balance-feedback-discussion

[brave condor]

i think this is more of a play the game more and experience trail and error through dying unfortunately. 4 dilos at night can easily target 1 or 2 of the less skilled dibble in a group and kill it imo

[random stump]

"theres dilos attacking me!!!!! help guys!!!!!"

https://tenor.com/view/theiceape-gif-9193502810534065409

gg dilos

and thats assuming all of the dilos are top tier

and in a vc and allat

and the diablos are randoms with bad players in their group

[brave condor]

which is usually how it is if we being real

u dont gotta be top tier ionek what that mean 😂 u just gotta play smart and put yourself in the mind of that playable. and hope ping is on your side

[random stump]

yes but the dilos are also randoms with bad players in their group.

[brave condor]

then that’s not a feature of the game’s fault itself, stop grouping with green people

[random stump]

ok so then the skilled dilo pack vs the skilled diablo herd, the dilos get rolled with 0 chance because they're outnumbered by 50% by things that are over 3x their weight

theres not an excuse here twin

[brave condor]

okay bro

tbh idk why you would fight a full herd of something anyway, from my perspective people are having a time on dilo except the fact that it turns like a bus for its weight class and has no slide

but you still have a chance imo of taking at least one down if both parties are truly equally yolked

[random stump]

why shouldnt a full group of my pack hunter have a chance against a full group of a herd animal

and no, you dont have a chance.

you get desynced once and you die, you have to hit them dozens of times

and then you have to keep them envenomated which comes with even more risk

[brave condor]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-mays-eric-mays-meme-breaking-4th-wall-stare-wtf-gif-12606179535757971927

[brave condor]

yes yew deww.

[brave condor]

bc common sense should tell you “hm this matchup of 6 dibbles is risky because they outweigh us”

even if you had more dilos— which technically you do bc venom— that wouldn’t change how you are supposed to target and separate them to see victory and you’d probably run into the same problem

anyway, sorry your experience has been bad

[random stump]

you literally could not possibly target and seperate them with 4 dilos against 6 diablos.

[brave condor]

okay fsh buddy, i really do hope they up the group limit so you can run into the same problem and find another angle to complain about this in

[proud ivy]

Then I’ll find a way

[viscid mica]

Gl

The easiest way is to play unofficials fixes that problem

[proud ivy]

Thank you. I understand the whole unofficial thing, but it’s clearly a problem for official players too

[viscid mica]

Yes but that’s why you play unofficials so it’s not a problem for you anymore

It’s ni impossible to fix unless officials tripled their staff team and started enforcing it

[proud ivy]

Right, but like I said it’s a problem for official players, it may not be you but it’s a large part of the community from what I’ve seen. It’s also not impossible. You particularly don’t need the staff team to double down on enforcing it just add a mechanic that won’t be abused and problem solved, except that’s the hard part.

Which is also why researching is important. 🙂‍↕️

[viscid mica]

The problem is a mechanic that can’t be abused by faster playables doesn’t exist dilos, carnos, omni, galli, Maia, pt he’ll probably even quetz could troll by simply being too difficult to get rid of by the majority of playables

[proud ivy]

Then you have to find a way.

[viscid mica]

Or hear me out

Don’t play on servers that don’t provide protection if it’s such a problem for you I’m not trying to be rude but it’s like walking into a wall expecting it to move for you sometimes you gotta walk around things

[proud ivy]

I understand what you’re saying, but it’s a problem in the community and me, so I’m just trying to do the community a favor if I can crack this down.. and hopefully I can. Plus it’ll be a nice addition.

[viscid mica]

Love the intent but the majority of the problem children aren’t even in the discord

They are apart of the community but not APART of the community

The majority are mega casuals with massive skill issues or cheaters they don’t care system or not they’ll find a work around or abuse it until it’s removed

[proud ivy]

Then I’ll take all of this into accountability and find a way. I’ll stay determined.. just you wait

[viscid mica]

GL man

All I know of they do add a system I’m gonna abuse it as well cuz it’s a bad idea and just makes generally existing around others unenjoyable and further encourages the KOS ALL mentality

[proud ivy]

Ah, then have fun with that. Especially the KOS all mentality which should stretch to even dinosaurs you may or may not mix pack with 🤷‍♂️

[viscid mica]

Funny thing is I play unofficial when no HT so I can’t mix lmao

I simply don’t enjoy the idea or effects of a system that stagnates and rifts good player interaction for the sake of countering a problem that already has a solution

KOSing simply cuz you can is such a lame mentality and closes off a entirely different world of good and fun interactions that make the game feel like a real Dino experience

Some stego main activity

[brave condor]

#balance-feedback message

especially against troodons. and make it to where you can at least peck them when pinned

[maiden temple]

Carnis should always require more brain and skill than herbis. High group limits is one of (if not THE) biggest perk of playing a herbi - yet we're still the minority and you're more likely to see big groups of carnis anyway lol

Pick your target, stalk the group you want to hunt until the target is convenient to bite and kite, and get a jump on them. If there are too many they're more likely than not helping you by causing friendly fire anyway. Get a body, retreat, wait the campers out and then feast

If it's not going in your favour just.. leave. You don't lose any imaginary points for retreating

That's how I play raptor at least, sometimes fights that I assumed would be impossible end up feeding me well

[rustic elm]

My game keeps crashing on the main menu any idea how to fix it?

[thorn mountain]

@gritty steeple it literally does

[gritty steeple]

It’s not long enough

It’s able to miss a pounce then immediately turn and pounce again

[steep gazelle]

It's because of the time that Allo gets stunned

Allo recovers almost instantly from a stun

[stark knoll]

@distant anvil Spacebar can't be used for that since that's the sidestep move

[distant anvil]

Never heard of the sidestep move. So Space Bar actually is doing something?

[stark knoll]

Yup

[distant anvil]

I'm currently in game pressing space bar and it's doing nothing. By default you need to hit "ctrl" to enter defense stance and side step.

[stark knoll]

Yea, when you are locked with someone in spar, hold A or D and tap Spacebar to sidestep

[distant anvil]

Oh that's when you're locked in spar your dinosaur is in a completely different state then.

You could just ignore stance changes during that time or find a better input for that one state.

It's also an insanely hidden input. Nobody knows what they're doing in sparing unless they've watched enough youtube videos of how to do it lol.

[distant anvil]

You bring up a good edge case though that would need to be solved.

[distant anvil]

I updated my idea and called out your edge case as something they'd have to consider.

[icy blaze]

#balance-feedback message

i agree to the allo part but the rex swim speed? it swims alsmost as fast as a teno. did you look at its arms bro? youre not supposed to swim fast with this sticks >.>

[steep gazelle]

@icy blaze I didn't know that yet. What's it like? Is there a video?

[icy blaze]

you talking about my post or what i said above yours?

[steep gazelle]

Your post

[icy blaze]

i sadyl dont have a video no. but you basically have to "present your butt" xD always towards the allo and when it starts to pounce, you kick and it will not be able to land on you

i might have to test that with different allo sizes and could make a video yeah

but still the fast bites of the allo is insane. if its a prime, dont facetank it xD

or butt/facetank lol

[icy blaze]

ive talked to my friend, we will make a video tomorrow ^^

[spice mantle]

@faint robin his original damage was 2800 per crush

[faint robin]

I mean 1500 dmg crush there

[spice mantle]

You ask for so many nerfs, at the very least if they do nerf it, the damage should be enormous. I mean, you ask for nerfs to practically everything and you think it's fair that it only does 1500 damage per crush?? Do you think that's fair???????

[faint robin]

Yeah its fair, cuz rex is bloated rn

[spice mantle]

Okay, I realize you're overrating the trike; simply fixing the trike's bugs is enough

[faint robin]

You won't defend yourself as trike if rex stunlocks you with crushes while you can't reliably stun it and can't turn good enough to face it

Whats the point of face armor when you can't face what's killing you

Rex has everything good vs trike while trike only has 1 chance to stagger rex and overrated thrash which normally lands 1 time at most
And rex doesn't care about it's hp since fractured trike won't hit it at all

Trike is dead after 4 rex hits, no head armor would save trike from rex running circles around it like a 12 ton cera, stunning it with crushes
And that's not counting spar being literally very rex favored tool since rex can push trike to the side - crush stun it and get behind

[dusky surge]

nah, trike's kit is not great either, most ceratopsians atm have really underperforming kits

trike is just thrashspam with very little reason to experiment with any moves that aren't either a thrash or a spar in rex combat, which makes its gameplay dull

if trike could use the charged attack or an alt attack to stagger rex and didn't have all of its damage poured into just the thrash, it might actually be interesting

[faint robin]

Trike should reliably stun rex like stego does

[dusky surge]

i personally still reckon granting CC to the heavy attack and alt-attack and reducing thrash damage, all on top of some bug fixes, the matchup might actually be somewhat interesting

[spice mantle]

All I'm going to say is that you should wait for the devs to fix all the bugged interactions; that will change PvP.

[dusky surge]

yea it's... weird that it doesn't, given there's a super easy way to avoid the stun, being "don't be in front of it"

i think it's again, because of the thrash

it just melts anything it touches, so if trike is ever allowed to do a move to combo into it, it has to be patched out because otherwise it's just "oops i instawin now"

reducing thrash damage and giving trike actual CC/combo potential would do wonders for it

[faint robin]

Trike can only stun rex while running rn and it can only be done 1 time in a fight, while rex spams crushes all of which stun trike

Doubt rex even cares about thrash since it still easily rolls trikes unless thrash bluetooth hits it

[junior jay]

Are you telling me After rex gets behind u You just get ridden to death?
Because if you just counter strafe the rex cant stay behind you and you can use ur Running flip after its not behind you anymore

[faint robin]

Remember rex stuns you woth crush. Strafe was nerfed and youre constantly stunned on top of that

[junior jay]

5 sec stun cooldown is a thing

And when was strafe nerfed

[faint robin]

One of the first HT patches

Both for dib and trike

[junior jay]

They were buffed

Not nerfed

[faint robin]

Not counting trike can't 180 strafe to counter rex riding it

[faint robin]

They weren't :/

[dusky surge]

if you knew what sparring was originally like...

no absolutely not lmao

sparring initially was INSANE with the movement options it gave

[junior jay]

Juvi trike and dib turn rate were buffed

[dusky surge]

that's nothing to do with strafing tho

and dibble's, to my knowledge, wasn't changed, just juvi trike

[faint robin]

Just turn speed on young trikes which doesn't affect rex v trike at all

Cuz young trike is pinned and dead

[junior jay]

Theres nothing on patch notes about strafing getting nerfed

[faint robin]

There are a lot of shadow changes, like trike not being able to stun rex while standing from certain patch is also not stated

[dusky surge]

that is true, the trike stun nerf was absolutely a shadow nerf

it wasn't stated anywhere, but trike's stun threshhold was significantly reduced with rex introduction

[faint robin]

Which is sad

[junior jay]

So how do you know it happened

Since i havent seen anything about it

[faint robin]

Trike stunned release rex, then after some patches it didn't stun rex outside of running flip

[junior jay]

I was talking about strafing

[faint robin]

Iirc somewhere in first patches

[junior jay]

Iirc?

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stare-disappointed-gif-13848065843414333862

[twilit seal]

#balance-feedback message Im pretty sure the actual face crush is the one that doesnt do fracture anymore, not the side stuff in the video. the one that initiates the spar should be fixed in theory, I havent tested it myself

[steep otter]

Did you see the current changes did not help trike and dibble at all? Lmao

[steep otter]

It still does

Even when trike uses block

[twilit seal]

i see ty, also G cancel is back too

R cancel now, on self staggers, works with crush and allo pounce

[steep otter]

Yup

Now even if you miss you recover very fast with rex crush

trike is even MORE COOKED

[twilit seal]

yeah ik i reported them both, I was the one that found the allo one

[dawn cipher]

#balance-feedback message
+1 to this; one pachy trolling in sanc can just... permanently cripple multiple dinos for the rest of their lives, which are likely many hours long? I guess it's a buff to pachy but it's also a buff to rex, which absolutely does NOT need it.

[indigo rain]

Imagine spending a half hour as a juvie, get whacked by a pachy in multiple places, escape with your life, but now you have glass bones. Welp time to kill it off and start over

And thats if you survive because no pachy or rex is letting you escape with bb

[dawn cipher]

Yep! You're cooked if you live, better to just let them kill you at that point

[random stump]

what is glass bones

[limber delta]

You get fractured several times and you get that as a permanent debuff making it easier to get fractured in future

[random stump]

thats silly

[limber delta]

Very

[random stump]

usually a fracture is a death sentence, if i manage to survive multiple times i should be buffed, not hurt

[limber delta]

Agreed. Smells of devs pampering rex (as per usual)

[frosty heron]

@twilit seal Ive searched about and its a myth that the bone gets stronger after healed fractures , it just goes back to its original resistance , if thats added ingame would not be a realistic per se addition but just a videogame feature

Imo the whole glass bones debuff shouldnt exist

[twilit seal]

I looked it up to confirm it as well and Im fairly certain its a real thing

Callus Formation: When a bone breaks, the body forms a "soft callus" of fibrous tissue and cartilage, which is then replaced by a "hard callus" of bone. If a bone is fractured repeatedly, this callus may not fully remodel back to its original shape, leaving behind a thicker, permanent layer of bone.

Periosteal Response: Fractures trigger the periosteum (the outer membrane of the bone) to produce new, woven bone to bridge the gap. Repeated stimulation of the periosteum from multiple injuries or surgical trauma can lead to an over-stimulation of fibroblasts, resulting in excess bone formation.

Wolff's Law: According to Wolff’s Law, bone adapts to the loads under which it is placed. If a repaired bone is subjected to high stress, it will strengthen by increasing its density and thickness.

[spice mantle]

@flat lark Nerving his fracture ability would be too unfair; with the little damage he has, he needs that fracture power. I agree with the rest.

[flat lark]

But not in this extend that after 2 crushes the other dino is already broken

[spice mantle]

Okay, so if you want to do that, you should nerf the Stego's bleed and the Trike's damage if you want it to be fair.

[flat lark]

No why ? I speak from the rexes pov and I hate it that I break stuff after 2 crushes it's just too easy like every fight is just over too fast.

And if you really want it then ig just buff the dmg of rex get it up to 800 biteforce whatever but the fracture needs to be lowered it's too braindead.

[twilit seal]

its because you mentioned you wanted apex fights to last longer, stego and trike have the potential to end the rex faster if it didnt have fracture

[flat lark]

Those fightrs are in rexes favor tho

[twilit seal]

the fight itself somewhat lasts long as rex damage isnt all that high

[flat lark]

I break a trike and what can it do nothing

I walk away sit get stam come back finish it

[twilit seal]

not the stego fight, and without fracture trike can put rex to 50% hp with 2 attacks

yeah but if you want apex fights to last long, you have to nerf the others damage too

fracture is the only saving grace of rex in those fights as 700 damage only is pretty low for an apex

stego does 2k damage with running swing

[indigo rain]

Take a look at longbowmems arm bones or horse rider legbones. Horse riders get a little spur on part of the bone to let them build even more muscle in their legs its nuts lol

[twilit seal]

trike does 4k damage with thrash

[flat lark]

Stego you bait the tail swings get to an angle where it is hard for him to you and you crush him 2 times.

After those 2 crushes he is broken on which you bait like 4 swins out he is out of stam and then you can simply run him down

[flat lark]

if you face tank it but who does that ?

[twilit seal]

no, its takes 3 crushes to fracture a prime stego, and stego can absolutely destroy rexes if it plays right

[flat lark]

thrash locks the trike in one spot which the rex can walk around and crush again

[twilit seal]

yeah but technically rex fight isnt fast, stego doesnt instantly die when fractured like trike either

[flat lark]

With osteo yes without it's 2.

[twilit seal]

if you want something like apex fights to last long, sure you can nerf fracture to take 2x more crushes, but then you have to nerf trike and stego too

[spice mantle]

I think rex need a buff in his damage

[flat lark]

I would nerf rex first let it play out see how fights go and test it and if then the favor is more in the stegos favour then sure nerf them.

for now I want a stego to be broken after 3 crushes without osteo and a trike after 4 without osteo again

And if you really want it 800 biteforce for rex idm

But for me someone who mainly plays rex it's just too op

[twilit seal]

Nah because stego can already dominate the matchup, run a rex down at each growth stage after sub. If you nerf rex without touching the others it just asks for more balance headaches

[icy blaze]

Do glassbones last forever or does it go away at some point

[flat lark]

forever until you die or entombn

which is stupid

[icy blaze]

What the f is this bs

[flat lark]

Have it connected with poor diet sure but not with rex

[icy blaze]

Wth. Why do they do such stuff. Like why do they hate every other dinosaur so badly except for rex, allo and cera

Why does this need to be such an op dinosaur. You cant even run from it at a certain stage. Ure just fed up

[flat lark]

And I just fought a stego as 74% and the stego was full prime and I broke it wafter 3 cruhses and won so I will stand with my point I survived with 63% blood.

But hey everyone can have their opinions but there is a reason why everony says rex is the favourite child.

[twilit seal]

thats just a skill issue on stegos part tho to me

[flat lark]

yeah and I think sometimes it's a skill issue on the rexes part

[frosty heron]

Stego turns fast enought to not let the Rex get a "good angle"

[flat lark]

tho btw they did nerf the healing of rex right ?

[frosty heron]

In fact theres axis where Stego can miss powerswings for free while Rex not getting room to land a crush safely

[flat lark]

Like blood heals way slower now with 0.07 % ticks

[frosty heron]

Also the issue is not Rex bitteforce , thats okish because deals fracture , the proiblem is crush

Crush damage is a joke when you had Congenital dmg reduction it doesnt even reach 1000 dmg for a main apex ability

[flat lark]

...

[frosty heron]

You gotta tell me that less than 1k damage its fine when the other apexes are dealing around 3k - 4k with their main combos lol

Nerf the fracture dmg , fine , give me the damage or the herbs just gonna outdamage Rex before reaching a sweet spot

No need to give them more room for free mistakes

[twilit seal]

it has one of the lowest healing rate alongside trike pretty sure

it was good on ht then got nerfed

[flat lark]

Oh trike got nerfed aswell ?

It has absurd heal

had

[steep otter]

Rex just got even more brainded with the R cancel

[unreal crystal]

Trike feels more braided

Just a slow stupid/boring dinosaur

[faint robin]

So trike is even worse now? Great thx devs ig

[deep bone]

Yeah trike is in such a sad state

[steep otter]

I managed to kill a rex, but he bone breaked me, now iam with a permanent debuff that rex aplies to if another rex sees me he can break me EVEN MORE easily

[faint robin]

As I said, head armor not working wasn't the main issue
Its that the trike is easily circled by rex and stun spammed by crushes

[deep bone]

You are punished for surviving, that's so messed up.

[slow quarry]

Wait that’s a new addition to the game?

[steep otter]

Its even worse now, if you manage to dodge a crush rex can hit R and recover, they also fixed the bug of crush not working on sharp Angles so now its even easier to use

[steep otter]

Yup

[slow quarry]

Welp I’m done playing Rex crush is balanced, F all that

[steep gazelle]

It's not enough that Rex is op, everything in the game favors him even more, even the bugs xd

[spice mantle]

There are a lot of bugs that benefit the T-Rex; we just have to wait for them to be fixed. Once all that's fixed, then you can complain all you want.

[spice mantle]

because of bugs

[faint robin]

Head armor was fixed

And as I said it didn't really help cuz its not the only trike v rex problem

[spice mantle]

Its not dude

[faint robin]

Its stated to be fixed

[spice mantle]

Yes but its not

Still bugged

[steep gazelle]

Bugs are just one of the problems. Even without them, Rex remains op

[spice mantle]

No

[faint robin]

Nah rex is def op w out trike bugs

[dusky surge]

given that even before the changes rex could easily assride trike, im genuinely so unsurprised lmao

[junior jay]

Ru talking about legacy cause that aint happening In evrima

[dusky surge]

it is def happening in EVRIMA lmao

[junior jay]

Show me 1 vid of someone riding a good trike player

[low crystal]

Yeah the games ass what’s new

[steep otter]

The glass bones debuff iss driving me nuts

[slow quarry]

It makes me not even want to play the game anymore tbh ^

This game is basically just a T-Rex simulator now with how strong it is. Just run anything down and spam crush.

[viscid mica]

There are dozens pick a content creator

[junior jay]

show me 1

[viscid mica]

1 sec

https://youtu.be/l7-YOHLfGeQ?si=t6OjEle51sTy7W9V

https://youtu.be/sav1oMPupFw?si=h2M2C66IVU_J7cSY

[junior jay]

ahh yes the guy who got caught hacking

[viscid mica]

https://youtu.be/w8FGE8pErfs?si=I-ATFOzGt2rMctFo

[viscid mica]

Mini trike?

Was he?

I know ninjayas was

[junior jay]

im not watching all of these give me a time stamps or smth

[viscid mica]

don’t ask for videos if you ain’t gonna watch 😭

[junior jay]

you gave me like 50 min of wtching

[viscid mica]

Minis video explains in detail the Rex trike match up

Metta just go to the end

[junior jay]

metta didnt even get ridden and she said shes a bad trike

[faint robin]

Minitrike showed rex vs trike good enough, clearly stated and shown how rex dominates trike

[steep otter]

At least now i can block the rex toss quick enought

Before the pacth it was impossible

[steep otter]

This one is short @junior jay

Tbh i think trike does still need CC on its alts, dibble has well

[junior jay]

hell no

trike is fine rn

[viscid mica]

Rex main in denial

[junior jay]

ew i dont play rex

[steep otter]

@analog mirage a "Strong blood loss" ot idk "deep wounds" debuff where trombosis just dont save you would be interesting

Given how op that mut is

[analog mirage]

Thrombosis should just be reworked entirely

But at least for blood loss debuffs. It should be like “you lost X amount of blood (let’s say 200%) which would be like double your bloodpool ini total blood loss

You bled too much and now your bloodpool is smaller

Or you just become vulnerable to bleed

[dusky surge]

heres the thing

[faint robin]

It's not, needs reliable cc vs rex

[dusky surge]

why add these mechanics at all

[junior jay]

it has a much better chance now than it did in legacy so im happy with it

[faint robin]

Still lacking vs rex

[dusky surge]

ehhh no

CC on ceratopsian alts would do wonders for these animals and drag them out of being extremely repetitive in their combat

honestly, i'd advocate for additionally reducing trike thrash and overall buffing ceratopsian damage in other areas besides thrash

[dusky surge]

i mean

legacy is not really a great example lmao

[junior jay]

why cc on alts that like the most op thing you could think of

[dusky surge]

no, not really lol

the alts are still extremely slow, and pachy/rex already have them and they work very well for their brawler niches

like compared to a rex headswing, it'd be way easier to dodge and react to

[analog mirage]

Imo these mechanics should only ever take effect if you’ve taken a too many fractures, or have bled enough where you could bleed out like twice, etc.

Not to heavily punish the average player. More so more so making you think about taking fights, being careful about breaking your bones (in fights or cliffs)

[junior jay]

rex should be ambush niche anyways

[dusky surge]

rex is both, that's kinda been the idea of it since the start

ambush/brawler, but at the cost of endurance is the main idea

how that's actually executed in game is a different story entirely

[analog mirage]

Which imo make for more authentic elder requirements

[steep otter]

Fr, only dibbles trash that does not need damage reduction, it does not do that much damage anyway, CC on alts would solve so manny issues with trike and dibble

[dusky surge]

dibble thrash might need a damage increase tbh LMAO

[steep otter]

Also the HOLD LMB still sucks on trike

[steep otter]

Yeah, its barely more them a spar headbut, and you can sometimes hit spar headbut x2 times on a down target for more damage them trash atack

[analog mirage]

Wouldn’t mind experimenting with adding cc to ceratopsian alt attacks

Since they are swinging those frills around

[steep otter]

The animation itself is quite long

Easy to bait and does not hit often

[dusky surge]

its quite literally one of the longest, slowest alts in the game

i genuinely dont know why people think it'd be broken

[steep otter]

Rex has a much faster alt that not only does CC also deals fracture damage

And is a faster and more agile animal

And people are fine with that, idk why they would not be fine with ceratopsians alt CC

[junior jay]

isnt giga endurance ;-;

[dusky surge]

yes, i would assume so

[steep otter]

Yeah bleeder, persistence hunter

[dusky surge]

but i'd also imagine giga to be a poor brawler

[junior jay]

so rex is both but giga is only 1

[analog mirage]

It does feel like they just made Rex good at everything

[steep otter]

It kinda only somewhat of a weakness is bleeding but traumatic just negates that

[spice mantle]

i think with shant is gonna be 50/50 if rex fractures it and i hope that

[junior jay]

yeh rex has pin,knockdown,bb,good turn, good speed, good abilities,high dmg, decent bleed

[dusky surge]

god it better not be lmao

[steep otter]

If rex has a 50/50 with shant alone it is beyond broken

[dusky surge]

if rex has a 50/50 with shant, there really is nothing it can't do

at that point, why even have giga lmao

[steep otter]

Exactly

[steep otter]

It will hunt even camas

[dusky surge]

rex's main two weaknesses right now are

• sucks against bleed
• not great at hitting above its weightclass

if its 50/50ing against a shant, that means the weightclass thing is gone, leaving bleed, which only applies to specific opponents

[steep otter]

And also can be countered by a single mutation

[dusky surge]

if we want balance, shant should just... kick the ass of any overconfident rex

its main predator should be giga, rex should be an inconvinience at best

[steep otter]

Its insane how much rexes are being saved just by traumatic being a thing

[spice mantle]

Hello nah pls, at least the pvp need to be 60/40

[steep otter]

Exactly

[dusky surge]

no

[steep otter]

A adult shant should never fear a rex alone

[pseudo ember]

Maybe in a 2v1

[dusky surge]

rex should just be hard outclassed by a shant

[steep otter]

Its like carno, imagine if carno could not only small game hunt very well but also hunt animals much larger them it?

[pseudo ember]

How big is Shant?

[dusky surge]

hell i dont even think a 2v1 should be particularly favourable for a rex

you know there's a cutoff point for crush where if something is too far above your weight class, you just don't do much of anything to it? that should apply to shant

[steep otter]

16-20 ton estimates

[dusky surge]

big, think over 10 tons at least

like it likely will be around the 15 range

[pseudo ember]

Oh ok

Yeh Rex ain’t doing anything to Shant unless they reduce Rex fractures and go back to the damage based Rex

[dusky surge]

even if they did

it really wouldn't matter that much

[spice mantle]

Maybe buff rex crush

[steep otter]

If elder shant Cross the 19.111kg Mark rex will deal 0 fracture damage btw

[dusky surge]

maybe don't

[spice mantle]

If rex can fracture shant there is a oportunity, and maybe devs buff rex?? Idk

[steep otter]

It already is like the one of the strongest atack in the game

[dusky surge]

no, because rex is not meant to be a shant predator or rival

there will exist something outside of your prey range, no matter what dino you are

[pseudo ember]

Arguably stronger than trike thrash

No wait it is no?

[dusky surge]

a giga will not be hunting anky

a rex will not be hunting sauropods

a spino will not be hunting... literally anything that can run particularly fast

[steep otter]

Not in damage, but it can fracture

[pseudo ember]

I don’t think spino will be a active hunter something like cera

[pseudo ember]

It can kill anything that is 5350 tons

[steep otter]

Likely will not be cacthing much stuff outside of other semi aquatics and things at the waters edge

[steep otter]

Oh yeah forgot pin existed

[pseudo ember]

Trike thrash can only kill a fg dibble

So 3k I think

[steep otter]

Rex can kill with a single hit any animals that are 6150kg when prime with pin

[dusky surge]

most likely won't be, but that's sort of the idea

bigass super brawler

[pseudo ember]

I heard it may be getting downsized tho

[steep otter]

I hope spino is the raw damage type

Just pure DPS with claw strikes

[pseudo ember]

Both

But like mid dmg but fast dps

[spice mantle]

Only in the fracture damage, but in damage is a atack so poor, in damage is the worst atack in a apex

[steep otter]

True, but tbh fractures are way more op them like a extra 300 damage

[pseudo ember]

To be fair you can do 1400 dmg with crush if you crush a stego

It does a light pin

[dusky surge]

i hope so too, no gimmicks, just raw power

[steep otter]

Also since crush does stun , tou can get a extra bite in, so its not really only 700, its more like 700+700

[spice mantle]

300 dmg do a Lot of diference

[dusky surge]

compared to fracture? not really

[steep otter]

Its more like 1400

[pseudo ember]

I always thought if something is fractured by crush would I start doing more dmg or not?

[steep otter]

Crush + garantie bite

[spice mantle]

Not in shant

[dusky surge]

yes, not on shant, good

[steep otter]

Shant is not a rex prey item

[dusky surge]

this is the part where you realise that's not a fight you wanna take as a rex lmao

[steep otter]

It like wanting carno to hunt maia

[dusky surge]

hell, if maia is to be believed, shant might be faster than rex lmao

[pseudo ember]

I wished they kept 850 bite force

[steep otter]

Likely

[dusky surge]

but with the whole "agility and accel are awful in biped"

because, yes, they probably would be

[steep otter]

Hadros are built for running

Likely will also have a better trot

Not a animal you would wanna face has a lone rex

Especialy if its concept art its to be belived and it can crush/pin stuff with its weight

[spice mantle]

Hell nah pls

[viscid mica]

Rex has cc on alts….

[junior jay]

yeah and rex is op

[dusky surge]

pachy also has CC on alts and isn't OP

[viscid mica]

Does it?

It didn’t before is that something I missed on Rex HT?

[dusky surge]

it literally has always had that

[viscid mica]

Am I blind or just forgetful

Imma go with 14 hour shift just ended and brain is barely braining

[junior jay]

pachy is 700 kg

and its alts are slow af

[steep otter]

dibble and trike are has well

only rex has fast alts with cc

AND fracture damage

[slim dragon]

I think that's because all of rex's attacks are just overshadowed by crush so nobody ever uses them

[junior jay]

you cant tell me dibs alt is slow

[steep otter]

Is is? Have you ever seen how fast cerato and allo alts are?

[junior jay]

Is is?

and dib alts are faster than cera

[dusky surge]

there's literally no way thats true lmao

[junior jay]

check then

[steep otter]

not at all

[junior jay]

same speed or faster

[viscid mica]

They aren’t

Cera is faster dibbles is closeish but def noticeably slower

It’s just far meatier then ceras

Plus dibble has a longer recovery

[junior jay]

so cause it has longer recovery it should knockdown

great idea then dryo needs knockdown

[steep otter]

Jesus , rex can still run circles around trike

[slim narwhal]

explain how would he be able to fight a trike with the same or worse turn radius

make trike alt faster it's a way better option

[steep otter]

Nah, better to give them CC

[slim narwhal]

just a little

to much and it becomes rlly op

cant make rex take more then 1 trash per cc

[finite shadow]

@feral hazel allo got its stam reduced during HT, it currently has less then dibble

[feral hazel]

It's terrible. Can't remember last time I played it but today was a shock for me. Lil bro can't run for a bit without getting below 60% stam.

[finite shadow]

It’s pretty bad until you hit adult and get your fast trot

[autumn flicker]

are they planning to add more trike movesets near the future?

[spice mantle]

trike doesnt need nothing dude

[random stump]

pachy alt CC results in a body fracture follow up onn an omni

rex alt cc results in a dead anything that isnt rex trike or stego and usually they're screwed too

these are not the same

[golden tapir]

ones an apex that takes 12 hours to grow, the other takes one hour

just dont get close to the rex and youll be fine. hes slower than 95% of the roster

[random stump]

the trex sits in any of the 999999999999 rex sized bushes all over the entire map

and has a murder sprint that makes it faster then cerato temporarily if im not mistaken (which i may be)

very skillful animal

[golden tapir]

I have not gotten ambushed by a rex since its release. nobody ambushes, and even if they try, their stomps are loud as hell you can hear them from a mile away and if you react fast enough youll be able to get away. dont forget that bushes make sound even when crouch moving on top of them and people can hear that from 100 meters away. lastly if all else fails and you do get ambushed by a rex. well thats too bad, the rex outplayed you, deserved kill.

[golden tapir]

slower than cerato even if the cerato is at 100%. it only becomes faster when he gets his prime speed. and thats a prime issue

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Locational damage is a good thing, especially for comebacks. Pvp quality would suffer if it wasn't there

[maiden temple]

You forgot how we flipped the raptors back to back and there was nothing they could do about it? Unbelievable

[vale sluice]

Balance feedback is used to suggest buffs or nerfs, or is that part of the general feedback?

[maiden temple]

It's for whatever you can think of that affects balance between dinos, mostly players interacting with other players + stats. General is for just about everything else

[viscid mica]

ah ya know what thats a good point i havent played pachy in a hot minute as my gf hates the pachy community thus pachy

[crystal stream]

I lwk agree but Rex could use a lil tuning imo

[true ginkgo]

@dawn cipher if you think hypsi prime is bad, you should see beip prime.

At peak prime, you gain 0kg weight, and lose 1.3kph in speed.

Not frail prime. Peak prime.

Beip peak prime is largely a downgrade from regular adult

[dawn cipher]

Yeah, I mentioned that in my post as well

Like I said, it feels like Prime stats were calculated by throwing darts, not actually thinking about the balance & ecosystem niche of each animal

[true ginkgo]

I don't mind varied prime improvments. But yeah some primes feel completely pointless

getting a prime galli then getting one tapped by a random omni far smaller than yourself is wtf

[cobalt dagger]

That and I think the claws should apply some really strong bleed but I suppose that falls into the raw power category and not gimmick

[steep otter]

I hope its like trike, deals some bleed but much more raw power and dps

[cobalt dagger]

I'm talking about spino not trike

OH wait you are too whoops

Yeah I want spino to be raw damage/dps too with bleed added on top of that.

[steep otter]

Yup i hope the same has well

Just RAW power, i hope he will out dps rex and giga

[steep otter]

Prime teno, beipi and hypsy just suck

[spice mantle]

that doesnt have any sense XD

[dusky surge]

why would it not

spino is an absolute monster in this game

rex will probably still do more burst damage, just not as good with DPS

[vale brook]

because spino is a fisher :/ small mouth....

[cobalt dagger]

He's gonna be slower, and he won't be a paleo-accurate spino, it's gonna be the isle's personal genetically modified super-spino.

[cobalt dagger]

I think he's gonna use his claws

[spice mantle]

you dont know how its gonna be XD

just wait, hes not gonna be the more overpowered dino

[cobalt dagger]

Well I'm not the one who knows but I think people who do know said as much. But y'know I don't have quotes for ya so we'll just have to wait.

But in this game speed can be pretty powerful, it's likely other things will hit-and-run spino.

Even if it does have raw dps.

[dusky surge]

yea, its not like spino is winning in the speed game

[vale brook]

it was sarcasm

anyone whos seen our spino (should) knows that its likely to rival rex in pretty much every sense of the word, except for ecologically

[cobalt dagger]

I did not detect the sarcasm at all but maybe that's because I can't hear tone via typing.

[steep gazelle]

Spino is a fisher in real life, on the isle he is a Godzilla

[thorn mountain]

loooks like a fisher to me

look its fishing!

im just saying, notice how the actual fishers have fishing in their concept?

spino would most likely fish in this game, but like as a last hope

or on the side

[steep otter]

Our spino is basicaly JP3 monster spino

Not the real deal

[steep otter]

Likely will focus more on fishing when small, and hunt more when large

[thorn mountain]

Yea

[steep gazelle]

@crisp heart I agree with everything except the buff to the bite force. As long as rex causes fractures in the standard bite and the crush remains op, the damage has to remain the same

[icy blaze]

We did it.

#videos-and-streams message

Teno players are not lost yet. Keep fighting

https://youtube.com/shorts/v1v3fsRMiLc?si=w0ne1bJEGrQ_35ZE

[cobalt dagger]

Hey does anyone know, if I'm a cera and I vomit on some body and a rex eats it 2 seconds after, does he throw up?

[cobalt dagger]

This is nice to know!

[icy blaze]

as long as it is not smelling rotten the rex is fine

[cobalt dagger]

Aw darn. I don't have a rex around but I was hoping I could keep the food to myself (faster) by throwing up on it.

Thanks for the info!

[icy blaze]

smell it when you vomited on it, it smells yellow, if it stops being yellow, vomit on it again. but thats all you can do. another thing is you can take chunks out. they rot faster

but atm this is bugged. but i figured a trick. if you have a second person they need to pick up the chunk you took out last, whilst they hold it you can take out another one and so on

[cobalt dagger]

How do I steal teno eggs from a teno nest as cera?

[tropic falcon]

Go to nest and hit G to pick up

[cobalt dagger]

TY

Sadly it's not working 8(

[crystal stream]

Maybe I’m crazy but I lwk think besides pin allos pounce isn’t that op and I lwk don’t want them to remove it I think they should tweak it a lil bit allo isn’t rlly that good without it its kinda underwhelming

[bitter iris]

Ya it’s pounce is fine it’s just pin/grapple. I feel most people agree with this. It’s just pounce is a little bit goofy

[crystal stream]

If they would just change up how buggy and goofy the pounce looks are remove pin I think allos fine otherwise

[soft tiger]

It would be nice to have the juvenile versions of the deer, boar and goat back for the smaller creatures. Especially since all the adult versions have been buffed. Is there plans for these to return?

[maiden temple]

Not the half teno

[maiden temple]

Good luck timing that with allo players with more than 100 ping

Having a safe rock is still the way

[maiden temple]

I hope so, it was nice to see them just roaming as well

[maiden temple]

The pounce itself looks awful on something so big, it's look off balance and just.. not quality

At least on smaller things

Could just be a general sizing issue

[crystal stream]

It looks horrible but from a balance perspective I lwk think it needs it

[maiden temple]

Grapple would look amazing for it, not pounce

Which is what we're getting anyway afaik

It's just a fancy pounce ig

I'm really torn when it comes to pin in general, it's a great mechanic to ambush creatures you otherwise could not catch no matter what, but since lives became much more valuable now it's a bit.. unfair even

[icy blaze]

It worked several times for me already

[maiden temple]

I'm not even trying that honestly, tail slam, maybe, not that. I don't wanna lose my teno

[icy blaze]

Tailslam does do nothing to a prime allo. The kick at least gives you a chance to escape

[maiden temple]

Huh? How does that work?

Was cc removed from tail completely?

Unless you're saying it's not the cc stopping it, just a bug. I'm confused now

okay I missed the fact you 'stopped' the pounce with your face lmao

So it's not even a miscalculated cc, it's just teno animation taking priority over allos

[icy blaze]

It is the kick that stops the allo from pounce. If you time it right. Which is kinda easy. You cant stop pounce with tailslam.

[maiden temple]

Yeah it's a different animation, I thought it's bugged cc at first, but it's not

[thorn mountain]

@distant anvil nice feedback but a nitpick I saw was you saying even when the last patch said clones fixed, it actually said they are broken completely

[vale brook]

i also spotted that but i was like meh not my job

[warm flax]

I was imagining Allo’s grapple as a skill that slows its prey while dealing small amount of damage, allowing its teammates to attack from the opposite side. If the prey is much larger than the Allo, it could drag the Allo around instead(eventually breaks free if it keeps running), but at the cost of increased bleed
and while they stuck in the grapple animation , its prey can try smash it into obstacle or buck it, a succesful buck can cause allo to self stun for a short amount of time

[distant anvil]

Good catch, I must have misread it. That explains some things. Well to my earlier point can never tell when the darn things are working or not.

[vale brook]

#balance-feedback message all hypsi needs is a mechanic that keeps it from flinging off trees that curve slightly inward

i think having different forms of climbing for different animals is fine, i really dont see the issue lol

[viscid mica]

@open path allo is already faster than it should be but I can agree that Rex is also way too fast

[viscid mica]

@oblique bramble it’s got a 15 second cool down on crush btw

[oblique bramble]

uhm where...

[viscid mica]

Go test it

You can fact check me on it

[steep otter]

Its not 15 seconds is more like 3-4

[spiral ledge]

should be atleast 10 secs of cooldown

[viscid mica]

When was this video made? Also super hard to count when it’s 2/3x speed video

[steep otter]

Today

[spiral ledge]

look at the version , it is from today

[viscid mica]

Noted noted

[steep otter]

Rex can crush again has soon has he lifts his head up from the last crush

[viscid mica]

It was 15 I see it’s changed

[steep otter]

It only takes 4-5 seconds at most

[viscid mica]

The cooldown begins after you release the button funny enough not from hit/miss

[viscid mica]

Are you able to test rn

I’m not if you can could you go and just use release and use again

I wanna see it unsped up

[steep otter]

Iam not in my home rn but i will test sure

[viscid mica]

I can test myself when I’m home later too

(If I remember)

[steep otter]

I saw good rexes break trikes in 15 seconds in pvp servers

Its kinda nuts

[viscid mica]

Oh ya 2 crushes with follow up bites and it’s over

[oblique bramble]

like i said its not 15 sec its 2 max

[viscid mica]

It’s longer than that

I’ll test when I’m home and clip it

[spice mantle]

15 seconds????? thats crazy, you dont want balance, you want rex get killing by all the roster dude

[steep otter]

Its 3-4 seconds currently

[spice mantle]

thats good

[crystal stream]

Ik it’s kinda rng but does anyone know how may pounces bleed outa dibble

From allo I mean

[faint robin]

You want rex to be no effort playable we already got this

Rex breaking trike in 15 seconds is not okay

[stark ether]

Rex having the advantage vs a trike of the same age should only ever happen from ambush

[dusky surge]

this is the best way to do the matchup idk why some people are so against it

you approach a trike's face, you should lose

[stark ether]

Rex should be faster than trike, with worse stamina and stamina regeneration

That way a trike that sees a Rex coming can get away with a headstart

That being said, although a trike’s attacks should beat a Rex handily, they should also cost a lot of stamina

So if a trike decides to run down a Rex, it’ll lose the fight when it catches up

And that way a Rex can also still fight a trike by trying to bait out attacks if an ambush isn’t successful, it’ll just be at a disadvantage

[viscid mica]

Tested it’s 6 Breh

Something got bugged in this last patch because it was most definitely 15 seconds before

We had literally tested it on a PVP server so that we could learn how to fight Rex as other dinos better

[spice mantle]

Trike can kill rex in 15 sec too

[steep gazelle]

If Rex doesn't know how to press WASD and shift, yes

[faint robin]

Afk rex

[steep gazelle]

@feral hazel The environment is Stego greatest enemy, Mainly trees and Rocks, Even bushes now make stego selfstun if hit a Powerswing

Stego needs to play in the open, but Trike can certainly use environment

[faint robin]

Trike still needs to reliably stun rex with hold LMB to be competitive against it

[feral hazel]

Stego is indeed horrible in the forest. But it can use Rocks, just not the way as Trike

For example, at the upper part of Riverlands, there are rocks that near water and you can stand on them as a platform. I use that to even get rid of 2 rexes

[faint robin]

Head armor fixes did little to nothing for trike in rex v trike fight, rex still runs circles around it and crush spams it

[feral hazel]

It did wonders in certain situations. First of all, Trike can actually finally use the environment and won't get body crushed trough its head

Trike backing into a corner did little to nothing before they fixed this

now its a massive survival chance boost

[faint robin]

Trike forced to use environment is kinda not how it should fight rex

[feral hazel]

It shouldn't be forced. Thats why Rex needs some changes. Though I believe using environment in your defense is a good addition.

[faint robin]

Rex is ambusher, trike is supposed to face and fight, rn we have rex effortlessly walking to the trike, roaring and stunning/fracturing it with crush spam while circling it

[feral hazel]

and once again, No creature should feel safe in the complete open. Otherwise people just going to walk and sit on the open fields with zero fear.

[faint robin]

They really can't make trike competitive vs its main enemy since start of rex hordetest lol

[golden tapir]

no its not

rex needs a nerf and trike needs a buff

rex is broken right now its a no skill playable

[feral hazel]

Since when was Rex declared as an ambusher? Also, can you explain me how being an ambusher would change anything? Rex vs Trike isn't decided by one crush/bite. It needs multiple to break. Ambushing will at best, give you 1 crush and 1 bite in for a prey that can take 10+ of them. Rex needs a running turn radius nerfs and it will be very much equal. They also need to fix a lot before it's going to be properly balanced, cuz sparring is bugged as hell.

[golden tapir]

nerf rex fracture damage, nerf his turn radius and speed a bit, buff his bleed resistance so stegos dont just demolish rexes like they do now, bug fix stego power swing speed because theres a technique that lets you power swing 2x faster, and give trike stun for alt attacks and make trike able to alt attack while fractured

[golden tapir]

it only takes 3 to win

[feral hazel]

Yeah, those are good. Though you can kill Stegos, you just can't run around like a maniac.

[golden tapir]

3 leg breaks a trike. when hes leg broken its game over

[feral hazel]

Yes

I'm aware, being an ambusher still won't change the outcome. the issue isn't about being an ambusher or not

and I don't want Trike, Stego nor anything to have a luxury to walk like it's owns the place on the open. Nor do I want it with Rexes.

[golden tapir]

exactly

[feral hazel]

Unless you are in a herd or a sauropod, you should be cautious on the open field, doesn't matter what you are.

[faint robin]

Ambush still gives you advantage. Rex is ambusher cuz of super quiet crouch and murder sprint

[golden tapir]

i mean rex wont be safe in the open when giga comes out lol. even a stego pack can run a rex down in the open. rex is fine as it is as an ambusher he just needs a speed nerf

and the nerfs i listed above

[feral hazel]

Murder sprint isn't really used for Ambush rn, as it can straight up spot you in the middle of the field and catch up. It's way too long for that. Ambush gives you a slight advantage, It matters against prey that can run away. It matters less against Stegos and Trikes. Especially if Fracture dmg gets nerfed or fracture health of stego/trike gets buffed as suggested by a lot of people.

All I'm saying is, you need 1 bad nerf, and rex will not be able to hunt stegos and trikes at all, cuz the dmg output of Trike and Stego is massively stronger than Rex's

[golden tapir]

stego does not need more fracture health

that playable is beyond broken

its just trike needs help

[feral hazel]

I also think Stego is about 98% in the right spot. Rex needs to be very careful with it or it dies like a dog. I would probably change that it cannot raise it's tail after body/leg break cuz after that Stego is legit just a walking meatbag even if it has half the health.

I managed to Hunt stegos a few times, but It's much more dangerous to Rex than Trike is rn

and that is a bit of an issue though

[golden tapir]

no playable should be defensless when fractured imo thats just bad design

[faint robin]

Being in the open should favor trike vs an ambush playable

[golden tapir]

if stego cant raise tail after fracture thats not good even if you give him more fracture health

it just makes it less interactive yk

[feral hazel]

defenseless, no. Disadvantage, yes. You need to make mistakes to get fractured and mistakes should be punished. If you want fractures to be less punishing, you need to compensate with damage.

[faint robin]

Just give trike back it's standing flip which stuns rex, will help a lot, why is rex better at stunning trike than trike is at stunning rex

[golden tapir]

fracture is already punishing enough though. makes the stego cosume more stamina from each swing and he cant run anymore so his main damage output (180 swing) gets disabled. thats fine as it is

[faint robin]

They bothched standing flip by overnerfing its cc and giving it engage animation for some reason. Trike has 2 moves with 1 animation lol

[feral hazel]

running swing worths nothing against a proper rex cause they will crush you beforehand and it will cancel the swing

Also when I say punishing, I mean for all creatures. I'm fine with fractures being less punishing, but they need compensation. Rex needs to run in 10+ times to finish something off. Its dmg output is lower than Stego's or Trikes on a massive level.

Though I agree, being fractured should not mean certain death

[golden tapir]

its actually your most important attack to win rex fights. if you time it correctly and know the hitboxes no rex will ever win against you. I learned this from the best stego player called "K I N G". he spams 180 swinga and if rexes try to crush you to cancel the swing it wont work if the stego reacts fast enough to swing

[feral hazel]

as it is right now, esp for Trikes

[golden tapir]

yeah trike should still be able to alt attack while fractured

[feral hazel]

Idk, all Stegos I meet who tried to run up to me, I canceled all. I'm personally more of a defensive side with stego. I mean if you can manage to do a swing thats great, but you have to min-max accuracy or you will get greatly punished for it

Though I will say one thing, Stego is better than well equipped to deal with Rexes. Like legit after one mistake, you put them on a timer with lethal bleed if they aren't careful with movement.

[golden tapir]

i can 1v1 you and we can test it

but im confident ill hit my 180s

[feral hazel]

If you add me we can do it this week, I'm just busy right now

[faint robin]

Yeah stego is better than trike vs rexes which is funny

[golden tapir]

yeah thats fine. let me send you a friend request and just lmk

[feral hazel]

okay!

[feral hazel]

In Face to Face, Rex should prefer Stego over Trike any day of the week, so yes. In Ambush, I think it should prefer Trike as it has harder for it to react to a flank or 6 attack

[faint robin]

Rex's literal opponent is worse vs it than stegosaurus. I hope devs actually help trike properly instead of giving minor fixes on top of more rex buffs

[feral hazel]

yeah, though I will say Stego is only good if its near or is peak prime. Adult stego is nothing with its 6 ton. I suggested a weight curve change for it hopefully they listen. Stego doesnt need to be heavier overall, but it needs to pick up more weight sooner.

[faint robin]

Give trike ability to stun rex from standing flip and its already way better vs rexes

Standing flip used to stun other trikes and it should clearly stun rexes, cuz rex can stun trike with crush no matter the movement. Trike is only able to stun rex w running flip which it uses once in a fight. Giving trike more reliable stun vs rex is the way

[feral hazel]

I think we need to go one by one with quick changes. Imo literally with no changes to trike, but a nerf to its turn to Rex, it's actually insanely better already. I just don't want them to nerf Rex and buff Trike at the same time because it's very easy to flip it to the other side, where Trike gets unchallengable. I mean both needs changes but there can be 1 nerf and 1 buff thats in sinergy and we are in the same dogtoy balancing issue except with the other side of being the clear winner.

[faint robin]

I mean rex stuns trike while already having an advantage, why shouldn't trike stun rex to compensate for worse turning?

[feral hazel]

Read what I said. I said if Rex turn gets nerfed, it doesn't need to compensate to anything. Rex's strongest tool is its baiting and spacing due to having the kit of speed and turn radius. You might not even need to give standing stun for the trike after the turn nerf.

as I said, if there is a nerf and buff that's affects the same thing, it can overdo it very easily

I do want Trike to get better, I just don't think we should straight go into nerfing one to the ground and buff other at the same time. Lets do a Rex nerf, check how it fairs again, if needed after the nerfs, buff Trike

instead of flipping the table and doing both at once

Though I would say they need to be quicker with the adjustments

[faint robin]

Rex turning too good mostly matters vs trike anyways, it doesn't need a huge turn nerf as well as trike doesn't need a huge turn buff. Better turning w out stun won't help trike against rex stunning and fracturing it

[feral hazel]

It does help a lot, Rex can only fracture from side/back. If it cannot dance around a trike, it will be much harder to fracture it as the head is no longer a place you can fracture

[faint robin]

Issue is trike not being able to prevent rex from riding it, which was the issue with stego too which changed with stun

[faint robin]

Rex can literally enter spar with trike, push it to the side and crush its side

[feral hazel]

Yes but what causes this? It caused by the turn and speed and environmental disadvantage

[feral hazel]

Do not even mention spar, as its not even close to be finished. Trike can often Trash while being in spar, due to a bug

if that happens Rex lost the fight immediately

Sparring is not even a balance conversation until its fixed imo

Though last time I checked, I couldn't do what you said anymore

[faint robin]

Stun on hold lmb alone will change trike vs rex to a better degree

[golden tapir]

nah

[faint robin]

No more?

[golden tapir]

@faint robin trike can do the same and trike can avoid that by holding right click

[feral hazel]

Last time I checked it couldn't

[slow quarry]

Rick Rex can fracture Trike in just a couple crushes right now, which is a death sentence for a trike. That doesn’t seem fair.

[golden tapir]

rex can but it wont work if trike holds right click in spar

[faint robin]

Trike has no benefits in doing it

Since trike can't stun rex when stationary
Which it should be able to do 🙂

[golden tapir]

yes he does. you can hold right click and if the rex pushes you to the side it wont work so then you counter push him. if he doesnt push then you push him instead

[feral hazel]

Trike can take half of a Rex health with a single trash. Its not fair is it? Well it is, cause if the Trike doesn't time it well, it gets punished for it. If Trike doesn't play properly, it will get fractured. But we went over this above. Fractures needs to be less punishing, Rex needs a compensation for that. Rex turn needs nerf etc etc etc.

[faint robin]

Pushing rex to the side does notjing for trike outside of 1-2 hits, trike can't stun rex

[golden tapir]

yeah trike needs better cc

[feral hazel]

I'm okay for giving Trike a stun, but then it trash damage needs to be nerfed by a lot. If the stun is long enough to execute a full trash, then Trike will win 10 out of 8 times.

[faint robin]

Thrash is not landing on a good rex, why do ppl keep mentioning those ooga booga big numbers when trike is literally punished for thrash most of the time, even if it lands - rex still gets time to get behind and stun trike

[feral hazel]

But once again, doing all the buffs and nerfs at the same time will not do any good for balance. Balancing needs a careful method of implementing some changes and test it. Not instantly putting out 30 nerfs and 25 buffs

[feral hazel]

I'm saying its an issue if the stun is long enough to execute a full trash.

Because one mistake will be more than half your health gone

[faint robin]

Thrash can be nerfed but not massively, its a very high risk move unlike rex crush
4k on cc'd target will be alright for thrash, and smth like 2.5-3k for standing target

[feral hazel]

Rex when runs in and crushes+bites, thats not even close to a damage a trike could do with a stun+trash

[spice mantle]

i think first to talk about nerf and buff they need to fix the sparring and need to be working at 100%now the pvp is more balanced because a bug fixed, just wait for more fixes and pvp is gonna be balanced

[feral hazel]

also true. Sparring is a big issue rn

Trash hitting behind them is also a bug

[faint robin]

Its an autowin fracture which is more punishing for trike than thrash is for rex

[spice mantle]

And crush atack doesnt register too

Trike cant flip rex now too

[slow quarry]

Historically speaking, the only time a T-Rex was killing a Trike was A: The Trike was younger and isolated or B: The Trike was alone and outnumbered

Otherwise, Trike always defended itself and the herd. There’s literal fossils where Paleontologists believe Rexes impaled themselves onto Trike horns and died.

I’m not saying Rex needs to get one shot by a Trike. But Rexes NEED to go into that fight outgunned, because they were outgunned historically. And YES, that is balanced. Because the Rex can disengage whenever it wants to. The Trike is at the mercy of the Rex dictating when the battle starts, and ends.

[feral hazel]

But I already said, if turn is nerfed, Rex won't dance around the Trike anymore and I also said fracture needs to be less punishing

[faint robin]

Just the bug fixes won't solve trike beimg dogged by rex issue

[spice mantle]

Bruh this guys just wanna nerf to rex, if pvp is balanced You are gonna askking for rex nerf XD

[feral hazel]

Yeah but this is a video-game. The game is unrealistic on many levels, bringing realism to a game is only good until its serve to make the gameplay better

[faint robin]

Rex should be nerfed yeah

[golden tapir]

rex needs nerfs yes

[feral hazel]

we don't like pin, so I won't like trike being able to oneshot almost either.

[spice mantle]

See rick?

[faint robin]

I doubt they will nerf rex turn good enough for trike to matter

[slow quarry]

People have zero problem bringing the realism factor in to reinforce their arguments, so I’ll do the same.

[spice mantle]

Whats the diference with turn and turn radius

Rex need his turn, he cant facetank a trike

[golden tapir]

so ambush

[feral hazel]

I mean sure, Realism can be a factor, for example I want a Omni to be gutted by a single shot of a Trike, otherwise it would look insanely dumb.

[faint robin]

Everyone here is for nerfing rex lol

[feral hazel]

Ambush won't solve anything really, especially after a turn nerf

[slow quarry]

Guys when the server population is dominated by carnivores and nobody wants to play herbivore because they’re literal fodder, there’s a balance issue.

[feral hazel]

Ambush would mean something is the Rex dmg output would be higher

[golden tapir]

it will. you get a crush + bite advantage and you have the advantage of being behind the trike

[spice mantle]

Or rex killing all the roster with 1 bite

[spice mantle]

Who is everyone?? They are like 100k in this server dude

[faint robin]

I said abt the disc

[feral hazel]

Yeah but after the nerfs, Rex won't dance around the trike. Crush+Bite is low dmg btw, atleast compared to Trike/Stego dmg output. Even so if fractures will get less punishing

First they need to nerf Rex, see how it performs

then go for buffs for opposition

[golden tapir]

yeah

thats what I would do if I was dondi

[feral hazel]

same

anyway, I gotta go now. Was fun talking to u guys

see ya

[spice mantle]

See u

[golden tapir]

good night <3.

[faint robin]

If turn nerfs ever happen, i'll prefer reliable stun for trike vs rex so trike can stun rex when standing over rex turn nerfs

[slow quarry]

I am of the opinion that in a 1v1 scenario, open field, Trike wins. This ambush ability needs to be the deciding factor of a rex winning a 1v1. It adds the stalking element, tracking, etc. otherwise what is the point of tracking footprints at all? Or stalking? It’s pointless. Just run it down and run around it and crush.

Yeah, no. 1v1 the Trike needs to win in a head’s up “WE SEE EACH OTHER” scenario.

[spice mantle]

Im gonna say one more think

If rex gets a nerf in his turn he is gonna get demolished by trike, literally

[slow quarry]

As he should. He needs to ambush. He’s attacking something with 8 foot long horns

[maiden temple]

Ambush always guarantees you a clean shot, it's an advantage that should have to be taken 10/10 times

Carnis being as easy and brainless to play is just not right lol

[scenic crystal]

You're ridiculous. It's a shame because your rex will be balanced xD. You can stop playing.👍

[solid cloak]

@edgy yarrow Lol that’s hilarious, in the clip you posted are you and your friend (the maia) trying to kill other maias while you’re a stego.

If that’s the case, then you know what they say, karma’s a son of a-

[edgy yarrow]

Wasn’t my clip

I was a sleep and found this clip from someone playing on US1 last night

Only thing I play is Allo, Utah, Trike, etc

I’ve watched deinos get one shotted on US1 for the past two weeks by baby dibbles and trikes.

It’s become a serious issue and the devs not prioritizing the issue is comical to say the least

[unreal crystal]

They only need to get rid of the glass bones bs. and its fair game

Rex is strong but that's exactly how its supposed to be based on how hard it is actually to grow a rex (unless you play on those crap servers that have AI on)

[scenic crystal]

You can say the same thing about trike and ginie as meat

• speed which is ridiculous, for example dibble which can't run away because it's too slow and can't even fight rex because it gets crushed to the ground and even prime

[unreal crystal]

Thing is I've seen people destroying rex with stego and trike in pvp servers and they also made it look easy so I know rex is definitely not as OP as so many people are crying about. I'd say its just skill issue if you are dying to rex in a 1v1

[scenic crystal]

I play on a server with 400 players, there is constant fighting and somehow I can fight with Allo on equal terms without any problems because there is no weak ground pinning mechanic and several hours disappear in 5 seconds because I can't escape from Rex with slower dinos or fight him because he has a pin, so if such an acro comes out, he should be twice as fast as Rex + he has a choke then it will be very balanced

[faint robin]

Skill issue is rex dying to trike

[scenic crystal]

Kentro, Cama, and free dinosaurs will be released soon. What if Cama (60% growth) fights an adult Rex that isn't prime? It'll be a quick death for a few hours somewhere, lol. So why add dinosaurs if Rex will pin and catch up to everything anyway? Maybe Godzilla would help?

[scenic crystal]

It's not OP, but it wins all duels. The rex is fast, mobile, and easily spins around the trike. I'm telling you, they'll catch up with the small, slow dino with their speed. What am I supposed to do if I get pinned to the ground by a rex on a dibble? It's a pretty good skill, practically nonexistent.

You could also say that if you're playing a deino, you don't have to use skill to kill a dino because you catch a dino with one button and there's no underwater combat. Similarly, for a herer, you wait in a tree, jump with one button, and the guy dies. Skill combat is disappearing. Now, whoever has a better skill that kills with a chit is better.

Or they could add that when you play stego and hit a dino with its tail, it stays in it because it has spikes and causes heavy bleeding like in Ark, and on trike it sticks its fangs into the dino and causes heavy bleeding that doesn't stop until you sit down, so interesting

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
This is not a solution, the game you mentioned suffers from completely different issues just because of that system. This would heavily affect the quality of pvp as well

[scenic crystal]

Now there is definitely balance as you can see from people's comments

[spice mantle]

@feral hazel I think rex v trike only needs fixes, if rex get nerfed in his turn stego is gonna cocking him always, his turn is his better way to fight a trike, without that the pvp is gonna be more unbalanced for rex a lot

[feral hazel]

I mentioned this that if they arent carefully nerfing, Rex will get bodied by both stego and trike because both massively outdamages Rex. The only reason rex is good is cuz its spacing and baiting is the best

Due to turn radius + speed

[steep otter]

making he not gain speed at prime will help out a lot

[feral hazel]

Yes. I mean all speed changes tied to primes are dumb

[steep otter]

agreed

[hasty coyote]

I agree most are bad, but not all. Prime cera slowing down for gaining that much weight makes sense and is interesting imo. Certain smalls also can have a speed boost with negligible consequences, like hypsi, beipi, Gali, or potentially even carno.

But making a speed boost the standard for prime buffs is def not it.

[dawn cipher]

I agree with this, except very small playables should get a speed boost, because HP/damage changes are worthless to them. Namely the acknowledged smalls: hypsi, troo, dryo, beipi, but also possibly galli since speed is its whole thing. But for most of these animals, they are oneshot by most of the roster regardless, so it's not really a "bonus" if you add a little bit of HP and they're still oneshot after the boost.
#balance-feedback message

[faint robin]

Another idea of helping trike is making block to actually be able to fully counter rex crush. Like if rex crushes blocking trike - no stun nor fracture dmg happens. Will really make block way more useful and vital

[golden tapir]

this is already a thing

rex doesnt deal fracture damage or stuns trike on the head

[faint robin]

I mean whole body but only during block

[golden tapir]

thats so stupid no

[junior jay]

No no no

[faint robin]

It isn't, will actually make block more usable

[junior jay]

That doesnt even make sense xd

[golden tapir]

mr triceratops are you hearing yourself

[faint robin]

Rex turning like a cera also doesn't make sense

[golden tapir]

trike whole weakness is his body lol. why would you take that away

[junior jay]

You know you can activate Block instantly right?

[junior jay]

True but that doesnt mean trike should be op

[golden tapir]

rex was very agile irl

[faint robin]

Trike too

[junior jay]

Trike could 1 shot rex irl

[golden tapir]

rex was much more than a trike according to studies thats for sure

[golden tapir]

yeah but same with rex. both can one shot each other

[sharp patrol]

How would a trike blocking with its face protect its whole body, also it doesn't matter how agile Rex was irl, the game is loosely based in realism but still should adhere to some semblance of balance

[faint robin]

Quadrupeds are always more agile and stable than bipeds thats physics

[junior jay]

You shouldnt use irl In game logic

[sharp patrol]

Rex needs an agility nerf for sure

[faint robin]

Rex couldn't oneshot triceratops irl

[golden tapir]

well it wasnt the case with rex and trike. trike was very not agile. he was a fat potato

[golden tapir]

he did if he got behind the horns

[faint robin]

Won't kill trike on the spot. Will weaken it but not like oneshot it

[junior jay]

Couple tons of Weight on the neck Will basicly Kill anything

[sharp patrol]

Not me tho

[faint robin]

It was the case, triceratops turned on a dime

It takes 1.5 sec for a hippo to make 180 in a place

[sharp patrol]

A trike also had a brain the size of a large walnut

[golden tapir]

yep

trike holding block protecting his whole body from crush is just a dumb idea

[faint robin]

There's a case where edmontosaurus survived direct rex bite to the head

[golden tapir]

the whole reason rex ambushes is so the trike doesnt block his crushes... lol

[sharp patrol]

But regardless of irl stuff, it's still a game and Rex needs an agility nerf

[golden tapir]

agreed

[faint robin]

True

[sharp patrol]

And realism should not be held in extreme regard considering two of the playables just didn't exist and we have a tree climbing physics defying Herrera and a venemous dilophosaurus

[junior jay]

Trike mains always wanting rex to have no chance

[faint robin]

Trike mains want trike to not be overshadowed by rex like in legacy

[sharp patrol]

Well he's not wrong, Rex is dreadfully overtuned (as is allo) right now but the method he wanted of buffing trike is wrong

[junior jay]

Yeah rex needs nerfs but i dont think trike needs buffs tho

[faint robin]

Rex shouldn't walk up to trike and start running circles around it

Trike should stun rex with standing flip

[sharp patrol]

No I think trike is actually really well done atm and the most fair of the new additions easily

[faint robin]

Cuz rex can stun trike with crush

[junior jay]

Also allo isnt overtuned

[sharp patrol]

It's bleed swipe is and it's entire pounce system is crazy

[faint robin]

Still gets circled and stunned by rex, still is forced to camp cliffs and rocks to win vs rex

[sharp patrol]

Yeah that's due to Rex problems tho, trike is underpowered compared to Rex but to the rest of the cast is in a good spot

[faint robin]

Ceras, tenos can kill trike

But not rex

[sharp patrol]

What

[faint robin]

At least bad trikes, can't kill bad rexes tho

Cuz cc on alt which is also fast af

[sharp patrol]

You just said it gets circles walked around it by Rex and now you are saying it doesn't die to Rex

[faint robin]

What

Ceras and tenos can kill trike, but can't kill rex

[junior jay]

Also currently good rex v good trike is a close matchup

[sharp patrol]

Oh, I thought u meant ceras and tenos can kill trike but Rex can't kill trike

[faint robin]

Its not, trike gets circled around and stunned

[golden tapir]

stegos can kill rexes easier than trike so

allos can kill rexes easier than trike so

both have their pros and cons

[junior jay]

Not true

[golden tapir]

try my trike i have an easier time with trike than rex vs allos

[faint robin]

Yes cyz trike needs to be able to stun rex outside of running flip

[sharp patrol]

That's partially because tail attacks don't need to be precise and have a huge area of attack

[faint robin]

Rex being better at stunning than trike is just crazy

Already being the pin slop monster

[sharp patrol]

I don't mind pinning in the case of Omni against something larger that's super weak but when a playable can just run in and pin 90% of the roster it's a huge problem

[junior jay]

What

[faint robin]

Trike standing flip should get back it's actual animation (instead of spar engage, trike rn has 2 moves with 1 animation) and it should stun rex

[junior jay]

Im fine with rex pinning half of the roster but it should only be able To do that with a good ambush

[junior jay]

💯

[sharp patrol]

It's not even half it's essentially all but 3 things

[junior jay]

I mean technically rex can pin the whole roster

[golden tapir]

rex pin is pretty balanced, I just feel like rex needs to be made slower

way too fast atm especially as a prime

[sharp patrol]

In all fairness you have to be fairly accurate with Rex pin yeah

[junior jay]

Only problem for me is that rex is as Or More agile than cera

[golden tapir]

that for sure needs a nerf yeah

[sharp patrol]

Buff dilo agility 😢

[junior jay]

You know they are not gonna do that

[steep otter]

And its speed at peak prime

Tbh if they give back trike standing LMB stun it would be fine

[junior jay]

Nah trike doesnt need it

[junior jay]

When rex gets nerfed it Will be a good matchup

[steep otter]

They gotta to at least change the current LMB animation, its just a copy of the spar engage, maybe make a new atack in there that deals less damage but more bleed?

Like a gore hit something like that

[unreal crystal]

Yeah, rex is definitely nowhere near as agile as cera...lol

[faint robin]

It does need reliable stun vs rex

[junior jay]

While Running it is

[junior jay]

Run push

[faint robin]

Which u use 1 time in a fight, nothing compared to rex crush

[junior jay]

I use it like 3-7 times a fight but ok

[faint robin]

Trike is not running a lot vs rex

Still not close to as reliable as rex crush

[junior jay]

I dont think ur that good at trike tbh

[faint robin]

You can think whatever you want, im decent and I've seen how good trikes fight

[junior jay]

And Who is a good trike?

[faint robin]

Trike needs reliable stun vs rex to prevent it being circled, it works good on stego to prevent rex from just tanking it

Standing flip needs to get back its original animation and should stun rex

[junior jay]

If youve seen good trikes fight why are you saying trike only uses Running flip once

[faint robin]

Because its a starter, after which rex goes behind

Trike should be able to prevent rex from freely riding it, which standing flip stun should help with

[junior jay]

Just counter strafe rex cant stay behind you forever

[faint robin]

With crush stuns oh yeah it can

[junior jay]

5 second stun cooldown

[faint robin]

Which is crush cd

Basically every crush stuns you

[junior jay]

Crush cd is 2-3 sec

[faint robin]

Its 6

Was tested above

Was 15 originally btw

[junior jay]

No it isnt

[faint robin]

It is indeed

[junior jay]

Last patch 15 so After rex Released it was 15? Ru saying that

[faint robin]

Im saying its 6 rn

[junior jay]

So cause some random guy says its 6 you believe em

[faint robin]

So every crush stuns trike

[junior jay]

Just not true

[faint robin]

When I tested rex v trike after last patch it was 6 too

[junior jay]

Didnt that other guy say it was 15 Last patch

Which it wasnt btw

[faint robin]

Holy emoji, its 6 rn, so its 6 after last patch

I get you want rex to decimate trike but it's not balanced

[junior jay]

[faint robin]

Little did change with head armor fixes, cuz trike v rex issue is rex getting behind with no effort

[junior jay]

Ur not serious

[faint robin]

Head armor fixes only help if trike camps rocks and cliffs

[junior jay]

U were just saying before that trike should be fully immune to crush when holding block and ur saying that i want rex to decimate trike

YOU want trike to decimate rex

[faint robin]

Was just an idea, didn't say it would be good, im more for trike to be able to stun rex with standing flip, cuz rex stuns trike with every crush

I want trike to hold its ground reliably vs faster opponent at least if trike spots and faces it

[junior jay]

Why are you suggesting bad ideas then

[faint robin]

Surely trike will decimate dibble speed rex 🙂

[junior jay]

[faint robin]

.

[junior jay]

Rexes might ride you but that can be considered as a skill issue

[faint robin]

Skill issue is rex dying to a trike in the open

[junior jay]

If you arent skillful enough to beat rexes it doesnt mean trike should be op

[faint robin]

Tbh skill issue is rex dying to a trike overall cuz you can always just disengage

[faint robin]

I want trike to hold its ground reliably vs faster opponent at least if trike spots and faces it

[junior jay]

Good rex v good trike is currently a close fight

[faint robin]

Crazy how ppl want trike vs rex to be a 50/50 fight

[junior jay]

I want it to be a 60/40

[faint robin]

When trike is way slower which alone says it should defend itself reliably vs rex unless its ambush

Im not even against thrash nerf if trike gets a reliable way of standing its ground vs faster opponent in the open. Being forced to camp vs your literal natural enemy is scuffed

[junior jay]

You do know that if they made trike op there would be nothing to fight

Right

[faint robin]

Being able to reliably defend itself from rex if you face it ≠ op

[junior jay]

Ok so trike should invincible if it had a wall

[faint robin]

It already is not dying to 1 rex if it hugs a wall

[junior jay]

Yeah so what is the problem

[faint robin]

Problem is its dinner if it doesn't hug the wall

[junior jay]

It isnt a free Kill for rex

[faint robin]

Why should you be forced to hug a wall on a defensive playable vs ambusher

Which doesn't even care about ambushing at this point

If you are spotted by trike and its facing you - you failed the hunt

[faint robin]

Rex can literally kill 2 bad trikes

[junior jay]

So trike should be invincible on open plains

[junior jay]

Trike can Kill 4 bad rexes

[faint robin]

Trike should have the advantage when facing rex

[faint robin]

It can't

[junior jay]

Small advantage 60/40

[junior jay]

Can

[faint robin]

Not small, cuz rex has massive advantage if it ambushes trike

[junior jay]

As it should

[faint robin]

And trike should have as big of an advantage if it spots and faces rex

Get it already

[junior jay]

How big 90/10??

[faint robin]

70/30ish

[junior jay]

That too much

[faint robin]

Rex has as much if it ambushes

You are literally proving my point

[junior jay]

How

[faint robin]

You want rex to have massive advantage if it ambushes trike, but are against same advantage for trike if it faces rex

No no rex defending at all sure my guy

[junior jay]

Rex should have 70/30 advantage if it ambushes

[faint robin]

And trike should have 70/30 advantage if it faces rex

[junior jay]

You do know ambushing is wayyyyy harder than Standing still on an open field?

[faint robin]

There are a lot of places for rex to ambush

[junior jay]

Yes trike can basicly avoid all of em

[faint robin]

Trike can't spend whole life standing in the open

Most water sources are near forests where rex can ambush

[junior jay]

Delta

[faint robin]

With a lot of bushes

[junior jay]

West access

[faint robin]

Which is forest and bushes

Even south plains are all in big bushes

[junior jay]

Theres an open plain Also there is a spot nowhere near bushes that you can drink from

[slim dragon]

Forest or not, it's impossible for any player to remain vigilant 24/7

Also since trike is slower, it makes perfect sense that it will be advantaged in most scenario

Imagine asking predators to use their brain to get a succesful hunt

[junior jay]

Whos playing this game 24/7

[slim dragon]

rex mains

[faint robin]

Imagine saying rex can have a big advantage over trike but trike can't have the same privelege

Clearly not rex defending

Some prob forget trike is forced to fight in every fight while rex just disengages when it wants and is practically untouchable by midtier packs

[junior jay]

I dont play rex im the 1 playing trike
I just dont want trike to be op so rexes Will stop challenging them

[faint robin]

Better be food ig

[slim dragon]

Even if rex had a 1% winning chance against trike they'd still challenge it

[junior jay]

(noobs)

[faint robin]

Yeah rexes will attack everything

[slim dragon]

If only

[faint robin]

Cuz rexes, bet they'll try to 1v1 camara

[slim dragon]

And complain when they lose

[junior jay]

Literally same with every dino

[faint robin]

And still continue trying to find bugs and abuses to kill it

Ahh, rex players

[junior jay]

Same with every dino

[faint robin]

Continue saying you play trike mate. Your trike is prob carnivore bipedal theropod

[junior jay]

Pvp players wont stop till they find a way it isnt some rex special

[faint robin]

Defending rex w your life

[faint robin]

Most of those are rexes

[junior jay]

U just want trike to be op and After no1 challenges you for 10 h you quit the game

[faint robin]

You don't play trike for pvp

Cuz it can't attack anything

[junior jay]

Pvp players play everything currently rex is just popular cause it came out and its buggy

[faint robin]

Rex is popular in every dinosaur sim even when it's not just released and buggy

[junior jay]

I play trike for pvp so i can defend myself from rexes

Unlike you

[faint robin]

To pvp you take playables which can both run and fight

[faint robin]

I attack everything I see even when I can't chase it just for fun

[junior jay]

Ahh so theres no sweatty dibles, trikes, tennis ofc

[faint robin]

But i understand trike is a bad pvp playable

[faint robin]

Teno can chase and attack others so as dib

[junior jay]

Youve clearly never been In a pvp server

[faint robin]

And sweaty trikes are very rare

[faint robin]

Im playing Triassic

[junior jay]

Saw 6 yesterday

[faint robin]

"Why do you trust some random guy"

[junior jay]

So i must be very Lucky right

[junior jay]

What

[faint robin]

Think

I'll just say you'll say anything to make trike seem balanced vs rex when it clearly isn't. Rex has most if not all the advantages against it. Fracture, god turning, stun, better speed etc etc.
I want trike to hold its ground reliably vs faster opponent at least if trike spots and faces it

[junior jay]

Use rock if ur having issues with rex

[faint robin]

Let trike autowin vs rex after 4 attacks btw (which are not stationary)

[deft otter]

That's a dumb argument

[faint robin]

(Cuz rex can do it, called fracture)

[junior jay]

Was just a tip for him since he seems to be having trouble against rexes

[unreal crystal]

How is that dumb?

[faint robin]

Forced to camp rocks is a dumb argument

[unreal crystal]

Why?

[deft otter]

Trikes balance shouldn't rely on using a rock in a 1v1

[deft otter]

This

[faint robin]

Because its not a good gameplay

[junior jay]

We gotta consider it tho

[faint robin]

If youre forced to camp rock to win a 1v1 against a playable which is also faster - youre a poorly balanced playable

[unreal crystal]

Who decides that?

[junior jay]

Do we really want trike beating 3 rexes if it has a rock

[faint robin]

It won't

[junior jay]

With ur buffs it will