Its jump is also poorly executed atm
#balance-feedback-discussion
sinful cove
dusky surge
also the fact that it jumps much lower when its running, which is a completely arbitrary nerf
fading pagoda
Yeah when Herrera comes out it will be able to climb trees
dim crown
Outspeeds might mean poor choises/positioning, hitbox is good as it is, imo, its not supposed to chase a moving target&shoot (let mercs do that) hypsi is not like the other dinos, but a part of the "group".
fading pagoda
also the fact that it jumps much lower when its running, which is a completely a...
Yeah I dont understand it
dusky surge
hypsi SHOULD have a ridiculously high jump
dim crown
No, bruh, you are.
dusky surge
that's a cool and unique niche
rumo every single hot take you've had has been arguably shit lmao
as far as i've seen
fading pagoda
No, bruh, you are.<:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
So I am in denial because I am criticizing somth
Ok sure
Lmao
sinful cove
Hypsi isnt supposed to chase people down to spit at them, but has anybody suggested that it is?
Its aim is unsuitable for hitting targets moving towards you
dusky surge
exactly
fading pagoda
All we are saying is that it should be used as a defense mechanism like it was intended and it cant really do that rn
dusky surge
also i really just want more dinos to feel more fun and unique, and hypsi has the raw ideas there, just the execution is flawed
you could make hypsi really damn cool
dusky surge
i agree
fading pagoda
Yeah literally all they have to do is make the spray a larger cone and let it climb
sinful cove
Half baked abilities
fading pagoda
And we already know that it will be able to climb
dusky surge
stego also feels underdone, but it has its moments that make it worth taking, unlike hypsi or dryo
sinful cove
Stego feels like legacy trike, weak
It has a strong attack but it destroys its stam and is easy to juke
dim crown
Dam... Dryo&Hipsy have special "roles" ingame
fading pagoda
I'm excited for troodon if you couldn't tell by me pfp
sinful cove
And has less hp than its weight while utah has double the hp as his weight for what ever reason
fading pagoda
They are unique
We are literally trying to make them more unique
I think u are misreading our intentions
sinful cove
Unique true, poorly done... also true
fading pagoda
Dryo should have burrow
fading pagoda
And hypsi spray should be buffed
sinful cove
He just needs better dodging and nightvision
dusky surge
Dam... Dryo&Hipsy have special "roles" ingame
take this from someone who has worked in the game design industry and has a formal education in game design. A unique mechanic can be unique for the game's whole lifetime, but that doesn't make it more fun. Yes, Hypsi and Dryo are "unique", but their unique elements suck ass, so they become stock-average since no one wants to use their unique mechanics
sinful cove
Maybe more, but burrowing isnt needed for him
fading pagoda
Dryo doesnt need burrow, honestly
It doesnt need it but it's more interesting than the sidestep. Not saying the sidestep is bad, it's really useful, but the burrow was way more fun
sinful cove
The sidestep can be turned into an omnidirectional dodge that you can aim and doesnt interrupt your acceleration
dusky surge
i think dryos should be allowed to use burrows, but idk if they should make them. Perhaps placing burrows around the map for dryos (and other small critters) to claim and hide in could be more interesting
fading pagoda
The sidestep can be turned into an omnidirectional dodge that you can aim and do...
Yeah I know it's really useful and good, it's just that the burrow is really fun
sinful cove
Dryo should be allowed to modify existing burrows maybe, yeah, but not make them
fading pagoda
i think dryos should be allowed to use burrows, but idk if they should make them...
That could be really fun actually
dim crown
take this from someone who has worked in the game design industry and has a form...
Youre wrong, and its always nice to know someone that worked " in game design industry", means im not the only 1....
But you guys havent glanced what both those dinos bring to the game.
fading pagoda
Youre wrong, and its always nice to know someone that worked " in game design in...
We are LITERALLY trying to make them better
dim crown
The best play for a hypsi, havent been discussed here.
fading pagoda
Idk why u are so mad about it
dim crown
We are LITERALLY trying to make them better
No, youre not, youre saying they useless, aim is bs .....bla bla bla .... Wrong!!
dim crown
Youre not playing it right, in the 1st place.
fading pagoda
No, youre not, youre saying they useless, aim is bs .....bla bla bla .... Wrong!...
If you read anything that I have been saying for the past 20 minutes I have listed ways to improve hypsi and make it more interesting
sinful cove
Okay, how do you play hypsi right then?
dawn falcon
Tell me. A hypsi with 0 growth which I could spawn at any time as I please and try it out which I’ve tried it out for tons and tons of times
How am I not playing it right?
Also
The right way to play hypsi is to not play it at all and play dryo
dim crown
You havent seen how "interesting" it is, in this version, and you want to change it.
dawn falcon
How is it interesting
fading pagoda
They are already making it more unique by allowing it to climb
dawn falcon
You’re just grasping at straws at this point
fading pagoda
I am saying that the spray is a really cool idea and it's an interesting concept
dim crown
Hypsi climb sounds fun
fading pagoda
It was just executed poorly and can use some smoothing over
dim crown
Spray does not need a cone.
dusky surge
Youre wrong, and its always nice to know someone that worked " in game design in...
i dont know someone, i am someone, and i dont believe someone who literally sees no problem in two very fundamentally flawed characters to have ever worked as a designer for a game
fading pagoda
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dim crown
It needs something else.
dawn falcon
It’s sounds are annoying, it’s spit is useless unless for trolling, it’s jump drains way too much stam for a climber
I can list even more if you want
dim crown
i dont know someone, i am someone, and i dont believe someone who literally sees...
Flawed?
fading pagoda
It’s sounds are annoying, it’s spit is useless unless for trolling, it’s jump dr...
All of these need to he fixed
fading pagoda
Once they are fixed, it will be a joy to play
dim crown
Whats the flaw?
dawn falcon
Like
dusky surge
no fucking way have you ignored the ENTIRE conversation about how they are flawed
fading pagoda
@dim crown you are acting like a 5 year old
dim crown
Dryo&Hypsi have arl plenty to do.
crystal wharf
there is some really easy ways to make the systems for dryo and hypsi not complete ass while sticking to the base concept
dawn falcon
Hypsi jumps about the same height as a Utah’s jump, and yet it drains SO much more stam than a Utah
Why does it drain so much stam for a jump not that great
I don’t get it
dusky surge
Dryo&Hypsi have arl plenty to do.
what is this "plenty to do" you speak of? what exactly can they do?
dawn falcon
Atleast make it drain like 7-10% stam
Not 25%
crystal wharf
what is this "plenty to do" you speak of? what exactly can they do?
be food for him probably, he clearly doesnt want engaging playables
dusky surge
lmao
dawn falcon
I’ve played dryo. Literally all you do is sit, wait 30 minutes until you’re adult, eat and drink, and ravage juvies
Dryo is literally carnivore gameplay
dim crown
Theres more you can do.
dusky surge
i main utah, won't lie that i enjoy running around with a big pack and attacking things, but i don't overlook design flaws for other characters.
crystal wharf
literally isnt
dawn falcon
Like what
dusky surge
Theres more you can do.<:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
Fucking name it then
you argue without points
dim crown
Mhm, dunno.
dusky surge
AHAHAHAHA
dim crown
Apparently its a secret.
dusky surge
oh my god
dim crown
what is this "plenty to do" you speak of? what exactly can they do?
Whats the 1st rule in FightClub?
dusky surge
you genuinely aren't worth arguing with, one of the worst debaters of all time. You'll go against the primary consensus, then back down when pressured for evidence to your claims
rumo
buddy
you need to stay on topic to win an argument
i know you can do it buddy, i believe in you
crystal wharf
Whats the 1st rule in FightClub?<:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
doesnt apply here
dusky surge
i sure fucking hope so
dawn falcon
You’re very bad at being constructive and point fingers saying “this is wrong and that’s a fact” like someone I know
Dio
No bud
dusky surge
please put this in a yt vid
dusky surge
i want you to immortalise this moment
dawn falcon
I wouldn’t mind seeing the YT sink
crystal wharf
I might be putting this on a YT vid?<:TI_Think:411454418031214592>
putting what, you failing a debate royally?
dim crown
I just said theres more to it that meets the eye...
crystal wharf
You’re very bad at being constructive and point fingers saying “this is wrong an...
class is worse
crystal wharf
I just said theres more to it that meets the eye...
fucking tell us then
dusky surge
evidence is key
dim crown
Yup
dusky surge
okay
crystal wharf
inb4, watch my youtube video to see it
dusky surge
yea i expected as much
dawn falcon
~~class is worse~~
do agree
dusky surge
rumo do you want private debating classes? im free, i just feel bad for you atm
dim crown
I dont feel bad at all.
crystal wharf
i want to say something real bad but i cant... oh fuck i wanna say it
dim crown
Apparently theres a vid i need to do.
dawn falcon
Atleast he more or less agreed with us
“What is there to do”
“Dunno”
crystal wharf
I dont feel bad at all.<:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
of course you dont feel, no snails do
dim crown
lol
dawn falcon
😩
dim crown
he technically did agree with us
Wrong.
dusky surge
so yea, we're all in agreement that hypsi needs a change
so does dryo
glad we all came to this conclusion
crystal wharf
yup, and unlike a lot of people, i actually have ideas for what to change
dim crown
Its no fucking secret sometimes we cant see something, and its right under our nose, playing AS a hypsi is 1 of those things 
dim crown
Perfect
crystal wharf
yeah i think something broke
dim crown
What has to change, bork, is the way ppl "play" it.
crystal wharf
no
dusky surge
okay
dim crown
Ok
crystal wharf
what needs to change is the entire animal
dusky surge
lets go over that
crystal wharf
both of them actually
dim crown
It doesnt need better aim
crystal wharf
it really does
dusky surge
the hypsi's gameplay, as it stands, is run and die, spit and die or hide
dim crown
It needs help 2 stun its target for ex, but theres more!!!
crystal wharf
omnidirectional yes
keeps movement yes
gives speed boost after yes
chargeable no
dusky surge
i want to know how rumo sees how hypsi should be played
crystal wharf
It needs help 2 stun its target for ex, but theres more!!!
stun? are you mental?
dim crown
No im a teno
dusky surge
of course you are
dim crown
I stun u shoot
crystal wharf
that explains a lot
dim crown
Oh
dusky surge
so you want people to play as a really really shitty support to a specific dino
dim crown
But thats nothing...
dusky surge
i see
dim crown
Theres more!!
dusky surge
yes, i suppose that is a way to play hypsi
crystal wharf
@dim crown they do not balance around herds, especially mix herds, every animal should be viable by itself
dim crown
<@!219855420381069314> they do not balance around herds, especially mix herds, e...
Debatable
crystal wharf
Debatable
no, literally not debatable, its fact
im going to list it, hopefully in simple enough terms for everybody here
dusky surge
<@!219855420381069314> they do not balance around herds, especially mix herds, e...
they kinda do balance around herds tho, like how utah and teno are
specifically utah tho
dim crown
I said maybe because, in the future there might be more, or just that we can talk here all day and not be 100% accurate in everything we say.
dusky surge
but not mix-herds
crystal wharf
they kinda do balance around herds tho, like how utah and teno are
tenonto and utah are viable on their lonesome, utahs pounce still works, its just more usable against large targets in a group
sinful cove
utah is still viable by itself, especially when more small game is added. nothing should rely on a group to be viable
dusky surge
I said maybe because, in the future there might be more, or just that we can tal...
okay, rumo, i agree there may be more in the future, however, we are not certain of that fact, hence why we give feedback to change the hypsi so that we have a higher chance of seeing that future change
dim crown
no, literally not debatable, its fact
Debatable, i mean , when you saying a hypsi cant survive by itself....pfft
Git gud scrub :TI_Yikes:
crystal wharf
snail brain used attempted insult, it wasnt very effective
dim crown
Insult? lol
dusky surge
i mean
dim crown
Wrong again
dusky surge
rumo, not trying to be rude, but is english your native language?
crystal wharf
alright so, hypsi changes
toss both systems in their current form
give the spit a zone shaped aiming reticle, change nothing else, its fine then
completely redo the jump
make it aimable (it shows where you are going to land) if you hit a solid surface (tree, wall, etc) you cling onto it, from this state you can either, jump again, or spit, if you remain on the wall for too long you begin to slide down, process repeats if you hit another tree, if you hit a platform then you go into a normal walking state
dryo changes
toss it all
give it good nightvision
burrow invasion
the ability to smell food and water while moving like carnivores
when standing still and scenting you focus in on dinosaur made sounds coming from the area your camera is pointed
dodge rework
doesnt stop you in place anymore
omnidirectional like alt attacks
gives you a small speed boost after the dodge that slightly surpasses utah speed
stat changes
nerf speed to 50 kph
increase growth time to 45 minutes again
dim crown
Niet
crystal wharf
there, i fixed both playables
dim crown
Jump on hypsi might need rework, havent "played" with it to much, to have an opinion, but the spit is ok.
Dryo shouldnt scent while moving.
fading pagoda
The only time I have survived as as a hypsi for more than 20 minutes is when I trailed behind a herd of like 3 stegosaurus and 2 tenos. And I am a veteran player of the original game, and havevolayed evrima since launch. If that doesn't say anything I dont know what the fuck does
And the reason for that is because hypsi is USELESS
crystal wharf
Dryo shouldnt scent while moving.
why to both
why should hypsi spit be reserved for trolling
dim crown
Legacy is like kindergarden, Evrima is Highschool.
crystal wharf
and why should dryo be unable to scout
dim crown
Dryo can scout
fading pagoda
It needs to change too keep people engaged, if you dont think that then fuck it I guess you win bro. But people are gonna fall out of this dino In a hot minute If nothing is changed. Its absolute fucking shit and it's not fun to play for the 99% of the people who play this game. I wanted to be a hypsi main but couldn't because its fucking unbearable
crystal wharf
that way people arent playing it like a small green utah
dim crown
Its a dryo, youre not meant to go hunting, like carnivores.
dusky surge
we agree on that, but the issue is not all dinos have good tools to fulfil that role
dim crown
where the fuck did i say it was hunting?
What you wanna scout?
fading pagoda
Evrima is an improvement over legacy I can at least agree with that
crystal wharf
What you wanna scout?
food and water like it clearly says there you idiot
dim crown
we agree on that, but the issue is not all dinos have good tools to fulfil that ...
Debatable.
crystal wharf
its not
dim crown
food and water like it clearly says there you idiot
What.
fading pagoda
Hypsi will have a better fucking role if it wasn't a punching bag that cant take a fucking punch
dusky surge
i mean, it could be, if you could provide valid points that argue a different pov
fading pagoda
i mean, it could be, if you could provide valid points that argue a different po...
RIGHT
crystal wharf
What.
the ability to smell food and water while moving like carnivores
bolded it out for you to understand
dim crown
Hypsi will have a better fucking role if it wasn't a punching bag that cant take...
Rule 3: Dont get hit
dusky surge
kinda hard when you don't have the tools as hypsi to prevent being hit
crystal wharf
inb4 just find them
dusky surge
not fast enough, acid cannot hit moving targets, acid leaves you immobile in use
fading pagoda
Rule 3: Dont get hit
Tou think I dont fucking know that
dim crown
the ability to smell **food and water** while moving like carnivores
bolded it ...
Scout for food&water, ok......
fading pagoda
not fast enough, acid cannot hit moving targets, acid leaves you immobile in use
And it cant do the high jump while moving
dusky surge
that too
dim crown
kinda hard when you don't have the tools as hypsi to prevent being hit
Yes they do.
crystal wharf
Scout for food&water, ok......
yes, how hard is it to understand
dusky surge
rumo can you PLEASE just inform us on what these tools are
you've been hinting at these illusive tools
fading pagoda
@dim crown we are literally trying to make the dinosaurs you are "defending" better
dusky surge
but what are they
fading pagoda
Yes please inform us oh informed one
dusky surge
i dont like simply going on the attack, i genuinely want to know where you are coming from so i can get a better understanding of your pov and we can come to an actual conclusion
dim crown
Snipe a stunned dino is enough for 1 day.
fading pagoda
I swear to god if you say somth that was blatantly obvious that we all fucking know or worse already talked about I'm gonna be PISSED
dusky surge
rumo please
yes
you can do that
in the rare occasion that you are i range of a stunned dino
however
that makes hypsi an entirely dependent creature
without any form of independence
crystal wharf
Snipe a stunned dino is enough for 1 day.
yes, because i am going to always be within range of a tenonto, you absolute idiot, they do not balance, around mix herds, they never have, never will, get that through your skull
dusky surge
it cannot even rely on its own kind for assistance
fading pagoda
That is an extremely situational thing that only happens in the vicinity of carnes or worse, and if you are in that vicinity, I would like you to refer to rule #3 that you so blatantly enforced upon me
dim crown
Rare occasion? you mean in the "Danger zone"? In the middle of a fight/hunt? @dusky surge
fading pagoda
Rare occasion? <:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824> you mean in the "Danger zone"? I...
Rule #3 never get caught
Right
So why would you ever enter the zone in which it is almost a 100% chance that you will get caught
dim crown
that makes hypsi an entirely dependent creature
Its not, half wrong.
old crag
Would be cool if hypsi spit also messed up smell for a short time. That Wray when you do land it, you have a much better chance of escaping.
crystal wharf
id honestly rather talk to dio or class right now
fading pagoda
Would be cool if hypsi spit also messed up smell for a short time. That Wray whe...
That would be amazing
dim crown
Rule 3: Dont get hit @fading pagoda
dusky surge
i genuinely want to have a constructive argument with you but you make it so tough. You repeat debunked points, refuse to give evidence and shut down any points that go against you.
Please
dim crown
Same fucking thing
Nope its not.
fading pagoda
i genuinely want to have a constructive argument with you but you make it so tou...
Exactly that
Yes getting caught by a pack of ravaging carnivores is different than getting hit by a pack of ravaging carnivores. Logic
dim crown
yes, because i am going to always be within range of a tenonto, you absolute idi...
You blind asf, and im asking politely for you to stop with all the stupid&idiotic stuff, no need for that.
fading pagoda
You blind asf, and im asking politely for you to stop with all the stupid&idioti...
Dude
crystal wharf
the only one doing stupid and idiotic things here, is you
dusky surge
earlier you said you worked in the game design industry, but this attitude is simply such a bad approach to the field. You need to be open to alternatives and critique and work as a team to come to a satisfactory conclusion, especially if a wide majority agrees in tandem that there is an issue in that specific area. I don't like fighting for the sake of fighting, because this is getting nowhere, and you're being hostile for the sake of hostility.
fading pagoda
earlier you said you worked in the game design industry, but this attitude is si...
Holy fucking shit yes
Now I haven't studied game design but that is a really good outlook for business and life in general
dusky surge
i didn't become lead game designer for a studio by saying "im right, you're wrong" and changing only what i liked. Everyone has valuable input, even people who most people immediately dismiss, because if you drill deep enough, there's always a reason someone thinks the way they do. I've had my mind changed on many things in my time at my old studio because i bothered to hear people out.
fading pagoda
Normally I am super chill but you have pushed me over the edge sir
dusky surge
im TRYING to find your reasoning
i really am
stop arguing and being hostile, please
dim crown
Hypsi should play in the "danger zone" just like the rest.
dusky surge
okay, but what is the danger zone
crystal wharf
literally the entire point of its abilities is to get it out of the danger zone
dim crown
If you been in game industry, you should know that not all feedback is good feedback.
fading pagoda
We are arguing with a human that has the brain of a atego
crystal wharf
If you been in game industry, you should know that not all feedback is good feed...
you are a prime example
"these two animals need to be rethought any ideas?"
"dont change them"
"why?"
"dunno"
dim crown
If a community is asking for 1 thing, the game might do exactly the opposite, not to go against an "idea", its just that the community might not have " grasped it" and needs an "eye opener"
dusky surge
If you been in game industry, you should know that not all feedback is good feed...
i know that for a fact, however, that doesn't mean that the community does not have valid points amidst the stupid
crystal wharf
you have provided
no ideas
havent grasped anything
and clearly need glasses or an entire new pair of eyes
dim crown
Im sry if i sounded hostile, not my intention, but sometimes truth hurts.
fading pagoda
you are a prime example
He ain't even making criticism at this point. His denial is so deep that deinos might start moving in
dim crown
And i dont go around any bush for, i will go straight to the target.
fading pagoda
Bleach your face dude. You need to wake up
crystal wharf
And i dont go around any bush for, i will go straight to the target.
by shooting backwards?
fading pagoda
Clean those eyes
dusky surge
If a community is asking for 1 thing, the game might do exactly the opposite, no...
sometimes this is the case, yes, but in the case we are specifically talking about, the community has free choice of what dino they choose and hypsis are rare as black snow, so, in this case, the hypsi NEEDS to be addressed, because otherwise no one will play that dino. We have arguable in-game evidence to back the fact that hypsi needs changes to keep itself engaging for players and have a considerable amount of people who actively choose it over other dinos
crystal wharf
you have provided no ideas, no evidence, no understanding, no help, and nothing else of value
fading pagoda
sometimes this is the case, yes, but in the case we are specifically talking abo...
Wave be spilling facts
fading pagoda
you have provided no ideas, no evidence, no understanding, no help, and nothing ...
Bork be spilling facts as well
dim crown
Trying to insult me takes you nowhere, ill flush the toilet.
fading pagoda
Trying to insult me takes you nowhere, ill flush the toilet.<:TI_LUL:46164209467...
Wtf does that even mean? Did you take a dump or somth
crystal wharf
do you know how to do that?
dusky surge
you are right that the community is not always right about everything, however in this specific scenario, the idea is to incentivise the community to choose a specific dino over all alternatives, which is not done as it is because of the fact that the hypsi's core kit is undermade and weak
sinful cove
he took a hot steamy dump and it is called his opinion
crystal wharf
fading pagoda
he took a hot steamy dump and it is called his opinion
Truth
sinful cove
anyway back to lurking and not taking part in this toxicity 
fading pagoda
In that case, please do flush the toilet
crystal wharf
im done with this conversation, time to go talk to dio about why pachy needs to 1 shot shant
fading pagoda
We are presenting factual evidence and you are trying to debunk it by saying "your wrong and I'm right" and when we ask you to back it up you say: "idk lol"
Yeah I'm gonna leave too
dim crown
sometimes this is the case, yes, but in the case we are specifically talking abo...
What i said about it, was that the dino doesnt need a change, because feedback is not yet good, what needs to change first is how we play it.
vagrant mural
man did I just miss a dumbass convo?
crystal wharf
its still going
fading pagoda
I will return when the civilized peoples return to this place
fading pagoda
man did I just miss a dumbass convo?
Holy fucking shit yes
dusky surge
for example, the suggestion to "buff deino" makes no sense, as we can clearly see that deino is still popular enough to warrant many many players picking it over other dinos, with sometimes half a server choosing deino. However, we clearly see that the game has very little hypsi and dryo players, so it would be wise to change them in order to incentivise more players to choose that dino
fading pagoda
RUMO is being a child
Now I bid all of you a kind farewell
Wave, bork, Doesnt Matter, have a good one
dim crown
man did I just miss a dumbass convo?
Apparently spit on a stunned dino hurts
vagrant mural
Apparently spit on a stunned dino hurts <:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
what
fading pagoda
RUMO flush the damn toilet and wash your eyes
dim crown
Exactly
dim crown
for example, the suggestion to "buff deino" makes no sense, as we can clearly se...
I been playing just dryo for a week or so.
Deino needs no buff, atm
marble pond
@spare badger have you seen #general-feedback message
dim crown
Half server playing deino is a phase, balance has nothing to do with it.
dusky surge
i agree, i think deino is well balanced
however, what makes it so appealing is its wider variety of unique mechanics
dim crown
Im afraid playing deino and liking it 2 much
dusky surge
water sense, good underwater vision, dragging and drowning and a tanky body make deino an intriguing pick for many players
it plays very differently from other dinos
dim crown
I love this game
marble pond
It took me basically 4 weeks to get out of the Pteranodon trance. I still play it regularly, when one of my other characters dies I hop servers and play on my ptera for the social experience.
Phases definitely exist whenever a new playable is introduced.
dim crown
#MasterRace
marble pond
When fractures are introduced, all the combat characters will become popular again. It's only a matter of time. What's Ptera gonna do with fractures? Get its wings shredded?
dusky surge
i mean
it can fly
it's already very fragile
it's designed to die easy because it can fly
marble pond
I will definitely be giving Quetz a try on its release.
crystal wharf
i tab back and you're talking about pteras pecker, what?
marble pond
i tab back and you're talking about pteras pecker, what?
Beautiful
fading pagoda
i just tabbed back what is happening
have we moved on
and come to a mature and satisfying conclusion in this very adult and controlled debate?
dusky surge
ptera is designed to collect fish or scavenge corpses, an interesting and unique design for a dino, especially a carni
marble pond
For sure
dusky surge
rather than going on the hostile, it plays more passively like a herbi
dim crown
Pteras can rule all, the issue is mainly like the hypsi's previous issue, its a "how to play with"
dusky surge
i like that a lot
dim crown
Maybe not Wave
fading pagoda
ptera is designed to collect fish or scavenge corpses, an interesting and unique...
facts
dusky surge
i have no problem with ptera tho
fading pagoda
can someone inform me where the debate is currently
dusky surge
i think it's a well made and interesting dino with cool mechanics and a unique playstyle
dim crown
Its kinda like the Hypsi issue, we can either play Hypsi OR play AS a Hypsi, same happens with the birb.
fading pagoda
hypsi does not have a unique playstyle as of right now
they can fix it by giving it climbing and buffing the spray
nothing is harming your unique playstyle RUMO
its only helping it
marble pond
Again, #general-feedback message is a legitimate option. More complicated things have been done with Unreal.
dim crown
i think it's a well made and interesting dino with cool mechanics and a unique p...
A good Ptera flock can perform as well as a Utah pack, in terms of for have the same number of kills for example.
dusky surge
i haven't seen this, but if this is the case, again, this is a unique and interesting way to play that dino
dim crown
they can fix it by giving it climbing and buffing the spray
It can climb, but buff spit is OP
dusky surge
especially with its low hitpoints and constant need for stamina, it would be significantly risky to try this
spit is very weak atm, i don't see a buff doing too much harm
fading pagoda
It can climb, but buff spit is OP
it wouldnt be OP at all. It would make this under average dino playable
dim crown
i haven't seen this, but if this is the case, again, this is a unique and intere...
I know, thats what i been saying 
dim crown
Cone spit is OP
fading pagoda
making the spit a shorter range, and having it be a wide cone rather than a line would make the ability far easier to use in actual situations, and far more impractical for annoying trolls
dusky surge
you agree that ptera is good because of its unique design, so why are you so against changes to hypsi, who is SO CLOSE to having very unique elements of its own
dim crown
Its meant for a specific situation just like a pounce, or a charge.
fading pagoda
it would be an actually useful ability that would eliminate annoying trolls who shit all over the hypsi name
fading pagoda
Its meant for a specific situation just like a pounce, or a charge.
except its not tho because thats ALL HYPSI HAS
fading pagoda
at least with other dinos they have other things to do, like fish, or attack or raise young
dim crown
Inagination bruh
fading pagoda
inagination
dusky surge
it does technically have a jump, but that jump is also unnecessarily weakened
fading pagoda
my new favorite word
dim crown
Some dinos are meant to attack other are meant to defend
fading pagoda
Some dinos are meant to attack other are meant to defend
HYPSI IS NOT MEANT TO DEFEND
dusky surge
hypsi's defensive move can only be used offensively
dim crown
Jump is another issue, imo
fading pagoda
hypsi's defensive move can only be used offensively
yes and it should not be an offensive move. It should be defense like how it is supposed to be
dusky surge
since in order to land it you have to go directly up to the predator and pre-emptively attack it when it is otherwise pre-occupied
limber elbow
was head shots on stego always so punishing or did they change something recently?
fading pagoda
its literally described as a defensive mechanism to make a clean get away
dim crown
The way of the spitting sniper... I love hypsi game
fading pagoda
which doesnt work because when you are trying to get away from something, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS STOP IN PLACE AND AIM TO SHOOT AT A MOVING TARGET
dusky surge
i think hypsi needs either auto-aim on the eye (i.e. it will always shoot closer to the eye even when your reticule isn't on it) or a cone of fire
fading pagoda
The way of the spitting sniper... I love hypsi game
congratulations you like something about a game you dont need to be a 5 year old forcing your opinions onto others
fading pagoda
i think hypsi needs either auto-aim on the eye (i.e. it will always shoot closer...
yes yes yes yes
dim crown
hypsi's defensive move can only be used offensively
Yes, a good defense is a strong offense.
fading pagoda
Yes, a good defense is a strong offense.
that is not true
dusky surge
okay
fading pagoda
i am sorry but no
dusky surge
but hypsi sucks in both regards
fading pagoda
that is just incorrect
in some circumstances it is valid
but when you are using that to justify hypsi, thats a big fat no no man
dusky surge
he can only play offensively if the dino would otherwise not chase him, because the dino needs to be otherwise pre-occupied (drinking, wallowing, eating, stunned or otherwise), meaning he has not only aggravated the otherwise unaware dino into a chase, but he could've simply moved away from the potential aggressor
fading pagoda
he can only play offensively if the dino would otherwise not chase him, because ...
and as we have been over this, when you are a hypsi in this situation, you should RUN
dusky surge
not to mention the aggressor is more than likely faster than it and very lethal to it
so the acid, in this scenario, is less than useless
because it makes you more of a target
fading pagoda
not to mention the aggressor is more than likely faster than it and very lethal ...
another gripe i have with hypsi is that its slow as balls and its turn radius is shit for a smol boi
literally everything outspeeds it except stego, deino and ptera
which arent gonna be attacking you anytime soon
vagrant mural
Ptera outspeeds it by a mile wdym lmao
dim crown
Depending on every scenario hypsi has more than enough to survive.
dusky surge
groundspeed i guess
fading pagoda
Ptera outspeeds it by a mile wdym lmao
when its on the ground i mean
vagrant mural
Have you seen Ptera run speed, that shit is scary
fading pagoda
Have you seen Ptera run speed, that shit is scary
yeah but like when are u gonna be chasing something on the ground as a ptera
dim crown
School is closed (kidding)
fading pagoda
like wave said, if it autolocked on the eye, almost all of my gripes would be fixed because climbing is coming
and @dim crown if autolocking is in the game, you can still snipe.
dim crown
No auto lock plz!!!
fading pagoda
the only thing they would have to change if autolocking was introduced, was the fact that hypsi can shoot pteras out of the sky
dusky surge
Depending on every scenario hypsi has more than enough to survive.
this is true. Hypsi can survive well because it can play very stealthy due to small stature. However, how engaging is this playstyle for those using it? It never uses its primary abilities like jump or spit, because these abilities are straight-up disadvantageous to it, lowering its stomach and stamina for little reward and, as it starts fully grown, it has nothing to lose from death. The primary issue I have is not the survivability of the hypsi but the engagement that it gives the player. There are no stakes and no incentives to utilise any of its core features, so why play it?
dim crown
Auto lock is OP asf
fading pagoda
Auto lock is OP asf
not full auto lock. Semi auto lock
dim crown
No plz
fading pagoda
when your reticule gets close enough to the head it will lock on
dim crown
Thats not what that feature needs
fading pagoda
it wont just automatically snap to a dinos face
fading pagoda
Thats not what that feature needs
then what does the feature need
dim crown
Just like a pounce or a charge, a spit is for a specific situation.
fading pagoda
this is true. Hypsi can survive well because it can play very stealthy due to sm...
also yes i 100% agree with this
fading pagoda
Just like a pounce or a charge, a spit is for a specific situation.
yes it is for a specific situation. But that situation is much more situational and puts you at a disadvantage when you use it. Where as the other abilities, can be extremely useful when exercised properly
and dont say "then dont miss the spit"
because 95% of spits will miss
spare badger
It's really hard to aim
fading pagoda
It's really hard to aim
exactly
thats why it needs to be a cone
or have semi autolock
all they have to do is tweek its hitbox/aiming and take out the fact that it can knock pteras out of the air
@dim crown they can make it a cone and have it keep the same range
they just need to make it so it can hit pteras out of the air
you will be able to snipe, and the ability will be useful in scenarios that it was intended for in the first place
dim crown
this is true. Hypsi can survive well because it can play very stealthy due to sm...
You right about some stuff there, and to answer you, to why play it? imo, a herd to be dominating, when to play herb "A-Game", needs some good hypsi's, 1 is not enough.
fading pagoda
You right about some stuff there, and to answer you, to why play it? imo, a herd...
what is this grammar
i cannot understand this
wheat field
I had a stroke
fading pagoda
I had a stroke
welcome to the club m8
dim crown
yes it is for a specific situation. But that situation is much more situational ...
Wrong, it doesnt put you as hypsi at a disavantage, but just like a bad pounce, you need 2 know wtf you doing, when to do it, where to do it etc....
dim crown
because 95% of spits will miss
Not if your herd stunned you target.
dim crown
It's really hard to aim
Perfect
fading pagoda
Not if your herd stunned you target.
if you have to herd to be able to play a dino then its stupid
if you have to rely on others to be a functioning organism on the isle then something about you has to change for the better
dim crown
Can i be more offensive? Cone spit for hypsi is as lame as buff a deino, imo.
fading pagoda
Can i be more offensive? Cone spit for hypsi is as lame as buff a deino, imo.
wrong
incorrect
deino is already strong
therefore it is dumb to want to buff it
hypsi is an unplayable piece of trash that needs to be buffed.
therefore
having an above average move on a bad dino, can help it become viable
I wanted to be a hypsi main so bad
dim crown
Sry my typo, im on a bad phone.
fading pagoda
i thought the design was so awesome and i love birds
the thought of high jumping and blinding predators was sooooo cool
fading pagoda
but the execution of it was trash
dim crown
Im not
fading pagoda
dont tell people what is wrong and what is right to main
dont push your uneducated, immature opinions onto others
dim crown
Try play em all and give feedback
fading pagoda
dont tell people how to have fun
dont tell people what to say or give feedback on
just
dont
please
dim crown
Youre salt is seasoning for my sauce
fading pagoda
Youre salt is seasoning for my sauce <:TI_LUL:461642094671429634>
your sauce is your greasy 5 year old neckbeard sweat
stfu
stop telling people what to beleive
y'know i really wanted to have a mature debate with you
but you wouldnt let me
so thank you so much for making my night shit
im sooooo happy
dim crown
Man...
sharp light
Now that was fun to read
fading pagoda
Now that was fun to read
im sure
Now i'm going to leave before i have an aniorism
thanks again for the debate
was very mature and conclusive
fading pagoda
#MakeHypsiGreat
desert wave
Teno is supposed to be the biggest prey item a single carno can go after, thus being a difficult fight
willow sapphire
Yes but it still will be within herds or other tenos 80% of the time
So no need to have the capability to almost win a 1v1 against a lone carno.
Also hypsi should not be able to jump higher than carno
It should probably be halved or cut down by 25% and the sprint jump thing should be increased to the same aswell.
spare badger
Don't nerf teno. It's like Maia v carno in legacy. They have a 50/50 matchup. Teno should stay as it is.
willow sapphire
Makes sense, but the teno can still spam tail whap while carno cannot spam its' charge. It should be changed 100% to a cooldown half as much as the carnos' charge.
Just to make it even out more.
sinful cove
Why are people mad that something slower than them can fight back
I swear its the same shit every day lol
And you're mad that it can “almost” win” The fuck? Lmao
Also you want to nerf hypsi jump that is already a garbage ability? I can make an easy guess on what faction you main, yikes
alpine plover
I feel like Teno is currently the most balanced creature in the game, it can actually stand a chance against what can attack it currently
And run from what's stronger than it
sinful cove
Yeah and some weirdos have a problem with an herbi standing a chance
alpine plover
Deino can even snatch them if they're not paying attention while drinking water
Exactly, it fathoms me
sinful cove
They want to just indulge in their little rp fantasy where they go around and steamroll everything snd pretend theyre stronger than they really are
alpine plover
Unfortunately, it's nice to actually have a very balanced dino
sinful cove
Acting like some jurassic park rex just oneshotting everything and broadcasting like it was an achievement
alpine plover
Oh that reminds me of all the people wanting Deino to be "realistic" in a fantasy game
sinful cove
Yeah tenonto doesnt need nerfs, carno can just run away if it is having problems, it has that liberty
alpine plover
Exactly
sinful cove
Lmao yeah people who wanted deino to have like 20000 bite force and break everything in half
alpine plover
Carno has a good chance against Teno. And it has, like you said, that liberty to run away
sinful cove
And the people who wanted 50km/h giga
alpine plover
"WHY CAN'T I ONE SHOT EVERYTHING??? THIS GAME ISN'T REALISTIC!!!!!!!!"
Oh my god that was a thing?
50km/h giga?
alpine plover
And the people who wanted 50km/h giga
WHAT???
sinful cove
Yeah it came up a lot
sinful cove
It was a pretty regular suggestion at one point
alpine plover
that’s not even realistic anyways, where tf do these people get this information from?
Yeah just give it herrara speed, because that's game design and balance!
left scroll
teno being a little tougher for carno to hunt works fine imo
alpine plover
I agree!
desert wave
People just want to mail through everything as a carnivore
sinful cove
Teno should have the melee advantage since it is slower and close in size
left scroll
carno is meant to be a small game hunter. teno isn't quite small game but I can see it being sort of the upper limit, that particularly skilled carnos, or packs, take on
alpine plover
Carno is more of the speedy boy, not the beefy boy
alpine plover
carno is meant to be a small game hunter. teno isn't *quite* small game but I ca...
Teno is sorta like a high tier small in a way
sinful cove
Yeah people just wanna jurassic park rp as some big bulldozer predator even as something that is supposed to hunt small game
desert wave
teno being a little tougher for carno to hunt works fine imo
Teno is a good measurement for what a carno should hunt. Everything bigger than it is a bad idea and everything smaller is on the menu
left scroll
essentially
sinful cove
Yep pretty much
left scroll
like, a carno should be able to hunt a teno, but they need to know what they're doing and even then it won't be a 100% success rate
if a fight goes bad, you can just run away
alpine plover
it’s like the same people saying brachi should be immortal “just because it’s big”
left scroll
its not like carno is lacking in stamina
alpine plover
big thing crush small thing
sinful cove
Yeah idk what theyre pissing themselves about when they can just leave at any time, unlike the slower herbi in many cases
desert wave
it’s like the same people saying brachi should be immortal “just because it’s bi...
Invincible until it falls half a meter
sinful cove
I highly doubt brachi will be invincible, and it shouldnt be
alpine plover
Invincible until it falls half a meter <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>
13+ hours gone because of a pebble 
giga should specialize in hunting sauropods specifically
can't wait for the "BUFF REX IT CAN'T BONE BREAK EVERYTHING AND HIT BOX BREAK!!!"
sinful cove
A few gigas will probably topple one, hell i bet with how this game works fcking utahs will kill brachi
left scroll
I feel like generally speaking, if you are the faster animal in a fight, it should require more skill for you to kill the other player. Not that fighting should be an easy skilless thing for the slower player, but they don't have the liberty of leaving. If the fight is on your terms, you need to be willing to actually try
sinful cove
“Buff rex it should inflict full fracture to everything instantly!!!”
alpine plover
Legacy rex flashbacks
alpine plover
“Buff rex it should inflict full fracture to everything instantly!!!”
God we don’t need legacy rex again 
I'm surpised people didn't complain as much about utah as I thought they would
Can't ass-ride anymore because of alt-attacks
sinful cove
Yeah exactly, the slower player trades speed for a melee advantage, the faster player should have to work harder
alpine plover
big horse vs bull lizard
That is basically what Teno is right?
Just a big ol' horse
big horse
yes
left scroll
a very weaponised horse
sinful cove
Big horse kangaroo... thing
sinful cove
Teno is pretty well done, unlike stego, hypsi and dryo
alpine plover
Gross
left scroll
balance wise i think teno, carno and utah are all in a pretty good place
they're all good at doing what they're meant to do
left scroll
it's not stego bad or deino good, at least
dusky surge
utah is VERY close to good
just iron out some inconsistency and annoyances with the pounce and we golden
primarily the massive slowdown and stun from dismount
alpine plover
and the desync, gives a huge disadvantage for a creature that needs to be accurate
dusky surge
yea
i dont think utah is bad, i just think he has a few flaws that need fully ironing out
left scroll
reminds me, one of the issues with carno is desync actually
its part of what makes them a problem for dryos and hypsis
dusky surge
carno and teno are two very well designed dinos tho imo. I can't argue with that assessment
left scroll
you can think you're dodging it, but big time lag means you get hit anyway
if they ironed that out carno would be pretty much perfect i think
left scroll
a deino lunged at me (hypsi) while i was running around with a dryo bud the other day. they grabbed the dryo instead lmao, even though it really should have hit me
wheat ridge
@willow sapphire teno can only beat a carno if it tries to tank his ass, dont try to tank a teno ass pls and you will be fine, herbis doesnt need to be easy prey just because they are herbis, try to use braincells while fighting
willow sapphire
yes but, it should have a cooldown on its tail whip then
because it can spam tail whip and its so annoying
reef sapphire
Out of curiosity, I wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed Ptra carebearing other species? I mean fish delivery service is really nice when youre a juvi carni, but its still... carebearing
A majroty of that will be fixed with diets but, I can see an issue with other aquatics/semis when theyre added
wheat ridge
@willow sapphire there is a problem with nerfing herbis in a specific way, they are already barely herbi players on evrima or legacy , i think herbis in legacy suck but evrima herbis are pretty good and while they are quite balanced and attractive in their playstyle ( stego/ teno, the other 2 pretty much suck ass) you still see barely anyone play them, if they make them weaker they could just delete them, this was always a problem with this game
willow sapphire
makes sense, and understandable too. But I feel like the only herbi players in legacy is with things such as trike because they took a massive shit on anything other than an apex, with other mechanics hopefully there will be more lower tier - mid tier dinos and more herbis aswell
burnt citrus
Eventual AI additions of most dinos will fix that problem./
wheat ridge
ye, well on legacy with alt tun giga pretty much also shits on trike
granite gate
how long does it take to grow a tenonto?
also in legacy i literally never saw herbi death squads going around. most of the hard-hitting ones were too slow to actually be able to hunt anything down. only decently balanced herbi i can remember from legacy was maia
i think the big issue in evrima isnt that legacy somehow had better balanced herbis, the issue is that there arent any big herd spots like there were back in legacy (i.e, great falls or herbi hill)
hopefully diets will fix this. also i think nesting will help people be able to grow a herd more easily which is 90% of why people liked to play herbi in legacy -- it was to be a part of a large formidable herd
wheat ridge
teno takes 1 hour 45 mins i think
dim radish
Out of curiosity, I wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed Ptra carebearing ot...
Yes, and I do it myself, I gotta admit.
There is a lot of fish spawn where Pteras like to mostly sit and they have a lot of access food which they like to hand away for the most part to not waste any.
On the other hand it is often shown as a peace symbol to other carnivores, especially utahs in a sense of
“ Here, I give you my fish if you let me live“
reef sapphire
I mean, I haven't really witnessed a ptra killing problem. The only thing Ive witnessed killing Ptra is Dieno, it's not worth killing them for a lot of players when finding a ptra or two could mean carebearing to nearly adulthood. Im guilty of it too but, Im starting to realize the overlaying problem with it when I can land by a bunch of Carnos who I never met before and have them two call at me/juvis sit with me
dusky surge
i think ptera needs the bargaining tool honestly. Ptera's current design makes it really really easy food the moment it touches ground
reef sapphire
Having a Ptra carebear you to a decent size kinda defeats the point of the isle though.
dusky surge
utahs are one of the ptera's biggest predators atm, they will climb your perches, jump over rivers and track you for ages
dim radish
I mean, I haven't really witnessed a ptra killing problem. The only thing Ive wi...
That is true, however I find a lot of hostility personally when landing. Even when there is food around
Everything is trying to kill everything at the moment
dusky surge
the moment you fuck up at any moment against a hungry utah stalking you, you are dead
dim radish
Hence why you see juvie Utahs biting adult deinos
reef sapphire
I dont join discords that much anymore so I just play on a lot of random servers, but Ive consistently lived a peaceful like playing ptra. I guess it veries.
dusky surge
idk, ptera seems like a more peaceful creature tbh
dim radish
the moment you fuck up at any moment against a hungry utah stalking you, you are...
This is why I don't trust food laying in the open, because I just know there is an utah sitting in a bush, waiting for me to land
dusky surge
it doesn't like picking fights so it just flies around, takes fish, scavenges leftover meat scraps from corpses and moves on
reef sapphire
Ive gotten bold/confident enough to remain relaxed near other predators that aren't dieno, and herbivores.
dim radish
idk, ptera seems like a more peaceful creature tbh
They are.
Unless they are really desperate or bored
dusky surge
i like their design, rather than going "all carnivores are killers" route, ptera juxtaposes this by being quite non-confrontational
dim radish
They just fly around and wait for corpses to fall for them to eat. This is why so many like to stick with herbivores, because they won't eat the bodies once their attacker dropped dead
dusky surge
i kinda really like the scavenger playstyle, and often tend to lean to scavenger while playing utah
it's why im excited for creatures like troodons, who are quite weak on their own but love to either steal food from a corpse or attack something and watch as it slowly dies
wraith spindle
I just feel bad for ending peoples runs
thats why I like ptera and herbivores
and when I play carnivore I just walk around eating already dead things or fish as much as a can and feed every rando I find
dim crown
This game needs some rly crazy TopGuns.
We need Maverick&Goose
#DeathComesFromTheSkies
fading pagoda
I am soooooo excited for the troodon playstyle, i really like the idea of a pack of utahs eating a corpse, then mimicing a carno roar nearby to scare them off so my pack can have it
i am very intruiged how the call mimicing is gonna happen
(also it's my favorite dinosuar so yes i am very unbiased and not at all geeking out for this)
dusky surge
i just want to be a hallucinogenic, food-stealing, voice-stealing tiny bastard
i'll probably drop utah once it comes out because its kit seems so stupid fun
dusky surge
utah is meant for packs but troodon seems to be Utah but with even more pack focus
fading pagoda
and when i'm in a pack i feel as though i am dead weight because im bad at spacing anything that isnt pounce
dusky surge
i REALLY hope venom stacks and becomes worse with each bite because that'd be so funny
fading pagoda
utah is meant for packs but troodon seems to be Utah but with even more pack foc...
i feel a pack of troodons is different than a pack of utahs
fading pagoda
i REALLY hope venom stacks and becomes worse with each bite because that'd be so...
yes yes yes yes
a pack of troodons would stay behind the scenes and trick you
dusky surge
just a swarm of these little idiots giving a teno a fucking acid trip
fading pagoda
where as a pack of utahs would swarm with overwhelming numbers and bleed as much as possible
fading pagoda
just a swarm of these little idiots giving a teno a fucking acid trip
omg this is gonna be so fun
how fast do you think they will be?
in relation to other dinos
fading pagoda
probably 3rd fastest
dusky surge
i'd imagine they'd be one of the smallest active predators (i don't count ptera because, well, it's ptera, it isn't really a predator)
fading pagoda
at least i hope
fading pagoda
i'd imagine they'd be one of the smallest active predators (i don't count ptera ...
agreed
dusky surge
probably a jump, decent mid-high speed, high turning ability and lots of stealth potential.
fading pagoda
if it is faster than utah there is no way i will play anything else until any other creatures come out
i hope its faster than teno
thats all im asking for
dusky surge
i think it will likely be slower than utah, as it would spec (imo) entirely into stealth and trickery
fading pagoda
i think it will likely be slower than utah, as it would spec (imo) entirely into...
true
dusky surge
it would lure players towards it or attack from the bushes
fading pagoda
i hope its the 3rd fastest
behind utah but before dryo
might be behind dryo
i could live with it being behind dryo
i just hope that it can outpace teno
dusky surge
think about the fact that it will more than likely have nocturnal abilities
i think the idea is that the troodon is the utah to dilo's carno
fading pagoda
hmmmm
dusky surge
utahs and carnos would be prime threats during day, but when night comes, troodons and dilos emerge
fading pagoda
the reason i want it to outspeed teno is because i want something that can kill those things without running headfirst into it
if they are faster, that way your pack can all get their bites in and not lose the target in the process
and once everyone has inflicted their venom (if it stacks) they can just kinda chase it until it drops
it would be very annoying if everyone got their bites in, then just lose the teno because they cant keep up with it
dusky surge
i mean
ripe zinc
there is no way a troodon can mimic a carno. it would just be physically impossible for the tiny troodon to match the sheer volume of the carno's mighty roar.
dusky surge
depends what venom does
dim crown
fading pagoda
depends what venom does
if it doesnt stack then disreguard everything i said
fading pagoda
there is no way a troodon can mimic a carno. it would just be physically impossi...
there will probably be small differences that people can pick up on
dim crown
@wraith spindle You just talking about land fight? Deino on Deino.
fading pagoda
like maybe it's not as loud or there might be a very slight pitch change that people can pick up on
dusky surge
This feature is dripping with stomach turning, damage dealing, mind-altering nastiness
It seems to me that venom will inflict several levels of issues
and knowing venom, sprinting is a bad idea
as it works the poison through your veins
fading pagoda
and knowing venom, sprinting is a bad idea
yeah you are right
fading pagoda
ok i'm convinced
dusky surge
venom, to me, seems like a specific form of bleeding and would likely be very similar, except it's specific to only few dinos
fading pagoda
i just want troodon to be moderatly fast
it would be nice if it outsped teno, but not a requirment in my opinion
fading pagoda
venom, to me, seems like a specific form of bleeding and would likely be very si...
and you can't wallow to get rid of it
dusky surge
that too
venom is something you would quite literally have to wait out
and i can see why not many dinos have it
i'd imagine troodon having a very low base-damage
fading pagoda
yeah but if venom stacks with pack tactics then its gonna be a major threat
dusky surge
yea
fading pagoda
if venom doesnt stack, it better be very potent
but it seems like it will as its clearly meant to be in a pack
dusky surge
This nimble critter, while not particularly dangerous on it's own, can become quite problematic for a wide variety of creatures when operating in a coordinated group through the use of their venomous bite. Keep your wits about you. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. This creature is known to mimic certain noises.
We can confirm from this statement alone that troodon will be agile and decently fast, rely heavily on pack tactics and venom will more than likely stack
wraith spindle
Venoms description heavily implies that it will have some sort of hallucinogenic effect.
dusky surge
oh it will
wraith spindle
I have no clue how thats gonna work tho, but it's intruiging
dusky surge
that's practically confirmed
fading pagoda
if it does have a hallucinoginic effect that blinds things then there is no reason to every play hypsi ever again
dusky surge
as for dilo, that's weirder. I'm assuming dilo will drop the pack tactics of the troodon for better poison inflict and damage, more health, amazing night vision and so on. I don't think dilo will be as fast as troodon tho, something tells me they will more than likely balance him out with a slap to his stamina/runspeed
fading pagoda
at least until it can climb and its spray gets buffed
fading pagoda
as for dilo, that's weirder. I'm assuming dilo will drop the pack tactics of the...
i never played dilo in legacy so idk what his playstyle is
what was it like?
dim crown
Legacy was pretty basic in "playstyles" besides stats, like speed,dmg&sizes a dilo would attack, like a utah or an allo.
Legacy Dilo different feature was his NV
I can link some vids.
dim crown
that and its bleed
Stats&dmg
dusky surge
id imagine that troodon and dilo will be kings of the night
fading pagoda
yeah
fading pagoda
or even hypsi
once it can climb
since the big threats that are faster than it are daytime hunters
troodon would either have NV on par with or second to dilo
dusky surge
i can't see hypsi as a nighttime creature tbh
id like dryo to be the "hyper jumpy" dino
it is the first to know if something is coming and the first to dip from that encounter
fading pagoda
i liked what you said last night about there being burrows around the map that dryos could enter and customize
fading pagoda
lol
wraith spindle
when is Dilo being added?
fading pagoda
when is Dilo being added?
not announced yet
fading pagoda
apparently every dino except troodon and pachy is on hold until they implement more mechanics
dusky surge
seeing how troodon is going to be added in the "night-terrors" update, more than likely that it's a nocturnal hunter too
fading pagoda
off topic but i think quetzal should pick up smaller dinos and drop them to their death rather than fish like ptera
fading pagoda
slightly more offensive pterasaur
dim crown
Not sligthly
fading pagoda
i want one of the super small pterasaurs similar to dimorphodon to live on the back of sauropods
dim crown
Greatly
dusky surge
and that really isn't saying much because even tho it'd be the "apex of the sky", it'd get the shit kicked out of it by a one on one with any fully grown stego or teno
fading pagoda
insectivores would be amazing
small pterasuars could eat the bugs off of bigger creatures and hang out on their backs
is there gonna be symbiotic grouping?
slim dragon
That's unlikely
fading pagoda
where certain kinds of creatures can group up with other creatures?
fading pagoda
That's unlikely
awww man
that would be sooo cool
small pterasaurs relieving large herbivores of pests, and maybe primitive birds could like clean the mouths of gators
also a really cool insectivore would be archaeopterix
slim dragon
I'm against all of this
fading pagoda
it could climb like herrera and glide and ctch bugs
fading pagoda
I'm against all of this
why ;-;
slim dragon
Relieving large herbivores of pests would imply there can be pests that you have to rely on other players to get rid of
wraith spindle
I think the quetz should have a massive stabbing peck that bleeds the snot out of people
slim dragon
Primitive birds are pretty useless if they're only there to clean the mouths of deinos
Archaeopteryx wouldn't work as a playable, it's way too small
fading pagoda
Relieving large herbivores of pests would imply there can be pests that you have...
rather than the pests actually affecting you, i feel that if the small pterasuars relieving you of it you get a buff of sorts
fading pagoda
ok
archaeopteryx is only slightly smaller than hypsi
maybe microraptor instead
as its a bit bigger and focuses on attacking more
wraith spindle
I would also want archae or micro as I've said before
wraith spindle
people keep using small size as an argument and I feel like I'm missing how its even relevant
slim dragon
Microraptor might do it, but it's still much smaller than a hypsi
fading pagoda
microraptor is about the same size as hypsi
fading pagoda
Microraptor might do it, but it's still much smaller than a hypsi
ehhhhhh
slim dragon
people keep using small size as an argument and I feel like I'm missing how its ...
That's a player you need to be less than 50 cm away to see
dusky surge
what i really want is a dodo bird. Playable. Let me play a dodo bird
fading pagoda
what i really want is a dodo bird. Playable. Let me play a dodo bird
lmao
slim dragon
That's a player you need to be less than 50 cm away to see
On a 20 square km map, that's tiny
dusky surge
let me gather an army of dodo birds
we shall devour this world
kill a trex
only dodos
slim dragon
Magys will stop you
dusky surge
nothing will stop my dodo uprising
Then, we move to H-Strain dodo
which is a dodo but 50% larger and 500% angrier
fading pagoda
this is the hypsi size
its bulkier than micro but about as long
only slightly longer and taller
wraith spindle
we want micro
fading pagoda
yeah
wraith spindle
Tree climbing epicness
slim dragon
Like there's not enough playables already...
fading pagoda
also they are adding minmi so the small argument is kinda dumb
wraith spindle
Like there's not enough playables already...
lmao well, there isnt
slim dragon
Minmi is 10x the size of hypsi
fading pagoda
i thought it was tiny
slim dragon
lmao well, there isnt
Do you know how many playables are planned for the roster ?
wraith spindle
planned is one thing
slim dragon
Confirmed burrowers are taco, proto and minmi
The ones that might be burrowers are dryo, oro, ava, megalania and velo
fading pagoda
Confirmed burrowers are taco, proto and minmi
The ones that might be burrowers a...
whats oro again? im rusty on abrieviations
slim dragon
Orodromeus
fading pagoda
ah
desert wave
people really never try to do some more unique manoeuvres in the water huh ? I got attacked twice by bigger deinos and won through diving under them, and behind them and continuing doing that while biting and survived.
fading pagoda
people really never try to do some more unique manoeuvres in the water huh ? I g...
i never see the deinos do stuff like that
thats interesting
also how come every time i spawn center as a deino i get instantly crunched by a bigger one
fading pagoda
its not even just center
whenever i spawn south or southeast i just die to another deino
desert wave
i never see the deinos do stuff like that
I mean you can move up and down in water, which makes combat more 3 dimensional, but people do deino combat in water as if they were on land
fading pagoda
im not really super interesting in deino anyways, i was just wondering why it always happened
hot take but i find deino boring
sorry
slim dragon
It is
desert wave
I don't like playing deinos either. I've played it twice and both times I got attacked by bigger deinos, which i then killed since somehow diving down while biting and making some circles is too confusing for most deino mains. But deino get's boring after an hour so I always kill myself
icy valve
Stego getting nerfed when? I just watched 1 stego kill 3 adult Deinos.
fading pagoda
yeah
slim dragon
Stego getting nerfed when? I just watched 1 stego kill 3 adult Deinos.
It's probably getting buffed when bigger threats are in
fading pagoda
once you get to a certain growth you are basically immortal as a deino. Only folding to stegos which you can easily avoid
silent comet
Stego getting nerfed when? I just watched 1 stego kill 3 adult Deinos.
One Deino can easily kill a Stego
fading pagoda
One Deino can easily kill a Stego
and that
dim crown
Deino not boring plz, just the way of playing it badly, is boring.
fading pagoda
Deino not boring plz, just the way of playing it badly, is boring.
dont start
im going to ignore you
if you start
all you can do as a deino is sit and grow
and wait for something to drink
then you just instantly bite it and it dies almost 100% of the time
no thrill
no action
imo
i do wish that smaller creatures like hypsi and ptera can team up with larger herbis and hang out on their backs
it would be super fun
dim crown
I don't like playing deinos either. I've played it twice and both times I got at...
Deino has a different style of playing it, it might not be for everyone. But gotta love good underwater fighting, its fun.
fading pagoda
I feed randoms with fish I find
its kinda sad when an apex predator is relegated to this when a ptera can do it better honestly
fading pagoda
this has been sad moments with jonarn
silent comet
Deino has a different style of playing it, it might not be for everyone. But got...
Then it means that the gameplay has to be boring where you have to get cannibalistic and fight ur own species to make it fun to play
fading pagoda
Then it means that the gameplay has to be boring where you have to get cannibali...
exactly
fading pagoda
guys we had this exact argument over hypsi
dim crown
And cannibals are not yet ingame.
fading pagoda
we should quite while we are ahead @silent comet
he is a brick wall with the brain size of a stegosaurus
wraith spindle
I desperately want Beipi
wraith spindle
I think its cool to be under water but I also want to make friends with people
wraith spindle
and not have to be afk for 5 hours to FINALLY be allowed to even play the game
fading pagoda
that way all the pterasaurs can fish on the ocean like they were EVOLVED TO and mososaurus can be playable
wraith spindle
i want an ocean biome
dude yes!
fading pagoda
and it would be awesome for spino
dim crown
i want an ocean biome
Good balance-feedback?
wraith spindle
oopsie
fading pagoda
ocean reef biome, with amanytes, mososaurs, plesiosaurs dolychoeencops
oops u right
wraith spindle
let go general
dim crown
Then it means that the gameplay has to be boring where you have to get cannibali...
Boring is playing Deino like Deinos shouldnt be played, playing as a deino, is fun, cannibals dont exist, ingame, yet, survive is the only objective.
silent comet
Boring is playing Deino like Deinos shouldnt be played, playing as a deino, is f...
There's no certain playstyle, Deino has advantage to play as a ambush predator yet it doesn't force it to do that. There's no cannibal mechanic in the game but there are players that cannibalise.
dim crown
I understand the cannibal reference, but in the "Jungle Law" that doesnt exist, Lions kill Lions for prey/territory or any form of competition.
But yes, Deino has a certain way to play, with its features.
silent comet
I understand the cannibal reference, but in the "Jungle Law" that doesnt exist, ...
Well, luckily we are humans and no animals and we don't kill each others for competition. In a game like this, it can be a rude behaviour to some people if they spend 4 hours to grow their Deino and get killed by a full grown and have no chance in defending themselves. On the other side I understand the cannibalism and I see it as a important part of the game, it adds more ways to play and makes you choose if you want to be a villain or no and for me cannibalism is kinda needed to balance overpopulated dinos like Carno or Deino.
dim crown
We will kill for competition, in a near future, lets start getting rdy for it
Overpopulations issues, like Deino&Carno issue you talking about have their days counted.
Theres an even greater issue in these latest versions.
80%-90% of servers population are mainly "stuck" on 3 or 4 locations, by their choice, that even raises issues, to the servers also, just not the game, like more LAG more DSYNC.
lament cloak
@willow sapphire first of all, teno is literally supposed to fight anything in its own weight class and below. carno is most certainly in its own weight class and carno isnt even meant to fight things like teno. after all it is a small game hunter. second of all if you make it so things cant survive if they are in a herd then those herds will never form, you have to be able to survive on your own. third of all, upvoting your own suggestion 
hollow canyon
@wraith spindleAs for your complaint about Deino - it's the same for Carno(and to a certain extent Stego but these guys rarely fight one another). These animals just rely on getting the first hit in when fighting their own species. Utah(and possibly Ptera) is the only carnivore that isn't entirely reliant on getting the first hit off in a fight against its own species. Both Carno and Deino are not maneuverable enough to where skill would be a large factor in determining the victor. It's all down to who bit first and who has less locked health.
wraith spindle
they should 100% rework it tho, I want skill to affect it at least a bit
hallow spire
It’s funny seeing how ppl were saying nerf tenonto😂
fading pagoda
It’s funny seeing how ppl were saying nerf tenonto😂
yeah i dont understand it
hallow spire
Like a tenonto should definitely be able to kill a carno hell a carno shouldn’t even be hunting a tenonto in the first place unless there’s 2 of them or more but they’ll still definitely get beat up for going after something that’s nearly there size
fading pagoda
yeah
anything thats takes the same amount or longer than you to grow you should not be actively hunting unless u have a large pack
hallow spire
Yea
Carno should stick to hunting smaller things that’s why I think one day carno is gonna get a nerf somehow for it to be better suited to hunt smaller things and discourage it to try to hunt things like stego or deino unless it’s in a big pack
fading pagoda
yeah
i agree completely
troodon is gonna help put carno in its place
As a lot of the carno bandwagoners are gonna play troodon instead because its a new offensive carnivore
it will also help because it is described as very nimble and only has to get a single bite off to set the poison in
its even worse in packs
hallow spire
#troodongang✊
fading pagoda
zenith vessel
Carno should stick to hunting smaller things that’s why I think one day carno is...
Nah they wont nerf it because stuff like allo will be much bigger and better competition and carno hunted small sauropods so studies show, so it wouldn't make sense to nerf it
hollow canyon
Carno should absolutely be hunting Tenonto. I don't see a single reason why it should be unable to do that.
slim dragon
Carno hunted small sauropods now ?
It should have been tiny ones
hollow canyon
Not really, Carno was actually more so suited to hunting animals larger than itself irl. It didn't just focus on small game to our current understanding.
Not that it matters since it's a game but
fading pagoda
Carno should absolutely be hunting Tenonto. I don't see a single reason why it s...
its designed to be a small game hunter
tenonto is not small game
even if its not historically accurate, thats how it is designed in the game
zenith vessel
Not really, Carno was actually more so suited to hunting animals larger than its...
It was more suitable for hunting small sauropods because they couldnt outrun or outturn them
hollow canyon
What?