balance-feedback-discussion

[grave veldt]

juvi balance for which dino

ptera?

[stray heart]

i still think the map needs rework in general

[alpine plover]

utah and carno

[grave veldt]

or just juvis in general

oh utah n carno

[stray heart]

its so shit rn

[grave veldt]

they got a rly decent level editor/designer dev now

so i have high hopes

[stray heart]

@grave veldt thats facts

[vagrant mural]

Map is pretty good

[grave veldt]

ngl ngl

[stray heart]

yeah i think he will do good

[grave veldt]

its pretty shit rn

[stray heart]

map is meh

too much plains too much jungle

[grave veldt]

its not terrible its better then b4

[stray heart]

nothing intresting abt it

[grave veldt]

but its just eh

[stray heart]

swamp is really well made tho

[lament cloak]

the map is bad. it only feels good because the update 2 map was terrible

[grave veldt]

swamp is nice indeed

[stray heart]

@lament cloak yeah true

[grave veldt]

everything just feels the same tho

like everything is just green and

green

[crystal wharf]

map is better than all of the other isle maps

[grave veldt]

and then some rocks

[crystal wharf]

especially v3

[stray heart]

v3 yes

but its still ass for what it is

[grave veldt]

was thenyaw good?

[stray heart]

yeah lol

[grave veldt]

i barley played thenyaw

[stray heart]

i liked it

[vagrant mural]

Region 2

[lament cloak]

v3 would be a decent map if everyone wasn't in one of the few hotspots

[crystal wharf]

was the worst

[grave veldt]

bro that snowy map was so epic

idk it doesnt fit but

still

[crystal wharf]

region 2 was tiny, and completely useless

[stray heart]

thats what they gotta add man. like redwood forests deserts and shit

[vagrant mural]

You are wrong

[crystal wharf]

there was 1 spot where everybody was

[vagrant mural]

Redwoods are soon tm

[lament cloak]

region 2 is the size of the current section of spiro

[grave veldt]

honestly id be up for snowy mountain tops that r high in the air

[vagrant mural]

The isle

[grave veldt]

not like snowy biomes or anything but the tops of high mountains having snow

[stray heart]

the new map is so bad people dont even move their asses

[crystal wharf]

cant wait till spawn lake is a thing again, just full of deinos

[stray heart]

just camp center and shit

[crystal wharf]

the move more than they ever did before

[grave veldt]

ima say it now

[stray heart]

what lol

[grave veldt]

being deino and in the water is cool but hella boring

[stray heart]

yeah

[grave veldt]

i like the playstyle

but the map just makes it bad

everything is just mud or ground textures

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf people sit in center and NE as pteras, and maybe swamp.

thats it

[grave veldt]

every river is the same color

their skinny as hell

way too shallow

[stray heart]

swamp is cool to explore as deino but thats it

[crystal wharf]

and before
twins
???
???
???
???
???
???
4 people at docks

[grave veldt]

jace's work is rly good tho so i do have high hopes

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf way more areas to be at lol

[grave veldt]

nothing will be perfect but hopefully it gets a lot better

[stray heart]

i found activity at more places than in spiro

[crystal wharf]

there really wasnt

[stray heart]

there was on asura

[grave veldt]

i saw quite a few ppl around the map more often on v3

[stray heart]

herds moving around, same with carnis

[crystal wharf]

okay, who cares?

[stray heart]

yeah @grave veldt

@crystal wharf is anyone supposed to care?

we just talking

[crystal wharf]

seemingly not

i was just asking where all the people were on v3, they are all at twins

[grave veldt]

usually saw ppl at hot springs, hidden, murkey, twins, GF

[crystal wharf]

sure on like, 3 servers they may be elsewhere

[stray heart]

there was a lot of people just around

@grave veldt yeah there

that big ass lake

that dome thing

[grave veldt]

oh

titan lake

[stray heart]

there was way more poeple

yeah

titan

[grave veldt]

i just want the map to be better and have cool locations all around so ppl dont grp up at on specific spot

[crystal wharf]

on spiro there is, loads of people around the massive center area, around by pocket, and a lot of people in the entire south east section, you can also find people commonly around the shallow river

[alpine plover]

with diets v3 would be godlike

[stray heart]

@grave veldt thats what i'm saying

[lament cloak]

diets will help this

[alpine plover]

that shit sucks

[crystal wharf]

how?

[alpine plover]

I want qeoqle to use the maq

[grave veldt]

true if they do it right

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf thats it, and rarely in the shallows

the map is okay for now

but it cannot stay this way

[crystal wharf]

how does having people around most of the map become a bad thing

[alpine plover]

shallows are used to avoid deino

[stray heart]

@alpine plover i know?

[alpine plover]

because its just hotsqots

it sucks

[lament cloak]

yeah, if everyone wasn't at the same few hotspots v3 would be by far the best map we have gotten

[grave veldt]

that whole shallow river area is an issue

[alpine plover]

Ok? I cant read your mind

[grave veldt]

its way too safe for land dinos and way too unsafe for deinos

[crystal wharf]

the entire map is either part of 3 massive hotspots, or entirely dead

[stray heart]

thats the point

[grave veldt]

i dont mind a shallow river

but its way too long

[alpine plover]

wdym

[stray heart]

i think a couple of ponds need to be scattered around. small ones.

[grave veldt]

also it doesnt help that deino HAS to use that shallow river to get to center and swamp back n forth

[crystal wharf]

the center river is a giant hotspot, pocket area is a giant hotspot, and the swamp river is a giant hotspot, the north mountains are a deadzone, anywhere west of center is a dead zone, the plains are a dead zone

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf yeah thats true

[alpine plover]

it sucks

I hate hotsqots

sqiro is just V3 but more bland

[crystal wharf]

hotspots were worse on v3, but thats because of how stupidly large the map was, and how dumb the spawns were

[lament cloak]

fr, at least great falls looked cool

[alpine plover]

diets

[crystal wharf]

spiro at least isnt divided by canyons that completely stop you from travelling

[alpine plover]

v3 with diets would have saved the isle

[grave veldt]

i hope diets is an actual in depth thought out system

[alpine plover]

yea I want to miciro manage my herbie diet

[stray heart]

@crystal wharf true, i'm getting big issues, me and my friend, for some reason the map wont load

[alpine plover]

oh yeah, thats the one bad qart about v3

[grave veldt]

i want to do things other then fighting

[stray heart]

ye

explore

[alpine plover]

interactive maq

with quest

[grave veldt]

interesting idea

[stray heart]

POT kind?

[alpine plover]

nah

[grave veldt]

also it doesnt help that water runs out in like 30 mins

[alpine plover]

stuff like "scratch your horns on a tree" as carno

for a growth boost

[grave veldt]

i hope food and water values actually r adjusted depending on your dino

[stray heart]

@grave veldt ye

[lament cloak]

pick up 50 acorns with your tiny hands as a carno

[grave veldt]

no reason why stego needs to drink every 15 minutes cuz it gets to half water

stupid as hell

[stray heart]

and utah needs so much food bruh

mans tiny

[alpine plover]

you mean carno

[stray heart]

and utah

same with carno

but carno is big

[grave veldt]

oh yea carno needs hella food

[alpine plover]

it should

its theorized that carno irl had to eat a shit ton

makes sense balance wise to

[grave veldt]

irl shouldnt equal the isle

[stray heart]

yeah

[alpine plover]

just saying its likely it was like that irl

so its a bonus

[grave veldt]

ig

[stray heart]

a lot of realism is bad for games sometimes

[grave veldt]

id be fine with carnos hunger

[alpine plover]

but my main qoint is that its cool for balance to

[grave veldt]

if there was actual ai

[stray heart]

lmao ye

[grave veldt]

the issue with ai is that on average theres 160-190 AI

[stray heart]

ai is so fucking bad

[grave veldt]

but like 150 of that is fish

[stray heart]

worse than legacy ai

[grave veldt]

so at max u have 30-50 dryo ai on the whole server

[stray heart]

dryo all glitchy and shit

[modest carbon]

There's so much fish

[grave veldt]

theres so much fish but no dryo AI

makes no sense

also fish

they need to be spread out more

why did 7 elite fish spawn in a small river fall by swamp?

[alpine plover]

There should be way more Ai, but it should be hell to catch

[grave veldt]

why couldnt those spawn nodes be placed everywhere else

[stray heart]

the game needs work in general man

[alpine plover]

like dyro AI should be like a roach

should hunt young carnivores

[stray heart]

what

[alpine plover]

what?

[stray heart]

its a herbi

[grave veldt]

actually no better idea

[alpine plover]

and?

[grave veldt]

have it have specific personalties

[alpine plover]

Herbies IRL kill carnis

[grave veldt]

some might run some might fight

[stray heart]

@alpine plover Carni ai should hunt lol

[alpine plover]

why cant herbie AI?

[stray heart]

@alpine plover the point of ai is to help you gorw. especially dryo ai

[alpine plover]

IRL herbies kill young carnivores if they can

[alpine plover]

its not

its meant to make the game feel alive

not feed you

[stray heart]

well it doesn't. because its shit.

[alpine plover]

and?

It likely still wont be made to feed you even if it was good

[stray heart]

it should fucking hunt baby dinos. its a dryo. it has no reason to kill you.

[alpine plover]

and dyro AI vs a young carno would be even match

[alpine plover]

it does

[stray heart]

it doesnt

[alpine plover]

a dead juvie carno = less adult carnos

herbies do this irl

[stray heart]

this is a game man.

[alpine plover]

and?

[stray heart]

not 65 million BC

[alpine plover]

If you die from a dyro you need to get good

like just bite it

[vagrant mural]

Hunting juvis as Dryo is insanely fun

[grave veldt]

again just give dryos personalities that shape what they do

[vagrant mural]

Outspends everything but carno, outstams everything, insane agility

[stray heart]

@alpine plover theres no need for dryo to kill. it should run away. smaller carnis should kill.

like small raptors

ovi

[vagrant mural]

I will kill you

[alpine plover]

so you want food AI?

[vagrant mural]

And kill you

[alpine plover]

Fucking small raqtors?

[grave veldt]

im glad dryos attack smaller carnis

[alpine plover]

Those are like 50 kg

[vagrant mural]

And kill you until you understand you need to run the fuck away from dryos

[stray heart]

@alpine plover like legacy? yeah.

[alpine plover]

or 20

dyro is 120

[stray heart]

so?

so?

[alpine plover]

Oh you want food AI?

[stray heart]

like legacy, yeah

[alpine plover]

I guess that makes sense considering you dont want growing to take skill

[stray heart]

i think it helps people in general

[vagrant mural]

His free food was taken away guys

[grave veldt]

lets not have legacy's AI

[vagrant mural]

What shall he do

[grave veldt]

legacy AI system was grabage

[stray heart]

i don't want legacy ai

[grave veldt]

pls no

[stray heart]

yeah

[alpine plover]

"I cant free grow carnivores anymore, scam game"

[vagrant mural]

_ _

[alpine plover]

ovi is 35 kg

it aint hunting dyro

dyro is a beast

[stray heart]

i am talking about the reason it exists in legacy

[vagrant mural]

Ovi will get like 2 shot

[alpine plover]

and its shit

[vagrant mural]

Weak ass parrot

[alpine plover]

AI shouldnt exist to be food

[stray heart]

i'm talking about small Ai carnis to hunt small players

i dont see a reason for dryo to do it

[grave veldt]

AI shouldn't be food it should be actual additions to the game to make it more interesting

[stray heart]

its stupid

[vagrant mural]

Utah is getting ai anyway

[alpine plover]

cause it can

and it makes the game more fun

[vagrant mural]

Just let Dryo do it’s thing

[stray heart]

@grave veldt yeah, it also shouldnt attack if its a herbi

@alpine plover not really.

[alpine plover]

that doesnt make sense

[vagrant mural]

If a Dryo sees something that could kill it in the future that it could easily kill now

[grave veldt]

a dryo not attacking a smaller herbi i understand

i can agree with that

[alpine plover]

Amarok is working on two tyqes of AI, qlayer like and animal like

both tyqes of AI have good reasons for hunting young carnivores

so your argument doesnt make sense

[vagrant mural]

Do you think it’s going to let it run away scot free and grow?

[alpine plover]

he does

[stray heart]

@vagrant mural as a dryo i would assume? not as a utah raptor ai or anyother gressive ai

@alpine plover i don't.

[alpine plover]

why cant dyro be aggressive

[stray heart]

why can it not be aggresive

[vagrant mural]

Yeah, it would 100% kill any dumb juvie carno that showed its face

[alpine plover]

Cause it doesnt make sense

and makes the game too easy

[vagrant mural]

It can be not aggressive against herbis and larger carnis

[stray heart]

@alpine plover its not made to make sense man. its an ai

[grave veldt]

just make the AI have personalities

[alpine plover]

Exqlain why amarok is working his ass off to make the AI good then

[stray heart]

@grave veldt yeah lets also make AI self consious while we are at it

[vagrant mural]

Just gift the computer sentience

[grave veldt]

[stray heart]

@alpine plover Mate he's making good ai because they fucking said the AI would be good lol

[grave veldt]

i saw a dryo crouch twice and then attack me

[stray heart]

i just hope its good

[grave veldt]

the ai is evolving

[alpine plover]

and?

[stray heart]

what

[alpine plover]

How is that relevant

[vagrant mural]

You sure it wasn’t a player

[stray heart]

you asked?

[grave veldt]

yup

[alpine plover]

Asked what

[stray heart]

this

[vagrant mural]

Chad ai

[alpine plover]

what?

[grave veldt]

all ai dryos keep their head sideways for sum reason

its how u can tell

[stray heart]

amarok is working on AI because the game needs to have a couple of AI, and because it has been promised

[alpine plover]

So why cant it attack young carnivores?

It makes sense

[vagrant mural]

It adds challenge

[stray heart]

Jesus.

[alpine plover]

what

Dyro AI has no reason to not attack small carnis

[stray heart]

i really don't see the point of a dryo ai attacking a player. there will already be more agressive ai. no need for dryo to do so

[alpine plover]

cause its a dyro

its bigger then you

and knows you will hunt it in the future

so it kills you

simqle

[stray heart]

Whatever

[alpine plover]

whatever what

[stray heart]

its not like ai will be added anytime soon

[alpine plover]

its in game

[stray heart]

oh sorry *good Dino AI

[vagrant mural]

Why restrict it when other shit was gonna do it anyway

[alpine plover]

thats subjective

[stray heart]

@vagrant mural I just don't really see the point honestly. theres no need to.

@alpine plover ok

[vagrant mural]

There’s no need not to

It just allows something to kill other things and make the game a bit harder

[stray heart]

and theres no need to do so. it kinda goes both way IMO

[vagrant mural]

Nothing more to it

[stray heart]

whatever

[inland lagoon]

There just should be other source of food or smaller juvs. Frogs, lizards, mice. Dryo should be optimal prey fir subs.

[stray heart]

^

is it confirmed that dryo will kill?

[vagrant mural]

Idk, it did at one point, and now it doesn’t

[stray heart]

Good

[alpine plover]

its likely to come back

[stray heart]

k

*ok

[inland lagoon]

People will kill everything if they could, they would try to have similar behavior as apex predators

[stray heart]

what r u trying to say

[vagrant mural]

Stegos already are 4 hour grows

[dapper frost]

steg is 5

[vagrant mural]

Hmmmm

[gaunt jackal]

@silent harness thats the thing with apexes is that they are shit until they are big

or anything for that matter

[wraith spindle]

I wouldn't mind long grow times if the devs remotely tried balancing gameplay for juvies

as of now its just several hours of waiting to play the game as intended.

[vagrant mural]

The problem isn’t balancing juvis, it’s just the stuff he suggested was dumb

[wraith spindle]

who?

[vagrant mural]

The guy you replied to in balance feedback

[silent harness]

me?

[vagrant mural]

Na not you

[wraith spindle]

well in that case, no it wasn't dumb. He gave plenty of suggestions that would be pretty non-intrusive and not change the way the game plays a lot at all

[grave veldt]

camo for juvis?

pretty intrusive

plus everything will have camo anyways

[wraith spindle]

wasn't his only suggenstion now was it?

[vagrant mural]

Giving juvis other advantages outside of those things are better for balance, instead of just raw stat changes, juvis getting a free speed boost or camo is dumb and removes part of the risk of playing them, shit like juvi utahs climbing better than adults is much better imo

[grave veldt]

better machanics for juvis would be better

not just speed buff haha

[vagrant mural]

Some juvis will need some raw changes, like juvi carno being more agile than adults, but overall giving them keen advantages over the adults, but it should be avoided for the most part

[wraith spindle]

as I understand it, what he meant by camo was that Deinos, for example, shouldn't do the water ripple effect if they're in a bush. sounds cool to me

very subtle but very helpful

[vagrant mural]

Hiding in a bush hides the ripples yeah

[dapper frost]

idk how a bush would stop the effects of ripples, and imo thats moreso an issue with ripples themselves, they should only trigger on like the surface of the water

[wraith spindle]

agreed

smort

[grave veldt]

this

[vagrant mural]

Very true

[wraith spindle]

I think letting juvie Deinos see the ripples from further away is a pretty non-intrusive way to help them hide in time

[silent harness]

im just getting sick and tired of having to deal with sitting in a bush for like 4 hours playing it safe then a pack of carnos or a deino spots me and its just over, there's no manuevering there's no running there's only stand your ground and hope to god you can kill them before they kill you! usually there's more of them and they have put in collectivly less time than you... its just 4 hours b urned and makes me never want to ply steg or herb again and just add to the already over inflated carno numbers

[vagrant mural]

I’d say just give them better land mobility

[wraith spindle]

but that would be just a stat boost though

[sinful cove]

you really cant give stego or teno juvies more mobility without it looking bad

[vagrant mural]

Yeah, but I mentioned some may need that boost like with juvi carno

And I feel like increased water sense could be abused personally

[ripe zinc]

@wraith spindle juvies aren't supposed to be balanced against adults, what are you on about? Just hide and sneak around if you don't have adults to protect you

[silent harness]

even making it so eating vegetation slightly restores thirst or grazing greatly slows the thirst decline rate just something where herbs especially juvies dont have to expose themselves as much by a river, especially with the deinos able to just carry most of them off with almost no warning.

[sinful cove]

i feel that many of these issues will be solved when the map is bigger, we have like a fourth of the map unlocked rn

when it is bigger deinos won't be as common as well as running into packs

[slim dragon]

And 75% of that quarter of the map is unused
What will really change things will be more hotspots

[frosty heron]

The map will evolve for good now that we have Jace working on it

[slim dragon]

yes
All hail the mapper

[frosty heron]

[lament cloak]

the problem with deino juvis isnt the deino juvs themselves, its that they have nowhere to hide. its a problem with the map

[ripe zinc]

it's a problem with the players

[lament cloak]

if you make deino juvis outswim adult deinos then all of a sudden the death rate for deino juvis goes from 90%+ to 10% and now you have 50 more deinos which is not good

[silver barn]

Is that to hard to understand

[lament cloak]

its not hard to understand what you said, its hard to understand why. you have to give reasoning not just haha do this

[slim dragon]

Isn't being unable to run when thirsty just a terrible idea ?

[dim radish]

It's a terrible idea

As if anything that is not an adult stego gets destroyed by a deino ambush from water.
Not being able to run means not being able to dodge so... eurgh no

[silver barn]

Ok what about 10% under water

[dim radish]

No

This would make more people die of thirst because they would also get no where by not being able to run

[silent harness]

why are you suggesting this? is there a reasson?

[stray heart]

@wraith spindle i wasn't talking about balance, just diff abilities to make juvs a little better at growing

or safer to grow

or i guess the map could have little areas that only juvs can fit trhought

that would be cool

but if the jungles stay dense it shouldn't be a big problem

[alpine sleet]

So i hear some people are taking about if babas able to defend themselves or not Making Hatchlings and Juvis not be able to defend it's self is correct... But you don't see a toddler get yeeted out into the wilderness and expect it survive on it's own. They should at least have unique attributes that the adults don't have, that would help them survive. Such as baba Komodo Dragons are able to climb trees, and juvi sauropods could run on their hind legs for very short bursts. So being able to hide from bigger predators or cannibals is easier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42dog8oF4M

[sinful cove]

Friendly fire reduction is already in (even though it shouldn't be)

[alpine sleet]

noice

[modest carbon]

I agree with the idea of juvis having special skills that they grow out of

in exchange for adult special skills

[alpine sleet]

don't credit me, the credit goes to the Scavona The Carnotaurus

[wheat field]

Down with the Friendly Fire Reduction Rebellion

[stray heart]

@alpine sleet BRUH thats what i saw saying man

[modest carbon]

me too

[brittle dirge]

I would say its both a map issue and the fact that juvie Deino's suffer from the "legacy giga" problem. even if the map is improved to where juvie Deino's have more hiding places if they get caught by an older Deino that wants to cannibalize there is nothing the younger Deino can do other than just die. which isn't fun gameplay wise its why I made my suggestion of making them more nimble

[alpine sleet]

wdym?

[alpine plover]

@wraith spindle #balance-feedback message

That is already in game

[stray heart]

@alpine sleet there was this dum dum earlier that coudln't grasp a simple concept like u said

[alpine plover]

Stats change as your growth changes

[stray heart]

thats what i was trying to say

[alpine sleet]

for real lol

[lament cloak]

at least legacy gigas could hide

[stray heart]

i think juvs should have little abilitites

[alpine plover]

You gotta get good at the game and learn to hide form bigger and faster things

[stray heart]

@alpine sleet yeah he was real stupid

[modest carbon]

well, the rivers are so bare there is little area to hide

[stray heart]

@alpine plover damn what if i'm slow?

[alpine sleet]

wait is the link to it?

[alpine plover]

You may be slow but you are small enough to literally hide anywhere

You may be slow but can outmaneuver bug things

[brittle dirge]

yeah, that was kind of the only way to grow a juvie which is why afk growing was so prominent

[modest carbon]

juvi deinos stam regen is redingdonkulously slow tho

[alpine sleet]

that would be viable but, by lowering ur graphics in settings, u can see people hiding in bushes much easier. (if that is what u ment)

[stray heart]

@alpine plover i guess, but spesific deinos can't hide

[alpine plover]

They can

[stray heart]

for example baby deinos should be faster and have more stam

than big deinos

on land and water

[grave veldt]

no

[modest carbon]

big deinos should be faster in water

[grave veldt]

then it makes them impossible to be killed by any bigger deino

[alpine sleet]

Wait is this the person who was a dum dum?

[stray heart]

nah

[grave veldt]

yes\

u cant have both

[stray heart]

@grave veldt stops cannibalism

[alpine sleet]

hm

[stray heart]

i guess land then

[grave veldt]

i personally feel instead up juvis stam a lot when out of water

[stray heart]

yeah land would be good

yeah

that

[modest carbon]

yeah

[grave veldt]

dont increase speed just increase stam a lot

their so little and weigh nothing

they should be much more agile

[alpine plover]

Why would a baby deino or a baby carno be faster than the adult. That literally makes NO sense at all

[alpine sleet]

yee lol

[stray heart]

what

@alpine plover we talking about stam

[alpine sleet]

uhhh yes

[stray heart]

like more stam to the baba on land

[alpine sleet]

oh wait lol

[alpine plover]

You said faster.

[stray heart]

@alpine plover yeah i changed my mind with @grave veldt

[alpine plover]

You don’t need more stam

[stray heart]

as a baby yeah

[alpine plover]

No you don’t

[stray heart]

to run away from canibbals

huh

[alpine sleet]

no, give the babas ways to excape like unique attributs that the adults don't have

[stray heart]

@alpine sleet yeah that would be nice

theres lots of things possible, but i think a simple thing to do would be for babies to have more stam

[alpine plover]

You just gotta be smart enough to find a place to hide. All you need is to outmaneuver the big things that are chasing you by using the terrain around you.

[stray heart]

What lol

i dont think you can outmaneuver a big deino as a baby

[silent harness]

then they stop smell where u went and kill you there

[alpine plover]

Baby deinos can sense things that are under water. If you are dying to an adult Deino it’s because you’re not playing it right

[stray heart]

@alpine plover so can big deinos?

[alpine plover]

and?

[stray heart]

it means that you dont have an advantage

they know u are therew

[alpine plover]

If you are sensing a big fucker coming down your way METER away from you… why are you still on the fucking water LMAO

Get out of the water, find a bush, hide.

[stray heart]

@alpine plover because he can catch me on land lol

he can sense me moving m8

[alpine plover]

No. You’re not understanding the point.

[stray heart]

i am

[brittle dirge]

hiding being the only viable survival option promotes afk growing which goes the against the way the devs want people to play the game lol

[stray heart]

@brittle dirge ^^^^

ye

[alpine plover]

You can sense deinos in the water METERS away from you.

[stray heart]

so can they?????

[alpine plover]

Enough distance to have a chance to escape

[alpine plover]

And?????????????

That doesn’t mean anything

[alpine sleet]

like me

[stray heart]

Because they can sense me, come towards me faster, run faster while i'm on land, and just track me down

[alpine plover]

Hiding is literally one of the key components of this game.

[stray heart]

Not the way the devs want.

[alpine sleet]

Got an idea

[alpine plover]

Hiding is one of the key components of this game, period.

[stray heart]

lol

[alpine sleet]

why not give baba deinos just a little more stam on land to escape the water, where cannibals are.

[stray heart]

Thats what i'm saying

i dont see how its not beneficial

[brittle dirge]

not saying hiding should be taken away period but it shouldn't be a creatures only option of survival. especially something that takes 5 hours to grow

[alpine plover]

If the devs did not intend hiding then why would they create jungles with bushes the size of Buses? If they didn’t intend hiding then why create burrowing? If they didn’t intend hiding why create caves? Wallowing? Swimming? Climbing?

[alpine sleet]

true

[alpine plover]

Cause you don’t need more stam

What baby deinos do need is a faster turning rate

[stray heart]

devs don't want afk growing. Theres a difference between hiding and sitting 5 hours growing

[alpine sleet]

but only on land

so the adults can't catch up

[stray heart]

@alpine plover how is it not beneficial

[alpine plover]

Who’s saying it’s not beneficial? I’m saying it’s not needed.

[stray heart]

But if it is beneficial, it servers its purpose

[alpine plover]

You don’t NEED more stam. Give juvies more stam and you are making growth extremely easy.

Growth is supposed to be hard

[alpine sleet]

i wonder who will win the argument *coughs I mean discussion

[alpine plover]

Right now growing a Deinosuchus is a laughably easy task.

[stray heart]

you know what, i'm starting to think @alpine plover is a full adult deino that likes to feast on children of his species

Not really

[alpine sleet]

not sure about that when almost all adult deinos are giga/rex mains

[stray heart]

what servers r u playing on bruh

[alpine plover]

I am indeed a cannibal. As a carnivore I ALWAYS cannibalize

[alpine sleet]

AH

[stray heart]

Oof

told yah

[alpine sleet]

[alpine plover]

Which is 1. Needed and 2. Very fun

[alpine sleet]

nah bro

[stray heart]

nah

its plaguing the game

[alpine plover]

You know what’s plaguing the game? Newbie Deinos that don’t know how to play and come here and suggest changed that are not needed, like making babies faster and with more stam

Lmfao

[stray heart]

@alpine plover pretty sure these new players are curing the game

also i'm not a new player.

[grave veldt]

honestly whats rly plauging the game is how deinos have 0 options to survive a bigger one

[stray heart]

ive been here 2 years

lol

[alpine sleet]

YES

[stray heart]

@grave veldt thats what i'm suggesting

JEUS

JESUS

[alpine plover]

You do.

[alpine sleet]

what?

[alpine plover]

You do have several options

[grave veldt]

yes im sure u do

[alpine sleet]

swim, when they are faster then u

[grave veldt]

rivers r just massive with tons of foliage to hide in

[stray heart]

only in swamp lol

[alpine sleet]

foliage could help

[grave veldt]

foliage could help a lot

like logs n stuff

[alpine sleet]

🍃

[stray heart]

it does but most rivers are empty

[grave veldt]

then u can actually hide

[stray heart]

@alpine plover maybe there can be logs at the bottom of rivers where baby deinos can hide

[alpine plover]

Aquatic vegetation is coming

[stray heart]

*is coming

[alpine plover]

?

[alpine sleet]

no need to do dat

[stray heart]

i meant that its coming

in probably a very long time

[alpine sleet]

oof

[stray heart]

some debris at the bottom of rivers would be good to use for a hiding place

[alpine sleet]

Cannibalism is only fine when ur cerato

[stray heart]

@alpine sleet yes

[alpine sleet]

yes

[stray heart]

i think stam should either be increased, or the environment underwater favour babies

[alpine sleet]

bilbo?

i think hes gone

oh well

[stray heart]

https://tenor.com/view/хапвай-hapvai-bulgaria-monkey-jk-gif-20123619

monke

[alpine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/monki-flip-monkey-monkey-flip-gif-18319480

no dis monke

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-vs-kong-kong-king-kong-gif-20087645

actually dis monke

[stray heart]

we need kong in the isle

[alpine sleet]

YES PLS

[stray heart]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-i-love-floppa-big-floppa-is-the-best-floppa-for-life-gif-19892102

#floppagang

[alpine sleet]

catto

[stray heart]

whover likes bingus can not exist

[alpine sleet]

well my name before was, there is no reason why i exist... sooo i thonk i still don't exist

[stray heart]

damn

[alpine sleet]

no whats better than bingus and monke?

THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DlROhT8NgU

[stray heart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777174797934264320/807330763161862155/image0-9-1.gif

[alpine sleet]

lol

[stray heart]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-walker-computer-gif-18704487

[stark knoll]

why is there shitposting in here

[alpine sleet]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[stray heart]

oops

[alpine sleet]

ima go

[stray heart]

same

[stark knoll]

mhm

[stray heart]

@stark knoll nice cat

[alpine sleet]

yes indeed...

[alpine plover]

You are wrong

[alpine sleet]

it having buffs when it cannibalizes

[stray heart]

We need such or bary

Something to fight deino

[spare badger]

They said sucho will be added to the inhabitants list earlier than most other dinos

[grave veldt]

[spare badger]

So it'll be here much earlier than Allo or alberto

Apparently

[grave veldt]

raptor pounce doesnt need buff

it needs fixing

[zenith vessel]

this ^

[spare badger]

Pounce is good why does it need to be better

[grave veldt]

i get what ur saying and yea the dismount is a big issue

[spare badger]

It just needs to stop glitching and stuff

[zenith vessel]

because they can get a free hit and it can be buggy

[spare badger]

Not always

[grave veldt]

just needs to stop being buggy and the dismount needs to either be faster or something

[silent harness]

what are you hunting and are you hpouncing it alonE?

[zenith vessel]

carno not alone just pounced it and when i dismounted it hit me as soon as i got off and i couldnt run either it was like a cooldown

[spare badger]

I've seen entry of Utah's hunting and after a pounce the prey doesn't get a free hit
If it did stegos would be invincible to Utah's even more then before

[spare badger]

If you were holding shift while dismounting you'll only walk u gotta time it

It's weird

[zenith vessel]

i held it when i got off i think it was just too early which is just BS because i should be able to run right after i get off

[spare badger]

There is a very short delay/landing animation

[zenith vessel]

thats annoying

[frosty heron]

You actually have a guaranteed hit during the dismount animation

[zenith vessel]

oh well atleast it isnt the longest growth

[silent harness]

yeah what is it for raptors now like 1hour 20 min?

[frosty heron]

1 hour 15 mins

[spare badger]

If they can react fast enough depending on the attack
A carno could bite you
A teno tail slam is prob too slow

[silent harness]

well christ no wonder everyone plays them u get to adult and actually play as intended in no time

[frosty heron]

Stego can 100% kill you as I tested it multiple times

And it's a bad situation for a actually landing the pounce, you shouldn't be punished for landing it, people already suggested a knock back kick consuming stam to avoid those situations

Also I saw people saying that you have to dismount in the right moment which honestly won't work against someone who is waiting for you to dismount, you just react to it, that simple

If 2 or more Utahs pounces at once on a hunting strat, 1 is dead at least

[silent harness]

well against a steg if u pounce them and get off with stam and no landing anim, you can just casually walk away and recover stamm rinse and repeat on them without consequence potentially correct? i mean the steg cant catch you

[frosty heron]

The thing is bucking destroys your stamina in a second and Stego can buck and attack at the same time

And anyways, being dead by just landing the pounce sounds unfair as fuck. We already have a stun animation for missing it which means death 80% of the time

Landing it should be rewarded, not punished

[silent harness]

well if its an adult they did at least put in pentuple the time you did so losing that progress to someone who jumps you would be infuriating,without taking one without, hell its painfull even then. i would be fine with the pounce anim being without consequence if you time jumping off right but only if it didnt kill so much investment in being a steg. Thats why i wanted steg growth times lowered as mentioned earlier so the loss wouldnt be as devistating

[frosty heron]

I would agree Stego to be 4 hours but only if in a future doesn't get buffed further in stats (not counting new attacks)

If it gonna be stronger, it should stay as a 5 hours tho

[silent harness]

or hell the 5 hours wouldnt be as bad if it atleast hit like sub adult or something faster

[frosty heron]

My logic with this, while Legacy Stego was uncompleted a was a non official Dino, it was 4 hours and was damn OP in that game specially considering the hunting methods there

This Stego is "worse" and it's 5 hours

Doesn't make much sense

[silent harness]

i suggestd that steg have lowered thirst rate or regain thirst eating plants and slowing decline while grazing, encouraging them to basically stay in the plains and see things for a distance around and use their stam to run away before predators speed catch them, basically pitting preds speed and position to catch the steg or other herbs before they run out of stammina

like big cats hunting big prey on the savanna

[frosty heron]

Mmm I'm not in favour of that, that will prevent Stegos to risking it going for water and ruins the whole purpose of Deinos existence, also there's a lot of spots of the map where you can safely drink

[silent harness]

i sure as hell havent found them

[frosty heron]

Southeast swamp, best spot to grow your herbs

There's no Crocs there 90% of the time

[silent harness]

coulda fooled me

[modest carbon]

That horseshoe ish swamp?

[frosty heron]

At the very east there's big plains with a swamp in it that has a big rock, there is safe

[silent harness]

well i mean deinos can also snatch preds that go by water and my suggestion would only slow water requirement not remove it

[frosty heron]

Well, and the surroundings are also safe, the only non safe spot is the Hotspot with the log where the river starts

[silent harness]

very few animal especially at larger sizes can got withotu actually drinking water

but ussually herbivores get alot of water through diet

[modest carbon]

There is that northern shallow bit but there's often a lot of activity there

[silent harness]

next to the falls? and the stone arches?

i wass there at 40% and a full deino wasin the pool near but had to walk of over the shallowss so i saw him way in advance and turned(eventually) and ran full speed away! he caught up in 15 steps and massacred me in 3 bites

[halcyon slate]

hey i wanted to bring that up when they are gonna implement human they should spawn then as juvies also to make it fair maybe with a kindergarten outfit 🙃

[sinful cove]

A man named Class may agree with this unironically

[stark knoll]

[hallow spire]

Yea at this point I’m not sure if humans should be in the game or not

[sinful cove]

Have humans spawn in as babies with a pocket knife and a jar of gerber

[halcyon slate]

LMAO

yesss

[sinful cove]

Humans take 18 hours to grow to represent 18 years to maturity

[hallow spire]

That would be a pain but a good challenge

[halcyon slate]

yeah trying to mug a raptor XD

[sinful cove]

Lowkey that would be hilarious i wouldn’t even be mad but mainly because i dont wanna play them anyway

[hallow spire]

Same

Imagine getting jumped as a hererra or oviraptor by kids with knives and then they eat ur eggs in front of u

[halcyon slate]

so perfect

[sinful cove]

Imagine kicking a human toddler as a galli

Just yeet

[hallow spire]

That’ll be the true horror part of the isle

[halcyon slate]

ramming it with the carno sending it flying

[sinful cove]

God i hope someone mods in human juvie just for the hilarity

[hallow spire]

Yea against a carno there screwed

[granite gate]

quetz would have to deliver human babies instead of nesting lmao, like storks

[halcyon slate]

now i want put this idea in balance feedback so bad to see if i get upvoted or downvoted to hell

[granite gate]

lol itll get downvoted to hell and even if it didnt, devs wouldnt want to make growing humans too difficult

a lot of people are waiting for humans to get added to buy / play the game since it's been teased for a fairly long chunk of development, so i dont think the devs would wanna obliterate their bottom line lol

[halcyon slate]

yeah but they could get a new market i mean the kind of people that get games like goat simulator

[granite gate]

lol wait can you clarify which idea you were talking about

i was talking about the whole "make humans take 18 hours to grow" thing

[ripe zinc]

I still think humans should be unable to stand up for the first 10 minutes, and for the next 20 minutes after that be prone to falling over spontaneously

[granite gate]

lmao but instead of a child, it's just a really sloshed 20 something year old

[sinful cove]

hypsi doesn't need the extra speed, he is good enough at escaping through foliage, what he needs are fixes to his two shite abilities

it shouldnt be bandaid patched like dryo onstead of fixing its abilities

[nocturne fiber]

true

[sinful cove]

his high jump wastes too much stam for what is essentially just a worse utah jump, it should take a less than currently. his spit should be aimable in a cone for a higher hit chance in a defensive situation and not interrupt movement, and it should disrupt the camera angle a lot less than it currently does

[nocturne fiber]

spit is basically only good for trolling and using it as a actual defense is fucking suicide

[sinful cove]

skin system will make it even easier for hypsi to lose attackers in the woods, so other than those fixes it probably wouldn't need anything else unless they gave it more abilities

[nocturne fiber]

and jump height isnt worth the stam

Hypsi is good as escaping atm, despite the fact I got killed by 3 utahs tracking me in the woods

they tracked me for like 10 mins

[sinful cove]

damn thats honestly a little pathetic lol

hypsi is worth so little

wasting so much time just to kill one, and it couldnt even be for the goal of ruining somebody's day since hypsi spawns in as adult

[nocturne fiber]

nah they uh

they ruined my day

Despite being in the forest for basically the entire time and still losing is frusterating

[sinful cove]

true, though at least no grow time was lost, it can be annoying to lose exploration progress and have to start again from spawn points

[granite gate]

if/when hypsi gets growth, it should be maybe like 20-30 min max... otherwise itll be even less played than it already is

[hollow canyon]

Dryo takes 30 minutes to grow - why would an animal almost 10 times smaller take just as much? I honestly don't think Hypsi needs growth at all. If it ever does get some growth time it should be very, very low.

[nova olive]

it should def grow but it should be in line w/ if not shorter than velo. 10mins is way too short, but 15 or 20 might work? leaning towards 20 but we'll see when QA starts testing it

[grave veldt]

since dryo takes 30 minutes ideally i would like hypsi to have 15 mins max

[hollow canyon]

^

[grave veldt]

maybe even less honestly

it shouldnt go past 15 tho

only reason 15 is fine

is cuz of its unique ability

[granite gate]

yeah that's fair

[grave veldt]

if only they actually made the ability useful tho

cant hit shit

[granite gate]

^

or make tree climbing actually fuckin possible without having to jump 30 times into a buggy tree

[grave veldt]

^^^^'

[granite gate]

that a utah can jump up and still kill you in anyways

[grave veldt]

why does jumping take so much stam?

no reason for it at all

[granite gate]

i have no idea

[grave veldt]

a utah can jump the same distance and use 10% stam or less

[granite gate]

and it's 10x heavier

[grave veldt]

^

[granite gate]

or 20x or whatever

and doesnt have a feathery tail for lift

[grave veldt]

hypsi is what 80 kg

[granite gate]

didnt someone say its like the size of a large dog?

[grave veldt]

nvm

[granite gate]

or am i mixing up dinos

[grave veldt]

20 kg lol

[granite gate]

hm

[grave veldt]

bro

[granite gate]

medium dog then

[grave veldt]

utah is 25 times heavier then hypsi

lol

[granite gate]

german sheps tend to weigh like 40 - 45 kg

[grave veldt]

yea so like

its a small dog basically

it rly is small tho

[granite gate]

huh, like the size of a beagle

[frosty heron]

Juvi Hypsi gonna be so smol it gonna be impossible to spot unless you're a Juvi yourself lmao

[lament cloak]

@nova olive i agree with everything you said except the running start, quetz did a standing takeoff irl and would look utterly ridiculous with a running takeoff.

[nova olive]

really? i haven't read any journals about quetz's take off admittedly, but it doesnt look like an animal that could do a standing take-off? It weighed over 400lbs minimum so that would be quite the push-up (or burpee? i guess?)

[proper zephyr]

Deino’s bite force is a bit low rn to encourage it to drown stuff rather then just bite it to death
it’s a lot scarier and more fun to get grabbed by this mega croc and taken underwater to be drowned rather then get spam bitten to death on the shore

[granite gate]

exactly this ^ too many people keep expecting to play like a water legacy rex. the whole goal of evrima is to make creatures have their niche. deinos should not be able to both drown everything on the roster -1 (even then a good deino can take down a stego in a 1v1 ez now cos of the hitbox shit) AND bite everything to death at the same time

tenontos are meant to be fast n slippery and hard to kill, people are ridiculous thinking deinos should be able to have MORE power in addition to be able to pretty much one shot again, nearly everything on the roster -1

if you wanted to hunt tenontos you should have ambushed them properly, not flopped around on the shore like a half-dead fish hoping they'll instantly die because you nipped at their heels

[proper zephyr]

it’s a specialist ambush predator that relies heavily on using water cover to hunt. It shouldn’t be rushing after Tenontos on land like an obese carno. Rather, it should be using the murky water to its advantage and being patient in order to snag said Tenontos (and once you grab one it’s basically game over for it)

[granite gate]

i agree

also lmao obese carno

[granite gate]

quetz will probably take quite a bit longer to grow

[full ocean]

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[left scroll]

yeah ill still like ptera. quick to grow, and while combat is a big part of this game it's not the be all end all of it

ptera is nice for more chilled gameplay

[granite gate]

^

plus it's a bit reassuring to know that if you go splat you didnt just lose 4 hours of progress or smth

honestly tho for both flyers, devs should make it so that if a server crash or smth happens while flying, they dont die from fall damage when they log back in

lil bit frustrating and it's happened to me a ton

i understand they dont want people abusing logging to avoid fall damage, but for flyers it just makes sense

[ripe zinc]

I doubt quetz will be a spectator mode like pteranodon, so completely different niches.

[dim radish]

Saying that no one will play Ptera when Quetz comes out is like saying no one is playing Utah because Carno is in the game

[left scroll]

hrrng flyer but stronger >:[

why play smaller, less strong animal that still has its own strengths and unique gameplay when you can play STRONGER animal????

although that being said there are people that literally think like that, hence apex overpopulation

[crisp elbow]

@spiral girder I'm assuming stats will be the main allure.
Quetz might have more stamina but be painfully slow, take 4 hours to grow opposed to the Ptera's 1 hour growth time.
Some people prefer low growth times so they can get back in to playing with friends and not being a burden, because they don't want to spend 3 hours getting to sub adult (and being unable to play) just to die again.

[ripe zinc]

This is how a lot of people think. The STRONG animal doesn't even need to be good, as all the stegos demonstrate.

[gaunt jackal]

Yeah Petra is a small and agiel fisher. Quetz is a big bean juvi killer baisicly, big diffrence(realy tho)

[dim crown]

Top Gun Pteras can rule TI as it is, imo. We need Maverick and Goose

[wheat ridge]

@zealous hawk you should play like a deino and not like a rex

[burnt citrus]

Are there certain angles a deino cannot grab onto something with its lunge?

[lament cloak]

@spiral girder its the same reason people will play dibble when trike comes. ptera will be far more manuverable,ptera will be able to fish which basically grants you the inability to starve, ptera also is much easier to grow.

[mellow zenith]

You pretty much need to hit the center mass of your target with the lunge.
If you hit head/tail you will phased through the model and miss your attack

[silent harness]

@ripe zinc in fairness the current 5hour investment 3-4 hours of helplessness, slowest movement, worst maneuverability, near inability to hide and mass of predators kind of entitles them to maybe be able to fight off anything 1v1

[ripe zinc]

too bad they can't

[silent harness]

yeah thats why i suggested they have a lower growth time

[wraith spindle]

yeah it used all four limbs to take off and might have been quite the runner as well, able to gallop at a respectable pace

[hallow spire]

facts

[sinful cove]

utah isnt some featherweight animal, if it gets its famm damage reduced it shouldn't be by a lot

[grave veldt]

all fall dmg was just reduced across the board

also utah 500 kg

its not a small dino

[sinful cove]

yeah people seem to think utah is weightless

[hollow canyon]

Realistically our Utah wouldn't weigh 500kg though

[grave veldt]

yea but the isle

[hollow canyon]

Its properties in the game just don't really match those of a Utahraptor

[sinful cove]

yeah out utah is scrappy as shit

[grave veldt]

i wish our utah model rly looked like a bulky raptor

[sinful cove]

he shouldnt have 1000 hp either

with his model

[grave veldt]

1000 hp in general is just wonky

for a utah

[hollow canyon]

Neither its stats nor its hunting method would be much like what they are in the game. I think it might be receiving a bit much damage from falls.

[sinful cove]

they should honestly just rename the utah since it's just so bad

maybe make its hp 600, lower its weight to 400 so it takes less fall damage and is scrawny as fuck compared to an actual utah

[hollow canyon]

600hp is way too little(although 1k is on the other hand too much).

[sinful cove]

750 perhap

[hollow canyon]

I think 800hp would be reasonable

[grave veldt]

i day a good spot is 750

-800

around there

[sinful cove]

750 is fine yeah

[grave veldt]

right in the middle

750 seems good

no reason for utahs hp to be double its weight

[hollow canyon]

I'm against it having 750 and less because it's a oneshot from the current Deinosuchus and I don't think it's meant to be oneshot by Deino as it is.

[frosty heron]

And Carno will 2 shot it

[sinful cove]

yeah steg has less hp than his weight and he's chunkers, utah has double his hp in health

ass backwards

[frosty heron]

Which honestly it's too much

[grave veldt]

no its a 3 shot

[hollow canyon]

Nah, it would still be a three shot from Carno unless it lands headshots

[grave veldt]

with 750

[hollow canyon]

Still that's a bit too little I think

[frosty heron]

It's currently 3 shot with 1000 hp

[grave veldt]

yes

[hollow canyon]

It would still be a threeshot

[sinful cove]

carno twoshotting it isnt a big deal when its supposed to hunt small game and utah can easily juke it in the woods especially

[grave veldt]

actually

[sinful cove]

carno should be hunting things like utah, dryo, galli

[grave veldt]

and it still would be

with 750

[frosty heron]

It's stupidly easy to land 2 bites on a Utah, that's way too fragile for a 1 hour + Dino

[hollow canyon]

Carno does fine vs Utah now, it doesn't need to be better in this match up.

[wild zealot]

Stego has no place in the game right now. There isn't a predator for it.

[sinful cove]

considering utah also takes down things with much longer grow times than itself, not really

it's really not hard to lose carnos in trees

[hollow canyon]

I'd actually agree that Stego has no place in the game, it's kind of garbage

[grave veldt]

^

actually its not kind of garbage

[silent harness]

litterally everything is a predator for it manages to reach adulthood

[grave veldt]

it is garbage

[sinful cove]

yeah they shoulda added para or some fucken thing

instead of adding stego and making it ass

[frosty heron]

Still 2 shooting Utahs is not a deserved nerf in my opinion

[hollow canyon]

^

[wild zealot]

I'm NOT suggesting the Stego be removed. I am suggesting that something that can eat it gets added.

[grave veldt]

its a 3 shot bruh

[hollow canyon]

Literally anything can eat a Stego as it is

[wild zealot]

Aken that's ridiculous.

Anything, sure, if the stego is AFK.

[frosty heron]

I repeat, if you nerf it to 750 hp it will be 2

[hollow canyon]

Deino can kill it, Utah can kill, a really good Carno can kill it too

[grave veldt]

do the math it wont be

[hollow canyon]

You can also kill it with Hypsi in a really lame way

[frosty heron]

What math? Lol are you considering locational dmg?

[grave veldt]

2 head shots r fine

dont see the issue there

[hollow canyon]

It's a headshot and bodyshot in that case

[grave veldt]

all the same amount of bites

whether its 750 or 1000 the bite number remains the same

[hollow canyon]

I'm not particularly fond of Carno being better vs Utah than it is. The match up is fine in its current state

[frosty heron]

That happens a lot in Carno fights

[wild zealot]

The hitbox is broken on the stego. In order to get a headshot you need to be at its shoulders almost.

I've tested this with friends yesterday.

[hollow canyon]

@wild zealotI was speaking about Carno vs Utah there

[wild zealot]

Ah

How do you propose things kill the Stego? Can you elaborate on the hypsie method? lol

[grave veldt]

stego in general is just so underwhelming

[golden coral]

Utah, carno, deino. Even dryos and tennos can kill a stego. There is no issue there, if anything stego is underperforming.

[grave veldt]

stego has lots of issues

[wild zealot]

Have you played the game? Stegos are the dominant land species in every server I've played on.

[grave veldt]

they way it attacks is already weird

[hollow canyon]

@wild zealotAfter you make it to Stegos legs it can't hit you with the tail, it can neither turn around fast enough for you to get hit with its bite. It's doable just extremely boring and lame.

I've personally killed Stegos as a Deino 1v1

It's very much doable

[grave veldt]

actually killing stegos is easier then ever now

especially with deino

its pretty sad

[golden coral]

Yes I've played the game.

[hollow canyon]

You can also kill them with Carno if you're good at baiting its attacks and headcheesing

[frosty heron]

Stego player has to be bad to die to a single Carno tho, honestly

[golden coral]

Yep, deino is doing really well. Utahs are still doing well in packs, as are most likely carno.

[hollow canyon]

Utah can do the same but it's better at dodging and baiting attacks while doing less damage.

[golden coral]

Yeah, one carno. But two can pull it off most likely. We know some good carnos, don't we :p

[hollow canyon]

@frosty heronKind of yea, I think Carno has the worst match up against it.

[grave veldt]

honestly stego needs to be looked at soon

[hollow canyon]

It's still doable.

I personally wouldn't try because growing a Carno is imo harder than growing a Stego

so it's just not worth the risk

but

[frosty heron]

I do it sometimes but you will be eventually get hit if you fight a decent Stego that doesn't fall on all the baits

[golden coral]

Growing stego is not hard, it's just boring as can be :p

[hollow canyon]

It can definitely be done

Yea, growing a Stego is a chore

[frosty heron]

Or just spams swings with no brain

[hollow canyon]

Same goes for Deino really, both are easy to grow but really boring because they take a tonne of time

[grave veldt]

stego having a 2X locational dmg on its head is insane

[golden coral]

Possibly, but with only 6 headshots, it's not that difficult, especially not since you can bait the swings even as carnos, I've seen it done.

[frosty heron]

Honestly I wouldn't remove that, Stego needs a weakness for the future game. Having a 1,5x multiplier there won't make sense

[golden coral]

But yeah, carno has the worst matchup. Utahs are fine in groups, losses accounted for, and deino is doing a bit too good now I think.

[dawn falcon]

Tbf with stego there’s no cannibals
But Deino HAS that cannibal problem, and has no way to avoid it unless said cannibal is friendly

[grave veldt]

i have no issue with an extra added multiplier but 2X is just no

theres no reason for it

[golden coral]

There's no real reason why a stego head would be more vunerable than any other though :p

[frosty heron]

Dude it has a small /fragile head

[grave veldt]

ok so?

balance

[golden coral]

If anything it actually had some sort of armor there in reality I think

[grave veldt]

carno only needs 6 hits to the head and the stego dies

[frosty heron]

Balance? No shit everyone asking to nerf Utah hp because it's supposed to be "Fragile"

[golden coral]

But you can't really say stego head is more frail than utah head, or carno head, or dryo head? :p

[sinful cove]

stego had armour on the bottom of its neck not its head if i remember right

[frosty heron]

But Stego can't have a x2 in the head

[grave veldt]

stego is an apex tier-ish animal that takes 5 hours to grow

it doesnt need an extra disadvantage from already being slow

[frosty heron]

Like I don't know that already...

[grave veldt]

bro read the other stuff

[golden coral]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Still means it's vaguely armored on the neck, and I doubt the face would be any more frail than most other things. But Im not opposed to the extra head multiplier on stego myself, I have issues with the attacks and all that instead :p

[hollow canyon]

Stego's head would realistically be more easy to damage than a larger and more robust head. I don't think the multiplier is the issue. I think the problem is that Stego's just kind of wonky

[grave veldt]

still tho why 2X?

why not 1.75?

[hollow canyon]

Its attacks are rather easy to avoid due to how much power they pack

[golden coral]

Yeah but.. compared to dryo? Utah? Tenno?

[grave veldt]

its head isnt even as small as u think

its small for sure but look at a utahs head compared to it

[frosty heron]

Yall want everything against Utahs don't you?

[grave veldt]

no reason for it to already have the disatvantage of being slower then everything and add a X multiplier

[sinful cove]

stego doesn't deserve the head multiplier punishment while has has no AOE and is getting killed by a few utahs or 1-2 small prey hunters, neither of which he can escape from once he's spotted
if he had reliable AoE and better defense in general a multiplier would make more sense

[hollow canyon]

It's relatively same sized, potentially slightly smaller than the head of a Utah.

[grave veldt]

^

[sinful cove]

his health pool is well under his weight and he doesn't even have a tail sweep for some dumb reason

[grave veldt]

its hp is 2000 less then its weight

[sinful cove]

yeah it's wack

[grave veldt]

then u have a 2X multiplier

its already slowest thing in the game

its attack method isnt good

like the list goes on

[hollow canyon]

I think the reason why there are so many thing that are "weak" about Stego is simply due to how much power its attacks have.

[sinful cove]

why something so fat and bulky would have 2k less hp than his weight while a scrawny raptor with less muscle mass than his irl namesake has double his weight in hp

[grave veldt]

ofc i dont want stego to have tons of hp

since it is semi glass canon

[hollow canyon]

If it didn't have close to 1300N on its thagomizer it would very likely have more sensible attacks and potentially be more tanky.

[dawn falcon]

Wait what’s the topic

[sinful cove]

it shouldnt have more hp than its health pool imo but 2k less is a bit absurd

[hollow canyon]

Stego being super-squishy

[dawn falcon]

Why

[golden coral]

I don't think that's what my point was... come on then, you know me better than that :p

[sinful cove]

the topic started at utah fall damage and came here somehow lol

[frosty heron]

Not talking about you

[grave veldt]

talking specifically about how underwhelming stego rly is

shouldnt have been added

[golden coral]

I guess you could nerf the damage for now (though deino matchup.. ) and improve the other things, that would be better maybe. But oh well, here we are.. :p

[hollow canyon]

Stego is underwhelming yea, it's not so much that it's weak when you throw it at some other animal and they just throw their attacks at each other blindly but it's just very vulnerable to being outplayed with Stego being not exactly able of doing much.

[frosty heron]

Stego is on a spot where it can be extremely underwhelming or extremely broken touching its stats, honestly Stego wasn't made for this first set of playables

[grave veldt]

stego rly shouldnt be here

[hollow canyon]

@golden coralI'd very likely nerf its damage, give it more hp and somewhat faster attacks with longer damage frames.

[frosty heron]

It got added because it was planned and worked on as AI

[golden coral]

Agreed. Still think it's fine to remove it. Tenno is a good playable for fighters, you got dryo for runners, hypsi for trolls.. :p

[grave veldt]

id rather have less dmg with a much better attack system

[golden coral]

Should just take it out for now, and work on it before readding, but.. :p

[sinful cove]

they shoulda just thrown in para tubi instead of stego

[grave veldt]

or kentro

[frosty heron]

I wouldn't touch Stego dmg and multipliers, I would give it more hp

[sinful cove]

yeah or kentro or pachy

[grave veldt]

if we wanna stick with this 2X multiplier stego needs a better attack system in general and it needs more hp

[sinful cove]

hopefully kentro reflects damage and has collision damage or he's probably screwed

[golden coral]

I don't think the extra head multiplier would be needed in the future really, so maybe that'll get fixed when stats get updated too and all that

[grave veldt]

i rly hope stego is actually looked at

it rly is just is super underwhelming for reasons it shouldnt be

[ripe zinc]

the stego's immense power is it's downfall. In order for it to be balanced when it has all the damage in the world, the attacks have to be avoidable. When the attacks are avoidable, anyone with good timing and patience can take it down flawlessly.

[ripe zinc]

remove it? some people like to play the thing, and you can play it for a long time before you actually meet someone who knows how to deal with it in my experience

[golden coral]

@ripe zincI know there are some who like stego, but I can still think it might be better to keep it out of the game for now. It does seem to have balance issues, and it does not fit with the roster they are otherwise trying to build so.

[grave veldt]

^

[ripe zinc]

no reason to take it out

it works and people like playing it, so what if it is an ez kill for some of us?

[sinful cove]

i mean not at this point because it's already in, was a bad decision to add it this early anyway

since it gets the legacy trike treatment of being harassed by everything

[grave veldt]

exactly

[grave veldt]

this right here

this is why it shouldnt be here

[silent harness]

for 5 hours especially

[grave veldt]

imagine growing for 5 hours and then dying to a deino cuz u couldnt run fight or do anything except hope it leaves u alone

[frosty heron]

If you die to a Deino, you're doing something wrong

[sinful cove]

imagine growiong for 5 hours and then a pack of 30 utahs that grew for 1 hour spot you and you can't do anything lol

[grave veldt]

nope not anymore

[frosty heron]

Unless you got lunged during your grow

[grave veldt]

nope

deino is much better now

[ripe zinc]

you can actually just turn and walk away from a deino, it's utahs and carnos that kill it easily

[frosty heron]

Explain yourself

[grave veldt]

im about to

[silent harness]

yeah nothing quite like spotting one running away a good 10 sec in advanceand the big croc just catches up to and sslaughters you on land

[frosty heron]

Because this is bullshit, I have a Stego on a server and all I'm doing it's bully Deinos

[grave veldt]

due to stun lunge and the hitbox changes deinos can now stun the stego and get free 1-2 headshots then alt-bite thru the ass of the stego and spam bite till it dies

[frosty heron]

Of course if I see a megapack of adults I just step away

[grave veldt]

wait till more deinos find out

its gonna become an issue

[frosty heron]

Once that happens to a decent player I would consider it. And it should happen consistently not 1 outta 1000 cases