gtfo-chat

[night heron]

I'll try thx

[sharp owl]

hi im new to the game, whats the best rundown for beginners?

[junior latch]

R1 is the most simple and easiest, since its the first one to be made. It wont overwhelm you with features. Also makes sense chronologically
R3 is also quite simple but has more interesting levels. It introduces new mechanics from Rundown 2 well and introduces a new enemy in exchange for not showing another 2 off.
R6 is the best of the newer Rundowns for Beginners. It has probably the most interesting levels if you want some variety and unique stuff. But it also throws a lot more at the players quicker. Plus it has optional objectives that may confuse new players.

[sharp owl]

thanks alos does the game have controller support cause im trying to get it to work and it just inst

[wispy bluff]

I don't think it does for a simple reason that it makes you incapable interacting with terminals

Which - in case of some levels - is effectively a softlock

[sharp owl]

i have a keybord

and i could just tell my friends to type

[analog flicker]

There's partial support iirc

I never looked too much into the gamepad controls

I've only encountered 1 genuine controller player in my time playing gtfo

[sharp owl]

i got it working

[analog flicker]

I should say. 1 controller player that is good at gtfo.

[sharp owl]

i also got the gyro to be mouse

thnaks so much for your help!

[cloud badger]

what do you guys think are the best main and special weapons to use

[outer lantern]

hel rev, SNIPER BABYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[sharp owl]

man

i wanna love burst pistol but i cant because it doesn't shoot fast enough

it needs less of a delay between shots

[tranquil crow]

Don't get caught up trying to use the "best" weapon. You should try them all and learn which are more situational or universal. It is very rare for your weapon load out to be the greatest factor of success or failure. Otherwise you can scroll up to find this same rehashed conversation every week if want to read opinions.

[cloud badger]

alright, thanks

[junior latch]

yup
Try it all

For main weapons theres a bit of variation depending on what you want. But for Special weapons it rly depends on the purpose you are picking it for.
So while there are stand outs its better to know what they do well or not. And then try them

[sharp owl]

best main: hel revolver
best special: burst cannon

that said

use whatever you like most 96.7% of the time it's fine

[wraith marsh]

so close

[sharp owl]

burst canon has the best ammo efficiency ever

you just need to be a god

[wraith marsh]

nah, pen still better

[sharp owl]

so hel gun?

[wraith marsh]

rn its between hel gun and scatter

[sharp owl]

hm

[wraith marsh]

cant really say which is better cuz theyre opposite roles

[junior latch]

its kinda sad that hel revo hasnt rly budged since ever
meanwhile specials change around a lot

[sharp owl]

cannon does both

best

[junior latch]

worse

[sharp owl]

:(

[wraith marsh]

I mean, most of the big boys in specials were readded

while hel revo was there since forever

[junior latch]

burst cannon is rly good tho yes

hmm

[sharp owl]

with hel gun do you just bodyshot and pen

or are you supposed to hit the head

[junior latch]

even then tho, hel revo just doesnt get touched (aside from a reload cancel nerf)

[outer lantern]

head

[visual lily]

Can do both

[wraith marsh]

mix ye

[pine root]

it depends on what value you get

[honest rune]

pablo going up ladders....wtf

hes so cute i love him

[quaint cairn]

what would they even do though, feels pretty solid to me

[junior latch]

wdym pretty solid?

[sharp owl]

remove pen

watch the world burn

[junior latch]

the guns been pretty much the best since og r4

[quaint cairn]

thats what im saying, if they improve anything it would make it too good

[sharp owl]

remove reload cancel from it

[wispy bluff]

Reload cancel. Its gotta go.

[sharp owl]

gotem

[wispy bluff]

Pretty much balanced gun after that, maybe.

What do they call it? The thing it says on the back of the package?

Claimed properties or something like that?

[sharp owl]

what package

[junior latch]

?
we are talking about it not being nerfed tho

[honest rune]

hes stuck

[quaint cairn]

in that case i would say it cant really be nerfed either because noobs suck at using it

[wispy bluff]

You know, the thing they say when the product they receive is not actually what they were buying

[sharp owl]

false advertising?

[quaint cairn]

nerf it too much and people wont want to learn it

[wispy bluff]

Almost

[sharp owl]

patents?

intellectual property?

[wraith marsh]

I agree with tru, im happy its hel revo that is the meta weapon

so much skill expression

[junior latch]

agree

[wispy bluff]

Deceptive marketing, something like that.

What i'm saying is: 2.3 reload speed i see on the wiki is pretty much 0.1s away from what Bullpup's reload was and is right now. You know... The reload everyone and their mother hated.

HEL Rev makes perfect sense with that reload. Lots of power, but you gotta take a break.

[sharp owl]

reload canceling is stupid anyway

[wispy bluff]

But then players just... Fixed that.

[sharp owl]

you shouldn't be able to reload cancel and fire faster, do what counter strike does and make the timer a hard cap

it just unbalances weapons

and there's no reason to have it

in cs you can reload cancel and it doesn't change how fast you shoot after

[junior latch]

it can be skill expression

[sharp owl]

then it must be uniform across all weapons

[junior latch]

and well

at this point they tend to balance with it in mind somehow

[junior latch]

no

[sharp owl]

ye

i think

[fresh shoal]

when does steam maintenence end

[junior latch]

not all weapons have pen either

[wispy bluff]

To be fair: i can imagine it feeling unresponsive when your character clearly already reloaded the weapons, but WHOOPS you switched the weapon 1 frame too early - gotta put those 8 bullets into that chamber AGAIN

[sharp owl]

do what counter strike does

[quaint cairn]

usually only takes like 10 min

[sharp owl]

solltion has existed for a decade

sollution

you can have both

you can swap weapons early and not take advantage of it

[wispy bluff]

I'm not super versed in how counter strike works, but i think its related to weapons' unholstering speed and having to go through unholster animation instead.

[analog flicker]

Reminded me of how the only time I ever see someone (MakoCho_)
Reload cancel shotgun is whenever they switch to bio.
Otherwise they do the full shotgun Reload.

[wispy bluff]

And it just happens to be long enough to counter any and all reload cancels.

[sharp owl]

nah

https://youtu.be/m5crwOnT-NA

game dev has this problem where your problems have already been solved elsewhere

but there's just so many games that you can't possibly find the solutions

[wispy bluff]

Hm.

[sharp owl]

yeah just do that for this game

[keen elbow]

fuck

[sharp owl]

problem solved

[keen elbow]

i tried removing a bot because its so slow to come to scan

and then it wouldn't let me re-add him

that'll teach me to try to cheese i guess

[sharp owl]

or

if you really want to go for gold you can do with titanfall 2 did

(my beloved)

and break up reloads into stages

So each weapon has seperate parts to its reload, and you can keep reloading from where you left off

[wispy bluff]

Oh yeah, i remember that...

[quaint cairn]

ttf2 was ahead of its time

criminally underated

[sharp owl]

tf2's skill ceiling is way too high

it's actually a problem

It's not a balanced game so if you take high skill and combine it with the best loadouts you get something that's better at killing players than an aimbot would be

Some people are so insane at that game that you literally can't play

they don't allow you

[quaint cairn]

i would consider that more a problem with matchmaking than the game

having lots of room to improve is a positive to me

[sharp owl]

it could certainly use better balance

some loadouts are just disgusting

like fast regen + phase shift

my god

you basically have 2 lives whenever you run that because of how the regeneration timer works

add like car or volt on top of that and you are a god

you just dont die

this is from someone with 1000 hours in

[wispy bluff]

CAR is the only problem really

[sharp owl]

There was a comp player (i think) called nookiecluk and he would make entire lobbies rage quit with that loadout

people thought he was hacking

but he was just cracked + used the best stuff

[wispy bluff]

I didn't mind Volt. The pin-point accuracy makes it so that you actually have to aim well with it, and its' DPS is actually the worst in the SMG family.

[sharp owl]

yeah the range is just very good so you can cross map people

[wispy bluff]

Its like... An actual balanced trade-off.

The CAR though is fucking braindead

Nah, its fine, just hip-fire spray me across the map.

[sharp owl]

just like what volt does

or alternator

but anyway, the balance could use some work

curbstomping is a problem with tf2

[wispy bluff]

Again: those 2 actually require accuracy. Alternator punishes the misses harshly and Volt is too accurate even. CAR just fucks off

Insane fire rate, innapropriate hipfire accuracy, magazine lasts forever and then reloads in like 0.3 of a second with the perk.

And people dare to say something about Spitfire.

[sharp owl]

it's funny what people think is overpowered vs what's actually OP

oh tone is so op

[wispy bluff]

Eh

[sharp owl]

meanwhile ronin mains

[wispy bluff]

There is a point there

I once did a little funny experiment

[sharp owl]

if you early drop a ronin and the pilot is skilled you just win

[wispy bluff]

I refused to sprint or zoom with tone

Just walk and hipfire

i ended up #1 MVP

[sharp owl]

then you were playing with bad enemies if you were winning

Ion and ronin wreck you

ronin has no counter and ion neither

i have ptsd from cracked ronin mains

[wispy bluff]

Just shoot it in general direction of the enemy - be it titan or pilot.
Titans are big enough that the hipfire spray ends up not mattering.
Neither matters for pilots because either:
A) You hit him and he dies
or
B) You just get him with explosions which just need to be "close enough"

[sharp owl]

eeeeeh

it's good against pilots yes

[wispy bluff]

Tone to Titanfall is what Hammer is to melees around here.

[sharp owl]

nope

nuh uh

that's ronin

or ion

depends on how good the player is

ion for most ronin for the few gods

ronin is a titan who can just instantly accelerate to 90kph and catch your ass or flank

like you hit 5 wallkicks and are running away from the titan to save your sorry ass

and the ronin doesn't care

[wispy bluff]

It just does too much. At almost any range except mega long. Pilots, titans - don't care, both get the 40mm.
Oh, you're trying to hide from me? I have a pre-instaleld wallhack for an ability.
Oh, you're trying to damage me? I have an inpenetrapable wall that lasts for like 10 seconds with that one perk.

[sharp owl]

i wish i had my old tf2 clips

[wispy bluff]

Fightings tones is just a chore... Unless you're a ronin, who's their natural hunter.

[maiden kayak]

guys what is the code for R8A2 locked terminal?

do u guys know?

[sharp owl]

@lost lynx

[wispy bluff]

was YQJ5W-2H8M7 last time

[sharp owl]

wtf his name isn't the full password

[wispy bluff]

Heh...

[maiden kayak]

@wispy bluff thank you very much sir

[wispy bluff]

Anyway, you know what really grinded me gears about tone? How useless that burst fire perk was. Literally 0 reasons to run it.

[sharp owl]

yeh

i'm around g11 with tone and i can say it's a solid pick but not the king

[wispy bluff]

In theory it should be a fun perk as it allows you to quickly get the full 3 hit stack for an easy rocket barrage. But the pre-loading mechanic was the death of it and it completely ruined the point, and then ON TOP OF THAT it also nerfs your hipfire fire rate by like 40-50%, so you become useless at close range and all it takes to kill you is to just push you.

Maybe if hipfire wasn't untouched it would be like... Fine.

[sharp owl]

reinforced particle wall stays winning

[wispy bluff]

Yeah. Cursed perk.

[south peak]

Hi. Can you give any tips on how to pass R8E2 with Ex?

[wispy bluff]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat is probably best for that

[south peak]

Thanks

[keen elbow]

i think i have dedicated 20 hours to r2d2...

[sharp owl]

i hope you're holding at the bridge

[keen elbow]

i feel despair

yeah...its just wave 5+ when you gotta go into other rooms

where it gets dicey...

[lunar thicket]

its always nice when you do missions solo with the wacky bots ai

[keen elbow]

i'm this close to caving in

and just asking for a hard carry

[sharp owl]

may i simply recommend another level

you dont need to keep beating your head on the same concrete wall over and over

there are other walls as well, made from softer materials

[flat perch]

would be cool if the bots weren't dependent on steam. long ways into r8c2, and suddenly have fun doing it without bio and a sentry less... " 😦 "..

good old ogr5 duo days were coming back but not skill enough. meh.

[compact lintel]

So me and a friend are a good way through a level and we're trying to get another friend to join but he cant.
Is there a point in levels where people cant join anymore?

[flat perch]

nope, u are post steam maintenance.

steam doesnt know your lobby anymore, your game is unjoinable, im afraid. if u lock a bot, it wont rejoin. it has no lobby to join to. 😦

tue-wed around midnight ish europe is hell on long runs of gtfo.

[compact lintel]

lovely. I'm bouta find a telephone pole to make love with my car

[flat perch]

every week for ~3 years or more..

still ample time to reset tho. night is young 2:50am zZz

[serene jewel]

but

tone sucks

you can literally dash evade the rockets

the only thing still strong on it imo is the core

ronin de facto the most op with skill because of how bullshit sword block is

[keen elbow]

I have something PERSONAL against this wall

[high orchid]

what are you struggling with in the level specifically? @keen elbow

[serene jewel]

I just did r2d2 yesterday lol

my 2nd run anyway

you gotta be really careful with the scouts in the rooms

and you need to know when to just abandon looking for your objective and hold for the next wave

cause getting pincered in a room full of giants and scouts is not fun

[flat perch]

r2d2 is a bit much ye, one late wave can turn into a yuuge problem

[lilac remnant]

yo how do u get one of your own Team #_ channels before sending a lfg message ?

[serene jewel]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1176227735501275247

you click on that

[lilac remnant]

thanks appreciate it

[serene jewel]

it will auto-generate a team for you

idk why that isn't added to the channel list by default, it should be

[keen elbow]

sometimes the quality of the pug is just not great and theres not much we can do about it

when we're all working well together it just gets dicey in the scout rooms at the end

[serene jewel]

are you matchmaking

[keen elbow]

done a little of both

[serene jewel]

or using the lfgs

[keen elbow]

mm and discord groups

[serene jewel]

oh

[keen elbow]

surprisingly i got to wave 10 with mm

[serene jewel]

I've never used mm, it never worked with me

[keen elbow]

group of i think chinese players that worked well together

[serene jewel]

and I've heard lots of horror stories from the scrubs who play it

[keen elbow]

we just ran out of turret ammo on wave 10...

couldn't hold out 😦

mm is definitely a mixed bag

but i do like the randomness sometimes

a big problem i've had with lfg-beginners is sometimes i will get a really laggy host from the other side of th e world

and then everything stops moving for about a minute and then i'm randomly down 😦

[junior latch]

Could always do normal lfgs

instead of beginners

[keen elbow]

ye i've been trying north america lfg

[junior latch]

it changes player group tho ye

[serene jewel]

when I do this I just look at the connection quality of the discord call

it's usually a good indicator

although I've had terrible desync on both green/orange connections so it really just depends on the host

[floral summit]

quick question regarding the controlled response achievement, when it says solo im assuming bots negate that? and what are some good b missions to run?

[burnt flume]

no bots allowed, I think most people have either run r1b1, r1b2, or r6b1

r1b1 is probably the easiest but maybe the most boring, r1b2 has more alarms than b1 but it's less boring, and then r6b1 idrk I don't run that mission

[floral summit]

gotcha thanks for the info, i figured r1b1 would be easiest but i hate the tedium of looking for all the id cards lol

[burnt flume]

yep, that's why I did r1b2 instead

granted I've had plenty of experience with holding alarms solo, can be pretty rough for people with less experience

[floral summit]

i have plenty of bio speed boosters, since we dont run them when i play with friends so i may just run b2 then

[burnt flume]

hm, I guess you could, but I think it's exclusively small red scans

[serene jewel]

I think I might run cpu speed sniper or something

[burnt flume]

so bioscan speed is probably not as impactful as weapon damage or damage resist or other boosters

[serene jewel]

yea

[fierce vortex]

Are artifacts present in every Rundown?

[serene jewel]

yep

[burnt flume]

yep, every level of every rundown

if you need me to explain in great depth artifacts and boosters then I can before I go sleep

[serene jewel]

no

[floral summit]

gotcha, regardless i have capped all of them so i can get rid of some ideally lol

[burnt flume]

good luck soldier

[fierce vortex]

I was just wondering since I've been wondering whether I should play the older Rundowns despite having already done the original versions of them before they were remade.

[sharp siren]

going back for boosters 🤮

just use perfect boosters like a normal person

[high orchid]

there's achievements connected to the older rundowns so if you care about that you need to go back

[sharp siren]

are you talking about older buils or you mean just playing trough the alts

?

[high orchid]

alts

[sharp siren]

then disregard everything i say

im on crack

[burnt flume]

stop thinking about r5 provisions

they will never know

[lusty river]

Where is my terminal use booster 😔

[high orchid]

nah who cares about the r5 provisions I want that terminal speed booster

[sharp siren]

^

or my glowstick activated one

[lost lynx]

Holy shit thanks for noticing+

fixed it

if someone else asks for thge password just ping me again

[tribal parcel]

Can you do me a favor? Just accept this invitation, up to $50 for each of us!!
https://temu.com/s/BDmPlpoLgWRQp8c

[lost lynx]

@wicked solstice

weird link

[balmy moat]

Temu moment

[sharp siren]

50 DOLLAS

!!!!!

[tall pewter]

so true

[burnt flume]

Ahhh sick I can finally buy some skirts and thigh highs

Cheers lad

[lost lynx]

did someone said

thighs?

[burnt flume]

For my eyes only.

[latent palm]

you were always on crack

[clever crow]

hey im new anybody wanna team up?

[lusty river]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[keen elbow]

so shadows come in giant flavor too

great

[blissful dome]

yes

and scout

:3

<3

[keen elbow]

wha-

why

[blissful dome]

i mean

[keen elbow]

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS

[blissful dome]

theyre still easy to kill

[rose nova]

smh spoiling

[blissful dome]

:C

[wicked solstice]

bro ok giant shadows been in the game since like april of 2020

technically March 2020 but E1 wasn't unlocked yet

[rose nova]

bro ok there's literally a newbie here that just figured em out don't tell em the next one lol

i wasn't even talkin of the big

i was talkin of the one ufo said

[wicked solstice]

ohhhh ik

ok

[rose nova]

smh not reading in context

lol

[blissful dome]

whats context

:C

[blissful dome]

you talk about old jokes but smh

||you are an old jo-||

[rose nova]

eat my old nuts

[blissful dome]

:C

This is harassment

[rough rover]

need 2 ?

[blissful dome]

lfg?

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[latent palm]

wait what

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[latent palm]

@rose nova

[rough rover]

yes i have 1

[blissful dome]

check #how-to-matchmake

autofill trolling me

[rose nova]

read in context too also wow u back

[blissful dome]

you just noticed?

:P

[latent palm]

you sound surprised

[blissful dome]

dam

[rose nova]

i've been off discord like 4 days

they joined in those

[blissful dome]

skill issue

[rose nova]

u old

[blissful dome]

<3

ily

[rose nova]

cómeme los wabs

[blissful dome]

:<

[latent palm]

zoomers

[blissful dome]

you old

old

could not imagine

being so close to death

[latent palm]

stfu im not that old

[blissful dome]

old

aging

dying

ancient

fossil

[latent palm]

[blissful dome]

:3

[latent palm]

[blissful dome]

<3

[latent palm]

go back and do your finals

damn slave

[blissful dome]

:C

[neat compass]

We need one more person for R1C1 anyone down?

109775244607927493

[blissful dome]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[neat compass]

I cant do the north america and stuff

[blissful dome]

??????????????

[kind sable]

hi does anyone want to play? i want to clear some stages

nvm im blind

[blissful dome]

its too late

[blissful dome]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[kind sable]

sorryyy

[blissful dome]

<3

[latent palm]

real

[kind sable]

can i join other region if theres no response from asia

[blissful dome]

Yep

Just note that since gtfo is p2p you may have slight lag

[serene jewel]

Peer to peer not pay to play

[upper tinsel]

I mean you need to buy the game to play so 😔

[serene jewel]

God damn it I knew someone would say that

[pale zephyr]

Most people remember "Warden Restriction" in R2, where the community had to come together to unlock those locked levels. That was a fun time

Had high hopes they would care that feature over to more rundowns, but it got canned

[shut vapor]

Was truly a sad time, same with the timer

[pale zephyr]

GTFO had so so much potential

[shut vapor]

I remember going home on the bus and seeing my friends showing me a picture of a timer in r4

Good days

[pale zephyr]

mhm

In the old "about the Rundowns" Simon mention weekly and monthly rundowns

but we see where that ended up

[shut vapor]

Eh

[gilded sail]

Had

Long gone now

[pale zephyr]

Oops meant to say that lol. Yeah

Imo GTFO should’ve tried the weekly and monthly rundowns. Weekly could’ve just had be normal gameplay loop. No needed story telling, weapons, etc. maybe just a few cosmetic. Monthly could’ve been the main deal. New enemies, weapons, story etc

[gilded sail]

Dunno howd that work out from development perspective

Just a more decent story, more achievements and less bugs

And the old stuff people talking about. ( d2 being locked etc)

I wish I was around back then lol

[pale zephyr]

Maybe “more hacking mini games” don’t think I forgot about that in the road map

[gilded sail]

Saved all those for new game I bet

Bahah

[pale zephyr]

Idk, I just wish they did better. So many cut corners, wasted ideas, and poor execution

I was interested in the old story they had. A bunch of scavengers/ prisoners being forced by the warden to do all these near impossible task, why trying to find away to escape

But no, aliens, different time lines, and brain washed humans used as slaves

I’ll be ready for the GTFO reference in DOW tho

I did find the brain washing interesting, but once we started teleporting around and switching time lines that’s when I lost hope for the story

[honest rune]

tbh as someone who only played the open beta and then picked the game back up 3-4 weeks ago I'm impressed how far its come, but yeah i am a little lost with the time switching stuff, ive only done portions of r5, r6 and most of r7

main thing im struggling to follow is alt vs non alt stuff

[pale zephyr]

I’ve been with the game since then too. They had an interesting story to unpack but in the end it looked rushed

[sleek hatch]

are there any Japanese people here?

[pale zephyr]

R6 we just go to some random place

This whole plot is like a Rick and Morty episode plot

[honest rune]

Yeah fair enough. I was hoping to see like some radiation inspired stuff with all the reactor type levels? but again what I've played is splotchy

Hoping to to back to r1-4 after my groups done with 8

I enjoy interdimensional shenanigans when done right, not seen enough of the wmp/data cube stuff yet to decide if I like it here or not though

[pale zephyr]

Buckle up for it

[honest rune]

a small part of me was hoping for infected dinosaurs when i heard the location at the start of the game though imagine

[pale zephyr]

Hm

[keen elbow]

Looked at a guide for r2e1

I'm scared already...

[sharp owl]

The problem with r2e1 is that everyone needs to know what they doing

You need to carry 3 items while going through rooms with an error alarm

And it's not exactly hard but difficult to coordinate

And annoying

[fast nacelle]

english player on rnÉ

looking for someone to play with

[sharp owl]

Look in LFG beginners for a mission and join

Or create your own VC

[fast nacelle]

i got the game today

[sharp owl]

Welcome to the wonderful world of suffering

[fast nacelle]

this shi scary

[latent palm]

dont listen to this elblowguy

[fast nacelle]

but fr anyone wanna play

[sharp owl]

Yes many people

[latent palm]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[fast nacelle]

huh

[sharp owl]

What

[latent palm]

[blissful dome]

Elbows troll

[sharp owl]

[blissful dome]

Spreads misinfo

[sharp owl]

I am not troll

[blissful dome]

<3

[latent palm]

[sharp owl]

Promis

[latent palm]

he is very troll

[sharp owl]

Game hard for beginners ok

Non

[latent palm]

PR enjoyer

[blissful dome]

Elbows gonna say something absolutely balls

Like

Short rifle good

[latent palm]

Spoiler elbow

[sharp owl]

🅱️alls

[blissful dome]

Or smth

[unreal crystal]

balls

[sharp owl]

Short rifle is a meme

[blissful dome]

Elbows gonna spoil the whole game

[sharp owl]

Batman dies in r4e1

[blissful dome]

Every piece of lore

See

uwu

<3

[latent palm]

superman flies in R6D1

[sharp owl]

Lmao

[blissful dome]

So?

[sharp owl]

We go deep sea fishing with the boys in d1

[blissful dome]

Yes

[sharp owl]

Catch a record breaking squid

[blissful dome]

Yo spoilers

[latent palm]

see?

real

[jade iron]

wdym that's like the best part of r2

[wraith marsh]

d2 better

[jade iron]

d2 better as an overall level

but e1 error is hype

[sharp owl]

The only hype thing about e1 is the end screen

Surge alarms i don't like
Error alarms while stealthing I don't like
Infection I don't like
Carrying objects I don't like

Oh also shadows I don't like

When I don't have pr

Surge alarms are fun because you get to shoot an endless amount of enemies but also shooting them is bad because it's pointless

Stealthing the shadows is pretty fun and tense

[unreal crystal]

One day I’ll play with you…

[burnt isle]

What you mean by that

[unreal crystal]

r2e1 lobbies with me are always so epic

Fun level

[barren tree]

Fuck R2E1

Worst level I’ve ever played

[pine root]

#gtfo-chat message

This you ?

[barren tree]

Literally

I take back what I said

It sucks

[pine root]

XD but it was so challenging and fun

[barren tree]

Up until error alarm at the end

🗿

[junior latch]

That is the fun part tho

[wispy bluff]

It is not.

[opal thorn]

it is

high octane, adrenaline and the only difficult part of the expedition

even more fun when you don't open supply room beforehand

[wispy bluff]

Things to improve (one of) :

• no error;
• no carry 3 objective items;
• delete the vertical maze of caves;
• remove surge from the fog pit.

All 4 at once are just a dick move, honestly.

[opal thorn]

it's an e tier

[junior latch]

drop the fog turbine asap and you fine

[shut vapor]

Who even uses fog turbines these days

[wispy bluff]

Me whenever no a 90%+ resist.
I like my hp at 100% if possible, thank you.

[shut vapor]

Boosters

[wispy bluff]

It doesn't help that scan itself is large too.

What was it? Class 5, 6?

[shut vapor]

Idk I haven't done it in a hot second

[wispy bluff]

Point being the scan takes forever. Not at least because warden takes his sweet fucking time with the line going brrrrrrrrt for like 20 seconds.

Like honestly - it's that fucking pit, every time.

The entire rest of the level is like... Fine. Including the final-final security door.

But that fog pit is cursed, everything about it, reaching it and doing it sucks and it's literally the source of majority of the wipes.

[opal thorn]

there's no class 5 or 6 in r2e1

are you ok

[balmy moat]

Warden door?

Isn’t that a class 5

[opal thorn]

no?

class 4

are you also ok

[balmy moat]

Is it?

I haven’t touched that level in ages

I thought the door beyond was a class 4

[wispy bluff]

Honestly checks out.

[little ridge]

kinda rude tbh

[balmy moat]

Cause I think I remember when we ladder foamed once we called out class 5 and then 4

[little ridge]

Who the heck remembers ALL classes of ALL alarms of ALL maps

[opal thorn]

hi

well most of them at least

hardest one is remembering how is the wave size

[little ridge]

Good for you? I've 100 clears of R1A1 and I cant remember a single zone number 🤣

Only zones I remember the number of are 69 in r1d1 and 611-613 in r2d1

Everything else is complete fog

[opal thorn]

well there's a difference between zone numbers and alarm classes

one is actually important, the other has no significant value

[little ridge]

The point is just that until sectors are in the numbers are sequential

[wispy bluff]

Point still stands.

[opal thorn]

the other hard thing is remember what scan types in alarms

[little ridge]

so you ought to remember at least the vague number but somehow I never can

[honest rune]

444 is pablo c:

only one i remember

Do they use the multi alarm class anymore btw? Seen a few multi type alarms but not noted as such

[grizzled bison]

MIXED ALRAMS

[little ridge]

ALL RAMS???

Was beep informed of that?

[neon anchor]

i can say im officially spooked

anyone want to make a party?

[vernal nebula]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[analog flicker]

[broken root]

Are there any Turks who will participate in the game?

[lost lynx]

#hc-europe

there should be a turkey community

[meager sleet]

where the chicken lfg at 🤔

[vernal nebula]

Looking-for-nuggets

[sharp siren]

I like cheeseburguers a lot more

[gritty berry]

Sag

[meager sleet]

idk

kinda middle ground on that

think it's just a matter of time before i give in to the other side. nuggets are nice to snack a bit longer on but burgers are more satisfying

[burnt flume]

Reformed meat sucks, end of

[pulsar sigil]

Peter

[grizzled bison]

Have you tried posting this in pet pics

[stark imp]

Huh. Completed R8E1 Secondary with no boosters by ||just ignoring it at the beginning, then deactivating the alarm after the checkpoint door and trekking back to do it in peace. Shadow alarm after that, but all the doors were already open so we didn't see any enemies before the defense outside KDS Deep.||

[latent palm]

should throw it in spoilers chat ngl

[wispy bluff]

That's how my squad did it too.

The level doesn't stop you, so...

[grizzled bison]

LOL

[latent palm]

basically just throws in

every enemies possible

[stark imp]

It has a spoiler on it, should be fine.

[wispy bluff]

I imagine it being quite a bitch otherwise.

[latent palm]

along side the normal main wave

i mean main is average at best

[stark imp]

Yeah, we have been trying it for a few days, then got it on the first attempt doing this strategy.

[latent palm]

but plus is basically "omega fuck you" type surge alarm

[wispy bluff]

Inb4 nerfed

On top of being cheesy it just breaks the flow of the mission.

[latent palm]

it really does

like

reactor meltdown

and we just walk back like nothings goin on

[wispy bluff]

You were being in a hurry to the finish line, only to take a break a step from it and go buy yourself some milk.

[latent palm]

one could say

having PTSD on E2

results in some1 callin "rush this" basically mean get there quick or wipe

@misty lodge

ayo buddeh

where u at

[misty lodge]

sry im new to game

[latent palm]

come

we gtfo

[robust apex]

how to lfg for not beginners tho?

matchmaking is shit in this game tbh

[wispy bluff]

What do you mean?

You just post anywhere that's not #lfg-beginners

Like uh, #lfg-western-europe

[robust apex]

is there other lfg chats?

how do I access them

[wispy bluff]

Channels and roles.

Should be at the top.

[stiff trail]

Does damage multiplier also apply to turret? I was wondering if placing turrets behind enemies would make them deal more damage

[true pilot]

nope, it was removed

[native wren]

alrighty, I spoke a little last night but how do I go about sending one of those invite things here for to play with others? (I'm way too socially awkward to just join one :/)

[knotty bobcat]

Do bots not know that I'm using a Tool boster?

Using a bold one, I got 7 mines
Bishop picked up a 2 use Tool refill, immediately sprinted for me, and gave me both hits of it.

[teal oxide]

Привет всем. Русскоговорящие есть?

[knotty bobcat]

Wasted like 3 mines worth

[rose nova]

nope bots don't do anything regarding ur boosters, they r urs
if u have one of those just nab it use it or if ur full don't, open lockers i guess

[wispy bluff]

#hc-europe

[rose nova]

boosters of that kind are more a thing for full group runs ngl

i just use melee or dmg boosters with bots, or resistance stuff

[knotty bobcat]

Starting ammo booster
not efficiency

[unique comet]

For some reason fog repeller power booster also buffs fog repellers used by the bots

[rose nova]

ah no idea then they usually check the % to see if ur below 80, not sure

[knotty bobcat]

I was at 88%

[narrow pike]

In general don't let bots pick up tool if you can, they don't really know which tools need more ammo than others. They are fine at distributing ammo and medpack

[wispy bluff]

Actually don't let them have med packs either.

[narrow pike]

Distribute it all yourself if you can

[knotty bobcat]

Can't exactly choose what or when bots pick shit up

[wispy bluff]

They will swarm you attempting to heal you mid combat if your health drops below 60, no matter what's going on.

[knotty bobcat]

sometimes they'll willfully ignore the ammo pack I want them to pick up, or run across the entire map to grab that medpack

If bots do anything but stand still and shoot, they're just a nuisance

Hell even shooting they're a nuisance
Fucking 0 regards for friendly fire

[rose nova]

tbh i've noticed even if ur 70 meters away they somehow grab a resource from where they are

it's funky

also if ur gettin friendly fire'd by 3 bots

that might be ur problem for puttin em shotties or something

or never crouching in a scan or something

[knotty bobcat]

They have a burst rifle and a machine gun

Oh I do crouch

but sleepers crawl

And bots are very happy shooting through the back of my head to kill it

[rose nova]

i never have problems with ff, sometimes i've tried gettin a bot to down me and they never fuckin do

a hel auto sentry didn't even did anything to me

i tried standing on top and on front and it didn't do any ff

[meager sleet]

what invite thing

[fresh shoal]

question:

after I beat R7C3 secondary, how do I access Overload?

[analog flicker]

Blood door

[wispy bluff]

You find bulkhead key and put it into bulkhead hub. All while surviving.

[unique comet]

You have a door in that room you can cfoam tripmine

[fresh shoal]

ty

because I saw when I finished secondary, I needed to find a second bulkhead key for main

but after I put it in, it removed the overload thing on my screen

because there was a scan for Main

I didn't know if doing that scan disabled Overload

[wispy bluff]

Nope

It's way later into the level

[fresh shoal]

[wispy bluff]

After you go loud.

[fresh shoal]

ty

[wispy bluff]

You can actually preemptively scan levels for bulkhead keys

LIST KEY usually picks them up

And then you can guess what's gonna happen on how many it finds.

You can even list the bulkhead hubs

BULKHEAD_DC or something

[fresh shoal]

is there a list of all the terminal passwords in GTFO?

[wispy bluff]

Which ones? The four letter word ones?

[fresh shoal]

ye

[wispy bluff]

The dictionary, probably.

[fresh shoal]

real

I wonder if there's a penalty for getting the terminal passwords wrong when there's no alarm

[rose nova]

uh there was one idk how to search it tho

[lost lynx]

i have it

do you want them

[upbeat sail]

there isnt you can brute force them

[fresh shoal]

ye thanks

[upbeat sail]

just doing so will be just as hard as brute forcing a real one so might want to find at least 1 or 2 of the letters first

[lost lynx]

with 1 letter you can easily brute force it

[lost lynx]

you can save like 50 hours of gameplay with this through all rundowns

lol

maybe more than 50

[fresh shoal]

[keen elbow]

another day

to suffer in r2e1

[lusty river]

Get the Voice of Truth log!

[keen elbow]

i have no idea what that is but i will keep an eye out in the terminals while the shadow things tongue kiss me to death

[wispy bluff]

There is a log on one of the terminals that will award you the achievement

[lost lynx]

this

dont be like me

now i need to do R2E1 for the 4th time

because i forgor to get the log

twice

[wispy bluff]

Where's the log precisely again?

In which part of the level?

[quaint depot]

More character customisation/skins battlepass would be nice.. just a suggestion

[lusty river]

Battle pass 💀

No more battle passes please 😭

[quaint depot]

Anything to drip swagg and show off achievements @lusty river

[still flint]

Good evening, I bought the game like a hour ago

[wispy bluff]

What, the 90 already in the game don't do anything for you?
But i would lie i wouldn't pay like... 10$ for a really cool set.

[wispy bluff]

Yes, hello. Check id:customize to make sure you have access everywhere you want/need to have one.
After that...

[quaint depot]

@wispy bluff i mean.. i really like this game.. but (in my opinion) it needs more customisation

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[still flint]

Thanks

[wispy bluff]

Too late for that, the game's done. We are to get one more patch, maybe two and then we are on life support.

[quaint depot]

@wispy bluff this game has a really strong concept and i would have love to see more updates.. but wtv gtfo is really good

[lost lynx]

battlepass?

😆

[pine root]

You can customize your bulge in this game

it grows to more you get hit

[lusty river]

😱

[still flint]

I’m quite curious about something, as I have only just bought the game and didn’t play much further from the tutorial (yet)

How difficult can it get if I decide to be a masochist and go solo?

[vernal nebula]

Should be in ||Zone 598|| good luck if the cell + turbine spawns in the other blood door 😬

[pine root]

With bots or without

[still flint]

Both with and without

(I’m stupid enough to try without)

[lusty river]

True solo, just do it

[pine root]

You are gonna find most e tiers pretty hard with bots. Without bots solo sometimes breaks down into you kiting sleepers for over a few hours so I wouldn’t recommend

Only a few levels that are not clearable solo/solo with bots

Mostly the e teirs

[still flint]

Alright then, I’ll try to get a bit of experience online first before trying it out on solo

[pine root]

Yeah playing with bots will give you the experience you need it is just different skills

[still flint]

The sooner I start online the better

Besides I have to learn to speak better in English, as I am italian and I get a bit of problems with understanding what is being said

Reading and writing is not a problem, speaking and listening…

[lusty river]

Hopped into an r2e1 pub, let’s see how bad this goes 💀

[vernal nebula]

May you be blessed with decent bioscan location RNG

[latent palm]

@lusty river

ULTRAKILL UPDATE

[lusty river]

Update: I left that lobby

No one brought mines 😔

[junior latch]

you dont necessarily need mines

[pale zephyr]

Update: Left the lobby

They didn't keep BOT Bishop

[pulsar sigil]

Ok guys the MG update this rundown is sick

I was able to solo hold a class 3 alarm

Dude you stand next to a sentry ( shotgun or burst ) and literally they can't hit you

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

Robert mr mg player could you teach Beth to use the mg

She has a hard time using it

[pulsar sigil]

Hard time using it? BROTHERRR did you not see her 360 swing 1 clip a giant charger????

[keen elbow]

owo

[burnt garnet]

but can she follow up the 360 one clip a giant charger into the ladder stall reload cancel 180 flick birth cancel on a mom?

[mystic moss]

without using a checkpoint?

[knotty forge]

@lost lynx

Which is the password

This week

For a2

[lost lynx]

i dont know

i need to know

[knotty forge]

😭

[lost lynx]

does someone knows it?

[pine root]

[knotty forge]

It was your credit card

Can you write

It

Also the back numberd

[lost lynx]

||if you read this u gay||

there

[analog flicker]

[serene berry]

[burnt garnet]

L14MA-3A1L5

[sharp owl]

Dude . . . Zits are buttholes. . .

They kinda look like em, they shoot out shit, and they dont like light cuz they're " the area where the sun dont shine." Think about it 🤔

[lost lynx]

LOL

[keen elbow]

y u no hop into my group 😦

[covert nova]

R8B3: ||how do you make it past the S extreme scan for the air filtration room?||

[serene berry]

shoot

your bullets

(from your hel rifle)

[burnt garnet]

you dont even need to do that side of the map

[lusty river]

Because I make bad decisions on the daily

[keen elbow]

carry me in r2e1

[covert nova]

what do we do then

[lusty river]

Read my bio

[tranquil crow]

Try 2x hel auto sentry if your team doesn't shoot so well.

[lusty river]

||You don’t really need the air filtration, it’s just a nice thing to have. First time I did fog turbine (strong alarm) and barely used the turbine throughout the level||

[coarse walrus]

My brain isnt braining, where do u post for group if ur not a beginner?

[fierce vortex]

How is the Drekker Pres Mod 556?

[lusty river]

The what

[lusty river]

Go to Channel & Roles, scroll and you can find the other lfg channels if you don’t see it

[wicked solstice]

Just call it rifle

Most people won’t know the long name

[lusty river]

Indeed

[wicked solstice]

It’s decent

[fierce vortex]

Compared to DMR/Double Tap Rifle?

[lusty river]

Anyways, the rifle is okay. I only see it good if you’re excellent at hitting beans (headshots)

[wicked solstice]

Dmr is very good if you have something like Hel Autopistol; DMR very nearly one shot headshots strikers, but it needs a lil more damage

DTR is hard to use, but very good if you put time into it (but almost nobody does)

[unreal crystal]

dmr gets ass ammo

thats the main downside to it rlly

[lusty river]

Dtr is satisfying to use

[unreal crystal]

dtr is good

rifle is whatever these days

[lusty river]

Its reload is funky now. I don’t think you can reload cancel with it

[high orchid]

they changed the reload?

[swift cipher]

they nerfed how long it takes to reload cancel with it. from 0.82sec to 1.43sec

[serene berry]

I call it Rifle Rifle because all the other guns get two word names

[wicked solstice]

ahem we all know it's real name is Rifleo

[high orchid]

when did they do that??

[wicked solstice]

ALT R6 iirc

or R8

idk, I just know the reload cancel got shadow nerfed hard

[high orchid]

yeah that had to have been r8 DTR did not have that bad of a reload cancel in r6

[wicked solstice]

we're talking ab rifle

dtr shouldn't have been changed

[fierce vortex]

I still can't decide if DMR or Double Tap is better.

Like if you take any weapon and it's burst fire variant, is the burst fire variant automatically better when all the burst shots hit?

[wicked solstice]

not necessarily. Dmr is probably better simply because DTR is so hard to learn

[high orchid]

dmr is definitely better when shooters, but when strikers dtr is technically more efficient since it gets 7 kills per clip

[wicked solstice]

assuming you hit both parts of the burst. GTFO burst weapons have all the recoil built into the first shot, so DTR

second shot is hard to aim

again, generally DMR is favored simply becaue DTR is just so hard to learn

[high orchid]

it is but I've had decent success aiming a bit below the head to get the recoil to get the headshot

[rose nova]

u can also just drag down really hard

[wicked solstice]

hey, if you can make it work, go for it

[latent palm]

[stray burrow]

Hello, im new and intend to buy the game.
I've watched many gameplay and understand what the game is playing on. I just have one question that i heard about the dead matchmaking system and something about abandoned/server down.
Is it true and affect to ability to play coop with friend/new friend.
Are the game being updated more?
Thank you for helping!

[keen elbow]

it got its last content update i think

but it's got a lot of content to play thru, i definitely think its worth the 24$ on sale

[stray burrow]

@keen elbow i dont mind about the sale price to get.
I just wonder about the posibility to play. Im afraid of something is shutdown and can not play with other players when hearing these news 😄
Btw, thank for your help!

[thick temple]

Playing with friends is 100% intact

[worn bone]

servers aren't down or abandoned

[thick temple]

The in game matchmaking system is kinda shit and as such was never largely adopted by the player base, so people say it's dead

If you wanna play with Randoms you pretty much need to use this discord server's lfg system. But again if you're just playing with friends everything is totally functional

The only gameplay related servers the game uses are Steam and Playfab, the actual player connection and stuff is peer-to-peer so unless those two servers vanish then shouldn't have much to worry about :)

[stray burrow]

Thank all of you for that good info. I will make a join to die together now 😄

Hmm, the game still have BOTs if i play alone?

[thick temple]

Yes, it does have bots!
Although they're not the best and getting further into the game will be much much harder with them, so it's recommended to play with Randoms or get a group of friends who are willing to take the time to learn.
The bots are alright for learning and doing some levels with though

[stray burrow]

Yeah i got your advice 😄
Honestly, i can not use mic because my daughter is sleeping at the time i play PC game. I just can listen only. Nearly I dont want to bother other player for this handicap.
Btw, thank you bro!

[keen elbow]

just being able to listen is fine if someone else is shotcalling

the better you get at the game the less you have to call things out and you just "know" what to do

[thick temple]

That makes sense! Then yeah feel free to play with bots. There are numerous people in this server who play without mic as well, and communicate using in game text chat. The player base mainly just tends to prefer knowing that you're not gonna use mic ahead of time

[stray burrow]

Yeah, that's nice! 😄 😄

[serene jewel]

do the default bots have aimbot

[cedar wing]

Technically yes

But they don’t have a critical thinking module

They will shoot at enemies behind closed doors, and shotgun sleepers over 20m away if you don’t manage them

They can, and will shoot you as well if you stand in front of an enemy

[high orchid]

they also will shoot an enemy the moment it wakes up not caring about how much ammo they waste each time they do that

[lofty grotto]

Verbal communications is not exactly a total requirement. Ingame text communications works as well

[serene jewel]

so they'll be better off with say, hel revolvers instead of carbine

noted

[elder wharf]

it's not a total requirement, but if you have a full team with no mics and a full team with mics on the difference is drastic. Of course that doesn't mean you can't play and enjoy the game if you don't have a mic, but it's quite helpful if you do.

[cedar wing]

It can be levle dependant if you want to micromanage the bot loadout constantly but any high ammo, long range weapon would be best

Hel revolver, and the other revolvers, have rather fast dmg fall off so they'd be of minimal use in large and even medium-sized rooms

[serene jewel]

oh

[upbeat sail]

just give them any of the autos other then the two machinepistols

burst guns are also fine if you want them to go for shooters

[sharp owl]

@molten river we can talk here

Without the 5 minute timer

Sniper sentry is often too slow to kill small sleepos, so despite its big damage per refill its not a practical option to replace the burst sentry

Burst doesn't take 3 bursts per striker, it takes 2 so it gets more kills per refill than you calculated (burst sentry doesn't really miss shots)

[junior latch]

plus burst sentry legit cheats. If it kills smth with half a burst, the 2nd half often snaps onto a different enemy

[vestal crystal]

But the Excel....

[sharp owl]

It doesn't waste its shots and it gets great value out of them because of the headshot multipliers on sleepers

3x on strikers 5x on shooters

[true pilot]

And shotty sometimes shoots too fast

plus sniper does miss shots

[sharp owl]

3 head

[junior latch]

dude whats your math lol

[vestal crystal]

Tell us you've never ran burst sentry without never telling us you never ran it

[junior latch]

2 head = 12 dmg
3rd shot to head = 14
2nd burst with 3 shots is another 6 for 20

Also so funny how you look at dmg/refill on a sentry that commonly overkills its enemies by like two and a half times

[sharp owl]

Wait it can't over damage if it breaks the head?

[junior latch]

wdym it cant over damage?
not sure
realistically pops and 3rd bullet goes to body often

[sharp owl]

Oh that

[junior latch]

and you failed your math

[sharp owl]

Ye sorry

[junior latch]

:)

[sharp owl]

Look idk math but i know from practice

Burst sentry is the economical choice for the savvy prisoner

[junior latch]

its also the most consistent choice

[sharp owl]

Other sentries do other things better

[vestal crystal]

I think he's calculating striker head multi as x2 and not x3

[junior latch]

Maybe

[molten river]

wait real actually. I assumed it had same crit mult as pdw and smg and got the math wrong. under 10m maybe can 2 burst an enemy if nothing misses.

[junior latch]

but then it would take more than 2 bullets to break it

It has 1x

[sharp owl]

Ye sentries get the baller 1x

[junior latch]

burst sentry in range basically always 2 bursts

It sometimes doesnt due to weird interactions but it commonly does

[sharp owl]

Also probably hot take but hel sentry good now

Used it on r1a1 solo and it held back the wave real nice cause of pen

[junior latch]

Sniper sentry is better vs chargers and bigs
Shotgun sentry is better if you get a super short angled choke point with bio pings
Auto sentry is uh. Good at stalling the same angle shotgun sentry likes

any normal situation -> burst

[junior latch]

its fine

it stalls good enough now, but still is a bit low on ammo

[sharp owl]

True

My thoughts exactly

[junior latch]

Auto sentry also just isnt made for killing

if you get a singular shooter or giant its donezo

[jade iron]

I consider shotgun sentry F as long as its aim still prioritizes heads tbh

[true pilot]

thats why you bring 4 auto sentries =)

[sharp owl]

[true pilot]

it works well in some occasions, id say its more of a D tier as it is usuable

[junior latch]

Based loadout

[true pilot]

and 4 hel pps

[vestal crystal]

Don't know how anyone can say burst sentry is bad if they have seen it in action

[jade iron]

even if you can get good performance out of it, imo it's an inherently jank sentry with numbers buffed to compensate, and I just don't want any part in it

[true pilot]

and 4 verutas

[junior latch]

we placed it in low C

It can put out a lot in theory. But generally its just a way worse burst sentry

[vestal crystal]

2 bursts can basically hold entire alarm waves alone

[junior latch]

yea

[sharp owl]

Btw did the nerf do anything to burst

[junior latch]

like, im one of the people that prefers looking at numbers

But numbers need context (which funnily enough is often just even more numbers applied to it)
But dont just look at 1 stat

[sharp owl]

I'm hesitant to pick it cuz idk what it does now

[sharp owl]

Exactly

People make fun of spreadsheets

But only because the spreadsheets aren't good enough

We need to advance them

Evolve them

[junior latch]

it basically didnt change efficiency wise

But the range nerf hurts it a bit. Its not as good placed in highest range scenarios anymore

[sharp owl]

Ok

[junior latch]

People make fun of spreadsheets because people look at 1 stat and think that means a gun is insane/weak

Has happened to several things before

[jade iron]

burst sentry is still faster

(than sniper sentry, who cares about shotgun)

[true pilot]

sniper might be too slow to get the enemy, shotty will shoot too much and waste ammo

[sharp owl]

Honestlyvi can't comment on sniper plus bio cause I've never used it but i would imagine its finicky with actually shooting a sleeper

[jade iron]

and I'm a big sniper sentry defender

I even used sniper sentry pre-r8 buff in duos

[junior latch]

1. symbiosis while good isnt 100% consistent to be applied
2. sniper overkills, so if a target was in anyway shot you wasted a lot of its shot
3. sniper shoots slow even under bio
4. shotgun sentry range oof
5. shotgun sentry accuracy oof
6. shotgun sentry aiming for head oof
7. shotgun sentr shooting dead bodies oof

[sharp owl]

why does it aim for the head

[junior latch]

Sniper + bio is technically better if applied right tho

but youd usually prefer a burst sentry

[jade iron]

all sentries aimed for head until recently

[sharp owl]

I know

But they fixed hel and just ignored shotgun

Iz shotgun

You shoot toes

Not head

[jade iron]

10cc were comfortable giving auto sentry body targeting, but they've buffed shotgun sentry so many times around head targeting that they would need to entirely rework its numbers for body targeting

so they haven't bothered yet

[molten river]

Is that why shotgun sentry is so good against chargers? the fact that they are headless?

[sharp owl]

Could be

They probably still aim for their "head"

But it's massive

So it's hard to miss

[junior latch]

No
It legit shoots at it still

[molten river]

wack

[junior latch]

the reason its better is because in short range (like on ladders) it kinda hits body by default and just deals more than burst

[sharp owl]

I need to try shotgun sentry on r1c2 why didn't I think of this

[vestal crystal]

Your shotgun sentry math is ignoring the fact that it can shoot like 2-3 more times after the striker has already died

[sharp owl]

How is hel pp now with the damage buff

[junior latch]

Ryk we already pointed that out above

Dont have to rub salt in the wound

[junior latch]

Rly good

[molten river]

ok even if it shoots 4 shots per enemy, with symbio it's still killing 6/refill. shotgun sentry for life

[sharp owl]

Shotgun sentry just makes me sad

[molten river]

OK. New hot take. Spear is the best melee weapon.

[vestal crystal]

I'm not stating that for you, I don't think Oscar put two and two together

[sharp owl]

We're not doing this again

Scattergun is the best melee weapon

Not the spear

[latent palm]

that i agree

[sharp owl]

I wonder if the devs think that the spear is better than it is in practice because it can technically deal more damage if you exclusively hit heads

And that's why they don't wanna buff it

[jade iron]

is this a badger alt? I feel like we're getting trolled

[sharp owl]

Non

Like they nerfed spear

Clearly there is a like mental gap between how the devs think about melee vs players

Otherwise why on earth would you nerf spear

[junior latch]

And i wasnt stating that for me

[molten river]

I wouldn't mind if they nerfed the spear damage but made it charge way quicker. Spears are fast in real life.

why is it so slow

still the best though

[sharp owl]

Yeah idk

Spear discussion has been done to death 70 times over

it is nice to turn your brain off however

no matter the enemy you just point and click

[vestal crystal]

Probably because they nerfed based on pick rates, which also explains why bullpup got nerfed. New players like those choices

[sharp owl]

that's cringe ngl

[jade iron]

why bullpup got nerfed, why carbine got buffed into the stratosphere, why none of the auto mains get to be good, ...

[molten river]

new players pick bullpup because its the first rifle on the list and looks cool

that thing is dogshit now

range was the only thing it had over the smgs