#gtfo-chat
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basically you rely on bio to know where enemies are and cant play well without it
...
When stealthing usually
Nah like just sleeping enemies
????
But also like you know the ping on woken enemies?
ye
Some find it hard to shoot them without it
HOW?????
…
you just shoot at moving object
Idk how I’m a bit worse with it icl
its not that hard
Ig I got skull issue
But also I think it’s cuz monitors can affect it
And like how dim the game is
I beat r1 solo with bots without bio tracker lol
Literaly how😭 🙏
I see red ping I shoot red ping
Like the bright red is easy to see
Crutching hard
Lol
I see why people think this game is hard and not just anoyingly long now wtf
Icl it’s quite free
R2D1😭🙏
E1 I did with people
I hate that mission
How tf did you beat r1c1😭 🙏
Same
🤢
It’s just shooting? Playing it with bots isn’t that bad, specially with four sentries
All with different strategies
Bro wat
You don't understand
How does one spend that much time
R1c1 isn't hard, it's just 30 min long💀
Bruh
Bots tried to res me with 20 guys on them💀
this is when I was still new
Fairs ig
And thought I was awesome just for beating r1d1
If u was new wasn’t surprising
Was that without bio?
The worst part of r1c1 is walking all the way back to the reactor, everything else is fine
Now I look back and realize the many mistakes I made
Cuh never thought once to use it
Bio on bots with 3 sentrys🙏
Tbh if your useing bio to stealth all the time you ate actualy throwing, just use glowsticks
Which is why it’s a crutch
And no to the glowsticks part
Actually worst consumable by far
Tbh I hate using the bio tracker if someone on my team uses it I'm fine
Worse than shotgun sentry
But I just hate using bio myself
Keep yourself safe
Glowsticks are so good for fog rooms tho
bio on stealth is a great tool
Me with my multiple glow stick boosters that I need to use be like
knowing where stuff is in advance quicker allows u to know when u can just rush kill or when u need to take a bit of time
Based glowstic lover
also traversing stealthy is FAAAAAAAR faster
Yea but like needing it
Name a worse? Maybe the health syringe?
Tbh we should just flip the light switch and distract all the zombies🤷♂️
I find most of the syringes useless
i mean... depends on what "needing" means here... cause yea every level can be done without bio
They are blind
I swear there’s only two
Yellow and red
But they don't like light tho
I mean like crouching like crazy without it
There are syringes?
Later rundowns
😭 🙏
Yea yellow can be useful for clearing high hp stuff
Fun fact about me I beat the entirety of r8 before beating r3 r4 R5 r6 r7
But I had my ass carried by my team
Was about to ask but didn’t wanna sound rude lol
That was back when I only had like 50 hours
Bro
So of course I got carried
Fuck did you skip to R8 for?
Random matchmaking go brrrrr
😭🙏
Thank god I'm actually decent at shooting
What do you mean you aren't playing the game in order!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!??
...

I'm sowwy
50 hours straight into R8 is crazy tho
I muted the story tho so I won't get spoiled when my friends play with me
Shoot his balls
I did
Did he shoot his balls at u?
But Istg I put 5 mags into it
Mags of what?
Hel autopistol
Sawed off
Bruh
I had to grab more ammo midway
I think that’s ur problem lol
What's it's dmg?
Using a weapon made for kissing range
1.5
Use hel for tumors
Use hel rifle
And auto for like
God damn
Balls
I ran out of rifle ammo
I went from 100 percent to zero
In like 20+ shots
My team was also dead
I was trying to get to them while shooting
"nah, id win"
Frfr
Idk why they decided to split up
😭🙏
You guys loose games?🎣
It was such a bad day for me
Yea

Kraken has been killed with melee before
You fight the fucking kraken?
And that was my 10th r8e2 attempt summarized
Was ur first run the first time you played this game?
Huh?
(They had 50 hours and started running R8 that’s the joke)
@urban trail
Mb team
At least you got the knowledge for future runs now
It basically was
Lol
My favorite time was running up to a tank and scattergunning it 2 times
To the tumors right?
Right In the bubbles too
Ye
🙏
I'm not that dumb
I used to watch a lot of GTFO gameplay
Markeplier played it
And so did astralspiff
Who and who?
||I recommend not taking much of the strat/commentary in Spiff early videos as guides or tips||
It's just I usually play it in the background
So I only hear audio
As I watch them during hw
That’s what I do lol
Ye I figured that out pretty soon
Especially when I saw Noah use sniper
And not hel rifle
😭🙏
Yea.
Bullpup and sniper best combo
Ngl I like hel autopistol and hel rifle combo more
One mid to short range one long range
The bat is the best weapon wdym🎣
Supporting that doesn’t use bio 😔
I USE C FOAM
Say it’s actual name
...
C*m foam?
C*mmies
Yes
We have astralspiff brainrot
Actually
When I play GTFO all I can think of is his terms
It's construction foam
Which kinda exists in real life
This is why gtfo 2 will never come out
Feelers
Someone hasn’t seen early c*m
What
No people call them scouts
It used to be white
and feelers
🤨
Nah both are used
Really?
Yes
Bigs/giants too
To both you
I saw someone call them phealers
Look at what hapend to scout tf2😭 🙏
Mods, doxx that mans location
Lowtiregod.gif
big scout
Chat what’s yalls most overrated sweet type (like gummy, chocolate etc)?
Chocolate
Too sweet for me now
Mods, twist his
I summon testicular torsion on you
gummy bears specifically
Gum, shit is garbage
Finally someone brought chocolate to overrated tier
Unironically just dries ur mouth out to much
Doesn’t taste great
I used to love it but now it's just too sweet
🤨 thats not chocolate my guy wtf
I’ve always been iffy on it
chocolate cookies from dominos 🔥
Yes. Marabou sucks as does every other chocolate brand
Thing is I like chocolate chip cookies
My man
😭🙏
🤝
I just don’t like other chocolate things
Chocolate isn't supost to dry your mouth bro
Some do
What kind of fucking chocolate do you eat?
Mb im in the EU and we eat healthier chocolate
Uh huh
I forgor your country has restrictions
Just had chocolate which dried out my mouth
90% dark chocolate 🔥
Yea THATS not chocolate
True dark chocolate is L
Come over here and you won’t like it at all
I only have access to extra dark chocolate 😭
I don't even know how many sugar do they have
Probably a lot but not as much as I think
😆
That thing dries my mouth faster than the sun
Aren’t you NA?
There's 3 countries in NA
Yea
Very different from each other
I'm in NC 🙃
New Columbus
So we got tobacco
Anyways that’s Canada right?
Jesus I hate tobacco 😭🙏
1 hour until FNAF DBD
🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
Dead by Daylight is getting fnaf as a killer
FNAF in DBD?
No dead by daylight is getting fanf in it
No shot
Releasing summer
That's crazy
If you fail gen does freddy just tp to you😭 🙏
Anyways my friend is making me beat the daycare in SB for her cuz she can't do it
@shut vapor what’s that one killer build everyone is complaining about that fnaf will revive?
Power cuts
Right outside the door

I only played up to sister location
idk I didn't play dbd for years
Isn't that part eazy?
FNAF after that went to shit
They just added stuff for the sake of adding stuff
Ye
Fnaf peaked at world tbh
Fnaf world was when Fnaf peaked
Fruit punch clown🔥
Yea
"Reactor counts as a Player"
Rip
I loved when he got 1 slightly outside
Now you need to move 1 room down
Peak
Fruit punch for everyone 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
had a game where someone called sleepers tweakers and now i cant not call them that
Lol
They not wrong tho
"hes tweaking out"
Ima start doing that
They do be tweaking
My friend does that too
Same
you weren't there during the age of the Guzzlers
Tell anyone about this and I cut your throat
Didn’t you record the fruit punch line?
Wat

Malefic lore wtf🤯
(He lives in Germany)
Fuck outa here @unique spruce you don’t even own the game

fruit punch
For everyone
👊
hes gonna fist fruit
NO YOU LITTLE SHIT
Embed fail
😭🙏
Bro got caught again
No way cuh got embed failed twice
Third times the charm trust
😭🙏😭🙏
Huh
No way yall are falling for this
Lol
They don't realise we don't have rights in here
I wish i had embed perms😥
Yep
I just never bothered trying embeds
We starting a revolt
Give us image and embed perms
🗣️🔥
Retire #gtfo-spoiler-chat
Let me post gifs or give me death🦅 🦅 🦅
That chat has been dead
You have image perms in there, lore channel and media, soy said that they’re thinking about retiring spoiler cuz yea
Really?
Nothing to be spoiled anymore
spoil the lore of new games in it
Everything been out for years
1 year and a half*
then we need to start doxxing people as a spoiler
bring that channel back
1.5 years
Bruh
I love cyber bullying
Just cuz u carried me don’t mean u gotta get me pregnant 🗣️🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
I got super pregnanted😔
This server is cooked😭 🙏
Lol
Malefic likes you a lot
😆
We went from R8 to sweets to this
Love that guy yes homo
Omg get a room
🤯
He loves Kaiser tho😔
i am already making out with Gayser
You are a minor
Wtf
Shut
IM NOT
Yuh uh
I can't believe that maleific is cheating on kaiser🤯
Does Kaiser says that to everyone he meets?

@lost lynx I just realized is that cipher?
Ye for R8A2
Oh
😭🙏
I know for a fact that you are - 17 years ols bro🎣
Nvm
Actually a bit older than that
Man I'm 16
Bro .t GTFO
-16?
Damm Bro is using HSR characters without playing it? Unreal
older you dumbass
Frfr
I don't play cringe
Cro cant do math💔
GTFO is 18+. GTFO Out of GTFO
I play big boy games like Hello Kitty Island
Fax
.t get out
Chat i got embed perms
Fuck TBS. we gambling 
Gambling 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
I don't see gtfo getting a 18+ rating
You can gamble deez
No one cares about age ratings nowdays lol
MODS! GIVE ME IMBED PERMS, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
godofwar1intro.mp4
You see 10 years old playing 21+ games
i wnt to
Gex with Shaeffer in R9 
.t no
i gonna anoy ttmoth
Bro wants to
Bruh😭 🙏 the fukn bot
Bro got horrendous grammar 🥸
y
It even got copypasta
Let idk cook bro
.t bucket
||This is my bucket. There are many like it, but this one is mine.||
||My bucket is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.||
||My bucket, without me, is useless. Without my bucket, I am useless. I must use my bucket true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will …||
||My bucket and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….||
||My bucket is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my bucket clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ….||
||Before God, I swear this creed. My bucket and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.||
||So be it, until victory and there is no enemy, but peace!!||
.t love
21+ is a thing?
.t goose
Yes
21+ games are only for the 21 kid🙏
Like me amirite @unique spruce
Let 21 1yo Kids Play it legally
Discord is for 13+ I still see 10 year olds on here
13*
Thx
I also see people using vencord on here
So you are 13yo?
Ofc u want vr go back to vrchat
nah vr gtfo
Enjoy motion sickness
I might Play it later today
Unironically would get bored
ty
Cuh needs more dopamine
"you won't last more than 5 minutes playing this game"
😭🙏
Firing from MG in VR is peak expirience
Imagine if r8a2 secondary was the tutorial
I wouldn’t know
I should tell my friend it is and have him play it with me 🥸
You should
Unironically love that level
Money issue smh
We wouldn’t get thru shadow zone tbh
I have access to a vr I just don’t wanna use it
If you carried
nah
Ah right
Because it will fry your PC?
no
Scatter is Not real
Laik Nähe
he has rx 7900xtx and r7 7800x3d
There’s a 4 scout room
Just Run through it 4head
Would be funi
Bro
Also I did all secondary and overloads in r8 so all prisoner efficiencys have been obtained for that rundown
Pic or didn't happen
1 
Bro…
Someone send spoiler channel link
Wow I hate school wifi
Sent the screenshot
It's in gtfo media
Want me to send my steam profile?
@lost lynx
nah
I love getting carried to victory lol
fr
Rundown 1 2 8 in 90 hours? Daymn lets us Play some duos
(i dont have the game)
Sledgehammer for the win
Lol
R8 was the most time
Thank god for guides
And this community
I rage quit so many times
Cuz I woke up a scout
Everyone knew exactly where to go and what to do meanwhile I was getting lost
Bat>other melees
At least my stealth game is mostly clean
Bat = Hammer with Higher difficulty floor
Bat>hammer
Stagger is useless
✋😐🤚
Is this cinima?
mfw class 80 tank surge alarm
Only tank surge when @gaunt nacelle keeps stepping in it
damn bro rlly called him out
moth did nothing wrong, he was just upping the experience :)
Wtf did moth do😭 🙏
blud brought a burst pistol once to a nightmare charger and reinforced flyers and tank fight
I like your funny words magic man
I’m just a boy 🎀

bro
😭 🙏
lock in yung blud
nah lowkey we can have like 10 tanks and just reach spawn cap
might be the strat unless rundownx upped the limit
Where do the zombies come from during alarms? Are thry in the walls?
The neather🗣️ 🔥
neather
Flint and steel🗣️ 🔥
which mission has pablo the invincible tank?
R1a1
😑
r7e1 and r8a2
I am geeked out frfr
dang the scattergun does 128 dmg???
If you bitflip it it does 256
actually crazy
messing around with weapons rn
Im out chauffeuring
how much would the game balance break if i made the mag size of scatter gun from 2 to 4?
how much would need to be rebalanced?
My Nan 🥸
Idk if it would be insane, defo would be way to OP
ye thats what i figured
you can delete enemies the way it is now already
if you increased max mag
you could just sprint into r8 and just delete most things
i really need to try using more weapons
rather than just hel rifle and scattergun
pubdown moment
pubdown moment
so why does the choke shotgun shoot in 3 round burst even though its a semi auto?
making the sniper from 2 to 4 would be more balanced
scatters just a better sniper
i will probably do that
sniper was 3 mag at some point and it was a good gun
or i could just make sniper have same ammo as hel rifle
since i could copy and paste
and i dont like code
anyways i have a bad grasp of balancing weapons
so can someone tell me why does the choke shotgun shoots in 3 round burst even though its a semi auto?
It doesnt?
you can just trigger finger the choke mod extremely fast
then how come when i shoot it it shoots 3 bullets in a row?
its 4 shots per clip no ?
oh really?
i mightve been accidentally doing that
LOL
it has a ridiculous fire rate of 1200RPM
cuz the recoil sends my screen to facing the roof
real or fake
real
it's real
thats insane for a shotgun
yea its a cousin to the scattergun
cuz u just get more range with the choke
and a tighter spread
the only thing faster than chokemod in fire rate is the machine pistol at 1500 RPM
Why change weapons?
You click 3 times
helping my friend make a modpack
she wants the game to be easier
did they look at guides to learn it?
ditto
The game is 100% not easy
i do like your guides tho eva
but its far easier than people think
it makes explaining things to friends way easier
i personally love the game the way it is
Regarding gun balance
It wont actually change much unless you just make it an arcade shooter
ok
just dont give the guns infinite ammo
realistically 1200RPM is incredibly overkill, you could easily half the fire rate of the choke mod and only extremely fast clickers will ever notice the difference, most people cant click more than about 8 times per second and to even hit 1200RPM you need to click at a rate of 20 times per second
and its still ass
choke mod isnt ass
i will die for my choke mod and high caliber
thats a heavy overstatement.
Its just massively massively rolecrept
Why the fuck pick it when in 999/1000 situations its worse
the high caliber is literally the choke mod with 2 more bullets and a tiny bit less damage
but it still 1 shots smalls
the scattergun is the other end of that
choke mod is outclassed by other weapons in almost every way
i still wouldnt define the weapon as ass because you can certainly use it
but it genuinely isnt very good
its not like the hel autopisstool
sniper is probably a better pick ngl imo
i like hel autopistol (●'◡'●)
i do not
i usually play support
hel shawty tho is great
so i love the stagger
worst ammo econ in the game with about the same capacity to kill bigs
how many people would be mad if i increased the sniper ammo count
0
its a bad gun
really?
sniper is better for bigs
1 headshot for bigs
and the econ is fine if you use it for that
either 1 tap them to head(sniper) or hit them 2 times in back with chokemod
chokemod then just has more ammo for every other purpose
you arent hitting 2 back shots every time with chokemod
if you dont hit the back snipers better at that one specific area
and then is worse than the scatterun
and the helrifle
you arent most of the time
yeah obv
but you arent hitting backshots a lot of the time with choke
You can use and clear with anything…
Viable can still be ass
Actually a good maib
i really do not like the hel autopistol
i just think hel shotgun is a strictly better version
like it isnt but how i play yea
Eh
Sniper has an itty bitty tiny niche
You can actually have moments where youll wanna pick it
But picking choke mod is less of a downside than sniper for most situations
before the hel autopistol didn't have hel properties, and that was pretty lackluster
Choke can kill ~2 1/2 bigs. Sniper 5+
what's the argument
i think your teammates weapons just usually cover for the weaknesses
Not saying that sniper is good but…
chokemod doesnt really provide much
Choke is an all rounder
but a bad all rounder
Its anti small, charger, nightmare, scout, giant, boss
Its not bad
In the sense other stuff is bad
its the highcaliber with 2 less bullets
Imma up the sniper ammo count so I can use it and people won't laugh
yes
i would personally rather take sniper over choke
Just return sniper to pre r8 stats (there should even be a mod for this)
if sniper had 3 a clip id use it but i just like shotguns more so id still scatter
Honestly bad take
You put yourself into a situation where you basically dont wanna shoot and need to depend on teammates now
Which are what stats?
Sawed off isnt an alternative to choke lol
3 mag, less recoil, less shot delay
Its a personal opinion. I think if you arent relying on your teammates a bit then you are kinda playing wrong
there is, hirnu made it, just reverted it
sawed off is literally better choke
the only thing it doesn't have is range so
its a main not a special
even then it's based
that's the problem !
sniper has more utility in its niche than chokemod has
^
i think it offers more value
giants become much less of a problem
chokemod just kinda picks off a bit for a lot of things
i think its a good gun for the 100 giant missions but otherwise im not taking sniper
it was actually pretty decent back then aswell. But hel auto (back then just auto) was in og r4 which is 4 years ago
i like chokemod when going into a mission blind
as it doesnt suffer against anything but it isnt 'optimal' either
but im not gonna regret it
i would
i will regret bringing a blind sniper 9//10 times
at least for me
if there isnt bigs it isnt a gun
blind isnt really a good metric
u shld give the sniper a 50 bullet mag
if im going blind im taking sawed off hel rifle every time
even if scatter is a better pick
i support this
the buff it deserves
the point is that choke mod generally provides more value than sniper
if snipers niche kicks in (or a level is giant heavy) then it outvalues choke. But a slightly subpar all rounder > super niche giant clear
curious, did people use it for the misery that is R4B2 PE
or prec multi
which both make choke have better matchups in some cases.
Sawed off is clearly a better gun, but like... they dont do the same thing
I think the niche isnt super niche. Its only like that when you play meta, because you just take a better gun. But if you had to choose one of your players taking choke mod or sniper, I think sniper gives more value as giants are common.
Choke mod provides value where value isnt needed
isnt sniper like absolutely useless against every other enemy in the game other than giants
OG R7 is the best example. Choke mod didnt get changed since then, but it was legit a top tier option for the past meta
If you need the choke mod to pick off a couple smalls then you have bigger problems
while chokemod is useful against every single enemy type in the game, if not highly effective
eliminating giants is better value
people act like the gun is suddenly trash without any nerfs. It got rolecrept, not fucked
yeah there is just better alternatives but it isnt bad itself
Thats because current meta weapons werent around tho
Both sniper and choke mod are bad in terms of the meta
You just pick the better weapons
in comparision to what
if you remove scatter/burst cannon, sniper is more lackluster for the gameplay than if you remove all other all rounder options with choke mod
I will say I used Choke Mod in my R2E1 clear as a middle ground between longer range options (sometimes the scans just don't give you hel rifle sightlines), and having immediate non-precision based stopping power while being able to interrupt hybrids, due to the team comp really wanting to use thermals among what they were otherwise comfortable with
isnt scatter-sniper the exact same way
my primary wasn't sawed off either, it was SMG/Hel Revo tossup
its best pick vs hybrids
about 2nd-4th for giants
best for kraken
decent for tank, pmom and mega mom
and best for big flyers
or hel-rifle-sniper even
Yeah but that isnt how the game is
or unless it gets tweaked
We have all these other weapons
ye
I also dont think there are ANY levels where choke mod is a "good" pick, but sniper can be a "good" pick on a variety of levels
And on the other levels in a full team setting, sniper can just provide more value
i still dont think id ever pick sniper over a helrifle or a scatter
I think some levels choke mod is better
i would in r6cx 
- the point is that choke is like a -1 or -2/10 (in comparision to good picks) but overall provides some value everywhere
sniper is a 10/10 for like 2 things and a 0-1/10 for everything else
- you say if "you" pick sniper. But it goes back to the reason why 4 sniper loadout is so ass. You are mega dependent on other stuff. you gotta understand that sniper makes more sense to pick OVER other options since it has a niche (however tiny). But that doesnt make it better as a general pick vs a slightly subpar (rolecrept) weapon that works as an all rounder
if we only had these 2 weapons youd pick 3 choke, 1 sniper or 4 chokes (this last one is just a clear hyperbole obviously)
you can argue there's a few A tiers speeds where you can maybe take choke mod but eh... you really need to work hard to find use cases
as crazy as I am, I took precision rifle into R6CX
I find it acceptable against big flyers even if it doesnt 1 shot, and i have more ammo to pluck off flyers
i like precision rifle i need to get better with it
Was that when we played it?
yes
thermal too is nice
yea cuz theres typically better options
it was during the run with you moth
but this always leads people to believe that choke is suddenly no value
its LESS
this is unironically keksis argument for hammer/spear but actually logical
I was just chillin with my usual loadout
choke is basically always worse than hel rifle/high cal/scatter
I dont think the 4 sniper loadout argument is really a valid one
choke is always less value than whatever is strictly needed but its useful for everything
but sniper in this case would be knife vs spear argument
sniper is either 0 or 10
And most of the time 0
hence me saying its a fucking hyperbole
Im talking about the game we have now
and sniper is still either 0 or 10
What's the argument now?
Then it cant really apply well?
it does
chokemod is worthless and sniper is worthful
where does sniper apply value
Im talking about in a 4man setting where people can pick their guns
giants
Choke > sniper
hybrids
I run now
kraken
thanks
if you compare the 2 guns choke mod does A LOT better in everything sniper is bad. And is decently close in many cases
choke mod unironically is like top 3 anti hybrid clear
Yeah and thats relative to those 2 guns
But those tthings that choke is better at is just covered by your team
yea and snipers niches are heavily rolecrept by scatter, burst cannon and co
gonna write a plugin that allows the team to equip any combination of guns as they are in vanilla but you cant ready up unless no duplicate guns are detected, maybe that would help expose some gun roles
id rather have a chokemod to kill a hybrid than a sniper from ammo economy, general usage and how effective it is for stagger
if scatter and burst cannon wouldn't exist choke mod would be a pick. Otherwise currently the gun's "niche" is so fucking insanely tiny that I dont see it ever ran unironically
choke mod is generally rolecrept but its closer in value
Where as sniper gives much bigger value in its niche that choke ever does
rolecreeps
Scattergun <- Choke Mod -> Highcaliber -> Burst Cannon
Hel Rifle <- Sniper -> Burst Cannon
niche, but then good value or basically no value
generally decent value
is that agreeable
? what
you dont want a sniper you would rather have 2 of the other niches (same for choke mod)
?
????
am i insane
choke mod is role crept by: scattergun (boss clear/giant clear), burst cannon (boss clear, giant clear), hel gun/hel rifle (charger clear/wave clear)
i think i might be tired
My whole point tho is if you couldnt pick those
and you had to choose choke or sniper
if you couldnt pick any of those id always take choke
on 1 player
if you couldnt pick any of those youd pick choke mod in 9/10 cases
Choke
the 1 time youd pick sniper is when it outshines choke mod specifically
choke is the more general one, it would probably be the "default" and then only if sniper turns out to be slightly better it would be picked
but as eva says, those cases would be rare
Only if the level has a shit ton of hybrids or giants, other than that choke all the time
sniper is just too bad default stats into anything but giants and hybrids and maybe big flyers
sniper pickrate would likely go up as it goes from "anti kraken, big flyer, hybrid and rare giant clear" to "all anti big and kraken"
choke mod goes from "subpar all rounder" to "all rounder"
choke mod tank combat genuienly was fun in OG R7 
Its just like you NEVER see choke in speeds or high level gameplay, but you see sniper, because any value choke gives just becomes obsolete with your team.
goated into kraken
true
please tell me more about this 
imagine mom births and ur just there with a sniper
also keep in mind: the only real disadvantage when it comes to choke mod vs sniper into giants and big flyers is ammo cost per kill. The kill range is very good for both
At that point try to melee the baby horde
we dont use choke in speeds cause scatter exists
Lol
or BC
yeah
yea lol
if they wouldn't exist we would use choke
but snipers niche actually has a spot in the game
because sniper sucks ass against anything but 3 enemies
thats the wrong approach
speeds are EXTREME cases. Why would we ever pick an option that doesnt provide overall great value or a specific niche value. Sniper is super niche and thus rarely picked but it is picked
choke mod doesnt have that. The only niche choke has for speed is high range insta gib on giants with no aim needed
if choke was removed the game would not be any different
yeah it would i would be sad
frosty if scatter and BC get removed, giant kill and boss kill becomes the niche of choke mod, which is considerably bigger than "we need big flyer dead" or "we need hybrid dead from across 3 rooms"
i think my like situations are different in my head
I love when all the gun arguments suddenly turn to " but in speeds X is bad/good"
yeah obviously
hel shawty
but we have those 2
frosty just looks at
"does it have a niche"
in a comparision between a super niche gun that maxes out 2 stats and throws away everything else. And a gun that has stats everywhere but has multiple guns do what it can do in some areas
but sniper actually has a niche that ISNT filled by other weapons in those cases
wasn't this the whole point tho?
for one persn
if hel rifle and hel gun are removed, choke mod also becomes charger clear (with high cal, both having slightly different strenghts and weaknesses)
that means nothing,
why take choke mod when you can take hel rifle, hel gun, scatter, etc
a niche doesnt make a weapon better for a GENERAL use
that person just picks combat shotgun and 3 others go scatter
you are gonna suffer less by picking choke mod than sniper
because for sniper you either do nothing or 1 specific thing
choke mod does something for everything
okay maybe my point is that i think sniper has its place in high end gameplay and speedrun meta and choke just doesnt
and i phrased it bad
if 2 scatters already exist in the team, only sniper can be playable but that's cause scattergun exists
that's not the fault of choke
like in my mind i just dnt think f general pub gameplay
unironically this could go into a comparision like pdw vs carbine
pdw provides value in a way no other gun does. Carbine does value for so many things, but is genuienly outclasses by the actual top weapons. Which is the better gun
also "pub" (awful term to use for general gameplay) aka general gameplay is way more relevant than speedrun meta
yeah ik
pub
i think im just thinking of not that
When ranking weapons you should think about general gameplay
yeah ik
Not Speedruns, challenge runs or whatever
yeah ik
Yeah yk
like i think my point is jsut that like at a certain point choke is just an obsolete weapon where as sniper still has its place
and in my eyes, sniper has more of a place in the meta than choke
like rayalots tierlist and the sleeper podcast tierlists (if you move around the few missplaced things (aka dmr in B tier for ray or mgs higher than deserved for sleeper podcast) look at different things
ray looks at high end mission gameplay encounters while the sp looks at the general encounters in gtfo
reminds me when I talked with jish about balance and they had played only jishdown (boss spam of death). Scattergun value goes from good/great (this is pre R8 scatter) to obscene beyond belief
because choke doesnt provide anything that other weapons dont
yeah ik

yeha i think i look in this case at high end mission gameplay like ray
choke mod is obsolete -> rolecrept in like 9/10 of its usecases. And the 1 thing it still does unique just isnt worth it regularly
Choke mod is still in a better shape than sniper, as it actually does things. Albeit subpar
Like the arbalist is also obsolete, so is HAR, at least half the full auto main weapons and shotgun sentry (some of these being actual dogshit... we all know which)
i agree that like in general gameplay for a lot of people choke is proobably the better pick
like if a player asks on here
"should I pick choke mod or sniper"
(you obviously should ask for which level and what their team is running, but lets set that aside)
you are more likely to say choke mod
after you say "pls just pick hel rifle or scatter"
yeah i agree
i wouldnt recommend people sniper
also frosty more r5d1 in 16 hours 💀
gulp
my strat is the goat
and then we get triple south spawn :)
also i think runs will get more consistent with us running for D cell instead of B and C
possibly
I think we rly gotta clear out A more (specifically the giants)
I cant deal with them without using up a full ammo pack worth of my ammo
vs like... 1 scatter mag
yeah i try to kill the giants
sometimes they are just out of the way when we are running for cell
🤯
I do feel that if we get a good ladderfoam we may not give 2 ammo to hel rifles but 1/1 to rifle and scatter
so its kenny dies in next room or i leave a giant or 2 alive
but if we get super close A cell im just sitting outside instead of trying to clear A
unless you legit dont see the giant its probably worth to just go for it
its not worth
since door needs to open
if its super close A I think we just kinda gotta slow down minimally
i might actually check how far the room gets pulled if i shoot outside sec door
we safe so much time from the cell that us clearing more carefully is still a +10 second gain
like if its close cell kenny might aswell not pick up immediatly and empty his guns then carry or smth
what speed is talk about
depends on whether we still need to clear a bunch or not
sometimes if we get the call out we can melee the rest
I just cant stop enemies from going for ladder foam while foaming
so I need someone to stay guard at some point
oof
run honestly isnt too bad
if it werent for cell rng at this point
but we are gonna transition to R5D2 right after finally
i think im just going to look whats close and if i can just melee until i NEED to shoot
dayum
it like evens out at that point lmao
Why not
Its just like 0.1 chance
You can do it
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