isle-discussion

[vapid laurel]

Doesn't Omni pin Galli or somethin'

[shrewd sky]

We planned some pt gaming cus I didn't see yet the ht map

[silk iron]

pt yaaaay

[wraith hound]

can i join ?

[shrewd sky]

Wanna join

[silk iron]

i might not be able to, subnautica 2 calls for me

[wheat coral]

It does yeah, when its full grown

[mild wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1500844024674910359/IMG_4405.gif

[shrewd sky]

Don't, play when it's out

[wraith hound]

i do

[pseudo sapphire]

If the Omni is big enough, I wasnt, barely even sub adult

[shrewd sky]

Ima wait for full game I would crave new things

[silk iron]

ima play it and hope my computer can handle it

[vapid laurel]

[shrewd sky]

We gonna play for like hour then we will see

[warm sapphire]

the full game will probs be finished in like another year or so, it's under active development

[shrewd sky]

2

[pseudo sapphire]

Id bet on 2, like the past games

[warm sapphire]

the game as it is now takes like 15hrs to complete

[pseudo sapphire]

the first one takes like 30 hours to more if you dont rush the game

[analog turret]

Slopnautica 2
||jk I'm desperate to play it||

[warm sapphire]

first game was so good man

[mild wagon]

ocean slop

[pseudo sapphire]

Yeeeah, simply a overwhelmingly good and interesting game AND world

[vapid laurel]

I bet it has water in it

[mild wagon]

ew ew ewww

[warm sapphire]

the lore pretty cool too

[pliant birch]

they said it will be EA for 2-3 years

[warm sapphire]

dayum

[pseudo sapphire]

"Too much water" - IGN

[vapid pumice]

waiting in reception sucks...

[wraith hound]

okay just let me know when and which server,assuming its on HT

[wheat moth]

Please keep your dog in its carrier.

[warm sapphire]

might have to eat the receptionist

[vapid pumice]

NO

[analog turret]

subnautica is a better game with food and water management turned off

[pseudo sapphire]

wait wait wait, is this on hordetest???
How did you make the colors work on another pattern????

[past dune]

NUH UH

[mild wagon]

better game with no ocean so i may play it

[analog turret]

Yes

It doesn't add to the experience as it's so easy to make trivial that it may aswell not be there

[wraith hound]

its an ancient technique shared by masters and inherited by every new master

[past dune]

Just because you progress out of it doesn't mean it doesn't add anything to the experience. Even if superficial in implementation, the feeling of survival wouldnt be nearly as present without it.

Removing it flattens the whole game.

[vapid laurel]

Dear god...

[analog turret]

If food and water was harder to come by in that game and was actually something you had to worry about, sure. But you can always go out if your sub and grab a bunch of random fish and voila, trivial mechanic

[pseudo sapphire]

Come onnnnn I tapped that on the new reddit, the only thing I didnt understand was how to use other patterns

[warm sapphire]

dubious creature

[analog turret]

The core of the game is exploration, and food and water are overcome within the first 5 minutes of the game.

If you turn it off, you still have the entirety of the game to explore, without the need to arbitrarily keep a couple of bars filled

Its not like long dark or DayZ where survival is actually a part of the game loop, subnautica had those elements tacked on as it was trendy at the time

[vapid laurel]

That to me sounds like a poorly designed food/water system and possibly by extent survival.
B u t I guess it depends on how much they wanna lean into survival over "go 'splore".

[analog turret]

And the go splore part is great

[mild wagon]

i read that as spore

[vapid laurel]

Spore.... ;-;

[analog turret]

It's like metroid prime in the ocean

[mild wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-shaking-car-gif-18172444298932988716

[wheat coral]

Food and water is still important in subnautica from a game design perspective

[analog turret]

It's really not

[vapid laurel]

[mild wagon]

bad bad scary bad ocean

[past dune]

It would feel weirder if it wasn't a thing, even in it's fairly bare bones form.

Also, its not entirely irrelevant in later stages of the game, making considerations for food and water while doing expeditions in the Cyclops is still interesting, even if lacking in mechanical weight.

The existence of survival mechanics doesn't detract more than it adds to the experience. It's a survival situation, you need to concern yourself with survival.

[keen breach]

Did we get a rollback in HT????

[teal mist]

i miss the cyclops

[vapid laurel]

-# Still hate what they did to the Cyclops...

[uneven hamlet]

Could we do something about stamina hacks in this game?

[wheat coral]

It really is, it makes it so the player has to take a second every so often, go back to a base and sort some things out. Without it itd be much much easier to just blitz toward the end with no worry. It helps to pace out the game experience and incentivizes having fairly easy access to a fabricator

[hoary sage]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[silk iron]

hi you do the normal skin stuff but take away the dinos name and change the 000 at the start to change the pattern, you can check what numbers to use by changing to the pattern u like and exporting it to see what the first 3 numbers after the dinos name are

and when u do that u change to the pattern u want and then copy paste it

[pseudo sapphire]

I change usually only the numbers but didnt even notice the dino name... lemme see

[analog turret]

It doesn't feel like that as I can just go out my ship and grab a bunch of little fish and throw em in the microwave, and you still have the narrative of surviving on an alien world without because there are animals that kill you and you can drown.

Food and water doesnt add to it as its so easy to overcome at every step of the way.

[silk iron]

no more gatekeeping a bug that'll probably be patched very soon smh

[analog turret]

You already do that having to make stuff from blueprints you find, or get air, or just make things you need to progress

Or just base build ofcourse

[lost musk]

👋

[silk iron]

cwaSSO

[pseudo sapphire]

OHHH it doooooooooes thankssssss

[wheat coral]

Its not meant to be a super difficult thing to overcome, its something you're supposed to manage in the background while doing other things

[hoary furnace]

hey guys im back on the game after a few years and im on the dino den. i saw rex and allo and everything appear but now theyre not showing up again how do i access them do i need to select something? its only showing cera, carno etc

[wheat coral]

Play on a server that isn't dino den

[elder harbor]

is it known/normal for you to not be able to smell sanc in ht?

[silk iron]

dinoden locks rex n stuff, not often tho just keep refreshing

[vapid pumice]

we're blue...!

[wheat coral]

What creature are you?

[silk iron]

kill your blue siblings

[analog turret]

And thus, takes away from the overall experience, in my eyes

[vapid laurel]

I can see both sides honestly

On one hand, food and water can feel so easy to come by that what they add the experience is very small. Pair that with the system itself being VERY simplistic, it can just kinda get in the way of wanting to explore the game, arguably the most fleshed out aspect.

On the other, even if it's simple in this sense, the game is still technically a survival game. And every survival game worth it's salt has food and water. Something to remind the player "Hey! Don't forget to manage this now and then!" The absence of that, while not terribly impacting, would diminish that survival aspect even more and take away certain moments of management (such as when going on big exploration trips).

In conclusion: The Isle should get blue javas added as a new dietary food source.

[wheat coral]

Agree to disagree

[hoary furnace]

im just trying to play the game dude can i get an answer

[elder harbor]

PT; if you're not supposed to smell it as a PT, does anybody know... what the heck it takes to become prime?

[wheat coral]

Dino den specifically locks certain playables behind a paywall.

[hoary furnace]

whaaaattt

[wheat coral]

Ptera can't smell sanctuaries

[silk iron]

you can just wait til someone unlocks it, keep refreshing

[hoary furnace]

thats absurd why do so many people play it

[pliant birch]

ok actual answers, 1: dont play dinoden as they are very scummy, they also spoof playercounts, they do lootboxes too, they also do dino pop control.

[mild wagon]

alot of them "players" are fake

[vapid laurel]

Lootboxes?

[analog turret]

What is a blue Java

[hoary furnace]

oh ok will try. ive played petits in the past so will probably just stick to that thanks everyone

[silk iron]

gambling too....

[mild wagon]

blue minecraft

[analog turret]

Is that Jurassic World crossover?

[silk iron]

try out mettas den if you want an unofficial just like officials with minimal rules

[elder harbor]

i prefer the way petits does it, it only locks creatures because of population control. If there are too many rexes, it locks rexes to avoid it becoming a very unfun snoozefest

[wheat coral]

Word of warning, petits also has population control, more likely than not you won't be able to select things like rex and allo

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stewert-rage-pissed-off-angry-gif-189652034235049225

[hoary furnace]

hmmm ok thanks guys will try out some different servers

[void marlin]

Cockatiel

[elder harbor]

try metta's den!

[wheat coral]

Metta's is good

[void marlin]

Why are you red

[vapid laurel]

No bloo jabba nananas

[void marlin]

Bananas...

[woeful cove]

Which is a very good thing btw

[clever matrix]

As convenient as shorefishing is, I much prefer snatching the schools from the waters surface.

[wheat coral]

Not if you're someone who's wanting to play rex or allo

[analog turret]

You can bypass pop control by asking someone to unlock a playable you want anyway in Petits

[elder harbor]

by this i mean, does touching sanctuary not count for pt anymore? i used to be able to get prime pretty reliably but now i'm wondering if something changed

[lost musk]

is austro out yet?

[silk iron]

no....

[mild wagon]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[woeful cove]

just pick another dino then, there's plenty to choose from

[vapid pumice]

so many...

[lost musk]

oh..

what about now?

[silk iron]

oh my god blueberry patch

[mild wagon]

i am holding my breath till austro comes out

[woeful cove]

rip

[silk iron]

no......

[mild wagon]

nah dw i got big lungs

[lost musk]

oh.. i see...

what about now?

[silk iron]

no!!

[void marlin]

Am I Ian? Or Ian is I?

[lost musk]

[void marlin]

YES

[woeful cove]

not big enough, trust

[wet mesa]

Bread

[void marlin]

Bread

[woeful cove]

lil potatoes so cute

[wet mesa]

Bread?

[lost musk]

Hey Islanders,

We're deploying a new build. You may need to restart your Steam client if the update is not immediately available to download.

Hordetesting - 0.21.61

Enabled Austroraptor as a playable class
Adjusted Dilophosaurus venom visuals
Fixed Troodon and Dilophosaurus sharing venom effects
Added mangroves
Changes to Elder system growth curves
Tweaks to Fish AI Movement

[void marlin]

Bread

[mild wagon]

yooo since when did my celling have stars

[wet mesa]

Bred

[lost musk]

no dont get excited its fake again

😔

[wet mesa]

You bread

[mild wagon]

ahh there we go i can breath again

[shrewd sky]

Why are you stinky

[void marlin]

How could you do that...

[woeful cove]

U deserve punishment worse then death for making me belive ts was real even if that was for a single nano second

[lost musk]

i.. im..

im coping.. im.. im sorry

[void marlin]

I'm disappointed in you.

[lost musk]

[ruby oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435149693431844887/1506742619248525413/05111.gif

[ruby oak]

oh dear

[void marlin]

oh deer

[grand grotto]

oh deer

[hoary furnace]

oh goat

[void marlin]

oh allosaurus

[lost musk]

you have to edit ur skin inside the egg now

[grand grotto]

oh ceratosaurus

[mint talon]

everything was okey unti fish fix fake detector

[inner juniper]

GOOOOOOD MORNING ISLECORD

[lost musk]

[lost musk]

whats so good about it huh? huh? whats SO GOOD about ANYTHING? as long as austroraptor isnt in my hands NOTHING will EVER been anything even REMOTELY CLOSE to being GOOD

[inner juniper]

Counterpoint:

Gallimimus.

[shadow axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nessie-vibing-apex-legends-rainbow-gif-24197667

[lost musk]

NO

[shadow axle]

holy goat

[elder harbor]

at least austro is even gonna be a thing... there's probably never gonna be a quetzl

[inner juniper]

Hey at least your favorite is being worked on.

[lost musk]

but its been delayed 😔

[inner juniper]

Quetzalcoatlus is confirmed and has work done.

[elder harbor]

my tiny little heart..... surely you jest....... this is the best day....

[inner juniper]

MINE IS LAST ON THE LIST HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL!

[inner juniper]

Iirc its coming relatively soon?

[onyx garnet]

who is the one other person im playing with on HT US3?

[wheat moth]

https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//10915315/3cf4099662156d79503e0d084ba1511efb65fe95.gif

[mild wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1466999697783918759/caption.gif

[shadow axle]

ooo i kinda hope quetz prime or frail gets tattered wings like a distinct fade

[wraith hound]

a bit of an overreaction, eh ?

[inner juniper]

MY GOAT MEGALANIA is last on the playable list

[shrewd sky]

No

[wheat moth]

[shadow axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1501350326953836714/Meme_yoink.gif

[onyx garnet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/grave-gravestone-empty-56MCwZ3SCzp1NjSirn

[wheat moth]

Great .gif! Fantastic .gif!

[inner juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/immortal-megalania-the-isle-gif-219945042966879861

[shadow axle]

[analog turret]

Megalaniaaaaaaa

[shrewd sky]

Spreading misinformation

[wraith hound]

pt gameplay when ?

[lost musk]

aw its not all bad, yknow i just drew a concept for megalania yesterday if it makes you feel better

[shrewd sky]

Tomorrow

[inner juniper]

I know i saw

Youre on to something I think with the temperature things

[elder harbor]

i thought i was being PUNKED.... quetzl is REAL... the sun is RISING and the cherubs are SINGING

[mild wagon]

minmi is last my struggle is worse then your struggle

[analog turret]

minmi grenade niche

[shadow axle]

lies

[inner juniper]

Wait it got replaced by minmi?

[brisk tinsel]

Either i starved to death or fight a rex vs troodon

[mild wagon]

yes yes, and also bary is after them because i deserve nothing

[shadow axle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jesus-mohammed-muhammad-5SGV5BbCivjUAsjei1

[analog turret]

I wish we had more aquatic herbs

[inner juniper]

Listen i remember distinctly the last time I saw it was either quetzalcoatlus or megalania was lowest priority on playable development.

And since quetzalcoatlus has been shown animations and the like, I could only assume

[analog turret]

It's only minmi and cherry (omni) atm right?

[mild wagon]

1 sec

[shadow axle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/uruUpoYmPB6M0

[inner juniper]

It was a thing don was talking about a while ago.

[wraith hound]

damn okay, i thought today

[teal mist]

brachiosaurus is the lowest priority

[manic fulcrum]

I don’t remember Quetz being a lower priority, I remember I think Kissen said years ago it was closer than we think

[mild wagon]

theres a order in a dev blog

[shadow axle]

facts

[manic fulcrum]

Though Kissen also said recently they may shift around some priorities

[shrewd sky]

I literally said tomorrow

[inner juniper]

This was a while back, don said that "the lowest priority playable is either quetzalcoatlus or megalania"

And when I saw quetzalcoatlus had animations and stuff done I fell to my knees

[pliant birch]

hi salty

[manic fulcrum]

I do hope Megalania is pushed up in priority

[mild wagon]

i dont have it but the order( that may change and cant be nailed down) is austro ovi bary (ava?) camara quetz para

[shadow axle]

you mean yesterday right?

[manic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-grievous-2003-star-wars-clone-wars-gif-9746724879074554483

[mild wagon]

here

[midnight kernel]

Kissen mentioned she was working on burrowing last time Fozor came up a few days back. So id expect meg might get bumped in priority as its a burrow hunter once all the little burrowers are in

[inner juniper]

Yea, which means that unfortunately (unless anything changed behind the scenes) megalania is the lowest priority playable

[mild wagon]

thats is true very sad for lizard lovers

[mild wagon]

take this with a pound of salt tho

[midnight kernel]

Also thats just the next 10 dinos list theres a lot more after that lol

[inner juniper]

To me I am ok with it somewhat.

[mild wagon]

take it how i take minmi, when it does release the game will be in a muchhh better state(hopefully)

[inner juniper]

Megalania is likely gonna be very complex, having several mechanics some of which arent in game yet

[midnight kernel]

Which ones? Meg only needs burrowing i think?

Climbing, venom, swimming are in

[inner juniper]

Have you guys seen my concept plan for megalania?

[manic fulcrum]

One you posted yesterday?

[inner juniper]

Yea

[midnight kernel]

Ah your concept of it got it

[manic fulcrum]

You should totally post it again so I don’t have to go scrolling for it

[inner juniper]

Give me a sec.

[mild wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1506726503776522310/Megalania_Concept-1.jpg?ex=6a0ff8a8&is=6a0ea728&hm=d8eb61e112c8b192975b879daa791540143903018b42f835d27a01f110b9b2fb&

this the offical one for reference

[inner juniper]

This is the official one and I will be posting my unofficial one in a moment

TEXT WALL INCOMING A

[mild wagon]

yay

[inner juniper]

MEGALANIA CONCEPT IDEA:

Size: 1000kg at adult (1300 at elder)
Speed: 43 kmph
Stamina drain during sprint(from full to empty): 1 minute and 20 seconds
Trot speed: relatively fast

Abilities:
Climbing: Megalania (up to 400kgs) is capable of climbing trees at a relatively fast pace. Once past the 400kg mark, megalania cannot climb anymore. But when it goes down a tree or cliff face, it'll slide down like a cat on a curtain if it goes too fast

Venom: Megalanias bite injects a venom into the animal it bites, while this venom has an upper size limit of effectiveness, on what it does effect it causes severe Bleed damage, with the only remedy being time and some mud to slow the bleeding.

Burrowing Megalania can expand burrow entrances to raid them, and use them as a base of operations.

Attacks:

Lmb, bite: the megalania bites the animal, dealing 150 damage and inflicting its venom. This move does not inject venom on tail shots.
Alt Lmb, claw swipe: Megalania gets an omnidirectional claw swipe that can be used when not sprinting, this deals around 125 damage and has high end lag, best used for self defense against similar sized animals

Rmb, grapple: Yes, megalania joins the pinslop a little. When an animal is smaller than half the size of megalania, it will become pinned, but animals larger than that will get grappled for a moment, slowing their speed as the megalania bites down on them dealing 200 damage before releasing this also releases venom.

Alt rmb tail whip: Megalania slaps its tail in front of itself and it can be aimed upwards relatively high, it deals only 50 damage but also does minor fracture damage and stuns on headshot for things up to allosaurus' weight. This move has high end lag and should be used as a "get outta here" attack.

[hardy robin]

i wonder if the verification process could be more vague... (i think not possible)

[stone tiger]

[manic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-2-islands-2023-bbc-nature-documentary-simosuchus-clarki-gif-7400620527437904846

[stone tiger]

I like that challenge

[shrewd sky]

That was like 3hours ago ey

[mild wagon]

i feel making it slower but giving it a ambush boost is better no?

[inner juniper]

Id say having its Trot be a good pace makes up for it. Besides I feel megalania already has a lot on it

Its high speed is dual purpose, specifically for ambushing and getting the hell outta there when something like an allo appears

[hybrid basin]

Not everything needs ambush
In fact nothing does

[vital onyx]

megalania mention

[vital onyx]

i would vomit

[mild wagon]

true true

[mild wagon]

i have changed my mind on it you no longer have too

[hybrid basin]

I thought you didn't like megalania

[stone tiger]

Okay but I replied

[vital onyx]

give me venom speed boost or give me necrotic venom or give me death

[stone tiger]

I replied to his ping

[lost musk]

here i was going off of kissen's statement about megalania being "Itll probably be slow and sluggish, till its not" or something like that

[inner juniper]

You get anticoagulant venom

[vital onyx]

https://imgur.com/gallery/P9aYf7M

[shrewd sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1467575169919881260/caption.gif

[inner juniper]

Maybe combine it with my concept

[vital onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194686206747873300/1467004586320461834/feralanimal.gif

[inner juniper]

ITS A VARANID.

VARANIDS HAVE ANTICOAGULANT VENOM.

THEIR MOUTHS ARENT THAT STINKY

[vital onyx]

i am aware of the anticoagulant venom

i just really want necrotic venom

[hybrid basin]

Hmmm
Megalania being able to go into a kind of "berserk" state could be a concept

[inner juniper]

I mean anticoagulant venom does cause necrosis

[vital onyx]

the mob mentality kicks in and a singular dryosaur gets swarmed by 20 megalanias

[inner juniper]

I personally was thinking of ising temperature

[manic fulcrum]

The only things I’d really change is

1: give it just a bit more stamina

2: Because Megalania is relatively smallish, it’ll grow somewhat fast. So the climbing is gonna go by before you can truly utilize it. I’d let the adults climb similar to how bears do. They can climb thick trees and such but any branch is snapping

3: I’d prefer it’s venom to be a bit more than just “bleed +”. I’d make it so it still deals a good amount of bleed, but not like an allosaurus or whatnot. It would instead prevent bleed from healing altogether as long as you don’t wallow. Basically: decent but not oppressive bleed, at the cost of forcing you to search out mud (maybe making Megalania capable of running in mud)

[vital onyx]

whatever. go, my mosquitolania

[inner juniper]

For the second part I took reference with the concept art, as it shows an adult trying to climb but it fails miserably.

[hybrid basin]

But then that's mostly a day/night speed boost

[vital onyx]

i would like to continue discussing this but primal carnage extinction forces full screen

[half bluff]

WHich channel can be used to 'promote' a website with an interative map and some cool features for Evrima?

[wheat coral]

What if you didnt let it do that?

[hybrid basin]

Also I wouldn't mind mega being able to climb at all stages of growth
Although less efficiently and more slowly as it gains weight

There's only herreras in the trees, they deserve a bit more life

[mild wagon]

is thiss a megalania guys?

[vital onyx]

that would involve a third party program to install and I’d rather not

[inner juniper]

No

[manic fulcrum]

Yeah, personally It just puts me off putting the work into giving it climbing, when it’s likely only gonna utilize it for a short period of growth for an already relatively fast growing animal

[mild wagon]

ohhhhh

[ruby oak]

I dont see why you cant post it here, Vulnona gets posted here a lot

[wheat coral]

Sailback lizard (iirc)

[elder harbor]

loving the idea of perching in a tree watching a teno absolutely book it running from one of these beasts

[mild wagon]

ik ik i am doing a funny haha

[wheat coral]

Why not, there's like, a 20 percent chance its not a virus

[inner juniper]

Tho in all honesty I wouldnt mind megalania having a "berserk" state

[lost musk]

i think mud is too... how do i put this.. uhh.. static? for looking out for mud to be actually looking out for it and not just "oh ik theres mud right here ill go wallow right now and the megalania cant do anything about it"

idk how you'd do it, but just make it so you actually need to look for it, have mud puddles dynamically spawn/despawn in certain set areas, could depend on the weather too so that megalania would excel hunting in droughts or something

[vapid laurel]

I kinda hope Megalania can still climb to an extent as an adult. Less so Herrera, more so just really good at mantling n such.

[manic fulcrum]

Like it’s a neat part of its gameplay, though I’d like to see climbing for it more so “get worse” over time rather than just losing it altogether

[inner juniper]

Maybe if it tries to sprint up trees THATS when it does the funny slide down

[wheat coral]

Megalania tries to climb a tree after a hypsi, turns around to see a rex staring at it at eye level

[vapid laurel]

Mmmmhmmmmm

[mild wagon]

droughts my own and only❤️

[manic fulcrum]

So maybe as a Juvie you start off super energetic, able to climb everything and all. Around Sub you start to lose your momentum but you can still climb a bit

You reach adult and any branch just makes you fall down, & you can no longer reliably sprint up trees

[hybrid basin]

Maybe like in Zelda BotW when you try to climb fast during the rain

You have a high chance of sliding a few meters, wasting your stamina

[vapid laurel]

🦎

[blazing jolt]

maybe allow it to climb the larger tree trunks / rock faces but not go into branches

[lost musk]

lmao i love the idea of sprinting up trees an adult being unreliable almost like a gamble

sprinting up a tree for your life with 4 carnos on your tail and youre barely scrambling past praying you dont slip

[manic fulcrum]

Fair points

[inner juniper]

Btw how do yall like megalania's tail self defense weapon

The survival strat mostly for megalania when facing things much larger than you is kinda

1. Dip into the water or burrow

Or

2. run into the bush and hide

[mild wagon]

goddamn

[wide dock]

Like every other small tier

[wheat coral]

3rd option, do your best to not get seen in the first place

[inner juniper]

More megalania is great at it because despite its size

It pretty short

[wide dock]

Ye its baiscally lying down

[manic fulcrum]

It’s so low to the ground

[analog turret]

mega just slapping things in the face for a stun or something would be cool

[half bluff]

<@&933486433342222376> I would like to promote an interactive map similar to vulnona, but waaaaay cooler, which channel can I use for that? I just tried this one, but the post instantly got deleted (maybe because of the link?)

[manic fulcrum]

I personally like the idea of Megalania having almost a “pseudo armor” where it would only take 1X damage (same as body) on the head

[mild wagon]

cuz that fat neck

[lost musk]

are you the guy who was making that live map where it actively tracks your location

[inner juniper]

Thats the idea I had for its tail whip. Along with the ability for fracture DAMAGE leading to actual fractures after a few hits

[half bluff]

I am not him, but I belong to the same team 😄

[analog turret]

id be okay with this, fractures should be a bit more general imo

when/if we get severities I mean

[lost musk]

meg's tail is small thin and floppy, i dont see it stunning an ALLO, but i do see meg being able to trip stuff with how short it is 😏

[inner juniper]

Essentially its a way of punishing a dinosaur for repeated attacks against a megalania

[inner juniper]

That tail is anything BUT floppy

[manic fulcrum]

Which I think I said yesterday, but fractures SERIOUSLY need to be looked at before we give it to more animals. Either lowering the effect all together, or making it a severity system

[lost musk]

hm.. i mustve misremembered

but heck if a teno's tail cant stun an allo i dont see a megalania's tail doing it

[inner juniper]

Fair, the reason why I had it is so megalania can run away

[austere kayak]

even a minor fracture vs major fracture difference would be nice

[inner juniper]

It aint necessarily BUILT to fight an allosaurus, so your best option would be to stun it with a slap and run for the bushes

[silk iron]

give broken jaw mechanic.. preventing the ability to eat, drink or scream......

[austere kayak]

do animals need jaw movement to scream?

[inner juniper]

Also for megalania's speed, I based it on komodo dragons being deceptively quick (the deer is not harmed in the video)

[silk iron]

i'd like to break a big juvi rexes jaw and just stalk him to prevent him from healing

[lost musk]

my idea was just to make it so megalania genuinely isnt worth picking on in the first place unless youre 100% positive you can do it no-hit

if you find it first, youre better off just leaving it be, cause if you get bit, even if it wont be fatal, it should be an agonizing experience you wouldnt want to experience

megalania picks who it wants to fight, and if it finds you first, then youre in for a tough ride

[silk iron]

no but its a game and logic doesnt apply

[austere kayak]

it does make a nice starting point tho

[inner juniper]

The way I have it is kinda similar.

Megalania can stun you on a headshot and possibly bite you before running into the underbrush like a goblin.

[silk iron]

i think screaming with a broken jaw would hurt though so why would you do it!

[austere kayak]

i think theres an argument to made that vocalizing with a broken jaw slows its healing

[tawny surge]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-grab-pet-petting-gif-23800535

[elder harbor]

i think the real question is how could you have a broken jaw nad not scream . broken face bones hurt

[silk iron]

break a ceras jaw and make him unable to charge bite without taking 5 damage per second HIRE me

[silk iron]

if my jaw was broken i would try my hardest to not move it and screaming would be moving my jaw

[inner juniper]

Docktor what do you think of the funny megalania idea?

[austere kayak]

i think he meant like wimpering in pain

[vapid laurel]

The who the wha I've been tabbing in and out lmao

[silk iron]

screaming is not whimpering!!

[inner juniper]

Right here @vapid laurel

[austere kayak]

okay wailing then u know what we mean

[silk iron]

i just want broken jaw to remove the ability to 1 call for backup nothing more

[austere kayak]

tbh if i was vulnerable and in the presence of an animal that wanted to kill me i dont think a broken jaw would keep me from calling out

[tiny burrow]

This guy has a point

When tap/hold to call comes back, maybe head fractures should only allow the tapped calls to happen.

[silk iron]

this is better since i forgot about the tap hold call

[austere kayak]

i didn't even know about tap call

[silk iron]

i just want to break somethings jaw and watch them suffer

[tiny burrow]

No one does since it hasn't worked for years

[silk iron]

mainly juvi rexes

[lost musk]

make it so you have to wait 5 seconds to type each letter in chat, and if you get damaged again you have to start all over again

[austere kayak]

i love how the broken jaw itself isn't enough suffering for u

couldn't it be neck damage that hinders vocalization?

[silk iron]

its never enough, enable a broken rib system that pierces ur lung if u go below 50% stam and u slowly suffocate!!!!

[austere kayak]

okay now we're talkin

[silk iron]

so true

pachy will be meta!

[silk iron]

i think neck damage should just paralyze

[tiny burrow]

Ok who killed the bot in the feedback channels. Speak up

[silk iron]

badideaslop oh this is so awesome

[austere kayak]

i didn't mean to do it was an accident i swear i was just trying to stop him im sorry i didn't mean to do it

[vapid laurel]

Interesting indeed!

• For climbing, I agree with Salty that it'd be a little better if it were more so a gradual loss of effectiveness rather than suddenly losing the ability (or most of it) the moment you pass a certain threshold.
• The venom I definitely like. Anti-coagulant venom is very fitting for a fat Komodo, though personally I'd like to see it lean a bit more towards keeping the prey bleeding over more bleed damage. (I'm also a tad biased because I feel most fights/hunts are way too quick right now).
• The tail whip I really like, but it's hard to imagine it being used in front of itself without looking strange. Something more like Teno's tailslam where it's strictly behind it might be better (Also love the fracture damage mwahaha)

Overall a very solid idea that makes me more sad that Megalania is so far out 👍

[tiny burrow]

I sentence you to clean up after the herd of maia

[vapid laurel]

[austere kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[silk iron]

i hope megalania will be ceras worst enemy

[inner juniper]

Think of it instead of megalania kind of curling its body into the tail swipe

[tiny burrow]

Knowing current cera, megalania will perish on sight

[silk iron]

maybe megalania will become the new cera

[stone tiger]

Active ragdoll moment

[vapid laurel]

Cerato's current design disappoints me 🙁

[austere kayak]

why do people dog on cera so much? in my experience all that bacteria bite doesn't really do much

[lost musk]

active ragdoll would suck because how would you be able to have a seamless recovery animation without the dinosaur snapping into a premade one

[vapid laurel]

Hm. Honestly if done well, it could be really disturbing seeing something that big go WHAPPA....in a good way of course.

[winged anchor]

agility, strong bite, speed, bile. It is by far one of the best and potent carnivore.

[inner juniper]

Megalania and cera for my idea are kinda rivals.

Megalania is kinda tanky and isnt effected by bile. Combined with its insane bleed capacity and stun, megalania and cera if both on a corpse theres a good chance one may die

[tiny burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-goldbergs-hysterical-sad-so-sad-gif-13223338

[lost musk]

hmmm the more u talk about it the better it sounds

[silk iron]

now this is peak

[stone tiger]

Press H to safelog

[orchid lion]

Hate those creatures

[stone tiger]

Like in RDR2

[vapid laurel]

It's just kinda good at everything and, for me at least, is really boring since it kinda goes against its original description: Not that impressive at hunting with mediocre damage, but GREAT at scavenging and thwarting things off with its durability and bacterial bite.

Instead it can do these things and is great at hunting/fighting overall...so it's just really lame design wise.

[silk iron]

i wonder when we'll get a dino that just sprawls out like a bulldog in its sleep animation

[stone tiger]

RDR2 has active ragdoll and the character stands up with a premade animation

[vapid laurel]

(Plus its segment in the trailer for it outright lies about how bacteria functions)

[stone tiger]

You have not played RDR2?

[inner juniper]

Like how the animation in my head looks is kinda:

turns body to an angle and WHIPS the posterior part around to hit

[lost musk]

i wouldve loved it to be the honey badger type of animal in terms of its combat

"you dont like me and i dont like you, so just dont come near me and we'll both be alright"

basically an encounter with a cerato should SUCK for you in the aftermath, but a cerato also shouldnt be able to force one upon you if you get what i mean

just let me go do my garbaging duties and leave me be, if i want to steal your food, i will

[inner juniper]

If there was a komodo dragon using its tail gif that didnt have an animal under duress (usually another komodo just getting smacked by the tail) id show yall what i mean

[lost musk]

draw over it frame by frame and send it

[vapid laurel]

Mmmhm. And I totally get that it's tricky to get that working right since, like with bleed in some cases, if you can't immediately threaten something enough to thwart it off...it can just power through your defenses, kill you, THEN deal with the consequences.

[inner juniper]

I am not a good animator

What makes you think I could pull off rotoscopy

[vapid laurel]

I'd just really love to try Cerato out with less overall damage, slower charged bite ramp up and speed, and a gradual bacterial bite with its own proper debuff to compensate.

[elder harbor]

ok sorry this is off topic but no matter how many times i go into my settings for ht i can't get the 'walk/trot' toggle to stop being my LMB?

[inner juniper]

Look up "komodo dragon tail whip gif" and look at the one posted on reddit

Its smacking another komodo in it

Think that, but faster and thats what im saying.

[jagged pulsar]

agreed. The tail whip could be used to the side as well I imagine though, not just restricted to behind itself. Perhaps not to the effective range of stego or kentro, but a halfway between that and teno.

[elder harbor]

Picking up a clam is what resets it. How am I supposed to bash this against a rock 😭 is this a bug or am I just missing a huge core mechanic change in ht

[stone tiger]

Hello there wildertwink

[vapid laurel]

No clue but that's strange as hell

[inner juniper]

@vital onyx hey question:

Would a monitor lizard smacking a big cat in the face with its tail be considered "under duress?"

[vital onyx]

yeah I wouldn’t post that

[lost musk]

thing is, those aftermath consequences should suck even when you deal with them, like seriously it wouldnt even be worth it

i'd say make cerato better at self defense, and way worse at offense

like heck, this is a flaming hot inferno of a take, but i'd say give it CC on its charged bite (only stuns, no knockdowns at all) only when you're NOT sprinting (with a minimum time you have to be trotting beforehand so you dont sprint, suddenly stop and then bite)

the cc increases the slower you're moving, and when youre by a corpse it can increase more

but to compensate you could make it suck way way more at offense, have it be the pure self defense body stealer animal, make it so the speed debuff happens instantly while charging a bite and last a bit more after? maybe even more

[inner juniper]

Aight yea just wanted yo check because I wanted to give an animation example to explain what I think the megalania tail whip could look like and I didnt wanna post one under duress

[elder harbor]

Notably, I also have two entries for 'rest'. I have H, and I have Z. This is fine because I have my walk/trot set to one of my mouse buttons. But I also have two walk/trot settings. I'm gonna report the bug but send the images here to link to. (I haven't messed with the rest settings but trot keeps resetting to LMB and Ctrl+LMB upon clam pickup lmfao)

[lost musk]

its distress

[inner juniper]

Ok idea.

What if this is added with corpse buff

[lost musk]

wdym

[elder harbor]

+1 ""Distress" refers to a state of pain, suffering, or discomfort, either physical or emotional. This term can encompass a broad range of experiences, from financial hardship to emotional anguish. "Duress", on the other hand, specifically denotes compulsion or force exerted upon someone to make them act against their will." -difference.wiki

[inner juniper]

The charge bite CC

[lost musk]

O OF TODAY AND YESTERDAY gosh i keep forgetting

[lost musk]

you mean it only happens when youre near a corpse?

[inner juniper]

A sufficiently large one yea.

[lost musk]

hmm idk if duress works in that context then

[inner juniper]

In this instance it does because the monitor lizards likely wouldnt smack the leopard if it wasnt gonna get hurt

[lost musk]

still kind of removes the point, then its not that accessible and doesnt enforce that defense playstyle as much

[inner juniper]

Maybe have it be both?

While normal its active only when stationary, if a cerato has its chuff buff, all bets are off

[dark thicket]

Did not think googles AI would get it this correct

[elder harbor]

yeah i mean it's scraping our chats for that data lmfao

[lost musk]

that sounds good

[dark thicket]

might be scraping EQG

[lost musk]

para isnt in there

the order is all WRONG

[inner juniper]

I wish I had docktors skills to illustrate what I mean but ill explain the best I can in text with a scenario.

Lets say a ceratosaurus gets spotted by a carno and they square up, cerato can use the CC ability when being still like you said.

But lets say a cerato rolls up on a corpse that the carno killed, with the buff active, ceratosaurus can use the ability, and imo should also gain a good bit of CC resistance

[dark thicket]

oh wait it is uisng this site to read the devblogs https://www.theisle-game.com/en/news 😭

[stone tiger]

Okay mate @inner juniper
You are having a discussion with who?

[inner juniper]

Glazed and docktor

[stone tiger]

I didn't realise

[inner juniper]

It good

[dark thicket]

i missed these https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//10915315/3d624917211d1e2ecfde25e941dd535495dbc323.gif

https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//10915315/560d06c4b209c1633fe54b54c4099ff50c703f56.gif wonder how its nests will change

[past dune]

...

[dark thicket]

I mean, it is correct, but it got lucky that it read from a fan website that had posted the devblogs, could just as well gotten it from a reddit page that was all wrong

[wraith hound]

AI Dryo made this possible <3

[stone tiger]

Hypsi goes into the circular hole

[wraith hound]

hypsi squirrel niche :D

[vapid laurel]

One idea I had when it comes to the bacteria bite is making it kinda stack in a sense and just uh....be awful. Hear me out:

• Bacteria gain for victims is no longer instant, but slowly builds up over time.
• Further bites do not increase the build up speed, but extend the duration.
• Sickness threshold is no longer tied to the victim's current hunger and instead their max hunger.
• Reaching maximum bacteria causes Vomit Sickness like now, but also inflicts a unique debuff (let's just call it "Cerato Sickness" for now) that decreases most stats for the victim, similar to old malnutrition.
• Vomiting from a Cerato's bite again further worsens these debuffs, making the victim more and more vulnerable and weak.
• Salt and time will cure Cerato Sickness.

The goal is that Cerato's bacterial bite becomes loses some immediate offensive power, but is much much worse to receive on the defensive. The longer you fight with a Cerato, the worse it will get for you. Of course, it is still size dependent and requires multiple bites to fully kick in. It being gradual also solves cheesy moments such as smaller animals instantly vomiting from just one bite Kentro. Also very important to note, this is all assuming Cerato gets other changes to encourage a more defensive play style.

Would it work? Pff I unno but hey, worth a shot

[vapid pumice]

who else frying chicken at 9am

my trike died a horrible death to troodons and it made me so upset i took chicken out of the fridge and started frying it

i like to imagine its the troodon

[vital onyx]

i love mauling people as an emu

[wraith hound]

i only fry myself at 9am

[sterile lotus]

So EU2 just crashed.. Does that mean they once again whipe it then? -_-

[idle roost]

I've been pounding down burgers like its y2k
Onions, spicy brown mustard, ketchup

[past dune]

Lore accurate emu

[vital onyx]

according to the little info tidbit on the skin, it says that they just accidentally hatched the wrong egg

implying that any bird raised by phoenix international could join the dinosaur horde

the game is so funny

[vapid laurel]

https://imgur.com/gallery/SN7pIYi

[vapid pumice]

my oil was too hot so the flour got crispy on the outside before the inside is done so now i have to bake them after i fry them

[dark thicket]

yeah the bacteria needs some kind of delay

[void marlin]

Make Hypsi 12 tons

[vapid laurel]

-# Like the trailer depicted

[dark thicket]

didnt even know that lol

[vapid laurel]

I know it was a cinematic trailer and not literal gameplay, but it was still explaining how the new features worked lmao

[vital onyx]

meanwhile I cooked a steak earlier and it was beautiful

[vapid laurel]

Cerato bites Carno, Carno runs the hell away, THEN it vomits....
thatain'thowitworks

[wraith hound]

that bird has to be the biggest troll the komodo has ever met xd

[vapid laurel]

[void marlin]

Hi im legal name

[void marlin]

[tacit dragon]

anyone wanna help a brother out...

save a starving croc

[void marlin]

No, sorry

[void marlin]

They added Emu to The Isle? Omg!! I can't wait to pinslop everyone in my way

[ruby oak]

where...?

[noble dirge]

wen spino

[void marlin]

In rule 10 #rules-and-info

[noble dirge]

boring

[void marlin]

Too bad, you can't ask for ETAs

[noble dirge]

so nobody's got a clue?

[wheat coral]

There is no eta

[noble dirge]

it's been 6 years 😂

[dark thicket]

devblog 66

[wraith hound]

ngl i like this night system its not to dark but not to bright either ^^

[dawn stratus]

just whenever its done

[void marlin]

You'll have to wait more

[viral shale]

Wah wah

[noble dirge]

im gonna be retired by the time they release it

[viral shale]

Next year is possible

[void marlin]

It can be launched today or in 900 years. We don't know when and won't/can't ask it

[halcyon burrow]

woah who could have guessed that something they havent been working on for 6 years still isnt done 🤯

[vapid laurel]

Kinda weird seeing the sky not be infinite overcast

[noble dirge]

so what have they been working on

[wraith hound]

what does infinite overcast mean ?

[void marlin]

1 call with the moon as a background please tanks

[dark thicket]

Evrima/recode has been the only/main focus for 6 years, but didnt they start work on it in 2019 so it has been a thing for 7 years?

[lost musk]

That is way too bright considering you have nv off

If this was the brightness WITH nv I’d love it

[wraith hound]

sorry gotta wait til night again its becoming morning

[vapid laurel]

I'm used to Isle's skies just being overcast all the time. This overexposed ugly white
More obvious in the day though.

[void marlin]

Dang it :(

[lost musk]

Legacy’s been said to be 11 years old since it released but not since it’s started work

[vapid laurel]

Wait isn't Spino on the recent roster list or something

[dawn stratus]

its planned but it's still gonna be a while

[void marlin]

It is in the future roster list indeed

[vapid laurel]

[wraith hound]

can give you this though for now :D

[void marlin]

I love it

[vapid laurel]

Yeah like that! It's just an ugly gray all the time ;o;

[sacred sandal]

I am keen to see Para ingame

[void marlin]

I see Paras all the time (I'm on Legacy)

[sacred sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-invincible-omni-man-gif-5616820831685056542

[dusty dawn]

What is roster list?

[halcyon burrow]

everything thats been added to the game in the last 6 years lmao but if u really need a list, mutation system, new map gateway, butch of changes and upgrades to gateway diet system, nesting, skin system, migration/patrol zone system, adding playables, Allosaurus, Beipiaosaurus, Carnotaurus, Ceratosaurus, Deinosuchus, Diabloceratops,Dilophosaurus, Dryosaurus, Gallimimus,Hypsilophodon,Maiasaura, Omniraptor, Pachycephalosaurus,Pteranodon, Stegosaurus, Tenontosaurus, Triceratops, Troodon, Tyrannosaurus, herrerasaurus and now kentrosaurus if u count it being in the HT, not to mention all of the personal mechanics the playables have gotten

[steady rune]

the isle

[vapid laurel]

Survive it!

[blazing jolt]

And soonish, austro/ovi and bary

[halcyon burrow]

you wont survive it

[void marlin]

I did survive it

[blazing jolt]

Also yeah no Battlefront 3 is a crime

[sacred sandal]

I just hope they will soon fix them Setbacks on HT, I would love to not log off and have nothing the next day

[void marlin]

Levyathan is a crime

[vapid laurel]

Livyatan is awesome!

[blazing jolt]

I will eat u

[void marlin]

Ian is evil

[steady rune]

hmm

[void marlin]

Not if I eat you first (in The Isle)

[opaque coral]

how we feeling about this photo

[steady rune]

why is ur taskbar in it

[trim elbow]

Windows taskbar ruins it for me personally

[blazing jolt]

P e a k

[dark thicket]

2014 somewhere there was a demo iirc? But at the same time some of it comes from TSL and maybe from that scraped primal carange survival game, it depends on what you want to point at as the start date, when the first actual concept was made or when the UE4 project as made or when the first lines of ideas were dotted down by dondi?

[opaque coral]

making a duplicate that crops it out

[opaque coral]

I wanted to keep the date in it for memories ngl

[steady rune]

i couldnt play w my taskbar on the bottom lol

[opaque coral]

Oh no its not there always, I just have to tab out to take a ss so it gets there

[steady rune]

ohhh

[void marlin]

Kentro/10

[opaque coral]

My other photos dont have that

now the quality is worse somehow wth

[cursive rampart]

Yoooo Batcat

[steady rune]

hallo

im looking for some screenshots ive taken cause sometimes its nice to take them of another player

but i have so many screenshots in my screenshot folder it takes like 4 minutes to load...

[opaque coral]

Woah how do u move the camera away from ur dino for photos

[steady rune]

I'm playing gallimius to take pictures of my boyfriend's cerato lol

[vapid laurel]

Cerato in photo -25 points
-# (These are beautiful)

[blazing jolt]

I despise them

[opaque coral]

oh

[idle roost]

Dang

[steady rune]

lol

[opaque coral]

I genuinely wanna film a video just to use one of these as a thumbnail

[blazing jolt]

All ceratos should fall of cliffs ( by allosaurus supremacists)

[cinder cave]

https://tenor.com/view/camera-kamera-theprine-gif-25577001

[steady rune]

get urself a galli friend to take pics of u

[lyric quest]

yea imagine a dilo in africas savannahs like that hunting cape buffalo with ease

that looks so cool

[opaque coral]

I swear I saw a video like that "dropping a dilo into a savannah" or something

[lyric quest]

oh yeah i remember ive seen that pop up on my shorts recommended

[opaque coral]

yeah on shorts

[steady rune]

eughh,,, shorts

[opaque coral]

Looks like the spike is stabbing the sun

[steady rune]

oh ok

[opaque coral]

lord

[wraith hound]

quite the capable hunter

[lyric quest]

cant prevent shorts from being shown ngl

[steady rune]

theres a plugin for it

do you use chrome or opera?

[lyric quest]

i dont mind it being there, if anything ill just click "show fewer shorts"

[opaque coral]

shorts arent that bad ngl shorts>tiktok

[steady rune]

shortform content is just bad for you in general

[opaque coral]

true

[lyric quest]

i used to use youtube shorts a whole lot more cuz it was so perfectly personalized for my account because i barely used tiktok

[steady rune]

i don't like the way it is designed to hijack your brain

[opaque coral]

if yt shorts had tiktok communication system id use it way more

[steady rune]

i deleted my tiktok acct last year :P

[cinder cave]

Smart

[tiny burrow]

I never even downloaded it.

[steady rune]

I got it in 2019 :(

[lyric quest]

i love watching tiktok omw home, i barely use my phone though so i dont get addicted to it

[strange kettle]

Get this Dilo off my screen

[opaque coral]

same

[viral shale]

That stuff is/was rotting me within full stop

[steady rune]

yeah same

been trying to listen to audiobooks/music/watch longform content instead

[viral shale]

I dont use tiktok and havent in years, i think youtube recently added an option to disable shorts so im gonna do that

[strange kettle]

Shorts are insufferable and the comments accentuate that

[viral shale]

My brain is fried

[steady rune]

You can only add a timer to it and make it 0 minutes, but if you're on PC you can use an extention for chrome/opera called "remove youtube shorts"

[lost citrus]

I try to only use it when I've got a bit of waiting time or something

If I'm sitting and scrolling, that's a bad time

[viral shale]

The only shorts i do watch is nature docs though so i guess that's something

[steady rune]

Also, if you use android, you can use the firefox app and add ublock origin to it and you won't get ads

[viral shale]

Ublock is a no brainer but i don't trust random extensions for specific stuff

Im doing it the hard way

[steady rune]

removing youtube shorts and re-adding the dislike button are the only other ones i use

[stone tiger]

TheIsle

[tiny burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-point-kronk-gif-13896471

[steady rune]

oh i guess i also have this extention that shows me whether or not a channel/video is monetized lol

[wraith hound]

for reference btw this raptor is not even adult yet mind you

[stone tiger]

Noone said that Omni is small

[steady rune]

onni

[daring imp]

Dinos big ?

[steady rune]

onnirappor

[lost musk]

sigh i wish the isle was as good as beast of bermuda in some aspects im ngl

[wraith hound]

lets say, omni is the size of utahraptor which is about 6 ft tall i believe so yeah omni is quite the big raptor

[daring imp]

nah I was being obtuse. I am aware of the stature these prehistoric beasts possesed.

[steady rune]

playable compy pls

elder compy when

[stone tiger]

Now what

[tiny burrow]

Playable chicken when?

[steady rune]

add elder frog

[tiny burrow]

Cook

[void marlin]

Playable turtle when

[steady rune]

no dont cook him hes old

elder schooling fish

[viral shale]

The only thing i'd like from bob is the natural disasters
Everything else? Nah

[past dune]

YOUTUBE REVANCED IS DYING AND IM GOING ALONG WITH IT

[viral shale]

Who

[steady rune]

what

[past dune]

Ope wrong chat

[steady rune]

oh ok

[viral shale]

You're obligated to explain now

[pseudo sapphire]

Tree Omni

[void marlin]

Oh no

[daring imp]

it's youtube with no ads, youtube want's ads more so they changing some stuff

[void marlin]

What's YouTube with no ads?

[past dune]

Uhhh
Way to patch over YouTube on mobile to have things like dislikes, no ads, background playback, sponsorblock, highlights, etc.

All the fun plug-ins for pc, and the advantages of mobile, and premium on mobile, for free.

Shame it seems to be somewhat imploding.

[viral shale]

So ublock

[lost musk]

natural disasters ofc, i'd also love to see pattern mixing at some point too, BoB's customization is so advanced but people mke it look bad when they go neon

also i do like the stress system too.. The fact that its not just combat that can put you in dangerous or unsafe situation, but the world itself as well, or just the very presence of something dangerous, its nice to see how it can discourage mixpacking

[viral shale]

Oh, interesting
Imploding why? Dev drama or smth?

[stone tiger]

Would be funny if we had Opossum AI and she would try to play dead once noticed.

Unbeknownst to her that the Dilo would eat the Opossum anyway and it would not longer have to play dead.

[daring imp]

Well lots of youtube platforms are imploding rn bc youtube is changing policy regarding androids

[fair latch]

taco?

[past dune]

None that I'm aware of, might just be YT itself, but who knows.
Its only been having issues for people for like half a day.

[viral shale]

Bobs customization is very good but yeah it's usually used for rainbow vomit stuff
Stress system is meh in my opinion, no reason why a rex should start dying from some rain

[lost musk]

its not that bad though? weather can only kill you if its a severe thunderstorm with major flooding

[past dune]

I should urgently leave before I get dragged into this convo

[steady rune]

All I've got for you is if you use android, you can use the firefox app for youtube and add extentions to it. The only one that I know works is ublock origin so I don't get ads, haven't tried others

[void marlin]

Hello, this is Ian

[pliant birch]

wip for tomorrow, im goingto bed

[lost musk]

find shelter and rest and youre fine

[past dune]

Yeah but like
That sucks

[wraith hound]

"containment breach i repeat containment breach, the O.R. 743619: Azur has left the Raptor holding Pen, caution is now more important than ever"

[steady rune]

fair enough

[past dune]

Have you sent the animations over to Lima yet?

We kinda been waiting for em

[stone tiger]

Horneye

[viral shale]

Even without flooding, all apexes ive played(besides apato) have issues with heavy rain
I'm just not a fan of "shelter or die", there's no middle ground

[pliant birch]

WAIT SHOOTTTT

[past dune]

[wraith hound]

[hoary sage]

I have no idea why but this emote is killing me I love it

[pliant birch]

DOING It now, but uhhh which ones, grazing and z walking adult rex?

[past dune]

Chat.
He is slowing Apollo Files production down.
Skin him.
Now.

[lost musk]

have you played BoB at all recently?

because weather doesnt risk you at all unless its actually really severe, it only mildly discomforts you which doesnt really affect you at all

[void marlin]

hi dont bypass the automod tanks

[pliant birch]

NONONO IVE HAD ALOT OF MY PLATE

[past dune]

That should probably be fine but you might want to ask Lima if he needs more.

[lost musk]

nvm wait you have, sorry i just read that again

but yeah stress isnt really as bad as many people i seen say it is

i only experienced risks in dying from stress when it was a big thunderstorm with flooding, or when ive been hanging around a bigger carnivore species as something smaller too long

[pliant birch]

done, but also added sensor noise to this render

[orchid lion]

[void marlin]

How to delete humanity from The Isle?

[orchid lion]

Press alt + F4

[civic karma]

[vapid laurel]

[manic fulcrum]

Nerf Omnisaur.

[stone tiger]

Ordinary?

A venomous raptor is ordinary?

[lost musk]

troodon isnt venomous..

[atomic slate]

Not unless we genetically engineer it on this island I know called Isla Sorna

[manic fulcrum]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/allspecies/images/3/33/Troodon_(Jurassic_Park).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140618194544

[inner jetty]

This is one reason why I used to main krono

[manic fulcrum]

Why I spec into the glorified weather res

[viral shale]

Wr doesnt even help with something like rex 😭

[inner jetty]

You have to also spec into the flat comfort boost for it to help which felt like alot of points to simply just exist

[vapid laurel]

I still hope for a sort of comfort-esque system for Isle one day.

[inner jetty]

Could be cool if done right

[grand grotto]

1

[lost citrus]

I agree

Players will hate it

[vapid laurel]

What won't players hate

[thorny agate]

Onions

Everyone love Onions

[vapid laurel]

But yeah it'd have to be done carefully. Ideally it'd just be little optional "animal doing animal things" tasks that offer small but noticeable buffs.
"But won't buffs make it feel slightly mandatory since players who use the system are technically better than those who don't?"
Yes!
Yes it will! 👍

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-ogres-have-layers-you-get-it-onions-have-layers-gif-15744640

[stone tiger]

Oh you were talking about Jurassic Park Troodon...

[austere kayak]

i like this

[stone tiger]

The kindest Scotsman

[lost citrus]

it's literally a picture of text from The Lost World

[stone tiger]

Do you think I didn't see that?

[wheat moth]

It's the Canadian in him.

[austere kayak]

i'd be cool if nocturnal increased your growth / healing when resting during the day and if diurnal did the same when resting at night

[lost citrus]

Dock is canadian?

[vapid laurel]

I am?

[wheat moth]

No, I meant Mike Myers.

[vapid laurel]

[stone tiger]

Haud there Rook

[wheat moth]

Unless Dock is also a Scot...

[lost citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-mike-myers-yeah-baby-yeah-gif-1691826607058877752

[stone tiger]

Aye fair enough

[wheat coral]

No he's docktor

[lost citrus]

I'm like 60% scots

[vapid laurel]

Am I?

[wheat coral]

Maybe

[royal storm]

First time actually able to get in and it crashes 😭

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-991789866523373942

[wheat moth]

[trail shard]

Acrocanthosaurus

[stone tiger]

[stone tiger]

Humpback Hunter

[wheat moth]

Me nan was Irish. I probably should keep that to myself, though.

[lost citrus]

Okay but I also have an English surname

so I get the good and the bad

[stone tiger]

We know more about 1tinydinosaur than about Rook

What do you guys know about me?

[lost citrus]

someone needs to write the rook book

[midnight kernel]

(Im not actually this but) being a combination of both catholic and dutch leads to names that can get 8-9 words long and its hilarious

[wheat moth]

[stone tiger]

Not everyone is open about they private life

[vapid laurel]

Halloween Acro!

[lost citrus]

insert 30K Jack Skellington gifs

[stone tiger]

Humpback Hunter

[wheat moth]

You're a Scot, you love dilophosaurus, and you may or may not be an actual gyrfalcon.

[somber urchin]

whoa is that swagbear

[lost citrus]

woah is that a pigeon?

[wheat moth]

If I ever make an autobiography, I'll keep this title in mind.

[somber urchin]

woah! 1tinydinosaur!

[somber urchin]

i think you mentioned something about raising cows once.

[lost citrus]

okay but make it an autobiographical and add baking recipes

call it the the rook book cookbook

[somber urchin]

honestly great title.

[chrome onyx]

Morning chat. Is US10 up today?

[wheat moth]

And I'll punch a hole in the book so it can hang on a hook.

[lost citrus]

Maybe store it in a nice reading nook

[tight lynx]

Now do the shotgun video

[cinder cave]

I don’t have that one saved to my phone

[chrome onyx]

I wish the lore was presented more in game

[tight lynx]

I PUT MY FAITH IN YOU

[stone tiger]

Hmm

[viral shale]

God i want megalania

[cinder cave]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-kid-gif-19596970

[vapid laurel]

I've noticed a lotta games have "wait this has lore?" peeps.
Though Isle at least is more understandable. Lot of it is still vague.

[stone tiger]

Oh yes I remember

[plush folio]

Killing kids woohoo

[stone tiger]

Text made at 16:07 GMT

[somber urchin]

i added this song to my isle playlist.

[stone tiger]

Me Internet is dying!

Help!

[cinder cave]

I’ve got a few in mine

[somber urchin]

stunning. amazing.

[analog turret]

what if Trood does does the FF16 Titan boss fight when it pounces on Brachi

[merry roost]

Brachi is prob gonna have trample to stop troo getting close enough

[stone tiger]

There's no Internet!

[wheat moth]

The Opened Way blares as troodon scales the brachi

[analog turret]

generally trample should be a thing imo

[daring imp]

why is hordetesting dead

[wheat moth]

Speaking of brachi, does anyone have any images of ours?

[merry roost]

Afaik it will be for the sauroods

[merry roost]

It is 11 am on a Thursday

[opaque coral]

Wait for cama

[mild wagon]

For you westoids

[queen trench]

When will current hordetest transfer to evrima branch

[opaque coral]

2-3 more months bud

[somber urchin]

whenever its done being tested. we dont get etas.

[opaque coral]

We still need ovi and austro, MAYBE bary

[queen trench]

Bruh I wanna play with the new dilo venom without lag

[opaque coral]

It’s gonna be a while, especially with all the bugs appearing

[somber urchin]

we'll get austro, maybe ovi. we will not be getting bary.

(for this hordetest)

[opaque coral]

When was this said? Bary was a possibility to come this ht

[vapid laurel]

I believe the last devblog

[hoary sage]

Devblog

[stone tiger]

It looks like my net came back for now

[sick kraken]

i think all they said was ovi is before bary. not that it isn’t coming this HT (but it prob isn’t)

[opaque coral]

Bary is still a possibility tho

[vapid laurel]

Not for this one sadly.

[stone tiger]

This message was made at 16:17 GMT

[somber urchin]

nope.
#isle-discussion message

[opaque coral]

Yeah that’s all they said I think

[somber urchin]

a minute late approximately.

[dawn stratus]

found it

[opaque coral]

That doesn’t mean it won’t come this ht tho? It’s all a possibility

[stone tiger]

Its getting better

[merry roost]

ragebait used to be believable

[wheat moth]

Thank you very much!

[sick kraken]

yeah the devblog just says ovi before bary, so if u dont lurk in here constantly u would think that

[somber urchin]

[stone tiger]

Now I have good reception

[opaque coral]

Here they come

[stone tiger]

Tennis Troodon 🎾

[sick kraken]

ignore them man people r so strange ab this game

[dark thicket]

the adult looks so skinny next to elder

[opaque coral]

Don never said Bary won’t come this ht, even though it’s probably not going to anyway

[sick kraken]

no he did. just not in the devblog. those people expected you to have seen his random message in here with no ping or announcement

[merry roost]

bary is not coming this HT

[leaden cobalt]

Hi

[opaque coral]

Oh

[dark thicket]

i thought dondi had said asutro was confirmed, or at least very likely

[dawn stratus]

yeah a lil bit

[vapid laurel]

But...the message was linked to them though

[somber urchin]

thats what i thought i was saying.

[sick kraken]

i mean yeah after the fact lol

[dark thicket]

sorry i am very tierd, i meant ovi

[leaden cobalt]

Hi

[sick kraken]

austro is gonna be so cool and awesome

[merry roost]

He said ovi depends on how Kentro and Austro behave (if they have a lot of bugs then ovi will be pushed back)

[somber urchin]

oh! maybe! i haven't seen every don message either.

[stone tiger]

[sick kraken]

rough. kentro seems fine tho right?

[vapid laurel]

I will agree though that it does kinda suck how a lotta good-to-know information is presented in passing conversations here. <:/

[merry roost]

still needs its reflection stuff iirc ?

[sick kraken]

last i played it all the bugs were server related

[opaque coral]

Kentro seems fine imo

[winged forge]

Soo when can i finally enjoy ovi?

[shrewd sky]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[sick kraken]

ah. surprised that wasn’t set up already. doesent seem too complex tbh

[winged forge]

pain and suffering

[high grail]

are you sure?

[sick kraken]

we already have detection in game for hitting a particular part of an animal so it seems pretty simple to have that trigger self damage

[wheat moth]

Just a very quick research and eyeball job, but this might not be far off how big brachi could be...

[sick kraken]

i kinda feel bigger…

[hybrid basin]

bigger

[sick kraken]

that doesent look like 40 tons to me tbh

[analog turret]

Tisso brachi and it shoots LIGHTNINGS

[dark thicket]

For HT stuff i can get it, in a way but not really, that if they post it in announcments or phase three and then change the info ppl will cry about it, but a lot of stuff could really do with a phase three post

[shrewd sky]

Isn't brachi gonna be ai only?

[hybrid basin]

Wouldn't that be neuro brachi ?

[wheat moth]

[winged forge]

teno looks over sized there, or am i wrong. carno is not really that small right?

[opaque coral]

No way it’s that big

[hybrid basin]

Neuro brachi turns its neck into a railgun

[sick kraken]

dude spino next to cheri in that screenshot is so scary

[wheat moth]

[high grail]

seasalt

[analog turret]

BRACHI BLAST

[winged forge]

no way thats real lmao, in concept they looked very similar

[frosty spoke]

what happens if you crush a fractured trike in the head?

[sick kraken]

concept means almost nothing

[hybrid basin]

This is exactly what I had in mind

[sick kraken]

this is based off dondi showing the base sizes for the rex and spino mesh, and spino was way larger. can always change but i’m kinda curious why the mesh was so big

[wheat moth]

I do think I need to revise tenonto's size.
Spino, though, is about right, based on the last size comparison we've seen of it. Cheirus is also based on a concept art next to a human, so they should be to [current] scale.

[shrewd sky]

It will explode

[frosty spoke]

seriously tho

[dark thicket]

carno isnt very big anymore

[winged forge]

if spino is that big and cheirus is that small, rip to every cheirus

[shrewd sky]

Nothing I thinks just do dmg

[winged forge]

1.8T not prime when, and 2.3T prime carno when?

[glossy harbor]

I heard somewhere that the creators said that they would see how Cama comes out and then they would think about Brachio whether it would fit

[sick kraken]

like if the mesh size doesent matter why is the dryo mesh not brachi size? like why do they make the meshes similar to the actual size. i’m not a game dev so idk these things

[dark thicket]

never

[wheat moth]

Yup. I was hoping they'd be a bit more evenly matched, but for now, it's looking to be very one-sided.

[winged forge]

i hope thats not real

[sick kraken]

i hope cheri is atleast like 8-10 tons tho. spino can be a monster but let cheri be a real threat

[lost musk]

asserting dominance in the horde

[hoary sage]

Mostly uninformed on my part but making the meshes and therefore the textures close to the size you want makes it easier to animate in terms of intended movement speed (large stride length=higher speed) and helps to preserve visual fidelity (if you take dryo's current model and scale it up, the textures and model will look low res. If you take rex's model and scale it down to a dryo, it's a waste of file size)

[sick kraken]

ah so if it’s within like 30% of the actual size ur probably fine

[winged forge]

it will only take that troodon 800+ pounces

[sick kraken]

too big a change and it’ll look low quality

[hoary sage]

It's why, in modding games, you want to have higher resolution textures on very large models/textures to preserve that fidelity, but you can have a 128x128p texture look good on a tiny item

[daring imp]

its 6pm in europe

[lost musk]

nah he was 45%, 1 ton ish

[sick kraken]

so yeah the spino mesh probably means nothing. moving it down to like 9 tons wouldent be an issue. still wonder why it’s so big tho

[winged forge]

"skill" matchup

[lost musk]

wdym

[hoary sage]

Visually it's probably not that big of a deal (unless you're making MASSIVE scale changes) but whenever something gets shrunk/enlarged you then have to consider the locomotion animations to preserve the speeds you want

[sick kraken]

ah ya it’s gotta move the legs faster

[vapid laurel]

Don't want to go down the DBD route of characters visually walking much slower than they're actually moving.

[hoary sage]

Because, quote, 'that's [Dondi's] spinosaurus"

[hybrid basin]

I'm pretty sure spino is meant to be way bigger than rex

[timid kelp]

Where is this image from? I've been trying to find an updated version of the old image

[sick kraken]

i kinda like the idea of it but also i feel like maybe it gets boring especially for the carnivore people who like action. nobody’s gonna give spino a fair fight they’ll all be like 3 rex

[vapid laurel]

Maybe if survival wasn't as forgiving as it is, we wouldn't have to worry about three Rexes even coexisting

[sick kraken]

bigger yeah but the mesh was extreme. it’s reaching like shant territory with that

[sick kraken]

if 3 rex can’t coexist then spino probably never gets to fight tho. idk. speculating ab it now is kinda pointless

[wheat moth]

Insane to think that in Legacy, the raptor had a good chance to solo the shant

[merry roost]

It might not SOUND complicated, but you need to keep in mind its a system also going to trike, dibble, and stego. Kentro is just the base, and it needs to accurately track where x is getting hit, how its getting hit, WHEN its getting hit etc etc

[sick kraken]

i wonder if trike will be faster tho. could b something

[sick kraken]

i mean yeah but for trike and dibble, quite simple. we already have detection for hitting their heads.

[silk warren]

how am i gaining more beed even though im laying down?

[lost musk]

banished by the shadow monster

[median fulcrum]

Shant is gonna be a unit in evrima ! cant wait for him !!

[wheat moth]

Yes! It'll be a marvel to see walking around.

[merry roost]

bleed continues to go down until its healed, resting just speeds up its healing and boosts your resistance so it drops slightly slower

[sick kraken]

idk if they want it to be literally you hit trikes head you take damage tho. maybe it’ll be more sophisticated

for kentro i think it should be that simple tho. you hit the spike it hurts

[silk warren]

ye but the drops are getting bigger even though ive been laying here for like 10 min

[orchid lion]

Isnt there a mutation that reduces bleed?

[untold folio]

there are 2 mutations for bleed

[orchid lion]

One that reduces it and the other is for lying down?

[sick kraken]

there’s one that gives bleed resistance, i usually take it it’s solid. especially with allos around

[red saffron]

how long do you think itll take for them to fix the exploit where people are client side crashing others on purpose on evrima? i have f2s of people doing it using certain methods ingame

[lost musk]

troodon ascends to heaven

[untold folio]

one reduces it by 25%, and the other prevents death if laying down

[orchid lion]

[brisk tinsel]

i got my first player kill, i killed 2 raptors as a troodon

[red saffron]

its a guarenteed prime wipe / death and its hard to have motivation to grow anything since that takes hours, im excited for ht but i hope this gets pushed before ht drops as i feel like ht wont come out for another several months

[untold folio]

wich honestly makes bleeding play style almost obsolete

[lost musk]

peak, how big were they

[brisk tinsel]

same size as me

[lost musk]

gj, but you've got a long way ahead of you, troodon is all about humbling bigger targets

keep working up the food chain, novice

[untold folio]

while crush has 1 mut against it and a permanet debuff if you take too many

[orchid lion]

Me and my omni pack killed a mid sized rex by bleeding it to death

[untold folio]

it's possible just a lot harder

[wheat moth]

All troodons go to heaven.

[orchid lion]

Crush is rex right?

[brisk tinsel]

i almost killed a carno but ran out of stamina

draw

[untold folio]

pachy too

[daring trench]

did you just login to that?

[lost musk]

not this one apparently

[glossy harbor]

❤️

[orchid lion]

I despise them creatures

[lost musk]

idk 😭 i just spawned in like this

[wheat moth]

Oh, jeez!

[untold folio]

they're overaggro for no aparent reasons

[orchid lion]

One litterally broke every bone in my body, left me on the brink of death with no stam

[lost musk]

the devil himself

[untold folio]

i think it's because they're bald but i can't prove it

[orchid lion]

Just for me sitting on a rock

[sick kraken]

quetz……

[untold folio]

if you see a pachy just assume it'll attack you

[orchid lion]

[manic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-babadook-monster-scary-gif-15956335

[orchid lion]

There was one that was chill. But then he tried to murder me, so he got what was coming to him.

[untold folio]

nice

[midnight badger]

Have the devs changed or realesed anything since kentro release excluding the size change?

[urban gulch]

skins like those https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/537266052103536650 only work in hordetesting branch?

[sick kraken]

is there a place i can donate to quetz development

[idle roost]

As a pachy main, I find this offensive... yet true

[timid hawk]

genuinely what the hell is happening on these servers

[orchid lion]

[timid hawk]

twice now i log and come back maybe a dozen hours later and my dinos just gone, i lost a prime carno to it and now a dilo

[untold folio]

[wheat moth]

Sadly not. Quetzalcoatlus will arrive when it means to.

[timid hawk]

is this normal or are they resetting everytime i decide to log?

[light cradle]

wouldn’t recommend playing rn

[timid hawk]

dude this is insane

[light cradle]

HT be what it is

[timid hawk]

ive never had this happen before though

forget about it dude im going back to main branch

[stone tiger]

[timid hawk]

are any of the map changes imported over there like redwoods yet or no?

[stone tiger]

Imagine getting bonked by your prey

So embarrassing

[sick kraken]

i hope devs hop on a early development version in the next ht just so we can see it fly around

[wheat moth]

It would be beautiful...

[manic fulcrum]

Quetz sightings would be peak

[vapid laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/regalt-reaction-look-up-looking-up-astonished-gif-26619620

[shrewd sky]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-hampter-gif-4955399104466158937

[manic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/9-9-2009-9-movie-winged-beast-robot-gif-17810920292664977737

I want Quetz to feel like a monster in the same way the robot bird thing in 9 did

Like sure you COULD clip its wings. But big skewer beak

[shrewd sky]

I cast 0 stam regen and 400kilos

[vapid laurel]

I can see Quetz messing up a number of things

[manic fulcrum]

Big beak, big damage

[zenith pulsar]

I wouldn't say that a fully grown pachy is 'prey' to some 20kg rat

[shrewd hawk]

Do I need to gestate eggs to be able to build a nest or can I place a nest before?

[hoary sage]

You can place it before

[shrewd hawk]

Ok ty!

[manic fulcrum]

I really just hope they give Quetz the treatment large pterosaurs deserve. They shouldn’t just be pushovers

[vapid laurel]

I hope its idle stance is eerily still 🌲

[shrewd hawk]

And you press and hold "N" to place nest?

[shadow axle]

Just saw a prime allo waste a deino on ht us2 rip

[hoary sage]

Tap N to place the nest blueprint, then either hold B to build or find sticks

[wheat moth]

Seems to be the case, from what we've seen and heard

[native edge]

Is there an official server where it doesn't rain so much? Literally every time it stops raining it lasts 5 to 10 minutes tops and it rains for another 20 to 30 minutes just to repeat the process again and again.

[manic fulcrum]

Like small ones being pushovers is fine & all cause well…they are literally small

But stuff like Quetz or Hatz are just imposing to look at, and even if it isn’t that tanky, you just know that beak is to be feared

[shadow axle]

Deino was given a chance to swim away you just have to take the hints an allo gives

[zenith pulsar]

@peak vigil how are we feeling about today?

[stone tiger]

Prey is prey!

[shrewd hawk]

Great thanks!

[wheat moth]

Hoping this direction hasn't at all changed.

[zenith pulsar]

that's like calling an elephant prey to a mongoose

[peak vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

[brisk tinsel]

quetz lifts a Allosaurus into orbit

or more accurately, America. Because why not, lets jurassic park 3 this

[vapid laurel]

I love it all except that Deino comparison.
I don't know if I'd consider Deino one to sow fear...

[inner juniper]

Whats yall opinion on the idea of spinosaurus hippo walking

[manic fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-10678931350545522063

[stone tiger]

Rather for a 30ft alligator not a mongoose but that would not be like calling an adult Trike or Stego a prey for Deinosuchus?

[vapid laurel]

I like it Though I think it should be able to swim sluggishly with some effort though. A reverse Beepy.

[opaque coral]

Hey how does austro spear fishing work if the whole point of spear fishing is to cast a shadow to attract fish

[inner juniper]

Whenever I cross a river I beg in my head for a deino not to snatch me

[zenith pulsar]

that wasn't a 30ft alligator though.

it was basically small dog sized