave]

Whatever you do m8 you will have a hard time giving birth

[finite fern]

@icy cave let's move here to respect the channel

is there a way to ear more cosmetic btw ?

[icy cave]

Yes R7 will give you some

[finite fern]

so it's only one by completed mission

i see

[icy cave]

Sadly

[finite fern]

i see

[icy cave]

Before Alt R1 you would get some specifically for secondaries and overloads but from what I heard it's gone

Cause too hard to change the code ...... or something.

[finite fern]

fuck

[finite fern]

well i had my fair share of angry rant earlier today so i'm no't gonna even bother

i will wait for r2

[icy cave]

Yep that's the next drop moment for the rest of us as well

Wrong message 🤦‍♂️

Oh well you get the gist

[finite fern]

but , is there more cosmetic than actual way to have them or nah ? since my buddies and i seem to have random reward each time , by the end of r7 will we have all the same ones ?

[icy cave]

No loot Pool is way bigger than what you get

[winged turtle]

move to New Mexico, work in the complex, get Nam-v, get parasite, don't get killed by the protagonists. sounds pretty ez to me

[icy cave]

So you won't have all same drips

[finite fern]

a hard truth for a completionist like me

i wanna have everything

[icy cave]

Pretty sure mothers are infected women

[finite fern]

whyyyyyyyyyyy

[icy cave]

Meaby when R8 is out? we can have everything. But your guess is as good as mine

[icy cave]

I have been getting drops for 3 rundowns and I still have not the flower backpack 😭 (granted it was added in R7)

[finite fern]

lol that the 1st cosmetic i got

looks so good

[icy cave]

FFS !!!!!

[finite fern]

but i just want pant's

because has of now i receive 2 identical helmet only one mark 1 and the other no , and same for torso

[icy cave]

Well guess I just need to cross fingers when Alt R2 comes out

[icy cave]

Rip

[icy cave]

Or are we not allowed to assume this kind of stuff anymore???🤔🤔🤔

[winged turtle]

hmmmmm okay instead, time travel, die, reincarnate...

[icy cave]

Ok I'll allow that

[winged turtle]

thats a developer decision, you are in the clear lol

[craggy pier]

Thats a legitimate concern 😬

[icy cave]

BTW @finite fern When you make it to B3 overload. I'll be curious to know what you think about that zone. Cause imo that is one of the cooler zones there are. Lots of environmental storytelling 👍

[icy cave]

Yes on this discord I'm constantly wondering when I'll get banned

[craggy pier]

[icy cave]

Tomorrow 17.30

@median forge

[craggy pier]

Sir yes sir

[icy cave]

Finally done with B tier (for you guys)

[finite fern]

will keep in mind

[icy cave]

altho R2 C tier is not gon be too complicated

[craggy pier]

This calls for a celebration

[finite fern]

may i introduce myself into the conversation , are you making a custom map ? or am i too new to understand lol

[icy cave]

Rule 13 m8.

[craggy pier]

We can manage

I think

[icy cave]

😂 I think he says

We'll see

[craggy pier]

Im still learning

[finite fern]

[craggy pier]

🥺

[icy cave]

He got it

[finite fern]

i don't i think , but if what i understand is correct then i will not push the subject further

[icy cave]

Lets just say that waiting is not necessarily the only option

[craggy pier]

You got it champ

[finite fern]

ok so i guessed right

thx

[willow dragon]

R2 C tier was like the make or break back in the day. I remember a lotttt of people being stuck on either level. But now? I have a feeling that R2 is going to be another 1 session clear 😂

[icy cave]

Yes probably, I said we'll see cause my other 2 players have not yet played it

[willow dragon]

Have they played other levels or are they new new

[icy cave]

They have done R6, R7 OG R1, Alt R1

R2 up to B3

[willow dragon]

Dude you'll have like zero problems

They aren't that hard

[icy cave]

It should be a cakewalk.

R2D1 and D2 are more of my concern

[willow dragon]

R2D2 is gonna be fun to go though again

As is R2E1

[icy cave]

R2E1 def

But I think for the D and E Imma need a 4th

[willow dragon]

Just get good enough and solo all the levels

[icy cave]

Yeah nah 😅

[willow dragon]

If T-nepi can do it, you can do it too 😂

[icy cave]

I can help teams through levels, but I can certainly not solo shit

[willow dragon]

Yeah me neither

[icy cave]

5 hr R5E1 run les go !

[willow dragon]

I've duoed up to C tier before but I am no where near good enough to solo anything past B tier lmfao

[icy cave]

Man it is hard enough depending on the randoms you can get. I am not even thinking of Duo or solo

[willow dragon]

You gotta yourself some pals my guy. I only ever do LFG when they are all busy and I happen to be free and I'm itching to play

Otherwise I'll just run bots

I've beaten like half of R6 solo w/bots, and a few levels of R7 w/bots

[craggy pier]

all of r6 can be done with bots
r7 all except e1

[willow dragon]

All levels can be done without bots

[craggy pier]

although there was a glimmer of hope but things changed

[neon gust]

Breaking news: veterans who put an unholy amount of hours to learn the game discover that older rundowns are easy

On other news: we cannot catch lighting in a bottle again, we all dead on the inside

[willow dragon]

Update: It hurts

[craggy pier]

life is short make do with what you got

[willow dragon]

Life is short: make it shorter by playing gtfo

[lost flame]

🤝

[glad pike]

(nods intensely)

[neon gust]

Hopefuly r2b1 its class 9

It better be

[willow dragon]

Class X

[lost flame]

Already have that

[neon gust]

I woudlnt mind

[lost flame]

Now for class IX

[neon gust]

Round that up

[glad pike]

Class XI when?

[willow dragon]

Class L 💀

[glad pike]

That's still class 9

[lost flame]

Yes

That's what I ment

[willow dragon]

Class X but oops, all tanks and queen mothers

[glad pike]

Class X pablos only 😬

[willow dragon]

Make the room a maze so you cant get behind them

[glad pike]

Nah. Just make it a tight corridor

[willow dragon]

Fog to the ceiling, an unknown anomaly has disabled snipers and high calls

Sentries shoot at you instead of sleepers

[craggy pier]

PR 😏

[willow dragon]

Btw warden forgot to Mention, there's a 20 minute time limit and the only 4 use ammo pack in the entire level is in the middle of a room surrounded by 15 charger scouts

[glad pike]

Sentries get x10 damage aswell

[willow dragon]

H a v e f u n

[craggy pier]

never late to melee a tank i suppose

[icy cave]

Oh I did, with the regular team almost everything has been done except late R4 and R5

[glad pike]

mEleE tHe sNaTcHErs

[craggy pier]

its possible tho

[willow dragon]

In all seriousness, they have to make due on their promise and make the older rundowns harder

At least R2-3

Switch up enemy spawns

Better yet, just remove all resources

Jk

[lost flame]

Make it easier by making every enemy the regular striker and shooters

[craggy pier]

new guns being available doesnt help does it

[willow dragon]

Yeah the current arsenal is cracked

[glad pike]

What's the hardest enemy in your guys opinion?

[craggy pier]

being experienced with the game i'd say non

[tiny tundra]

very context dependent tbh

[willow dragon]

Yeah

[tiny tundra]

in some situations a mom sucks to encounter in others shes a piece of cake

[willow dragon]

Giant chargers combined with tanks is a nasty combo

But it's room dependant

[tiny tundra]

giant chargers are probably the most dangerous imo but there's still situations where theyre not hard to handle

[craggy pier]

i consider them dangerous when they swipe 7 meters away

[willow dragon]

Giant chargers probably are the most dangerous enemy in the game, especially in groups with little to no cover

[icy cave]

Pretty much, altho a surprise awake mother can be run ending for a lot of teams

Thing is it will only be a surprise once

[willow dragon]

Still, if you have cfoam it can be trivialized

[icy cave]

And yes . I feel R4-R5 are at a good spot.

[icy cave]

Foam nade yes, but foam launcher.....

[neon gust]

You guys are overanalizing it tbh

The difficulty scaling frok r1 to r5 its perfectly fine

From r6 to t8 are the ones you wanna tweak

[plain crescent]

my team (friends, including me) are all braindead, how beat first level

[neon gust]

Assuming rundowns are mini campaigns (like they always were) its just make sense

I rather jus thave the EA levels not tweak to be harder but to fix the issues many of them had (1 room away spawn that you can see, shitty errror alarms that are wayy to rng etc)

And thats what theyre doing

[icy cave]

I'm fine with the Alts not being tweaked difficulty wise.

[icy cave]

You point gun at enemy and you click

[finite fern]

any idea if the dev have plan to let us unlock all the cosmetic ? i want something to unlock by replaying missiong ect , not just a congrats message

[neon gust]

Shoot gun enemy die

[icy cave]

See no R8 yet. Point gun at mouth 😔

Altho when R8 released in CS:GO that was a huge mess. meaby it's better like this

[tardy ingot]

I mean most older rundowns will probably get made easier (better guns/tools/less rng on error spawns and co) and slightly harder (stamina/no occi 1 tap on strikers, no uber broken burst cannon (prob?))

[weary mesa]

Truly a shame we traded no charge occi for GIGA stagger

[tardy ingot]

At least we still have it for shooters

[neon gust]

Lemme fucking kill this mom with just hammer real quick

Can birth when you on the floor!

[silver fable]

How much better are the current guns actually? (Not a rhetorical question, I started in R5 so I don't know)

[inland flame]

what does 'supply efficiency' apply to?

[vital sierra]

ammo and tool

[inland flame]

does it affect only me regardless of who uses it, or only when I use it?

[vital sierra]

they are a lot tbh so read patch note

[vital sierra]

if you have the ammo/tool pack, you will give more ammo/tool

but only the person have that booster can do that

[silver fable]

I expect the mains are a lot more pushed since the early days, since I've watched them mostly get buffed (and in the case of something like carbine, way overbuffed) since R5.

But the specials seem to have peaked with the likes of burst cannon, R5 hel rifle/hel gun, and R6 sniper/hel gun.

R7's token overtuned weapon is the veruta, and from what I've heard, overtuned machine guns wouldn't've been out of place at times in earlier rundowns

[vital sierra]

most of the special isn't that weak, except combat shotgun i guess?

[silver fable]

I'm not saying they're weak, just not remarkably strong

[vital sierra]

i think that was the point, for most gun that's not "rundown specific"

[silver fable]

The point I keep hearing is "the guns are stronger now"

[vital sierra]

yes

[silver fable]

but if I had to pick three mainstay specials in the current build of the game, it'd probably be veruta, pump shotty, and choke shotty

and the shotguns aren't that strong

and veruta is tame by "overtuned special" standards

[vital sierra]

you know what

[silver fable]

like yeah I want a nerf for it

[vital sierra]

back then we don't have weapon stats like now

we only use the FF damage stat but that's only for people that's really into stat

[silver fable]

my understanding is that earlier balances of pump shotty were actually better

[inland flame]

is this game purely p2p or is it hosted on one of the player's machines?

[vital sierra]

p2p

[silver fable]

9 rounds per clip, no pellets lost on limb break, no sway bug

I've also heard peope talking about strong machine guns in earlier rundowns, so idk

[vital sierra]

#patch-notes message

[vital sierra]

the slow one

but we have head bug

so we can do headshot without a head

[eager sun]

So, 3 hours in to a solo run of R7D1.. I find out its impossible to solo

big sad

[vital sierra]

it's impossible to solo any lower level without capping enemy

[fierce nebula]

technically any level can be done solo

[minor fractal]

Hard to say, but the main difference is that we've gone from a handful of power picks to almost every weapon being quite potent.

CS was consistently good R1-R3, R1 MG and R2 MG were both quite strong in their respective primes, and pump shotgun was at its peak in R2.

Most of the power creep has been in ammo or damage.

MGs are the worst offenders, getting huge DPS ups on top of their enormous ammo pools.

[craggy pier]

revolver nerfed 😔

shotgun nerfed 😔

r1 mg 😔

r4/5 dmr 😔

r4 hel rev 😔

[icy cave]

Well when you solo a game not meant to solo. you might get those kind of surprises

[craggy pier]

r2 mg 😔

r1-2 shotgun sentry 😔

r2 burst rifle 😔

then again r2mg is weird because it excels when efficiency doesn't matter and alarm spawns are super close (why i loved using it in r2e1)

there's not really that many situations in r7 so the buff is pretty pointless

[craggy pier]

technically possible, just extremely rng dependent

[silver fable]

I can kinda get on-board with this, but it... doesn't seem to support the "guns these days are powercrept to death" narrative?

[silver fable]

This, for sure

But all the worst offenders feel like they're kinda vying for the same role in the team, i.e. waveclear

And they're not the kinds of nutty specials we've seen throughout R5 and R6

Pump shotty is unique in its role, and (ignoring the bugs) it's perfect

Choke is kinda on an island too, and the closest I get to thinking it may be overtuned is when looking at its efficiency into tanks

[fierce nebula]

"guns are overpowered nowadays"
the Scattergun:

https://tenor.com/view/rich-happy-suit-gif-25640167

[silver fable]

lol, scattergun was fine

(post-nerf)

You'd tune its ammo down in light of the sniper ammo nerf, though

[tardy ingot]

pre nerf scattergun 💀

[tardy ingot]

i dont even think that you have to do that too much

if they have the same efficiency then scatter gun still trades the range and safe 1 shot on head vs having to go melee, smaller mag size and being more useful vs mom

scatter also is a lot worse vs chickens and hybrids than sniper since the dmg nerf

i actually think the current d2 being a perma wave rly makes it feel bad that giant shadows and chargers mostly show up there

since you dont rly want a gun that only kills them well. Just take a machine gun or smth and keep spamming with limitless ammo

[silver fable]

Yeah a slight adjustment to scattergun ammo is about all I'd do

Giving both scattergun and sniper 4 rounds per refill seems about right to me

[tardy ingot]

ye

man i wish they reverted HAR

Dunno why they made it a shitty machine gun

Considering we have 2 now

give us back r6 HAR spread/recoil

[craggy pier]

just get lucky with the 2 terminals out of 10

you have 4 chances anyways

[fierce nebula]

yeah pretty much

[eager sun]

wdym? I couldnt get from the terminal back to neonatal in 10 seconds even if I ignored the enemies

[icy cave]

thats why its rng

and obviously the level is not meant to solo. some have done it cause they had the patience

[craggy pier]

it's within the realm of possibility that you get 2 terminals close enough to eachother

[minor fractal]

?

Revo has been buffed a bunch since R1 tbh.

[craggy pier]

i mean r1-4 vs r5-r7

20 per refill vs 18.xx current

r4 revo was peak

then r6-7 recoil is just ass

[minor fractal]

I mean, it's getting 18 per refill in exchange for very potent chip damage.

Also, the recoil is just visual, and its hip-fire was buffed in R7.

It's literally just the same weapon or better.

[craggy pier]

i ads a lot

hipfire doesn't matter that much because i only hipfire for first shot perfect accuracy

[waxen jetty]

i love when a gun kicks upwards and covers the enemies

[craggy pier]

man r6 recoil is just so ass

[minor fractal]

Literally just a skill issue.

also, you can just recoil cancel by switching in and out of ADS.

[waxen jetty]

thats even worse

[craggy pier]

quick adsing feels like ass in this game

i only do it in kf1

[minor fractal]

Dunno what to tell you.

You can spam shots out pretty easily in current version.

[waxen jetty]

yes but practicality is a lot worse than just lining them up to headshot level in r4r5

[craggy pier]

i mean i shot r4e1 reactor wave 1-6 with revo and we still had 20 uses ammo left

but sure it's a skill issue

[weary mesa]

sounds like one

[craggy pier]

yea just like pellet weapons hitting armour multi

[weary mesa]

revo really aint that bad

[waxen jetty]

no1 said its bad

just recoil is so ass

[craggy pier]

did i say it's bad?

[weary mesa]

complaining like it is

[craggy pier]

i think reading comprehension is too difficult for some people

[weary mesa]

this is true

[minor fractal]

W8, wtf is actually the difference besides mild visuals?

R5, gun kicks up and returns to resting position. R7, gun kicks up and returns to resting position.

???

[waxen jetty]

r7 kicks up and blocks 1/4th of the screen

[craggy pier]

guess i'll do another comparsion just like pr vs revo reload

[minor fractal]

Objective permanence is hard for some people, I guess.

[waxen jetty]

its not object permanence

but you lose headshots hit

compared to r4r5

[minor fractal]

I am, though.

This seems like such fucking minor change.

[waxen jetty]

makes the gun more unpleasant

[craggy pier]

you're saying as if i don't ever use revo since r6/7, but i literally main the gun on most levels except r7c3/d2

[minor fractal]

Ok

[craggy pier]

r7e1 too if i'm cfoam or bio

revo in e1 pretty epic for wave 2 and 3

unepic for wave 4

[minor fractal]

It just kind of sounds a lot to me like you're attached to the weapon feel, and that there's not actually much if any practical change.

[craggy pier]

idk i'm pretty sure pre r6 revo recoil resets faster

[willow dragon]

The recoil doesn't matter, just learn to aim

I barely use it but when I do I consistently get headshots in quick succession

[weary mesa]

oh no

[craggy pier]

i mean i solo held r4c1ex 12 code uplink with revo

but yea i need to learn to aim

also did a few r6 solos with revo

but yea i need to learn to aim

[waxen jetty]

enemies shoving each other while your gun is blocking the entire funnel

aim better i guess

[craggy pier]

also did r6d3pe with a few lads sawn off revo only

but yea i need to learn to aim

just take it and move on

serves you nothing to rub it in others faces

yep you should also do r3b2 without killing mom

you should just get good and go pass her

[minor fractal]

Ok

[craggy pier]

cool beans

wdym

just get good and avoid the mother why kill

i said cool beans

it's not like there's a class 4 you need to do

you're just being inconsiderate

and for what?

a minor game issue

if its an issue

you're just being inconsiderate

and for what?

cool beans

[neon gust]

@craggy pier 🤡🤡

I feel like this is someone i know

He talks in such a peculiar way

🤔🤔🤔

Something something ager

Uuhhh..

[craggy pier]

i think they're just mad

[minor fractal]

Bro, you appear to be malding.

[craggy pier]

think he lost his mind

i'm in an e1 run so i needed something to pass time while waiting

this is good entertainment for me

you're welcome

you're not part of it

you're welcome then

[neon gust]

Badger badger is that you

Say pepe.if its you

[waxen jetty]

do u guys think they will add stamina for sleepers in rundown 8

[craggy pier]

would it be fair for the sleepers?

[waxen jetty]

yes

i dont like when baby run 3x faster than player full sprint

[willow dragon]

Then kill them

Also I sense some mald from earlier, nice

[icy cave]

its Badger Alt nr 69

[craggy pier]

who?

[craggy pier]

damn we won

but it's pretty slow

[neon gust]

Theres a spy amongus

[jaunty meadow]

Will they bring back the commando apparel? I missed that event, pretty bummed about it

[icy cave]

Probably not.

[icy cave]

He is everywhere

[jaunty meadow]

I will have to live with a gym shorts existence

[slender cobalt]

I was told gtfo will be "complete" after rundown 8 and will stop there. I don't believe this but if it's true can someone confirm or debunk?

[minor fractal]

I believe it's confirmed that the story will be complete.

Calle has been iffy on whether or not the game will continue to be supported after that, but with the direction they're taking things and Calle talking about how the game can't be supported forever, the writing is very much on the wall for GTFO.

[slender cobalt]

Nooooo. Thank you for clarifying tho. Appreciated

[willow dragon]

Plus they are actively developing their next game, which further increases the likelihood that R8 will be the conclusion to the story

As far as support after R8, most likely just cosmetic events

[sage belfry]

now the big question left is how are they gonna handle "post-completion of the story" content.

[neon gust]

GTFO SEASON PASS 2 FOR 40 DOLLARS A NEW SET OF RUNDOWNS DEVELOPED ACTIVELY WITH NEW IMPROVEMENTS (bare minimun) TO GAMEPLAY, NEW COSMETICS INCLUDED AND IF YOU PRE ORDER A NEW HELMET (Reuse helmet that we already had but with different texture) WOW

[vital sierra]

or they could just stop making it

[sage belfry]

Just wanna know.

[silver fable]

As of today, players can experience ALT://Rundown 1.0 Deviation and Rundown 7.0 Rise permanently – with Rundown 2.0 to 6.0 being released one-by-one leading up to the release of Rundown 8.0 that will encapsulate the complete GTFO storyline.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dfO4cgOWg_eQAx27GHL9Dprhh9MzRudJ

[silver fable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/x3a3ed/comment/imujapv/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
This mediaspeak from Calle on this whole situation really put me off.

"We already said that we're bringing the story to an end, we couldn't possibly be more clear than that. What don't you understand?"

[silver fable]

This is basically what we were trying to suss out. Hard to tell through the gaslighting, but it seems "end of story" is a euphemism for "end of expedition content".

[rigid sinew]

they are mutual concepts in some sense

if story ends, expeditions end

if I wanted expeditions without much sense I would just play a modded rundown

[distant ice]

Not that expeditions often made much sense

For a game like this story ending definitely shouldn't imply that the game's ending because the story has 0 impact on gameplay apart from being annoying

Man how would i have ever played R1 in 2019 without all that amazing story content it had

And in the past they talked about other subplots or whatever that rundowns could follow

[fickle mulch]

it sounds like they're planning on it being both the final rundown and the story ending

like fnslvr said, there's a ton of mediaspeak going on

several times, calle has heavily implied that r8 is the final rundown

but hey, there could be an r9, r10, etc

wouldnt be the first time 10cc changes their mind

[distant ice]

I'm not saying i expect more rundowns

I'm saying the way they say it is stupid and they're calling us stupid for it

And the reason for rundowns ending being that story ended is bs

Community knows all the crap devs have said better than the community manager

[swift patrol]

I already figured out a sniper shot cant kill 2 scouts with a double headshot, however, can I double tap them without the other triggering?

[merry crystal]

I think they have a very small window between both being shot without them calling reinforcements. If you back out the room the scout is in, and I mean as far back is possible, you should be able to snipe one without triggering the other. It seems the sound doesn't trigger them when you are far away. I haven't really tried testing this with two scouts close together and sometimes its not always possible to be far enough away from them due to bad angles

[swift patrol]

Ahhhhhhhh I see, it's the sound that triggers them, not the ally getting shot. Also I'm pretty sad that a double headshot doesn't work. I got a good clip of me landing one, but sadly it didn't pierce both heads. Would be an awesome reward.

[tardy ingot]

theres weapons with pierce. They have a „hel“ before their base name

see hel revolver
Hel shotgun

there also were a hel gun and hel rifle

[merry crystal]

I use to do sniping with scouts because at first it was easiest and felt less threatening, but I find that just creeping up to them, using objects to block their tentacles from touching me. Once I'm close enough I just hit them in the head with either the sledge for a one tap kill.

[tardy ingot]

hel rifle could kill 5 scouts if lines up

[tardy ingot]

charge and sprint like a mad man

[merry crystal]

hahaha, everything you said but the sprint lol

[swift patrol]

wait the rifles can one shot the scouts?

[tardy ingot]

there was a „hel rifle“ that could

Theres multiple guns that can kill a scout

[merry crystal]

precision rifle, choke mod shotgun, and hel rifles I think do

possibly the heavy pistol

[tardy ingot]

Normal shotgun aswell (obviously closer)

Combat if to the back of the head

high cal can do it yes

[merry crystal]

ive killed scouts with choke mod right to the front of their face lol

it doesn't have to be the back

[tardy ingot]

I just type choke instead of combat

[merry crystal]

ah

[tardy ingot]

since combat wasnt a thing for a while

but yeah lots of guns can kill scouts

[merry crystal]

you could always try slapping the scouts wrist and giving them a firm, "NO"

[tardy ingot]

You can also do the funny and just hug the scout

If you hug it it wont hurt you (until it will)

[swift patrol]

Can you melee a scout in the same room as another scout and will it trigger?

[wanton blade]

You can and no it won't depending on distance and if they are doing their thing

[swift patrol]

wait, their thing being the tentacles?

[wanton blade]

Yes.

[swift patrol]

So dont make noise when it does the thing

ok got it

[wanton blade]

Pretty much. If the scouts aren't hugging each other and you melee one, they won't trigger.

[nimble arrow]

You can melee a skout? Lol

How

[wanton blade]

You charge up a sledge hammer or spear, and then hit them in the head

[nimble arrow]

I was trying it multiple times

[swift patrol]

Also, just to make sure: If it doing the thing I no no shoot it, right? Because then it always triggers

[wanton blade]

Hammer is better since you can get that running start up.

[swift patrol]

I love spears, the range is too forgiving

[wanton blade]

If you shoot it in the head with a high enough damage weapon while their "activated", it will kill them.

Precision rifle, sniper, and heavy pistol are good for it.

[swift patrol]

ohhhhhhhhh okey okey I see

I thought its a no touchy kinda thing

[wanton blade]

For the most part it is, but if you shoot in a room with a scout, it'll also do the alarm.

[nimble arrow]

I was always dealing with scouts with thermal sniper rifle

But melee

One fully charged hammer is enough?

[wanton blade]

Yes, as long as it hits the head.

You have to hit the head.

[nimble arrow]

Lol

[swift patrol]

Another thing, if there are 2 scouts in the room and I kill 1. Does it only trigger 1 wave? Or does it not matter how many scouts there are in a room, the wave will always be the same?

[tardy ingot]

ok
Scouts only scream if you:

1. dont insta kill them
2. touch them
3. shoot close enough
4. a sleeper screams in their room
5. something is killed close enough to them (doesnt matter when)
6. something wakes up SUUUPER close to them
7. you touch the tentacles (this take 1.5 seconds tho)

each scout scream summons 1 wave

if 1 dies it doesnt scream

[tiny tundra]

Scouts are a lot more lenient than they seem, fully charged hammer or spear in the head anywhere or fully charged bat or knife in the back of the head.

[nimble arrow]

Can they detect you running while they are walking?

[wanton blade]

If you kill one, and there's 2 in the room - only the one you didn't kill is triggered.

[tiny tundra]

Yes, theyll stop and extend

[tardy ingot]

Running sets them of into tentacles

[tiny tundra]

Smth to note is touching the tentacles isnt an instant game over, you can walk through them and have a decent bit of leeway before they scream

[tardy ingot]

you can kill a scout always, UNLESS it just started a scream/screamed

[nimble arrow]

So how when you get close to them for melee hit

[tiny tundra]

Just walk up to them