balance-feedback-discussion

[alpine sleet]

i dont know, i never use alt bite as a trike against another apex because it leaves you locked in place, ill try it

[open robin]

i mean it also 180's you. so you're facing the right direction, yea they can bait it out but it's the same as any normal attack

[alpine sleet]

its literally a death sentence, leaves them enough time to get behind you and land a crush, even if you hit them and time it correctly

[open robin]

what server is this on?

[alpine sleet]

i play on sucopvp, and primal deatchmatch when its offline

[open robin]

is it instant growth prime?

[alpine sleet]

suco pvp isnt, you ask for admin in their discord and can use all the cheats, deatchmatch is, but you have to type !savanna in the chat

that teleports you to a free for all zone where you get full prime

[haughty grotto]

@loud marten
I just hate that when you get knocked down by a herbi or carno or pounced by herra or grabbed by deino (all of them pretty much oneshot) absolutely nothing you can do but watch as hours of growth in flushed down the drain it very frustrating not even having a tiny bit bit of a chance to fight back or break free i dont know if thats just me or if other people felt that way about these mechanics

How does this sound to you?
Stop discriminating against pin and learn situational awareness

[limber delta]

'rex is hard to grow' the not fully grown rexes in question:

actual joke. apex my ahh that's just a big cera

[spiral fern]

Hotfix the immunity carnos get against pounce while holding RMB

Since it can be hold 24/7, also carno bonk cost 0 stamina..

[steep otter]

Cerato 2.0

[frail imp]

@hidden kettle Imo with cera everything is fine apart from how vomit works.
I think it is stupid that with 1 bite you will Probably vomit, and then you get stunned ontop of me being sick causing me debuffs.
Imo that Is way to much and the right course of action is either removing the Vomit stun or the bile goes up by 25% each bite.

[hidden kettle]

ye i get that.
could be slower applied tbh+

[frail imp]

Wdym Slower?

[hidden kettle]

even better would be a time frame to apply sicness
like if you got bitten once or twice it will slowly go up to a certain point so you have time to avid sicness by go out of that fight fo salt for example

[frail imp]

I don't think it should go up the more time that passes but it just going up by 25% each bite or starting at 15% then just doubling it each bite seems fine to me

Aslo another thing with cera is that it is good in every single Enviorment.

Great swimmer, great stam control, ai everywhere so body buffs are easy to get.

AI should not count as a bb because it's so rare to find a cera in the right conditions.

the amount of things it can do are just crazy for one playable Imo

• Body buff
• Sickness Debuff
• Vomit stun
• Great swimmer
• Manual Vomit
• charge bite with no negatives making using it's other attacks pointless
• ammume to sickness
• able to eat bones
• strong as juvie
• able to eat rotten turtles counting as // or Y

[viscid mica]

@deft copper Herrera can effectively 1 tap carnos ceras and teno with headshots the reason they are slow is cuz they climb they don’t need more speed the players just need to use its neiche CLIMBING

[loud marten]

How am i discriminating againts pin i just said i wish we had a chance to break out or fight back i said nothing about wanting to get rid of it Sorry that i think pin shouldnt be so easy to use with no skill to it

[haughty grotto]

I wish I had the chance to come back to life as well after a trike thrash oneshots me

It's so easy to use
They click a button and the dino on front of them dies

[loud marten]

OK?????

[haughty grotto]

im trying to mimic how you sound when you complain about pin

every single ability in this game is strong
thats the point of differentiating evrima from legacy
it secures kills and has consequences

[fallen niche]

Since we cant bite in air on pteranodon unless we Z but you do that on a target that can jump is a death sentence, i think pteranodon should be albe to grab smaller dinos/baby dinos mid air, like a fly by

even eggs

[steep gazelle]

Herrera can no longer do that, and he can never do that to Teno and Cera

Only Carno died with just one attack due to its weakness to bleeding

Well, Herrera weighs less than 200kg, so even if he can climb, that's no reason for him to be slower on land than someone weighing over 1.8 tons (Except for a few that should be faster, like Carno)

[viscid mica]

Hahahaha you don’t know how much prime Herrera weighs yet eh

He a big boy and his fall damage is stonk

If your gonna compare it to prime atleast use its prime value

[maiden temple]

It should be able to steal eggs and snatch hatchlings

It would be hilarious

[vale brook]

it can, it auto grabs things small enough to kill with one shot and carry (i.e most hatchlings)

[maiden temple]

Can climb, dive and has the power of invisibility if you run into foliage, especially if you run camo. It can get away even if it's slow

[vale brook]

i did it when i pecked a fresh spawn herrera out of a river

coolest pt moment i've had

[maiden temple]

That's not what I mean, in that case even stego can grab lol
Being able to actually fly someone's baby high up and make them watch it fall would be absolute cinema

[vale brook]

that's more quetz's thing

for like, anything smaller than it

[maiden temple]

If I'm still alive when it drops that'd be great

[fallen niche]

Yeah that would be a game changer

[fallen niche]

oh, i didnt know that

[vital valley]

#balance-feedback message

Bro is a certified cera hater, gotta love it

But aside from that... What? Yeah I agree cera should be more of a scavenger and less of a hunter but gutting it's weight doesn't change it's playstyle, it just kills it

[dusky surge]

"cera is a scavenger", conviently forgetting it's also a corpse bully that brawls things away from kills

if its consistently bullying you and chasing you away from kills, yea, its achieving its job

[vital valley]

Cera should be a point defense specialist aka nearly untouchable near corpses

Kinda like a flock of vulchers forcing away predators from their kills

But it should be relatively limited to that and work around it

I still thing it should get an even bigger body buff, lose top speed and get drastically more food from bones

https://tenor.com/view/bearded-vulture-bone-gif-8112746700887389160

Atm it's a very proficient generalist carnivore that just so happens to defend it's kills really well

[limber delta]

Cera should be stun immune with corpse buff but with less damage when it doesn’t have the buff

Really emphasize the scav bully playstyle

[vital valley]

🙂‍↕️

[steep gazelle]

Ah, you're talking about Prime. Well, I don't know the exact weight, but Herrera weighs less Less than 400kg probably, So the argument is the same

[viscid mica]

its the damage based weight for its falling attack

and you mentioned prime weights

[deft copper]

Herrera is pounce and retreat animal. Plus it oneshots dilos at max into the head im pretty sure, only oneshots ceras and carnos if theyre stupid enough to keep running after the bleed gain. 41km/h is enough to outrun a cera and teno, which id say is enough, as raptors, carnos, and things like that can chase after it easily. If I pounce a carno/cera, carno can just catch up to me, or just like cera can wait for another pounce and then coordinate a bite, its not that hard.

[viscid mica]

You can 1 tap body shot dilos

Gain they can climb they don’t need to be faster that’s a ton of mobility

[deft copper]

41 speed is not a ton of mobilty but is fair enough

so you can at least outrun a cera

thats not much speed

I think even pachy is faster than that

[viscid mica]

ah but thats where I disagree you shouldnt outrun teno and cera

if you pick to be on the ground near them its a choice

if you pick to attack them its a choice

you pick to be in that position

[deft copper]

that just makes it extremely easy for the tenos and ceras to fight back

[viscid mica]

there are only a handful of spots on the map where there isnt something to climb

[viscid mica]

nope! herrera jumps very high

you can easily dodge bites

[deft copper]

have you ever tried escaping a cera with jump?

[viscid mica]

yes many times

and it works 95% of the time

[deft copper]

because back then herrera was faster

[viscid mica]

so long as im not way out in the open and got a tree or something to climb

[viscid mica]

played herrera last week

[deft copper]

i still believe herrera should be at least a tiny bit faster than those midtiers

they dont get oneshot by herrera

so if they get pounced, they can just fight it or evade it

[viscid mica]

headshots my freind headshots do wounders

[deft copper]

i headshot ceras and tenos many times as herrera, took like 3 or so jumps on the head to fully kill the target

and from max height too

[viscid mica]

on officials?

[deft copper]

yea

[viscid mica]

cuz that don't sound right if you fg and they fg you should 2 shot them and or 1 with like 3 bites to bleed out

if you prime and they prime same deal

but if they prime and you not than I can see that

[deft copper]

100% prime has less dmg and more hp I dont think thats the same deal for either parties

[viscid mica]

im talking peak prime

[deft copper]

almost in every instance besides deino

[deft copper]

peak prime lasts only a while doesnt it?

[viscid mica]

it do but if we gonna compare we must compare fairly at the same %

thus i ususally ignore the intrestingly balanced prime stats and use base FG

[deft copper]

well, from my suggestion I want prime elder herrera at 100% to be faster than the fastest version of cera, the 75%

[viscid mica]

would be very op

herrera does one of the highest bleed damages in the game a skilled herrera could easily follow you around and get its pounces off

itd be impossible to escape

[deft copper]

well, not much, considering 75% cera runs 40,3km/h and what I want is herrera at prime to run 41km/h

if a cera cant catch a herrera after a second pounce, then thats its problem

evading with jumps is possible, but not that much considering the desync we get....

41km/h is only a slight difference from teno's and cera's speed, and can only outspeed them by a little.

[viscid mica]

no matter what herrera being faster is very strong it can absolutely destroy a good chunk of the roaster with its bleed with it being fast on land and can climb it would be extremely strong like first release herrera

[deft copper]

Cera doesnt even get oneshot. If you wait or just simply move away, you will evade the second deadly pounce entirely.

1. I am a cera, I get pounced, I move around a little, sometimes sit to gauge the herrera, then wait for it to jump again, and then get to the herrera in a way to bite it again
2. I am a cera, I get pounced, I just move away and sit somewhere. I would have bad luck if the herrera manages to sniff me out.

Now if I were a cera and herrera is well, as slow as right now, then ill be able to turn it into shreds before it even reaches the tree.

[viscid mica]

its not just about cera

its about everything else that would be slower

[deft copper]

theres nothing much within the 37,7-41km/h speed range

anything thats slower anyway absolutely shreds a herrera if a shot is well made

diablo weighs 3 tons, and can deal with herrera absolutely easily (which isnt wrong), and takes many many pounces by herrera to die

[viscid mica]

the reason its slow is to stump its kill power not its survivability

[deft copper]

Herrera either oneshots (to the head) things that can outrun it, and doesnt oneshot (to the head) things that are slower.

Aiming a headshot is already hard enough unless the target is sitting

besides some exceptions obviously like hypsi/beipi, which got their ways of surviving

[viscid mica]

but if its fast it can keep getting hits and getting away and cycling because cera cant catch it and it can climb

same with teno

and allo

[deft copper]

cera can very well catch it if it knows what its doing despite the herrera being faster

it was already quite balanced during main game

[viscid mica]

brudda what

[deft copper]

by positioning, not outrunning

[viscid mica]

no thats exactly why its slower so it can punish bad plays

[viscid mica]

and in that same regard it can avoid herrera

[deft copper]

how do you jump over such hitbox

I have been testing with my friend before

[viscid mica]

you gotta jump earlier

[deft copper]

cera bite still hits my feet

[viscid mica]

not if your at the apex

and you turn abunch or like stay near trees

[deft copper]

45km/h was quite unfair, I have to say

but 41km/h isnt bad

[viscid mica]

still to strong

[deft copper]

it just makes bad cera players have it easy

[viscid mica]

id say the opposite it rewards herrera for being in bad places they shouldn't

[deft copper]

so youre saying its good it wont pounce on ceras no more?

[viscid mica]

no it wont pounce in places where it cant get back up into something

[deft copper]

i guess

[deft copper]

I dont want to keep on wasting your time with arguing over this tiny thing, but I just remembered, what about allo? It runs at 39km/h if I remember, and the pounce hitbox is huge not even the jump can do anything.

[viscid mica]

Allo is one that admittedly you shouldn’t be pouncing unless your really brave

And have to play it very smart

It’s a “climb in tree stay in tree” type deal

Like dibble you theoretically CANNN kill it

Doesn’t mean it’s easy

[deft copper]

Fair enough, not gonna waste your time no more 👍

[viscid mica]

Na dw it’s not a waste

[deft copper]

at least there wont be a billion herreras now everywhere

[viscid mica]

I mean the more that the bigger rosters come out the less people that are gonna play that stuff

Hers are still plenty strong and can do quite a lot. You just have to play them very smart and not put yourself in bad positions on the map

Highlands used to be really good for them, but after they removed all the tall trees, it’s no good

Nowadays, you’re better off lurking around Delta

[deft copper]

oh well

there will be some sord of way 👍

[viscid mica]

They kinda nuked the good Herrera spots

[viscid mica]

Of course honestly Herrera is fine the roaster is just getting bigger and out of Herrera kill range

[wanton current]

@analog zodiac honestly sand, atp they should remove rex's ability to stun with holding RMB if they're bone broken.

but that's just me!

[faint robin]

https://youtu.be/bNcvsRBYjJw?si=P0XQ6e2wLwpF0hZu more rex dogging trike stuff, fracture does indeed fully work on headshots on trike

[golden coral]

@peak ore What do you suggest, then? In what way does stego need a nerf and what playables are struggling more than they should with it?

[peak ore]

Its attack speed should be more sustained, and the stamina reduction should occur when it raises its tail. This would make Stegos players think twice.

[dusky surge]

think twice about what lol

defending themselves?

[uncut trellis]

Rex players should just think twice before trying to facetank a stego

[dusky surge]

LMAO

true tho

[peak ore]

Not everything is about rex, there's allosaurus, it takes just as long to grow and the stego kills it easily regardless of your skill as a player, stego was buffed for 5 years and nobody ever said anything.

[dusky surge]

"it takes just as long to grow"

as what? stego? rex? because neither of those are true lmao

allo is much faster to grow than both

[uncut trellis]

You’re telling me allo takes just as much time as stego to grow?? Last I checked it was about 5-6 hrs just to get Stego to adult correct me if I’m wrong. Haven’t grown an Allo but is it what, 2-3hrs?

[peak ore]

If you want the Rex to have a 1 vs 1, suggest to the devs that they give it the same growth time as Trike and Rex.

[dusky surge]

i can live with that

buff its weight too to match the growth, why not

[uncut trellis]

Stego is smaller than both, and therefore squishier, pretty sure that’s why its growtime is shorter. Growth usually scales with weight

[peak ore]

Allosaurus with a good diet: 3:30 at 75 growth, in total 5 hours at 88 of its peak

[uncut trellis]

It already gets over 9000kg max, it’s plenty heavy

[dusky surge]

as prime, sure

[peak ore]

You should already be doing it so that there is a fair balance for everyone.

[dusky surge]

what?

if i could make stego heavier and longer to grow rn i would but im not a dev lol

[peak ore]

Aren't you paying attention?! Suggest to the developers that they increase the Stego's growth time or nerf its attack speed.

[dusky surge]

why do i have to do it lol

[peak ore]

The stegosaurus is putting up more of a fight against the rex than the trike itself; it's absurd.

[dusky surge]

i'd argue that's because trike's too weak against rex tbh, not that stego's too strong

trike is remarkably easy for a rex to dispatch with rex's speed and agility being as it is, not to mention fractures entirely disabling most of trike's chances

[peak ore]

The Stego is too strong for what it should be; currently only the Rex can kill it, and even then with difficulty and half the effort it takes to grow it.

[dusky surge]

an allo pack can also take it down if they're competent and actually coordinate

[peak ore]

The Allo's pounce only works intermittently; it's poorly designed and shouldn't even exist.

[dusky surge]

works decent for killing stegos tho lol

at least when you're in a pack and actually working together

[golden coral]

For what it should be? And what should stego be, then?

[alpine sleet]

We managed to 2v1 a full prime as 2 prime allos

[analog zodiac]

Yea and stego is 9 hours till 88% until its peak so there is 4 hours difference between allo and Steg xD idk wym by almost the same growth time

[analog zodiac]

But that’s not bc stego is broken that’s just because trike is just bad rn, buff trike and don’t nerf Steg, only bc Steg has easier time to kill a Rex than a trike doesn’t mean that we should nerf stego xD

[dusky surge]

yea for sure, trike is... not great

[analog zodiac]

Yea buff his elder/adult turn speed

[dusky surge]

i honestly reckon it's because both rex and stego have a variety of possible attacks and status effects to weaken their prey

rex has fractures
stego has bleed
trike has raw damage ONLY on thrash and nothing else

trike suffers from a complete overreliance on thrash

[analog zodiac]

Yep

And Rex vs trike is really skillbased rn

[thorn mountain]

its kinda not

[analog zodiac]

Me and my friend had both old Rexes and we fighted 3 prime stegos and still won, bc had trees around, just play with what u got and not just in a plain field where stego is literally the best at

[analog zodiac]

It is definitely

[thorn mountain]

no it really isnt

[dusky surge]

eh, trike and rex doesn't honestly feel that skill based

i'd argue stego v rex is more skillbased

[analog zodiac]

I fighted a good Rex and he won by like 8% hp and I’m a pretty good Steg

[dusky surge]

stego gets screwed for making any large mistakes due to just how squishy it is compared to the rex

[thorn mountain]

rex uses ambush to get around the trike, get a crush, then a bite then stay behind the trike get another crush and bite and it gets fractured, then its just easy win

[dusky surge]

ohhh did you mean stego v rex lol

because you said trike v rex

[thorn mountain]

OH STEGO VS REX

[analog zodiac]

So if u really know what u doing u can kill basically every stego

Yes nah trike vs Rex, trike is cooked

I mean Steg

[thorn mountain]

lol you said trike

[dusky surge]

okay yea lol

[thorn mountain]

I do enjoy the matchup against stego

[analog zodiac]

Oh mb

[dusky surge]

but i do agree, rex v stego is a LOT more skill based

[thorn mountain]

you get 3 hits and you just can run

[analog zodiac]

I ment Steg

[dusky surge]

trike v rex is just rex gets behind, gets a fracture, wins

or trike lands a lucky thrash

[analog zodiac]

Yea trike def needs a turn speed buff

[dusky surge]

which is never gonna happen against a good rex

but yea trike needs... something

the thing is about the turn radius buff idea is idk

atp, trike is already just better dibble lmao

[analog zodiac]

What else u wanna buff tho

[analog zodiac]

Nah dibble has a crazy slide

Just use the slides and u do a 360 in 2 sec

[dusky surge]

not really tbh

its slide also got turbonerfed in the recent patch

dibble has very little of anything to it besides a now subpar slide that's somewhat better than trike's

[analog zodiac]

It’s still a 180

[dusky surge]

meh

like genuinely not that good

[analog zodiac]

I mean I can play, and fight everything within my size

[dusky surge]

sure, but it also is just utter rex fodder

and it honestly isn't even that good against other midtiers

hell, even ceratos can kick its ass if competent

[analog zodiac]

Hell no

Maybe if both a 2T but prime vs prime nah

And even prime cera vs adult dibble, dibble cooks

[analog zodiac]

Imo it’s one of the best ngl, u can kill sub Rex, prime allo, prime cera basically everything within its size

Only problem is dibbles speed

Should be faster but the other things are not really needed tbh, but idm if dibble gets a buff bc I mained it xD

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

i love people who look at rex and go "oh the bite force too low" as if the ability to near instantly incapacitate your prey isn't insanely powerful

it has pins, stuns and fractures on top of good base damage

[frosty heron]

I do not think Stego needs a massive nerf but I agree that it being more capable than Trike for fighting a Rex doesnt feel right...

[dusky surge]

i think trike needs a lot more to keep up, it's very evidently just not as good as the other creatures

[frosty heron]

In fact that a Stego is more skill based against a Rex being 6 hours vs 12 is absolutely ridiculous , I always agreed that Stego should be faster and be dangerous if it lands a lot of hits on a potato Rex player but not straight brawl it thats crazy

[dusky surge]

it has no unique gimmicks that give it an upper hand like stego's bleed or rex's fracture, has the worst base movement out of every creature in the game (speed, trot, agility), is hyper-reliant on ONE easily punishable move and nothing else

it's not stego is too good, it's trike is just kinda ass

[frosty heron]

I did fought 2vs2 Stegos as Elder Rex and 2 powerswings to my tail base (completely unavoidable btw) put my bloodpool down to 44%

[dusky surge]

stego has bleed, flank defence and fast attacks
rex has fracture, mobility and pins
trike just has raw damage tbh, and not even its headshot resistance matters since crush entirely ignores it

[vale brook]

i just wish rex/trike fights were more focused around sparring

[dusky surge]

ironically, rex is for some reason becoming better at that too

[vale brook]

im going to buy a gun

[dusky surge]

since it has the ability to turn the trike a full 90 degrees, and due to trike's godawful turn radius and alt-attacks, this basically confirms a free crush/bite

[frosty heron]

Im not sure whats the conditions for the sparring moves to have priority over one another , tecnically Trike has that full 90 degree too but its useless for him due to thrash being a slow move

I would like Trike to have more options on his set and keeping it usable specially on spar , like a thrust move that deals good amount of dmg , and considering to nerf the thrash damage and hitbox a little bit so it doesnt come the "autowin move if it lands"

[carmine crypt]

They need to make Trike bee competent fighting Rex, not nerf stego for being decent for holding itself against Rex. It's Trike's capability, or lack off what the problem is

Trike is plan out trash at fighting that it is supposed to fend off

[faint robin]

Thrash is not autowin move rn, rex easily kill trike even after running flip+thrash

[elfin night]

so many stego nerf requests brug

God forbid a herbivore can survive in a fight against a larger opponent

[golden coral]

Stego too powerful, it's just a "midtier" after all! The obvious solution of just upping the growth time to properly fit the power seems to be less popular than just nerfing stego again, unfortunately.

[slim dragon]

Well
There were already rex players complaining stego was too OP when it was nothing more than a free meal for rex

[golden coral]

Wait, really?

[slim dragon]

Yeah
Somehow they managed to lose against it

[elfin night]

mid tier? Tiers basically do not exist, and I don't see how is stego on the same level as things like allo or maia

[slim dragon]

There is an official tiers list somewhere... but posting it is forbidden

[dusky surge]

i have bad news, tiers do in fact, exist internally

but they don't supercede balance, which is what people have yet to wrap their head around

[golden coral]

Yes I know, I apologize, thought it was obvious I was making fun of the whole "stego isn't what it should be" sentiment. As if stego isn't "allowed" to be this powerful because it's just a midtier, an allo counterpart and so allos should be able to 1v1 it and all that, since people treat the matchup like rex vs trike, this known and therefor given matchup IRL that should be in the game too.

[slim dragon]

People who say it should go like irl aren't happy when they're told there is no actual evidence of allo ever succeeding to kill a stego

[elfin night]

well I guess they do implicitly

but obviously there's nuance

if carno isn't suited to take on a minmi comfortably, then it plainly is not suited to deal with a minmi comfortably regardless of any size or growth time difference

same goes for stego and rex

[elfin night]

I genuinely can't tell if you are trolling or not

[slim dragon]

So you've never seen the list ?

[elfin night]

no I haven't

I'm ignorant

[slim dragon]

I would show you but I was told I would get banned if I ever post it again

[frosty heron]

A 6 hours playable shouldn´t fighting back a 12 hours , theres no bigger carnivores to be released in terms of mass

Rex is the biggest and people oftenly forgets that

And yes I do think the time to growth is important in the apex category , more effort = more strengh

[carmine crypt]

yet u see a 5–16 kg porcupine fending of a lion

its spike will hurt

[frosty heron]

This is a videogame not real life , i dont take those , you gotta make it enjoyable not a pain to play

Also I can also use that on my favour saying that Rex has the strongest bitteforce of a land animal and if crushes a Stego once on its head it should die but we dont want that right¿

[carmine crypt]

Then where is the problem with a stego not being free food? It's a video game, how u say

[frosty heron]

I suggested to make it faster so it doesnt be free food

People here finds it too romantic to Stego being able to brawl a Rex solo

Trike is Rex opponent I do agree its a bit lacking now

Trike is the effort

[dusky surge]

you're right, this is a video game, not real life, and a stego dying on sight to a rex isn't fun for the stego

also stego being faster would just look absurd

its already pushing it with its current run

[mint star]

shoutout to the airtime

[frosty heron]

As I said , yall just want to fight it because only god knows

[dusky surge]

yall?

who's yall?

i ain't playing stego lol

[frosty heron]

Nah , I played yesterday solo Stego and all the Allos that tried got easy clapped even those that properly landed a pounce on me got dismounted with the powerswing , and some Rexes that spotted me didnt even tried

[vale brook]

"no bigger carnivore" spino lol

[frosty heron]

Stego is on a very good spot rn

[frosty heron]

Spinosaurus mass is less than Rex , its smaller unless devs make it oversized

[vale brook]

spino was bigger than rex in legacy and has been said to also be a bit larger than rex in evrima, way back when (hope trailer go brrr)

[dusky surge]

spino will be heavier than rex, it is GOING to be oversized

[thorn mountain]

sorry, its getting oversized

[frosty heron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale brook]

also, just increase stegos growth time by like 2-3 hours

an 8-9 hour grow for a glass canon apex is fine

[frosty heron]

If people wants that Jurassic Park fantasy guess I can tank it

[vale brook]

have you seen evrima spino

that thing is JP fantasy personified

[frosty heron]

I did , probably gonna be 15/16 tons

Classic

[thorn mountain]

looks smaller to me

[vale brook]

it is kind of hype though i love our spino design

but i also love legacy spino

i think i just like spino

[thorn mountain]

evrima spino makes legacy look weird

I loved legacy spino, until I saw evrimas

[vale brook]

legacy spino is spino from another era and i love it just the same

[frosty heron]

When it comes out ima be waiting with my spyglass checking the balance feedback

[thorn mountain]

yea all the rex glazers going to go feral

[vale brook]

its going to be deino mains for as far as the eye can see

[frosty heron]

I hope if Rex isnt fighting it back , its faster and has more stam 😄

But that not gonna happen

[vale brook]

i wouldnt be surprised if its both tbh

spino has the advantage of just being able to slink into the water and ignore the rex

[frosty heron]

Doubt Spino will have less than 45 seconds of sprint time

[limber delta]

Can’t wait for a deino damage buff when spino drops

[frosty heron]

Sounds almost land croc stamina

[thorn mountain]

you aint gettting that mate

[vale brook]

deino will not be competing with spino, i doubt it will be getting a damage buff

atleast, not in terms of pure physicality

[thorn mountain]

kissen has already said if you see a spino as a deino you run away. simple

[limber delta]

They will be fighting each other a lot, if not for territory then for fun

[vale brook]

it may compete in the ecosystem and for prey but it wont be much of a threat

[vale brook]

spino is going to dogwalk that thing. calling it a fight is... generous

[slim dragon]

One will definitely be fighting for fun
The other not so much

[limber delta]

Yeah those poor spinos

[vale brook]

its like if mike tyson went to a middle school for his next championship

[thorn mountain]

im sorry

[slim dragon]

I was about to post these exact pictures

[limber delta]

Not gonna happen after all the Stunslop hate at least not at equal growth%

[thorn mountain]

stop saying something slop

[slim dragon]

How is that related

[thorn mountain]

ooo bite slop

also how does that make any sense?

for one you cannot stun in the water for two what?

[limber delta]

I don’t say something slop I just say Stunslop. Because that’s what’s plagued this game recently, everything stunning everything whether by pins or knock downs or whatever

[thorn mountain]

well I mean

if you think everything is just going to bite or click lmb you will be wrong

and at that point, not the game for you

and perhaps move to something like pot?

[limber delta]

Not the game for the entire community judging by how they’ve been received lol

[thorn mountain]

im fine with it

its just pick your fights

[limber delta]

No one likes getting perma cc’d to death, besides glazers

[vale brook]

then the community will find a game for them

seems we've found people who like the game though, considering playercount has ballooned

[limber delta]

Player count≠player satisfaction

Check reviews, check any isle community.

Allo pin era has been the worst received era for this game yet

[vale brook]

you have not been around the game very long if you think that im sorry

and if you have been around very long, you need to refresh your memory

id say we're doing pretty well review wise as well

[limber delta]

:)

[vale brook]

then i stand by what i said right after that

[limber delta]

Check recent reviews and check communities lol stunslop is ruining the game

[vale brook]

update 6 was awful, release gateway had stamina that basically killed the community for a couple of weeks

3.75 went on for 9 months with a dinosaur loss bug

[carmine crypt]

I would say increase the adult stego weight to 7 or 8t and increase the growth time accordingly

[limber delta]

Exactly

[vale brook]

pretty sure petit is peaking as well. they had about 800 concurrent players last night across both servers

[limber delta]

Goes to show how bad official servers are

So bad that everyone’s migrated to spaces where they’re actually cared about and juve ptera scripters get perma’d😭

[vale brook]

arent a decent chunk of officials also consistently full lol

(the answer is yes, by the way)

[limber delta]

Only a few and even then it’s from the aforementioned scripters flooding them

If Dondi personally hired bot farms to flood officials you’d still be glazing them

[vale brook]

so

tells me to check communities
communities doing fine
tells me to check reviews
majority are positive
"officials empty!"
shows they arent
"hurrr they scripters"

i mean its humerous after a while, it really is. one day youll find somewhere to finally plant the goalpost for good

[dusky surge]

i like officials idk man

i assume that means im a bot sent by a higher power to make dondi look good

[limber delta]

Bro’s typing in 4chan green text 😭 average Dondi glazer

Communities aren’t doing fine, Stunslop and allo pin complaints are everywhere, I never said officials are empty, just that they’re so bad that players are migrating away from them to escape juve ptera scripters, and you admitting they’re full proves my point

[dusky surge]

me like au server

thats my take

[thorn mountain]

so like not dooming about the game and actually thinking like a person makes you a glazer? ok

[limber delta]

Bro was literally defending stunslop by saying it’s fine because lots of people play the game

That isn’t a justified reason and is just glazing. Lots of people throw manure at each other, does that mean it’s fine?

[thorn mountain]

you make a valid point, but some people may just not care for things like that

[limber delta]

(Not me here, I would never let myself get hit by a rex) this isn’t fun. It’s a cutscene where the player’s freedom to move is completely removed for, in some cases, an entire minute

People play despite of this, not because of it (not directed at you btw, but the other guy)

Sure, stuns are okay in moderate amounts, but when literally every combat capable dino has one, some immensely strong, it gets very tiring very quickly, as seen with the allo pin controversy

[frosty heron]

It isnt fun but how you make Rex able to catch stuff an ambusher then? I dont see any other way if more than half of the roster is faster

Ive catched carnos and I feel like its a waste of time due to the amount of food they give

[limber delta]

With its raw damage and fracture

Even then, it’s an apex, it’s supposed to be hard to feed.

There shouldn’t be 10 adult rexes in a 100 player server

Not even mentioning Rex’s defensive stuns, one of which it can buffer while standing up

[frosty heron]

Raw damage? So without pin mechanic , crush does 1k dmg , what im supposed to catch with that , pachys?

[vale brook]

naturally, yes

[frosty heron]

Do you have even played Rex?

[vale brook]

if an allosaurus gets caught by a rex for... some reason, instead of dying, the rex should play with it and break its leg. maybe bite it a few more times

[frosty heron]

Or yall straight hate it and thats it?

[vale brook]

THEN the allo should die because... thats somehow better

[limber delta]

Yes, it was immensely easy at all stages of growth except frail elder

[dusky surge]

wagagaga beebee

[vale brook]

wagagagaga beebeebee

i wagag'd and beebee'd far harder than you ever could

[frosty heron]

With the stuff youre suggesting either you hunted true bot players or youre lying to me lol , a Pachy gives 10% food to a Rex , thats unviable lol

[frosty heron]

Such a lovely person you are buddy

[dusky surge]

thanks man

[limber delta]

Rex doesn’t need pin to hunt allos

Nor does it need its two defensive stuns to hunt allos either

[frosty heron]

Nah Rex doesnt need to eat , has to die by existing

Starve to death simulator

[dusky surge]

it has the slowest hunger time in the game that's not even true

[frosty heron]

Bro Allo is faster and doesnt get fractured by a single bite

[faint robin]

Sorry it's trike role already

[vale brook]

i do wish rex starved faster

i think deino should undoubtably have the longest hunger time in game

[limber delta]

Funny strawman but unironically true. Rex should struggle eating because it’s an apex, but right now it’s power fantasy simulator, hunt whatever you want at any growth stage with similar agility to a cera

Those poor trikes dude

[dusky surge]

the fact that big gator starves slower than rex angers me

[vale brook]

i dont even like the fat gator but damn

he cant even gator as a gator...

[frosty heron]

I dont see any Apex struggling to eat in this game , herbies can spawn PZs at their will

They only struggle when theyre more than 2 , and even so , grazing exist

[limber delta]

That’s my point

[frosty heron]

Then why Rex should struggle if the others are not? See what I mean? Pure hate

[dusky surge]

what

bro i want ALL of them to struggle lmao

they're APEXES

[limber delta]

When did I make an exception for trike or stego

Show me where I made that exception

[frosty heron]

Never heard yall want that for herbs , NEVER

[dusky surge]

yea because rex is the most outstanding example

[frosty heron]

I even in fact asked for more food options for apex herbies

[vale brook]

id kill to have grazing shot in the head several times

get RID of that mechanic and force herbivores to actually have food competiton

[dusky surge]

doesn't mean it doesn't ring true for all apexes, including herbis

[faint robin]

At least rex doesn't get deleted because faster playable spotted it

[limber delta]

I want that for ALL large dinos.

[frosty heron]

Youre being just too negative with it isnt it=

Ive played Trike and survived you can too

[limber delta]

Deino right now is the ONLY truly large dino that struggles with eating, and is the only balanced large dino in general rn

[faint robin]

Good rex deletes good trike which was proven

[frosty heron]

Back to negativity

[dusky surge]

trike is just a worse stego atm tbh, just not good

[frosty heron]

You gotta really remove that hat from your heat bud, it isnt true that ALL Rexes deletes Trikes because theres many many unskilled players out there

Bro is like "Rex saw me im dead"

[faint robin]

Good rex saw me im dead

[vale brook]

i mean.. until trike can actually block rex crush with its head, i cant imagine trike is anything but free eats for a rex that isnt asleep at the keyboard

considering crush and fracture just goes through the trike head lol

[frosty heron]

Theres couple good Rexes on the server I play and I just hug dense forest

[limber delta]

Rex is a mess at every growth stage and is not hard to feed nor is it slow or unagile, it is a giant cera disguised as an apex

Stego isn’t as problematic combat-wise as rex but still is incredibly unpunishable and even easier to feed

Trike is admittedly relatively balanced combat-wise but because it lives in the same game as rex, it’s completely useless beyond being easy to feed

[faint robin]

You don't need to do much vs trike as rex to kill it tbh

With that turning, stuns and fracture its easy game

[frosty heron]

Ima be playing more Trike from now on and ima try giving solutions

[faint robin]

Minitrike tested it quite good to say trike is trash

[limber delta]

Rex needs its headbutt stuns removed and turning reduced, stego needs a slightly higher cooldown on power swing, trike can stay the same, and we would live in paradise

[frosty heron]

I prefer to test stuff myself , im good at researching

In fact I found a nasty bug Rex has

If you tap sprint you can move faster than trotting and doesnt make any noise

[faint robin]

Rex should get a meaty nerf to fracture at the very least
On top of fixing trike front armor and blocks not working

Trike should also stun rex cuz rex can do it

[frosty heron]

More crush nerfs and it gonna do 20 damage

[faint robin]

I mean stun when stationary

[faint robin]

Doesnt matter how much crush does if it disables u in 2 hits
Tho im more for rex getting a dmg buff to compensate

[vale brook]

^

[faint robin]

Bigger dmg surely won't disable trike in 2 hits since trike is made to withstand it

[frosty heron]

Bigger dmg and people will suggest to nerf it , probably

[faint robin]

It won't be op so why nerf it?

850 dmg was alr for rex and 1500-2k crush

Fracture is way less interactive to deal with

[frosty heron]

I don´t ive seen a lot of suggestions here to make Rex just insta redflag of "Playable I should never pick if I want to enjoy the game" , being an ambush hunter that needs Time to setup good ambushes but make it starve fast and remove its murder sprint hability

I really want people playing on that and not playing Rex the next day

Due to how unviable that would be

Ima go play Diablo and test that out

[steep otter]

Rex needs more damage and less fracture

Also its agility is kinda nuts

[prime marlin]

Do people not think allo is an issue lol ?

[limber delta]

not just allo but rex too

honestly all stuns need to massively reduced in duration and pins need to be made way harder to achieve

[warped zenith]

@steep otter it'ss true that rex has a lot of speed with ambush but as you are already seeing the image you have posted isn't true, you can check it yourself, obviously with the ambush it doesn't get 10 km more but it gets too much speed, it wouldn't have problem if the ambush were a mechanical one and not pressing a button and you already have it with a cooldown of 3-4 min, I would like it to be more like legacy but well, but it's true that has too much speed, especially at 100% xd

[steep otter]

The main issue only is real at its peak prime

It can run down allos , ceratos , dibbles with ambush

[spiral ledge]

yep , it is frustrating to know that you will never be a 100% old dino because you know you are gonna die from a rex

it is frustrating that a rex runs faster than you and literally oneshot you

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
We have asthma, and now also arthritis

[icy blaze]

We are f-ed

Gonna get Alzheimer's soon as well

[solemn thunder]

apparently theres a "glass bones" effect

it doesnt seem to do anything

[maiden temple]

Uuu interesting

Maybe fancy wording for lowered fracture resistance?

[vale brook]

it does! it happens if you break your legs a few times iirc. it means you have lowered fracture resist/an easier time being fractured i believe

atleast, its intended to

who knows if it works

[maiden temple]

Fun, I wish there was more of these, positive ones too. It makes living and surviving that much more interesting

[daring aspen]

I wonder why they delete some suggestions from feedback

[viscid mica]

If it’s not relevant to balancing or is just complaining they tend to make them go poof

[wanton current]

bro

the fact allo's pounce has no hitbox is so idiotic

[dusky surge]

wdym no hitbox

[wanton current]

like as a maia, when I try to shove an allo mid pounce, they ignore the shove and still hit me

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

dude the worst part about this to me wasn't even the bleed

it was watching you buck knowing full well it just probably would not work

[wanton current]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

With trees being unreliable to get allos/omnis off ur back, ppl r gonna rely on bucking

but bucking by itself is booty cheeks unless ur probably 3rd entombed with that one mut? But I never had that so idek if it's good on the 3rd entombment.

but bucking wouldn't have helped since the bleed dmg had alr been inflicted

[indigo rain]

The bucking mut starts at 5% baseline so it probably only goes up to 10% at most like photo or noc. I just move between water and rocks personally now

Hydro is more reliable and in 4 entombments ive only come across one deino smaller than me

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Go places, the inactive zones still count and you're bound to cross them if you travel.

Also, just play something else, everyone is tired of the whining

[maiden temple]

Bucking being this bad is just stinky

[stark spear]

they clearly dont, ive crossed multiple inactives and not gottten prime after definitely getting perfect diet, sanc as juv, no muscle spasms and no infertile

i crossed the map on that omni through an inactive migration zone and didnt get prime

[maiden temple]

Maybe you didn't stay in the area long enough for it to register, who knows. Trying again on your next life is all you can do. I know for sure you can cross 2 migration zones on raptor before you hit 75%, that's all I can tell you

[cosmic pelican]

There was an update this morning, if you had your omni before the update it reset all your completed prime conditions.
Happened before to me as well, and not just on omni.

[maiden temple]

No patch notes?

[cosmic pelican]

#announcements message

[wheat field]

I feel like prime conditions would be viewed on a lot more favorably if you could actually see the progress if you pressed tab or something

Not just ope didnt get prime guess I messed up or the game bugged

[maiden temple]

Inb4 silent nerfs

[maiden temple]

I feel like devs are trying to keep the info to absolutely minimum, same with lifestyle mutations and such, so I don't think it would ever be added to the tab menu.

It would be nice to know for sure though, I had success getting prime just wandering around but I already know the requirements list. Noobies will suffer for longer than necessary

Everything is becoming a bit less planned, and more RNG/experience based

[wheat field]

I feel like maybe if the quest was a mystery that you slowly unlocked by accidentally visiting migration zones and once you reached prime was fully unlocked so you could see in all your next lives it wouldnt just kill the new players

[maiden temple]

That sounds nice tbh, basically a 'here's what you did right to become a prime specimen!'

It wouldn't be such a big deal if wiki was updated and you could refer to it

[wheat field]

Yeah that thing is ancient

I dont think its been updated since deino was released

[maiden temple]

Gotta rely on Kouga now

I wonder if humans will have all the info about dinosaurs and such, basically like playing a big guide

That would also be really fun

[daring aspen]

I can see this, but sometimes I feel like they just delete things they dont like, for example, I had said "Allo pounce seems to be able to pounce things head on, Make them get stunned if they pounce something equal/larger than them head on like other pounce dinos" and it was deleted.

[eager saddle]

@quasi kelp #balance-feedback message what do you mean with queue system for roles?

[dusky surge]

i think its like a "role queue like overwatch" thing

like this game is so PvP that it should add a queue for DPS lmao

[eager saddle]

See, I HOPE that’s not what they meant

Cuse having played Overwatch, I see 0 way to make that work in so many aspects

[dusky surge]

i think it was like a weird joke lol

[unique dagger]

Give rex the strong attack you talked about

[eager saddle]

Hopefully but you never know nowadays

[dusky surge]

what

[eager saddle]

@random stump its not a mixpacking icon, it's a mega packing icon. It shows when there is 3 of the SAME species. So it's not gonna show up with ateno 2 allos a trike and a stego.

oh right he won't read this because I am blocked 💀

[ruby ledge]

ah i see

@random stump i believe the dinosaur symbol represents alot of animals in one place, not just mixpacking. (it also shows/showed up with a large pack of compy AI in hordetest, so take that as you will.)

[viscid mica]

Could be over posting a lot of the same I’ve seen those get cleared up to just the most popular one before as well

[viscid mica]

@radiant shadow they’d have to entirely remake dilo to even consider changing venom function

@random stump instead of singular diet from start to finish for apex’s what’s your thoughts on having Ai change to singular diet at sub adult+

Allow juvi to remain viable and not a unholy slog while reducing the ease of sub adult+ growing

@quasi kelp may I recommend trying unofficials? There’s a lot of good ones that have high pop and will take care of that for you plus most regrow you if you die to Cheaters or mixpackers and have proof.

@honest oasis it’s ni impossible for officials to enforce mixpacking even with a game system as it’s easy enough to follow others around as a carno or galli and cause the debuff to begin

@feral hazel I love all of those

[honest oasis]

That’s a fair counter argument. Just gets frustrating I suppose. Because players could just grief one another for that or unknowingly do by being near a deino.

[viscid mica]

Absolutely, I’d say just go to unofficials for now until the devs either can have a staff team vast enough to enforce it in some way or manage to make a system that can do the deed

[random stump]

thats works too

[viscid mica]

Ya cuz like if you’ve played Rex you’d know juvi purgatory is a real thing 😭 by far one of the weaker/harder spawns until you get to like 500kg

[random stump]

idk i get reabsorption and sit on a beach eating turtles till then, i've yet to die as a juvie unless i spawn in delta because... duh

[viscid mica]

Clearly have yet to catch me on one of my dilo rampages I raid all the grow spots XD fresh spawn dilo I once took 5 juvi Rex’s at once now that felt great to win

(South grow beach to be specific)

[feral hazel]

im glad :)

[viscid mica]

I wish they added more Dino specific mutations no combat ones but ones that are specifically designed to make that Dino’s life a lil easier

[frosty heron]

@viscid mica Are you aware that full prime Rex is slower than FG Dibble right?

Even with the ambush speed according to the chart

[viscid mica]

Peak->peak

No it’s not

[frosty heron]

Full prime and peak are different things lol

[viscid mica]

All the charts in the world won’t convince me from what I’ve seen I. Game

[frosty heron]

FG Dibble is 34.2 km/h vs 33 km/h of full Rex with murder sprint , its just values , what you have seen needs context

[viscid mica]

I said FG I wasn’t accounting prime at max because everything gets messy when primes are accounted for

[frosty heron]

Rex is faster below 90% elder

[viscid mica]

Adult to adult Rex is faster

[frosty heron]

Faster by 0.5 km/h

Sorry 0.7 actually , you dont even notice that

[viscid mica]

You really do

You should play dibble on a server with consistent FG+ Rex’s a Rex sees you you die it’s that simple unless you can find a good bush or log before they get to you

[frosty heron]

I already did , Rexes have to yet find me , and even so as I said youre probably being chased by Prime Rexes betwen 78% and 95%

Ive played a lot of Rex on all the growth stages and its faster moment is peak prime , when you reach full youre slow af

[viscid mica]

Either way Rex is still faster than dibble by enough that if it’s within 2 of its body lengths it is a Garantee kill

[frosty heron]

Can´t even chase Dibbles at that point

[viscid mica]

Yes I’m aware I’m not talking 100%

75% when you hit OG FG

[frosty heron]

If im that close with the murder sprint available I think I deserve the kill lol

[vale brook]

yeah icl diablo should die at that point

[viscid mica]

Not really that’s still a massive distance and with how gigantic bushes are getting that close is easy

Like super easy

They’d have to be in a massive open field to be able to not have a Rex get that close

[vale brook]

2 body lengths is not really a massive distance

[viscid mica]

50 meters ish

[vale brook]

i'm sorry, what animal is 25 meters long?

[frosty heron]

Ive had an Allo at less distance and by just reacting to me getting out the bush , outrun my ambush sprint , it isnt that fast sometimes the issue is that is decently fast on peak prime

[viscid mica]

Thats the distance max for Rex to get a Garantee kill on dibble

[frosty heron]

And I did that ambush on the biggest bushes of Highlands

Trust me to catch certain playables you need to be REALLY close

[vale brook]

so 150~ feet, give or take

yah, i dont mind a rex being able to burst out of a sight line and catch a diablo from that

[frosty heron]

To catch stuff like Carnos or Tenos they need to literally run into your bush

[viscid mica]

Obviously that’s a given and how it should be

Rex has no business out pacing those

[frosty heron]

Yeah but I gotta eat as Rex right? Theres gotta be stuff that can catch

[viscid mica]

You have plenty of large prey to choose

Even bigger than a dibble

And you can still ambush dibble you’d just have to be actually close

[frosty heron]

Plenty , let me think , Stego and Trike only , unless I pick Canni

[viscid mica]

Instead of “close”

For now but that doesn’t mean you can’t ambush other things

You can still ambush a dibble even if what I said happened

You’d just have to actually ambush it not trot into range an than catch it

[frosty heron]

Doubt I can when reaching 100% Rex with those speeds tbh

[viscid mica]

Ya if your at 100% not much you can do in general beyond pick fights with other apex’s

[frosty heron]

33 km/h the only way ima catch something on that point is finding frail elders and they dont exist due to how easy prime is to get

[viscid mica]

That’s like the whole point of entombing

[frosty heron]

FG isnt that fast either

Just peak prime is the issue

[viscid mica]

It’s faster than dibble FG

[viscid mica]

Tbf if I had things my way speed would never change from what they hit at FG

[frosty heron]

As I said earlier , by 0.7 km/h with ambush , thats a joke , you aint catching it unless im close

[viscid mica]

But the speed reduction is meant to encourage entombing

[viscid mica]

Teno and cera difference is .1 and yet tenos can easily catch cera

[frosty heron]

And people wants to remove the ambush sprint , that has me rolling on the floor

[viscid mica]

No leave it just make it less oppressive for certain playables

[frosty heron]

Nah they can´t , if a Teno catches you is because you can smell him

Youre literally feeling his scaly ass

[viscid mica]

You underestimate how much any speed difference makes let alone full km differences

[frosty heron]

Also Teno has the same if not more stam than Cera

[viscid mica]

Yes

[frosty heron]

Rex doesnt have the stamina of the rest of playables

[viscid mica]

Here how about this allos are smoking cera on mass unless it’s a group fight simply cuz they are equal speeds and it’s easy to get close

Rex can do the same but it also has a slight speed advantage

[frosty heron]

Allo can close the gap with the pounce

[viscid mica]

Not anymore

They patched that out

It’s now roughly the same distance as Rex throwing out a crush

[frosty heron]

I know about the stun thing , youre not getting it

If im close to a cera enought the dash in from the pounce does latch

[viscid mica]

And Rex’s crush does the same in the same situation?

[frosty heron]

Rex crush doesnt vault the Rex forwards faster than the sprint lol

[viscid mica]

Both allo and Rex pin abilities also trigger on tail hits which is absurd

[frosty heron]

Also the hitbox in front is really small

[viscid mica]

It… it absolutely does

[frosty heron]

Absolutely not as I can tell

[viscid mica]

Smaller than allos sure but not that small it’s approximately same size as its face

[frosty heron]

Sad I didnt saved that clip , that was the perfect proff

[frosty heron]

Really small, ive been literally touching other playables tail with it and not engaging the crush

[viscid mica]

Clip or not my lived experience will always take precedent for my experience playing as and against

[frosty heron]

So basically someone will show you proof and you will regret it

[viscid mica]

desync probs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid mica]

Deny it yes if I’ve experienced otherwise

[frosty heron]

On stable 50 ping? Doubt it

[viscid mica]

I mean I got clips too I could find

[viscid mica]

Ya but what’s their ping lol

If yours is 50 and theirs is 140 and they are further away it will likely not count

[frosty heron]

It happened to me multiple times not only one

[viscid mica]

Having a lower ping is both a blessing and curse in this game

[frosty heron]

Crush hitbox its bigger to the sides more than in front , by a chunk

[viscid mica]

This is also true

[frosty heron]

You have more chance to escape if you run in the same direction as the Rex than doing it to the sides

[viscid mica]

Only time sides is worth it is if it has to force turn significantly enough that it can’t throw the crush

So small things circling a Rex is worth it

[frosty heron]

Anyhow I do feel like Rex doesnt need speed nerfs , maybe a touch on the prime speeds but thats it , otherwise when people learns all the Rex bushes of the map , Rex aint eating

[viscid mica]

Here’s my main concern why I think dibble needs to be equal or faster than Rex, they super sized all the fauna making it extremely easy for a Rex to approach things in a majority of the map letting it get within run down range easily. Dibbles camera is lower than most things it’s weight thus giving it a lower camera angle and less visibility comparably which is why they are having such a hard time surviving Rex’s

[dusky surge]

Imma be real I just hate murdersprint and its implementation lmao, its horribly unfun to play against with no actual proper counterplay

The Rex is just faster now. Good luck

[frosty heron]

The counterplay is having a bit of awaraness and do the "I maybe shouldnt go close to this bush"

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind it entirely per say but I wish it was implemented like legacy

Must be actually sneaking to get value from the “ambush” sprint

[viscid mica]

In general it’s really not that simple the distance Rex can catch a dibble out is just to vast

[vale brook]

if it stays rex specific, i wouldnt mind that

i would however hate if we just got back into "crouch circling" fights between certain carnivores

[dusky surge]

That exists regardless of murdersprint, and Rex can pop murdersprint whenever it feels

It doesn’t need a bush

[frosty heron]

Ive been playing a lot of sneak into ambush Rex lately , trust me when I tell you that you fail 70% of those ambushes because people doesnt get close enought

[frosty heron]

It truly does , a lot

Anything that spots you that isnt a Trike it gonna just run if it sees you

[viscid mica]

If you played a server like petite I’ve yet to see a dibble survive a Rex spotting, they get trotted down into range than burst down in seconds, with how many playables are around and how officals are slowly marching to that same player count range dibbles are swarmed as they are good fights for omnis, dilos and cera those fights are loud and it’s easy for Rex’s to get within range

[frosty heron]

Im playing on Norden , you will be finding me there

[viscid mica]

Let alone the size of fauna in game and how small Rex’s walking sound range is

It’s just way too easy to get close enough to benefit from that .7ish difference

[frosty heron]

Crouch walking is silent , normal walking is loud af

In fact ive spotted many Rexes by the stomps only

[viscid mica]

Loud af in a tiny range

[frosty heron]

Nah its not tiny

[golden tapir]

its actually loud in a high radius especially when running

[viscid mica]

Rex’s audible distance for walking is tiny for its size

[golden tapir]

dibble just need a speed buff idk why it so slow

[viscid mica]

When running yes not when walking

[frosty heron]

Walking still loud

[golden tapir]

not from my experience its loud for both

[viscid mica]

No not dibble Rex needs the nerf dibbles speed is fine

Ugh I got a clip that shows its distance from HT let me see if I can find it

[golden tapir]

i played stego other day and I hear rex walking from 70 meter away so that gave me chance to run away

[golden tapir]

not really dibble being 34kmh is too slow even allo is 39+

[frosty heron]

I heard Rexs stomps to my left at about 4/5 Rexes lenghts away and cause of that I killed it

Because I didnt saw him

[spiral ledge]

Allo is 35.6 btw

[frosty heron]

It got updated , its 39

[golden tapir]

its way faster

[viscid mica]

No they buffed it it’s way faster equal speed to cera actually

[viscid mica]

Allo is simply too fast

[spiral ledge]

That is in his prime , later drop down to 35

[viscid mica]

@frosty heron and @golden tapir it’s about 3 Rex body lengths before you can hear it’s regular trot

[golden tapir]

clip doesnt really show the difference lol

[dusky surge]

No, allo’s prime is slower than its adult

[frosty heron]

I dont feel like its that close , and I could tell while playing bigger playables I can hear them from far away

[viscid mica]

Unfortunately I didn’t clip before it got within range but the clip caught the exact moment it got in range

[frosty heron]

Maybe has something to do with being Beipi

[spiral ledge]

Yep adult is 39.8 and prime 39,2

[viscid mica]

Considering the fact Rex only needs to be 2/3 more steps forward to be in murder range for dibble from where I was it’s pretty close

[spiral ledge]

Cera is always a little faster , 36 cera , 35,6 allo and 34 dibble

[viscid mica]

It’s not thou like jump in game and play cera you gonna see only difference is your stam game is better

[dusky surge]

Rex should be like allo and cera and have a slower prime

The fact allo and cera are slower (a change I actually really like) but the 12 ton Rex is SIGNIFICANTLY faster is so stupid to me

[viscid mica]

Allo is way faster than you think

[viscid mica]

Yes

[dusky surge]

Honestly, I think a LOT of creatures would feel more fair if they were slower in prime

Trike and stego included

[spiral ledge]

Ye I play a lot allo and most of the ceras run away but the true is that cera needs more stam to run away

[viscid mica]

It’s too easy for Rex’s to burst down dibbles that’s my only gripe if they gave dibbles some other way out like equal speed or made Rex’s footstep range significantly bigger I would care as much

[dusky surge]

Oh and prime Maia

Dear god prime Maia needs SOMETHING about it tuned down, that creature is BROKEN

[frosty heron]

Ima be playing Dibble tomorrow and see what happens

Issue is that im getting slower now due to reaching peak prime

[viscid mica]

Cera has more stam it’s just if the allo gets close enough they’ll getcha pretty easily as they are same speed and pounce gives them like half their body lengths in lunge range and hitting the tail counts as stupid as that is

[spiral ledge]

Pounce from behind doesn’t work , I have already try xd

And I lost so many preys because doesn’t work

[viscid mica]

If I might recommend petite they have a solid roaster of FG Rex’s always online that will give you a good feel for how it is to play against them so long as you visit petites hotspots one will see you that’s for sure

[viscid mica]

Man tell that to my cera I lost yesterday 😭

[frosty heron]

Imo you shouldnt be visiting hotspots if youre playing Dibble lol

[viscid mica]

Bro hit the edge of my tail and next thing I know he was on my back

[frosty heron]

Its like asking to be killed

[viscid mica]

Fair enough but if your not allowed to access 2/3rd the map cuz you’ll just die simply cuz something bigger and faster will be there than why play that playable?

[dusky surge]

How to survive as dibble:

never be seen by anyone

Yea super viable lmao

[viscid mica]

I’m really against Dino’s invalidating the existence of eachother just cuz

[spiral ledge]

F , lmao yesterday happen to me something similar , a cera runs away from me because was faster and I found it because he started talking in chat xd

Yeah but the real problem for cera is the carno right now they kill ceras very easy

[frosty heron]

Pretty much the life on any juvie and many subs in this game

[viscid mica]

Feels

[viscid mica]

Sub and juvi is one thing

[frosty heron]

People just want to be in the middle of Delta and pretend they aint to get killed

[solid wyvern]

What's even the point of current deinos water drain? Like it's already in heavy disadvantage on land. Why making it amphibian is even an idea

[viscid mica]

A 75% FG is a whole other

[viscid mica]

It’s just meant to force you to stay in your “domain”

[frosty heron]

That happens with all the playables even Rex itself because you gonna get trotted down by other 2 bigger Rexes

[viscid mica]

They want their water apex to stay a water apex basically

[frosty heron]

Thats the game

[viscid mica]

Yes and no but I get your point

Prime Rex shouldn’t be trotting faster than base FG thou tbf

[spiral ledge]

If you play alone is a dead sentence in every Dino

Except carno / galli

[viscid mica]

Smaller should always be faster unless smaller has some serious defence power ie stego

[frosty heron]

Yeah and even so im not asking for certain nerfs , im just avoiding the hotspots , as many should

[dusky surge]

I’d be fine with it if it sprinted slower

[viscid mica]

I mean to be real no reason a 6 man dibble group should be easily smoked by a single FG Rex

[viscid mica]

Equal to a dibble at most imo

[spiral ledge]

As allo main my diet is been always canni and yeah if you play alone you won’t survive

[viscid mica]

Ehhhhh

Not exactly

You just have to play a very specific way and it’s generally not as fun as duo+

[frosty heron]

Thats one of the things I hate of this game sometimes , I cannot solo Rex because duos , or herbi mixpack , or whatever , but it is what it is

Dont get spotted by those, is my take

You can dislike it or not

[viscid mica]

Fair enough this is why I play unofficials mostly when not on HT

[frosty heron]

Im playing unofficials and yet sometimes you gonna get spotted by 2 Rexes while solo and thats it

[spiral ledge]

Yeah I get your point but right now the allo without preys the cannibalism is the unique way and the people that plays alone are a free buffet

[frosty heron]

Im pretty good at avoiding them by just sneaking in bushes

But still , open areas and daylight could be your death

[viscid mica]

In those situations I blast my stam in the opposite direction and try and log 😆

[frosty heron]

Yeah I saw a poor fresh adult Rex trying that and getting catched before logging off

[viscid mica]

That is a very specific official problem

[frosty heron]

Of course by a Prime

[viscid mica]

Ya primes are just so much faster than fresh adults

[spiral ledge]

F

[viscid mica]

Like between 7-9.3tons your basically cooked if a prime sees you they are just so much faster

[spiral ledge]

A prime rex that runs 40 kmh can kill everything

[solid wyvern]

So you say solo playing is bad

[frosty heron]

Rex between 6 and 8 tons is pretty much fooder to other Rexes , and cannot really fight the big herbs or catch the middle ones

Probs the hardest stage for Rex

[spiral ledge]

Not really but like turok said you need to avoid every hotspot

[frosty heron]

It could have a bit more of stamina than the adults

[viscid mica]

Agreed it used to be juvi but they buffed the speed so you get over 150kg way easier now

[frosty heron]

Its crazy that the worst enemy for Rex , is Rex itself lol

[viscid mica]

I mean tbf until other carni apex’s exist that will be the case

Herbis are just too slow to be a real threat and Rex is extremely strong against groups of smaller rn cuz alt rmb is just super oppressive

[frosty heron]

Uh Stego is a real threat to Rex tho

[viscid mica]

So are trikes if your not smart as Rex but it’s a 50/50

[solid wyvern]

I mean there is Rex now so no reason to force it

[frosty heron]

Stego is a worse menace than Trike currently way worse

[viscid mica]

But but BIG CROC IS A WATER DINO HOW DARE YOU LEAVE THE WATER

[viscid mica]

Yes the bleed is vast Truely

Trike needs some tweaks too

[frosty heron]

To the point is ridiculous , Stego can stun a Rex even properly landing a crush , they both get stunned at the same time but Stego gets more reward , the only reason Rex can win easily is due to Trombo

Remove trombo , Rex is cooked in that matchup unless youre really good at spacing

In fact you dont have true room to punish a Stego missing

And dont even think to 2v1 or play in disvantage, you lose

Trike should be the animal that I should fear off facing , not Stego

[viscid mica]

I mean they get pretty equal reward, Rex does more damage and applies fracture and bleed while stego gets way more bleed but yes Stego gets better follow up value than Rex

You really wanna bait attack as Rex before going to try and get hit off without getting face or body hit

[frosty heron]

Sameish damage , 1000 to 950 but Stego cranks a lot of bleed , while fracture is good you dont left Stego unsafe , it can still powerswing

[stark ether]

Stego shouldn’t be approachable by a rex from the rear without an ambush (baiting aside).

I do think that stego should take longer to raise/lower the tail though. So a rex has a proper chance to get up on it before the stego can power swing.

[viscid mica]

As it should because fracture is already op enough it don’t need to be even stronger

[frosty heron]

Also I shouldnt be trading if im landing a crush

[viscid mica]

I could agree, they also need to like… remove tactile endurance it’s op

[pseudo ember]

Pretty sure it’s a bug

[frosty heron]

Happens pretty consistently

[viscid mica]

If you both throw out attacks at the same time it will happen

[stark ether]

Yeah, bad mutation.

Just make stego not permanently have power swing up instantly and the matchup is fine now with the bleed buff.

[viscid mica]

Only if one hits first does the others get cancelled

[viscid mica]

Ya tactile makes stegos especially a slog to fight because they can unapologetically spam

[frosty heron]

Also the stun on tail hits should be removed too

[viscid mica]

No

[pseudo ember]

Oh ye

[viscid mica]

Or wait do you mean like the stego hitting you or the Rex tail getting hit?

[frosty heron]

Whats the logic of hiting the tail and getting 3 seconds of stun?

[viscid mica]

Oh ya ok agreed sorry

I thought you meant stegos attack period

[frosty heron]

Stego hitting Rex tail and getting stunned I mean

[stark ether]

Yep. Stego’s power level is so good right now, it just doesn’t have to care about timing/stamina consumption as much as it should.

Stego sees a solo Rex coming that’s the same size/skill? Should win if it puts up power swing in time.

Rex gets on a stego either by ambush or by group play before it gets power swing up? Should most likely win thanks to fracture, but still risks bleeding out.

[viscid mica]

Tails in general should only provide 40% of actual damage value and not apply any special effects beyond equally low bleed

[frosty heron]

Sometimes you can´t bite on CC cooldown and leave because the Stego hits you while doing the move

[eager saddle]

Pretty sure that’s not a thing. Just a latency thing registering it as a body hit

Which is partly due to hitbox shenanigans

[viscid mica]

It is meant to keep Rex’s from jsut spamming through the stegos attacks

But yes it can feel pretty oppressive

[solid wyvern]

Why is time of raising/lowering tail of stego even an issue lmao

Just remove tactile and stego will be balanced

[viscid mica]

@latent hamlet your counter play is not going near known or popular deino spots, taking time before approaching water to check if it’s safe and don’t swim like ever there’s no where on the map you have to swim to reach except a select few islands in delta

Generally treat the water like a threat because it is

Rule 4 of Evrima never trust the water

If you want some tips on locations to drink from that are usually safe/safer I’d gladly outline a map for you

[dusky surge]

Imma be real I think the issue is the deino can now launch itself out of the water at insane speeds and make it to you even if you were nowhere near the water

[viscid mica]

Tis true Tis true but that bug has existed since deino release basically and I have yet to see em patch it out so I dunno if it’s intentional or not

I do believe deino is getting a rework soon though

[thorn mountain]

#balance-feedback message this is something I have not seen in a couple years

[solid wyvern]

He watched too much Metta. "Deinos are a myth", you know

[viscid mica]

XD REAL

tbf I played when deino released so I had a very solid amount of water fear put into me that a lot of newer players don’t know

When not a single source of water was safe

You just kinda had to go F it we ball

And pray

[solid wyvern]

To be fair you can get away with that if you are cera/teno/troo and just cross the water carelessly if distance from land is short and deino not prepared

[viscid mica]

True they do swim rather fast, max entomb cera with swim mut can out swim sprinting deino 😂

[solid wyvern]

Also usually deino wouldn't care about troo

[viscid mica]

Meh isle players have the incessant need to KOS

[solid wyvern]

Lmao

[viscid mica]

You ever wanna see deino go “HEH?” Just max entomb cera with hydrodynamic and swim in a straight line watch them blast through their stam using lunges to catch up

[solid wyvern]

But what if deino also have hydrodynamic?

[vale brook]

if its max entombed, evil

but whos really getting a max entombed deinosuchus

[solid wyvern]

But yeah cera would feel itself very comfortable in swamp once bary will be added so there will be constant tug of war between them

[viscid mica]

New challenge acquired

[signal fable]

Over a year later and I still go with the "F it, we ball" approach. I don't feel safe even in the shallows or narrow river ways... Hated the way I got jumpscared while drinking water. Pretty sure I dropped my mouse at one point

[viscid mica]

lol

[maiden temple]

Considering the stats at full prime it might be one of the best ones to get, you're still a unit even grown

Getting there is a whole another story

[frosty heron]

I can´t remember the last time I got grabbed by a deino , it could be years now , its so easy to avoid them

[eager saddle]

Yeah well counterpoint. The new lunge is a little nuts

That should get fixed, but aside from that you’re right

[topaz axle]

hey devs prob wont see this but their needs to be a counter to the allo pin, it is op

[viscid mica]

Rn pouncing is bugged

Your supposed to be able to knock them off with trees and rocks and what not but you can’t, beyond that if your small enough to get insta pinned like…. Don’t go near allos or like runaway

[viscid mica]

@random stump bro trying to start a war

[random stump]

idk its compy sized ish

hypsi too...

[viscid mica]

🤣

[real bramble]

Opinion: Allosaur growth time is absurdly short for the amount of power that dino delivers to the user.... allosaur growth time needs to be 6 hours.

Trike takes 8-12 hours to grow and ive been solo killing trikes all day with a dino that grows to 100% in 3 hours and is lethal in under 2.

Allosaur also needs its Pin to be removed. Raptors identity as a dino has been stolen by something that doesnt need to have a grapple. the claw swipe bleed should be the allosaurs identity. a bleeder. like old dilo.

[daring aspen]

not to even mention that pounce for omni/trodon is so buggy desynce, doesnt even work 3/4 of the time.

[crystal wharf]

start? galli and troodon have had beef since day 1

[viscid mica]

They always beefin but this would start a whole street war

[crystal wharf]

i also dont think its physically possible for galli to eat troodon

[viscid mica]

It delivers significantly less power than you think it does 3 hours is perfectly inline for Dino’s of its weight class

By that logic dilo should take as long as Rex’s to grow

[crystal wharf]

both in a, in game math sense, and in a, realistically how the hell is it cramming that thing down its throat, sense

[viscid mica]

XD

maybe a fresh spawn

[viscid mica]

I smell a lot of cap

[crystal wharf]

allo is only being held up by the fact its grapple has no counter, and get exponentially stronger the more allos you stack on a solo opponent

[viscid mica]

Only way your solo killing a FG+ trike as a allo is if your cheating or in a group

[crystal wharf]

if a lone allo just gets face checked by a maia or dibble, it dies painfully

[viscid mica]

Or they dc

[viscid mica]

Literally

Trike gets 1 hit and it’s already over for you

Cera can kinda fight allo 1v1 it’s just hard cuz if the allo just spam bites you lose unironically as long as they don’t miss

[soft tiger]

hum I believe these bushes need their collision turned off. Theres a nbunch like this around the map.

[viscid mica]

As dondi wanted XD

Prolly didn’t acc for Herrera

[soft tiger]

lols he took it from the tree branches and gave the collison to the bushes..

[maiden temple]

What I'd want for rex leg break would be something straight out of an old dino fighting game, a pull and bite on the leg.
The normal crush can still bone break, but it should be body breaks, it always hits from above onto the body anyway

It would be fun to look at too

https://youtu.be/R-BelrkgVus?t=104
Like this, but beautiful isle style animation

[viscid mica]

@spiral ledge dib should always win the ones if equal % unless skill issued

[spiral ledge]

Yeah i have played a lot with allo vs dibble , if the dibble is a mid player you can killed if is a pro dibble you don't even hit it

I mean the good thing is that if you see a pro you can run away

But right now the allo diet for most of us is being canni

Because we can’t kill stegos , rexes or trike , dibble depends of the skills , the preys of allo right now are : Maia , teno and cera

[eternal sail]

You just have to abuse latch stun

Unless we’re talking about a 1v1

[spiral ledge]

We are talking 1 vs 1 , very hard in all ways for allo , I mean they can be 6 dibbles and only 3 allos

[eternal sail]

Oh 1v1 allos aren’t supposed to be able to take down anything bigger than a dibble

[spiral ledge]

and what we eat?

[dusky surge]

Not an adult dibble lmao

You also have your choice of AI, smaller herbivores, juvis and so on

Like are you actually arguing for allo to beat dibble in a 1v1 lol

[spiral ledge]

haw many times you have seen a juvie dibble alone ? I mean 3 .7 hunter should be able to hunt not only 100kg herbs xd

[steep gazelle]

Allo is 5km faster than Dibble, so he shouldn't have a high chance of winning in a 1v1

[dusky surge]

If you can only hunt 100kg herbivores as the dinosaur with a pin mechanic I think at that point you should consider not playing allo anymore

[steep gazelle]

Rex and Trike should be more or less like that too, although currently almost everything is in Rex's favor, even the bugs xd

[spiral ledge]

you was the guy that says , that was good that allo have pin mechanic when i argue that is was a bad idea XD

[dusky surge]

The fact that crush ignores locational damage feels like it was explicitly added to screw over trike lmao

[spiral ledge]

i mean when you have to be canni to survive is not good for a specie

[dusky surge]

You don’t have to be canni to survive lol, unless your species is insanely overpopulated

[spiral ledge]

what things can allo hunt , told me?

maias, tenos and ceras nothing more

[dusky surge]

That’s the thing with being an animal built around grapple and pack hunting

Solo, you hunt AI, juvis and smaller creatures

In packs, you can hunt larger things

Same as what raptor does

[spiral ledge]

Only dinos alone ....., I mean 6 dibbles vs 3 allos , 5 maias vs 3 allos , the unique mid hunter cant hunt anything alone xd

[dusky surge]

I adore how you take the group limits as gospel or as anything that matters lmao

[spiral ledge]

told that to the utahs and companies xd

[warped zenith]

@dusky surge i see....

[dusky surge]

Why ask to change it? If it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t need changes

Also a little weird that you only want it for allo

[warped zenith]

what an absurd thought, normal for u to think like that

[warped zenith]

for all carnivores, I don't care

[spiral ledge]

Nah allo only wins if the dibble have a big skill isssue

[warped zenith]

just because you think it doesn't matter doesn't mean it doesn't really matter or the people don't care

[steep gazelle]

Group limits don't really matter on official. But in Unofficial with rules They make a big difference

[warped zenith]

for you*

[warped zenith]

if it doesn't matter, why don't people let there be 10 max of group in carnivores?

[dusky surge]

Reduce allo’s group size to 1 if it doesn’t matter

Same argument, equally silly

[steep gazelle]

Yes, and that's exactly how it should be. An allo shouldn't be able to face a Dibble player of equal skill and have a good chance of winning. If Dibble is bad, that's a different story, and Allo should win if it's good enough

[dusky surge]

Just because group sizes are effectively just suggestions doesn’t mean we should arbitrarily make them massive

[steep gazelle]

This doesn't matter on OFFICIAL servers...

[dusky surge]

If it doesn’t matter, why let carnivores make groups at all?

[steep gazelle]

And, well, also on unofficial PvP servers

[eternal sail]

2 allos can basically kill anything besides maybe a trike

Or an adult Rex

[spiral ledge]

ok 3 allos and 3 dibbles fair no?

[eternal sail]

You either find a pack mate or just subsist off of scavenged kills or smaller herbis

[warped zenith]

no, dont should lol, u are wrong

[frosty heron]

Don´t waste your time here , they want carnivores to be picked less so their life must be miserable and unfun

[eternal sail]

If you want to solo kill apexes or adult dibs play Rex

[spiral ledge]

they want that carnis only survive from Ia not from hunt

[frosty heron]

Imagine growing a 3.7 ton Carnivore to live hunting juvis

[dusky surge]

No, why reduce the group size of dibble lmao

[eternal sail]

If you group allo is insanely powerful you can guaranteed kill a prime elder stego with 2 FG allos

[steep gazelle]

If Allo's speed is reduced to 34-35 km/h, then he should have a good chance of winning

[eternal sail]

As long as you play it right

[spiral ledge]

it is very sad

[warped zenith]

does matters, I don't care if it doesn't matter to you lol

[frosty heron]

People says pack numbers doesnt matter , ima say it does , I rarely find a solo Stego/Trike

[golden coral]

Isn't allo pretty powerful, what with all the complaints about pin?

[dusky surge]

That’s why the grappler animal tends to want others of its kind to hunt with

[steep gazelle]

?? Xd

[warped zenith]

??????????????????????????????????????XD

[spiral ledge]

to be equal with allo, or pack limits doesnt care?

[eternal sail]

You can pinslop most other carnis lmao

[warped zenith]

same for u xd

[golden coral]

But the entire point of that was that official hard limits do not actually mean much, in the sense that people group anyway

[frosty heron]

Bleed is powerfull if you manage to latch onto something , ive not playing it long but it doesnt feel stupidly overpowered

[steep gazelle]

This guy is a bit exotic...

[spiral ledge]

but the unique mid tier should be able tto hunt his preys and the dinos from his diet? but right now they can hunt 3 of the 6 dinos of the list

[dusky surge]

It shouldn’t be equal with allo.

[eternal sail]

It’s overpowered with 2+ allos because latch is bugged and rocks don’t work to get them off anymore

[golden coral]

Fair, I don't know, I just see a lot of people asking for allo pounce/pin to go, making it seem like that is the main power of the allo, and I guess everyone else now knows how omni victims feel like, so that's hilarious at least xD

[eternal sail]

Wrong reply oops

[eternal sail]

Most of the carnis in this game are pack hunters that’s just the way it is

[frosty heron]

I can just body an entire 3 Allo pack with a Stego with a single hand , is all I can say

No matter the size

Funny thing Allo does better hunting Trike currently

[spiral ledge]

why? they are more strog

[eternal sail]

They’re just bad then. I can guaranteed kill any solo stego with 2 or more allos

[dusky surge]

Also muen has a good point, reduce allo’s speed by 5km/hr so it can be “equal with Diablo”

But obviously, we shouldn’t do that, because each creature has unique advantages

[eternal sail]

You just abuse latch stun and have someone tank a hit

All you need to do is get the timing down

[frosty heron]

Oh yeah so bad , one of them latched doing a team play and I just knocked it off with the powerswing

[eternal sail]

Power swings don’t knock off latched Dinos?

[dusky surge]

Allos are faster and better at killing larger creatures in groups.

Dibbles have larger groups (for those who care) and are better at 1v1s with similar sized creatures

[frosty heron]

It currently does

Reason could be unitended like a bug

But it does

[dusky surge]

I’ve watched it quite literally whiff an allo directly on the stego idk what you mean

[frosty heron]

Yall just see what yall want to see lma

[eternal sail]

Definitely does not or is not consistent/a bug I have a 7 minute replay of a stego power swinging both sides while latched and against a rock and allos not coming off

They just jumped off when you went to swing or it was a bug

[dusky surge]

Okay, I want to see an allo get knocked off by a stego power swing, show me

[frosty heron]

Ima make sure next time I record it , just like I did with Stego and Trike escaping from pins

[spiral ledge]

Yep rex oneshot allos , trikes same and pounce doesnt work on stego xd

[eternal sail]

I can send you the drive link if you want

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859369469482631168/1457497734201475293/image.png?ex=695c380a&is=695ae68a&hm=53a1bf1f0460e8266ebd401c6ef4d5ea79cc60ed4c4092001e736b3184809d07& this is also from that fight

[frosty heron]

Go ahead , I dont have that fight but I do have Stego escaping from Pin and hiting you

[eternal sail]

Allo is such a buggy mess you can abuse it very easily to kill stegos

[dusky surge]

Rex oneshot dibble and is faster than it, trike also one shots it, and stego just beats it to death

What’s the point being made here

[frosty heron]

Whats the ping on that clip?

[spiral ledge]

.

[spiral ledge]

Allos are faster and better at killing larger creatures in groups.

[dusky surge]

Which they are

[eternal sail]

50ish

This is a consistent bug with rocks

Lemme get on my pc to send the clip it isn’t a visual bug

[frosty heron]

Then each one has his bugs

[eternal sail]

Did you knock them off with power swings consistently?

Or was it just once

[frosty heron]

The one fight one managed to latch I did

The other fights I just managed to not let them latch

On stable 48 ping btw