balance-feedback-discussion

[frosty heron]

He lost , but I gotta say hes pretty skilled

[elfin night]

I just stumbled upon this and I thought it was pertinent to the discussion

“2v1 only playable”

It just rolled a prime stego without an ambush

Look at that damage too

[frosty heron]

Video just loads to half but I already saw the Stego missing a powerswing

2 misses

Jesus he didnt landed any of his attacks at all

Rex OP or unskilled Stego?

🤔

[elfin night]

Rex still gets to interrupt stego and fracture it

And no I don’t think rex is op. I think it works just fine

Stego needs a buff, but at last rex works in literally any 1v1 ever

[frosty heron]

Lets think about this video in a cold manner , Prime Elder Stego vs FG Rex , so thats 9.3 vs 9.3 T if im correct , the Stego absolutely skill issued as the whole point of Stego is not getting baited and land your attacks , gets baited , doesnt land a single attack , Rex wins , theres something to complain about there or its just for showing that Rex is capable to 1v1? Of course it is

Let me find the video where an Elder Rex loses to a Elder Stego

Complete skill issue by the Rex btw^

[elfin night]

It’s showing precisely that rex can win a 1v1

We can infer stego is underpowered from other cases

But the point is that Rex having one matchup where it simply cannot rush someone down and hold lmb doesn’t mean it is restricted to hunting in pairs

[frosty heron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9E4Bn6OdPXk?si=UzCwYtXNmzloTMV4

Dude was ever a hacker , double points to skill issue

[elfin night]

That crush miss sure hurt

Crazy how the guy missed a crush, got no ambush and still managed to fracture a prime stego

[crystal stream]

Nah don’t think steg need a buff man things already super strong just depends on the player

[maiden temple]

Such a panicky stego, poor guy def had his hands shaking after that

[elfin night]

Not at all

Stego really needs adjustments

[elfin night]

Also I just remembered

@dusky surge you mentioned something about stego and dibble’s place in the meta currently

Did dibble get any nerf or does it really perform that poorly against rex and allo? I am surprised considering that it is by far one of the best herbivores in the live branch by far alongside teno.

[frosty heron]

Dibble is food for all those Rexes that are past 4 Tons but ive seen it doing pretty well against Allos , its just the elders are too tanky for a Dibble to actually punish them hard enought

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xd8hMi0gw4c

[sullen dragon]

? What do u expect lmfao

A Rex stomps a stego whether he ambushes or not. He’s always going to be stronger. Stego has to run away, he can’t fight that

[elfin night]

It’s kind of lame that even elder stegos can’t do much, but that video was done to prove the point of how rex just performs great in any 1v1

[sullen dragon]

Yeah Rex is the king of 1v1s

He performs best in that scenario

[sullen dragon]

Btw how do you make ur lighting like that

[elfin night]

Since apparently if it struggled a little against trike, then that somehow means it is only useful in a 2v1, which is blatantly false when you can count with your fingers the amount of things that rex cannot simply run up to and press one button to doom them (and some are still totally beatable)

Those being nearly every apex around its size and anky as the outlier

[sullen dragon]

I like how smooth it looks. What do you do from invidia?

[elfin night]

I don’t know, the vid isn’t mine

[sullen dragon]

Oh

[elfin night]

I hope camara isn’t trash so we can immediately get to see so many carnivore players complaining about a herbivore they just can’t beat in a 1v1 if the camara has a working frontal lobe

“Deino should be able to drag camara”

I will come back to this in the camara hordetest, if someone makes that suggestion

[maiden temple]

I'd prefer if stego could effectively run away, I really don't wanna fight every rex I stumble upon on mine

It's been stressful enough avoiding trikes xD

[elfin night]

I think that at the very least stego should be a risky prey

Something that you cannot brainlessly rush and destroy like that

Only rexes I’ve seen dying to a stego are non adults that can be stunned or those that somehow miss a crush and get 3 powerswings in the face

[maiden temple]

I'm still in favour of it having siege mode, an immovable object kinda thing

[elfin night]

I was thinking about maybe doubling down on the bleeder style it has

And make it so that maybe powerswing is an extra deterrent by dealing percentage based damage to one’s blood pool

[maiden temple]

That's also great, puts pressure on hunters

[elfin night]

Something not too egregious

Like maybe a bonus 5% target’s blood for that power swing

Or maybe a little more

[maiden temple]

Someone mentioned that stego's bleed is not as good as it was, and I'm sad about it

[elfin night]

Enough so that it is already risky to push a hunt after you’ve gotten hit like 3-4 times

Honestly it’s actually kind of sad how there’s so little playables that have a strong emphasis on bleed when it is such a lethal thing irl and in legacy some actually succeeded at being a true deterrent in that regard

So far we got allo which is nice

[maiden temple]

I hope kentro has something like that

[elfin night]

Herra’s bleed is overkill more often than not

And then Omni is just always using damage pounce

[elfin night]

It would be cool, maybe if I haven’t made any recent suggestion I could throw it in there

[maiden temple]

Honestly raptor has been very disappointing, I see bleed going away waaaaay faster than it used to and it's super annoying

Especially on dibbles

You don't get too many chances to bite/pounce so it hurts when it goes away so quick lol

I also no longer bleed out carnos on my teno, maybe everything got nuked

Or another bleed res buff I don't know about >.> The last one was a while ago

[elfin night]

Done

[hasty coyote]

reminds me of the guy who asked for deino to be able to 1-tap brachi to the head unironically

[dusky surge]

then make stego faster lol

make it able to both outtrot and outrun rex

i, personally, think that'd look really dumb, but since no one can imagine the animal with the absolutely insanely powerful weapon actually fighting back the big things, I guess we gotta go into superspeed stego

[elfin night]

Look at my thing

[sullen dragon]

It’s the same speed as Rex

Well base sprint

They made it faster and gave it far more stamina this HT to the point he can run down sub Rexes

He’s in a good spot imo, people just need to get better at him

[golden coral]

Stego is in such a weird place, there's real life precedent for it being an apex with size and abilities, and certainly it can be ingame anyway (unless there's some secret lore reason as to why not), and yet they've settled on a stego that is supposed to run, but isn't good at it. It is a bit odd, with how it's in all aspects better suited to fighting.

[dusky surge]

Its stamina is the same as it was before. Also, I think reliance on stamina when your threat has better speed and trot speed is absurd (especially when on top of an absurd attack cost)

[alpine sleet]

No way, i dont see a single carnivore being able to solo a fg camara, maybe a spino or deino if its in the water

[sullen dragon]

How come I’ve seen people say stego stamina was buffed in the HT

[golden coral]

It was, I believe, but quite a while back. Perhaps its just that you thought it was recent

Stego did get some changes way back, which was I guess supposed to help with rex, but it might not have been enough

[sullen dragon]

Oh ok

[alpine sleet]

guys since i saw you discussing about trike vs rex earlier please give me tips on how to fight rexes as a trike since im growing one

[alpine plover]

#balance-feedback message Not going to lie, if I had to listen to flies buzzing around my dinosaurs face all day I'd quit playing. lol

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message

bro

Wdym add titanoboa as a balance change 😭

What is that thing gonna do? Eat juvi deinos and then get shredded by the adults? And then deino needs a rework!!!!!!

[thorn mountain]

@celest aurora allos do get knocked off by trees and rocks and human structures, its just some trees dont knock them, this applies for troodon and omni too, its not just a allo thing, the only tree that knocks allos, raptors and troodons off is the massive ceiba trees (the big ones)

[elfin night]

Still mega cringe ngl

How you just need to camp a specific tree or die to an untargetable enemy

[faint robin]

Where's the allo basic bite cooldown increase lol?

[thorn mountain]

I think its a issue of hitboxes on trees, doubt its intended

[faint robin]

Also it seems like trees that knock omnis down don't knock allos down

[native urchin]

Thats Mr Gray playin Rex I’m pretty sure, he sent me that video! And it’s Rex before the nerf!

Also, stego misplayed, Rex was stunnable

[elfin night]

@tropic moon how do you even mess up that badly??

3 Rexes vs 1 trike?!

[native urchin]

Oh, I responded to the wrong message lol

[elfin night]

PLEASE tell me you were all subs and juveniles

[tropic moon]

no the 3 of us where fg an 1 sub an the trike still won like i said make 0 sense how herbs are so op they need to fix it

[native urchin]

They consume less stamina while running, but attacks still use same stam!
But yeah, it can run down Rex at all stages (aside the speedy phase)

[tropic moon]

if it was 1v1 maybe he win but no chance 4v1

[thorn mountain]

I dont think thats triike OP I think thats a skill issue

[tropic moon]

no most of the herbs are op lol

[keen plover]

3 full grown rex's lost to a trike????

[thorn mountain]

disagree to a degree LOL

[dusky surge]

ikr lmao

[tropic moon]

yup

[thorn mountain]

I soloed a trike as a rex... soooo

[dusky surge]

genuinely, the fact that you managed to lose that is genuinely remarkable

[tropic moon]

ive solo trikes before and like i said something is off

[dusky surge]

did

did you run into a prime elder assuing it'd end the same???

[keen plover]

I can get thinking that the fight can end quickly and all. Which yeah, trike does nuclear damage, but 3 v 1...

What was your actual % btw since a small adult probs does die to a trike easily

😭

[tropic moon]

he might of been prime but he knew how to play one well. he killed one rex really fast idk the health of the rex, but the sub was in an out of the fight plus we never let the trike rest to heal, i know they heal fast but dam it was like he never took dmg from any of us was cooked. then me an the other fg went all out no rest to fight him then other fg rex died so i was about to push him off a cliff but got lock on his head an then he killed me then sub so idk. the trike said gg was close to death but doesnt seem right.

tbh i just feel some of the herbs like trikes an stegos are so op with DMG that's i know they need good dmg to fight off all the carni etc but like how can stego 6 swing's an kill a FG rex a little crazy. i guess just need to fight the both of them better i guess.

[dusky surge]

imma be real, stego is not that crazy at all, it should be doing high damage if it wants to survive rex

[tropic moon]

maybe they debuffed them or something lately but like a week ago they would do that

[dusky surge]

no, they still do that much

i just don't think it's that crazy

[primal ferry]

Wouldnt be the first time

[dusky surge]

OH YEAH LMAO

[primal ferry]

Prime vs Prime, Prime, Prime...

I have to wonder if maybe... trike op?

[dusky surge]

im still taken aback by the fact you won that back when rex's crush was effectively an instant win tool that didn't care about sparring

[primal ferry]

Nahhhhhhh its just circumstantial matchups with people who have vastly different game knowledge and skill expression, likely with situational variables too. I see more rexes kill trikes than vice versa, often eviscerating herds just because they have a small weight advantage, but enough to instantly pin and thus break 2 fracture spots at once.

[primal ferry]

It was actually the first patch where they fixed the damage not being mitigated by spar stance.

The fracture did not care though.

[dusky surge]

i genuinely think it was and still is "early rex hype" and pre-established expectations of rex "dethroning" trike, so people didn't approach the matchup with care

ive seen a lot more careful, competent rexes as HT goes on

making sure to make space, go for flanks and prepare their attacks

[primal ferry]

And notice how those are often the ones actually growing big?

[dusky surge]

rather than trying to facetank the thing designed to win every facetank

[dusky surge]

yup

[primal ferry]

Aside from the ones abusing the Diablo spawns and mixpack armies...

[mint star]

trike playing like it’s a Batman Arkham game

[dusky surge]

LMAO

[primal ferry]

On god, the most fun thing to do right now in game is have massively outgunned/outnumbered fights with trike and still pull through because you know the spar system better than your opponents.

[dusky surge]

lol

[primal ferry]

I've been addicted...

[dusky surge]

i love how engaging the rex and trike fight legitimately is now

a lot of people were scared of the thrash damage, but given the thrash is a tool you can basically never land against competent rexes, it does come down to a slow, methodical trade of attacks

[primal ferry]

Havent had an engagement between the two that hasnt left me with adrenaline pumping

[dusky surge]

yup, im really pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the matchup so far

[primal ferry]

Same, I've seen the fights swing both ways from an outside perspective, often a bit rex favoured, but usually if they get the jump first.

[dusky surge]

rex can choose multiple approaches to try and finish off the target, but trike has the raw stat advantage across the board in terms of damage, bleed and health

rex needs to engage with tactical play to try and get around trike's natural defenses, trike needs to know how to make a rex slip up and create a moment where it can capitalise

i am heavily of the belief that crush does not need a damage buff

[primal ferry]

On a personal level I do think... at least 1 on 1... if you know how trike's kit works, you cant lose as it.

[primal ferry]

People also forgetting rex can stun a trike of equal/lesser size with headbutt and trade free bite/crush attacks off of it.

But not many people are ready for that conversation yet.

[dusky surge]

yup

i guess trike can counter a headswing with a block tho? or am i wrong there

[primal ferry]

Yes but depends on weight. It greatly increases CC resist though.

Also only works if youve got your head facing it when it does the attack.

[dusky surge]

also regular swing, or does it have to be heavy swing

[primal ferry]

Couldnt tell ya, I havent played enough rex. I've just been on the recieveing end.

But plenty of practice from that side...

[dusky surge]

im gonna guess heavy swing

[primal ferry]

Likely

[dusky surge]

but yea, im honestly happy with how rex v trike plays

trike wins by baiting rex into consuming all its stam or simply dealing enough damage

rex wins via fracture, meeting pin conditions or just damaging it to death

[elfin night]

That’s an abysmal take bro

Not only historically because there’s been far more overpowered carnivores released than there have been herbivores on release, but also in how the current meta works

Hell, even in LEGACY carnis have always been the more loved ones

[dusky surge]

ambush speed, only ones with fractures, best bleed, has a nocturnal variant

[elfin night]

Are you really telling me that maia, pachy, hypsi, dryo or teno are op? (That’s 5 herbivores out of 8 without counting omnivores which pretty much are glorified herbivores now)

[dusky surge]

people do genuinely think maia and teno are OP sometimes

[elfin night]

Also I know you mentioned best bleed, but I think it would have been more accurate to say carnis had Giga on their side and that made the faction as a whole better

(seriously that thing was so overpowered)

[elfin night]

Until they play Maia

Spoiler alert: they don’t, why would they play boring herbivores eating green when they can use the super cool and amazing ceratosaurus

In fact

It’s actually baffling that we have someone complaining about trike/most herbs being op when

1. Lost in a 3v1 lol

2. Allo is in this HT

I am genuinely shocked

3 adult rexes dying to a trike has to be the funniest thing ever. I wish there was a clip

[faint robin]

It only needs a dmg buff if fracture gets nerfed

And the spam gets rid of.
Trike should also take reduced fracture on its head

Why wasn't it and allo spam bite even fixed in this patch? Is this the flawed big balance changes ppl were talking about?

[alpine sleet]

I cant figure out how 3 rexes managed to lose against a solo trike, thats way more impressive than winning

[alpine sleet]

Could you please give me the basics of trike vs rex? In growing a trike and never fought a rex, but i did fight a ton of trikes as a trike before

Like as a trike what should i do and how do i stop rex from locking in spar with me and just getting on my back with the side jump?

[crystal stream]

Comparing real life Stego who’s largest predator would have been no where close to the likes of a Rex it’s a bit more complicated then just if you can’t run fight

[golden coral]

The point was simply that real life stego was larger than our ingame (except prime), and that thus, if they wanted to they could up it's size, plus real life stego had incredible stability, and thus you could add that in some manner too in game, making it very hard to stun/stagger/knockdown a stego. Plus the whole tail reach and contraction to reach it's head with the tail (which it kind of can do, though the further angles of the jab attack aren't that great to use). Oh and it's missing the armor around/on it's head and neck that it had, if you need an argument for slightly less weak head multiplier at that, which could be another way of helping it out.

Pretty much every playable in the game wouldn't deal with most of the roster, we all know that. And we all know that realism does not actually matter for the game, so technically any critter can be made an apex if the devs wanted it. It's just strange that they put a playable that's pretty much entirely oriented around fighting into a spot where it has to run, which it is rather bad at doing, instead of looking at more of its fighting potential and working around that. And it's not as if it would be immersion breaking, or "unrealistic" to turn stego into a proper apex alongside the others, it'd even still be the weakest of them when it comes to brawling.

[native urchin]

stego was smaller than in game.... goes between 3 to 5 tons...... and it lived in the same age as allo, who was the apex carni of the time..... so the most he had to deal with was allo packs.... if it had a rex in front, considering the intelligence, night vision, basically completely silent walk, stego would stand no chance vs rex. it would die before it would realize what happend.

[golden coral]

No actually, stego was 7.5-8T by latest estimates. It was not small at all. And sure, it had to deal with allo, just like plenty of other critters didn't have to deal with each other, or didn't even work like they do in game.

[native urchin]

i dont find that weight anywhere, where did u find that info xD

[golden coral]

I'll go look at it, but you can ask in the paleo channel, it's from in there.

[native urchin]

i found an article that a specimen of 7 tons was found, but also adult that were much smaller..... bro must have hit all the requirements for prime XD

[golden coral]

It is probably likely that they weren't that big on average, but they could get that big, last I heard it was around 7.5T. But my entire point was that stegos were quite large, and so it wouldn't be immersion breaking or unrealistic to upsize if, and thus the potential to make it a proper apex is there. And it does have the weapons for it too, if you need a "reason" to why it can handle itself. And it does look and make more sense, to me at least, as a fighter than a runner.

[steep otter]

new prime elder cera speed

iam 87% here

[elfin night]

Not bad

[faint robin]

1 hit and rex insides becomes outsides
Noone cares about "kimg of the denosors" statement

[crystal stream]

Stego would have been much slower in real life compared to the instant tail swing not only that Stego most likely couldn’t use its tail in the way the isle Stego can instead it kinda just swans side to side Stego was also less intelligent but you can’t really translate that into the game Stego shouldnt be this almighty apex killer that’s untouched by carnivores smaller then apex

[golden coral]

Well, stego wouldn't have been able to run at all in real life. As for the jab, don't know how fast it could swing, but I'd guess it could do it fast enough to be useful, like most critters attck. But it could actually, or well, the jab is actually a good example of how it worked.

Stego could also contract its front body to have its tail reach up to the head, so there's that

[native urchin]

Some allos survived stego tail, pretty sure a Rex can! 😅

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be dangerous, but I think u guys forgetting that Rex was THE best hunter. Had all the tools to be the perfect hunter. Stego would definitely be in the menu!

[golden coral]

And I've no idea why you think it should be almighthy, but it could be an apex like the others, is the point

[crystal stream]

Stego wasn’t faster then Rex because it didn’t live with Rex it lived with allosaurus Stego can swing it’s tail fast but not isle fast not to mention it would been a lot slower menuvor well almost all dinosaurs in the isle would be

[faint robin]

Yet stego tail still pierced solid bone.
Rex wasn't the best hunter, prob had like 20% success rate and went mostly for young and sick
The best hunter is dragonfly or those small cats w 90% success rate.

[golden coral]

That one poor allo.... xD And yes, it certainly would, though I do wish the matchup was a little different, or at least that stego could fight full adults/prime vs prime, with added stun or something to help it out, while still making it dangerous as can be.

[native urchin]

Rex was killing in one bite😅

[faint robin]

Considering lion prides has 20ish % success rate

[crystal stream]

I meant to but shouldn’t I misclicked but Stego should not be a apex killer

[native urchin]

And was more intelligent than stego

[faint robin]

Ah thats why trikes have cool healed bite marks on their heads ig

[golden coral]

No, stego wasn't faster because it literally could not run xD And sure, though allos probably did not hunt fully grown stegos all that often. But still, you could ajdust stego to be more in line with the others if you wanted, and it's not as if it would be immersion breaking because there is precedent to make stego larger and more powerful/otherwise given interesting abilites like stun/knockdown resistance or some such.

[native urchin]

I mean, a lot of factors go into that, they can also survive months without food, in the isle u starve in 20 minutes😂

[golden coral]

I think it could be, though it should be the worst of the apexes at 1v1 other apexes, no doubt there.

[faint robin]

Intelligence doesn't count when stego can butcher rex in 1 hit

[native urchin]

They lived in the same era, so clearly trike was built to survive Rex!
Yet they still hunted them, but as u said going for weaker individuals, or ambushing them as 2! The back side was vulnerable

[faint robin]

If rex manages to hit first - stego is cooked
If stego does the same - rex is cooked
Stego def has good chance vs rex if they met each other

[crystal stream]

Stego could run just very slow also why would Stego need to if it can kill its largest predator put it in a environment with a predator it can’t fight either it’ll die out or adapt

[elfin night]

Doesn’t matter. One hit and it’s joever

Either way, what’s with the paleo talk here? Game obviously doesn’t care about realism, but game design and balance

stego should definitely have any means to not be rex fodder

[native urchin]

Idk man, Rex was huge compared to stego! Rex was surviving trikes horns, it could survive a stego tail.. but also depends where it hits I guess

[faint robin]

Rex won't survive trike horns as well as stego tail unless it hit smth like leg

[crystal stream]

For the game yeah sure but remember Stego is a not a full apex

[golden coral]

Well fair, it could shuffle/"run", but not like an actual run. And yeah, it didn't need to, it could handle predation just fine, clearly. And technically in the game it could as well, just like how multiple others are doing fine, and being apexes of their time, like herrera and dilo, and possibly cera too.

[native urchin]

It should be, if Rex is 3 tons + than it!
Stego has advantage aside from when it can’t stun Rex (when Rex is 2 tons bigger)… rest of times it can chase down a Rex to kill!

[faint robin]

Ingame i'll say stego should have ways of escaping rex and it does

[native urchin]

Right now, is Rex that can’t escape stegos😂

[faint robin]

So as trike can't escape stegos nor rexes

[golden coral]

I know. I'm merely making the argument that they could make it a full apex, that there is potential for stego to be that way, and be immersive enough. It's not like taking a kentro and making it an apex, stego is close enough in size and power (real life size at that) to where you could adjust stats and make it work out, and feel okay.

@crystal streamYou can look at stego in game, and reasonably go "Yeah that thing can fight off a rex" without it being silly, or at least I think you can.

[native urchin]

Yea, but can easily kill them! 1vs1 has the advantage, not taking skill into account

[faint robin]

So not an issue
If trike not being able to escape what it can't fight (rex pack) then rex not escaping stego group is also ok

[native urchin]

If Rex gets stunned, stego has the advantage… if Rex doesn’t get stunned then Rex clearly has advantage

[crystal stream]

Tbh I think a Rex would roll it but that’s just me and that’s not good for balance

[native urchin]

I mean, a trike should not survive 1vs2 Rexes

[golden coral]

You can look at my earlier posts, it's all from there. I was making the argument that stego is in an odd place, being a runner when it's entire design is about fighting. And that, with real life precedent (like real life 7.5-8T max size) plus the ability to lock legs and not be knocked over/down/moved, you could reasonably make it an apex in the game, and not have it be immersion breaking or otherwise.

[elfin night]

Nah bro, rex wins unless it fumbles

[faint robin]

It can't fight vs group nor escape them

[golden coral]

In real life, oh it would. In the game, I'm not sure, I don't think it would look out of place, immersion wise. But that is of course just an opinion so.

[crystal stream]

Yeah I agree just don’t want Stego to be untouchable by things like allo or smaller

[elfin night]

I don’t know if I want another 8 ton playable in the game

We’re surprisingly quite lacking in the 3-7 range

[elfin night]

What thing smaller than allo is going to be hunting stegos reliably at all?

[crystal stream]

Have you ever played the isle a day in your life

Stegos are always fun to fight at least for me

[elfin night]

I have, and I am asking you what playables you want capable of dealing with shells reliably out of the ones we have in the whole roster

I fear you’re going to say cerato or carno, but I will bite my tongue

[crystal stream]

Mainly as cera to to each there own

[elfin night]

Cera

[golden coral]

No, I figure allo/alberto size is where stego should start worrying, maybe not in a 1v1, but 1v2, and certainly up from there. Acro should be a concern 1v1, giga and rex even more so (but concern should be a matter of being very careful, not having to run, if you made stego a proper apex in stats and growth time). I firmly believe even an apex power stego should be the worst out of them all when it comes to brawling same size opponents, just like how I think it should be good vs smaller stuff, whereas a trike or rex would be more concerned with an omni pack for example, having more open flanks and less reach on their attacks.

[crystal stream]

Stego can deal with them just fine but making Stego untouchable is just bad from a gameplay standpoint

[elfin night]

The 1.4t corpse bully scavenger should be hunting 6t stegos reliably?

[crystal stream]

I agree

[crystal stream]

Are you dumb man

[elfin night]

That was quite uncalled for

[crystal stream]

It’s a dinosaur game just because something is bigger and can be attacked doesn’t automatically mean it’s reliably hunted

[elfin night]

And stego isn’t untouchable still. Just really hard to take on

[crystal stream]

Exactly

[golden coral]

Ideally my stego as an apex is your choice if you want to not have to deal with "anklebiters", whereas rex/trike is your choice if you want to be the king of the hill. And then adjust from there. Stego sees smaller playables, do not worry, but is afraid of larger. Trike is kind of the opposite, its built to handle large opponents, but might struggle vs smaller.

[crystal stream]

I’m not asking to nerf Stego I’m saying a buff to make it to good at destroying everything is no fun

[elfin night]

I know, but I wouldn’t nerf stego or buff anything below allo with the purpose of making it a more even matchup against a certain apex

And stego isn’t getting buffed to destroy everything

But rather not suck with other apexes

[golden coral]

Thats why you need to adjust stats otherwise, not just up the weight and call it a day xD

[crystal stream]

Devs love doing that tho

[golden coral]

Maybe so, but I wouldn't

[crystal stream]

Then it’s a good idea

[faint robin]

Nerf cera

[crystal stream]

Cera does need some nerf bruh

Things crazy good in ht rn

[faint robin]

It does and always needed

[steep otter]

They did

[faint robin]

Wth is 2 ton prime cera

[faint robin]

Wasnt even a nerf

More of a buff

[steep otter]

@faint robin

This is peak prime stats

[faint robin]

Still 2.1 tons

[crystal stream]

Ngl I don’t like allos pouncing playstyle

I like allo but I hate how it’s just a bigger Omni

[elfin night]

So?

39kph is great for that

[faint robin]

Clearly too much for already op playable lol

Its a scavenger not a hunter it is rn

[steep otter]

Iam almost 100% wait to u see how slow he gets when he is old

[elfin night]

If there is one thing that cera could keep, certainly it is health since tankiness is the whole point

If it is that slow, then it cannot be a teno nightmare at all, nor can it be as effective hunting and forcing people into fights with its charged bite

Speed nerf seems pretty solid there

@steep otter And how much is the fg? Slower than that?

[steep otter]

36km

For the old

[elfin night]

On adult too?

[steep otter]

Adult i dont know, i reached elder before the update

But i think its not 40 anymore

Since peak prime is 39

And prime still is making all other dinos faster

[elfin night]

So…38 maybe? That would be peak

[steep otter]

Likely

[elfin night]

I was talking about that idea a few days ago, it’s nice to see it in game even though I had no participation in it

Now you can give it that health and it will be fine

Only thing cera would need now is instant speed decrease on charged bite and we would be great

[faint robin]

Its a dibble nightmare since it also turns on a dime and has a lot of stupid buffs

[elfin night]

Sounds like a complicated fight, but I wouldn’t say that the health is necessarily the issue

[native urchin]

Yea, well, a solo cera can’t escape 2/3 carnos, should we buff it to make it valuable vs 2/3 carnos?😂

Solo vs group of same size u have disadvantage, it’s normal

[steep otter]

@analog mirage

[analog mirage]

That’s only at 100% though since you aged

[elfin night]

Prime is 39

[analog mirage]

Oh so the prime gets in general slower now?

[elfin night]

It has been shown right now in the image levy did quote

[steep otter]

Yup

[analog mirage]

Yay

[steep otter]

It used to be 39

[elfin night]

Cera ate a speed nerf

[steep otter]

At 100%

[elfin night]

That’s half of the battle

#balance-feedback message balance feedback of the year

[analog mirage]

So the adult is still 40 though right

But it gets slower instead of faster as a prime

[steep otter]

I dont know

I reached elder before the update

But i think its slower

[elfin night]

I will wait for Kouga to say anything

But 37-38 adult cera would be good

[steep otter]

Becouse i loged in at 86% and still was gaining some speed them at 87.5% it started to falloff

[faint robin]

Solo rex can indeed fight solo stego

If stego weighs the same it means stego is bigger
Which also can't count since young stages are meant to be vulnerable
Same as smaller trike can't escape nor fight bigger rex

[native urchin]

as it should since its 3+ tons bigger xD

sub/adult rex being 6/7 ton vs stego is a fair fight.. its pretty balanced: stego cant miss swing, and rex has to bait adn not get hit

[faint robin]

Not saying it shouldn't

[sullen dragon]

#balance-feedback message

@tropic moon ? I had a stroke reading that lol

Idk whether you’re complaining about Rex or trike

[tropic moon]

trike lol

to op

[golden coral]

@alpine sleet Why?

[alpine sleet]

im not sure but i wanted to suggest that so maybe people agree with me

maybe they turn too fast for me

[sullen dragon]

Twin…

That’s a deserved clown emoji take

[crimson crater]

pachy has a bad turn radius for its size

omni i can see, but like that’s its whole deal

[heavy musk]

horde have problems

[elfin night]

call me crazy, but maybe requesting nerfs to some of the most mid playables atm isnt something you should do if receiving support is the end goal

Nerfing pachy and then omni sounds terrible

[keen plover]

If pachy is bad, then what is dilo lol

[hasty coyote]

Especially nerfing their agilities, which is the main reason they have a chance to survive carno at all

[hasty coyote]

Downright abysmal

[keen plover]

lol

[elfin night]

Abysmal

Oh hey rapdex said the same and I didnt read it lol

[elfin night]

and also land the ability consistently

both of them

that sounds like a nerf that would kill both

[hasty coyote]

Yeah, other aspects I can def see being tuned down and having their power budget adjusted. But agility is just not one of those. These are supposed to be some of the most agile dinos, just let them be agile.

[elfin night]

and honestly, with how there are so few truly balanced playables, we need to buff most of them rather than nerf

There’s far more below average playables than above it

[alpine sleet]

Well i have a like tho

[dusky surge]

thats you

that like is you lmao

you

[elfin night]

Lmaooooo

[steep otter]

Dilo is either stupid OP or trash there is never a in between

[hasty coyote]

based purely on if its clones work or not.

[elfin night]

Thats why I hate it

I hate coinflip playables

[elfin night]

People love complain about allo right click supremacy but to this day dilo is still the king of winning just by right clicking or simply losing because right click doesn’t work

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
What kind of villain are you

[dusky surge]

i still cant get over the fact that he said "i have a like tho" and the only like on that post is from him, the dude who posted the feedback lmao

[maiden temple]

Oof

[elfin night]

That was so peak

[elfin night]

Asking for a pachy nerf is like top 3 worst balance suggestions you could ever make

In my opinion the only ones that are genuinely worse are “buff deino can hunt apexes” and “nerf dryo/hypsi”

[crimson crater]

one step above hell itself

[hasty coyote]

Honestly I’m still calling for an indirect pachy nerf by making leg fracture not instant death. But with that gone, they can give pachy so much more power.

[elfin night]

That’s fair

If they buff pachy, I would be okay with fracture tiers or not making the leg break a prolonged death cutscene not much unlike pinning

[dusky surge]

with rex as it is, fracture rework is more pressing than ever

[hasty coyote]

I have been saying leg fracture is just instant death when fighting anything with even minimal kill power. And now they gave leg fracture to the thing with prob the highest kill power in the game.

[native urchin]

i dont know what an animal with a broken leg could be doing though.... it is frustating, but a leg brake its a pretty devastating injury.

[slim dragon]

fracture tiers

[native urchin]

making it like path of titans? taht system is pretty bad

[slim dragon]

Idk how path of titans does it but just because PoT has fracture tiers and the execution is bad doesn't mean the concept is bad

[native urchin]

i dont mind the isle being brutal... i actually think it has become softer and easier to play compared to before

it is meant to be an horror survival game in the end

[slim dragon]

Fracture tiers don't necessarily mean making the game less brutal
On the contrary
It means fracture can become a more nuanced mechanic rather than an on/off

[native urchin]

so like, making it slower the more u break it but not rihgt away crippling it?

[slim dragon]

yeah

[hasty coyote]

Mainly it just doesn’t need to disable alt attacks and 90% of other attacks. Disabling certain kicks and all mobility abilities is fine tho.

Potentially also decrease the slow %

Since carno now needs to charge to get high speed, the slow % does need to be that high for pachy to still be faster

[native urchin]

it would be a huge nerf to playables that heavily rely on it though, and only pachy and rex have it.

if rex doesnt cripple with one pin anything maia and below it probably means it wont eat, and well, pachy really relies on breaking bones to have the advantage

[slim dragon]

Did I say they couldn't cripple in one hit ?

[native urchin]

alt attacks rely on movement though, makes sense u cant alt.... i think that it only disables attacks that need legs if im not mistaken:
stego can swing
teno can slam
carnis can bite
trike and dibble cant use spar cause its leg based

[hasty coyote]

Rex already 1-taps anything Maia and below with pin. And pachy def would need buffs in other areas, but that’s def a good thing for pachy overall.

[native urchin]

i think pachy is in a good spot now! of course the cera buff doesnt help it, but now they made cera slower overall, so maybe it balances the matchup again. beginnin of HT i played pachy and its definitely way more valuable than before, and its lowkey very scary to fight a pachy, considering in fact that if u fight a pachy, the risk of being crippled is high, which not only leaves u vulnerable in that fight, but also for the next few minutes

i guess, pachy just needs to not have the self stun everytime it attacks XD that shi is silly

[hasty coyote]

I could care less about how realistic it is, it’s not healthy for all the dinosaurs who have fracture mechanics. They basically have to be balanced entirely around that one single fracture because it’s essentially instant death. Which means any other fracture is practically useless in comparison and still leaves the Dino incredibly vulnerable.

Or the Dino is balanced around other fractures and is op because it can just turn you off midway through a fight

[hasty coyote]

It’s in a solid spot with the weight buff, but it’s still in an incredibly polarizing position. It either completely curb stomps its opponents with knockdowns or leg fracture, or it’s just mid.

[native urchin]

yea, but a herd of pachy is still one of the scariest thing to meet xD

taking away its own stun after each attack that forces it to trade everytime basically, would make it much better.... idk why they keep the self stun

[hasty coyote]

A group of anything is terrifying, except pachies are slower than most things its size, deal low damage, don’t have that much hp, and have a hard weight cap that they physically can’t harm. Compare that to something like Omnis who only need to land like 3 pounces at once to instakill anything pachies can even attempt to fight, and closer to like 5 over the whole fight if not. Or compare to dilos who (if their venom works) just bite you once each and then you die to hallucinations.

[native urchin]

tbh pachy dominates anything in its weight class: dilo and omni are not hard to deal with, nad u most likely break em in one good hit

[hasty coyote]

It’s there BECAUSE of leg fracture. Without it, you genuinely just have 0 chance of fighting back against even a single pachy who managed to get a lucky leg fracture.

[native urchin]

body fracture is also very good vs dilo and omni... plus u knock em on them. omni cant pounce u pretty much with body fracture, cause it runs out of stam so quick,

idk, especially with the weight buff, i had 0 trouble with omni and dilo (i guess i didnt meet many of them), but i was able to fight ceras better, and more fairly. even 1vs1 some ceras (not good ceras of course)

[hasty coyote]

with the weight buff, I do agree now, but its also MUCH slower for a reason

[native urchin]

isnt it faster than before? i thought it was buffed a bit!

i played it a bunch on the HT, but not very often on main branch, so i didnt really rememebr the original speed..... but maybe prime just made it feel faster in general

[hasty coyote]

body fracture does nothing against dilo, dilo doesn't have any stam costs other than sprinting. If it burns all its stam sprinting before it kills a pachy, its not winning that fight. Head and leg are the only ones that matter because head makes it so the clones wont kill you in seconds and the dilo can no longer just face tank you, and leg fracture is just death.

Again, I don't think pachy's matchups against the other small tiers are that bad, the weight buff helped a lot. The main issue is the fact that its advantage state with leg fracture against larger targets is still incredibly oppressive, but literally anything else about pachy is nowhere near because leg fracture is taking up like 50% of pachy's power budget.

[hasty coyote]

adult is the same speed iirc, still 41.3, prime is def faster though, reaches like dilo speed (which is incredibly op)

The main thing about leg fracture though is that its not a pachy exclusive issue, its an issue with rex as well and will likely continue to be an issue with any future fracture dino. It should be a heavy debuff like all fractures, but it shouldnt be better than both other fractures combined x2.

[elfin night]

Yeah my problem with pachy how it is such a feast or famine playable. Similar to dilo but with more agency than trusting right click. You either obliterate everything with a lucky ambush (which also defeats the point of pachy, as you’re better off playing it as a troll pick) or you get demolished by a body fractured dilo or omni after missing one headbutt

Also guys, what do you think about the idea of making stego kentro more about being a discouraging prey that won’t necessarily kill someone directly? Something I mentioned recently about maybe having true bleed oriented playables that might actually kill someone with bleed for playing poorly

[hasty coyote]

If it doesnt kill someone directly, it wont kill them at all. If it doesnt kill them at all, then theres nothing stopping someone from either just killing them and then continuing on, or killing them and then dying shortly after. Either way, the kentro/stego dies and doesnt have fun. Thats why any defensive ability must be able to flat out stop the opponent, rather than just discourage them.

If you mean not directly as in the bleed will kill them rather than raw damage, its a really cool idea but is gonna be a very tricky slope to balance. Give them too little bleed, and they just die. Too much bleed and now the target can't chase or back off, they're forced to stop moving. Either way, you end up in the same position pachy is in with its fractures, except all in a single debuff thats tied to pretty much every attack in the game.

bleed is inherently offensive, so you would likely have to add some form of secondary debuff other than bleed that is defensive in nature to take effect before the target just falls over dead from bleed.

[golden coral]

Combine some kind of internal high level bleed + a high powered stun and it might work. You'd probably need to make sure that the playable can both inflict bleed and then get sufficiently far away that any chase what so ever, is a death sentence. While also, due to vunerabilities or low raw damage, making sure that the playable can and will run away rather than try to stay and continue the fight.

[elfin night]

I can’t be the only one who wants magy to give vomit sickness buildup from being bitten at least in certain spots

[hasty coyote]

I also want that for magy, but it will prob need other defensive options too. The single vomit stun will only go so far

[elfin night]

I totally agree

I thought that maybe it could also do with some damage reduction somewhere like the shoulders or be able to use the vomit stun to break free from pounces and pins for free

And then have pretty heavy cc for its size

But I can’t quite think if it would need more for any specific matchup

Since I’m assuming it could probably just stun to gain priority and win against stuff like dilos or omnis, and then flee from stuff like allos

Which funnily enough aged well considering allo is…37 I believe?

[hasty coyote]

adult allo is 35, I think the prime currently goes up to about 37.

[elfin night]

Oh great then

38kph magy

[frosty heron]

That just doesnt work precisely because bleed will prevent people to run away as running just makes the bleed worse

[elfin night]

Any ideas to make dryo’s pick rate increase?

[frosty heron]

It will make Stegos turn into them after landing an attack and then just chase even if theyre slower than the attacker, they gonna eventually stop to prevent a bleed out

[elfin night]

It feels like it is already super mega buffed and in a great spot stat wise, but I don’t what else could increase its popularity while people wait for burrowing

[frosty heron]

500 kg Prime Elder Dryo with a kick that does absurd bleed

[elfin night]

Iframes on the dodge to avoid pins would be peak

[maiden temple]

I doubt it will change until burrowing, it's just plain boring as is

[elfin night]

💔

[maiden temple]

Even if it was running at 70km/h it would still be a niche pick

[elfin night]

That face when you realize dryo has been in the game for a longer time than hypsi

[maiden temple]

And there used to be groups of them 🙁

[elfin night]

True

It would be hilarious though

Poor herbivores

[maiden temple]

I miss my huge teno herds as well..

[elfin night]

At least I got maia which is a playable I didn’t expect to like as much when I absolutely LOATHED it in legacy for being such an op crutch

Hoping para is “more of the same” (I still want it to be unique, but hadrosaur gameplay is peak)

I love tanks that can actually run

[maiden temple]

I hope para has nice sounds :3

[elfin night]

And throw their weight around

[elfin night]

I was just thinking that maybe it would be cool for para to have different types of calls. Not necessarily paleo, but more so different vocalizations for example between males and females due to crest shape

Also please sonic stun

Although rather than a stagger I would like more types of cc

Perhaps some partial blind could work like how a certain character in R6 does

[maiden temple]

I hope for beautiful songs so I can listen to them while travelling 😄

[mint star]

I had a concept idea in general feedback regarding Corythosaurus being able to flash bang things with its crest

like it was bioluminescent but only towards its own species

and could charge up light or something in its crest and release it to blind nearby creatures

[maiden temple]

The beacon

I wonder if we'll get scent marking, since smelling is already in game. I wanna mark trees and stuff when I pass so another teno can find me

A better alternative to 1 calling since it mostly attracts danger lol

[elfin night]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-tzitzi-ya-ku-gif-11916266066979387972

[dusky surge]

iframes were hard rejected a while ago on anything

[elfin night]

This is what I mean https://youtu.be/S-GbWD_gMmY?si=feTfSyOUcWozitMe

More or less

[elfin night]

Damn…

[faint robin]

https://youtu.be/rLME-zGOer0?si=1BQV0tD_IBND7kn0 good trike vs good rex
And it seems way way harder for a trike than it is for rex

Rex turns stupidly fast for it's size

[frosty heron]

Hes even posting on his video "If the Rex makes a mistake its over" , but sure its easier for the Rex 😂

Number of mistakes you can do with Rex: 1

Number of mistakes you can do as Trike: Probably more than 4

1 CC and a Thrast on the body already puts you down to 50% hp , its not easy by any means , even if the Rex turns fast

What its hard for the Trike is too keep his back safe on open areas , as it should have some weakness

[viscid mica]

@graceful mural pachy does have a head swing as its base attack? You should maybe go to settings and make sure manual alt is on

[graceful mural]

I know that what I'm referring to is pachys LMB attack being changed from a bite to a head swing. I probably could have worded it better

[viscid mica]

It is a head swing just a small one meant for moving attacks

It’s over all not really worth using thou

[graceful mural]

Yes I know, I believe that changing pachys bite to a head swing not only would buff pachys kit but also have it make more sense for the animal. The same way ceratopsians don't bite when hitting LMB. Nearly every other animal has a viable means of defense while moving (teno kick, mia shove, galli kick, every carnivore has a bite) so i believe pachy having a head swing similar to legacy that does ~50 damage maybe would allow pachy to be able to defend itself without have to stop. But that's just my opinion.

[faint robin]

1 mistake from trike and rex is behind - will stay there till trike fracture

[viscid mica]

It does have a head swing that does about 50 damage

Well 30 to be exact

[faint robin]

erm trike is meant to be in open areas to avoid ambushes from rex

[viscid mica]

^

It won’t change its ability to defend itself

It’s LMB attack is there but it’s rmb or alt LMB are its primary sources of dps

[faint robin]

and even after that rex can still kill trike if it gets behind

Trike is needed to do 2 cc and thrash all landed to kill rex which turns like a big cera

Why are ppl saying trike should avoid open areas when it clearly should stick to open areas to avoid ambushes. Literally the whole trike thing

[graceful mural]

I agree that those should still be it's primary defence/most efrecite means of attack and this should't be any replacement for those but it makes more sense for pachy to swing it's head at you rather then bite this would allow pachy to be more capable of defending itself. I'm gonna stop responding now but have a good day/evening.

[faint robin]

By that logic trike should avoid playing cuz in the open it gets outturned by ceratotyrannus rex and in the more forest areas it gets ambushed

[viscid mica]

Pachy doesn’t bite it does swing thou? It’s LMB is a little head flick that simply does poor damage

[faint robin]

Pachy bites

[native urchin]

left click is a bite

alt attack is an head swing

[viscid mica]

Left click is a lil head flick bruh

[faint robin]

its a bite

[native urchin]

it bites downwards

does 30dmg, just as its bite force indicates

[viscid mica]

And flicks its head up which is the damage frame

This isn’t a balancing feedback is what I’m trying to say it’s a animation preference

[frosty heron]

You can cancel spar mode and alt attack to recolocate your head , if the Rex stays behind its because you let him stay there , as ive seen in the video the Trike landed couple CC attacks in most of the fights

Rex turning is good but Trike can turn around better holding RMB while on spar mode and walking backwards

[viscid mica]

Not exactly trike has no real turn to get him back on the front easily a good Rex can easily stay out of hitbox and on the butt

[frosty heron]

Sure if the Rex gets the ambush has 1 crush less to land which starts on advantage but the video shows a doable turn around for the Trike and probably winned most of the fights

[faint robin]

Rex turn doesn't even look like it fits rex itself

Just a 10 ton animal turning like a legacy spino

[viscid mica]

Ignoring the speed at which alt rmb can be thrown to 180 you too

[frosty heron]

Can you just watch the video again , what are you asking for now a turn speed nerf?

All I can see on the video is that the Trike won 3/4 of the fights , not sure what needs to be nerfed now

[viscid mica]

Nothing tbf

Right now

Probably change when other apex’s drop and the turn is showing its colours in those fights thou especially carni v carni

I would say a slight slowdown on the speed of alt RMB is in order

ATM it throws out faster than pachy alt LMB

And is a death scentence to anything it touches that’s under 70% of Rex’s weight due to the stun/knockdown

Plus it hits the entire swing zone so it can stun more than 1 target

[frosty heron]

That Rex never that attack against the Trike , in fact its useless against Trikes and Stegos as youre giving your head into their attacks , and if im not mistakes those do not CC big targets

Alt RMB is meant to exist to use it against smaller playables

[viscid mica]

Yes I’m talking about it vs smaller playables

[faint robin]

I'll say fracture amount to trike's head from rex cuz why is it getting same fracture as body hit

[frosty heron]

Its speed is good ngl but I feel like its alr , just needs to be properly watched closely against those carni vs carni hunts

[viscid mica]

It’s too fast for something so large + with a sweeping hitbox like that accounting for desync is sometimes ni undodgeable plus it has basically no attack cooldown afterwards it’s like maybe 1 second if not less

[frosty heron]

Crush to Trike head should be now putting both on spar mode , if its doing fracture damage im sure it is a bug

[native urchin]

no, it should stay like this! fighting a rex should be dangerous and very difficult.... rex already has to manage well its stam, fighting smaller to be able to one shot them is necessary.... talking about allo and cera mostly, since the others all die with a bite alt attack anyways

[faint robin]

Yeah it does fracture dmg and rex only needs 4 of those to fracture trike

[faint robin]

Trike alt attack is way slower

[frosty heron]

Fracture damage to head shouldnt happen but 4 normal crushes for a fracture is fine , thats already half stam pool gone

[native urchin]

yea but trike has spar mode, rex doesnt, its more suited to fight multiple targets moving around! (nto taking in consideration how visually buggy it is that sometimes u dont even know when a trike/dibble is facing you)

[viscid mica]

If your fighting a large group of things under 5tons and are burning through stam your doing it wrong first off why are you wasting stam or using stuff that costs a ton of stam? 2nd as I said it throws out faster than pachy alt LMB its insanely fast and has a large sweeping hitbox its far too oppressive fighting a Rex will be hard no matter what slightly slowing down its alt rmb to force you to actually think before spamming a attack that garanteed a kill on anything under 5tons if it hits

[faint robin]

Half stam pool to kill a trike is kinda low tbh

[frosty heron]

You gotta be joking right? Half stam to crush a Trike and the rest to finish it off

[open path]

I'm growing a trike rn in your experience whats the best way to deal with rexes? Only use spar mode? I had thought of using alt attack since they can get behind you fast, alt attack to then stun to thrash

[frosty heron]

While Trike doesnt use even 10% of stamina while defending itself

[faint robin]

Spar and block
Alt attack doesnt stun

[open path]

I see, well not about stunning just getting to face the rex easier as I saw plenty videos of rexes easily biting behind

[faint robin]

Yeah block helps that

[open path]

I see so block to turn faster?

[frosty heron]

Block + walk backwards or rather cancel spar and alt

[faint robin]

Kinda, also reduces dmg even more

[open path]

Thanks guys

Much appreciated

[viscid mica]

Trikes alt attack speed and turn ratio is a joke compared to Rex ngl

But that’s to be expected

[native urchin]

i mean, most definitely! people running out of stamina and complaining that allo pins them its crazy to me XD out of stam = death. period! stam managment is important for all playables.

tbh the attack is pretty avoidable, bait it out and rex has enough of a cooldown on the attack to go in

[frosty heron]

Yes but had you seen the hitbox tho¿

Doesnt work for bigger species but I got a surprise bluetooth hit while playing Omni on a Trike alt attack

[faint robin]

Pins can't be fun to play against

[native urchin]

i never used block to be honest, u outdamage a rex.... just keep it always in front of u by using spar backwards and force spar mode... and do the flip attack constantly. doing the block slows u donw, and leaves an opening ofr teh rex to get behind in my opinion

[viscid mica]

Not really the cool down is super small try alt spamming and you’ll see how small it is, you have maybe enough time if your RIGHT THERE but beyond that even if your right there accounting for desync there’s a 50% chance even if your right there you’ll eat another RMB alt

[faint robin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Xq4EeH98lA4?si=CFOqWrXFh30O8EEi good pin to win example

Allos literally fumbled everything and still pinslopped the dibble

[viscid mica]

The hitbox is its entire head and its sweeping meaning the entire attack animation applies the attack like I said anything under 5 tons gets dropped or stunned

[frosty heron]

Its far bigger than that as I died and the Trike didnt even touched me

[native urchin]

meh, fighting raptors pack as teno was fun to me.... managin stam was very important since only 2 could pin me if i was low.... i always manage to keep my stam (even without tactile endurance, since i always run gastro on teno)

[open path]

Thrash is a death sentence yea? I saw many thrashing and then the rex just gets behind you

[viscid mica]

Oh your talking about trike alt

Yeah trikes entire horn hitbox is like another 2-3ft foward it’s a little much could use some tweaking same with its thrash reaching just behind its shield leaving many Rex’s confused how they took damage

[open path]

Not fun at all that eh

[native urchin]

yes, i never thrashed.... unless i knew i was way ahead in dmg and i could risk it.... keep your cool, dont be aggressive... let the rex do the first move and u keep a defensive position moving sideways and backwards.... rex will have to get close enough to be easily hit

[frosty heron]

Yeah that is what actually making Trike perform well against smaller playables is those elongated hitboxes

[open path]

Gotcha thanks!

[native urchin]

yea... i do not love that.... i think it should be more than 101% of the weight.

but grappling cause the prey is out of stam i dont disagree

[frosty heron]

If that attack just hits as it should it could use a speed buff I dont mind

[viscid mica]

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again allo SHOULD NOT be able to tap pounce like omni and troodon

[frosty heron]

One of the reasons I like Dibble alt way more

[viscid mica]

Tell me about it lost a entombed allo to them slongs reaching 3 ft into the future

[frosty heron]

Honestly on that video the Dibble actually did good , what I dont understand its why his thrash attack does only 1 hit of damage while Trike does 2

[faint robin]

Dibble does 2 hits

[frosty heron]

Doesnt feel like it , or it does way less damage

[faint robin]

Its just dibble doing normal dmg while trike nukes

[native urchin]

realistically and ideally an animal can carry more than its own weight... i see buffalos dragging 3/4 even 5 lions on it for a bit before falling to the ground.... So i would like to be more than just 101% of the weight...

teno vs omni i didnt mind, letting 3 omni on you its a skill issue, but 2? only 2 is potentially very easy to do if prey doesnt have anything to help getting them down

[faint robin]

Dibble does 2 normal hits

[viscid mica]

Different Dino different attack

The real difference between why dibbles are being destroyed by allos is coming down to dps allos have way more reliable source of DPS where as dibbles only real power is CC and it’s CC only holds real value against things smaller than it by a sizeable margins

Dibbles are simply being out dps’d because pounce costs very little stam to maintain and does extremely high damage

[faint robin]

Allo bite still being spammable hell baffles me

[viscid mica]

We got dilo bite speed allos before omni bite speed buff

[native urchin]

same..... just give it a higher bite force but slower bite XD that shi is insane

[faint robin]

Nah no higher bite force

It already has cheap af pounce and pin

[viscid mica]

Na buff bite force make it have to charge its lunge before you can throw it + higher stam cost to stay on

[native urchin]

im not talking anything crazy, but 200/210 would be enough.... with good bleed

[viscid mica]

It’s bleed is plenty good where it is thank you very much 😭

[native urchin]

once they fix the knocking down, it will be less oppressive.... pounce is very situational, and its always been pretty easy to counter..... all u need is a tree (taking into account they fix collision ofc)

[native urchin]

i havent been on since the last update, but they turned down the bleed a lot now i heard no?

[viscid mica]

Yes but I don’t think you realize how high it was before

A juvi like under 100kg juvi could bleed out a FG dibble in about 5mins with just afew seconds of pouncing

[native urchin]

like, instead of the cool but weird claw attacks, i would have rather allo to have a sort of hatchet bite that would deal bleed.... with a longer animation of the bite

[viscid mica]

Now you can’t but it’s still very high

[viscid mica]

Na claws for bleed attacks is better plus you can throw them to the side hehehe

[native urchin]

yea i know, i played XD i picked traumatic thrombosis on anything i played ahaha

i just havent been able to test since the update, so idk how it is now

[viscid mica]

Still strong, but not juvenile God stronger

[native urchin]

the claw attack knocks? or u mean it "pulls" u to the side

[viscid mica]

You have to actually grow to get the good bleed

[native urchin]

which makes sense finally xD

im still disappointed in the pounce... hopefully they implement the animation meant to allo soon

[native urchin]

does claw do good dmg? or is it mostly to deal bleed?

[viscid mica]

Bleed

[native urchin]

nice!

[faint robin]

Nah allo bleed is still too good
It literally goes down in seconds (im fresh spawn trike was attacked by fresh spawn allo)

Trike does nothing in comparison

[viscid mica]

Yeah, that’s something I noticed

Stuff like trike and Stango when they’re large enough to have large spikes and or horns don’t even do half the bleed allo does

[open path]

Idk bro I fought 3 about fg allos today as a 4.6 ton trike and held my own for a good time, although now thay I think about it they didn't manage to pounce me, but their bite speed was insane which what got me eventually

[viscid mica]

Like WHY IS STEGO not doing that good of bleed if not better?

[native urchin]

yea but they do x10 the raw dmg

[viscid mica]

Stego has the most reason to do that bleed

[viscid mica]

They are 10x the size so I’d hope so they do damage appropriately for their size so they should also do bleed

Stego of all things should have some of the highest bleed damage in the game

[native urchin]

yea, im talking same size though! 3 ton allo vs 3 ton stego, stego still one shots the allo basically (considering knockdown + follow up)...which im totally fine with

[viscid mica]

Uhhhh no…

I don’t even thing it knocks it over

I’m pretty sure it only staggers it

[native urchin]

true, it doesnt knock same size

[viscid mica]

And allo can match dps by pouncing

Plus allo bleeds that stego out in a minute or less

[native urchin]

its impossible to pounce a stego, unless it gets baited.... which there is no reason to be baited, since PS has priority over pounce

[viscid mica]

Well if it’s 1v1 sure

It when do you ever see allos alone?

Allo is not a 1v1 Dino anyway

Allo loses basically everyone matchup with things its size 1v1

Hell even Maia stand a good chance 1v1

[native urchin]

i mean, they can be max 3... u can keep an eye on 3 pretty easily, sine they are also slow as hell! allo is not an issue for stegos tbh imo

[viscid mica]

FG v FG sure

[native urchin]

at the state pounce is now at least.... cause also when they jump off, allo is still in range of the poweswing

[viscid mica]

If the stego ain’t FG on the other hand….

[viscid mica]

Yeah

[native urchin]

u stun them pretty quickly in your growth... isnt stego 3 tons at 50%?

[viscid mica]

I don’t like the stun after dismount why not have a delay in launch to allo for counter rather than artificially debuffing them after success?

[viscid mica]

Think so

It that’s like 3 hours of play time too

[native urchin]

yea i mean, as rex i took advantage of that.... they pounced, i bucked and waited till i could alt swing to knock and crush

[viscid mica]

Ya but it’s super artificial rather than making it a skill based use

I’d rather a delay in pounce launch than a stun for leaving a pounce

It effectively makes pouncing a death mission for certain large targets when the actual act of mounting should be the hard part not leaving

[viscid mica]

If it’s 1v1 ya that’s the easy way

ATM with the self stun when dismounting it’s effectively impossible to hunt larger prey if there is more than 1 even if the size difference is minimum

Unless you severely overpack it’s extremely easy to punish allo during the dismount and if your a duo fighting 3 you can easily bait the mounted to dismount by faking going to attack them while the mounted which allows the second or first to easily punish the dismount even if both are on the other person if they can’t pin or aren’t in position too you lose even if they can’t pin the one your on goes and attacks freeing them you lose either way

It’s poor design that discourages you from hunting larger prey even if the size difference is minimum simply due to numbers

Matter fact

I’m making a feedback

[native urchin]

no was multiple, and mu crushed bugged and i couldnt use it for a bit (pounce does that sadly sometiems)

[native urchin]

yep, as of right now pouncing is pretty much a death sentence unless u can grapple the target, or kill in one pounce

[viscid mica]

You used crush in the middle of a fight with more than 1?

[viscid mica]

Or if it’s alone

[native urchin]

it was 2 + sub... i sure did, it one shots them! i killed all, but traumatic thrmbosis saved me (i was a 6.2 tons rex)

[viscid mica]

Oh I mean if it 1 shot them

[native urchin]

i mean, it pinned them and died fairly quickly

[viscid mica]

But ngl you got lucky imo using crush in a 1vX deserves to be a death scentence

That’s like using a spin in a real sword fight

Looks cool super impractical and leaves you wildly exposed

[native urchin]

wdym, rex is a tank... its basically the same as using thrash as trike when u knock someone.... u take out one!

then i gess it depends what u fight, if another attack one shots then sure!
but with gatro being a thing, killin is awlays best, or they just go heal while u fight the others XD

[native urchin]

or use it to bait the others to attack u.... if they stand there and bite u can cancel the pin and knock the other (first pinned if not dead, its leg broken), and u catch 2 pretty quickly

ninjayas does that very well vs multiple allos

[viscid mica]

If the allos where smart you’d have lost that cuz they’d get on you and get full mount value than just circle you till your bleed runs out but that’s just me

[viscid mica]

Ninjayas uses hacks lmao

He got caught in 4K 😭

[native urchin]

idk, i just see yt videos, which hacks does he use?

[viscid mica]

Not sure I’m not the admin who banned him

But that’s why he ain’t in the discord anymore and he is often referred to as “Voldemort or he who shall not be named” in main chat

[native urchin]

yea, they pounced me too much, if they stopped pouncing me and just wait me out i would have bled out XD... but because crush bugged... and i couldnt crush right away, so they pounced me like 3 times

[open path]

Damn bruh I liked that guy 😭

[viscid mica]

Meh that’s allo mains for you

[frosty heron]

I was eyeing the combo , what does you make think he uses hacks and did not get banned for another reason?

I dont have context but I do watch his videos and doesnt seem he uses anything fishy , hes just good at the game

[native urchin]

oh... i had no idea!

regardless in the videos it dont seem like dmg ones..... if its esp doesnt really help in combat!, so the skill is still there

[viscid mica]

His main isle acc got banned sir

I doubt he is gonna post any fishy footage 😂

[open path]

In his videos there's definitely nothing fishy imo

[viscid mica]

He’s not dumb nor particularly bad but he was caught

[open path]

Maybe esp to get easy grows or some oh well

[frosty heron]

Lowkey why using hacks when you can play the game properly? If so he hiddes the hacks very well

[viscid mica]

I won’t get into it as I’m pretty sure staff doesn’t like it being talked about as it was a whole scandal

[native urchin]

regardless, his style worked very well with my poor skill and controller use 😂

[viscid mica]

this game ain’t built for controllers 😂

[native urchin]

i know, but i am! i was not gonna change for the isle, so i learned how to adapt controller to the game 😉

[viscid mica]

As I said I won’t get into it due to staff but I’d presume if anything it’d be ESP for finding things to survive

But that’s my presumption as I’m not staff nor the one who reported him

I just heard about it down the pipe line and that he is now forever known as “he who shall not be named”

[native urchin]

took me around 600h to get smooth with it!

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/voldemort-harry-potter-avada-kedavra-gif-12401009

[viscid mica]

Oml that’s dedication

[open path]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-dont-speak-his-name-gif-12688511

[native urchin]

im a console player, my finger coordination on M&K is abysmal, and im 30! i was not gonna go through the pain of learning

[viscid mica]

Feels

On the console part not 30 😂

[native urchin]

they come for everyone

[frosty heron]

Noted , ill stay on the main topic

Why people feels like Pachy needs more buffs btw?

Rn its excelling as solo hunter better than Omni and Dilo

Just because it can leg fracture

[viscid mica]

One day not today thou

[viscid mica]

No idea with the weigh up significantly improving it’s consistency on breaks (and possible damage buff not sure yet need to test on a test server) plus some sync issues being fixed it’s way better

Pachy doesn’t need anything atm

Sorry for the delay I was writing as Ted talk on allo pounce in balance feedback

[native urchin]

Yea pachy is in a good spot tbh! In a herd is deadly, and even solo is very good in its own class! They weight buff was really needed.

Only one thing maybe, the self stun, no animal has a self stun when hitting a target! Idk why pachy has it

[frosty heron]

That would not be a problem if the attack was always doing stuns on land and not only once but that was the main reason Pachy was toxic back on Spiro version

Could be fixed with a sigly better recovery on landing

[native urchin]

no i mean self stun... pachy after the attack even if it hits, stays there for a long second that basically makes it trade everytime

if it misses i would keep it as it is, but if it hits it shouldnt be punished!
the attack already stuns/kocks targets based on weights, which is good

[hasty coyote]

It’s a peck not a swing…

[viscid mica]

Is it TOE MATO. Or TA MATO

Same difference it’s a animation preference not a balancing feedback

[hasty coyote]

Fair enough, that I do agree on

[viscid mica]

Tbf I got too into the specifics 😂

[dawn cipher]

@shadow vortex #balance-feedback message
I have a sneaking suspicion that hypsi is bugged on HT, or maybe latency? Sometimes you can see its stamina tick down in multiple visible chunks after jumping, usually double or triple the regular jump cost, that doesn't get refunded by regular post-jump ticks. I'm never opposed to a hypsi buff, but curious if you've seen this issue as well or if we're talking base jump cost

[open path]

Solo trike killed 2 rexes fg !!!!! Lets go baby

@native urchin @faint robin you guys your advice helped a ton lol !!!!!

[faint robin]

Damn you're really cool tbh

Cooked them since its close to unwinnable as solo trike

[open path]

Thanks brother it was hard fought, used only spar mode and kept using only the held lmb and got a lot of nice thrashes on them when

Yes I got them very nicely oh man it feels awesome, trike is a beast !!!!

[faint robin]

Block is underused

[open path]

They also had 2 allos with them lol

Now those allos just 3 calling me but scared shittless lol

[faint robin]

Really helps w turning and taking less dmg

[open path]

Yes honestly I didn't use block only spar mode and running and only attack with the held lmb and thrash if possible

[native urchin]

Ehehe nice!!!

[open path]

🙏 ❤️

[elfin night]

Nerf trike /j

[hallow hinge]

does anyone know what is the tasks for the new elder system ?

[blissful surge]

I did the same things as before and got prime

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

just use a regular bite??? lmao

[regal tulip]

A 1 ton rex needs 4. Its a QoL thing, just feels weird for the juvie to kill it faster

Could be as simple as "press G" while crushing something on the ground to pick it up.

[knotty stratus]

fr lol

[tight cove]

@regal tulip when you grab something as rex cant you just press g instantly to drop it?

[regal tulip]

you can but when i did that the boar was still alive, its not a game breaking thing by any means, just annoying

[tight cove]

Damn that’s weird, must have been a bug

[elfin night]

@frail elbow what about Omni pinning more than two targets in a row though

(Notice how I still upvoted, just wanna discuss feedback)

I don’t wanna sound antagonizing or bad faith, but I am just under the impression that people only care when it affects their most picked playables.

Dunno what’s the difference from multiple pin kills in a row in a smaller creature and a bigger one, both adjusted in a way that the 1v1 against pinnable is still undoable for the smaller party

[faint robin]

Omni pins smaller playables which can def avoid it
Allo insta pins things like dibbles or tenos

[slim dragon]

It's actually the same issue with both
Omni and allo both forbid anything smaller than them from ever attempting to fight it
With omni, this means every playable under 450kg was designed in a way that allowed it to never have to fight an omni
But not everything smaller than allo was designed to be running from anything bigger than them

It's more visible with allo now because there's many more playables under the "don't ever attempt to fight" bar

[faint robin]

Erm rex can also pin tbh

[slim dragon]

And funnily enough, it causes the same issue as allo does
Only to a lesser extent because it's slower

[hasty coyote]

Yeah Rex is just lacking the roster that really shows how bad its pin is. We don’t have stuff between Diablo and stego, who are slower than Rex ambush by a good margin and get 1 tapped

@restive token
Firstly, the bite hitbox isn’t that bad, you were just missing by a large margin for a lot of them (as seen in image)

Also every time you got knocked down was when you actually hit. Ptera now knocks itself out of the sky every time they bite something larger than themselves. Unless you hold air brake while you bite, then you will deal damage.

[maiden temple]

I love the flattened ptera

Also I didn't play ptera in ages and these flight animations look so smooth :3

Way more refined than what I remember

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Cera has much more damage than a teno, carno has much more speed, all of their attacks are in the front making it easier to avoid taking and dealing damage.
Did you play teno much? (This helps you learn how to kill one)

Also about dibble vs carno, you're not meant to fight something like a ceratopsian. It dominates in a brawl, is much bigger than you and can cc.
It's not tekken 😄

Also beg to differ, I can wreck a teno just fine on a cera

I assume it's a new player yet to learn to survive the isle

[azure ruin]

Thanks for the help also never got 100% as a herbi [played herbis around 5 times] also I didn't attack the dibble and in noworld would I attack one as a carno, he just jumped out the bush as I was passing by always has be dibbles attacking first.🥲

[elfin night]

And also takes way more stamina and punishes you for missing

[elfin night]

“Just avoid it lol”

I can frankly say the same to ceras and tenos and leave allo untouched

[crimson crater]

the duality of isle players

[golden coral]

It does work, if there's a reasonable ability to avoid the critter in question. Which may or may not be true. You can avoid omni, but it's not neccesarily easy. You can avoid rex as stego too, but it's also not neccesarily as easy as to be reasonable.

Not that it makes pin and similar any more fun, but if the entire point is to not engage the dangerous critter, then it does, or can work at least

[elfin night]

I just both love and hate that I was right

All teno, dibble, cera and carno mains collectively decided to go “rules for thee but not for me” as soon as there was an Omni capable of pinning them without much effort

But you told them that pachy hardly can fight Omnis and gets pinned by elders? Just avoid or get the ambush first bro

(which is something that they will be upset about if you replaced pachy with dibble)

[steep gazelle]

@azure ruin Cerato is currently much stronger than Teno...

[elfin night]

Gargantuan skill issue

Specially with 2 ton prime elder allowing you to commit endless mistakes

[steep gazelle]

The next buff cerato will facetank against a Teno xd

That is, if it isn't already being done now

[elfin night]

@tough stream Those Rexes must suck 🥀

Dunno how they reached prime other than maybe gambling endlessly during the whole HT or carried by other players

Trike is such an easy kill now that I’ve tried a 2v1 with another buddy playing rex

[tough stream]

rlly? every clip iv seen of them trike wins

[elfin night]

Because most isle players are, without any offense, genuinely terrible

Both mechanically and in terms of game sense

They just reduce combat to see who wins the trade and are unaware about so many things besides what they are doing in that precise instant

[dusky surge]

also im genuinly shocked you haven't seen any rexes beating trike given how many rex videos have exactly that and make a point to make it the thumbnail and title lmao

[elfin night]

https://youtu.be/OJZ3tJjDV1w?si=_z5HfLJvyb2gPvw1 literally just searched “the isle evrima rex vs trike” and got stuff like this in the tens

10 second long search on YouTube to double check

[tight cove]

@azure ruin cera vs teno really just comes down to skill tbh

[viscid mica]

Outdated now

[quick socket]

@rich lagoon birds are dinosaurs, not dinosaurs are birds. It's like saying first mammals we evolved from are humans.

[frosty heron]

4 Months? Thats the incomplete dev Rex that was glitched and broken , its invalid for a comparison

Current HT Rex has more chances of lossing against a Trike

[elfin night]

Okay, let me bring yet another video that is recent

[frosty heron]

Ive seen a lot of videos and ima say its a 60% winrate of Trikes vs 40% of Rexes , seen one video where a Rex kills 2 Trikes but both were smaller than the Rex itself (knockdown instead of cc when Rex was using RMB)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQjZrOknGTI

Here a 2v2 with Trikes winning

If a Trike lands a single thrast attack it nukes Rex hp to a disvantage position

Those Rexes could have played it better definently but its harder to land crushes on a 2v2 since you get stopped for 3 seconds when landing one

[maiden temple]

ew bush dibble
It's worth to play the dino you struggle to fight against, it really helps you learn its limits/timing on abilities, good opportunity to see where herbis hang out in smaller amounts as well

[crystal stream]

I really don’t like Rex and trikes combat

[maiden temple]

I love seeing the hesitation and thinking from carnis, this is what games without permadeath are missing out on

[steep otter]

Trike having the edge in a 1v1 is balanced and makes the most sense

[maiden temple]

I agree

[frosty heron]

Yet people are still asking to either buff Trike or nerf Rex.. I dunno man

Maybe its time to actually use private servers to learn some stuff that come in handy on fights before asking for a buff

[dusky surge]

why not using the testing branch?

why move the goalpost

[frosty heron]

Because in the testing branch theres no room for mistakes , if you die you gotta growth, simple as that

[steep otter]

Rex is faster and can just run away from a trike

[maiden temple]

Opinions will always be skewed, especially with rex. People expect to dominate by default

[frosty heron]

Doubt you can get some clear information from 2 deaths , 13+ hours of growth

[steep otter]

Trike being stronger makes sense, Rex can still kill it with skill or a good ambush

[frosty heron]

I love how this is the only argument people jumps in with

[maiden temple]

The ecosystem is mostly carnis, that's my reason

Even though teno exists and is the most fun to play 👀

[frosty heron]

That has a number of reasons behind I cannot really debate here , on private servers theres mostly herbies but on officials is the exact opposite

[dusky surge]

honestly, the one nerf rex deserves more than ANY OTHER nerf

hunger. dear god its hunger. this animal is supposed to be tough?

2 hours of hunger drain. That's longer than the LITERAL GATOR. This is an animal who's ambush is nearly always lethal, who can bully basically anyone off any corpse, and has access to any AI as a diet option

I quite literally left my juvi rex idle in a bush for over an hour, came back, and it wasn't even starving. actual madness

it should have a 75 minute hunger drain (extendable via mutations)

[maiden temple]

lol damn, I didn't realise

[steep otter]

Yeah that makes no sense and is what is making rex megapacks exist

[maiden temple]

What an odd choice

[dusky surge]

it is madness

[frosty heron]

Bro wants a ambush predator to have less hunger so youre constantly fighting to find something you can even ambush on , I dont agree , if you gonna spent time hiding in some bush you gotta have a lot of hunger time , dying while waiting for a prey to pass by isnt fun

[dusky surge]

for an animal claimed to be something that is both deeply difficult and highly territorial due to limited food, it can really get by on nothing

[dusky surge]

it doesn't deserve a longer hunger time than deino, i'm sorry

deino is everything you just said, but actually more

[maiden temple]

It shrinks groups of rexes, it's a good suggestion

[dusky surge]

2 hours is just disgusting

[maiden temple]

Deino really was done dirty there lol

[dusky surge]

you're not going to be waiting 2 hours for your next meal, sorry

[frosty heron]

What has that to do about balance? thats just people playing the game incorrectly lol

[steep otter]

It does not need to have a super short hunger time but a hunger time that is longer them deino is a bit excessive.

[frosty heron]

Asking a hunger nerf is crazy tho , clearly from someone that hasnt play Rex ever

[native urchin]

ye juvie rex is very slow, but adult is fine! considering it travels very slow! and its an ambusher, so it waits for an opportunity

[dusky surge]

if you genuinely think rex hunger is fine, you genuinely are just biased

i should not, as a player, be allowed to LEAVE MY GROWING DINOSAUR ALONE IN A BUSH FOR OVER AN HOUR TO DO CHORES AND IT'S PERFECTLY FINE

[frosty heron]

It actually drains a lot while growing and thats the whole reason I pick enhanced digestion as mutation when reaching 50%

[dusky surge]

I ask for this nerf out of my own experience of playing rex. But sure, make whatever claims you need lmao

[native urchin]

group is max 2? wdym shrink, cant shrink it more

[maiden temple]

You should not be running into groups of apexes roaming about because there is no pressure to kill, this affects your encounters

[maiden temple]

You don't have to be grouped to stick together

[dusky surge]

^

[native urchin]

u got one to fg or no?

[dusky surge]

megapacking has been a thing since the game has existed

[dusky surge]

no, wipes happened. doesn't change the fact I AFKed for over an hour on apparently the "hardest animal in the game"

[native urchin]

playing official servers is your mistakes XD

[steep otter]

I think a 1:25 hunger time is more them enough

[dusky surge]

agreed

[native urchin]

yea, juvie rex is crazy slow! also, u cant fight anything, because u grow so slow! u need to puke to get nutrients

[dusky surge]

75 minutes is ample time to await an ambush

[frosty heron]

When I played Rex back on the release I had to be CONSTANTLY moving to not starve while I was adult , so dont claim yourself experience that you dont seem to have

[dusky surge]

you know, you'd be able to get more nutrients if your food drained faster

[frosty heron]

In fact using the god damn AI Dibble twice to survive

[native urchin]

yes, i wouldnt mind having less hunger drain as baby! i always do the puke strategy on all dino... but the hunger drain when small its a matter of how fast u grow.... since rex basically has ticks of 800grams food doesnt drain!

[dusky surge]

you wanna know why that is? because it's not because rex's hunger is particularly punishing

it's because having dozens of rexes in one server is going to make it harder for you to eat

AND YET THE GAME CAN SUPPORT DOZENS OF REXES IN A SINGLE SERVER

(thank you slow-ass hunger drain and AI dibble)

you don't need to play rex to notice how many there are

it's... abundantly obvious

they don't make an effort to make it a secret

[frosty heron]

If you think thats a balance problem then youre not thinking smartly

[steep otter]

The main issue is more on the adult rex having 2 hours of hunger drain

[dusky surge]

????

what other problem is it

[maiden temple]

It does affect balance through what encounters you're forced into

[dusky surge]

well, rex always has 2 hour of hunger drain, adult or otherwise

[native urchin]

i mean, hordetest is at the worst that it has ever been.... rex growth being hard (rightfully so), favors mixpacking to help people grow, and this creates mixpacking when they adult.... ai dibble is most of the time controlled by clans megapacks or mixpack! so if u actually play solo, rex is not an easy growth at all..

i have grown 7 prime allos, and i have yet to find a suitable fight. megapacks and mixpacks everywhere, its an absolute terrible state right now

[frosty heron]

Thats just people playing the most popular dinosaur , obviously in terms of numbers it gonna explode

[dusky surge]

and they can easily do so

so it's a balance issue

[native urchin]

it travels slow, by the time u go to delta to wr you are half food

[dusky surge]

clockwise, the way we're going full circle

[maiden temple]

Which we don't have to support by making it easier xD

I'd like to believe it was made this way so people would test rex and it won't stay

[dusky surge]

the fact that people don't want their hyper cool apex predator to actually be a cool and proving challenge is really telling

[native urchin]

get people to stop mixpacking or megapacking. thats what is making it easy, not the dibble ai.

[dusky surge]

i want all the power with none of the promised trials and tribulations

[maiden temple]

I focus on things that are doable

[dusky surge]

dibble AI is forming the megapacks and mixpacks

[steep otter]

But a longer hunger drain them deino? Thats a bit much tbh i would not mind it would be reduced a bit it would also helps a lot in reduce The MEGA rex overpacks

[dusky surge]

isn't it weird how all the megapacks and mixpacks are centred around dibble AI spawns

lmao, 2 and 2 together

[native urchin]

yea deino should have it longer too imo!

[frosty heron]

Rex isnt a challenge when you mixpack and megapack , when you play solo it is a challenge

[dusky surge]

ehhhh

you eat turtles half your life, then dibbles the other

[steep otter]

Like 6 adult rexes should not be able to find enought food to sustain themselves

[mint star]

how am i supposed to pvp deathmatch kill if i cant have an easy growth

[dusky surge]

its just kinda

boring

[native urchin]

rex is going to be a challenge indeed, when u play on a 250/350 server, with pop control, and u have one shot to grow it....and most of those servers dont even have ai

[dusky surge]

the hardest challenge i had was finding a reason to do anything but just eat turtles and wait

[maiden temple]

That's not even worth mentioning, we play official here ;_:

[dusky surge]

350 pop servers are gonna be even easier, because you're talking about petits, the server that drops full adult deino corpses on hungry players

also... unofficials don't matter to official balance at all???

[maiden temple]

Privates can go around all these problems because they can make up rules and whatever not

[frosty heron]

If im gonna be playing such challenging playable that yall want for 9 hours then I should be able to destroy everything on my path when FG , more challenge = more power , thats a proper balance and nobody wants that

[native urchin]

no, i dont like petits..... its dress up dino simulator..... very herbi bias, to the point they made even carnivores herbivores waiting for bodiesù

[dusky surge]

it already does that???

like it destroys EVERYTHING in its path while FG, save like... trike?

[maiden temple]

which takes just as long to grow

[steep otter]

Rex pretty much already does that, besides apexes herbs like trike

[frosty heron]

So you can Solo 2 Stegos , 3 Trikes an so on? Doubt it

Im talking about playing it solo

[steep otter]

Trike is another apex

[dusky surge]

ah yes, hyper-specific matchups where a rex is clearly outmatched CLEARLY proves how weak it is

[native urchin]

i mean, rex shouldnt fight multiple trikes, and even 2 stegos should be hard xD

[dusky surge]

the spinosaurus cannot hope to defeat my 12 shants, worthless beast that it is

[steep otter]

Stego is also a apex

[frosty heron]

Stego is 5 hour growth ffs

[steep otter]

But for exemple, rex absolute claps a diablo herd

[mint star]

yet more proof hypsi and herrera are the best because they can simply avoid them

[frosty heron]

And not a challenge , your food is waiting for you at sactuaries

[dusky surge]

so true

[steep otter]

Adult stego rex can pin and ista kill

[native urchin]

and pt

[frosty heron]

Not an elder

[steep otter]

Only elder stego is harder, and that is only when rex itself it not a elder

[mint star]

iffy on peterdactyl because now it spends a lot of its life on the shoreline

[frosty heron]

One of the easiest elders to get tho , got it twice during Rex HT while I was watching youtube

[native urchin]

true! a spino killing a pt is funny though, the poor thing doesnt even move the % of the hunger

[dusky surge]

and i'm not saying just rex needs a hunger drain though

trike and stego's hunger drains are also WAY too slow imho

these two should be obliterating MZs

deino can stay having slow hunger

it's a gator

[maiden temple]

Agree! I want competition for food among herbis too

[native urchin]

i believe stego and rex are in a good spot matchwise... stego has advantage anytime it can stun, and rex has it when it stego cant stun it!

[frosty heron]

Trike and Stego should have low food drain because the food values are kinda incorrect or bad designed

[dusky surge]

oh, and something needs to be done with grazing and how easy it is to circumvent, y'know, food

[maiden temple]

• making the damn zones move faster, it's boring

[dusky surge]

agreeed

[frosty heron]

Why eating a whole coconut gives 3% food? Doest make sense

[dusky surge]

goddamn i hate staying in one spot all my life

[dusky surge]

because you weigh 9.35 tons??? lmao

[steep otter]

Also larger plants are needed

[dusky surge]

it's a coconut vs a goliath

[maiden temple]

Fr it makes me miss spiro and radish trips -.-

[frosty heron]

Theres fruits that are bigger than a Cerato head , and youre telling me thats 3% food? Lmao

[maiden temple]

At least I got to leave my teno rock lol

[frosty heron]

Ive ate whole PZ as Stego and not reaching full stomach

[dusky surge]

an average coconut weighs around 3kg

a FRACTION of these dino's weights

[mint star]

i think it would benefit triceratops to simply eat the coconut tree

[dusky surge]

i dont like spiro much either

staying in one place and walking in a big triangle are equally boring to me

[maiden temple]

PZ are meant to be a top up I believe, on your way to MZ

[slim dragon]

"boohoo rex cannot oneshot elder stego" ???

[dusky surge]

^

[frosty heron]

Get your ragebaiting outta here boy

[maiden temple]

I liked it more, we had clear routes and carnis waiting along these routes because they knew we'd have to pass by eventually. It was more realistic in a way

[dusky surge]

something something rex if it starved faster would be stupid worthless and to compensate it should obliterate even more than it already does

[slim dragon]

I put my ragebait wherever I want

[maiden temple]

[frosty heron]

Seriosly you only pass by to trashtalk , tells about the kind you are

[slim dragon]

I didn't expect you to be triggered so fast tbh, apologies

[dusky surge]

the kind he is:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3OaNMgtxwm8?feature=share

damn you discord

[maiden temple]

Betrayed

[frosty heron]

Triggered? Im here laughting before I leave for work

[dusky surge]

and by extension WMG

laughing at what lol

[mint star]

sticks and stones may break my bones but the megalania does not forgive

[dusky surge]

the idea of a rex being an actual cool achievement

[frosty heron]

Im laughting at the efforts of ragebaiting on a actual debate channel

[dusky surge]

sticks and stones may break my bones but the pachycephlosaurus probably has a higher blunt damage value and thus does it better

[frosty heron]

He clearly doesnt like my suggestions lmao

[maiden temple]

If it lives long enough

[dusky surge]

you didnt even make a suggestion you just shut down mine

[frosty heron]

What? I did not

[dusky surge]

unless your suggestion was "make rex more unacceptably powerful when it's fg"

which i mean

[frosty heron]

Send me when I actually said that

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[frosty heron]

Thats a straight answer to your suggestion to make it a challenge playable to get

[maiden temple]

A faster hunger drain has to be tested. It's just not fun to see big groups of rexes for both solo rexes AND any prey

[native urchin]

balancing out a dino based on clans gatekeeping dibbles is not the way

[maiden temple]

I thought they were just doing well or having their friends grow them food, didn't expect 2h food drain lmao

[frosty heron]

The whole reason we actually had so many Rexes surviving on HT was the dibble fields

Imo that was a mistake

[dusky surge]

no, but acknowledging that the dibble clans are probably due to other problems (like dibble AI and an insanely forgiving food drain), is the way

[maiden temple]

It's worth testing even with the AI dibs imo

[dusky surge]

man i just want AI dibs gone

i'd actually chill on the hunger drain thing for a bit if they just nuked the damn things

[maiden temple]

We are meant to have AI dinos after all in the game. Hopefully not like this tho. Spawns should be completely random

[native urchin]

i mean, im not totally against it tbh, when there was no ai server i was only playing that one... 100 people server is small though

[dusky surge]

and i despise that

i genuinely never want them

[maiden temple]

Seeing AI tenos nuke small deinos was peak though :c

[native urchin]

im just saying, its not just dibble making it easy for rexes, but its mixpacking friends feeding them

[slim dragon]

I don't mind AI dinos, but they should be strictly limited to non-playable species, ones that are designed form the get-go to function as AI

[maiden temple]

Nuu, I hid among AI tenos and it was my family

[slim dragon]

Like actual herd animals, scenery brachis, more small things, and so on

[maiden temple]

Okay you got me with the scenery brachis

That would be beautiful

[dusky surge]

not being able to socialise as teno because you couldn't even find a real group of your own kind was not peak

watching carno megapacks dominate the island feeding purely off teno AI that got stuck on the smallest bit of geometry was not peak

having teno AI actively give away your location as a baby teno so you'd die faster to predators was not peak

making me have absolutely no desire to touch teno with a 10 foot pole because i didn't want to deal with all of the above factors was not peak

[slim dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassicjungle-gif-26246389

[dusky surge]

i genuinely want playable brachi INFINITELY more than scenery AI brachi

I think AI brachi would be such a waste

[slim dragon]

I understand the appeal
But I do think cama is large enough as a playable

[dusky surge]

we're getting hypers, I wanna see a clash of the titans

[slim dragon]

Or maybe have one giant sauropod that is playable, and another one that is AI

[native urchin]

thats gonna be the day i finally quit this game

[dusky surge]

cool

glad you set yourself a best-before date

[native urchin]

😂

im 30 already, i might get a heart attack before hypers make it to game

[maiden temple]

Baiting carnis that thought my group was AI was funny, it definitely was annoying to have them 1 call and follow though. We should be able to make them follow or leave you alone with 2 and 3 call.

I really did like the AI, just wish it wasn't broken. It was nice when it worked

[slim dragon]

Middle ages life expectancy ahh

[native urchin]

😭

[maiden temple]

Who wants to live past 60 really, that's when it will release probably

I'll haunt this game

You'll see a ghost teno pop up to kick you, that's me

[native urchin]

what if teno gets downsized?

i gotta find another mid sized herbi that can have some fun fights (yea, not maia)

[slim dragon]

Im currently in the middle of a "live 200 years" challenge
So far I haven't died once so I'd say I'm doing pretty good

[native urchin]

2 ton kentro

[maiden temple]

I will cry and hope we'll get iggy instead

[native urchin]

what are mid sized herbis planned for the isle even?

[maiden temple]

I hope you achieve your goal!

[maiden temple]

I did a deep dive on this a while ago, let me dig it up

[native urchin]

considering tehy are putting the weight of the model, teno model is actually around 1.3 tons adult, and 1.6 on prime

[native urchin]

that is not a ceratopsian possibly

[maiden temple]

From what I can see from the confirmed list for herbis there's anky, ava, brachio, bronto, magya, minmi, oro, camara, cory, diplo, kentro, pachyrhino, para, proto, shant, styra and theri.
Some of these will be AI only I assume, this was a dig from over a year ago so can't say it's still an updated list unfortunately.

So uh.. kentro and styra for the medium ones? XD

[steep otter]

Same, or at least allow unnotifials to have a option to toggle it on/off on the species list

[maiden temple]

Also not seeing iggy made me sad, I must have imagined it

[native urchin]

i think they also canceled styra, when they made dibble 3 tons....

ye i guess kentro if its a strong 2 ton might be it.... but idk if it will be that heavy XD kentro would be small

[maiden temple]

I can see myself picking up kentro tbh, it could be really fun

[native urchin]

OH, we can hope in para not being a foddler nad hvae fun pvp

always loved how para looks

[maiden temple]

I really really hope para sounds amazing, I love how it looks too

I hope anky can sink to smack deinos in rivers as well lol

[native urchin]

i can see anky being too heavy and drown XD

[native urchin]

if kentro turns out to be the new teno i might as well

[steep otter]

Watch them made styraco 4.5tons

[native urchin]

but i hope for a teno rework and make it 2 ton + 2.5/2.8 ton prime

[dusky surge]

it is a bottom walker as confirmed by concept art

[maiden temple]

😄

[native urchin]

oh, interesting!

[native urchin]

💀

[steep otter]

Pachyrhino i think will be around 6-7

[maiden temple]

I love these concept drawings, they're beautiful

[native urchin]

why so many ceratopsian 😭

oop, didnt mean to answer to that

[maiden temple]

Babu anky will be so cute I might just melt everytime I see one

[steep otter]

Tbh Pachyrhino is more unique, since it likely will be fracture focused

[maiden temple]

[native urchin]

basically a dibble that bone breaks 🥲

[steep otter]

More like a small trike

[native urchin]

even pot was able to make em cute

[native urchin]

[maiden temple]

It should feel much bulkier than the spiky boys

[maiden temple]

Yes little pinecones

[native urchin]

will be the scariest ambusher of the all island

[native urchin]

and the farting sound!

it was satysfing to kill ankys ngl

[maiden temple]

It was, just because of how op they were

[native urchin]

ye true

[dusky surge]

ankys were ever OP?

i remember them being utter ass in legacy

[maiden temple]

Another dino game, went offtopic sorry

[elfin night]

In some hacked legacy servers it is at its peak, since it is one of the only two animals with bone break

That speaks volume of anky’s history in the game lmao

Meanwhile theri always being insanely broken

(It’s about to eat the greatest glow down in all of the isle’s history)

[steep otter]

Acro was also busted agaist smaller dinos has well

That thing was faster them a allo

[elfin night]

True but wasn’t always that way tbf

Theri however has always been a very popular aggro herbi

Really wish they make it an omnivore here

[steep otter]

That would be cool

Deinocheirus is also pretty much that, omnivore + semi aquatic massive claws terror duck