gtfo-chat

[unborn quiver]

Yeah, I feel like I see most vets running hammer. Knife was goofy fun when I tried it but it doesn’t seem as flexible

[thick temple]

knife is just too much fun for me it'll never not be my favorite
hammer is defo most used still
but i love knife

[normal lake]

pretty much same here

[sharp siren]

Everything its usable since he had to buff everything due to powercreep

[normal lake]

i run hammer because knife is worthless in any level with a few sleeping giants

[wraith marsh]

you know its bad when even hel gun gets a buff

[normal lake]

but in my heart im still knife gang

[wraith marsh]

except combat shotty and hel shotty got nerfs lmao

[sharp siren]

Yeah its goofy as shit

@silver spade

I keep telling him but he dont wanna listen 😔

[normal lake]

the reason most people dislike spear is you cannot sprint while charging it

[sharp siren]

Or the the fact that it consumes stamina on shove

Or any action

[normal lake]

that and less stagger

[unborn quiver]

OH that’s a spear thing? What the hell, I was wondering why I could see people with hammers moving WAY faster while charging

[vestal crystal]

do not harrass sam please, he will nerf max frames in next map

[wraith marsh]

so true

[normal lake]

yeah but mind you, you use a lot of stamina if your sprinting around swinging a hammer like a mad man

[wraith marsh]

I have not used spear in ages

the last time I used it was while playing randomizer and it just felt super restrictive

[normal lake]

i cant use it without waking everything up

[unborn quiver]

I imagine that lets you clear clusters a lot more reliably though

[sharp siren]

Spear its aight

It just need to be better

[normal lake]

most players with over 200 hours can kill 1 or 2 awake giants with hammer without taking a hit of damage

[sharp siren]

I like the slow gameplay

[normal lake]

its just to damn consistant

[sharp siren]

And pray to god i get a pen kill lineup

[wraith marsh]

knife needs spear hitbox, bat and spear get occi 1 tap

[normal lake]

just be inside the scout when you attack a scout with knife

[unborn quiver]

Same, spear is so good for picking through rooms solo

[normal lake]

not even memeing its actually consistant as fuck with knife if you just play hyper aggressively

[wraith marsh]

gotta go for the hammer double kills

[vestal crystal]

hes probably talking about for normal guys

[normal lake]

oh yeah i know

its still funny tho just how good knife can be at killing scouts

still tho it will never match hammer

[wraith marsh]

its fine yeah

[mystic moss]

it's over for you, the jish brain rot has taken over

[wraith marsh]

it really has

[normal lake]

scouts are to janky for consistent occuiput hits

[wraith marsh]

I play with my squad and I just see them now

[vestal crystal]

its joever for chill dude...

hes gonna be talking about the "new tech" to his friends from now on

[normal lake]

everyone in my squad are convinced that a mere group of 6 strikers is light work with hammer alone

[wraith marsh]

180 hits will always be mine

despite definitely not being the first person to check if it worked

[normal lake]

it always ends same way with someone severely damaged but its never not funny

[vestal crystal]

wdym 180 hits

flick occis?

[wraith marsh]

hitting an enemy thats behind you with sledge by looking straight up

[vestal crystal]

oh

[normal lake]

i didnt even know that was possible

[wraith marsh]

I need to record a limb break giant solo with only those hits sometime

it will be funny as shit

#gtfo-media message

prime example

[normal lake]

shit i need to learn how to do that so i can say "damn this desync actin kinda weird" as im fuckin popping heads behind me

[wraith marsh]

it works on every standing enemy

[normal lake]

thats fuckin wild

[wraith marsh]

I have not tried it on hybrids

/crouching shadow giants

but I think theyre tall enough

and it does not break back multiplier

[normal lake]

i cant believe that works at all ive had my hammer go clean through scouts heads on multiple occassions and still land body shots

[pine root]

How did I not see this when it first dropped

I need to build this into my play

[wraith marsh]

its fun

I do it when were playing lol

[pine root]

And I double hit

[old wadi]

strats for r7d1?

[normal lake]

suffer

[old wadi]

thanks

[normal lake]

pray that you dont get atleast 10 major bugs while playing the level and then you might just taste victory

[pine root]

Do error then pull charger rooms scan then go pull class 10 then deactivate all the alarms

Pretty simple

[normal lake]

speaking of that intended feature can you just leave someone in the room with the terminal to deactivate alarms while you activate the class 10

[old wadi]

so you can deactivate charger alarm?

[pine root]

Yeah

It is very easy cheese

[normal lake]

its been a year since that bug existed atleast as far as im aware so its a feature

[wraith marsh]

yes, that is what jish's strat is

[pine root]

Take the pr

[normal lake]

just like rooms in that map being invisible

[pine root]

Be good

[old wadi]

cheesy

[normal lake]

and desync ruining ovl

[cinder cypress]

has r7d1 been buffed since 2022?

[pine root]

No

[old wadi]

but u need all players to start scan?

[pine root]

It has been nerfed

[old wadi]

that terminal is far

[cinder cypress]

how do I see videos with like almost no monsters at all

[pine root]

What do you think the terminal does

[thick temple]

random question
does deactivate alarms cheese work in r6||c1 tall room thing||

[old wadi]

I understood that you said, you start charger alarm, then one player deactivates alarm from terminal?

[pine root]

It would but the door doesn’t open till you finish the error

[cinder cypress]

the terminal at zone 191?

[pine root]

Yeah

Correct

[cinder cypress]

I mean 199

[normal lake]

id say do it legit but honestly that level is such a fucking mess than cheesing it is a better alternative than doing it legit

[old wadi]

that same terminal to lower first alarm x to lvl 5?

[pine root]

Yup

[thick temple]

ah then maybe i just have a misunderstanding of how that stuff works then
i thought for some reason the command worked multiple times

[pine root]

You can only use the command once tho

Gl

[old wadi]

but how about the first alarm then, you have to make it legit? because in that situation you would have to deactivate 2 alarms in one game

[pine root]

Hey

[cinder cypress]

Run with the charger alarm to zone 199 👍

[normal lake]

@old wadijust a heads up the hard part of the level is the end section past the class 10 charger alarm

[pine root]

3 actually

You can kite shadows tho to make it easier

[normal lake]

literally had to map out the terminals on that shit

[old wadi]

sounds fun to run with chargers and shadow guys to turn off alarms from zone 199

[pine root]

Easiest way to clear the level

[normal lake]

shadows run slower right

[mystic moss]

IF I HAVE TO HEAR ONE MORE TIME, "hey guys check out this new tech", IM GONNA GO INSANE

[pine root]

hey guys

Check out this new tech

[wraith marsh]

whatsup guys

back with another gtfo tech video

[pine root]

It is called ladder foam

[old wadi]

so summarized, you clear scout room, do class x alarm to open door to charger hallway. You start charger alarm, then run to error alarm and start it also. Then you rush to zone 199 through class iv alarm, and deactivate all alarms from zone 199 terminal, is that right?

[pine root]

Sounds about right you did add a step in their

But I will let you firgure out which one

[old wadi]

I cant fidure out which step I can skip

[pine root]

Yup do you know what the terminal does and in what order

I don’t think you do tbh

[normal lake]

he missed the part where one of the 4 people have a bug which makes a room invisible or the part where you laugh at a box spawning halfway inside a wall

[pine root]

Firgure it out and it will be pretty easy

But tbh idk how much I can trust you to find correct information

[old wadi]

so first you deactivate alarm, and then you lower the alarm for next door. I cant understand how you skip charger alarm with this strat

[pine root]

That is the fun though

[pine root]

Why do it in that order

@mystic moss should I tell him about the scout solf lock method

It could be funny

[mystic moss]

nah I'd rather have someone knowledgeable about the game explain it

[pine root]

Your right

😭 wish we had someone who knew the game

[old wadi]

🤓

I figured it out, but you basically have 3 waves of enemies from different alarms, when you deactivate. It can be crazy to clear em out

[mystic moss]

gl

[pine root]

sure

Sounds about right king

[rough robin]

i wish they didnt hold it up against their chin

show me some ARM

[little ridge]

yes shadows are slower

[hasty grove]

is anybody doing R1B2 ? im new and require help

[sharp owl]

id say quite a boring rundown, lacks chargers, i like chargers except when i dont

[sharp owl]

#lfg-beginners may have someone tryna run that

[hasty grove]

ik but idk how the clipboard code join thingy works lmao

[unborn quiver]

thinking.emoji

[sharp owl]

:thinking

[sharp owl]

just copy the code and go in the game

a red button will appear

says join (user)

[hasty grove]

tried it when i joined no one was there n-n

[sharp owl]

must have been a bug 🤔

[stone flare]

is this game worth im thinking about getting

[sharp owl]

there is plenty of content to keep you busy for like a 1000 hrs or so

even more enjoyable if you have a dedicated group

if not u can find people here in lfgs

[stone flare]

Oh ok just don’t wanna get bored with it

[coarse grail]

You will fail at levels and have to play and learn from your mistakes again and again

If that sounds unappealing it might not be for you

[rose nova]

sometimes the lobby code changes when they start the level so if it doesnt work ask for a new one too

[stone flare]

That’s like aliens fire team elite but is the like hella slow

Lobby code ?

[sharp owl]

there are 68 lvls you can play currently and half of those have optional objectives

[stone flare]

🤨

[rose nova]

ah thats the way to join a lobby ksmdkm

4 people game

:3

[stone flare]

My head already hurt can’t just download the game an game in lobby 🧐🧐

[coarse grail]

don't worry about the lobby code slendi was speaking to someone else

[stone flare]

Ohh

[coarse grail]

the main thing is either you have a group to play the game with or you are happy to match with people on the server here

playing it alone isn't as fun

and some content will be impossible for you

[rose nova]

theres bots to fill up spaces btu some missions require that cooperation

[fierce viper]

having one bot on scanner is always nice since they have like 4x range with it for some reason

and you can shoot him in the back of the head at extract

[surreal plaza]

at the cost of hearing them repeat the 5 something lines throughout the entire expedition

like it's great and all but

yes Bishop there's a scout 3 rooms away yes

[true pilot]

just turn off dialogue volume

[hasty grove]

how does one make a "link" to a vc?

[rose nova]

go into the vc u want, right click, 'copy link' and then u should b able to paste it

[hasty grove]

k thx

[rose nova]

and when u send ur message the lil box sayin 'JOIN' should appear

[normal egret]

this game is better play on controller or with mouse and keyboard ????

[rose nova]

hello, way better with mouse n keyboard

theres some stuff that u cant do on a controller, like use terminals or some keybinds

unless u like, put em on other buttons i guess

[wispy bluff]

Unless you're super good with controller aim

[rose nova]

but still better with keyboard :]

[wispy bluff]

Does this game even support auto aim?

[rose nova]

what

[hasty grove]

its pc only so id assume it doesnt

[rose nova]

even if gtfo was in xbox im sure it wouldnt have the option for it lmao

[wispy bluff]

Right. Mouse it is then unless you're super pro with controller.

[normal egret]

i remember one of the dev wrote on twitter that for now they has no plan to release GTFO on consoles, i was dying to play this game, but i only had a ps4 fat

[stone flare]

Eww

[normal egret]

I have GTFO on my steam cart right now, along with Sons of The Forest, and

[coarse grail]

and...??!!

Bro don't keep me in suspense any longer

[normal egret]

sorry haha Total warhammer 3

[serene berry]

from what I understand, total Warhammer is only a fantastic if you buy every version and expansion

[coarse grail]

thank you 😌

Hey Wheat what is your favourite board game?

[fierce viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-tf2engineer-use-a-gun-and-if-that-dont-work-gif-17911768

[grand vortex]

man its been over a year since we got any new content for this game. Im hoping r8 is an absolute banger

[sharp owl]

aim assist you mean?

[wispy bluff]

Yes.

That thing you see in every AAA FPS project gameplay preview.

Where the guns ever so slightly get glued to the targets.

[mint light]

good lad

[mint light]

nah immortal empires is now for everyone that has WHIII, after that you just buy the races you'd like to pl;ay form WH1 and II

[grand vortex]

I dont think there's aim assist

[mint light]

WHIII

[fierce viper]

I mean alt rundown 5 just came out, I dont know how much is different between the normal rundowns and their alt counterparts but it's more levels

[grand vortex]

They change a little bit

But it's very little

thwy add a few new rooms, some random props, and sometimes a new enemy or 2

[sharp owl]

that would be brain dead tbh

[unborn quiver]

Fwiw it makes sense to a degree on consoles because you're just not capable of the same level of accuracy with a stick that you are with a mouse

[surreal forge]

Major updat just a few days ago

[grand vortex]

And considering that it takes them this long to re-release old content means that either they are working on something else, or may be burnt out with development.

[fierce viper]

thats what I said

[grand vortex]

yea but its just old content

with a small change

[fierce viper]

how many people work there anyway?

[wispy bluff]

Skeleton crew

[sharp owl]

thats fair but some assists from what i experienced are too good even pc players cant compete

[wispy bluff]

Most people are working on new scifi heist game

[grand vortex]

yea i heard about that

but we dont know really anything

[fierce viper]

go on

[unborn quiver]

Oh yeah, fully agree. It can definitely be way overdone

[grand vortex]

i understand taking 2-3 months to release a completely new rundown, with brand new levels, enemies and objectives. But they added nothing new in these rundowns. Sure they updated them with stuff currently there, but it shouldn't take this long. Unless of course, they are putting more effort into a different title

It's been over a year since we got anything new

[unborn quiver]

I mean it's also not super common for a dev to continue to update a game with no DLC/"games as a service"-type stuff after release with major content

[normal egret]

i´m new here, we can talk about other games or not ? haha

[unborn quiver]

Sorry, my grammar was horrible there, but I think you get what I'm trying to say

[grand vortex]

yea i get what you mean, but they have only had 2 "story" rundowns (6 and 7). They deffinitley are going to release 1 or 2 more before they stop development

I'm just wondering what's taking so long

[coarse grail]

yeah its fine

[grand vortex]

If they are working on a new title, then i hope its more mainstream, allowing the dev team to get more funding for future development. While i love gtfo, it's playerbase is small, so i get why it's difficult to continue working.

[grand vortex]

I don't think i've ever seen an admin/mod tell someone they are using the wrong channel.

just say whatever

[sharp owl]

i think thats mostly cuz the admin/mods are sleeping

[grand vortex]

I forgot timezones exist

its early afernoon rn for me

[empty tide]

is R5E1 hard because you get ||100% infection from the start||?

[latent palm]

No

The fog is the problem

[empty tide]

so you just hang around 85% to 100% infection?

[latent palm]

85% cause human immune system can stop it from staying at critical rate (or mask)

But fog is exceptionally a dick in this

[empty tide]

Was curious if you get any disinfection packs

[latent palm]

Cause it literally burns you

[latent palm]

You do alarms to get disinfectant stations

[empty tide]

sweet

[latent palm]

1 zone spawn 2 scouts

It is a divider room

[wispy bluff]

That's part of it. You solve that issue later, the game will double down on everything else instead.

[latent palm]

So if one scout scream other on if in deeper of the room wont be triggered

[empty tide]

are mines needed for R5E1?

[latent palm]

Yes

[wispy bluff]

Maybe

[empty tide]

any blood doors?

[latent palm]

One of each tools is very good for this level

[latent palm]

Alot

And they are exceptionally hard

Cause they can have a very interesting guest sleeping inside

[empty tide]

scout, tank, mother?

[latent palm]

Tanks

No birthers if i recall correctly

[empty tide]

[vagrant veldt]

Cyberpunk Payday title. All that is known about it. So not mainstream I guess. Time will tell.

[latent palm]

Thats not even the road block

The scout after surge V alarm makes you and your team tread on thin ice

Cause it wont be smalls

[grand vortex]

both cyperpunk and payday are a lot more mainstream than GTFO

[latent palm]

It will be giants on giants also accompanied by 1-2 hybirds

[vagrant veldt]

Had to wait to play because videocard busted and just got a new one. Seems like I got quite the road ahead for D and E.

[latent palm]

@empty tide move to #gtfo-spoiler-chat to ask more

[vagrant veldt]

Cyberpunk 2077 is. Cyberpunk titles in general, not so much. Payday is quite wellknown but not Horizon or COD known.

I'd say it depends, if that new game is GTFO hard from the start, it will be a cult like thing. If it is easy to access and play, it will get more people interested.

[old wadi]

what turrets r7d1

and guns?

[grand vortex]

good ones idk?

i always use sniper

[old wadi]

charger alarm

[grand vortex]

and then pick whatever guns

sniper sentry is where its at

[serene berry]

i don't like sniper without a bot on bio

[grand vortex]

get bot on bio then

[serene berry]

but ya, don't bring pee shooters like the PDW then, try to make your primary a pistol type weapon

[serene berry]

[latent palm]

Whatchu say bout my boi pdw?

[serene berry]

probably not the best weapon for charger alarms lol

[latent palm]

Ah that

Thought you said thermal sights overrated

[coral tartan]

Long range pistol (rifle)

[serene berry]

nah PR is long range pistol

[serene berry]

uhh its great, maybe overrated, but still very good

[random fox]

Did we ever get a reason why they removed dodge

Or rather the longer dodge

[serene berry]

adding stamina broke it, they said it was an accident, they never fixed it

[burnt flume]

they just kinda screwed the movement, not sure if anyone knows any motivation

and yea that too

somehow stamina broke it, I don't think anyone knows how or why

[serene berry]

well there is a modder who fixed it, they might know what happened under the hood.

big maybe though

[random fox]

Oh lol
Thought they removed it cause I guess some super sweats could solo things

[burnt flume]

it has not prevented anyone from soloing everything

just makes it more annoying

[rose nova]

i mean dodging isnt necessary either, u can evade all enemy attacks with good enough timing or stagger

or cover

[pine root]

Yeah but it was nice for the sake of the game

[robust gull]

generally speaking people don't like having their movement restricted

[serene berry]

more movement give more options. options are pretty cool

[rose nova]

mh i guess thats true

[robust gull]

😎 follow me for more mindblowing game dev tips from a non developer

[wispy bluff]

What was the long dodge exactly? The little shaffle when you smack sprint button while moving sideways?

[burnt flume]

hey that's my opinion, get your hands off it

[serene berry]

yes, it used to be a sizable side step, but now it is a stupid stamina spend

[burnt flume]

you could bhop with it to go pretty far actually

[serene berry]

really? lol damn

thats hilarious

[burnt flume]

especially backwards

[wispy bluff]

Hm. Good thing I wasn't there.

[robust gull]

i will lick you

[sharp siren]

Based individuals used dodge for shooting

[serene berry]

as opposed to mouse?

[robust gull]

wanna have a lan party for minecraft, sleepover, and maybe play spin the bottle?

[serene berry]

boys will be boys

[sharp siren]

boys will be boys

[old wadi]

are r7d1 terminals always same spot and same numbers. last area

and if it is so, does someone have map

[pine root]

Pretty sure there is a map online

For every map

And yes they are in the same spot

[rose nova]

i dont think its the same numbers, think those change but the terminals r in the same spots

[serene berry]

yee, numbers on terminals change though

[wispy bluff]

Terminals are same spots, but codes might not be.

[old wadi]

uhh so just try to remember 1 of 15 terminals

[wispy bluff]

You can always use query / pings to pin point them.

I heard R7D1 is notorious solo exactly because of this.

[serene berry]

i write them in chat
WEST 345 789 248
MID 901 74 742 691

[old wadi]

thanks

[junior latch]

Damn, this reminds me. I forgot to check if it actually used stamina

[raw shard]

It doesn't

[serene berry]

Just keep in mind, that icon for the terminal on the far left side of zone 196 is incorrectly placed. the terminal is upstairs in the second room on that wall, not the first room

[raw shard]

It's useless anyway now that it got changed to be 0.0001m

[pine root]

You can use it to start b hops in any direction but that is it

[raw shard]

True, but you could also just start running in that direction as well lol

[pine root]

Yeah just for style

[raw shard]

Shame cause it did used to be useful

[junior latch]

backwards dash is still incredibly good

[pine root]

Yeah was really fun to learn about the for it to become useless in a week

[raw shard]

it really isn't

[serene berry]

yaaa, i was wondering how lol

[junior latch]

it rly is

you gain massive momentum immediatly combined with a hop

[raw shard]

I wouldn't say incredibly good though

it's useable

[serene berry]

for picking up objective items?

[junior latch]

then dash was never good either

it was useable

[pine root]

And for spacing giants

But that is about it

[raw shard]

Yeah but you said it's incredible

[serene berry]

ahh, there it is

[junior latch]

and for getting out of stealth aggro range immediatly without making a sound

[sharp owl]

R7C3 is bullshit mission and doesn't respect your time. I'd understand if it was just the wave in itself as one, but everything else on top of that is just plain dogshit mission design.

[junior latch]

honestly, the above and when picking up items is when i use it the most

[junior latch]

Hm

No artek, stay!

[raw shard]

i thought R7C3 was quite good

[wispy bluff]

Kinda a hot take, but I can sympathise.

[junior latch]

R7C3 first half gets pretty tedious after a while tbf

[sharp owl]

It's unnecessarily tedious.

[junior latch]

second half is cool if you dont only do main

[pine root]

Gtfo is a game that is designed to waste your time

[sharp owl]

Less so in some missions.

[wispy bluff]

Have you by any chance played R5 D1? Or R4 C3 PE?

[pine root]

I would argue you currently have it better than we did a year ago

[sharp owl]

Yes, everything up until R7 right now is even worse.

[junior latch]

R4C3pe doesnt waste your time that much

R5D1 tho loool

[pine root]

We couldn’t join in progress check point

Or start an uplink incorrectly without soft locking

[junior latch]

Huh, how so

[sharp owl]

Lack of checkpoints, level design is inferior to that in R7.

[junior latch]

Checkpoints suck ass most of the time anyhow

[wispy bluff]

Don't know, id still take one

[pine root]

The checkpoints in r7c3 are pretty goood tho

[sharp owl]

At least it helps you avoid wasting time.

[junior latch]

level design is arguable
R7 has very nice design. But it pales due to the whole of r2-r5 having a few banger levels

[wispy bluff]

Wiping on minute 150 is pretty dogshit experience

[junior latch]

Honestly. Not rly

sometimes ye, sometimes it wastes a ton

[old wadi]

are r7d1 terminals all around the map, it can go to the spawn for example?

[junior latch]

No…

[old wadi]

ok good

[pine root]

Only 194 195 196

[old wadi]

great

[junior latch]

See R2E1, R3D1, R4A2, R4C3, R4D1, R4D2, R4E1, R5A2, R5C2, R5D2, R5E1

[sharp owl]

No

[junior latch]

theres R4C2 and R5D1 tho…

holy shit those drag it out

[sharp owl]

I've no clue what you're getting at

[pine root]

Gtfo waste time

[wispy bluff]

Veterans have their own veteranic tastes and their understanding of good level design is pretty specific

[sharp owl]

Yeah it does, that's why we stopped trying to play anything before R7

[junior latch]

Ah yes thats why i say r4a2 :|

[junior latch]

i feel like thats more checkpoint based than level design honestly from how you reacted to my answer

[wispy bluff]

I have no idea what that means, I don't even remember the level

[sharp owl]

It's a combination of things.

[junior latch]

Cringe artek veteran not remembering an A level

[sharp owl]

I just don't care anymore to complain about it. It'll be a waste of time in itself regardless.

[wispy bluff]

I will agree that not bringing checkies to old rundowns was a cringe decision. Some levels could really fucking use one. Just one.

[junior latch]

the levels in R7 i think are well designed are B3, C1, C2, C3 (tho first half sucks ass once youve done it 5+ times), D1 if no bugs and D2

E1 only latter half

[junior latch]

It would make the time drag even worse artek

[sharp owl]

Some R7 is good and fun.

Not that one specific though.

[wispy bluff]

Not necesserily.

[junior latch]

Where would you place them artek?

[raw shard]

R7 is a weak rundown imo

[sharp owl]

And replaying the whole thing wouldn't?

[junior latch]

Give me an example and ill try to critique if possible

[sharp owl]

What is your reasoning?

[junior latch]

Makes it more exciting when you finish and more dreadful when you dont

[sharp owl]

It's irrelevant if it wastes time and by the end of it you're just glad you've finished the tedious mission instead of being excited.

[junior latch]

Checkpoint clearing is awful

[sharp owl]

Terrible opinion

There's balance to checkpoints

[junior latch]

Thats a you thing then

Theres been 1 time i had that feeling (funnily enough r7c3 cuz 2 of my teammates were throwing it a bit too much for lulz)

[sharp owl]

If you want more "excitement", they can just add checkbox to remove checkpoints

[junior latch]

Yes, limited uses, which we dont have

[sharp owl]

"muh immersion"

[raw shard]

Can't you just not use them if you don't like them

[junior latch]

Muh need easy mode?

[sharp owl]

Just reload the whole game if you don't like checkpoints when you die.

Or you lack self control?

[junior latch]

i mean im not purely anti checkpoint

No bugs and limited uses to stop throwing newbies heads against brickwalls would be sick

[raw shard]

I think a use limit would be good

[junior latch]

but ive seen more 10 hour attempts/clears than good checkpoint uses for beginners

[sharp owl]

What's the point of checkpoint limit? People will just stop playing the game instead of keep trying.

[pine root]

For harder levels I do like this idea for a teirs let them eat cake

[raw shard]

No, it gives you a chance and puts pressure to keep your run, it also makes it so you don't feel like you were cheated out of a long run

[left kelp]

Forces people to just not keep brickwalling on a doomed run

[raw shard]

Otherwise people use a checkpoint, alert a scout and go "Eh just use the checkpoint again"

[junior latch]

if someone quites the challenging strategy game because they cant throw themselves against a wall instead of changing strategys and rethinking then thats on them

[junior latch]

This, this this

[raw shard]

Nobody tries after using a checkpoint then people just start to give up more

[sharp owl]

Lack of checkpoints makes it feel like you've got cheated out of a run.
D7C3 is already a slow tedious drag up until the wave.
Then in the 20 minute wave you die at any point, gotta restart 20 minute shit all over again.
It's a fucking slog.

[sharp owl]

Find better people to play with who don't brickwall.

[raw shard]

But you still get a checkpoint though

I'm confused

[pine root]

I agree the forced 20 min wait is lame

[raw shard]

It is yea

they could've placed it better

[sharp owl]

What's wrong with reloading on a fuckup instead of having to re-do everything?

[wispy bluff]

R4 C3 - main bulk door leading to BBC area.
Small chance of people saving at the worst possible moment R7 C3 style, but I'll take it - replaying that secondary was cringe.

R5 D1 - either the door leading to reactor as to avoid replaying the "Family reunion" stealth section, or maybe even the stealth scan door leading to 2nd half of secondary, if we're allowed doing that (I don't want to redo spooky section either).
Probably rector is more fair - you get to replay the most fun part of the level and make a call to just commit to main only.

R4 D2 - uhhhh... Let me remember... Hmmmm. Probably one of the alarm doors, one of the later ones. Maybe the one before a choice to go for fog turbine, so change you decision on that if it doesn't work.

[junior latch]

How do you get cheated out of a run??

[raw shard]

It more ties into the limited uses thing I was talking about

[pine root]

Could have probably been a 15 min wait

[junior latch]

like its on you dying, not the game being cheesy

[sharp owl]

You spend all this time going through a long run without checkpoints, then die at the very end. Whole progress lost.

It's terribly unfun.

[raw shard]

Just not your type of game then really

[wispy bluff]

Eh. Sometimes the game throws so much bullshit at you - it just feels unfair.

[sharp owl]

Would help if NPCs didn't hit you from behind walls and glitch in to walls when you're going melee on them. There are issues beyond mission and level design that plague this game.

[junior latch]

id say if you add one do it inside the overload before opening the hsu zone. Thats the only ok spot thats meh to abuse and feels fine on a good run. Also doesnt do much for main only runs which dont need one

[raw shard]

That's okay like you can have that opinion

[wispy bluff]

Case and point - my painful D1 wipe yesterday.

why the fuck those scouts summon chargers

[junior latch]

R5D1, leads to brickwalling 100%. R5D1 is ass tho so honestly

[junior latch]

Hard disagree on r4d2 btw

[wispy bluff]

Not normals, not even shadows. Chargers. The worst grunt enemy type.

[raw shard]

yeah there very much is a lot wrong with the game

[junior latch]

So you dying is the games fault?

[raw shard]

I wont disagree on that

[pine root]

Sometimes it is

[sharp owl]

Sometimes

[raw shard]

Yeah sometimes it is ngl

lol

[pine root]

Giant audio calling it a good example

[junior latch]

Jish. When (that isnt a super specfic or desync bug)

[elfin osprey]

get use to it

[left kelp]

Just a day ago, I got fucking sniper melee'd by an obviously staggered giant

[raw shard]

water bug

[pine root]

Giant audio culling

[junior latch]

and how do you completely wipe of that

[sharp owl]

No

[pine root]

It kills me then pubs can’t recover

[sharp siren]

chargers punching you troguh the air because they clipped trough a wall as a client
Silent enemies (specially giants) due to audio been on camera
lobby breaking

[junior latch]

Thats one of the rare ones tho (and actually seems to be pc related, cuz i know people that get them a dozen times while others never)

its also not necessarily immediatly run ending. But it sucks ye

[sharp siren]

shitty mine hitbox

[sharp owl]

We had giants using their tongues while frozen.

[sharp siren]

:U

[pine root]

Bots not stepping scan

[sharp owl]

Bots also not following players

Instead they rush in and die

[raw shard]

Just don't play with bots honestly

[junior latch]

Bots

[sharp siren]

thats just them getting stuck

[raw shard]

They're so not worth it

[pine root]

The spot in r5d2 where you get stuck in the middle of the room

[raw shard]

LOL

[sharp siren]

wesley incident

[junior latch]

Jish. And how many runs (%wise) actually end due to those bugs?

[raw shard]

Why does it need to be a statistic

the point is runs can end because of those bugs

[junior latch]

then people would need to hate on nearly all games like they do here often

[pine root]

Well I would argue lots of my serious runs don’t end unless something werid happens

[sharp siren]

lemme pull a number out my ass to support your statement real quick

[junior latch]

but they dont

[sharp siren]

uuh 60%

of all game

of all times

end because of that

how you feel about that?

[junior latch]

[sharp siren]

lmao

[pine root]

R4c3 cell not spawning

Bulkhead r5a3

[junior latch]

like obviously game ending issues exist

but they are so much less common than everyone here wants to make you think

[sharp siren]

like mf nobody trackas that

[raw shard]

Enemies spawning ontop of players which isn't a bug but is bad code lmao

[junior latch]

True

[sharp siren]

bad code?

[left kelp]

Prepostrous

[sharp siren]

that just how the game spawning system works

[raw shard]

There's not a lot you can do about 8 chargers spawning ontop of you and immediately attacking lol

[sharp siren]

the game assumes sometimes all 4 of you gonna be together

not on like 13 different zones

[pine root]

I feel like I have a hunch to why this happens

But I don’t know the specifics

[sharp siren]

the only time i had enemies spawn on top its because i was far away from the place i should be

[raw shard]

Yeah I know why it happens

The spawn type used

[pine root]

Like from elevator Id 6

[wispy bluff]

Well it assumes wrong.

[raw shard]

They pretty much never use from elevator

[wispy bluff]

There are no hunters or smokers here making sure no one separates.

[raw shard]

None of the earlier levels do at least

ID 6 is the best one to use

[pine root]

Yeah but it is the one I know the Id of so just checking it is that vaule

[raw shard]

but it's just never used lmao

Yeah it's 6

[pine root]

Lol crazy

[junior latch]

Anyhow, there cant be anyone here that thinks the games level design is ass due to lack of checkpoints

lol

[pine root]

I feel like the system also doesn’t look for rooms it can’t spawn in and looks for “valid” rooms. Which any rooms without a player in between is valid

[junior latch]

Checkpoints can be done well, but commonly arent

[pine root]

But that is just a hunch

[raw shard]

Yeah pretty sure it's based on host usually

or majority players

[sharp siren]

I was all for checkpoints

but then its been like what

a year and some change

no fix to it

remove it

why the fuck would the last 3 rundowns

gonna have them

[junior latch]

Over 1 1/2 years now

[sharp siren]

by the time you reach r8 you should have a decent understanding of the game

[pine root]

I feel like it might just be the grab all valid rooms and then choose one at random I would. And they count rooms more than once

[raw shard]

Yeah most likely

[wispy bluff]

No, it's just ass. Every so often I have to walk through 3-4 zones too many for no good reason and I'm like "whyyyyyy?"

[pine root]

Cause I have had it spawn on host and on the majority

But could have just been a fluke

[raw shard]

It happens super often when players are split 2/2

[wispy bluff]

Which one was the reactor one... 5b2? B3?

The path to that reactor was very cringe.

[raw shard]

R5B1 had reactor

[pine root]

Yeah and you do have to be two rooms away from each other

[wispy bluff]

Please respect my RAM, thank you.

[sharp siren]

GTFO could use some optimizations

[junior latch]

Where :0?

[pine root]

It is coming

[left kelp]

Cap

[junior latch]

theres some cases artek, dont get me wrong lol

[sharp siren]

my man gonna say low spec

[wispy bluff]

I can't remember. It's like an optional A - B reactor, I think it even counts as overload.

[junior latch]

R5B1 ye

r5b1 struggles with unnecessary long zones a bunch

[pine root]

Time has something else in the pipeline

[junior latch]

you could cut secondary main in half and it would be much better. Just hand out more stuff in those shortened paths

[sharp siren]

A little bird told me something

[raw shard]

Secondary is not the problem in R5B1

[junior latch]

its tedious

especially due to inf fog

its not hard

its just boring after the high that overload is compared to it

[raw shard]

Yeah overload brings the mood down because it sucks

Secondary is fine imo

and main is like 5 mins lmao

[junior latch]

True

[kindred cloak]

Overload used to be pretty fun in the original R5 but the amount of fog they pumped into the alt version of it just makes it incredibly annoying to do anything on the bridge

[slate olive]

Chonk

[junior latch]

the run towards overload is so tedious aswell

for beginners its cool i guess

but god, i dont care about stealth after main and before shooting reactor

[kindred cloak]

filler zones

[junior latch]

Theres good ones

and bad ones

[robust gull]

what level is this for?

nvm had to reread like 3 times

im a little challenged

i just want an optimized plant zone... set.. thing. i forget the name.

i like the pretty labs and plant tilesets

fuck the mines

[old wadi]

what tools for r7d2

[robust gull]

1 mine, 1 bio, 2 sentry

[old wadi]

what sentry

[junior latch]

honestly, r7d2 suprisingly works with a bunch of tool loadouts

[robust gull]

you will not fail the level because of resources you will fail because of incompetency. sniper or burst.

you are pumped to the fucking max with resources

[little ridge]

I really feel like it adds nothing to the map tbh

[old wadi]

ty👍

[little ridge]

and I really mean nothing

[raw shard]

Neither does overload

[little ridge]

Too many sectors in R5 feel like padding imho

[little ridge]

It does by the virtue of what you said before: main is 5mins

[raw shard]

Could've just left it at main

nice quick 5 mins in and out

[robust gull]

😏 🫃

[little ridge]

Sure but then we go into the avenue of: Sectors could just be extra levels

[raw shard]

Secondary adds more to the level than overload does imo

[little ridge]

Which dont get me wrong I think it'd be fine, really

Secondary is unfun padding

let's put it this way

[raw shard]

Sectors are supposed to add onto the challenge and neither of those objectives do that

[little ridge]

I kinda feel the same about R5C2's Extreme

[raw shard]

A lot of sectors could be completely cut out

[little ridge]

It just feels flat, even moreso since Main there is actually "juicy"

[robust gull]

i propose the alternate pill, friends. we're jaded assholes and been veterans for too long. it is time we enter the retirement home.

[little ridge]

I would have liked for sectors to be like R5A2's

[little ridge]

😦 I'm not jaded

[raw shard]

Yeah that's what sectors should be

[robust gull]

i see your walker gramps

it is lame and ain't SHIT.

my cane has flames on it

[little ridge]

Dr. House

[robust gull]

i'd upload an image but server anti fun

:(

[latent palm]

the guy with your son having stage 4 cancer comedian

[robust gull]

real shit we could talk level design all day, but face up and face it we play 4 man red light green light and at the end of the day the newbies WILL 4 man co-ordinate a 2 sleeper takedown, play for 3 hours, then go to the next game

[latent palm]

real

[raw shard]

Not very constructive though is it

lol

[robust gull]

not at all, no. game had hype in 2019-2020. they needed to do more then. they didn't

[raw shard]

Although a lot of people here aren't constructive either

[latent palm]

[robust gull]

we just gotta be here until its final moments, kissing their forehead as r8 releases and we pass into a peaceful tomorrow

[raw shard]

if R8 even happens

[latent palm]

my guy dont jinx it

i want R10

[raw shard]

you will not be getting it lol

[latent palm]

10C= 10 Rundowns

[left kelp]

10cc = 10 minutes of work

[robust gull]

i think the best timeline is we get insane mod support like l4d2 has

[latent palm]

true

[robust gull]

like, INSANE

hackett as busty anime girl mod when

complete with full jiggle physics

[latent palm]

making a whole different game

[latent palm]

boi do i wonder when

[robust gull]

i have a 2006 playboy wallpaper on my wall with a gasmask nailed over it

i pray to it every night

good fortune upon gtfo

OI

WHY IS THAT AUTOMODDED

[latent palm]

i dream of the same deal every time i close my eyes

[robust gull]

I SAID

[latent palm]

and let those foolish wishes to rest

[robust gull]

(THIS IS A JOKE I CANNOT AFFORD A GAS MASK OR)

(ADULT CONTENT IN WHICH I CAN ENJOY. I AM POOR)

synonyms

hell yeah

[latent palm]

man i wana see someone just strait out build the Falcon mask so i can buy it

[raw shard]

You can probably commission for stuff like that but it will cost you a lot

[latent palm]

[robust gull]

i wonder if i'm in the lead for the most unintentional auto mod message triggers. i'm on like, 5 or 6 now

[latent palm]

lead for what now...?

[robust gull]

automod

[latent palm]

whats that

[robust gull]

try it!

penetration...

[latent palm]

now you got my interest

[robust gull]

when you penetrate twice it is called..?

[latent palm]

[robust gull]

i'm not trolling

[latent palm]

yes

[robust gull]

did you get the red message saying you can't say that?

[latent palm]

but i also have no idea what that is

[robust gull]

its not even sexual i was just trying to discuss HEL guns

but auto mod thought i was being thirsty

[latent palm]

uh huh

and...? what was the forbiden word?

[robust gull]

double pene

finish the last word

[latent palm]

ah

i get it now

HAHA

funny

[serene berry]

pene-island?

[rose nova]

penelope

[latent palm]

catalope

[rose nova]

lote

elote

[latent palm]

[insert the fat rat music here]

[robust gull]

anyone else feel kind of... good when they force their fully infected friend back down into the pits of despair to fetch the coveted fog turbine?

i feel.. powerful.

[serene berry]

yes

[robust gull]

to quote Andrew Ryan

A MAN CHOOSES, A SLAVE OBEYS

and i am choosing for my homie to get pneumonia

holy shit bioshock came out eons ago

im old

[junior latch]

omg scatter actually says smth that isnt mumbo jumbo :o

also yea bioshock is scarily old

[hoary patio]

GTFO would make for an amazing show

[empty tide]

Which level has the biggest map?

[serene berry]

nuh-uh

[serene berry]

most of the E's are up there

fo you mean most zones, most rooms, or square foot-age?

[robust gull]

I reckon r5d1 with extreme is top 3 if not the biggest in length

But that's not total map size

[wispy bluff]

Plenty of contenders, yeah.

Probably someone in R4 and R5

[serene berry]

likely

idk R6

but R7 probably only contenders are C2 and D1 in size

if tp zone counts R7C2 might take it in a land slide

[junior latch]

map size is :I hmm

hard to judge honestly

[surreal orchid]

3

[wispy bluff]

R5B2 was not big but rather long

That goddamn pipeline for one of optionals

Just forward and forward and forward and forward

[serene berry]

we could make calcs based on the grid texture on the background of the map being universally to scale

i would put work into that lol

[little ridge]

N-no... it isn't... right?

Right?

[rose nova]

i checked how r2a1 is the smolest map in the game, maybs i could do it for the biggest one, its not exact science but

eh :b

[mint light]

m8 you old .Accept it

[signal plaza]

there are some levels that you’re supposed to run through with low enemy density. Cover a lot of ground in a short amount of time. Something like R4D2 or R4E1 is quite big

[signal plaza]

R5B1:

[empty tide]

I was mostly curious about which level has the most ground available

[signal plaza]

right, so the amount of tiles then?

[analog flicker]

Me 2. Me2..

It's crazy how old games back in the day are now.

[ivory pier]

R7D1 the largest map

[serene berry]

bigger than R7C2 for sure ya?

[wispy bluff]

I completely forgot what's happening after that class X scan

but the optional side rooms are goddamn massive

might also just be the thing with Garden tileset - all of garden's rooms are giantic

But C2 feels like a contender as well... Lots of big, open, super-rooms, almost every single one of them including the gen room, the cat walk hell and the donut. And then there's the secondary... I know it doesn't actually utilise any of it, but like... That's a lot of square meters

[ivory pier]

do not ask questions

[serene berry]

ok

[pine root]

I have been told r7d1 is a large map

With a lot going on

[serene berry]

bugs, class X skip, Ovl broken, solo is rng

sounds like a lot to me

god i should write a FAQ on topics

[ivory pier]

do not elaborate

they will know

[signal plaza]

nahh

R7C3 is already way bigger

than R7D1

R6D3 also kinda big

[serene berry]

noice

[signal plaza]

R5B1 kinda big

R5C2 even bigger

[serene berry]

oh man, how are we going to handle so many big levels?

[signal plaza]

yep

R5D2 is probably biggest main

[wraith marsh]

by clearing them once and never playing them again

[pine root]

I can take them on

Ez

[signal plaza]

R4D2 biggest so far

[serene berry]

so handling a big level, you can do it one by one

[pine root]

All at once

[signal plaza]

nah

at the same time

thats the way I like it

[serene berry]

is there anyone, who could handle two of these monster levels, at once?

🥵

how many could you fun at once? i figures you would need a team, but you think you could handle the whole level , all the way to the end??

[ivory pier]

only one person could do it

[serene berry]

👀

are there... videos of them doing it that i could watch?

[sharp owl]

ask gen chat

[ivory pier]

streams but u have to watch 10 ads first

[serene berry]

good, we should respect and pay our se- GTFO workers

[pine root]

I could do it

[ivory pier]

[ebon comet]

Hello all, I am new here and to the game. any tips I should know about?

[sharp owl]

use hammer for melee

[ebon comet]

Umm, ok.

[rose nova]

hi :]

umm i would say try out every gun cause each of em has a place n such, they all can b useful in their own situations so b sure to give em all a try

do the tutorial when ur startin, TRAINING, its a solo mission so no worries about gettin people

annnnd are u gonna search for teams here?

[normal lake]

General rule the game doesnt make obvious is A tier is easier than B tier and B tier is easier than C tier and so on and so forth

If you get stuck on a c or d tier map try a different rundown

[serene berry]

ask questions, too much to learn in just a couple tips, tons of tech in this game

[coarse grail]

not so much a tip as a priority, play around with the terminal in R1A1, learn how to list and ping resources in your zone

[junior latch]

Doesnt make obvious what

you cant be serious

[vital root]

he is

[serene berry]

narrator: "He was."

[rose nova]

they were

[junior latch]

General rule the game doesnt make obvious

When you shoot your guns you actually use ammo. So you need to refill them

[wispy bluff]

Doesn't training starts you with 0 ammo and forces to consume an ammopack or die doing solo defense

[ebon comet]

Thank you.

[wispy bluff]

The guy does kinda have a point. Its not immediately obvious how this system works.
Its like... You beat A1 and now you have A2 and B1... What does it mean? How do those two compare? Hell if i know, there are no rules.

[ebon comet]

Kinda, I'm also looking for a new friend group to join, i just moved to pc last year and need to find friends that play pc.

[wispy bluff]

I will occasionally spot the devs trying to sort of trying to do mini-tutorials within As. Like giving you a lonely solo-scout, etc. But its a rare event and pretty much stops at C and onwards

[normal lake]

Average darkeva moment

[normal lake]

Precisely

[junior latch]

you know the early day speed strat was not taking ressource :?

[wispy bluff]

That's irrelevant to this conversation. Are average players speedrunners or something?

[junior latch]

Theres a difference between me going a little troly on r3b2 discussions cuz i consider the class 5 way less of a hassle (and there being an actual argument to be made tbf) while accepting that class 3 is a lot more chill overall

Vs it being ultra obvious that B1 is harder than A1 by idea (same for B1 over A2 btw)

[normal lake]

#gtfo-chat message

[junior latch]

Something actually relevant to the conversation

The reason it gives you ammo is cuz it starts you at 0 so you dont just shoot the sleeping enemies before the alarm. While not expecting you to melee it without ammo once youve cleared that stealth part

[junior latch]

do i lack the skill issue to understand this skill issue?

[wispy bluff]

That sentence need improvements, i lose the line of thought after "before the alarm..."

[junior latch]

Better artek?

[wispy bluff]

If you're saying it gives you 0 ammo to force you to melee something, THEN gives you ammo to show how much better your guns are - yes, that's a great tutorial moment.

I still wouldn't shoot a sleeping enemy of course.

I surely didn't back when i solo'd my R6A1. Well... Attempted to.

[junior latch]

it doesnt give you ammo to teach you guns are great

It takes away your ammo before that to show you that melee is needed. Its actually very freaking different

[normal lake]

Have a migraine after work and i couldnt care less to argue about how well the game structures difficulty

Its not always instantly obvious so its good to let people know

[wispy bluff]

Oh and bots are there too, reminding you to not wake up the sleepers. That's neat.

[normal lake]

if that bothers you ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior latch]

i must say tho. It actually baffles me when i see the rare 1/1000 player that doesnt understand how guns work when trying to play a hardcore coop shooter

Its rare, but fascinating

[wispy bluff]

I did had to come up with difficulty classifications for out little alphabet system. People are always like "oh, that's easier to understand, thank you"

[coarse grail]

It seems very intuitive to me but maybe I'm just very smart

[normal lake]

Its also not terribly uncommon for some people to struggle more on a higher tier level which might set a incorrect precedent

[junior latch]

To be frank (haha funny joke n all yy)

Honestly, a lot of the issues that get asked are actually blatantly obvious. Its a common thing irl too. People just often dont think.
Im not talking about stuff like stealth mechanics or how scouts work yadda yadda.

But actual basic stuff that somehow just flies by for some people

[analog flicker]

[serene berry]

nah, just seemed a pretty small note to give out, but it is helpful to get the scale of a B3 relative to a C1 sorted out as far as expectations go

[junior latch]

see my last comment

Basically that.

Its the same as people not understanding guns in this game after having played other shooters or not understanding that shooting = waking up stuff

or that reading is helpful after pulling the alarm door for the third time (1st and 2nd can legit happen)

[serene berry]

sorry about your migraine man, o hope you get some good rest tonight!

[analog flicker]

tells them wasd movement and flashlight triggers enemies and about the 3 phases of sleeping.
still edges wasd movement and wakes them up

[normal lake]

Took some meds the rain combined with massive building had my head rattling for multiple hours

But yeah b3 vs c1 r7 is a very good example

[analog flicker]

What was R7 B3 again?

[normal lake]

One with the overload that has 2 people carrying shit in a error alarm through fog for extracr

[junior latch]

also this btw

[serene berry]

no crouch fog in floodways

[analog flicker]

Ah

Ye ye.

[junior latch]

honestly the only reason i typed was on how it was said

Something that might not be necessarily obvious to everyone is…

is a lot different to „the game doesnt make it obvious“

Its definetly nitpicky on my side. But

[normal lake]

I personally found b3 harder than c1 but thats because a error in fog was rough as a newer player

[wispy bluff]

Also something i will praise R6 on - that one tried very well to do the tutorial thing, without the training being a thing yet.

A1 - giant empty room to sell you on the immersion, 3 doors. 1 requires a key. It tells you to terminal for it. Bam, you now understand (hopefully) the importance of terminal scanning.

B1 - a lonely scout in a perfectly isolated room, all yours to play around with and test his limits. Also some fog. Thick one.

B2 - green fog. I think? The secondary uplink was kinda brutal though for new players.

C1... Uh... Oh! Error alarms and the importance of "Just fucking go".

And the tutorial thing just ceases after that. I barely remember C2 except for spitters, hybrids and a random german running out of his Koning bullets to keep the hybrids down.
...
What was R6's shadow tutorial? Were there even shadows? There were somewhere, right? Like in D2 or D3 or something.

[coarse grail]

Am I the only one who thinks its not obvious that enemies have a back weakpoint?

[wispy bluff]

Oh, absolutely

[coarse grail]

Thats probably the one vital piece of information I was missing for a long long time

[analog flicker]

C1 imo was just a stopgate since you needed it to progress to other C levels and Beyond

[wispy bluff]

How the fuck would you ever figure it out

[junior latch]

for main only r7c1 is generally still harder. But B3 ending still can be rough ye

In PE its an obvious diff tho

[coarse grail]

not looking at guides or wikis or discord or anyhting

[wispy bluff]

No custom hitbox, they don't even make a custom sound

[robust gull]

i feel like people are arguing a moot point because as i have said in the past the game has had an identity crisis on if they should design future a/b levels based on the assumption people have played previous rundowns and not take so long to acquaint players to mechanics or if they should start from scratch and take just as long to introduce mechanics, then suddenly have to scale up the difficulty of c/d/e because now the veterans are bored and they need to introduce the new content of the rundown. this has become more muddied with the introduction of "lore levels", but mildly alleviated by introducing old rundowns again, just far too late. all we can hope for now is a good r8.

[serene berry]

it is not communicated in their visual design at all

[normal lake]

Me and my group actually had no clue thats how the system worked until someone saw it here

[analog flicker]

When the tutorial doesn't even teach you weakpoint/back bonus

[normal lake]

We just assumed b2 was more or less equivalent to c1 and b3 to c2 and so on

[serene berry]

we pray for a swan song that doesn't screech

[robust gull]

tl;dr difficulty too inconsistent and wonky as you go down the line

[junior latch]

This ye

I only figured it out with random testing like 3-4 hours in back in r4b1

[normal lake]

Pretty much the ending is the only reason. Shooting in fog during the stress of a error was rough

[floral lichen]

Is matchmaking working? Trying to start R1D1 and there is noone connecting

[robust gull]

use the disc matchmaking gets you foreign cheaters

or just cheaters

[coarse grail]

use this servers lfg, not in game matchmaking #how-to-matchmake

[thick temple]

we need a bot command for why matchmaking is not very useful or something

[robust gull]

but mostly foreign cheaters with 400 ping

[normal lake]

Or just make matchmaking good

Crazy idea ik

[thick temple]

10cc moment

[coarse grail]

I'm so glad they added in game matchmaking though 🙃

[analog flicker]

[thick temple]

yeah a lobby browser would be nice
but i'm still not sure it'd be better than the up-front communication you get here
like what objectives you intend to do

[serene berry]

i am so glad the removed the dead feature! 😀

[wispy bluff]

I'm amazed you made it to D1 with MM

[normal lake]

I mean it could say the leve, region, and whatever the lobby creator wanted to say in a title.

A lobby system would atleast mean you can see tf people doin

[rose nova]

sorry for slow response, but in that case
more advice >:]
use the LFG channels to search for people, always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
aaaand start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one !

[normal lake]

Wont fix people hacking and ruining games tho

[analog flicker]

That one experienced that monkey stealths every sleeper regardless

[ebon comet]

kk

[thick temple]

(vote?) kick/ban would

well

i guess not entirely

[normal lake]

Could help

[thick temple]

yeah for sure

[normal lake]

Lobby creator can already kick tho

[thick temple]

show the class how

[normal lake]

"kick"

Set the slot bots only kek

[analog flicker]

[thick temple]

about 99% sure that doesn't work lol

[normal lake]

I thought it did

I only play with my group so never needed to do it

Kinda goofy if it dont

[thick temple]

yes

[wispy bluff]

It doesn.t

Anyone who's already in can only leave out of their own free will

[normal lake]

That and i dont host because my provider is shit

[normal lake]

Sad

[wispy bluff]

Had a cheating guy i wanted to do something about

Even if you set it to "closed" - he's still there

[normal lake]

What about in lobby not in game

Or same thing

[wispy bluff]

No idea, but probably doesn't work either

[junior latch]

gotta make a new lobby

It sucks

then again

it would suck even more ingame

since yes you could kick trolls

but trolls could kick you/others

[normal lake]

Yeah it makes sense

A vote kivk would solve both

[thick temple]

yeah it'd prob shift more to host doing that stuff lol

nvm lol

didn't realize the vote part you mentioned just then xD

[junior latch]

It would make random parties a cluster fuck at worst

[wispy bluff]

Reach the ending of R5E1

[junior latch]

tho gtfo prob isnt big enough to have the big pvp community treatment

[wispy bluff]

Get kicked in extraction scan

[junior latch]

where it starts being toxic wars to flame and vote kick one guy

[junior latch]

R5D1*

R5E1 is fun

[wispy bluff]

Its all about which poison we pick

[normal lake]

Well regardless ill still never play a pub

[wispy bluff]

Unless you programm some sort of a system that prevents kicking after a certain point

[wraith marsh]

chargers are probably the only way you would find out intentionally

in which you will probably assume its specific to them

[normal lake]

Would lead to people waiting to ruin a lobby

[junior latch]

gotta do it to see how you fare against others

[wispy bluff]

Just have a fucking log

In like R1B1 or something

[normal lake]

I dont care for pubs

I dont play pvp games for same reasons

Just not fun to deal with children online

[rose nova]

absolutely no one would notice except veteran lore enthusiasts

[undone pond]

I've had good experiences so far with GTFO groups tbh

[rose nova]

nice

:]

[wispy bluff]

uuhhhhhh something something sleeper biology arranged their body in such a way that its more thick to the front as a natural selection thing, but in return attacking from behind doesn't meet as much resistance

[normal lake]

Rib cage?

[wispy bluff]

No, like their tissues are specifically more tanky when pressured faced on

I.e. stabbing a needle from the front is like penetrating a wild animal's hide, but from behind its like butter

[normal lake]

Isnt normal human biology just weak to the back cus our spine and where it connects to the head

Wacky

[wispy bluff]

That too, albeit to a lesser extent.

But then again how many games gave backstab mechanics that aren't just actual backstabs

Killing Floor, L4D...

[normal lake]

Well ig a sledgehammer swing from a deranged schizophrenic would prob kill you no matter where it hit

[rose nova]

nah

in the foot?

[wispy bluff]

Although in L4D there is actually a backstab mechanic - you oneshot zombies if you shove them from behind (breaking their neck, presumably)

The opportunity to do it is rare though and means nothing

[normal lake]

I mean this schizophrenic blows these things legs clean off to the bone

Not your average schizo

[wispy bluff]

Don't even get into logistics of that

The spear blows biters in half

[junior latch]

just put it into the tutorial

then wonder why they still dont learn cuz listening/reading hard somehow

[wispy bluff]

Actually this

[rough robin]

you don't need some lore reason for it

they still have spines dont they