balance-feedback-discussion

[frosty heron]

Gotta play more Stego and test it out , but it happens

[eternal sail]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khd27Inw6Iz88R_HmWA6FE7r3Ry3H7v1/view?usp=sharing heres the clip for viewing pleasure

[frosty heron]

Been playing only Rex this last 3 days

[eternal sail]

99% chance it was them jumping off as you went for a swing

[spiral ledge]

I love how the people argue about allo , without having done any pvp whit him , lmao it is inredible , The day they used to play with allo they are gonna scared about the real sh1t that the dino is

[eternal sail]

literally have never had this happen with ANY latching animal and i have 500+ hours on stego

[frosty heron]

I saw him latch on me , doubt it

[eternal sail]

it just doesnt make sense

[frosty heron]

Ive played it couple times and the bleed its hella strong but thats it , not very good agility , drift its good , landing the claw swipe is a work tho

And the bite is crazy too

[eternal sail]

most dinos suck to grow, Ive seen many allos players do well and its meant to be hard to grow. This is how juvi carnis always are

[frosty heron]

3 Allo packs are not a menace for me most of time , ive fought them more than actually hunt with it

[frosty heron]

Uh is not really hard to grow tbh

[eternal sail]

tbf i also dont play on officials that often

[eternal sail]

also idk man you can literally just one button oneshot over half the carni cast as FG solo unless theyre adult

you should find someone to play allo with

[frosty heron]

Didnt allo got the threesold reduced to pin to 50%?

[eternal sail]

i thought pin thresholds were all standardized to 50

[frosty heron]

I pinned a 7 ton Stego not long ago as 12 ton Rex so nope

Rex pin is around 75% I think

Maybe 60%

Im sure that if im 3 tons bigger I can pin it straight way

[dusky surge]

Omni still has 100%

Rex is like 60-75%

Allo is 50%

Personally I’d reduce Rex to have allo’s pin range

[spiral ledge]

rex is 73

[eternal sail]

where are these numbers coming from

[frosty heron]

Ima keep it , Rex is way muscular than Allo

[dusky surge]

I’m going to assume it’s 75% because 73 is an uncharacteristically weird number for them

[frosty heron]

I just wish they fix that bug of big herbs escaping pin for no reason

[spiral ledge]

It is a dino that lives from the bleed and his incredible bite , the rest of the dino is trash literally , pounce works 1/3 times and the rest is awful

[dusky surge]

Wdym? If you’re referring to Rex, it’s pin is limited time, it can’t keep pinning a creature, it’s not a bug

[frosty heron]

Pouncers never been solid playables due to that mechanic being broken in many aways , I just wished Allo wasnt a pouncer and a better worked on tools like that claw swipe

And made it less pain to land

[frosty heron]

Then why kept pinning a Big Sub Rex to almost depleted my full stamina bar on it?

Got the clip of that one too

[spiral ledge]

i wish lmao

[eternal sail]

its so funny that even allo players hate the pounce because theres so many bugs on either side

[dusky surge]

Imma be real I have absolutely no idea why Rex crush works the way it does but I do know it’s meant to be limited time

[eternal sail]

does allo have the "on the ground server side when latched client side" bug that omni has? or is that just omni

[frosty heron]

https://streamable.com/pqbqy7

[dusky surge]

???

[frosty heron]

Nearly 20 seconds of pin

Limited time? I dont see it

[dusky surge]

Okay I genuinely can’t explain that

Why does it only work like that on Rex wtf

[frosty heron]

But then I have this Stego which was 6 tons (fg) and it slipped out

It happened the same with a Prime Stego I pinned due to the HP threesold , the same happened and got smacked in the face

Happens with Trike too when theyre in the range of 6 tons , maybe its intended or a bug

[eternal sail]

what kind of goofy ah server is this is that stego insane

[frosty heron]

New player , pretty bad , but I didnt wanted to show that

[eternal sail]

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if its a hidden mechanic with stego spines where its a % chance to end pin or something like that

[frosty heron]

The chance has to be high then because it happens quite consistently

[eternal sail]

with how bad the transparency is with this game

[frosty heron]

At least the game can tell me somehow is about to happen so I dont get a free hit on the Rex

[eternal sail]

could be some % formula with weight+stamina

and under a threshold like with that rex the % escape is 0

who knows

genuinely might just have to wait for data miners+extensive testing

[steep gazelle]

Time-limited pin for large creatures and unlimited pins for much smaller creatures. I think that's it

[frosty heron]

That Rex was easily the same size of the Stego , if it was less , not by much , it to be size + stamina

That had 0 stam

Also the "limited" doesnt even make to the fracture ticks

[steep gazelle]

Rex Size and weight don't go hand in hand

[frosty heron]

Ive seen plenty of Rexes growth sizes and that guy has to be around 6 tons ish

[steep gazelle]

If this Rex at the Start of Sub, then it's only now starting to gain weight, unlike the larger Rex which was probably already nearing adult

[frosty heron]

I was 10-11 tons

Fresh Elder

And in the Stego clip I was 12.3

[eternal sail]

I will say visually judging weight is extremely difficult with the new growth curves

[faint robin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ShDWAa0EUYc?si=1Mp66N8ZiLP1PWfZ stego is so op vs rex btw

In no world rex in this state is balanced lol

[frosty heron]

What are you complaining about now , if that Stego is being knocked down means its way smaller

[faint robin]

Fg vs fg

[frosty heron]

Youre not aware of how much similar a 11 ton Rex is to a 9.4

If fact you get that size from the first 3% of the prime elder

Nobody complaining here about Stego knocking down a full Elder Allo right?

[faint robin]

Im not against rex having the edge in stego fight cuz stego is faster but rex mutilating trike is not ok
Rex rn seems like no brain gameplay w no real threat at certain growth and it's only rival dies miserably against it
What's wrong w stego knocking down prime allo? I'm more concerned about allo riding dibble lol

[frosty heron]

Ive tested it , its a weight specific range , if the Rex is bigger by 3 tons the pin is limited

[faint robin]

Or about omni doing 5k dmg in single pounce while trees dont work

[frosty heron]

But if youre bigger by 5/6 , full pin

[frosty heron]

Ah trust me the no brain gameplay gets you dead

[faint robin]

Against 4 trikes or 2 rexes maybe

Also that stunlock on stego above shouldn't exist as all the stunlocks

[frosty heron]

Also I gotta show you , while youre right Rex shouldnt be winning the poor Trike that easily , Stego can actually run down Rexes on FG and Big Elder sizes

Thats also not ok

[faint robin]

Why is rex knocking stego down then insta pins it

[faint robin]

Cuz stego should escape rexes, its weaker lol

[frosty heron]

Rex is faster by what , 1/2 km/h while the Stego has x2 more stam than Rex

[frosty heron]

Prime Stego isnt weaker wtf

[faint robin]

Prime stego is weaker than prime rex

[frosty heron]

Is not lol

[faint robin]

https://youtu.be/7tycKlJHGDg?si=Fue--8fzPtDBdej6 it clearly is

[frosty heron]

Stego can stun it with a single powerswing a do a x3 combo on it

[faint robin]

Rex doesn't care when it can abuse its overtuned agility to literally get out of swing after biting the tail

[frosty heron]

?

Overtuned agility , sure , bro wants to not be able to hunt

And run away from Stegos on sigh

[faint robin]

All I see in this vid is stego sweating to at least hit rex while rex just brainlessly go in, stun, fracture, go out while turning like a cera

[frosty heron]

Stego isnt weaker , if 2 Rexes see a single Stego its dead , but if 2 Stegos spot a solo Rex , bro its also dead

[faint robin]

If prime rex spots fg trike its also dead

Or if 2 rexes spots 1 trike

[frosty heron]

Who talking about Trike rn lol

[dusky surge]

Full elder allo is way faster lol

Stego is slower than Rex, murdersprint exists

[faint robin]

I don't see the issue in 1 rex dying to 2 stegs

[frosty heron]

Murdesprint can be used only once each 1:15 minutes and you burn 25% of your stamina , when you get below the regen threesold youre cooked

[faint robin]

There are a lot of scenarios where 2 smth spot 1 smth and 1 smth just dies

[frosty heron]

I just seen it , multiple times , Stegos chasing down big Rexes due to how slow they are compared to the burning on stamina

[faint robin]

Why shouldn't rex die to 2 stegos

[frosty heron]

I do when you can´t run away

[faint robin]

Dibble can't run away from 2 allos

[frosty heron]

Once you burned you stamina Stegos catch you because yeah they need that stamina while keeping the tail raised

[faint robin]

Trike can't run away from 2 rexes and will never be even if it would reliably take 1 rex on

[frosty heron]

Dibble can beat the f^* of allos ass lol

[dusky surge]

That doesn’t change the fact it can use that sprint and then stunchain the stego into oblivion

[dusky surge]

If 2 allos are losing to one Diablo, that’s just sad

[faint robin]

Why is it always the rex needing help lol
2 allos decimate 1 dibble
Even 2-3 ceras which btw are also faster than dib

[frosty heron]

Sad? Dibble has the knockdown yall complaining about lol

[faint robin]

And? It does 600 dmg max

[dusky surge]

Diablo hasn’t the damage/speed/agility to deal with two allos

[faint robin]

2 allos pin and kill dib

[frosty heron]

What the Rex does with the knockdown combo ?

750?

1000?

[dusky surge]

Diablo damage is for some reason tuned for matchups with cera, while trike’s damage is actually tuned towards dealing with actual apexes

[faint robin]

Rex literally stunlocks stego

It can do 1 dmg but steg still can't attack it

[dusky surge]

Rex does fracture, an element always conveniently forgotten when talking about its lethality

[frosty heron]

Just because you showed me a video of a Rex thats like x2 the size of the stego doesnt mean Rex can "stunlock" Stego because the Prime exist

[faint robin]

Its fg vs fg dude...

[frosty heron]

Its clearly not , the Stego did not stun him with the powerswing , check the video

[faint robin]

First stego did in fact stun him

[frosty heron]

After the pin

[faint robin]

Stun cooldown

Cuz it just stunned the rex

[frosty heron]

Cooldown isnt that long

[faint robin]

Lol he even stunned him twice

Like how are you missing that

[frosty heron]

Anyways , hes getting pinned and the cooldown resets , if the Stego can be pinned you can´t use that to complain

[faint robin]

See 0:16

[frosty heron]

When the Stego doesnt get pinned it has a fair matchup

[faint robin]

"When the stego doesn't get pinned"

[frosty heron]

"Fair" because I still thinking he can x3 combo you is insane

[faint robin]

Truly the rex moment

[frosty heron]

Yall just want the Stego to be chasing Rexes isnt it? xD

[faint robin]

And rex just goes in stunning stego to death

[frosty heron]

Yall want the same salary when im working 12 hours

And Stegos only 6

[faint robin]

Im not against smth actually posing threat to rex

[frosty heron]

Trike when its properly changed

[faint robin]

Trike when smth that won't happen

[frosty heron]

Stego shouldnt be being such threat with 0 skill as its just hold RMB and click

[faint robin]

I also can't say how trike poses a threat to rex with that speed lol

[frosty heron]

Rex has the agility but you have to at least , bait and dodge a bit

[frosty heron]

Youre being overly negative again

[faint robin]

Even if trike weighs 1000 tons and hits for 10000
It won't pose a threat to rex

[frosty heron]

Like yall herbs are getting straight buffs , and besides Cera and Omni, all the major carnis are getting nerfs

[faint robin]

Rex is being blatantly op from its release

[frosty heron]

Rex its balanced , OP is an overstatement

Trike is lacking , thats it

[faint robin]

I see how its balanced, decimates all its rivals

Trike won't do sht when rex fractures it in 3 crushes

[frosty heron]

I don´t see it on the survival server im in

In fact youre forced to pick trombosis or your Rex bleeds out even to tail hits from Stego

[steep otter]

dibble needs a small damage buff, its trash atack does way to little tbh

[frosty heron]

Agreed

[faint robin]

At least you live
Trike just explodes vs good rex so as stego

I don't see why 2 stegos chasing and killing rex is an issue

[frosty heron]

Of course I live , why I should die of Stego doing it wrong and hitting my tail only and only?

[frosty heron]

Biased opinion , everyone sees herbies being chased and dying to X carni and everyone complains , they do so on a Rex and its fine

Sure herbs are hunters now lmao

If 2 Stegos gonna body me like so let me fight them right? Wasnt that the logic?

[faint robin]

Just cuz they're herbies? I mean, dibble dies to 2-3 ceras which are tad faster from it's release, trike dies to 2 rexes w out any way of escaping and it's normal ig
But when devil stegos dare to chase rex PoOr REx needs buffs!!!

[faint robin]

Let 1 trike fight 2 rexes then

[frosty heron]

Dibble dying to 2 Ceras is kinda sad

[frosty heron]

Sure , let the Trike nuke 24 hours worth of growth , balanced

Make Trike 18 hours to growth then

[faint robin]

Nah let rexes nuke 12 hrs of growth w no effort

[frosty heron]

Trike might be lacking but lets not turn it into "I pick Trike im unkillable"

Specially when Trike can pack up to 4

[frosty heron]

Bet you never played Rex to say "No effort" , you just hate it with passion

[faint robin]

2 rexes chase and kill 1 trike just the same as 2 stegos do to 1 rex and its not an issue

[faint robin]

I picked it on dm and literally fell asleep fighting as it

[frosty heron]

Sure thing , grow one on survival , get it to prime , then come back

[faint robin]

Not counting 1 rex can use water to escape stegs

[frosty heron]

The big difference here is that I play all playables , I dont have any Bias

[faint robin]

Not counting 1 rex can also kill 2 stegs if they are bad

[frosty heron]

Why would I be running from Stegos in first place

[faint robin]

Because they are 2

2 ppl vs 1 guy

[frosty heron]

Deserved for being bad , nothing to do with balance at this point

[frosty heron]

What if they found me in South Plains and theres no water to run?

Im cooked isnt it?

[faint robin]

That's why you say 1 trike exploding vs 2 rexes is ok but if rex explodes vs 2 stegs its not? Clearly not bias

[frosty heron]

Youre not counting growth times here

And neither actual prey vs hunter stuff

You just want Stego to straight chase Rexes because "I hate them and they deserve to die"

[faint robin]

You are, just as smth like 1 trike dying to 2 rexes or 1 dib to 2 allos or 1 idk pachy to 2 carnos etc etc etc

Oh no rex actually fears smth, unimaginable

[frosty heron]

Theres big differences on those , Carno is faster than pachy by a good bunch bot speed and stamina

And Allo is a good margin faster than Dibble

[faint robin]

There are no prey or hunter stuff, all are players

[frosty heron]

Can run away , Rex cannot run from Stegs

Clearly , just using that logic on convenience

Fine lets Trike fight 2 Rexes

2 Rexes at FG , and the Trike has to be skilled

[faint robin]

I'll say trike vs 2 rexes is more of a death sentence than rex vs 2 stegs

[frosty heron]

Not autowin buttons and knockdown bs

[faint robin]

So as dib vs 2 allos just pinning it

[frosty heron]

You wont be killing a Stego before you bleed out , its pretty much the same , you cant do nothing, specially if you wasted all your stamina and you cant crush

[faint robin]

Or pachy vs 2 carnos
At least rex can fracture both stegs and escape
Or even fight them

[frosty heron]

Good luck landing 2/3 crushes on each Stego , youre clearly out of the situation

That or youre thinking the Stegos are real potato players

[faint robin]

Well most are

[frosty heron]

When theres such big difference on skill that aint balance issue , a decent Stego knows that if he stuns a Rex he can x3 powerswing it and has nothing to do about

Just imagine that and dealing with another Stego

I just wish they hit each other at that point

Ima be wandering Delta now in case 2 Stegos find me

Lets buff Trike I agree on that , but Rex doesnt need more nerfs imo

Specially since I discovered theres 2 types of pin

Bug fixes so it doesnt stun lock a Stego? ill buy it

[faint robin]

I see how stego dies to rex even if its a good stego
Trike buffs won't help it deal with 3 hit fracture
Rex should get fracture and turning nerfed at the very very least

[frosty heron]

Good Stego dies to good Rexes

Bad Rexes gonna bleed out as I can tell how I saw it happen multiple times

Because they run head on

[faint robin]

If you say rex dying to 2 stegs is an issue then think more globally, trike dying to 2 rexes as well as dib to 2 allos are also parts of this issue

[frosty heron]

If you nerf fracture and turning Rex is done for , cant fight neither a Trike or a Stego in none of the current conditions

If you nerf fracture only , it can do something

[faint robin]

Yeah, ofc same skill, cuz surely bad player should die to good player at least in same tier

Fracture nerf is must have, might be compensated by dmg buff
Turning nerf is vital too for how rex outturns sparring trike or cheeses stego just by standing turn but might not be needed if trike is properly buffed and rex fracture nerfed

[frosty heron]

Trike buff to its turning

Dont nerf my agility as I need it to bait attacks

[faint robin]

Trike should stun rex w standing flips

[frosty heron]

Yep it should

[faint robin]

Cuz rex stuns trike w standing crushes

[frosty heron]

But if Trike is gonna get a stun combo , let it not be thrash

Or just nerf thrash damage a bit , to 3k

At that point even Rex doesnt need dmg buffs

Apex fights should last longer

[faint robin]

It just needs to be tested, what is enough and what is not
My thing is to propose what I think will fix the issue, im not saying nerf everything about rex and buff trike everywhere
But trike surely needs buffs vs rex and rex needs frac nerf at the very least

Stego vs rex is already rex sided, im not against changing stego growth to be longer tho if it really matters
Cuz 2 stegs surely can chase 1 rex but what about 2 rexes? Rexes are abundant enough already

[frosty heron]

Stego fits better for when playables like Acro or Alberto shows up

Trike is Rex opponent , as it always been

Well , nvm , on Legacy Rex was wrecking Trike too

But the usual rivalry I mean

[faint robin]

Legacy rex destroys trike yes

Funny enough in PoT rex also destroys trike

[frosty heron]

I have no clue about PoT , got the game tho

[faint robin]

The only game where rex can't brainlessly destroy the big ceratopsian is BoB

I wonder what rexes will say when shant comes out

[frosty heron]

Im fine with Trike being stronger , got no issues with that , and pose a threat since its so slow

[faint robin]

Or camara, camara at least will most likely stand against multiple rexes

[frosty heron]

Those playables need to be on check , if they gonna be inmorthal they can turn into annoying griefing tools

If so they need to have almost land Deino levels of stamina and be slow af

[faint robin]

I also like how ppl say anky should be unkillable 1v1 when blud was literally half the weight of trike or rex
Yeah, surely it should be unkillable LOL
Anky overrated

[frosty heron]

Anky is very fad ahead , but I wish it has fractures too

Not an easy kill neither , bull killable , damage reduction on the body maybe and only full damage on the head

Encouraging well placed attacks for a Rex

[warm flax]

I think anky's tail swing should be limited to only cover its rear

making it like a porcupine always pointed its tail to the enemy

It can have low damage headbutt or shoulder shove to deal with the small tier

[dusky surge]

Nah I rate that, imho anky should just not care about 95% of the roster

Also using legacy weight as if it means anything for EVRIMA

[faint robin]

Should def care about trike, shant, cama

[faint robin]

Irl weight

[dusky surge]

Irl weight also doesn’t matter

Look at this roster lmao

Also honestly I’d not make anky care about trike that much since I’d personally have anky be slower than trike

[stark ether]

Just make anky give playables perma-bone break if it can’t choose any of its fights.

Yeah, you can kill it if you eventually get past the armor. At what cost…

[timber tusk]

#balance-feedback message
Tried Herrera again for the first time since before Trike, to see if you could live off Tacos in THE PIT while waiting for players to drop on (not the best idea since they’re not diet, so you’ll go infertile waiting), and realized it’s still really really easy to starve to death in no fish spawn (and they still don’t unless your a herbivore, lol).
And that reminded me that I previously suggested giving Troo clam access for the same reason. Neither Troo or Herrera can kill or keep up with Ai while babies, and Ptera, Beipi, and Gallie all have extra ways to feed themselves if they can’t find better food, or round out their diet, so I hope the other two tiny carnivores get some love soon.

AND don’t forget Austro. Austro starts about TINY too, and if they still haven’t fixed fish spawns by then, the poor little guy is gonna starve.
Clams. Give em clams. And maybe frogs that aren’t Sonic the Hedgehog.

[hazy lake]

Reasoning for re-adding diets from 75% and onward

The entombment system makes absolutely no sense when you pair it with 0% diets from 75% growth. People will try to grow in remote areas, rendering one of the main points of the elder system moot (afk-growing in a bush).

Ask anyone with a prime dinosaur that took more than 1-2 hours to grow if they're willing to do it all over again when a large portion of the player base is camping at the hotspots you need to visit.

It just feels disrespectful to people who don't have 8 hours a day to game.

Reasoning for new growth curve and peak stats at 100%

First of all, it's more intuitive. And yes, I know that stats already grow around subadult, but they are part of a phase that you will outgrow, not something you're locked in forever.

Second of all, people do not enjoy spending hours of growth to have "peak" fun for whatever time frame that spans from 75% to 88%, then just live in misery for the last 12,5%. Every single part of your life should have its upsides and downsides, every part should feel enjoyable in its own way.

Reasoning for adjusted stats at 100%

Having a map of fully grown dinosaurs is not exactly the most fun thing if you're not part of the crew yet. So to even the odds a little, the elders will have a minor handicap - nothing too debilitating, but a little "challenge" to still make the previous game mechanics up to this point somewhat relevant for you.

In other words, you still need a healthy diet to keep in shape and fight off the pesky youngsters.

[hazy lake]

Reasoning for new elder states

As an elder, your stamina drain is increased.
Currently, stamina is already a major factor for each stage in your life. The younger (and often slower) you are, the better your endurance/stamina for running around. Honestly speaking, I am somewhat confused if elder stamina is simply "adult" stamina (last/4th picture on your growth chart). Point is, it should be more of a core factor when you reach those beastly sizes.

It takes longer to heal.
or
It takes slightly longer to heal.
Elders have more power and weight to throw around, but them old bones need time to recover. This gives the younger generation a window of opportunity that isn't exactly prevalent atm. And yes, I do think Gastronomic Regeneration needs a rewrite! I'll add my take here:

Gastronomic Regeneration
Whenever you are hurt and lie down to rest, your body will consume your diets at a faster pace to speed up your recovery.

The mutation is no longer locked to a particular slot. Instead, it is unlocked as a lifestyle mutation, only becoming available if you have maxed out buffs that aid your healing process.

This means that Gastro no longer functions as a health potion during a fight. It should also integrate with the mutation Enhanced Digestion, allowing quicker recovery while burning less diets.

Your speed is the same.
"Why does my speed not increase when your suggest my weight and bite force should?"
Because speed is such a delicate matter to balance. Besides, you ARE getting an increase - because at your size, it really should be lower!

[dusky surge]

@tardy wind #balance-feedback message

health always equals weight, no matter what, so whatever weight you put a creature at will also be its health

also beipi claw does 30 atm, not 20

[tardy wind]

My bad on the damage, but the weight is straight up untrue because Troodon has more health than it weighs. Fun fact I guess :)

[dusky surge]

no, it doesn't

it did for only one update

[tardy wind]

That's... not true lmao

[dusky surge]

troodon health is still 60

still gets onetapped by a raptor bite

it was 120 for a very short bit but that change was quickly undone

[waxen lance]

i also was under the assumption that troo had more health than weight, at 100

but even so, beipi still needs the hp/weight increase atleast on prime

[dusky surge]

it did, once

i do agree with the prime not being same weight as the adult tho lol

[waxen lance]

yeah i thought that change was still in lol

but i think for smalls we need mostly quality of life so its not just annoying to play them

some could use stat changes

[dusky surge]

100% agreed, smalls just need to feel cool

[vale brook]

it is

[maiden temple]

I'd like to see that tested tbh

[steep otter]

they will oversize anky here 100%

[steep otter]

250kg beipe was peak

[waxen lance]

fr we need it back

[thorn mountain]

@solemn thunder lucky they aint going for full realism

[solemn thunder]

well they keep yappin about how realistic this game is tbh

i would prefer if they went full realism

[thorn mountain]

yea lets make everything 1 hit

wht can go wrong!

[solemn thunder]

nah they would never do that tho

[thorn mountain]

and they shouldnt

[solemn thunder]

at least make realistic dinosaurs tho

[thorn mountain]

no

[solemn thunder]

i would love that

[thorn mountain]

otherwise many things would be vastly different

[solemn thunder]

i know

[thorn mountain]

and most animals would just be a copy and paste of eachother with a different skin

[solemn thunder]

naaha

[thorn mountain]

if you want that go play saurian

[solemn thunder]

no

[thorn mountain]

yea...

[solemn thunder]

naaah

[thorn mountain]

believe it or not, the way the game is made is done for a reason

[solemn thunder]

the game sucks and everyone knows it

[thorn mountain]

I dont think it sucks

if you dont enjoy it, why be here?

[vale brook]

everyone needs to get with the program then because the game is kind of popping off icl

[solemn thunder]

because its the best dinosaur survival game

[thorn mountain]

then why do you hate it?

if its bad why is it the best

[solemn thunder]

balancing mainly

and its buggy as hell

[thorn mountain]

balance is honestly kinda good

we have seen farrrr worse

[solemn thunder]

all dinosaur survival games are bad

[solemn thunder]

eeeeh no

rex and allo are the most broken playables there have ever been so far

these two alone made half the roster unplayable

[thorn mountain]

disagree

the only unplayable one is dibble honestly

[solemn thunder]

teno

[thorn mountain]

and dibble is somewhat okay

[solemn thunder]

what about teno and trike

[thorn mountain]

teno is faster, teno has a faster swim speed, if you care abt killing then yea

[solemn thunder]

neither of them can fight off allos and rexes

[thorn mountain]

ive been doing fine on trike

[solemn thunder]

well trike can fight off allos but not even a solo rex

[thorn mountain]

im actually playing one rn

[solemn thunder]

then you got lucky

[thorn mountain]

trike is in a bad spot, but yea thats more of a rex issue

[solemn thunder]

what servers do you play on

[solemn thunder]

absolutely, somehow stego stands more chance against a rex then trike

than*

[thorn mountain]

officials, mettas den, petits, better offficial

[solemn thunder]

isnt petits like a heaven for herbis

cuz they can help each other and stuff

[thorn mountain]

I play solo

[solemn thunder]

same

but not on petits

i dont like the rules and 400 players is just waaay too much

[vale brook]

this is true, 400 players is actual nightmare fuel

check out mettas den though. pretty much just an official server but with no mixpacking/mixherding

[solemn thunder]

thats an american server

im european

[thorn mountain]

you will literally get 60-80 ping

[solemn thunder]

last time i played there i had 140

[thorn mountain]

oh yea

its on the west coast

[solemn thunder]

bruh

[thorn mountain]

east coast you get 80 ish probs

[elfin night]

@solemn thunder makes sense because it is meant to kill by drowning mainly as opposed to brawling against large things + it is realistic for it to not have a substantially higher or even equal bite force

[vale brook]

^ id argue that deino is probably in one of the best spots its been in for a while. Fish spawns are better, to the point where starvation for younger deinos can be kinda rare depending on your luck. Theres more sizeable prey running around, alongside it getting a size buff regardless of prime or not

obviously its not great, still. kit adjustment will hopefully do wonders for the thing, but still

[static garden]

Haven't seen a fish in months, so no. You can get lucky in the swamps now but definately just a scavanger now since land animals are so fast and deino is slow. I went from having 10+ fullgrown deinos on officials to 0 and no desire to play the Deino unless they submit a change for the land AI to be attracted to water or fish spawn fix. Anyone saying Deino isnt just a starving simulator is being dishonest. The land carni's have an almost endless supply of food whether it be players or AI. Edit: not to mention all the safe drinking spots that ensure no land animal requires dangerous water to drink.

[vale brook]

if you havent seen fish in months idk what to tell you lol. i havent been able to go near water lately without seeing them jumping out of the water

[elfin night]

Tbf deino still sucks design wise

But yeah now it’s like E tier instead of F-

[sand garden]

Poor Diablos are pretty much extinct at this point, Allo and Rex has officially made one class almost completely obsolete, just as I feared lol.

[dusky surge]

doesnt help in the same patch as they were added, diablo got effectively the only real nerf in the entire update, which was to its speed and drift

so not only was it already threatened hard by these animals, but it also got nerfed to be worse against them lol

[sand garden]

Sucks too, really liked playing Dibble.

[dusky surge]

agreed, im really sad about it, its genuinely now where pachy used to sit in terms of just being godawful as a playable lmao

functionally no reason to play it over trike, and even trike isn't that good

if you want a competent, powerful midtier herbi, maia is better every day of the week

[sand garden]

I just cant enjoy herbivores in general, its either play Stego or Trike or get diffed, I 'really' dont like Maia because its moveset feels so sluggish, like I'm fighting as a drunk man or something.

The ones I actually enjoyed, Dibble and Teno, are just shadows of their former self.

[indigo rain]

I've been able to escape predation as Teno a lot of the time, but I've definetly noticed a lot of matchups have gone from 50/50 "run or fight" to "run first, and run later"

because if you risk wasting stamina killing something that comes at you solo, you might get caught by mixpackers

[sand garden]

Yaa, that's why I play on Unofficials, to me its just pin slop is what gets me.

And the crazy amount of bleed that Allos can do.

[frosty heron]

Whats wrong with Teno tho?

[sand garden]

It gets bled out and pinned fairly easily by Allos and Sub/Fresh sub Rexes along with Cerato still being a high threat to them, but mostly the other two being heavily oppressive unless playing on Unofficial servers that'll heavily restrict top predators.

But if you're playing in just a normal Official servers, Teno and Diablo arent doing much at all currently to defend itself besides just running, and one cant even do that.

[dusky surge]

teno at least is more survivable than dibble atm thanks to its swimspeed, trot speed and actual running speed

like i genuinely think diablo is way worse

[sand garden]

It indeed is.

I just added teno in there because I havent seen much of them since Allo.

[frosty heron]

I mean yeah but you are faster than Allos in all their lifecycle , got more stamina probs , fresh sub Rexes can catch you with the murder sprint but you can kill all those below 3 tons

And Cerato is a skill matchup

[sand garden]

That is true, but most dont like having to deal with pin slop when that's most likely going to be the outcome, so most the time you're just running, and that's not really fun either when that's all your seeing is Allos/Rexes most the time.

So I'm just saying they're mostly extinct because most would prefer to play something that can at least fight back.

But once all the hype dies down from Allos and Rexes, we'll see if Tenos population will go back to normal, I still have little hope for Diablos tho lol.

[frosty heron]

Considering whats to come and the roster , probably we are on a bad update for them but with the time they will get back to their actual niche

I just cannot see Teno figthting back a 3 ton Allo or Rex , for now it is what it is

[sand garden]

I kinda hope they'd go back to the original concept of them being more of a aquatic base type herbie, since it swims so fast and works well around water/mud.

[frosty heron]

On the survival server im playing I saw a full pack of Tenos a while ago and I was glad people still plays it

But the vast mayority of people just wants to kill stuff

The best herb to do that now is Stego

[sand garden]

Thats nice, it is a unique playable after all, but ya, most are out for blood and want something that can fight back.

[frosty heron]

Pachy can be a menace to mind tiers with its prime too

Even myself as Rex main , I really want the Rex hype to go down

[sand garden]

I just want more mid tiers worked on in the game in general, the big guys are nice and all, but its the small/mids that really flesh it out and not make it boring.

In my personal opinion the apexes are extremely boring.

[frosty heron]

Got away more Rex vs Rex kills than any herb

[frosty heron]

They are , thats why I play mids inbetween of each Rex session

Had more fun with Carno than Rex is 3 different sessions

[spiral ledge]

carno it is very fun to play right now xd , it is literally the 2t apex

[sand garden]

For sure, I've played Rex a few times, and most either run away from you, or they die in a few bites, and then its back to walking at a snails pace around the map, and with herbies its even worse lol. The best action is with other apexes but at that point its who ever got the first hit in and crushes/pins/gores/stuns.

[warm flax]

ez to travel around and replenish food through ai during the trip

[spiral ledge]

Nah is the perfect low tier machine , i mean i have killed today more than 40 raptors with it , it is literally a machine of dead

[sand garden]

I'm just twiddling my thumbs for Bary, so I can get the salt water mutation and just have a grand ole time lol.

[warm flax]

Im waiting bary player to find out there is absolutely no food in the water and trhey have to rely on land ai 99% of the time or cannibalize on each other

[frosty heron]

Apex fights should last longer imo thats why im against all kind of high damaging attacks or stun combos

[frosty heron]

And when you find food theres a Deino camping it

Hope Bary can feed itself with schooling

[warm flax]

unlikely ,cause deino are desperately looking for schooling fish as well
raised a 6.6 , a 4 ton and a 500kg deino in the past like 2 weeks
I've only seen schooling fish twice in my gameplay

on metta's server

[sand garden]

I hope they at least up the elite fish spawn once Austro and Bary are out or indeed it wont be enough to keep a healthy population up, unless they make Bary cracked and it can hunt land critters just fine.

[sand garden]

For real, its really boring to experience.

The most fun I've had fighting as is Omni (back when it was actually good in Spiro tho) Carno and Teno.

[warm flax]

well there are ppl here think the water biome is in the perfect spot right now

[sand garden]

I've also had a lot of fun fights as Herrera tho as well, me and my group of friends were good enough at one point to kill adult Diablos.

[sand garden]

Swamps? I havent been there much but a few people have said fish are kinda finally spawning there.

But I honestly wish there was a big river running through the island like back on Spiro, forcing people to cross it to the other side, that way there's more chances for aquatics to get a meal.

Right now to many of the lakes, and other water accesses are on kinda one side of the map.

While isolated ponds are on the other.

[warm flax]

everytime there is a debate about increacing the amount of ai spawn to it used to be
there will always be ppl like "noooo you deino players will just eat ai all day"
meanwhile piles of ai lies scattered around on land everywhere

[sand garden]

For real, people seriously just have a hate grudge on Deinos and dont want to apply the same rules they give everything else.

Like how Deino shouldnt have high damage, or a one shot ability when its literally bound to water while there's a literally land deino walking around lol (Rex)

[warm flax]

you can see countless these type of conversation in ai feedback

[sand garden]

Yep, I wish there was more fish in general.

[warm flax]

more water or deeper the lake is-> less food ->deino forced to play in some extreme method, like try to camp in some pond ->people gets mad

[sand garden]

💯

I never understood the Deino hate, still never will. One of the most difficult things to keep alive.

[warm flax]

you can swim at the north lake, northeast lake and east swamp all day without worrying getting dragged, cause no deino there can weight over 500kg

[sand garden]

I'm just glad aquatic life to get more attention in general. Its been far to long lol.

[warm flax]

If you search for the word “fish” in the chat, you’ll see people asking where all the fish have gone almost every day—and this has been going on for months.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the devs directly address this issue. All they’ve said is, “Oh, deino is going to get a kit adjustment.”

I honestly don’t see how a kit adjustment alone can save its gameplay in the current state..... lunging vertically? or maybe do a backflip? land ai still senses deino underwater like 100 meters away and start running

[sand garden]

I agree, there's still so much that needs to be done with aquatic gameplay but they havent even scratched the basics of the AI in general lol, I know its not good to compare games, but I legit think they should take some inspiration from a game like Wolf Quest, that has some pretty good animal Ai behavior I've seen in awhile.

[gleaming karma]

That is because the rex can stun the trike when he crushes his face, the rex should get a huge punishment for even trying to crush trikes face. It should apply insane damage and/or insane bleed

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

giving rex higher speed and damage for the nothing sacrifice of a bit of weight (which i dont know why it's getting nerfed at all tbh), and murdersprint duration (which doesn't matter as much because murdersprint is faster, so is the base speed)

i dont think rex needs a buff, and this is a rex buff

the slight reduction to turn radius to "help trike" is laughable given rex is now just faster, allowing it to continue running circles around trike

[solemn thunder]

absolutely, just like carno when it tries to ram something bigger it gets damage back

[indigo rain]

The "nerf" to rex just buffs it further and renders more small sized species extinct due to the speed boost.

[light vortex]

#balance-feedback message

If we're going for a realistic game based on scientific data, Tyrannosaurus rex is indeed an apex predator, but you have to consider that it wasn't contemporaneous with many of the dinosaurs on the Isle. Allosaurus existed 80 million years after T. rex. If they had been contemporaries, the T. rex's unshakeable position would clearly have been challenged.

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message @cosmic pelican ELDERING????

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-fromsoftware-inc-hidetaka-miyazaki-bandai-namco-entertainment-george-rr-martin-gif-26081937

my fav game besides the isle, now in the isle??

[golden coral]

@white spade That's not what carno is about. It's not a hit and run, it's a small game hunter, which is more so hit and kill. It is not intended to hunt larger playables, though it can still attempt that in packs as it is.

[spiral ledge]

@white spade I played more than 1000 hours with carno and Carno is now best than ever , is the perfect killing machine for small things , all dinos below 1.8 t are very easy preys of carno , I consider myself as a very but very good carno player but right now the carno is not entertaiming to play , kills everything very easy

I mean carno is able to kill 2t Allos , 1.950 kg ceras , right now carno is best than ever

[white spade]

The problem is that most of the players are playing with bigger dinos.

So:

1- We eat bots.
2- We eat dead dinosaurs.
3- We try killing a bigger one, however Ceras and Allos can have a good amount of players in their group.

For Carno vs Cera, its okay, its almost a fair 1v1.

However, for Carno vs Allos, if allo hit you with its right attack, its end game, because Carno's turn, bleed and defenses aren't that good.

[white spade]

Indeed, Carno is better now, but a solo Carno can't do much. If you are in a group, yeah, a battle against heavier dinos is kinda fair, but people aren't always in a group

[spiral ledge]

Carno is the unique dino that you can play alone and survive , and thanks for his incredible speed is the unique 100% elder dino able to survive excluding apexs , I mean running 45 kmh and with charge 47 able carno to survive

i mean yesterday alone i killed like 20 raptors and 10 dilos and some alone ceras

[white spade]

You have a point

[maiden temple]

It's a permadeath game, there will always be a supply of smaller life stages to hunt, I think it's fine if you can't punch up when you destroy everything your size and under

[white spade]

But, for example, yesterday I was ~80%, a 60% rex could match my speed with his sprint perk, I didn't died because I'm main Carno, but they hit me a lot. It was 2, by the way

[spiral ledge]

with carno you should know who are your fights and who not , I mean i love that dino and when was my main I consider one of the best in carno but I am so tired to kill always the same , A life of carno resume: Kills 10-12 utahs , some dilos and some ceras and small juvis and die because someone ambush you

[spiral ledge]

really?

frail or prime ?

i mean it is imposibble 80% carno run 52 xd

[white spade]

I see this as a problem. Because Its not always a skill game, the bigger win almost 90% of the time. And if the bigger one is in a group, this percentage increases

[hasty coyote]

the issue is, if you make carno able to handle the larger dinos while alone, it will cause even more issues. Namely the fact it will absolutely demolish anything smaller even more than now. Because the amount of damage you would need to give carno to handle the larger dinos would make it just 1-tap anything smaller. Additionally, why would you want to play the larger and slower dinos when something nearly 2x your speed is just as strong?

[maiden temple]

Yeah but they're nullified by the game's design to let you either fight it or run away effectively. You don't have to fight them and they cannot catch you

Therefore it's still very much balanced and fair

[white spade]

I was adult, or almost adult, not sure, but I was around 80% and the rex were almost my size, and they matched my speed 🤷‍♂️

[indigo rain]

Juvie rex gets fast for about 30 mins before it hits sub and slows down massively

[spiral ledge]

you werent elder? 47 i think runs the adult carno , A type for carno player , avoid south and hl , the best place for carno are delta and wr

[maiden temple]

Wasn't it 49 for adult?

[hasty coyote]

ah, yeah thats an issue with juvie rexes being just as fast as a carno for a good amount of time. idk why they need to be THAT fast, but apparently they just are. Its an issue that isnt carno-specific as dilos and gallis suffer just as much if not more, juvie rex's speed needs a nerf, not carno buffed.

[spiral ledge]

49?idk but a rex never catchs you 100% sure if you are adult 1.3 or prime

[white spade]

Kinda off, take real life, for example, the bigger animal don't always win. The game should follow the same aspect.

A weight should be the main point, indeed.
But it shouldn't be the major check to win a 1v1.

Take Path Of Titans for another example. There has skills, so is a skill based game, The Isle is not, and its okay, but since they are adding different types of attacks, its kinda a skill, but the skills aren't balanced.

[maiden temple]

PoT is not a good example imho, I can murder apexes as a tiny chicken

[white spade]

For real

[white spade]

hahahah that's true

[maiden temple]

It doesn't take much skill either lol
This game has a much higher skill ceiling honestly, some fights are not meant to be won, you can't just bully bigger stuff because you can zoom zoom

Pouncers are made to punch up, which makes sense, I can't imagine how goofy would a carno fighting a rex look like

[white spade]

I mean, in real life a cat bullies bears and things like that.

https://tenor.com/view/who-do-think-you-are-get-out-my-way-get-out-of-here-cat-bear-gif-16658415

[maiden temple]

It's not the cat itself that's scary, a lot of animals react quick to possible danger - small and agressive beings usually mean venom, just as an example

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-cucumber-scared-gif-10226870

[white spade]

😆

[white spade]

Truee

[maiden temple]

Bright colours, novelty (wolves are known neophobes) etc makes animals look rather skittish

[white spade]

But its okay, the game is still fun

[maiden temple]

Imagine the bear turned back and decided NOT TODAY

[white spade]

That would be tough

But cats are ninjas #teamcat

[maiden temple]

If we had something to guide us how to play specific dinos - like profiles - we'd also play a bit differently

[maiden temple]

Yees, perfectly balanced! Can't really fight it? You can escape!

[indigo rain]

#balance-feedback message

A good example of the sheer distance a juvie rex can close as well as how you arent all that powerful just because youre faster than someone lol

[maiden temple]

Unless you're pinned then rip

[spiral ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HOpeFG6TQ @white spade I found one video of myself playing carno if you wanted to checked what i am talking about carno

[steep gazelle]

49km and 59km with charge (adult)

[maiden temple]

Crazy, thank you

[frosty heron]

Maybe because Stego has better agility, reach and can stun combo Rex being smaller , the whole fact is doing better than Trike on 1v1 or even 1v2 is insulting for Trike

Stego shouldnt be doing that good and Trike shouldnt be doing it that bad

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message 5 ton dibble knocking over nearly adult stegos and basically everything the community would consider a prime elder…

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-clint-eastwood-gran-torino-yuck-eww-gif-4412827

[real bramble]

DEAR GOD WHEN ARE THESE DISGUSTING DEVS GOING TO FIX THIS ALLOSAURUS OMNI PIN META.

12 ton trike pinned by 2 allosaurus and a juvi

11 ton rex pinned by 6 raptors.

[steep otter]

Dible only needs a speed buff and a damage buff to its trash mainly, 5 tons is insane lmao

[dusky surge]

yea lmao, all you do is just lower the gap between trike and diablo rather than giving dibble its own identity

dibble just needs to be more mobile across the board. Speed, agility, etc

i honestly want it to have the ability to press space while in spar stance to do a quick hop in whatever direction its moving, allowing it to completely mix up opponents, at the cost of a sparring charge

imagine how much more dynamic its gameplay would be, and now its not just "small trike clone"

[elfin night]

Lmao

I know it needs fixing but I can’t help it

People who were never subjected to Omni pin overreacting when it affects them will never not be funny

[steep otter]

Tbh, not a bad take at all. Currently it is to slow for its size

[warped zenith]

doesn't need it, what they should have done is give him more mobility but make him weigh less, not give him everything, you complain that the allo can't have more mobility because weighs a lot, but dibble that the trash has that leaves you like a porcupine that you no longer want to receive another, you want to give mobility to the dibble to make it even easier to kill when it already has an ability that from 2 trash almost kills allo and also weighs the same as the allo, nah balanced bro

[dusky surge]

allo can kill 12 ton trikes

dibble cannot

nerf allo

same argument, equally silly

dibble being good at beating up an allo does not make it need a "tradeoff" for better stats

dibble is bad atm, literally flat out, bad

[spiral ledge]

Dibble is bad right now because of rex nothing more , the solution is reduce rex speed to help the dibbles to survive

[dusky surge]

rex and allo

let's not forget one conveniently

[spiral ledge]

Allo can’t win 1 vs 1 vs dibvle

[dusky surge]

it can, with difficulty sure, but it SHOULDN'T

and even then, a competent allo (or one that just knows how to use pounce to nuke the dibble down) can win too

[warped zenith]

wait, I'll refute it:

dibbles should not kill trikes

allo are made to kill trikes

good nigh

[dusky surge]

so make dibble able to kill trikes so it's fair and more balanced between allo and dibble, clearly

[warped zenith]

it's bad because dies from the rex, just like the allo, the problem is the rex xd

[warped zenith]

WHAT? AJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJA

[dusky surge]

allo has a much easier time against rex

[dusky surge]

(it was a joke, because that's a stupid idea)

[spiral ledge]

To fight vs dibble with allo is nearly imposible because drift animation is bugged and stop running , why shouldn’t hunt dibbles . Something that is in your diet ? What we hunt ?? I mean Mr para go to primal and try 1 vs 1 . You allo vs a dibble and later comes back , you need to be very but very good to kill a mediocre dibble

[dusky surge]

rex being overpowered has nothing to do with dibble being bad

both are true

[spiral ledge]

I recommended to try allo Mr para and later you come back , I have killed a lot of allos in primal with the dibble because is very very very easy to kill allos , I mean I played 3 hours in all my life with dibble and I was able to kill allos xd

[warped zenith]

if there are several dibbles there can't do anything, rex still can

[warped zenith]

well, according to your argument it's what you want xd

[dusky surge]

what argument has me say such a thing?

[spiral ledge]

Nah allo 1 vs 1 , never sima because rex have 4 x time better turn and a lot better bite and everything

[warped zenith]

dibble can't do anything and dies, but nah

[dusky surge]

why... are you 1v1ing a rex as an allo

you run from a rex regardless of if you're allo or dibble

you don't take that fight wtf

[spiral ledge]

We are speaking Dino vs Dino because from your idea the pack limits doesn’t care

[dusky surge]

why can you only think in solo and pack limits and nothing inbetween lol

there are more allos on a server than dibbles

[warped zenith]

dibble rn can vs allo 1vs1, Idk what else you want, can vs all? It's a herbivore, can now defend itself very well, try it, allo needs to hunt to survive and everyone says that there can't vs dibble lul

[dusky surge]

1v1s are literally not all the game has to offer

[spiral ledge]

Because is a new Dino and is the unique mid tiene carni

[dusky surge]

and even when it isn't new, there's gonna be tons of allos

[warped zenith]

because the rex kills them, for that very reason, anyway, as I have already told you, 2 dibbles even kill 4 allos, also, how do 4 allos survive if they need to eat a lot?

[dusky surge]

imma be real, 2 diablos should ABSOLUTELY lose to 4 allos unless the allos are awful

if you're losing to 2 diablos as a megapack of allos, lmao

[warped zenith]

well, go with people, it's the problem of going alone, if you find 3 allos, crying or you play rex, you can't make the dibble stronger than 2 or 3 allos simply because you want to play alone, it's your problem

[spiral ledge]

I mean the max packs form allo is 3 xdddd

[dusky surge]

like genuinely i cannot believe you actually think 2 diablos win that

sure, you might lose 1-2 allos, but you should win every time against 2 diablos as 4 allos

[warped zenith]

I have not found any group of 4 allos, at most 3, and I already told you that 2 dibbles can vs 3 allos, also if there are 4 allos go with your group which can be 6 dibbles, use it, you can't make a dino stronger than a group because you play alone, they have to eat

[warped zenith]

and that is a victory for the allos?

dibble is more easier to grow to allos

[dusky surge]

yes? i mean, they shouldn't be losing anyone if they're playing smart, but still

literally in a 4v2 as allos vs dibbles, you could literally just mindlessly bumrush the dibbles and probably win as long as you hit a few pounces and clawswipes, and god forbid you get a grapple

[spiral ledge]

I mean we are talking about 4 allos when is capped to 3 , for example 3 allos vs 2 dibbles , always are gonna win dibble

[warped zenith]

it's sad that need 4 allos of 3,6 tons to kill 2 dibbles of 3,7 tons, plus can only be 3 allos while dibbles can be 6 and it is easier to maintain lol

[dusky surge]

you guys love group limits dont ya

[warped zenith]

according to you doesn't matter

[dusky surge]

in terms of how the game is balanced, not really, no

[warped zenith]

but ppl think otherwise xd

[dusky surge]

yes, your strawman is incredible

i know you're very proud of it

[warped zenith]

you mean you think it's balanced that a dibble can vs 2 allos when they are prepared to kill trikes with 3?, good

[dusky surge]

if a solo dibble is beating 2 allos, LMAO

[slim dragon]

The downvotes don't mean what you think they mean

[warped zenith]

you want me to put every dino in every message to see what dino they want and what they don't?

[dusky surge]

the size of the strawman doesn't change the fact it's still a strawman

[slim dragon]

Uh no
That's unrelated

[spiral ledge]

if the dibble is pro sure , i mean you need the equal skill to allo vs dibble win 1 vs 1 , that the dibble needs to win 2 vs 1

[warped zenith]

then what mean those downvotes?

[spiral ledge]

both have to be very very good in his skills

[slim dragon]

That raising the group limit of all carnivores to 10 is a stupid idea

[dusky surge]

people logically don't like your absurdist strawman and think that you saying something outlandish is in fact, outlandish

me saying "don't let carnivores group anymore" would recieve equal downvotes

i wonder why

its not like group limits matter, so they can be 1

except you misconstrue what we mean by "group limits don't matter"

the game is designed around the philosophy that a solo animal should be fully capable of self-sufficient survival, which is true for basically all animals outside of specific cases like mixpacks or megapacks that are too overwhelming for what their kit provides

group limits quite literally are just secondary to the overall solo kit, which is designed first, and often just set out to fulfil whatever niche

solo hunter like deino or rex? small group
horde creature like troodon or dryo? big group

it also grants a little bit more reason to play smaller critters because they usually have larger groups as the norm

[warped zenith]

if you are crying because 2 allos can vs dibble

[spiral ledge]

And that's not always the case; that is, it takes the same skill to be an allo alone to beat a dibble, as well as the same skill a dibble needs to beat two allos.

in a fight 95% wins dibble and 5% allo

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message ah yes, another combat mutation to stack with all the others

[junior wagon]

If you haven't noticed, the Devs and majority of this community that is vocal don't what any feature that appeals to Deinosuchus gameplay. Otherwise fish would spawn.

I'm sure if you removed the Deinosuchus part, you would get more likes lmao

[elfin night]

Deino sucks and shouldn’t be getting any privileges until it gets a rework, but that certainly isn’t the main reason

In fact, how does that mutation even appeal to deino? It says that the LESS water you have, the more damage you get

If anything, it discourages people from drinking often

People downvoted it for being yet another damage boosted that we don’t need

[junior wagon]

It's a double edged blade what you are talking about, sure they are discouraged from drinking to full. That doesn't mean they are not drinking all the time bud? Think it about it critically, if they want to maintain a low thirst they literally have to hug the water and constantly drink.

They could go for damage resist instead of damage boost cause there are plenty of damage muts already as is.

[junior wagon]

They need to rework the map, and fix fish spawns(or more like bring them back tbh). There should be no safe spots, or very limited at the least for drinking. The map is huge, water sources cover the entire map and you can practically just get saltwater mut and almost never see a croc.

They keep adding shallow water were crocs cannot even sit in. The only rework that would make Deino somewhat enjoyable is removing these horrible safespots plastered throughout the map.

You must remember the spiro map, most players can agree this map was peak compared to current standards. All the waterways where mostly connected, but still even with that in mind, there's so much area to cover it was still a game of chance for croc.

They should revert back to Spiro map imo and scrap humans at this point.

[elfin night]

Deino is confirmed to be getting a kit rework which is precisely what it needs

[elfin night]

Nah it was pretty bad

And deino wasn’t doing things much better

[junior wagon]

can you link me to that post, I've heard good opinions on Spiro map at least for how the water and hot spots were

[elfin night]

It was all just a battle arena with some jungle around and then a whole water source that was a narrow hallway with no hiding spots, making it so that deinos had to team up to survive consistently and not gamble

So a battlefield in land or in the water

Not great

[junior wagon]

Ya but that's what people want, otherwise why would they congregate in one are to fight?

The devs forcing people away from areas is bad move tbh. Like how they killed SP and North lake. SP has some activity, but it's nill compared to what it was. North lake might as well be a Sahara desert.

People will still find a way to meet in one hotspot, because they want action. Nobody wants to walk 20-100km and see nothing so they go hotspots for action otherwise this is just a growing simulator.

[junior wagon]

the main take from Spiro is most of the water sources are connected, at the very least make travel from one on the current map somewhat accessible for croc. Instead of having to take a death march everytime lol.

[elfin night]

Too lazy, but Kissen said something along those lines

Just browse it in the history by looking up something like “the deino” from her or “not in the best/a great spot”

[elfin night]

How are they forcing people out of a spot?

[elfin night]

I could agree that connecting water sources would be nice, but I dislike just about anything else regarding spiro with the central plains full of corpses and solo deinos being a miserable experience

Plus that map just couldn’t accommodate some playables we have today like herra or beipi, let alone upcoming ones like spino

[junior wagon]

They start by removing spawns and pz, which means no food so you are forced elsewhere. The cherry on top is they turn plains into a jungle, and of course no one wants to fight in a jungle they like open spaces, it gives awareness.

SP for a while had no AI or plants, until they brought it back. And when they did bring it back it was incremental as in they added bit by bit until it reached what it was before.

This in itself without the drastic changes to terrain pushed players away. North lake, same story, but they didn't touch the terrain much just messed with AI/PZs

These changes although it may have been temporary to force players out of an area, the lasting damage is permenant and it will take a while before those spots reach the activity they had before.

I can understand insisting on people check out new areas by giving them options, not by removing them....

Make those new areas of the map you want people to explore filled with plants and AI and watch the magic happen.

[dusky surge]

i love how you assu,e it's about buffing deino and not the fact that they used the words "hyperwaterbolic inanition" or the absolutely absurd concept that being thirsty makes you do more damage, or the fact it actually DISCOURAGES people to go by the water and drink because they get a damage buff for getting low water

like brother it doesn't even help deinos

[dusky surge]

also Spiro isn't coming back, thank God. there are going to be more aquatics than just deino, and some of these aquatics prefer shallow waters, like the austro which is planned for next update. Spiro has nowhere for an austro to thrive, since all the water is just homogenous deep rivers or swamps

removing safespots from gateway only makes the map worse, it completely undermines the addition of varying aquatics by catering purely to the gator and no one else, and completely babies deinos because challenge and adversity in a survival game is problematic i guess

also i love the sneaky little "scrap humans" lmao. That ain't ever happening

[regal tulip]

I mean it's true that a deino has more chances to grab someone that tries to maintain a low water level, they'll need to drink way more frequently

[warm flax]

As a Deino main who lives around the Delta River and the old swamps, I don’t have any issue with how often players need to drink.
what I really need is a some AI to slow down my hunger drain (im talking about from 2-8 tons,being a prime elder is a different story), so I can move between different ambush spots or keep tracking the herds I’ve discovered
most of my catches are ppl who crosses river recklessly thinking they are safe in numbers

[vast ruin]

As a deino main, my main problem is that I die from hunger before I'm even able to catch anything, because the fish no longer exists.

[trim drum]

It seems that I had to explain the idea more in-depth by how this mutation would promote players to interact more nearby waters and 'safespots'.

Firstly - it could be implemented as a 'choose one of Inanitions'.
Secondly - if You watch how people play with hunger inanition, that they eat more frequently and by sniffing for flesh, they can be tracked, despite footsteps disappearing too quickly or rarely appearing due to how footsteps mechanic has been done... same logic applies to thirst inanition, that players with it would appear more frequent to drink waters and it can unlock croc playstyle to wander on land into nearby bush to one-tap/two-tap dinos up to ~1700kg.
Thirdly - it could be done as an unlockable mutation as it has been with cannibal and salt water, that You have to unlock it by doing it. Noone forces You to pick it or do it, but it's a playstyle to provide/suggest for variety.
Fourthly - am I only one seeing that people ignore the fact that there are too many water 'safespots', while fish spawns have been a too long lasting issue to fix? This thirst damage mutation would be step forward for flesh to be nearby waters, since there are no other incentive to be nearby water as of thirst.
And lastly - dino who picks both inanitions, would get in real danger, if he gets spotted by a patience hunter or hunt-pack, where he gets putted on a spot, to be forced moving to various locations to get hunger and thirst sorted, not be full belly and sit by water or by wall(examples are - raptor pack hunts for Trex, diablo, trike, teno who just sits in narrow places, and water mutation would shorten standing in those places at expense for damage).

Or my logic has to be restructured that thirst damage mutation will discourage water activity of land dinos?

[dusky surge]

honestly i think hypermetabolic is bad enough on its own, i really dislike the concept of allowing more mutations that make you play poorly for huge damage benefits to exist

[thorn mountain]

HELL NAH

[warm flax]

I like the lakes and rivers right now
they could make north east lake to central river no longer a one way trip
there are too many cliffs and waterfalls

the east lake where fine too, that place is actualy a nice hunting ground (when there are players around it) and you only need to walk on land for about 10 mins to get to central river systeam

[steep otter]

Man, i hate the state trike is in rn

[maiden temple]

It was absolutely not peak, it took so long to travel through the rivers it was painful for deino, and you had to swim through all the way every single time as there was nothing in between lol
The only things that I miss from spiro have nothing to do with the map itself.

Not to say I love this map, I don't. I feel like it was made for humans and their cars (except for swamps) as priority. It's pretty and has a lot of hides/bushes but feels underwhelming and it def has too many safe drinking spots.
We're severely missing out on underwater caves, tunnels and whatever else could exist to make deinos travel faster between locations

Or maybe draughts and floods that will alter the water sources allowing easier land travel for crocs, who knows what might be added in future

There is definitely enough space under the map, I saw it when I fell through the ground

[hasty coyote]

I just wanted to point out the fact that the third point doesnt work. It falls into a similar issue as all other combat mutations: you either take them or are at a major disadvantage against those who do take them. Especially since you are just giving more options for the same effect, the need to take one of those mutations increases even further.

Also in a similar vein, "trade off" mutations that make you better in some fights and worse in others does even out from the perspective of the player with said mutation, but it does not balance it out from the perspective of other players. In this case, any dino that relies on a quick fight or doesnt deal solid bleed only sees that the mutation user has a major damage buff, which just means they are at a major disadvantage. On the flip side, if the mutation user is dealing with something like raptors, they simply lack the ability to deal with them effectively as they not only bleed more, but can't stay near advantageous terrain. While you may see this as a "trade off" I only see this becoming a game of rock, paper, scissors where you're just hoping that you have the advantage against what you encounter, overall just making the game less fun.

[dawn cipher]

As a beipi enjoyer, +1 to the underwater caves/tunnels/etc. Also please give us water plants -- not just underwater for beipi, but also in shallower waters for land herbis, to encourage riskier movement that rewards aware herbis with nutrients, and careless ones reward deinos with food

The new map update has removed some safe drinking spots like Hashwood Pond and Seabreeze Puddle, forcing shallow water like Pit Pond and the Savannah puddles into open areas where it's much harder to hide from land predators -- which is good! But additional incentives for land dinos (namely herbis) to venture near water of uncertain depth adds interest imo

[haughty grotto]

#balance-feedback message

I usually agree with your stuff but this is highly incorrect.
These mutations, contrary to what you believe, are rarely picked. They make a very minimal difference and they do not win fights because they only increase bite damage not ability damage.
Compared to most other mutations we have, they're pretty weak and not worth picking.

@indigo rain

I think currently the mutation options are pretty balanced and you opportunistically select based on your playstyle. For example some ppl really don't like drinking too much, others hate bleed, others don't wanna sit that long for healing, some love having gastro. Overall I see a wide variety of what people pick, and you'll see this too if you ever nest and see what you get (or if you ask what others have picked).
Speed muts were a plague but they are gone now.

.
Tldr: you are greatly harming yourself by picking combat mutations and losing out on so many other beneficial ones

[maiden temple]

Yees, teno should be able to eat water plants! It swims so well already

[maiden temple]

What about highlands? It used to be my favourite spot, now it looks so much different. Idk where to drink anymore

[haughty grotto]

I think I speak for 90% of the community when I say that the current gateway map is a hundred thousand million times better than spiro

You're obviously speaking from a deino bias standpoint and I agree deino is in a bad place rn but the devs have a rework planned and I'm excited to see how it unfolds

[dawn cipher]

I always avoided highlands like plague so I can't speak on it to be honest xD Highland sanc is a bloodbath usually so I never stick around if I spawn there

[maiden temple]

Fair enough

[warm flax]

@austere plover
it needs to be at the exact location when someone is drinking or crossing, and there is nothing it can do if you spotted him first

It’s like when you’re at the river delta and you hang around one side for about 10 minutes, making a lot of noise to convince the croc that you’re going to drink and cross there. Then you suddenly take a sharp turn, run straight to the other side, and cross the river. The deino would need at least 1–3 minutes to get to that location

[austere plover]

i more just think if a big ass croc is carrying around a 4 ton beast, it shouldnt be able to zoom and move around like usain bolt, it needs atleast a heavy stam drain if its just gonna pull it straight under and zoom to the deepest part

[warm flax]

Im pretty sure the lunging distance right now is bugged

its crazy they can dash like 20meter out from water rn

[viscid mica]

@austere plover ignoring the bugged lunge the counter is not going near water that deinos can easily get too

@uncut trellis #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[hasty coyote]

https://imgur.com/G0RmUV9

yeah this aint intentional

[viscid mica]

@tardy wind stego plates did not serve a defence purpose at all and are incredibly thin, their primary function was to cool their blood the back plates where far more of a vulnerability than anything else

Kentro is a different story by Stego na

[vale brook]

i still think raptors/allos probably shouldnt be able to get on their back though

[viscid mica]

Does stego have mount slots on the direct back?

[vale brook]

yes

[viscid mica]

You can just remove those and leave the side slots

That’s fine as it’s ackward to get there

[vale brook]

side slots work fine, i mean back slots specifically

[viscid mica]

But beyond that there should be no defensive bonus

Technically speaking a stego would bleed out rather fast if a Rex started ripping plates off

[vale brook]

i wouldnt mind the passive of disallowing animals to swap from one side to the other because of the plates getting in the way (alongside removing back pounce slots)

but yah i dont imagine they'd do much for actual defense

[viscid mica]

^

[vale brook]

although i do think stego could potentially have a "plate hitbox" that takes reduced damage (from attacks such as raptors downward kick, herrera pounces, etc)

((im somewhat convinced this was already a thing at some point because PTs used to just harass stegos till they dropped?))

[viscid mica]

Reduced raw but extra bleed 😂

As I said those plates are stuffed full of blood vessels

[slim dragon]

Stego has a plate hitbox that takes 0 damage from any source

Or well, it's supposed to

[hasty coyote]

it does already

[tardy wind]

Well this is a video game and at the very least, a smaller creature shouldn’t be able to gnaw on and pounce on a plate of bone. It doesn’t make sense and it would serve as an interesting function for them

[viscid mica]

I agree stego does not need back mount slots

[royal valve]

@random stump its only galli that spawns at adult speed the others are slow as babies

and while yea it probably shouldnt be that fast galli does very little damage and zero bleed even as adult

[random stump]

@royal valve read the suggestion

[random stump]

@feral hazel #balance-feedback message thats a sub with murder sprint, and you're clearly already heavily injured, which is why the baby could stagger you

[feral hazel]

Wrong.

The black one is a juvie in speed demon phase and I was staggered by it at 100% health. He was doing it multiple times so the white sub can catch up.

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Horrid take, having more members is already rewarding enough

Small groups should always be just as viable, apart from obvious disadvantages

#balance-feedback message
The issue with deino is that is only gets that one chance to get you, all it has is ambush and luck. On top of that there are plenty of safe drinking spots you could have chosen where it's impossible to grab you in the first place..

Once you play for long enough you can avoid pretty much all interactions with deinos and never get grabbed

[random stump]

You very clearly have blood on the sides of the screen indicating you are heavily damaged. Im not blind.

[feral hazel]

Because that's the end of the fight. The small rex staggered me from the beginning of the fight, stopping me on my tracks and I was 1.8-1.9 ton. That Rex was around 500-600kg. It has no business of stopping a 3 times as heavy dinosaur.

[vale brook]

that rex was DEFINITELY not 500-600kg

[feral hazel]

Not talking about the white one.

The black one was 500-600kg, which stopped me in my tracks

Thats why the white sub was able to get to me

[random stump]

Then put a video of that

Because tmk the only animal that can stagger stuff bigger then itself is pachy

[feral hazel]

Okay, I will get up to my test server later and do it. Speed demon Rex can stagger 1.8ton allo. I will make a clear recording of it.

[random stump]

Also that sub was moving way faster than you from the get go and was gonna maul you

[feral hazel]

No, I outplayed it multiple times. All you had to do is go in zig zag between the platforms in swamp.

I did it like 5 times, lil bro always missed the crush

the only reason I died is because the small one was able to stagger me

[random stump]

And yet he was still sprinting after you and catching up

[feral hazel]

Are you being difficult for no reason?

I got staggered by the small rex 3 times during the fight, which let the sub rex catch up multiple times. I wish I had the entire fight recorded though. maybe I have it in recordins folder, imma check later

[shadow vortex]

#balance-feedback message honestly it's just a bit bizarre to me how defensive Trike is forbidden to have even slight fracture damage, and yet a Rex with quite oppressive playstyle with tons of staggers gets a broken leg on your apex just in 2-3 bites. Or maybe I'm wrong and Trike has fracture damage? Never seen though.

[crystal stream]

Anyone else think trike v Rex is a lil unfair for trike maybe im jst bad idk

And that cera needs it size reverted again maybe a skill issue idk

[faint robin]

Rex decimates trike

[steep gazelle]

The fight between Trike and Rex is approximately 80% in favor of Rex

it should be the opposite

[steep gazelle]

Cera still needs some nerfs, he's still too good a hunter

[frosty heron]

Ive fought a really good Trike and it can win against Rex but you gotta be real good and land headshots while fractured

It can do it if you dont know how to be properly spaced , the hitbox is crazy

After knowing that , yeah Rex absolutely wins

[maiden temple]

It's skewed towards rex, you can still win but if you're in the open with nothing to limit how rex can move it's hard, I don't think a good rex would lose. Fighting them around smaller trees where they need to run for longer seems to aid trike's odds though

My trike is only alive because I stick to small trees, but I'm noob on it

[steep otter]

Rex should not deal fracture damage trought trike and dibble face, a headcrush should not break a leg its stupid and makes the whole fight unbalanced

[spiral fern]

It's kind of crazy how they can regress in the development.. these stated fixes in the last patch ain't working. Pounces are crazy broken right now, most of the time you simple just fall off as soon as you touch a normal bush for no reason. If a target is spamming an attack or simply running around a bit.. However actual trees are 50/50 something and some trees that really should knock off ain't doing anything.
Bite on big targets aren't sound-queue registering nor open bleed which means you have to rely on pounces to keep bleed going.. Bleed is also absolutely overtuned.
Fatal errors is still a thing..
Croc launch is still a thing..
Carno RMB immunity to pounce is still a thing..

The thing that noticeably got fixed was the new "old" grass.. thanks most of us actually like it, I guess this was a decent thing but not necessary.
Queue seems to be working now to some degree, we appreciate it.

Maybe they fixed taco AI burrows not being crushed for rexes, but tbh.. who even cares about that?!

wait, just heard from an server admin that queues don't work.. not on officials either 😂
Basically they managed to revert the grass, I'm speechless....

[granite sleet]

@spiral ledge u missing an E so i just put it on the end there

[spiral ledge]

yeah i didnt find it xd

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-ceratosaurus-the-isle-evrima-strasbourg-gif-5973655539315551276

[random stump]

for trex trike to be fair it should be 90% in favor of trike when the rex just walks up to it, and 90% in favor of rex when rex ambushes it, assuming both players are equal in skill

rex isnt giga or acro or any of the other apexes that are actual brawlers, rex has a massive speed boost and padded feet, its clearly an ambush predator and if it doesnt ambush it shouldnt eat

same goes for any other "Im clearly designed to win every facetank with things of my own weightclass" vs "I have a devastating ambush" matchups

[random stump]

im saying if you have a powerful tool and dont use it you shouldnt win

[viscid mica]

@random stump that’s desync

Nothing can really be done about that unless they spent allot of their time fine tuning hit reg and server connection

Which to fine tune enough that, that doesn’t happen would take ages

[gentle island]

hey just an fyi the allo right click is kinda bugged

by kinda i mean broken ish

[thorn mountain]

in what way?

[frosty heron]

Question is , how yall gonna make that happen , we all know that Rex ambushing a Trike just lets you crush + bite combo once for free but thats it

Reduce Rex agility or Buff Trike turning and it gonna turn around and outdamage you pretty much

Considering you need 3 crushes to leg fracture

[waxen skiff]

Hey, could it be that the Omniraptor's RMB attack has been weakened? Because it no longer causes bleed damage since the new patch.

[steep otter]

The main issue is rex crush is bugged and ignoring the frill

Crushes at trike/dibbles head should not stun and should aplie fracture damage to head with the head damage reduction aplied

The way it is RN is just straight up stupid

A rex can just spam crush at your face and break you leg

Not to mention he can out turn trike

[frosty heron]

Yeah I know that and it shouldnt happen but thats not the point

[steep otter]

Needs to be fixed has well tought

[frosty heron]

Problem is that people is suggesting stuff and maybe not looking over it closely , if Trike outturns Rex in a future , with the current data , whats the point of getting an ambush as i mentioned

[steep otter]

Thats why i said the main issue is not the turn, its more the frill not working has i should

Also rex should be worse at spar them trike

[faint robin]

Problem is not only the front armor bug, but rex stunning/fracturing (disabling)/outturning trike w no effort and trike not being able to properly stun rex/face it +spar ruins the fight for trike
Whats the point of head armor if you can't face your opponent

[pseudo ember]

Even if we nerf Rex agility it’s still to ez to kill a trike because of how bad its agility is Trike is the one that needs buffs Rex is in a fine spot but has some major bugs in sparring and stuff

[pseudo ember]

Trike is so bad

[steep otter]

Yeah, rex makes trike and Dibble kit not work at all lmao stego can fight rexes much better even with broken leg/body

[steep gazelle]

It's the opposite. Trike agility is good and doesn't need buffs, But Rex's agility is so high that it makes it seem like the Trike need

The one who really needs a change is Rex

Rex currently only beats Trike so easily mainly because of its agility

[pseudo ember]

true because it has to get behind the trike but trikes agility is rly bad in spar and its alt attacks have way too much endlag on them

[pseudo ember]

Trike really needs changes

[steep gazelle]

The trike is completely fine, the only thing to do would be to add the standing flip back

[pseudo ember]

true but even if we nerf rex aglity it can still easily go behind trike back because of its speed and get 2 crushes in trike cant turn fast at all

[steep gazelle]

Rex won't get it that easily. With this nerf to agility, a good trike would always have the Rex in front of it

[pseudo ember]

it just wont be able to even with rex speed + ambush

[winged prism]

@twilit haven omni has bleed and dmg pounce what are strong they prob werent useing them (hold left click while on is dmg right click bleed) it should have killed you but they werent smart

[twilit haven]

yeah thats a good point and I have no way of knowing if they were experienced or first time users maybe if it was skilled Omni players I would have seen more damage. it just sometimes feels like they can be punished very easily but also Allo might have been a bad example since Allo Pin is very strong and easy to use right now. I have seen 2 omnis do a lot of damage using hit and run tactics so maybe the ones I saw were being impatient and greedy

[winged prism]

2 good omnis doing bleed pounce can kill an allo also dmg pounce for them is bad if the target is over 2 tons and allo is a very good example just like dibble but they very rare now

[twilit haven]

Thats crazy to think about but yeah bleed is one of the most powerful mechanics in the game right now so the more I think about it the more it seems like they were just not being patient enough to apply the bleed stacks properly. and with my luck as an omni most packs of 7 or 8 I have ever been in get absolutely wrecked by 2 carnos or 2 ceras ( before rex and allo came in ) so it just always feels like a losing battle. It honestly sounds like with Omni hunting, quality of skill and experience beats quantity.

[winged prism]

I was as allo with my friends (3 of us) when it was ht had around 11 omnis coming at us and just runing into you and pounceing reason why they all died a lot of players dont know how to ply omni they werent even doing the correct pounce and we were all sub when they were adults they could have just bit us to death but they didnt (anyways my point is omni dosent need a buff or a nerf its quite skill based and very good right now cuz rexes cant eat u also trikes get destroyd by rexes and everything what they can catch but they cant catch omnis) but im gona go to sleep now so gn

[twilit haven]

Yeah fair enough I did not consider that thank you GN

[steep gazelle]

Omni (solo) can now deal 5k damage with Damage Pounce and over 5k bleed with Bleed Pounce, Two Omnis can kill a Rex pretty easily now (if no bugs occur)

Omni is very strong now

[twilit haven]

Got it so its a classic case of "git gud" XD I guess I keep lucking out and running into inexperienced or impatient omnis

[viscid mica]

Tbf omni is also one of the harder Dino’s to learn as desync affect it a lot more than anything else due to the function of its ability and it not being tiny like troo

[winged prism]

@slim dragon what makes u think that it isent fair?

[timid chasm]

*isn't

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

why would you want carno, the small game hunter, to be worse at hunting omnis but better at hunting cera

thats like, the opposite of its job

[somber imp]

that makes no sense

[slim dragon]

There is no reason to make carno bigger

[somber imp]

it wouldnt change the game rn it would just make more sense . nobody said that carno would be stronger than cera ( it already is

[winged prism]

more realistic in size, and it is makeing it worse when fighting cera

[somber imp]

carno would have weaker attacks but would be bigger . you anyways can bleed carno out

[slim dragon]

That fix is doing exactly the opposite of what fix is needed by making it harder for carno to kill omni and easier to kill cera

[winged prism]

cera dosen't stand a chance against carno right now

[somber imp]

it doesnt what

[winged prism]

it would make it that it could

[slim dragon]

Just nerf the standing headbutt

[winged prism]

so ur saying that cera should be better everyway other than speed

[gloomy kernel]

Nobody is saying that carno can kill cera more easily by increasing its size, its simply a matter of realism.

[mint star]

realism sucks

[winged prism]

you suck

[gloomy kernel]

sure, lol

[mint star]

nothing in this game is realistic

[slim dragon]

Cera should be better in a fight obviously

Since it's slower

[somber imp]

bigger carno would be cooler and it wouldnt look so stupid when he stuns big game as now

[timid chasm]

i thought that the isle is a simulation game of a dino life. Therefore some realism is necessary

[slim dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[somber imp]

yes.

[slim dragon]

It's not

[mint star]

its immersive

it immerses you into the universe

there is no realism in this game besides needing to drink water and eat food

[winged prism]

yeah thats what im saying its a buff for cera while not impacting carnos ability a lot

[mint star]

we have a lizard that dropkicks people and a funny raptor™ that isnt a real animal

[dusky surge]

and shadow clone dilo

[mint star]

schizophrenia inducing dilophosaurus is truly the funniest of ideas

[dusky surge]

and the duck/penguin/dolphin beipi that was realistically like over 20x the size it is in game

and scorpion stego

[deft blaze]

Troodon

[dusky surge]

and whatever spino is

[deft blaze]

wanted to feel included

[somber imp]

its just giving you a chance to fight off venom . so its not just that you stand and die from venom

interactive gameplay

[mint star]

yeah i understand its the victim's brain attempting to reason why its getting attacked/harmed and stuff

but its just funny to me

[somber imp]

id remove ceratos puke ability cuz thats just otherworldly and give him something like infection . youd never puke from getting bacteria from rotten meat into your bloodstream

[somber imp]

yea. i like that

[somber imp]

its from the idea that comodo dragon is killing with bacteria cuz ate rotten meat . thats 30 year old study which was proven wrong and comodo simply has venom c:

[mint star]

i am glad you are aware of the komodo dragon venom

i was afraid things would get rather..........lizardy.........

[slim dragon]

I agree puke is kinda stupid

I hope it'll get reworked once we get a disease system into something more fun

[somber imp]

komodo * my bad i thought its c

[mint star]

what about manually vomiting

[somber imp]

bacteria from corpse are in rotten corpse cuz they cant survive in the body thats living .

[mint star]

the scavenger vomits his guts up on a chunk of food to make it rot faster

[slim dragon]

Fits the animal

[slim dragon]

Unless said animal has adapted buccal environment to keep said bacteria alive

But I would love if instead of that, cera had a super high disease resistance and the ability to collect diseases from everything it eats, then inflict them on whatever it bites

[somber imp]

there is no animal that can keep dead bacteria from corpse alive in his mouth . cerato if scavanger he would have cleaner mouth than all of you cuz his mouth protects himself from the crap he eats

[somber imp]

nonsense

[slim dragon]

Why ?

[somber imp]

cuz world doesnt work like that

[slim dragon]

60% Europe's population in the middle ages disagree with you

[somber imp]

okay

then 60% of population should start learning biology

[slim dragon]

I'm talking about the people who died from the plague
Which was carried (not only but a lot) by rats

That's literally how diseases are transmitted

[somber imp]

but sure then we can use the " its dinosaurs they maybe did something else then rn" sure

[somber imp]

oh i thought we still talking about

keeping bacteria in the mouth

nvm my bad

[solemn thunder]

@gloomy kernel where did you get a 1.5 ton cera

[somber imp]

google

[solemn thunder]

UMNH 5278 has a max estimated weight of around 1250 kg and im 99% sure its nasicornis not dentisulcatus

[somber imp]

you can find more carno subs that are much bigger than 1.5 tons

[solemn thunder]

subs?

we only ever found 1 carnotaurus specimen

[somber imp]

OHH

we talking cera

[somber imp]

i was on about carno

[solemn thunder]

bruh

[somber imp]

yea cera was tiny in game its too big

[solemn thunder]

also theres no way in hell carno is 2.1 tons

[solemn thunder]

average c. nasicornis would have been around 700kg

UMNH 5278 is just a disgustingly big specimen

[somber imp]

yep

[steep gazelle]

has every chance of weighing that much, Just look at the other Abelisaurids

[solemn thunder]

i feel like 2.1 tons is a bit too much thats literally heavier than an average allosaurus

[steep gazelle]

Pycno weight 3.5t

[solemn thunder]

we are talking about carno here

[steep gazelle]

Yes, they are both from the same family

[solemn thunder]

i know

[steep gazelle]

Great

[maiden temple]

Carno's size fits its niche well imo, I don't think it's reasonable to pump it to 2 tons

Especially if it is to keep its demonic speed (and instant charge and headbang attack)

[finite shadow]

@coarse blaze you couldve just ran away from the allo

[viscid mica]

@pastel quiver you will only ever get pinned by 2 80%omnis if you’re above 1500 if you’re low bleed or extremely low stam

[winged prism]

@pastel quiver did i mean to say kg instead of lb there cuz 80% omni is around 600kg=1322lb so 2 of them will pin an 1,500lb dino

[pastel quiver]

I had no bleed, and half stam

[pastel quiver]

Yeah KG apologies

[winged prism]

Well that is kinda the issue

[winged prism]

Maybe change it to kg there to avoid confusion

[pastel quiver]

Did they increase Omni’s weight? I haven’t played Omni in a while but last I saw I thought they only weight 450kg FG?

[maiden temple]

390 adult but elder gets really big

[winged prism]

We have primes now and peak prime is 660kg

[pastel quiver]

Yeah they weren’t elder, their patterns weren’t even fully formed so I guessed about 80% grown

[viscid mica]

They actually reduced it

[winged prism]

75% is adult

[viscid mica]

FG omni is 380 prime is what 480? 520?

[maiden temple]

87% is peak elder, where you're at your strongest

[pastel quiver]

They changed how it works?? I didn’t realize, I haven’t played in a while

[winged prism]

660kg i belive

[viscid mica]

No the reduced it

[maiden temple]

ohhh, already?

[winged prism]

Ok they nerfed it then

[maiden temple]

that didn't last long at all

[pastel quiver]

I thought you would reach 100% and then elder would just keep growing, I didn’t realize they changed how the bar displays growth :< it’s been a hot minute, thanks guys!

[winged prism]

Yeah also there is a bunch of stuff u need to do to get prime

[maiden temple]

Yeah it gets a bit more confusing now, 50% is still sub, adult is 75%, you reach your absolute peak at 87% and then you're slowly aging and getting weaker

[winged prism]

🤓 its 88%

[maiden temple]

Eh close enough, some say 87.5 and I'm fine accepting 87

Prime elder conditions (need to meet 5 before reaching 75% growth):
Hypsi, troodon, dryo and beipi need to meet 4

• Hatch from an egg,
• Visit a sanctuary,
• Achieve perfect diet,
• Visit mass migration zone,
• Visit 2 migration zones,
• Visit 4 patrol zones,
• Never infertile,
• Never muscle spasms,
• Raise a child to sub adult

These are all I can remember, it's always worth getting prime because the stat fall off isn't nearly as bad as frail

[winged prism]

Also getting ur children to sub is pritty much impossible

[maiden temple]

Ikr???

[winged prism]

Should be like 35% max

[maiden temple]

I wonder if it counts in the next life, I wanted to test this but since mating partner gets un-mated the baby bond is probably also severed ;_;

[winged prism]

Do the pz and mz have to be active some say yes some no

[maiden temple]

I managed to get prime staying in inactive spots, but we can't really know without seeing the checklist. Maybe it was these specific spots, maybe I stayed in them long enough, who knows

[winged prism]

Ik its 10s to be in them

[maiden temple]

Same with deinos entering sanctuaries, apparently for some people it just didn't register even though they entered 🙁

This is one of the things that just needs an indicator, not necessarily text, it could be audible or just.. anything xD

A dot on your life stage bar, anything

[pastel quiver]

Ohhhh I see… yeah that’s confusing but that makes sense

[winged prism]

Yep smt would be good me and my friends have kinda a strat to get it we do it early when we have inf stam then let 1 get 10% ahead and just let him test it (we all go to same spots) if he dosent get it we all start panicing and running

[maiden temple]

hahaha, that's clip worthy

[winged prism]

Also forgot after we get killed by rexes and we ragequit

Usualy when we are 80% as any dino

[maiden temple]

I've been camping dense forest spots on my trike, getting close to entomb. I'm so scared of seeing rexes

[winged prism]

Btw dont ply trike right now ur survival is pure luck cuz as trike u find noob rexes u survive bu u find 1 good player ur dead i found it out the hard way 3 80% prime trikes got destroyd by 2 full prime rexes we were against a lake to

Well 1 of us is a BIT bad at the game

[maiden temple]

Yeah it's why I camp the forests, it limits their ability to move around me and some thin trees block damage completely. I'm noob on trike, so it's mostly hiding + luck for me anyway.
I don't mind it, just don't wanna die before I'm reborn out of pure excitement, first trike!

I doubt I could take a decent rex at all, but at least I'd gain some experience

[winged prism]

Offical or unoffical? Also if u want we could do deathmatch and help u ply as trike

[maiden temple]

Official, I'm not into unofficials at all because of global chat and ticket systems. I'll def find a place to spar eventually, for now I'm learning basics

[winged prism]

Ok just saying more noobs are on offical also if u dont support mixpacking unofficls are great

[maiden temple]

I rarely encounter mixpacks tbf, I play mostly solo or a family if I get nested 😄

[pastel quiver]

I encounter more mix packs on unofficial highkey 💔

[winged prism]

I ply on ones where its banned still seen some all with rexes ofc

[pastel quiver]

I play on a few that have it “banned” as well, but I still find Rex’s, allos, and stegos all mixpacking unfortunately

[winged prism]

I encounter them always but i mostly die to them

[pastel quiver]

I’ve never died to them (for now thankfully) since I avoid them, but it sucks when it happens

[winged prism]

I f2 record and report them and after a bit they have disapeard

[maiden temple]

It's absolutely stinky and should always be frowned upon v.v

[winged prism]

I ply stuff that cant run much like trike/stego

[pastel quiver]

That’s valid. I don’t usually join discords but I do record my sessions 90% of the time- forgot to once yesterday which irked me because my gf and I got into an insane battle with a Rex and won as two allos, but alas I forgot to hit record smh lol

[pastel quiver]

Facts

[pastel quiver]

Ohh gotcha, I mainly play carno, cera and allo now. But I’ve played everything on the roster at least 3 times

Minus Rex

[winged prism]

It is cuz u cant do anything about it also learned most of mixpackers are american (all americans i have found mixpack)

[pastel quiver]

That’s interesting, I’m American and hate Mixpackers lmao, it absolutely sucks. I hate seeing when stegos and allos/rex’s mix pack- like 😭🙏

[winged prism]

Ok now its 95% of americans thx

[pastel quiver]

Gotchu 🙏

I think the most interesting mixpacker situation I saw was a Deino and Rex, I was like “but why 💔”, and then one time I was ptera just flying around and saw omnis bringing a salt deino food

[winged prism]

I was 6 ton trike then found 2 prime allos who are 3.7 tons each 2 adult rexes around 9 tons and then another 6 ton trike mixpack i killed 1 allo 1 ran out of stam the 2 rexes had around 10% hp left then there was me with body and leg fracture while haveing 20% hp then got killed by the trike (rexes were stupid and face tanked me didnt push or pin me)

[pastel quiver]

That’s wild, I couldn’t imagine being in that situation. I try to avoid Mixpackers or pvp where I’m outnumbered, since I usually play solo/with my gf only. Yesterday I was playing Allo and me and my gf took down a ~40-50% Rex, she was about 50% and I was 80% allo, very long fight and I had a body fracture and almost died- highkey would’ve if I didn’t have the mutation that takes less damage from fighting larger species. Wish I had it on recording

[winged prism]

Lucky as trike u can only run from deino if hes on land also sub rex isent very strong hes mostly speed but still strong

[pastel quiver]

I had gotten 3rd screen, ran out stam and full body fracture but still stayed in the fight and we won from bleeding him out, he had his back to ocean in west access. How strong is Rex? I’m not sure how grow. He actually was, he was about twice my size as FG Allo

[somber imp]

It is 660 rn

[winged prism]

So the growth is very uneven when like 35% ur 200kg (u start as 50kg takes like 1h to) then u get very fast faster than carno around 55%-60% u start gaining a lot of weight and lose speed like 800kg a growth tick he was prob 55% also when rex was still ht i was full prime allo who got kilked by a rex smaller faster and more tanky model was probably smaller than should have

[somber imp]

At least it's not like legacy . There xou went from 650 kg juvi to 250 kg adult xddd

[winged prism]

Also a good rex player can kinda solo a whole server

[somber imp]

While you were 3 times the size

Let's remove rex from the game

Or make it super rare to get

[winged prism]

At least it wasen't a god

[somber imp]

There will never be anything that can fight it and everyone only play rex so it's only gonna get buffed cuz bad players play it

[winged prism]

Super rare would be better if it gets fixed trike needs an enemy but cuz its that op trike is just a big susage

[somber imp]

Trike can be killed with many carnivorss

[twilit haven]

Hypsilophodon can solo rex ez

[somber imp]

Rex can't

[winged prism]

Rex can't hit it

To short

[somber imp]

You can kill trike with ceras dilos omnis allos etc
Rex ? No-

[twilit haven]

Yeah just blind until player rage quits or breaks PC you are attacking the player

[winged prism]

Fair enough

[winged prism]

Thats all u can do

[somber imp]

You can safelog . Hypsi can't hit rex

[pastel quiver]

Ohhhh that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for explaining!

[winged prism]

Ik only cuz i grew rex once to 55% then killed myself cuz it was to boring

[somber imp]

Remove it from there then

[pastel quiver]

That’s honestly valid. The longest I grew Rex was for 5 minutes because I couldn’t stay alive by myself 💀

I kept spawning in swamp and had no AI and then would get picked off

So I gave up lmao

[somber imp]

I put there remove rex and it got removed yd

[twilit haven]

What do you guys think about a parry mechanic in the game ? Specifically for dinos within a certain % of weight

[winged prism]

How did we get from omnis to mixpacks and then rexes

[pastel quiver]

Lmao

[twilit haven]

Or if both dinos attack at the same time there is collision or deflect mechanic kinda like you see in mordhau or chivalry

[winged prism]

Also we kept it up over 1h

[pastel quiver]

I’m at work too so I’m just messaging when I can haha

[winged prism]

Im in bed

[somber imp]

This is balance feedback guys

[pastel quiver]

Valid

And okay sorry we’ll move it

[winged prism]

Dm?

[somber imp]

Idm

Just funny

[pastel quiver]

Sure

[winged prism]

Yep

[somber imp]

It got removed

Again

You can't ask rex to be hard to get or removed

Xddddd

[coarse blaze]

The reason I was stationary was I lacked stamina, the argument wasn't about what I could or couldn't have done differently.

It's that I was hit maybe 5 times and bled out despite not moving and having bleed resistance.

This is purely a numbers issue that I have

[finite shadow]

maia has no natural bleed resistance due to being one of the fastest animals in the game, its a really poor matchup to stand and fight against an allo and shouldnt be the basis of a nerf to its bleed when there are other matchups allo has that it needs the bleed for

[coarse blaze]

If I had been hit many times, sure but I wasn't. You're not supposed to bleed heavily when standing still.

[finite shadow]

maia is paper allo is scissors matchup, just dont take it

also not even mentioning that maia legit stomps allo with damage and cc

[coarse blaze]

This has literally nothing to do with that, it's that I bled out due to 5-6 hits as a prime Maia with bleed resistance whilst standing still. You're not supposed to bleed heavily when standing still, it's always been that way since Legacy.

Omni, the bleed king, doesn't even do that to things its own size and smaller. I wasn't pounced to death, I was left clicked less than 10 times.

They're many, many other players who've complained about the bleed and I assure you there's good reason for it.

[finite shadow]

It has everything to do with it? Ofc your animal extremely weak to bleed is going to bleed out really quick lol and i wouldnt use legacy as a comparison as its clear the combat systems are quite different, allo is not bleeding out a dibble in 5-6 hits for a better example. I would also not consider omni the bleed king when allos entire kit revolves around it and it only supplements omnis kit

[golden tapir]

@edgy cliff are you hearing yourself

[steep gazelle]

You were lucky then, Maia Bleedout with just 2 claw attacks

[edgy cliff]

whats wrong with my statement

[golden tapir]

It doesn’t make sense

[edgy cliff]

how

when a rex uses ambush theyre able to keep up with a 100% prime omni

why is a 10 ton dino able to run the same speed as a 660kg dino? they needa fix that

i shouldn’t be able to get chased down and caught by a 10 ton rex as a omni, which should be a very fast predator, near carno speeds

[maiden temple]

Jump on a rock, what is it gonna do? Grow wings?

[edgy cliff]

obvious answer🤦‍♂️

[maiden temple]

yeah, obvious thing to do

[edgy cliff]

as someone whose scared

ofc youll hide on that rock

[maiden temple]

What else are you gonna do, fight it? lol

I also don't think your math is right :x

[edgy cliff]

how? math? what nonsense. why not fight a rex, as I said your scared too.

im not asking for a burst of increase in speed buff for a raptor. but not being able to out run a rex ambushing you as a omni isnt right

[maiden temple]

Yes, math, what you said doesn't sound true. Raptor stays pretty fast even fully eldered, what speeds do you think rex reaches?

[edgy cliff]

do yk how fast a prime rex runs when it ambushes

[maiden temple]

Ofc

Was your raptor frail? This could explain

[edgy cliff]

how fast?

[cosmic pelican]

40,44km/h, very nasty

[edgy cliff]

prime
omni speed is near 46?

[cosmic pelican]

A sub rex can catch up to an omni in ambush

[maiden temple]

Subs are nasty

[edgy cliff]

subs are 100% the worst thing to come across, 57km rex is my biggest fear