balance-feedback-discussion

[sinful cove]

giga sees a para and wants it and the para is sentenced to death unless the giga sucks ass

[hollow canyon]

Para's trash so I wouldn't take it as a good example of another animal being unbalanced

No trot and atrocious stamina regeneration

[sinful cove]

true but it is one of the saddest cases lol

[hollow canyon]

I will never understand how an Allo can get caught by a Giga. 3m 20s of stamina, 4km/h faster running speed and a pretty good trot

Not that the trot matters because after 3m20s the Giga should be incapable of following you if you did well

I think the difference is around 10km/h

Giga trots at around the speed of a running Cama

Cama runs at ~20km/h iirc

I think this is becoming a thing for all the animals

but yea the slide existing for Allo specifically was kind of bad

Yea take a look at a Carno running if you suddenly stop it will slide

It won't make additional steps but it will slide on the ground for a moment

Ceratos can kill Allos mainly on alt turn although tbh I think it's mainly down to Allos incompetence. A good Allo will kill a Cerato in a fight alt turn or not

Wait, how does an Allo die to a Cerato on an alt turn server?

Yea it takes a moment but then it has a very quick alt turn on top of that. You just crouch and unless the Cerato uses its whole stamina to run away at that point it will be dying

I've heard so but I've never really fought dibbles as an Allo

I think Rex is the easiest one to do it with but it's doable with pretty much every animal. It's hard with a Spino though because the animation is very fast and very short

I did manage to doublebite Ceratos as an Allo on multiple occasions

That's typically GG if you pull that off even on a no alt turn server

Same goes for Pachy and well... Allo itself is not exactly a titan in terms of bleed resistance but at least it heals up bleed very fast

I think it's longer from what I recall

It's one of the animals I've never even played in survival

rip

but no surprise there, Pachy handles bleed really poorly and it also heals it slowly

I sort of miss it too but I haven't played it pretty much at all since the November patch

I kind of prefer Evrima anyways, it's just that I find some of the decisions in terms of its development not to my liking and I'm not a fan of the roster

but time should fix most of the issues

This apparently is really individual, it seems to work fine for some people and really badly for others. It's ok for me for the most part

It does work worse than the legacy but still very much ok

Ugh, that doesn't sound good

[visual belfry]

Carns are too powerful:
-Attack fast
-Run fast
-Attack hard
-lots of health

and there's always 4-5 together at all times. How do you counter that?

Raptors need a buff, maybe earn the leap attack at 80% growth and deal more damage with the attack

[sinful cove]

utah doens't need a buff lmfao

[lament cloak]

yeah, no, utah definitly does not need a buff

[sinful cove]

maybe, maybe carno could use a nerf when more small game comes out

that's maybe

[lament cloak]

carno should definitly get a nerf once more small game is added, it should stand zero chance against a teno in a 1v1, and should lose most of the time in a 2v1

[sinful cove]

eh, a good carno should stance a chance against an average tenonto, but tenonto should have the overwhelming advantage considering 1. it's slower and 2. carno is supposed to hunt small shit

carno shouldnt be touched until more small stuff is added tho

let him kill dumb novaraptors for now

[frosty heron]

Zero chance against a Dino that has about his same weight? Hell no, Teno is very capable of murdering those dumb Carnos getting tail slammed because they run in for bites like headless chickens

In my opinion Carno it's on a very good spot right now, maybe the pack limit is bit too high but hope that wouldn't be the case on full release

[modest carbon]

Isn't teno like... almost a ton heavier than carno

[frosty heron]

Carno it's 1800 kg, Teno it's 1600 kg

[modest carbon]

Oh really?

[frosty heron]

It's actually a tiny bit smaller

Yeah

[modest carbon]

I thought teno was 2.6 mb

[frosty heron]

Carno it's the heaviest mid-pseudo mid tier from the list actually

[modest carbon]

Oh nice

[frosty heron]

You can actually feel it on its movement, it's drifts like a truck xD

[modest carbon]

I agree the pack limit being a bit too much

But if you compare

8 utahs & 8 tenos,

[frosty heron]

I kinda dislike the group limits for the QA but this gonna be temporary stuff I'm pretty sure

[modest carbon]

I can see carno getting some sort of nerf when cera or smaller prey comes out

[frosty heron]

Because eventually we gonna have bigger creatures in the game and they need their own pack limit aswell

[modest carbon]

Thats true

[golden coral]

@haughty pollen If you did not kill a juvie utah as a fully grown deino, that was because of hitbox issues or similar, and does not require a buff for the deino to fix. You also one shot everything you can grab, at least if you're fully grown and have full stamina, so there is that too.

[haughty pollen]

I played enough hours to figure out when I hit and when I didn't. I definitely heard this vile scream of pain.

[cedar shore]

Carno vs teno is a perfectly balanced matchup and it shouldnt be changed

[haughty pollen]

even if we didn’t hit, I fought a whole bunch of utah and didn’t kill them even with two bites. I was not going to grow this nonentity for 5 hours. Allosaurus in the isle is stronger than this Deinosuchus. (Full grow Utah)

[golden coral]

You can't compare legacy with evrima, two different versions with different balance. And there's no way you would not one shot a juvie utah as a grown deino, unless there's some really weird scaling or something going on. An adult, true enough, you twoshot them on the head, and body for that matter. Though they are good at using their tails to take the damage, so even a hit may not be where you think it is.

And you can, like I said, grab and drown them, which is your main method of killing, and should be used instead of trying to bite things to death.

[haughty pollen]

I am sure of what I am saying and am quite sure that Deinosuchus killed Utaraptor with one bite in nature. They have such a bite force that you bite the raptor once and its bones will say "goodbye!".

[golden coral]

Be that as it may, balance is done for game purposes, not for realism. As such, that point is moot. You have a grab and drown ability, and that's what you are supposed to use.

[haughty pollen]

for this you still need to get there!)

[golden coral]

Get where?

[haughty pollen]

hit the raptor. Sorry for my English, I don't speak English and I use a translator.)

[golden coral]

@willow canopy Hasn't carno stamina already been gutted? And I don't know, utahs are a problem child in their own right. But carno is meant to oppress the smalls, which is what everything in the game is, except stego and deino. Utah is not a midtier, and tenno is kind of, sort of, but not quite there, so it makes sense that carno is the main threat to them.

[willow canopy]

they're a threat to 10 of them at once tho

2 or 3 sure

[golden coral]

Right, but that would be a hitbox issue. If you click and hold RMB and you hit things, you'll grab em and then just shove them into deep water and hold them down.

Fair, but that makes me wonder how the utahs played that for you as a solo carno to take em all on at once and come out victorious. Did you kill them all too?

[willow canopy]

It's definitely very easy to just march through them and kill any that don't run for their lives from the start

I'm not saying that utahs should be able to hunt carnos, but a huge pack of them should at least be a threat

[golden coral]

They should, it seems a bit off that they couldn't do much.

[willow canopy]

whether they survive is also entirely based on how many friends take the blows for them lol

the ones that live are the ones that ran while others stayed and fought, but once the pack starts getting picked off, if I encounter those same survivors later I can take them out again once they have no distracting friends

[bleak dragon]

group limits are cool and stuff. but no one can enforce it so people of all species group higher than intended and mix pack.

[hollow canyon]

A huge pack of Utahs is a threat. Even 2 Utahs can bring down a Carno if they're good. Most Utahs aren't good though. They are pretty bad. If they're bad you can butcher an entire pack of them though(although that was more so in update 2, I doubt a single Carno can pull it off now with the changes to stamina).

Tenonto vs Carno is fine the way it is. Both animals are probably the best balanced ones in the roster atm - with Tenonto maybe being slightly overtuned.

[modest carbon]

Thats alright for teno to have a slight advantage too, most tenos are not very good so it makes towards a fairly equal balance

[hollow canyon]

No, I'm not speaking about Tenonto being slightly overtuned in the match up against Carno. I'm saying the animal itself might be too good with how it fares against the rest of the roster. I'd argue it's probably the best animal in the game atm considering how difficult it is to grow, maintain and how much power it offers.

[rapid bison]

I find it incredibly dumb that tenonto swims slower than a tiny little bird

[slim dragon]

Do you find incredibly dumb than an elephant swims slower than a duck ?

[rapid bison]

of course not, elephants don't have huge tails that are twice the length of the rest of their bodies last i checked

and hypsis don't have webbed feet

[limber elbow]

Ducks have adaptations specifically for swimming of course it would be faster then a elephant

[slim dragon]

Then it's your comparison that is wrong
It's the fact that teno is a swamp dweller and hypsi is not that should mean that teno should swim faster than hypsi

[limber elbow]

And that’s the point eyes was trying to make you are agreeing with them but calling them wrong ?

[slim dragon]

I'm calling the comparison wrong

If you wanna make yourself heard and be taken seriously, you have to choose carefully how you put things

[limber elbow]

How so? They think it’s dumb teno swims slower then hypsi

[slim dragon]

But they used their respective sizes as a comparison

[limber elbow]

Okay I get what u mean

[alpine plover]

@willow canopy

You serious about nerfing carno stam? It JUST got a nerf to only lasting 50 seconds........

agree with your second point though

third point is just plain dumb

Carno is a plains animal, it should have advantage in the plains

Instead of doing that, lower the amount of trees in the plains

@craggy remnant

Dyro DOES NOT need burrowing

it is fine atm

Infact, dyro is a bit OP

The reason people dont play it is because people just dont like playing small herbies

not that dyro is "bad"

agree with your other suggestions

Tail whip whip should deal 250N or 150N

@modest carbon

agreed, tenos swims speed nerf was so weird....... like why was it needed?

Cerato/teno should be the fastest non semi aqatuic swimmers

[alpine plover]

@dusty frost

Quetz, (a giraffe sized flyer) is being added, he may or may not get that

ptera clearly shouldnt get that though

It grows in 1 hour (Faster then utah) and is meant to be a sit back and chill type of dino

and it can already hunt juvies if you're good enough

[dusty frost]

Ahh fair enough

I'v only just started playing, I'v been watching this game for over a year and I finally got it because it has a flying dinosaur now hahaha

This whole experience has been so cool, I cant wait for them to just keep shitting out updates and adding more dinos. I'm not too sure on what the devs are like in this game though. do they put out updates fast and communicate well?

[limber elbow]

They communicate well and here’s the road map for future updates but I believe they will switch some stuff around soon on it https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[dusty frost]

I'v been looking for this! thank you 🙂

What update are we on right now? 2?

[lament cloak]

btw, its changing right after update 3 actually comes out, so its pretty much been rendered useless for the time being

[limber elbow]

They said they are most likely just switching cards around

So it’s not completely useless what you see is pretty much what you get for now

[lament cloak]

but we are just about to get update 3

[dusty frost]

Nice 😄

I thought update 2 wasnt even done yet though

how long does it take for the new dinos to be playable on all servers

[limber elbow]

They don’t give etas for anything but the stress test for the deino and ptera is most likely almost over then it will be available for community servers

[lament cloak]

well the stress test started 2 weeks ago, and that was when punch said the stress test was going to last 1-2 weeks. and I assume it wont be longer than 3 weeks after the stress test ends.

[dusty frost]

Okay cool, thank you for taking the time to reply to me

This games cool and I look forward to all the stuff they're adding. especially gore hahah!

[cedar shore]

@unreal vine What are you on about? Utah pounce does like 300 damage and a lot of bleed, not 2000 damage. what???

[umbral urchin]

So, is Stego supposed to be able to nearly four-five hit a full adult Deino

And a Deino not being able to grab them? Or will that will changed

[limber elbow]

Yes Bc deino is a ambush hunter and not meant to take things head on according to the game

[cedar shore]

stego is 9 hit from deino depending on where you attack

[limber elbow]

And it’s unfinished there will be more to the lunge In The future

[cedar shore]

It will never be able to grab adult stegos

that would be busted op as of now

[umbral urchin]

Well, when you ambush a stego drinking and it just ALT turns around and slaps you and you cannot grab it just doesn't seem well, balanced?

Especially since it is supposed to rival Rex is it not?

[limber elbow]

They are already stated they will look into adding something in the future like a tug of war mechanic

For adult stegos and bigger animals

[umbral urchin]

I think that would be nice

[cedar shore]

Its not supposed to be a rival to rex since it isnt in the game yet. If they made it that strong right now it would be op

[limber elbow]

Irl yes not in game the isle does not take realism into account

It probably won’t rival rex anyways when it’s in

[umbral urchin]

I swear they talked about it being a rival to Rex

As of how big it can get

[cedar shore]

They have allready adressed tug of war mechanics and it wont be coming for a long time as it would take an insane amount of development

Not worth it for a single dino imo

[limber elbow]

The tug of war wouldn’t be for a single dino

Trike will be in the future

[umbral urchin]

I mean, I honestly think it could be used for others as well. Like a rex trying to force a larger dino down

[limber elbow]

Shant

[umbral urchin]

Yea

[limber elbow]

Para

[cedar shore]

how could shant para or trike tug something?

[limber elbow]

Bites it’s leg

Head

Tail

[cedar shore]

Rex is comfirmed to have a pin ability

Deino right now is really balanced imo

But i guess most people expected it to be an aquatic rex so they keep asking for buffs

[limber elbow]

I agree it’s balanced I just saying tug of war mechanic is not out of the picture and going forward if they add it, it will only add onto the creature as being that much better

[cedar shore]

Idk I dont expect too see it in the furure at least

[limber elbow]

It could be more balanced by nerfing carno and Utah imo but that’s just me

[dusty frost]

These damn crocodiles make it so hard to drink lmao

[wheat field]

Thank you

[pearl chasm]

Its not to bad as long as you scope out the water and listen for the noises deinos make by just existing. Its like allos from legacy just listen for the gator sounds first. Grown multiple dinos free from crocs this way

[slim dragon]

@cosmic hamlet To encourage cannibals to kill their own more often ?

[cosmic hamlet]

No, to get rid of cannibalism. Just an idea. Maybe some kind of poisoning works better

[lament cloak]

tbh, if I was making this game I would have other spinos on a spinos diet to encourage cannibalism, to avoid 10 spinos in the same lake or swamp

[slim dragon]

Piggy you could say that for every single carnivore in the game. Why spino specifically ?

[lament cloak]

because spinos HAVE to be at large water sources (they dont have to be, but a small water source isnt going to do them very well) so if you have other spinos on their diet you wont get 10 of them at the same lake like in pot.

compared to something like deino where smaller rivers like the ones we have now work perfectly fine for them, so they have way more options and would naturally be more spread out

[slim dragon]

Evrima spino looks at least 50% terrestrial

No dino should have the same species in their diet

[cosmic hamlet]

Cannibalism seems to be an everyone-wants-to-play-carnivore-problem tho

[wheat field]

Deino seems like a reasonable cannibal cannidate

[dusk sequoia]

Getting so tired of the overly high fall damage

[wheat field]

What were you

[dusk sequoia]

Utah

fall like 5 feet on an agile dino that isn't very heavy and you take half your life lol

[wheat field]

Could be a base fall dmg height based on weight, after you reach a certain height and fall you receive base dmg+ amplified dmg due to height

[golden coral]

You sure it was only that small of a fall? Remember utahs still weight 500 kg, they're not that light.

[wheat field]

But they have a strong bones made for agility and pouncing so 🤷🏽‍♂️

[dusk sequoia]

Yes it was small, you can accidentally overshoot jumping on a rock and thats enough to kill you if youre "low"

Utahs are like the cats of the game atm but die from tripping down a hill 😂

[golden coral]

Just thinking that the size/scale ingame is hard to know, what with the critters being surprisingly big. So what seems like a small fall could be pretty far even if it doesn't look like it.

[slim dragon]

They just redid their weight and fall damage calculation system, it's not surprising that it's going to need adjustements later on

[dim radish]

Deino doesn't need a buff. It needs a fix and more deep water

[alpine plover]

@wraith spindle

deino can handle utah fine

ideally it could

But the hitboxes are fucked atm, so while it might seem like deino gets shit stomped by utah, if things were working like planned he would be fine

So there's no need to buff it, just fix hitboxes

@willow canopy

stego cant even attack in deep water?

[willow canopy]

I'm saying while standing in deep water, not while swimming

like while standing in deep water that would also give them the "walk slowly because you're wading" animation. Though a potential problem there is that would also affect their attacks to anything else that is also standing next to them, so I think debuffing their damage to underwater targets makes more sense because it would pretty much only affect the stego-deino balance while in water and involve swinging their tail THROUGH water which reasonably wouldn't be as powerful

[opal edge]

what if deino could lmb after a lunge to continue the "ambush attack" into a death roll like when they eat, could do significantly more damage or cause like massive bleed and help with stego sitting with tails in the water

stego or other dino could then go into a bucking animation to get them off like with the raptor and pouncing

i also like what im soul was saying above me... ithink if these were implemented it would keep the deino weak on land but still the apex of the water without worrying about being hunted by stego

[alpine sleet]

@alpine plover i was in shallow water in center i needed to migrate to the deeper water, i had no other options lmao

[alpine plover]

So they attacked you at the only time they could possibly attack you and have an advantage which is perfectly fine

99% of the time Deino are invincible to Utah because they can just go back into water

Crossing shallows should be a risk

[alpine sleet]

yes

im just saying i had no other options

[alpine plover]

Right but I don't think it's valid criticism of the balance when you're looking at a sub adult deino far enough from deep water that it can't retreat vs 2 full adult Utah's in an optimal area to fight

It's a you problem not a balance problem

[alpine sleet]

a sub-deino with a bite force of 400n should be more than capable of taking down two ass-riders with 1000 health

gtg i got a carno to grow right now on another tab

[alpine plover]

Water apex not a land apex. Why should a water apex easily kill full adult land carnivores?

You can RMB and one shot them from water

Play to your dino's strengths lol

[alpine sleet]

i couldn't i was in shallow water knee deep

and i just died again

[alpine plover]

Which was a mistake you made as a player not a problem with the balance...

Your first assumption post dying is that deino is weak instead of looking at why you died in the first place lol. You tried to fight 2 full adult land carnivores on land as a water apex, solo.

[alpine sleet]

a utah with 1000 health should not live after 6 bites from a deino with 300-400 bite force

[alpine plover]

You can literally 1 shot them from water

[alpine sleet]

i wasn't in deep water

[alpine plover]

That's your fault

[alpine sleet]

u can't do it in shallow

[alpine plover]

So don't go in shallow water

[alpine sleet]

I had to

nother way

i had to get to the center

[alpine plover]

Frankly sounds like you made a mistake crossing the shallows at the wrong time and the Utah's capitalised on your mistake and killed your dino and that pissed you off

It's not a balance issue, you misplayed

[alpine sleet]

I was at the ocean cave

i had to get to the deep water in center

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5nyFIt1ZwY

see no other way

here

yee

this is all shallow

[golden coral]

I don't think those areas up there are shallow?

I've been there

[alpine sleet]

hol up i show u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDuELYCHCk

don't have a pic but here is dondi in that area

[golden coral]

Yeh but that's not the area circled

And yes, well aware of the long walk, I survived it on my own, despite a tenno trying to stop me, and it's a pain, but it's just that specific part more or less

There's fish down there in the river

[alpine sleet]

relatable

[golden coral]

@pallid palm You can actually grow quite well in the end of the river, or at least I could

[lament gale]

you dying was your own fault lmao

not a game issue

[golden coral]

Spawn pond.. I don't know, seems like a death trap to me up there, if it's where I think it is :p

[vapid fable]

that's the worst spawn, you either stay there your whole life and probably get camped by carnos or stegos and die, or you try to crawl a long way to central river and risk dying to carnos utahs stegos on the way

[wide tulip]

you guys get fed a ton of fish

just sit in the pond

eat the fish

and drink the water and grow to 100

[serene raven]

Y'all complaining about ass riding dinos on crocs know there is a butt bite trick right? That you flip 180 degrees and nail a bite on the offending ass rider as long as you turn left or right correctly? (Its not a glitch either like how legacy Rex butt bites, its a proper mechanic)

That's a really good tactic to use when stuck on land or shallows

Look the direction you want to bite (ie behind you) and alt + left click. Instant 180 bite to ass riders

[slim dragon]

There's a problem with that bite tho
It never hits

[serene raven]

I've hit it, as have several other players. I've also been hit by it as several dino types

[slim dragon]

As a Utah, I fought deinos sometimes, most of the time with a pack. Never anyone was hit with an alt bite, even when I got stuck and disppeared into deino's mouth

Deino's alt bite (and normal bite) both have broken hitboxes

[willow canopy]

deino really has a broken hit box. As a deino it's really hard to hit things even if my model's jaw snapped right on their torso, and as things fighting a deino it's really easy to not get hit

[neat portal]

bruh stego's op tail whip, that killed my carno 100% growth 95% life 1hit

[sinful cove]

lmao

[slim dragon]

Yep, that's precisely the point of stego tail whip, damage is fine

Why were you trying to hunt a stego as a carno in the first place ?

[sinful cove]

carno is supposed to hunt small game, hopefully that 95% becomes 100% later on

[neat portal]

a hit in the body its supose to do that? at 95% of a full grown carno?

I wasnt I ran pass him because I was stuck at the pond

[grave veldt]

head hits r 95% from what i have calculated

[neat portal]

chasing a raptor

it was 95% hp of a full 100%

[sinful cove]

well thats just a bored kfser i guess but it shouldnt be nerfed because people get too close to it sometimes

it aint really op lol

[neat portal]

he hit me in the body too

[grave veldt]

honestly carno should be a one shot in the body for a stego

[neat portal]

I get it if it was in the head but a body hit

cmon

[sinful cove]

stego is so much slower than carno it wouldnt even be unbalanced for it to oneshot it with a body hit

[grave veldt]

carno is rly not meant to take down large prey tbh

thats why utah packs exist

[neat portal]

I wasnt going for the stego bruh

[grave veldt]

allo is the one who should be hunting stegos

[sinful cove]

two pounces bleeds out a stego too you dont even need a whole pack

[slim dragon]

Plus stego is meant to be the hardest hitting herbi in the game (maybe for the exception of theri)

[neat portal]

thats not true at all

[grave veldt]

pounce is finnicky and your hunger water and stam all play a role in how the blood meter works

running also doesnt help too much

if u stay still as a stego it'll take more then 2 pounces

[sinful cove]

if youre by trees it can help but if youre caught out in the open you kinda have to move

[grave veldt]

just use trees tho

[sinful cove]

either way, youre way faster than the stego, you are a small game hunter, the thagomizer is literally long enough to impale you so its not that ridiculous that it turned you into carno kebab

[grave veldt]

well yea caught out in the complete opens is a pretty big disadvantage

which is weird cuz stego should be excelling in the open plains

but its quite the opposite as of currently

stego rly needs a tail swipe while moving

[sinful cove]

yeah he seems like he'd be out there grazing a lot but being out there screws him against small fast predators

[grave veldt]

a tail swipe would help a lot it makes those small target much easier

[sinful cove]

and yeah his aoe is surprisingly lame, a lower damage sweep would be good

[grave veldt]

yea

[dense hamlet]

Give stego wings while you’re at it so it can fly up and hit pteras mid flight cause balance, stegos have no way of defending against pteras, maybe even deployable jet skis so it can skid on water like jesus to hunt deinos

[slim dragon]

You seem to be quite salty about stegos

[dense hamlet]

Nah i think stegos are fine how they are

Giving them more then what they have will just be too much

In my opinion

[slim dragon]

They the dinosaur with the least options in-game
They only have bite and standing tail swing, giving them ONE additionnal attack isn't too much

[dense hamlet]

And they have 1 weakness, giving them that one extra attack takes away that weakness

Making them nearly unapproachable

[slim dragon]

Stego's weakness isn't supposed to be the fact it can't move

They're really easy to juke rn

[dense hamlet]

That swing takes away all openings, depending on how they implement the attack

It also depends on the player

[slim dragon]

A single Utah, when being careful enough, can take on a stego
A pack of 3-4 is a nightmare to them
Whilst I agree Utah packs should be able to take on stegos, they shouldn't do it so easily
It's an apex after all

Yes
Depending on how they implement the attack

So they just have to implement it in a way that doesn't take away all openings

[dense hamlet]

Yeah i have taken out stegos alone as a utah i agree with you there, but the only time i would be able to go in was by baiting out frontal and back stabs, all you gatta do is have your side facing them and you already take out most opportunities, so i feel it’s a lot of “oh i died as a stego to a utah, buff stego”

[slim dragon]

I'm Utah main and I never played stego

But rn they're the "stand ground" type of herbi at all times, so when they're attacked they have no choice but to stand right where they are and are not allowed to move

[sinful cove]

A utah pack would likely still be able to bait even with an AOE sweep, it would just make it much harder on solos which it obviously should

[slim dragon]

Tail swipe doesn't need to deal as much damage as jab does, just enough to shrug off small attackers

[dense hamlet]

I have played stego a couple times but am also a utah main, i feel that if they put in this AOE there will be a lot of “head in a tree AOE” spam.

[sinful cove]

And then bam the stego wastes his stam spamming swing for 5 minutes like a moron and its much easier to take it on

Just keep it swinging and bait it a tree doesnt even stop you it just makes it harder

Even then stego is just one of the many animals slower than utah it can easily run down and harass, don't need to be picky choosey

[dense hamlet]

I guess it all depends on how much stamina it uses

Smart players don’t fall for baits easily also

[sinful cove]

Making your target waste their stam with baiting seemed like it was kinda an intended strategy from the start

[slim dragon]

Then smart players should be allowed to win

[dense hamlet]

Definitely I’m all for that

I do think it’s cooldown should be longer than a stab though

[frosty heron]

Honestly im down for a moving attack for the Stego with couple conditions to make it properly balanced, I would also give it 4 hours of grow time instead of 5

The moving attack should do less damage bleed then the standing place swing and also hitbox shouldn't reach its head, otherwise the Stego would be capable of create a "Shield" of attacks while he moves, if he wants to cover its head he has to stop

[dense hamlet]

This is what I’m afraid of

Well considering it can wreck a 5 hour dino i think 4 hours is too little

[frosty heron]

Yeah, but Stego as the other playables needs a weakness, it's tanky, does a lot of damage and bleed, the weakness it's the fact it's slow with both attacks and movement, if they give a solution to that weakness Stego could be broken so that won't happen (hopefully)

The bait swing strat should work against them

[dense hamlet]

100% with you on that one

[frosty heron]

Legacy Stego was 4 hours and was way more broken than this one, yes I get it wasn't a full completed Dino back then (wasn't playable on Officials) but anyways, only with the condition it doesn't get buffed much more when bigger dinos are included so we keep it as pseudo-Apex

[dense hamlet]

Yeah, well good thing they are moving away from legacy. Stego doesn’t need a debuff like a lot of people state, but i am hoping this new sweep attack doesn’t give it a “noticeable buff” either

[sinful cove]

If someone doesn’t want to grow for hours and then die they can wait for sandbox to come (hopefully in the near future)
Removing so much risk from gameplay with extra lives will just incentivize KFS and other reckless toxic behaviour that is already an issue

[cosmic hamlet]

True, but still, losing 5 hours of effort is pretty bad

[sinful cove]

The frustration is understandable but it encourages people to think before they act, though at times death is kinda unavoidable and just bad luck

[cosmic hamlet]

We'll see if people want to grow so long when sandbox arrives

I've edited my suggestion a bit. Losing an hour of growth when you die

[sinful cove]

When sandbox eventually comes im sure there will be plenty of them to hang out on, or server owners could adjust growth times as they see fit

Personally i hope we don't get a cushion to fall back on when dying on official servers or as a default server setting, the penalty of dyinf after spending hours growing discourages kfs and chaotic deathmatch behaviour yet it still happens

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah, it has disadvantages too

[alpine plover]

hence why it is a survival game

[sinful cove]

Think about it, if there was less of a penalty for dying you would probably actually die more to reckless players running around starting a fight with every thing they see

Like you know all the stegos and tenontos running around attacking each other, all the pteras and utahs harassing people for shits and giggles, the carnos teasing and attacking deinos at the shore. That would be way more common

[slim dragon]

I hope with diets and perks players will become less inclined to attacking for nothing

Because you'll continue to "grow" far beyond 100% growth with perks and growing a good dino won't be only waiting

[dim radish]

Perks and Diets will give dinosaurs something to do instead of fighting with everything

And so will nesting

[slim dragon]

Yesh

[cosmic hamlet]

Growth speed depending on how full your stomach is, maybe

[slim dragon]

Diets are already supposed to do that

But maybe, why not after all
As long as you don't get insane growth speeds

It seems logical that a well-fed juvie will grow bigger and faster

[alpine plover]

alongside Elders

giving people a reason to live. A goal ⭐

[dim radish]

Exactly ✨

Right now all we can do is run around and fight

[willow canopy]

I think the solution to how boring it is to grow dinos should just be to make growing more. fun

the fun and gameplay should also be present while you are growing not just when you reach adulthood

like, it's a game, it should be A Game and fun at all times, regardless of your character's age

that's just done by adding other features to gameplay, not making it easier to reach adulthood

people should be having fun as hatchlings/subs and dying wouldn't be a disappointment it'd be "alright I get to have fun in <this way> again"

[cosmic hamlet]

Indeed, it would be fun to steal food from adults as a juvie for example. For that, the lightest juvie carnivores need the ovi sprint crouch ability: 836173618332303381

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/836173618332303381

[alpine plover]

how would you do this?

[ripe zinc]

this would be the optimal solution imo, together with reducing food output from all sources and removing bots. I mean the only reason I afk most of the time it takes to grow a dino unless I find a group is just the abundance of food, not to mention starting with a full stomach, making it too easy and running around aimlessly is just unnecessary risk.

[dim radish]

Okay but spawning with a full stomach makes sense, because what do you want to hunt as a baby ptera or baby utah? You'll just die without a pack to take care of you

[slim dragon]

Removing bots would make the map too empty
I'm not talking about carni viability there, but on the full map with only 100-200 players, you'll practically never run into people

[ripe zinc]

baby ptera can literally start catching fish the second you spawn in. As a solo baby utah, go to hot spots and scavenge. Risky, but very fun imo.

[ripe zinc]

Bots are broken atm in QA and I run into people all the time

[slim dragon]

Because everybody is massed around a few hotspots

75% of the map is unused

[ripe zinc]

I agree the map is more than big enough as is, if that's what you mean.

[slim dragon]

No, I'm not talking about the map size here. And wether you like it or not, it's size is gonna be multiplied by 4. So servers will need some AI so that it's not 90% emptyness.

[ripe zinc]

Eh, it'll take them ages to expand the map, and down the line we can bring it back down to reasonable size with mods

[slim dragon]

Yes but mods are not the intended game experience.

[ripe zinc]

I don't give a rat's ass about the intended game experience or the dev's vision, to be entirely honest, I prefer PvP dinosaur survival.

And as such the Isle is currently in a good spot imo, just a bit ez on the survival aspect.

[plucky ridge]

Why are people so against deino buff?

[dim radish]

Because it doesn't need one. Just some fixing, maybe a drag in water and deeper water

That will balance it

[wraith spindle]

no clue

it basically can't kill a stego which is absurd

[grave veldt]

you can just a lot of deinos dont know how to play it

even 2 deinos can kill a stego

it kills stego with 4 bites to the head so u can just bait out attacks if their staying by the water

and then do the swimming boost to gain traction on land in which u can bite the head and then run down in the water while maybe tanking 1 hit

[hollow canyon]

Why in the world would Deino need a buff? It's already the creature with the best survivability in the entire game. Anything goes wrong? Get back to water, no other animal can hurt you there.

I'd prefer if Deino had a better chance against Stego but it would have to come with a nerf to the animal in another area. As it is the croc is way too easy and safe to play. With how safe and easy it is it has no right of hunting a Stego.

[grave veldt]

honestly I personally think the main issue isnt deino

but the environment itself

rivers are just not wide enough honestly and even though they can be deep a lot of them are surprisingly shallow

this is why deinos camp places like center and specific ponds and never leave

also not to mention the fact that the ONLY way to get to center from swamp and vice versa is through a giant shallow area which is literally death for deino if a stego catches it there

yea exactly cuz u need to save stam as a deino just in case

if they fix its hitboxes and change the water areas to be better either being wider or deeper then any issues with deinos r now fixed

[dim radish]

Exactly. Deino doesn't need a buff, it needs hitbox fix and deeper rivers.

Stop complaining that you can't kill Utahs in one bite. You can, if you lunge, but people need to realise that instead of asking over and over again to buff their damn crocroach because they only want to press left click to win every battle

[grave veldt]

yea exactly

it can literally one shot everything in the game except stego

what more do u want lol

actually even then ur still able to one shot a stego whos at 79% or under

deino at least in the future shouldnt go above 750 N max if u want to be running around with big dmg numbers thats what rex is for whenever it comes

[dim radish]

Bite force isn't the only factor

[grave veldt]

id say keep the biteforce as it is now and give it fractures

[dim radish]

Exactly

That is a good point

Stego will probably also get buffed in the future

But currently it's fine (except for the bugs)

[grave veldt]

stego could use more bleed like quite a bit more

[modest carbon]

Deino needs water lunge and then it's perfecto

[grave veldt]

^

[wheat field]

Deino needs Future Buff, Water Lunge, Fixed Hitbox and Collision Hitbox

Then

I mean as a Utah i can run through the base of his tail and bite which is kinda whack

And if you aren’t balls deep on a dino you miss your bite as deino

[grave veldt]

oh yea physics and hitboxes need to be fixed asap b4 any other changes to it

personally id rather have 500 bite force as we have now but have fractures with it

[quick anchor]

@wild cove You can already recover from a fall though-

[wild cove]

I must just be dumb then. How?

[stiff oak]

did you not try pressing spacebar?

[quick anchor]

Hold space

[wild cove]

I'll try that next time but little late now lol

[thin herald]

@dusty fable I 100% agree that Deino shouldn't have it's realistic 18,000 damage output like some are suggesting for "realism". If that's the case, using Nova's estimate which is 37,000 kg, Deino would 2 shot Brachi. This is absolutely absurd. It would 1 shot a Camara. Using this logic, I think it's safe to assume that Brachi should definitely 1 shot a Hyper Rex or Spino.

[meager oyster]

can someone tell me how damage works now. Because it's not the old equation of (yourweight/targetweight)Biteforce. Because if it was a deino would one shot an adult carno.

[grave veldt]

its just the dmg u do plus the locational dmg

for example utah has 1000 hp deino has 500 bite force or N

if the deino bites the utahs body half its hp is gone

if it bites the head its almost dead

base of the tail (the ass basically) would lessen it to an extent im not sure of ill estimate u would lose instead of half hp maybe 30 or 35% hp

and then tip of the tail dmg is extremely negligible

[meager oyster]

I see thanks so much

[grave veldt]

also tip of the tail from what ive seen doesnt seem to do bleed when fighting dinos in your class

such as a utah vs utah

or deino vs stego

[meager oyster]

that's mildly annoying when stegos just leave their tail in the water lol

appreciate it

[grave veldt]

yea it def be annoying

but u just swim away so

or go deep

also if your good enough its quite possible to kill a stego with 2 deinos

not easy but u can do it

[meager oyster]

Where I keep finding them it's a deadend on one side and shallow on the other and they just line each side of the shore with their tails in the water so we're just stuck to starve or die

[grave veldt]

yea the issue tbh

more of the enviorment

its not done very good tbf

theres a massive shallow river and its the ONLY way to get to swamp/center

and many rivers just arent good enough tbh

ppl dogpile in ponds cuz fish iterally just dont spawn in rivers

swamp is actually insane for such a massive swamp not even one fish will spawn

maybe 1-2 through the entire swamp

[meager oyster]

Yeah

the flood/drought system will making things interesting

[grave veldt]

the enviorment itself needs to be looked at

if deino can just swim away

it fixes everything

[meager oyster]

or if deino could drown just little bit more weight

because full grown stegos are only 500kg out of range of it

or if deino could get a better bite force

500 is pretty low for a croc

[grave veldt]

well full grown deino can take half its weight and down

stego weighs 6 tons so it would need to increase a lot

a tug of war system tho would be good

[meager oyster]

in evrima stego only gets up to 4500 kg, doesn't it?

[grave veldt]

not anymore

they changed it to 6 tons now

[meager oyster]

eugh

[grave veldt]

accordingly to the irl weights/sizes

[meager oyster]

guess they haven't updated the wiki in a minute

[grave veldt]

just use nova's charts

[thin herald]

Never use Wikipedia

Or Isle Fandom Wiki

Both sources are bad

[grave veldt]

nova constantly updates things and hes reliable

[zenith vessel]

No it doesn't need a buff

[meager oyster]

I'm not saying a big buff. But high bite force is a defining feature of a crocodilian

[slim dragon]

High biteforce =/= high damage
In-game biteforce indication is an error itself

[alpine plover]

@stone flax

your idea is extra unneeded work

like why is it needed?

[meager oyster]

They don't have to really calculate water resistance, just make it a simple reduction of damage if x% of their tail is in water. I'd say 10-15% max damage reduction.

[alpine plover]

Accidentally emoji, sorry.

But why?

Like why is that needed

[meager oyster]

The amount of stegos just camping with their tail in the water waiting for deinos

[alpine plover]

but if the water is deep enough for the tail to be submerged in water then the deino can swim away

[slim dragon]

Reducing tail damage is not the right fix to it

[meager oyster]

That's what I"m assuming

[meager oyster]

There are places where you can't get away

[alpine plover]

just swim deeper

the water is deep enough for the stegos tail to be in it

[meager oyster]

Like where I was it was shallow water on one end and a dead end on the other

[slim dragon]

No he's right, there are places where deinos can't avoid stego attacks

[meager oyster]

so they're stuck there to starve/drown depending how much room there is

[alpine plover]

so then fix the map

improve rivers

[slim dragon]

yes

And fix deino hitboxes so that it can counterattack

That's all that's needed

[alpine plover]

Why not just solve the issue of shit river designs but fixing river designs

[slim dragon]

Maybe add tug-of-war too

[meager oyster]

well with jsut their tails in the water deino can't do much

I like the tug of war thing

They talked about that didn't they?

Stam battle or whatever

[slim dragon]

It was initially planned for update 3

[alpine plover]

yeah but it likely wont come

they think its too difficult

[meager oyster]

I'd like to see wider rivers

[slim dragon]

From what I've heard difficulty isn't the problem

[meager oyster]

also deeper

[slim dragon]

The problem is that they have to make it entertaining

[meager oyster]

True

[slim dragon]

And not just waiting 2 minutes for the other dino to deplete its stamina

[meager oyster]

I think deino should be able to try to drag anything into the water but the prey should be be able to resist

[slim dragon]

If they did it this way, it may have been available for update 3. But it's been delayed because they have to think of a better way of doing it (and probably harder to program)

[alpine plover]

nah

[alpine plover]

I dont like that idea

[slim dragon]

Yes but it insta-loses against some things like camara or brachi

[meager oyster]

oh yeah of course

[alpine plover]

it should insta lose against things 7 tons and up

[meager oyster]

I can deal with that

[alpine plover]

That way it can tug of war its fellow pseudo mid tiers

[meager oyster]

7 tons opens a lot of possibilities

[alpine plover]

No I mean it stops at 7 tons

[meager oyster]

yeah

[alpine plover]

so most apexes are out of reach

[meager oyster]

full grown at least

I don't think they should be able to drag anything from any angel either. a stego with the tail to the water should be a no go

or trike from front

unless they want to try to add something like going for a leg or shit like that

[grave veldt]

trike is literally the ultimate deino repellent lol

[meager oyster]

But with everything going on I doubt they can put that much extra work into a single dino

[grave veldt]

like it can drink anywhere it wants

[meager oyster]

yeah

[modest carbon]

as it should

[grave veldt]

becuz its whole attack plan is the front area

[modest carbon]

deino should have no advantage over trike anywhere

[meager oyster]

but as it turns to walk away shoudl be able to grab it

assuming it's small enough

trike is a thicc boy

[grave veldt]

trike is pretty thicc

7800 kg i believe

[meager oyster]

like 12 tons ye?

I might be thinking cama

[grave veldt]

even anky while being small is literally just a tank so

[meager oyster]

Because of how

idk the word

flat?

anky is deino should be able to try to grab it

small head and what not

[grave veldt]

its over 7 tons tho

even the head is armored

[meager oyster]

I think that's where bite force should come in

ability to pierce armored hide and hold

[grave veldt]

u can give that to something like rex

[meager oyster]

deino was estimated to have up to twice the bite force of rex

[grave veldt]

deino already has lunge and is semi aquatic its a very niche playstyle

they cant give deino 1500 bite force

[meager oyster]

oh no

Rex currently has what 1200?

Been a minute since I"ve played legacy

[grave veldt]

well in legacy it had 1200

[meager oyster]

yeah idk what it will have in this verison

[grave veldt]

gonna wait n see stats r adjusted anyways over time

[meager oyster]

I don't think "historical" estimations should be the end all be all, but a guide with considerations for balance

I like the 7 ton cut off

[grave veldt]

honestly irl bite forces dont actually equate to real dmg

look at crocs for example

sure they got the highest bite force in any animal living now

[meager oyster]

but the actual damage from a bite is underwhelming

[grave veldt]

but because its teeth are connical instead of crushing things to death it drown them

[meager oyster]

yeah

[grave veldt]

honestly just give deino fractures

[meager oyster]

but a good bite from a fullsized croc could break a bone

yeah

that's be nice

or deathroll as a control

try to break it like that

they probably couldn't add dismemberment

physics are already kinda touchy

yeah

so if we could make deathroll a control or if just swinging your head back and forth could cause more damage that'd be interesting to test

even if it just adds extra bleed

and not straight up damage

[stone flax]

@alpine plover not much woek. just make it do reduced dmg when swining in water.

just simply it is dumb and our reasoning that deinos can just "swim away" is your answer to everything deino vs stego related. if you take a spikey bat and try to swing it throug the water it will be hard.

this way stegos cant just nonchanantly swing thier tails into the water trying to kill things cus it wont dmg as much.

@meager oyster and yeh lord we need a dethroll thats like the crocs main thing

[sinful cove]

Is the gay nesting suggestion serious or a joke i honestly can't tell these days

[slim dragon]

Don't ask and just put an ❌ on it

[dim radish]

Probably some legacy stuff, where a pack of female utahs litters port with babies

[grave veldt]

wait hold on what

gay nesting?

not even gonna comment on that feedback post

gonna presume it was a joke

[alpine plover]

you know, at this point it may not even be a joke.

[grave veldt]

[sinful cove]

In this day and age that suggestion may very well be dead serious lmao

[grave veldt]

"balance feedback"

[sinful cove]

lol thinking stego is actually busted

[grave veldt]

bruh

lol

its literally a snail

[sinful cove]

Wanting stego to have to charge its easily baitable snd dodgable attack and cost more stam so he is easier for braindead utahs to kill

[grave veldt]

stego is already underpowered as it is for balance

how about sum real issues like deinos hitboxes or pounce doing way too much bleed

[sinful cove]

Stego is only really strong against deino and utah and carno fuck deino up on land too

[grave veldt]

stego and carno is fun now since u cant bite the tail

[sinful cove]

Hitboxes and narrow/shallow water is kinda an issue

Stego itself aint

[grave veldt]

theres ppl out there who enjoy stego as it is rn

enjoying a dino urself is opinion based tbh

but stego still needs more utility

especially out in the open plains

where it should be excelling

a moving tail swipe would help a lot

[sinful cove]

Steg needs a sweep attack that deals less damage but covers more area and be able to slap while walking/trotting yeah

[grave veldt]

^^^^ this

[quick anchor]

^^^^

[grave veldt]

also no pounce zones should rly be a thing

weird how a utah can pounce a carno face for example and boom its on its side

[sinful cove]

Pounce should just not be socketed handholding “oh you pounced on the tail? Lemme teleport you where you were supposed to pounce”

[grave veldt]

yea exactly it should require aim

[sinful cove]

It is a powerful ability it shouldnt be socketed lol

[wheat field]

Ayo what’s this gay nesting shit?

[grave veldt]

lol

just ignore that

[sinful cove]

God knows

[grave veldt]

idk if its a joke but ignore it

for ur own sanity

[wheat field]

I hope that suggestions burns like California in my Profile Picture

[sinful cove]

Lmao

Kinda wanna ping him and ask wtf but he offline

[rapid bison]

I watched a video that was of the very beginning of evrima and it makes 0 sense (to me at least) that they decided to remove the feature of staying where you landed your pounce

[grave veldt]

yea i liked that feature a lot

actually required skill

[slim dragon]

Wasn't the pounce socket made because staying where you landed was buggy ?

[wheat field]

They just appear offline

[grave veldt]

yea it was def buggy at the time

[wheat field]

Cause your not their friend

[grave veldt]

but being able to pounce where ever u wish with one button is cheap

[sinful cove]

If a utah pounces a predator's face or something it should just get munched, hopefully the socket now is just a placeholder while they fix it

[grave veldt]

like if a utah pounces a stegos face it shouldnt just randonly teleport to the side

[slim dragon]

Unlatchable areas would be the best

[grave veldt]

it should either cancel the pounce or add a new animation for the face

[sinful cove]

It bleeds out a stego after 2 complete pounces, no idea how fast a carno gets it, it should be higher risk

[slim dragon]

Would also open up to ungrabbable areas, like an anky's back or a trike's head for deino

[grave veldt]

anky in general should be unprounceable tbh

[sinful cove]

Anky back could be grabbable but just waste the utah's stam lol

[grave veldt]

i mean where is the utah gonna latch on

even if it can pounce it anky is getting an armor mechanic

so

[rapid bison]

is utah able to land a pounce on a carno's tail?

[grave veldt]

since tail physics isnt in i dont think it can

half way up the tail tho u can pounce it

[sinful cove]

Slow ass animals like stego (and most herbis compared to utah) shouldnt be punished by having the game socket a utah that pounced on their tail get placed onto their side

[grave veldt]

^

[sinful cove]

Slower predators too which will be most of them

[grave veldt]

this isnt just like a stego issue its an overall issue

rex will have the same problem

giga spino etc

[slim dragon]

When I say ungrabbable for Anky's back, I'm not talking about the pounce

[sinful cove]

Yeah utah controls the engagement already and pounce is strong af when it lands, dont punish other dinos if the idiot raptor misses lmao

[wheat field]

Wondering if general needs a deino suggestion to spice things up

[sinful cove]

Suggest deino 50000 bite force and full fracture

That seems reasonable

[grave veldt]

we already got someone suggesting gay nesting

[sinful cove]

Lmao

[grave veldt]

i think thats enough spice

[wheat field]

Spicy

[stark knoll]

dont flamebait

[wheat field]

Not flame baiting it is a genuine suggestion but deino suggestions always get flamed

So I guess in a way deino suggestions are flame baiting in itself

[stark knoll]

the way you phrased it made it sound a lot like intentional bait

[sinful cove]

Ah ha, deino should burrow and stick his head up out of the ground and break the legs of anyone who walks over him

You have given me this grand idea

[wheat field]

Stealth 100 Deino

[stark knoll]

deino beartrap niche

[grave veldt]

lmfao ppl rly said pls on the gay nesting suggestion u gotta be joking

[wheat field]

He reacted to his own suggestion saying PLS

[grave veldt]

[sinful cove]

Its gotta be a joke lmao

[grave veldt]

100% joke theres now way

[wheat field]

Lets be real, with how the world is slowly turning it is possible

[sinful cove]

Just gonna screen it to add to the collection with mild diarrhea, giga shark and utah oneshotting pachy

[grave veldt]

lol

[stark knoll]

youre walking on ice, joker

if you think the suggestion is flamebait, dont take it

[grave veldt]

utah one shotting pachy? who said that

[stark knoll]

if you dont agree, just x it

[sinful cove]

One sec

[grave veldt]

some suggestions r real strange ngl

[wheat field]

There are more Deino Nerfers than expected

[sinful cove]

#general-feedback message

[wheat field]

The amount of Xs

[stark knoll]

i dont think anything should 1shot within its general size range

[rapid bison]

the 2 sides of a coin, pachy should one shot utah and utah should one shot pachy

[wheat field]

There’s a gun reaction?

[grave veldt]

they rly put o3o lol omg

[stark knoll]

ye we have a gun emoji

[wheat field]

They put a cross on it

[grave veldt]

isle discord is now officially cancelled

[sinful cove]

That guy was nuts thinkin utah should oneshot something slower than it thats the same size lmao

[grave veldt]

"they were a weak small herbivore"

[tender violet]

are they ever going to fix the glitch where if somthing hits you of as a utah on a tree or somthing you flout in air for a bit

[grave veldt]

i thought thats been fixed guess not

[wheat field]

I would agree with the location dmg part if Pachy didn’t have a thick ass skull

[stark knoll]

pachy should take greatly reduced head damage tbh

[grave veldt]

oh yea utah should actually do less dmg to the head imo

^^^ what super said

[wheat field]

#general-feedback message

You dream came true

[stark knoll]

yeyeye

that was before i was on qa even lol

[sinful cove]

#general-feedback message

I partially got my dream

[stark knoll]

just cross your fingers for a good ragdoll/physics system to be integrated in the future

[crystal wharf]

look, after seeing tenontos and carnos yeet baby stegos off cliffs with cc attacks, its becoming all the more possible

[sinful cove]

Imagine headbutting a dryo into a lake and a deino eats it

Would be hilarious, i want this some day

[rapid bison]

noooo don't use a dryo as example i'm crying and shaking rn

[grave veldt]

lol

[tender violet]

ugh i want to play on the dumb qa server but every time i grow something it deletes it i have lost 6 utahs and 3 deinos i just gave up

[crystal wharf]

you can already do this actually, minus the lake

[alpine plover]

your suggestion is still stupid

its much less work to just simply fix rivers that benefit everything, then just target one specific situation that would be fixed

…. By reworking rivers

you probably didnt think your suggestion through, but the obvious solution is to simply not make rivers so campable

and why would “water resistance” effect stegos tail that much? What position is the tail in?

Just say you think that stegos camping rivers is dumb instead of using “wAtEr rEsiStAnCE” as a argument

[stone flax]

@alpine plover sigh i already explained why water resistance would affect a stego tail or a tail in general.

Shove a bat or something halfway down in water and try to swing it back and fourth. You get way less power.

But you just dont seem to want to understand anything i explain to you so just forget it im not having another hour long discussion with you. You stego rex main

[wheat field]

This seems bias

[alpine plover]

But how?

What position is stegos tail in

Stego stabs things with its tail, and it puts a LOT of force into it, the end of its tail being in a tiny bit of water making it that much weaker is dumb and unrealistic

[wheat field]

Technically it wouldn’t matter cause swishing through water surface in general would significantly reduce speed which in turn reduces damage

[alpine plover]

also why would you want a realistic mechanic like water resistance in a fantasy dinosaur game?

[lament cloak]

a stab has MUCH less water resitance in water than a swing, and guess what our stego does.

[alpine plover]

I disagree

[wheat field]

Punching water has the same effect

[alpine plover]

no it doesn’t

and we’re talking about a stegosaurus here, not some wimpy human

also his suggestion is still just bad in general

[lament cloak]

punching water your using the entire surface area of your hand, try stabbing something in the water with a fork. there is hardly any water resistance

[alpine plover]

why not just FIX rivers instead of putting some bandaid fix for “realism” that isnt even realistic

[wheat field]

I mean you could use this mechanic in general it doesn’t specifically apply to stego

[alpine plover]

what else would it apply to? kentro?

[golden coral]

Why is it so hard to just say that if you're in deep water, every attack that cost stamina takes double the amount. This way it's not stego specific, and shouldn't matter because really, nothing should fight in that area. Except maybe semiaquatics, but even then they could either be on land, or in the water. Do deinos even have the deep water effect for that matter?

[stone flax]

@lament cloak yes i know it stabs. The spikes wont feel any resistance but thw tail they are attached to will if its shoved down into the watef up to its ass

[lament cloak]

the tail itself is still pretty darn streamlined

[wheat field]

Could range from dinos who bite in water to dinos who have tails and can hit things in water while on land but this is my interpretation of @stone flax suggestion so don’t heat up because I said it

[alpine plover]

biting?

what?

What animal is so low to the ground that it can bite inside water?

[stone flax]

@alpine plover all terrestrial dinos with swing attack i guess. Anky stego kentro sauropods that swing tail. Any attack that is not a stab or bite i guess

[alpine plover]

But why add it

[wheat field]

Well animals move their lower jaw when biting down so the movement up could reduce the speed as water enters and quickly leaves the mouth upon biting 🤷🏽‍♂️

[alpine plover]

Also why only terrestrial animals?

[stone flax]

@lament cloak yeh if the tip is hitting the water but as i said if its tail is shoved into the water up to its ass

[wheat field]

Does that really need to be asked

[alpine plover]

But not a single animal is so low to the ground that it can do this ( wrong ping)

[stone flax]

@alpine plover beacuse what aquatic animal stabs or slashes....

[alpine plover]

spino

sucho

bary

austro

beipi

[alpine plover]

yes, im curious

[wheat field]

All semi-aquatic and equipped for Shallow River combat not deep sea fishing

[alpine plover]

what does that have to do with water resistance

[stone flax]

@alpine plover dude they use bite mainly and for spino and sucho arms will be used for catching fish when wading in water not in water. In water they use mouth

[wheat field]

Literally nothing your comparison is irrelevant

[alpine plover]

Source on that?

[alpine plover]

But if you’re going to add something for realism you cant be unrealistic with it

I can see spino slashing shit underwater @stone flax

[stone flax]

@alpine plover use your brain? Why would austro sucho and spino try to reach out with thier arms underwater to grab fish when they can just use thier mouth

[wheat field]

Exactly

[alpine plover]

I meant for attacking

[wheat field]

They would use that in shallow rivers

[alpine plover]

wait whats your point?

Why wouldnt semi aquatics not be effected by water resistance

[wheat field]

Dio are you trolling?

[alpine plover]

is he trolling

[wheat field]

Like genuinely

[alpine plover]

why would you say that?

[stone flax]

And claws are cuts through water.

Also why would sucho and spino slap underwater? Thats dumb.. they are gonna use arms to fight on land or fish in wading water

Yep he is.

[golden coral]

@stone flax It should apply for any terrestial attack done in deep water that costs stamina, nothing more, nothing less. Simple and fair to all! :p

[wheat field]

Im out i refuse to believe he is serious, no point in arguing with someone who wants to troll

[alpine plover]

so claws can cut through water but thagomziers cant?

[stone flax]

This is what i mean every damm time i try explaining something to this guy he just ignores all facts and stuff and just keeps going

[alpine plover]

[stone flax]

@alpine plover no enough im not gonna feed a troll anymore im going to bed

[alpine plover]

what did I do?

[stone flax]

Goodnight Stego rex main

[quick anchor]

This was fun to watch

[golden coral]

Hey now, don't insult stego mains because you disagree with someone.. :p

[alpine plover]

stego is based

[sinful cove]

Dio has defeated yet another opponent I see

[stone flax]

Not stego mains. Just stego rex mains. Those people who were rex mains on legacy and now picked the strongest dino in evrima and runs around killing stuff

[quick anchor]

His mental prowess is legendary

[alpine plover]

But I don’t play rex

[alpine plover]

But I do a little KOSING

[golden coral]

Ah, fair enough. Not a fan of those people myself, you should play a critter because you enjoy it/the playstyle, not because of power or something.

[sinful cove]

To be completely fair, there isnt much else to do at the moment aside from KFS

[alpine plover]

(secretly plays rex )

[stone flax]

@sinful cove no im just tired off him i can literally do anything else than argue with a random person on the internet. I just though he needed an explination but of course he was just trolling

[quick anchor]

He’s not?

[stone flax]

@golden coral indeed.

[quick anchor]

He made good points that would fix it for all dinos

Instead of having to implement an entirely new mechanic

[grave veldt]

Yk if u just make the rivers better with deeper and wider spots it fixes everything

[sinful cove]

Also if deino could snare bite while swimming it'd be neat. So many things that can help deino that have nothing to do with upping its bite force or nerfing stego

[grave veldt]

For the love of god don’t nerf stego lol

Also just give deino the lunge as it’s alt right click

Or add something like if u hold alt left click u grab the Dino who’s swimming

[sinful cove]

juvie utahs and other people have been abusing deino's weird collision hitbox (or rather lack thereof) to attack the center of its body a lot, the devs probably know its there

[grave veldt]

Yea

It’s physics need to be extended

Carnos can literally be inside u

[silver wigeon]

I wonder when austro will be modelled.. 🤟😔

[grave veldt]

Soon hopefully

Around a year maybe

[crystal wharf]

@tender violet then dont get hit by something more than 3x your size

[lament cloak]

@tender violet thats kinda the point, utah is supposed to be high risk, high reward. and bork makes a good point to not get hit by something 3x your size

[sinful cove]

Mmm yes more room temperature IQ nerf stego suggestions

[dim radish]

Ima throw the word a p e x into this chat and leave

[wheat field]

Ima just throw 600N into the chat

[bleak dragon]

game is super fun but holy crap will it ever recover from the mix packing and overpacking

[hollow canyon]

@wheat field You like to live dangerously, don't you?

[alpine shadow]

Guys the cannibalism is just too much... every deino is killing small deinos because of no food. It's horrible to grow one...

[slim dragon]

The only solution is playing something else

[wide tulip]

HOW CAN A STEGO BEAT MY WATER LIZARD

HOW

I HAVE BIG TEETH AND LARGE MOUTH?!

[lament cloak]

ikr, its not like stego has meter long tail spikes that it can thrust into my brain. those are definitly not there.

[wheat field]

I mean technically Deino is just the same, but with a bite could crush a stegos skull in one bite killing it, but hey thats just me 😅

[dim radish]

“I don't want to die from a meter long spike going through my head but my crocroach should one shot the spiky lizard when it bites its toes!“

[lament cloak]

i mean sure, if the croc is allowed to oneshot stegos tiny head then stego should oneshot anything if it hits their head

good luck hitting the stegos peanut sized head though

[wheat field]

I mean devs aren’t gonna let it happen I generally sense Stego and Deino are Pseudo Apexes(STEGO IS NOT AN APEX) since they are in the same area they aren’t gonna let either one shot the other

[lament cloak]

the game isnt balanced by a tier system. and for the record stego has to be able to fight rex, gigas, and spinos since it is almost certainly going to be slower

slower than at least rex and giga, and by the looks of spinos run animation slower than that too

[grave veldt]

Again I hate explaining this but it doesn’t matter if stego is an apex or not

It’s slower then Rex and most likely giga and even spino

And if it doesn’t have the means to reliably defend itself from them it’s gonna be fodder

Some ppl say “it should be able to try and retreat and make the Rex think twice about attacking”

But this is horrible due to the fact that this stuff doesn’t work

U have to be able to kill the other creature attacking u if ur slower then it otherwise they’ll just charge u and kill u

[slim dragon]

Stego has the advantage of only explosing their back to their opponent, so they don't risk being hit in the head by a large predator
So it might be weaker than a rex but still be able to reliably beat one in a fair fight

On the opposite, rex with its massive head is practically sure to get hit there

[grave veldt]

But on the opposite tho rex is Heavier with more hp and slightly more mobile

It’ll probably get some kind of crushing ability as well

[slim dragon]

You need to be more that being "slightly more mobile" to be able to turn around an animal back to you and get to their head

[grave veldt]

Well we can’t rly assume anything rn as it’s not in game and don’t know how mobile it will rly be

[slim dragon]

All I think this kind of match-up needs is a stagger mechanic. This way, if rex gets hit to the head, it can't instantly retaliate with a bite that'd do more damage.

[grave veldt]

That works

It’s like teno vs carno actually

Although can they do CC only for one specific match up?

[slim dragon]

Deosn't need to be to one specific match-up

I don't know how their stun mechanic currently works, I think it's a matter of weight

[grave veldt]

Well rex is heavier then stego so

Weight won’t be in its favor

[slim dragon]

I'm thinking stagger can work with health
If you take more than 20% of your max health in a single hit, you are staggered.

Simple but effective, and I don't think it's abusable

[grave veldt]

That’s an interesting idea actually

[lament cloak]

rex is exactly the type of animal that stego is strong against, add on top of the fact that stego will most likely be slower then you have an animal that is at least on par with rex, if not stronger

[grave veldt]

Tbf the slower animal should have the advantage in a 1v1 as the Faster animal is the one who dictates if the fight will even happen in the first place

Goes for anky stego shant trike etc

[modest carbon]

That actually sounds like a really good idea :o

[slim dragon]

I suggested it a really long time ago but people told me it was planned

[grave veldt]

Well If it’s planned then that’s good

[cosmic hamlet]

@modest carbon are you a dev? Not the only that looks these channels, hopefully

[modest carbon]

..what? no Im not a dev

[cosmic hamlet]

Your name suggests

[modest carbon]

how..? My name isn't red, because I dont have a dev role, as I am not a dev

[cosmic hamlet]

There's #teamfoszor behind it

[wheat field]

He’s obviously new

[modest carbon]

#teamfoszor is in support of a dev who is battling cancer

I wish I had enough talent to be even close to being on a dev team 😅

[cosmic hamlet]

Oww, didn't see that

I'm not very long on discord indeed

[modest carbon]

👍 thas okay

[cosmic hamlet]

What's so trolling about my suggestion tho?

[modest carbon]

Im just not sure whats it suggesting

is it just an info post? because, okay

[cosmic hamlet]

It's some of my thoughts. Not very specific maybe, but I hope it helps the isle to get what it belongs to be

[modest carbon]

Well diets are definitely planned already, and when the maps shift and change theres gonna be more of a migration ground idea towards it. As for looking around, there is an alt key to look around them so there isn't a great need for speedlock,

Overall I think utah pounce just needs to be visited again, but other than that its the steggies fault from dying towards utahs or carnos

[civic moth]

I agree that Deino doesn't need of a buff

just

fix its hit box

like you can travel its whole body

and abuse of that

[grave veldt]

It’s physics needs major fixing too

U can literally be like inside of it

[civic moth]

yes

you can

its ridiculous

[grave veldt]

The collision is extreme small

[civic moth]

also unpopular opinion : Utah should have less health.

1000 hp

[grave veldt]

Is too much imo

[civic moth]

it doesn't need that much

[grave veldt]

I’d like 750 or under

[civic moth]

500/600 enough

[grave veldt]

Yes

[civic moth]

I did some stats suggestion in the channel I think

[grave veldt]

Carno take a whole hour more to grow and yet it only has 1000 more hp

[civic moth]

and without multiplicators it looked kind of balanced

[spare badger]

Utah needs like 750 health

[grave veldt]

750 and under is what it needs 1000 is not needed

[civic moth]

Hypsilophodon :

20 HP
1 DMG

Pteranodon :

100 HP
10 DMG

Dryosaurus :

120 HP
10 DMG

Utahraptor :

500 HP
100 DMG (LMB) ; 75 DPS (LMB)

Tenontosaurus :

1500 HP
75 DMG (LMB) ; 230 DMG (Alt + LMB) ; 200 DMG (RMB) ; 400 DMG (Alt + RMB)

Carnotaurus :

1800 HP
250 DMG (LMB) ; 150 DMG (RMB)

Stegosaurus :

6000 HP
75 DMG (LMB) ; 1100 DMG (RMB and full swing)

Deinosuchus :

7000 HP
500 DMG (LMB) ; 500 (RMB but no multiplier)

there it is

it is not in game stats

but that's what i would suggest

[spare badger]

Stego can't one shot Utah with a body shot, which doesn't make sense cause stego impales the Utah

[civic moth]

Anyway Deino hunting Stegos on land or drinking ones are a no no

[grave veldt]

Actually body and head shots r one shot for stego the issue is the base of the tail hit box is rly large

So a lot of time u’ll hit that and it will not kill them

[civic moth]

Stego could even one shot Cerato so not one shotting an animal with thagomizers as long as Trike's horns doesn't make senses

[grave veldt]

Personally this should be a one shot too

[civic moth]

Also

please

give

Stego

a

swing

[grave veldt]

Fax

[civic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616505807785164801/825395656729821194/image0.gif

[grave veldt]

Actually I think dondi said it wants stego to have one too

[civic moth]

WHY

[grave veldt]

A moving swing when

[civic moth]

Swing doing also knockback

swing while walking and possibly trotting with less range

🧠

[spare badger]

In Needs crowd control

[grave veldt]

^^^^^

[spare badger]

Give it half power

But give it SOMETHING

[civic moth]

Stego is actually underpowered in the current game

but

with the current roster

it is alright

[spare badger]

Utah packs wreck steg

[grave veldt]

I’m still confused on who thought a jab looked ok

[modest carbon]

stego swing should have cc

[grave veldt]

Yes

[modest carbon]

less bleed and overall dmg than a jab and more of a knockback swing

[spare badger]

Or an alt attack that is like PoT Stego swing

[civic moth]

ignore cringe music
https://youtu.be/EgO1tByMk0s?t=32

[spare badger]

Swings tail behind it

[grave veldt]

I’d say give stego an alt lmb and rmb in which it’s a swing that does less dmg costs the same stam as a jab but u can move while doing it

Alt lmb is for left side and vice versa

[bold ridge]

imo stego stab should do more damage but have a smaller hitbox, while the swing hits a much larger area and does less damage

[civic moth]

https://youtu.be/eUdcrYvhJr8?t=78

I feel like

it should be reverse

[modest carbon]

getting cc when pouncing and the stego swings should have serious knockback and drain your stamina completely

mirroring getting the wind knocked out of you

[grave veldt]

No pounce zones need to be a thing

[civic moth]

Stab :

short range attack
do less damages
higher bleed
quicker to execute

Swipe :

larger range
more damages
knockback
longer to execute

possible to use while walking and trotting but lose force and range but kind of faster (less than stab).

[spare badger]

I do think they should've added kentro instead

[grave veldt]

It’s actually ridiculous how a Utah can pounce wherever it wishes

Yes kentro would’ve been so much better

[civic moth]

I completely agree with that

but

I feel like doing a small tier only ecosystem is kind of a mess

[grave veldt]

Hard to balance an apex tier if not pseudo apex tier animal with. Only smaller dinos

[civic moth]

they could have done otherwise

and

[spare badger]

If a Utah pounces the spikes it should die

[grave veldt]

^

Kinda like how they showed the stream where it pounces the trike horns

[civic moth]

I hope that with Roadmap rework after update 3 we will see bigger animals like Para, Dibble, Trike, Rex, Allo appearing on it.

[spare badger]

I want para in soon

[grave veldt]

Para should come in with allo imo

[bold ridge]

small tiers only is stupid, but small tiers FIRST is good

I agree that introducing small things first is a better way to get people to play them

[spare badger]

They needed sucho in this update imo

[bold ridge]

sucho is way too large

without enough restriction to warrant its addition

[grave veldt]

And deino isn’t?

[bold ridge]

deino is HEAVILY restricted

sucho isn't quite so restricted

[grave veldt]

Sure but it’s still 8 tons

[bold ridge]

it doesn't oneshot utah

[grave veldt]

It’s quite a large thing to add

[bold ridge]

it is pretty large, but it doesn't function outside of water

[grave veldt]

It does technically u can actually one shot the entire roster except stego

[bold ridge]

that's with lunge

assuming you can even grab it

[grave veldt]

Yes that’s the main feature