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leaden sable
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(spoiler alert: Livyatan is terrible)

digital sleet
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someone said in chat livy is a bad experience

leaden sable
digital sleet
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yeag juist likke that ht

leaden sable
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I have soloed Livy with Ankylorhiza multiple times

digital sleet
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i just need to get 100 marks with the dolphin to unlock the echolocation ability

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but i dont think i can

leaden sable
digital sleet
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also someone got a shark/squalico to the grand plains river too

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they killed a semiaquatic lurdu

leaden sable
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The tail attack can mess you up since it does knockback

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It also has a bizarrely long lasting hitbox

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it's pretty easy to bait tho

vapid charm
sacred stirrup
silent marten
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how do the vc's work? anyone can join or are they people in a group kinda thing?

young gale
zinc cape
silent marten
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oooooo

elder garden
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Well, since I can't ask in booster chat anymore

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@full patrol you listened to Epic the musical?

full patrol
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Nope never heard of it

elder garden
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Damn

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You should give it a listen

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On Spotify or YT

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Based on The Odyssey

full patrol
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I'll listen to that, you find Lindsey Stirling and listen to some of her stuff TI_DangerRex

elder garden
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Sure, no clue who that is but I'll check her out

full patrol
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Great violinist

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My personal favorite

elder garden
harsh stream
austere robin
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my friend suggested i add the sound effect and it made it so much better

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it was like they forgot i existed

harsh stream
austere robin
harsh stream
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Goofy

full patrol
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@lilac venture it ain't cooked šŸ’€

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It's almost there

lilac venture
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Ooof

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Seems like your oven is cooking at like 50 degrees cooler heck

full patrol
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Idk it says it's 400

austere robin
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my oven has the opposite problem, it runs too hot

lilac venture
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My oven is a tad older and cooks cooler I’m always having to cook at least 10-20 degrees hotter

full patrol
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I usually pan fry cause I can control the exact crisp on it but I didn't want to be splattered with hot grease today

austere robin
lilac venture
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Baked bacon has better flavor imo so you made the right choice. Try 450 next time you do it. Should finish in 11-12 mins

full patrol
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Good quality

lilac venture
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Ovens be wild can’t make up their minds

full patrol
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For real I might just turn up the temp now because it's going so slow

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We're almost at 30min

lilac venture
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Yeah try 450

austere robin
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i fixed it by scraping off the temp markings on the knob and rewriting them 45 degrees more

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it looks so weird now but it works

lilac venture
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Sadly mine has a digital thermostat so I’m screwed I just gotta remember to up the heat when I use it šŸ˜‚

full patrol
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Ya ours is digital too

lilac venture
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I wonder if it’s a bad thermometer and not the actual oven

austere robin
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id guess its significantly harder to scrape of an LCD than it is some crappy paint

full patrol
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That's what I'm thinking

lilac venture
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Either way too broke to care since I won’t be able to fix it lol

austere robin
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i need to learn how to cook with fire so i can avoid numbers

full patrol
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Like stovetop or fire oven?

austere robin
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campfire

full patrol
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Ahhh

austere robin
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ovens clearly dont work as intended

lilac venture
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lol

austere robin
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i wish i had a gas stove again, they heat so much faster than coils

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the one i have also keeps messing up my pans

lilac venture
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I love my gas stove. Only acceptable stove to have imo

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Plus you can still cook when power goes out TI_Perfect

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Campfire in your house

austere robin
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i have a generator so that isnt as big of an issue

lilac venture
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Ah nice

austere robin
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it barely functions and i should probably wear an EOD suit whenever i get near it while running but it works

lilac venture
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šŸ˜‚ as long as it works

austere robin
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im planning on getting some solar panels installed for that reason

lilac venture
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Heck yea

austere robin
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power went out somewhat often at my last place so im making sure it isnt an issue

lilac venture
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Yeah that’s no fun

austere robin
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my pc and router are set up to a battery-powered PSU so i can still play games lmao

lilac venture
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Thats genius ngl

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@full patrol did it work?

mossy lake
rough hollow
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birb TI_TenontoLove

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I love how it failed reaching at first 😭

full patrol
austere robin
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i think your oven is trying to sabotage your food

wintry matrix
rustic badger
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Noice car

austere robin
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i wonder what kind of engine it has

wintry matrix
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on a rare occasion tha car will beep at me from under the bathroom door, but other than that, its silenced

austere robin
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have you tried taking it to a mechanic?

wintry matrix
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what it lacks in revving, it more than makes up for in comfort

austere robin
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my car revs whenever i pick it up

wintry matrix
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my car just flops like a wet noodle when i pick it up

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and it seems oddly attracted towards freezers

austere robin
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mine refuses to play with any toy, opting for one of those hospital bracelet tag things

covert vector
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@shadow loom a simple poll would tell us the answer to that

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i dont understand how you expect the devs to make money so that the game can be better

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since release the game has been buggy and servers crash repeatedly, ping and FPS vary all the time. SO many people have quit and yes, others have joined but the player base is still small because A. lack of marketing and B. the game is buggy as hell

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money solves both of those issues

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how would u like the devs to make money to solve those issues?

shadow loom
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They sold us the game...they made money off that sale. Ya know the same way every other game we buy makes money.

covert vector
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bro...

shadow loom
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yes

covert vector
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i forget how much the game costs

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20 bucks?

shadow loom
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it's like 20 bucks

covert vector
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lmao

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i cant wu

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if 100k ppl bought the game thats 2 mil

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look where its gotten us

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blizzard makes millions in revenue every year on WoW

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hence why it is so popular and so many ppl know about it - MARKETING / a game with no issues

spice gyro
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Also a game which is managed in a way that sucks as much money out of its community as it possibly can

covert vector
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clearly that doesnt matter to the community of almost 100x this game

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lol?

full patrol
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Are we talking about how the game that is on like 4 different platforms has the same amount of active players as the game on 1 platform?

spice gyro
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Normalizing predatory business practices is not a good thing

covert vector
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? WoW is on PC only

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and its not predatory to want a business to be successful and thrive

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a monthly sub that has NEVER changed/increased is not predatory

spice gyro
full patrol
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Ok we're not talking about PoT ok
Looked like the same argument someone was using in isle discussion the other day

covert vector
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again, monthly sub = why blizzard is a multi billion dollar company

spice gyro
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And good thing we don’t have that

covert vector
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and can make their games so good that millions of people play them

full patrol
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So you're saying the isle is bad because they're not charging you a monthly subscription to play their early access unfinished game that's in active development

covert vector
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how many times do u think ppl bought this game and logged i and werent able to eat a plant (1/4 things u do in the game) and refunded

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like?

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im saying the isle is bad bc the devs have 0 resources to make it better

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which is a fact lol

barren bear
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are you sure

full patrol
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If that were the case then why is the game still getting updates?

covert vector
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updates doesnt make the game better

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theres more bugs than there were before the update with every update

full patrol
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So how do you propose they add more mechanics and content to the game and fix current issues?

wide saffron
covert vector
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id rather them fix bugs and THEN keep adding new dinos

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they add dinos to desperately try to get people to play the game

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but again, people log in and wanna pounce someone on utah

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and die bc they pounced

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and then guess what they dont play the game

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lmaop

barren bear
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typically early access games strive for content over optimisation and bug fixes

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this is not to say they don't do bug fixes, because they do

covert vector
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this game has been early access

barren bear
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but their main goal is to reach 1.0

covert vector
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for 6 years now?

barren bear
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evrima for 4.5

covert vector
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a game typically isnt early access for 5 years lol

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and once its not early access

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u think its gonna be free of bugs?

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no

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bc again, the devs are working full time

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bc the game makes no money

barren bear
barren bear
spice gyro
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Are you saying the only way to have a game be good is to have business practices that force players to spend far more money than is necessary?

full patrol
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So here's how development on every game works:

  • Introduce new thing
  • new bugs to fix
  • fix critical bugs
  • introduce more new things
  • continue to fix bugs

The point being, with every new addition or change to the game there is potential for new bugs so you fix them as you go. It would be a waste of time to 100% fix bugs before moving to any new content or mechanics as bugs are inevitable and being bug free is a endgame goal. You fix as many as you can along the way

covert vector
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idk how u guys think a business works

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but losing money

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is not how

full patrol
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Dw the isle is not losing money

barren bear
spice gyro
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They just expanded their team too

full patrol
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I don't personally do their finances but dondi has said many times they are not struggling financially as a dev team and are currently looking for more people to add to the team

barren bear
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wow, didn't look at the steam charts though
i did not expect it to be rising though lol, like this

covert vector
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the proof that the game isnt making as much money as whats needed is in the pudding lol

barren bear
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i suppose holidays though

full patrol
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Oh ya we got like 2k new players over the holiday break

digital sleet
covert vector
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new dino every 6 monthsish?

barren bear
full patrol
covert vector
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is my entire point

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LOL

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BY MAKING MONEY

digital sleet
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old mate really thinks it’s just throwing money at something and you get what you want

covert vector
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again

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no idea how business works

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ever heard of shareholders?

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yes that does get u what u want

digital sleet
full patrol
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I'm starting to think you don't know how business works TI_Think

wide saffron
digital sleet
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he knows a thing or two about walking into a store

covert vector
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lol okay

full patrol
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I mean sure if you're a billionaire just throw money at anything to get your way
But normal life doesn't work like that

covert vector
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at the end of the day every video game is a business

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its still an INDIE GAME bc its not making enough money

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HIRING people is an issue

full patrol
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And like I said, isle isn't struggling financially and is hiring new employees right now

covert vector
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because they can probably barely afford to pay them 60k a year

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when there are hundreds of job oppurtunities in gaming

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that pay more

digital sleet
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yeah so uh

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where’s your evidence

covert vector
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play a herbivore in the game and try to eat a plant only to get stuck and be forced to log

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there is my evidence

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that the game isnt doing great financially

digital sleet
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how does that have any relevance to the financial state of the developer team lmfao

full patrol
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The food stuck in face bug is mostly fixed. I personally haven't had it happen to me since the December update

digital sleet
austere robin
covert vector
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and again, fixing one bug in this game causes 20 more

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look at utah pounce

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literally hasnt been working well since release

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works 50% of the time

austere robin
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i dont think fixing the food-in-mouth bug caused omni's pounce jank

covert vector
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not my point lol

full patrol
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Ya that's kinda how game development works, fix one bug another appears. It's a constant struggle and extremely common among all games when in development

covert vector
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extremely common among all games that dont make enough money

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:))

austere robin
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you say that as though subscription based games dont have bugs

full patrol
covert vector
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never heard of either of them

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šŸ˜„

barren bear
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lol

full patrol
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Ok they're flaimbaiting at this point

covert vector
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difference between bugs that are annoying vs bugs that make the game unplayable

digital sleet
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man pulls out the ā€œnuh uhā€

barren bear
covert vector
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i never paid a monthly sub for skyrim?

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played skyrim for a long time

barren bear
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why not

digital sleet
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what’s another AAA game that resulted in horrible, buggy mess

austere robin
full patrol
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Didn't diablo 4 have a terrible launch day?

barren bear
barren bear
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already said

digital sleet
full patrol
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Sorry I figured if they get to argue with points that aren't related to the topic I get to also TI_Troll

covert vector
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ya clearly im not gonna change any opinions here and mine isnt going to be changed so w/e, im not mad, i just know if the game was doing as well as u guys think it was the team would be bigger and there would be less bugs and more updates

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but good debate fellas gg

digital sleet
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ah, there’s a particular series of buggy games and poor content despite coming from an incredibly rich AAA producer

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the entirety of the Nintendo corporation’s games since the switch released

barren bear
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in terms of poor content, lots of those when Wii U arrived

full patrol
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The team is getting bigger. They just hired some people and are actively hiring

This has been said multiple times now. For someone who claims to know so much about business you don't seem to understand the multiple times this has been said

covert vector
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lmao i cant w u

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how many ppl have they hired?

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are u aware of this for a fact?

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how big is the team?

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tell me

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exact numbers

barren bear
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on linkedin, states (minimum) just below 20
noting that not all staff would be part of the linkedin

full patrol
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They currently have around 30 compared to last year they had about 20
I don't know the exact numbers because I'm not on the dev team

covert vector
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so they hired 10 people

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in a year

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wow!

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and look where the game has gotten in a year

barren bear
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which is pretty good

covert vector
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2 dinos

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and more bugs

barren bear
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seeing as they don't have a publisher, therefore no large backing of money\

full patrol
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It's an indie game not alot of people want to work for indie games, especially niche indie games
10 new people in a year is pretty good

austere robin
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might i remind you:

covert vector
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early access for almost 5 years

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might i remind u

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bud

digital sleet
covert vector
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again

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ur not understanding

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if i was in gaming and an indie game offered me

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60k/year

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and blizzard offered me 100k/year

full patrol
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A indie team going for AAA quality when the game is finished. When it took Rockstar 10 years to make their game with thousands of people

covert vector
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which job am i taking?

barren bear
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of course
such job is safer because they have quite a lot of money via investors, a publishing company, etc

austere robin
digital sleet
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there’s a lot of controversy regarding the inner workings of blizzard when it comes to staff management

barren bear
full patrol
barren bear
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going into programming for games is the worst path you could pick

covert vector
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point is, when you're hiring employees but cant offer them as much money as every other competitor because u dont make as much money as every other competitor

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u dont get as many employees

full patrol
digital sleet
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yet they still got 10 devs in one entire year

full patrol
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In a market that's not saturated with people looking to work for you

covert vector
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blizzard had 13k employees in 2022

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in 2023 they had 17k

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but yea

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they hired 10 ppl

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thats great

full patrol
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Again, comparing a corporation to a small indie studio

covert vector
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im NOT saying by any means the devs suck or the game is bad, just saying they dont have the resources to make it better lol

digital sleet
full patrol
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What we're trying to say is the evidence suggests otherwise

austere robin
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also blizzard

full patrol
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If they don't have the resources to make the game better they wouldn't hire

covert vector
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well in 2023 blizzard got bought by private equity so

tired hinge
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dude youve made it extremly clear that you have no idea what youre actually talking about/ how game development or business actually works

covert vector
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that explains that

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and is a whole other conversation lol

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idk how ive done that

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a game that makes a ton of money is a better game, this being an indie game is quite literally the perfect example of that

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and early access for 5 years

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its a fact

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find me an indie MMO more popular than WoW xD

full patrol
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So basically, all large popular games are better than any indie game because they make more money

covert vector
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yes

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LOL

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well thats relative

digital sleet
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I’m about to avoid the chat filter

covert vector
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popularity of a game suggests it being better

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but u can like an indie game more than a popular one

barren bear
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they make more money, whilst also being backed by a publisher, etc
therefore they can put more money into advertising, therefore more people will buy the game
meaning they make more money

especially more potential players than an indie game that can only afford some advertising

covert vector
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if blizzard put all their money into marketing and advertising

covert vector
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but ppl logged in and the game was unplayable

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people wouldnt play the game

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BRUH!!!

barren bear
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of course, because they're owned by a parent company

covert vector
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there are virtually 0 bugs in WoW that make the game unplayable

barren bear
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which has money to advertise

covert vector
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yes ty for making my point

barren bear
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(hi microsoft)

full patrol
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It's almost like WoW is a finished game and not in early access

barren bear
covert vector
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if it was im sure there would be less bugs šŸ™‚

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and servers wouldnt crash šŸ™‚

barren bear
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therefore adhering to mother company/external producers for what 'the producers' want with their game

full patrol
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Oh god if the isle got bought by Microsoft or some crap they'd kill it so fast

covert vector
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idk why u think that

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but ok

barren bear
covert vector
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there are ways for the devs to make more money to make the game better

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hence my idea of a monthly sub

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without being bought

austere robin
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valve is an incredibly successful company that started in much the same situation that the isle is in

covert vector
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idk what ur guys point is or if u think im attacking the game but it is quite literally a fact that the more money a game makes = the more staff it can have = the more enjoyable the game for players

barren bear
full patrol
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Because the isle is a unique game that spawned a new genre of games. Microsoft and others aren't interested in making new games. They're interested in following a formula for what they know has worked in the past. If they made the isle it's just be primal carnage 2 electric boogaloo and also we added jurassic park DLC because we want to add microtransactions

covert vector
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i agree that they shouldnt add microtransactions

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but then how do u suggest they make money

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to hire more staff

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than 10 ppl in a year

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make the game $40 instead of 20?

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like what is YOUR idea for making the game better

barren bear
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probably finishing the general content first, i.e. finishing the actual gameplay loop

full patrol
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$40 for a early access active development game is insane

austere robin
covert vector
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okay so we will swing back around this convo in 10 years when rex and trike are released

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xDDD

austere robin
barren bear
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same as it ever was

full patrol
covert vector
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how many people play

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stardew

austere robin
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you are beyond my ability to comprehend good sir

covert vector
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vs tihs

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stardew has 715k reviews

full patrol
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You didn't understand the point of what I just said at all

covert vector
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the isle has 88k

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stardew was created 5 years ago?

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same w evrima virtually

austere robin
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stardew was fully launched five years ago

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evrima has been under active development for five years

full patrol
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"A game can only be good if it has more employees"

I give you an example of a very popular game with 1 employee

covert vector
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lol

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so then explain to me wtf the devs are doing

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LOL

austere robin
full patrol
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Literally making the game

covert vector
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k

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for 5 years

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stardew was in early access for... 2?

full patrol
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Ok and?

covert vector
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maybe 1 1/2

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?

full patrol
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Google how long it took for blizzard to develop most of its recent multiplayer online games. It's going to be at least 5 years
Rockstar took 10 years to make RDR2

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The point is quality takes time

digital sleet
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oh boy I sure do wonder how long it’s taking to develop GTA6

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but they have all this money !,,, and develelepr!!!!! why not it is not release now?????!!

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big company!!!

covert vector
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if u think

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evrima is quality besides graphics

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then idk

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we are living on a different planet

full patrol
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It actually is pretty decent. Yes there are some bugs but that's expected of a active development game. Past updates have proven the devs are actively fixing bugs so I'm not worried that the current bugs won't eventually also get fixed

covert vector
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as ive said many times, great game and great potential. the reason its not a better game thats not in early access for 5 years is bc of a lack of resources

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"got killed by hackers yesterday then today game glitced and cant eat or lay down now in a 60 man queue what a dog water game if any devs are in here go learn how to make a game before launching it"

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just posted in evrima na

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xD thats all im saying bud

full patrol
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It is easier to hire more people and make faster progress with a larger team. Indie game studios don't have the luxury of being multi million dollar companies thus they must scale their business accordingly. If you scale up too fast without the resources you have no more money and thus no more game

covert vector
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i am aware of this

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but u have to think of ideas to make more money besides releasing new buggy content every 6 months

full patrol
tired hinge
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No dude, lack of resources doesn't make or break the quality of a game or there would be no good indie games/bad AAA games

covert vector
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ya its fine we arent getting anywhere w each other

tired hinge
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I know we're not cause you're talking nonsense

covert vector
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fact is, if you wanna wait years for them to develop the game thats fine

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id rather get good quality games sooner

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and pay for it

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we are arguing about something that is relative on opinion but saying the same thing

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you guys are cool with waiting for quality

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when id rather not wait

full patrol
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No I completely understand your point
You're impatient and want them to hire more devs faster so the game gets made faster cause that's how business works!
Except my point is if they scale their business faster than they're making money then that business will fail.

covert vector
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thats why

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they make more money so they arent scaling their business faster than theyre making money!

austere robin
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its almost like Criniti has said that money isnt a pressing issue and there are other factors than money cant fix that are slowing growth

covert vector
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LMAO

barren bear
covert vector
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"more devs so the game gets made faster"

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ty

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appreciate it

full patrol
covert vector
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then we agree

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more devs = game gets made faster

sacred stirrup
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This convo is still going?

austere robin
full patrol
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The points I was making and the point you're trying to "prove" are fundamentally different

Essentially...
You yelled "the sky is blue!"
When we were talking about meteorology as a whole

barren bear
covert vector
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? what

barren bear
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Brooks's law

covert vector
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no my point is as simple as u said it

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more devs = faster game gets made

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end of story

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if u guys are cool w waiting and not paying

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thats fine

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i just disagree

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so we arent gonna get anywhere

full patrol
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Man and I was out here hoping for an actual conversation, that was a waste of energy

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Of course more people working on a project can make it go faster
That wasn't the point of any of this

covert vector
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that was my point

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hence why it didnt get anywhere

austere robin
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i dont think there was a point, this conversation felt as dull as a sphere

covert vector
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u didnt understand what i was trying to say lol

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so if u agree with that then why did u disagree with more money not helping that issue? xDDD

full patrol
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We were attempting to talk about a deeper subject than "make more money make game faster" because generally in life there's more to it than simply throwing more money into the pit

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The point you were making was very shallow while we were trying to go into deeper nuance

covert vector
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i mean, again, if u agree that the game making more money = more people working on the game = game gets made faster

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then i have no idea what a "deeper nuance" is

austere robin
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i noticed

covert vector
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everyone calling me dumb and saying idk anything xD

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for what

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literally just cant understand what im talking ab

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henry the helpful warlock over here

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still on that side of things

full patrol
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The fact that you can't recognize that's there's more to running a business than "make money go fast" and that you haven't come up with any thoughtful input aside from that they should make the isle a subscription service as a active development game proves exactly the extent of your knowledge on the topic

covert vector
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sigh

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we are backtracking

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over it

full patrol
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I'm not calling you dumb, I think you just have more to learn about business in general

covert vector
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u have an MBA?

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xD

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im literally just making a suggestion

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bc im impatient

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theres nothing wrong w that

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u disagree and thats fine

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but yes, business is all ab making money

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my friend

full patrol
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And as I said, they are making money just fine. And as you've stated it's just not fast enough for you. And as we stated, that's just what their pace is at their current level

covert vector
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correct.

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im making suggestions for making more money

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so again, we agree but disagree on what they should do

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totally fine

full patrol
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And we disagreed and you said we clearly know nothing about business

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That's where the issue was it seems

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When the actual issue is that we have different perspectives

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On how a successful business is run

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When the correct answer is there are multiple successful business strategies šŸŽ‰

austere robin
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the good ending

covert vector
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yes, but u dont learn in college or in the world that steady growth is good for business šŸ™‚ hence why it rarely works out

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making the most money = king

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UNFORTUNATELY

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but its the way it is

wide saffron
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This has been a very roundabout conversation

covert vector
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yes in which u guys threw insults and said i was dumb while having no idea what im talking abt šŸ™‚

full patrol
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You did the same saying we don't know what we're talking about
No need to point fingers when everyone is guilty

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I would like to clarify at No point did I call you dumb

tired hinge
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it was me, I did that.

covert vector
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i mean, i think saying u dont know anything about business was true in the matter, bc u were disagreeing with what i was saying

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when u didnt understand what i was saying

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so now u do and agree

tired hinge
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and I stand by it TI_DiloSip

full patrol
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No I understood what you were saying the whole time. I thought you had a different point you were trying to make

tired hinge
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anyway im hitting my head against a wall until i fall asleep, have a good one yall

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lets see if this conversation is still at the same point when I wake up tomorrow

full patrol
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If I had known from the start it was going to boil down to "make the game faster because I'm impatient" I wouldn't have participated

full patrol
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Night

covert vector
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but... u were saying what i was suggesting wouldnt work when it would...

wide saffron
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Nite yeet

covert vector
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and u said it would...

full patrol
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Because a subscription service for an unfinished game in active development ontop of doubling the price is a terrible idea (no offense)

covert vector
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i didnt say do both first of all

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i said if not a sub then what and suggested something else

full patrol
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I've been playing this game since 2016 and I can guarentee if it was $40 and/or a subscription service I wouldn't have even thought about buying it. Would have hard passed

covert vector
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thats you, im sure a lot of people have also bought it and refunded it bc its so buggy its not worth their $20

full patrol
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Subscription services can be predatory. And putting one on an unfinished game is a huge red flag

covert vector
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it depends on the person, hence this is relative

austere robin
covert vector
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again, to that i say look at the millions of ppl who play WoW

full patrol
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And the circle repeats

covert vector
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yes

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im someone who could easily afford $5 a month and i understand a lot of ppl cant

full patrol
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I understand what you're suggesting and I'm giving my opinion back that I think it's a bad idea

covert vector
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but it is in fact a move that would make the business grow and make the game better so people feel its worth paying $5 a month to play

full patrol
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Guess what I also don't play: WoW

covert vector
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neither do i

full patrol
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Millions of people also don't play wow because it's a sub service

wide saffron
covert vector
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no millions of people play wow bc its a great game

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that is worth the sub

full patrol
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You should talk about this with @jagged wren I feel like it would be a great time

austere robin
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OH MY GOD YOU'RE A GENIUS

zinc cape
jagged wren
jagged wren
young gale
wintry marlin
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Fish

full patrol
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Harlequin rasboras PogBlue

neat basalt
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dont mind me

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currently just raging

young gale
austere robin
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aka: fish

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very cool looking fish

naive apex
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fish mentioned

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they cant stop cooking guys

stiff meteor
elder meadow
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Docked tail and ears?

stiff meteor
# elder meadow Docked tail and ears?

Yes. Breeders sell them with cropped ears and a docked tail in America. The breeders in the U.S. that sell them with floppy ears and a long tail are only backyard breeders and puppy mills. A floppy eared doberman is a bad sign in the USA

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The reputable breeders here will only send a doberman puppy home with its ears and tail already done. Usually at 12 weeks old. It will clearly say "non-negotiable" or "no exceptions" to that rule. It's the breed standard here. Byb and puppy mills don't sell long tailed or floppy eared dobermans because they'd have to pay a vet to do it and it cuts into their profits

elder meadow
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That's awful. Poor doggos

stiff meteor
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It's fairly painless actually. Flint didn't notice or care when his were done. Acted like a normal energetic pup.

The tails are done before the nerves develop. They never feel it.

elder meadow
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I guess, but I still find it odd (of the standard, that is)

stiff meteor
# elder meadow I guess, but I still find it odd (of the standard, that is)

Ah yeah. That's how dobermans were originally created. The tails were docked and the ears were cropped because a long tail and floppy ears were hand holds for human and animal attackers. The doberman was originally created in Germany to be a tax collector's dog. When he would go to the sketchy parts of town to collect taxes, carrying large amounts of money, he kept dobermans to protect him. So he wanted the dogs to have the best chance possible of defending against robbers. No ears and no tail was for defense.

The standard has been dropped in Europe, now they tape the ears down to get it to frame the face nicely like a lab's (doberman ears are not naturally perfectly floppy, they go outward and down and look weird).

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U.S. breeders just kept that look to preserve its origins. And very few Americans know dobermans have floppy ears and long tails. They look at them and say "nice coon hound. He's skinny though. Feed him more."

A cropped/docked doberman is a better deterrent here.

elder meadow
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They do look very devilish, which I can appreciate. Too bad that's probably a little difficult to breed in as natural

full patrol
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man i should have submitted my dog shes such a cutie

elder meadow
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And she knows it

stiff meteor
full patrol
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Nah that's alright, she's not a fan of strangers and strange places. If she somehow won I wouldn't want to put her through any of that

craggy raven
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Fishes mentioned

brittle siren
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@limber grove Basically the majority of the big nullsec alliances decided it was time to destroy Goonswarm once and for all, and all banded together to form the PAPI coalition, spearheaded by PanFam and TAPI. I joined KarmaFleet in the middle of this, and was there for the tail end of the big M2 fight where PAPI lost a ton of titans.

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They got us all the way down to our 1DQ sphere of influence

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Then one of the adjacent systems became the hotspot, as they kept trying to anchor structures to serve as the staging ground. The closer PAPI got to 1DQ though, the closer our warchest was, and the harder it became to keep up with the war of attrition.

nocturne basalt
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Nullsec = Player owned space
Goonswam = the bad guys (can you guess what side im on lmao)
Papi = alliance name
Panfam and TAPI = same
Karma flee = idk
M2 fight = system name
titan = biggest ship in game
1dq = likely system name

brittle siren
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Soon after this, victory was declared by PAPI, and the invasion force largely disbanded, and the Swarm took back a lot of territory

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KarmaFleet is the principal group in Goonswarm now

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I tried to be as unbiased as possible in this account lol

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I didn;t want to keep paying for a sub, so I quit once things settled down

nocturne basalt
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fairs. personally i wasnt really in the fighting. just watching from the outside. im not much of a fleet guy

limber grove
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absolutely fascinating

brittle siren
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It was wild

nocturne basalt
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should look up. what is it. red october? bloodbath of october. something like that

brittle siren
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They employ a function called "time-dilation" when the big fights happen, so they end up taking hours

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uhhhh

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IDK

nocturne basalt
#

oh gosh yeah.. no. lmao

#

The Battle of B-R5RB or the Bloodbath of B-R5RB ( ) was a massive-scale virtual battle fought in the MMORPG space game Eve Online in January 2014 (YC 116 in-game), possibly the largest player-versus-player battle in gaming history at the time. The 21-hour-long conflict pitted the Clusterfuck Coalition and Russian alliances (CFC/Rus) against the ...

brittle siren
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Not that one

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The battle of M2-XFE or whatever

nocturne basalt
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$418,952 in 2023 worth of ships was lost in this fight. and ye i know they dif things

brittle siren
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Was bigger

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oh OK

brittle siren
hallow parrot
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A few years ago, explorer Alvaro Cerezo (Docastaway) befriended a Crab-Eating Macaque while surviving on a remote island in Southeast Asia.

One day while Alvaro was hunting for fish in the coral reef using his speargun, he was surprised by the approaching of quite a brave monkey who was swimming too. The monkey held onto Alvaro as a flotation ...

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flat mesa
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Just wondering if mods or plugin are supported and if so which website is recommended

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woeful ice
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Windows has two toolbar icons on top of eachother. Windowsgore?

austere robin
finite fog
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Older Spiro Omnis: We're the real

lilac venture
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Found a little poor injured bee on a fence post I grabbed at Home Depot TI_Succ

slow hazel
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Lmfao

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Classic Saoulzod

mortal echo
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Ok chat.

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So let's say

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you have a dino game.

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Right?

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It has rex and quetz in it.

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And the rex costs like 50000 points.

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Do you make the quetz cheaper than that because of how weak it is or do you make it double the price/lock it behind a paywall because it has super OP abilities?

rustic badger
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Pretty sure it'd be better to just ask this in PE server, but paywalling stuff just sounds like a horrible idea

austere robin
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hunting two stegos

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one was small

tight plover
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though your presence was making us very uneasy

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we lost Mowser and needed to keep the body guarded until he got back

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so we were watching you like a hawk

austere robin
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i love watching things from low in trees specifically because it makes people paranoid

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also, when one of you pounced me, i nearly threw my mouse off my desk from the jumpscare. i had thought you left

cedar crescent
jagged wren
pseudo sonnet
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I'm slowly building a 40k death guard. Yippee!

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First guy

primal cypress
#

So can anyone help me with the isle I want to play it but I never owned a gaming PC and don't know what to look to be able to play the isle I do have a monitor and PC I think will work for the isle but I would like if someone who knows a lot about PC to confirm before I buy?

lone star
primal cypress
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Here what I saved but I'm unsure about if it will work

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Yeah I couldn't build my own PC I looked into and it not something I can do unfortunately

lone star
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Yeah, it takes dedication and is extremely stressful the first time

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I understand there

primal cypress
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Both of those are 1100$ together

lone star
#

Looking at the GPU and what not, it should be able to run the isle

You’ll probably still need to troubleshoot because it’s a game in beta but afterwards you’d get decent frames

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My 2060 laptop could run it, so yours should do fine

primal cypress
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I never own a PC so idk what all the stuff means I been a console person and I know nobody that has a PC so I was struggling

lone star
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Ah, yeah it’s confusing at first lol

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One thing I would do when you first get it in is make sure everything is properly plugged in, prebuilts can get shaken up in the mail and unplug a tad

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That’s as easy as gently pushing in wires and the gpu (which is the part with rectangular block with fans)

primal cypress
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Yeah that why Imma add a protection plan on both just in case I would love to build my own PC bc they just look nicer and u can get creative but it not something I think I be able to do since I'm just starting on PC

lone star
#

Understandable! For whenever you do decide to build a pc, the website Pc Part Picker helped me a lot, it helped me find pieces that are suitable for one another and won’t conflict

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Then YouTube has a ton of handy videos telling you how to do everything

primal cypress
#

I'm glad that this setup will run the isle I been playing path of titans but I really wanted to play the isle too since I been watching others play it since it came out was hoping it come to console but it never did

lone star
#

Btw, I almost can 100% guarantee that you will likely run into some error when first launching the game

There’s a few, some require updating drivers and some say ā€œeasy anti cheat not installedā€ and what not

Whenever that happens, post your issue in #šŸ”§-evrima-troubleshooting-šŸ”§ and someone can help, that or read the pins in that channel

(But a tip for the second one with the easy anti cheat issue, launching vr chat once worked to fix it for me)

primal cypress
#

Okay thank u for the help

lone star
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ofc! anytime <3

earnest portal
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The CPU I mean

austere robin
rigid sand
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Guess who was confirmed for wilds?

rustic badger
#

Would be funny if its just immune to Rey dau's Big Raygun attack cuz Rubber

void zinc
#

Stop being crunchy and I'll stop chomping.

primal cypress
tired hinge
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I just did sth terrible...

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||I redownloaded League||

rustic badger
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heh, its fun as long as you don't take stuff too seriously

tired hinge
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thats sorta why I did it, cause I have lots of fun watching league vids but when I tried it ten years ago I took ingame chat too srs so it really wasnt fun for me especially cause i'm real bad at it

delicate marsh
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we eatin good tonight

pseudo sonnet
pseudo sonnet
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Built this guy last night also, Biologus Putrifier

cedar rain
#

Primitive war dispatches volume 2

earnest solar
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that is awsome

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thats so sick

tired hinge
pseudo sonnet
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Nice! I'm a support main and I've become obsessed with off-meta supports

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Like aurora, viktor, tf, kog'maw

mental depot
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Hey whepevr deleted that I was serious and I was trying to vent

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😐

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Holy English

wintry matrix
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The last few moments before my water puppy swallowed his victim alive

sullen merlin
wintry matrix
austere robin
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i recognize something about that type of turtle, but i cant quite fully realize where i remember it from or what kind it is

austere robin
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its a wonderful turtle

leaden sable
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TI_Troll šŸ‘

zinc cape
earnest portal
hallow parrot
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Grey Crowned Cranes, right image is a real one, left is ai

spice gyro
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Wild

hallow parrot
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sadly the hadeda ibis's first image is an AI render

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looks a pigeonified ibis

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to be fair to the AI....

ornate flare
#

<@&401466542140817419>

Hi, my little sister got a new discord account and wants to join the server but she’s unable to because she believes she’s been IP banned? Her new discord username is saltyrotisserie700 Her old username is .bjorn9000

I’m happy to provide more info if needed.

limber grove
ornate flare
rough hollow
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im planning on buying Path of Titans coz yk, ANOTHER DINOSAUR GAME, but before i do could someone tell me how their server system works?

cedar crescent
rough hollow
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thank you

tall sluice
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@rocky charm u stink

long egret
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@loud phoenix u smell so good

loud phoenix
vast notch
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@fallow grove You ever tried Draconis Expanse

fallow grove
vast notch
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It seems interesting

fallow grove
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The SE server?

vast notch
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Yeah

fallow grove
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I tend to play on the Lunar Colony server

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(when it's running)

vast notch
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This one is like

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main thruster drives pointed only in forward

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It has some interesting stuff

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Some is a bit confusing though

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I saw it and thought it was cool as a design heavy server

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I tried vanilla servers for se and they just arent interesting enough

fallow grove
#

Wait I think i've seen that one. Based on The Expanse right?

vast notch
#

Yeah

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Never read that

vast notch
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But it looks really cool

hexed berry
#

Off topic question to the devs, do you guys ever look for new animators or members of the team?

rustic badger
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Most devs just don't join the discord

hexed berry
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Nice man, would love perhaps a channel where they could post it in the future. Would love to apply and be apart of the team

rustic badger
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They have a linkedin if you wanna check it out

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Ah, it was in 2023 not 2024 mb. They posted it on twitter

hexed berry
#

Thanks man. Yea seeing as it was in 23 I doubt there will be opening anytime soon but who knows hey

rustic badger
#

iirc kissen(Producer and Animator) did say they still wanted to expand the animation team, so best to keep an eye out for things

hexed berry
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Thanks man appreciate it

austere robin
#

since when did Rump become an OSA? thats cool

cedar crescent
austere robin
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i just found out that youtube highlights the like button when it detects someone in the video say something about liking, thats new

paper wraith
#

.

formal quarry
austere robin
rough hollow
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found these clips of me acting like a horrible person back when pteranodons were a plague

neat basalt
#

@digital sleet

digital sleet
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DONT tag me IM borderlanding 2

unreal pier
void zinc
young gale
austere robin
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i had to physically stuff a bunched up ziptie into my chair to fix the arm rest but it worked at least

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wait

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wrong server, itll be fine right?

tight plover
#

@rough hollow if an artist puts a watermark over something, that means its not available for use, its put there explicitly so you don't use it

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to promote themself, or for fun, to share, etc

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@rough hollow some artists as they gain a bigger following will do that if they notice many people using their art without permission, or reposting it and pretending to be them

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a lot of Fred's work doesn't have watermarks on it, it may be because that art was made specifically for someone else as a commission. i'm just guessing though, maybe its something he made for a specific copyrighted purpose that isn't disclosed, or he spent a lot of time on it and is making sure it doesn't get reposted

he's one of the best dinosaur illustrators out there, so he has to do certain things to protect his work

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he works on this game too lol

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he designed Allo

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yeah allo as we know it in the game looks like that because that's how Fred drew it, yeah

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yep

limber grove
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Fred never misses ngl

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His Artstation is a treat

tight plover
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maybe! he's not really active in the discord as far as i can tell, maybe he does lurk every once in a while

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i try to glaze him up at every opportunity, he's incredibly inspiring

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he always goes hard

novel thicket
#

Does anyone remember an old mobile game in 2011 - 2014 about a shark vs octopuses?

The game is about a huge octopus kidnapped one of the shark's friends "I guess it was a swordfish" and you have an orca friend where you need to defeat the evil octopuses as boss fights to get your friend back. The game is 2D "not pixelated" with a cartoonish graphics similar to shark dash and hungry shark and there are many stages in the game every stage I guess has a special giant octopus boss fight in the end of the stage. Please someone figures the game name for me I'm tired of looking

last stirrup
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How do I make a ticket?

limber grove
last stirrup
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I need to get in contact with a admin, if that's possible?

limber grove
#

Do you need help with something in game or in discord? Since I can help with the latter!

last stirrup
#

Would it be possible for you to dm a friend in regards of discord?

limber grove
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Yup! You can dm me their username

last stirrup
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Sent, thank you!

shell bone
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Okay so machine girl

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I went and saw them live recently and the performance was so. fun. very cathartic oh my god

cedar crescent
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im gonna get to see the vaccines later this month Pepe

coral zealot
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ill just set this here

austere robin
#

this will have unforeseen consequences on me, wont it?

full patrol
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BEN

woven breach
#

Get a Wonderful Person Tee: https://teespring.com/stores/whatdamath
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marsh sparrow
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Dead chat, anyway I was in one of OwLTime's Allosaurus videos

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1:53 to 2:45

unreal pier
green bison
simple jackal
viscid flicker
digital sleet
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the hell kind of scam video is this

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I ain’t clicking that

austere robin
#

getting a good desk fan was probably the best investment of money ive ever made

viscid flicker
elfin flare
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Ey yo I love Tolkien lore but now I'm forever brainrotted by Dinosaur video game that this shit's silly out of context

austere robin
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@coral zealot hes still there lmao

viscid flicker
brave gust
#

Hello was wondering if anyone that likes to read would be willing to give me feedback on a dinosaur series and webcomic I'm working on?

Both are free to read. Let me know, can offer past reviews from the current fan base if desired. ā˜ŗļø

mortal echo
coral zealot
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he should be the wallpaper

hollow canyon
#

After my first night as a herra, leaping around the world like a prehistoric drop bear, all I could think of was this haha TI_HerraHowdy

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I can't wait to play more and learn all there is to know about these funky little tree huggers! šŸ’š

uneven wraith
#

@heavy temple I only have a single magic deck left, Zurgo Helmsmasher land destruction

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it's ridiculous TI_LUL

heavy temple
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I've made several and gifted most to my friends, also we aren't allowed to be friends anymore, as someone who also does land destruction

uneven wraith
#

Well I used to have a ton of commander decks
My goal was to have one of each possible color combination, for a total of 32

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But then I lost my job and I sold off nearly every card worth more than $3 to pay rent and buy food

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and somehow Zurgo survived the purge, I think it was in my backpack or something

heavy temple
#

Nice, you think you'll ever get back into it?

uneven wraith
#

probably not, I don't like the direction the company is going in

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profits over quality

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also it was just straight up an addiction for me, and for many others

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it's basically gambling, opening packs

heavy temple
#

I have an addiction to eldrazi specifically, and I have almost all those, and I wanna make an indominous rex deck, but I don't do packs, I know what I buy

uneven wraith
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Having worked at a large card store for years, I can say singles are easily the most cost-effective option

heavy temple
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It only took me two packs of absolutely nothing before figuring it otu

uneven wraith
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I think if you buy packs, buy them for the experience of buying a pack

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but I've seen teenagers chase some rare card from this or that set, they never open it

slow hazel
#

@analog smelt is AMD's hardware encoding good? Or did you even try it? Because I do videos and streams so it's an actual point that can decide if I stay nvidia or not, cuz Nvidia's encoding is hella good.

analog smelt
marsh sparrow
winged needle
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originally i wanted to do mosa with bubbles and like one of the bubbles kinda magnifying a distorted megalodon with mouth open

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bubble right in the center with lil bubbles sprouting round from movement of tail but ya, too distanced too thin torso

cedar crescent
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<@&933486433342222376>

mellow zodiac
austere robin
mellow zodiac
young gale
#

Am i cooked chat

hot pecan
#

Yo its the strongest pokemon!

young gale
haughty mortar
#

I can’t access the beast of Bermuda server not sure why and was hoping someone here could answer but why is there only official east servers and no wests

sturdy imp
#

aksiomari bases i bought, and some sillies

pitbull ahh carno and east african striped hyena rex

marsh sparrow
cedar crescent
cedar crescent
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wait theres a gif for it

#

we're so back

marsh sparrow
#

I don't mean to brag (I do), and I don't mean to make you jealous (I do), but I've been in an OwLTime video for over a minute

marsh sparrow
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You lot gonna scroll past without sayin' "YERBETGETYERARRSSEOFFTHEGRASSTHERPUNKEHIDOWHATWANNADO."?

marsh sparrow
primal cypress
#

Anyone else get played with when it comes to their pay stubs like they sent the check to my bank but it's pending like why u play with my feelings like this 😭

neat basalt
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i feel like maybe you should send this to a server admin and not send it here lol

#

also which server was that lol

hard plank
#

its NA2 west

neat basalt
#

which... i mean you gotta be pretty stupid to make it that easy

lone star
#

I believe you can report behaviour such as this to admins directly,

It is likely better to do that since there are rules set in place to not expose player users and what not

vapid charm
#

<@&505047238674874368> several discords are reporting a breach.

I took screenshots of them and will dm for you to look over.

rustic badger
rocky zinc
#

bruh

limber grove
earnest solar
#

Any thoughts?

full patrol
#

Ai?

rigid sand
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WOOOOOO GRAVIOS IS COMING BACK YYEEAHHHHHH.

The Wilds roster is so far incredible. I need this game right now

surreal nacelle
rigid sand
wintry marlin
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February can’t come sooner…

surreal nacelle
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As much as I want to play, Ill probably not.

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I wanna go in super spoiler free

wintry marlin
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Fair enough, i already played the original beta so i might not do this one- even tho it’s probably way better

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All I know is, wilds will definitely be my game of the year

digital sleet
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so people may get ā€œyour account has been breachedā€ when in fact it hasn’t, and it’s an attempt at stealing their account by phishing

void zinc
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Yeah, I saw.

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Just some normal bullshit.

hallow parrot
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i am very annoyed, i found something that would let me make my own drape trousers, but i lost the pattern/template on how to make it

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and i cant find it

sullen merlin
soft lily
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||I will forgive gravios if they make the fight fun||

hot pecan
hallow parrot
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i made progress i guess, but i still dont know how to fiddlee dee

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i know its a 2 piece thing, but augh

stoic vale
sullen merlin
hallow parrot
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pantaloons

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pants

sullen merlin
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Just wear pants with a hoodie wrapped around your waiste its pretty much the same

sullen merlin
sullen merlin
shell rapids
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my favourite game got a new mod that adds elephants

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feeling: yippie!!

sullen merlin
shell rapids
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mammoths are elephants yah dingus

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elephantidae

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Mammoths are more closely related to asian elephants than african elephants

modest isle
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New Islecord Emojis

TI_DibbleSleep TI_DryoOSHA TI_DryoFix TI_Austrant_L TI_Austrant_R

rustic badger
shell rapids
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Yk, i stand by my hate for path of titans, but i love that the playable cube mod actually became a reality

modest isle
shell rapids
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Massage

modest isle
wintry marlin
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Damn

wintry marlin
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I think I had like uh 500 max in 2024 I think

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(Lies)

magic portal
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@pearl swan

pearl swan
# magic portal <@875112149360451584>

listening to it rn and it sounds damn cool ngl

is there anything regarding what the game actually is/its lore? the name tartarus is interesting and making me curious if tartarus really plays a big part

magic portal
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I'd have to search but if I find it I'll send it to you

pearl swan
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what is it u talking about?

magic portal
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I had to switch from a laptop to pc and it might have been left on the laptop

pearl swan
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that sucks lol

magic portal
pearl swan
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woah thats awesome!

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im so sure hacker or isaac talked about how cool this would be for isle Gen2 lore

really good u got that, and maybe those codes/locks for files would be obtained by finding them in places or progressing through knowing the lore?

magic portal
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well I only have video of how it works

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but the actual file is on my laptop probably

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the text was a test or smth

untold flare
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Hello, I need help. When I launch The Isle during the loading screen, it suddenly freezes and I can't play. Does anyone know how to fix this? Please help 😦

pearl swan
untold flare
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okey thanks

pearl swan
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yw

pearl swan
magic portal
hallow parrot
rustic badger
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Islecord has massages?

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We should let a stego do sleepy's next massage.

mortal echo
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minecraft?

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WhateveritisIneeditnow.

earnest solar
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Looks awsome

shell rapids
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Vintage story

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Sorta like minecraft but with much more depth in the survival department, along with lore/story to discover and horror elements

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Early access with alot of contemt and supposedly much more to come

earnest solar
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That’s actually really cool

shell rapids
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Genuinely my favourite game

earnest solar
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Does it have multiplayer rn

shell rapids
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Its main turn off tho, is it is a very slow progression

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Yes, you can buy a server off the website

earnest solar
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As bad as the isle tho

shell rapids
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Something like crops can take like, 2 in game months (default 9 in game days, 7.2 real hours)

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Or animal domestication which takes even longer

earnest solar
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Holy cow

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How far are you in that game

shell rapids
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I reccomened trying it out. The refund policy is very lenient if you dont end up liking it

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Ive never domesticated any animals, but ive reached iron age on singleplayer a few times

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(Making iron plate armor is more of am achievement than it sounds)

earnest solar
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If domestication is longer than 7 hours I can’t imagine how long smelting would take

shell rapids
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Muxh less time, domestication is mesmt tp happen over generations

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Its real domestication, not lile taming in minecraft

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They also recently released the update that adds the first mount

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A tamed elk you (for now) buy from traders that spawn

austere robin
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a good friend of mine is drawing this but as John Cake and i couldnt be happier

hallow parrot
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šŸ™

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i want to see sb

young gale
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Got my plants planted

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Also got red root floaters at the top

wintry matrix
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Tiktok ban came early lmao

austere robin
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before anyone says anything about it, he made this specifically to be posted here by me because he doesnt want to join this server (he thinks we're weird)

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i DID NOT make this, nor will i claim to have

hallow parrot
austere robin
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dont worry, he is well aware

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i tell him how weird he is every day

hallow parrot
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gud

marsh sparrow
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YOUR OPINION IS DEAD TO ME
1998 Godzilla > Godzilla Ultima

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1998 Godzilla >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Godzilla In Hell

mellow zodiac
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taking a break from the isle but still surrounded by dinos! check out my pc light guns!

austere robin
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i need to get one of those

vast vine
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Support the young artist, a new track will be released in TGC soon: andrewmusicc

mellow zodiac
uneven wraith
austere robin
mellow zodiac
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for me id say mid price is 300$ thats what I paid for 2 guns and all the needed sensors etc. the most expensive I've seen is 900$ for just 1 gun

austere robin
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thats about what i expected, cool! thanks

mellow zodiac
austere robin
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ill keep that in mind

lean vale
limber star
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i like how the tiktok ban was. 14 hours long lmao

void zinc
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Yeah, anyone following basic American news knew it was gonna happen like that too. lol

young gale
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yay

ashen sleet
coarse niche
spice gyro
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Augustus

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And before soaul says to eat it, these lizards do in fact do pushups

digital sleet
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el geck