balance-feedback-discussion

[cobalt dagger]

This is how much hp I lost.

And thats with brainless biting in your direction

You out played me, you baited me, you bit after I missed

[junior jay]

Lemme restart isle it bugged

[cobalt dagger]

But it doesn't matter, allo has better stats, better speed, better bite, and you can't run away.

[junior jay]

Remember i got 80 ping and i havent played In 2 weeks

Both of those matter a lot In a fight

[cobalt dagger]

Well I offered to test. You did it really well though, you stayed just out of range and only went in after I missed and abused my turn radius

I don't know what else you could have done better.

If you got more distance than what you did I would have just ran up and closed the distance.

[junior jay]

Ran into couple of ur Alt bites

[cobalt dagger]

Yeah because my bite speed is so fast that even if you come in after I miss you'll get bit on the way out.

Allo has MACHINE GUN BITES

[junior jay]

Not with alts

So do i go cera again Or?

[cobalt dagger]

Left-right side alts do way more damage and go much faster.

We can try again yeah but hold on ebcause I also crashed from the server

[junior jay]

Alr

[cobalt dagger]

This is the hp I lost

[junior jay]

The speed wasnt really the problem

[cobalt dagger]

It would be if you tried to run

[junior jay]

It was More that 100 elders take More dmg

[cobalt dagger]

They don't

[junior jay]

They do

[cobalt dagger]

They have the same hp and cera hp actually goes up

Your weight is your hp

[junior jay]

Yes same weight less dmg reduction

Ive done the math before

[cobalt dagger]

I really hope someone reads this later and helps out, they really don't have less damage reduction/there is no damage reduction on things unless specified

They just have their weights

But I do have to go now, my 30 minutes is almost up.

[junior jay]

Ok

But they do have negative dmg reductions which makes them take More dmg

[cobalt dagger]

I also bit you like, 20 times though, so damage reduction or not I was nibbling your tail which would happen no matter what because you can't run

[junior jay]

Ur tail shots werent hitting on my screen i blame that 1 on ping

[cobalt dagger]

175 bite force - cut in half for the tail - mean 87 dmg

[cosmic pelican]

That used to be a thing during the hordetest, then was luckily removed

[junior jay]

doesnt feel like it at all

sigh.. gotta test again

[inner fulcrum]

do ya'll think allo could get a rework, where it would become more agile when turning while running but have way worse bite speed(something like sligtly better than rex) + worse alt speed? idk about anyone opinion on this but i feel like it would be way better to make it so allo is the carni that can be a danger to apexes but struggle a bit with hunting smaller prey, because right now i think its mostly a facetank dino, there is rarely a point in playing strategically when you can just stand in place spam bites and hope your opponent dies first, i think that allo intention was to kill apexes/bigger prey because it got pounce in the first place that rn people use to just kill everything smaller because it barely works on smth like a rex bc of its agility

[bitter iris]

Ya as of now allo is pretty bad against apexes from Rex rmb, agility, speed, and just being able to run while pounce and instantly kill allo once he dismounts. I am about to suggest something to give allo another attack that’s ment only for apexes which I hope can fix the issue.

[inner fulcrum]

yeah entirely new attack for apex would be prety nice, probably pounce is staying bc there is already animation for it but they could make it so its way less effective on small tiers and works good for like mid tier herbis or bigger carnis, and when going against an apex by doing pounce allo does some other move that maybe doesn't kill it when it dismounts i think that could be good and somewhat realistic

[bitter iris]

This is what I had in mind lmk what you think

Isn’t allo ment to be a large game hunter (in a group)? As of now he is not. I suggest that first you nerf Rexes speed of alt rmb, it is too fast and practically makes anything smaller not be able to hunt Rex. As of now he has no predators which makes sense for real life but not for the balance of the game and reduce his speed.

Okay now for allo, I suggest a new attack purely for the purpose of hunting big game. Some may say that’s what’s pounce is used for and it is hard to balance without it being super powerful for allos own weight tier and he can just turn in circles when pounced and once the allo dismounts he can kill them.

I think that giving him a powerful move that costs a lot of stamina so once they once the attack they can rest while their team distracts (10-30% stam). The move should have a long standing build up and should be easily canceled by contact. It should have a slight stun so it can get away after the hit (not enough to get more hits in). It should have little damage compared to its bleed.

With this allo should also get some slight nerfs like attack speed and some to pounce/pin, fix his grapple math. The animation below is a not used and could work for this attack. This is not top priority and if implemented it should be added after bugs and other balances are fixed.

[inner fulcrum]

yeah i think that'd be great, personally i only think allo bite speed could get a rebalance where it hits more like a rex, but instead of doing dmg it does bleed but with that new attack it wouldn't probably need that, only a small bite speed nerf to make it killable would be enought bc claw swipe and that attack would already be that slow but strong hit

[bitter iris]

Btw is the clip of the allo animation sending?

[inner fulcrum]

yeah

[timber tusk]

Thats not… you stand on the rock and press LMB to attack… Am I crazy? I’m gonna try that, and if you’re right, I’m gonna have words for somebody somewhere???

[dusky surge]

a move that costs 10-30% of allo's stam, forces it to stand still for the build up and does stun would be worthless against apexes (or basically anything)

it would not synergise with allo's kit at all

[bitter iris]

I dont know how else to make an apex only move. I mean the idea was to charge up after a bait and stun so the apex cant attack right after the move. 10-30% stam i explained (30% is too high but 15-10 would work in my opinion). the charge is there to try to make it only against apexes. allos kit doesn't already synergize tbf

[dusky surge]

i don't see how it'd make any sense for allo having a move that can stun creatures over 3x its size

[bitter iris]

that is fair and could use work defiantly. do you have ideas to make it work?

[dusky surge]

i think adding a move like that inherently isn't going to work, and if you wanted a move to "work against apexes", that's literally what pounce is there for

[bitter iris]

that doesnt work though thats the issue.

maybe nerfs to rex can fix that but as of now allos can not hunt big game

also I think allo would benefit heavily from a kit increase

[finite shadow]

Bad allos can’t hunt big game, anyone who has a brain doesn’t struggle

[bitter iris]

how? a rex can just turn in a circle when pounce by an allo for a easy kill and stegos attack speed is super good against them.

[bitter iris]

I would love to see clips if you got any/youtube videos

[bitter iris]

and btw im not asking for an allo buff just slight rework to allow it to hunt apexes\

[finite shadow]

https://youtu.be/zbXM8_cDS50?si=H1e6ay41c11mFp1d

[bitter iris]

ill give it a watch

[finite shadow]

I haven’t been able to play in a few months but in deathmatch fights I’ve killed Rex’s with other players

Those fights are all solo as I’m a loser with no friends tho

[bitter iris]

ok watched the vid, where those prime stegos? there plates looked prime but size didnt. Also im mostly am talking about rex but again it could just be a rex nerf. (still think allo should have an increase to his kit tho)

[timber tusk]

Yeah dropping clams from above does not open them. I tried it on several different rocks and from different heights.
You stand on the rock and LMB attack while it’s in your mouth, the way it’s been since they were added. I don’t know what he was talking about??

I can’t remember if this bug only happens with clams, or if it can happen with anything. I miss single-vertical-leap-takeoff. 🤷‍♀️

[finite shadow]

The big one was around 4.5t, Rex needs a turn speed nerf imo

[bitter iris]

he needs a speed and a rmb speed nerf

[timber tusk]

I’ve never seen anyone say anything about it, but male and female Stegos have distinct plate shapes. Females are longer and pointier. No idea if that’s it, but it’s a neat thing.

[bitter iris]

ah cool more dinos should have differing model disigns like that

[hasty coyote]

It’s because that was likely the case irl. It was found that male stegos had larger and rounded plates, while females had smaller and more angular plates. As far as I know the study hasnt been disputed yet either (so it’s not like spino who goes through a redesign every other month). Though in game, the females have the larger plates for whatever reason.

[viscid mica]

No fly up high up and drop it on a rock

Like legit drop it

[forest pivot]

@junior jay apart from rex turn radius everything else is honestly correct, real rexes could do a 180 at will, this mf needs an alt bite or directional muzzle swing for that, which won't save you in a 1v1 against a trike or different rex, so I don't see the benefit of changing it, it would turn out as dilo treatment but worse

I would never fear a rex if it's turn radius would be even worse

[junior jay]

so uh which of my conversations are you talking about

[forest pivot]

this one

dryo goes from 50kmph+ to 39.6 at 100% btw

idk how nobody gives the goat attention

[junior jay]

turn radius needs a nerf its turning almost fast as a cera

[forest pivot]

I cannot relate to that

a cera would be kinda cooked tho if it is ambushed

[junior jay]

well 90% of the community can

[forest pivot]

a strange community it is

[junior jay]

reason why rex is op cause if your a diablo for example its faster than you has better stam regen and better turn radius you cant run away from it you cant fight back cause of the pin you cant juke it cause of the turn radius

[forest pivot]

pretty valid

although it's still the player's fault to be ambushed in the first place, the point of an ambush being to stop the other party from getting away with little to no difficulty

[junior jay]

diablo doesnt even have to get ambush it gets walked down by rex

[forest pivot]

well that is if you are being tracked, aslong as there is a forest there is a way to get away

I gtg for now tho

[dusky surge]

i genuinely don't know where this comes from, it's very provably untrue

[junior jay]

"almost"

while running

[dusky surge]

out of everything broken with rex, its trot, agility and stam regen are fine

i'd be more worried about its insanely broken prime speed, ridiculous hunger/thirst timers and murdersprint being beyond free

[junior jay]

so rex is perfect pvp wise

nothing needs to change

[dusky surge]

honestly? i genuinely think it's mostly fine in that regard (except for prime, that's disgusting)

prime needs a major speed nerf to be anything close to fair

[cosmic pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/1466491303729565696/5911981.MP4?ex=69b64934&is=69b4f7b4&hm=31834efa79c1cbcbf851662c259cb897de9371385d60e3d16053addd76f0be94&

[junior jay]

i dont get why the sprint speed is a problem its meant to be an ambusher

[dusky surge]

oh yes

and that

[cosmic pelican]

1t rex btw

Still runs 50kmh

[dusky surge]

why can an ambusher run down the entire roster easily in a chase

that's not ambush, that's just pursuit

[junior jay]

it cant chase down a carno

[dusky surge]

oh good

it can't chase down the single fastest thing in the game

i guess it's fine then lol

[indigo rain]

One second i have a really good example of how dumb that speed is

[junior jay]

it cant chase down galli

omni, maia, ptera, dilo, pachy,

[dusky surge]

i adore the fact you're listing "hypermobile speedsters" to justify rex being that fast

[indigo rain]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/lMZuTOIMxicFBs1-2?invite=cr-MSw0eE8sMjM4Njc2Njkx&v=134

[junior jay]

hypermobile (maia)

[indigo rain]

"ambush predator" - look at how far that sucker runs

[cosmic pelican]

Different stages of rex's life cycle all invalidate things in their own weightclass.
The 57kmh juvi pins and insantly kills every small tier it can catch.
The 3t subs murder sprint allows it to run 45kmh and do the exact same thing as the juvi, except to an allo, which can facetank it and win.
Adult rex is honestly decently balanced.
Then theres prime... oh good lord

[indigo rain]

this is also a good example of weight and how big something is not matching at ALL. that being 1 ton rex being smaller than dilo, and this rex clearly not being 1.6 tons but twice as big as me

[dusky surge]

maia is absolutely hypermobile

[junior jay]

doesnt load

[dusky surge]

especially prime maia

[indigo rain]

ill keep checking and lyk when it does for some reason its slow

[junior jay]

juvi and sub needs a speed nerf but i was talking about adult/prime

[dusky surge]

juvi and sub have fine speeds, prime needs a nerf

[junior jay]

💀 this guy

[cosmic pelican]

Oh yeah maia is super agile if you know how to drift

[dusky surge]

i genuinely can't believe you think prime rex is fine

prime rex, prime maia and prime carno are the holy trinity of being absurdly broken lmao

[indigo rain]

gyatt that is exactly why i dont play maia i cant drift im going to have to learn in a hurry when para gets in. that is cool to know though

[cosmic pelican]

Juvi would be okay if it didnt deal 350dmg in a pin yeah
Subs murder sprint has no excuse though, 40-45kmh sprint speed while pinning almost every mid tier is nuts

[junior jay]

if we want look at it like that then everything is agile but trike and galli

[dusky surge]

oh for sure, but that's a bug (that REALLY should get fixed)

[indigo rain]

this loads now!

also thank god teno's kick has a parry now i can't express how many times that thing has saved me from allo pounces or rex pins

[junior jay]

its kinda dumb they add parry to everything nowadays

[junior jay]

still not loading btw

[indigo rain]

i dont know why it isnt loading at this point

[dusky surge]

what else has parry

[junior jay]

carno and maia what did they do to you 😭

[indigo rain]

troo has parry on its pounce and that's the ONLY other thing i can think of

[bitter iris]

I like it. If you are able to play well then you should be rewarded. Also is practically just herbis who normally have to stand their ground so they need it

[indigo rain]

literally nothing has parry lol

[dusky surge]

oh, nothing, they're just disgustingly OP primes

[junior jay]

troodon, omni, allo, teno, pachy

[dusky surge]

like playing them is just free

[bitter iris]

Omni, allo, pachy?

[junior jay]

yes

[dusky surge]

good luck playing allo if a prime maia exists, or cera

[bitter iris]

Allo?????

[indigo rain]

pachy's parry has been broken since shortly after day 1

also yeah prime maia just deletes everything

[junior jay]

maia is pretty balanced rn

[indigo rain]

5 tons moving at, what, 50km with high dmg

[junior jay]

yall are looking at peak stats tho ur dino doesnt stay that way for long

[dusky surge]

it is exceptionally powerful, not enough people are talking about it because allo and rex are the big talks of the town

[indigo rain]

that doesnt change the fact that a player, if seen, has no response to it but death. the basic rules of balance dictate if you cant fight something you should be able to run from it

[junior jay]

it really isnt

[dusky surge]

just because it's temporarily broken doesn't make it less broken

[junior jay]

you can escape maia it has bad agility

[indigo rain]

uh- he just showed a video of it out turning an omni

[dusky surge]

a bad maia has bad agility, a good maia can easily get around that

[junior jay]

i never said it was broken

[dusky surge]

i know, it just is

[indigo rain]

convo going in circles just a bit regardless 😂 crap now i want to try and get that video to work aaaaa

[junior jay]

omni could have swiched to run other way, made a closer circle, run away and reset its the omni fault for not playing well

[indigo rain]

yes the omni made a mistake; the point I was making was that maia was making such tight circles it would be very hard to juke for anything else

for example cerato

[bitter iris]

Ya but omni v Maia isn’t the issue tho

[indigo rain]

an omni can outrun a maia this is true it is fine

[junior jay]

turn the other way maia has to stop slide and swich dirrection which takes time with maia

[junior jay]

maia is faster btw

[bitter iris]

Like this how broken prime speeds are a Maia can out run a carno can easily kill it if its a prime v prime elder fight. But mainly against cera and allo it’s strong

[junior jay]

maias stam is ass

[indigo rain]

with allo its more about who gets the hit off first tbh that thing does so much bleed. if the maia hits the allo and stuns it, maia wins

[junior jay]

and allo can facetank maia and win so

[indigo rain]

yes....i really hope that bug gets fixed...i have a sneaking suspicion something similar is used by hackers on the trikes

[bitter iris]

Allo should lose its attack speed that is just an allo issue

[junior jay]

ngl allo wouldnt survive if it got bite speed nerf

[indigo rain]

you haven't seen what we're talking about have you

[bitter iris]

What? No it’s claw swip is perfectly fine and his pounce too, and I’m okay with fast attack speed but as of now he can face tank anything in his tier

[indigo rain]

^

allo can bite every... what .25 seconds rn?

[junior jay]

really cant if the opponent has 2 brain cells

[indigo rain]

i dont think # has seen the clip of the allo facetanking a maia

[junior jay]

hmh

[indigo rain]

ahh

wait WHY IS THAT FINE THEN

[junior jay]

i clearly havent seen it if i say something like this

[indigo rain]

i got you backwards im blind

[junior jay]

only works with bad maias

[indigo rain]

....i have not had my coffee yet ima go do that

[bitter iris]

Or a Diablo it’s literally run face first into the diablos biggest weapon and spamming left click while the Diablo is using its most powerful attack and dying. If you are faster you should not be able to face tank. I think that’s a good rule that should work for all playable except maybe hadrosaur but they need something to make them better

[junior jay]

hop on oasis and see

1v1

[junior jay]

uh oh trike wins rex in strait up bite contest lets buff rex

[junior jay]

that works for dibles with -1 brain cell

[bitter iris]

No the issue is speed here…. You shouldn’t be able to out run and out dps

[junior jay]

so dilo is op

omni cant facetank it or run away

[bitter iris]

They were testing there so in a normal fight the Diablo would move and the allo would go back to face tank again

[junior jay]

oh wait omni can pounce it once and kill it

[bitter iris]

Dilo has a whole lot of issue rn but Omni can get away with jump and a lot better agility also prime elder omni is faster

[junior jay]

if something can facetank and be faster it doesnt mean it wins

[bitter iris]

Ya and omni is a little op in damage at the moment

[junior jay]

aint no allo winning with facetanking a dible

[bitter iris]

Not always but it does give practically a 100% win rate if you know what your doing

[keen plover]

I'm actually lost is that a prime allo?

Cause adult v adult, standing flip knocks the allo

[bitter iris]

That is the only way I’ve dead to allos

[junior jay]

no? wdym

[junior jay]

so dilo wins omni 100% of the time if its good

[keen plover]

Imo they just need to make it so allo takes a lot of damage for pouncing a ceratopsian in the face

Also reduce the attack rate a bit

Should be quick but yeah rn is overkill

[bitter iris]

Yes if you know how to face tank with better damage and speed so they can’t run a good allo can kill a Diablo easily

[bitter iris]

E

[bitter iris]

Yep I have no idea why it’s the other way around lmao

[bitter iris]

Exactly what I’m saying

[junior jay]

you sound like a new player rn "if i out dmg and out speed i win" and then you die and complain about the game

[keen plover]

But yeah outside of that, losing the face tank doesn't really matter since, who is standing around taking a lot of damage like that.

[bitter iris]

You sound like a new player bro
“If I am better (stats) in almost every way I will lose”

[keen plover]

Obviously some work needed, but that's a bad metric for balance imo

[junior jay]

no new player says that

[bitter iris]

This is an over exaggeration btw like diablos can still kill allos but an allo that knows how to face tank can easily kill a diablo

[bitter iris]

I think they do 😭 always asking for Rex buffs

[junior jay]

"know how to facetank" we really need practice for facetanking nowadays😭

[junior jay]

we forgot about this

[bitter iris]

Lots of people don’t know they can run in straight first and win so ya know how to face tank. Like all I’m asking is if they trade head to head Diablo wins. Why can you just be ok with that?

[junior jay]

good that they "dont know" cause they would loose

[bitter iris]

Sorry, what?

[bitter iris]

Just a question what dinosaurs do you play?

[junior jay]

why?

[junior jay]

you?

[bitter iris]

Just wanna know the basis, I play a lot of dudes but mostly have played raptor, some allo, and some Diablo but right now I have been play lots of different Dino’s like Rex, trike, cerato

I am kinda all over the place and as of now I’m at growing another allo.

[junior jay]

basicly every dino that can pvp

[bitter iris]

So like Diablo allo Maia Rex stego raptor carno?

[junior jay]

more but yes

[junior jay]

so why was that important

[bitter iris]

Idk just wanted to know.

I mean you can do whatever. I doubt I can change your mind but I have been face tanked by allo, I have seen others. It is a not fun interaction. I would just rather a nerf to his attack speed and pounce head damage. I would also like his kit to increase which I am thinking of ideas how to help with theses nerfs which can still make fun and # Interactive game play

[junior jay]

pounce head dmg is a bug

[bitter iris]

Oh I did not know that

[junior jay]

it goes thruw head armor and does 500 for the dible

[bitter iris]

That’s the main reason it can face tank Diablo

[bitter iris]

Btw I thought of this recently and I’m sure it has plenty of problems but how do you think about a new attack for allo that is like a side bump. I feel allos drift is very under appreciated so I would like to so if you drift into a opponent (side slam) maybe with holding a button or smth you can stun creatures a lot larger than you and also “knock out blood of the opponent”. If the opponent is already bleeding you would knock out a large chunk of the blood to practically speed up the process.

[junior jay]

decent idea but i mean i gave up on those types of suggestions long ago devs have basicly never done 1 suggestion that we asked for

[bitter iris]

Ya I know I’m mostly doing it for fun lmao

[bitter iris]

Also though of this but I think it has some issues of its own

[junior jay]

this update is a mess

[bitter iris]

Fr

[lucid lark]

Herrara and dilo mains suffering

[cobalt dagger]

I find this to be so interesting.

I know you typically only need one male for multiple females to breed, so nature often fixates on preserving female animals more than males. That's why many cannibalistic animals have larger females (giving them a better chance vs males; ex snakes and spiders and more) and why male animals do all the beautiful attracting feathers and loud sounds.

I wonder if the female stegos extra spikes made the males more interesting to predators? I won't say more than this because if I do then I have to move to the paleo talk tab XD

[crystal stream]

I think they should nerf allo prime to have a same matchup against dibble as both adults

It’s dumb how adult dibble can knock over adult allo but prime dibble can’t knock prime allo

[junior jay]

#balance-feedback message

so instead of nerfing rex we make every prime op 😭

how people really agreeing with this

[dusky surge]

sorry where did he say make every prime OP

[junior jay]

if every1 keeps their speed at 88

[dusky surge]

they could also make prime rex slower rather than making everyone keep their speed

[junior jay]

yeah that would be the better option

but i still think it needs turn nerf more

[timber tusk]

I did, several times, from different heights and on differ rocks to be sure. Didn’t work. If that’s a feature, I’ve never heard of it, and I couldn’t get it to work. The regular method works fine, it’s just a little buggy.

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[timber tusk]

Is there any footage of that working, cause maybe it’s just inconsistent, or needs multiple tries, like the regular method sometimes does?
If it does require a lot of drops, doesn’t seem at all worth the stamina cost. Definitely didn’t work for me.

[viscid mica]

Bro FLY UP

Drop it from from high up

It’s only ever worked for me if dropped form high up while flying onto a rock

[timber tusk]

Sometimes ladies are just more robust, like the Moa and Cassowary.
Why don’t more game devs roll with that idea for speculative sexual dimorphism?

[viscid mica]

It works if you drop it from proper high up

[timber tusk]

I did. How high do you have to go?

[viscid mica]

Weird that works for me try’s different rock maybe?

🤔

[timber tusk]

I tried all the big rocks at that part of the lake, but maybe it’s just inconsistent. Doesn’t feel worth the stamina cost to me, unless I can see it work in a video.

[viscid mica]

I’m currently in a different country but when I’m home and I got time I’ll try and get a recording for you, now I’m wondering what’s causing it not to work for you

I’m back on the 18th so your gonna have to wait unless my fiancé plays pt and I can get her to do it

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

fake troodon fan, real troodons live to exceed hardship

[junior jay]

this is the 1 time i agree with wavepoole

[high egret]

my rebuttal is that it is very hard to eat a universe even as a dragon.

[forest pivot]

you need to smash it into the rock iirc with lmb or rmb

though not all rocks may work

[dusky surge]

the first of many

[torn egret]

My rebuttal is you aren’t trying hard enough as Troodon lol.
Troodon already reigns supreme. To “ascend it” would only blight its gorgeous form.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

Apex Pokemon

also reducing stego bleed? why? its literally the main gimmick it has for self defence

[slim dragon]

herd animal

[torn egret]

I mean pretty much everything lived in herds right?

[torn egret]

That and sheer raw damage lol
But I agree with you it needs to be able to deter Rex

[slim dragon]

Not really

[torn egret]

Fair. But it’s true for a lot of herbivores iirc

[slim dragon]

That was a joke anyway

[torn egret]

lol
I mean, a lot of Dino were found with multiple skeletons when there were extinction events, so I’m sure there was at least some family groups etc. but I wasn’t there personally so I can’t attest to it.
Off topic tho, but still stego related, I saw something that showed Stegos more likely lifted their tails to attack things, kind of like the current running power swing.
But they would lift their tail to impale things from underneath.
Not saying stego attacks should do that here, but a cool little tidbit of speculation that came out kinda recently.

[high egret]

I'm perfectly immortal as Troodon, my issue is that the other Species still seem to think they have a right to share the Isle with Troodon. Some even attempt to hunt us, Hahahahaha!

[hasty coyote]

That’s all well and good, I am just slightly confused as to why they took the irl dimorphism, and then swapped which one had bigger plates specifically in game. It’s just an odd thing to specifically change.

[idle dagger]

Hi can you guys please check my suggestion ? #general-feedback message

[torn egret]

Everyone is allowed to be wrong, but noone should be forced to lol

[analog zodiac]

#balance-feedback message we really do not need to buff trike, like Rex is the only thing we need to nerf, I also made a suggestion but idk you’re suggestion is a lil too much trike sided imo, (I still wanna fight Rexes as trike so don’t overtune trike) my suggestion: #general-feedback message

[limber delta]

I think trike is honestly fine when it's not vs rex, pair it up against anything besides rex and it does extremely well. Nerfing rex is indirectly a huge trike buff, which needs to happen

[faint robin]

Just better cc for trike buffs

[analog zodiac]

Only the runup and the hold lmb should change (hold lmb stuns up to 100% its weight) and the runup abt 110% of its weight since if u literally 50kg bigger than the trike he cannot stun you

[faint robin]

Yeah standing flip and running flip need better cc multipliers

As the only buff trike needs
To reliably stun rex, standing flip should stun it's own weight and running flip same as rex crush (1.35x)
Rex needs more minor nerfs imo

[lunar igloo]

is there a reason why my request for the queue to come back instantly got deleted from the feedback channel 💀

[stark knoll]

Because it's not balance feedback. Also the queues were disabled because they were broken, it's being worked on

[analog zodiac]

Yes tbh I don think Rex needs a lot of nerfs I would say crush cd is the only big issue here since Rex can just crush a trike 2 times in one stun, agility is not tha bad tbh (it’s not that broken if you know how to move with trike)

Rex kinda needs this agility to fight trikes or even stegos

[junior jay]

Turn radius is really unfair for the smaller playables tho

[junior jay]

#balance-feedback message
Why not?

It really inconsistent that After knockdown you have to get up but not After pin

[analog zodiac]

Bc it’s a literally stun lock

Once u pinned u basically stun locked (with that suggestion)

[analog zodiac]

Ig but it’s still possible to fight a Rex rn

[junior jay]

thats More of a pin problem ngl

Pin should have same cooldown as knockdown

[analog zodiac]

Yea but imagine Maia or a Rex

They stand up so slow

[junior jay]

Same with knockdown and they cant be stun locked

[analog zodiac]

Yea but that’s basically another buff for Rex imo

We need to nerf Rex not buff it

Im saying how pin rn is it’s not a good idea

[junior jay]

Yeah but if rex gets nerfed it aint gonna be a problem

[analog zodiac]

First change pin and then think abt it

[analog zodiac]

They won’t nerf it to the ground

Just some small tweaks

[junior jay]

We cant know

[analog zodiac]

Gng it’s a Rex it’s not gonna move like a truck and have 400 bf

Won’t happen and if it does well that idk what’s wrong with the balancing team 😭

[junior jay]

They done worse balancing choises before

[junior jay]

It should turn like a truck its meant to be ambusher not a brawler

[grizzled anchor]

imo rex shouldn't have a pin at all, isnt a knockdown and the bone break possibility enough? I mean you should still have a chance of fleeing if you're lucky enough to not get oneshot or bone breaked/knocked down 😅 a pin just feels underwhelming for both sides

[analog zodiac]

Hell no

[grizzled anchor]

Exactly, it shouldnt be as agile as an allo (which it is almost 1:1 in terms of turn radius) while being 5 times the weight of it 😅

[junior jay]

Hell yeah

[analog zodiac]

Bro how is it gonna fight trikes

[grizzled anchor]

AMBUSH

[junior jay]

I dunno Buff crush i guess

[analog zodiac]

U still need 3 crushed btw

So basically u only get 1-2 crushes

St ambush and then u cooked

Bc u can’t get around a trike

[junior jay]

You can abuse the trikes horns

[analog zodiac]

Doesn’t make sense at all

[grizzled anchor]

Theres still more than this one matchup buddy and u cant really push all balancing so one matchup is fair while every other matchup is ridiculously unbalanced...

[junior jay]

And spar mechanics

[analog zodiac]

Only bc a Dino weights more doesn’t mean it needs to turn slow

[analog zodiac]

Trike wins fight in every way

[grizzled anchor]

What exactly? That its 5 times the weight of an allo while being just as agile? That makes total sense to me

[junior jay]

What are they gonna do with giga then is it going to as agile as an omni

[analog zodiac]

No same turn radius as Rex

[junior jay]

It should win most of the time

[junior jay]

Pretty sure its More agile than allo

[analog zodiac]

Should be 60-40 for trike

Not 100-0 trike

[junior jay]

60-40 Or 70-30

[analog zodiac]

Hell no

[grizzled anchor]

It should turn slower though? It literally needs way more strength to move at all while also needing more strength to stop movement. And especially when sprinting its turn radius should be way narrower.

[analog zodiac]

Yea make trike the most boring animal in the game

[analog zodiac]

Look at trike it weight 12.5 and can slide around crazy

[grizzled anchor]

Could be, tried this fight with a friend 4-5 times and noticed its not doable as allo when the rex just outturns you and is also able to pin you 😅

[analog zodiac]

And his form is a potato

Rex is full of muscles

[junior jay]

Rex glaze

[analog zodiac]

Im literally a trike main btw

[junior jay]

Yeah i know

[analog zodiac]

Makes sense

Im just not biased

I want Rex to be a good matchup, not a free win for trike

[grizzled anchor]

Slide is not the same as turn radius!
Its only doable when sprinting, and also its a freakin herbivore thats more defensive than anything else.
(btw 25% trike has worse turn radius than a 90% prime elder Rex!)

[junior jay]

If they want to keep that rex turn then they gotta add acceleration

[analog zodiac]

If u know how to play trike u almost the same turn radius

Rex cannot get behind u if u know how the movement works

(With the current agile Rex)

[junior jay]

Almost but not enough

[analog zodiac]

Now imagine a Rex with worse agility xD

[analog zodiac]

Well how it should be

Rex somehow needs to get behind a trike

[junior jay]

We Also gotta remember it is harder for the trike to even keep up

[analog zodiac]

Just not as easy

[grizzled anchor]

Again, theres more matchups than Rex vs Trike XD

[junior jay]

Get stunned run behind 👍

[analog zodiac]

Main matchup tho

[junior jay]

Rex is broken In so many levels

[analog zodiac]

How do u wanna stun a trike if u cant stun it from the front, unless u use the hitbox bug

Like u forced to get in spar

[grizzled anchor]

Okay lets just do this balancing logic for every dino then, ignore every other dino in the game 🙂

[analog zodiac]

And get spar locked

[junior jay]

Nah i meant get stunned like you then you got stun immunity for a lil

[analog zodiac]

Yea and now what, imagine it’s turning like a truck

Impossible to get behind even tho u have stun immunity

[analog zodiac]

What Dino’s u wanna compare?

Cera?

[junior jay]

Bite its back legs 👍

[analog zodiac]

U never fought a good trike did u

[junior jay]

I have

[analog zodiac]

I don’t think so

[junior jay]

😭

Even if the fight was 50/50 should it stay that way if the other 1 has to learn much longer to even compete

[analog zodiac]

Just imagine dilo agility but on Rex

[grizzled anchor]

It can easily with a good ambush instantly giving it the upper hand in the fight (as it should).
It shouldnt be an easy matchup for any of them but its still not the only matchup possible (not even close).
Even a group of raptors could potentially prey upon a Rex where this agility is ridiculously op against any small tier dino or anything smaller than him which is everyone except trike basically.

Maybe Im the odd one out but looking at the amount of rex nerf suggestions in the feedback channels I guess its a pretty common opinion at this point and after playing some Rex Prime Elder I gotta say its ridiculously easy.

Also its rare that the prime rex vs prime trike even happens since both take ages to grow so most of the time the rex faces other dinos or younger trikes!

[analog zodiac]

Literally impossible to get around

[analog zodiac]

Well Rex is noob friendly

[junior jay]

Bro ambush this game is not always 1v1 on flat ground

[grizzled anchor]

You act like Trike is the only matchup that realistically exists against a Rex which is a red flag on its own isnt it? 😅

[analog zodiac]

What else is gonna fight a prime Rex for example

[junior jay]

Trike should be the easier 1 since it cant run

[analog zodiac]

A prime stego?

[analog zodiac]

Bro just train😭

[grizzled anchor]

I literally just said it, a raptor pack, a pack of allos hell maybe even a pack of troodons. If Rex has NO one to fear then its balancing is way off. Its an apex not a god!

[junior jay]

Not every1 has time for that ofc i got plenty i am decent trike but that doesnt mean every1 Will have time

Peak unemployment

[grizzled anchor]

And it simply shouldnt be! Its an apex carnivore, it should take more skill to actively hunt in as this weight class than defending yourself (awareness excluded since ambushes should be the main hunting method for rex imo)

[analog zodiac]

Well omnis can kill a Rex easily rn

Brought a Rex to 30%hp with 4 omnis

Now imagine a full Omni pack

[analog zodiac]

Well then don’t play trike😭 😭

[cosmic pelican]

The rex stands in water the omnis have to swim in and uses its 2 hour hunger time to outlast them

[analog zodiac]

Well yea water is a problem

But that’s not bc of Rex

[grizzled anchor]

Thats because their damage is ridiculously broken still the turn radius makes it crazy scary for the raptors.
Well I guess we just wont come to an agreement on the Rex balancing topic. I just think that 10+ tons should also feel like fighting 10+ tons not 2-3 tons with a 10+ tons pin and damage.

[analog zodiac]

You’re opinion

[junior jay]

Pvp mindset

[analog zodiac]

Just saying what u said rn will absolutely put Rex into the grave

[grizzled anchor]

Well only sounds logical to me but I guess that its not about logic anymore.
And thats why im heading out of this discussion, have fun yall 👋

[analog zodiac]

W argument

[analog zodiac]

Cya have a great day

[grizzled anchor]

U 2 buddy

[cosmic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-die-gif-16851571680202593785

[eager saddle]

Omni is specifically build to deal with big prey when they’re in a group though

[analog zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-pointing-pointing-finger-car-wheel-gif-2572264087411888860

[cosmic pelican]

Same with allo honestly

Cant believe Im saying this but the cera meta was infinitely better

[eager saddle]

That means it must be absolutely miserable

Cuse you HATED the cera meta

[faint robin]

Ofc rex doesn't need crazy nerfs, w trike getting better cc multipliers
Agility on rex needs a minor nerf tho

[cosmic pelican]

At least you could run from ceras, or 1-2 shot them if you couldnt

Young ceras were, and still are, very vulnerable as well

[eager saddle]

Why buff trike when rex is getting nerfed though? That’s basically a double buff

[faint robin]

Better cc multipliers is the only buff trike needs, won't break anything

[junior jay]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[eager saddle]

not a fan of any cc buffs in all honesty

[faint robin]

Trike not being able to stun rex 1 kg heavier is dumb

[junior jay]

110% to Running flip thats it nothing else

[junior jay]

I was thinking about this so would giga just ride rex to death if it ambushed this is turning into legacy 2.0 real fast

[faint robin]

Standing flip should stun it's own weight

[junior jay]

Nah

Rex wouldnt win like ever

[faint robin]

Rex would rely on ambush as it should

Standing flip is slow stationary attack you'll only land if something is facing you

[junior jay]

This would Also mean it would stun other trikes

[torn egret]

Yea, pretty sure Rex shouldn't be a brawler if its an ambusher lol.
The whole point of the sparring interaction is to let Trike even out the odds. but Rex can just avoiud that by spinning like a ballerina lol

[faint robin]

Rn standing flip just ruins everything for trike and has same animation as spar engage

[junior jay]

Not slow

[faint robin]

Slow enough for rex to get behind

[faint robin]

Yes and?

[torn egret]

Trike should be able to stun things its size, why are you worried it can stun other trikes?

[junior jay]

Not even its fastest stationary attack In the game After dryo

[faint robin]

Whats the issue in stationary attack stunning its weight
Dib can do it

[junior jay]

Would look dumb

[faint robin]

With rex's agility every stop on trike's side equals rex getting behind

[junior jay]

Dibles attack has Weight behind it

[faint robin]

Rex stunning trike also looks dumb

[faint robin]

Trike standing flip has broken animation, its lit same as engage

[junior jay]

No trike can hit on its Side pretty easilly

[junior jay]

I know i wouldnt call it broken tho

[faint robin]

Trike had throwing its weight forward animation before rex release, devs even tried to fix animation but no result

[faint robin]

Its broken cuz devs tried fixing this

[torn egret]

That's a silly take tho.
Things of similar size should pose a threat to you lol.

[junior jay]

How do you know

[junior jay]

It has like no Weight behind it
And trike already poses a threat to other trikes

[faint robin]

It was like a few weeks after they already changed trike standing flip animation

[junior jay]

I dont get how this proves anything

[torn egret]

Bro, the Thing weighs several times more than a dibble and is slower.
It may not "look" like the flip has no weight to it, but a Rhino irl can flip alot of things just by lifting its head lol.
And Trike posing a threat to other trikes?
Why would that matter?
If its in front of you, you engage in the spar, if it gets to your side, you weren't paying attention lol

[junior jay]

It didnt say tried to fix it

[torn egret]

Removing the animation means the hitbox changes too

Cause the hitbox moves with the model

Like, Trike needs to be a powerhouse

[junior jay]

This is why i said it already poses a threat

[torn egret]

So besides all the other chatter about it, it should be a threat to everything in front, even other trikes

[faint robin]

Cuz it should have dif anim on standing flip

[torn egret]

Not enough of a deterent for Rex tho

Rex v Trike is already buggy cause of spar and crush issues

[junior jay]

How do you know what if the devs want it to have that anim WE CANT KNOW

[torn egret]

Not to mention the horrendously large hitbox of the crush

[junior jay]

Bro i know it had that

[faint robin]

Cuz it has complete animation and name me 1 reason for 2 moves to have same animation. It's both boring and confusing for other players

[junior jay]

Not enough Weight to stun a similar size animal

[junior jay]

Why do i need to tell you a reason i am not a dev

[torn egret]

Tf you mean?
Strength is not only about weight homie.

[faint robin]

Trike headbutting rex would realistically knock it down lol
Bipedal vs quadrupedal

[junior jay]

Yeah and rex would 1 shot trike

[faint robin]

Its like ram headbutting a human

[junior jay]

Not enough Weight behind that attack

[torn egret]

Bruh XD
It already pretty much can if it breaks bones.

[torn egret]

You are basing it only off the current animation tho....

[faint robin]

Rex would do nothing to trike's face but we have rex stunning trikes biting their horns ingame

[torn egret]

Like, go watch some videos of bulls, rhinos etc flipping things, or attacking each other.

[junior jay]

Yes and??! Its the official anim for it

[torn egret]

Cause its a gameplay fallacy to use the current flip as an excuse to make rex stronger in the interaction/fight.

If the horns are under the chest/body, a slight lift and turn could prolly knock a rex off balance anyways

Like, throwing your weight around may look stronger, but it should still stun when stationary

[junior jay]

Rex would bite the trikes horns off if it used crush on Side of trikes face

[torn egret]

Pretty sure you're just making stuff up for a personal power fantasy at this point lol.

Even if that was the case irl, a Trike would still be trying to fight back

[junior jay]

Rex can break bone why not horns

[junior jay]

I was only talking about irl cause that guy was talking about it

[torn egret]

Cause getting there would prolly get them killed lmao.
You may be able to crush bones etc, but grabbing something by the horns is not easy, especially with the sheer mass and strength of a trike

[dusky surge]

its meant to be both

[faint robin]

1 horn and get stabbed the next second

Also irl trike turned on a dime, idk why we bring realism here
Allosaurus also didn't jump

[junior jay]

its too good at both

[torn egret]

Maybe against certain matchups, but prolly not fair to make it able to brawl everything.
At least not possible unless you really use the full kit

[junior jay]

Bro you started talking about realism

[torn egret]

You actually brought it up first tho....

Iirc

Realism would be an easy argument if we were all there to witness it lol.

But theres only so much we can do.
I love realism don't get me wrong, but rn arguing for Trike to not get some CC love at least as an adult/elder would be crazy

[faint robin]

You said trike stunning other trikes w standing flip looks unreal

[torn egret]

Rex is overtuned, but Trike still needs CC increse

[faint robin]

Realism would be a great argument if we had small dinosaur brains

And acted like animals

Not galloping trikes chasing galloping stegos around

Whole trike running animation completely destroys realism lol

[torn egret]

Alot of the stuff in the game is "too good" at everything.
And ability balance is also wild.
Rex could get some CC love for its shoves if the turn radius was abysmal etc, or if there was any other reason to NOT rely on just the crush

[faint robin]

Realism ofc does smth, thats why we don't have rex breathing fire etc (tho rex one is close lol, considering Dondi's rex obsession)

[junior jay]

Trike headbutting rex would realistically knock it down lol
Bipedal vs quadrupedal

Mr trice said this before i started talking about it

[faint robin]

Not enough Weight to stun a similar size animal
And this is your text

[junior jay]

Didnt say unreal

[torn egret]

You brought up the fact that there "was no weight behind standing flip"
And that's just cherry picking lol

Look, CC needs to be feared in this game.
Same or different species.

No matter how you want it to "look" it needs to be that way for balance.

Force of a hit can be influenced by throwing you weight around sure, but you can be strong while moving slow

Trike isn't that rn tho

[junior jay]

Good for you to say when troodon gets 1 shotted anyways

[torn egret]

It's just slow and an easy target

[torn egret]

Yeah, cause its fair that way lol

Just like if you get impaled by Trike horns you prolly should die lol

But that hit box is kinda whack tbh, and should be less likely to hit on standing targets imo

At least the first part

[junior jay]

I was saying that cause you main troodon

[torn egret]

I know lol.

anyways I gotta bounce.
Dueces yall

[junior jay]

#balance-feedback message
This is so over tuned

[analog zodiac]

Rex will be able to stun giga

Giga prolly too but no idea

Giga ain’t out yet

[junior jay]

Ride till rex starts to get close to hitting crush then run and bleed Will kill it

[dusky surge]

how is a giga gonna "ride" a rex

[analog zodiac]

Bro we aren’t in legacy

Bleed won’t be as op as legacy bleed

I will need way more bites then only 3 or 4

[junior jay]

Sure how do you know

It Will be similar Or stronger than HT allo

Most likely

And rexes bleed res is terrible

[torn egret]

Prolly giga won’t have the shoves tho. So will likely have to watch out for getting toppled then crushed

It’ll be a matter of who hits first etc

[junior jay]

rex can prolly pin giga

[analog zodiac]

I don’t, like I said maybe giga won’t even have a stun like Rex crush or Rex headbutt

No idea

[scenic crystal]

the one who attacks first will win

[golden tapir]

Funny how that only applies to Rex huh

Just look at trike agility. It’s around 90% as agile as a Rex while also being heavier than a Rex yet people only want Rex to turn like a trike and disregard stego/trike lmao

[grizzled anchor]

Well I havent grown a Trike to Elder yet, but baby trike steers like a truck 😂
And stego has been a while since Ive played it so cant really comment on that. Its just very common right now to run into a Rex and tbf you can just run away from a trike usually

So could very well be a problem for trike too

[golden tapir]

Yeah the problem with nerfing Rex agility so mid tiers stand a chance against it is that Rex won’t be able to fight stego/trike anymore. If you want to nerf Rex you have to nerf the other 2 as well so Rex can stand a chance against them

[grizzled anchor]

Fair enough, maybe the problem wouldn't be that bad with a bigger roster anyway but right now the difference between mid tiers and the big 3 (4 with deino) is crazy

But either way the rex having a pin mechanic is ridiculous. Ive played Elder Rex the last 2 days and the amount of absolute easy oneshot kills with pins we got was absurd and actually quite boring too the coolest fight were against other Rex or a group of crocs everything else is basically oenshot

[golden tapir]

Yeah but how else is he supposed to hunt

He has pin because 90% of the roster is faster than him. Do you just want a legacy 2.0 Rex where he leg breaks everyone in one bite so they can’t escape?

[steep otter]

@faint robin lets hope the old hold lmb makes a return

[faint robin]

Yeah

[limber delta]

I never thought a single person in the world held a single opinion over wanting to nerf troodon. It takes like 200 pounces to kill an apex and that isn't accounting for health regen

though the fog does need fixing. I wouldn't call that a 'nerf' tho, since it's not intended anyways.

[autumn zephyr]

Troodon is lowkey a huge sleeper S tier, not much an apex or a mid tier can do against em except hope they catch them off guard and predict where they're gonna hop off/on, troodon is the hardest thing to hit in the game, I think it doesn't need any nerfs other than the fog being gone, they're hard to see as is

[distant prairie]

The fog must stay... just needs to be fixed since its bugged right now. It's got solid counters in the mid-tier so I think its A tier more than S. Raptors, Ceratos, and Carnos give them fits. Obviosly we are talking after a certain growth level. The are like S- tier though because they are capable of surviving in any meta.

[autumn zephyr]

Raptors and carnos yes, they have it easier than the rest of the bunch, ceratos still have to predict what they're gonna do and where they're gonna land, but they're quicker to punish than the rest of the cast, troodon's only real weakness is its juvi stage, if you know how to use your agility and speed to your advantage you're nigh unkillable, and you have to remember they hunt in packs!

I should also mention that raptors are not mid tier, nor are pachys which also deal with troodons pretty well, because they're quick and agile themselves, anything mid tier and above struggles with troodons

Carno is mostly thriving because of the stationary ram which is also bonkers and I would rather it either be extremely nerfed if not removed

But its speed also helps it a lot

[distant prairie]

Carno is just speed. Its hard to land a pounce on something zipping by at 55+kph

Raptor is just the whole package a bad idea for Troodons. I just pack my crap and leave the area when there is a FG raptor nearby

and Cerato is just the speed of the alt attacks

The rest I can kill with enough time and no cheese

But there's ALWAYS cheese. Cliff camping, Standing in the river, Climbing rocks, combat logging, etc

[autumn zephyr]

Cerato's alts get canceled by a well placed pounce, and troodon suffers the least from cheesing, you can always swap places and you need not stay pounced for more than a second, as for water camping, troodon is quite a fast swimmer, so in terms of cheese troodon is doing much better than other playables

[ashen narwhal]

make deino fly or make the fish swim, one or the other

[junior jay]

@dusky surge how do you disagree with that

[dusky surge]

I literally have no idea what you mean, why not let people have the choice

You’ll have to actually show these “unfair advantages” because you are the first ever person I’ve seen complain about them

[junior jay]

.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Vw4BmCUqM6E?si=7zsuRoa_Ug1aRP6Q

At the end kirk does moving maia stomp with that bug

At 1:03

This enough proff?

[dusky surge]

So… why not submit a bug report rather than ask to remove a feature

Because that’s a bug, very obviously

[junior jay]

Yes but there are multiple bugs related to that "feature" it would 100 times easier to just remove it

[junior tundra]

Not harder . Is long sure but not harder you have everything in you diet faster small and strong when you sub

[junior jay]

Trike has a win condition too terrain...
And In the open neither of them have win conditions

[faint robin]

Open is literally rex win condition

[junior jay]

How

[faint robin]

Gets behind and crush spams trike

Trike also can't finish rex if rex doesn't want it

[junior jay]

Counter strafe

[junior jay]

That isnt a win condition

[faint robin]

Trike is forced to fight every fight to death while rex can casually walk away if its low

[junior jay]

Not really if rex used a lot of stam and trike doesnt have leg break rex just dies

[faint robin]

Trike can't stop rex from riding it if rex is already behind

[junior jay]

Can

[faint robin]

Rex has best standing/walking stam regen of all playables

[junior jay]

Doesnt matter if below 60%

And trike is full stam cause tactile

[faint robin]

Rex easily escapes trike down to like 40% stam

[junior jay]

Wana try cause i know it wont

[faint robin]

You gain distance, than stand regen, repeat etc

Can also murder sprint away

You also get up in 1 sec

[junior jay]

Trike can run while you stand it Will catch up

[junior jay]

Like 2 Min cooldown

[faint robin]

Once is enough to gain massive distance

[junior jay]

It wont Or it Will go below 25% stam and then it has to sit

[faint robin]

Won't need it most of the times anyways
If rex doesn't want to fight trike - it won't fight trike and if rex does want to fight trike - it kills trike most of the times

Idc about good trikes spamming in and out of spar sweating to kill mid rexes, rex needs half a brain to kill most trikes

[junior jay]

Depends on skill on paper trike wins 100% of the time

[faint robin]

On paper is facetank which never happens

Good rex will also kill good trike unless trike camps

[junior jay]

Not really

[faint robin]

Trike needs perfect terrain to not get stunned to the head and even then it can be stunned to the side of the head, or it gets stunlocked to the head if broken
Rex needs 4 crushes or 3 crushes and 2 bites to fully disable trike
Trike needs 8-9 hits to kill rex most

Why is rex still initiate spar w other red even if broken but trike just gets stunned to the head if broken

[junior jay]

Bug and it doesnt need "perfect terrain"

[faint robin]

It does since if rex is slightly above or below trike - trike gets stunned to the head

[junior jay]

No the difference needs to be like 2 meters

[faint robin]

Second wasn't 2 meters

[junior jay]

And trike isnt dead After bonebreak

[faint robin]

Practically dead

Rex can even go heal if too low

And trike gets stunned with every crush no matter head or not

[junior jay]

No trike Will get 2 free hits when it gets pinned and trike can predict couple head crushes and thats already 30% rex hp

[junior jay]

Trike heals much faster

[faint robin]

Not fracture

[faint robin]

Rex cancels trike's attack w crush stuns

[junior jay]

Thats why i said predict you Will hit rex before it hits yoy

[faint robin]

Unlike stego which rex needs to kill asap, you can heal in trike fight if trike is fractured
And fracture is indeed death for trike if rex is at least semi decent

[junior jay]

Not worth it for rex

[junior jay]

No even good rexes die to fracture trikes

[faint robin]

Good rex cooks every trike in the open which shouldn't happen
And trike needs a lot more work and skill to even kill semi decent rexes while rex just casually runs around like big cera

Trike v rex in the open should be 65-70/35-30 in trike's favor
Rex is ambusher for clear reasons
Rex can avoid trike by just walking away and trike can somewhat avoid rex by camping
Which is what it should be ideally

[junior jay]

Yes trike needs More work but good trikes kill good rexes

[faint robin]

If rex is actually good it'll abuse the hell out of good trike

Trike also shouldn't be that hard

[junior jay]

Why should trike be easy

[junior jay]

Same with trike

[dusky surge]

i'd say good rexes easily have the advantage against good trikes, bad trikes will kill bad rexes tho

[junior jay]

Have you ever done a trike vs rex before

[dusky surge]

yes

[faint robin]

Why is rex easy then

[junior jay]

Im not a dev

[faint robin]

No playable should be too hard to play, esp apex with "face to win" playstyle

[junior jay]

Ok

[junior jay]

Why is that

[faint robin]

Why is rex easy and trike can't be?

[junior jay]

Why should trike be easy we gotta have some kind of skill to this game

[faint robin]

Say that to rex

Whose whole playstyle is instawinning vs small tiers and using 2 attacks vs large tiers

No playable should be too easy nor too hard to play

[junior jay]

Thats for like 4 playables "insta winning vs Small tiers"

[faint robin]

Thats for all except rex, steg, trike and deino

If those playables except 4 above try to fight rex - rex instawins
Trike has way harder time vs smth like cera

[junior jay]

#nerftrike

[faint robin]

Name the reason

You just want rex to continue being op

[dusky surge]

i genuinely can't figure out if this dude wants rex nerfed or not lmao

[junior jay]

Trike isnt made to hunt smaller tier

[junior jay]

Does so much dmg

[faint robin]

Trike is meant to defend itself from smaller tier yet it has harder time at that compared to rex

[dusky surge]

trike isnt made to hunt anything lmao, everything can just walk away from it

[faint robin]

With neverlanding thrash

[junior jay]

Rex is made to hunt smaller tiers ofc its easier for it

[faint robin]

Why os it better at defending itself than literal defensive playable

[junior jay]

You can do almost same dmg with run flip, headbutt

[faint robin]

Rex is not meant to delete smaller tiers

[junior jay]

It is literally

[faint robin]

Welp if 1k is same to 4k...

[faint robin]

It's not

Now i also dk if you want rex nerfed or not

[junior jay]

Yeah you dont know what ur talking about

[faint robin]

Rex whole issue is being too good at everything

[junior jay]

Bad bleed res

[faint robin]

Headbutt does 1k dmg at prime, running flip does 1.1k ish

[faint robin]

Nothing is hitting rex enough to bleed it out w out getting mauled on the spot

[junior jay]

Yes but you can do that twice i same amount of time

[junior jay]

Stego

[faint robin]

Stego is exception but stego gets killed on the spot and rex lives cuz traumatic

Rex also cancels stun from powerswings

[junior jay]

If you time it Well no

[faint robin]

Still not 4k

[junior jay]

It is...

[faint robin]

Rex just turns out of powerswing even when it should be stunlocked

[junior jay]

Stunlocked😭

[faint robin]

2 x 1k is 2k, not 4k

[keen plover]

As in damage wise or it being able to catch up and hunt smaller animals?

[junior jay]

What have you been playing

[faint robin]

Locked by stun yes, stunned I mean, but rex just casually turns away from swings ignoring stun

[faint robin]

Second

First is fair yet rex is still too easy to play as even vs big midtier packs

Basically 1 hit and everything thats not an apex dies
Even trike hit can be tanked by smth like maia and dib

Rex has everything
Cc on alt, big cc on crush, fracture, big dmg, pin, crazy agility, fast get up, crazy speed (murder sprint), crazy stam reg, fast trot, stun cancel (vs stego), fast alts

[spiral ledge]

I mean trike should be a lot more strong than Rex , I remember that Rex can scape from fight but trike no

His unique way to survive is being more strong than rex

[faint robin]

Basic balancing logic but devs fail even at that

[spiral ledge]

True

The fight should be 70% trike 30 % rex

[faint robin]

Rex reliable win condition vs trike should be ambush

[junior jay]

Stun cooldown rocks

[faint robin]

Even when stun is not on cd rex just ignores it and turns away from swing

[analog zodiac]

I agree but we gotta say u only almost have the agility of a Rex if u use slide as a trike, on the other hand as Rex u just need to turn (not really slide to have good agility)

[analog zodiac]

That was already long fixed in horde, that was the stego minigun in the old evrima

[junior jay]

i know

[junior jay]

then you just missed the hitbox is very forgiving

[faint robin]

Nah, pain sound exists

[junior jay]

bro what

[faint robin]

When you hit smth - hit target makes a sound for it

[junior jay]

i know

[finite shadow]

An alt attack maybe but the trike flips you and you get gored and die

[faint robin]

Only if you for some reason try to face a trike as midtier

[finite shadow]

Ignoring the fact it’s allos whole niche, also just contradicting your previous statement that trike doesn’t do the exact same thing rex does

[faint robin]

Trike can't cc you from behind

[faint robin]

Why would allo face a trike???

[finite shadow]

Cause it’s the big game hunter and trike has very vulnerable flanks unlike stego and rex

[faint robin]

Yes but you won't FACE a facetanker, attack from behind

Rex will cc and delete you even from behind with insta alt swing

[finite shadow]

Only noobs still get hit by rexs alt head swing, it’s incredibly predictable and baitable

You can legit see the rex turning their head to look at you to wait to do it

[scenic crystal]

yes dibble

[faint robin]

Rex doesn't even have to watch behind to throw an alt swing

[hasty coyote]

With that same logic, remove half the roster because they consistently have bugs. Removing them will be a lot easier than fixing all these issues.

[junior jay]

its different no one that isnt using that bug is using those settings

[timber tusk]

Oh I know, the other guy was saying dropping it worked, which baffles me.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

genuinely how tf are you struggling this bad against a solo omni as carno

Knock it down, smack it with more head swings, it dies before it gets up

[bitter iris]

Honestly sounds like he ran into a sub allo or smth died fast and though it was an Omni

[twilit seal]

For real dawg, i thought it was an ironic post

Carno is the strongest its ever been rn

The only difficulty in this matchup is terrain not knocking omni off and damage pounce dealing 5k damage

[autumn zephyr]

The terrain one is compensated by the fact that carno can just turn around and ram behind it as it is chased and knock down omnis too

[crystal stream]

The feedback channel is filled with some crappy suggestions

I actually hate carno right now thing has such a handicap killing small teirs

I know that’s it’s neich but it feels way to unfair to go up against as anything smaller that can’t jump

1800kg Carno will forever be my favorite Carno idec anymore

[autumn zephyr]

Used to be better before the ram rework, you could actually feint carno reliably to get to safety, unless you were dilo

Dilo could reliably fight carno at night but not anymore

[crystal stream]

Even before letting Carno go from standing completely still to ramming full speed and turning instantly was just so dumb

I got no respect for people who play Carno

Small tier farming sim

[keen plover]

Eh. I personally like how competent carno feels solo. Didn't like the charge trade gameplay previously. Needed a decent run up for CC which anyone with a brain could avoid. I think current Carno feels really nice mechanically now. Best charge has felt ever imo. The values are rough though.

CC range and dps is too high while stationary. It also needs a stamina cost on the headswing. Carno's should have to use their bites more. The last time 1800kg felt good/powerful solo was update 6 and that was busted lol.

[twilit seal]

Its far more capable since the added cc, can destroy ceras and tenos now more then before. The issue is the stationary headbutt like you said, it should only be usable when youre actively running, or as an alt attack similar to rex, so that its baitable, has a stam cost and a longer cooldown

The input lmb is also helpful for its matchups tbh, since you have to time the attack they have a better chance instead of getting chipped down like old carno

[keen plover]

Yep my thoughts. A few changes and it will feel fair imo.

Carno needs immediate CC for hunting dangerous small game like Pachy anyways. Also lets you go in and snipe dilos/omni's out of a pack.

Just shouldn't be able to brawl the whole group as easily as rn lol

[twilit seal]

and for the love of god give it a sound and a better animation, it looks so dumb

[keen plover]

lol ye

[crystal stream]

It doesn’t even look natural man this thing is not only horribly unfun to fight against but being almost stronger then it was

[bitter iris]

@elder fox carno is very strong at the moment if anything he needs nerfs

[hot zephyr]

the pin mechanic needs a way out of it.

[junior jay]

#balance-feedback message
We cant be real

[slim dragon]

@lucid lark The game features reptiles, not lizards. Not every reptile can detach their tail at will lol.
Also we already have projectile vomiting (hypsi), toxic mucus is planned (magy), and while we won't have eyes projecting blood, we will have using snot as a weapon or means of defense (mono)

[tropic falcon]

Plus this isn’t PoT. If you want those kinds of mechanics you gotta play that game

[lucid lark]

So remove pin? Got it.

[rapid rain]

Yea that’s why you run into 1 or 2 carnos per week cause it’s really strong…

[rapid rain]

@maiden temple yes and yes also yes, continue to bump

[grim moth]

why tf am i getting clowned for my balance feedback lmao , a prime maia shouldnt be running at 48kmh whilst being 5.4 tons and a prime rex shouldnt be running at 40 kmh with murder sprint

@twilit seal thoughts?

[twilit seal]

Lol why did you ping me, i agree with the rex suggestion, but like i mentioned in mine if they just removed murder sprint it would make it so much easier to balance. I believe you get downvotes cuz of the mai suggestion

[grim moth]

i pinged u cause u da balance guy

[twilit seal]

Most maias suck at the dino, thats why whenever they see a nerf suggestion when its borderline overpowered rn they downvote it

[grim moth]

so theyre clowning me bc they suck ? lmao

[twilit seal]

Same thing with troodon, troodon is so stupidly strong aswell, but the players just give the “its a one shot and a small tier” argument

Brother anything gets one shot in this game but ar least troodon grows fast and can easily avoid hits

[grim moth]

it just doesnt make sense that maia should be running so fast when it has already gained a ridiculous hp buff at prime , like 48 come on thats crazy

[grim moth]

troo really needs its damn fog fixed lol

[twilit seal]

I think speed can be the same issue with maia is how strong the attacks are rn and how little openings it has

Like maia with tactile never runs out of stam and has 360 coverage in quad mode with super fast attacks with no openings

[grim moth]

i can agree , its running very fast , with large amounts of dmg and lots of cc it just doesnt need one of them

[twilit seal]

It was fine before cuz it could get away from anything, now it can chase anything down and kill it

The quad back kicks stun up to 7 tons afaik

[grim moth]

precisely

[twilit seal]

Maybe more even

[grim moth]

its just u cant have all of those factors at once and this is coming from someone who plays maia a fair bit

[twilit seal]

I mean I dont think your suggstion is bad its cuz 40 is a very low number and i think it could be faster as bipedal, but dont care too much about the opinions of balance feedback

I see the craziest stuff posted unironically

[grim moth]

tell me about it lol its crazy what some people think is good balancing

[twilit seal]

I mean 90% of the playerbase are clueless about the skill level some players achieve on particular playables, and they assume all the opponents they see just have manual alt attack off

Like legit if you put some players on a server like oasis and make them fight the regulars there, they wpuld assume people are cheating

[grim moth]

it doesnt surprise me

[twilit seal]

Also youtube shifts peoples perspective too, since people basically only share “victories” they assume whatever wins is the op playable

You see duo ceras kill 4 dibbles then people say cera is op, then a single dibble 1v4s ceras and its the op one

[grim moth]

i feel that people should either play a playable for an extended period of time , or get their facts right first before suggesting smth balance wise

[twilit seal]

Not to mention bias and revenge nerfing, like people die to rex and allo a lot right now so they want them to be nerfed until they are unplayable

[grim moth]

also to agree with what u said earlier yes , rex really doesnt need its ambush

[twilit seal]

You see herbi players saying that rex is too easy to grow all the time, when comparatively its still the hardest thing to grow maybe alongside deino, but i guess they are easier cuz of AI

[twilit seal]

Exactly, people need to give each playable a shot before voicing a balance opinion

Like personally I think Allo is a very bad playable, the only thing strong about it is the pin

[keen plover]

I mean it definitely shouldn't be as fast as rn yeah but 40km/h feels too slow for me. Also it just needs nerfs in other places before all that

[grim moth]

which is why i felt that saying maia needs to have its speed nerfed is a valid take.

[twilit seal]

Allo has trash agility, its bleed is nerfed, doesnt have good stam or speed

[twilit seal]

I agree with bird in this one, i think its speed was never an issue before the recent cc and damage buffs

And likei said, it has 0 openings between attacks

[grim moth]

it was what 46kmh b4 the elder update and now its 48 with prime which just feels a lil too much like even a decrease to 43 kmh would make it slightly better

[keen plover]

honestly, tactile needs removal and some of the more offensive based attacks of maias need cc and damage adjustments. Even the kick needs some cc adjustment. Can punch up with it lol

Then go from there. Speed would be the last thing I'd touch on maia

[twilit seal]

Theres also a bug where you can stun the same threshold as quad kicks with your side kicks

Like you knock down tenos with side kick

[keen plover]

ughh damn

[twilit seal]

But like many pvp bugs its gatekept

[grim moth]

pin is buggy ash and boring (so is its pounce) , its bite speed imo is a lil too fast given its bite force

[keen plover]

but I also haven't tested things in depth for a hot minute. Too many issues stacking up it seems

[twilit seal]

I have already reported machine gun steg, allo and moving stomp maia has (you can move while doing the big stomp and jump on targets to hit them)

[keen plover]

Yeah saw those ones

[twilit seal]

And nobody told me how to do those bug abuses, because people gatekeep that

[grim moth]

i have a whole list of overtuned and under tuned playables due to the elder update lol its kinda crazy im hoping "the big patch" will fix most

[twilit seal]

I had to figure them out with a friend that helped

[keen plover]

Lol personally have a big problem with a lot of the playables

[grim moth]

fr

[keen plover]

So yeah makes sense people have a whole list

[twilit seal]

Yeah not to mention how bad 100% dinos are

[grim moth]

unnecessarily bad might i add

[twilit seal]

I get frails being bad but primes get super weak too

[keen plover]

Yeah they gatekeep hard. People love exploits. Apparently fun fights don't matter to them lol

[twilit seal]

I did not know carno went down to 120 from 180 bite force and 45 kmh from over 55

[grim moth]

yup and tbh i just dont like entombing (too much of a commitment) , but i dont know what else to do at that stage

[twilit seal]

The issue is that the people who know the bugs are already pvp players, good ones

They dont need to abuse them

[twilit seal]

Some servers give you the ability to pause your growth at peak at least rn

[grim moth]

yea nerfs alr , besides the fact that im fairly certain they spoof their players

[keen plover]

Yeah that's really odd. Makes sense though since the average person isn't going to test stuff in depth.

Happens a lot in pvp games though where the better players keep exploits to themselves. Usually though there's money on the line lol.

[twilit seal]

I dont play there myself, I do want to, but i get constant 100 ping and 40 fps

Despite being an EU player

[grim moth]

same lol

[twilit seal]

They call it “tech”

[keen plover]

💀

[grim moth]

vry cringe

[twilit seal]

Most abused thing in my experience lately are machine gun stego, rex side crushing trike to avoid sparring, and pushing other ceratopsians without being able to be countered

[grim moth]

luckily ive never experienced these

[twilit seal]

I mean stego thing is the easest thing to do, you get like 2x your normal power swing attack speed

Which is already fast

The rex thing doesnt require any settings change, you simply angle yourself to the trike to be on the side or use elevation difference, so the game technically cant put you in sparring mode

[grim moth]

bro why are petits players such chuds .. i just saw a megaherd of maias , dibs , tenos as a lone cera

[twilit seal]

Cuz they technically don’t have a no mixpack/megaherd limit, they just get the debuff. And i swear it houses the most despicable players lol

[grim moth]

its most of the time alr but why th is that allowed , why can they just defend them like that

[twilit seal]

Its just extra toxic, especially comes under the spotlight with how much crashes happen in that server and people legit run out of their way to kill crashed players

Ive seen a prime rex crash pretty far from the water, and 2 deinos as soon as it happened bolted out to run to him and kill him, not even eating, then run bsck to water

And they dont give your dino back there

[grim moth]

oh crap theyve spotted me 😭

[grim moth]

ye ive lost lots of dinos to crashes on petits

[keen plover]

It's the rules, not really the players imo. Officials are worse in that regards since no rules. You just need to not allow mixherding between certain animals.

[grim moth]

yea generally the players are nice

[viscid mica]

@twilit seal your not considering how it’s venom applies and the stam cost compared to dilo

[twilit seal]

I am, its much easier and safer for a troodon to apply venom on a trike thanks to its agility and visibility than a dilo, dilo would need as many bites to get trike down to 75% hp during the day which is compared to 3-4 pounces from a troodon so much more difficult

Troodon has so much safety with its pounces thanks to terrain not working rn

And now it can slot switch too

Slot switching is arguably the best thing it couldve gotten

[viscid mica]

Not accounting for the fact that troodons have to hit all following pounces for damage and burn stamina for every single one of those

[twilit seal]

2.5% stam cost

[viscid mica]

And troodons do less damage

[twilit seal]

In a group thats nothing

[viscid mica]

In a group dilos can easily t3 a trike

[twilit seal]

When the target is purple troodons can do more dps than anything, not to mention they can safely deal damge

[viscid mica]

80 per pounce

[twilit seal]

Unless the trike knows how to spar and alt attack no, because troodon is more agile

[viscid mica]

That’s less than a dilos base bite

[twilit seal]

Yeah in a group thats good enough, you expect it to deal more damge than dilo?

[viscid mica]

It’s also tiny hitbox

[twilit seal]

Out in the open, try fighting 3 dilos during the day as a trike and 3 troodons, see yourself which one is harder to deal with

[viscid mica]

No my point is your asking for a nerf that would brutally neuter troodons you severely over estimating how scary they are and how fast they could get them to the next tier considering they only have 40s per tier

[viscid mica]

Dilos cuz all they need is to take turns bait and switch and than once they all have t3 there goes 2/3rds of my health to clone spam

It would take the troodons well over 40 minutes to do half my health

[twilit seal]

My change benefits apexes in their matchup against them which is arguably the hardest thing to deal with for them, and they cant even grab the organs

[twilit seal]

When troodon first got the fog we have tested it and youd be surprised how fast they deal damage

[viscid mica]

You know what magic trick apex’s can do that most can’t they can walk away and the troodons will run out of stamina

[twilit seal]

Youre really exaggerating troodons stam cost

[viscid mica]

Yes you can theoretically but your not accounting for running around jumping on and off lingering and pounce stam cost it adds up fast

[viscid mica]

Your only calculating pounce stam not everything combined bruh

[twilit seal]

Troodons trot speed is very fast wdym

They dont need to constantly run around during a fight

[viscid mica]

Not fast enough to keep up with a Rex

[viscid mica]

If the player stands still sure all they need to do is keep moving

[twilit seal]

I mean if troodons are struggling to keep up with a rex idk what to say

[viscid mica]

Let alone if the can get some terrain to post up in and spam LMB

[twilit seal]

Suprise surprise, that works against a rex as well

The whole one shot argument is the dumbest thing when apexes ready one shot things that arent other apexes

What can an omni or even an allo do in a terrain camping situtation

In some cases you just have to cut your losses and find a better target

[viscid mica]

Ya I mean that’s the benefit of it just cuz it works against most if not everything doesn’t invalidate its use

[twilit seal]

Like I said, mayeb you would change your opinion if you fought troodons out in the open as a large prey. Theres literally 0 counterplay aside from predicting dismounts

Or you hope they pin each other or pounce bugs

And if they have few active neurons they wouldnt press space instantly after latching on

[frail cape]

You are goated

[twilit seal]

My main issue with troodon is the fog btw not its damage or agility, its just unfair

Fog is the only unfair part, all the pouncers are stupidly overpowered rn

Because of terrain

Actually allo hs the weakest pounce if it werent for the pin

[viscid mica]

I’ve done it I do ALOT more than predict dismount I predict charges for alts use terrain like yes dealing with 5-10 troodons as a large Dino is annoying af cuz they are so small and hard to hit but that’s all they are small play smart keep them moving burn their stam they’ll lose interest the more of them they lose

[viscid mica]

The fog helps them fight because everything turns so dam fast and makes it really hard to get mounts when they can easily track you

The fog doesn’t even completely hide them just makes it a good bit harder

[twilit seal]

I mean just bait attacks like you would do on any other carnivores

[viscid mica]

And you gotta predict that as the hunted

[twilit seal]

The ground black fog is fine, sometimes cuz of elevation it stacks up and covers your whole screen

And jitters

[viscid mica]

I wouldn’t mind the rest of the fog going but the ground should stay

[twilit seal]

Its much easier to bait it than to predict as troodon still, OH and they parry and cancel attacks i forgot to mention that

[viscid mica]

Parry and cancel?

[twilit seal]

If you dont do it early enough even if the attack goes off and you time it perfectly, if they latch the attack doesnt do anything

[viscid mica]

Debatable its person by person

[twilit seal]

Wait lemme show you an exampl with dibble and omni from my vid

[viscid mica]

That’s desync it happens to everything and applies to all

[twilit seal]

Idk if you know about pounces cancelling attacks

[twilit seal]

No its been a feature since a year now

[viscid mica]

It’s desync

[twilit seal]

No pounces legit just cancel your attacks

Its a pounce safety net

[viscid mica]

Ya but it does that because of desync

[twilit seal]

If it was desync, if you tried to hit another target thats also where the pouncer was, that target would get hit

Also, your dino would turn back after an alt, if you get pounces, yo ur dino doesnt turn

If that makes sense

It is a parry mechanic

Most Troodon players know this

On spiro if you attacked fast enough a pouncing target they would get hit before latching on, now unless its desync it just cancels your prediction

https://youtu.be/VrAJs9gKAMc?t=2278&is=xxhcLA66wPmnO0Xf

Check the timestamp i sent

@viscid mica

And 40:17

My dibble stops turning

[viscid mica]

Sorry lemme read up I was chatting with ma boss

[viscid mica]

No so it’s desync and what happens is the game gets confused and since the game always favours attacker and pounce is many attacks repeatedly it favours that. What causes the attack cancel is the game gets confused gives the mount to the pounder cuz many attacks and than gets confused again and wonders how your attack through that so it animation cancels you

[viscid mica]

Ya 100% game getting confused and animation canceling you to give the omni the animation priority as it got its “attack” first

[twilit seal]

So its essentially a parry mechanic, even if theres 0 desync

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah I can say for certain Ive parried attacks that shouldve def killed me, especially as a troodon

[twilit seal]

The same thing happens with bonebreaking abilities, rex crush on a target thats too large to get stunned has a pseudo “stun” effect

[cosmic pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393349834379104377/1474806125043126485/image.png?ex=69c16b3c&is=69c019bc&hm=8d170acc045f47831ae0f989e4ec48bc2d12454282be8b0a793fd2396f8c3752&

I lived THIS

Its really hard to do, but still bs

Large animals can basically get stunlocked by pouncers if there are enough of them

[viscid mica]

No assigning a bug a name like its intended is stupid it’s a bug and that’s it

[viscid mica]

I’ve never see or experienced that

Sounds like a bug that needs to be addressed

[twilit seal]

Its not a bug tho afaik, its been like that since over a year. Getting damaged doesnt cancel attacks, getting pounced does

Its not a priority thing its a known and utilized thing by troodon players

[viscid mica]

So what your telling me is no one’s reported it or they are struggling to fix it because it’s desync related

[twilit seal]

Or maybe its intended

[viscid mica]

I as someone currently playing with a big troodon group neither knew nor utilized this

[twilit seal]

A safety net because too many people conplained about getting hit while latched on

[viscid mica]

Legit half of them only play troo and they didn’t know about this

[twilit seal]

Now you know

[viscid mica]

We’ve never experienced this nor witnessed it

[twilit seal]

Omnis have been doing it for a longer time

[viscid mica]

Like it genuinely looks like a desync thing

[twilit seal]

You can just hop on and test it

[viscid mica]

At work and too busy atm

[twilit seal]

Not with me rn lol im just saying if youre that curious

You can ask 2 friends to be troodon, you can be whatever dino and use alts

[crystal stream]

Hello

[twilit seal]

One can pounce and one can stand still

[crystal stream]

What’s poopin

[twilit seal]

To see if you can hit the standing one

[crystal stream]

Poppin

🥺

[viscid mica]

Does it only affect alts?

[viscid mica]

Not the Dino’s clearly

[crystal stream]

That should be

New mechanics

It’s so you can lag the game to get advantage

Only cera can do it tho

And Rex

I actually hate cera sm rn

[twilit seal]

Nah but alts are just easer to time

[viscid mica]

Strange

[twilit seal]

Like you can get on allo or dibble and aim right behind you (something with a slower alt), and a troodon can pounce you easier mid animation to cancel

Its much harder to do it on a normal attack yknow?

[crystal stream]

Anyone else think it’s kinda dumb how cera a animal much smaller then allo is almost a better option when fighting other mid teirs like dibble and Maia or am I jst poopy at game

[twilit seal]

Its cuz allos agility sucks compared to cera, and cera has higher damage out put in hit and runs

[crystal stream]

Disgusting innit

Cera smelly

[twilit seal]

I think cera is fine, I just really dislike what allo is right now

It feels clunky to play and for those facing it they often get pinned by multiple

[cosmic pelican]

https://youtu.be/sTchJv6ua0w?is=rgr-o923ChuFJkbZ
Look at 19:57, the alt attack goes THROUGH me, but I land a face pounce mid animation, and I live

[viscid mica]

Holy desync

Bro phased through him

[rich locust]

NERF CERA