isle-discussion

[manic fulcrum]

The incentive to play herbivores is cause I want to play a herbivore.

Now in terms of gameplay, yeah herbivores can be a bit boring but that’s because carnivores don’t actually have to look for you

[pliant urchin]

It's a bug. Everyone is waiting for update to fix it

[lethal onyx]

Interaction assist! Yayyyy

[analog turret]

Players can't ever simulate an ecosystem imo

[past dune]

Herbivores when it comes to being completely and utterly useless to the world:

[prime marlin]

does safe logging reset my completed prime tasks?

[pliant urchin]

I like playing herbivores, omnivore, and piscivores way more than carnivores rn

[past dune]

Not with that attitude maybe.

[cyan haven]

It’s so annoying isn’t it. Guess we play carnivores until it’s fixed.

[wheat coral]

I do think that carnivores should generally be far more skill based than herbivores though

[timber dune]

guys do the task u do for elder reset once u log out ?

[cinder cave]

-# most
Players don’t want to simulate an ecosystem, they want to have a dinosaur power fantasy

[midnight solar]

is there anz point of reporting cheaters? any got banned yet ?

[pliant urchin]

I like to think of some bugs in pokemon terms
Update is confused...
Update used interaction assist...
It hurt itself in it's confusion

[manic fulcrum]

They have taken a good step forward with how larger carnivores like Rex and Allo have no carnivores on their diet lists

Unfortunately this backfires due to them not having that many herbivores on them. Like Allo has dryo but not pachy. Also AI cluttering diet lists for things that shouldn’t be getting nutrition from them….like Allo and Rex as they get older

[pliant urchin]

Or omnivore
Beipi and ptera are fun too

[cinder cave]

We ban cheaters when we’re available to do so

[lethal onyx]

[novel valley]

holy am i glad to be a herra rn

[wheat coral]

The way I say it is, everyone wants to play in a balanced ecosystem, but most players don't want to play the things that would make the ecosystem more balanced

[shrewd sky]

Anybody knows hot to fix?
Did restart, reinstall steam and isle

[past dune]

The... The goal should be to have both.
Design the ecosytem in such a way that it directly enriches the awesome dino fantasy...

[analog turret]

I think there are ways to encourage people to do it, but you'd need to entice people to not spam pick animals like rex/allo, and actually branch out into other things.

[cinder cave]

Exactly, everyone wants to be the apex predator

[pliant urchin]

Did you try clearing your steam download cache?

[shrewd sky]

Yes

[heady nacelle]

yo does anybody kno whats wrong w the isle and performance rn i stay on 200 ping damn near and the game wont close properly and my game is so choppy but im on like 100 fps

[timber dune]

cause during my trike life ive gone to almost all of the pz in swamps plains ( like 10 pz easy ) and ive gone to two migration zones... with ofc the sanct and perfect diet. So how am i not a prime trike i have to spend again 8 hours of time to maybe have a chance to get it wth

[cinder cave]

Sounds like you’re looking for a single player game where the player can pick which niche they want to fill in the ecosystem

[cyan haven]

So two issues need urgent hot fix. 1. Rex pin damage exploit
2. Ability to eat plants

[past dune]

That sounds like a fun game design problem to be solved, what would be gained from giving up on the premise entirely?

[tranquil karma]

Im not a fan of the original progression, but I'd play a small herbivore to adulthood if it were required to play anything bigger than Omni

[past dune]

[lethal onyx]

You can change the first one to just Pin

[analog turret]

Petits has the population control thing to help with it, and even then you have people asking for popular animals to be unlocked every 10 seconds anyway

[past dune]

WHATS THE POINT OF AN ECOSYSTEM IF ITS NOT PLAYER DEPENDANT

[pliant urchin]

Do the full reinstall of steam as a last resort. Cause that uninstalls ALL your games 💀

[lethal onyx]

It’s not an exploit, it’s just engaging gameplay, intended fun mechanics

[wheat coral]

The devs can't really control player actions though, if half the people on a server hop in as big carnivores than the "ecosystem" is fundamentally imbalanced already

[cinder cave]

I still like the idea of players having to play a family tree of dinosaurs in order to spawn as an apex

[shrewd sky]

I did that

[pliant urchin]

Progression

[lethal onyx]

Do you think you can unlock rex for me

[cyan haven]

No because there is pinning and there is doing the pin exploit. You have seen the exploit right? They can kill prime trikes in 1 second.

[shrewd sky]

Still the same sing

[past dune]

No, you cannot control every minute decision of the playerbase, but you can influence them and design a game well enough to prepare for those extreme outcomes, no matter how uncommon they are.

[cinder cave]

Nobody wants to be krill hacker, they want to win and be the super cool great white shark with freebird in the background, a functional ecosystem isn’t fun at low levels

[lime tangle]

PROGRESSION MODE MENTIONED 🔥

[cinder cave]

Apex exclusive progression

[past dune]

Then don't implement a krill.

[wheat coral]

It is certainly not uncommon for a majority of a server to be playing as big carnivores

[muted crypt]

That is more true to officials than unofficials. Unofficials have rules for the exact reason, to make the game more than a deathmatch. Realism/semi realism are exist for this sole reason and its arguably way more popular than officials

[pliant urchin]

Did you try these?

[cinder cave]

Everyone is a great white shark

[lethal onyx]

The whole biting through the frill to break legs? And then one pin crushing it from behind, aside from the frill not blocking damage trike is just meat once broken

[past dune]

Oh, no I just meant a supermajority, like 85-90% that is relatively unlikely.

[cinder cave]

Mhm, hacker is once again trying to fix the game

[tranquil karma]

They also have good hardware

[trail shard]

THE ISLE!?!

[shrewd sky]

Will try

[old shale]

If I ever did design a dino game with a player driven ecosystem, I would probably try atleast having more herbis/omnis relative to carnivores

[regal mortar]

Can hacker fix my neck pains instead

[cyan haven]

No. They pin and then shake their mouse almost like a thrash, they can kill anything in 1 pin. Check it out on YT, it’s disgusting.

[pliant urchin]

I feel like this would boil down to the old argument of "why have x when it's just smaller y"

[past dune]

Fall down the stairs.

[regal mortar]

[wheat coral]

I'm saying that there is essentially no way to have a balanced ecosystem based entirely around players, because given the opportunity most of the player base will play carnivores. Ideally there should be more herbivores than carnivores but that will never happen unless you hard limit playable count, which we know isn't going to happen on officials

[somber urchin]

the steam subsystem failure thing is driving me crazy.

[past dune]

Then don't implement x
If you don't absolutely need it, or it causes more problems than it's worth, don't add it. If you are making a game where the choice of roster is vital and the stability of the game is dependant on the decisions of your players then you need to motivate them to choose correctly, force them if you have too, and exclude options that would be detrimental.

If nobody likes the tiny tiers, few people play as them, they provide very little, and they take up a slot that would otherwise be used on a larger creature with more weight to the ecosystem, then don't add the tiny lad.

For a game like The Isle, that is unnecessary, they can add all the tiny tiers they want, because the players don't matter at the end of the day.

[cinder cave]

If I were to make my own dino game (never gonna happen) I’d put the futurama reference “I’m gonna make my own dinosaur game with blackjack and micropachycephosaurus”

[pliant urchin]

Likewise and I have no idea how to fix it aside from throwing solutions of increasing severity at it

[past dune]

Oh, yeah it'll never happen in the isle

[lime tangle]

Progression was the best The Isle mode

[pliant urchin]

I liked progression cause I was an austro main

[past dune]

I didn't really care much about progression at the time gameplay wise I just liked seeing a varied population.

[cinder cave]

Unless you get a group of people to sign a binding contract to rp an animal ecosystem, it’s not going to happen, humans advanced as far as we have on this planet because we exploit every advantage we can over others, someone will find something to abuse to pull ahead

[somber urchin]

i know. same.

[past dune]

Yes, and it is the entire job of a game designer to make the game with that in mind. Solve the problem, problem solving is the point.

[muted crypt]

Funny enough, I think progression had way healthier ecosystem than survival does, granted it based off of taking the choice away of choosing playable

[pliant urchin]

Then I guess we just need rex, spino, trike, and shant. Everything else should be ai

[cinder cave]

You have unrealistic expectations of people

[past dune]

[past dune]

I have unrealistic expectations of myself, there is a difference.

[manic fulcrum]

In my ideal world, carnivores like troodon, Herrera, Ptera, Omni, Dilo do not need to actively seek out the herbivores and just survive on whatever they can find. Same for specialized carnivores like Cerato (Scavenger) and Carno (Small game hunter). They should still go after herbivores when they can but it’s not a necessity

The larger carnivores like Allo, Rex, Alberto, Giga etc. can grow a fair bit off of whatever as juvies, but when they start to become larger they require more food and nutrition should be of importance. They lose most of their dietary options they used as juvies and now have to actively seek out herbivores, they don’t have carnivores on their dietary lists as they are the larger carnivores and should therefore have more of a challenge when it comes to nutrition and survival. The necessity to actively search out herbivores

[pliant urchin]

Agreed. The main issue with progression was once nesting was added. Then the clans would mass nest in rexs

[regal mortar]

Honestly i just dont see it ever getting balanced out in officials

The playerbase in these types of games nowadays is just way too focused on pure pvp and "controlling the server"

[pliant urchin]

It's a perfect paraphrase of what you just said though bro x)

[cinder cave]

Hacker is a sentient speech bubble, not a people

[tranquil karma]

The horrors of teamwork

[cinder cave]

Mhm

[manic fulcrum]

We the hacker (people)

[muted crypt]

Yes. Progression would've needed some change. Probably idk, nesting with points, so you cant infinite nest ppl

[tidal haven]

Can I just eat plants man this is insanely annoying.

[analog turret]

If I took a shot at a player driven ecosystem game it'd go like this

• a single or few base line playables, that evolve into other animals as you play and grow, removing the discrepency between small to larger playables since everything starts from the same level and each player can take it as big as they want/can achieve
• player activity would directly influence food availability, areas can get over worked, and players could also spread seeds for food around

[past dune]

I think that you would be surprised how much you can influence player behavior through game design.

[muted crypt]

Dark souls, elden ring great example.

[cinder cave]

I await the influx of the most smelly basement dwelling degenerates once gen 2 release

[slim patrol]

This game does a good job of spooking me, I get scared from my own tail

[naive roost]

The main issue with progression was how you couldn't make progression times long enough to actually result in a healthy ecosystem. Nesting just made that even worse by effectively reducing progression times even more.

[lime tangle]

Hi it's me

[manic fulcrum]

It still pains me that a Rex can grow primarily off boars and turtles if it’s patient enough

[past dune]

I think that says more about you than it does the game.

[dire lily]

can cera 1v1 allo? or 2v3 allo?

[regal mortar]

[pliant urchin]

Um actually hacker is a single quotation mark

[lime tangle]

Yes
I 1v1'd a prime allo as a prime cera quite easily

[dire lily]

also who is faster, prime allo or prime cera?

[naive roost]

All the "low pp progression" servers were just sandbox servers in a trenchcoat.

And with way more afk people.

[tranquil karma]

I remem er when I learned that Allo's tail makes a separate bush rustle from the head/body and it freaked me out for about an hour

[cinder cave]

If it’s a multiplayer game, people will find ways, unless your ecosystem consists of a 1v1 boxing ring

[pliant urchin]

Ya that was another issue with progression. You just had to wait out a timer to get to the next tier. At least herbivore had to travel and eat a ton of blue ferns

[past dune]

They will, you just need to solve those ways too...

[naive roost]

Yes, players will find ways, but you can at least influence which ways they will find.

[pliant urchin]

But I got pue in like 1hr on progression because I figured out an optimized route to get enough plants

[tidal haven]

Must be nice being able to eat plants....

[tall meadow]

i/prime

[median fulcrum]

if any devs are looking at the chat rn just letting you guys know that deino can still do the super lounge

[lucid helm]

Anyone remember Legacy realism servers?

[pliant urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1187576325574238238/text.gif

[regal mortar]

I just honestly have 0 faith in the playerbase ever not pulling cheap stuff to have advantages is all

[naive roost]

Good thing 1h Puertas have no negative impact on... wait...

[tidal haven]

Pretty much sums up my gameplay experience as herbi right now.

[pliant urchin]

Likewise

[regal mortar]

No matter how much you change the game, the playerbase is just rotten in the end

[past dune]

There is a lot you can just straight up solve by adding mechanics to disincentivize those behaviors. There is even more you can solve by achieving any level of consistency within player locations, because that gives you way more power as a designer.

[cinder cave]

This is a similar statement to “just solve crime” there is an innumerable number of issues ranging with both people, circumstances, and the nature of how things are required to function just because someone wants something else, it is impossible to predict for everything, and to assume you can is a fools errand

[past dune]

We're talking about game design, not politics.

In a game you can just turn off fundamental rules of the world at a whim, you cannot do that in real life.

[wheat coral]

I think that carnivores should be far more difficult to play than herbivores. Much more skill should be required, in the form of decision making and patience, and food should be much more valuable. Generally, if a carnivore plays badly, they should be flattened or left in the dust by herbivores. They should be trying to do sneak attacks, ambushes, and know when to cut their losses. I do not think this would stop most players from automatically slotting in as carnivores, but it would at least put a skill filter in so many don't get to adult with little effort

[tranquil karma]

"Make it so that..." comes to mind

[dry iron]

what area is the new hotspot? south plains is dead now

[past dune]

You, as a game designer, have leagues more control over your playerbase than that.

[cinder cave]

Debatable

[cinder cave]

Ban the problem players 👍

[past dune]

Genuinely though, if, through game design measures you reduce the number of problem players down to a manageable level, having moderation as the last line of defense becomes feasible.

[naive roost]

It's so annoying when you blame the playerbase for the games issues.
Players play a game and behave in a certain way while doing so, because the game is how it is.
And if you can't change players behaviour you can certainly still change the game so they go "this game is dying, I am leaving, stupid devs" and rood giddance.

[wheat coral]

How do you propose a balanced ecosystem be made when most players automatically slot in as carnivore without a second glance at herbivores?

[pliant urchin]

It's many gamers in geneal. Too many people want shortcuts to being the strongest thing possible to "win." They don't understand that the point of survival games like this is basically to have fun and not die. There's been an idea planted by too many games that if you're not min maxxed stats and as strong and fast as possible you're losing.

[cinder cave]

Part of the issue with what you’re saying hacker, is if you do implement this in a way that makes the ecosystem exactly how you want it, there will be people who wish to play who will just have the worst time, and they just won’t play

[past dune]

If there was only 1/250th the number of mixpackers than there are now, then suddenly moderating that group becomes much easier.

[pliant urchin]

Real

[past dune]

I will not disclose my means.

Well, any more means.

At least not here.

[cinder cave]

Another problem with game development is that children play games

And children are awful

[past dune]

THIS IS TRUE AND REAL

[regal mortar]

100%

[wheat coral]

I think for a true balanced ecosystem you just need good ai

[past dune]

I'll skin you alive man.

[wheat coral]

And hopefully a singleplayer mode at some point

[spring prawn]

whats the best place to find gallis?

[pliant urchin]

I mainly blame the player base for the reasons listed here: #isle-discussion message
It's technically not their fault, they've been taught that this is how you play games, this is how you win

[analog turret]

Id take a singleplayer mode too

[unkempt field]

it has been more than 30 minutes 💔

[cinder cave]

That was what I said, a true ecosystem requires the player to fill just one role, not all of them

[analog turret]

Or as Don said on a stream, better AI so I can make a smaller server with pals

[hot summit]

are EU servers down? :O

[crude pewter]

yup

[wheat coral]

I am not joking. I think that ai (good ai) is not only good for the game, but will be a requirement down the line

[steady pagoda]

Us too

All servers I lied

[pliant urchin]

Anyone who is no longer a children can agree that children are awful and that they too were once an awful children

[naive roost]

I think I saw a bit about collecting feedback from children and it involved a lot of monitoring them while playing and not taking their complains literally. Maybe that's a good idea with (wo)men children as well?

[cinder cave]

Child rumple was eeeevil

[unkempt field]

the game crashed right as I cam eclose to a river im finished

[analog turret]

I agree with this
Players alone wont make an ecosystem, and while I don't think AI will make it an ecosystem either, it'll atkeast help make the game feel more like it has one
Rather than just seeing 2 billion allos and rexes

[spring prawn]

me too dw

[unkempt field]

can we fix the fatal error thing like oh my god

[steady pagoda]

I was camping in a bush lol

[somber urchin]

... you mean adults who act like children or?

[graceful anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217984342463090719/1421947380802261143/caption.gif

[cinder cave]

That is a suchomimus

[graceful anchor]

bary

[vapid pumice]

beipi

[novel valley]

rex

[median fulcrum]

kentro

[regal mortar]

Elite fish

[somber urchin]

austro

[naive roost]

Yeah, that's normal though. That's why the game should reward surviving and not being the biggest and baddest thing around.
Like... actually having significant supply costs to pay when you are big or do bad things.

[graceful anchor]

batman

[spring prawn]

thats a dryo obviously

[crisp vector]

Yes

[naive roost]

✅

[steady pagoda]

How do we know when server is back up

[cinder cave]

The elder system is rather poor at that I feel, all it does is shuffle players around a little

[past dune]

I think the whole player driven ecosystem thing, although being rather complicated to solve, is not really as bad as people think. In the same way you never even consider not fighting in a first person shooter like battlefield, because you got the game with the intent to go out and fight, and that is conversely the main thing, and the most fun thing you can do in the game.

If you design a game to facilitate and reward players for playing correctly, and you ensure above all else that the core experience you are trying to capture and recreate over and over again is... more than anything else, fun. Then players are generally agreeable to that.

If that isn't the type of game for someone, they won't play it. Also, yes, I am fully aware that the only truly cursed design problem here that can't be fixed, no matter what, is the fact that the game would need a minimum player count to be playable, no amount of game design can eliminate that. If nobody plays the game, the game cannot be played. But I don't think that's really much of a hurdle in the grand scheme of things.

[split reef]

NICE GAME CHEATER KILL ME

[spring prawn]

first time?

[tranquil karma]

AI should be what juvie carnivores can get by on to survive until they grow enough that they can't, and if you can't survive from then on to adulthood by eating players, too bad. You die. Try again.

No adult should be able to survive on AI.

[split reef]

NO

[cinder cave]

Good luck with that

[pliant urchin]

Agreed, I think if you want to play a murder machine it needs to be more difficult. Though I don't really have any good ideas on how to do that

[wheat coral]

(Ai)

[steady pagoda]

How long are servers usually down

[cinder cave]

Hacker, would it be mean of me to ask that you keep track of the development of your greying hair from when you start game development to when you deem your game “complete”?

[spring prawn]

cheaters come with the game lol, i got killed by an xray hacking rex last night when i was sitting in a bush as a galli

[past dune]

AI at any level ruins the impact of player interaction. All weight behind the ecosystem, behind the survival of yourself and the players around you, is gone the second you start relying on AI to fill in for your shortcomings.

[pliant urchin]

Usually 5-10min
20min on a bad day

[halcyon locust]

I think if the game was more punishing towards reckless players it would weasel out those types of playstyles. If the devs truly want the game to be an immersive survival experience, they’ll add injuries that cripple you permanently so people think twice about picking their fights. But perhaps thats too bold of a decision…

[past dune]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[pliant urchin]

Ugh yes I've wanted severe lasting injuries forever

[cinder cave]

Research studies of game developers is probably a rather under studied profession tbh

[past dune]

Oh, design wise the game is already like 90% done. I'm actually working on a second game right now that would be easier to make on a light budget. Because making a game that ambitious as my first publication would be clinically insane.

[grand grotto]

28,000 dibble nerfs

[cinder cave]

If things worked as designed off rip, we’d be on mars by now lol

[past dune]

I just need to iron out the numbers for herbivore food, combat values, and there are two slots on the roster that I'm not all that comfortable with... oh, and I gotta wrap up a certain part of the map design... and I gotta figure out one particularly tricky quest that has me stumped.

But that's about it tbh

Now all I need is budget

[urban comet]

It is just so peak, thank you. Also I feel like I always say your name wrong in videos.
is it said Se-rinity or Krin-Iti?

[past dune]

Pronounced Crankle actually.

[pliant urchin]

Krin-iti ya

[urban comet]

The more you know

[cinder cave]

I just say crinkly

[wheat coral]

It is far easier to manage ai population levels than it is to manage players. But the big reason i think (good) ai will be necessary, is gen 1 and gen 2. When those are released, it is far more likely that there will be no one playing the things that big carnivores should be relying on. If you have a bunch of people playing humans and gen 1, or as things that can easily interact with humans and gen 1 like troodons and omnis, there is zero guarantee for something like a rex player that there is anything on the map that can actually sustain you. There is only 100 player slots to a server at the moment and it will be much more likely that playing certain things will just be a sentence to starvation

[past dune]

I refuse to take the easy way out and tarnish the whole point.

[restive leaf]

Can somebody explain how to get the ”enhanced digestion” mutation?
Ive not gotten it (like i have before) on 2 dinos so far (played both on officials today and a community server)

I swear I hade atleast some nutrition until i unlocked my second, but couldnt seem to find it in the mutation list…

Any help would be appreciated!

[azure wedge]

best mutations for maia??

[cinder cave]

Absolutely diabolical diet for long periods of time iirc
Diabolical being perfect

[unkempt grail]

the biggest issue with an entirely player driven ecosystem is you need to rely entirely on players to make the ecosystem
this falls apart on the fact that the things that should be making up the bottom rung of the ladder are always going to be the less appealing option to the vast majority of players, and that bottom rung of the ladder should always vastly outnumber the larger animals.
it doesnt matter how incredibly interesting you make the small herbivore compared to the large carnivore, the average player doesnt care, a large carnivore will have larger scale appeal, both due to the fact it is a large carnivore, and because it is the most murdery thing out there, even if it sucks at the latter

[past dune]

Also at this point I'm not talking about The Isle anymore. The Isle has made it's path clear, and it's not even trying to go in the direction of player dependancy.

[restive leaf]

Hahahaha like needing to have 60% on one nutrion until I can pick a second mutation or?

[slim patrol]

Pretty much just keep a great diet, if you are playing something like Cerato or smaller then it would be free on the 2nd life when you entomb

[glacial panther]

im so curious to know...

[dense kestrel]

i forget with herras jump (lmb to dmg) do i press lmb just before i hit the target or as soon as i jump

[past dune]

Trust me, I am well aware, and have already worked on it.

[unkempt grail]

lets see how it plays out then

[cinder cave]

I’m not sure the exact numbers, but try and keep perfect diet as best you can

[past dune]

Thats the most exciting part.

[slim patrol]

My Troodon is about to go its entire life without drinking

[urban comet]

Have diet for a certain amount of time. I believe it is around 1 hour.

[wheat coral]

Alright then please. If a rex loads in onto a server mostly popluated by humans, gen 1, and smalls, what is it supposed to eat as an adult? I doubt it'll survive off humans, and it can't survive off nor even catch troodons and omnis. Once it gets to a certain size, it starves if few people are playing bigger things

[restive leaf]

Ah true, could have sworn I hade 3 nutrion filled but guess not enough

Aight thanks for the tips

[slim patrol]

Nah, its based on time

[glacial panther]

wiwiwi

[cinder cave]

Wa wa we

[slim patrol]

2 more entombments and I can start making the Army

[dense kestrel]

i forget with herras jump (lmb to dmg) do i press lmb just before i hit the target or as soon as i jump

[slim patrol]

Hold RMB when you fall

[lost citrus]

Sometimes I have to click it again to get the animation to trigger

[dense kestrel]

bruh i havent playe herra in so long this is why i was doing no dmg lmao

[wheat coral]

If you're talking about a game you're making, then I look forward to seeing the concept of what you're talking about, but forgive me for remaining skeptical until I see something that works well and is reliant entirely on players

[slim patrol]

Yeah, RMB is to latch and divebomb

[dense kestrel]

as in do dmg?

[slim patrol]

Yes

[unkempt field]

imagine losing a fight again a frail pachy while you are a prime omni with a prime omni friend

[coarse nimbus]

Frail dinos still pack a punch

[torn jay]

just played an entire game of pteradon

aesthetically pleasing, but one fat snoozefest

Quetz when

[grand grotto]

Would they punch a packet tho 🤔

[coarse nimbus]

Lol idk

[unkempt grail]

If you want to answer I'm curious to hear the ideas you have to drive people to the smaller side of your prospective roster

[zinc abyss]

Sorry man I had to step away and am just now getting back to this. I get what you mean about the checklist. I just wanted to tell you I hope they do keep iterating. Whether or not this was six years ago or new direction from previous inspiration—I believe these Devs have an art project in their hearts and I’m here for it. Bumps along the road and all

[cinder cave]

Pocketguy

[azure wedge]

i wonder when the isle will get modding

[verbal grotto]

Does rex have a new 3 call or did herrera give me brain damage

[azure wedge]

2 what? 2 decades?

[verbal grotto]

Year 203698

[grand grotto]

Shi idk

[azure wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[wheat coral]

We have zero indication of when modding will be a thing, that guys is basically doing a development slow joke

[grand grotto]

Who is?

[wheat coral]

You

[grand grotto]

Oh

[verbal grotto]

i thought that was obvious

[lost citrus]

We have heard that the devs very much want to support modding in the future

... But yeah, no ETA

[azure wedge]

to be fair to bro i also did a "development slow" joke by saying "2 decades"

[verbal grotto]

removal of omni mod

[lost citrus]

that doesn't even take mods, I think unofficials can do that right now

[verbal grotto]

completely banned

[azure wedge]

utahraptor when sadge

[verbal grotto]

If you click on omni your game crashes

[fierce schooner]

Die

[azure wedge]

ah good ol hippo trike model

[old shale]

WTF is that

[indigo cave]

Panda

[lost citrus]

Hey I might not have made it to paleontologist, but at least I've got a job in the sciences

[grand grotto]

Pada

[azure wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-5628327

[indigo cave]

I wanted to work as a paleontologist in La Pampa as a child but then I learned it would involve digging sand and dirt every day for months in the middle of nowhere and I never looked back lmao

[lost citrus]

Ehh you can always work in the lab, you don't have to do field work

[pliant urchin]

Lasting injuries list off the top of my head...
Most of these rely on what age or how good your diet was at the time for if it has lasting effects or heals completely.

ALL NUMBERS ARE JUST EXAMPLES

Young dinosaurs have more leeway since babies are squishy and all that.

• Juvie dinosaur injuries will heal 100% if you have at least 1 diet.

• Sub dino injuries will heal 100% if you have at least 2 diets.

• Adult injuries will only heal 100% if you have all 3 diets.

If you go from one stage to another without having achieved the appropriate diets, the "injury" will persist for the rest of your life as a small debuff.

• Broken leg: -3% speed

• Broken skull: Slightly impaired vision, edges of screen are blurred or dark. Also -5% attack.

• Broken body: slower alt attacks, slower turn rate.

• If at any point you reached 10% or below of health or blood and survived, all stats debuffed by 3% if you didn't have the appropriate diet(s).

How does this work for prime elder? It will be part of the criteria. If you get any of these debuffs you won't become a prime elder.

These lasting effects from getting severe injuries may encourage players to value their lives a bit more and not blindly run into a fight.
Unfortunately I can see it potentially backfiring in the form of megapacks and mixpacks similarly to how elder system has inadvertently encouraged mixpacks.

[indigo cave]

I know, I'm in engineering now tho

Went from dino autism to metal autism

[lost citrus]

probably a better career choice tbh

[past dune]

I was typing out a whole ass response then I realized it would probably be improper to throw in this channel.

I have a discord invite in my about me, you can join it if you like, I can continue rambling there.

[tight lynx]

Was kinda talking about perma injuries the other day to a friend. Trying to figure out a way to have like ceratopsians break a horn for life and not have it be absolutely lame and punishing that people never spar again

[azure wedge]

speaking of paleo imagine if trike got some paleo calls

[indigo cave]

Hopefully they go back and do give paleo calls to all apexes

[pliant urchin]

Ya, plus the devs have said it would be alot of work to put in visual injuries like that

[unkempt grail]

Interesting

[azure wedge]

i assume/hope this is the goal, but trex is a fan fav so maybe its just for him

[indigo cave]

Jagged horns having less range but more flesh damage

[cinder cave]

Bone splinters

[unkempt grail]

Could toss it in off topic, my phone is about to die so I probably won't be able to respond properly

[past dune]

I suppose.
Yeah I'll ping you when I send it.

[flat basin]

i've seen enough buff herrerasaurus

[dense kestrel]

how the frick did i not jsut get prime herra 💔 i traversed like 3/4 of the map was never infirtile , 2mzs , 4 pzs

[sick kraken]

did u 3 call before approaching a body

[indigo cave]

Dondi took awaith

[wheat coral]

May I also has ping

[flat basin]

"screw you, do it again" game design welcome to the isle

[versed plank]

Good evening, we have noticed that Grab is not working, and for herbivores the B and Y keys are not functioning.
When will these important issues be fixed?

[cinder cave]

Prime is not a requirement to enjoy the game

[indigo cave]

What the hell are B and Y Keys 💀

[dense kestrel]

it actually pmo sm

[pliant urchin]

We don't have any etas on updates but devs are aware of the issue and working on a fix

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lier-trending-gif-6708574292361340617

[ripe whale]

I think they're the ones that say Y and B on them

[dense kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[manic fulcrum]

Partially true

[indigo cave]

Magnus I'm going to skin you alive

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-affectionate-catseal-gif-24378251

[past dune]

That depends on what you enjoy about the game.

[pliant urchin]

No! You must be the strongest and fastest to win! All games are ONLY about winning!!! Nobody wants to play a simulation game where the goal is to exist and have fun!! You must win at all costs even if there is no prize!!!

[manic fulcrum]

I do agree prime shouldn’t be a requirement to enjoy the game, but the frail debuffs (specifically speed) basically make it impossible to even survive long enough to entomb if you aren’t living in a bush

[indigo cave]

^

[cinder cave]

I’m not here to play the game, I’m here to see big numbers when I press tab

[pliant urchin]

Agreed, imo frail didn't need so many debuffs

[indigo cave]

remove speed mutations

add far worse speed modifiers to the elder system

[manic fulcrum]

I’d like to make the frail prime and frail adult speed debuffs the same, and add a new debuff which would be far longer regen times

Because a small speed debuff is fine imo, just not what we have rn

Teno going down to 32km

[flat basin]

im sorry but this is straight up false

[indigo cave]

Call me crazy but you should never ever drop below adult stats, prime would just have a bit more weight and an extra mutation

[flat basin]

herrera going down to 28 km/h

[cinder cave]

I enjoy dying 20 minutes in due to a herrera

[wheat coral]

It is not

[indigo cave]

Hypsi 30km/h frail W (somehow)

[manic fulcrum]

You mean with prime? Or with any regression?

[cinder cave]

I’m here to play a game for fun, not to win an objectiveless survival game

[wheat coral]

Then people would never entomb

[manic fulcrum]

^

[indigo cave]

With both. The punishment for frail should be missing on the mutation, not whatever this kneecapping is

[flat basin]

then maybe give people better incentives to entomb

[indigo cave]

As an entombing enjoyer... Let them. Having a hard cap on your playtime is so ass

[pliant urchin]

I mean, I'm ok with frail being below adult stats. But I'm not a fan of the decreased speed. Being able to escape a situation you don't want to be in is half the game. And the speed debuff makes it feel hopeless

[flat basin]

small issue it's not fun to play as a terminally crippled inferior version of your dinosaur

[wheat coral]

Doesn't matter what incentives they give, if the choice is stay at full adult stats or have to regrow again as a baby, people will stay as the full adult

[indigo cave]

I love entombing, I wish it was available at 75%. But forcing players to start over is a horrid change

[manic fulcrum]

Ehhh. There do need to be SOME debuffs because otherwise people will just refuse to continue progressing their dinosaur via entombent. Which does need a few tweaks but point stands

[flat basin]

idk man the extra mutations sound good enough to me

[wheat coral]

it is not a hard cap on playtime

[dense kestrel]

its just the fact that i did explore and play the game as don said we should to get prime and i still didnt get it which means im being punished as if im afk lol

[manic fulcrum]

We already see it with prime Rex. The debuffs are so minuscule that they just never entomb

[indigo cave]

That's how the game was until a month ago and it was just fine. Right now entombing is not a choice, it's a "you are going to grow again and you are going to like it" kinda bs

[flat basin]

my honest hot take is that prime needs to be even HARDER to get, something only 1 in 150 players would get but frail elder shouldn't exist for dinosaurs under 1 ton in weight

[wheat coral]

And then once someone gets all their mutation slots filled out they would just stay as a super adult forever with massive advantages over everyone who has not entombed 4 times.

[cinder cave]

Hide, entomb, become stronger (yes the elder system has areas where it can significantly improve, that doesn’t mean failing to get prime means all your effort was useless)

[indigo cave]

Frail hypsi and ptera is a slap in the face

[wheat coral]

Its almost like thats the intended gameplay loop

[dense kestrel]

andd herra (just happened to me)

[wheat coral]

Grow and die and grow again

[pliant urchin]

It's nice having an extra 4 mutations if you happen to get PE 4x in a row. But also, I'm perfectly happy with 12 stacked mutations if I get FE 4x in a row

[flat basin]

Im ngl it kinda does

[wheat coral]

Hypsi and ptera grow in like 5 seconds and have some of the safest growths of any playables

[dense kestrel]

how slow does frail herra get?

[flat basin]

mostly on the smaller dinosaurs, like what do you mean im constantly in the threat of being pinned and deleted instantly only for my stats to begin decereasing the exact frame i go past 75.0001% growth

[past dune]

Not entirely useless, but it's still 100% the failure state.

[tardy breach]

28kmh

[indigo cave]

There was no reason to change it, it just forces you to arbitrarily die

Before you died when you messed up, now after playing for a while the game goes "yeah you can no longer nest, fight and you barely move so oops too bad you better die now there"

[dense kestrel]

ur joking

[tardy breach]

shouldve walked into more invisible circles bro

[wheat coral]

The devs don't want people remaining as immortal adults forever. Whuch I agree with

[dense kestrel]

8 appears not to be enough

[dire lily]

what is the prime allo and cera weight?

[past dune]

Just play the game bro

[pliant urchin]

This is where I'm thinking it would be a good idea for the devs to add an option for unofficials to disable elder system. Everyone would basically stop growing at 75%

[indigo cave]

Yet hypsi relies on agility to stay alive when it has to be on ground and ptera for some forsaken reason cannot nest after 100%

[dense kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173

regardless ima just enjoy my frail herra

[manic fulcrum]

Here’s my proposal.

1: Standardize the frail adult speeds to whatever the prime speeds are so that people can at least have a better chance at living towards entombment. Then add a regen debuff. It won’t let you refuse to survive like the speed debuff currently will, but you’ll feel it in gameplay

2: Allow saving entombs for another time if I wanna swap to another dinosaur. Example: I entombed my hypsi and I wanna go play dryo, next time i entomb my dryo and I wanna swap back to hypsi my entombents will be saved when I respawn as it

3: Give Juvies a grace period where they don’t lose mutations upon spawn, just so that people’s hard work isn’t ruined by death on spawn BS

[unkempt grail]

There was reason to change it
The primary flaw with the isle as it stood is that your end goal was a plateau, there was no gameplay loop, you grew, you got to adult, that's it

[past dune]

I think it would be interesting if you could disable prime elder on unofficials. Everyone get's frail, even the playing ground, no BS requirements.

[tardy breach]

i got prime herrera by going swamp>delta>highlands and using vulnona to double check the pz spots

no trees were climbed, i was sprinting the whole time

[wheat coral]

And its agility is not affected at one hundred percent. Plus its easily able to hide in foliage

[dense kestrel]

i did delta-hl-sp

[blazing jolt]

old dibble life sucks

[gentle valve]

Birb

[tardy breach]

L, ran down by rex

[indigo cave]

I don't see the issue... Psychopaths Aggressive players could PvP till they eventually died and chill fellas like me could pop up children and chill until we also eventually died.

Now both playstyles are straight up removed

[manic fulcrum]

Oh and some animals as primes need to be slower or the same speed as adults imo. Theres no reason prime Rex or Maia should be running as fast as they do

[wheat coral]

You can do the exact same thing though?

[indigo cave]

Going from 40 to 30km/h is a gigantic nerf wdym bro

[lime forge]

Dies someone know workaround dir GeForce now because evrima ia Not the Standart at Installation i cant Run IT in GeForce now wich sucks

[wheat coral]

You can sit and chill and nest until you are ready to entomb

[lime forge]

Over 2000 people are complaining at forums

[dense kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1157794547917664318/1459432000493453455/IMG_7031.gif

[gilded trellis]

It feels kinda bs at first, but there is clear benefits to entombing, the whole elder system also stops people from sitting on a bunch of max dinosaurs, encourages them to regrow. Since I remember back in legacy we’d just have alts with max Rexes and stuff

[wheat coral]

Agility is not just speed, even at 100 percent hypsi is very agile, can climb, jump very high, and lose any attackers in the lightest of foliage

[blazing jolt]

Prime rex ambush at 40km/h lmao

[indigo cave]

Yes, you can until the game decides you have had enough. Most creatures can only nest 2-3 times at best before you have to regrow all over again just to do it again.

I play stego, it is NOT fun to be forced into a 6 hour cooldown between nesting sessions :/

[dense kestrel]

its just so unneeded

[tardy breach]

imo i still think entombment is a consolation prize that people settle for over the alternative punishment rather than a true reward

[wheat coral]

And that is completely fine, apexes should not be able to pump out very safe growing apexes forever

[polar raptor]

Guys is the new playable carnivore worth redownloading the game? 👀

[flat basin]

Its the meta so yes

[tardy breach]

rex and allo are both insane

[polar raptor]

Yeahh but is it fun?

[flat basin]

Click lmb/rmb to oneshot the rest of the roster

[polar raptor]

Damn rex got released aswell? Maybe it is worth

[indigo cave]

God forbid you want to nest so you can talk and properly interact with others, apex herbivores are NOT an issue for the ecosystem

[polar raptor]

😮‍💨that doesnt sound fun

[flat basin]

Allo’s fun tho def best playable carnivore rn

[dense kestrel]

love me buggy pounces and insane bleed

[wheat coral]

Well, idk what to say, other than I'm sure there's unofficals that have elder disabled that you can play on

[polar raptor]

I heard its like the raptor with a jump attack. Maybe imma try it. Im giga lost on the map tho

[cedar mauve]

the bleed may be insane, but still perfection

[wheat coral]

Also relevant dondi quote

[dense kestrel]

nothing will be perfection untill megalania is released

[manic fulcrum]

While I do agree it’s annoying that you can’t nest past 100%, I also acknowledge that infinitely pumping out kids with your entombed dinosaur causes problems

[polar raptor]

They need to bring back the Evrima Map with the waterfall at south east i think where people used to chill at

[cedar mauve]

true though

[gilded trellis]

That does suck tbh, I think they shouldn’t make you suddenly not viable when you hit 100 percent. I don’t know if there’s a way to turn it off server side, I know in a server I play they have a whole automated rare skin system where you can get nested with skins that are kind of crazy and interesting depending on your location. It’s also rare so you could sit there for ages nesting and only get a few baby’s who have mutated skins.
I feel like this limit completely messes with people who skin farm in that server, which kinda sucks

[past dune]

[zinc abyss]

Mega pack players are bad for the game imo

[indigo cave]

This deeply saddens me. The isle pretends to be an ecosystem when the only thing they are interested in creating is PvP...

[polar raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

[flat basin]

not even pvp either

[manic fulcrum]

@indigo cave in your opinion, would it be be fine to let people continue nesting past 100%, but mutations would not pass down.

[gilded trellis]

That’s 90 percent of an ecosystem

[indigo cave]

Why would mutations not pass down?

[gilded trellis]

Like killing is why things evolve. To not be killed

[wheat coral]

Sorry to say, but in actual ecosystems creatures get old, die, and are replaced by younger members of their species

[zinc abyss]

One day when all the servers get merged and same species damage is turned off we’ll live there

[gilded trellis]

Part of it is also predators, so pvp is 100 percent necessary gameplay to the average isle server

[wheat coral]

The elder system actually does discourage pvp, in that you have something to lose if you die so people are less likely to endlessly deathmatch for eternity or until death

[indigo cave]

Wdym? Most large carnivores hunt, at most, once a week and herbivores straight up don't have to hunt

Animals are far, far more than killing

[manic fulcrum]

Because the problem with letting someone nest forever is that once they entomb, their children are gonna get 4 mutations off the start. Someone who grows a dinosaur just to pump out kids with multiple mutations forever for their group

[zinc abyss]

Slurm queen vibes

[gilded trellis]

Just add a limit in the code

[wheat coral]

They also instantly get full diet and a very large protector

[past dune]

inb4 someone says that you shouldn't design the game around it's worst players.

[pliant urchin]

Basically, the toxic clan problem in day of dragons

[indigo cave]

Yeah...? I always did matriarch builds. Sacrificing all my combat and comfort mutations for all three nesting ones. What's the issue with that?

[past dune]

Worse response than I expected tbh.

[cinder cave]

You kind of have to

[gilded trellis]

Omg, dude the day of dragons nesting is so toxic

[gilded trellis]

From who?

[past dune]

Yeah, 100%.

[indigo cave]

Hacker sometimes consider that if you don't have anything positive to say it's better to keep it to yourself

[storm sierra]

30 trikes sitting around nesting isn’t a ecosystem

[cedar mauve]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/lV5qrUMvPOMoEdeo9?invite=cr-MSwydlMsNDkwNzExOTcw&v=30

[storm sierra]

An ecosystem would be around 8/5 trikes defending their young and surviving with them. Not just endless egg pumping

[cedar mauve]

hacker?

[cinder cave]

If you don't protect normal players from those trying to give others a bad time, they will ruin the game for as many people as they possibly can

[pliant urchin]

@indigo cave I think if you like being able to nest that much you might find a solution in unofficial servers that have elder system turned off or some kind of sandbox mode if either of those becomes an option in the future

[manic fulcrum]

There’s no problem with that for the average player. Someone like you yeah, you just wanna have kids and enjoy the game

ShadowRex5-TTV wants to continuously pump out kids not for his enjoyment, but because he has a backlog of friends who wanna go around killing everything

[gilded trellis]

It’ll be an ecosystem when they get eaten by rexes

[regal mortar]

Endless egg pumping while also feeding them to carnivores

[past dune]

Indeed, I completely agree.

[indigo cave]

30 trikes would starve or be forced to graze forever on top of not disturbing the rest of the ecosystem unlike apex carnivores. Spamming herbivore apexes is NOT nearly as big of an issue as apex carnivores, if bad at all

[gilded trellis]

It’s the circle of life
Get born, eat plants get eaten by a rex

[flat basin]

yknow what im just fine with frail elder being less punishing to small dinosaurs

[polar raptor]

Holy you got outplayed hard son

[flat basin]

herrera should not be running at 28 km/h, hell the base speed it has now is low

[indigo cave]

Yeah I know, I have been playing a lot on PvE servers lately. But it's still terribly sad to see such an already underused yet beloved mechanic to get kneecapped

[gilded trellis]

You don’t want your small dinosaurs to have crippling back pain?

[storm sierra]

It lessenes the diversity and creates an environment where a majority of the server is just unkillable giants.

That isn’t how ecosystems works.

[wheat coral]

Well thats the thing. Hebrivores can survive forever off grazing, carnivores cannot. You can have 100 trikes on a server, all in one spot, and there is zero risk of death for any of them either from starvation or predation. Rexes cannot do that

[flat basin]

omni yes, the rest no

[manic fulcrum]

Mmm grass

[storm sierra]

The very existence of 30 trikes disrupts the ecosystem

[quaint isle]

I totally agree, it feels really dissapointing. Me and my twin, we both were huge on dinosaurs and she and I feel like this game's community at times due to the trolls or competitive nature I suppose discourages group play despite it being an integral mechanic

[indigo cave]

I'm so tired of killing the enjoyment of the game because of bad faith actors...

[past dune]

What ecosystem?

[gilded trellis]

Omniraptor gets scoliosis

[past dune]

THERE IT IS
@cinder cave I CALLED IT

[storm sierra]

If there’s 30 trikes who’s playing teno? Who’s playing troodon? Who’s playing pachy?

[quaint isle]

I agree, but if the game becomes 37 T-Rexes on one map it feels kind of silly I won't lie

[zinc turret]

if theres 30 rex's whos playing carnis?1

[gilded trellis]

?????

[cinder cave]

They didn't say they shouldn't, they just said they're tired

[gilded trellis]

30 allos

[past dune]

Aw fine.

[cinder cave]

Necessary evil

[indigo cave]

Yes, precisely. Herbivore do NOT need to kill to survive, if you have 30 rexes they are going to the most annoying plague to ever exists. If you have 30 trikes they are slow enough to not be able to kill anything while they can just chill on their corner of the map without issue

[storm sierra]

The thin fabric of the ecosystem currently in the game. It’s not good but allowing15/20 trikes to just eat endlessly and provide nothing otherwise makes it even worse.

[cedar mauve]

my first prime omni :(

[cinder cave]

Bf 6 time, because contrary to playing this game for enjoyment, I play bf6 to watch number go up

[wheat coral]

If you think that 30 trikes are incapable of being problematic boy do i have news for you

[storm sierra]

The solution is to not allow 20 of Rex and trike

[gilded trellis]

They provide babies to snatch

[wheat coral]

There's a reason that pior to rex and allo everything hated big herbivore players

[manic fulcrum]

I don’t think you should actively kill the fun, but there do need to be lines in place to ensure the bad apples don’t ruin it for everyone else

[polar raptor]

Idk what that is but i feel bad for you. Lag in this game is so frustrating

[storm sierra]

They should be playing something like teno or pachy/galli/dryo instead.

[dense kestrel]

im actually so happy with myself im enjoying my frail herra ! i just killed a sub allo

[zinc abyss]

Looking forward to the second

[flat basin]

imma join you

[storm sierra]

The less apexes that get easy growth the better

[flat basin]

also apex population limit tbh

[indigo cave]

Man pretending every pack is a coordinated discord server focused on ruining the server is such a tragic mentality to have.... More than once I had 40+ beipi kids in a day and they were all randos, we did nothing but talk and eat crabs in peace until we all logged off

[gilded trellis]

The rexes definitely help cull the large herbivores, but now there’s Rex overpopulation, I suggest we release type H gigas into gateway to cull the rexes

[cedar mauve]

indeed

[regal mortar]

Herrera is just one of those things you never ever emtomb

Because holy hell is it annoying to grow despite its short growth time

[wheat coral]

beipis are notably not giant apex herbivores that can kill most everything with ease

[cedar mauve]

yaaaaaayyyyyyyyy

[zinc abyss]

Rex overpopulation but that growth process is still pretty brutal

my 1,024kg infant life

[gilded trellis]

Wdym???

[lime tangle]

BRO I WANTED TO DIE

[past dune]

Regardless if they are normal players or people hellbent on fighting, 30 trikes is not a number to be taken lightly.

[wheat coral]

Well, 40 beipis existing is far less problematic then 40 trikes existing

[storm sierra]

You can still do that. Only large animas are effected by reaching 100%.

[indigo cave]

Yes but the same concept stands, if stegos could reproduce fast enough I would have done so too. The most I ever did was probably ~15 stegos and we just were chilling in highlands, munching plants and killing the random carno that attempted to kill the children

[zinc abyss]

We need Ankylosaurus to have a tail sweep that can obliterate hordes of small dinos off the floor

[brazen kraken]

or decrease the fracture damage for each bite/crash so trikes have a chance against rexes.

[gilded trellis]

Oh, sorry I think I misread your message as “beipis are notably not giant apexes but can kill almost anything with ease”
LMAO

[slim patrol]

Pretty sure they are doing stuff to make Rex vs Trike less 1 sided

[wheat coral]

You can start nesting at 50 percent, assuming a perfect diet constantly and a 6 hour growth rate, that is still more than half your life being able to nest in full clutches

[past dune]

A horrifying thought.

[wheat coral]

Thats a lot of baby steglets even with the limiter at 100 percent

[gilded trellis]

You bring a fair point

Rex mains will tell you that Rex is underpowered

[west plover]

in my opinion ptera prime elder should be possible but that's fantasy

[manic fulcrum]

Foregable Sanctuary Ai please

[regal mortar]

Foregable

[indigo cave]

Yes I'm aware, I have done it several times but passing down a single mutation while having to keep on the move while nurturing young is just dogwater

[cedar mauve]

rex mains are unemployed

[indigo cave]

Single mutation because parthenogenesis does not get passed down

[quaint isle]

the games has divolved into "which T rex ambushes 4 others and then grows too big to be stopped" on repeat on all the NA servers I have joined this week, it's really dissapointing. Of course, t rex is popular, I get it, but it's very overtuned, and then on top of that it just feels very lacking diversity despite the very inspiring set of playables. No survival or nesting is really valid, just pvp

[wheat coral]

2 mutations, unless you go with prolific or parth on the second one

[west plover]

because it is rex should have better stam regen better health regen better everything because it was ultimate lifeform irl

[wheat coral]

Still better than no mutations or parent

And I'm fairly certain nesting is a prime condition

[indigo cave]

Nesting a child to subadult yeah

[gilded trellis]

It’s sucks that right now your only options as Ptera are to have bad stats or die

[flat basin]

herrera is actually miserable rn

[dense kestrel]

god i love bullying a cera family off a corpse as a herra

[storm sierra]

Just nest in an area that spawns diet naturally?

[west plover]

if only you could get prime elder but you waste half of your growth time by actually getting to areas with diets and zones

[regal mortar]

Herrera growth has been miserable for a hot while, not just now

[indigo cave]

Hypsi after losing its colours and tendons heavy nerf... Both climbers are in shambles rn

[west plover]

and full stam regen takes 3% of your growth

[flat basin]

Not before

[storm sierra]

Herrea is still super strong as adult????

[dense kestrel]

herra and hypsie climbing is so damn bugged

[west plover]

ptera is not the journey to prime elder like playables with longer growth time, it's a race

[dreamy crag]

hererra in General is miserable

[regal mortar]

Were talking about the growth not the adult part

[gilded trellis]

Yea, I think they grow a bit too fast, they need the small tier mission completed

[storm sierra]

You can one/two shot a carno with bleed, stop complaining about a somewhat tough growth.

[dense kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1157794547917664318/1459432000493453455/IMG_7031.gif

[dreamy crag]

bruh what

[regal mortar]

Someones salty

[dreamy crag]

Sorry im employed

[gilded trellis]

I was really sad when I saw the colours now, I don’t know why they’d do this

[tiny falcon]

Does congenital mutation mean that you take less damage from larger creatures of any kind? Or is it taht if you take it on rex, technically you are the biggest species. Making it worthless?

[tiny falcon]

Not work even as a small rex??

[dense kestrel]

rex isnt the biggest

[storm sierra]

I mean it’s common sense , your Dino is strong as adult so it has a hard growth.

[regal mortar]

The issue is that herrera has a tough time growing for all the wrong reasons

[tiny falcon]

well does it work against allos as a very young rex for example

[flat basin]

Carno mains dont get a say in this sorry

[storm sierra]

You one shot oOmni

[dense kestrel]

i mean its common sense carno is easy to grow so its headbuts should be insanely broken am i right guys

[regal mortar]

By that logic allo should have INFERNAL growth difficulty, but well...

[dense kestrel]

easiest carnivore rn to grow

[dreamy crag]

Broski, I was talking about growing- Not life as an adult

Im sayin

Good luck killing a boar or chasing a deer as a baby herra-
Adult herra is just easy

[storm sierra]

You want to do all of this while being invincible in a tree 90% of the time. And also have an easy growth.

[indigo cave]

AFAIK they are reworking the colour palette so they murdered it

[gilded trellis]

Why change it though, the colours on hypsi weren’t eye bleeding or anything. I lost a nice skin and now I feel like no hypsi skin I make will look nice, it’s all just the same. Kinda unfortunate

[dreamy crag]

99% the time you either get lucky as a baby herra and find an unguarded body/scavenge or you canni

[storm sierra]

You can hunt fish/chicken/rabbits.

it just requires you to actually try while playing and not just brute forcing it. Just hunt small stuff, you can LITERALLY fish

[manic fulcrum]

Juvie Herrera/Juvie Troodon really need forgeable snails for sanctuary’s

[indigo cave]

Yeah

[dreamy crag]

Last time I played, AI spawns were extremely against me for several weeks straight
All on officials NA

[dense kestrel]

absolutely

[regal mortar]

No ones asking for free easy growth, just QoL improvements that would benefit all small carnivores

Fish are unreliable and dont spawn half the time, chickens and bunnies outspeed juvi herrera significantly

[vapid pumice]

2/3 of those things outrun you and fish are notoriously hard to find

[storm sierra]

Bugs don’t relate to balance

[urban comet]

I wanted to share this graph. I hate it. I wish for all of you to join me in my hate for this graph

[storm sierra]

That’s why you ambush them.

[indigo cave]

Wish that both diets could eat honey to get a diet (?) + water on sanctuary

[dreamy crag]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[vapid pumice]

there is no ambushing chicken/rabbit.

[flat basin]

You don’t know what you’re talking about btw

[regal mortar]

Also im sorry but this really just sounds like you got killed by a herrera one too many times

[dreamy crag]

Not even gonna bother

[vapid pumice]

they see you when you enter x radius and run away

[gilded trellis]

LOL

[dense kestrel]

ambush doesnt work on ai lmao i dont think u know what u r talking bout ai can literally see deino when its underwater

[manic fulcrum]

You do not ambush chickens and rabbits. You chase them till they die, you go near and they run

Or Ai in general yeah

[dreamy crag]

Good luck not getting 360 no scoped by that boar and his entire family

And nah you aint catching deer

why am I even bothering explaining myself

[gilded trellis]

Omniscient AI moment

[storm sierra]

Which is why I’ve grown a Herrea multiple times just fine?

It’s not hard, it just isn’t easy. And it SHOULD be somewhat difficult if you’re going to be able to FIGHT mid tiers.

You want an easy growth and a strong dinosaur, that isn’t how the game works.

[regal mortar]

This is like listening to someone who lives in a desert explaining how to survive in iceland

[dense kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-meme-ok-and-ok-and-gif-ok-and-meme-gif-25161118

[tiny wigeon]

boars annoy me sm, i get defending themselves is realistic or wtv but they nuke baby dinos

[serene nova]

The AI is coded with detection triggered when players enter a set radius. It doesn't check line of sight, noise, or even just reduce the detection radius for animals that are crouching. You literally can't sneak up on the AI

[flat basin]

My brother in christ you don’t know me

[storm sierra]

Jump at them from a tree.

Worst case scenario you tough your growth out till you’re big enough to fight deer.

[urban crow]

is allo on official evrima yet?

[dreamy crag]

Id say Herrera juvi difficulty depends on where you spawn

Sometimes you actually DO get lucky and find bodies to scavenge or ai fish to hunt

but that was RARE last time I played

[tiny wigeon]

ik you like bary which is peak

[sick kraken]

actually i think you can sneak up on ai now, its worked for me

[vapid pumice]

juvie herrera doesnt have the jump radius to reach AI whilst being outside of their detection range

[tidal haven]

So how long before plants can be eaten again? 3 months?

[dense kestrel]

theres this lil thing called being infirtile

[vapid pumice]

worst case scenario, you're functionally forced to become infertile

[gilded trellis]

Just eat fish

[sick kraken]

i crouch towards ai as omni and rex and it works, don’t even need to use cover i think crouching just does it

[dreamy crag]

This gotta be rage bait.

[storm sierra]

This is so wrong.

Crouching and line of sight 100% matters. I’ve USED it in game

[dense kestrel]

im playing petits there is no fish

[gilded trellis]

Isn’t there also no ai?

[hard bear]

Dont play on that server

[tiny wigeon]

they have fish disabled????

[flat basin]

Before HT i grew only herrera’s most of the time with a near 100% success and got several kills per run, it had it’s challenge, now it legit loses all of its diets & hunger 7 minutes after spawning and with west access’s removal it’s spawns are against it completely, now with frail elders being a thing herrera is borderline unplayable

[vapid pumice]

the fact AI can spot deinosuchus from underneath the water throws a wrench in this as a whole

[gilded trellis]

They can play on whatever server

[dense kestrel]

i dislike many others and it has a high pop i cant really ask for more

[hard bear]

Just wait for your free body drop from the sky or whatever.

[storm sierra]

Good.

This dinosaur is designed TERRIBLY and shouldn’t be this strong to begin with.

If you want an easier growth, you should also be in favor of nerfing it as an adult.

Herrea sucks. It’s stupid.

[hard bear]

Get spoonfed by discord bots or whatever

[tiny wigeon]

they are complaining about the server specific config, other servers have fish enabled. makes sense to not play that server if they dont like fish disabled

[cedar mauve]

That graph is really bland

[dense kestrel]

someone has lost many dinos to a lil herra boi havent u?

[storm sierra]

I’ll be in favor of allowing Herrea to grow easier when it can’t fight mid tiers as a 175 kg animal

[flat basin]

There we go

[dense kestrel]

bruh what did i do to u

[gilded trellis]

It sounds like they’re complaining about the body drop system which replaces AI

[hard bear]

Nothing, petits is just a lame server

[storm sierra]

I actually haven’t died to a Herrea as anything other than a juvie. Lol.

[dense kestrel]

i havent had any bad experiences

[tiny wigeon]

ah, i wouldnt know specifics as not a server i play

[storm sierra]

I just understand how ridiculous its combat is.

[dense kestrel]

its insane to me people like u can get so heated about a playable

[dreamy crag]

Call me crazy, but im not spending 1.5 hours spawning at swamp as herra just to starve to death bc there NO one there and no fish or ai to hunt

[elfin willow]

Soo... what did I do wrong here? I just killed off my frail trike.

1. Visited sanc, actually 2 sancs, eating shrooms living good life.
2. walked across the map, visited every single "region"
3. saw more Mz and Pz than I could count, visited in all areas of the map, walked up and down the whole delta.
4. Never infertile, always perfect diet.

WHY DIDNT I BECOME PRIME?

[storm sierra]

It’s designed terribly and no one has a single valid reason for why it should be able to achieve the feats its does in game.

That’s how. I don’t like nonsensical game design that no one here can explain.

[sick kraken]

you don’t believe in santa

[dreamy crag]

"All herra does is sit in a tree"

As if 99% of your gameplay isnt sitting in a bush afk growing

[tiny wigeon]

its a survival game not pvp game! (i believe this is the running argument rn)

[flat basin]

skill issue

[storm sierra]

What is this whataboutism?

[flat basin]

if you're dying to herreras as a mid tier that's 100% on you

[sick kraken]

pretty easy, it’s for fun

[urban comet]

I know it should feel ashamed

[elfin willow]

grown 2 dibbles done the same route and always prime :S But my trike decided to go frail.

[storm sierra]

You’re attacking an imaginary idea, I don’t do that.

[gilded trellis]

99 percent of my gameplay is running around

[unkempt grail]

Cuz it's fun

[flat basin]

get away from the treeline and sit down, you'll heal off the bleed

[sick kraken]

u believed in santa when u played dibble

[elfin willow]

lmao poor answer but i guess that the whole point in this game, to believe. lol

[flat basin]

unlike allo, raptor & rex that can send you to the character screen with lmb

[storm sierra]

Which is my point exactly.

I don’t want something to be this strong just because “it’s fun”

[dense kestrel]

explain how rex can crush something on the ground from 10m away , explain how raptor can stick on smths back whilst passing through a tree explain how cerato can force smth to vomit just by biting it immediately

[sick kraken]

herra isn’t overpowered tho…

i thought your complaint was it doesent make sense that it can climb trees and jump on you

[dreamy crag]

I think herra is in a decent spot, just has a rough juvi start but once you get on your feet its relatively smooth sailing

[dense kestrel]

yuppers

[storm sierra]

Bug.

Bug.

Cera has toxic materials in its mouth because it eats rotten food, that can make the target animal sick.

Anything else?

[sick kraken]

i think every carnivore is actually stronger than herra, unless one is slipping my mind

[flat basin]

if you think herrera is overpowered, what that tells me is that you're just not very good at the game from a logistics standpoint and your arguments are for the most part: void

[gilded trellis]

I play beipi usually and their hunger depletes fast, as soon as you spawn you have to run for your life to the nearest sanctuary, then after that it’s constant eating and drinking, finding safe water to drink. Going to the beach to unlock saltwater mutation. Then entomb and repeat

[elfin willow]

troodon has weak bf

[sick kraken]

troodon is pretty strong for its size.

[elfin willow]

if venom is applied yes

[storm sierra]

Can you explain that view point?

[hard bear]

Its pounce is where it shines the most with its venom stacking up big damage

[unkempt grail]

No that's why it's fun

[tiny wigeon]

cant even wish for a paleoaccurate one as they were underwhelming and would just play like a smaller omni

[sick kraken]

i mean yeah u need to apply venom… that’s the whole point

[dense kestrel]

i dont get why or how u get so heated over this its just a damn dino in a heavily fictional dino game , we have literal monsters for crying out loud

[elfin willow]

i said biteforce, venom different story

[dreamy crag]

Literally this theyre so slow on land too

[storm sierra]

Yes.

So things shouldn’t be designed just because “it’s fun”

It should serve a purpose.

[sick kraken]

oh i thought u meant tbf and forgot the T, never seen biteforce be called bf

[drifting shore]

creative liberty

[hard bear]

Me too

[storm sierra]

I’m not heated at all, I’m just responding.

[unkempt grail]

Herrera's growth should be slowed slightly so that it isn't forced to sprint through its elder requirements

[elfin willow]

now u have seen the abbreviation of it.

[tiny wigeon]

if they wanted a climber we couldve gotten microraptor or archaeopteryx

[sick kraken]

but i do think herra is currently the weakest carnivore

[dense kestrel]

well to me and many others u seemed quite heated but ig i cant see someones emotions through a screen

[storm sierra]

Nice one.

[tiny wigeon]

idc if they are tiny, ill glide between trees eating lizards and insects all day

[unkempt grail]

Yeah but that's not fun

[sick kraken]

can u name one that’s in a worse spot?

[tiny wigeon]

it 1 taps omni and omni struggles with anything above its weight

[hard bear]

One of the weakest on the ground, but it has incredible punch up potential from the trees. You just need to be in the right spot

[drifting shore]

honestly herrera with the elder system is so scuffed. Its a sit and wait animal its entire life, sticking to one area and not moving- and what do you have to do to get prime? move

[tiny wigeon]

i disagree but to each their own

[storm sierra]

Every carnivore is strong in their own way.

[unkempt grail]

Herrera is like deino but fair and balanced

[thorn oriole]

This FOV is awesome. How is this possible? Does this person just have an insane monitor?

#videos-and-streams message

[vapid pumice]

i think dilo kind of struggles but thats more due to being kinda left behind compared to other animals in terms of balancing

[sick kraken]

yeah but troodon i think is way more versatile and can take down pretty huge prey compared to itself, omni is that to a even larger degree, carno is a great specialist and cera is cera

[dense kestrel]

this guy doesnt think so

[hard bear]

Probably an ultrawide

[dreamy crag]

this is exactly what I meant by 99% of the gameplay is just sitting and waiting too

[sick kraken]

that’s true i haven’t played dilo much at all, but i thought its either op or super weak depending on if its bugs benefit it

[storm sierra]

One shotting mid tiers as an invincible 175 kg animal is fair and balanced.

[vapid pumice]

dondi would send nukes to this persons house 😭 😭

[lyric hollow]

Omni is
After the most recent pounce change

[gilded trellis]

Like, I think just surviving as beipi naturally meets the criteria for prime elder LOL

[hard bear]

Im not arguing herrera isnt the weakest, its definitely weak in some areas but strong in others.

[spare tinsel]

you can make it via config file, its cool.

[dreamy crag]

just get good 😎

[sick kraken]

oh they changed that? finally dude what were they thinking with the bleed

[vapid pumice]

the hurdles of having a pretty badly designed gimmick 🔥

[tiny wigeon]

omni got another bleed nerf man its getting weaker and weaker every update 😭

[lyric hollow]

It does literally nothing now 😭
Tickle monster

[thorn oriole]

Wait seriously? That’s insane

[flat basin]

Herrerasaurus is a glass cannon that depends on one key feature: it's ability to climb and drop down from the trees, if it misses the target, it's not resistant enough to actually fight, it's also slower than 3 carnivores that can easily kill it, one can one shot it while being both faster and more agile (Omniraptor).

If you get caught lacking by herrerasaurus it's because you walked right into it's trap, if you don't want to fall into this trap then be more alert, this applies to all ambush predators, if you're small and get jumped on by herrerasaurus that's on you.

as a mid tier though? you'll get some pretty nasty bleed but if you react quickly enough you'll see that you can 100% get away and heal off the bleed, the funny thing is that you claim herrera can 1 shot mid tiers, it cannot as it's damage is capped at roughly 500N, carno and cerato have 1300 and 1450 hp currently.

[sick kraken]

nah a little bit ago it was the strongest animal in the game

[ripe whale]

360 degree vision right there

[tiny wigeon]

its normal pounce does more bleed than its bleed dedicated pounce

[spare tinsel]

yea i forced a megawide (wider than ultrawide) on my 1080p

[gilded trellis]

I mean, it’s a pack animal, so your strength is in numbers

[thorn oriole]

@spare tinsel

Can you make the textures disappear too? Cause I’ve seen people do that

[lyric hollow]

Omni went from weakest to decently strong to weakest again

[dreamy crag]

"Oh no... Im standing under a tree in a known hotspot where herras spawn.."

This whole game is about taking risks- Every river you cross and drink at, every MZ you enter. The isle is arguably a horror game with how some mechanics work

[spare tinsel]

theres a lot of stuff you can make into that file that get you banned forever

[vapid pumice]

i think dilo is thankfully a pretty easy fix but the ideal fix for it has been spouted so much in here, and general feedback that i feel id just be parroting people if i went into it much more beyond

"1 bite = 1 clone charge"

[manic fulcrum]

It’s not weak rn

[sick kraken]

yea if omni bleed got reduced back down then id say its the weakest carni

[tiny wigeon]

never once has it been the strongest, it went from awful to a stronger carni to pretty weak again

[thorn oriole]

No way…

[spare tinsel]

sometimes the person is not hacking ya know? its just a setting.

[lyric hollow]

True, weak is still too much praise
It's non existent, pitiful, negligible

[gilded trellis]

No way, you’re the person who made the comprehensive elder guide

[dreamy crag]

ALSO HI KOUGA

[vapid pumice]

doesnt omni bleed ramp up the longer youre on the animal now?

[spare tinsel]

hi hi

[storm sierra]

Yeah I’m done.

[manic fulcrum]

Are you talking about the quote on quote bleed nerf

[thorn oriole]

Yeah it’s hilarious that people can just get infinite render range + no textures by just modifying config then lmao

[dreamy crag]

just curious, how many hours do yall have in the game?

[tiny wigeon]

after 12 seconds on a carno using the bleed pounce it does .45% bleed / tick

[vapid pumice]

2.4k i believe

[lyric hollow]

Mainly, yeah

[spare tinsel]

you can get rid of the complete darkness, fog and grass forever too

[dreamy crag]

D A M N

[vapid pumice]

thats... not awful i dont think was this one omni?

[tiny wigeon]

275 on my current attack

[gilded trellis]

Wait what are you guys referring to

[thorn oriole]

Lmao that’s insane

[vapid pumice]

@rare tide has 10k. dont look at me

[spare tinsel]

4k i think

[clever spear]

maybe dont advertise that lol

[inland furnace]

i have 4 seconds in the isle

[tiny wigeon]

yes it was one omni but thats laughably bad when you consider how little bleed resistence carnos have

[flat basin]

understandable, have a good rest of your day.

[spare tinsel]

nothing 🤷

[charred pollen]

I have like 2.8k hrs

[gilded trellis]

LOL

[sick kraken]

i have maybe 38 minutes

[dreamy crag]

Now these are people Id trust their opinions on the game about

[flat basin]

1311 hours

[manic fulcrum]

Fun fact. The rmb bleed WAS nerfed but the amount doesn’t seem to matter that much because the bleed is still nutty.

From what it seems, the normal pounce damage/bleed values were just accidentally swapped with the rmb values. Because normal still uses less stamina than rmb

[gilded trellis]

Wait, mega wide is a real monitor size???

[manic fulcrum]

It’s just bugged. You can use the “rmb bleed by just not holding anything

[vapid pumice]

correct me if im wrong but didnt carno get its bleed modifiers fixed with its rework during the NV rework update?

also, dont a majority of animals have basically 0 bleed resist? i remember bloodpool was (and still is, afaik) based on your weight? like a year ago, cerato and deino were the only animals with inherent bleed resistence

[tiny wigeon]

uh im not positive as i was at basic during that and i havent encountered any omnis since getting back

[lyric hollow]

Even if you consider a swap, the bleed inflicted by the current normal pounce is still extremely low

You need to stay pounced for approximately 115 seconds right now to bleed out regular carno

[vapid pumice]

fair enough

[manic fulcrum]

Yes Carno no longer has its bleed vulnerability

[slim patrol]

I think Carno had Bleed Vulnerability as a modifier

[clever spear]

i believe pachy had a higher bleed resist too, which I think got removed

[tiny wigeon]

normal pounce does more bleed than the bleed pounce

[vapid pumice]

oh yarg

still waiting for my pseudo pachy sparring to come back......

[spare tinsel]

nah

[lyric hollow]

Yes and I'm talking about normal pounce
If you use rmb pounce you gotta stay latched for several minutes

[gilded trellis]

Do the devs know. Definetly should be fixed

[clever spear]

did it not? I might be wrong but I thought that was a thing back in spiro and early gateway

[dreamy crag]

oooo Pachy sparring rework?

[spare tinsel]

all unreal devs know about it

[tiny wigeon]

yep, normal pounce does .65% per tick after 12 seconds and bleed pounce does .45% per tick after 12 seconds

[gilded trellis]

Oh it’s unreal itself. That’s rough

[spare tinsel]

still 0.35 resist

[hard bear]

*fix, and yes eventually

[clever spear]

any new info on that? I think the devs mentioned that once quite some time ago

[manic fulcrum]

I tested this morning, the bleed is certainly not weak. Asking a friend what the value was because I don’t remember off the top of my head

[inland furnace]

a friend said to me the most isle sentence ever in response to something related to the isle and i just had to share it

you have gameplay in your bug

[vapid pumice]

i want my shotgun sounds..,,,,

[clever spear]

as in, it still has a higher resistance that never got removed? that'd be great

[manic fulcrum]

Think a full normal (supposed to be rmb) bleed pounce took a Maia down to like give or take 40-60% blood

[spare tinsel]

beipi also has bleed resist, its funny.

[gilded trellis]

The isle isn’t that buggy anymore

[dreamy crag]

Ill keep my eye out!

[lethal onyx]

It still bleeds badly though, just on account of you not being able to trot, your entire combat is based on running

[manic fulcrum]

Well yeah if you are running. That goes for anything

[lyric hollow]

We have different definitions of weak then.
The bleed currently is on the lower side compared to the rest of the roster. Regular bites by most dinos do more bleed than several seconds of omni normal pounce.

[clever spear]

ah ye, ill def be playing more pachy tho, once trees can knock off pouncers again

[tiny wigeon]

normal pounce does .65% per tick after 12 seconds and bleed pounce does .45% per tick after 12 seconds on a base 99% growth carno

[spare tinsel]

i always liked pure damage anyways, i know exactly how much damage im dealing to the prey.....

[tiny wigeon]

the bleed pounce now also does more pure damage than regular pounce

[manic fulcrum]

Even so, Omni still has damage and can kill a Pachy in less than a minute

[spare tinsel]

talkin abt lmb

[tiny wigeon]

ah the one that does a ton of dmg and 0 bleed

[gilded trellis]

I once got shredded by a herras bleed as a hypsi and since then I’ve never known peace

[manic fulcrum]

Even if Omni is gonna do Less bleed, it still guts a Pachy in half

[spare tinsel]

im very aware, which is why i love it.

[tiny wigeon]

packy is barely larger than it

[spare tinsel]

its more than double its weight wym

[manic fulcrum]

you can literally kill a Maia with a full damage pounce

[tiny wigeon]

isnt it 450kg fullgrown omni to 500kg full grown packy

[spare tinsel]

*a stego

[gilded trellis]

We need more damage that isn’t some status effect and just. “I bite really really hard”

[manic fulcrum]

Pachy is 700kg now

[spare tinsel]

pachy is 700kg, omni is 350kg

have not been following prof kouga

[tiny wigeon]

fullgrown or elder

[manic fulcrum]

Adult, elder is 900kg

[lyric hollow]

Omni 395!

[tiny wigeon]

ive been at basic training for 3 months

[spare tinsel]

oop mistype, im half asleep.

[manic fulcrum]

Omni a 395kg animal can kill a Maia by depleting its stamina and the Maia happens to not buck

Is this situation real? No. It can happen though

Or I guess a stego as kouga said

[tiny wigeon]

interesting balance changes while i was gone

[manic fulcrum]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/lUVykYaUBemEv1Uz7?invite=cr-MSxEZmssMjQxOTgyOTg3&v=129

[manic fulcrum]

If you just happen to find an afk player, spend 2 minutes and they are dead

[spare tinsel]

if you count full lmb stamina, it deals about 6k dmg, bit less than it

[manic fulcrum]

[tiny wigeon]

peak balance

[spare tinsel]

a lot of dinos have bleed resist, and its also conditional (increases when trotting, decreases when walking), so i always liked pure raw damage better

[manic fulcrum]

Bleed or not, Omni is nutty

[gilded trellis]

A slight scratch.

[manic fulcrum]

Also tbh making Omni more damage focused is fine imo, differentiates it more from Allo

[lethal onyx]

Some omnis don’t understand this, I had one try bleeding a prime cera, hit him with:

[manic fulcrum]

Ohhh kouga, have you seen the bucking buffs

[spare tinsel]

allo deal about 0.6 bleed with one single claw attack, as far as i tested last patch
its kinda insane

[tiny wigeon]

do you guys think bary is gonna be a bleed focused carni

[spare tinsel]

no

[rancid plaza]

that doesn't seem like a lot

[spare tinsel]

its almost 1% bleed lost every tick

[tiny wigeon]

its a ton for a single hit, it takes omni 12 seconds of latching to do that

[true solar]

They never adjusted the claw or the bite attacks while allo was in horde test only the pounce bleed amount which is insane

[gritty hamlet]

100%

[analog turret]

Yes

[tiny wigeon]

sad

[rancid plaza]

[gilded trellis]

It also suits it more being a pack hunter. In the long run being able to deal more raw damage as a group is very good. With a little bleed on the side.

[lyric hollow]

I don't understand the point of this statement
Theoretically a troodon can kill a trike if it allows it

But why would anything allow it

[tiny wigeon]

theoretically a pt can also

[manic fulcrum]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/lUVQt1I004V9tg14_?invite=cr-MSx4V2ksMjQxOTgyOTg3&v=118 The % value to buck is MUCH higher now, it also uses little to no stamina as well so it’s a pretty free attack. Another thing I didn’t clip is that if one gets bucked they all get bucked instead of one individually

Basically: bucking is nutty, but no more terrain to use

[rancid plaza]

i don't know what dino you're playing

[lethal onyx]

Grassdon

[gilded trellis]

Could a hypsi kill anything if they let it. I wonder

[oblique matrix]

do herreras have something against eachother?? i keep getting killed by other herreras

[lethal onyx]

Weirdly cannibalistic

[tiny wigeon]

idk if hypsi does enough to out damage healing

[oblique matrix]

damn

[spare tinsel]

you lost my attention when the big omni appeared.

[manic fulcrum]

That’s just a silly hypothetical. Obviously yeah an afk player is gonna die. Point is that Omni has NUTTY damage

[gilded trellis]

Lack of food probably

[manic fulcrum]

Hahaha yeah……..clip doesn’t show too much other than that the chance is much higher now

[spare tinsel]

rather interesting, but im missing terrain already

[west plover]

trex needs higher bleed resistance, animal that evolved specifically to kill bleeders will have bleed resistance

[gilded trellis]

Find the terrain

[vapid pumice]

herrera generally falls apart without discord communication to properly plan out jumps and such, so solo herrera is a pretty popular playstyle.

with that said, you cant have two ambush hunters in one spot. one's gotta go, and usually that means death :P

[true solar]

So is bucking better now? got confused when you said its a pretty free attack?

[west plover]

it's easier to spot group of herreras than single one

[manic fulcrum]

Oops. I didn’t mean attack. But yes bucking is essentially free. There’s a slight stamina cost but it’s like saying ceratos charge bite stamina drain is a stamina cost

[graceful valley]

is this rare?

[unkempt grail]

Herrera is extremely friendly fire prone
And a lot of Herrera players are extremely untrusting of other herreras, and prefer to kill first before they get killed

[vapid pumice]

its certainly ugly

[manic fulcrum]

The tradeoff basically being that you are open to attacks while bucking which is fair

[glacial panther]

looks like a kid whose parent is a cannibal, its typical

[true solar]

you can buck while moving though so you could possibly dodge slightly?

[manic fulcrum]

No reason to bring back terrain knocking stuff off after this bucking change tbh

[wheat coral]

I would never accidentally kill my fellow herreras more than 5 times

[manic fulcrum]

Possibly yeah

[clever spear]

please dont say that. we absolutely need terrain back

[true solar]

if it bucks all parties off & costs very little I would be tempted to agree.

[manic fulcrum]

I can assure you, you don’t

[gilded trellis]

When your only play style is assassins creed and everyone has gotten so traumatised by good herra players that they stop falling for it, you run out of food and you’re forced to revert to your wild fishing ways, until you get killed by deinos, so you have to
Resort to herra violence because atleast you’ll have a chance to kill something

[true solar]

how ever it might look buggy as hell if they didnt get knocked by the biggest of trees or rocks

[manic fulcrum]

You can literally buck Every Raptor (and Allo I assume) at once, at the cost of basically nothing

[true solar]

the TINY palms that litter the forests now that have collision nah but the bigger trees & rocks sure?

[manic fulcrum]

Bucking is now what it always should have been: the definitive answer to latching

[true solar]

ppl still might use terrain still further though

[cinder cave]

Guys I can't tell if this is real or ai and I'm scred

[manic fulcrum]

Oh they will

But it’ll be better because the terrain won’t just kill you (unless it’s a cliff)

[gilded trellis]

It looks like an edited image

[true solar]

more so for solos or new ppl who are alone they will need that terrain to hopefully tunnel attacks into their own attacks

[halcyon dove]

...have you considered it might be photoshop'd?

[cinder cave]

It's real I knew it

[halcyon dove]

mods, lower this mans credit score

[glacial panther]

wiwiwi

[cinder cave]

wiwiwi

[manic fulcrum]

Terrain will be what it should be: an advantage, not a deciding factor

Bucking will be what it should be: strong counter to forcing latchers off, while leaving you open to attacks

[gilded trellis]

That’s not what.. they said

[true solar]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[manic fulcrum]

It’s literally Grapple Christmas

Speaking of. I need to take this hat off

Done

[gilded trellis]

no!!

[wheat coral]

Before terrain was essentially a requirement

[true solar]

I havent played the isle since the 10th because of the herbivores struggling so badly with eating. & for bigger herbs taking up to a minute to eat a 1 bite when the food/diet gives jack all already im not dealing with that crap.

[manic fulcrum]

Yep. Now it won’t be. You can still use it, but it’s not going to hold your hand which is good. Because you can use a GOOD bucking system

[true solar]

a minute if your lucky. I tried for 5 minutes when i last played & couldnt

[gilded trellis]

There’s this one bush type in my diet I can’t eat and it makes me upset every time I can’t eat it

[tidal haven]

Yep literally just got snuck up on and killed sitting there fidgeting around on a damn plant for 45 seconds because I can't eat it. Closed the game not coming back till it's fixed.

[manic fulcrum]

There’s still a few objects with collision, but I think that’s from the foliage updates, with a few things being accidentally forgotten

[true solar]

I was playing stego when I was able to eat before then which is wild I think it was acertain age that kicked in

[manic fulcrum]

Specifically rocks & Savannah trees

[tidal haven]

More specifically I'll be back in 3 months or so

[gilded trellis]

Change in diet maybe and plants in the diet are bugged

[flat sage]

Can anyone give me any tips I started playing yesterday?

[true solar]

the eating assist wasnt needed WHO needs that kinda thing? you can already smell on the compass & it leads you to food why do you further need assistance with walking up to it? PLEASE someone make this make sense.

[gilded trellis]

What are you talking about

[true solar]

I had delta mz/pz

[slim patrol]

......

[frail moon]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-angel-gif-20243447

[gilded trellis]

There’s a red bush in delta I’ve been consistently unable to eat from

[slim patrol]

I lost my TROODON TO A REX

[gilded trellis]

I can turn myself LMAO

[manic fulcrum]

Just an ease of access thing

[analog turret]

Yeah it’s not a big deal

[true solar]

As soon as that was added everything broke

[tidal haven]

Only a red bush? There's tons of plants I can't consistently eat. Basically ANY plant that would actually put a dent in my hunger is impossible to eat. I can only eat bananas and crap that cures 0.1% of my hunger

[patent hollow]

I just realized herreras animation for walking/swimming along the bottom of a body of water looks heavily inspired by kangaroo locomotion, kinda neat

[old shale]

shooo shooo go away

[gilded trellis]

Dang, I only play beipi, the red bush is my only nemesis

[tidal haven]

Seems to work better for smaller herbis

[rancid plaza]

your stam rapidly draining is considering nothing?

[slim patrol]

Any chance pounce is gonna get fixed? I latched onto a juvie Rex and still got crushed to death

[vapid pumice]

it does not rapidly drain anymore

[tidal haven]

Maybe next year

[manic fulcrum]

Bucking doesn’t rapidly drain stamina anymore

[gilded trellis]

Yea, luckily beipi does pretty well with most of its diets. Just that bush

[urban comet]

gaze upon my spread sheet ye mighty and dispair

[rancid plaza]

well now I have to get on to see if this is true lmao

[gilded trellis]

What does this represent

[manic fulcrum]

I don’t have a bucking POV video to prove sadly, I was the raptor in testing

[unkempt grail]

This surely is a spreadsheet, what it means I have no idea

[true solar]

I was growing a baby stego was able to eat sanct mushrooms no problem I left the delta sanct & went more west to a pz area that was popped up. I was able to eat & somewhere between 37% & 40% I was afk coming back at 40% very hungry & low on food/dietes because of the grow spurt I had just went thru I could not eat any of the diets. I had JUST eaten from a rare Y diet in the delta before afking for a minute or so.

[urban comet]

Raptor bleed on its neutral and bleed pounce.

[tidal haven]

For me I can eat most stuff when I'm smaller, gets impossible to eat as u get larger for the most part. I got in a fight, zero stam regen, terrible bleed resist, no buffs what so ever. I survived that fight and eventually got snuck up on fidgeting on a bush I was trying to eat for like 45 seconds, because if you somehow find some magic spot you can eat it, but that's extremely rare.

[gilded trellis]

Why so many ups and downs

[manic fulcrum]

Life is full of them

[halcyon dove]

wtf is your x axis? is it time? i cant read that tiny word lmao

[urban comet]

Tick values. So the server does not give a perfect number so because of rounding part of the 0.5 for example goes one way and the other one goes the other way.
So instead of 2,2,2, you get 1.5,2,1.5

[urban comet]

Don't worry, there are 200 data points there, it will never be readable.

[gilded trellis]

I see, I don’t understand but I’m sure you know what you’re doing

[analog turret]

Numbers

[urban comet]

You know how Hacker does massive paragraphs no one actually reads?
I do the same with graphs.

[true solar]

knock knock

[keen haven]

You forgot to mention that the person using Buck consumes more stamina than the person grabbing it. It's a mechanic that offers no benefit when used.

[gilded trellis]

LMAO. I’m not even hacker and I felt targeted

[halcyon dove]

oh yeah have you tested rex's actual fracture dmg yet? your HT vid was way off and made a crapton of assumptions that werent right.

you can test it really easily right now with the shift ins menu

[urban comet]

Did you see what he posted earlier today, it was 5000 words. No one is reading that.

[rancid plaza]

I read them sometimes

[keen haven]

It's much better to try find a rock/water than to hold the E.

[verbal glacier]

I can never eat plants, how can I solve this problem?

[rancid plaza]

whos there?

[urban comet]

yes I checked the dev panel for the actual fracture values. The math still works though. Because I based it off percentages.

[true solar]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-movie-asdf-door-knock-knock-gif-24176935

you fell into my trap sorry FlappyMud

[rancid plaza]

😔

[halcyon dove]

i still find it funny rex straight up doesnt do leg fracture dmg until it just... does

[gilded trellis]

I think I saw that, I was expecting it to be a message by dondi or another dev.

[true solar]

I hope this still means we can chat sometimes

im off to play planet zoo while I wait for herbivores to be fixed o/

[analog turret]

Enjoy

[true solar]

making a reptile park in honor of not being able to play the isle v.v

[manic fulcrum]

They do not. I can’t express anything else other than It costs little to nothing

[rancid plaza]

type of stuff I see before waking up 😭

[true solar]

I also struggle with making habitats way to big for them so this is also a practice run xD

[manic fulcrum]

I have no clue what patch bucking was hyper buffed, but it’s here

[gentle valve]

Quetz is peak quetz is life

[analog turret]

Add megalania

[amber hull]

Was there ever fix a for eating as herbi's?

[gentle valve]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-quetzalcoatlus-t-rex-tyrannosaurus-rex-fighting-gif-630618273116416890

[gilded trellis]

Also it was just about how the elder system is flawed since it doesn’t tell you what the requirements for prime elder are.

[ripe whale]

Woah

[gilded trellis]

LOL

[true solar]

nope

[gilded trellis]

Eat issue

[gentle valve]

Ea tissue

[urban comet]

ironically I did actually read it lol. As I do most things, including that 14 page word document he sent me that one time...

[true solar]

officially been a week now since they broke it

[amber hull]

feck man my trike is 5% away from prime and its taking so long trying to keep it up

[flat basin]

We need a proper performance update tbh

[urban comet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[true solar]

this is why i havent played since the 10th

[halcyon dove]

am i tweaking? has trikes tail always been this long?

[gilded trellis]

We got Alexander Hamilton in the server

[manic fulcrum]

Quetz. Quetz. Quetz

[true solar]

no I swear it was shorter in legacy

[gilded trellis]

I felt the same when I saw Rex

[gentle valve]

Cant wait for the devblog, i hope kissen will put the height comparison there, she said she might oneday i hope that day will be the 31th of janury

[halcyon dove]

i didnt even play legacy, like the entire time ive been playing evrima i thought trikes tail was tiny? i just looked at it by chance and got mentally flash banged

[gilded trellis]

Hear me out, it would reduce the amount of trikes, which would be a net positive

[vivid harbor]

did that omni raptor bleed pounce get nerfed yet or is sit still good