offtopic-discussion

[wintry marlin]

It does, maybe it’ll get me to buy the game

[slow hazel]

Is this a mod?

[shell rapids]

No, official teaser for beast of bermuda

[slow hazel]

Looks sick af

[dense field]

Yutyrannus my beloved

[wintry marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/유티라누스-gif-17216535775482138084

They have modded both of my fav Dino’s and both of them look accurate, same with jwe2 actually

[dense field]

Yuty looks absolutely amazing

in PoT

[wintry marlin]

Yeah

[wintry marlin]

Steal

[smoky mauve]

I hear people who play this game like to say rock and stone

[wintry marlin]

ROCK AND STONE!!!!!!!!!

[thin fjord]

Do you guys have problems with epic games launcher

I deleted it
And am trying to install it again but it says that it's running

[azure oar]

SEAL?!?!!- oh

[silver drum]

not just rex, I'd say that most dinosaurs they do are the best in games

Giganotosaurus is absolutely amazing, Maip is a work of art, the new Utahraptor is completely outstanding

[jagged wren]

@dense field https://youtu.be/D37xq7suddM omg HD2 has lego star wars 3 stuff!!

[rough hollow]

any1 wanna play helldivers

[lilac venture]

The most delicious thing on the planet 🤤

[distant nymph]

Dark chocolate D:

[lilac venture]

Hater

It’s semi sweet not actually dark lol it’s low %

It’s got a thin wafer layer under the outside layer of choc then the smooth creamy inside mmmmm

It’s a whole party in ya mouth

[limber grove]

oooo ive never had those but i love ferrero rochers

love me some dark chocolate

[lilac venture]

Me either I saw them and needed to try def worth

So delicious

[dense field]

Ladies and gentlemen

Boys and gals

I hereby present you

The deal of your life. (if you didn't take it before)

[dense field]

Also this.

[willow stump]

is there anyone else having a conexion problem when trying to log into the Evrima servers?

I just bought the game today

[merry trellis]

Come back bro

[wraith hemlock]

Where would a good starting spot be for carno? I’m new and I can’t seem to find a good starting spot

[shell rapids]

On the notez I think, I might try learning greatsword, it's mostly timing yea? I think I can manage

[slow hazel]

Gs is the easiest weapon yeah.

[shell rapids]

Eh, easiest is a wierd thing with me, I honestly find charge blade easier than basically anything else

I, struggle with simple weapons, idk why

[slow hazel]

Charge blade and its mechanics supposed to be one of the most complex weapon in the game. So if you don't struggle with it at all i dont see how you will struggle with a GS

Which again the most basic and simple weapon possible

[wintry marlin]

Now this. This is epic

[spice gyro]

The game of time

[full patrol]

Imagine having a virtual planted tank with boesemani rainbow fish when you could have it irl

I'm lazy so i just put a sword in the middle of a 10gal and called it a day

also once upon a time in my 7gal shrimp cube

[north tangle]

Was so happy for a second

[vernal monolith]

Feebsh! I also keep fish, they're such entertaining lil guys

[vagrant horizon]

anything better than the isle as of late lmao

[distant nymph]

<@&933486433342222376> >.<

Thanks!

[tame python]

man I miss keeping fishies. this looks lovely!!

[gusty elm]

@sharp mantle my shelf is lovely

[sharp mantle]

burn the furbys with fire

vile things

[tepid jay]

you're worried about the furbys, im worried about the severed doll head

[gusty elm]

😦 theyre my friends

[rough hollow]

I like

[rough hollow]

guys

quick question

best the isle game alternative that has almost low graphics requeriments?

in steam

[spice gyro]

#gateway-screenshots message @median hound wonderful screenshots! I love that bay area

[keen yew]

Welp, just got dumped.

How is everyone

[toxic tusk]

Hah, just had a fun little 30 mins. Migrating from Northend Pool to Swamps, had a quick convo with other gators. 5 minutes later, I'm eatin fish and a little Ptera flies overhead lookin a little hungry. Sit down, drop a big fish, and we just chill for a few minutes while he eats and drinks and I regen stamina. On the way to the swamp, bump into the funni bird a few times and we have lunch again before I finally log off

I like the birds

[cedar crescent]

Keep your head up king, you dropped this 👑

[keen yew]

Tryin my best.

[willow knot]

i just hope the animations are just as good

[digital sleet]

@limber star @barren bear thoughts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxC-m0B-E_I

[limber star]

antsantsantsantsantsantsantsants

https://youtu.be/1aBzqu3vSyg?si=HfphKickgzLj6bw8

[full patrol]

@digital sleet @limber star @barren bear
AntsCanada on youtube 👀
https://youtube.com/@AntsCanada?si=54C-SgOHgw3RV_1M

[digital sleet]

yeahnah i dont like him

overtime, hes slowly turned less and less from an actual "ants-for-pets" person and more of a "anything-for-views" person

[junior sun]

sorry to bud in on the conversation but i stopped watching that guy for that exact same reason, he had good videos up until a few years ago and i stopped watching

[digital sleet]

yeah, i stopped watching him years ago

[full patrol]

I like the giant vivarium thing he's doing. I haven't watched his videos much for the last couple years

@digital sleet

[digital sleet]

yeag i saw the video thumbnail and title about it

which is cool and all

but uh

making your colonies fight eachother isnt very ethical

[full patrol]

It's not on purpose, there were crazy ants in the log that he put in and he didn't know

But imo to prevent that he should have heat treated all the wood and stuff before putting it in like you're supposed to

Why isn't reply working
@digital sleet

[digital sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-national-geographic-secrets-of-the-zoo-down-under-whats-a-sheltopusik-what-was-that-gif-24912251

[full patrol]

Get pinged nerd

[barren bear]

ANT!!

[whole raptor]

😰 ?

[gusty elm]

C:

[whole raptor]

scary mf

[gusty elm]

mic up

come play this silly game with me and plague

[whole raptor]

Next time. I've had enough of the game for a while LOL

[gusty elm]

not the isle kid

[whole raptor]

😰 ??????????????????????????????

[gusty elm]

Furby

[whole raptor]

actually goes hard nice

[keen yew]

https://youtu.be/7yS197grGCw?si=YwbFbV4XOPlh_H1N

[spice gyro]

@spare comet #gateway-screenshots message those are some awesome screenshots!

@thick remnant #gateway-screenshots message really nice screenshot!

[wintry marlin]

You are the screenshot person

[spice gyro]

I sure am

54 yesterday

[wintry marlin]

You should get your own role

[spice gyro]

lol

[wintry marlin]

Why did it automatically mark it as a spoiler

[jagged wren]

what game?

[spice gyro]

Cause it was copied from initially being one

[wintry marlin]

Definitely pot of titans maybe probably

Oh yeah it’s pot

[fallen creek]

left one is a w.i.p and my most recent work its a sub compact.

[woven breach]

Looks pretty good to me! If you want better feedback on the models you create though always turn wired on shaded on. Because edge flow is super important for modeling so you are not over inflating the polycount unnecessarily. In gaming and in the industry overall you want to try to do the most with the least. Because poly budgets (although not as much of a concern as back in the day) are real and need to be respected. Hard surface modeling makes that process much easier since generally you're working with more linear shapes that don't need to bend or fold. But with certain hard surfaces models there are still rounded corners and surfaces that will demand more geo to sell the shape/look.

[fallen creek]

[woven breach]

Keep up the good work. Take time to learn new techniques and keep on modeling!

[fallen creek]

ty bro

i am tryin a new workflow rn

with zbrush live booleans ect

so jus tryna get the basic workflow in

[spice gyro]

@glossy elm #gateway-screenshots message nice spooky ptera screenshot!

[keen yew]

PoT modded.

[jagged wren]

its called SPOILER_ so i guess it does that

[hallow parrot]

Texel Sheep are literally the Tibeten Foxes of Sheep

[gusty elm]

I fell asleep on floor for three hours

[hallow parrot]

relatable

[cedar crescent]

why is tekken 8 hard

[rigid sand]

First catch of 2024 LETS GOOOOOO

[icy acorn]

aye, could anyone help me with a problem im having, i just downloaded the game

[spice gyro]

nice

[icy acorn]

lol nah, i try to host a private game so i can just play and try it out and it just sits on a black screen

[limber grove]

Hosting is broken, and you're on the outdated legacy version. The game is being remade and is publically available as a beta branch

[icy acorn]

oh. so i cant just play single player?

thank you

[limber grove]

You could technically play singleplayer by joining a server with no other players, but it's not a supported gamemode or anything

[rigid sand]

I caught 4 bass and somehow a clam too

[spice gyro]

lol

[ocean bay]

does anybody have the video of the duck dancing with the people of isle discussion in it?

[digital sleet]

no but I got this

hang on it’s taking forever to load

[digital sleet]

there we go

[ocean bay]

thank you!!

[ocean bay]

what the heck lmao

[spice gyro]

@jolly mango #gateway-screenshots message really nice screenshots!

[jolly mango]

Thanks, Appreciated

[spice gyro]

Np

[rough hollow]

Well guys

The time of the offer is ending

So I have two clear options right now

The Isle or Saurian

[civic goblet]

Someone name a random dino, any dino. Im bored and wanna draw a dino

[digital sleet]

megalania

but give it a really, really long neck

[civic goblet]

Idk if thats a dino

[digital sleet]

[digital sleet]

dont think i basked (in the sun) bro

[civic goblet]

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1044055069915615353/7D3C5497-61FD-47F7-90ED-A618C0C05203.jpg?ex=65f7928e&is=65e51d8e&hm=bcf27d3060f294edcaba3d27f1c66de7c7bd26662c1811ef54788c8094e6b94a&

[barren bear]

hello 2022 and 2021

[civic goblet]

thats just a Komodo Dragon

but sure

ill draw a Megalania, I like big lizards

might make an oc out of it

[digital sleet]

i love you

https://tenor.com/view/life-on-our-planet-komodo-dragon-lizard-licking-lips-saliva-gif-18173023700186752288

[civic goblet]

I have a feeling your fave extinct reptile is a Megalania

[digital sleet]

fact checked by a true megalania

[civic goblet]

who wouldent like Megalania's

they are amazing

doubt they would add them to Evirma doe

[digital sleet]

you are wrong
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1027342632734687282/Megalania_Concept.jpg?ex=65f224e2&is=65dfafe2&hm=a2b5dac438dd6fa0632354c4d7891096d21c78eb534ca767d69cdcb25bc78971&

[civic goblet]

oh

what other concepts have I not seen

[digital sleet]

check in #isle-phase-three

theres a good few in there

and some older ones in #phase-two-archive

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/989300647499280434/Anky_ConceptArt.jpg?ex=65f22d06&is=65dfb806&hm=a9980d52c48cd8145d3fd3ec5b715d07f713dc2d5423c9fc42552861050a86fd&

[civic goblet]

ooo

are those dinos that are gonna get added in the game?

-0-

[digital sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1014703816119173180/Quetz_Concept_2.png?ex=65f24e92&is=65dfd992&hm=85c24e24124005c0b93584a362aa0e7510a0c2791b447b574939471b1edc9f18&

[civic goblet]

oo

I bet they will start working on other dinos when the others after Maia, Trike and Rex ( Maybe diablo ) get added

[cedar crescent]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-7JIG-0GG1Pou33G4fQGpCmZyvIrHGZGtDsSkNkRCOk/edit?usp=sharing

[digital sleet]

diablo is next

then rex and trike

then after that its a mixup between maiasaura, austroraptor, kentrosaurus, and baryonyx

[civic goblet]

oooo

yeah it makes sense that rex and trike come out together

[cedar crescent]

these are all of the CAs we have so far

[civic goblet]

I think they are both the most anticipated

[civic goblet]

thank you so much- so- all of these dinos will eventually get added? Like- every single one ot ehm

[cedar crescent]

yees

[civic goblet]

I love this game

even compy-

we are gonna be able to play as compy-

[cedar crescent]

maybe on unofficials, but official servers we wont be able to

[civic goblet]

Works for me

aslong as I get to play as it

im happy

ill start on the Megalania tomorrow after school, im very tired and probs wouldent even get through the sketch without passing out of exhaustion

[digital sleet]

✅

[spice gyro]

@median hound #gateway-screenshots message wonderful screenshots, again!

[hard vortex]

I disagreed with the herd mentality of the unofficial Reddit to review bomb the game, and I was sent suicide watch messages. But dev man bad right…right?!?

Kinda sucks it can’t just be shut down, it’s literally just a field of copeium

[dull galleon]

Ok Islecord, which one is funnier:

[slow hazel]

me

[dull galleon]

First or second?

[cedar crescent]

I think 1

It'd be even funnier if it had an HP recovery move too

[dull galleon]

But then I wouldn't be able to use Struggle

[cedar crescent]

Oh true

But what if you die before roar loses all of its pp

You can't struggle then

I just thought it'd be funny for it to continuously roar and heal and be tanky

[dull galleon]

Assault Vest doesn't allow me to use status moves!

So basically whenever it gets in the battle the only move it can click is Struggle

[cedar crescent]

NOOOOOOO

I forgot that AV even did that

[dull galleon]

Yeah

It does that

[cedar crescent]

Me when I get lobotomized and struggle against the delusions I face

[dull galleon]

Yup

[spice stream]

💀

[dull galleon]

A true struggler

[honest dune]

Last of my hamon is beautiful

[dull galleon]

Hell yeah

[twin valley]

Is this a good pc

I need advice

[limber grove]

What's the GPU?

[twin valley]

Not sure its on gumtree lol

[limber grove]

It's not listed in the title, so if you can't be sure if it has one at all, don't get it for gaming

[twin valley]

Im trying to find cheap pcs

[limber grove]

'Specially since the list price is $1200

[twin valley]

Whats the best reliable cheap pc that i can build overtime

Cuz idk where to start lol

But i want to actually play evrima

Without being on 3 fps

[limber grove]

I don't have much advice, I'm still running on a rig that's pushing 10 years old lmao

[twin valley]

Damn lol

Im on a dell laptop thats about 5 years old

[flint wren]

I'm not salty your salty

[shell rapids]

kraft

[twin valley]

I love mods

[twin trellis]

Whats the diffirence between a DDR3, DDR4 & DDR5??

and then theres like " SODIMM " or " ECC "

[full patrol]

I literally had to answer that for homework yesterday
One sec

Tldr,

DDR5 is currently the fastest and most efficient memory because it's an improvement on DDR4 which is an improvement on DDR3

SODIMM is more compact so is mostly used in laptops and ECC is mostly used on systems that run servers

[full patrol]

AstikorCarts

[shell rapids]

Heck yea

I was using the plow to make a road between waystones

[full patrol]

What version are you using?

[shell rapids]

1.20

[full patrol]

Hmmm idr if SWEM is on 1.20
SWEM with astikor carts is so nice

[shell rapids]

But it's terrafirmacraft, so you couldn't really tell which mc Versipn it is

I think swem is
But

Won't work with terrafirmacraft

[full patrol]

Dang

[dull galleon]

Based

[stark oriole]

@heady spoke look at this thing I found

[heady spoke]

wh-

why

[calm plank]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-pigs-farm-life-living-the-dream-funny-animals-gif-10491220

[lavish kettle]

Ain't no way Path of Titans are trolling 👀

[spice gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-its-just-business-just-business-its-nothing-personal-gif-25180420

[dull galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-clans-hog-rider-call-gif-13376447

[cedar crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-2-alan-wake-alan-wake-ii-dance-gif-18232154390330874923

[shell rapids]

how it feels to chew 5gum

[dull galleon]

The hell is that shiny thing

[wintry marlin]

Man, i need to play minecraft again…

[full patrol]

Looks like a glow effect dragon and the shaders what iris to go blind

[dull galleon]

Hmmm

[shell rapids]

yea, dragon survival mod, set colors to glow, pure white, with complementary shaders

aka. flash bang

[wintry marlin]

Dragon survival

[shell rapids]

its cool, but, epic fight mod, is cooler

[wintry marlin]

Minecraft is epic

Miss playing it, should probably play it again

[shell rapids]

ive recently indoctrinated more of my friends into playin it

[dull galleon]

I miss playing Minecraft with friends 😔

[wintry marlin]

Real

[dull galleon]

Life sucks when you have responsibilities

[dense field]

I chew through bedrock edition

Like not even funny

[dull galleon]

What does that

What does that mean?

[dense field]

We played so much that i get sick looking at minecraft

[dull galleon]

Oh

[cedar crescent]

why are you white

[dense field]

I've had character development

[cedar crescent]

good or bad

[dense field]

Yes

[cedar crescent]

i am sorry for your character development

[dense field]

My condolences too

[dull galleon]

No way, Sasha banner

[dense field]

Let you down

[dull galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/sasha-yakovleva-cyberpunk-cyberpunk-edgerunners-let-you-down-music-video-bubblegum-gif-5605422863431485757

[shell rapids]

teetle

[hazy gate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N4lJV0LyqqM?feature=share

[modest isle]

First Animal species of the day (279) :
Pūkeko Bird / (Porphyrio melanotus)

The Pūkeko Bird also known as Australasian swamphen (Porphyrio melanotus) is a species of swamphen (Porphyrio) occurring in eastern Indonesia (the Moluccas, Aru and Kai Islands), Papua New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand. In New Zealand, it is known as the pūkeko. The species used to be considered a subspecies of the purple swamphen.

The Australasian swamphen occurs in mainland Australia, eastern Indonesia, the Moluccas, Aru and Kai Islands, and in Papua New Guinea. It is also found on New Zealand's main islands and in the Chatham and Kermadec Islands. It has a small shield, black upperparts, and a purple throat and breast. P. p. pelewensis (Hartlaub & Finsch, 1872) from Palau, resembles melanotus but has greener upperparts and is smaller. P. p. melanopterus (Bonaparte, 1856) is found from the Lesser Sundas and Moluccas to New Guinea. It is as melanotus but smaller, more variable and less blue in the upperparts. P. p. bellus (Gould, 1820) from Western Australia is as melanotus but has a cerulean blue throat and breast. P. p. samoensis (Peale, 1848) occurs from New Guinea to New Caledonia and Samoa, and is as melanotus but smaller, with a brown tinge on the back

The New Zealand population (along with green-yellow swamphens in Tasmania) are possibly slightly larger than mainland Australian birds, but are otherwise identical.[7] When threatened, they will often walk away from danger rather than fly. When they fly, take-offs and landings are clumsy, and short flight distances are preferred

They live in groups of 3–12 individuals and are known to group together and shriek loudly to defend nests successfully during attacks by Australasian harriers. When unsuccessful at repelling predators, they may abandon their nest sites. A recent arrival to New Zealand, they have thrived in an environment that now contains introduced predators such as cats, rodents and mustelids (Brunin and Jamieson, 1995).

A Chick :

In New Zealand and Australia populations have expanded due to the creation of new artificial lakes and ponds. The subspecies endemic to Palau has been considered endangered as well,[19] although a 2005 survey found that the subspecies, while potentially threatened, is at least now still common

@sullen merlin
@naive aspen
@severe niche
@hallow parrot
@limber grove

@wintry marlin
@cedar crescent
@distant nymph
@rustic badger

@shell rapids
@dreamy geode
@frosty geyser
@drowsy egret
@azure oar

[naive aspen]

Beipi reincarnate

[hallow parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/yapper-gif-6207367677105378363

[modest isle]

[sullen merlin]

this one messed up my shoelaces at the zoo

[naive aspen]

Those toes look very snappable

[modest isle]

Funny bird WITH BIG FEET

[distant nymph]

aw xD

[hallow parrot]

they look like delicacies
like $15 per foot peice

Now I say that, it sounds incredibly weird

[modest isle]

LMAO

[hallow parrot]

"Would you like to buy a swamphe's toe?"

[distant nymph]

D:

[azure oar]

swamphe? truly australian

[wintry marlin]

DAMN!!!!!!!!!

[modest isle]

Only this species
Other seamphen species are not Australian

[paper portal]

hoping that i can ask here because i read the rules and see nothing against asking for commissions as long as they message me. so, if your art commissions are open, please dm me (budget is $50)

[shell rapids]

me when i am in an area

[full patrol]

Ya you're fine asking if anyone does commissions for them to dm you, they just aren't allowed to advertise their commissions in here. They can post comms they've done though in #isle-fan-art

[paper portal]

okay, thanks!

[elder meadow]

https://imgur.com/NVZLWYa

[modest isle]

A good parent bird

[elder meadow]

Yus

[true sequoia]

can we get a victory call for all dinos so if we win a hard fought battle i can tell everyone 🙏

[full patrol]

That's 1 call

[ancient flume]

Can anyone help pls i have no idea what this means ( i have nitro )

[full patrol]

It means that at some point you canceled a boost, so you have to un-cancel it before you can boost more

[full patrol]

What shader pack?

[shell rapids]

complentary unbound

[full patrol]

Nice that would explain the excessively glowing dragon

Same happened to me on regular complementary

[ancient flume]

Ok thanks also how does one do that

Do i just wait for the subscription to be available again after the month is up

[shell rapids]

yea, i wanted to flashbang by friends so i made it as excessive as possible

[full patrol]

I wouldn't know I've never bought nitro. Try googling the error message I'm sure somebody has explained how to fix it

[ancient flume]

I did haha i cant find anything atm though

Its fine ill keep looking thanks also

[silk tartan]

TEETLE

I thought I was the only person who called them teetles

[full patrol]

Tutel

[shell rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-t-rex-dinosaur-turtle-tortaxirex-gif-25811498

totle

[mystic wasp]

First we know the maximum number of events that could have taken place during the history of the observable universe. Due to the properties of gravity, matter, and electromagnetic radiation, physicists have determined there is a limit to the number of physical transitions that can occur from one state to another within a given unit of time. It cannot take place faster than light can traverse the smallest physically significant unit of distance. The planck length of 10^-33 centimeters. Therefore, the time it takes for light to traverse that distance determines the shortest time in which any physical effect can occur. This unit of time is called the Planck time of 10^-43 seconds.

Knowing this we can calculate the largest number of opportunities that any material event had to occur in the observable universe since the Big Bang. An event being when an elementary particle does something or interacts with other elementary particles.

Since there is a limit to how many times an event can happen in a second(10^43 at most) a limited number of elementary particles(10^80) and since there has been a limited number of seconds since the big bang(10^16) there is a limited number of opportunities for any given event to occur in the entire history of the universe. This fixes the total number of events that could have taken place in the observable universe since the Big Bang at 10^139. There have been other estimates over the years by scientists ranging from 10^92 x2.6 to 10^120. So our estimate is generous.

Now the chance of forming a functional protein by chance is 10^164 To have a good chance of this happening(50-50) you would have to go through more that half of the 10^164 non-functional sequences. Unfortunately that number exceeds the number of possible events that could have happened in the universe. Let’s compare this number (.5 x 10^164) to the maximum number of opportunities 10^139 for that event to occur in the history of the universe. (.5 x 10^164) exceeds 10^139 by more than twenty four orders of magnitude.

Essentially even if the entire universe was a prebiotic soup since the Big Bang the odds are not in the favor of one single small functional protein forming by an insane degree.

[lethal girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-moves-grooves-locking-gif-17797839

[lethal girder]

In my opinion there is atleast 1 other alien.

Odds are there is atleast one planet that has a very similar climate to earth

[mystic wasp]

Ah that wasn’t what I was showing the calculations for. This is life forming by chance even with all the right conditions in a prebiotic soup

Even if the entire universe was one big soup of amino acids with all the right conditions for life the odds are so small as to be the closest to impossible

[elfin zephyr]

what are you yapping about

[elfin zephyr]

marry me

[elfin zephyr]

nvm i got married, thanks for nothing

[full patrol]

Ok but what if light wasn't necessary to measure how often an event can happen as events can happen even if there is no light to observe it, thus you have infinite possibilities of something occurring within a specified time frame (creation of the universe - present)
Although it is uncommon for life to form in abundance like it has on earth, scientists have found microbial life on meteors and other celestial bodies. Thus by technicality aliens do exist. As for the probability of intelligent alien life, in a universe that is incomprehensibly large for the human mind, and infinite possibilities over billions of years, it is extremely unlikely that we alone are the only "intelligent life" in all of existence

[full patrol]

There are also an estimated 10^24 earthlike planets and stars in the 2 trillion galaxies within the universe
I seriously doubt we are alone in the universe

To give you a tangible image of the sheer quantity that is, that's more planets and stars than grains of beach sand on earth

Quoting Wikipedia, but nasa articles back up the information

For fun 🤓
https://youtu.be/oT7bAuOz8ao?si=p5ghAfnmIYiypM_9

[mystic wasp]

A lot of those findings are from contamination from the probes they used to find them and it’s using the speed of light not light itself to measure the maximum number of events that can take place. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light as far as we are aware of how physics work.

[full patrol]

Yes but when you are counting infinite actions happening as fast as possible over an area expanding infinitely -as far as we can tell thus far - at the speed of light. The chances are infinity

[mystic wasp]

And again it doesn’t matter how many planets that have the right conditions for life with these numbers. Even if the entire universe was one big prebiotic soup the odds are not in favor of one small protein forming and you need at least 250 proteins to get something living

[mystic wasp]

The universe hasn’t always existed, therefore there is a limited number of events that could have happened up until now

This is why many scientists want there to be a multiverse then they can ignore such probabilities

And other kinds of life make the odds worse not better carbon is very optimal for life

[full patrol]

13.7 billion years with hundreds of trillions of planets gets you a number so large that although "finite" if you only count until a present year, as far as estimations are concerned that's such an absurdly large number of chances teetering on the edge of "might as well call it infinity"

[mystic wasp]

Yeah I gave you the numbers 13.7 billion years is 10^16 that’s how big these numbers are

[full patrol]

And the trillions of "earth like" planets are 10^24

[mystic wasp]

Again I didn’t even count the planets just used all the atoms in the universe which is 10^80

[full patrol]

Also consider different kinds of life, not everything needs to exist the way we do

We are water and carbon based life, that doesn't mean all life ever has to be

[mystic wasp]

As I said that makes the odds worse not better carbon is very optimized for life

[full patrol]

It is, from our perspective

[mystic wasp]

There has been research done into this

[full patrol]

It's very efficient yes, but wouldn't adding possible other ways for life to exist increase the odds not decrease it

[mystic wasp]

Something alive still needs to be able to metabilize and form gradients get rid of waste products and so on

That narrows the odds

[full patrol]

I'm trying to remember what this thing I called but it's late and I can't think of the name
There's some bacteria or fungus something that defies this but I can't remember it because I read about it so long ago

[mystic wasp]

And if the odds are this insane with carbon a very efficient form then others would have worse odds

[full patrol]

Odds are still odds and add to the overall number of chances

[mystic wasp]

Are you talking about parasitic forms of life?

[full patrol]

I honestly don't remember I'll have to try looking it up later

[mystic wasp]

I feel like you didn’t read my main comment at all. That was in there too

[full patrol]

Was the main comment the one with the math?

[mystic wasp]

There hasn’t been enough chances to make the odds anywhere near 50/50 even if all the atoms in the universe were trying

[mystic wasp]

Yeah

[full patrol]

Yes I saw that part

[mystic wasp]

That’s why Planck time and length were important

[full patrol]

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, I'm arguing that although the chances are so slim, the universe is so large that what seems like small chances to us is actually not so impossibly small that we would be the only life in all of existence

[mystic wasp]

I’m saying that the universe isn’t big enough and hasn’t existed long enough to make the odds plausible at all

10^164 is a very very big number

And that’s just the odds of a small protein forming by chance

Any functional protein I must add, among all the ways amino acids can bond only a rare few actually fold into a stable shape

Look I don’t think either of us is firing on all cylinders here it’s very late

GN

[full patrol]

I disagree, life began on earth within 1 billion years of it existing.
So if we go by the oldest known planet ~13billion years old and add to that only the trillions of earthlike planets that's at least 13bil × 10^24 chances. That's quite a lot of chances for any possible life to form and for it to only happen once.

Night o7

[mystic wasp]

Your still not understanding the numbers involved here the maximum number of opportunities 10^139 for that event to occur in the history of the universe. That is massively larger than 13 billion x 10^24(or 10^16 x 10^24 = 10^40)

And it still isn’t enough

This is why scientists are looking to the multiverse idea so these odds can be ignored and some genuinely believe life was planted on earth by something

[full patrol]

Life was planted by fate uwu
I get that the odds are basically impossible, but the chances are also impossibly large. So for my personal opinion I seriously doubt there is 0 life in any capacity in the entire universe outside of earth

[mystic wasp]

Hey it’s alright, your just an optimist 😁👍

Me not so much

Have a good sleep!

[full patrol]

You've made that quite clear lol

You too

[dense field]

out there
there's a world outside of Yonkers
way out there beyond this hick town Barnaby
there's a slick town Barnaby
out there
full of shine and full of sparkle
close your eyes and see it glisten Barnaby
listen Barnaby...

Space remind me of WALL-E and this song ^^

[drowsy egret]

i mean yeah

when u look at how common what makes us alive is

carbon hydrogen oxygen

they are the most common things in the universe

u can find them everywhere

so when u look at that

u surely cant really think we are alone

doesnt matter if u are a optimistic person or not
the odds are just insanely high

and we may have also found evidence of life on a water world

which is pretty cool

we may find life in our lifetimes
at least evidence of it

[shell rapids]

Life off earth in some capacity? Sure absolutely, but nobody could really convince me of complex life, (especially not frickin, grays)

[gray adder]

The grays scare me, I would sometimes get the feeling of them outside the sliding glass door.
That being said.. The Fourth Kind is the scariest movie I ever seen.
And that scene from A fire in the sky movie also didn't help lol

[shell rapids]

The most terrifying implication of the grays being out there
Or any other vaguely human esque alien

Is it would disrupt our understanding of human evolution entirely

[gray adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QG0q0EpRpA
Lol
I remember this video being a huge thing many called it real many called it fake and made their own videos trying to debunk it

But what most people didn't know it was not the actual video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEufg4EPvwQ&t This is and wasn't released for a long time

[real harness]

LETS GROOVE TONIGHT 🗣️

[full patrol]

Pokemon Horizons is out today

[cedar crescent]

Wait people still play GW2

[cedar crescent]

What is Pokemon horizons

[full patrol]

The series some people are boycotting because Ash isn't in the anime anymore

Not true pokemon fans

[cedar crescent]

Ohhhh, I didn't even know they were continuing Pokemon shows

[full patrol]

Pokemon journeys was really good it was the last story they did with Ash the series finale was epic

[real harness]

Like less then 500 active players, i mostly play garden and graveyard ops with friends and also vs ai

The actual multiplayer lobbies are so sweaty everyone is just using the same 3 characters

[cedar crescent]

Oh okay

I remember finally getting the ability to play online and that was near the death of GW2

[real harness]

Damn

[ancient flume]

Hahaha

Plasma pea on top

[real harness]

Sick shot i got the other day @cedar crescent

[real harness]

You dont even know

[cedar crescent]

DAMN, bro exploded

[rustic badger]

I loved this game, cool to see people still playing it

[real harness]

Its fun, and also dead cheep when its on sale, you should wishlist it and we could all play garden/graveyard ops

[mystic wasp]

Let me ask you a question. What is more numerous? All the carbon, oxygen, and helium atoms in the universe or all the elements, all the atoms in the universe? Because the calculations I shared take into account all the atoms.

[drowsy egret]

doesnt really matter
carbon hydrogen and oxygen are extremely common

meaning life has a insanely high chance

specially at this time

i dont got context on this debate but from what i saw its about life on planets

so sorry if i sound weird

[mystic wasp]

Yes it does matter, I don’t even care about the subject itself anymore I want you to understand the math because their is a fundamental misunderstanding here and it worries me

[drowsy egret]

so u dont believe that there is other life

[mystic wasp]

I’m saying that the physics and math say it’s practically impossible.

[drowsy egret]

its not

what u are saying is invalidating everything every astronomist has ever said

[mystic wasp]

The universe hasn’t existed long enough to make the odds probable

[drowsy egret]

most if not all astronomist heavily believe life exists

[drowsy egret]

sorry to break it man but the universe seems to be even older then we thought before

[mystic wasp]

No what I’m saying is quoted from cosmology

[drowsy egret]

we have found galaxies that are HUGE
but they have been formed like only a few million years after the big bang

its practically impossible for a galaxy to form that early and be that big

meaning we might have to revisit the age of the universe

so its most likely even older then we have thought it was before

[mystic wasp]

Which is awsome!

[drowsy egret]

meaning life has a high odd of existing elsewhere

👍🏻

[mystic wasp]

But even if the universe was a few billion years older than we thought it won’t effect these calculations much. The numbers involved are so big that it allows for a lot of adjustment of the intial variables without changing the conclusion

[drowsy egret]

we cant be the only ones

hear me out

[mystic wasp]

And that’s your belief

[drowsy egret]

there is billions

billions

BILLIONS

of galaxies

quadrillions of planets

quadrillions of stars

all

[mystic wasp]

Yes, 10^80 atoms

[drowsy egret]

in their habitable zone

all

perfect for life

the reason we havent found any life yet is because

light speed is finite

we dont see the planets as they are now

we see them as they were

meaning most earth like planets might have life NOW but not when the light started to travel to us

[mystic wasp]

Still not getting the math here. Even if the entire universe was habitable and had all it needed the odds of life forming by chance don’t even come close to 50/50

[drowsy egret]

the James webb telescope has found evidence of life on a water world anyways

NASA's James Webb Space Telescope may have stumbled upon tentative evidence suggesting signs of life on a distant exoplanet, K2-18b. The telescope may have detected the presence of a molecule known as dimethyl sulphide (DMS), a substance only produced by life, reported BBC New

yes this is real

not just some random article

we may have just found the first evidence of life

we aint alone man

[mystic wasp]

Which is cool but not still unconfirmed

We have thought we found life before and have been wrong

[drowsy egret]

James webb telescope is now monitoring the planet even more

we may get more news soon

we arent alone

all the odds work together

the materials that makes life life

[mystic wasp]

I am very excited about it though

[drowsy egret]

is so common

earth like planets that are habitable are super common

we cant be alone in such a big space

that just keeps on expanding

[mystic wasp]

So again I care less about the subject and more about the math that your not getting. I guess I’m bad at explaining

[drowsy egret]

there hasnt been really any math on this

because we dont know exact numbers

[modest isle]

Hopefully we are the only ones in the universe
It would make the entire universe for us Earthlings 🌍to conquer

[drowsy egret]

but pretty much every astronomer think that life exists somewhere else

[drowsy egret]

that is

scarier then not being alone

the fear that when u die

[modest isle]

[drowsy egret]

there will be nothing after you that will live to see the beauty of space

and not being alone and being able to communicate with other super intelligent species and getting our point across will be a huge leap for all life on the universe

[cedar crescent]

Hype!

[mystic wasp]

So all the atoms in the universe is estimated to be at 10^80 which is ten followed by 80 zeros. A massive number. The universe has been around roughly 10^16 seconds, perhaps more like 10^18 seconds. The chances of a small protein forming by chance in a prebiotic soup is 10^164

[drowsy egret]

it would be a super galactic collony

[modest isle]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-troll-face-depressed-trollface-gif-25126675

[drowsy egret]

ok?
how does that say that life cant exist?

other then us

the universe can be 100s of billions of years old and we wouldnt know

there is still many galaxies that we have to discover that might outright just rewrite the entire theory of the universes formation and age

come on dude u cant seriously think that we are alone when everything that makes life
is so common
practically every planet has hydrogen
every asteroid has carbon
and oxygen is plentiful in stars

helium is also very common

its in the top 3 most common element in the universe

all the odds just say that we aint alone

anyways one thing to look upto is that we may find life on other planets in our life time

just gotta keep investigating this water world and we might potentially find life

single celled or not

[mystic wasp]

Perhaps if I framed the math another way you would get the scale

[drowsy egret]

u can say it in words

like

the most simple way possible

i dont really get your point

[mystic wasp]

You mean write out the numbers long form?

[drowsy egret]

no

just

[mystic wasp]

That would take years

[drowsy egret]

words

no math

just explain

[mystic wasp]

So, we know the universe had a beginning so it has existed for a limited time up until now. It is expanding but it is finite, so we can make a good guess on how much stuff the universe is made of. And because nothing moves faster than the speed of light we can know the maximum number of times that stuff could have interacted with one another forming something new. When you add all this up we can know how many opportunities the universe has had up until now to try and make a simple small protein. Following so far?

So we know the maximum number of tries the universe has had to make a small protein if all the stuff in the universe was trying to do it. So imagine a universe sized prebiotic soup, with all that is needed to make a protein knocking into each other. How many tries does the universe have to go through to get at least of 50/50 chance of getting a small protein? Far, far more then the tries it has had so far. In order for the odds to be 50/50 there would need to be 24 other universes of prebiotic soup trying.

[drowsy egret]

heres the thing

the universe is expanding faster then the speed of light

because of

dark matter

and dark energy

[mystic wasp]

But the number of atoms isn’t really increasing they are just getting farther apart

[drowsy egret]

doesnt really need to

there is ALOT of atoms already

basically
the odds arent low
creating protein doesnt really take that much time in a universe that is potentially over hundreds of millions of years old

its something astronomers have thought out before
and well they still believe we arent alone

meaning well this math is not enough to invalidate the possibility of other life

[shell rapids]

I think
Personally
A better thing to say is
Life Is so rare due to all the necessary conditions

And the universe so expensive, that if their is intelligent, possibly space faring life
I do not believe we well ever know

Same goes for other life never learning of us

[full patrol]

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving, revolving at 900 miles an hour. It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned, a sun that is the source of all our power. The Sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see are moving at a million miles a day. In an outer spiral orb, at 40,000 miles an hour, of the Galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our Galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars. It's a 100,000 light years side to side it bulges in the middle 16,000 light years thick, but out by us it's just 3,000 light years wide. We're 30,000 light years from galactic central point. We go round every 200,000,000 years. And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions in this amazing and expanding Universe.
Our Universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding in all of the directions it can whiz. As fast as it can go, the speed of light you know, 12,000,000 miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So, remember when you're feeling very small and insecure how amazingly unlikely is your birth. And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, cause I'm afraid that we've been cheated here on Earth.

[mystic wasp]

I would suggest actually researching what it would take to form a protein by chance it’s anything but easy

[full patrol]

I agree on that and said similar earlier, that although the probability is very low the universe is so big it's extremely unlikely there is any life out there at all. As for intelligent life or anything with space travel or technology, it's also possible but considered improbable that if it does exist that we'll ever know about it in our lifetime. Consider what humans have done in only 200,000 years. Now imagine if modern humans had evolved earlier in earth's history, hypothetically, even just 1 million years ago. That's another 800,000 years of technological development. What if a planet somewhere just 1 million years ago managed to evolve a species comparable to "modern humans" they could be far more technologically advanced or even extinct at this pont

[shell rapids]

I think, to properly set in how big those distances are
I should point out that, 1 light year = 9trillion km or 6 trillion miles

Quite confident that there's plenty of like microbial or very early not quite life but on the path to being life out there, but, nothing we could really point at

[full patrol]

ya I would say it's impossible that earth is the only planet in the entire universe to have any bacteria/microbes on it
however the chances for "intelligent life" are much much lower though I don't think it's impossible

[shell rapids]

"Complex" life on the level of the pre cambrian much less

We're not gonna find any space hallucigenias any time soon

[full patrol]

me waiting for the discovery of intelligent life on another planet, that's all water, and us calling the planet something related to Atlantis because all of it's civilization is aquatic

[shell rapids]

If that exact thing happen I'd be very angry over the name

[full patrol]

although at that point maybe we'll have reached a point in civilization that we aren't calling things by our madeup names and instead by the name of said place in it's own language, given we are able to pronounce it

[shell rapids]

At that point we probably won't even be "humans"

[full patrol]

not in the way we currently perceive humans

[shell rapids]

I'm hoping for some synthetic ascension stuff, hopefully soon enough, I want a robot bod

[full patrol]

they'll look at us like we look at Neanderthals on the line of evolution that far into the future

[shell rapids]

Nah not a good analogy
Neanderthals are our cousins, now known to be as capable and smart

Australopithecus is a better one

I'm not being "uhm actually" I just don't tolerate neanderthalensis slander

[full patrol]

ah I was just using it as an example exactly as that though xD
"Less capable and smart"

[shell rapids]

I'll die standing up for my neadner homies, it's only a matter of time we learn they had actual language

[full patrol]

they'll look back at the 2000's and be like "wow look at those ungabunga guys using physical medium to transfer messages over long distance to eachother"

[shell rapids]

At that point their just shorter stockier version of us at the time

[full patrol]

I'm sure they had their own language, just because we don't have any record of it doesn't mean it wasn't there. We know our ancestors at the time had some form of early language I seriously doubt the Neanderthals didn't

[shell rapids]

Yea

https://tenor.com/view/neanderthal-woolly-rhino-run-chase-gif-11134372

My homies

[full patrol]

ik in science you have to physically prove hypothesis, but so much is common sense it's a little annoying that so many people are like "it cannot possibly be true until we have data explicitly proving it is true" when the response often should be "that sounds reasonable but we need more data to prove it as fact"

[drowsy egret]

we will most likely know if we find traces of them on close by planets and systems

or they will find us first

well thats to say we are interesting to them

prob not

[shell rapids]

im saying they are too far spread apart that it is logicitically impossible

[drowsy egret]

we are just a bunch of stupid stickmans compared to like a type 3 civilizaation

[drowsy egret]

if its a type 3 civilization

it has most likely collonized entire galaxies

[full patrol]

we're so racist and terrible against our own species I can't imagine another intelligent species wanting to interact with us voluntarily

[drowsy egret]

so the chance of meeting one of them is pretty high

[drowsy egret]

well thats because of resources

a advanced alien doesnt need resources

it has ALOT of it

because they have conquered many planets

[shell rapids]

idc about type whatever civilization crap, do you understand how many galaxies their are? and how far apart they are?

[drowsy egret]

some even made of diamond cores

[full patrol]

it ain't just resources but we're not supposed to talk about politics

[shell rapids]

20 galaxies is still a blade of grass in the ocean

[drowsy egret]

yes i know

but if there is one advanced civilization in our galaxy

they would prob show themselves to us

either intentionally or unintentionally

[shell rapids]

if they find us

[drowsy egret]

earth would seem pretty insignificant at first

but then they would realize that our planet has a insanely rare resource

wood

so they would prob check us out

[full patrol]

an advanced civilization that has achieved efficient space travel would probably monitor our planet first, learn about us and whether it's a good idea to interact or leave us alone. This would be assuming the scenario that said species isn't out simply to nuke whatever species exists on a planet and take it for themselves

it's good to consider all possibilities not just what is the most aggressive scenerio a human would do with space travel

[drowsy egret]

i mean

if they wanna achieve one of the craziest feats a life form can achieve

they would prob keep us alive

imagine having a entire colony of 2 intelligent species

[shell rapids]

hold the phone, i found a skyrim mod that gives dragons four legs, best mod ever

[drowsy egret]

that would be absolutely crazy

[shell rapids]

tbh, if such a civiliation axisted and found us, i doubt theyd ever let us know, as doing so can cause, alot of issues

[drowsy egret]

not really

[shell rapids]

i think we can all agree most of the world wouldnt act right if aliens showed themselves

[drowsy egret]

we wouldnt be able to do anything to them

and well if they introduce themselves peacefully
scientists would welcome them and well after a while people would be fine with it

specially when it would be a GIANT leap for mankind and both of these species

[shell rapids]

i didnt say antyhing about what wed do to them,

[full patrol]

imo the craziest feat would be seeding an inhabitable planet with microorganisms and then waiting billions of years for life to evolve in the greatest experiment of all time literally having played the role of "god" in a sense by giving life to a previously desolate planet

[drowsy egret]

the world would be pretty freaked out at first

[shell rapids]

thats a massive culture shock, religions would more than likely bein breaking down, for starters

[drowsy egret]

but they would slowly realize

that its better to meet another species then be alone in this journey

[drowsy egret]

mars terraformation moment

[full patrol]

I'm not claiming the concept is new lol

[drowsy egret]

im not saying that u are

im saying that its not really THAT hard to achieve

all u need to do is to set up a good atmosphere

can take a long time and alot of bombs

[shell rapids]

forget terraforming, i wanna see a dyson swarm

[drowsy egret]

but one day u will be able to get it right

[full patrol]

Ya, if we did suddenly have contact with aliens out of nowhere people would go insane. I have no doubts that even if the interactions were peaceful someone would be aiming the strongest weapons we have at them just waiting for an excuse to use em

[drowsy egret]

dyson sphere around our sun would be PEAK

also

they found a lack of light shine from 1 star

potentially being a dyson sphere

hopefully that is the case

as it would mean that the species has passed type 1 civilization

[shell rapids]

i mean, we already knew about the bootes void, a dimmer star aint that crazy

[drowsy egret]

then the same guy would prob be evaporated in one second

[drowsy egret]

this is a red giant

[full patrol]

not if that guy was an entire country

[drowsy egret]

they arent supposed to be dim

it can be many things

but it can also be a dyson sphere

[drowsy egret]

the entire country would be gone aswell

if the aliens are that advanced

[shell rapids]

iirc thats normal if its near its death

[full patrol]

My point is, the world is more complex than "hey guys look these aliens are gonna come say hi" and then everyone on the planet is chill with it

[drowsy egret]

they got over 70 billion years to live

if it was that old
it would be the oldest star

but its not

[shell rapids]

their would be absolute chaos on every level of society

the uncontacted natives would be chillin tho

[drowsy egret]

the oldest star we have ever discovered is 14 billion years old

again meaning the universe is prob older

which is cool

[drowsy egret]

well

the best time for it to happen

would be when people can accept the fact that we need to leave this place one day

[full patrol]

time for tinfoil hat theory that I am entirely making up on the spot
Elon Musk is working with the aliens on developing this brain chip and then once the majority of people on the planet have the brain chip in their heads, the aliens will use them to enslave our minds and force us to do whatever they want

[drowsy egret]

basically a society where everybody is working to enhance their technology to travel to other systems

then maybe we would accept aliens

[shell rapids]

im prettyt sure weve already witnessed it? ik a stars lifespan is absolutely more complicated than "x amount of years left"

[full patrol]

stars have proven to be more complicated than originally thought yes

[shell rapids]

to foil your tinfoil hat, i think elon musk is an idiot and a wierdo

[drowsy egret]

but they do have life spans

[drowsy egret]

no he is not

[shell rapids]

thats it, no nuance, i dont like muskrat

[drowsy egret]

he is like a kid in a mans body

[full patrol]

he is a weirdo tho

[drowsy egret]

but he has been doing a bunch of good shi

[drowsy egret]

every good inventor was a weirdo

well look at how much people praise them now

[shell rapids]

hes not an inventor, he pays inventors, important distinction

[full patrol]

ik but that doesn't make it untrue
I'm a weirdo too just a different kind of weird so

[drowsy egret]

he owns most of them

and he has said that he does work on stuff like his employees

so

[shell rapids]

owning something doesnt mean you designed it

[shell rapids]

load of crap

[drowsy egret]

plus he is trying to help nasa terraform mars

u need a big budget for that

and he provides it

he is a pretty important person for space exploration atm

[full patrol]

terraforming mars is cool but can we focus on maybe fixing our planet before trying to go to another?

[drowsy egret]

im not tryna glaze or anything

but he does do good important stuff

[drowsy egret]

fixing our planet is harder then terraforming mars

its better to have 2 planets

other then 1

all we need to do in mars is make a artificial atmosphere

which there is some ideas on how to do it

some suggest to bomb its poles

to make a giant smoke cloud to cover the UV light from the sun

[full patrol]

understanding and fixing our planet can give insight on how to better and more efficently terraform other planets

[shell rapids]

exactly why it should be done, id much rather fix the rock our species was born on, and fix a different planet, that im too poor to ever be allowed onto

[drowsy egret]

to fix our planet

u need to get rid of every every chemical company

impossible

u need to stop using oil

impossible

people need to stop using oil fueled cars

impossible

u cant change it anymore

climate change has sped up and we cant really fix it anymore

unless everybody comes together to do this

which they prob wont

[shell rapids]

unless were terraforming mars specifically to get rid of the corporate ceos and such, than fine, let their life support systems fail, while people that actually care cac fix our literal cradle world

[drowsy egret]

PLUS

going to mars

will give us more resources

meaning there would be a decrease in wars

well resource driven wars

which are insanely common nowdays

[shell rapids]

more resources sounds like oppurtunties to hoard them, which would lead to more war

[drowsy egret]

well not really

[shell rapids]

you are far too optimistic

[drowsy egret]

america wants as much resources as possible

[full patrol]

how to decrease use of oil and coal: give better, more affordable options. Solar and green energy in general are making big strides in development lately. To the point that developing countries are using green energy over coal and oil. The main issue with coal and oil is the big main countries use it and are too dependent on it to commit to a full swap to greener energy. Once coal and oil prices get too high, and they will, people will swap over to cheaper, greener options like electric cars, wind and solar farms, etc. It's not impossible, it's only a matter of time

[drowsy egret]

but other planets have alot of resources

[drowsy egret]

well

u gotta change the entire industry

u would need most of the world to come together to do so

im not saying that we shouldnt do it

we absolutely should

[full patrol]

and the entire industry will change when they can no longer turn a reasonable profit off of non-renewable resources

[drowsy egret]

but we also should terraform mars aswell

[full patrol]

Ya I agree mars terraforming is cool and a good thing, but I feel like issues on our planet should take priority. For example, better solar would mean easier space travel when you can't refuel because the closest rocket gas station is literally on another planet

[drowsy egret]

i mean ofc

earth would be the HQ of our species

if we colonize the entire solar system

but yeah we should also be thinking about terraforming other planets

they both benefit us

fixing earth is alot harder then terraforming planets tho

which just says alot about how ignorant society is nowdays

[full patrol]

to make an isle refrence -

Earth is legacy
Mars is evrima

easier to start over than to try and add more/fix stuff on something without a good base

[drowsy egret]

imagine this

[shell rapids]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859883104747520000/1095522784563691520/B363A88A-3776-47ED-BD29-2E6CF245F165.gif

[drowsy egret]

terraforming a entire inhospitable planet with 0 atmosphere and protection from the sun is easier then fixing a already perfect planet

really funny

well both sad and funny

[full patrol]

It's easier to start over on a blank slate where there's nobody already living there saying "you can't do this because I don't want it"

harder to convince an entire country that they should stop fracking and drilling for oil and instead turn to renewable energy sources, also you should implement x,y,z because it'll work better and maybe invest in some proper high speed terrestrial transportation infrastructure while you're at it

much easier to build these systems when there isn't already existing stuff in the way

[shell rapids]

do note, its more than likely gonna be the same companys destroying the planet and refusing to fix it, thatll be doing the terraforming

[full patrol]

when the motivation is profit, it's unfortunately what happens in many cases

[sullen merlin]

I mean making it easier to survive is quite "easy" for us. But restoring lifeconditions on a global scale for all organisms to its original state is way harded. Especially if half the people dont wanna cooperate

[drowsy egret]

all u need is a atmosphere pretty much

the rest can be planted

u would need a few years

but eventually it would be restored somewhat back to when it was hospitable

[sullen merlin]

Recreating earths ecosystems on another planet isnt as easy as that lol

but making it livable for life.. ye sure

[full patrol]

easier said than done for sure

[drowsy egret]

the point is not to make it earth 2.0

its to make it habitable enough for humans and animals to live on it

[full patrol]

the main concern would be water, although mars supposedly has water, is it enough to sustain life in the way we know or would it be permanently a more arid planet

on top of that, mars' core is not very active which is thought to be part of why it lost its atmosphere because it doesn't have as strong of a magnetic field protecting it so the atmosphere essentially got blown away by solar winds

[sullen merlin]

The fact that mars only has a subterranean lake/sea makes it either really hard for surface substrate to hold moisture and water or it just evaporates there maybe both

making it more difficult for plants to grow

[drowsy egret]

it doesnt

its a burnt planet

its so hot that water just evaporates well it was

because it doesnt have a atmosphere

it used to

but it doesnt anymore

the main thing u have to do is make a atmosphere

after thats done

u can transport water to mars and make artificial lakes in theory

[full patrol]

but to have an atmosphere you need a proper magnetic field, otherwise it just gets blown away by solar winds

[drowsy egret]

it has crustal magnetic fields

atmosphere is possible

wont get blown away

mars is now really cold

[full patrol]

the issue is that mars' magnetic field is not strong enough, so any atmosphere you manage to create will be blown away unless you can make the field strong enough to protect the atmosphere

[drowsy egret]

but u can in theory create a artificial atmosphere

[drowsy egret]

its actually possible to hold the atmosphere there

solar winds only blow away the outer layers

it doesnt have a atmosphere anymore as it was blown away a LONG time ago
but in theory u can make a artificial atmosphere that can stay there

[full patrol]

speaking of solar winds, scientists are predicting a major solar storm that could hit us within the next couple years. If we do collide with it, the storm is predicted to be powerful enough that it could potentially knock out some satellites, mess with electricity (flickering lights that are turned off) and cause auroras visible to the naked eye as far south as Hawaii

[drowsy egret]

scientist also want to create a artificial magnetic field

some ideas are in place

theoretically we can make a device which makes a magnetic field strong enough to hold an atmosphere in place

there is many different ways this can be done

particle rings etc

[full patrol]

that's what I'm talking about though, is they need to try to make the magnetic field stronger because studies have already shown that even if you give it an artificial atmosphere it'll deteriorate from solar winds because the current natural magnetic field is not strong enough to sustain a livable atmosphere for an extended period of time

[drowsy egret]

yeah but we can restore it all

and create ones ourselves

and we can produce oxygen on the planet ourselves

its possible as some robots sent to mars have done it

[full patrol]

so far the ways to restore the magnetic field or create one on a global scale are all theories. Technically we don't know for sure if we can do it and depending on what methods are used we could potentially do more harm than good. But that's what research and testing is for, to make sure we don't screw up beyond repair

[drowsy egret]

well there is nothing to lose

mars cant lose anything else

[azure oar]

Colonizing Mars?

[drowsy egret]

because it doesnt have anything else left

[drowsy egret]

yes

[full patrol]

I would consider destroying the opportunity to terraform a planet immediately next to us as something to lose

[drowsy egret]

again
there is nothing to ruin more

mars doesnt have anything left

[full patrol]

Quite literally only have one chance and if we screw it up beyond repair we have to start looking outside the solar system

[drowsy egret]

it cant lose anything

[full patrol]

Mars can't lose anything, but we can lose the ability to utilize Mars

[drowsy egret]

not really

if it gets inhospitable because of a bad atmosphere?

just turn of the magnetic field

easy

its gonna be blown away

unless u blow up the entire mars which idk how that even is possible there is nothing to lose

[full patrol]

I don't think we're thinking about the same scenerios. I'm thinking on a much deper level than what if the atmosphere goes bad

[drowsy egret]

well thats not possible

we arent bombing mars

even then

no insane damage would be done

there is no deeper level other then atmosphere

can u like be more specific

[full patrol]

ya one sec let me type it out

Damaging a planet beyond repair by messing with the magnetic field or tampering with its core. There are theories about how scientists could restabilize or reactivate Mars' core to restore its natural magnetic field and natural atmosphere just like there are theories about creating an artificial atmosphere and artificial magnetic field. Some of these theories even build off of each other. The issue is if you mess up the planet's core, you've essentially killed the planet unless you can artificially create a new core. So unless we can have the technology to create and active an entire planet's core at that point, we would have to rely entirely on an artificial magnetic field to keep the planet habitable.

[drowsy egret]

well dont worry about that

because we cant activate its core

we dont have the knowledge or technology

so we would be doing no harm to the planet even if we mess up a few times

its all fine and dandy

[full patrol]

one would assume that if we have the knowledge and technology to artificially create a proper magnetic field on the scale of an entire planet, we would have some research or knowledge into restoring a planet's core seeing as so far the core of planets is what creates the magnetic field in the first place

[drowsy egret]

the artificial device can be made today

it just costs alot

we have magnetic field technology on earth
and thats just only a small amount of what we can do with a massive budget

[full patrol]

and the first space ship that landed on the moon had less processing power than a ti-84 calculator and barely made it back.
Just because we could do it right now doesn't mean we can do it in an optimal or long-lived, meaningful way

[drowsy egret]

lets not mention the thing that went to the moon was old ass technology

we have landed like 10 probes on the moon ever since then

and we can go to moon and come back right now

nasa is gonna go back to the moon in a new mission

in a few years

artemis 2 lunar mission

well apparently its this year

so thats good

[full patrol]

I'm aware, my point is not that "this thing happened 50 years ago thus we shouldn't try"
my point was I don't think we're in a place technologically that would have meaningful results outside of "that was a great test run now let's improve our technology and try again in 20 years"

[drowsy egret]

we can do it at least

with a good budget

we can prob make a device that can give mars a magnetic field for a little while

that itself is a break through

[full patrol]

yes, exactly. A test run

[drowsy egret]

its for sure possible tho

and it may happen in our life time

depends on how comitted nasa is gonna be

we will know by 2030

[full patrol]

of course it's possible, but at our current level of technology it's not a feasible long-term result

[drowsy egret]

thats the planned date to send astronauts to mars

[drowsy egret]

well we got a few years

nasa is also heavily advancing technologies rn

in preparation for the mars mission

[full patrol]

I'm drawing a comparison between the first moon landing and the first "global artificial magnetic field"
Sure it'll probably work to some degree. But it will not be optimized or reliable long-term and the only meaningful results we will get will be "that was a great test, now how can we improve"
which is what science is supposed to do. I think we need much better technology and understanding before we can permanently artificially create an magnetic field and atmosphere on mars

[drowsy egret]

well

we'll see what nasa can do by 2030

[full patrol]

seeing as we were supposed to go to mars by this year, we shall see

[drowsy egret]

not really

it was always planned for 2030

as far as im aware

this year is the lunar mission

september

so its in a few months

[full patrol]

Nah the US was planning 2024 until around the pandemic, then it got pushed to 2030

[drowsy egret]

it plans to test the capibilities of this new space ship
and go to the moon

[drowsy egret]

well delays do happen

and thats a good thing

the more time we have

the more tech can advance

[full patrol]

ya I don't have an issue with it lol

[azure oar]

(half a year)

[drowsy egret]

eh its fine

its a dangerous mission afterall
they should train as much as possible

[drowsy egret]

https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/

incase u are interested in what nasa has planned

very genius mission

they have planned pretty much everything

[full patrol]

ya I saw a documentary about the simulated buildings and "domes" to simulate what doing research on mars would be like and what does/doesn't work

looks pretty neat

[drowsy egret]

and one of the primary reasons that we are going to mars instead of other planets

is to find out if life truly existed on it one day

potentially answering one of the most important questions
are we alone?

and well because its basically the perfect planet to terraform aswell so thats a thing

[full patrol]

quite convenient that it's our direct neighbor

one with hubris could even say the planet was purposely placed there for us specifically so we could learn how to terraform and expand across the universe

[drowsy egret]

they are basically also testing plant growth in space ships
water and food recycling systems
power systems including fission
and all other stuff that is super important in the international space station

[drowsy egret]

yeah its like the first boss battle

[full patrol]

did you hear about the tomato drama on the space station? that was pretty funny

a little scary because some people almost got in very big trouble because it was a very important experiment

[drowsy egret]

the tomato who was lost

and then somehow grew in space

?

[full patrol]

they were growing tomatoes in space and the tomato that had grown went missing. iirc it was a cherry tomato. Anyway, they eventually found it literally just floating around. But fingers were getting pointed at some of the people who had been on the station at the time like "did you eat the tomato!? Don't lie you were the last one to see it!"

was almost the most rediculous international crisis that had ever happened if they never found that tomato

[drowsy egret]

lmao

[full patrol]

I follow space news, from boring "oh wow another picture of stars" to the tomato incident

[drowsy egret]

also the artemis mission is to see how we can survive on other cellestial bodies

so its super important

prob why the mars mission was delayed

it will be a long term stay

[full patrol]

wouldn't be surprised, we don't have infinite people to work on these things

[drowsy egret]

yeah and it had to be tested

so the astronauts dont just die when they land on mars

[dense field]

Live action show really captured the relationship between Zuko and Iroh
I enjoyed every minute they were on screen

Everything else, hot garbage lol

[drowsy egret]

to think that we are finally going back to the moon 50 years later is crazy

[full patrol]

we been talking about space for the last, all day, but I tried to look at the show as its own telling of the story instead of comparing it too much to the original series. The episode where at the end they went into Iroh's backstory and touched on his sons death tore me apart though. They were playing leaves from the vine in the BG and apparently I couldn't handle it

[dense field]

Yeah that scene completely destroyed me

I was devastated

It could not have been that bad if some of the stuff that had to stay the same did stay the same and dialogue wasn't cringe

Every word ushered by Aang just seemed wrong

Poor actor
He was perfect cast too

[full patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-cody-its-about-damn-time-about-damn-time-finally-gif-25899054

[full patrol]

I appreciate that they emphasize that they're all just kids because Zuko is literally the oldest at 16. I didn't like how they smashed alot of elements together and brought end of story plot points to the beginning of the story. Or completely skipped over character development arcs. But that's when comparing it to the original series. I would have liked it pelanty if I'd never watched the original. It does a good job telling the story even if it's not the version of the story we preferred

[drowsy egret]

artemis 3 is planned for 2025 - 2026

pretty close

thats the mission were they land on moons south pole and explore

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/iroh-tree-irohtree-avatar-the-gif-19347619

[full patrol]

noice that's gonna be exciting

[drowsy egret]

people are finally gonna see another moon take off in the TV again

imagine if nasa just completely stops every other program and show and just shows how the space ship launches

[full patrol]

I'll actually get to watch good history in the making instead of crappy stuff that people are gonna look back on and be like "why did they do that? it was clearly a bad decision"

[dense field]

I'm over comparing it to the original source material

I think it's a mess in terms of cinematography

[drowsy egret]

as its such a important step

every person has to see it

[dense field]

Dialogue as I said was next to garbage

Felt unnatural

Like when Gran Gran literally turned into sherlock holmes and connected all the dots then for some reason dropped a huge dunk on Aang for no reason

[full patrol]

oh ya compared to the original it's a mess and they didn't stay true to most of the characters or the order of the plot. But on it's own it's a decent show where I didn't feel like I wasted 8hrs of my life watching

[dense field]

Or every time Aang went "Im the Avatar"

Boy we get it
You have a responsibility

[full patrol]

whoever did Mei though her actress did a great job

[dense field]

Yes.

Her, Ozai, Iroh and Zuko and sometimes Sokka were great

Budget limitations really hit with live action. You know how they need to make use of prepared sets for the most

Having almost the same screentime as the animation, it somehow told less

Because of that I believe

Budget

[full patrol]

I feel like Iroh was a little too...witty isn't the right word... he got changed from quirky wise uncle to a little too serious uncle with jokes peppered in. Idk he didn't have the same uncle iroh charm but I still liked his character regardless

oh ya, budget for sure. Some of the outfits had printed patterns instead of actual embroidery or layering and it bothered me alot

[shell rapids]

hes not as confidentally goofy, just confident

[dense field]

I do also feel like Iroh wasn't exactly Iroh
First time watching I went "Iroh wouldn't do that" "Iroh wouldn't say that" but I liked his chemistry with Zuko

[full patrol]

admiral Xao can't believe they made him short, like half his thing was being taller than Zuko

[dense field]

Xd

Also the 41st Battalion's story was expanded to better in live action

[full patrol]

I haven't watched the entire thing yet, I'm about 1/2 way through

[dense field]

Oh mb

[shell rapids]

i def like this version of zhao better tho

[dense field]

Heeeelll nah

[full patrol]

not an issue, I'd assume if they're doing the ATLA story they're going to cover everything they can. I just don't know how they cover it all yet lol

[dense field]

And they're given green light for 2 more seasons

[full patrol]

I'm glad that so far they've kept in iconic things like the cabbage merchant, and the secret tunnel song, and the sledding in Omashu, etc

[dense field]

At this point I'm just waiting for the animated movie that'll come out in 2025

It'll tell a story from gaang's youth
Like before Korra

That'll be awesome

[full patrol]

My disappointment was immeasurable when Sokka did not throw his boomerang at Zuko in the southern watertribe village

[full patrol]

That's gonna be really good

[dense field]

[dense field]

Me want

[full patrol]

That's going to be so fun I hope it's a long movie and not just like 1.5 hours. I want as much of that story as we can get

[full patrol]

Rest in peace

[rigid sand]

RIP

[wintry marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-rainy-spongebob-cafe-cup-of-coffee-gif-975216890429859696

[rigid sand]

https://tenor.com/view/nature-vegeta-rain-serious-dragon-ball-z-gif-13693133

[nimble tree]

man

[crimson marlin]

Rip

[vestal cove]

NO WHAT