gtfo-chat

[knotty bobcat]

Do people use the HAR? :d

[wispy bluff]

I do

[rose nova]

yeah

[wispy bluff]

Its a fine weapon... Just needs love.

Needs more bullets - 149 is just not the shit

[knotty bobcat]

I've used it once and hated it
Felt like it couldn't kill anything
Super innacurate
And just shat out too much ammo

[rose nova]

i mean eh- idk
i cant think of many ways of makin it really like better
maybs more stagger way more range...

eh

[rose nova]

very tap tap weapon but its 5 dmg for an auto, 4 bullets for a kill without headshots

thats just pretty insane

and the recoil hits but its like the machinegun one tbh

if u can control it its just so nice

[wispy bluff]

One tapping is the way to go, but it could kill just a little bit faster

For what its worth it could also use the 6+ dmg

[sharp owl]

we talking short rifle?

[wispy bluff]

At least then the ammo feels appropriately low

[rose nova]

does it break any important points with 6 dmg?

[wispy bluff]

Short Rifle AND HAR

[rose nova]

well with 6 dmg i think its a perfect two shot on headshot bodyshot like the burst pistol... it keeps being two shot on shooters
i guess

[wispy bluff]

+20% damage on average.
Strikers still take 4 bullets to kill on body, but with headshot it can take like... 2 bullets? About 14 damage on head then 6 into body and its dead.
Shooters take... Same 2 bullets to the head, but 1 less bullet to body.
Giants die in 20 bullets instead of 24.

For the most part its literally just a buff to anti-giant performance.

I guess two-shot potential into strikers with potential 15 kills per mag is kinda oomfy but like... Can you really tell me the gun doesn't need it, in its current state?

Like goddamn, i think with a buff like that it could become my new favorite gun

[rose nova]

i mean not really i think its fine its a bodyshot weapon that really doesnt need to be a headshot specially by full auto standarts and the recoil it has
but i guess it would like, uhh whats thw word

i always forget english words goddamit

*justify * more the ammo count

[wispy bluff]

Yes, that.

People kinda meme on Short Rifle's 190 bullets but like its a fair trade for such a weak performance.

HAR does not have anything in particular to justify bullets-be-gone behavior.

[rose nova]

i mean arba its the exact same fucking thing but more mag more ammo more range and just a faster reload, i would, idk i guess it could work

[wispy bluff]

Arbalist is the elephant in the room, yes

[sharp owl]

🐘

[rose nova]

om nom

[wispy bluff]

+0.3 dmg on it is not like... A big deal, but its neat to have.

[sharp owl]

veruta best always

[wispy bluff]

Having literally 20 more bullets than HAR does is a big deal however

HAR Total Damage: 746.49
Arbalist Total Damage: 904.15

[sharp owl]

you pay a premium for the reload and no recharge

[wispy bluff]

Lose 150 worth of damage (a bodyshot hybrid kill or 7.5 strikers) for:
-Worse recoil;
+52% quicker reload speed

Short Rifle has a total of 942.76 damage, btw. Heh.

[sharp owl]

oh cool

short rifle must be the best then

gonna run it now

[wispy bluff]

You literally never gonna run out of ammo on it

[sharp owl]

you underestimate how wasteful i am

[wispy bluff]

Could come on a clutch on levels with ammo problems

[rose nova]

ive ran out of ammo a couple times dealing bigs

with bots

[sharp owl]

also the range will cause you to use more ammo

i chug ammo

lol

this guy gets barely more damage per resupply than hel rifle

does it even beat mgs

ah it does

i just realized i fkn hate "R2C2 ???"

[rose nova]

:D

[lost lynx]

best way to do the "kill a P mom without taking damage from the babies" achivement?

[sour pine]

Foam foam foam

[lost lynx]

i will need another player for that then

what level is the best'

[burnt flume]

probably r3d1 because it's short and you can pre-damage pmom

but yeah, basically just have like 2 people with hel shotguns kill babies or something

have everyone focus babies as she spawns them

[junior widget]

anyone having issues with any steam achievements? both the complete an expedition without a squadmate going down and the only use pistols on a B expedition did not complete when I did them

[lost lynx]

the only pistols is ALONE

[burnt flume]

probably requires a full team of players, and the b tier one you have to do solo

[lost lynx]

"complete a b tier ALONE...."

[lost lynx]

so two do damage and the other two take care of babies

[burnt flume]

I guess? everyone blasting babies is probably safest

I'm still trying to grab 1 more person to get some achievements done

[lost lynx]

4 hel shotguns and 4 scatterguns

lol

[lost lynx]

i can help you with some i guess

[junior widget]

thank you, apparently i cant read

[lost lynx]

dw

||i did the same as you||

[burnt flume]

we're in vc in scalers

[lost lynx]

im not in scalers server

send invite in dms

[tulip trail]

revolver mastaba can kill scouts?

[charred ember]

its so hard to predict where enemy come from

#gtfo-media message

I just defended level 4 alarm with like no utility cuz i use it on the wrong spot

[upper tinsel]

Did they come through the open red door?

[charred ember]

yeah they come from the broken door

Theres so many entry point so i just want to like open one door to funnel them in, but they didnt spawn where i predict

[upper tinsel]

Yeah right there its either left side or down

[north yarrow]

is r3d1 the easiest place to find a pmom for the achievement?

[upper tinsel]

R4E1 trust

[shrewd garden]

i just did a mission after a week

[tulip trail]

GUYS I NEED HELP. Hitting a locker with a knife, will instantly wake up an enemy? or just make him start glowing

[molten river]

If he's really close I think it wakes him fully.

[tulip trail]

5 meters

or less

[molten river]

Idk try it

The range is not big

[tulip trail]

If I wake up this enemy my 4 hour solo run is wiperd

wiped*

[molten river]

Then get a lock melter

[tulip trail]

i looked for it, i think there's none

it's a hard situation

i think i just gonna pull the entire room

[tulip trail]

ok

wiped

F

[upper tinsel]

Coudnt you kill the enemy that was close to the locker?

[keen elbow]

das why we invest in lock melters

[wispy bluff]

Lock melters are not always useful, but when they are - they are literal run saviours.

[torpid rose]

wot

name 1 map with less than 3 hack locks

[north yarrow]

is the "work together" achievement bugged?

[lost lynx]

nope

not as far as i know

[north yarrow]

any idea what the actual criteria is? ive been doing achievements and weve done 4 man runs of easy levels without going down, but i still dont have it

does it have to be a PE run or something like that?

[lost lynx]

no

just a normal run is enough

[north yarrow]

weird, alright thanks

[lost lynx]

hmmmmm

weird

none of you went down?

[north yarrow]

yea, we did R1A1 for one of the other ones and nobody dropped

i just did R3D1 for the pmom one and nobody went down, still didnt get it

[burnt flume]

how many players are you with?

[north yarrow]

4

[burnt flume]

hm, strange

[lost lynx]

really weird

[north yarrow]

oh well, maybe ill just randomly get it one day

[lost lynx]

mhm

you will get and you wont notice

lol

[wispy bluff]

Alright lads, moment of truth.

Tonight we will find out if short rifle is worth anythin'

Class IV scan without tools

[molten river]

It's absurd with a macro but otherwise it's just a semi auto har except with 0.5x stagger and iirc lower crit multi too and/or less damage

[wraith marsh]

No it's still bad with a macro

[molten river]

Macro makes it fire like the machine pistol. At that point its a straight upgrade from har

[wispy bluff]

Giants are a problem, but other than that its exceptionally effective against smalls.

I'm convinced it was originally a burst weapon

That would explain the low damage

and also the damn thing looks like FAMAS from certain angles

But they already reworked BC into a x3 burst weapons so i guess they didn't wanted two x3 burst weapons in specials?...

[keen elbow]

Its got a great scope

[wispy bluff]

You know what...

Its growing on me.

Bullpup enjoyer is now also a Shorty enjoyer.

Weird that, huh.

78-44

74... 34...

uh-huh

Yes, you will.

[keen elbow]

i didn't find the bullpup reload that terrible

just didn't feel different enough from using the standard assault rifle to really care about it

[vale rampart]

JOIN NOW! 109775243995176530 just one player (dm me)

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wispy bluff]

Please.

[vale rampart]

thanks artku

[wispy bluff]

Oh lovely, the game decided to fuck me.

No cfoam or mines this time.

[burnt flume]

what are you playing this time Artek?

[wispy bluff]

Same old

No tools R6C1

Which i've already beaten before, but it didn't count.

I'm investing for Doc what could possibly cause this

Suspects: bio that i had (just looked, not pinged anything), various consumables.

[burnt flume]

I used bio in my no tools and had no problems with it

I almost pinged stuff but stopped short and there was no issue in the end

[wispy bluff]

I swear, bots try everything in their power to fail me

This time they just stood there and allowed themselves to be downed by meatballs

Literally, not even moving or shooting

had to do that thing where you staff your face full of medkit as you run

[spiral wasp]

another lovely thing is bots walk into giants and get downed

[wispy bluff]

Bishop decided to just fuck off during the scan

had to kick / rekick him. Fixed his brains.

[spiral wasp]

yeah i really wished they fixed the bots tho but unlikely to happen

[keen elbow]

i think the general sentiment to that is "get friends lol"

[wispy bluff]

Short Rifle really grew on me. I love how controllable and forgiving it is.

HAR without the pain in the ass

[burnt flume]

hm, forgiving how? in terms of damage breakpoints

and I guess no recoil

[wispy bluff]

It doesn't care if i miss - i got 190 bullets to spare. And yes, 0 recoil. It is the bullpup of specials: i have a clear picture of the battlefield and with low zoom i know exactly who to shoot.

[burnt flume]

I just find it such an incredibly weird gun

aside from it's mag size/ammo capacity, all its stats are worse than the regular rifle

it's like a special weapon cosplaying as the worlds most unusable main weapon in my eyes

[wispy bluff]

The Rifle without the 5.0 breakpoint and with twice the mag

It is weird indeed that its among specials

I am CONVINCED it was supposed to be a burst weapon

It even looks like FAMAS

[burnt flume]

in the game files it's called SMG_semi

[wispy bluff]

Weird

[burnt flume]

yep

[wispy bluff]

Honestly i don't even mind the stats but one

why is prec fucking 0.74, a.k.a. "we don't want ya hitting heads"

Fucking HAR is 0.8

[earnest forge]

Maybe because it would shred the new enemies without it ? I have not thought very hard about numbers yet

[molten river]

Har has more damage and more crit

[wispy bluff]

Yep.

But also 47 less bullets total

149 vs 196

[burnt flume]

and more usability with regards to how it fires

[wispy bluff]

Weird shit going on here

[burnt flume]

that's the big one for me

short rifle kinda sucks to shoot

[wispy bluff]

I think i posted numbers previously

[molten river]

Short rifle also has more dmg falloff than har

Iirc

[wispy bluff]

HAR deals 740 total damage at 100%, while Shorty deals uh 940 or 960

Balance wise it makes sense, but i just don't know

The HAR is not that good, lads.

[wraith marsh]

and yet its still better than short rifle

crazy

[burnt flume]

I trust it to kill sleepers faster than the short rifle, which keeps me safer

[knotty bobcat]

Makes sense.
It does just feel like a SMG put in semi mode.

[wispy bluff]

We had a chance for special burst rifle and we fooked it

The stats make so much sense in burst

That would be what, 13.5 dmg?

[burnt flume]

short rifle looks to be the only thing in the game with a stagger multi under 1

crazy

[wispy bluff]

I honestly didn't even noticed that

Strikers were responding positively to being headshot

Giants not so much, but then again - that's why i had to bring Slugger as a plan-B

[burnt flume]

oh god

that's like, the 2 worst weapons in the game comboed together

[wispy bluff]

Yep... And yet...

They compliment each other exceptionally well.

Also +MainDmg boosters go hard on slugger (they increase the OHKO range)

[pulsar sigil]

guys in lethal company do you guys buy the zap gun to use on enemies more or use on allies to get them killed?

[burnt flume]

although at that point, wouldn't I just take DMR for the OHKO range?

[molten river]

Dmr is head shot 1k with boosters. Slug is body 1k 6m stock

[wispy bluff]

Sure, if you can aim for heads... I can't. I can barely hit running strikers with the fucking slugman, lol.

[molten river]

Slug is kinda booty but it's fun

[wispy bluff]

But yeah, it feels off

1. Needs either faster fire or pump action animation (it does it on reload, but not when shooting? doesn't feel right)
2. Could use either range buff or dmg buff to fight with range (21>23, hmmm?)
3. I feel like mag size could be bigger. 6 doesn't feel right.

And dear lord, can we do something about this fucking edgy-ass holosight

I can't see shit and have to expand my brain just to focus on my targets

[junior latch]

yeah both are pretty bad weapons with nearly no range
and they rly suck at staggering without trollin

slug shotgun is not good vs giants man

you are taking so long to shoot them down

[wispy bluff]

I just need to stunlock them with slugs, i don't actually need to them die immediately

[knotty bobcat]

I like slug.
1 shots strikers and shooters pretty reliably.

[wispy bluff]

How many enemies an average alarm wave spawns?

[outer lantern]

Wrong game discord homie

[wispy bluff]

Trust me: he's aware

[junior latch]

well both weapons are... pretty bad

[steel parcel]

is work together achievement bugged?

[wispy bluff]

Could be.

Seen people mentioning it before.

[pine root]

Zap gun isn’t the at to get them killed anymore stun nade plus mask is way better

[junior latch]

the breakpoint doesnt even change if you increase it afaik

[pulsar sigil]

LMAO

[pine root]

Bonus points if you ask for their shovel or weapon first

[junior latch]

if you are playing with slug to stagger, then just play hel pp

you actually have a strong gun then aswell

[junior latch]

i like it aswell
its just horrible

[wispy bluff]

Will consider

I'm yet to test the new one

Would buffing the fire rate of slugman fix anything?

Since it doesn't seem to pump - i keep getting a vibe that it should just go bangbangbang like an XM1014 or something. Looks appropriatly too.

[knotty bobcat]

Slug feels good on its own
but compared to the rest, yeah it's not the best.

Which kinda sucks. The game is nearing the end of its life cycle, let's atleast just get good weapons.
Who cares if they're S tier.
I'd rather have multiple S tier weapons, than none.

[junior latch]

its 1 way to make it better

it lacks:

• ammo
• fire rate
• range

dmg is an issue due to its range aswell. But that can work better with higher range so its not too bad

[wispy bluff]

Well, lets hope. Surely they will make one final balance pass or something.

Gotta fix some stinkers around here...

[junior latch]

AR, Bullpup, Slug

sniper, short rifle

spear

a lot of other weapons could take some minor buffs aswell

[knotty bobcat]

Buff everything that's C tier and below.

And not buffs like ''Bullet cost 5.1 -> 5.0 :)''

Like, actual buffs.

[silk blade]

+200 damage

[junior latch]

this reminds me that i gotta cut up the podcast from yesterday

[wispy bluff]

Well, i did wrote them another letter.
Didn't mention anything about the new weapons though, i'll let them figure those out

[keen elbow]

weeee i'm in r2c1 now

time to try out the burst cannon and the standard machine pistol

[molten river]

The bullpup and sniper nerf just need to be reverted. And regular AR needs like 30->45 mag size to give any reason to run that crap over the HSMG. Hsmg could maybe also get slightly closer end to its falloff.

[wispy bluff]

I don't think mag size will help. Bullpup is basically that already.

The bigger problem is that DPS wise bullpup is almost a direct upgrade

It fires faster, more accurately, and got that x1 prec

[molten river]

Bullpup has way slower reload than AR.

[wispy bluff]

If we revert the nerf - not by much

[molten river]

Mag size would help for sure on AR. Also look at its in game model... big drum

[wispy bluff]

So is Burst Rifle and yet...

Also HEL Rev is 6 chambers. Sawed off is 3 barrels.

We clearly don't care about that anymore.

From what i've seen people would prefer to just have its' damage increased

Like 2.4 or 2.5 or something

Just brainless bodyshot damage

[molten river]

Function and form should be related.

[wispy bluff]

Should, but we're way past that

[molten river]

Big mag on AR makes sense as a buff. High uptime weapon.

Also sawedoff should go back to 3.

[fresh shoal]

Alright GTFO chat

I haven't played since Rundown 6

[wispy bluff]

OG or ALT

Important distinction

[fresh shoal]

well I played OG rundown 3 and came back a few times for Rundown 5, and 6

I think I remember seeing Alt rundown 2 dropping

but anyways

what movement options are back in the game?

like, is Bhopping back at all?

I remember last I played we had a stamina system so kiting wasn't as good

[wispy bluff]

SOme people say it neve rleft, some people say its back, i don't know. Don't use it.

Stamina still here.

[vestal geyser]

bhopping is dead

kiting is still doable but you need to play around stam

nothing has changed really since og r6

[wispy bluff]

A week ago they returned the "dodge" mechanic. They rebalanced it to consume stamina, to the point that i've seen vets utterly malding by it.

[fresh shoal]

they removed dodge?

zamn

[wispy bluff]

For a time, yeah.

Never used it prior, still don't. Only accidentally.

[vestal geyser]

tbh it wasn't ever that useful lol

only had some fringe uses when on low latency and even then enemy collision made it scuffed

[fresh shoal]

didn't it make diagonal running a bit faster

[mystic moss]

meh it was just an easy way to perform melee baits

[vestal geyser]

not as far as i know

having to stop sprint to dodge doesn't seem too useful

[fresh shoal]

so, no new movement options have been found and the old ones are gone?

[half nova]

"This door"

[vestal geyser]

you can still slide cancel but it doesn't give speed anymore

just saves a bit of stam

[mystic moss]

basically

[fresh shoal]

ah kk

does Slide trigger scout? i don't remember

[sharp owl]

the only useful one ive seen is the jump reload one

[vestal geyser]

nah

[pine root]

Dodge hop has uses

[sharp owl]

the dodge isnt that bad i use it mainly against shooter projectiles

which its basically made for

[vestal geyser]

shooter projectiles you can dodge easier by sliding or flicking your crosshair

[pine root]

Have you heard of an a key

Or even a d key

[sharp owl]

moving sideways works too but sometimes i still get hit even when i do it

i do it just to be sure

[mystic moss]

turning your camera helps

and doesn't murder your stamina

[pine root]

Jus leave you game on for 3 hours

[sharp owl]

turning my camera away from enemies coming at me yeah okay

[pine root]

dodge all projectiles no problem

[sharp owl]

why is everyone acting like accumilating a bit of stamina will kill you what is this

[pine root]

It doesn’t but it fucks management

[sharp owl]

management of what

[pine root]

Stam

[sharp owl]

amazing discovery

using stamina costs stamina

[pine root]

It reducing charge rate and speed which leads to you get hit more later

[sharp owl]

what

u know whats gonna happen later all the enemies are gonna be dead and ill carry on to the next zone

thats whats happening later

[pine root]

Well the surge error alarm in modded

[sharp owl]

thats modded so who cares

[fresh shoal]

why does the cursor in the game feel so scuffed

[sharp owl]

u mean on the map

[fresh shoal]

nah the intro screen where you're picking levels

[sharp owl]

its cuz of the fov thing

where the buttons move around

[fresh shoal]

it takes like a few frames for it to stop moving and it feels so awkward

[sharp owl]

atleast its not like that ingame

or inlevel i should say

[fresh shoal]

tru

[ionic rune]

unauthorized system override detected and its not logging in
what to do? (not me, my friend)

[sharp owl]

thats just the game loading

[ionic rune]

does it take this much time tho

been like 2-3 min

[sharp owl]

system override is you skipping all the lore dialogue

no

its probably how powerful your friends computer is

[junior latch]

buff AR dmg. It wouldnt even be that great at like 2.9 dmg

[sharp owl]

im surprised ar still kinda sucks

its been like that for a while

i usually dont like burst type weapons but i found burst rifle to be a way better option over it

[keen elbow]

i think you're all missing out on matchmaking

[junior latch]

why have a thing that doesnt rly do much that also fucks you stamina

[keen elbow]

where else can you experience a team wipe from friendly mines in wack ass places

[sharp owl]

gtfo helped me warm up to burst type weapons cuz i like using the double tap rifle

[keen elbow]

🥲

[fresh shoal]

Deep Rock Galactic

[keen elbow]

deep rock friendly fire is pitiful

[sharp owl]

drg is like gtfo for kids

[keen elbow]

you'd have to like magdump and throw your entire stock of explosives to actually down someone

[fresh shoal]

DRG is when you don't wanna sweat tho because when you hop into GTFO with the boys you actually have to communicate instead of being monkeys

[keen elbow]

here i can down teammates just by them deciding standing in front of my shotgun turret is a good idea :^)

[sharp owl]

you can turn up friendly fire in drg tho my friend always plays with like max ff

[keen elbow]

wha

[sharp owl]

yea

[keen elbow]

why would you do that to yourself xD

[sharp owl]

for messing around of course

[keen elbow]

lol nice

[sharp owl]

hes the one who likes downing teammates with satchel charges anyway

[fresh shoal]

question: does Hel Revolver still oneshot strikers in the head?

[keen elbow]

i think its one body one headdo

[fresh shoal]

bruv, it got nerfed?

[keen elbow]

i wouldn't know

i just started a couple days ago

[burnt flume]

Hel revolver never killed strikers in 1 headshot

[keen elbow]

you could probably do it from behind maybe

[burnt flume]

unless you were either behind them, or staring them straight at the side

[junior latch]

or boosters

but thats not a real talking point

imagine if it actually did tho

from best main to best weapon in general

[keen elbow]

tried out burst cannon and standard machine pisto

seemed okay

now to use....uh....standard smg i guess

[sharp owl]

burst cannon is there to kill giants

[upbeat sail]

machine pistol is there if you cant afford to be stuck reloading at a bad time

[keen elbow]

i feel like i might as well use the hel autopistol

[sharp owl]

the fast reload is good but thats all it has

i guess it can be a good weapon to use if u also hate babies

[upbeat sail]

thing is it fires so fast it can melt bigger enemies too

just its range is pathetic

[sharp owl]

yea

[modern coral]

HEL AutoPP is p good rn.

Pen weapon w/ very high stagger w/ decent damage output.

[sharp owl]

but if i want something close range i usually just do hel shotgun

[modern coral]

Fair.

[fresh shoal]

can you set off a scout by flashing your light at it? last I checked you could only make it feel with your light

[sharp owl]

no i was talking to the other guy

[upbeat sail]

it does outdo it in most situations other then the reload

[sharp owl]

i dont think ive tried the hel pp

[modern coral]

I would argue HELPP is easier to use than HEL Shotgun

But HEL Shotgun is a lot more powerful.

[sharp owl]

i think the rifle is kinda slept on

its pretty good if u dont know what to go for

just a simple rifle

extremely high stagger rate and a super fast reload

[upbeat sail]

its because you have to spam click so much it messes up your hand a bit after playing awhile

weapon itself is decent

[sharp owl]

upgrade to the double tap rifle lol

[upbeat sail]

pretty much

[sharp owl]

ive been using double tap

pretty nice

it doesnt feel good against the berserkers though

it doesnt really have that much stopping power

[analog flicker]

Rifle's Reload cancel got nerfed

[modern coral]

I prefer pistol to rifle now, which is unfortunate.

[analog flicker]

:/

[modern coral]

Used to be my goto HEL Gun support.

[analog flicker]

I've always preferred pistol but sadge to see that shadow nerf to rifle

[sharp owl]

its still pretty fast

im glad u can reload cancel on machine gun cuz good god its slow

[junior latch]

its rly not

[sharp owl]

u can skip the racking

[junior latch]

it went from one of the best to lower end

[sharp owl]

are we talking about the same weapon

[junior latch]

rifle is still pretty fine

rifle

[sharp owl]

im talking about the regular rifle

[junior latch]

yes

the current reload cancel is oof

[sharp owl]

i used it like last week i thought it was pretty quick

[junior latch]

pre R8 one was one of the fastest cancels

[sharp owl]

ill check again next time

theres some flashlight bug rn but idk about invisible teammates

[burnt flume]

sounds like desync

[fresh shoal]

i heard that if you shine a flashlight at a shadow's feet, it won't wake them

[mystic moss]

that is true !

[eternal plaza]

Do you guys find guns with thermal scopes useful?

[junior latch]

yea why wouldnt they be?

[burnt flume]

I find that there is some amount of overreliance on thermals for knowing where enemies are

useful, sure, but is it enough to warrant taking? outside of specific situations not really

[blissful dome]

It's easier to hit headshots cause I can't aim

But also

Pres rifle

[burnt flume]

that has nothing to do with thermal scopes

[blissful dome]

Eh I mean

Having the enemy outlined helps with aiming

[robust dawn]

except that it has one 😔

[burnt flume]

I couldn't give a shit if the enemy has an outline or a giant red arrow pointing to its head, as long as you can see the enemy, an outline does not help with aiming

having an outline will help you see it, sure

but to say it helps with aiming I disagree

[blissful dome]

:P

Idk

[robust dawn]

it helps me

[blissful dome]

Do they get more zoom or smth

[sharp owl]

precision rifle moreso pdw is okay

[blissful dome]

M

[sharp owl]

precision rifle can kill scouts too if ur not feeling confident caving their skull in

[blissful dome]

A lot of guns can kill scouts

[sharp owl]

yeah but its the only thermal one that can kill scouts

[blissful dome]

There's only two thermal weapons

One is a main

[sharp owl]

yeah dude i play the game

[blissful dome]

:P

[sharp owl]

i havent used pdw in a while it felt kinda average

[junior latch]

the point is that thats not a comparision to make

special weapons are

[blissful dome]

Yeah

[upbeat sail]

if you hate shadow scouts thats a reason to bring it otherwise hel rifle will probably outdo it

[sharp owl]

who wants to carry me through r2e1

[torpid rose]

@unreal crystal

[sharp owl]

i can't with this level

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[burnt flume]

I guess I can hop in

[blissful dome]

Elbow is not having a fun day

[torpid rose]

pachi u aint carrying shit

relax

[burnt flume]

there is no way I am worse than the average pub though

[sharp owl]

jeez

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[sharp owl]

rick no chill today

[torpid rose]

LOL

[wicked solstice]

R2E1 funny level

[burnt flume]

it's fine, it plays into the 'everybody hates pachi' rhetoric I like to go on about

[upbeat sail]

the average pub ragequits before the 2nd surge alarm

[burnt flume]

do i even like myself? hm

[blissful dome]

No

[torpid rose]

pachi

its not a matter of liking or hating you

[blissful dome]

Why else would you play gtfo

[torpid rose]

if you see a rotten apple on the floor you flame the apple for being rotten

that is all

[blissful dome]

Advice taken

[gaunt lichen]

Scouts can't be set off by light, but if you do flash your light it can extend its tentacles to try looking for you.

[burnt flume]

you know, maybe you have a point rick

[sharp owl]

you can use this knowledge to make scouts EXTREMELY uncomfortable by shining 4 long range flashlights at it

[burnt flume]

although I'd be lying if I said I knew exactly what I was supposed to take away from that

[flat perch]

and the number of instant feelers-out it takes for the scout to finally resume normalcy is lulz 😄

[sharp owl]

is it acceptable to loot both zones at the start just to get hella rich before the alarm

100% everything

since you can glide through them at 20% hp with revives

[burnt flume]

you could, but the amount of resources/time you invest makes it worthless

[gaunt lichen]

The two zones with only giants inside them:

[sharp owl]

there was like a 5 use ammo

6 use med

it was tempting

[vestal geyser]

is this r2e1?

[sharp owl]

ye

[vestal geyser]

looting both bloods is fine

[torpid rose]

perhaps you just cfoam the ladder

if you do not care abt the map

[sharp owl]

shadows make everything so slow and punishing it's just man

[vestal geyser]

just a waste of time

you can just pull if you're impatient

not that many enemies in the rooms

[burnt flume]

the game does give enough resources that a halfway decent team can avoid opening any side zone/resource zone

[upbeat sail]

if you want to defend from 3 directions sure

[vestal geyser]

do most pubs bring double sentry

[mystic moss]

nah it's definitely one of each

[vestal geyser]

ok

then two directions vs three isn't a big deal

you get more doors to mine

sentry on the open side

[burnt flume]

most pubs definitely bring foam

[sharp owl]

its kinda funny cuz its the only level ur like supposed to die

[pine root]

Double sentry is easier

[sharp owl]

what do you mean

[pine root]

Unless you understand ladder foam

[pine root]

Ignore them

[sharp owl]

you understand ladder foam

what is there to grasp

you put the goo on the ladder

[pine root]

You would be surprised

[blissful dome]

Lmaoooo

[pine root]

how many pubs do it wrong

[blissful dome]

[wicked solstice]

How do you ladder foam?

[blissful dome]

Foam the ladder

[wicked solstice]

epic, I thought it was at the base of the ladder

I’ll foam the stairs, thanks

[burnt flume]

like most things, technique is needed

[blissful dome]

No

Np*

[burnt flume]

if you know, you know

[blissful dome]

Pretend I can type

[burnt flume]

if you don't, well I'm not gonna teach you

[blissful dome]

🙏

[sharp owl]

oh mybad this isnt the spoiler chat

[blissful dome]

????

[sharp owl]

youll get it at the end

[upbeat sail]

the climbing animation they do makes them always get stuck in it

[sharp owl]

r2e1

[blissful dome]

Are you ok?

[gaunt lichen]

Actually you clear the entire room, leave 1 giant asleep and start the alarm, foam the giant to make it seem like a ghost is there to scare off sleepers

[sharp owl]

oh i thought u meant r8 lol

Rundown Two E One

sorry sorry

[blissful dome]

MF trolling

[sharp owl]

im struggling on r2e1 aswell

its the only r2 mission i havent finished yet

[pine root]

Crazy what if you had better Stan management

[blissful dome]

No way

[upbeat sail]

I mean its arguably the easiest E level

[blissful dome]

Stan management

[pine root]

R8e1

[blissful dome]

With r8e1 now

[pine root]

exists

[upbeat sail]

its why I said arguably

[sharp owl]

why is this dude always here to act like stamina is gonna help u beat the game

[blissful dome]

Eh

[sharp owl]

cuz thats all that matters right

besides killing enemies

[blissful dome]

R8 is easier

[sharp owl]

and actually doing stuff

[junior latch]

wat

[sharp owl]

r8e1 is pretty easy

[burnt flume]

stamina management helps keep you alive

and moving

[wispy bluff]

for a reason

[blissful dome]

You're easy

[burnt flume]

and that keeps you out of danger

[junior latch]

where the fuck even did that stamina point come from out of nowhere

[sharp owl]

what does this even mean

[blissful dome]

:3

[sharp owl]

thats what im saying

[pine root]

I am making fun of Jeff nut because he thinks Stam management isn’t a good gtfo skill

[blissful dome]

Nah

[junior latch]

WHAT

[sharp owl]

literally not even what i said wtf r u on

[junior latch]

its actually so good to know tho

[pine root]

Right

[junior latch]

also it triggers me so much when i see people run at 150+ stam

[blissful dome]

If you get to 180 before 1 second it won't affect anything

[junior latch]

the sound

the speed

[sharp owl]

i was saying its funny how this dude thinks me using the dodge from time to time is gonna kill me

[junior latch]

JUST WALK

current dodge sucks

[pine root]

correct

Just walk

[sharp owl]

i just like it

[junior latch]

stam usage being that high on something that you can use basically as good by sprinting is oof

people like current sniper, like current spear

[gray pilot]

Walking backwards actually saves stamina

[sharp owl]

waaaaa u cant play the game how u want to u have to play it my way

relax bro

[pine root]

Thank you Mr blade

[wispy bluff]

That was never their point

[gray pilot]

Walk backwards

[blissful dome]

sprinting walking

[wispy bluff]

They're just saying its the inferior decision

[sharp owl]

its not that deep

[wispy bluff]

Like saying that Assault Rifle sucks

Like, you can play it... It will kill things.

[burnt flume]

I mean, yea you can dodge if you want

[wispy bluff]

But you're gimping yourself.

[blissful dome]

I mean...

[burnt flume]

but it is objectively pretty terrible, and that's the point being made

[blissful dome]

You are stuck on r2e1

[pine root]

Na we are making an objective statement on the stamina management of dodge and you are like I lIkE iT

[sharp owl]

well ive barely tried it

[pine root]

Then

Stop

[sharp owl]

ive been doing r8

[pine root]

Typing

[blissful dome]

How far

Just curious

[sharp owl]

im mostly done all i gotta do is e2 and b4

[burnt flume]

I don't like being mean to people but each day I think we should have a walled gtfo community for specific people

[sharp owl]

i skipped b4

[burnt flume]

the cool ones, so to speak

[wispy bluff]

Oh fuck... I got the "all overloads" achievements. Really?... That was the last one?... Interesting.

[mystic moss]

the gtfo lunch table...

[gray pilot]

We should play sometime!

[sharp owl]

sure

[blissful dome]

Elitism???

[sharp owl]

i cant play rn though

[junior latch]

oy B3 is very fun

[indigo heart]

anyone know the password for a2 secondary? XD

or it changes every day?

[pine root]

Ask in spoiler chat

[sharp owl]

someone posted it in the spoiler chat

[blissful dome]

Real cool channel called #gtfo-spoiler-chat

[sharp owl]

its usually there

[indigo heart]

ty

[upbeat sail]

how

[blissful dome]

Lfg

[pine root]

It is probs because Jeff but pubs

[sharp owl]

joined a guy hosting c2 and beat it

[mystic moss]

|| There ❤️😘✨ is a secret ㊙ terminal in ☮️ the water 🌊 behind 🌥️🌤️ some 🐓 plant 🌾 wall 👤🙏 thats 🏩 needs 🙏🙌 a password 🔑 to open 👐 the secondary 🅱️ Bulkhead door. 🎻 The process 💻 to get 🔟 both 🌜 halves of the password 🔑 is rather 🐀 complicated 😥 but 😧 a short 🚸 video 📼👀📹 guide 🚶🏽 is here. The terminal is in 👏⚓ a unique floodways tile at the bottom ⬇️⬇️ of the water 🌊 trench. tucked in 🕺 the corner ◼️ some 🐺💯 plant 🌵 wall 🧱🎶🎵 will ☠️ be 🤔 covering the entrance and you 👉👲 can 👄 just 🏼 walk 🚶‍♀ through. 🧑‍⚖️ Ta-da! 🎉 all 👨 you 👉🏼 need 😭 now 😱🎅 is the password. 🔑 The password 🔑 changes 🤷‍♀️ every 💯🤬 week ❗ or so but 😥 the last 😍 one ☝🏻 recorded was dx2ky-9wqk2. In 😻 order 🤜📑 to get 🉐 the two 2️⃣ halves of the password 🔑 you 🕺 need 🤝 to access 🚪🚪 two 🎄 terminals on 🚟🔛 R8B2, one 1️⃣ terminal is in 📥 the Kraken 🐙😨 fight 🥊 and the other 👪👪 is in 👏👏 Secondary. 🅱️ the Kraken 🐙😨 fight 🥊 terminal will 🤔👙 only 👨‍👩‍👦‍👦👨‍👦👩‍👦👨‍👦👩‍👦 generate 🌟✨ the password 🔑 log 📩📩 5 🔳 minutes 1️⃣5️⃣ after 😌 the Kraken 🐙😨 fight 🥊 starts, 🔘 so you 👈 will 🤔👙 need 👏👏 to get 0️⃣ over 🤬 there 👉 quick 🏃‍♀ once 🕜 the Kraken 🐙😨 is dead 😵 before 💰😩 you 💩🏃 are teleported back. ↪️ the other 💰 one 🖖 is is easy ❓ to access 👟👞🥾👞 once 🕜 you 🤟 have 🈶 put 😏 in 🏽 the relevant terminal command. ||

[upbeat sail]

yeah that works

[gray pilot]

Isn't b3 made by the delivery team?

[blissful dome]

NOOOO

[sharp owl]

ill come back for b4

[junior latch]

hm ?

[sharp owl]

that moving scan with the fliers is a little hard

[blissful dome]

:|

[upbeat sail]

he doesn't know

[gray pilot]

Isnt R8B3 created by the staff members who mainly work in the delivery team of 10 chambers?

[sharp owl]

u mean the vent commands

[upbeat sail]

no :)

[sharp owl]

oh really

i want the method bro

[blissful dome]

Huh

[junior latch]

i actually dont know

[gray pilot]

Oh

[blissful dome]

Interesting

[upbeat sail]

oh its not a method just the level has much much much worse stuff later you can find on your own

[sharp owl]

is that really all u were talking about

[upbeat sail]

yes

[sharp owl]

ive got to the end of the level its not that bad past that scan

we just died right at the end

[blissful dome]

:P

[upbeat sail]

it is for 2 man tbh

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[sharp owl]

id imagine

datasphere too heavy

[upbeat sail]

everything before that was fine just ||cell/sphere escorts|| are masochistic to pull off

[sharp owl]

needs to be a bit rounder so i can bowl it at strikers and knock them over

[sharp owl]

dont forget the baby

what do they even do with the babies again maybe i missed some lore stuff

[upbeat sail]

the r3 one or

[sharp owl]

in general

after its resuscitated

it gets like imprinted

and like thats it

but what is it used for

[upbeat sail]

idk I think its used to make a body for the warden or something

[sharp owl]

oh yea

the units

thats probably it

[upbeat sail]

though oddly my 2 man group never had issues escorting that one

[keen elbow]

don't spoil mah lore REEEeeEEeeEee

[vague ledge]

Anyone have a fix for the 'work together' achievement yet? I've had multiple runs not go through...

[wispy pendant]

TIL that there's scratches on your visor if you look at a bright light like something from a terminal you can see scratches on your screen / HUD

Someone went out of their way to make a shader for such a small detail that you almost never pay attention to and I love that

[lost lynx]

huh

i nneed to check that

[wispy pendant]

Its insane

with attention to detail like that im surprised this game runs as well as it does :P

[lost lynx]

sometimes

a lot of times the game just dies

but im surprised the game doesnt really take that long to load

even for my potato laptop

[wispy pendant]

well, fps drops during loading is normal since the loading screen is not a video and is playable, but most of my friends with craptops dont suffer too much

i have a good pc so idk but

[lost lynx]

during loading screens is fine

but in some expeditions my fps goes from 60 to 25-30

especially in R8

[wispy pendant]

especially them beeg rooms

[lost lynx]

||big rooms run better than small rooms||

[wispy pendant]

[neon kayak]

can someone tell me the code to a2?

i forgot it

[latent palm]

Ask on spoiler channel

[neon kayak]

ok

[regal narwhal]

hello! I am a returning player got any recommendations where to join? Seems the game has expanded so much already. I'm kinda getting overwhelmed with the content.

[balmy moat]

Play in chronological order

From R1 to R8

[regal narwhal]

is the ingame matchmaking better?

[balmy moat]

No

[wispy bluff]

Absolutely not.

[balmy moat]

Don’t use that

[regal narwhal]

ah. i thought so. hahaha

[wispy bluff]

Same old. Just post a hosting message in LFG channels and people will join you. Play whatever way you see fit, but later rundowns are full of new content that will not appear in earlier rundowns, so earlier rundowns might feel bland and outdated in comparison.

[regal narwhal]

i dont think it will be bland at all for me. my last game was over a year ago.

[serene jewel]

idk how I can convince people that the auto sentry is just flaming garbage that just wastes our tool refills

[wispy bluff]

I mean its pretty great at holding waves back in a pinch, saved my life a couple of times

You're just not meant to leave it somewhere to do its' own thing, it has to be assiting something

Either holding targets for another sentry, or you place it down when wave is almost in your face and it will keep it away

For that reason alone its pretty much a situational tool. Cfoam without the door interactions.

[high orchid]

why auto sentry when can hel pistol

esp with that damage buff

[wispy bluff]

Because can't be at 2 places at once.
Also it allows you to bring a gun that actually deals damage too.

Well... More damage.

[high orchid]

yeah but because you didn't take auto sentry that means you can take like burst or sniper

[wispy bluff]

Still think it could use another like 150 bullets extra

[flat perch]

if u liked rundown 7, youre gonna love r8 🙂

[high orchid]

also hel pistol damage increase actually makes it feel good at killing

[serene jewel]

can the burst cannon still one burst giants from the front with damage boosts

[high orchid]

unless my math is wrong it cannot from the front

[wispy bluff]

22 x 3 = 66 damage total per burst.
Even if last shot lands on head - with prec multi of x0.73 it will only deal +2 extra damage for total of 68.
You'll need at least +82% special damage before the burst can oneshot giants again.

[sharp owl]

i just realized that the precision rifle truly is the anti shadow gun

and not just because thermals

[wispy bluff]

Oh?

[unreal crystal]

It’s pretty good

[sharp owl]

it's because they move slowly enough so you can easily headshot them

so you can hit your entire mag on headshots

and it's fantastic

[wispy bluff]

I know, right?

Feels so good to pop those suckers

[sharp owl]

i had a game earlier today where i killed like 16 things with 20 bullets or something insane

[latent palm]

nope

[serene jewel]

Ouch

What is that, aggressive and bold or all three?

And even then you need all headshots?

[wispy bluff]

You can't land all headshot

Giant's head will probably pop after the first bullet

[serene jewel]

Oh right

[wispy bluff]

Just do a double take, its fine

Just ask your teammates to not fucking strafe when you're about to bust

For some reason they are just so happy to jump in front of you and have their health bar deleted

[serene jewel]

Yeah true

They do that regardless of firearm too

Do you think it's still worth using the burst cannon

[wispy bluff]

Absolutely

Even more so than before

[serene jewel]

I know scatter is overpowered now but

[wispy bluff]

Old BC was kinda stupid and just infuriating to work with

It was technically OP, but its too much work and wasn't fun

[serene jewel]

Idk I don't like having to run up in front of something to delete it if it's in a group

Maybe I'm asking for too much

[wispy bluff]

New BC is just reasonably powerful. Its far more versatile and doesn't require a PHD to operate.

[serene jewel]

Yeah true

I've been looking at bc because holy shit sniper is garbage now

[wispy bluff]

You see giant - you delete giant.
You see many ememies - you spray many enemies, a couple of them will even die.

The one thing that truly got nerfed was the boss-killing, but eh...

[serene jewel]

Yeah so it's my option when I don't want to facetank giants

Like r2d2

Although

[wispy bluff]

Sniper's in an akward position right now.

Extra ammo is appreciated, but they really don't want you to be killing things too fast

[fierce vortex]

Is the slug shotgun not great?

[wispy bluff]

Not really

Its very fun, but got some issues

[serene jewel]

I don't know what it's supposed to be

[lost lynx]

no

[serene jewel]

They advertised it as some effective giant killer

[fierce vortex]

I heard it can't one shot normal strikers/shooters.

[serene jewel]

But it's really not

It can

But

[lost lynx]

it can

[wispy bluff]

It can

Well... Strikers, that is.

[lost lynx]

but you need to be right infront of him

[wispy bluff]

At 7 meters of range

[serene jewel]

It just sucks against smalls

[lost lynx]

and if you are fighting 1 striker you will be fighting more than one

[serene jewel]

Rate of fire is bad, ammo pool is bad

[wispy bluff]

Shooters - headshot only

[serene jewel]

For larges it's just a worse sawed off

[lost lynx]

and it takes AGES to load the next shot

so you will get hit

[fierce vortex]

I just heard it's the Combat Shotgun but as a Primary.

[serene jewel]

No

lol

[wispy bluff]

No, that's HEL Shotgun

[lost lynx]

who told you that

[wispy bluff]

Different gun.

[serene jewel]

That's hel

[burnt flume]

it has the same fire sound, but functions nothing like the combat shotgun

it functions more like the worlds worst high caliber pistol

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, High Cal of mains is its' new monike

Just needs that fall off range pushed to like 10m at least

And either fire rate increase or mag from 6 > 8

[high orchid]

it's more of an issue with hel rifle than BC

[burnt flume]

... and more firerate

... and more ammo

[wispy bluff]

I think fire rate as it is is fine if you can pop things from twice the range it has now

[lost lynx]

i really dont see any situation were someone can say:
"oh ima bring slug shotgun"

[wispy bluff]

Ammo... I don't know. I find it that i have to work hard to run out of ammo on mains anyway

Just never need it, really

[burnt flume]

if you have enough time to shoot something once with a slug shotgun, you have enough time to shoot 3 things in the head and then body with hel revo/dmr

it's not even funny

[fierce vortex]

I keep switching around between Sawed-Off, HEL Revolver, Burst Pistol, and DMR/Double Tap Rifle.

Burst Pistol, I can't decide if it's great, OK, or just bad.

[wispy bluff]

Its OK

[high orchid]

I want to like slug but sawed off, especially with it now having a clip of 4, just feels so much nicer at killing in general

[wispy bluff]

I love it

Great brainless hipfire gun

ADSing makes almost no difference to burst spread

[fierce vortex]

What is the worst gun to hipfire?

[lost lynx]

sniper?

[high orchid]

sniper

[wispy bluff]

Uh, sniper and DMR i suppose?

[burnt flume]

I've had some bad experiences hipfiring dmr

[wispy bluff]

DMR hip is horrific, yeah. Probably intended too.

[fierce vortex]

Hipfiring DMR feels like I have to dislocate my shoulder and arm to shoot straight.

[burnt flume]

I will be looking at a sleeper in hammer range with my DMR, hipfire it thrice and no shots will hit

[trim sail]

does anyone have the code for a2 ? I used this one dx2ky-9wqk2, it did not work

[wispy bluff]

It could've gotten updated

Which means you'll have to acquire the new one.

[serene jewel]

Where do you even get that

[lost lynx]

R8B2

main and sec

[livid gulch]

uhm achually sniper is worse to use compared to scattergun

[serene jewel]

I don't remember if I did that before

[sharp owl]

@wispy bluff no that was just a standard run that didnt go anywhere

[wispy bluff]

Ah, i see.

I recently got my clear too.

[sharp owl]

pog

[wispy bluff]

Some kind dude kinda carried us, but also we got mega lucky

It was same fucking terminal 3 times in a row

[serene jewel]

Scattergun arc done, burst cannon time

[lost lynx]

||slug shotgun||

[sharp owl]

yup

the only way

[wispy bluff]

I can't tell if its true RNG or an intended design at this point

It at least feels fair then.

We actually messed up and opened one room we didn't need to. Well... [I] messed up, and opened the door. The muscles demanded it.

moving this to #gtfo-spoiler-chat >

[serene jewel]

no\

[quaint cairn]

smh no love here for the sluggy wuggy

:3

[high orchid]

why slug when sawed off

the buff now lets it kill giants in 1 clip

[noble cypress]

Will devs create some sort of option to unlock all apparel in the future?

[quaint cairn]

no

[lost lynx]

no

[quaint cairn]

that defeats the entire purpose of playing

[high orchid]

I just want to get overload six

[sharp owl]

Has the option to reach out against shooters or strikers with hs

[high orchid]

and has a long ass delay between shots

[sharp owl]

And a good reload

It's slow but fun

[quaint cairn]

sawed off does not pair well with high cal, and you cant convince me to not use high cal

[high orchid]

it pairs way better with revo

[sharp owl]

Can sawed off one hit scouts?

[velvet atlas]

in the head, it should

if everything hits

[quaint cairn]

you have to shove the barrel down it's throat

[velvet atlas]

yea

lol

might as well melee it

[keen elbow]

hmmm

do i matchmake for r2c1

[high orchid]

nah I'd say do it solo

[junior latch]

people underrate sawed off range

[high orchid]

but fr tho just ask in one of the lfg chats

[wispy bluff]

things 30 damage lets you get away with

[junior latch]

yup

[wispy bluff]

Much ironically the reason why Slugman doesn't get the same treament...

A bit too close to that breakpoint

25 dmg buff when

[junior latch]

i mean buffing dmg is effectively just a range buff, ignoring some weird breakpoints like 5 shotting giants etc

[wispy bluff]

Why not, could use it

[junior latch]

i feel actual range would be more thematic

and is the same thing in the end

[wispy bluff]

Hmmm

Suppose so. But will need something else on the side too.

[quaint cairn]

not really, you can add as much range as you want but it still wont kill a charger

[high orchid]

assuming your teammates don't damage it

or your sentry

[wispy bluff]

I probably don't even mind taking 2 shots to killing a charger

[wraith marsh]

buffing damage by 50% is a bit more than a rebalance

[wispy bluff]

I just wish i could take said 2 shots faster

[junior latch]

theres a gigantic difference between 29 and 30

which is also what i think artek meant

[wispy bluff]

Also people seriously don't decry the sight hard enough

i hate it so much

[quaint cairn]

^

also the short rifle sight

[high orchid]

it aint that bad

[wispy bluff]

Short Rifle sight is fine, i'm kinda slowly falling in love with it

Its my new Bullpup

[junior latch]

also just as bad

actually

its worse

[high orchid]

isn't it basically just a second main?

[junior latch]

it not staggering

makes it a pure econ killer

while being below average for killing smalls

so its rly just an econ gun thats fun

[wispy bluff]

I found it to be surprisingly effective.

Far more effective than HAR even

I actually land my shots

[junior latch]

you play spear and bullpup

[wispy bluff]

However once giants show up... Yeah, that's a problem.

[junior latch]

if you give HAR the og R6 recoil it stomps short rifle into the ground

[wraith marsh]

current har sweeps it still

[junior latch]

HAR (while generally pretty meh) at least has very good short/short-mid range burst wave clear and staggers (plus better breakpointsh

legit only thing har loses in is econ

[junior latch]

this is so tragic to read

can we get og r6 HAR back?

[wraith marsh]

I would love that

honestly I think current one is more ok than ppl give it credit for

[junior latch]

That would be so much fun with hel shotty or sawed off

[wraith marsh]

it just has auto syndrome like the mains do

[wispy bluff]

I will never forgive the 149 max ammo

It disgusts me

In fact the Shorty ammo is what i want to see on my HAR

[junior latch]

i think the recoil just makes it unfun while also making its controlled playstyle (what it should stand out for honestly as the non charge up special full auto) harder to effectively play

[wispy bluff]

Just swap the goddamn numbers! And then buff shorty to like 6 or 7 dmg or whatever, i don't know.

For this sacrifice i'm ready to even accept a humble nerf to 4.9 dmg

[wraith marsh]

nah losing 5 damage is huge

[wispy bluff]

I'm sure it is, but its just not doing anything for me if i cant land my fucking shots

With ammo supply like this HAR better be dealing 6.0 or else i'm just not interested

[junior latch]

It legit means if you have trouble landing shots that you hit even less

4.9 stagger less, kills less

Ah yes the breakpoint of 6 dmg

[quaint cairn]

giving har more ammo or damage will make the arbalist useless though

[junior latch]

that changes nothing

[wraith marsh]

already is 😎

[junior latch]

just veruta if you want a full auto

[wraith marsh]

yup

[quaint cairn]

i would argue the arbalist has it's use for smaller waves

[wispy bluff]

I think i already run some calc on it, and i believe it allows HAR to kill strikers in 2 shots

6.0 x 0.8 x 3 = 14.4 and then you take another 6.0 shot and its dead

15 kills per mag if flawless. Mean shit.

And killing giants in like.. 4 bullets less. Not a game changer, but neat to have.

Also 1 less bullet for chargers too

[wraith marsh]

then argue

[junior latch]

the arbalist is „better“ vs smaller waves

until you realize veruta isnt rly worse. Its just that veruta doesnt outclass it 10 times over like vs actual groups of enemies

[quaint cairn]

its easier to keep on target, does more damage, has more ammo, and more range

[junior latch]

Ah right forgor its prec mult wasnt 0.74

yea that isnt gonna happen

[wraith marsh]

has more ammo and range?

keep on target sure, does more damage is kinda irrelevant

veruta has higher fire rate so their dps about evens out

[junior latch]

same exact range no?

it has more effective range i guess

due to how it shoots

but bruh

[quaint cairn]

i was comparing arbalist to har

veruta beats both imo

[wraith marsh]

well that is what me and eva were saying

[wispy bluff]

Arbalist is just easier to control due to how little recoil it has when ADSing. That is its' entire selling point.
If you got the patience and skills for dealing with veruta's shenanigans - its a direct upgrade then.

But it does currently outclasses HAR somewhat, that i can agree with

20 extra bullets and 150 extra damage total or something like. Better recoil, better sight, mag size allows it to do things longer...

The only downside you get is that you better not be caught reloading.