balance-feedback-discussion

[finite shadow]

It got changed this HT

[kindred barn]

damn really?

[finite shadow]

Running stomp now does 450

Yea maia does way more dps

[kindred barn]

shi my fault

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[winged prism]

@tight cove maybe not 15% more like 5-3 to every mother if the baby cant even eat yet

[tight cove]

I think 5% or 3%is too low to be worthwhile for most ppl and I want the buff to last until the baby is at least 25% grown

@winged prism

Maybe the buff could get lowered to 10%

[winged prism]

around that probably yeah i mean getting 5% bite force to a prime rex is pritty big and the main point of babys is haveing fun and makeing ur group bigger

[tight cove]

I only want this buff for Maia

Currently Maias nest buff is so bad nobody even knew it existed so the devs buffed it but it’s still trash and forgettable 😭

[winged prism]

maia is already very good but ok right now i dont see a single herb killing a rex

[tight cove]

And Maia’s name means good mother I’m pretty sure so I would want it to have a buff that reflects that

[winged prism]

it had one?

[winged prism]

then yeah only to maia

or all herbs

[tight cove]

See what I mean? LMAO it was so bad nobody knew it even existed 😂

[winged prism]

i also never had babys as maia

[tight cove]

Another reason why I want Maia to have a good buff

Gives ppl a reason to nest more

[tight cove]

That’s fine

I don’t expect Maia to kill a Rex with the new buff

[winged prism]

i just want the rex nerfed a lot cuz i just lost a prime allo to a rex that just got sub he was able to pin me

[winged prism]

that is true but a prime stego cant to that or barely can

[tight cove]

Stego stuns Rex now and does crazy bleed so stego can fight a Rex now

[winged prism]

for me the game was kinda unplayable cuz of cheaters and now rexes

[winged prism]

when did it get that buff

[tight cove]

Ngl bro Rex got changed and nerfed recently im pretty sure so u just got unlucky

[tight cove]

Like last week

[winged prism]

i lost my 80% stego wasent prime sadly to a prime rex he did have a teammate who just didnt join the fight it was pinning me down while i hit it in the head 6 times with my tail

prime stego needs to do that 7 times

do u consider 1 pin joining the fight?

[tight cove]

I don’t know the exact numbers but what I do know is that if you was a prime stego you probably would have bled him out but overall u would have still died probably because he had a teammate

[tight cove]

Yeah

[finite shadow]

perhaps it could be a 3% buff that stacks with each baby

[tight cove]

Can’t Maia have like 8 bbys though? That’s why I’m worried about having it stack

[winged prism]

ok then he did kinda join but the other he was just face tanking me i still would have died but 1 kill would have been enough for me cuz i wasted 6h to get mauled to death

[tight cove]

It’s unfortunate you just got unlucky, because if u was a prime u could stun rex so he couldn’t face tank you, also did you try running? Ik stego has more stam than rex now

[finite shadow]

im not sure but your not always going to have 8 kids and due to them being small and fragile players can kill them easily to get rid of the buffs or take the adult maia far enough away from the kids to where it doesnt take effect anymore

[winged prism]

sanctuary and when i saw them they were next to me so i didnt think about that

[tight cove]

True but it just concerns me because as it is rn it’s very easy to spam making eggs since it only takes about 5 mins to incubate an egg and ppl join eggs all the time

But it could be tested in a HT in interested to see what happens but I got a feeling Ik what will happen 😂

[tight cove]

Yeah that sucks, u just got unlucky it looks like

[finite shadow]

if we lowered maias damage back to what it used to be you could keep the 3% stack or have it possibly be 5%

[tight cove]

@winged prism Now that Rex is in the game you have to be extremely aware of your surroundings and you have to be very careful growing or you’ll just die

[finite shadow]

its a tad overtuned atm imo

[winged prism]

i have been unlucky the entire time when i returned to the isle after 8 months i have been dying all the time and only to rexes stego idc that much but my prime allo got killed by a rex that just got to sub it was smaller than me but able to pin me

[winged prism]

ik

[tight cove]

I agree, the new Maia dmg buff makes Maia op 💀

[finite shadow]

even with 8 kids and a 3% damage stack per kid its stomp would be doing 434 with its old damage

[indigo rain]

Robot id reccomend just taking Prolific Reproduction if you want that effect on your babies. It does the same thing but doesnt have a set range. Atm baby maias gain 5% stam regen if near their parent

[tight cove]

When did this happen? When u got pinned by the Rex?

[winged prism]

1h qgo

Ago

[tight cove]

5% stam buff that’s it? Not enough of a good buff then

[tight cove]

That’s weird, Ik with the new changes Rex is only able to pin something that’s half its weight im pretty sure, were you low on hp or stam?

[winged prism]

Worst part is that allo escaped death 5 times it got revived twice one time i just used the bug and went inside a rock i was 10% hp body and leg fracture 2 other times rexes barely missed me

[steep otter]

Yeah os very lame tbh

[indigo rain]

Yep. Not even a relevant buff as babies have infinite stam. I suggested a while ago that they get to move the same speed as their parent when close which would make maia life so much less painful when nesting

[winged prism]

Was 80% stam full hp got ambushed and pinned cuz i was checking the for a water spot and later when i lost 50% of my stam cuz i got on his side and thrown off

[tight cove]

Good idea

[winged prism]

I just hate rexes more than anything i want them nerfed more or just removed i have even considerd that cheating should be alowed but only against rexes

[tight cove]

Damn, the only thing that comes to my mind is that his weight was higher than what his model suggested so that’s a bs death BUT I will say honestly bro after I got pinned the first time and lived I would have ran why did u still fight him after getting pinned? 😭😭😭

[indigo rain]

Just play on unofficials that dont have them then

[winged prism]

Hes model was 0.6 times my size and i had no where to run cuz of a river and 2 prime rexes who were drinking in a pond nearby thats why i was checking the map i also have 1 monitor so when i heard it i was already up and later got pinned again

[tight cove]

I really doubt any of the popular unofficials will have Rex fully removed tbh it will just be limited at best💀

[winged prism]

I cant be stego on petis thats why im not takeing that server

[tight cove]

😭💀

[winged prism]

Before dibble when i started stego was kinda my safe spot cuz it was good and if u patient kinda un killable

[tight cove]

It still kinda is but the only difference is you gotta make it to prime first 💀

Overall though it sounds like you having a tough time with rexes so I suggest you should play Maia

@winged prism

[winged prism]

I have a better idea called going to ply beasts of Bermuda where the devs care about the players and dont just tell u that its a you probleem if a cheater kills you also they prevent mix packing

[spiral bane]

So nerf stego when 2 allos can hit 5 attacks on it and bleed it out

Disagreed.

[maiden temple]

If it didn't look so bad in so many ways, maybe

[winged prism]

Bermuda dosent look bad

[maiden temple]

It does, at least compared to the big 2 dino games

It looks like a polished roblox game honestly

[winged prism]

It has worse graphics than the isle but it works and has more to it its kinda better in every other way

[rotund maple]

thats being too nice, it looks exactly like a roblox game

[maiden temple]

Snake slithering animation is nice and it has great weather events, that is all I can give it. Animations are jank, movement = sliding, pretty much everything underwater looks hilarious, combat looks absolutely awful, the UI is beyond atrocious. It honestly is lacking in way too many ways to even consider

[winged prism]

https://tenor.com/view/lotta-words-wow-thats-a-lot-of-words-not-reading-that-not-reading-wow-gif-26878516

[maiden temple]

Sorry but you have to be blind not to see all this

[winged prism]

So what ur saying is that all u care about is looks?

[rotund maple]

Keep it short for him, more than 5 words confuses him

[maiden temple]

Not really, I play games that are very minimalistic like Rimworld and Project Zomboid for example

[maiden temple]

I'm trying

[winged prism]

Project zomboid looks good

[maiden temple]

I agree. Pixel art and simple models can be pretty it their own way

[winged prism]

So what were u trying to prove here

[maiden temple]

Nothing? I am telling you I don't focus solely on looks

I pointed out why I find the game lacking/looking awful, if you cared to 'read all that'

[winged prism]

Dosent look like it if ur only problem about it Bermuda is looks

[winged prism]

I did and i dont agree with it

[maiden temple]

I guess we just have different standards for what we are willing to play/pay for then

[somber imp]

bermuda is so much better game its crazy

looks better , runs better , more things to do , better updates , more dinos , bigger maps , more maps amazing

[maiden temple]

[somber imp]

oh lala hello

long time no see

[maiden temple]

Hello

[twilit seal]

I mean the dinos look like toys, its what putting me off that game too, graphics and the camera angles etc are just not it

It just has bad visuals and neon colors

[quick socket]

The games super fun though. At least used to be before auto revive and gauntlet. It does not try to be similar with the isle, there's no point comparing. And animations are super good in bermudaz and their sound design is great and immersive. And neon skins grow on you over time

[winged prism]

Exactly u get it

[maiden temple]

Neon skins are a curse, they always ruin immersion and make otherwise decent models look cheap

I can't get over the muffled sounds as well, now that we're talking sounds

The clarity of sound on this game is just so This part is overlooked so often so it makes evrima stand out even more

[indigo rain]

#balance-feedback message

Because carno is the second fastest dino in the game and can run from its problems is the simple answer.

[steep otter]

if carno gets larger group size it makes omnis, dilos unviable

[solemn thunder]

I didn't say to increase carnos group size, i said to decrease ceratos group size

[solemn thunder]

Carno can barely escape ceratos with its abysmal stamina and slow trot speed, plus ceratos have insanely broken tracking

[steep otter]

There is 0 problems with 4 ceratos

[steep otter]

Carno and cera have the same stam time now

[solemn thunder]

Cera still trots way faster

[steep otter]

And carno is way faster can get a large distance from cerato, rest and by the time cerato manages to trot up to you, already have plenty of stam

[solemn thunder]

absolutely nnot

have you ever played carno at all?

[steep otter]

a lot, in ht at least i have 0 issues with ceratos i just far away enought that they either give up or by the time they found me i run aqay again and again

[valid robin]

Ngl only way you get ran down on carno by Cerato rn is if you’re wildly blowing all your Stam running around the map

It got massive buffs to both stamina pool and regen

[steep otter]

Yup its easy to avoid them now

Small rexes are more a danger to u them ceratos are

[placid jasper]

When grabbed by a croc—does it always completely drain your stamina? I just experienced that and couldn’t run away after he hit a rock and let go of me

[vale brook]

yep

well it does stamina damage, so the croc could theoretically let you go before you run out of stamina

[golden coral]

@earnest gull Up stego growth to 9-10 hours, and it's all good. That's all that needs to be fixed, really. Especially considering stego doesn't do much damage anymore, though the bleed is lethal (bar mutations to save you)

[finite shadow]

@kindred pulsar so now instead of allo having to pounce something for a long time to deal lots of bleed they only have to pounce for a moment? Sounds horrible to play against tbh

[kindred pulsar]

With obvious heavy stam costs to balance making it a high risk high reward of being countered on dismount, it rewards good timing and patience but punishes overuse

[valid robin]

@tight cove, I'm literally watching cera mains swap to maia because they can hunt players better, and people out here trying to tell me this makes sense from a balance perspective, literally holding my head in my hands

[tight cove]

deadass 😭 💀

[valid robin]

I really wish I was making a funny, but I'm just not

[tight cove]

this amount of dmg should be saved for para not given to maia, maia is way to fast to be this strong

maia does like 600 dmg a combo

[valid robin]

there's literally no other dino in the game that can 100-0 something else that is the same speed as it outside of tiny tiers

[tight cove]

the ppl who don't think maia's dmg is a problem either just wanna abuse maias dmg for themselves or are just ignorant, maia was legit PERFECTLY fine just the way it was before the buff, it could fight everything that was faster than it and easily run away from anything it couldn't.

[valid robin]

ngl i thought maia was really strong before the buff

[finite shadow]

Wym countered on dismount, like allo dismounts and is still in range of being hit? A heavy stam cost also just sucks

[tight cove]

it was

if you knew how to play maia it was lethal

[valid robin]

im literally watching vids of maias like 6 v 1 vs omnis and dilos and winning

and it used to not 100-0 them

[dusky surge]

The issue and reason Maia got the changes was that the “good mother lizard” was actually just terrible at defending their young from basically anything. The idea was to buff its ability to brawl and scare off hunters so that the young aren’t just abandoned and killed at first sight of danger

[valid robin]

i am telling you, based on my experience playing in a more pvp centric community, people are going to take these buffs and play maia as a killing machine

[tight cove]

so did nobody think of just giving it a parental buff?!?!?! i legit posted about maia having a parental buff the other day, no way it would be that difficult to implement

the devs legit picked the worse option

[valid robin]

I would be totally fine with that

[dusky surge]

It has one, that also got buffed

[valid robin]

a 50% to 300% damage buff on all attacks seems crazy to me

[tight cove]

its useless still especially since juvi stam is damn near infinite anyway...

[valid robin]

this was a dino who can maybe even 6 v 1 preds of the same speed

[dusky surge]

They also wanted sub-Maia to be less defenceless with actual combat capabilities to compensate for other lacking stats

[valid robin]

idk man this build is gonna go live an the number 1 predator is gonna be maia

[tight cove]

avearge isle balance 💀

[valid robin]

people will make killsquads and hunt other players, I literally know the people who were doing this last patch

[tight cove]

here comes bird 👀

[steep otter]

Maia is fine no need for nerfs

[keen plover]

Idm the damage too much, cc needs looking at though

[valid robin]

actually i think you're right

[steep otter]

Dibble and teno are the ones struggling

[dusky surge]

The best nerf you can give to Maia (and stego) is nerfing tactile endurance

That’s it

[keen plover]

That as well

[valid robin]

bro i've tried to grow dibble twice, take a wild guess what killed me

[tight cove]

they both need rework but dont ignore the fact that maia is top predator now

[valid robin]

ngl dibble is really weak it could use a buff

[tight cove]

I mind because maia has both the speed and power to just straight up wipe the other mid tiers and if things go bad its " haha lol i can w+ shift and youll never catch me again." also to be fair this is partially to blame with tac endurance being op

[steep otter]

Ite super weak to bleed iam seing allos kill it kinda easily tbh

[steep otter]

Teno needs help too

[valid robin]

allo just does more bleed in 1 claw swipe than like 4 omnis emptying all their stam

[tight cove]

the crazy thing is even if the devs nerfed or removed tac endurance i can bet the devs would just buff maia stams or reduce the stam cost for attacks 😐

[valid robin]

tbh idk enough about teno, haven't tried to play it

i think part of tenos problem though may just be how overtuned allo is

[tight cove]

the only problems im aware of rn is that allo is to fast for teno, and cera prime and carno prime just violates teno

[valid robin]

ye, devs should make teno able to fend off carno without too much difficulty, but as long as teno prime is like 40-41 kmh shouldn't really matter if cerato is mildly stronger in combat

[kindred pulsar]

It currently does this already. They don't leap away like raptors do, and shouldn't because of their weight. Meaning a well aimed and timed counter altswing from a diablo or something could hit it still.

[dusky surge]

Cera prime is slower than adult Cera, teno can just run

[hasty coyote]

Then they should have nerfed its offensive and buffed its defensive capabilities, not buff everything, and not buff it to this ludicrous degree.

Plus the issue with the juvie is that they are given the speed of a slightly motivated cabbage. That’s the core problem. If the juvies could run with the adults, they wouldn’t get abandoned and the adults would be able to cc the target to let the children escape easier. But just buffing all its attacks is gonna do is allow good Maia players to just run around and kill anyone smaller than allo who tries to fight or can’t juke.

Funniest part of it all? The fact it did nothing to help Maia parent well since the vast majority of players are gonna be allos and Rexes, things the parents are just gonna have to ditch the babies and run from.

[tight cove]

ok good

[tight cove]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[finite shadow]

It does currently leap far enough away to not get hit as the devs changed it, why would I ever pounce something like Rex or trike if it’s going to just nuke me once I go to get off, the devs have acknowledged that this was a previous problem and it didn’t make sense for allo to be punished for using its primary ability

[tight cove]

funny thing is for so long they let pachy suffer that fate of getting punished for using its ability 😭

[kindred pulsar]

omni and troo would like a word, as they still have that problem. Every pounce you have to pray you dont tpose to death

Pounce mechanics need to be looked at and not just copy pasted over to other dinos with little care

[tight cove]

fr

but it seems like the devs want most dinos to have a pounce/ pin 😭

mark my words bary is gonna get an underwater grab ability

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[spiral bane]

Maybe

[kindred pulsar]

Im fine with rex pin as it is a skill dependent ability, with precise aiming. The state of allo raptor and troo makes me so sad.

I say this as an avid omni main who has lost many a raptor to pounce bugging out

[tight cove]

omni is cool i just wish it was more viable

[spiral bane]

Cera is just op

[tight cove]

ngl its just fodder now

current omni for the HT is get prime elder or be fodder

[spiral bane]

Best burst damage in the game, best agility, good speed. No downsides with easy growth and the best access to food.

[kindred pulsar]

It would be more viable if they gave prime raptor more speed and fixed up whatever is going on with their pounce

Right now a 100% prime raptor is a sitting duck

Same with Galli

[tight cove]

https://tenor.com/view/true-kramer-thats-true-true-dat-seinfeld-gif-9432807

[steep gazelle]

@spiral bane Is this bait?

[spiral bane]

I just think allo suffers to much when fighting things like cerato duos

[steep gazelle]

Use the claws

[spiral bane]

Cerato can't bleed out

[steep gazelle]

Allo bleed is so strong that not even cerato and its resistances can withstand it

[spiral bane]

I'll have to test that then

[kindred pulsar]

Wrong actually. Allo claw slash can bleed it out

Very quickly

[spiral bane]

I'll admit I haven't played allo much. But i've seen clips of allos just getting demolished by cerato packs

So much burst damage with no real way of dealing with it

[kindred pulsar]

Then those allos were pinslopping

[spiral bane]

Allo can't pin cerato

[kindred pulsar]

Doesn't stop the bad ones from relying on it

[steep gazelle]

If Tenos could already bleed out Ceratos with kicks, then Allo can do it too, Even easier

[tight cove]

lowkey almost everything does if their good ceras

[spiral bane]

Yep.

[tight cove]

this is also true

[spiral bane]

I think the charge bite should have more downsides and require more specific timing.

Maybe it get's stronger towards the middle of the charge bite, and if you hold it too long it get's weaker.

Because right now, ceratos just use one move and dance around killing everything.

Cerato is the agility based hunter.

[tight cove]

everyone knows cera is very powerful but the devs somehow just keep buffing it every patch, this gotta be a cruel joke 🤣

[spiral bane]

Not the omniraptor.

[spiral bane]

I don't see why it needs to be so strong

It can get food anywhere on the map, it can defend it's food very well. Why does it need the best base stats as well?

[tight cove]

before allos speed buff imo cera was still the overall superior predator, but now there equal which is still crazy to me

[spiral bane]

Yes, anything smaller then stego both cerato and allo are equal in hunting.

The ONLY negative cerato has is worse bleed

[dusky surge]

It can, you can actually break its bleed res with enough damage

[spiral bane]

I didn't know that

I overall just think cerato HAS to fit it's supposed niche more.

It is a unconventially tanky body searcher.

Not just a smaller mid tier

Carno is locked into one niche, yet cerato is not.

[tight cove]

thats why cera is the easiest carni to play besides ptera

[spiral bane]

Cerato can do everything extremely well, not in a generalist way. In an overpowered way.

[spiral bane]

Yes, there is a reason everyone says to play cerato when you start the game.

[tight cove]

honestly now that the devs nerfed stego dmg, cera can actually hunt stego more reliably now

[kindred pulsar]

I'm fairly certain one or two powerswings is still cera seeing the main menu

Especially if its prime v prime

[tight cove]

i think 2 power swings now which does make a difference in a long fight

[kindred pulsar]

But i haven't tested it so don't take my word as law, with the stam cost reduction it ends up the same with tactile also playing a big role

[tight cove]

also the most imporant part is that sub stegos are actually huntable

[kindred pulsar]

Subs yes, absolutely are if theyre bad

But stego is bordering on apex for a reason

[dusky surge]

Actually, no. You hit the cera, you break its bleed res, and now it’s bleeding out at Mach speed

Cera has conditional bleed res

[kindred pulsar]

That is true. If they don't have the sit to not bleed out theyre cooked^

[tight cove]

true i forgot, but even still at least the subs are more huntable

[kindred pulsar]

More huntable, perhaps. Makes them still very very dangerous if they're skilled

[tight cove]

cera has so many abilities its hard to keep track sometimes

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

gotta have the most passive buffs in the game

[kindred pulsar]

I'll stick to my pachy and raptor just because I can't stand being fat slow and cumbersome

Stinky cera cant catch me anyway

[tight cove]

dont do it bro, carno is busted rn your carno fodder

[kindred pulsar]

I'll do it anyway and avoid carno like the plague unless i have a pack

Because Im stubborn

[spiral bane]

How is carno op?

[tight cove]

best of luck to ya but im telling you, if you get knockdown spammed to death your gonna feel different 💀

[spiral bane]

Ram requires skill

[tight cove]

headbutt spam that also does bleed

[kindred pulsar]

Besides the only thing pachy has to do is break it's legs and walk away

Ive done it many times to many angry carnos

[spiral bane]

That needs to be changed yes. Is it more powerful than just biting a downed target?.

[tight cove]

carno can stun you while standing

[kindred pulsar]

For a second, yes, and you break its legs and run away

[tight cove]

knockdown*

[kindred pulsar]

Ive done it before

Many times

[tight cove]

yes i believe so

[tight cove]

alright

[tight cove]

and way faster too

ive seen carnos kill things before the get up animation was even finished using just the headbutt spam

[kindred pulsar]

If the pachy has congen and endurance ain't no way hes killing me before i break his ahh and get away if not kill him

[tight cove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-try-to-warn-you-will-jackson-wentworth-i-did-try-to-tell-you-i-did-try-to-alert-you-gif-22905658

[kindred pulsar]

And ill send clips once the update hits proving you wrong xD

[tight cove]

hopefully carno gets nerfed with the new update 😭

[kindred pulsar]

Rap is a different story. If I get seen by a carno on update ik I'm cooked

[maiden temple]

Juke until you find a rock, it's survivable, you just can't really fight it alone

The headbutt surely isn't meant to be able to be spammed like this, it looks awful and makes the neck origami lol

#balance-feedback message
Smaller crocs used to be faster on land and it was exactly how you were expected to get away from big ones, I wonder why that was changed

I didn't see the newer growth curves for crocs, idk if anyone makes them anymore

[hasty coyote]

because they made them too fast, so at like the 4 ton range you could play land croc, yoink someone like 20 meters from the water, then run them into the water and drown them.

but with all the lunge and stam changes since then, they prob could bring back the speed and be fine.

[maiden temple]

They could, since you can't run while holding a player anymore I think

Land croc was so fun to play too

[hasty coyote]

that and their stam got giga nerfed since then

[tight cove]

@solemn thunder no because it would be impossible for Rex to hunt trike then

[nocturne mesa]

@timber tusk you're too small to grab them

[analog zodiac]

Steg is already 9-10 hours to peak prime I think

[golden coral]

Well, everyone keep referrring to the whole 6 vs 12 hour growth, so figured the easiest and best solution for the matchup is to make stego almost as long, so about 10 hours of growth then. That way people might feel that it's more okay for stego to take on rex.

[analog zodiac]

imo steg time is pretty decend it takes 6 hours to get 6T and a 9,3T rex is like 9 hours, and btw a 9.3T can insta pin a 6T Stego, but the 6T stego can stun. Prime vs prime is like 9 hours (stego) vs 12-14 hours (rex)

[golden coral]

Can it still pin, I thought that was changed? But yeah, if the difference between adults is "only" 3 hours, it's not as bad, same with the prime difference. Still, could add another hour or two for stego, just to make it more acceptable to people if needed.

[tight cove]

@vagrant plover I agree that pins are annoying and do need reworks but what your suggesting isn’t a good idea to me, for example I believe that a 9+ ton rex has the absolute right to pin a Omni And Omni weighs less that 400kg just like how in real life very large animals are capable of pinning down other smaller species.Lastly the devs are actually changing around the pin requirements because recently you have to weigh at least 50% more that your target in order to pin them which is more fair.

[vagrant plover]

Why should he need that ability?

He can do enough damage to kill him without any problem.

Why should he need a mechanic that can grab him from any direction and make him immobile?

And it needs more limitations than just weight.

Pin has fewer application problems than Pounc, even though it's a stronger ability.

Pin should also have a directional limitation so that it only works from behind.

[tight cove]

Rex needs pin to hunt effectively because anything that weighs more than its BF would simply get away after the first bite since rex is slow and pin does have more limitations that weight, it also includes blood level and stamina lvl

Just like how if deino didn’t have its grab it would be useless

[analog zodiac]

rn a 9T steg gets insta pinned by a 12.3T so it should def be the same case for a 6T vs 9.3T

[vagrant plover]

Deino is completely different.

Rex does massive damage and breaks bones, which slows you down

[analog zodiac]

i think adult time is fine maybe to get 9.3T like an hour/half an hour longer

[tight cove]

Rex doesn’t fracture things in one bite, so the target could still get away, also Rex pinning down stuff imo works well and makes sense gameplay wise is and is realistic to since for example a lion is capable of pinning down adult animals smaller than it

[vagrant plover]

And these animals can also escape or fight them of them

There is no guarantee of winning.

[tight cove]

?

U talking about in game or irl

[vagrant plover]

Irl

[tight cove]

Sure it’s possible but odds are very low

[vagrant plover]

And in Game its 0

[tight cove]

Let’s not introduce RNG mechanics in the game though because I can guarantee you’d hate it more than pins 😂

Bucking I think is already kinda rng and look how horrendous it is.

[vagrant plover]

Yeah 😂

But Pounc can be countered in so many ways.

Bucking is just one.

Pin has nothing realy to counter except "just don't be smaller than me."

It's simply unfair to the smaller dinos and implies that their dinosaur is worth less because of its size

[golden coral]

Normally the smaller critter can avoid the thing that will pin it, so there is that

[vagrant plover]

Rex,Allo,Omni pin

[golden coral]

And yes, bucking is RNG and it's not very good

[vagrant plover]

Low,medium,fast

[tight cove]

Ngl imma be straight up, I do enjoy playing small tiers but judging on the time investment to grow them, they are worth less than the bigger creatures, an Omni or dilo will never be as powerful 1v1 than an allo or rex also another important thing I want to point out is that the smaller dino usually has the speed and the agility to easily evade the larger threats that can pin or one shot them so I can honestly say that for example if you get yourself pinned by a Rex #1 you played badly by trying to fight it or mess around with it so it’s your fault you died or #2 the Rex pulled off a really great ambush on you so he earned the kill, you should have just been paying more attention or something.

[tight cove]

Exactly

[vagrant plover]

That's the problem. They're not fast anymore. The Elder Scrolls system has completely messed things up. A Troodon, for example, is 33 km/h when it's not prime .

[tight cove]

At the end of the day your 1hr growth Dino isn’t gonna be as strong as a Dino that someone had to grow for 4 hours or 10+ hours, if I’m an Omni for example and I decide to fight something that’s 10x my size i fully expect that if I get hit once I’m dead 💀

[tight cove]

That’s a completely different problem though

[golden tapir]

Pin counter is not getting caught

If something pins u such as Rex then 99% of the playable is faster than Rex so if u get caught thats on you

[tight cove]

Yup, ppl gotta take accountability for getting caught by Rex

[vagrant plover]

How?

You slow down so much you can't run away. Which is the only countermeasure by pin

[tight cove]

The elder system needs more work, the pin system right now doesn’t because it’s stable

[steep otter]

Guess dibble will not be made smaller after all

[hidden kettle]

#balance-feedback message
@spiral ledge as long as allo wont "just pin" it im totally with ya there.
maia was fine before.

[spiral ledge]

the pin should be removed from allo btw , i am allo main but i hate one botton and win but allo and cera will need to coexist but right now they are easy preys for maia

[remote kayak]

honetly im an omni main and i feel like omni could use a little work IMO because its pretty much a glass house and a dino that relies on stam and its pounce seems to be weak in the stam department when some things can just run it down. especially when other dinos like allo and the rex have a pin mechanic it pretty much makes omni not an attractive playable plus the fact that unless you have a pack its extremely risky to take on an allo or anything bigger than you like even a dibble. Even the ai can kill a bby omni in like 2 hits. Other people may think differently tho.

[tight cove]

Yeah Omni needs a buff or a rework because the thing is fodder 💀

[golden coral]

@steep echo How would that work out with timed strikes? And doesn't herrera already have to manually "activate" the strike from the drop?

[hidden kettle]

100% agree to ya.
im fine with allo pinning something as a group tho. that would just speed up the process.
Allo rely on its claw attack would be awesome, stong and a thing peeps can really learn and be skilled at id say

[hidden kettle]

omni without a pack is a cera without a corpse.. its just not the same joy 😄
but yes omni get pushed out of the fun zone by rex and allo soon .. those biggies need to be hard to grow and to maintain if solo imo..

[steep gazelle]

Cera doesn't need a body to be good

[timber tusk]

Because of the animal they’re from? Cause I’ve definitely flown around with organs before, but maybe from a smaller animal?

[hidden kettle]

thats not what i meant i just wanted to say that a cera with a corpse is like a omni with a pack. both get out more of their potential under certain conditions.
And omni really shines with a good or big pack.

[cosmic pelican]

You cant grab organs from an animal that weighs 22 times more than you, oddly specific number I know

So a 45kg ptera can only grab organs from bodies that are below 1 tons

[hidden kettle]

sounds like pretty lightweight organs to me 😄
a certain weight number it can lift besides organs might be less right ? 😄

[timber tusk]

Interesting, but I guess I know now. Odd that it lets me open the corpse even if the organs are too heavy. I guess I thought that that’s was the gatekeeping mechanic, not lifting a lung. 🤷‍♀️
In the second pick it was a Tenno that got killed by bees, and I couldn’t grab its organs either. I didn’t think Tenno was that heavy, but he was way too big to be in the Baby Zone.

[hidden kettle]

ye you can open bodies even you arent able to pick anything up.

[nocturne mesa]

no, the corpse weighs more than you, thats why.

well, a lot more than you.

[trim swift]

I haven’t played on the HordeTest server since the arrival of Prime Elder and I’d like to know what changes have been made since its creation. What is it like now? Is it still the same as it was on the first day of its release on HordeTest?

[faint robin]

Is rex still breaking trike legs and disabling it in 2 hits?

And can it still do fracture damage through trike's head?

[neon steeple]

I want to touch on the topic of Carnot. Sulfur was added as a scavenger, but it has become a much more successful predator than Carnot. Currently, Carnot on HT feels very weak. He can die even from a small Allosaurus because he loses blood faster than most dinosaurs, which prevents him from running away even if he could. His diet includes Diabloceratops and Mayasaurus, but he cannot use his basic mechanisms to hunt them because they are much heavier than his own weight. Hunting them is becoming a perversion. The historical weight of the Ceratosaurus reached a maximum of 1 ton. Meanwhile, the weight of the Carnotaurus started at 1300 kg and reached 2100 kg. Sera has too much mechanics compared to other predators. I find the current situation with the Carnotaurus unfair. In legacy, the Carnotaurus relied on bleeding.

Here's how I envision a balanced Carnotaurus:
a heavy, fast predator with a weak bite but significant bleeding. The ram falls and causes bleeding.

This way, he can hunt both small and large animals. The gameplay will become more diverse, and he will have a chance against larger predators and herbivores in his diet.

(The translation may not be perfect.)

[hidden kettle]

well you could balance cera and carno by biteforce with a bigger carno haveing much less biteforce but as far as i know they want him to be the role of a smal prey hunter. As such hunter he already is capable of knocking down prey already at a big size compared to his own weight and in terms of biteforce its the same as cerato ( wich is kinda wierd for a bone eating scav to have less/same )
would be fine with a bigger carno if cera can stand its ground with a dead body due to biteforce. could even get a biteforce buff just around the body for that reason.

[neon steeple]

I'm concerned about the historical inaccuracy of their weight and role. I think we can rely on their actual size and adjust the gameplay based on the balance of statistics. The idea of the bloodthirsty Carno has a scientific basis. However, it currently has too many flaws for a comfortable gameplay experience (quickly loses blood, has a critically slow attack speed, takes a long time to recover after being knocked over, and cannot ram large dinosaurs from its diet. This is unfortunate, as it is a very interesting species.

I see the following stats for him: 1800 weight, 52 speed, 115 damage, and +60% attack speed from his current one. bleed to ram and the ability to use it on larger species.

[steep otter]

I have lived long enought for people to say Maia is OP lmao

[steep otter]

It can, but it takes 3-4hits now

Still is stupid that a crush hitting trikes head breaks its leg

[hidden kettle]

60% might be much but i totally understand your point. but speaking from a physical perspective prey way larger/heavier as Carnoto like diaboloceratops and Maia should not be knocked over even by a 2Ton Carnoto.
I understand the Paleontological ideas about your thoughts, but being historical correct would destroy balance in total.
for example a cerato wiht that wide biteing angle (degrees) and teeth it would hurt with way more force and apply deep wounds by teeth long enough to hit vital organs. Or a Stego would literally one shot pretty much anything with a piercing wound leaveing everyone to bleed out and die.

I really respect your thoughts and knowledge tho mate ^^

[hidden kettle]

oh that two things on its head arent legs ?! XD

also yes Maia is freakin strong atm 😄
Lightning McQueen with a baseball bat. 😄

[steep otter]

Tbh Maia is id say balanced now for its size

Its stomped used to not one shot even small dinos on headshot

And Maia is heavy, the size of a elephant

[hidden kettle]

ye maia is kinda fine but imo less stamina use would have done it as well.
Dmg is really big and speed is good too.
Maia just aint fun if it decides to kill everything slower than its 5 Ton cheeks ':D
in that case.. gg just sit and let it happen.. 😄

[steep otter]

Tbh i did not have much issues with Maia at yall but in HT i did not found that manny around tbh, the only one i found i killed it in a 1v1 with my allo, Maia bleeds fast

[hidden kettle]

Well as an Allo its fair imo.
A friend of Mine loves to play Maia a lot so there was some sort of Messing around.
As a cerato.. Theres nothing you can do except of pray it doesnt want your B to be crushed. Stomps Like a croc bite and Runs Like a sub carno. The ultimate crushing machine 😄

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Herbis will probably always have bigger group allowances to encourage players to nest/play in groups. It makes sense in many ways. I wish we could get rid of body camping/pvp mentality around fights with these groups/herds though lol

It's much easier to lose 1 friend/baby and move on to continue your game and grow than to sit in that spot for the rest of the day out of spite. Same with carnis and overkilling

[steep gazelle]

@trim umbra I agree with everything except for the 2% cost for the standing carno heabutt

2% It's too much

Well, adding a cost to the standing headbutt will also add a cost to the running headbutt. So, it's best to leave it without stamina cost until they make those attacks separate

Like dibble running and standing flip

[trim umbra]

Yeah right 😃

IDC whatever they do.......JUST BUFF MY TENO!! 😭

[steep gazelle]

Teno really needs a buff. Teno Prime must weigh at least 300kg more than Prime Cera and Carno, like adults

[viscid mica]

@solemn thunder completely deleting someone’s access to a game for playing around other Dino’s is a wild take. Is it obnoxious af? Yes. Should people be banned for being skillless? No.

If you want freedom from them play unofficial they will cover you unfortunately if you play officials you’re just gonna have to live with it. Deleting peoples access to a game over something so petty is a horrific take.

[solemn thunder]

hordetest doesnt have unofficials

[viscid mica]

Horde test is a optional testing branch

No one’s making you play it

You wanna play Rex and allo? You gotta learn how to live with it

Until they are fully released

Plus like comparably I think the near 50% of server pop openly obviously cheating is a bigger problem than mixpacking (EU experience fr)

[finite shadow]

@zenith ingot allos stamina does drain a lot when its pouncing

[zenith ingot]

ty im not a allo player so im not versed in allo stats

[viscid mica]

@wanton current they do the same damage the original does so if it’s a prime it does roughly 100 they are not capable of headshotting

And yes it’s venom all the clones are is a physical embodiment of DOT(damage over time)

You can climb onto rocks to avoid them btw they struggle with climbing

[quaint forum]

Carno should be able to knock down or stun something up to 2× his weight, but this would only work if the Carno is fully charged and hits the target from the side. When this happens, both the Carno and the target are knocked down, and both take damage.

In a 1 Allo vs 3 Carno situation, the Carno can still use his charge, but it’s risky. If he succeeds, he can buy time for his team, allowing the other Carnos to land free bites on the Allo. It would still require skill and good timing to use effectively.

why its not good ?

[maiden temple]

Charge is considered fully charged the moment you activate it now, no?
You no longer have to have a run up to charge

[quaint forum]

no like 4 scend like before

[maiden temple]

[quaint forum]

so if he turn arownd he can cansel it so its hard to use

its not some thing u can find in any fight

[maiden temple]

I don't think that's how it works, unless you're asking for charge to be changed and I'm misunderstanding you

Reversing charge changes isn't something I can imagine devs doing to be honest

Back then it made some sense as carno was heavy and quite formidable, but clunky. Now it's smaller and more agile

It would be quite goofy if charge was used this way, you'd also have to take recoil damage if you're doing something like this

idk

I just don't see the vision

[dusky surge]

in a 1 allo vs 3 carno situation, they can just bite or run, they don't also need to do massive knockdown

[quaint forum]

how abot 3 carno vs 3.6 T maia ?

[dusky surge]

you can also just bite or run

also if it's 4 tons, it's well above 2x your weight

[quaint forum]

3.6T mb

[maiden temple]

Eggs no longer give nutrients
uuuu

Increased brightness of lowest possible nightvision
What a nice update

[limber delta]

Why the hell would you want MORE stuns to infect this game?

[open wave]

do you guys think there should be a fear system where if youre around another species in close proximity too long it will lower damage to prevent mixpack?

same goes for megaherding too many of your own species thats outside of the animals group limit can handle also does this

[steep gazelle]

Carno can use stationary charge now

[viscid mica]

@winged prism Play unofficials unfortunately deleting someone’s access to a game for something as silly as that is a insane concept imagine your access got revoked for a random galli following you around the map attacking anything you attack

[winged prism]

sound like ur a sissy who mixpacks

[viscid mica]

@quaint forum carno after HT is already plenty strong and can effectively knock down 1.5x its weight any more and your litterally asking it to be able to wipe things it has no buisness fighting

[quaint forum]

its not that op

a lil op maby

[viscid mica]

Sure thing 👍 and if they ever add such a stupid rule I’ll come follow you on a alt and see how amazing it feels to get banned over it

[winged prism]

ud have to esp for that

[simple moss]

No one is gonna force their friends to play 1 specific dinosaur, let them play what they want. they paid for the game, who am i gonna be the one who tells them what to play.

[viscid mica]

When you consider how much damage you can get in, by the time it takes to get up you’d be doing apex damage levels as a very much not apex

[winged prism]

people who want the game to not be stupid other dino games dont allow mixpack and it works realy well cuz it just slowly kills ur dino

[viscid mica]

Theoretically no but practically yes, the point is people could get on alts and get others banned out of spite just cuz it’s bannable

Getting a alt for this game is litterally like 1$

You’d be astonished how many alts real cheaters have

[simple moss]

Okay? Just go play unofficial servers. Like what is the problem. People complain that admins dont do stuff on offical, they complain about mixpack. Just go play unofficial

[winged prism]

it has to be dealt someway

[viscid mica]

Ie if EU1 and EU4 seeing the same cheaters through the entire HT that had been banned openly by admins some 15+ times

[winged prism]

i mean they all true

[viscid mica]

It is you play unofficials

Officials unfortunately will forever be the playground of large groups that wanna play what they wanna play and there’s nothing you can do about it without implementing a system that can be abused

[simple moss]

Only cause they wont tell you they did something doesnt mean they did not do it. I understand your frustration at some points.

[winged prism]

saw a cheater once reported with my friend 2h later it killed us

and now an rushed update

[viscid mica]

Ya unless your lucky admins usually take a lot longer to respond

Unfortunately it’s the reality of a popular game having such a tiny admin team

They honestly don’t have time for mixpackers let alone all the cheaters

[simple moss]

I had no issues of playing for 3 hours roughly

[winged prism]

its not popular

[viscid mica]

Best philosophy to take into the isle is if you can’t stand losing it don’t grow it

[viscid mica]

Popular for a none triple A game

Sorry I’m not comparing it to COD or BF

That’s just stupid

[winged prism]

not even comparing it to them

[viscid mica]

For over 10 years it’s consistently maintained a set player base and even grown

So by my standards for a none triple A in a small genre it’s doing excellent

Especially for the level of ambition

[viscid mica]

Who you comparing it too

[viscid mica]

Why’d you try and dm me?

[finite shadow]

@bold vessel allo does have a cooldown and a missed pounce animation

[limber delta]

The system does in fact work to deter mixpacking/overpacking but it has to be a pretty well implemented mechanic. Beasts of Bermuda has an 'intimidation' system, if you're not in the same in-game group as something, you will give or receive (sometimes both) intimidation, which makes you stressed, reducing your healing rate and sometimes actively damaging you until you die.

The amount of intimidation you give or receive is dependent on size, species, distance, and member count both in and out of group. This prevents situations a lot of people argue would happen, such as 3 herras somehow killing a stego by using this mechanic. As, for this example, the herras would be far too small to affect the stego even if they outnumber it.

[open wave]

this is honestly a really good mechanic im glad you brought it up, it sounds like it works really well
i think also this would settle and start bringing in territorial fights over areas and food because of the meter, makes it feel a little more realistic too and honestly thats something i want to be able to play with. because if im in a pack with 3 omnis and i wanted to intimidate a stranger omni away from our food itd be really cool, it prevents immediate bloodshed and adds tension to gameplay when coming in contact with your own species, especially cannibal species like cerato

health/heal prevention also around mixpacking and lower damage rates due to “fear” or “intimidation” makes them less favorable or desirable to mixpack

i would really love if someone put it in a suggestion for the isle but i personally dont think i could come up with a more thorough idea and also describe it well enough lol

[limber delta]

idk about the territory thing, as the mechanic is pretty close range. Although beasts of bermuda's playables are a lot slower for their size, so the close range is still a problem for mixpacks/megapacks. The Isle would probably need a bit further range to justify its higher speed 🤔

By the time the utah got close enough to get intimidated by other utahs, it'd probably be too close range to risk letting live anyways.

Intimidation is one of my favorite mechanics in any game tbh. In beasts of bermuda there are several playables that operate around the mechanic. For example coah (their version of trike) has a passive that gives higher intimidation than normal, so you really can't afford to be near them for long, they're basically radioactive lol. But since they're so slow, it's more of a defensive passive.

Hoping the isle (and path of titans) one day borrow the same mechanic. There's really no other way to truly fix mix/mega packing rather than having rules on official servers

[open wave]

i do hope that the intimidation/fear thing won't effect combat if it were ever implemented, only because if you are stalking prey and then the meter goes off and suddenly you have lower dmg and health its like @_@ obviously i think you'd have to be around them for a certain time or you must engage in combat for the meter to wear off, but then mixpackers might find a way around, or a loophole of hitting then letting the meter run off. i think it would have to be a PER player basis

i also think maybe it would have to be close range or something not sure . because i know dilo is a night stalker and if it triggered then welp the stalks gone

[vital valley]

#balance-feedback message

While I believe that aggro herbivores are the biggest offenders (as a herbi main) this should apply to everything. The amount of carnivore packs I have formed with people where we have meat and diets that would last us hours just for them to still actively kill anything they saw is pure filth. I believe the solution is not to punish people who kill on sight but to add a bazillion interspecies symbiotic relationships so every single player you can meet could be either friend or foe

[alpine sleet]

so are they doing something about trike vs rex? its sad when youre on the trike side lol

and funny when youre a rex

[steep otter]

Iam assuming rex crush is bugged and not working has intended

[alpine sleet]

how?

[steep otter]

When it uses crush on trikes head it not only stuns it, it also deals fracture damage to trikes body and leg

[alpine sleet]

isnt that intended?

even if you remove that rex stomps, 2 crushes to fracture the leg is crazy imo

stego vs rex is way more even

[steep otter]

I dont think so, its stupid

It should not even stun the trike, its even more absurd that a headbite breaks it leg like?????

[steep otter]

True its very busted

Making trikes head work has a shield again should help, even when using block crush still do full fracture damage

[alpine sleet]

unless they buff trike turn radius, as i remeber they said they would but i dont know

[dusky surge]

they did, but only for juvis and subs

[alpine sleet]

if they did that it could still be an even match even with the 2 crushes fracture

[alpine sleet]

F, people told me it was for adult trikes so rexes couldnt get behind them so easy

[steep otter]

The think making rex X trike The most stupid RN is the crush bugging out

[steep otter]

They dont even need to get behind, headbites are breaking legs

[alpine sleet]

yeah so odd

i dont need trike ill play rex and stego instead

[hasty coyote]

Crush just doesn’t work like most attacks from what I can tell. It’s more similar to a pounce so it doesn’t deal locational damage.

If it hits, it just damages body and legs

[vale brook]

thats the thing tho, its supposed to engage in a spar w/ trike when crushing from the front

[vale brook]

dont you love omniraptor

[dusky surge]

its fans will still call it trash

[primal heart]

I love omni that's why we don't want it ruin the game

25% stamina can kill a standing carno

By bleed

[maiden temple]

Oh my lord what a day

[tight cove]

@solemn thunder what are you talking about bro

[tight cove]

omni's bleed got shadow buffed? interesting

[primal heart]

Because it can pounce MUCH longer.

[tight cove]

interesting but i doubt it changes much tbh

omni is still sadly kinda fodder im pretty sure especially when the devs fix Collison

[solemn thunder]

about rexes agility

i just did some 1v1s against trikes i won every single one

rex is way too agile you can literally just tail ride trike

[tight cove]

could be just skill difference

[solemn thunder]

omnis pounce got a buff it can stay latched 5x longer

[solemn thunder]

no i tested it against 3 different people i can literally just tailride them its so broken

[tight cove]

@solemn thunder did the trike try stationary spar turn in place to counter you?

[solemn thunder]

no

moving around and stuff but i still managed to stay behind it

[tight cove]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-16623591690126329759

[solemn thunder]

im gonna try it some more

but so far i can tell it needs a nerf

[tight cove]

can i try?

[solemn thunder]

its literally like a big cerato

[solemn thunder]

as trike?

[tight cove]

yeah

[solemn thunder]

come on oasis

[primal heart]

Really skill issue.

[tight cove]

ok

[solemn thunder]

whats your ign?

[tight cove]

my name

[primal heart]

My Trike killed many rex

[tight cove]

i never fought rex as trike but as far as im aware as long as you stationary turn he cant getr behind you

[solemn thunder]

i havent tried being a trike yet tho i just tried rex vs trike but me as rex

[primal heart]

4000/6000 when knock down damage is really op

[solemn thunder]

trike should be op

[primal heart]

Rex should too

[twilit seal]

Stego is busted rn you guys should try that

The stun makes it able to get 3 extra hits after which youre just bleeding out

[primal heart]

Indeed

Stego is also op as a 5 hour animal

[twilit seal]

Yeah too strong

[primal heart]

It should cost at least 8hour

[twilit seal]

Not to mention its hitboxes are still bad

[tight cove]

true

[twilit seal]

I mean if you removed tactile and reduced its attack speed it would actually be balanced

[tight cove]

i agree

[twilit seal]

But we probably arent getting any balance changes for like another 2 months

[tight cove]

@solemn thunder can u pls dm me server inv?

[primal heart]

Let devs have a good vacation

They work hard this days

[twilit seal]

And I heard pouncers dont get knocked off still

Tbh other than stego and teno balance is pretty good rn

[primal heart]

Yes, average time is 16 seconds

[twilit seal]

I guess maia is a bit too good too

I mean maia would be fine if tactile was removed also

But i do think the balance is better than how its been in a long time, I like the majority of changes so far

[primal heart]

Maia is kinda op too,it grow as fast as carno and run as fast as omni

And Maia damage buffed too much

[twilit seal]

Damage would be fine alone but they buffed the cc

Like the issue with devs buffing the damage and cc at the same time is that they dont realize, when you stun or knock something you get double damage basically

Cuz you get a follow up you normally couldnt

[primal heart]

True

[twilit seal]

But when you buff damage too, the combination is too much

Like for example maia side kick did like 200? Without a stun, they couldve buffed it to 300

[primal heart]

I saw adult Maia kill adult cerato in 3 second.

[twilit seal]

Now it stuns, AND if you buff it to 300, it does 600 cuz you get a free extra hit

[primal heart]

Yes

[twilit seal]

Same thing with stego

I mean stego is a special case cuz its attack speed is insanely fast

Normally most dinos get 1 extra follow-up hit after a stun

Stego gets 3

[primal heart]

Agree

[twilit seal]

Lemme get some clips my friend sent me ill show it better, its too oppressive

Like this is what I mean, stego gets 1 stun, gets 3 more hits

[primal heart]

Yes, publish it on the Balance Feedback.

[twilit seal]

Also since attack speed is too fast, even after missing a running attack for example, gives too little opening and gets another hit

[twilit seal]

I did already make a suggestion about stego attack speed, like i said we arent getting any changes

But yeah I can repost

[limber delta]

Late response I know but, at least how it works in beasts of Bermuda, is you could only actually see the debuff in the UI menu, which a lot of people wouldn’t check before it was too late. The health also only begins getting reduced when you get very stressed, which requires either a long time or a MASSIVE intimidation (like a coah 3x ur size, but you’d easily see one coming in this case anyways)

The only actual issue I can see is that the isle doesn’t have a stress system so they would have to implement something in the HUD. In Beasts of Bermuda this is simply a circle that changes color near the stamina bar.

[primal heart]

Because they are on vacation

Nothing is eternal. They will always change.

[limber delta]

Holy stunslop… on both ends…

[tight cove]

me and @solemn thunder fought a few times until my game decided to crash, it was fun and it turns out i was correct in saying that when trike uses its stationary spar turn in place its fast enough to counter a rex so that's why i think rex doesn't need an agility nerf. Rex and trike 1v1 just comes down to skill.

[solemn thunder]

insane skill issue on my side tbh

[twilit seal]

Does the hold lmb stun rex?

[solemn thunder]

yes

[tight cove]

i didnt even use it during the fights but i do believe it does

[twilit seal]

It has really good attack speed and does 1100 damage

And like its super fast, doesnt lock you in like regular spar attack or thrash

[tight cove]

nice

also i just saw your post

wtf is that attack cooldown??? did they buff it? why is it so fast??!!?? 😭 @twilit seal

also they need to increase stegos growth time to be comparable to rex and trike if stego is to remain this powerful

[tight cove]

cera really doesn't stand a chance anymore, maia vs allo 1v1 is already 50/50 may the better player win so cera is cooked 😭

[vale brook]

tbf you are fighting a stego in its prime environment alongside not properly setting up an ambush

stego should destroy you for that

[tight cove]

stego is still stronger than both rex and trike

at like half the growth time

and weight

[vale brook]

trike just blocks and gores it and then continues on about its day

rex should not be approaching a stegosaurus in the middle of a massively open space

there is a severe lack of game sense in the idea that rex should be able to approach a stegosaurus in an open area, and not only not take significant damage but also seemingly win?

at that point, what is a stego to do

being in its prime enviorment wasnt enough, being in an area where it cant be ambushed isnt enough

[tight cove]

i understand what your saying but even in a jungle stego would still win and for trike well tbh i do think if a trike loses a 1v1 to a stego that is a skill issue

[twilit seal]

Nobody should get a free pass to playing impatiently and missing half your attacks, but tactile and buffs rewards that

Not to mention, ambush gets you 1 extra hit lol and if a stego reacrs fast enough it literally takes 1 second to get the tail up. Unless stego walks straight into the bush youre waiting, your scenario isnt realistic or an excuse

After stego notices you the fight is gonna be the same thing as in the clip

[limber delta]

Imo both rex and trike need an agility nerf while stego needs a swing cooldown nerf (but a damage buff so the dps is the same)

This way rex v trike will still be even

[tight cove]

all i think stego needs is a slight increase delay on the powerswing and an increased growth time to be comparable to trike and rex and i think it would be perfectly fine, but rn theres no opening to attack the stego and it grows faster than the other apexs while being faster and have more stam than them. its clearly broken

[twilit seal]

Stego has more stam and is faster than rex, and has faster trot stam regen. So it doesnt have to fight either

Its just becoming boring the game rewarding missplays and removing skill impression with hand-holding mechanics and crutches like tactile endurance

Stego also stuns trike too btw

The only argument against the most recent stego and maia buffs are just skill issue. A good maia or stego has become untouchable, they just get a free pass cuz most people on those dinos suck and think they needed these changes

[tight cove]

imo they both already have low agilty so nerfing them more would make them mid tier fodder, also imo stego definitely does NOT need a dmg buff considering its capable of bleeding out a rex in one combo.

[tight cove]

100% agree while i do think the new stego changes are fine, like i said before ^ stego needs just 2 changes and it will be fine also they need to completely remove tac endurance & the mutation that doesn't let you bleed out

[analog zodiac]

@twilit seal a cc nerf is not optional i literally fighted a rex today and it was 50/50 only thing they should nerf is the bleed and its perfectly balanced

rn rex and stego is really skill based

[twilit seal]

No i didnt say cc should get nerfed

Cc should stay

[analog zodiac]

i mean the attack speed mb

[twilit seal]

Attck speed should be slower cuz like, theres no opening

It rewards bad stegos

[analog zodiac]

there is xD

[twilit seal]

Cuz theres no repercussions to missing with recent stam buffs and tactile, and you can just get another hit

[analog zodiac]

i fighted a decent rex and he got same wins as me

just nerf bleed

if its 1.5 sec cd how will it even kill a rex xD

[twilit seal]

Doesnt mean its fine, rex should have the upper hand since its double the growth time, and stego can easily get away unless it gets ambushed. Plus, I have to see the clips to judge how well the stego played too

[analog zodiac]

rex gonna just facetank a steg again since it cant do much dps

[limber delta]

They’re absolutely never going to be mid tier fodder because they’re apexes even with agility nerfs. And stego would have the same dps. I am not asking to increase its damage without first decreasing its attack speed to match.

[twilit seal]

How? You get 1 hit, get 2 more thanks to the stun instead of 3. You run away and let rex chase you. Rex doesnt break you in 1 hit anyway, you have time to play it slow. You should play for the bleed not facetank anyway

You can add 200 extra damage but lower attack speed

[analog zodiac]

there are spots that break u in 2 crushes

[tight cove]

1 sec opening at best tbh if your extremely close to it, but at worse the stego legit just counters your attack like what was shown in aelius video she posted in the balance feedback tab o5r just hits you anyways. 🙁

[twilit seal]

A patient stego wouldnt really eat 2 crushes imo, the stun is a crazy deterrent

[analog zodiac]

dude trus me a rex has such good agility and with its desync u get the crush first before the swing since u need to have crazy reaction time to hit the rex

[twilit seal]

I mean like I said the issue isnt the fight being fair or a 50\50, the stego is faster with more stam and stam regen, takes half the time of rex to grow to adult, and ALSO can stand its ground better than a trike? Isnt that problematic?

[analog zodiac]

rex is like 13 hours to prime

88%

prime steg is 9

[twilit seal]

Ill have a more fair opinion I guess when I get to play myself. Rn im on break so cant judge personally other than talking to people

[twilit seal]

It takes like 5-6 hours to fg as steg, rex takes minimum 8-10 with 200% growth rate

[analog zodiac]

but the thing is adult vs adult is easy in rex favour

[twilit seal]

To 75%

[analog zodiac]

so we need to talk abt prime not adult xD

adult rex insta pins adult steg

[twilit seal]

how come? Cuz of the pin?

[analog zodiac]

yes?

[twilit seal]

But isnt it like a pin that lasts 2 secs then rex lets go

Or can it just pin and kill

[analog zodiac]

first pin rex releases and then 2nd is dead pretty sure

[tight cove]

doesnt matter how big you are, if you cant turn, ( trike already turns kinda slow,) and hit targets behind you, you just die straight up. have you seen allos bleed????? also for your stego idea ok fine i would allow it, but me personally i don't see the point but alright i guess, to me the easier option for stego is just increase stegos growth time to be comparable to rex and trike and increase the cooldown of powerswing

[analog zodiac]

aelius u good at steg?

[twilit seal]

Okay lets talk about primes then in this case, stego is still faster and more stam etc, and takes less crushes to break

[twilit seal]

Yeah I would say im decent

[analog zodiac]

what if i give u the rex i fighted and lets see if u win, for me it was 50/50 with him

rex vs steg is jujst really skillbased

[twilit seal]

I dont have my pc like i said

[tight cove]

is this fr true? if this is true thats crazy fr

[twilit seal]

I cant play myself until like january

[analog zodiac]

it does insta pin but with first crush it aint instant dead

[analog zodiac]

aight im a pretty good steg ima do a vid maybe abt it with like 10 fights

[tight cove]

ok so stego does have options it looks like

[twilit seal]

Also they fixed G cancel

[analog zodiac]

yea but dont really matter bc its dead on the 2nd pin pretty sure

[twilit seal]

If rex misses 1 crush, it gets hit and punished

Stego doesnt get punished if it misses an attack that easily

[analog zodiac]

u literally ahve an opening at the head

always go crush the head, steg cant reach his head with a powerswing

[tight cove]

to me it looks like you either can try to run from the rex or if you can land your powerswing just hit the rex 3 or 4 times then run since he cant chase u or he will bleed out

[analog zodiac]

i even killed a prime steg as an adult rex

so i think prime should def have the upperhand

[twilit seal]

Are you talking about an aggressive stego that chases or a defensive one

[analog zodiac]

i would say more aggressiv

[tight cove]

wrong way to play vs a rex 😭

if the stego has its tail facing you GOOD LUCK crushing him 🤣

[twilit seal]

I mean thats how you leave your head open then

Like since stego has a stun now, youre not forced to play aggro

[tight cove]

1 combo from a stego and rex bleeds out i think

stego is crazy strong

if you play stego defensively and dont get ambsuhed no way you die to rex

[twilit seal]

Rex loses 0.5 blood every second from a steg

[tight cove]

what about while running?

[twilit seal]

Not sure

[tight cove]

also is that from one power swing or multiple?

[twilit seal]

Ive just been asking friends to test stuff for me

[analog zodiac]

ever heard smth abt 180?

[twilit seal]

I think 1 jab?

Like the standing power swing

[analog zodiac]

its literally a good way since when u tail ride a rex he cant turn around and u can 180 stun him

[tight cove]

interesting, needs more testing though

i think that number may be wrong

[tight cove]

no reason to go for a running power swing as a 6 ton stego againts rex most of the time

your regular powerswing stuns him anyways

[analog zodiac]

brother first of all i said prime

and the 180 does more dmg and bleed pretty sure

[tight cove]

my bad

[twilit seal]

Yeah it does

[tight cove]

indeed

so if your a prime stego vs a prime rex the stego has an even bigger advantage

[twilit seal]

But idk, like rex can turn pretty fast to get a crush on your face, I would probably play aggro too tho cuz thats just my playstyle

[analog zodiac]

no i fighted the steg as an adult rex

and he was prime

[twilit seal]

Btw sand does crush still give you body+leg frac instantly?

Or just gives body fracture now?

[analog zodiac]

nah leg too i think

[tight cove]

a prime stego losing to a regular adult rex sounds like a skill issue to me

[analog zodiac]

didnt pay attention

[analog zodiac]

idk or rex just has the upperhand in once if its patient

[twilit seal]

Idk like stego has always been untouchable in right hands

I feel like its just a skill issue on stegos side in that case

[tight cove]

I doubt that, I’m willing to test this if you want tomorrow because I’m finna gts soon

[twilit seal]

Like people are just so used to seeing bad stegos and bad maias, they dont comprehend how crazy the buffs are in right hands

[tight cove]

In my mind no way a prime stego should lose a 1v1 to a regular adult Rex especially given how op stego is rn 💀💀💀

[analog zodiac]

and im not even a good rex

i never really played rex in horde so idk

[twilit seal]

I think rex is a pretty easy playable if you understand the game enough

Its like cera

[tight cove]

Fr, Maia rn can consistently kill anything 2 tons or under and against allo it’s a 50/50 depends on skill 💀

[twilit seal]

I mean skirtz has been telling me that its not even close for him with allos cuz he kills them too fast before bleed

But i have to try myself

[tight cove]

Also the best thing about playing Maia is that truly if you don’t ever wanna fight allo you don’t have to you can run away and it will never catch u, only thing that can catch Maia is carno and dilo but Maia destroys them especially now 💀

[tight cove]

I believe that

[limber delta]

The point of the stego change is to make it more punishable and baitable. In a Rex v stego for example, it’d give the rex more of an opening after a stego missed its swing to punish it.

As for making Rex and trike less agile, same idea there. Rex and trike are apexes, they should be slow. As of right now they almost have mid tier levels of agility which is unacceptable. Add onto that the alt bite mechanic, and the instant one shots they have, and it’s clear they need to be treated as apexes, not giant mid tiers.

[steep otter]

Yeah its stupid, i hope it gots changed, rn rex just easily kills trike of the is half decent

[tight cove]

For your first point ok, but for your second point I just want to say both Rex and trike have a slow run speed and they’re agility isn’t that great, it’s not too bad, it’s just alright and yes they both can one shot and ace good alt attacks but having even worse agility not only makes something feel bad to play as, it would still make these apex’s more vulnerable that they should be, do you remember when trike didn’t have its spar mode? Trike was able to get killed by ceras even NOW trikes can still be hunted by ceras and even allos so making them turn worse would be unnecessary, also for a more real life example elephants weigh multiple tons but their agility isn’t god awful

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-twirl-spin-fun-umbrella-gif-17350498

It’s funny^ but it shows how even an elephant at its size can turn decently well lmao 😂

[limber delta]

No spar mode trike was honestly the most balanced it ever was

[analog zodiac]

@twilit seal i also wanted to say abt the stego thing that u mostly die of the bleed and not dmg, so thats why i think we should turn the bleed a bit down and after that i think its more in rexes favour (if we change the bleed)

[twilit seal]

Yeah i mean thats intended tho, my issue isnt the damage or bleed or the cc, my issue is that bad stegos arent punished

[analog zodiac]

on bad stegos u need to double bait

if he swings u need to bait again so he swings again and then u go in with momentum

[maiden temple]

I wish the power swing was gone tbh, old swings were way more fun, took more skill to land and you could have nice 1v2 fights against your own. They felt more fluid than they do right now as well

That plus tactile really lowered the skill ceiling for herbis, everyone just spams

[analog zodiac]

yea maybe make stego bites only xD

[analog zodiac]

how will a stego survive with alt attack only

[maiden temple]

I didn't say 'remove it and don't give it anything else'. Obviously normal swings can be readjusted if it was gone

I just don't like the easy mode click spam

Even my main suffers from this

[limber delta]

The humble traumatic thrombosis:

[golden coral]

For the running swing, I agree, it does not suit stego. The standing one I think is fine, it looks like what a stego might do. The jab (alt/old swings) would have been good as well if all of the angles had the same speed, and that speed was the side angle one, since it was the only one with decently good speed I think. Otherwise those jabs are just clunky and not very good as an attack. And yes, remove tactile, or change it to something less overpowered.

[maiden temple]

Nah, the jabs were done well with the long front-reaching ones being slow to animate/wind down and the side ones being quick, especially considering how powerful stego was then around the smalls it had to face

Bad swings were punished since they left an opening as the animation was winding down

[golden coral]

Which only meant it was bad to use the other angles, because they were too slow. The side angle was good, not too fast, but fast enough to be useful, and so all the angles should be. Especially when you're dealing with things that can easily run circles around you.

[maiden temple]

This swing is great but it should make the stego immobile (and more resistant to cc to compensate) leaving it in a tower defense mode lol

[golden coral]

So I'd be fine with removing the swing, but only if all of the jab angles were upped in speed to the quick angle one, so they'd all be useful

Eh, that sounds more like an anky thing to do, no?

I can see anky do a kind of hunker down/tower defense, since it actually has the armor to play defense, and not a weak spot like stego

[maiden temple]

It was not bad to use them.. When timed well you landed shots you otherwise could not with your tiny side swing

• it was much less obvious to the enemy since you didn't try to stand at their side

[golden coral]

Well, the enemy would know you could do them anyway, so that'd still be something they'd take into account

I think they're too slow, especially with the fact that they, like all attacks except bite, shuts down your mobility entirely

[maiden temple]

The swing was slow so they didn't expect you to time it that well, caught tons of raptors and carnos trying to do a juke + head bite this way

[golden coral]

One good thing the swing has, you can kind of move with the enemy easier than with the jab

[golden coral]

Part of my issue is that it always seemed better to catch them on the way out, rather than in. Doing it that way, you could catch things trying for a headbite, but that still means you need to let them go for the hit, rather than catching them before it

Hence, the jabs on the other angles seemed too slow and clunky to properly catch a target incoming

[maiden temple]

Predicting where they'll be in a second was also part of the skill of landing these yeah

It made stego way more approachable too

[golden coral]

Which you still had to do, even with the quick angle, since you couldn't move while using it, or in any other way put the attack range closer to the enemy, hence why people could dance just outside your range and you couldn't really do much to pressure

[golden coral]

To things that shouldnt be approaching it in the first place, which is kind of why those jabs weren't that good

[maiden temple]

They were good, I miss fighting hordes of raptors and other stegos, or have tenos harass me while I grow

[golden coral]

The jabs are cool as an attack, and does suit stego, but the angles are just too slow to be of much use unless you're using the side one, or the enemy is locked on a rather obvious trajectory, so if they were to be the main attack, they'd need some work to be more efficient, at least as far as I'm concerned. It was probably my biggest gripe with old stego, that the jab just was a badly designed and clunky attack overall, with only the side angle being good enough. That and the melted male plates, which is probably something I'll have to live with.

[golden coral]

Meanwhile I think raptors should be going for pretty much anything but stego, except maybe kentro and anky being even worse options. Retaliatory bucking might hopefully help there. Let me swipe them off my side, stego does have the reach.

[maiden temple]

I think it was well made, and I enjoyed it. I guess it depends on how you play/want to play

[velvet token]

Stego powerswings like an infuriated old lady with its bag

[maiden temple]

Kentro and anky will probably not be on the menu for any pouncers, for good reasons

[golden coral]

Possible, I always found stego to be far too clunky, but I also was way more used to prog/legacy stego so. And I overall dislike not having mobile attacks, and a tiny stego bite being the only one for that, doesn't really count for much.

But lacking proper mobility while attacking, I think the stationary attacks should be fast enough to compensate somewhat for that at the least

[maiden temple]

I only played legacy for a few hours before I said absolutely nope

[golden coral]

And I think stego should count there too, not as bad but still a really bad option due to tail reach

Rather than the current, somewhat too good at fighting other apexes, stego that we're apparently having right now. I'd rather tune stego into the anti-speed/agility, specifically anti-pounce apex

[golden coral]

Fair enough, but still, if you were used to a stego that had swings that it could use while running, you'd probably see my point of wanting something like that at the least

[maiden temple]

I kinda had the experience on PoT, not sure how it compares but I hate it

But that's a whole another discussion, not comparable to the level of animations we have

[golden coral]

Honestly not sure it compares very well, I've tried that too, does not feel the same as Isle at least, and then theres other things as well

But I do like the Isle stego jabs, and I don't mind being stationary, as long as the attack speed is good enough to make up for the rest

[maiden temple]

I watched a video and honestly I'm glad it's nothing like that

It kinda is like PoT's though, except you can choose the direction of the swing

Everytime I see these clips I'm increasingly more impressed by the animation team. The playables feel much more alive now

They have weight, if you know what I mean

[golden coral]

Yeah, no doubt the Isle looks way better. And sorry for late response, but have to spend time with family now! So merry christmas to you!

[maiden temple]

Merry christmas

[viscid mica]

@vital valley scrapping is only bugged for allo omnis can still be scrapped off hood E to buck and pray or find a good cliff to stand near and wait OR OR water deep enough that you swim

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message Mfw stego doesn’t get annihilated on sight by Rex

[alpine sleet]

I tried rotating in place with trike but they still manage to get behind, did the rex you fought run for long enough or attacked too early?, i also beat most of trikes by tail raiding

[viscid mica]

@twilit seal ZIR ZIR FG V FG stego bleed out Rex in like 4 hits

Rex’s are forced to be super aggressive as a single hit does insane bleed and if that Rex doesn’t sit soon will die fast

Rex loses a hit trade battle

[steep gazelle]

@twilit seal Why is the video sped up

[twilit seal]

Its not

At least I dont think, I didnt record it. The outcome doesnt really matter cuz you can see the rex get hit 3 times after getting stunned once

Maybe youre right ill just make sure with the owner

Non sped up version

It was 1.3x sped up, my mistake

[tight cove]

Your doing it wrong, all you have to do is go in spar mode and use your mouse to move around, if you do that no Rex can get behind you

[carmine crypt]

the Stago had to be in cc cooldown immunity, that crush attack should have sunded it, it wasn't even a stun traid

[twilit seal]

Yeah ik the point wasnt rex getting stunned or anything

The intention was to show how stego gets 3 follow up hits after a stun

Unlike other dinos that get 1 extra max after a stun

[carmine crypt]

i like your proposal for 1,1 cooldown or 1.2. It would allow for 2 hits and the 3rd would not be guaranteed
The stun time is 2s, but the reaction time for the player to move out is 3s, so a 1.1 first hit and the second 1.1 would allow to hit the 2 attacks, but the third would be less likely

1.4 is to much

[twilit seal]

I mean I dont know the exact timings it was an example

To increase it a few miliseconds

Because a patient stego isnt getting baited easily to give openings, its to punish those that are trigger happy. Also people seem to think I make this suggestion only for rex matchup. The other stego hunters are in an even worse spot because with stego being able to do 2 times more total swings than before, running it out of stam is out of the question, and the openings to go in with the power swing unlike alts is too short for animals like cera or allo etc

[carmine crypt]

it is 2s stund, but when u start moving, it's 3s total stego has 1s cooldown between hits. That's why it always gets 3 hits in when the target is stund in ranges

[alpine sleet]

I know and i tried that plenty of times and it doesnt work

[twilit seal]

Yeah, if youre in a good position, 2 extra hits are fine, if the target is too far after a stun, 1 extra is fine, but rn it can get 3 body hits before the rex or trike can move

Which is enough to bleed them out btw

Unless they stand still or rest

[tight cove]

If your willing, I can get on the game and show you

[alpine sleet]

what server?

[tight cove]

Doesn’t matter to me as long as you have admin, I’m also admin on a few servers but there still down rn I think

[alpine sleet]

i have admin on suco pvp if you want

[tight cove]

Ok I’ll join

[alpine sleet]

i thought that was a problem of mine, i cant join any server, but my friend is in one

[frosty heron]

Honestly Stego should get wrecked by a Rex and not having a 1vs1 on a 50/50 state , its 12 hours still vs 6 , and 25% smaller than it

I already suggested to either make Stego faster than Rex , or just make it a dangerous bleeder , now we have the bleed danger and the brawl position which is kinda bad decision

At that point make Stego 12 hours and let it meet the other apexes on growth times then

[elfin night]

Well not really since growth time and size aren’t the only things to determine matchups

And if stego gets wrecked, then it should be able to reliably get away

Look for example at how troodon’s best matchup is dilo by far

Game design and their kits come to play as well

[frosty heron]

Thats why I want Stego to be just faster than Rex , growth times do actually matter when the gap is big as 6 hours of difference, I should not be dying to something that took way less effort to growth

Unless im a truly potato player which isnt the case on the clips

[tight cove]

@alpine sleet I think the servers just restarted so they aren’t showing up just yet

[alpine sleet]

my friend is playing with other people rn so thats weird

[tight cove]

Imma keep trying

[twilit seal]

But stego can get away, triple the stam and faster run speed, and more stam regen while trotting. The only way rex catches is with ambush, and with trot speed, but stego can outstam rex even if it has faster trot rn

[tight cove]

@alpine sleet I’m trying to connect but it just won’t let me join

Might have to join the oasis server @alpine sleet

[cosmic pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1453459982313062571/image.png?ex=694d8797&is=694c3617&hm=8806eab2f1d524041111267c37e9c0a4bfcc65cc7fb52fc6f2cc9ca933b7f7a6&
Steam is down apparently

[tight cove]

Thanks, hopefully it’s resolved soon

Steam is usually good at resolving things quickly unlike PlayStation 💀💀💀

[alpine sleet]

does it work?

i cant even find any servers

[elfin night]

Skill issue then

Rex should evolve

[tight cove]

Steam is down ^ 💀

[finite shadow]

@crimson niche adult allo has one of the fastest trot speeds in the game rn

[crimson niche]

its feels hyper slow
and sub rex is literally a living rocket wtf is that xd

[tight cove]

@alpine sleet steam is working again it’s looking like, imma try to log into the server again

@alpine sleet I’m in

[alpine sleet]

sorry i had to go

we can try tomorrow maybe

[tight cove]

Alright

[spice crescent]

whats the deal with the lack of fish spawning? been in swamp the rivers and the two lakes so far and at least today since ive been back on, i havent seen a single fish in 3 hours,

had to get lucky with some young dinos swimming and a few hogs also swimming

[spiral fern]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11170182528248105648/AD2F8CE921CF67273AD09B7DEA76170B24162FB2/

friend posted this.. Carno working as intended still I see 😒
How can this even get into live...

[steep otter]

This is a bug no?

[spiral fern]

the guy clipped got head-pounce stun... and the other guy tried to bite but got knocked over by stand-still machine-gun

this is absolutely dog development, top tier right here. Like designing with a blindfold and no thought. Don't someone question the outcome of game-design decisions like this?

Even if it is a bug, it's a super well-known and reported on so many times from HT.. that's why you have a HT, to see what works and not. This shouldn't be put into live

[golden tapir]

stego is so broken

like omg I know stego was broken in horde test but now that people can test in admin server I see stego as 100x more broken

it actually need a nerf

[steep gazelle]

Why

[golden tapir]

power swing has no cooldown, never runs out of stamina because of tactile endurance mutat, bleed rex out in 3 swing, 4 time better stamina than all apexes, bleed is stupidly high, only 6 hour to grow and perform better against rex than trike does. gain 3 ton in the first 30 min of growing and 90% of roster cant kill him at that point.

[steep gazelle]

Bleed is Rex's weakness

[golden tapir]

its not fair being faster, more stam, and stronger than rex. also grow in 6 hour and not 12 hour

[steep gazelle]

Well, maybe something could be nerfed to the Stego, but the Stego kind of needs to stay the way it is now, otherwise Rex will go back to being able to kill Stego just by chasing them on foot and pinning them

Rex before didn't need any effort to kill a Stego, he literally just had to walk forward and use Crush

[golden tapir]

but u make stego stronger and able to chase down rex now? its bs

[steep gazelle]

Rex can Fracture stego in 1 crush and 1 bite

Rex can also knockdown stego

[golden tapir]

he cant

[steep gazelle]

He can, but not Prime Stego and Prime Rex

Adult Rex Can Knockdown adult stego

[golden tapir]

prime stego dont get knocked down and if prime stego get oso mutation (reduce fracture damage) it take 2 crushes and a bite and even if he fractured he still able to power swing it no matter

stego is stronger than rex now. grows in half the time and can chase down rex. balance is broken

[steep gazelle]

That's why Rex should be more focused on damage and not fracture, But unfortunately, that's the path they chose for Rex xd

[analog zodiac]

u can kill a stego as a rex is just a bit of a challenge, like i said nerf the bleed and leave it alone, like most of the time u die of bleed and not of the dmg

[golden tapir]

Just saw this and Rex was 8 tons

This also mean stego wasn’t above 5 ton because Rex was able to pin him. Stego literally don’t even need to bleed out Rex he can deal 8k damage in 10 second wtf lol

This playable is broken I just don’t see how he’s balanced

[analog zodiac]

u not winning against the same weight of the steg

[golden tapir]

Rex is 8 tons

Stego isn’t above 5 ton. It not same weight at all

[analog zodiac]

yes rex dmg is weak tho

at that size

[golden tapir]

Stego literally dealt 8k of damage in under 10 second while not being full grown…

And even while Rex bait power swing stego had enough time to power swing again before Rex attacked him

You can’t even bait stego power swing because they can just swing again when u go in and it stun you

[analog zodiac]

basically almost all hits are headshot

[golden tapir]

And how is Rex supposed to avoid that?

[analog zodiac]

pin on the head

[golden tapir]

Stego literally chases down Rex too

[analog zodiac]

so the stego cant reach u

[golden tapir]

He did earlier in the fight and it didn’t matter. Also stego can tail ride Rex and 180 swing

[analog zodiac]

when

[golden tapir]

The first 5 second

[analog zodiac]

his first crush was at body

[golden tapir]

Crush was used on stego head

[analog zodiac]

no its getting pinned down on the side of the body

literally next to the tail

[golden tapir]

Oh well Rex can’t really go near stego head anyways it so hard it near impossible

[analog zodiac]

???

[golden tapir]

Stego basically has tail facing Rex all time

[analog zodiac]

ofc it can lol

[golden tapir]

No it can’t unless u ambush stego and stego is point blank on top of you which is impossible to achieve all the conditions to be that close in the first place

[analog zodiac]

welli do it all the time

[golden tapir]

Realistically Rex can’t get to stego head. Stego just always wins

[analog zodiac]

mostly winning against stegos, idk if everyone has a skillissue but idk

[golden tapir]

No stego is stronger now. If stego is losing to a Rex that just mean stego isn’t very good player

[analog zodiac]

mostly prime vs prime tho

[golden tapir]

I see more Rex losing to stego now too

[analog zodiac]

i did play against a good steg and it was the same score on both sides

[golden tapir]

I went deathmatch and stego win vs Rex 90% of time

[analog zodiac]

like 4-4 for me and the steg

prime vs prime

[golden tapir]

I’ll keep testing more with my friend but my friends very good Rexes and they still losing to good stegos. From what I see now stego is too broken but I’ll keep testing and see if matchup isn’t 90% stego favored

[analog zodiac]

i mean thats why i send a general feedback that steg vs rex was really skill based

steg is only better of both are the same size

[golden tapir]

Yeah I just have to disagree with you

I think stego is more broken than Rex now overall but we can disagree it no matter. Just hope dev know what they’re doing because this ridiculous

[icy blaze]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11170182528248105648/AD2F8CE921CF67273AD09B7DEA76170B24162FB2/

Oh cool so carno can still spam its stupid attack and just 2 shot a prime omni with it. How nice ...... I wonder if they even think and purposely ruin players fun by buffing their favs and forgetting about dinosaurs like omni, teno etc

#balance-feedback message

So yall want herbies to just be a piece of meat? Ofc.
How about leaving it at least to the midtier herbies

[tight cove]

@analog zodiac im pretty sure stego just has the advantage over rex rn

[slim dragon]

tactile has to go, jut like the rest of the combat mutations

[twilit seal]

@solemn thunder report the bug, and remove it from your suggestion, its not a balance feedback

And unless rex damage gets buffed from 700 Im always gonna be against any nerfs on it. You can nerf fracture but give it back its damage

[solemn thunder]

will do

[twilit seal]

I agree it doesnt need ambush speed tho

[solemn thunder]

absolutely ambushing rex can literally catch up to fg allos

[twilit seal]

But, without ambush speed stego just gets away

So idk, maybe lower the speed buff or reduce duration

[icy blaze]

Then the carnis also shouldnt have any advantage

[twilit seal]

What do they have mutation wise? Herbis can get congrnital, herbis can get gastro, tactile is literally just a “oh lemme spam my attacks without even trying and not get punished at all” mutation

You dont need tactile on any of the herbis, with the recent buffs on stego and maia too now

[solemn thunder]

tactile is absolutely needed on some herbivores, like maia is actually unplayable without tactile

[slim dragon]

That's why I said all combat mutations have to go

[slim dragon]

If something needs a specific mutation to survive then it needs a buff
Because the mutation system shouldn't include mandatory mutations

[twilit seal]

Maia is absolutely playable if youre good enough and make your hits count. With tactile, they can just fight as much as they want and if they get destroyed they just run away cuz they got stam from tactile

With the damage and cc buffs, you do fine

Like i dont understand why anyone should get a free pass if they are constantly missing their abilities

[analog zodiac]

If we remove tactile then dmg Muts should go too

[twilit seal]

I dont mind, but then again if you stack entombed hypermetabolic+accelerated+hemomania all you literally get like a 1 bite of difference in the fight cuz how low their values are compared to 50% of tactile

[analog zodiac]

Idk if u know this but when the leaked version of Rex came out I tested the bf with hypermetabolic and it was from 850 to 1000

So just imagine that entombed

Ofc no one entombs a Rex but still

[twilit seal]

Yeah so in 4 bites you get 1 extra even with pre-nerfed rex and depends on your stomach fullness too ofc, and its rex that benefitted the most

After rex other than deino the highest bite force is 175 on allo

[icy blaze]

Some herbies are nothing without tactile compared to the stam of some carnis

[twilit seal]

Like what herbi exactly? I feel like youre still excusing wasting your stam whiffing attacks

[icy blaze]

This

[twilit seal]

All herbis have enough stam to kill multiple carnis of their weight class without tactile

[analog zodiac]

Stego without tactile is still idk, u basically NEED to hit every attack to kill a Rex (dmg wise)

[twilit seal]

The most heavily dependant were maia and stego and they got buffed

[twilit seal]

You need 4 hits to bleed out a rex, like 2 runninf swings. You have 20 total swings

[icy blaze]

Says a carni player with all the dmg mutas that wants the herbies to be a piece of meat

[twilit seal]

Not to mention you regen while trotting etc during combat

[analog zodiac]

I said dmg wise not bleed

[twilit seal]

I bet i have more hours on herbi than you

[icy blaze]

So?

Hours doesnt mean you know how

[twilit seal]

I never once needed tactile on anything other than old stego, cuz i dont whiff and waste my stam spamming the air

[icy blaze]

Try fighting some allos without stam as a teno for example

[twilit seal]

What kind of matchup is this? Why would I fight allos on teno without stam? Even with stam im just running

[icy blaze]

Nah i dont

[twilit seal]

I have more stam than allo and faster run speed

[icy blaze]

So much to that. Why should herbies always just run

Not my playstyle

[twilit seal]

Are you actually serious rn lmao

[icy blaze]

Yep. Wouldnt be the first time i whoop some allos

[analog zodiac]

But why tf are we not just nerfing the bleed like damn…. U never die of dmg and if the dps gets nerfed then Rex just wins all the time

[twilit seal]

Bro is complaining not being able to 1v1 an allo as teno with 0 stam hahahah

And saying herbis need tactile

[slim dragon]

You mean why should a herbi always run from a group of carnivores multiple times its size ?

[tribal idol]

why would a 1.6 ton herbi not run from a 2.6 ton carni...

[twilit seal]

Hahahaaha this guy bro

[analog zodiac]

lol tbh that’s crazy

[icy blaze]

See if you have tactile you can

[twilit seal]

Yeah lemme complain that i cant 1v1 a prime rex with 0 stam stego

It must be cuz rex is op

[analog zodiac]

Lmaooo

[slim dragon]

Which confirms tactile needs to go

[icy blaze]

I didnt complain. I just say why removing tactile if for example cera still has damage buffs. Herbies dont always have to accept everything.

[twilit seal]

But we are saying we arent opposed to removing damage muts

[icy blaze]

Well actually its 2 tenos vs 1 prime allo.

[twilit seal]

Im just saying they arent as game changing as tactile

[icy blaze]

Lost to often to a herbi huh

[twilit seal]

On live i genuinely never picked tactile over gastro on teno cuz i never needed it

And with gastro you can fight more often

And i mained teno for a long while

You just need to make your hits count

[icy blaze]

Kk mr almighty

[twilit seal]

Youre just arguing not being able to do something that doesnt even sound fair to do

[icy blaze]

Mhm. Youre right and i have my peace

[twilit seal]

Cuz imo bleed is fine, other than running swing it wasnt buffed crazy

Like it was up to 0.49 from 0.46 or something

Other than running swing, it got doubled

I like bleeder stego personally its just cuz of the stun, after 1 hit you basically kill any apex with the other hits

[steep otter]

Rex needs a fracture damage nerf and get its bite force back

[maiden temple]

Not always, but we are given tools to survive, not hunt

It's why you can hold your ground well, all we had to do before tactile was manage stamina and not spam attacks. It's not hard at all

I was never 'just a piece of meat' before tactile

I'd love to see tactile and gastro gone, honestly

[icy blaze]

Yeah but i honestly dont wanna defent myself only against 1v1

And if they start camping you gotta do something

So yeah ok if all the advantage mutations in a fight will go, then tactile can go as well. But i am absolutely against only tactile getting removed

[maiden temple]

Wym only 1v1, that was always ridiculously rare

[icy blaze]

True

Just saying. If they remove tactile then all fight advantage mutas should go. Gastro included

[maiden temple]

Most carnis are so impatient your stam won't go under 50% by the time they're dead as well. Gastro def should go at the same time as tactile yeah

I'm so glad the speed was removed from the two muts too. I hated having to use them so much

[icy blaze]

I kinda liked them

[maiden temple]

You HAD to have them, it's just not fun

[icy blaze]

Well yeah kinda

[maiden temple]

Meta muts will always suck >.< I want to try other builds!

[thorn mountain]

they also made speedhacks a thing

[maiden temple]

That was always around lol

The zooming stegos on spiro will always haunt my eyes

[thorn mountain]

yea but due to the speed mutations their buffer had to be increased, now with them gone speed hacks just wont happen asmuch if not never

[maiden temple]

Flying carnos were funny at least

[thorn mountain]

oh yea anticheat was terrible back then

[slim dragon]

Speed hacks were fixed at some point, but speed mutations make it super easy for hackers to remake them

[maiden temple]

so the damage muts also make it easier to have the damage cheats?

Idk how this works at all, but if that's a thing yeet all the muts

[thorn mountain]

not really, because if you go to a high enough amount of damage on a creature you will just do no damage

people have seen this when they used max out combat mutations

[maiden temple]

Ahh, so there are coded in limits for this stuff?