ai-feedback-discussion

[sleek bone]

oasis? it would do the server a favour

[light rain]

Oh ik...

Welp boys time to go get my utah army to steal all the ak47s

Maybe grab a jetpack to fight ptera

Imagine human ai with guns...

Legit gonna have aimbot

[sleek bone]

hijack a merc helicopter, get it about 200ft before it capsizes and smashes in to the side of a cliff where pteras were nesting, explosion destroys their nests and hatchlings

[light rain]

Worth losing that one utah tbh

[sleek bone]

a worthy sacrifice

[light rain]

Exactly

Legit fried ptera

Hell yea

[light rain]

Imagine utah being able to kill a human home owner

And live off the human food for days

While watching tv

Well ima sleep

[sleek bone]

yeah same

still funny how this dude spent 2hr to get his carno to 30% and die to a pig. L

[keen totem]

@sullen brook 30% only in 2 hours? In 2 hours I'm 75-80%

[chrome sable]

kicko

[sullen brook]

You think it's funny. I can see how that is. Sorry I don't sweat for hours on this game. Definitely not a nolifer playing dinosaur games. I only play the isle to keep up with it's development and track it's progress but bro, the progress is about as bad as dying to a pig. Get over it.

[sleek bone]

Get over what? Lmao.

[light rain]

sorry man but how did you die to the pig?

did it ambush you?

[sullen brook]

I was injured and it literally chased me across two fields. It wouldn't stop even if I was well away from it. I ran out of stam and I couldn't outpace it. It was the most dissrespectful thing but it makes me mad because the ai seemingly has unlimited stamina and imo the hog is OP to a smaller carno.

[light rain]

Wow

Whats weird is hogs normally dont do that for me

Like i run 5 meters and they stop

Keep in mind i use juvie utah

Maybe just a bug

[cyan cliff]

i also had where they just chased me from a mile away, eevn when it was impossible to see/hear me. they should add some kind of stam to the AI’s, and the less stam they git the less energy they have to do good attacks

[light rain]

Yea ai stam is broken

I mean look at goats...

But i cant even find ai the much lmao

[chrome sable]

You were at 30% after 2 hours?

Like if your in that range a single body would be enough to make that happen in 30m

Unless you were eating carnos

[sleek bone]

Carno has other carnos on its diet so there is actually no excuse lol

[fierce yoke]

boar does not have infinite stamina btw, takes couple minutes to drain it but eventually even though it still chases you it keeps swapping to trot which indicates that it indeed can run out of stamina

i suggest you test it out yourselves sometime

it can also give up on chase but i dont know what the X requirement for that is

[keen totem]

Requirement is getting killed

[cerulean fiber]

I just met the Jesus Christ of lambs, walking over the water of the sea, a marvelous sight.

not so wonderful for my starving carno, though

[fierce yoke]

there is a genuine condition in which it gives up the chase, but its difficult to say if its just AI forgetting you are there or not

[sleek bone]

I noticed boars just stopped chasing my raptor after a very short pull range unlike the previous update

[keen totem]

that surely is a bug sadly

[sleek bone]

It actually accidentally made me kill 2 because they were together and the blood wasnt showing up i was trying to separate them ):

[short canopy]

The only AI I've seen are pigs, fish and turtles. I think it's horrible..

[chrome sable]

You must be blind

They are everywhere

In fact it’s actually hard to play dryo with the boars around

Cause they do decent enough damage to win a fight

[gaunt nebula]

AI is still broken, i've been in areas with none in miles either direction, and then been in others with like 10-15 roaming around

[proven jasper]

Could of just been behind another player who ate them without knowing it.

[gaunt nebula]

Well yeah but i doubt he would fit 10 in is stomach

[proven jasper]

Could of been a pack

[gaunt nebula]

I don't ever have a AI problem though, hit oasis fill up stomach then hunt AI and grow

I've just noticed some area's won't have any AI anywhere but will have a abundance of plants which is AI for herbies

[chrome sable]

That’s a scam link

[sleek bone]

“Disorde” are they even trying anymore?

[glad tangle]

Wdym it’s so legit

[keen totem]

@drifting meteor ai does respawn

[drifting meteor]

Not enough, as verified by 90% of the AI feedback posts which beg for it to be a thing lol

[chrome sable]

It got patched

People are just reposting cause pier pressure

[tender crow]

@bold halo Oddly enough boars and fish seem to be common enough, but the other AIs seem to be lacking. Which sucks for young Utahs and Carnos who can't really hunt either (actually you can hunt fat fish in some places, because they are just that stupid).

[bold halo]

Im noticing that as well, its an especially rough life for a young utah because even if you pounce the boar's targeting makes it do a hurricane spin and once you jump off you're dead.

[light rain]

So boar is a confirmed herbivore now

Gotcha

[sleek bone]

boars are easy as utah at any stage past hatchling lol

[light rain]

Not juvie

Boars are aggro at utah until 40% i think

[grave coral]

nah i can confirm also based on last night's gameplay, the issue is still there

[sleek bone]

Yeah i just let them run to me and then pounce and they’re easy to beat after the disengage

Saves stam to just let them come to you they offer themselves up

[uneven comet]

Even when I am 100% they still hunt me

[light rain]

Weird because a boar kept chasing me until i became 40%

Thats when i could land free hits

[sleek bone]

Boars seem to have a pull range on adult utahs at least

They do still attack though which makes them more convenient to hunt tbh

[tame moat]

they also have a very long agro range. ive been attack by 3 boars out of nowhere while eating a bush

[sleek bone]

lol a while back a boar just launched over a big ass rock and oneshot my hypsi. I shook a pack of utahs in a field chase and dodged 3 carnos just to die to a pig, was pretty funny tho

[bold halo]

Vid pls.

Because they just spin in circles till I hop off then they kill me during my "recovery" from a pounce

[tender crow]

Boar switch to flight mode when they are damaged enough, at which point they will run from you. If healthy they seem to be aggro even against fully grown Utahs.

[west token]

Like a true boar

Has malice for everything and fears nothing

[chrome sable]

People begging for Dino ai don’t have the ptsd from QA

Especially if they’re asking for carnivore ai

[jolly crag]

we need dryo ai for the carnivores diets

but

carnivore ai

no nononononononono

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

[uneven comet]

Ooh pls no just small dino-herbivore ai like dryo is enough

[digital heart]

i think like every dino should be as an AI in the game, but you should have the ability to choose for servers (maybe even singleplayer servers) if you want all dinos as AI or just diet related or just a PvP server

[chrome sable]

Where is my isle campaign as a human

Isle story mode

:discover the long lost secrets of Isla spiro as you venture across a vast land full of prehistoric beasts. Will you Survive long enough to discover the secrets of AE or will you fall to the hands of a brutal dinosaur. Will you survive the isle:

All we need is every Dino as an AI, a single player mode, a campaign and cutscenes,
a saving system, a more reliable source of human pve, the time to do this, and a completed game

It’s perfect

[digital heart]

yea, i think also a singleplayer like thing could be cool for people like me, that hate the random killer guys in servers

[long nova]

great suggestion the @minor compass

[chrome sable]

It needs some tweaking

But it would be nice

Cause rn when I play dryo I’m like a beacon for every adult carni there is

[sleek bone]

i kinda miss baiting carnis who thought i was ai

[keen totem]

I want dino ai but not carnivores, cause theres supposed to be more herbivores than carnivores

[light rain]

Yea but carnivores are meant to keep population down

But we know how that goes

[keen totem]

Like you know, in the current state of the game, herbis keep carnivore population down

[light rain]

Yup...

You would think herbis would be more defense than offense but nope

[chrome sable]

Honestly wouldn’t mind some unique hypsi ai

Like sits at the side of a forest in view then when it sees something runs to a set tree in said forest and hides in it

Then leaves to another forest border and repeats

[glad tangle]

ah yes autoaiming blind spits just what i like

[dire otter]

Simply a matter of skill

[light rain]

That would be so annoying smh

Why not idk? Give hypsi a proper aim ui for spitting

[glad tangle]

if they do it right then it would be fine

but if theyre hitting like 90% of spits then that would be horrid

[light rain]

Yup

You cant do auto aim right

Aim assist yea

But auto aim no

[glad tangle]

idk fully but i wouldnt be surprised at the same time

[tepid dirge]

Boars are sooo annoying

They never stop running at you

then u run out of stam and die

[light rain]

They do stop chase

[tepid dirge]

True, but when i was playing as ptera i landed gaining stamina had half stamina full and i tried flying away but then got smacked

[glad tangle]

LOl

boars used to be a lot worse

[light rain]

I remember a boar chasing me across the map

Legit after i went through 2 rivers i though i was safe and decided to heal and boom i died to the boar again

[light rain]

I one time got a boar that was chasing my baby utah to kill a baby pachy

Lmao

[tardy burrow]

The whole feedback suggestions is more ai or spawn them more frequently. I agree with this. To have a large map you either need to fill many places with ai or increase the player limit. But ya ai is very sparse. Especially playing denio I find you get some fish or you get none. Plus it’s rougher playing carnivores since it’s so hard to find ai on the land.

[turbid river]

wanted to ask something, do we get ai babies in the future? 😮 I searched on the internet but couldn't find something about.

[digital heart]

well i THINK punch said that we cant nest and spawn AI babies but if they will spawn in nature randomly, i dont know. but for my part i really hope so because the AI in the isle needs A LOT of work

[tardy burrow]

I agree

[chrome sable]

That would be awful, spawn a baby Rex ai and Feed an entire pack of Utah’s

[digital heart]

well it would need a lot of balance testing for sure but i think if a baby rex gets protected by its mother the pack of utah will most likely think twice before attacking

[tardy burrow]

True

[digital heart]

i think the AI would be a great mechanic for people that like a "singleplayer mode" more than just getting killed by some bored kids

[tardy burrow]

😱 that might be a good idea. Ya like a single player mode with ai allowing people to grow and play around. I like that idea

[digital heart]

yea especially if you could just like play with an AI with your friends so you dont have to play on a busy online server

[tardy burrow]

Ya I agree I like that.

It would be so cool to see the ai as well like attack one another and grow along side us.

Well more on the Dino side at least

[digital heart]

yea i hope they will put more time in AI because games like Red Dead redemption or GTA already have a great AI but in this game its not that good

[tardy burrow]

Ya I agree like. You could build a whole ecosystem with ai. Especially the map size they have.

[digital heart]

I think if the devs would make this possible a lot of people would buy the game

[tardy burrow]

Possibly but there is also the fact that multiplayer too if you add ai there could also benefit from a much more diverse eco system

Like picture chillin with your friends and a pack of ai stego's roam through

[digital heart]

also the hunting system for AI is really bad right now i think if there would be herds that look out for danger it would be a lot more funnier

[tardy burrow]

yea that would be cool. haha. But also it would be cool to see a pack of ai stego's be grazing in a field then a rex pulls up and they run for the hills haha

[digital heart]

that would give me a really cool ARK feeling i think

[tardy burrow]

Yea haha. But definitely alot that can be done.

[digital heart]

i think ill also write something in AI feedback and hopefully the devs will read

[tardy burrow]

Yea good Idea

[light rain]

is it just me or does coastal have ai spawn waaay more than other areas of the map

i legit always find sea turtles which let me never starve

and i know where water is

which is really close...

so coastal is like heaven for all juvie carnivores

since I dont think diets plants spawn there

so what im trying to say is make ai spawn as much as coastal ai do

[tardy burrow]

I agree

[west token]

Cause nothing goes to the coast. So no ai dies

[light rain]

idk man i see lots of juvies come soo...

but it made me see how much more lively ai makes the game feel

and makes herbi and carni growth more fair...

[olive shadow]

barely anyone kill AI in the coasts.

As said before.

You'll get the occasional Coastal Ptera player thinking it's really viable and the random newbie Juvie

but it's a dead zone due to the lack of any push

[light rain]

what push

[olive shadow]

in-game push to actually go to the coastals

Like.
We might when Nesting comes with Ptera hopefully needing to nest there

[light rain]

there is would be if carnivores could eat any meat like a more proper diet system

[olive shadow]

But.
You'd think Pachys will.

Nope.
Coconuts spawn elsewhere

[olive shadow]

that's not a push.
Because it's not a guarantee to find anyone

that's just player decision

[light rain]

im just saying that i find it to be the perfect juvie place to grow

im not saying its a hotspot

[olive shadow]

it's a lacklustre part of Spiro

due to some more AI

[light rain]

i dunno i like coastal

[olive shadow]

yes, it looks cool

but looking cool doesn't equal viability

[light rain]

i mean more coconuts...

maybe some creatures that live near

[olive shadow]

Proto will be coastal.

[light rain]

yea

[olive shadow]

We might even get a saltwalter Deino perk

[light rain]

fish in water might give deino reason to go

[olive shadow]

but that's a fan idea

[light rain]

i mean

saltwater deino sounds cool

[olive shadow]

it should be a perk

[light rain]

what could carno perk be i wonder

[olive shadow]

removes ability to drink fresh

[olive shadow]

Well, that's harder honestly.

[light rain]

endurance hunter?

i dunno

[olive shadow]

Maybe

[light rain]

jaguar utah perk?

[olive shadow]

all perks should come with pros and cons

[olive shadow]

we know utah will be able to escape up to trees in it's concept

[light rain]

reduces bleed but more dmg

i think jaguar utah should make utah slower when running but climbs better than a average utah

and swim faster maybe

[rapid briar]

it would be nice if coastal waters was viable for deino's also, and then they can put more fish AI there to. It would increase not only the size of fish they can have in the waters but range they can go.

[light rain]

what if we made it a perk for deino

it can only replenish on salt water and not fresh water as a con

[rapid briar]

@light rainthat would be awesome

[light rain]

but gets rewarded with lots of more foods and cool looking area

like deino gets to fight sharks and stuff

plus with upwards lunge it might make pteras be wary of ocean water too

[rapid briar]

@light rainand maybe where they can do both but they dont replenish water as fast when drinking or when on land they loose it quicker.

[light rain]

I like that one better

so we can get salt water deino

:>

i already have some perk ideas for the roster ngl

[rapid briar]

carnos are suppose to be ambushers right

[light rain]

yea

in a open field

XD

[rapid briar]

ya, and utahs are more for forest right. because they are agile but not as quick as a carno right

[light rain]

yea

well utah adapts anywhere

they are second fastest land swimmer too rn

below teno pretty sure

[light rain]

what if utah had a jaguar or leopard perk

even cheetah option for more diversity

[rapid briar]

ya that would be cool, would give the right click that makes you go fast in water as a deino an actual use besides to just travel fast. It can be a dodge mechanic if you see the utah

now as you can probably guess i dont play other carni's but ideas for deino, i think one could be where they can hold there breath for longer, dont know what would be an appropriate down side that would be. What do you think

[light rain]

ooo i didnt think of that but that would be cool

[light rain]

bruh i only play utah ever since update 4 drop XD

but yea deino being able to hold breath longer would be nice

it goes down so fast that it doesnt really help its whole wait for the best moment to lunge thing

[rapid briar]

if you dont mind we should probably take this to either balance or mechanic

[light rain]

yea

[keen totem]

@keen grove that must be a bug, that you are unlucky or you are not searching well, at 3 am there should be plenty of ai cause it just respawned after 0:30 am server reset, and there's not enough people to hunt most of the ai

[keen grove]

then it's a server issue, I swear I got around the map thousand times and didn't found a single goat or deer.

[keen totem]

Last time i played was weekend that ia exactly 1 day before you experienced it so I cant really tell

[tardy burrow]

Me I have seen ai probally once or twice as a carno/ Utah

[keen totem]

Idk, i will have to play to see, cause on Sunday i found plenty of ai

[chrome sable]

That’s cool and all but what does rework pigs mean

[west token]

Rework the pigs obviously!

[untold umbra]

People are angry because juvi animals are pig food.
They want pigs to be cheese-able at all stages of life, not just 30% and larger.

[keen totem]

The only fix devs have to do to boar is the chasing, people asking to make it weaker are stupid if they don't realize they can't take something bigger than them

[pine gale]

What if the pigs just came in variable sizes? Like if there was also juvie pigs

[light rain]

what if there were boar and normal pigs

normal ones dont really attack

but juvie boars would be funny ngl

[wild walrus]

when normal pigs get in the wild they revert back to boars i believe

[light rain]

who says we cant find that happening then?

there would still be pigs and boar but eventually it will be pure boars

[wild walrus]

that would be interesting

[tardy burrow]

#ai-feedback message I agree with this I notice the collison is wonky it only works 50 percent of the time. The fish tends to hang lower on the jaw of the dieno, if not inside the ground.

[chrome sable]

Lost to a boar

all i ask is how

[light rain]

Too cocky ig

Should of ram spammed it smh

[sleek bone]

Remember the last guy who grew carno for 2hr and died to a boar

I love seeing that feedback, i hope the boar never change

[light rain]

Me with my 50 kg utah who killed a boar

Lmao how are yall dying tho...

Just run away if weak

[sleek bone]

They think theyre still playing rex

[light rain]

Lmao

Maybe they see boar as ava

And carno as your juvie giga

[sleek bone]

The legacy ai has pampered them too long

[light rain]

Indeed

[olive shadow]

@wraith pewter Something I never thought about but would be pretty sick

[normal narwhal]

I think Ava's should take the place of boar and other ai taking up the nieches of the current ai or make Dino ai work the same and have them both

[glad tangle]

ai

[silver raven]

Legacy ai*

[sleek bone]

our new ai is at least better than legacy's afkpex taco truck delivery

[quartz axle]

hey do the ai still spawn only once every server reset or do they actually respawn now

last time i played a carno i just kept starving to death because the ai would spawn all at once during a server reset and then not respawn after that

[sleek bone]

ive been running in to a ton of boars as utah any time i am on so it feels like they are respawning now

[quartz axle]

oh thank god, i would rather be ganked by a group of stegos than starve to death

[sleek bone]

i usually find them south of center if you havent searched around there yet

south and southwest

[main ingot]

@sharp summit I know what you are saying for balance purposes… but boar in real life will eat you because it saw you minding your business from 70 metres away

[sleek bone]

A lot of people seem to forget that swine are opportunistic omnivores

[mental adder]

they replaced rex ai with boar because the rex wasn't dangerous enough

[mental adder]

[verbal bloom]

[sharp summit]

k

[verbal bloom]

Lol

[sharp summit]

I googled it in the paleo chat

[verbal bloom]

Talk like that will summon Jack Horner

[verbal bloom]

Based

[normal narwhal]

Boars are bad enough man a fricking jaguar would slaughter you

Are they hard to find?

Like is that your plan, because if they're as common as boars then the Dino days are over

But it could be really cool to fight one as adult utah

[silver raven]

I don't think a jaguar would pose any threat to a 500 kg animal...

[mental adder]

maybe to young deinos or herras

[zealous wraith]

I don't know they kill alligators pretty damn easily

Ones that are larger than they are

[normal narwhal]

Have you seen boars attacking adult Utah's?

[sleek bone]

boars are not a threat to adult utahs unless the utah is afk

[silver raven]

And TI's boars are much bigger than any jaguar you'll ever see

[normal narwhal]

yeah the mates are friggin massive

[light rain]

Adult utah would fold jaguar doe

[normal narwhal]

Yeah irl but if we're Goin with TI size, and a boar can actually hurt you so a jaguar in TI size is probably teno size which is annoying

[light rain]

yea... no

[sleek bone]

The largest wild hog species is twice the weight of a large jaguar

[mental adder]

haast

[mental adder]

HAAST!

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-isle-eagle-kaperoo-brax-gif-20307267

[silver raven]

1.3 ton jaguar ?

[normal narwhal]

Carno ai?

[silver raven]

You mentioned jaguar in TI being potentially teno-sized, but I think that's... a little too much

Even for heavy speculation

[normal narwhal]

Why don't they replace the animal ai with the Dino models like an Ava being a boar or smth, that would look cool and build to the immersion however I don't have anything against the animals

[silver raven]

How would removing modern animals add to the immersion in any way ?

[normal narwhal]

No I'm just saying if you had the option for it to look good would you replace current ai with Dino models or not?

[silver raven]

Nah

[normal narwhal]

Really?

[silver raven]

I would replace the current AI models with ones that look good for sure, but I would prefer boars to stay boars, goats to stay goats and deer to stay deer

[normal narwhal]

Very well, you do you I guess

[silver raven]

What's the problem with animal AI anyway ?

[normal narwhal]

Like I said, I don't have one, I really like it, but Dino ai as well could be cool right?

[silver raven]

No one said we couldn't have both

Dino AI, at least with how the devs want it to behave, is too complex for now, but it's not out of the window either

[normal narwhal]

Fair enough

[sleek bone]

Murder pigs take another victim. alhamdulillah

[vapid vault]

Humans team up with AI boars

[solid pawn]

correctly 👏

The giant forest hog is the largest representative of the real pigs. They reach body lengths of 130 to 210 centimeters, a shoulder height of 76 to 110 centimeters and a weight of 130 to 275 kilograms

[normal narwhal]

Thaaat's a bigun

[sleek bone]

I know thats what i said, largest wild hog is twice the size of a large jag

[solid pawn]

@sleek bone I know, please excuse me, I just wanted to confirm your statement and back it up with clearer numbers, because not everyone can imagine something double. as if he has direct values ​​as a comparison ^.-

[pastel hare]

what are these measurements, I only understand freedom measurements

[light rain]

guys

so what if

elephant ai

african elephant to be exact

then hippo ai

[prisma viper]

where can we find bullfrogs? it says water areas but i've been up and down rivers and not seen any hoppers lol

[sleek bone]

A lot spawn at the swamp (southeast) but they also jump like 500 feet in 3 seconds so its easy to miss them

[prisma viper]

lol that's scary sounding XD

[light rain]

i found them actually at oasis lmao

so ig near mud

[prisma viper]

didn't they dry up oasis when they remade the rivers etc?

[fleet steppe]

ye oasis is gone, same goes for shallows also gone just a ugly dirt path left

[prisma viper]

there's barely any ripples in SE swamp...found One frog...very little food there lol

some areas feel like they're a huge cluster of AI, others are deadlands if you go to them..wish it was a little better spread out

[light rain]

its mud only

[sleek bone]

God. Imagine AI rex with the current AI programming

[light rain]

imagine rex ai but with carno ai programming

[sleek bone]

AI rex but it behaves like the boar and skims across the water at 10x speed like the old dino ai

[light rain]

boar still do that

lmao

[sleek bone]

Damn that’s nightmare fuel

[light rain]

boar legit faster than deino in water

so...

even compy

chicken

anything

except sea turtles

which doesnt make sense but alr

[sleek bone]

I remember a teno ai aggroed on my pt while i was fishing and swam as fast as i flew trying to kill me

Im lucky enough to have never seen the boar do it yet

[light rain]

remember in qa test when dryo was the only playable and utah ai were there

dryo just died bruv

[sleek bone]

Utahs were heat seeking missiles

Also after other playables got in the qa. Any kill i made as a utah, the utah ai would come crawling out of the crevices to start eating the body

[light rain]

lmao

tho that is how real utah ppl act

[sleek bone]

I accidentally killed another player who came over for food because i thought they were another utah panhandler ai

[light rain]

gj devs on making some ai act like the real deal

[sleek bone]

Yeah they def act like those stupid juvis that feel entitled to the kills of any adults in the area

[light rain]

lol

[wraith pewter]

Boar needs a SERIOUS rework

[sleek bone]

Ok

[light rain]

irl boars like ramming shit over and over until they die...

meaning ingame boar would basically have a more spammable ram

[light rain]

make them follow ptera 1 calls

so ptera doesnt spam 1 call

[sleek bone]

Excellent

Add haast ai that spawns each time a pt 1 calls

It's like gigashark but for ptera

[light rain]

not the right channel

[quartz axle]

I just got chased down by a rapid boar, this thing actually made me run out of stamina, I was running for so long, finally decided to just jump in a river and hope for the best and a deino got me. But the Boar aggro distance and time is ridiculous. I have an easier time fighting stegos than escaping boars lol

[prisma viper]

Hmm. Not sure boars are meant to walk on water like Jesus lol

[patent dune]

yes.

[sleek bone]

albino ai would just make it easy as fuck to see, and either albino or melanistic would be annoying and stupid to see so often

those mutations arent common in most animals

[safe jungle]

Make it where it is a 1 in 500 chance to see a albino or melanistic Ai like a shiny pokemon

[sleek bone]

yeah rarespawn variants would be cool

kinda like RDR2 legendary animals lol

a very rare oversized albino rex bull ai lol

or maybe some documentary references like a very rare allo ai with a permanent jaw fracture

i mean its an ai it snot like a player is spawning with perma jaw fracture aye

like the dryo ai used to teabag herbis

it would actually chase herbis and teabag on them

i miss that

i accumulated 3 of them while growing pachy once

i was collecting them like pokemon getting them to follow me

lowkey wish compies in isle acted like ark compies on animals up to dryo size

minus the obnoxious noises the ark compies make

they could just hop around at a bit further distance from you of course rather than standing half a foot away and staring up at you like a dog

and if you chased them off enough times before a lot showed up theyd just leave eventually

[light rain]

bruh if compy becomes playable all the rex mains will lose complete ambush advantage lmao

and i love it...

[quartz axle]

@sweet crow i use vulnona to try to give myself some direction when i play, but even the spawn zones for chickens rarely have them. I think they are just rare, ive only seen 1 before

[sleek bone]

Ive found 3 chickens on the north beach for some reason

[quartz axle]

On beach vacation with the chicks

[sweet crow]

They're hard to see from the air too. I just got lucky spotting them a couple of times.

[sleek bone]

this guy is having trouble with carno? it can traverse rough areas almost as well as utah now lmao

[west token]

Imagine having some slight difficulty killing a single animal.
Goats are supposed to be on hills, not everything is supposed to be an effortless kill for carno

[stoic bison]

Imagine understanding basic principles of game design and that once you've established where a niche should be that you don't contradict that standard. Read my post again and tell me where I said "goats shouldn't be in the forest or on hills ."

I understand you've been killed a million times by Carno since their optimization of sorts but I killed one and about took down his buddy with him before I died as a Teno. It's possible to do just fine as a herb. Right now it's just diets and AI placement that need refinement. The additional dinos coming down the line will help as well. The game is finally going in the right direction and I have faith that the devs will fix things in time.

[spiral trench]

@radiant violet They're evolving

[quartz axle]

Im just goin here since i dont know hiw to do screenshots or videos. Im playin a tiny croc and the fish ragdolls are glitchin out on the surface of the water. Its funny but i cant eat them and im starvin to death. So you know what, still funny but im hungry

[unkempt lotus]

Assuming that it’s a natural island, how would tapirs and cassowaries even get there?

[light rain]

hoomans

prob just shipped them

[unkempt lotus]

why?

literally no reason to ship over exotic animals

[light rain]

no reason to put dinosaurs on a remote island

or make magmas

or type n...

plus its a funny dinosaur game

nothing is really stopping more ai

[unkempt lotus]

how is that comparable

the dinosaurs are on a remote island because Jurassic park had their dinosaurs on a remote island btw

[glad tangle]

A lot of things dont make sense with ai, why there are boars goats and all if the island is inhabited by the best predators that ever existed? A bunny would get extinct in an island with utahs

[silver raven]

Actually not
A utah wouldn't be that efficient in hunting a rabbit
Most modern mammals are way too fast for dinosaurs to catch, in-game they are slowed down so it's possible to eat them

It's the big things that would go extinct, anything up to the size of a boar or deer would be fine

[glad tangle]

Boar living with carnos? I dont think so, they wouldnt survive

[glad tangle]

And only being faster is not enough

Mammals evolved to what they are today because dinosaurs dissapeared, so I dont know what makes you think they would survive in a world with dinosaurs, or worse, an isle, that has limited terrain

[silver raven]

Some of them would definitely survive

Also, with boars and carnos, we have a direct comparison. A charging carno is about 2 tons going roughly 60 km/h. What in our world weighs about 2 tons and can go 60 km/h ? Cars. What happens when you bump into a boar with your car ? It falls down, then gets up and runs away.
Don't underestimate boars.

Not even counting the fact Isle boars are about twice the size of a regular european boar

[silver raven]

Mammals didn't elvolve at the time because every niche was already occupied. And the rodents were the most viable thing at the time. That doesn't mean everything else would be unviable, especially considering that there is much less dino variety in The Isle than there was at that time.

[tiny mural]

yeah idk i don't think people realize dinosaurs top speeds with like. 30-35mph. for the fastest members of the family.

deer can run 40.
hares can also run 40, some reach 45.

they literally HAVE to use domestic animals as ai. otherwise our dinosaurs could never catch them.

as chickens are not fast, pigs are not fast, domesticated rabbits usually only run 25-30 mph in comparison to jackrabbits, etc.

the island has no native wildlife. which, I do think should change as many islands go have interesting and odd natural wildlife.
but these creatures would likely not be your source of prey, wild mammals are pretty much all faster than dinosaurs were.

the domesticated animals are obviously introduced by corporate to feed dinosaurs on the island, or/and were brought by mercs and escaped (as many islands face irl with human encroachment).

because why else would these creatures be in your diet? your dinosaur is the product of genetic engineering. you can't tell me ptero found and ate chickens back in the day 😂
it's because they were genetically created to be able to process some of these modern foods and require them. i doubt scientific staff would go 'mmm.. let's require jaguar meat'
that isn't a domestic animal they have on hand to integrate into a created specimen's diet. much less deploy into the ecosystem like the domestic species they have introduced as prey

[silver raven]

I hope AI will be remade into actual wild animals (most of them at least) so they are not free food

Having some domesticated animals makes sense since as you said, they ere probably put here to feed dinos, but deers and boars are obviously wild native species
I wish we had some more
Maybe not tapirs and cassowaries since they are very endemic species, but some more wildlife would be nice to see

[tardy burrow]

I mean then again this game is not a realistic Dino game as it also incorporates everyday items and stuff almost essentially like Jurassic park. Gone extremely wrong. I agree I wish we had more ai and ones that actually spawn quite frequently on land. That’s why I find it’s easy to play dieno and Petra

You just munch on the endless supply of fish

[unkempt lotus]

not how it works

[unkempt lotus]

the deer and boar would be feral species, not wild

but the setting of an island is basically free reign to make up literally any weird and unique island fauna. Weird that everyone is suggesting existing animals

[silver raven]

I'm pretty sure there are wild boars living in tropical environments
Not sure about deer
Tho idk what you mean about "existing animals", The Isle is a game about dinosaurs living on a remote island in modern times. So ofc people are gonna suggest either dinos or modern times animals.

[unkempt lotus]

no, both pigs and deer were brought by people

existing animals like tapirs and cassowaries just don’t really fit

[proven moth]

I think he meant “living animals”. Most people don’t suggest Dinos as ai because they want to play as them. However there are still people who suggest dinos.

[unkempt lotus]

I would like dinosaur ai if they were ai exclusives, not everything needs to be playable

especially super small animals like compy

[proven moth]

Plus, Dino ai was intended, but would take too long to get right, so they delayed it and released the mammals instead

They are still planned tho

[unkempt lotus]

yeah if they add ai versions of playable dinosaurs they would have to be really convincing

[proven moth]

Like, I think they are toying with the idea of ai sauropods and Rex being ai at first

[unkempt lotus]

I’m not sure if I’m a fan of rex ai in particular

[silver raven]

Honestly, I think some species should be player-only and other ai-only
No dino should be both playable and ai, at least on officials

[unkempt lotus]

yep

maybe just implement rex ai until they get added as playables

[proven moth]

What about the dinos like dryo, no one plays them but they would help a lot as ai

[silver raven]

They could be separated among several gamemodes
Like for example in evrima, you get most smalls playables, but apexes and most pseudo-apexes are AI
There could be other gamemodes, like Hunt, where every carnivore is playable but every AI is only, Classic, where only Legacy survival dinos are playable and the rest is AI, etc...

[proven moth]

There should be some overlap with playable and ai, but not too much

[silver raven]

If devs can't get people to play dryo, then it could be an AI

[unkempt lotus]

like encountering a rex in game should be pretty fucking intimidating, it won’t be that scary if I know it’s just a robot

[silver raven]

In most horror games AIs are pretty scary

[unkempt lotus]

eh

[proven moth]

That just means it can track you more efficiently, which is just as scary

[unkempt lotus]

the scariest ai in horror games aren’t set in a huge open world

[silver raven]

Actually I think players are less scary because they are stupid

If an AI that is supposed to kill you sees you, it's gonna attack you and kill you
A player might just not notice you although you're in front of him, or just follow you while spam-2-calling trying to carebear you

[proven moth]

Well, you say that. Then you walk past a bush and see a Rex sniffing for you. And you just have to run

[silver raven]

There are no horror open world games

[unkempt lotus]

that’s my point

[silver raven]

That doesn't mean it can't happen. Just look at trolls in Valheim, to take the most recent example in my head. They ARE pretty scary. Just because they are big, they want to kill you and come out of the shadows or fog to do so
And they see you from super far away

[proven moth]

This game is already innovating the survival genre, why not innovate the horror too?

[sleek bone]

The carno players are so bad that this guy thinks theyre AI

[light rain]

I made a carno fall to its death as utah due it trying to get on a structure i was on. It died trying to get down lmao

i legit didnt even have to touch my keyboard

[sleek bone]

Natural selection

Its just a shame that they can regrow so easy with such low iq

[light rain]

ayo make juvie carno bite weaker ggez

try to see them survive as easy then

[sleek bone]

Increase boar damage and give them an enrage speed boost around juvi carnos

[light rain]

but you then you turn juvie utah aka rat aka bug into fodder

[sleek bone]

Hmm maybe they only have higher damage around carno juvis too

[light rain]

make them go rage only around carnos

profit

[mental adder]

@elfin flame there isn't any dino ai anymore, just modern animals as ai now

[opal vigil]

Yes to bad, ai carnos and utah were regulating the server from carni overpopulation XD

[sleek bone]

The only thing the utah ai ever did for me was come crawling out of the corners when ever i killed something on my utah to eat the body

[mental adder]

most interaction I got from them was they spam pounced at me then forgot I existed

[sleek bone]

i remember i killed one or two actual utah players who tried to eat my food because i mistook them for ai and they spoke in chat too late

i woulda told them to screw off anyway but i felt a little bad lol

[normal narwhal]

really dude? haven't seen a single dryo since U4

and i explore a lot

[true hawk]

True there are very few non brain dead carnos I’ve come across during my time on isle

[sleek bone]

How do you die to a boar as 25% carno i guess natural selection still happens to carnos occasionally

[light rain]

I remember saying survival of the fittest back in evrima global after killing a carno as a utah and their whole gang got so pissed lmao

[vapid vault]

Facetank it

[sleek bone]

Typical carno main

[placid scaffold]

you say should be able to hide but I dunno if you know, but boars can see through bushes so unless youre leaving render or are flying, they gon find you fam

and thats for herbs too, i had one chase my stego juvi

[quartz axle]

Thats the thing, you cant run from the inevitable. Boars in this game have the infinity gauntlet man. I ran out of render distance, waited 2 min and see a tiny spec in the distance still following me like a blood hound. Finally had to cross a river and ended up getting eatin by a croc.

[desert iron]

@quartz axle lmao what a ride.

[quartz axle]

Lol

[strong trench]

I've been away from this game for a while, could someone tell me what ai are currently in the game?

[west token]

Heat seaking boar, and free food bunnies, goat, deer, frogs, crabs, and turtles. Probably more but they are pretty much free food

[strong trench]

Wow thanks

[light rain]

Chicken momento

[west token]

Yeet chickens. Replace them with a secretary bird. Has to spend a lil getting in the air so it can be vulnerable and can eat smols

[light rain]

Add funni cassowary...

[west token]

Unviable. Just utah/carno fodder

[light rain]

Ok... add funni leopard or jaguar

Also arent all ai unviable lol

[west token]

They can be unviable they just need the ability to force an animal to use their brain

Secretary bird would force dinos to ambush it. And could fight against baby utahs

[light rain]

lets be real baby utah already has to fight other juvies

so what you really are doing is adding another heat tracking missile

*Ahem boar

[sleek bone]

i think a juvi utah would absolutely demolish a secretary bird, they are incredibly light in build so their health pool is basically nonexistent. i cant see a secretary bird putting up any better of a fight than a juvenile galli

some ratite bird would do a better job

[sleek bone]

It could try but a juv utah would like 1-2 shot it after lmao

[wild walrus]

absolutely false, one kick could disembowel a smaller utah as well as being tankier and faster on land than secretary birds

which means they’re more fragile than cassowaries on land
and plus, the cassowarie’s claws are far deadlier

only thing cassowary is worst at is flight, since its unable to do so

[vernal cliff]

evrima has deers boars and rabbitsw??? WHA??

[silver raven]

What's so shocking about it ?

[vernal cliff]

i didnt know that

i also havent played in a year but uh i dont know when they came out

[vernal cliff]

basically, i just never knew they existed (until now)

[silver raven]

They were released with update 3 iirc

[proven moth]

they were released update 4

[silver raven]

Oh yeah update 4
Update 3 was fish only

Or maybe fish were included in update 2 ?

Damn those numbers are confusing

[proven moth]

yeah, they added the ai for diets, fish were for crocs and pts in up3

[vernal cliff]

maybe i didnt notice them

i didnt play evrima that much

[proven moth]

up1=utah and tent, up2=bleed dryo stego carno and hypsi, up3=fish crocs and pts, up4 was bone break diets and pachy

[mental adder]

release had utah and teno, up1 had dryo, I think that AI dryo started showing up in up2? or up1, don't remember

[sleek bone]

Personally i'd pick rhea birds since they are better runners and therefor less easy for predators they cant fight to catch them as well. Almost any ratite wouldn’t be awful to have though compared to the current free food ai

Ratites cooler

Rheas get to like 60lb while harpy eagles get to like 15lb whose small here

Main reasoning though, land animals are just more interactive

Than something thats both very small and its just gonna fly away when it sees you

It would appear almost out of nowhere, kill the smallest tiers, and just fly away if anything approaches. If something actually catches it, its worth virtually no food. Sounds pretty boring

We dont have any ai quite that bad yet

[silver raven]

Boars don't come out of nowhere, are catchable and have food value

[sleek bone]

Too much food value even, for how common they are

[wild walrus]

literally almost every ratite

also ratites dont have the hollow bones most other birds possess iirc

[sleek bone]

basically every ratite has one big gnarly kicking claw, and even the ones who dont have a kicking habit. rheas have a surprisingly nasty bite

theyll basically lockjaw on their bite it's pretty hilarious

[wild walrus]

i didnt know about the bite thing haha
weird thing for a ratite of all things

[sleek bone]

there's a guy on youtube who has a male rhea and he grabs on to his arm and makes him bleed sometimes

[wild walrus]

also here is a cassowary’s claws

i just need to find a reference of a harpy eagle’s

[sleek bone]

oh yeah a casowary will straight up split you like a sausage lmao

[wild walrus]

while a harpy eagle’s claws may be sharper, the brute force from a cassowary kick more than makes up for it

[sleek bone]

plus ratites, being heavier, can tank more hits and have more time to kick your ass

and while theyre fast as hell they are more interactive than a flying animal

https://youtu.be/CNvkOuuUWoc

[wild walrus]

and we need to remember that the ai’s victims/predators are dinosaurs, not the way smaller creatures harpy eagles hunt

[sleek bone]

yeah it would only be a threat to the smallest rung of playables and be useless to everything else

even a hypsi dwarfs it in mass

[wild walrus]

just started watching the video and forgot that most herbivore animals can eat meat

[sleek bone]

technically theyre omnivores but yeah herbis dont care if its an easy bite size meal

[wild walrus]

also yeah i can see a harpy eagle struggle badly against a full grown dryo

specially cows

they will snack on a bone if they can

[sleek bone]

animals that naturally exclusiely eat plant material are extremely rare if they exist at all

even little algae eating animals will scavenge animal material

shant vacuuming up a utah nest

unironically i hope one or two ceratopsians gets scooted over to the omnivore roster

warthog ava supremacy

[west token]

Replace boar ai with super pissed off avas

[light rain]

ava stronger than boar fite meh

[west token]

Well, yea. Those fuckers are big. They can go toe to toe with an adult utah.

[light rain]

you say that but then legacy did em wrong

accurate?

or nah

[west token]

Yes iirc

I think even larger estimates have it bigger than that

[light rain]

you telling me ingame my utah will worry about ava

It already takes a full stam pin to kill boar 💀

[west token]

Y e s

[light rain]

at least its better than ava being the secret juvie killer

[west token]

No more free food

[light rain]

juvie giga still kills ava

fite me

[sleek bone]

Prehistoric wildlife moment

[quartz axle]

@ornate plaza boars chase me all the time too lol

[hot nacelle]

Might've been the same deer or a different one, but my partner and I had no chance at catching one deer as newly spawned Carnos

[tender crow]

@hot nacelle Use the charge to hunt deer. It makes you just fast enough. Or hunt easier prey. No reason to make it even easier to grow Carnos.

[hot nacelle]

Honestly that did come to mind, but after trying twice it made no effect. At least in my last experience, I'll try again

[sleek bone]

How bad does one have to be to pick carno, see ai and then starve to death anyway

[silver raven]

Average carno player ?

I still think Ai in the Isle are unnecessarily nerfed tho

A deer should be able to get away from a charging carno ez
A boar should survive a charge
Turtles shouldn't take damage from hatchlings

Like a flate -20 damage resistance

That too
like kill that juvie utah that has been pestering it for hours

[west token]

We basically have legacy ai with different models.

They have been demoted to free food to support carni players who cant kill anything with the ability to defend itself/get away.

[silver raven]

Well they're not a much free food as legacy AI tho
Which literally ran into your mouth without defending itself

[west token]

Cant wait for utah mains to cry when an ava kicks their ass

[silver raven]

Considering the average player skill, I can imagine Ava kicking a carno's ass

[west token]

How heavy is ava again?

[silver raven]

800 kg iirc

[west token]

If ava isn't the equivalent of playable boar ai I will cry

[silver raven]

I still hope ava will burrow
As stupid as it sounds

[west token]

Eh. That'd just make it a big proto

[silver raven]

Unless proto also climbs

Also every burrow doesn't need to be exactly the same

[west token]

If proto climbs I want whatever drugs the devs were on

[silver raven]

Like anky could burrow (I think it did irl) but just to protect its belly

[silver raven]

If proto climbs that would mean someone in the dev team has a goat

[west token]

I just want asshole omni ava

[silver raven]

I'd like styraco to be omni
It would work well with a longer-legged, faster ceratopsian
More able to hunt than others

But styraco being omni doesn't exclude proto to be too

But if proto is made omni, I'm afraid they would just hunt velos instead of killing them in self-defence

[west token]

I don't think most omnis will be hunting.

I dont want the stupidity of BoB coah.

I thought more of a corpse bully that kicks the shit out of carnivores if it doesn't get its way

[silver raven]

This is the Isle, and we're talking about players controlling the animals
If they can only eat from corpses, they're gonna make their own corpses

[west token]

I ment more dont make them built to hunt

[silver raven]

Having them be unable to hunt would imply make them slow
So unviable against threats they can't fend off

You made me think homalo could be omni too

[west token]

Not at all. Just use the same formula as the rest of the herbivores

Cant run? Can fight.
Cant fight? Can run.

It's just that of it kills the things it cant run from it can make use of the corpse

[silver raven]

I guess you're right

[rigid swift]

Are you forgetting that half the things needed for most nutrients on carni diets aren't even played by people?

Like any nutrient with dryo required you pretty much can't get, literally no one plays Dryo

[light rain]

insert the rock eyebrow raise

[west token]

Ok? That doesn't mean the ai has to be free food

[mental adder]

that's what they said

[quartz axle]

@quartz umbra i think themixpacking part would be an issue because technically herbivores mixpack with other herbivores. If they could specifically target carni/herbi mixpacks then it’d be fine

[quartz umbra]

Yeah that’s what I mean by mixpacks carnis with carnis or carnis with herbis

[balmy vortex]

I think omnivores in the Isle should have the usual herbi diet, and then maybe a species on the same diet tree. So the two line nutrient would be like, agave and hypsi. Whatever the omnivore is should not be able to catch up or hunt it's prey so it's more opportunistic, and if it eats carnivores it should also be in said carnivore's diets. If a carni hunts x omnivore, then that omnivore should be able to eat the hunter if it successfully defends itself.

They could also eat juvies of larger, more dangerous carnivores. So the momma could easily kill them but if she left her babies alone...

[versed orbit]

@glad tangle are you saying they add new AI to legacy? Cuz the game already has fishes and modern animals as AI in evrima, and i don't know if you knew but legacy (the version that has rex, giga, spino, more dinos in general) won't be getting new content, they are focusing on Evrima, not legacy

[thorny dragon]

@glad tangle Legacy won't be updated anymore, and evrima already has ai fish and turtles

[vapid pivot]

Whats proto says the dumbass

I am so confused

[silver raven]

That's quite an old conversation
Protoceratops
One of the smallest known ceratopsians, and famous from a fossil of a protoceratops and a velociraptor, entangled together in a fight.

[vapid pivot]

Oh yeah that guy!

Thanks

[vapid pivot]

idk how i got to it, it just happened to appear when i clicked on it

[tender crow]

@vapid pivot Deer are the second most common land AI. You can basically find them everywhere boar are but only about half as often. Goats on the other side...

And in regards to Dryo not being played much: Carnos need to deal with it. There is nothing wrong with not getting all nutrients as a carnivore when your prey is rare. Especially when part of that is because your species is extremely overpopulated.

[vapid pivot]

No they arnt, I can run around the map and only find a deer AI they are extremely hard to find unless it’s after a restart

[tender crow]

You might want to listen. They are rather loud and often hide in vegetation.

[digital zealot]

I just got chased across oasis and the forest by 2 boars. i left the chase distance by far, they never stopped i logged just now but i think its a bug.

[verbal bloom]

@umbral quail I believe arthro was an herbivore

[umbral quail]

Oh it was, but that doesn't mean herbivore AI can't be aggressive, especially to anything in smaller size than itself. For example, the teno and dryo AI we used to have were plenty deadly.

*deadly to juvs

[verbal bloom]

That’s fair

Giant bugs are a definite yes from me regardless of their diet

[umbral quail]

Same. Honestly even if they aren't aggressive, they'd still add to the atmosphere perfectly.

[verbal bloom]

I just hope they don’t add ARK level giant bugs

I don’t want my Utah getting minced by a carno sized mantis

[umbral quail]

LMAO at that point they may as well make them playable, but I doubt they'd add anything like that to begin with tbh. I don't see the devs doing more than small/medium sized AI with the bugs, given they seem pretty set on not expanding their planned playable roster for a while to come.

[verbal bloom]

🙏

[light rain]

Josephoartigasia monesi for ai?

[umbral quail]

man i'd almost want that to be playable, who wouldn't want a jumbo capybara lmao

it wouldnt be able to defend itself too well though if it were, sadly. i would LOVE to see it become ai for sure

[light rain]

it would kill all juvies though

even juvie stego

[proven moth]

Boar, but bigger

[light rain]

It would be funny to hear people say they lost their dinosaur to a rodent lmao

[north pumice]

@west token Agreed, I think the AI should also have the nerve + brain to turn during chasing to lose a predator, sway or fight back. Other than the boar which already does.

[deft peak]

After the last fixes (updates) I got the impression that there is less AI spawn in the areas further away then centre map. You guys are noticing it to or am I imagining things ? Seems before the last two fixes (especially before the fix of the name tags) they would spawn in more frequently. I could find IAI, but now I walk around all grass fields and no spawn, while those areas did had before...

[cedar merlin]

ai is looking pretty good it is not a barren wasteland void of life. Relatively sustainable as a carni.

[verbal bloom]

eh

too many large ai, not enough small ai

[deep goblet]

I hate this

My suggestion didn’t get as much good attention as it deserved

Now I’m pissed off

[keen beacon]

nobody wants ai you have to work even harder for 😂

[deft peak]

When does AI spawn ? is that when you are in the vicinity or whenever food is low (like <25%) ?

[silver raven]

It just spawns, then you gotta look for it

But AI is dormant when there are no players nearby

[olive shadow]

<@&933486433342222376> in #ai-feedback and #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 as well

👍

[west token]

@raven compass How tf did you manage to starve in this patch? Ai is literally everywhere if you use your eyes for 2 seconds. Why do you think servers are 70% carnivore atm? Because none of the carnivores have to work for their food.

[raven compass]

not just once but twice in a row. Just unlucky or horrible at finding the AI I guess. Like I said I did find 2 goats, a rabbit and a few compy, but only the goat reallly does anything for your food. Everything else was a drop in the bucket and the compys I only found by sound I literally couldnt' see them in the forest just bit down on the grount (might have been bugged) and it let me eat them.

[west token]

Boar are literally just fat food sacks. All you need to do is go into any field and boom, free food

[raven compass]

Could have been just bad luck then there were a lot of adult carnos, they were the only players I came across besides 2 tenos

[west token]

Then that's a side effect of food being so plentiful. So many carnos pop up that they somehow tear through the huge amount of food. As they do that the super sensitive RPers form megapacks and kill any cannibal carnos. Then they keep inhaling food preventing the carnos trying to cull the population from growing. This keeps the carno population so high with nothing to kill them, which all leads back to the absurd amount of food around and how easy it is to kill the ai.

[raven compass]

Sounds about right. But I dont' think discouraging players from playing a particular dino due to overpopulation is good in the long run (i.e. keeping AI food counts so low a good percentage starve). Sure eventually there will be bigger dinos to keep carno pop down but then that apex becomes the new carno. The problem is Apex megapack spam. Limit pack size somehow (debuff when around more than x number maybe? I dunno) but don't kill the individual plyaer experience just to solve a server-wide issue.

In a perfect world every carnivor would have their niche they play within and as long as they stay in that niche they'd have plenty of food to keep them going long enough to hunt players (which is where the fun is I think). Another idea would be to have AI only visible/killable to certain carnivores. For example, Carnos can only kill goats and boars, they can't even see the smaller AI game. That would leave those to smaller niche predators and so on and so forth.

[silver raven]

Having AI be visible only to certain carnivores is extremely stupid, no offense
In a better world AI wouldn't be free food

[west token]

Carnivores should have to work for their food. Not enough food to go around? Obviously way to many carnivores in the server

[silver raven]

imo AI should be plentiful, but hard to catch
This includes being a little smarter than how it currently is, and also physically buffed
So that deer can outrun carno, for example

[raven compass]

you're welcome to your opinion that what I said is stupid but you could at least explain why you think it is. I'll admit there is likely a much better way but this is just a discussion.

[silver raven]

Animals in the game are things that are SUPPOSED to be here. They're not a glorified food replenishment mechanic. They're supposed to make the world feel alive. Also having AI be invisible to certain species means that you could, as a carno, just pass nearby a group of utah who seem to be eating grass, but on their screens, they're actually eating the board they've just killed

And what about AI that can be aggressive ? Boar isn't on ptera's diet either, so are pteras going to die to an invisible threat when they land because they haven't seen the invisible boar ?

[raven compass]

I'm talking about non-aggressive food stock AI. Goats, compy, chicken, rabbit. I'm honestly not sure if boar fight back never had one fight me....but I was thinking once it is killed it becomes visible and other scavengers could come and kill steal but while it's alive only the Utahs can see/track it. It would almost be enough to just have a tracking ability, like water sense for Deino that would key in on particular AI

they wouldn't even really need to be invisible as they're already hard to find.

[silver raven]

So you would stack bandaid solutions instead of simply fixing the problem which is that AI is too easy to kill ?

[raven compass]

I would argue no matter how "hard" you think you can make the AI to kill the players will find it easy to kill. It is pretty well known in videogames that unless you enable ways for it to cheat, Players are always superior to AI.

[silver raven]

Dark Souls would prove otherwise
Even though the player is only fighting AI for the entire game, most of them struggle and have to retry every fight many times
It's not just a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of everything you can give it so that it's less easy to kill.

In the Isle, not only AI is dumb, but on top of that, it's been extremely nerfed even when compared to real life so they're easy to catch

[raven compass]

Dark Souls speed runners would prove otherwise

[silver raven]

Is every dark souls player a speedrunner ?

Ofc whatever you do, whatever you make in your game, people will manage to break it, but this is not an AI problem. Even now in TI, people can play dryo and solo stegos. Does that mean dryo should be nerfed or dryo buffed ? No, because it's an extremely rare case.

AI being abusable in very few select cases is like everything else. In most cases, you can just ignore it, unless there's an obvious and easy fix.

Or when too many people do it

[raven compass]

I think you're missing the point. The AI is not meant to be part of the challenge of the game it's simply filler food to "get you by" between hunting for player prey, at least this is always how I've seen it. When you defeat an AI it's not something you feel particularly proud or accomplished from.

[silver raven]

Now THIS is the wrong mindset. Why would you put free food in a hardcore survival game when everything is supposed to push you to fight for food or for your life ? The fact AI is so easy to catch and so numerous shouldn't be an intended feature. A lot of people suggest making it more scarce, but I would suggest the other way around, because the world without AI just feels empty. They need to be numerous, but hard to catch, so they're not, as you say, "filler food"

Nothing should be free food in a game where managing your hunger is 90% of what you gotta do

[raven compass]

the AI will always be filler food. Even if you make the AI like some dark souls boss (lmao) players would simply learn the pattern, kill it and there's your free food problem again. The fact we have AI is an omission that preying on players alone is just not viable, pretty sure they tried this and it was a horrible experience all around.

*admission

[silver raven]

You're not looking at it the right way
I'm not talking about pattern here, but merely about stats.
Let's say you make deer 70 km/h, like they're supposed to be irl. Then carnos can't just waltz around mindlessly chomping on every deer they see. If they want to eat one, they have to hide, find one that hasn't detected them and ambush them. This turns a living meal on legs into something you actually have to consciously hunt and work for. That also makes it so every carno won't be able to survive solely on deer, since the avergae skill level is very low, and a lot of them would never manage to catch one.

It would make killing something as petty as a deer somewhat rewarding, because they're not handed to you. You would have to use your brain to get them. Just like learning a dark souls boss pattern (which not everyone does btw)
Even better, this could raise the skill floor of players so they actually learn to hunt against something without risking their lives instead of feeding off free food AI until they meet another player and inevitably die because they don't even know how to play the game

[raven compass]

So I'll agree with you that the AI could use a little more brains, for sure you want even the AI hunting experience to take more than just running up on something left clicking.

But to your other point. You expect players with low skill they can't kill AI deer to go out and survive on killing players? Or do you just want them to lie down and die because they're not worthy?

[silver raven]

I expect them to fail and try again until they succeed, like they would do in any other game

[raven compass]

you have a very optimistic view of the player base. And you have to also consider to some of them it simply may not be possible. They're children or just don't have the time, patience or hand/eye coordination to do it. I'm not arguing to lower the common denominator for the lowest IQ, but making the gameplay loop excessively hard to keep apex predator populations down is probably not the answer.

[silver raven]

Making apexes difficult is not the answer to you ? Because it's the answer a lot of people, including some devs, agree on
If you are to play the strongest and biggest thing around, you gotta deserve it. Because players who play apexes have the potential to ruin everyone else's game by killing them, since it's a pvp survival game. You can't make everyone have access to everything in a PvP game. It's either grind-based, money-based, luck-based or, like The Isle, skill-based, which is, imo, the best solution.

I'm not saying AI should be impossibly hard to catch either. Just hard enough so you have to go out of your way and know hunting basics to get them. Which currently isn't the case.

As for the children argument... children aren't supposed to play TI so whatever

[raven compass]

haah ok sure, let's pretend kids don't play this game.

You are forgetting that you cannot simply make the AI difficult for the Apex, you essentially raise the bar for all players in doing so. Because if you just make deer difficult to catch, those with lesser skill will just hunt the next easiest thing and while it'll give them less food they'll just eat more of it, effectively diminishing AI foods for the tier underneath them. Not to mention it would be even more likely, Apex spam is still a thing because they just run around eating the starved corpses from players that can't hunt the AI.

Which is why I said, the ideal is to have ecosystem niche that each dino fits into. This was what they proclaimed to be after with EVRIMA from the get go.

[silver raven]

I don't really know what you mean
My intent is not just to make deer hard to catch, it is to do so for every single AI

[raven compass]

well I mean the game is an inverse challenge curve. It starts out hard, you're small you're weak everything can kill you. And gets easier as you grow, but in order to grow you have to hunt and kill. Thus if you make AI challenging for an adult apex predator and all the way down the line so the apex cannot "cheat" and eat lesser AI prey, then you effectively push the difficulty for everything under that apex through the roof.

[silver raven]

Every AI doesn't have to be challenging in the same way
Something that is easy food for an Apex can be impossible to get for a smaller species, like it can be the other way around
Every AI could be made so some predators can get it, while for others it'd be much harder to do so
At every stage of life

[raven compass]

Right which is sort of what I was trying to do with my niche idea...invisibility probably not the best way to handle it. Perhaps just having each tier of dino able to track particular AI prey would be the way to do it. Like the Deino water sense, you get color splashes on screen when you're close to your preferred AI prey and can better track them but does not stop you from finding and killing things bigger or smaller.

[silver raven]

Restricting select species to be able to track only their preferred AI diet is not the right way to go either imo
First, that's way too gamey and has no justification other than "balance" which is'nt even really balance since as you just said, you can still kill things even if you can't track them down
Second, that's restricting something's playstyle arbitrarily, and wouldn't solve the aformentioned problem, which is that there is too much free food going around.

[raven compass]

well it's not restricting at all, it just helps you find the AI. It doesn't catch it for you. You can still have all your challenges applied to the AI, I do think that is a good idea.

For example, a Utah can track the chickens so they are easier to find for Utah only but this doesn't mean the Utah can't see a goat walking by and kill it nor that a Carno can't see a chicken and eat it. It just won't be highlighted for them.

Sounds arbitrary but I think it could be one tool in helping each tier finding AI food without it being over abundant to where we get the apex spam

You may not agree but the problem with AI abundance is not the ease of killing it but the ease of finding it. I'm fine with making it harder to kill but if the argument is to solve apex overpopulation by reducing AI count then you gotta give us better ways to find what little food is there.

[silver raven]

But why can Utah only track chickens ? What's so peculiar about their smell that makes this a thing ? Why are chicken impossible to scent to everything else ?

[raven compass]

Are you looking for real world examples or technical reasons?

[raven compass]

I mean if you need to have it be real world realistic to balance an artificial ecosystem in a videogame I think you're going to find a lot of rules are bent in the name of gameplay. For me I'd be a welcomed trade off to having a server populated with nothing but Carnos, Deinos and Stegos and not being able to find enough food to survive to adulthood.

[silver raven]

At this point it's not bending the rules
It's completely ignoring them and adding new ones for what I'd call a "bandaid fix" that hides an issue instead of fixing it

Videogames don't have to be fully realistic. But they have to make sense, be coherent, and, in the case of survival games, immersive. The solutions you proposed are none of that.

[raven compass]

again, you rudely call what I say incoherent and a bad idea but I'm not seeing any constructive points from you nor your way of dealing with it other than increasing AI difficulty in various ways (which I actually agree with) but this alone, again will not solve apex overpopulation.

[gritty crown]

@raven compass go to the south beach and find turtles. After hours of starving to death it’s the only consistent food source you can catch as a juvenile

Land AI is much easier to find and catch when you’re bigger

[raven compass]

Thanks! Yes I finally made it to adult the ai food is very locational I think before I was spawning in the wrong area

[hot nacelle]

We need big hunky boy Arapaima as a rare elite fish for Deino and Spino to feast on as a sub-adult snack!

[proven moth]

maybe make it like the boar of the water and kill baby deinos lol

[rough pike]

*Altercard: a possible balancing feature a friend spoke to me in-depth about is to encourage population control as well as discouraging mega packs would to implement a debuff system based on population of that same creature around an individual or pack. the premise of the idea is, an unpacked individual or already established pack would become unsettled by large gatherings of the same species in its vicinity. this would mean competition for resources, hostility's, or space control.

this debuff of course should only be applied when there are large gatherings of the same species (depending on the species itself)

as well as maybe apply a buff to those who successfully deal with a rival?

these would IMO encourage in fighting amounts creatures to control areas. as well as force a sort of population control and balancing of the creatures on the island. so instead of seeing 40 carnos on a 60 creature server. numbers would spread out to encompass a variety, and those simply wanting to play a certain creature gain an opportunity to try and build a pack to fight off rivals in order to gain some footing to control the space around them.

each individual species would gain a different debuff based on what it is.*

in response to this it would be hard to implement due to the proximity near water ways and the fact some dinos like stego only have 3 prefered food spots

[silver raven]

@lunar tiger I don't think you would be able to hatch AIs at all. The point of nesting is to bring other players to play with you, not AI. Besides, it would require a lot of additionnal programming whereas dino AI isn't even ready to be a roaming NPC yet.

[olive shadow]

^

[pallid bridge]

A lot of people here complain about there being no AI around the map. I legit spot AI all over the map. Sure there is less AI in the center of the map but that is because of a high concentration of carnivores in that area. You have to spawn literally anywhere but center as a juvi to reach adult stage easy.

On top of that. After every restart the game gets loaded with AI even at center.

[raven nymph]

@north pumice there is deer but it only spawns in certain places. Try the plains in the center. They are everywhere there.

[north pumice]

gotcha, ive definitely encountered them before, i think goat isnt as present as deer can be. i know deer (and goat) spawn in field biomes and specific terrain if you run far enough, but there will be times when you only get one, if not a few or none at all. theyre just very uncommon. or the spawns differ. it goes for every AI honestly except for boar

[proven moth]

I think the issue is that ai spawn in specific areas, so if you don’t know where to look, you find none. But if you know where to look, you can just farm them. Same thing with herbie diets. Pachy has cocos on “beaches” but they actually spawn in the clearing in the middle of jungles at NE and SW

[sweet crow]

There are often deer in the northwest too. Also lots of boars there as well.

[silver raven]

Trolling is not allowed in the feedback channels

[formal vine]

Why would you add cassowaries when we have galli

[west token]

Mid tiers and apexes should absolutely not have AI that can reliably sustain them

The biggest animal that should be able to be sustained by AI should be cera

And even that is a stretch

[wild walrus]

i dont think any of those can catch up to a cassowary or a moose

except for carno but they wouldnt flee from one

[silver raven]

Assuming there was a reason for moose to be in The Isle, they should absolutely run away from a carno
They're around 700 kg, against carno's 1.8 tons
But they could run away tho, they can run at 60 km/h irl

[west token]

Wait wtf they are that fast!?

[glacial hearth]

You do realise that a boar realistically would be the size of a t rexes stomach probably much bigger than it actually, why would they not be sustained, I get it from a balance perspective but even then apexes and mid-tiers should have ai as a working food source, if you think it would be best than at least partially reliable, because otherwise what the heck is the point of them?

[west token]

AI should exist for juvies to have something to hunt. And even then it shouldn't be free food. Look at what we have right now. We have little meat bags that exist solely to be eaten without a struggle and now carnivores can grow with little to no effort

[glacial hearth]

ok then, make it have more effort but Ai should be an at least viable option for apexes even if it's hard for them to catch. make it mandatory to hunt players for diet and for food but ai shouldn't be useless for cerato sized and above creatures

[west token]

Allowing larger animals to get good food out of ai will never work. Especially considering the less than promising work the devs have done with ai so far

AI will likely never be advanced enough to allow for larger animals to have the same challenges hunting players presents

[glacial hearth]

never is a strong word. it might take a while but it will advance eventually and don't take eventually as in 10 years, Ai is part of the ongoing developement, meaning whenever the devs deem it necessary or want to start making more advance ai they will, have you even seen the dino ai test streams they were doing? be patient is all I'm saying.

[west token]

1. Remember when dino ai was a thing? Literally didn't function and was so far from being acceptable that its likely that they've just barely started to get ai that can react to shit

2. **Its 3 in the god damn morning ** so I dont wanna keep arguing

[glacial hearth]

also the current ai is literally only the second iteration of ai, the first being the dumb dryo ai.

[silver raven]

Uh actually no
Boars are huge in the Isle (300 kg I think) while the average is 80 kg, often less
Of course there can be massive size differences in pigs sizes, with the largest ones exceeding 1 ton, but they're far from common

[glacial hearth]

1. fair enough.
2. fair enough.

[glacial hearth]

ik, I'm talking about in game boars and rex stomach size

not irl boars

it might've been lost in translation when I said "realistically" though

[silver raven]

Oh yeah
One in-game boar should normally easily feed a rex

[glacial hearth]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[silver raven]

But carnivores in the game eat a weirdly large amount of food
They're black holes

[wild walrus]

i think the largest boar on record weighed like 450 kg

aka 1000 lbs, hence the confusion

[wild walrus]

that's not a wild boar

[silver raven]

Boars yeah, cuz they live in nature, I was talking about domestic pigs

[glacial hearth]

1 thousand kilograms = 1 ton

[glacial hearth]

oh... right, my bad 😅

[wild walrus]

wait we're talking domestic pigs? mb then haha

[silver raven]

We're talking about boars, but when I mentioned 1 ton, I was talking about domestic pigs

I'm pretty sure if someone tamed a boar and fed it like we feed pigs, it could reach 1 ton

[wild walrus]

yeah for sure

i'm sure it has happened atleast once in the wild, it just got hunted or died before we found out

[silver raven]

Probably

[worn relic]

how do you guys feel about piranha or some sort of carnivorous water ai to help mitigate how many people just sit as a gator for a week playing the game on easy mode

[silver raven]

I don't think piranhas would do much against a deino, bar a juvie one, but these already have it hard enough as soon as they enter an area where there's another deino
As for carnivorous aquatic AI in general, I don't really know since I don't play deino, but it would have to be programmed really well to not ruin the experience since in water you can't really hide or run away as well as you would on land

[worn relic]

yeah idk its just very frustrating to see at least 80% of server pop just guarding water sources from the few land dinos who do need to drink water

[thorny dragon]

Juvie deinos are over 100kg at spawn if I'm remembering right

[worn relic]

and the gators dont even need to fight for food because fish

[thorny dragon]

It'd be more effective on the smaller semiaquatics, and I don't think we want anything dissuading their existence

But it could be a neat idea as a corpse cleanup a la compy and ptero

[worn relic]

yeah

[thorny dragon]

Kill something in the water and just leave it there -> corpse gets eaten by piranhas

[worn relic]

maybe leaves bite sized scraps that can float down stream

[light rain]

Dont think a chicken or deer is gonna fight back reliably to anything

[light rain]

I had a boar kill my juvie deino once in water...

it sped at me at like lightning speed and boom

[brittle lion]

A) Fish spawn is kinda one in a million, and the ai is just something else. There have been massive glitches where deinos cant even eat the stupid things, or it completely breaks the rest of your keybinds.
B) Deinos migrate due to a lack of food (aka fish spawns) in the danker swamp places to the feilds/waterfalls because we know packs/megapacks tend to gather there and it makes it easier for deino packs to form to take down food.
That food being Carnos packing with op Stegos who tail spam the water every two seconds. takes about 2-3 hits for a deino to get clapped by a stupid stego; but i digress, deinos migrate towards where the food is because we cannot reliably sustain ourselves on fish ai that glitch our systems and barely fill our hunger bars.

[worn relic]

nobody is supposed to be able to reliably sustain off of ai though... ai is supposed to be supplemental and world filling. if you want ai to sustain you go to high ai server. high ai= low hunger= low need to hunt which is not devs intent

[deep goblet]

Was that for me?

[plucky surge]

its from 2 days ago, doubt

[deep goblet]

Oh… lol

[worn relic]

Lmao

[brittle lion]

that is my point; im explaining why crocs migrate towards high player counted areas, seemingly playing on "Easy mode" as you stated, crocs hunger go down relatively quickly meaning we need a high food count and waterfalls is where mega packs and cross packers form, hence the "camping" you get

problem is lack of balance between ai's and player challenge, certain groups have less survival challenge and others have a higher survival challenge just for food alone

[abstract junco]

@deep goblet the thing you said about the ai recently i completely agree yesterday i deer sprinted into a wall and just now a deer sprinted across the ocean its enough of a struggle already to get food solo as a juvie

[deep goblet]

Okay but… what are you trying to say?

[abstract junco]

about the ai being really buggy with terrain

[rustic totem]

This is a minecraft server, you idiot

[hot nacelle]

DEVIL TOAD

We need the Devil Toad

[toxic sundial]

Please, slow down the velocity of turtles can swinning. Is impossible to catch then on ocean with deino.

[silver raven]

That's probably intended

[little swan]

I agree, since currently anyone can have their dino drown to a dieno except for adult stegos.
Here is the problem, however-
If you have an ai that can kill the dienos in the water...what stops these ais from attacking drinking/crossing land animals?

The ai would cause a greater problem than the dienos do, because dienos have a player behind them that can choose if they are full or have mercy- Ais dont.

[wild walrus]

alligator gar and arapaima ai would be great, unlike piranhas

[glacial hearth]

What makes them different?

[wild walrus]

more dangerous than piranhas

and more hp

and would count as elite fish

piranhas can’t do shit to even the smallest of deinos

deinos weigh over 100 kg at spawn

thats already far larger than any piranha

[glacial hearth]

^

[wild walrus]

can’t you program them to just sense semiaquatics/dinos that are actually swimming?

i’d imagine that’s possible to an extent

[silver raven]

@cerulean nexus I'm downvoting this because everyone uses the imperial system to measure beelzebuffo and I'm tired of still not knowing how big it is after almost 2 years

[cerulean nexus]

Happy?

[west token]

I see froag, I say yes.
Simple as that

[cerulean nexus]

There are online conversions you can do yourself via search function in Google. That petty comment was unnecessary.

[cerulean nexus]

Yes, frobb

[silver raven]

Much better

And also much smaller than I thought

I think evrima frogs are already nearly 5 kg btw

[cerulean nexus]

Why are people down voting now

Look what you've done

[silver raven]

Cause they only need a first one to be able to express their feelings

[cerulean nexus]

At least remove yours. I gave you what you wanted.

[silver raven]

Although honestly, I don't really see the point in adding beelzebufo
Apart from "big froge"

[silver raven]

I did

[cerulean nexus]

Danger to hatchlings.

[silver raven]

I'm pretty sure there are thousnads of other alternatives to fill that role

[rustic totem]

4 kg is nothing

[cerulean nexus]

But people like big frob

[rustic totem]

i dont like big frob

[silver raven]

Like velo, troodon, utah, beipi, galli, compy, ptero, ptera, herrera...

[rustic totem]

just no point in adding it

[silver raven]

I'm actually thinking of adding beelzebufo to my list of things that The Isle community wants for absolutely no reason
Side-by-side with pelagornis, Haast Eagle and Koolasuchus

[cerulean nexus]

They like da frob

Plus, frob can be food for small dinos

Cuz small frobs? Nah

[rustic totem]

THERE IS ALREADY A FROG WITH 4 KG IN THE GAME AND THE FROGS WONT EVEN DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE LITERALLY BE TO SMALL TO DO SHIT. A FUCKING UTAH HATCHLING WILL KICK THAT THINGS ASS

[cerulean nexus]

I feel an Ai that exclusively targets extremely small dinos near water would add extra danger.

[rustic totem]

Now im calm

[cerulean nexus]

Cope

[rustic totem]

no reason for it to exist

[cerulean nexus]

The people want the frob

That's a big ass boi

[rustic totem]

a utah fresh spawn weighs 12 kg, that is a snack for the utah

[cerulean nexus]

HATCHLINGS. You know, the defenseless little wobbly things. Hatchings will Def be smaller than a cat

Fresh spawns are juvies

[rustic totem]

no point in adding that thing

there is gonna be small playables who will the job much better

just a waste of time for the devs

[cerulean nexus]

https://youtu.be/ubPg9m5T7uE

Rip frob

[runic schooner]

lmao

[wild walrus]

haast

[cerulean nexus]

@celest locust does the Giant Calypto frog really exist? I have never seen or heard of it. May I see some proof in #paleotalk? I would like to learn more about it.

What is its full species name?

[verbal bloom]

@turbid shale ai dryo aren’t in rn

[wispy axle]

just wondering it isnt just me noticing when i pounce an ai as a juvie it just stands there maybe walks eats grass for a second or so not even noticing there is a clawed things ripping into its side right? like i mean eating grass rlly? lol

[glacial hearth]

ai is just a walking lunchbox rn lol

[wispy axle]

lol

[hot nacelle]

Make the devil toad a playable, lol

Really though, I think a few smaller additions for Juvi to snack on (With some mild danger) would be perfect.
A wave of Grunion fish washing up on shore alongside dangerous jellyfish!
Killing a Seagull and getting swooped by Pelicans!
Chasing an Iguana and being bitten by a Tarantula!
All of these sound great for filling up the world with life!

[celest locust]

too small

GEC playable though🔥

fat fucking frog

Should be like Hypsi with no growth

[celest locust]

@worn urchin ^ This dude

[worn urchin]

[wispy hound]

Any thoughts on my idea?

[glacial hearth]

pog

idea good

[silver raven]

@serene minnow Good feedback but wrong channel

[serene minnow]

moved it

[silver raven]

Better :)

[serene minnow]

sry bout that lol

[hot nacelle]

in-water scavengers + environmental hazard = Piranhas

Or maybe just hagfish, lampreys, or remoras as scavengers, and just make Piranhas hazards

most scavenger fish eat algae or filter substrate, but I figured some Piranhas would directly eat from a corpse in the water

[glacial hearth]

[wild walrus]

piranhas shouldnt be a hazard as they are only a danger to beipi chicks

[silver raven]

bleeding beipi chicks*

[wild walrus]

also true

[gleaming sundial]

Bruh juvies shouldn't go for boars solo anyway, and if you have a partner you just kite it
That said it is currently impossible to sneaky up on the AI, and the charge doesn't really seem to affect them? Not sure on the latter.

[hot nacelle]

Charge works but it sticks you to the boar, giving it time to wreck your shiz

[glad tangle]

I know this is basically pointless to say but I wanna see, instead of the regular old boar, a hell boar from the ice age.

Those things are basically boars mixed with wolves haha and they should eat both plants and animals similar to the real things.

Everything on the isle, even ai, should be designed to kill something lol imo.

Except the small stuff like rabbits, I don't really know how to make those seem interesting in a game like this...unless you make them bugs. Like a cockroach sized rabbit or a beetle sized chicken.

Now that, imo, would fit more with The Isles theme hahaha

[silver raven]

I don't see how something from the Ice Age fits in a dinosaur game...

[gleaming sundial]

It's not like the Isle is set in the mesozoic. We're gonna have humans with modern guns. Its reasonable to assume that if dinosaurs are brought back, other animals across other time periods could be as well.

Of course I don't think it'll happen but it would fit given the actual setting and wouldn't functionally change anything.

[silver raven]

But there is no reason for it
The Isle is a dinosaur game, not a mammals from the ice age game

[gleaming sundial]

As I said. It wouldn't functionally change anything. If there was a reason for it, it's not for us to say. Only the devs could say if there was a reason based in what they plan for the lore to be.

[glacial hearth]

Ehh I think it should remain a dinosaur only game and shouldn't include cenezoic mammals even as or especially as ai, ik it has sci-fi humans and all but there will be servers with no humans and strains and seeing a smilodon and mammoth in the same environment as a utahraptor and triceratops would ruin the immersion substantially imo.

[gleaming sundial]

He only really suggested replacing the things like the boar as food. I don't think anyone's gonna want smilodon etc.
Personally I don't care either way if it's just swapping in and out ai foods
I don't think the devs really wanna go down that kind of route with the lore anyway,
Well
Then again

~> titanoboa and megalania got their spotlight

[glad tangle]

Well it was more an idea than anything. But I respect you opinion and ask this....why are goats and chickens and rabbits in the game? Those are modern day animals. Why not find dinos similar in size and make those ai?

Food for thought.

[glacial hearth]

because they were imported by AE for the dinosaurs not genetically created by I agree I would prefer we don't have modern day animals but then again why you asking me? I'm not the devs lol

[glad tangle]

Meh, sounds like a cop-out to me haha. I know every little bit of data is expensive, and those models are pretty nice I guess lol

Not that serious though imo.

[glacial hearth]

pretty sure the models like the boar are store bought iirc lol

[thorny dragon]

For now, yea

Just not a massive priority to replace them

[limpid mountain]

@cerulean nexus That is an excellent idea I love the frogs that eat hatchlings! It would be great for preventing nesting too close to water & it will also provide food for juvis as they get big enough to bite them.

[silver raven]

Did you know frogs in The Isle are already beelzebufo-sized ?

[cerulean nexus]

Hm. Make them eat hatchlings.

[versed orbit]

@vast moth Legacy won't be updated anymore, and in a few months will be deleted so evrima can replace it

[thorny dragon]

We don't know when legacy will be replaced

[vast moth]

why is legacy not being updated?

[versed orbit]

Because its code its messed up

That's why they decided to start from zero, aka evrima

[versed orbit]

True, but probably up9 iirc, which is the QoL update is my guess for legacy death

[versed orbit]

So yea, don't expect anything new or even (probably) fixed, it's a branch the devs have pretty much abandoned at this point

[glad tangle]

Yep completely abandoned.

[timid salmon]

@vast moth I keep seeing you suggest things but that's for legacu

And this whole section

Is for evrima

And legacy isn't getting any updates e v e r

So u just have to deal with jt

It*

[glad tangle]

Legacy will get another update

It's called the kill button, and we all get to watch it sink.

[timid salmon]

Yea

That's the last one

All though I don't want it to really be shut down

It would still be fun from time to time to hop back on and get angry at how bad it was lmao

[barren matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[glad tangle]

Well, that's what youtube is for.

Goodbye crap town races, and hello evrima/bugg valley.

[timid salmon]

YouTube ain't the same though

It's diff seeing and playing it

[glad tangle]

Meh.

[glad tangle]

Bad idea. They should cut ties with it now and let everyone either join evrima...or get left behind. I bet the dev team would move faster since they have more people to please lol

[timid salmon]

Really bad idea

[barren matrix]

Nah i mean as a response to the more ai vs ai sounds lol in evrima

[timid salmon]

It would just kill the game bro

U can't force people to join evrima

[barren matrix]

Thats wat the gif was for xD sorry for the confusion

[timid salmon]

When it's just as ass as legacy

[glad tangle]

Ah yes.

[timid salmon]

But with better graphics

[glad tangle]

And barf? Don't FORGET BARF.

[timid salmon]

💀 💀 ✅ ✅

Barf

[glad tangle]

If I was a dev....lol

[timid salmon]

So u would kill ur game?

[barren matrix]

I feel like i notice a lot of ais in the jungles as a herbi but never as carni cuz ya cant hear them or track them or anything, you just randomly stumble upon them, but yeah, ai could be improved on a lot i think in many ways for evrima, i hope for the best

[glad tangle]

I'd kill a dead limb. Yeah.

[timid salmon]

Legacy is currently better then evrima imo

[glad tangle]

Well, let's not jump the shark pit.

[timid salmon]

It's more interesting

[glad tangle]

Indeed.

[timid salmon]

That's for sure

[glad tangle]

In what way. Also let's move the discussion to general feed back. So as not to confuse people in this chat.

[gleaming sundial]

I like watching legacy, hate playing it.

That said I think it's bad for the devs to shut down legacy. I think it was a poor decision to recode and put is as essentially a whole new game. Even if I don't like it, people bought the legacy Isle for the legacy Isle, not for evrima.
I bought the Isle for evrima. They have the same IP, but functionally they'll be different games and I don't think it's fair or even moral for developers to remove the game people bought and wanted when they got it. There's a difference between developing early access games and replacing them.

[glacial hearth]

Legacy had spaghetti code so if the devs even wanted a working game they needed to start from scratch

[gleaming sundial]

That doesn't really matter in terms of selling it as one game, but getting another. Recode is fine and not really the issue discussed.

[wild walrus]

less immersive, less mechanics and dogshit combat

only thing setting it apart is the roster

which is not interesting at all

its just reskins with different stats

[timid salmon]

True

[wild walrus]

still i can only see legacy dying at like

U7

or something

[worldly vale]

AI spawns on legacy give carnis away to herbis, giving herbis an unfair advantage in knowing that a carni is around without actually seeing or hearing the carni itself

[silver raven]

Ai spawns on legacy gave an unfair advantage to carnis because food literally spawned around them and jumped into their mouths

[timid salmon]

It gave advantages to herbis and carnivores*

[glad tangle]

@marsh vapor Everyone wants hatchlings to be completely useless.

I know it's boring but the group demands it.

[marsh vapor]

what dah

whyyy

[glacial hearth]

I mean... hunting insects doesn't make them any more useful lol

[glad tangle]

Where did I say that?

Sounds like projection to me buddy