balance-feedback-discussion

[junior jay]

Nope

[faint robin]

And 2 stegos
Dies like how trike is supposed to die to 2 rexes
Cuz not only herbivores should have certain death scenarios

[junior jay]

With trees yes without no

[faint robin]

Youre saying like trees don't cover 70% of the map

And with out rex can clearly kill stego

[junior jay]

Yeah but stego can run into the open

Man have you fought any good stegos

[faint robin]

Saying rex struggles against anything is just erm

Not right

https://youtu.be/B8Kody9eNVY?si=Zwn5uVOnU-BB95Ha hard fight, its true, but rex def can 1v1 stego
Dumb that stego gives rex harder time than trike

[junior jay]

If both are bad players rex wins if both are good then steg wins most of the time

[faint robin]

But until trike is actually fixed to be rex's hardest matchup, let stego be it
Rex shouldn't autowin everything

[junior jay]

?

[faint robin]

Tired of rexes being overabundant with no actual competition (outside other rexes)
Rex should rely on ambush, not brute force vs similar sized opponents

[junior jay]

Thats why i said nerf rex In my balance feedback...

THATS why i said put crush on ambush

Rex is not a brawler its an ambusher

[faint robin]

I agree, but only rex should recieve turn nerf for how fast its alts are at least

[junior jay]

Before rex was trike op

Yes...

[faint robin]

Yeah...op...until you decided not to fight it
Ofc playable w no competition will seem to be op

[junior jay]

I think other dinos should have a chance against apexes.

[faint robin]

Midtier duos shouldn't fight and kill apexes

How can trike be op with that run speed
Op - can't avoid nor fight

[junior jay]

So 2 suchos should have a chance against trike

Or 2 stegos

[faint robin]

I wish I can see what ppl will say about camara 🙂

[faint robin]

Idk the weight of sucho but 2 stegos def should

[dusky surge]

It’s designed as both

[faint robin]

Thats why its op

You can't have everything and be balanced

[junior jay]

Ok Well i agree with this trike should still have the advantage but it shouldnt be nearly invincible

[dusky surge]

Ehhh multiple creatures are designed with several niches in mind

It’s actually rare when you find a hyper specialist in only one niche

[faint robin]

Against 2 midtiers it should
Unless its a bad trike which already dies to midtier groups

[faint robin]

The problem w rex is it having everything w no downsides

[junior jay]

I think the problem is the pin and the turn rate like Who though making it turn same speed as a cera

[dusky surge]

No it def has a downside with its stam, it’s weakness is endurance

The issue is just more that it excels too much too easily at its intended niche

It has clear weaknesses in stam and bleed, the issue is that it’s intended tools are too strong

[faint robin]

It still chases down stego cuz high trot speed

Can even chase down dib

[dusky surge]

Stego does have the tools to deal with it

Dibble just sucks, and I blame prime Rex for the core of Rex problems

[junior jay]

Rexes endurance good

[dusky surge]

Worst running stam of any land creature

[junior jay]

Stam regen is insane
It it has like 33 sec of stam

[junior jay]

Best stam regen

[dusky surge]

Ehhh depends

It’s trot actually regens slower than everyone else

[elfin night]

Im so out of date

Should return soon

[steep otter]

Dibble really needs some love soon

[junior jay]

Why

[steep otter]

Its not in a good spot RN

[junior jay]

Why isnt it In a good spot

[steep otter]

Its slow for its size, and deals pathetic damage

A sub trike at 3 tons is much better

[junior jay]

Yes but that just means trike is op

[steep otter]

Dibble should get its old 36km/back

[steep otter]

If anything trike is the second weakest herb rn

Both are rexes happy meals

[junior jay]

Second weakest so hypsi is stronger?

[steep otter]

For its niche

Trike does not feel like a proper apex

[junior jay]

Thats only cause rex is op

Against everything Else it feels like an apex

[dusky surge]

Lmao no it ain’t

Trike is… okay, certainly not OP

[junior jay]

as a full grown no

as juvi to sub its a lil over powered

[dusky surge]

Ehhh, I wouldn’t say so

It’s very, very slow at all stages

Sure, it overshadows dibble, but dibble is bad

[elfin night]

Considering that viability tends to be the metric for balancing and whether or not something needs a buff instead of how many thrashes you need to kill a cera, trike is admittedly really bad

We live in a timeline where even pachy is solid

And even great compared to trike or dibble

[junior jay]

pachy aint good when sub rex is faster

[elfin night]

It has its rougher matchups but at least with that size buff it can actually live on now without being terminated by Omnis dilos or even lone carnos as soon as it is spotted

Plus you can always not run in a straight line to avoid Rex’s atrocious sprinting turn

Or jump somewhere high or across rivers

[junior jay]

also trike has good fighting chamce against bad rexes

and by bad i mean most survival players

[steep otter]

Only juv rexes are faster them pachy, and they are easy pickings for packy

[junior jay]

fresh sub is faster with ambush

[steep otter]

Trike and dibble needs buffs + fixes

[junior jay]

nope

they are good rn

trike needs a lil nerf to its juvi tho

[steep otter]

Ther kit does not even work

Frill is not working agaist crush and its a know bug

• dibble being 34km/h makes it a rex happy meal

[junior jay]

the problem is with rex not dib and trice

[steep otter]

Has a trike if a rex is like barely larger them you, you have 0 chance

Once you dont stun rex its over

And the HOLD LFMB does not even stun anymore

[junior jay]

as a trike if a rex is slightly smaller than you it loses

[steep otter]

The rex can run away

The trike cant

CC range for trike neeed to be back at 1.3 times at minimum

[junior jay]

its almost impossible to see the trikes true weight from looking at it

yeah lets make trike op and nerf rex to the ground

[steep otter]

The fight should be more equal, rn it is not

[junior jay]

it will be equal when they fix trikes head

and nerf rexes agility a lil

[steep gazelle]

@hallow hinge #balance-feedback message How can someone think that leaving Omni with 5k pounce damage and over 5k bleed damage would be good and fair?

[regal tulip]

Think it's alt lmb now

At least it looks like the old LMB if you use it forward

[regal tulip]

Honestly think they should keep it's mobility, if you can't bb a trike on its head anymore it needs that mobility, otherwise you'll never get a hit in, change things one by one

[junior jay]

so it should be have same agility as cera but 8 tons heavier

[regal tulip]

I'm just saying nerf/buff stuff one by one, remove BB on head and test it before doing anything else

[junior jay]

i would rather get agility nerf than bb on head nerf

[regal tulip]

But BB on head is what makes the matchup so unplayable,not the agility

[junior jay]

bb on head is bug anyways

but nothing cant hunt rex if its that agile

its basicly legacy spino

[regal tulip]

Yes it is and we haven't seen how the matchup goes without it

[junior jay]

wdym

lots of ppl are doing the matchup without hitting trikes head

[dusky surge]

^

Even if the bug was fixed, Rex can still EASILY destroy trike via agility

Hitting the head is something only bad Rexes do anyways

Rex needs less agility, that head thing fixed, and trike needs tweaks, ideally making every damage but thrash higher and making thrash do less damage itself

Trike’s entire kit is too “one-note thrash machine”, it has no diversity in combat style

[junior jay]

good rexes do that

[dusky surge]

most of skilled rex gameplay is learning how best to get behind a trike, not in front of it

crush spamming into the head is not actually that great a strategy, it's just stronger than it should be atm

rexes strongest tool is still its agility

while they should remove the headcrush tech, they should also nerf other elements of rex and buff trike in some areas to keep the fight engaging

[junior jay]

crush trikes head flip trike gets automaticly turned bite run out

repeat

free win if you do it right

[slim dragon]

The fact crushing trike's head is anything but a guaranteed lose is a big problem

[dusky surge]

^

i agree, it's really bad, but you don't even need to SEE the head to win as a rex against a trike

the issue i have is that rex has double advantage, both in bugs and actual mechanical difference

[junior jay]

also that its the strongest in every growth stage accept juvi

[dusky surge]

that's not true

[junior jay]

its the best mid tier in sub stage

[dusky surge]

ehhh not really no, i'd say maia is much better

[junior jay]

sub rex can easilly kill maia

if its big enough ofc

[dusky surge]

sub-rex can also easily kill sub-trike by the same metric

[hard prawn]

im super late but its very easy to

[regal tulip]

Flip turns trike? I thought only sparring does that

[golden tapir]

#balance-feedback message what is bro yapping about holy balance changes

the worst balance changes that ive seen in a while

[steep gazelle]

Yes xd I've never seen so many terrible balancing ideas in a single feedback

[plain trout]

I think that Allos latch/pin makes for very boring unintuitive gameplay, ive been thinking of a way to rework this to give the opponent more of a chance to counterplay or at least not just be in a death cutscene. (i know a lot of allo players choose not to even use the pin because its just sad to see and lacks skill expression/ counterplay). i think it should be reworked into a momentary latch that bites the enemy and applies a slow/ bleed stacks / damage before jumping off (like troodon), which can be offset by increasing allo agility if need be. i believe this aligns historically with allosaurus as well, chipping away at larger prey. (i dont think any nerf to allos pin conditions will make the gameplay any more intuitive due to being 1% below the threshold just putting the enemy into a " death cutscene" + latching onto something the same size as you also just looks really odd)

what do you guys think about this? ^

[regal tulip]

Just make hold RMB the right claw attack and hold lmb left claw attack. This way we can maybe use it without it feeling so clunky and get rid of the pounce and pin problem entirely.

Keeping the grapple will always result in either a disgusting pin or an unrealistic visual when you remove it and suddenly have an Allo hanging off the side of a dryo

[dusky surge]

im sorry in what universe are you seeing an allo hanging off the side off a dryo unless the allo is tiny

[regal tulip]

In the universe where they remove pin, like I theoretically said?

It already looks weird af in the Allo carno/cera matchup with current thresholds

[junior jay]

so much hate on my balance feedback but ive only gotten 1 explanation from 1 guy as to why its bad.

i would appreciate if people would tell whats wrong with it not just its bad i dont like it.

[eager saddle]

For one, why would you increase stego’s growth timer by 2 hours

It’s not nearly strong enough to warrant that

[junior jay]

currently stego is as strong or stronger than the apexes

[eager saddle]

It’s not nearly as strong as rexes wdym

[junior jay]

ive beaten and seen people beat rexes

and its not even rare

[eager saddle]

Yeah because rex players suck

I’ve seen Rex players lose to almost everything in the roster

[junior jay]

yeah but ive fought good rexes

if stego is good enough rex cant get a single hit in

[eager saddle]

Then rex needs to go to the next prey

Welp gtg now, got work to do

[slim dragon]

Did you see the feedback post of the guy who lost 5 rexes to 1 stego ?

[dusky surge]

That is… impressive

[hallow hinge]

bro u definetly understand me wrong

[frosty heron]

Watching downvotes to give Stego a cooldown/whiff stun is absolute ragebait material

All carnis "should be punished for missing their main abilities" , meanwhile Stego for some reason has the pass

If Rex gonna be nerfed , Stego gotta get hit aswell

[hallow hinge]

after rex and rex patch raptor bleed pounce was 7.8 times better than gateway 0.20 it was a lil bit too strong and i said that

[dusky surge]

Raptor isn’t, troodon isn’t, dilo isn’t, cera isn’t, carno isn’t but yes only stego has the pass

Hell, those moves let them move, stegos does not

[hallow hinge]

i said they should nerf like 5x times better not 8x it means around %35 bleed dmg nerf u get now ?

[frosty heron]

Those are mid tiers with different abilities, also Carno does get stunned when trying to charge bigger stuff

And I don´t see how a Dilo gonna get a punish on thier abilities

[dusky surge]

I thought we said missing

[dusky surge]

I’m not saying they should, I’m saying they just aren’t punished, nothing wrong with it

[frosty heron]

Rn Stego is spam powerswing with no skill actually , you just need space awareness and you get a combo

[dusky surge]

Stego is immobile and uses a chunk of its stam, and you can bait power swings to open flanks

[hallow hinge]

i think stego is in good spot now

[keen plover]

I think Stego should have a bigger window between each power swing. Nothing insanely long, but a bit more than like teno kicks

[frosty heron]

You clearly never fought a Stego , missing a powerswing doesnt give any good opening

[keen plover]

Yeah the window is tiny and honestly, it's a bit silly for the damage, bleed and cc range of the attack

[hallow hinge]

naa stego be like chilling around but if u wanna mess with him then that is a challange which is fair

[frosty heron]

If fact you can miss it and if youre properly possitioned you can still go for it again

And the stamina it takes with the buff is laughtable

[frosty heron]

Stego shoudnt be giving such problems to a 12 hours playable being 6

[keen plover]

Everything is fine about Stego except for its power swing attack rate imo. It's almost there for me

[hallow hinge]

but yeah maybe can be lil bit longer between swings

[frosty heron]

Stego challenge should be Acro and such , even a pack of Allos (which currently is a meme of a matchup for Stego)

You can kill a full pack blindfolded

[hallow hinge]

there is something u cannot understand

stego is such a slow and chunky that cannot escape from anything

and this is a game u cannot just make them food for rex and allos

[frosty heron]

Stego is actually faster than Rex without ambush and has like x3 the stamina

In fact Stegos can chase down solo Rexes to death

[hallow hinge]

prime rex is faster

u mean %100 rec ?

as i know %88 rex is faster

[dusky surge]

Prime Rex is universally busted

Genuinely, all they need to do is make Rex slower in prime, same as what they do with allo and cera, and it’s perfectly fine imho

[frosty heron]

Prime speeds are subject to change , also if the Stego has the same growth % is still faster

[dusky surge]

I think most animals should be slower in prime tho tbh

[hallow hinge]

if u compare with prime stego and old rex i think that is kinda fair too

[dusky surge]

Being that big (and old), it makes them to slow down a tad, and it helps prevent primes from instantly destroying adults on sight

[frosty heron]

It would never be fair considering the growth times

[hallow hinge]

cuz prime rex faster than frail and %100 prime cera

do u think this is fair too ?

[frosty heron]

I dont agree with the Prime Speeds at all

But thats a different subject

[dusky surge]

I think allo and cera have great prime speeds lmao

More animals should take notes

[frosty heron]

Its unfair , same as Rex being 12 hours to growth and Stego being such a problematic hunt in 1vs1

Its as unfair as Trike current status

Trike should be the Rex biggest problem in hunts , not Stego

[hallow hinge]

so u claim that prime rex cannot hunt solo stego ?

[frosty heron]

Thats why I find a joke people downvotes a cooldown for missed swings, some players really want to have it that easy

[frosty heron]

Prime Rex vs Prime Stego if the Rex messes up once it dies , while Stego has room for some mistakes if it runs tactile and osteo

https://youtu.be/B8Kody9eNVY?si=NEMa-AvdiAe2WJQ0

I would check that video

[hallow hinge]

to be honest it sounds and seems like skill issue

[junior jay]

1 of the biggest problems in this game is that tactile is a thing

[frosty heron]

Skill issue? Lol

Someone doesnt play Rex it seems

[hallow hinge]

i did and killed stego many times to be honest

[frosty heron]

That or youre fighting people with 5 hours in the game

[junior jay]

noob stegos are a free meal to any dino

[hallow hinge]

if he plays that perfect and if rex plays not that good i think that is ok

[frosty heron]

When Rex is big enought to pin a Stego is a free meal , that doesnt count

Do a prime Stego

[slim dragon]

You found the issue
Now all you need to do is understand that it IS the issue

[hallow hinge]

just dont get headshot from stego and u will be fine

[frosty heron]

I don´t have to remind you the issue

[slim dragon]

No you don't, because I know what the issue is

[frosty heron]

And no , the problem isnt Tactile

[slim dragon]

fail

[dusky surge]

“stego is OP because of these mutations!”
“Right! So you want to nerf/remove those mutati-“
“NERF STEGO”
“Ah”

[frosty heron]

The problem is Stego being able to combo you in a single stun , with almost no room when missing the swing

[frosty heron]

Nobody wants to remove Osteo lol

[dusky surge]

I wasn’t referring to that one

[frosty heron]

In fact that mut makes the Rex matchup easier as it applies to the crush fracture dmg

Not even with the video in the face people will ever see the issue , game balance is doomed

[dusky surge]

Why? Because stego can fight Rex? I’d argue the issue with game balance is the animals who can’t fight Rex at all

Dibble and trike god rest

[frosty heron]

Because Stego can win a matchup that takes 6 extra hours to growth in equal skill level

[hallow hinge]

every rex player wanted to be untouchable 😄

[frosty heron]

And its not like "it can´t run away" that doesnt work

[hallow hinge]

thats funny, anything challanges to rex want to be removed

[frosty heron]

Same with all herbi players ngl

[dusky surge]

It literally can’t

Murdersprint exists for the reason of preventing running away

[frosty heron]

I said Trike should be the challenge earlier but nice ragebait

[hallow hinge]

and in that video rex player managed to kill stego sometimes even getting so low dmg

[frosty heron]

So im faster than Stego for 15 seconds and takes makes it a fair matchup to fight off , awesome

[hallow hinge]

soo who makes big mistake then it dies fair enough

u just cannot expect to get 5 headshot from stego and still facetanking and kill

[frosty heron]

Stego has to make 3 big mistakes while Rex is doomed in 1 due to bleed lol

[hallow hinge]

tarumatic will help u with that bleed after u kill stego

[frosty heron]

Either the miss punishment should be bigger or the stun combo needs to go

[frosty heron]

Oh so now im relying on mutations to win? 😄

[hallow hinge]

basically yeah

cuz mutations here for game changer

[frosty heron]

That pretty much explains the unbalance itself

[hallow hinge]

that is the whole point of mutation mate

that how u build ur dino, realising ur weaknesess and just basically fix

[dusky surge]

You can also entirely cripple it if it decides to get cocky and then leave if you still don’t think you can handle it

[eager saddle]

No I didn’t

Oh wait actually I remember reading something like that. When was it?

[slim dragon]

A few weeks ago iirc
Maybe 1 or 2 months

[frosty heron]

Thats a very rare scenario , in fact I only see it possible if youre the same size of the Stego and the Stego is really bad in the engagement and then plays defensive

Also people saying that "Rex players really dont want a challenge" , let me remind yall Isla Spiro times when Stego had nothing to fear and was fishing Deinos in the rivers

I really wish Trike gets in a good spot , so Stego has a reason to get tonned down

[dusky surge]

Why not just have trike in a good spot, why would that mean stego needs to get toned down?

I’d rather have 2 animals be in a good spot over trading one animal in a good spot for another

[steep otter]

This too needs buffs Asap

And prime teno needs more weight

If anything, rex is currently way to strong

[steep otter]

Stego is balanced

In a 1v1 if you break the stego he dead

Trike and dibble are in a bad spot

And rex is a bit overtuned

Especialy in its prime elder ambush speed and agility

[frosty heron]

Sure its so balanced a 6 hours playable can kill a 12 hours with little effort , thats balance for you

Im tyred of repeating the same thing , Trike should be the challenge

[steep otter]

I do agree stego grow time needs to be longer

But it needs to have is current power to defend itself

[dusky surge]

Both can be a challenge

It doesn’t need to be one or the other

[steep otter]

Otherwise he will just be a walking happy meal again

[frosty heron]

Big no to that

Rex is the biggest land predator in the game

[dusky surge]

Good for it but it can struggle with 2 things I’m sure it can handle it

[steep otter]

True, but being larger them your prey does not mean that said prey is not dangerous

[frosty heron]

Why something that not only takes half the time to growth , but is 25% smaller than it , should be challenge?

[steep otter]

Stego needs a larger grow time and its fine, stego is also a apex dino

[frosty heron]

Theres not a single carnivore in this game that can 1vs1 anything its size or larger besides Cerato due to charge bite , imo Rex should take that spot

Considering Cerato is also getting nerfed

[dusky surge]

I don’t know, why have any interesting matchups? When kentro comes out, let’s just make sure it’s allo food I guess

[frosty heron]

Our Stego is pretty much oversized

[dusky surge]

Because it’s smaller than allo I guess

[steep otter]

Allosaurus can 1v1 Maias if they know what they are doing, dilos can kill tenos if skiled , etc etc Plus rexes can kill trike that are larger and yeah cera is a very strong duelist too

[frosty heron]

I dont see how thats interesting , with some changes to Trike that could be a very fun interaction , Stego outrunning Rexes and not being able to really fight off isnt fun

[steep otter]

This aint new, lots of dinos here are

[dusky surge]

I agree, stego not being able to fight off Rexes isn’t fun

[frosty heron]

? , in what world a single Dilo can 1v1 a Teno lmao

[dusky surge]

Thank god it can

[steep otter]

At night i have seen it happen, it all depends on player skill at the end of the day a potato teno will die

Cerato can also 1v1 teno

[frosty heron]

Now youre bringing the skill difference in the conversation

Yeah thank god 80% of the playerbase dont have actual hands to play , very good way to balance stuff

[steep otter]

There is only too paths stego can take, be faster them rex and just run from it at all times, or not be faster and be able to fight back

[frosty heron]

The only reasons Stegos are losing the Rex matchup its because they suck badly

[steep otter]

Currently we have a stego that is slower them rex so it can fight back

[frosty heron]

Slower by 0.2 km/h while having x3 stamina isnt really "slower"

[steep otter]

Ambush + longer stride makes rex faster overral, but have less endurance

Id keep stego has it is, and extend its grown time

Fixed

[frosty heron]

Ima make it faster so it can run away consistenly , people just finds too romantic for a smaller herby to kill a Rex because the indiscriminate hate torwards it

[steep otter]

Being smaller here is not really the issue

Anky is also smaller them rex; and will be a even harder animal to fight them stego

[frosty heron]

Oh trust me it is , when I want to kill stuff bigger than me I play herb

[steep otter]

Stego has a very op weapon in the form of its tail, just the grown time on it is to short for its level of power

[frosty heron]

When playing Carnivore theres no way im doing that unless I find the absolute potato herb than can miss x40 times the attacks

[frosty heron]

Very OP weapon could be the Rex jaws too right? Or its another convenience statement?

"Stego strong because thagomizer" , for real?

[steep otter]

And rex jaws are op here in the game

Can break any animal with barely any effort

And stego can bleed out stuff fast

[frosty heron]

The damage is such a joke compared of what a combo of any herb does in this game

Doing less than 1k dmg is insulting actually

[steep otter]

The damage is low given how insane op fracture is

But tbh i liked more the HT rex

It had less fracture and much higher damage

[frosty heron]

Insane OP fracture is because it disables Trike entirely is not fracture fault but Trike being so bad

[steep otter]

It was better

[frosty heron]

Stego can still powerswing while fractured

[steep otter]

Body fracture alone makes any move cost x3 times de stam

[frosty heron]

and turns really well while fractures too

[steep otter]

Rex can deal the strongest debuffs in the game

[frosty heron]

Does those apply to Pachy aswell? , Why nobody said anything about Pachy being OP then?

[steep otter]

Leg fractures makes you unable to rex, head you cant see and bite deals 50% damage

If anything Rex is the strongest one in terms of raw power just becouse of how strong the fracture debuffs are

[dusky surge]

I think making stego run away consistently from Rex would look absolutely ridiculous. It has a massive weapon, it should use it

[steep otter]

Packy was nerfed in the past for this exact reason

[dusky surge]

40km/hr stego lmao

[frosty heron]

32 km/h Stego is fine

[steep otter]

That will make it a dibble 2.0

[dusky surge]

Not running from a Rex tho, murdersprint and primes would destroy it due to its lack of weapons

[steep otter]

• Rex trot alone

[frosty heron]

I think Rex losing against Stego looks absolutely ridiculous. It has massive bonecrushing jaws , it should use it

[steep otter]

It can break stego in 2 hits

[frosty heron]

3* with osteo

[steep otter]

Or a single combo if the stego is smaller

[dusky surge]

OR let’s give stego an ambush like move! That’ll help it sprint burst away from Rex with NO negative consequences whatsoever

[steep otter]

When i fight stegos i focus you breaking its face, he fights really badly once he cant see well

Its easy to bait swings after

[frosty heron]

Its actually funny theres a mutation that helps with Rex but Epidermal doesnt work against Stego at all , Trombosis gonna get reworked/removed

Also Tactile and Congen

[dusky surge]

It does use them, quite frequently. I’m surprised you didn’t, that might explain why you’re struggling with stego so much tho

[frosty heron]

Better said than done

[steep otter]

It does help, its just that stego bleed It very good

15% reduction + good diet can be the diference between life and death

[frosty heron]

Who said im struggling with Stegos? Im talking for all those players ive seen in videos

[dusky surge]

Well given you said you don’t use its crushing bite…

[frosty heron]

That are probably better than everyone here , and still capable to lose in equal skill level

[dusky surge]

Or is it the other players not using the bite?

Because that would explain the difficulty

I’d struggle against stego too if I wasn’t biting

[frosty heron]

I use it , but theres a big difference on crushing + bite once and what Stego currently does

[steep otter]

Crush + bite alone is 5000 fracture damage

[dusky surge]

Yea but you know

What would a fracture do to help against a stego smh

[steep otter]

Its nutty

[frosty heron]

1 Stego powerswing is a guaranteed x3 combo , thats 3800 raw dmg , plus bleed

[dusky surge]

Half of every complaint to do with stego could be solved with simply making tact not exist

Fracture body, exhaust stego, win

[steep otter]

Fact

[frosty heron]

And make Stego get a proper punish for missing

[dusky surge]

No need for that. Body fracture would already do that

[steep otter]

Running swing already does

[dusky surge]

Huge, huge stam burn

Every whiff

[frosty heron]

It should to help against other stuff that isnt Rex

[dusky surge]

Like?

[frosty heron]

You gotta check the video I sent earlier, it really doesnt

[frosty heron]

Allo doesnt get any room to either pounce or use the claw swipe

[dusky surge]

Allo absolutely can do both

[frosty heron]

It cannot lol

[steep otter]

Stego really has been the hottopic of balance since spiro lmao

[dusky surge]

I’ve seen competent allos kill herds of stegos using baits and group hunt tactics

[frosty heron]

Maybe because Stego was the ultimate griefing machine back on Spiro and people was fine with it

But now suddenly Rex is OP because it can kill it

[steep otter]

Alone? Yeah no, but in 3 they can maul a stego if they are any compentent

[dusky surge]

Rex is OP because unlike stego, many things can’t RUN from it. You could always ignore stego

[frosty heron]

Bro ive destroyed whole Allo packs alone as Stego with them having 0 chance only landing few bites

[steep otter]

I consider rex op currently more with how daam agile and fast he is at prime especialy

A 12 ton therapod turns better them dilo

Its funny

Its agility is nutts

[frosty heron]

So the only carni capable to actually kill stuff its size , thats why people calls it OP

[dusky surge]

That’s not it at all lmao

[frosty heron]

Very vage arguments tbh

[dusky surge]

But sure

[steep otter]

A animal that large should not be moving that way

[dusky surge]

It’s not like most if not every other carni can also kill stuff its size

Only Rex apparently

[steep otter]

And overral dilo for exemple is a carni that does need some agility buffs

[frosty heron]

Sure , it should die because it dares to look to a Stego

[dusky surge]

Yea no one has ever said that

[frosty heron]

Cerato can do it if you find those "potato" herb players

Yet people still asking to nerf it

[dusky surge]

Every carnivore can do it

[frosty heron]

Proves my point

[dusky surge]

Literally every carni can kill herbis their size

[steep otter]

Fr

I have seen omnis solos packys

[frosty heron]

Omni, Dilo , Carno , Troodon and such cannot kill a single herb their size in this game , on equal skill level

[dusky surge]

Besides maybe deino, because it is hard capped with its lunge

[dusky surge]

YOU CAN’T KILL A HERBI YOUR SIZE AS OMNI OR TROODON??? LMAOO

[frosty heron]

Truly potato Pachys then , theres a big difference in size now

[dusky surge]

THEY HAVE PIN

[frosty heron]

This mf ragebaiting xD

[steep otter]

Carno is a small game hunter, omni can kill Packys , troodon can punch Wayyyy up its size, dilo has well

[dusky surge]

Literally right click a similarly sized herbi and it dies

[frosty heron]

Seen an Omni solo a Teno?

[steep otter]

Omni damage pounce is NUTTY

[dusky surge]

Is a teno “omni sized” now?

[frosty heron]

No way Pachy loses to Omni in this patch , those players need to be on check

[steep otter]

Teno is x4 times larger

[dusky surge]

Literally over 4x bigger

[steep otter]

If they can damage pounce him, he can kill packy very fast

The issue is most omnis just use pure bleed and die to packy

Dilo can also kill packy with a surprise atack them spam clones at him

[frosty heron]

Considering youre missing a headbutt and you got room to get pounced

As Omni you cannot even jump over pachys

Good Pachys just avoid getting pounced

Again were using uncertain matchups due to skill difference

[steep otter]

All it needs is a single damage pounce

Cerato can also solo teno and its smaller them it

We have seen it happen manny times

[frosty heron]

I already mentioned Cerato earlier , body buff Cerato wins

[steep otter]

No need for body buff

It can do it on its own

[frosty heron]

Then equally skilled, Teno should win

Like 70/30

Not even congenital saves Cerato from stun kick combo

[steep otter]

Vomit lock teno and he is dead

[frosty heron]

Apart of Cerato that obviously gonna get nerfed , theres any other carni that can reliably hunt stuff bigger its size?

[steep otter]

Its a fair fight tbh

[steep otter]

Allosaurus

Especialy in gangs

And omnis and troodons too

[frosty heron]

1vs1

Not talking about packs

[steep otter]

Allo can kill maias in 1v1 in the open i have seen it happen by spam pounce

[frosty heron]

Whole reason people wants pounce removed

[steep otter]

Personaly i dont mind it

[frosty heron]

Any scenario where a carni can power fight any herb , comes to a nerf suggestion

[steep otter]

Especialy since it has a proper animation now

[frosty heron]

I do , nerf pounce , but Allo needs something in compensation

[steep otter]

But also tbh allo, troodon , omni are dinos that Excel in groups has well tbh

[frosty heron]

Or nerf some herbs interaction

[steep otter]

Cerato and carno can trive solo better, rex too

[frosty heron]

Carno only succeds solo because it can run away from stuff

Not fight it

[steep otter]

I think only stego is really strong RN, and elder maia

[frosty heron]

I want to play a Carnivore than can power fight herbs

[steep otter]

Rex and cerato are the best bet for solo players

[frosty heron]

If im gonna have such stamina pool , growth time and such , I don´t see how Rex is overtunned

Its overtunned when people plays it wrong , overpacking and such

[steep otter]

Its more of its agility and ambush that could use a bit of a tone down other them that its fine.

[frosty heron]

Or even mixpack

[steep otter]

The speed at elder is the main issue with rex

[frosty heron]

A solo Rex isnt a menace , not a it should

[steep otter]

40km/h feels stupid

Thats fastee them cerato and allo

[frosty heron]

Yeah thats dumb but thats the whole Elder system not being tweaked

[steep otter]

For a 12ton beast

Plus it can turn on a dime

[frosty heron]

But imo Rex doesnt need agility nerf , that would make it underpowered , its already hard to play the bait game against Stego

Baiting is a main feature on all Rex power hunts

Nerf agility without power in compensation , Rex is done

Fracture doesnt make for it because you dont fracture in 1 interaction , you need to land 3

And that means forcefully play the baiting game

People sometimes doesnt really think on it before suggesting

[steep otter]

It already has super powers with its easy to break anything

I just dont like how a 12 ton beast can be more agile them animals 1/5 of its size

Makes no sense to me

[frosty heron]

If im forced to play the bait game , I need the agility

Ambush doesnt even fracture anything straight away unless its pinnable

When something is pinnable is not a power hunt

[slim dragon]

What's a power hunt

[frosty heron]

Hunting stuff your size

Or 10% smaller/bigger

[slim dragon]

So a fight

[frosty heron]

Rex pinning a Diablo isnt a fight , thats why I call it power hunt lol

[slim dragon]

You could call it a fight tho

Because according to your criterion it's not a power hunt either

[frosty heron]

It really doesnt matter how I call it , power hunt is just to point out that youre unable to pin which means you gotta use your raw stats

[slim dragon]

Yeah I get it
I was just confused at the wording

[steep gazelle]

You said to bring back the Pounce damage. And this was the Pounce damage before. Even at only 5x instead of 7.9x, Omni would still deal over 5k bleed damage with its bleed pounce. I found it strange that someone would ask to bring back a bug

[steep gazelle]

Stego is already severely punished, being practically unable to use the Powerswing unless in open field

If you're having trouble with a Stego, run into a florest

[frosty heron]

I think ima not gonna waste my time showing you

[steep gazelle]

Ok

[frosty heron]

Its funny someone said that was bs when I told them to do that as Trikes

I clearly said , the best away to deal with Rexes as Trike is going into dense forest , someone didnt liked it , neither do I

[steep gazelle]

These are different things; Rex isn't literally punished in any way for playing in a forest due to its agility

But, Yes, fighting a Rex in the forest might help the Trike a little

[frosty heron]

Theres a whole video about it , its not a little , if its very dense spot where Rex even with agility still too massive to freely move , makes the Trike win

But I wouldnt say thats fair

Neither I shouldnt be going into a forest fighting a Stego

I never had too , its just Stego has too much free swing spam without real room to safe crush sometimes

[steep gazelle]

Well, that's good. But Trike should be able to handle Rex in open fields without problems, without needing to resort to that

[dusky surge]

Rex is a forest predator, stego is a plains herbivore. Makes sense for each to thrive in those ecosystems and struggle in the others

Trike is also arguably a forest herbivore, hence why it does better there

[steep gazelle]

Yes, yes. I didn't say that something similar to Stego's should be added for Rex, I only said that Rex's limitation in the forest is not the same as Stego

[dusky surge]

Honestly the reason I feel Rexes agility fits it better than it’s murdersprint is the simple fact that Rex is designed to hunt and ambush from the dense forest, not run things down in the open

I’d rather keep Rex as agile and nerf its speed than nerf its agility and keep the speed

[frosty heron]

Problem is that Rex without murdersprint is slower than everything in the roster besides Trike , the Prime Speed is what needs to be tweaked

[dusky surge]

It’s agility is great for it navigating and hunting inagile animals in the jungles, which I feel is what it’s meant to do

[frosty heron]

It could be likes Allo that doesnt get speed while growing into elder

[dusky surge]

Personally I’m not a fan of murdersprint but I get your meaning and 100% agree on the prime thing

I do wish murdersprint, if anything, had a harder pre-requisite to activate

[dusky surge]

Allo and cera both lose speed as elder, which I feel Rex (and many other animals) should as well

[frosty heron]

They can make it 5/10 seconds duration instead

[steep gazelle]

Well, a small nerf to agility isn't going to take that away from Rex. Rex's agility is currently well above what it should be

[frosty heron]

It shouldnt last whole 15 if its an ambush mechanic

[dusky surge]

I’d personally have it that it can only activate if the Rex has full stamina. Also remove the cooldown because of the stamina thing

Now Rexes can ONLY use it from ambush, not just in the middle of a chase

Keep it lasting as long as it does if you do this tho

[frosty heron]

I would be fine with that

Removing it entirely tho , it isnt a good idea

[dusky surge]

It rewards strong ambushes and stam management, two things that already should be key to Rex gameplay

[frosty heron]

Anything with a bit of awareness hearing the loud stomps from the sprint will just flee away even with a 1 second gap

[steep gazelle]

I think the best approach would be to make Rex need to crouch, like in Legacy, to use the ambush. While not entirely realistic, it would be the best way to deal with Rex doing what he does in the open field

[slim dragon]

Rex being slower than everything else doesn't make it invalid as an ambush hunter
Proof : people got ambushed and killed by stegos on spiro

[dusky surge]

Nah, I personally hate the crouch thing

Don’t bring that back, it looks so dumb and makes combat look absurd

[frosty heron]

I mean

I do use crouch a lot due to the silent footsteps

In fact its neccesary if you really want to ambush something , youre kinda forced to crouch unless youre hunting people with their volume at 10

[steep gazelle]

Yeah, a little bit. But it's better than a rex pressing a button and running faster in the open field, Without the slightest need to actually ambush

[dusky surge]

Yea, crouch already has its place as “don’t be loud as hell”

I just feel the “full stamina” pre requisite both is more realistic, more fair and rewards Rexes who actually play like ambush predators and not pursuit predators

Waste stam like an idiot, get punished. You’re a Rex

[steep gazelle]

Ah, that indeed would be better

It would also be less awkward, since there wouldn't be a Rex crouching in the middle of the fight

[dusky surge]

Yea

I’d also remove the cooldown, so that basically as long as you start running on 100%, you always get the speed boost, meaning smart and capable Rexes never feel cheated out of an ambush where they did everything right

It would make it feel more consistent for the Rex, more consistent for the prey, all around just better

Also no more “press spacebar” stuff that a new player might not know. You just go faster if you start sprinting on full stamina, super easy to learn and understand

If you stop sprinting or you use any move that would stop you from sprinting (heavy head swing or crush), it’d cancel, so you’d need to time it well

To me it just would make the whole mechanic feel more fluid, understandable and counterable

[tropic falcon]

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[dusky surge]

I would spend a portion of that 4000 dollars on a course on cyber security to not end up like your compromised account lmao

I was not expecting the bot to respond

Interesting

[golden tapir]

@indigo rain

#balance-feedback message

It’s a bug isn’t it? There’s no way that’s intended

[steep gazelle]

Yes

It's a bug

Carno cannot suffer a pounce if he holds the rmb

[golden tapir]

Yeah he just made it seem like it was intended

[hallow hinge]

imo it wasn't a bug they wanted to increase their bleed cuz every dino got huge buffs so they wanted to balace it but they made it too strong by accident and also every dino has amazing bleed dmg now carno ram, allo, cera, every dino has bleed buff and as a bleeder omni must have this at least as a solo omni should bleed out carno (running) with %40 stam or somthing

and there is no way omni can do 5k bleed if u not running mindlessly

[dusky surge]

Even if you are running mindlessly I don’t think a single omni should be doing 5k bleed lmao

[hallow hinge]

yeah that's why i told make it not 7.8x more

it was 7.8x and i told around 4 or 5 times better which means around %40 bleed dmg nerf

soo if u around 2 ton and somehow (any experienced player will not let it) omni manage to pounce with %50 stam with a single pounce it should kill u

and after last patch bucking also kinda works too well cant even stay like more than 5 sec idk why

[steep gazelle]

It was a bug. The stamina cost of the damage and bleed Pounce was acting as if it were the neutral Pounce. Omni solo could deal 5k raw damage and over 5k bleed with pounce before

Solo Omni definitely doesn't have to be capable of that

[hallow hinge]

yeah but at least should do 2k

and we are talking about potential full stam values in real game never gonna happen that consider that too

[steep gazelle]

The bleed? It's already 2k I think, but you have to use all the stamina

[hallow hinge]

mate when did u play raptor ?

cuz yesterday i have tasted this

[steep gazelle]

A while back. The pounce damage was 980 and the bleed pounce was over 1500 (if all stamina was used)

[hallow hinge]

i pounced a carno in free admin serv like %60 bleed pounce

[steep gazelle]

Omni is bugged now, it's weaker

[hallow hinge]

while he was running without stopping

guess what was his bleed ?

79%

[steep gazelle]

Omni was overpowered and now it's weaker than it was before the Rex update

The bleed pounce has less damage bleed than neutral pounce now, but its a bug

[hallow hinge]

i mean u told this

there is no way 2k bleed even full stam

[steep gazelle]

Yes, the bleed pounce damage was already close to 2k before the Rex update

[hallow hinge]

which was low

[steep gazelle]

But Omni came with a lot of bugs in the update

Well, more than I already had

[steep gazelle]

Is 2k low bleed dmg? Xd

Omni is a group hunter

[hallow hinge]

how many times u see a raptor bleed out before rex update ?

pls i have over 1k hour with raptor and almost never used that

dmg was always better

[steep gazelle]

Omnis making other creatures bleedout? A lot xd

[hallow hinge]

😄 i guess they started just now

before rex update almost everythig drop ur pounce

[steep gazelle]

Don't try to use the bleed pounce if you're playing solo, only in situations where you're absolutely certain you can inflict bleed and still have enough stamina to keep the fight going.

[hallow hinge]

idk how many times u played raptor or watched other players but they almost never used bleed

only for fun

[steep gazelle]

Good groups of Omni always use the bleed pounce

[hallow hinge]

there is something i guess u dont understand u talking about full stam pounce 2k and u saying this high lol

[steep gazelle]

This is literally Omni's greatest weapon... well,it was when it wasn't bugged

[hallow hinge]

in real gameplay u will do around %30 stam pounce if u lucky

[steep gazelle]

That's high for something weighing 450kg that's supposed to be used in a group

[hallow hinge]

and with that logic it wil deal around 600 bleed dmg if he running 😄

[steep gazelle]

Do you want a solo Omni to be able to bleed out a Rex?

[hallow hinge]

bro let me tell u something beipi deal more bleed dmg with 5 claw attack

more than 600

so u saying 90kg fish hunter can deal more bleed than %30 bleed pounce ??

I MEAN WHAT

[steep gazelle]

Beipi? I've truly never seen a Beipi kill anything that wasn't a Deino Juv, So I don't see a problem

[hallow hinge]

that is not about killing that's about values

if a 90kg fish hunter can deal more bleed that half ton omni

there is a problem

[steep gazelle]

You're being too superficial. Look at Omni and Beipi as a whole, considering all their strengths and weaknesses, not just their damage output

[hallow hinge]

if u talking about realistic gameplay

[steep gazelle]

A Beipi will never be able to land more than one claw attack on anything bigger than a Deino Juv

[hallow hinge]

omni cannot deal that much dmg

u wanted to be realistic so omni will lose %5 stam with every pounce if u miss like 2 times

[steep gazelle]

I'm not talking about realistic gameplay, but balanced gameplay.

[hallow hinge]

for balanced gameplay solo omni should kill a solo carno with %50 bleed pounce

which is insanely hard

u will be bucked or dropped by obstcle

[steep gazelle]

And he can

[hallow hinge]

rn ?

[steep gazelle]

But Carno can also defend itself xd

[steep gazelle]

No

[hallow hinge]

thats the point of all

[steep gazelle]

Bother

The pounce is bugged

How can you not understand this

[hallow hinge]

i know

u dont understand

am saying this

omni POTENTIALLY should do around 4k bleed dmg with full pounce

[steep gazelle]

Why?

[hallow hinge]

to give 2 or 1.5 k bleed dmg in combat

cuz u have to evade

u have to run and missing pounces will punish u so much

[steep gazelle]

Play in a GROUP And you will be able to do it

[hallow hinge]

this is a game not a real life not every omni born with 5 pep

most of the time i play solo cannot even see a single raptor for hours

[steep gazelle]

I understand now. You want to play solo with Omni and be able to do things you would do in a group xd

[hallow hinge]

no am saying solo omni should take solo carno with %50 pounce

nothing more

[steep gazelle]

So play with something else. Playing solo as Omni you have far fewer things to hunt.

[hallow hinge]

then for example u wanna play trodon but its too weak now then u never gonna play something u want

what kind of game logic is that

and believe me playing raptor against good players not that easy

if u play bad yeah solo omni can kill u but when i play other dinos like carno or cera i eat 3- 4 raptor like a chicken as a solo player

[hallow hinge]

stop playing bad against omnis and it will be free meal basically skill issue

[dusky surge]

That’s nuts, omni absolutely should not be doing that much

[hallow hinge]

should do 1k for full pounce ?

for like %20 stam pounce deal around 200 bleed dmg with %15 resist from diets and %15 from mut(which is everyone using cuz of allo)

140 bleed dmg for %20 stam

equal maybe 1-2 bite of any other mid and small tier dino

yeah mate definetly sounds balanced LOL

[steep gazelle]

I play Troodon, it's the dino I play solo the most.

Well, I used to play with him

Troodon is in really bad state now

Elder System and the nerf to Juv Troodon made Troodon terrible

[steep gazelle]

I don't play badly against Omnis, especially against solo Omnis

Playing as a solo Omni, you have to know your limits

[hallow hinge]

as a solo omni ur limit 2 ton with a perfect play

[steep gazelle]

Exactly. It can be even higher if the opponent you're playing against is really bad

[hallow hinge]

i kinda agree with u i play almost every time raptor but i dont agree i should take 5 ton rex with single pounce

[steep gazelle]

I've already killed Maia, Dibble, Stego, Carno, etc. playing solo as Omni and Troodon

[hallow hinge]

but %50 stam bleed for 2 k is good

[steep gazelle]

Know your limits, and also the limits of your opponents

At the beginning of the fight, pay attention to how he plays, you can tell when he's a bad player

[hallow hinge]

cuz as u know staying on for %50 stam is almost a dream

[steep gazelle]

If you realize he's good, then don't continue the fight

Well, and against Carnos, I suggest you avoid it as much as possible. Carnos is literally made to hunt things like the Omni

Unless you're in a group

[hallow hinge]

yeah cannot even pounce now

buggy u stun urself

[steep gazelle]

Its a bug

[hallow hinge]

yeah

i want that as a raptor player if i encountered with a carno and somehow if i play good and bleed him around ;%40-50 bleed pounce

he should die if u keep running like mindlessly

is it too much ?

[steep gazelle]

Yes

[hallow hinge]

mate even single 2 allo bite deal more than that

current meta it's not

[steep gazelle]

Carno is limited to hunting smaller things, so why should those smaller things have such this high chance of killing him in a 1v1?

[hallow hinge]

high ?

bro if carno buck me i prob will be down in 5 sec

[steep gazelle]

Yes, high. The fight between Omni and Carno should be 90% in Carno's favor

Unless Carno is really bad

[hallow hinge]

never a good player let solo omni pounce for half of stam

i assume even with broken bleed raptor i wouldn't die to solo raptor

as a carno

even if he pounce me first

[steep gazelle]

Indeed, but I stand by what I said

Good Carno against a good Omni, Carno should win 9 out of 10 matches, if not 10 out of 10

[hallow hinge]

imo if he plays that bad like let a raptor stay on top for like 1 min he deserves to die

solo carno can kill 2 raptor easyly

even without bleed nerf

just camp a rock and one lucky ram one is down already

[steep gazelle]

Yes, that's thanks to the charge bug

[hallow hinge]

i have over 1.3 hours on this game

[steep gazelle]

Without this, two Omnis could kill a Carno with a 50% chance or more

[hallow hinge]

never died to solo raptor

[steep gazelle]

Good, same

[hallow hinge]

raptors desined to hunt bigger prey irl too

[steep gazelle]

In the game too

[hallow hinge]

raptors only good against bad players

[steep gazelle]

But in a group

[hallow hinge]

but there is a catch

[steep gazelle]

And, well, not against the thing that was literally made to hunt the Omni

[hallow hinge]

if they made raptor too weak then carno pretty much unkillable

unless he wanted to die

like dilo suffering rn due to carno

carno need to rival too that will be the omni even like for solo carno should play carefully

[steep gazelle]

Dilo has needed a rework for months, but they haven't done it yet, and I don't even know if they ever will

[hallow hinge]

imagine for example ur 100kg pure muscle but 30kg kid with a knife

[steep gazelle]

Carno rival is Cera, dilo and Omni is Carno Prey

[hallow hinge]

if you let that kid stab u for a min u will be ded

[hallow hinge]

naa cera devour carnos ass

and a cera cannot kill a carno if carno dont want to fight

till death

[steep gazelle]

Near a carcass. In open areas, Carno has a 50% chance of killing Cerato, especially now

[hallow hinge]

naaa mate i have experienced

just charge to face

carno never wins

even without vomit

[steep gazelle]

Don't try that, Charge no longer needs to run for 3 seconds to knock down or stun

The fight was like this before the Rex update

Now it's different

[hallow hinge]

before that update yeah it was fair

[steep gazelle]

I don't think so. Cerato being immune to charge just for being near a body didn't seem fair to me, but now it's fairer due to Carno's new charge

[hallow hinge]

but cera charge also buffed u know ?

rn cannot knock down cera while charge

and carno stops

[steep gazelle]

It was like that before

[hallow hinge]

nope still like that

[steep gazelle]

This was in the Trike update

[hallow hinge]

i have played yesterday

[steep gazelle]

Look at the patches. It was in the same update that the Cerato received the buff to be able to use the charge bite infinitely and the "nerfs" (xd) of losing speed if you hold the charge bite for 6s and the incredible high stam cost of 0.20% Every 6s xd

[golden tapir]

?

carno is braindead and no small tier has a "high" chance of killing him

carno is literally the most skilless dinosaur in the game right now

[brave condor]

#balance-feedback message

yeah trike is just having a hard time because it has like zero mobility compared to its natural predator. or anything else in the game, the only thing that helps it gets hits is ping and lag

[hallow hinge]

yeah i just cannot understand that players playing so bad to die solo omni and complaining about how strong he is

it's feels like trodon can kill a adult raptor with 7-8 pounce maybe even less, so u playing that bad trodon pounce u for 7 times and u complaining about how trodon kill solo raptor cuz basically raptor 10 times bigger than trodon

imo if u play that bad to let trodon pounce u for 7 times u deserve to die but people crying about when omni kill something 2 or 3 times bigger funny.

[steep gazelle]

Exactly, and they shouldn't have. I never said that these smaller things currently have a high chance of killing Carno, but rather that they shouldn't...

[spice mantle]

@solemn thunder I think the Rex needs a speed nerf and they need to fix the sparring interactions since a Trike can't use defense mode or stun it, not a nerf or a buff

[solemn thunder]

rex needs a nerf into everything but yeah mainly speed and agility

[spice mantle]

And everything? Nah, that makes me think you don't know how to play Trike, because if you know how to play it well you have a chance of winning, not many because the sparring is bugged, but if it weren't it would be much easier. Wait until they fix the bugs and you'll see.

[solemn thunder]

i know how to play trike, im good on trike but still rex is so broken even a rex noob can beat a good trike player

[spice mantle]

With what you said last, I realized it.

[solemn thunder]

rex always wins spar against trike, when you crush on trikes head with rex you can then immedeately throw the trike to the side and the trike cant do aynthing

god what were the devs smoking when they made rex

[spice mantle]

That's why I'm telling you what I'm saying; if the interactions weren't bugged, that wouldn't happen XD

[solemn thunder]

i dont think its a bug i think rex is just broken like that

[spice mantle]

They made a very well-made game, they just need to fix bugs to make it look balanced

[spice mantle]

Yes, it's balanced. If a Trike uses its defense mode and the Rex does that animation, it wouldn't stun it, and the Trike could stun it and do a combo. Then, with its sparring partner, it would force the Rex to spar again and repeat the process. It's not that complicated

[solemn thunder]

?

[spice mantle]

yeah you dont know how to play I see XD

[solemn thunder]

i have 2110 hours

100+ on trike

[spice mantle]

i have 2800 hours

[solemn thunder]

f me

[steep gazelle]

@feral hazel That would be good. But even so, Rex still will needs nerfs

Primarily his agility

[feral hazel]

Well hypno said they aren't touching rex until sparring is fixed, so this would help a lot for trike

[viscid mica]

True

[pseudo ember]

@coarse blaze 3 stegos loosing to 1 rex and a small one isnt that just a major skill issue?

[coarse blaze]

Or a massive overtune of Rex, like many, many have stated

[pseudo ember]

some of the stego bodies look a bit small also was it a prime rex

[coarse blaze]

There were not, I was there to watch, hence the screenshot.

There were 4, they were all nesting.

[pseudo ember]

4 is even crazier

ik stego is bad in packs but cmon

thats genuinely a skill issue icl

[coarse blaze]

Stego's attacks, despite the nerf, still take an insane amount of stamina to use.

And considering Rex can pin via low stamina and cripple anything it sees, it's hard to saw it was just a skillissue.

[dusky surge]

a single body fracture will exhaust a stego insanely quickly, it's why i just don't believe people who say stego dominates that matchup

stego's small size compared to rex makes it vulnerable to fracture

a single body fracture makes it easy as sin to exhaust a stego

[coarse blaze]

I've genuinely never wanted to play Stego less, which is a shame.

I don't want to play Trike either, Rex rolls through them too

[pseudo ember]

honestly that is true but what cant they make rex slower than stego

[pseudo ember]

oh ye trike is bad rn

[pseudo ember]

isnt it 5%

[dusky surge]

murdersprint exists

[pseudo ember]

should only be able to catch a stego with it nerf rex speed to 28.2 murdersprint to a reasonable speed and make it last 5-6 seconds and when you stop running murdersprint will stop

[coarse blaze]

But it's not that

It's a problem, I understand Rex being strong; it's Rex.

But Rex currently is the strongest thing in the Isle and it's matchup is insanely underwhelming when compared. Stego, despite how fast it can swing, can't even 1v1 if the Rex decides it wants to just face tank it's face.

And I'm not saying that Stego should win a 1v1, but the solution was herds.

I watched that single adult Rex and that sub, kill all 3 adult Stegos with ease.

[pseudo ember]

hmm yh

[spice mantle]

If those Stegos lost, it's because their skill was awful. The Stego is an incredibly powerful herbivore that can beat a Rex in a 1v1 fight, of course, if you know how to play against it.

[thorn mountain]

in a 1v1 stego cannot beat a rex, atleast not rn

if you didnt know stego can just get stunlocked by rex, by stunlock I mean cannot move, cannot attack due to endless stuns

[spice mantle]

Have you at least seen good stegos play? It's crazy to say they can't

[spice mantle]

If it's an infinite stun, they have to fix it, but that's a game issue due to bugs. However, the Stego is a dinosaur that's incredibly overpowered and was massively buffed to fight a T-Rex

[thorn mountain]

disagreee lol

[thorn mountain]

have you seen a good rex? like a actual good rex

[golden tapir]

we forgeting tactile endurance? lol

[dusky surge]

yes because tactile endurance should not be accounted for in balance discussions

it should literally just be removed or entirely reworked because it undermines any valid balance concern by being so overpowered that it entirely shifts matchups in a different direction by the metric of existing

[regal tulip]

Yeah they need to remove crush going straight through a powerswing, then it'll be balanced

[warm flax]

did they nerfed deino's bleed resistance, got clawed by a fg tenno once or twice and follow up with some kicks,the bleed almost killed me(1.5ton back then)

[regal tulip]

Nah that's just Teno bleed

[twilit seal]

Stego kinda dominates rex ngl if its good lol

[thorn mountain]

I mean

[old mantle]

wanna hop on taco island and see?

[twilit seal]

Good stegos just dont exist

[twilit seal]

I cant rn, I did get on yesterday with @river kite

[regal tulip]

Until you powerswing an invisible wall on accident

[twilit seal]

He said the same thing

[thorn mountain]

poa doesnt know thy tech

[old mantle]

does poa know the stunlock tech?

[twilit seal]

Wdym stunlock tech?

[thorn mountain]

oh... you dont know either

[old mantle]

stego can be stunlocked by rex with the correct timing and combo.

[twilit seal]

Ive never seen any rexes on oasis do it and the best players are often there

[old mantle]

this is a real petit peids moment

[twilit seal]

Im not even the best stego, and I beat rexes 90% of the time

Not the average survival rexes ofc

[twilit seal]

https://youtu.be/B8Kody9eNVY?si=34O92nWGM2g5D7jN watch this

[slim dragon]

I noticed one thing
It's always either "good rex can beat stego all the time, but good rexes do not exist"

or

"good stego can beat rex all the time, but good stegos do not exist"

(stego can be conveniently replaced with trike in both these sentences)

If that's so, then where does everyone get the footage of those "good" rexes and "good" stegos if neither exists ?

[twilit seal]

Check the vid i sent ^^

The “good” playwrs only really exist on free admin servers

Survival players are most of the time just bad

Especially US players are in general worse compared to EU pvp wise

[warm flax]

there is just way more Rex then stegos most of the time

[regal tulip]

Because stego is free food unless it's prime

It needs base adult raised by a ton

(Not that there wouldn't still be more rexes even if stego would weigh 20 tons)

[keen plover]

What would you do with Stego

[twilit seal]

I show what I do in the vid i sent

[slim dragon]

Carnivore bias so bad "herbi player" is an insult in here

[keen plover]

As in, what would you do with the balance

[twilit seal]

Not even playing for bleed, just raw damage with running swings

[twilit seal]

Increase fg weight, fix hitboxes and increase time between power swings by a couple mili seconds

I mean stego wouldnt be an issue without tactile endurance

The reason stegos can get away with spamming running swings is cuz of tactile

Same with maia being borderline op rn

Cuz they can just blindly spam abilities

If it was up to me id remove tactile gastro and traumatic

But carni heal rates are abysmal rn without gastro

So they would have to bring them more in line with herbis

Even tho gastro is even more OP on herbis cuz they can heal from the little fruits

In general tho people really need to get on servers like Oasis before talking about skill and balance, it would be an eye opening experience

[keen plover]

fair and true

With the hitbox though, are you specifcally referring to desync? Like how are you testing the hitboxes btw

[keen plover]

Also agreed honestly

[twilit seal]

Before stego stun was buffed it was actually made fair a couple patches ago

Like remember when they specifically made a patch to fix the steg power swing hitbox?

[keen plover]

Yeah

[twilit seal]

Then it got broken again

I mean maybe its desync being worse

[keen plover]

Hard to test tbh. Like is it fine when you're stationary? If the stego is in motion, there's more factors

Would need the POV from both sides as well

[twilit seal]

I mean trust me im the least biased person with balance opinions cuz I legit play everything except the little rats

Like trike is literal fodder rn to rex cuz of the face crush

But before nerfing rex or buffing trike i would first fix that, then also add cc back to hold lmb

Then see how the matchup holds up

[keen plover]

Yea

[twilit seal]

Yeah I mean ever since maia all the playables have broken hitboxes imo

[keen plover]

Hitboxes are hard to really tell if it's a desync issue or not, but that can be looked at

[twilit seal]

Like trike can still hit behind, maia can hit half its body length

[keen plover]

Unless it's like the most obvious issue

[twilit seal]

Rex and allo bite hitboxes are weird

[twilit seal]

Yeah idk how one would test that but its just a general “feel” that stegos hits feel much more unfair rn

[keen plover]

Yeah pretty much my thoughts on hitboxes, some issues are obvious, most are hard to tell

Stego does sometimes feel unfair, but I've thought that forever. Desync makes it hard to really know as it's fine in my experience on test servers

[twilit seal]

Yeah i really don’t know how to approach that

But either way, I wanted to jump in the convo cuz of the stego rex matchup

Its a 3-4 hour grow vs 8-10

And stego does way too good when it already has the option to run away, because the stun stops rex ambush too

And like i said people really need to test out matchups on free admin servers and fight actual decent pvpers before voicing an opinion cuz they saw a rex 1v4 stegos on a survival server

[coarse blaze]

I don't think you saw the nerf numbers for Stego or the stunlocking.

Also, ever using "but a good stego - or a good rex player" is always a bad defense, anyone super good at any playable shouldn't be used as the average.

[warm flax]

how much weight does Rex get when it reach 50%?

[twilit seal]

@old mantle maybe later today I can get on if youd like to spar and you can try your stun lock thing, Im EU timezone tho and idk this taco server you mean

[old mantle]

ask @thorn mountain

[thorn mountain]

hi

[cosmic pelican]

In my experience almost every eu server, but specifically oasis runs like absolute doodoo. Last update I used to be getting 40 ping at most on every eu server, now Im happy if its below 100.

No clue what happened to server performance, but I miss my ping.

[twilit seal]

Same thing, if you want much later today we can run some fights on Oasis

[twilit seal]

Yeah desync has been worse in general since the last updates

[thorn mountain]

this is my time already but like maybe

[twilit seal]

Well maybe tomorrow for you then lol

[twilit seal]

Or maybe in 2 hours but i cant guarantee

[spice mantle]

I don't really think anyone needs a buff or a nerf, it's simply about fixing bugs, like the sparring and stunlock issues

[spice mantle]

I wanna fight too

I have more ping

[hasty coyote]

Imo we should be using “good players” rather than the “average player” because they show what the creature can actually do. Namely because the average player is incredibly bad at combat, especially with Dinos that have a high skill floor. Like Maia was already pretty strong in the right hands before the buffs, but most players struggled with it. Now even bad players can be effective and good players are genuinely terrifying.

[twilit seal]

Preach

[twilit seal]

Sure

[river kite]

The ping dif was destroying me in or fights. I fought stegos again after you and all the stuff I was doing to you worked in those fights and I wasn’t getting hit when I shouldn’t be.

So it’s hard to say.

Stego also has to fight in the open, a single self stun on anything will instantly kill it. And I self stun on literal pebbles quite often

And stego has to be 9.3, if it’s 9.2 it gets treated like a rag doll lol, crush pinned flipped into another crush without being able to do anything

I also was trying to copy what was hitting me in our fights against other rexs as a stego and couldn’t do it. Lower ping seems to be better than higher now since they’ve changed the net code or w/e in the HT

[river kite]

stego and rex arent actually that far apart in growth time either
24/( (250/100) + 1) = 7.38461538462 + 5(peak) = 11.8571428571
16/( (250/100) + 1) = 4.92307692308 + 3.75(peak) = 8.67307692308 hrs

thats only a 3.18406593402 hr dif, which gets even smaller if you consider stego has a harder time maintaining an average diet of 250 compared to rex.

dunno, makes sense to me that stego is a threat to rex, especially considering all of its downsides

while rex has.... well i dont really know rex's downsides. i would say starving but rex has a 120min food/water timer with an insane trot speed. you can also extend the hunger timer by like 24 min with efficient

[twilit seal]

Thats actually a cheese tactic as stego can keep holding rmb while pinned to hit the rex instntly

[river kite]

i wouldnt use bugs to define fights

[dusky surge]

Only thing carrying stego through Rex fights (against GOOD Rexes) is tact, and that’s excluding the ever-so fun stunlock tech Rex can pull against it

[twilit seal]

I disagree with the diet thing, i always have 200-250% as steg cuz i spam the gastroliths

[dusky surge]

Body break is stego’s worst nightmare

[twilit seal]

But rex stun immunity after a crush is also a bug

[river kite]

i kept them both at 250, ignoring that comment its still only a 3hr dif

[twilit seal]

The thing is stego doesnt even have to fight, it can theoretically stop rex ambush speed with a stun and run away

[twilit seal]

3 hours is a pretty big difference tho

[river kite]

have you never been trotted down by a rex?

[twilit seal]

No cuz when I run from rexes i use roads so they cant track

Im aware they can trot you down

That is if they dont go under 60% stam chasing you

[river kite]

do you always mentally position yourself near a road just incase?

[twilit seal]

I mean theres roads everywhere since they added game trails

Tbh im not the one to run away from a rex fight

[river kite]

in the spots i hang out at there's next to 0 roads lmao, all of em are straight too so itdoesnt break los

perhaps i need a change in location

[twilit seal]

Highlands doesnt have roads

But delta, wra etc have it

[river kite]

im always at NE lake cus i like the jg there

the jg does not like stego though

[twilit seal]

Which jg? The one above the lake itself?

[river kite]

west of it, has one road thats south of that jg and another that leads to the human base. another north next to the salt rock. but all these roads dont really break los

[twilit seal]

I mean are you talking while growing as a smaller stego or as a prime

[river kite]

im just talkin in general, its just where i always hang out at cus i like the area

[twilit seal]

Ah I mean when growing large herbis I personally am around water access/north jg cuz theres gastroliths close and the plants give good food amounts

[river kite]

tf are the gastro youre eating at wateraccess?

only ones i know of are right next to the water lmao

[twilit seal]

I have been chased twice as sub ish stego twice around NE and East around radio tower, both times I just saw the rex early enough to run to the roads I know closeby

[twilit seal]

Yeah I spam until my food is 50% then eat and rinse and repeat

[river kite]

and you dont get croc'd? madman

[twilit seal]

No the gastroliths are much further

[river kite]

oh yeah i forgot, in the old sanc spot there's a field of gastros

[twilit seal]

Like theres 2 spots I know, one is near the big dam its like actually in the grass, and also near the river

[twilit seal]

The open area? Thats too far to the food

[river kite]

where the hell are you getting gastros at? is there some in the middle of the WA jg or something?

the only ones i know of here are marked on this map

[twilit seal]

Yeah those spots lol

Theres food really close to that

[river kite]

you said they were further from the water didnt you? or am i tweakin

[twilit seal]

I mean in game they arent close enough for a grab

You know the road that goes alongside the river? Theres gastroliths on both sides of that road thats not close to the water

And the one thats near the dam is on an incline like deino cant lunge up there

[river kite]

ill check later, i never knew that road had gastros

[river kite]

i got bad news about that

[twilit seal]

It has gastros on the jungle side of the road

[twilit seal]

Yeah ik the bug

But i mean in my experience NE usually has baby deinos cuz its the spawn, big ones go to delta

[river kite]

honestly i just want kentro. stego/trike have gotten really boring for me cus of how much of a slog they are to feed/exist as

[twilit seal]

Isle is in a boring state rn in general

[river kite]

lmao you know the delta bridge leading to sanc? i set my food to 0 as trike and ate that entire PZ. i got 26% food i think and it took 8 minutes while i was sprinting like crazy

and thats with deltas countless forest bushes the "best" food in the game

[twilit seal]

I mean idk why they made that change a while ago, like its not even realistic

Why do big herbis get like half a bite from a giant tree

[river kite]

i saw someone make a feedback post saying to make herbs take longer to eat, specifically do not make the food give more food, but make it take longer to get the 3.9% food the bushes offer.

i was like damn, you really want 0 herbivore players dont you?

hell even dibble only gets like ~11% food from the biggest food sources

im just hoping they redo herb food values when camara comes cus like.... yeah

[twilit seal]

best food is for sure hl imo

[river kite]

i never go there cus im always alone. fastest way for me to provide ~160minutes of gameplay to the local rex population

[twilit seal]

thats also true, depends on the server you play as i guess

[river kite]

i play on pandora/petits. but honestly with how ping works now i dont think its possible for me to play on pandora

if im playing trike(i have one on there at 10.5tons rn) and a 20 ping rex rolls up ill instantly die lol

granted, ill instantly die to any rex 20 ping or not cus... rex

[twilit seal]

did you not try NA servers? I would try Mettas or Havyn if I were you but its too laggy for me to play anything but apexes

[river kite]

metta has absolute INSANE desync last i played. i lost 6 prime omnis to desync. i refuse to play on there till its fixed

petits na is the only server where im not getting desync'd left and right. but somehow NE lake is absolutely empty on a 400 player server lmao

[twilit seal]

petit mainly destroys fps for me rather than ping issues

[river kite]

my dps dips by like 10-15 in sanc, fine otherwise. but man floating organs are probably alot of that lol

idk whats causing the floating organs but they needa fix that

[twilit seal]

like on other servers i can get 80-100, petit is halved

[river kite]

rip, i lock my fps at 60 so im probably dipping more than i know

i think im 100fps uncapped? not sure since i havent tested it in a long time cus my monitor is 60hz

[twilit seal]

afaik uncapping is better for more fps

like if you cap it drops more idk how to explain it

[river kite]

meh, im stable at 60 99% of the time so id rather not touch it. if i uncap it it makes my pc get alot hotter

[river kite]

by stunnlock tech do you mean when stego is flippable?

[twilit seal]

yeah idk what they mean, if they ever try to use headbutt with my steg playstyle its a death sentence

im pretty sure they mean a flippable steg that you can chain with pin

[river kite]

yeah the pin into flip into pin is pretty damn brutal

[twilit seal]

but the thing is like i said pinnable steg is actually harder to fight

8.9-9.2 can stun you but gets pinned

[river kite]

not everyone is gonna be aware of that bug, hell i havent actually gotten it to work. granted i havent tried it but like 2 times

[twilit seal]

you jsut keep holding rmb even when you get pinned

[river kite]

ye, thought i did. my tail wasnt raised when i came out. ill prob try it again later

[dusky surge]

No there is literally a discovered tech to 100-0 a stego to death via stuns

[river kite]

is it a tech? or is it abusing a bug?

[dusky surge]

Not sure, I just know people have discovered it, and it doesn’t seem to be a bug as much as a tech

[river kite]

god help me if its not a bug lol

[twilit seal]

i mean if it involves the hold rmb, thats very avoidable as stego

[river kite]

stego isnt exactly the most agile of things, if you get baited once a rex can for sure easily land a rmb on ya

[twilit seal]

its not about dodging, its more so you hit the rex before it hits you, and unlike crush headbutt doesnt give stun immunity or trades a hit

[river kite]

i still hate how pin pounce and crush vanish your attacks. it never made any sense to me and will continue to do so

[twilit seal]

yeah but steg power swing is fast enough to hit pouncers even if they latch on

[river kite]

crush vanishing attacks lets a 15% rex kill a legbroke 90% trike lmao

[river kite]

ive never had that happen for me. ive tried desperately

i see YTers do it all the time, but it never works for me

[twilit seal]

if ping matches you can be unpouncable as steg

steg power swing is one of the highest priority attacks

[river kite]

is it? ive never felt that way LOL. even back when dibble could stun stego. id stun the dibble and take dmg but the dibble wouldnt

or id hear the sound and use stam but still get stunned and not even stun the dibble

[twilit seal]

yeah cuz dibble hitbox was also busted until ht lol

[dusky surge]

Every directional attack can do that, it’s desync, not stego exclusive. It just happens more because stegos attacks specifically target its flanks and are fast

[river kite]

hell, and now i have a new bug. i keep getting invalid hits on rex when playing as stego

[twilit seal]

yeah its cuz stego attacks are super fast and ccs

[river kite]

ill hit the rex in the face,body,whereever and sometimes my swings just... dont do damage

[twilit seal]

i think its a desync issue for you poa

you basically have to swing earlier compared to others

[river kite]

idk about the rex one, they said they even saw it hit them but deal 0 dmg

but even on low ping servers i seem to get screwed over

if i swing earlier i get baited, if i swing at the right time i get punished. life gives, life takes.

[twilit seal]

its better to swing early always with tactile and new steg stam values