gtfo-chat

[north prism]

that didn't seem to be true while I was there, besides it's a big wave enemies, I dont remember if we had a mine deployer...

[mint light]

I took one through E1

[normal lake]

why though

[mint light]

Also pretty sure Zidane has done R1 and R2

[mint light]

To see if we could

[north prism]

yes but didn't complete R2E1

[normal lake]

bro every c tier level be harder than anything except r2d2 / e1

[sharp owl]

C2 PE and C3 PE are easily harder than D2

hey guyy

im just started

[mint light]

Completely stocked with resources. when the alarm is off list them

[sharp owl]

complete the training

what should I do next

[mint light]

Also they might be behind the charger doors

[normal lake]

d2 honestly aint hard if you just got someone who can stealth with gunfire in the background

and are competent enough to use a terminal

[sharp owl]

or just shoot the side zones like a chad

[north prism]

still you better have someone that knows what it's doing on r2D2

[normal lake]

r2d2 is just a memory level

once you know the map its miles easier

[mint light]

R7D2 they talking about

[normal lake]

r7d2 tho def a hard ass level at first but damn its a fun level

[north prism]

oh R7D2.... yeah didn't played that

I was on D1 I think.

[normal lake]

r7d2 is a heavy shooting level with some stealth in it

very fun level

not long either unlike most r7 levels

if the checkpoint was removed i think the level would still be balanced

[mint light]

checkpoints can be removed from the whole of R7 and it would still be balanced

There are no long levels in R7

[normal lake]

balanced for blind runs is more what im thinking

[north prism]

don't say that

[normal lake]

a level is significantly harder blind

checkpoints negate having to do a lot just to get back to where you where

[mint light]

Just wait till you play R5 😏

[sharp siren]

R1A1

[sharp owl]

ok im doing with bot

been waiting for player

but it seems no one wants to play that level

[sharp siren]

use the lfg in disscord, people are welcoming of new players

dont use matchmaking

[normal lake]

c3 and d2 are the only levels i think are really short enough for blind runs

of r7

other than early levels ofc

[mint light]

R7 has zero need for checkpoints just like R6 did not need them

[normal lake]

b3 isnt bad either

[north prism]

blind run = stage newbie run?

[normal lake]

blind run means going in with no knowledge of what to bring or what is going to be in the map

[north prism]

confirmed

[sharp owl]

lfg ?

[normal lake]

a run is basically blind until you google the level or beat it / practically beat it

[sharp siren]

yes sir check #how-to-matchmake #lfg-north-america #lfg-beginners

[sharp owl]

thanks

i am checking it now

[normal lake]

i just disagree, i dont like abusing checkpoints but they are absolutely necessary

esspecially for players slower at stealth

[mint light]

How did you do R2E1?

or R2D2/R2D1

[sharp siren]

People need to learn that blind runs are only hard not because of the level but becausse the objective set that there is

[normal lake]

aint played it cus me and my group got bored with r2d2

map is so damn memory based we didnt feel like investing time into it at the time

[sharp siren]

but that just applies to people who play this game daily

[normal lake]

yeah the levels are not hard if you know the maps and how to play at a decent standard

[sharp siren]

no map knowledge

[normal lake]

djdna missing the whole point of what im saying

[sharp siren]

just objective wise

[mint light]

There is no level longer than 1.5 hours in R7. checkpoints are useless and are just a crutch that new players desperately hang on to PROLONG their time spent on beating a map

[sharp siren]

happens all the time

https://tenor.com/view/cakeuis-turkey-dancing-turkey-dancing-gif-24296348

damn

[mint light]

😂

[sharp siren]

i deserve that

[normal lake]

most levels took longer than 2 hours for my groups and without checkpoints easily could have taken 10-16 hours worth of sessions dying to shit we could not have known without using a guide

replaying levels they are faster but first run they are significantly slower

[mint light]

And that is the point

[normal lake]

and thats why there are checkpoints

[mint light]

That's why checkpoints are useless

[vestal crystal]

the duality of gtfo players....

[mint light]

Eternal duality

[normal lake]

so you dont have to replay some massive chunk of a map just because some tiny thing you couldnt have prepared for

[sharp siren]

this just tells we truly need an update

[sharp owl]

checkpoints can be useless if not used correctly

[normal lake]

remove checkpoints and suddenly now people start using guides for levels

[mint light]

That's what makes the game great.

[normal lake]

thats what makes games shitty

replaying content for no reason is not gameplay its boring as hell

[mint light]

No thats is when players without a good mentality understand they would be better off on another game. OR you know power through

[normal lake]

no people will swap to guides

replaying levels for shit out of your control is frustrating and shitty

its not good game design

[sharp siren]

yes lets separete the wheat from the chaff

the weak must die

[mint light]

Where is there shit out of your control?

[sharp siren]

nobody can play my game

[mint light]

Exactly

[normal lake]

not knowing what is coming is out of your control

[sharp siren]

exept only the finest of toxic and tryhards

games like this are meant to be esport like

[normal lake]

unless you use guides

or have played the level before

[mint light]

It's the base of any game m8. You don't know what is coming, you adapt or you die

[sharp siren]

I think you both are two extremes

[normal lake]

other games are predictable and there is a lot more freedom to adapt

im not extreme at all

i think less checkpoints is better

but outright removing them is shit game design

[mint light]

Nah cause what I actually want is to limit checkpoint use to 3 so new players can't abuse it to the point where it becomes negative

[normal lake]

this game you die your set back upwards of 2 hours and most of the time you dont even know why you died

checkpoints nullify that setback

[mint light]

That's BS cause the new attempt you'll be where you was in 15 to 30 min

[vestal crystal]

maybe its not so important that you were set back, but that you learned and improved along the way 😔 🧘‍♂️

[normal lake]

some high ass expectations for newer players

[sharp siren]

i mean you dont wanna treat them lik r3 ta r ts either

[normal lake]

r1 and r2 levels are like a hour long at most

r7 levels esspecially the ones with pe are long as hell by comparison

[dreamy nest]

I don't think this game is for you if dying so much is a problem. The description quite literally, tells you to get fucked

[normal lake]

missing then point

[mint light]

Yes I have higher expectations for new players than them spending 6 hours on the last room of R6C1 cause they don't want to just replay the start

[viscid trellis]

checkpoint nullify that setback, proceed to spent the next 6 hours on checkpoint

[normal lake]

you both have seen me agree with the implementation of 3 use checkpoint rules

[mint light]

R7B3 PE, 1 hour. R7C2 PE 1.5 hours, R7C3 PE 1 hour

wrong answer

[mint light]

Then what are we arguing about?

You already on my team

[normal lake]

you are the one who said they are not a needed mechanic

[mint light]

Whi h is true

which

[normal lake]

when they are quite necessary for the process of learning maps

long maps

[mint light]

But I also know they'll never remove em

[mint light]

They are not necessary

how did we play R4 and R5 ????

[normal lake]

because they are better game design

[mint light]

these levels are longer/as long as R7. no checkpoints

[viscid trellis]

they have the same game design...

[normal lake]

brute forcing maps if you where inexperienced probably watching guides

[mint light]

And harder than R7

[dreamy nest]

Heavy disagree. Never played multiplayer, only single and I've hardly played the game (only 20 hours) and I have completed a full rundown.

This is a skill issue my friend, learn to use terminals and get better with stealth.

[normal lake]

r1 and r2 dont need checkpoints the maps are literally 20-30 minutes long except a few longer ones

[mint light]

wait wait wait there m8. if it was R1 that's just the tutorial rundown

[dreamy nest]

No no no, I mean ALL of them in R6

[vestal crystal]

[vapid quartz]

That's the second tutorial rundown

[mint light]

👆

[dreamy nest]

Am I wording it wrong?

[normal lake]

yeah was gonna say im pretty sure r6 levels where actually pretty easy based on what i remember

[mint light]

I think so

[normal lake]

also a long ass time ago so i dont really remember

[mint light]

And R7 is not MUCH harder

[sharp owl]

R6 is still leagues harder than R1

[mint light]

for sure

everything is

[normal lake]

didnt get far into r6 because lack of a decent pc

got like 10fps in most levels which was big sad

[sharp owl]

sadge

[mint light]

Yeah R6 was so optimised 😔

[normal lake]

got down to d tier levels and quit after beating d1 because the lag was unplayable

[sharp siren]

you guys realize that their streamlining the difficulty of this game with the alt releases right?

so r5 its not gonna be the long ass levels it was

[mint light]

How tho

[normal lake]

probably going to work checkpoints in lmfao

[mint light]

Like take R3 how they gonna boost it above R2

[sharp siren]

you didnt notice all the clear level design changes

[normal lake]

they added new content to r1 and r2

[mint light]

They said no che kpoints on Alts

[normal lake]

okay gotcha didnt know that

no clue then

hopefully they dont spam resources

[mint light]

But how do you make R3 harder than R2 when R3 is full focused on A and B tier

[dreamy nest]

Hmm not sure how to word it here, a year ago there was a rundown that had about 13 levels? I beat all of them solo.

[sharp siren]

streamlining the game its not making anything harder

[normal lake]

so r6

i believe r6

[sharp siren]

their just making a baseline difficulty so it plays like a campaign

[normal lake]

it had a lot of levels iirc

[mint light]

No but you are talking about the difficulty gradually increasin no?

[sharp siren]

no

?

[normal lake]

sounds like bringing everything to one level

[sharp siren]

re-read what ive wrote

their streamlining everything

[mint light]

What I've seen is minor level changes. That's pretty much it

[sharp siren]

so its easier and more cohesive to play

you'll see

i already put my tin foil hat that their doing this to remove checkpoints

because its most likely a pain in the ass to fix

[normal lake]

checkpoints do be a buggy mess

[mint light]

In R6 then cause the rest did not have em

and R7 is not getting reworked

[normal lake]

levels around the length of c3 and d2 are honestly perfect for checkpointless levels

d2 is a bit short tho

[sharp siren]

hard part > checkpoint

[normal lake]

quite short tbh im not really sure why it has a checkpoint lmfao

the ending can be cheesed if one person stays behind and inserts the chip aswell

[sharp siren]

THE MEMORY STICK

GO GET IT

[mint light]

But ok lets go with what you say. So R5C1 for example what do they do with it?

They just remove the Sec?

[sharp siren]

theyre gonna change it

[normal lake]

bro racing to the memory stick was fun as hell seeing who would be the dumbass to try and go to fast

[sharp siren]

what are theyre gonna change i have no clue

[normal lake]

why is jack ass blocked

[sharp siren]

maybe r5a2 its gonna have a less cancer respawn room

[normal lake]

discord moment

[mint light]

I don't doubt it but if it is one room flipped in one of the side zones it's not gonna change a lot

[sharp siren]

maybe r5c1 respawn room will be just 1 hub instead of 2

maybe they will change the shitty second terminal uplink

on extreme

[normal lake]

also man b3 was so much easier to do pe now then it was when i first did it

[sharp siren]

because it was literally just time sink

[mint light]

Remove mommy and put a single big charger in it?

[normal lake]

i remember the overload gave us hell when we originally did it

[sharp siren]

mom was overload

[normal lake]

this time we died only once on the overload

[mint light]

I know

Well we'll see I guess

[vapid quartz]

Gonna overload on the mother

[mint light]

First Alt R3

[vapid quartz]

What's Alt R3

[normal lake]

wait does r3 only have 7 fucking levels

[vapid quartz]

Correct!

[normal lake]

damn i was looking forward to something more like r2

[mint light]

But basically you think they'll remove unnecessary stuff

[normal lake]

kinda wish the map was flipped with 3 d tier levels and 1 a tier level

[mint light]

R3 is 7 levels only and 3 of them are A tier

So calculate how long it's gonna last

[normal lake]

really?

damn r2 looks bigger than r3 by a lot

[sharp siren]

it was

but as long as they dont take 5 months for r4 its good

[normal lake]

okay he edited lmfao gotcha

[mint light]

They will tho

[sharp siren]

but unlike "the good old days" we actually got another 4 rundowns to play

[mint light]

But yeah R4 is where the fun starts

[normal lake]

uh yeah with that r3 will prob take like 4 hours max sad

i can barely believe this was all the game content for a long ass time

[sharp siren]

me and the boys will probably do all the levels in less than that assuming we all free that day

[normal lake]

yeah 4 hours is probably generous considering a tier levels take 20 minutes max

[mint light]

one afternoon on R3 is enough I think

[sharp siren]

but i rather do full clears and have fun than speedrunning that shit

[normal lake]

b tier levels take 30 minutes max without sec / ovl

[mint light]

At least it will have a couple fun missions to redo with new players

[sharp owl]

if I get a committed team together I'll get it done in a day

[normal lake]

probably only need one other person right

[sharp siren]

if your not pulling both alarms in r3b2 your not playing the level correctly

[sharp owl]

I've already done C1, C2 and D1, I imagine the remakes will be easier

[vapid quartz]

Get it done in 3 hours and then a day later Calle will get 1000 messages asking when R4

[normal lake]

in r7?

[sharp owl]

r3

[vestal crystal]

they will be harder if you arent playign with bobo

[normal lake]

gotcha

[sharp owl]

LOL

[vestal crystal]

[sharp owl]

that was good

still I'll be fine

[normal lake]

i dont see a c2 on the r3 map on the wiki so i was lost

[sharp owl]

me hero yda and akarui would smash it

is there only 1 c level?

[normal lake]

depending on the difficulty of the lover levels me and my team will prob melee only most of it

[normal lake]

according to the wiki

[sharp owl]

must have been b2, c1 and D1 then

[normal lake]

idk wasnt around at the time of these maps

[sharp siren]

r3c1 and r3d1 are the only d and c levels of r3

[normal lake]

are the levels closer to r1 or r2 in difficulty

cus r1 me and one other dude did in like 3 or 4 hours

[sharp siren]

i wouldnt really compare it

r3 its short but more action pack

you do actually shoot a lot

like

a lot.....

[normal lake]

thats not reassuring for someone like me who likes stealth sections lmfao

[sharp siren]

well

you will have to like the shooting

[unreal crystal]

when r3 drops I’m going for 100 d1s at least

[sharp siren]

if you can get 5 a day you can probably do it in under a month

[unreal crystal]

honestly sounds pretty doable

[sharp siren]

35 min adventure

[unreal crystal]

I entertained the idea of getting 100 a3s but I think I’d actually go insane

[sharp siren]

unless they bring mom bug from back then

[normal lake]

100 r7c3 completions to become god at killing giants and hybrids

[unreal crystal]

R5e1 duo gave me enough practice killing bigs so no ty

[normal lake]

kek

everyone hyping up the diff of r4 and r5 which has me quite happy because r1 and r2 are way to easy and i want more hard content rather than easy content

[sharp siren]

damn r4e1 do be hard with the only striker waves

you definetly have to kite that

[vestal crystal]

if you want harder content, just play "kwtd mics only" lobbies in lfg

[unreal crystal]

I’m actually curious what the pubs are gonna be like

[storm quartz]

Idk man if they keep hel weaponry and bc untouched it’s gonna be just as easy

[unreal crystal]

Now that people can’t just crutch on kiting as easily lol

[lone kestrel]

Filled with beer, most likely

[sharp siren]

just hel weapon spam

[unreal crystal]

not after I’m done with them

[sharp siren]

you need to update

[storm quartz]

5 pen hel revo

[normal lake]

kiting gets me killed more than it ever helps

[lone kestrel]

Ah, a challenger approaches?!

[sharp siren]

2.3 stagger

[normal lake]

prob just really bad at it

[unreal crystal]

5 pen primary weapon surely was a good idea

[storm quartz]

No stam

Hard rundown tho

Trust

[sharp owl]

armor multi makes any level with mom really hard

[normal lake]

well i look forward to the harder rundowns because the hard levels all being in r7 is honestly pretty boring at this point because ive done just about all the game content

[storm quartz]

Yea badger told me it affects armor Multi

[normal lake]

im starting to feel like most of you nerds

[mint light]

It was B2 😏

[sharp siren]

badger badger its that you

[sharp owl]

no but he told me about your 2k hours but still managed to get the concept of armor multi wrong

[storm quartz]

Thank you

God approve info

[normal lake]

when are secondary and overload introduced btw

[unreal crystal]

R4

[sharp siren]

2.3 k hours

[normal lake]

gamer

[sharp owl]

he told me to mention it at every given moment

and screenshot every interaction

[storm quartz]

Based

[normal lake]

aight looking at the size of r4 and r5 now i am quite excited for there drop

[mint light]

The biggest rundowns

[vestal crystal]

it'll drop just in time for you to play with your grandkids

[unreal crystal]

beautiful, really

[lone kestrel]

Bold of u to assume I'll last that long

[mint light]

Or will procreate.

[lone kestrel]

Bolder to assume I'll have kids 😮

Damn you beat me to it

[normal lake]

wonder how late they will be lmfao

[mint light]

👍

[normal lake]

damn bro now im sad we getting r3 and not r4

[unreal crystal]

Trust in the double drop

[lone kestrel]

They're releasing all of them trust

[mint light]

😔

[lone kestrel]

R5 R6 and R8 too!

[normal lake]

gonna be nice having some new hard levels when that drops

once my group finishes up pe for r7 c2 and c3 we are basically just waiting for r3

[mint light]

D1, D2, E1?

[lone kestrel]

I think it's safe to say R6 Alt will be the HARDEST rundown ever seen

[normal lake]

not doing overload for d1 and d2 i might return to

[lone kestrel]

No overload for D2 so you're all set there 😄

[mint light]

Wait why? R7D1 ovl is totally balanced

[normal lake]

poorly worded sentence

[lone kestrel]

Oh nvm I see

[normal lake]

not doing overload for d1, and i might return to d2

[lone kestrel]

No E1?

[normal lake]

the level gave me gtfo fog infection irl

[sharp owl]

[mint light]

Just do it !!

[vestal crystal]

dont tell him about r5e1

[normal lake]

Ill do it if 10 chambers just fixes the bugs

it aint that hard

[mint light]

Do the deconnection thingy

It "fixes" the bug

[normal lake]

the level takes like 4 minutes to reload man i dont wanna do that shit

[mint light]

shhh

[normal lake]

to impatient

[unreal crystal]

I’m sure they’ll love playing that level

[lone kestrel]

No you don't have to restart to fix the bug lol

[mint light]

Yet you prefer the stealth parts 🧐

[lone kestrel]

You just have people leave while host puts command in

[vestal crystal]

will it count if they play on the build at r7 launch where u can just start overload at the end

😎

[sharp owl]

why R3

[normal lake]

trust me it shows in the stealth parts aswell

[lone kestrel]

Maybe the real reason they haven't fixed the bug is they're saving it for R7 ALT

[normal lake]

esspecially when i have 20% hp

[mint light]

Ok so why no E1?

[normal lake]

just aint played e1 yet and honestly idk why

[mint light]

You can't be stopping at C tier, right?

[normal lake]

we are doing everything except d1 overload

because A. I dont wanna do it, and B. My friends dont wanna do it

I dont think i could even convince them if i wanted to

[lone kestrel]

If they haven't fixed D1 bug, maybe the most notorious in R7, since it released last June, I really don't see them fixing it now

[normal lake]

there are other bugs in that level that bothered me a lot but the overload bug is the worst

[mint light]

I kinda like that level tho 😭

[lone kestrel]

It's ok

I like the level design of giving you a choice in the first half and I really like the last bit with the uplinks

[normal lake]

the level is good without the bugs altho the overload is basic as hell but its still different

[lone kestrel]

But everything else feels like a slog to me

[sharp owl]

you can make everyone DC then rejoin once the error starts

which is lame as fuck

but it works

[mint light]

1 snatcher is really very doable

[normal lake]

yeah and i just refuse to do it because that level refuses to load faster than 4 minutes

[mint light]

It's almost as if the mission does not change

[normal lake]

i also did not like the ending of d1

[vestal crystal]

i liked watching the baby go through the conveyor belt

[normal lake]

cool concept but god i cant be assed to spend so much time searching for terminals

was literally faster to write down terminal locations

we only finished d1 to unlock e1

[mint light]

Oh well I'm curious how many attempts E1 will be before you guys are like: f this

[lone kestrel]

I take it back, r7d1 is the best level made and this is why

[normal lake]

if it aint buggy we probably wont quit

me and my group dont like buggy ass levels

[vestal crystal]

and then the first attempt they make it to code 4, the charger scout alert bug happens

[mint light]

Well as it does not have checkpoints, it is less buggy

[mint light]

Yeah that one tho ....

[vestal crystal]

i would say that bug alone makes it more buggy than d1

[normal lake]

dont care for the checkpoints its a e tier level its supposed to be hard

[vestal crystal]

because at least you can do something to account for the d1 bug

[mint light]

Basically on all the runs now we close doors

[normal lake]

just dont like difficulty coming from bugs

[mint light]

You can tho, closed doors will not trigger it, it only triggers on open doors

[lone kestrel]

Not a huge deal if it happens on the way out

[mint light]

Or am I hallucinating

[normal lake]

or bugs that are annoying as hell

[vestal crystal]

last i read, i think bd tested it for a long ass time and their conclusion was its a postiion desync bug, not anything to do with doors

if your position is desynced in the same room as the scout it will trigger whether the door is closed or not

[normal lake]

desync in this game is fucking wild

[vestal crystal]

@sharp siren if you'r still here

[mint light]

Guess my group doesn't have a lot of desync then

[vestal crystal]

so i dont misquote you guys

[mint light]

I thought they always triggered on doors

[normal lake]

the game overall is pretty smooth multiplayer even on my shiternet but god damn there has been some funny ass desync moments

[sharp siren]

what happend

[vestal crystal]

the r7e1 scout bug

closing door doesnt guarantee iti wont happen right?

[sharp siren]

it will happen regardless i think

i do believe its just hardcoded into the level

it always happens at the end

[sharp owl]

also he asked if you guys have a good pestilence build

[sharp siren]

the name of the level its chaos

[lofty grotto]

Maddening Chaos

[sharp siren]

but in all honesty its kind weird that they made it trigger by touching something invisible rather than well

[vestal crystal]

i had one run where scout woke up pmom in big room as we were sneaking to reactor, we stabilized, then as we were in reactor looting those scouts screamed again and pmom round 2

[sharp siren]

a sound trigger

[lofty grotto]

I definitely lost my pants in that E1

Considering I never seen how fast that damn PMother ran

[normal lake]

someone wanna give me the rundown on the bug?

[sharp siren]

ok thats fucked

lmao

[vestal crystal]

we did not win

[sharp owl]

so the game wants you to be punished despite doing nothing wrong and to lower the win rate

[mint light]

I think Alpha also tested it and got it to work on other maps tho

[sharp owl]

the scout bug

[lofty grotto]

Or to make things interesting

To increase the stress

[normal lake]

do scouts just go off in the map is that what im understanding

[lofty grotto]

Just like the Uplink Staircase of Hell in R6DX

I still despise the mid section tho

So damned cramped and difficult

[vestal crystal]

There is one zone on that map where a random scout going off has occurred to many groups enough times that its been singled out as a bug for that map

[normal lake]

sounds like a feature to me

[sharp siren]

it wasnt necessarily difficult per say what mostly kill me and my people it that we go from 60 fps to 21

[mint light]

Nah its not supposed to do that

[sharp siren]

if it actually ran good it would be duable

[lofty grotto]

XD

[normal lake]

joking ofc

[vestal crystal]

Could very well be a feature implemented to make the ending more hectic

[lofty grotto]

I’ll admit… I did feel like my fingers was debuffed from that level too

[normal lake]

fixing bugs doesnt happen to this game as far as i can tell so any bug that shows up is just a new feature to the game

[mint light]

But why there are reports that they activate before the ending tho 🤔

[lone kestrel]

Bug

[lofty grotto]

To make a hell of a escape from R7 into the Alts?

[vestal crystal]

Because 10CC?

[lofty grotto]

After all… there’s still that off feeling post warp

[normal lake]

do you think if the other players stayed out of the zone and let the one player go kill it alone that would prevent it

[mint light]

Can't argue with that

[vestal crystal]

Why they "fix jittering" but add sniper melee

And then do nothing about it for I forgot how long

[mint light]

Charger scout

[normal lake]

was thinking with cfoam

[mint light]

I mean if you have the time, sure

[viscid trellis]

is it????

[normal lake]

might not even be worth it

[sharp siren]

no

ryk prove wrong with the most unfair shit i ever read in this game

[normal lake]

our host is incapable of killing scouts but manages to kill charger scouts almost 100% of the time

strangest shit

[lofty grotto]

Lol!

[mint light]

You managed repro on other maps no?

[viscid trellis]

we conclude it as "player desync"

i do need more info on void bug (the bug where you pass the door and VOID)

[normal lake]

i mean if its desync it shouldnt happen with 1 player and bots right

could run a few test and if it dont happen then its prob desync

[viscid trellis]

you never know since there isn't any indicator

[mint light]

you not even gonna get to that part solo with bots 😅

[viscid trellis]

ping counter???

[sharp siren]

Ive communicated calle about, havent heard of it

[mint light]

Or door cheese everything

[normal lake]

just have the other 3 leave the game and have the host see if it happens

[viscid trellis]

i can guarantee

it will never happen

i locked myself with dragon over there

for hours

[normal lake]

people leaving the game or the desync with one man

[viscid trellis]

desync with client

if you somehow solo to that part (don't need to do reactor)

[normal lake]

so it def is a desync issue

[viscid trellis]

and just let the game run

the charger scout will never scream

[normal lake]

like i said could prob just have the other 3 players leave

[viscid trellis]

that's why i need more info on void bug

but void bug is like, near 0 info

"funny void after walk through a door"

[normal lake]

my group has a ton of desync and we get void bug all the time but it did happen way more on d1

[viscid trellis]

it just not really that bad for void bug

you can trigger a closed room

[normal lake]

not really sure how the game hosting works so i dont really know

only happens to one person so it must be client side

[viscid trellis]

it "client" side

as in, everyone can trigger the void bug to happen

but only happen on their own screen

[normal lake]

yeah but it doesnt happen to everyone at once and its wacky

[viscid trellis]

ye and that's the only info we have

"funny void bug"

that door on R7E1 have that bug

[normal lake]

just another bug that only effects d1

wonderful

[viscid trellis]

in that area

in that specific spot

[normal lake]

is it like d1 where it just never goes away tho

[viscid trellis]

no

it just, you need to stand on a specific spot on the door for it to happen

and when you moved out, it gone instantly

[normal lake]

it happened a lot in b3 for me today but it only lasted like 2 seconds

only ever happens when a door opens

[viscid trellis]

there is a spot on a door frame you can stand on for it to happen

but still, "funny void bug"

i don't think it would be the void bug that make "player position desync" to happen

but you never know

[normal lake]

if it was player position you would think every room just goes void aswell

[rugged granite]

what does lf in the matchamking chats mean?

[viscid trellis]

Look For

[rugged granite]

gotcha thx

[sharp siren]

alpha void bug its just game renderers not processing the one milipixel between rooms

[viscid trellis]

ye, is there more

[sharp siren]

no

cause its simple

[viscid trellis]

then funny void bug

[sharp siren]

its just literally that

[viscid trellis]

then there you go

[normal lake]

is there something that causes it to be permanent or requiring a rejoin on d1 unlike everywhere else

[viscid trellis]

nope

[vestal crystal]

cel bug requires rejoin

[viscid trellis]

R7E1 got more QA then R7D1

[vestal crystal]

oh nvm i misread

[viscid trellis]

but true

still need to get cell bug to test

maybe with this internet, i can get cell bug to happen

[normal lake]

pretty funny bug because you have to rejoin every time you fail the checkpoint

[sharp owl]

R3 isnt real

[sharp siren]

playing with alpha be like

"wanna bug test cell bug"

hell noi

[junior latch]

Especialy slower stealth players suffer from it cuz they never improve their stealth that much when checkpointing

They can be helpful (see r6c1 end, dx end, d1 end) but never necessary

[vestal crystal]

r6d4 checkpoint is there so that players totally cant just run into mom zone to find the cube

[normal lake]

once a level hits over a hour and a half its necessary imo

[vestal crystal]

[junior latch]

Failing doesnt mean a level takes long

People have failed for months on r6d1 with daily attempts (yes ive seen that happen)

[normal lake]

but i dont really think multiple for any level is necessary

[viscid trellis]

comeon man

[normal lake]

people failed r6d1?

that much atleast

my group cleared it in like 6 hours and at the time we all had like 15 hours experience

and i had 10fps in the kraken fight

4fps sometimes lmfao

[junior latch]

Most levels dont even remotely take that long

even on a blind playthrough where you go safe all the time the longest should be 2 hours

[junior latch]

R1 itself is like an hour long

[normal lake]

idk the pe levels typically take quite awhile for my group

b2 with secondary and b3 with pe took my group 2 hours on a replay for both of em

not counting resets

altho i dont really think the checkpoint is necessary for either of those levels but they definitly are good for newer players who would be playing those levels

b3 overloads ending even with a bunch of resources was hard for my group the first time we did it and redoing the checkpoint def made us improve a lot

[raw shard]

You're forgetting that not everyone instantly has 1k hours and have to learn stuff

[normal lake]

they shouldnt be abusable but they are absolutely necessary to this game

[raw shard]

Well I'm not sure I agree with checkpoints being necessary

[mint light]

They are not "necessary" 🤦‍♂️

People managed the two hardest rundowns just fine without checkpoints

[normal lake]

can say not necessary all ya want but it does not change the fact that longer levels are not playable for any group who doesnt have hundreds of hours to sink into a single rundown

[junior latch]

That was mostly a jab at comparing r1 and r2 completion times

[mint light]

And I am telling you that new groups did clear R4 and R5 and those levels were harder than R7 and no checkpoints

So what you say is just factually incorrect

They are not "necessary"

[normal lake]

and im telling you it was likely a lot more time consuming and less enjoyable than if well placed checkpoints had been littered through the harder levels

[vestal crystal]

i wonder how many premade groups that started in r5 actually managed to clear e1 with that same group without 1 carry player

[raw shard]

Yeah R5 didn't have checkpoints and honestly those levels were longer and harder than current day rundown levels

[junior latch]

You have to remember. The game doesnt intend for a first timer whos new to first time complete a hard mission lol

so resetting back to lobby is supposed to be a thing

it also adds that you feel better once you clear it if you got reset back to lobby vs checkpointing a dozen times

[normal lake]

cant imagine how many players decided game wasnt for them early because they didnt have time to sink into replaying the same stealth beginning map 6 times

[mint light]

Ah but you see. you're saying more time consuming. It's not impossible

[normal lake]

yes and its necessary if the game wants to reach a broader audience

[vestal crystal]

that ship has sailed

[raw shard]

If the games not for you then it's not for you. it's supposed to be hardcore

[mint light]

That's just a player seeing the obvious. sometimes a game just is not for everyone

[coarse grail]

Wonder how many players stopped playing the game because they got used to checkpoints and then found they were respawning with cells in their hands 😄

[normal lake]

"hardcore" means nothing when its just elitism

[raw shard]

[mint light]

Devs have said multiple times they know this game is niche and will stay so

[junior latch]

if they cant replay the „same“ beginning multiple times then they wouldnt get past the harder one later on either

[normal lake]

rimworld is hard because the game is hard not because its time consuming

[junior latch]

You havent seen people try r6 because of checkpoints

they spend way more time

for way less fun

mate, gtfo levels arent that long

[raw shard]

oi mate

[rough kiln]

Most of GTFO's difficulty is artificial; lack on information, lack of access to learning things

[normal lake]

gtfo is hard because you die and lose a hour and a half of progress to something you didnt expect

[mint light]

Gtfo levels are on average 1 hour

[normal lake]

its literally all of the difficulty

[junior latch]

on average what a beginner plays will take around what 1-2 league matches would take

[rough kiln]

Gear does not display stats. Enemy detection is host sided so inconsistent if you play as client

[junior latch]

thats definetly not true lol

[normal lake]

knowing what to take into a level already gives you such a large leg up

[rough kiln]

3 of the 4 melee weapons are vastly inferior to 1

[coarse grail]

can you not die in rimworld?

its difficult but you never lose progress?

[normal lake]

rimworld has reloading for players who like reloading

[mint light]

How come there are sooo many teams that first clear levels then

[rough kiln]

Not knowing where to go is the biggest issue. The garbage contrast with the red warden intel text on black rooms is awful so 90% of players don't even see or read the text

[normal lake]

its a necessary artifact of the game for most people to enjoy it

[raw shard]

If you go into levels expecting to beat them first try then the game isn't for you

[normal lake]

but the game is still unreasonably hard without ruining the experience

[rough kiln]

If you understand the structure of how levels are laid out, you don't need to know the map

If you know how to easily dodge or manipulate enemy attacks, there is no challenge to avoiding death in most cases

[junior latch]

imo failing and then succeeding after actually having to restart felt way way better

than checkpoint clears

[rough kiln]

Giant shooters can't even down you on 20%. Strikers + shooter combo doesn't kill you on regen cap

[junior latch]

especially as a beginner

it removes so much tension

which is something that gtfo is supposed to have a lot of

[mint light]

People with checkpoint clears will have a harder time on deeper levels

Cause they aren't ready

[rough kiln]

Checkpoints often lead to brick walling into a failed run

[normal lake]

because they have less hours in the game by default

[mint light]

No cause because bashing you head against a wall until it breaks instead of learning the game

[coarse grail]

I'm so glad I started with 300 hours

would have hated this game otherwise

[mint light]

same tbh

[junior latch]

i am still of the opinion that rare, specifically placed checkpoints can be a good addition. Not to make it easier but less tedious at times

imagine if r6 only had checkpoints for c1, d1 and dx (and only 1 before the suprising/hard part)

then limit uses

and bam

[jaunty pollen]

hey guy

howl and play time r3?

[normal lake]

which i agree

[mint light]

Just limit to 3 uses. After that the game literally puts up the image of a middle finger and boots you back to start

[junior latch]

its shitty for a beginner to get suprised by say the teleport at the end of dx

[normal lake]

i dont like the checkpoints in most levels

[junior latch]

but why have 5 in D1???

[normal lake]

d2 checkpoint is fuckin stupid

[junior latch]

and again. They are never necessary

Theyll always be a crutch

[mint light]

this really

[normal lake]

its literally 2-3 minutes before the end of the map and everything before it is 30 minutes

unless your a tard and cant read terminals like me

[mint light]

they never were necessary, they never will. Unless R8 is somehow insane

which I doubt

[junior latch]

7 D levels, 3 E levels

1 A tier

no B no C

[normal lake]

with all the alt rundowns done i dont see why they wouldnt make r8 really hard

[junior latch]

you either go ham or go home

[mint light]

1 A tier, starts with an constant error immediatly

[junior latch]

no ammo

[rough kiln]

Most of the difficulty new players experience is the shitty default 55 fov where you can't see, so you get hit and aim punched into the ceiling and there's no hit indicator for the direction the enemy was

[junior latch]

no tool

[normal lake]

anyone who is experienced enough to beat all other 7 rundowns should be ready for really fucking hard levels

[junior latch]

unironically. I want a level like r7c3 but for A/B tier

[normal lake]

camera shake lookin ass

[mint light]

change your fov then

[rough kiln]

So you get aimpunched to death by shooters because you can't see. Literally raise your fov to 90 and all the difficulty of enemy positioning fades away instantly

[raw shard]

People don't though lmao

[junior latch]

Who doesnt check settings???

[rough kiln]

I play on 110. I am never confused as to why I got hit because I can see

[normal lake]

i still play on like 60 fov its the only game i like the fov to be small

[sharp siren]

its 55 for the cinematics

[rough kiln]

Open GTFO twitch

[sharp siren]

[rough kiln]

EVERYONE lol

[junior latch]

I KNOW

[raw shard]

Literally everyone on twitch uses 55 FOV

[normal lake]

esspecially when most games start you out with motion blur

[rough kiln]

90%+ of players do not check settings

[lone kestrel]

I play on 360 fov

[mint light]

GTFO twitch is something else

[rough kiln]

The default settings are shit in this game

[junior latch]

Back in r6 i got nearly every streamer to up their fov

[mint light]

I am convinced its mostly steam discussions players there

[vestal crystal]

khepri played on 55...

[junior latch]

Not that bad

[mint light]

forever missed 😭

[normal lake]

where checkpoints introduced in r6?

[mint light]

yes

[raw shard]

It just feels rude to tell them to up thier FOV but like, they complain they can't see what's hitting them and they wonder why lmao

[junior latch]

A friend of mine plays on 55, he also doesnt shoot 😐

[rough kiln]

You can see around you, you can navigate fog, you can see the enemies, you can see your teammates

[normal lake]

guessing thats why they spammed checkpoints

[junior latch]

I usually just explain. Hey, base fov is 55 and shit. Check out if you wanna change that and maybe motion blur

[rough kiln]

In default you are literally zoomed in

[junior latch]

Fucking looks like you are looking through a cardboard box

[raw shard]

I too love the default Unity Camera

[junior latch]

It also helps in possibly learning game mechanics due to key binds and settings

[jaunty pollen]

@raw shard/..?

f.,...furry?

[normal lake]

yeah

anyways only levels i think need checkpoints in r6 are honestly b3, c1 end, c2 is questionable and d1 before the reactor

[junior latch]

I feel like the biggest issue with checkpoints was, that the people who would cry the loudest for them used them in the worst way (litteraly 6-10 hour r6c1 attempts, not clears, attempts) or 4+ hours r6d1 etc etc

[normal lake]

basically only levels that end in major hard parts

[sharp siren]

Im gonna learn unity and make my own gtfo,

[junior latch]

Dx

the last one before teleport

[sharp siren]

and im gonna use il2cpp x2

[junior latch]

That are a suprise*

[sharp siren]

double the pain in the ass

[normal lake]

i only use checkpoints on parts like that personally anyways

[feral summit]

If 55 is zoomed in, what's not zoomed in or zoomed out?

[normal lake]

c2s checkpoint before the overload was good

[coarse grail]

before the reactor doesn't need one

[normal lake]

but the one in the secondary is dumb

[rough kiln]

Around 80-90

[coarse grail]

before the end maybe

[junior latch]

between 70-100 generally

[rough kiln]

Above that will start to fish eye from zooming out

I recommend 90. Above that is for gamer mode

[normal lake]

imo the reactor is the only part of the level that really has any team wipes and at that point its a pretty massive setback

• the unexpected tank

[junior latch]

that reactor doesnt take long to get to…

id understand having one AFTER

[coarse grail]

the reactor is a joke compared to the final alarm imo

[normal lake]

am i misremembering the level

i thought the reactor was the end

[coarse grail]

no it just turns the lights on

[junior latch]

and the sudden suprise boss fight thats actually a challenge for newer people first try

[normal lake]

i probably am hold on

[raw shard]

Hotbox% 😎

[junior latch]

if you hear it sizzling you doin it right

[vestal crystal]

u thinking about d3 maybe

if its a reactor where wipes happen

[normal lake]

the one right after the class x charger scan is the one im refering to

or class v if you do the stealth

[vestal crystal]

r7d1?

[normal lake]

yeah

[junior latch]

thats… not a reactor

and we are talking r6 rn

[normal lake]

gotcha thats why i was confused

then what is it

[vestal crystal]

did you mistype r6 instead of r7

[normal lake]

yeah my bad

i was confused as hell didnt even realize lmfao

[junior latch]

for r7

i can see checkpoints for C2 pre overload choice maybe
c1 before snatcher part is good
B3 before ending is ok
thats it

[viscid trellis]

you mean standard

[normal lake]

b3 ending is wild first time you do it esspecially since your probably not used to having one or two people carrying shit

the end of d1 gave my group more trouble then probably any other shoot sequence

c3 ending is nowhere near hard enough to justify a checkpoint considering how hard the rest of the level is

[junior latch]

Tbf. You arent „expected/supposed“ to do overload on your first try basically

[raw shard]

The problem with checkpoints is that teams brick wall at them trying the same thing over and over, restarting at the beginning gives the run value and makes you think about your strategy

[junior latch]

so you would learn the ending normally

[raw shard]

I've seen it happen many times

[normal lake]

if you do pe you should basically have 100% res by the time you reach the end

[raw shard]

People get stuck for hours

[normal lake]

i think the checkpoint is good shooting practice and fog practice in general though

[viscid trellis]

checkpoint is like a save file

[normal lake]

not really a resource strict level

[viscid trellis]

with bad save file, you would think to just remove it

but i think pub thought like, "we spent a lot of time we can't restart the entire thing"

[junior latch]

This happened so often on r6b2

[normal lake]

yeah if im coming up to the b3 checkpoint with basically no resources ima be like "We are almost definitly going to fail and unless we are literally extracting when we go down we probably should reset"

[crimson oriole]

30-ish minutes to get back to the checkpoint vs 1 hour of attempting to get to extract

[junior latch]

20 min into the level at worst

[viscid trellis]

they need someone in the team to tell them that, "this save is so shit, we need to restart"

[normal lake]

kek usually its me and almost every time i do we end up playing worse

[sharp owl]

I'll leave a pub if we checkpoint more than once or twice

[normal lake]

the curse of playing at night is getting cold hands and tired man

[viscid trellis]

it's not a speedrun guys, stop doing the exact same thing

a little cheeky, i'm sorry

[vestal crystal]

its not the same, the speedrun guys reset before they even wipe when they get the wrong seed

[normal lake]

there is only one time i remember abusing a checkpoint and it was def the last checkpoint in d1

once we died i was like aight right down terminal numbers fuck this shit

that level was so painful i genuinely did not ever wanna go back through it

and that still is my opinion

[viscid trellis]

i would like to do some more r7d1

[raw shard]

why

[viscid trellis]

i can make the level more curse with my internet

[viscid trellis]

i like the level

it's chill

[viscid trellis]

just hop back on r7d1 with bot for some clips

[normal lake]

honestly i have enjoyed everything in this game except d1

[viscid trellis]

maybe i can make it more enjoyable

[coarse grail]

go with Alpha and get the 4 snatcher experience

[viscid trellis]

6

with my 0.35mps download speed

[coarse grail]

do you actually get 6?

I assumed it capped with player number

[normal lake]

i dont like being vored by tentacle monsters

[coarse grail]

vore them first

assert dominant

[viscid trellis]

the bug happen when the command got triggered multiple time

[coarse grail]

and what causes it to trigger multiple times?

[viscid trellis]

you combine it with
Packet loss, can't transfer data to host

[viscid trellis]

desync

"Can't transfer data to player XXXXXX(host)"

[coarse grail]

Even if the host triggers it?

[viscid trellis]

ye

[normal lake]

is this bytes or bits

[viscid trellis]

it's peer to peer

[viscid trellis]

would that make any different

[coarse grail]

a byte is 8 bits

[normal lake]

bits would be 8 times slower

[viscid trellis]

nice

[coarse grail]

big B is bytes little b is bits

[normal lake]

you could be getting 2.8 megabits per second afterall

[viscid trellis]

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[coarse grail]

figured it would be bits

so they show you a larger number

[viscid trellis]

Vietnam connecting to Hongkong

[normal lake]

or 0.04375 bytes lmfao

[coarse grail]

yeah thats dog tier

[normal lake]

good lord your provider is doing you dirty

[viscid trellis]

brother

we have 7 cables oversea

4 of them is broken

2 of them are inactive (not finished)

[normal lake]

kek well atleast you can kinda vc on discord lmfao

[viscid trellis]

we are now running on 1

[viscid trellis]

with 0 bar

"can you show me how many ping i have in vc discord???"

discord: "Can't"

[normal lake]

i cant believe you can even chat with that

guessing images just dont work

[viscid trellis]

have you ever, click in a server, "oh there's chat happening", click to that channel, wait 30 seconds -> 1 minute

AND THEN it show you the chat

[normal lake]

whats funny is your upload is actually 1/3rd the speed of my internet

your download is like 1/500th the speed of my internet

[viscid trellis]

it's not 7pm yet, so i'll chat as much as i can

that's when i can't even load youtube

[coarse grail]

you poor guy

[normal lake]

reminds me of back in the day

i used to use utorrent to mass download anime at night

because downloading from a browser would just fail

[viscid trellis]

7pm hit
me: #gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[normal lake]

and streaming was impossible even at peak hours speed

[junior latch]

unplayable key*

i miss having to run to key box just to reset anyway

[normal lake]

i have like 1-2k hours in xbox diablo 3 and xbox 7 days to die because i didnt have internet for 3 years

so i just played the games i had

[viscid trellis]

Provider A: "So, are we gonna fix the cable??"
Provider B: "No"

[normal lake]

i also remember having a bunch of youtube videos downloaded and i would just rewatch them a lot

back when i was like 11 years old

[viscid trellis]

welp, i have to wait til April

[normal lake]

look on the bright side you will have r4

and decent internet if thats what comes april

[viscid trellis]

IF they are not late ( the cable)

[normal lake]

which they absolutely will be

[viscid trellis]

"omg, there is a storm coming"
*delayed for 2 more weeks

[raw shard]

There's no way we get R4 by April

[normal lake]

if they keep the every 2 months thing going

[sharp owl]

there's no way we get r4 this year

[normal lake]

then supposedly r4 is some time in april

[raw shard]

So true

[sharp owl]

hi brandon

[raw shard]

Sup

[normal lake]

but i doubt it lmfao

[raw shard]

The R3 remake has taken longer than R3 took the first time

[sharp owl]

if r3 isnt here yet, r4 won't be in by april

[normal lake]

if r3 is already running late i dont see much hope in r4

yeah pretty much my thoughts

[sharp owl]

they're working on r3 and r4 rn so there's less release time between them right?

[normal lake]

i can wait tho ive been waiting for geometry dash 2.2 for 6 years just about and we are still getting sneak peaks

meanwhile minecraft takes a year and a half to update and usually adds 30 minutes of content

[junior latch]

we are now hitting the time frame where if r3 doesnt come its dissapointing (contrary to r2 which was completely fine)

2 1/2 months - roughly half a month for vacation is 2 months which imo is bordering on the limit unless its r4/5

[normal lake]

not a good measurement like 20 blocks and maybe a revamp to biomes

[raw shard]

what kinda sense does that make lmao

Minecraft is a sandbox

[junior latch]

This is still so crazy to me

[raw shard]

On god

[sharp owl]

they're too busy working on bug fixes

[normal lake]

thats more unrealistic than them releasing all rundowns together

dont be crazy now

anyways 5 am i gotta get some sleep

gotta be up in a few hours lmfao

[sharp owl]

R3

[last parrot]

R3

[serene jewel]

R3

[tall hawk]

R3

[grizzled bison]

What's ironic is that r3 is the weirdest rundown to simp over

1. Of a rundown that showcases the lab environment it has two lab levels out of its SEVEN
2. Half of its levels are repeat content (a2 a3 c1)
3. The development of r4 took almost 7 months which practically killed the player base
4. Featured 3 instances of a birther, the final of which was able to be killed so fast the music just abruptly stopped
5. Featured no new objectives

But I guess it had the rifle and that's all it takes

[sharp owl]

if R3 was out we'd be saying R4

[serene jewel]

New content

[grizzled bison]

New 🥹

[sharp owl]

🥹

[serene jewel]

I never played the first rundowns I win 😈

[sharp owl]

seriously just grab some friends and play modded rundowns

[grizzled bison]

This is why the double drop is going to come in clutch

[whole kindle]

Can anyone tell me if checkpoints are optional because I've been redoing the stage completely every time haha, not that it bothers me

[grizzled bison]

Just skip rundown 3 alt

[sharp owl]

entirely optional

[whole kindle]

Awesome, I can make my friend suffer even more!

[sharp owl]

they're gonna drop R3, R4 and R5 all together

🥹

[grizzled bison]

Don't be silly

Rundown 5 isn't going to be released because they're giving up on gtfo

[sharp owl]

[grizzled bison]

I've been personally told so (LEAK)

[serene jewel]

Implying they're not dropping all the alt rundowns at once

[whole kindle]

Would be a shame if they abandoned the game. Fun hidden gem of a game

[sharp owl]

would be a shame if they never fixed any of the bugs in the game

oh wait...

[whole kindle]

Only glitch I've seen so far is rooms disappearing for a second if you stand in a doorway

[rose nova]

one time that happened to me and i walk into a sleeper and my heart stopped

was rlly funny lmao

[viscid trellis]

we also simp for rundown 5

a rundown that when release got shit on by a lot of people because there was literally 0 new enemy

[coarse grail]

new thing bad

old thing good

[whole kindle]

are there only r1 r2 and r7 right now?

[coarse grail]

yea

[whole kindle]

what happened to 3-6?

[coarse grail]

At the time every time a new rundown was added the previous one would be removed

They were updating a lot of the core game mechanics and adding things that would have made the older ones pretty awful to maintain

[whole kindle]

are they planning on bringing them back?

[coarse grail]

They already have

R1 and R2 are back

The rest are on their way

[whole kindle]

gotcha, trying to decide if i want to attempt to solo through the remaining R1 that i have...randoms will make me get even more gray hairs 😄

[coarse grail]

If you've started soling through you already know its difficult

Its not gonna get any easier

[whole kindle]

i have been playing with one other friend. this game is so niche none of my other friends will even try it

[coarse grail]

Ah well with one other friend and some bots you can get a lot more done

[whole kindle]

very true, still working on a way to kill the giants without breaking stealth

[coarse grail]

If you have your friend with you you can smack off body parts alternating hits

First person hits the head, second hits the giant just before its stagger wears off (on the arm or leg), etc

[whole kindle]

interesting, will have to try that

[vagrant veldt]

Yeah but do not use the knife for that. Hammer best I think.

[velvet atlas]

greetings

it is i

[mint light]

there arent any in R1-R5 so don't worry bout it

[mint light]

R1 can be soloed, this will not be true for everything

[grizzled bison]

I think most people simp for the extension rather than just r5

Boosters my beloved 🥰🥰😍😍

[viscid trellis]

it's still R5

[grizzled bison]

R4 was hilariously bloated with optionals that mostly just consisted of error alarms or reactors

Wait a minute

All the rundowns were fucking awful

Why do we want them back???

[viscid trellis]

the khepri incident

[grizzled bison]

The guy with the intro where a bug farts?

His criticism video was mild at best

[viscid trellis]

but but but

OLD RUNDOWN

"We want that Rundown 1 content"

[grizzled bison]

Rather they just have kept content continuing from rundown 7

So you'd actually have new rundowns with new content

[viscid trellis]

but

Rundown 1 and 2 tho

[grizzled bison]

But that'd they development time away from cyberheisr 🤓

They just keep putting hybrids everywhere

[viscid trellis]

"why can't we play old rundown", "give it back"

[grizzled bison]

How are these new levels???

Suppose it's all built for the new player so 🤷

[viscid trellis]

people would listen to a guy who "figure out" how to fix sniper melee is to make it 3x worse

[grizzled bison]

Sniper melee was fixed

[viscid trellis]

back when it wasn't fixed

he figured it out

[grizzled bison]

Truly a great mind of our time

[viscid trellis]

Just make it worse

and blame your internet connection

Truly a very good fix

he has a degree, he knows what he's talking about

[grizzled bison]

I'd hope the devs would have fixed their level generator so it doesn't just reroll already existing levels as they redesign the old ones

Maybe that's why they're so ill inclined to update or fix levels

[viscid trellis]

i have a vid i watched

https://youtu.be/_IHY_1L3pBY

it's from satisfactory dev

[viscid trellis]

tldr: fix 1 thing may break other thing, fix a big thing might break another big thing

they fixed jittering and give you sniper melee for example

LIVE EXAMPLE

[grizzled bison]

I don't see how that might affect something like level generation

That or they've been trying for months to actually fix the checkpoint related bugs

But last update we got on that was literally "we can't recreate the issue"

So now the known issues portion of the discord is dead

I assume it's because the only person in charge of that was asked to leave because he caused so much discourse within the community

So here we are, given zero information about upcoming content or rehashed older rundowns because people were surprised about a release date for content that had already come out

Simply a player issue

[quartz cape]

cyberheist addresses these issues

[vagrant veldt]

So I showed a new guy around yesterdat, on terminal, R7A1. Few people joined. R7A1, full of chargers. "Oh that bug happens." No it does not. I know it was not the green leaf. I know it as not me. Can I check who it was?

[grizzled bison]

Cyberheist will reuse the pouncer model for their Happy

[quartz cape]

unless you remember who else was in the vc with you, there isn't really a way to know

[grizzled bison]

I wonder if the fiddler will make a return 🫣

[quartz cape]

deep lore

[vagrant veldt]

The ingame names were SHOES and Jelsh but the Discord ones, not sure.

[grizzled bison]

Yeah its likely you won't find them again

[vagrant veldt]

Okay next time I will screenshot Discord over the game screen.

It happens a lot lately and is gettng rather annoying.

[grizzled bison]

I also had a guy who claimed he was new

It's time to avoid new players 😢

[quartz cape]

screenshot your vc, evidence of ingame shennanigans, and send it over to modmail. they'll probably just come back on alt accounts, but its the best we can do atm