gtfo-chat

[hoary crescent]

why are you guys arguing with the 200 hours andy, you're probably never gonna see him again lol

he plays ready or not so that already tells you what's his "style" for gtfo

[pearl pine]

at the end of the day, we all love the same game. this is one of my favourite games. met some of the best people through this game im still friends with to this day

[gaunt nacelle]

Bruh

Can we normalize being diverse in our list of games we’ve played

[hoary crescent]

you can play whatever you want

i'm not saying it's wrong lmfao what the fuck

i'm just saying that just by watching his steam library you can tell he likes stealth, he's not gonna fast stealth and that shit

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs but I think you shouldn’t judge based on one game they’ve played

[hoary crescent]

he plays like spiff did back then

[hoary crescent]

I'm judging by the comments he's made and and i'm judging his playstyle based on his favourite game, it's not that deep

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs on most games, not one game

[gaunt nacelle]

Ait mb thought you meant cuz he plays RoN he’s gonna play a certain way

[pearl pine]

i do love stealth in most games yea

[hoary crescent]

yeah see

let the man be

the people that he'll "teach" anyways won't join any lobbies with faster people so it's fine lmao

[gaunt nacelle]

🤷‍♂️

Mb G’s

[pearl pine]

nah its my fault. really just wanted to help people out and enjoy the game haha. didnt mean to start all this. its honestly the last thing i wanted

[hoary crescent]

the issue stemmed from this comment you made " I don’t like speedrunners nor do it myself"

[gaunt nacelle]

Most convos here kinda start that way, at least the memorable ones 🥴

[hoary crescent]

next time just avoid that

[pearl pine]

just wanted to attract similar people is all lol

[hoary crescent]

cause you obviously didn't play with any speedrunner, you just played with an average player that went a normal pace

you just go at a lower place than normal, that's all and that's okay

people play their own way

just don't bash on other people that's all

[gaunt nacelle]

Just say ” if y’all want we can go slow” and I think most slow paced people would appreciate it

[hoary crescent]

no

ill just leave the lobby

[gaunt nacelle]

I mean he said to send a dm

So you’d send the dm

[hoary crescent]

fair then 👍

[gaunt nacelle]

Then prolly figure that out

Then you could be civilized and be like ”o shiiii our playstyles don’t match”

And leave it at that lol

[hoary crescent]

i think the issue frosty saw, or at least that i saw aswell was that he's willing to teach new players the way he likes to play the game, which inherently is slow and just wrong imo

[gaunt nacelle]

Yeaaaaaaaaa kinda, you do need a mix of being quick but also not wasting resources where you can’t

Imo timed levels are the only levels where you need to quick stealth

[hoary crescent]

the first thing i used to tell newer players in a lobby is just stop crouching and fast stealth

[gaunt nacelle]

Arguments to be made about infectious fog levels too

[hoary crescent]

ain't nobody got time to waste 3 hours on a level crouching

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs

[pseudo sedge]

the advantage with playing faster is u actually get through the game in a reasonable time and dont see the 7 hour r6d1 clear

[gaunt nacelle]

Uhhhhh I do 😭 different story on my R4B1 clear lol

[pseudo sedge]

you also get to learn from mistakes far better if u play faster

[hoary crescent]

^

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs fairs

[hoary crescent]

that would've been my issue with his message

[gaunt nacelle]

Cuz you do more mistakes per hour type stuff

Fairs fairs

[hoary crescent]

i do feel like fast stealthing, which is not even close to speedrunning, is the correct way to play the game

[gaunt nacelle]

Maybe I’m forgetting how bad slow stealth is lol

[gaunt nacelle]

”The correct way is to have fun” 👆 🤓

[pseudo sedge]

you get to see what the limit is, it's just basic limit testing: u get to see how many enemies u can handle at once, how fast u can stealth a group of enemies, and all of this works with the fact that if u have a section where u have issues getting to it in 20minutes rather than 1 hour feels much better

[hoary crescent]

slow stealth is insanely slow

[hoary crescent]

that is true though you're right

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs, what’s the normal like ”sleeper” limit for a person?

[hoary crescent]

surge wave?

lol

[pseudo sedge]

there is so much critique of this game being "too long or tedious" which all stems from a fundamental missunderstanding that this game is supposed to be played only slow

[hoary crescent]

^

[gaunt nacelle]

Yeaaaa but I feel like fast stealth will attract more people tho lol

[hoary crescent]

i'd say that it attracts the right people

how many people that slow stealth do you see that get past r3?

whenver i pub i'd say 0 lol

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea I mean I did tell my friend that it can be quite long but I think I got him into quick stealthing early enough

[gaunt nacelle]

Lol

[pseudo sedge]

depends on the player, loadout: for example me with hel gun, sawed off i can confidently solo a whole wave, others can do it with even worse loadouts, others can do half a wave

[gaunt nacelle]

Also how would one count how many rundowns you’ve done if they’re spread out? Cuz if I was playing with friends I feel like I’m past R3 excluding R2E1

[gaunt nacelle]

I kindaaaa meant melee only hammer lol

[pseudo sedge]

fast stealth it also depends based on enemy positions, orientations

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs

[hoary crescent]

if stealthing infinite if you know how long range, proxy, forcing long range works

[pseudo sedge]

but currently: every enemy solo is stealthable except bosses

so as long as u can isolate bigger enemies u can stealth any room

[hoary crescent]

^

[gaunt nacelle]

Ok but the like sleeper wakes up cuz I killed someone near it, I kill that sleeper which doesn’t wake up others thing, how does that work?

[pseudo sedge]

and using forced long range aggro this is doable

[gaunt nacelle]

Aight

[hoary crescent]

long range can't chain long range

that's how you kill small things near a giant for example

[gaunt nacelle]

Is that long range?

[hoary crescent]

you force long range on the sleeper near the giant and you can kill him without proxying the giant

[pseudo sedge]

if u dont kill the enemy u wake up the chance for a long range aggro is 100% and thus u can force any long range aggro by walking into a small enemy (aka waking it up) and then immediately hammering it

[gaunt nacelle]

Is it wait until smol is on stage 2, giant is in stage 1, then kill a sleeper decently far away and the smol wakes up type thing?

[gaunt nacelle]

Ooooh ok

[hoary crescent]

#gtfo-media message

[graceful geode]

I dont want to sound rude but here's a single consideration: at this point the game has more people who can help/teach then people who want to be helped/teached

[hoary crescent]

this is an example of abusing that mechanic

the shooter can't wake up mechanically

[pearl pine]

ye ik, i just enjoy doing it a lot haha. also helps solidify my understanding of the mechanics

[graceful geode]

It's also true that actually teaching this game is sometimes grueling (I've a 2 hour run of R2C1 where I teached 2 guys terminal, uplink, how they work, bonking scouts and all that jazz) and to be honest it's a bit of a chore.

[hoary crescent]

forcing long range works with nearest enemy

not stage of alertness

[gaunt nacelle]

Ooooh ok

[hoary crescent]

long range in general works that way

that's why sometimes you may be wondering "how did that guy wake up and not this guy", the "this guy" wasn't alerted that's why

[gaunt nacelle]

So if a sleeper is woken up and I kill it, there’s 100% chance the closest sleeper will wake up?

[hoary crescent]

no

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea lol

[hoary crescent]

another sleeper has to be alerted

if everything is sleeping nothing will wake up

[gaunt nacelle]

Oh ok

[hoary crescent]

the way you force long range is by waking up the sleeper you're about to kill

that way you force long range

if anything is alerted

[gaunt nacelle]

Im tryna wrap my head around this lol

[hoary crescent]

eva as always has a video about it

should be the stealth guide

[gaunt nacelle]

Would be surprised if he didn’t lol

Has it got nothing to do with states?

[hoary crescent]

?

[pseudo sedge]

the way it works: if a sleeper is sleeping and u wake it up it triggers short range aggro check, if the check fails then it can trigger long range aggro check which has a max of 1 enemy. Here it has a chance to wake it up which ranges based on: enemy state after wake up and way it woke up. (for example which melee u hit it with)

[hoary crescent]

what? referred to moth message

[pseudo sedge]

If u wake it up and it is not dead, no matter how u woke it up the odds it triggers long range aggro is 100%

and long range aggro wakes up the closest glowing enemy within 15m

[gaunt nacelle]

Like stage 2 sleeping is glowing

[hoary crescent]

stages dont matter

only thing that matters if it's sleeping or not

[gaunt nacelle]

But then this contradicts it no?

[hoary crescent]

?

why

[gaunt nacelle]

On the stages don’t matter part

[hoary crescent]

bro

sleeping or not

that's all

wtf LOL

[gaunt nacelle]

😭🙏

My bad

[hoary crescent]

it's really not that hard to grasp

[pseudo sedge]

stages matter on the enemy u WANT to force long range aggro on

[hoary crescent]

yes

[graceful geode]

It's one of those cases where people mean different things with "stages" "waking"

[pseudo sedge]

not on the enemy u use to long range aggro

[gaunt nacelle]

This is what I meant lol mb

[hoary crescent]

ify ou're asking if alerted or throbbing matters

no, what matters if it's sleeping or the other two

that's what matters

you want to force? just flash him and wake up the enemy you're killing

that's all

you want nothing to be woken up? flash everything and wait till everything is asleep and kill

it's that simple

really not that deep

[gaunt nacelle]

Ok wait so if I got this correctly, let’s say there’s a giant with a sleeper next to him, then there’s a sleeper close to me and the sleeper close to the giant is closer than the giant to me than the giant. When the sleeper close to the giant glows, I wake up the one close to me and kill it, the sleeper close to the giant wakes up and I kill it, leaving the giant sleeping

[pseudo sedge]

yes

[hoary crescent]

yes

[gaunt nacelle]

Ok got it lol mb

[hoary crescent]

the reason is -> chain long range is not allowed

[gaunt nacelle]

(Also no I think it’s more that I didn’t comm which one was in stage 2 or not lol)

[hoary crescent]

which is very nice

[near stag]

I though you watched Evas stealth Guide multiple Times LMAO

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea it is

[gaunt nacelle]

I watched it once

[graceful geode]

See it like this: enemies that wake up due to long range do not make any noise when killed

[gaunt nacelle]

And now I’ve forgotten lol

[hoary crescent]

literally the only important thing about eva's stealth guide

[gaunt nacelle]

Yeyeyeye i got it now lol

[hoary crescent]

in vanilla you may use it like

almost never

probably 3 or 4 times if you really look for it

[gaunt nacelle]

? No I feel like this could be used quite a lot?

[hoary crescent]

you just

don't slow stealth enough to use it

[graceful geode]

I'm not going to lie: it's handy to know so you dont RUSH to kill something that woke up due to long range, since that can actually wake more shit up than just killing the sleeper

But that's it.

[pseudo sedge]

that trick is not tied to slow stealth

[junior latch]

No?

[graceful geode]

or for cases where you really want something close to something small not to wake up

[junior latch]

Number is slightly off

[pseudo sedge]

wait what is the actual range?

[hasty bobcat]

why is there so many messages

[hoary crescent]

cause you suck

[graceful geode]

to annoy you

[hoary crescent]

and im waiting for nickle to play minecraft

[gaunt nacelle]

I’d say this is a goated Strat idk why you wouldn’t use this like a decent amount of time

[hasty bobcat]

thank

[junior latch]

Check the litteral stealth guide :^ )

[near stag]

GTFO Server being alive?

[hoary crescent]

you just dont when fast stealthing

[hasty bobcat]

yea

why

[graceful geode]

ok this is a nice quip

[hasty bobcat]

this place was a desert like an hour ago

[junior latch]

Its 13

[graceful geode]

good job

[hoary crescent]

i came

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs ig, tbf most stuff I’ve been thru has been with bots so

[hoary crescent]

that's what happend

[gaunt nacelle]

I saw

[near stag]

All the europeans woke up

[hasty bobcat]

all over the chat????

[hoary crescent]

yes

rn

[hasty bobcat]

oya fair

[graceful geode]

someone posted something in lfg-beginners about not wanting to speedrun but wanting to teach

[gaunt nacelle]

Wowowowowowoww lakana wat

[hoary crescent]

oh yeah happy late easter

[gaunt nacelle]

😭🙏

[junior latch]

And to explain this

Melee hits that dont kill do not have 100% long range aggro chance

[gaunt nacelle]

Saw that

[graceful geode]

or something along those lines

[hasty bobcat]

ya I saw that

and I was like

average

and went back to sleep

[gaunt nacelle]

So bump and kill and kill the woken up if it was glowing

[gaunt nacelle]

Chad

[graceful geode]

Sleep is nice.

[hasty bobcat]

oh wait

[blazing ingot]

who would've guessed this guy likes sleep

[hasty bobcat]

is it the thing that was applied to giants

a couple months back

[gaunt nacelle]

”Give a man a level, he’s fed for a day, teach a man fast stealth and he’s completed the game” type stuff

[graceful geode]

Darkeva's message must be long

how long will it be?

open guesses

[hoary crescent]

Looking for 3 players for a slow, methodical run – not rushing, not speedrunning.
Planning to clear room by room, communicate, and handle situations strategically.
Perfect if you're into stealth, coordination, and surviving over brute-forcing.

Mic required, patience preferred.
New or experienced – doesn’t matter as long as you're chill and down to take it slow.

DM if you're in.

[graceful geode]

10 lines?

[junior latch]

Its not about how you enjoy the game (tho there might be some lil quips) but about the things you said such as:

1. speedrunners are extremely annoying in the community
   -> I doubt you actually ever played with a single one
2. Speedrunners thinking their way is the only way to play
   -> all speedrunners I know are extremely aware that speedrunning is distinctly different from normal gameplay.
   Also you were saying your way is the only way to play, which was pretty hypocritical

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea I was about to say essay long message

[hoary crescent]

chatgpt goals

[brittle schooner]

patience preffered is funny lol

[junior latch]

That is how you can trigger long range aggro off of an awake enemy (if it wasnt killed it retriggers the chance on every hit after basically)

[graceful geode]

For the sake of the conversation I was once tricked into joining an half-serious R3D1 speedrun attempt that wasn't marked as such about a year ago or more

[gaunt nacelle]

Brazil Strat is req for every clear of R7E1

[hasty bobcat]

ohhh

[gaunt nacelle]

Lol

[graceful geode]

I mean I was told once I was in the lobby so it's okay

[hasty bobcat]

oh yeah it was a 2nd hit i remember

yea

[gaunt nacelle]

Chat if anyone wanna speedrun this #discord-announcements message and get a shit time so I can submit just hmu

[hasty bobcat]

what was the endscreen time

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs fairs

[hoary crescent]

25:50

i'm just guessing

[gaunt nacelle]

😭🙏

30:43

[graceful geode]

I cant remember but the people in it was like "at least it's sub something less than 20 but I dont remember"

[gaunt nacelle]

😭🙏

[hasty bobcat]

is aight

[hoary crescent]

average

[hasty bobcat]

does that imply u wanna participate

[graceful geode]

I think fastest I ever did was something around a quarter of hour with tru and other 2 people

[gaunt nacelle]

Yes I actually do but I’m too pub to lol

[hoary crescent]

damn

i need to find a team to run cell skip

or just pub it

[hasty bobcat]

it's a skip angle for u prob

[gaunt nacelle]

Tbh idk if just clears are accepted

Like even if it’s a shit time

[hasty bobcat]

we had 3 good players who know the route carry an admin

[gaunt nacelle]

Was it soy?

[hasty bobcat]

took like 4 runs and last one was 33 mins

[hoary crescent]

literally the only active admin yes

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[gaunt nacelle]

W’s honestly

[hasty bobcat]

point is u need 3 vets prob

[hoary crescent]

i believe with some good players you can cell skip sub 33

at least you actually play the game opposite to soy

[hasty bobcat]

times are

50 25 20

[hoary crescent]

oh

you're more than fine then

[graceful geode]

It's going to be like R3D1's contest where 3-4 people do multiple runs with multiple groups

[hasty bobcat]

prob

[hoary crescent]

probably

[graceful geode]

and multiple people get the prize

[gaunt nacelle]

Don’t have the rep for that lol

[hoary crescent]

sub 20 is way easier to get than sub 11 though

[hasty bobcat]

ye

or more like

[gaunt nacelle]

Lol

[hasty bobcat]

no rng involved really

[hoary crescent]

yeah

and also just more fun in general

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[hoary crescent]

r3d1 was a snoozefest into a 1 minute adrenaline rush

[gaunt nacelle]

Now it’s just vet finding lol

[hasty bobcat]

any group can get sub 50 prob

[gaunt nacelle]

Chat anyone a veterinarian?

[brittle schooner]

eh idk about way easier

[hoary crescent]

it's definetly easier

way easier is a stretch you're right

[hasty bobcat]

i mean we got a sub 20

kek

it was aight

[hoary crescent]

it was fine yeah

[gaunt nacelle]

Wait but what’s the diff between them?

[hoary crescent]

imo rng

[hasty bobcat]

prob

I mean u can still get fucked

but like

[hoary crescent]

like

[hasty bobcat]

everything has to go wrong for that pmuch

[hoary crescent]

speedrunning i believe it's also a mental thing

running over and over just to fail to rng and charger room

it slowly gets toyour mental lmao

[hasty bobcat]

it was aight

[gaunt nacelle]

🗣️🔥we quitting GTFO with this one

[brittle schooner]

charger room and its rng mostly is giga fked and main reason why i think sub 11 is harder, that said sub 20 cs still requires a good bit of skill

[hoary crescent]

r5e1 is just fun to speed

[hasty bobcat]

it gets pretty sad when u always survive

but still

[gaunt nacelle]

Ait

[ivory pier]

striker because hes male

[brittle schooner]

but what about big striker

[hasty bobcat]

same thought

[near stag]

@gaunt nacelle sry fam got some stuff to do. gtg

[gaunt nacelle]

npnpnp

[shut vapor]

anyone going for some round 2 of madness d1

(hopefully not afk when last up)

[sacred briar]

the hit rundown

[shut vapor]

Surely I won't troll this time

[ivory pier]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[burnt flume]

my r2mm broke lol i can't launch modded anymore

[gaunt nacelle]

Unfortunate

[wraith marsh]

Getting 33 was kinda sad unfortunately

We got sub 25 first try with a random pub who hadn't played the level before with me Ray zed

[silver spade]

epic embed fail

[ivory pier]

me when i need to make my 20th samdown profile @silver spade

[burnt flume]

oh i might've fixed it

yeah i did, there we go

[rose nova]

omg now play occlusion

[shut vapor]

or Madness

[rose nova]

or ping everything

[sacred briar]

or

[hasty bobcat]

i mean tbf u had like 15 ppl interrupting u every now and then

so is aight

[burnt flume]

we did waste a lot of time and got no early ammo in hub zone

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[worn kiln]

slander

[hasty bobcat]

where's announcement btw

or is it not yet time

[worn kiln]

not time yet

i miscalculated

[gaunt nacelle]

did a misinput

[worn kiln]

by that i mean i forgot to give a warning about the everyone ping to the mods so im giving them a few hours

[hasty bobcat]

should've stopped at miscalculated

[worn kiln]

womp womp

[mellow hedge]

Nah not really

[burnt flume]

r5e1 is a much more dangerous level

higher resource burden and less likely to find resources too

[mellow hedge]

A sub 20 with chill Strat still is not easy

[hasty bobcat]

i mean u just roll d key

[mellow hedge]

Sub 11 r3d1 is not that difficult

[hasty bobcat]

and it's free no

[mellow hedge]

Eh

Not really

You still have to play fast

[hasty bobcat]

did u run much ytd

[mellow hedge]

Yeah for a few hours

We had a run that was mid 15 pace

Ended up being a 16:55

[hasty bobcat]

prob just unforch

I got my run within like 2 hours

and we had only chill so

[mellow hedge]

We were running split strat

So we had like 4 sub 20’s or something

[hasty bobcat]

yea exactly

[fringe garden]

is is scatter hel rifle into chargers or double scatter

[hasty bobcat]

it's much more accessible prob

it's probably just everyone into chargers

like u clear A

u kill wave

and u just go in and blast

[fringe garden]

fair

[rose nova]

me finding out just now that r3 has logs on c1 and d1 that actively help for gameplay

what the fuckl

[mellow hedge]

The low time is ensuring split strat isn’t forced

[mellow hedge]

For split?

[mellow hedge]

Double scatter

[hasty bobcat]

nah

[mellow hedge]

In every other strat except split everyone goes in yeah

[hasty bobcat]

ye

by the time u kill B ure prolly getting 1 wave spawn

and that's it

[fringe garden]

checks out bbc and and tanks scary

[hasty bobcat]

so no point staying out

[mellow hedge]

Yeah

Scatter is just busted

I really like split strat though

[hasty bobcat]

everyone is doing smth

is aight

how do wave split feel?

[fringe garden]

id be willing to bet there's some wack bias towards one side that's also influenced by where host is

[hasty bobcat]

that's what i was thinking

host is carrying cell tho so is aight

[mellow hedge]

charger guys hardly get any waves spawns at all

[hasty bobcat]

yee

[mellow hedge]

until cell gets closer

[hasty bobcat]

ye is fair

it's pretty chill then

how far into hub are u available to go?

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[hasty bobcat]

before cell comes

[mellow hedge]

and the potential time save is pretty seductive

[mellow hedge]

you can go all the way if you make it

[hasty bobcat]

aight

[mellow hedge]

in an ideal world cell is the time gate

[fringe garden]

is it full send B to get scans pulled and game out atp

or can you still like, partial/full pull into mine and have time

[wraith marsh]

highly variable

typically you play for mines and whichever door breaks first gets funneled to

so you use that to get door pull then clean up

tank is in B a lot of the time so this gives time for him to move to the middle of the room which is a good spot to kill him

we phased out sniper so its double scatter charger zone now and it seems good

[wraith marsh]

im ngl tru doomposted it a bit much, I kinda like getting cell

and when cell is good its very hard for you to miss a lot of hub

[fringe garden]

triple scatter hel rifle?

[wraith marsh]

like typically pushers are gonna get stopped around C in hub

since thats the slowdown point

[wraith marsh]

ye

[fringe garden]

ggs the sawed off scatter is coming for everything

[wraith marsh]

yup

meta is doomed

byeah we made that change, slotted frosty instead of jish

ran split strat

and we got WR pace within 30 minutes

runs just not that optimized

[fringe garden]

surely giant alarm means hel rifle won't be replaced by scatter (clueless)

[wraith marsh]

yeah no you always need some long range

sniper unfortunately doesnt cut it

cuz that was the original thought

sniper 3 scatter

you rly need scout kill for giant zone

and range is good for both surges and giant alarm

(and even class 3 in split strat since you dont get to foam it all the time)

also makes scout waves less punishing

byeah split strat not as unfun as I thought it was, but I still definitely prefer not doing it

playing as 4 the whole run is just better and also has 0 rng requirement

lot less wipe conditions

[fringe garden]

and it's hel rifle because sniper reload is too shit it's tragic

[wraith marsh]

yeah, its agood level for both guns but unfortunately hel rifle is S tier and sniper is not

not unfortunately actually

[fringe garden]

eh i think good sniper would be fun

old sniper with new ammo would go so hard

[wraith marsh]

hel rifle is very very fun on that level

its like

the best hel rifle level ngl

[fringe garden]

that's a crazy take i think but maybe it's indivative of me being bad at playing pen

[limber notch]

what's the time save on split strat roughly?

like 2-4 min?

[wraith marsh]

hard to tell, probably 3 minutes max

its an overlap split so its very hard to judge timesave

the other strats for the level are built around E key so you get a lot of time save off of that alone

[limber notch]

kinda makes sub-20 very tight without split, no?

although idk which one is harder tbh

[wraith marsh]

no bc good split strat is like 15 minutes

perfect split strat at least

weve already ran non split a lot with different groups to get a good idea and sub 20 has been very low rng requirement

[hasty bobcat]

chill can u get ur theoretical

for r5e1

[wraith marsh]

I have no idea how to do that

frosty can probably already get a good one from last night

but its gonna be naive splits as per usual

and we rolled 0 C cells

actually now that I think about it I dont think we played a single H key either?

we were only resetting for D second keys

[hasty bobcat]

its like

u input all ur 5e1 logs

and then choose r5e1 or smth

[fringe garden]

you rolled the B key i trust

[hasty bobcat]

and it tells u ur theoretical

[wraith marsh]

where do I input it

speedrun logs?

or is it a stats thing

[hasty bobcat]

in the logger

yea stats thing

u can see ur theoretical somewhere

[junior latch]

sky the time will be off if they run different strats

[wraith marsh]

I dont have our original runs so this will likely only be last night + the test runs

[junior latch]

it takes the personal best between door opens

but if you run strats where door opens arent linear (or run multiple strats) then it gets borked

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[limber notch]

you mean "segmented"?

[hasty bobcat]

i mean that ye

u get me

[wraith marsh]

frosty you did the "fun" role

[limber notch]

speedrunner btw lel

[wraith marsh]

the role I did before so I only got to hear that the other role was bad

[hasty bobcat]

what's the fun role

is it pushing

[wraith marsh]

pushing yea

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[wraith marsh]

the 2 ppl going in charger

we all agree that hub is like

peak

[pseudo sedge]

i do wanna point out: last i checked in r5e1 splits get fucked anyway cause of cell movement, so it is even harder to actually pull a useful theoretical best out of it

[wraith marsh]

so missing hub is "bad"

[wraith marsh]

yeah it would need to be done manually

[hasty bobcat]

i'd assume theoretical is sub 15

[limber notch]

sub 15 definitely seems possible

but theoretical max...

[wraith marsh]

I dont think weve had a single good C cell grab -> giant alarm split anyways

[pseudo sedge]

because of how much u move cell u basically have to look at difference between the error alarm start all the way to the 2nd last alarm door open

[limber notch]

bhop cell all the way, save 1 min surely? 😎

[wraith marsh]

sub 15 is definitely possible but its very rng

[pseudo sedge]

actually glitched would look funny

[limber notch]

i mean, so was r3d1 sub 11 for the most part

[hasty bobcat]

das glitched

[hasty bobcat]

diff breed

[limber notch]

ig that's kinda how speedrunning gtfo goes at a very high level

[limber notch]

i mean in a general sense

[wraith marsh]

nah I Mean like

VERY rng

[mellow hedge]

our 16:55 lost 1.5 mins in charger because we had a double down from second room enemies and had to get revived by cell people. also had a down after surge at the end

[hasty bobcat]

how many keys is that

[wraith marsh]

res rng is also very high on r5e1

because you need to find most res in every start split

[pseudo sedge]

nah, r3d1 sub 11 is somewhat consistent: u get that in like 1 hour of runs if u dont troll

[mellow hedge]

sub 15 is very much possible

[hasty bobcat]

2 keys a cell

[mellow hedge]

also we had a K key

[hasty bobcat]

good hub

[mellow hedge]

no not really

[pseudo sedge]

sub 15 r5e1 is... insane rng compared to sub 11 r3d1

[wraith marsh]

H key (rare), D key (not too bad but still under 50%), C cell (really bad), good ammo spawn positions in a lot of zones

good surge and class 3 scans

[brittle schooner]

i assume split strat is clearing moms, finishing team scan for next zone, doing class 3 then splitting? or is it smthin else?

[hasty bobcat]

ngl

D close cell

is fine

[wraith marsh]

class 3 can lose so much time from bottom splits

D close cell does seem fine from what I Experienced last night

[mellow hedge]

class 3 first

then clear mom

[wraith marsh]

but is still like 5-10 seconds

[brittle schooner]

but what if e key?

[wraith marsh]

you dont run E key

[hasty bobcat]

reset

[mellow hedge]

reset lmao

[brittle schooner]

fair enuf

[wraith marsh]

hence why it sucks

[mellow hedge]

split strat runs d key

[wraith marsh]

FUCK resetting

[mellow hedge]

chill i think this is a partial reason you don tlike split

where as for me idc about resetting

[gaunt nacelle]

why warning? will a lot of people just come to the server?

[wraith marsh]

what we did last night was fine

which was only resetting for second key

my limit is when we start resetting for both keys

im not 0 tolerance, just low tolerance

[limber notch]

there's 1 point of rng in r3d1 - charger zone (key is just logs + reset so doesn't count). r5e1 has cell, key and ammo spawns. way more rng but the premise is the same

i'm not comparing them at face value

[mellow hedge]

for wr you dont need to reset for both keys

[limber notch]

i'm just saying that both runs at some point come down to just rng

[wraith marsh]

yeah apparently not

LOL

[mellow hedge]

lmao

id say its probably like a 1/4 for a D key

[wraith marsh]

I think that was the odds yea

so resetting for only that is fine

[mellow hedge]

in logs its a 1/3

but like

[wraith marsh]

and obv we dont reset when cell is bad we just play it out

[mellow hedge]

skewed a bit towards e

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[pseudo sedge]

nah, you can somewhat consistently get a sub 11 r3d1 every hour, sub 15 r5e1 we maybe get 1 ever....

[mellow hedge]

because if you game out the time loss isnt as big as charger

like ever

if charger plays super well you are always positive

[wraith marsh]

sub 15 r5e1 is like

[limber notch]

that doesn't refute my point... :P

[wraith marsh]

sub 10:20 r3d1

probably

[pseudo sedge]

nah

r5e1 surely is worse

keep in mind we had the rng for sub 10:20 r3d1 in less than 3 hours

[mellow hedge]

r5e1 is worse

[wraith marsh]

mmm yeah you probably right

[mellow hedge]

we ran for 4 hours

and had many many good paces

we almost had a 10:1x

[limber notch]

it is worse, but both are rng-dependant.

[mellow hedge]

genuinely might be a sub 10 thing

[mellow hedge]

sub 11?

[wraith marsh]

I could see it

[limber notch]

ye

[wraith marsh]

honestly im not fully sure on how much time is lost to scan rng on the alarms in r5e1

I know class 3 and surge get pretty bad

giant alarm is fairly consistent

[mellow hedge]

sub 11 is not that rng dependent

[limber notch]

but it still matters

[pseudo sedge]

I'm saying the rng is so far worse for r5e1 that u just cant compare. There's a massive difference in between a 30hour grind to get the rng for a run and then loose it cause one person made 1 fuckup vs spend 1 hour in r3d1 and get it. And you know you will get it because it is giga free

[limber notch]

^

[mellow hedge]

it matters in every level

[limber notch]

not really

[mellow hedge]

every level has rng

no matter what

[wraith marsh]

these days? yeah it matters on a lot of them

[limber notch]

unless you count logs reset as rng

[potent portal]

is failing the third mission 5 times a bad win rate?

[limber notch]

which i don't, it's barely a time loss

on easier levels you just run through

[pseudo sedge]

it's like saying "sub 4 r1a1 is rng" because u can in theory get a worst key + worst hsu

[mellow hedge]

even without logs, every level has rng

[limber notch]

there aren't many mistakes you can make

on r5e1 getting downed can be a huge time loss

but on like some a-b level

you're practically never getting down

if you play right

[pseudo sedge]

can confirm getting downed in r3d1 is a ~35sec timeloss xdddddd

[limber notch]

oof

[mellow hedge]

to a fucking charger scout

[wraith marsh]

charger scouts are scary man

[pseudo sedge]

the threat on A-B tier is not downed, it is loosing time cause of an unlucky spawn or some shit

[wraith marsh]

dont sleep on them

12 damage punch, almost a nightmare

• no tongue

[mellow hedge]

i actually didnt know their punch was actually dangerous

[wraith marsh]

I know from r7d2 mainly

[mellow hedge]

i thought it was like 4% lol

[wraith marsh]

bc everyone ignores them when they get pulled

[limber notch]

what unlucky spawns other than like keys can there be that matter that much? 🤔

[mellow hedge]

scans

enemy rng

[limber notch]

scans is fair

[pseudo sedge]

r4a3 for example has insane enemy rng

[limber notch]

idk about enemies

[mellow hedge]

then you havent speedrun enough

[pseudo sedge]

in r4a3 good enemy rng vs bad enemy rng can be a 20s difference

or maybe less

[wraith marsh]

brb going to class

[fringe garden]

charger scouts are very dangerous because they deal psychic dmg since they look like bbcs, causing misevaluation of threats

[hasty bobcat]

12??

is it the double punch

[mellow hedge]

TRUE

[mellow hedge]

their punch does 12

double punch is a whole ass giant lick

[hasty bobcat]

do they punch u ones?

cuz charger punch for 4

[limber notch]

i've watched a lot of speedruns and on all the a-b missions it doesn't seem like enemy spawns matter that much unless they're like totally atrocious and you can't run through normally

[hasty bobcat]

and they punch twice

[limber notch]

maybe it's a couple specific levels

i'd have to see for myself ig

[wraith marsh]

Watched the actual records or the process of getting them

[pseudo sedge]

they always seem like that when u just watch, but playing it and seeing a hybrid on the terminal u need to sit on knowing full well u cant just go on it since u will get insta downed and cant shoot either... is cooked

[fringe garden]

"i watched a lot of speedruns" ie the runs that actually made it through the rng filter

[wraith marsh]

Good way of putting it

[pseudo sedge]

and that run never gets posted: cause the player died and run is 1min behind if they kept goin

[junior latch]

charger zone is rng for survivial, not speed really
theres also noticeable scan rng

[wraith marsh]

The tolerance is generally higher on e tiers cuz dying is expected

But the timeless is the same

[hasty bobcat]

let's put it that way

WR rng

for r3d1 is better

speed comp rng

[limber notch]

that's fair. i didn't watch just the wr's but it will feel different to actually run it for sure

[hasty bobcat]

for r5e1 is better

much better

[wraith marsh]

There is simply less rng checks, correct

[gaunt nacelle]

sent a vid in media noby

i think Eva still suffers from PTSD lol

[limber notch]

yeah, that one is kind of tough

[junior latch]

this 100%
theres so so many runs that just die

[gaunt nacelle]

post a like 10 mins vid on just "how the run ended" type stuff

[mellow hedge]

watch our r8c2 speed and tell me what rng you think there is

[gaunt nacelle]

they said A-B tier

not C tier

average frosty moment

[mellow hedge]

okay well

i didnt read

anyway

[gaunt nacelle]

lol

[mellow hedge]

watching and actually doing is much different

[limber notch]

i did watch that one

[mellow hedge]

but you're wrong

[limber notch]

it has a shit ton of enemies, that's true

[mellow hedge]

is basically what im saying

[pseudo sedge]

frosty

r8a2

main only

enemy rng

[mellow hedge]

oh yeah

lmao

[hasty bobcat]

team what's the argument

[junior latch]

well its supposed to be a C tier

[gaunt nacelle]

RNG isnt that large in A-B tier

[junior latch]

but just look at R7A1 (meme level difficulty normally)

speedrun has 4 giants on path? well fuck neonate mover

[gaunt nacelle]

for speedruns

[hasty bobcat]

i can't believe

well obv

it's less rng

for best time

[mellow hedge]

what

no

[gaunt nacelle]

but there still is

[pseudo sedge]

depends on what u define as best time

[hasty bobcat]

A-B's usually get less rng checks

[pseudo sedge]

if it is theoretical best yes

[mellow hedge]

also saying "without logs" is like taking away 80% of rng

[pseudo sedge]

if it is world record no

[hasty bobcat]

theoretical

best inputs type beat

[mellow hedge]

"r1a1 without logs has no rng" FUCKING WHAT

[pseudo sedge]

then yea cause less rng checks

[rose nova]

if i dont look it doesnt exist

[pseudo sedge]

me resetting cause 1 scan decided to go front on the class 4

and we only had best key and D hsu

[hasty bobcat]

yeye

[junior latch]

r1a1 has scans and hsu 50/50

[hasty bobcat]

some rngs are still fucked

r1a1 is a great example

it depends on a level honestly

[pseudo sedge]

tho i will say: that is comparing to wr

because if we compare to theoretical: r1a1 is ~30s behind, (i think, eva can confirm?) while r5e1 is probably 2minutes and a half at least

[hasty bobcat]

yes

it is comparing to wr

[mellow hedge]

you can play literally every level without rng

you just

run

[pseudo sedge]

honestly r5e1 could be more

[wraith marsh]

So the argument is its easier to optimize easier levels

[pseudo sedge]

cause theoretical keys are mental

[wraith marsh]

?

[limber notch]

do more runs fail due to bad enemy rng or bad rng of other things? (scans, keys, cell pos)

[pseudo sedge]

not really....

cause what does optimizing mean...

[mellow hedge]

tgb theoretical A second key is a 1/150000

[pseudo sedge]

get close to absolute theoretical best? get close to humanly possible?

[mellow hedge]

enemy rng

by far

[pseudo sedge]

absolute time diff? relative time diff?

[limber notch]

fail as in "slower than WR", not just death?

[pseudo sedge]

there's not really a way to compare optimizing different levels in between eachother

[hasty bobcat]

enemy rng is cooked

[pseudo sedge]

just look at optimizing r1a1 vs optimizing r8e2 as the biggest opposing sides

[mellow hedge]

in r8c2?

[limber notch]

although ig one would have to analyze how much of a time sink bad enemy spawns do

[pseudo sedge]

they are literally almost different games

[limber notch]

a-b missions

[pseudo sedge]

at least when speedran

[mellow hedge]

bad enemy spawns

can end a run

door giant?

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[mellow hedge]

okay theres 10 seconds gone

[wraith marsh]

I still despise door breaks ngl

[junior latch]

R5A1 stam on a single surviving enemy is probably the worst rng for a single weak enemy

[wraith marsh]

One of my least favorite parts of speeds

[junior latch]

they can be used strategically and the break is sick in itself

[mellow hedge]

why

[limber notch]

i was thinking specifically enemy spawns but that's also a fair point lmao

especially if it's stuck on a box somewhere

[wraith marsh]

They're incredibly forcing

And very far removed from normal play

[junior latch]

tbf that is enemy spawns
where they spawn decides what will wake

[pseudo sedge]

honestly i like having to figure out which doors u afford to break and which u dont

[mellow hedge]

but like

yeah idek lmao

[junior latch]

yes
thats speedrunning

[wraith marsh]

Ye

[limber notch]

speedrunning was never close to normal gameplay

[pseudo sedge]

am i the only one who views speedrunning this game as a resource management simulator?

[limber notch]

unless the game was made for speedrunning

[pseudo sedge]

with resetting?

[junior latch]

yea thats always fun
especially if its with stam management

[fringe garden]

this game is a resource management game

the resources are just unintuitive

[limber notch]

hp, ammo, tool

it's pretty intuitive, no?

[junior latch]

and time

[limber notch]

how to manage them properly can be hard ofc

but hard =/= unintuitive

[junior latch]

also

sanity

[pseudo sedge]

stamina, time, probably more

[fringe garden]

space, stam, reload

[pseudo sedge]

but i cant name them off rn

cause i need to shower

[junior latch]

space is fair
stam is fair
reload is just time

[pseudo sedge]

safety is another one

safety/risk

[junior latch]

some stuff just correlates in interesting ways

[limber notch]

risk* is just lack of resources

[fringe garden]

reload is different from time because sometimes you have downtime where reload doesn't matter

[junior latch]

if you rly wanna break it down

R8C2 is a good example

we do approach some stiff in a safer manner, dropping time
but we safe res, safety and later down the line, time

[pseudo sedge]

nah look r3d1 charger zone for example our playstyle (10:35 vs a 10:50) that pulls slower the charger zone and doesnt full gamba

[junior latch]

downtime = time surplus

so you are spending time (reloading) when you have a surplus of it

[wraith marsh]

This is where the blackhops come in

[fringe garden]

so true

[hasty bobcat]

yes !!

[wraith marsh]

Spending stam over time

[junior latch]

R2B2 is a good example of risk but no lack of resources

risk (hp)

gain (time)

[junior latch]

the issue for them being that they only use the stam once you stop

[wraith marsh]

Risk is just heightened resource spending in general

[junior latch]

the most interesting risks imo are risking time, for time

[limber notch]

isn't that just trading hp for time? it's not like risk is a separate resource but the act of taking risks is an act of managing resources

but i'm getting pedantic

[pseudo sedge]

risk is the chance to spend more resources for gaining time usually

[junior latch]

well you dont intentionally trade hp in r2b2

[pseudo sedge]

which resource u spend depends on situation

[junior latch]

but its honestly semantics

[pseudo sedge]

ehhhh

[junior latch]

also tgb

answer my dm

[pseudo sedge]

yea maybe this is correct

[limber notch]

you don't intentionally loose hp when you melee enemies but shooting them is generally safer so you're trading potential hp loss for ammo

[worn kiln]

yeah summin like that

[limber notch]

semanctics is fair

how long is the r5e1 comp gonna last btw?

[junior latch]

probably 1 week again

[limber notch]

i'm gonna cry

[pseudo sedge]

god damn

our team is gonna have only 2 sessions at best xddd

[wraith marsh]

Should be plenty

[junior latch]

2 at best is stretching it
it might be 1

[wraith marsh]

Frosty is trained up already

[junior latch]

but yea

sub 20

[pseudo sedge]

idc about challenge

i wanna convince eva that wr is worth it xddddd

[junior latch]

I mean im down to run it at some point for DA TIME

but you know we have unoptimized stuff left

R5C1, R5D1 and such

[pseudo sedge]

just like r3d1 right??? - anyway imma go cry in the shower

[worn kiln]

how long would the competition have to be for you to have time for more runs

[junior latch]

yes

[junior latch]

2 weeks xD

[pseudo sedge]

yea 2 weeks... we are cooked for a while

[worn kiln]

hmmm

[junior latch]

our group has to meet in our mornings and australian evening. But im busy during the whole week at that time

but its fine @worn kiln we should get it

and if we dont then we just skill issued

[limber notch]

i wish it started like a month later 😭

[worn kiln]

i mean theres no reason for it to be one week specifically

it was just the time period i decided when i first did one

really it could be a whole month

[gaunt nacelle]

soy whens the next speedrun event after this one?

[worn kiln]

june

[gaunt nacelle]

might be able to send in a time for that one

[junior latch]

I think a month is just too long

june??

[limber notch]

a months is less FOMO, bad for business

[junior latch]

damn

[worn kiln]

yeah i wouldnt actually do that

[junior latch]

fair

[silver spade]

[worn kiln]

but it would work in theory

[junior latch]

oh wait

[worn kiln]

yk what i mean

[junior latch]

I read that as challenge as a whole

[gaunt nacelle]

lol

[wraith marsh]

2 weeks prolly fine right

[worn kiln]

oh yea i just mean speedrun

there will be a non speedrun comp in may

[gaunt nacelle]

and no sneak peeks im guessing

[worn kiln]

we can try two weeks for this comp and see how people find it

[worn kiln]

yeah but only because i dont have an idea for it yet lol

[junior latch]

I swear

people are just not gonna run it

[gaunt nacelle]

lol

[junior latch]

even tho theres like 80 votes

[wraith marsh]

True

[gaunt nacelle]

i wanna run it but i need an avengers level team lol

[junior latch]

Id guess 3 true teams
some fill ins

and then maybe some trying to get carried

[gaunt nacelle]

(me on that last one)

[limber notch]

tbf, r5e1 is a spike in difficulty compared to r3d1

so way less people will be competent enough to run it without getting carried

[wraith marsh]

I think we've done ok building interest

[worn kiln]

theres always gonna be less people running when it comes to an E tier

[limber notch]

interest is not an issue as much as required skill level

[mellow hedge]

soy you should have a sub 15 role

surely

[worn kiln]

plus the first one probably had more people running cuz it was the first time, and it was to comemorate speedrunning channel shutting down

[worn kiln]

from what ive heard that would be miserable to run for

[gaunt nacelle]

Speaking of which why did it shut down?

[limber notch]

if it was like an a/b/c level speedrun, there'd be way more people even attempting most likely (assuming the time threshold is reasonable)

but also not as fun most likely

[worn kiln]

cuz it wasnt getting used

[gaunt nacelle]

Oh

Fairs ig

[worn kiln]

it will almost always appeal to either newbie speedrunners or veteran speedrunners, hard to appeal to both

[wraith marsh]

Sub 15 would actually be 1-2 groups

[mellow hedge]

this is why i said one POV isnt really great

[junior latch]

I mean
thats not quite true

[mellow hedge]

I personally would enjoy it a lot

[junior latch]

PPOV?

[limber notch]

well, you're already doing that by making multiple roles tbf

[worn kiln]

so you'd enjoy running an A tier?

[junior latch]

Soy

[wraith marsh]

Lol

[limber notch]

it could also be a different kind of challenge (with specific loadouts / restrictions)

[mellow hedge]

LOL

[worn kiln]

I was gonna say R1A1

but i already know the answer to that

[limber notch]

crouch only, no flaslight, no melee

🙂

[junior latch]

thats legit the only A tier record I dont have

I am probably one of the mentally deranged people whod do that

[worn kiln]

yeah but funny roles in a server thats slowly dying can only be so much of an incentive

[limber notch]

make the funny roles have funny colors

[worn kiln]

they do

[limber notch]

heeh?

[worn kiln]

but im limited on colour options

[limber notch]

i'm uncolored :P

or are you talking about the new ones

[junior latch]

yea you have the small role

[worn kiln]

see your second part represents why it would be somewhat hard

[gaunt nacelle]

Most of us plebs are

[junior latch]

R1A1 specifically is just not great

[worn kiln]

challenge veteran is uncoloured

[junior latch]

theres great A or B tiers for general runs

[worn kiln]

challenge sage and the new role are coloured but limited time

[limber notch]

ah

ic

[worn kiln]

yeah but to a new speedrunner who doesnt know stuff like that, it would probably be just as fun as any A tier

anyway, moot point cuz who cares

i dont really care about appealing to everyone

[limber notch]

appealing to everyone never works

[junior latch]

R2B2, R3B2, R4A2pe, R4B1sec, R5A2pe, R6B1, R8B2, R8A2sec, R8B4 (altho tbf, the last 2 here are rly C and D tier)

[junior latch]

yesnt

theres better choices. Trust me
I know this

R1A1 has very very stupid rng

ranging from a 2:30 to 4:00

other levels have far smaller and less bs (also in % for rng) differences

say R3A1

or R8A1

the latter even has a small lil trick at least

[idle egret]

tutorial, because the bat is wacky

[junior latch]

tutorial time settings would just be fucked

4:06 and 4:09?

lol

[pure belfry]

R5A1 100%

[idle egret]

i think I got a 4:17 but I was fighting the bat mechanics more than anything else

[hasty bobcat]

what's tutorial rng

[junior latch]

fuck that

[hasty bobcat]

enemy rotation?

or prob just a bunch of small stuff tgt

[junior latch]

frames
enemy position rotation (marginal)
box res spawns (marginal)

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[idle egret]

me because the bat is goofy

[pure belfry]

Secondary is truly something special for optimal circumstances

[sacred juniper]

109775240930550791

join up need two more

[hasty bobcat]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[sharp owl]

The R5E1 lurkers have awakened

[rose nova]

guys the admin pinged eveeryone what thee fuck

[worn kiln]

cry about it

[burnt flume]

gtfo speedrunning channel will be open, he said

[gaunt nacelle]

Can I submit a run >50 mins?

[worn kiln]

uh

no

i mean you can submit them to speedrun.com

[gaunt nacelle]

😔

[gaunt nacelle]

But not docs

[worn kiln]

but for the comp it wouldnt really make sense to allow them cuz there wouldnt be any role given

i also made a question which you have to answer with "sub 50" "sub 25" or "sub 20" so youd hit a hurdle with that

im sure you can find a team to get sub 50 with

if i can do it, anyone can

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea but you have rep

I have like pubs

Anyways I’ll see what I can do

[mellow hedge]

ask in the speedrunning channel or in the speedrunning discord

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs

[shut vapor]

[sharp owl]

Going to miss super pregnant man reacting when I lose Nitro…

🫃

My beloved~

[shut vapor]

:3

[gaunt nacelle]

I want nitro just for that tbh

[sharp owl]

Thank you ;3

[dapper thistle]

W

[pure belfry]

@gaunt nacelle when are we doing R6BX

[gaunt nacelle]

Uhhhhhh not rn

Am kinda eepy

But uhhh like 16 hours¿

Tbh I might be busy with the speedrunning thingy unless it’s in like 16 hours

[pure belfry]

fair enough the speedrunning takes priority

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea we are still getting a team together

[mellow hedge]

when sub 15

[pure belfry]

when R5A1 100%

[gaunt nacelle]

Lemme get the precise number rq

[gaunt nacelle]

(When you and co carry me)

So yea 16:00 for my time which is in 15 hours

[pure belfry]

I don't need a carry perse, just cant do the level solo. I can most likely reasonably contribute in a team

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea we will pub it most likely

But ik my way around it

At least the part before checkpoint

After that

Might be a bit 🥴

[pure belfry]

pubbing a sub 15 of R5E1 sounds like a bad time

[gaunt nacelle]

Oh you were talking about that

Thought you meant R6BX lmao

[pure belfry]

we can duo R6BX

[gaunt nacelle]

If you want

[pure belfry]

including this

[gaunt nacelle]

Yeyeye

But wait quick question

I think I forgor our first talk about this icl