balance-feedback-discussion

[obtuse ocean]

You just said its kit dont enable skill like play, so im wondring what skill did you expect a rex to use?

[dusky surge]

mechanical depth, using a variety of attacks rather than just one all-in-one win tool

[regal valve]

brain cells

[obtuse ocean]

Im guessing thats agains the bigger guys you mean? Like stego etc?

[obtuse ocean]

Who uses that?

[dusky surge]

against literally anyone

[obtuse ocean]

Rex shouldt be doing much against a cera etc. if his dumb enough to let the rex close enough.

[dusky surge]

what

[obtuse ocean]

What you expected to happend if rex ambushed you as cera? Or if you choose to fight a rex as cera and you facetank the rex

[dusky surge]

im confused what cera has to do with anything

or why you'd assume i want to be able to facetank a rex as a cera

[obtuse ocean]

You said rex needed to to use skill against everything

And im wondring what skill you reffering to as rex vs a cera as an example

[dusky surge]

i literally never said that

i said there's no skill really involved in a rex encounter

the opponent is either instantly pinned or fractured, meaning they can't fight back effectively and lose access to most of their forms of skill expression (movement/combat) and the rex quite literally only needs to use one attack on repeat

[obtuse ocean]

Here you said it, vs litterly everything

[dusky surge]

not everything, anyone

i dont care if you instantly murder a dryo

my issue is that every single rex fight is the same

crush spam

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, same as alot of others aswell. Its not like alot of playables have a huge amount of attacks to choose from.

[dusky surge]

rex quite literally does

bite, alt-bite, crush, headswing, alt-headswing, power headswing

and it has other abilities like murdersprint, sparring, fractures

and yet despite all this mechanical depth, its gameplay boils down to crush spam because crush allows you to do a ton of damage, do fractures, pin targets, avoid engaging with sparring, so on

[obtuse ocean]

Yepp but then you better buff them or they will be usefull later when more stuff is added. Cus rex should insta kill a cera if you facetank it

[dusky surge]

sure? ive never once disagreed with that notion

[random stump]

#balance-feedback message if you let a dilo hit you that many times kind of a skill issue at a certain point. Every animal in the game is either well capable of dodging dilo, running it down (carno), or large enough to knock it over & promptly send it back to the spawn screen

not to mention the dilo has to continously refresh its hallucinations

[steep gazelle]

The venom can last up to 10 minutes in the victim

A dilo can leave a Diablo on the brink of death overnight just by landing 1-3 bites and staying away from spamming clones

Solo Dilo

[random stump]

diablo lets a dilo hit it that many times and get away?

[steep gazelle]

It's not a question of whether or not a Diablo will let itself be bitten, but rather that the Dilo can cause over 2000 damage without even needing to be near the victim

[random stump]

it needed to be near the victim in the first place to hit it and apply the venom, the victim let that happen

[steep gazelle]

My God

[random stump]

and theres a huge difference between dilos venom which will do that damage over a long, long time, and requires the dilo to get multiple hits (usually) and at great risk to itself vs pin where its i pressed m2 and you have the same weight as me so you just die instantly

[hasty coyote]

Dilo literally has the exact same issue. It’s just that they press m1 on anything similarly sized and then just stay away and the target just dies to clone spam. Only difference is that it takes 2 minutes to die rather than 30 seconds.

[steep gazelle]

Both are equal in one respect: don't need a brain to use

[random stump]

anything similarly sized to dilo is either faster then it or far, far more nimble then it and shouldnt have gotten hit in the first place

[steep gazelle]

The interaction between Dilo and the victim is literally only at the beginning of the fight

[hasty coyote]

So if you get hit 1 single time by something slightly larger and a good bit faster, you should just die? Ain’t that literally the EXACT same issue as pins?

[random stump]

dilo can only do that "1 hit kill" thing to dinos drastically smaller then it, or at night to dinos near its own size. Its not an all day, all the time, "im going to 1 shot you" to anything close to its own weight.

furthermore, you can fight back after its attact connects, whereas with pounce & crush, you cannot.

unless they changed something and dilo biting a carno or cerato once is instantly putting it to the third stage of venom in the middle of the day, i really dont see an issue

[steep gazelle]

Damn

[hasty coyote]

It being night or day is completely out of the control of the target, so while there are “requirements” it’s not hard to reach them for the dilo. So while it def ain’t as bad as pins, it’s still the exact same result. You get hit once by something your size but faster, and you die with practically 0 counterplay.

Because again, only Galis and carnos can catch a dilo. All they have to do is make you purple and keep their distance. Now there’s literally 0 way to interact with them.

[random stump]

dont fight a dilo at night, if you think ones around and you arent confident in fighting it, dont be out in the open where said dilo is going to be looking for prey at night. its a night terror. it kills you at night. the same way dilo hides in the woods all day from everything else in the game because its weaker during the day time.

what is slower then dilo that its fully envenomating in 1 hit at night, lets think.

Omni - Far more agile, dont get hit.
Pachy - reasonable complaint, pachy is kinda dooky
Herra - why arent you in a tree
assorted tiny herbivores that noone plays
babies

oh and troodon

oh ptera too i almost forgot

[hasty coyote]

You don’t get a choice on fighting a dilo at night. They are faster and can see much better. They get to choose if the fight happens. The only way to avoid dilos at night is to not play the game at night.

And dilo ain’t bad during the day either, it’s only bad matchup is against carno, and that’s because carno’s design kinda hard counters it.

[random stump]

"oh hey, the sun is setting. Im kind of nervous about dilos. I should move into a forested or otherwise obscuring environment in order to keep myself safe, as they're likely to get stuck on trees trying to attack me if they even find me."

[hasty coyote]

So Omni, the slower dino, has to play perfectly and never get hit once, while the dilo can tank 2-3 pounces? That’s not balanced.
Pachy is pachy, as always. Even in the day, you can literally face tank a pachy to death unless it gets a head fracture.

[random stump]

during the day, dilo doesnt 1 tap fully envenom omnis and pachies, if im not mistaken

[hasty coyote]

So, hide in a corner and don’t play the game because of an op dino?

[hasty coyote]

Iirc it takes like 2-3. Which is still VERY easy to do.

[random stump]

So, drink in a corner and never touch the water because of an op dino?

So, remain out of open planes with no cover because of an op dino?

So, eat as fast as possible and move on quickly because of an op dino?

So, never stand near trees or tall rocks because of an op dino?

omni is a creature that YOU choose to play knowing full well its a "dodge everything or die" animal, do not complain when you need to dodge or die

"my small tier dies when it gets hit a few times" yeah. duh.

I get it, you play pachy, you like pachy, dilo dogs on pachy. the issue here is pachy being complete garbage, not dilo being an untouchable god, because it isnt one.

[hasty coyote]

Assuming first one is deino? Yeah, but that’s more because deino is poorly designed and physically CANT have counterplay or it’s useless.

Assuming this is carno, you have plenty of other options to deal with it. So long as you aren’t in an area with literally 0 cover, you can use the few bushes to break los. Or use one of the gimmicks that most Dinos smaller than carno have.

Idk what that one is, cera? If so, it ain’t that big of a deal since you generally want to eat and leave asap in case something bigger is coming. And it ain’t a death sentence if a cera shows up unless you’re already weak.

I’m assuming Herrera. You can just look up and not stand by common Herrera spots.

None of these come close to dilo, who just kills you on sight at night unless you hide in a corner for 1/3rd of the game or just log out. Or the dilo just kills you during the day because it’s still very strong.

[random stump]

you can just not be in sight at night, the same way you are not being in sight in a field.

and again, you are 10x more agile then a dilo as an omni and have far more stamina.

as for the rest of the st uff slower then it around its size that its gonna kill in the day time, those creatures all need help in one way or another, or are herrera and shouldnt be outside of a tree ever

[hasty coyote]

Yeah smalls get killed when they get hit by something larger, that’s how all things work. The difference is, dilo ain’t larger, it’s also small. Not to mention, larger and stronger dinos are (with the exception of carno because that’s its gimmick and it’s balanced around that) slower than weaker dinos. Unlike dilo who is faster, stronger, and becomes downright op at night.

[random stump]

dilo functions in the exact same gimmick as carno does turnradius wise, where its very fast and you ought to dodge it. Dodge. It. or avoid it. your choice. or, get this, dont play something in its range of prey

[hasty coyote]

I ain’t even arguing purely from the perspective of pachy. Pachy is just the easiest to point at since it’s the most obvious. Genuinely clone spam is op. I would much rather dilo actually be forced to interact or the clones have counterplay, rather than “if you got bit 2-5 times by something half your size? Guess you slowly die over the next 3 minutes”

[hasty coyote]

I never said that you have to hide at all times in a field from a carno. But you do have to from a dilo. Especially since you can see a carno just as easily as it can see you, meanwhile dilo can see you 10x easier than you can see it.

[hasty coyote]

Also no, both of them have roughly the same run time. Except Omni has to burn stam to attack, while dilo can spam attacks with 0 stam cost.

[hasty coyote]

Omni v dilo during the day is roughly even, or the dilo can just decide to… not fight since it has more speed.

[obtuse ocean]

So can omni,by jump or agility

I think its a much cooler with clones then just venom/dmg over time. Or bleed over time etc

And if you let a dilo constantly bite you, you deserve it. If im vs a teno as dilo i normally get one attack in. If i try two, im already knocked down

[hasty coyote]

Yes, but dilo has better turning than carno and only needs 1 good hit at night, or 2-3 during the day. Carno needs 3-4 good hits even during the day. Especially now that the headbutt is being made into a manual attack, dilo is gonna have an even easier time even landing those hits.

[hasty coyote]

I ain’t denying that the clones are cool and I want them to stay. I just think dilo is rewarded WAY too heavily for landing a couple of bites.

[obtuse ocean]

Well yea that is a good argument, but its so bad after you get the firdt hit in. Cus its simply impossible to attack again vs someone who knows how to play and use terrain

[hasty coyote]

1v1 a teno should be hard, just like Omni trying to 1v1 a teno should be hard. But dilo has a MUCH easier time in that matchup than Omni has. Because dilo only needs a couple of hits. Omni needs to burn through over an entire stam bar of pouncing to kill the teno, or land a LOT more bites. And if we start counting packs… dilo becomes just as if not more oppressive. Like I had a Diablo at night get bit by a dilo while I was killing another. And over the course of the entire night, I got brought down to red. From maybe 1-2 dilos clones. From like 1 opening.

[obtuse ocean]

If dilo had lets say high bleed instead. I dont think i would stand a chance va a teno if i had to bite it 6 times to bleed it out.

Even if i got the first hit free

[obtuse ocean]

Thats true, i wouks rather be dilo vs a teno then omni. But they have some pros vs other stuff

[hasty coyote]

Terrain messes up all dinos Tbf, but it does completely mess up the clones constantly. Which I think should be fixed. But I doubt that would happen.

Honestly if they just move its power budget from clone spam to dilo itself, it would make dilo a lot more bearable both for its players and its opponents.

[obtuse ocean]

Well yea,but that was the idea they could pick a target from a herd or pack and kill it. Meaning without the herd to protect it,thats why they prob have the speed cus you still need to run around dodging those others trying to kill you

But yea its a good arguemnt with how fast the venom works etc

[hasty coyote]

At least currently its speed is fine, since it’s slightly faster than Omni, but less agile. so both have a chance to escape or fight (assuming either isn’t over tuned like dilo is now).

[faint robin]

Who cares about rex vs cera, we are talking about rex vs similar size opponents
It dogs on trike and stego with out any skill as well.
Same goes to small rex vs low tiers/sub rex vs midtiers

I wonder why even play anything else if rex is better than most playables at different stages

[hasty coyote]

What do you mean? 1 ton Rex running at 60kph, dealing like 500 damage a crush, breaking legs, and pinning is very fair and balanced

[faint robin]

You can run faster than galli and crush/pin
Then you can just go face to face with a trike and mess it up

[obtuse ocean]

Yea but depends on what they do with clones, if they work even id you jump on rocks etc

[faint robin]

Rex should just eat a huge, massive, fat nerf mostly to its crush then have it younger stages reconsidered. I get young trike is strong cuz it moves like a lame tortoise. Rex runs at galli speed.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea im reffering to fg vs fg. Devs have said it since day one, fighting will never be fair. And it shouldt meaning you will win every fight by numbers without any skill. Stego can easy get away from a rex

[faint robin]

Stego yes, still has a high chance to be ran down by ambush. Trike can't escape rex and if it makes even the smallest mistake - its dead. Thats not how slow defensive playable vs ambush hunter should work. Devs stated they won't make trike overshadowed by rex yet they basically did it like in legacy lol

[obtuse ocean]

Rex trying to run a stego down and having zero stam when it reaches it, well now stego is hunting

[obtuse ocean]

Yea ambush, but thats where survival comes in. Ofcourse rex should win if you didnt see it coming. Thats fair

[faint robin]

Rex can walk up to trike and just destroy it not caring trike sees it

[hasty coyote]

They could make clones that can’t find a path just deal like half damage after being near the target for like 5 seconds or something, reduce the duration of venom during night, and make clones counterable by hitting them first, it would help a lot. Now the target doesn’t want to just hide in a corner or they are guaranteed to take damage, but if they are in the open, they can counter the clones but leave themself open to the dilo.

[faint robin]

Im not against rex having an advantage if it ambushed you. The problem here is rex also having advantage if trike faces it

[obtuse ocean]

Wait, if stego walks up to me if im trike. Thats a dead stego

[faint robin]

Damn

I meant rex. My bad

[obtuse ocean]

Well that one i agree om, rex going head on vs a trike. Thats a dead rex. I have not faught any rex as trike yet

[hasty coyote]

Except the fact that stego will run out of stam before it kills the Rex, and if the Rex has any stam left, it can just pin, break legs, then back off and recover stam to pin again.

[hasty coyote]

If the Rex knows how to crush, it just needs 1 mistake to get behind, break your legs, and then the fight is over.

[obtuse ocean]

Ive only played stego once with rexes, but i never had problem with running away from them. Now i normally play in the open as stego so i see them from a good distance

The devs have said you will have a bad time vs rexes as stego

[hasty coyote]

The issue is that there like a 50 meter instant death range. And if they were smart, they would just sprint after you, and slowly trot you down by following tracks.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea but this is where im going with what kissen said,stegos should be sticking togheter. Im solo player meaning tons of stuff i dont play solo cus they are just crap at it.

Sometimes the best thing is to run

[hasty coyote]

And I’d be fine if it was a bad time, but this is practically instant death unless the rex is smaller, and an incredibly hard fight even if the Rex is lower weight.

[hasty coyote]

I don’t trust kissen’s balance takes for multiple reasons, but “herd up or die” is a horrible way to balance a Dino, let alone one that takes hours to grow.

The problem is that running is barely an option and relies on the Rex not being persistent, and fighting is just not an option. One of those needs to be more consistent, and I don’t see them nerfing Rex’s mobility and buffing stego’s will cause issues.

[obtuse ocean]

If you cant counter it with sticking togheter or survival its a problem yes. But with how easy herbi life is,food vice. I saw 4 stego and 1 trike and a pachy today just chilling. Like how many rexes would you need to take that lol

[obtuse ocean]

Well it even says when you log in to the game. Grouping up will greatly increase survival. I hate that line but its true

[hasty coyote]

Meanwhile Rexes getting a free ride from Diablo ai:

[hasty coyote]

Oh no doubt it helps, especially against other group. Doesn’t mean it should be your only option to survive.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea dibble ai,hate it. But heard they will be fighting back next update even vs rexes

[hasty coyote]

… “fighting back” only goes so far when they get pinned.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea but if you have 3-4 up your but while pinning. Hell im gonna just sit and wait for someone attack the ai dibbles and kill them while they are injured lol

[obtuse ocean]

100% on that, but me as solo player. Its two diffrent worlds if you wanne live long. I dont have much luxery of walking around like i do in herds etc. And its fair. I just wish beeing in herds actually came at a cost , food vice

I just want that survival feeling,not just walk around and food everywhere. Even herbis would fight over food etc

[hasty coyote]

It’s an issue with how herbie food and grazing works. It would require a rework to both, but I doubt it’s gonna happen any time soon. Hopefully they eventually make apex herbies just as hard to sustain as apex carnis.

Solo dinos should have more difficulties than groups. Namely that they have to be constantly vigilant and struggle against other groups. That’s fine. My issue is when 1 solo Dino is just fodder to another solo Dino (like what Rex is doing to stegos). I have a lot of reasons for this but probably the strongest one is that it just limits everyone’s fun. Less people will play the fodder dino, which means less group, which means even less players. Those that do play will be solos hiding in a corner because they die otherwise. So essentially you just remove the fodder dino from the game, their players have no fun and the hunters can’t hunt what doesn’t exist. So just making them survivable would keep their player base and allow for more interaction and more fun.

[obtuse ocean]

Well yea its very good arguemets in what you say. And you might be correct here. Im just slightly against the fodder thing , i think you need it. Meaning you can play in groups and it comes with better protection, but still survival comes first meaning if you have the tools to avoid lets say a allo. I do and hope one allo will still engage in a fight if it can amabush/attack 3 omnis. Meaning because your more does not mean your safe. I hope rex goes after every giga in the future given the chance, so giga can be diffrent from a rex. It will be better at rex in some areas and worse in some etc

Its also more fun fighting in groups where your actually afraid of dying and loosing even if your doing a 1v3 , so its not just free food.

[hasty coyote]

Yeah I ain’t saying “stego should be invincible” I’m just saying it should have a method to deal with Rex, rather than just getting insta leg broke. If Rex lands an ambush though and gets on stego’s head, then yeah it should probably die there.

[obtuse ocean]

That fracture thing does that mean if rex feactures a stego it cant use its abilities? Or just speed

[hasty coyote]

It can still power swing with leg fracture, but you now move slower than a snail, so Rex can wait as long as it wants to come back and pin you.

I’m not sure if it’s alt swing is gone though, but I know leg fracture generally disables alt attacks.

[haughty grotto]

@hoary basin I disagree with you. Mostly cause you base your entire assumptions on an environment that isn't representative of the actual game.
Rexes are being spammed in the hordetest with occasional interactions with lone members of other species.
On evrima, the vast majority of the small and mid tiers hang around in groups. I think rex's biggest strength is getting solo pick offs and biggest weakness is fighting groups, cause it literally doesn't have the agility nor stamina to do so.

I cannot see a juvie or subadult rex thriving in a server full of raptor/dilo packs of 4-5 or carno/cera packs of 3-4, and especially not herbi herds/mixpacks the way we see so commonly. If you spam crush against anything that isn't a solo target, you will die. So I don't think the other parts of rex's toolkit are useless at all.

If after the evrima port rex is still wrecking everything then sure we can always balance it then. But for now I think you're very prematurely arguing for a nerf that isn't warranted.

..
Also as an aside, I think the upcoming arrival of allo will absolutely wreck juvie/subadult rexes too

[hoary basin]

thing is even on regular evrima everyone is just going to migrate to playing rex because it generally is just every other carnivore but better ( at the same weight ), so your not really going to be seeing those massive packs of small carnis because the people who do that will be on the next best thing, which is rex

i know its supposed to be an ambush predator but there's nothing "ambush" about it if i can just run down solo carnos and ceratos as a 45% rex, thats basically just saying to the solo carnos/ceratos "dont play solo" which is a horrible way to balance

solo rex will dunk on solos, rex really shines in 1v1 interactions, but ive had group fights as rex already and i havent had any trouble because by the time i get low ive already pinned and killed most of the pack thats attacking me

when i was growing on those no ai servers there WAS packs of dilos and utahs, but they cant do anything because 1. im too strong and its not worth it ( even though im like 40-50% ) and 2. if they do fight me they will lose most of their members and 3. im too fast and will break line of sight too easily

when i was growing it was basically "if i can get to 35% im good for the rest of my growth and i wont die" because the only thing that counters me is other rexes and no one wants to play anything that gets clapped by rexes.. because everyone is on rex, i dont think it releasing to regular evrima will change that, people always stick to meta

[haughty grotto]

Let's see
I think it won't be as straightforward esp after allo comes in
But if rex is wrecking overpowered on evrima I'll be giving the same feedback alongside you

[hoary basin]

i do hope that allo will get it in check

because i want apexes to genuinely be difficult to grow its annoying seeing adult rexes everywhere

especially on the ai servers the ai dibbles and gallies are just handfeeding them

hopefully that will be changed when it actually gets released tho

[steep gazelle]

Then it was time to go from having only Rex on the map to having only Rex and Allo

Changes 🔥🔥

[hoary basin]

fr 😭

[hasty coyote]

unless rex is still op enough to run down allows at a certain size (which it probably can)

[steep gazelle]

If the Rex continues as it is, an adult Rex will reach and kill an adult Allo without problems due to the ambush and the crush's huge hitbox...

I miss when the game was balanced

[obtuse ocean]

And whats the problem here? Ofc rex should catch an allo in ambush, thats what it for? Allo will have no problem avoiding a rex if it sees it

[dusky surge]

allo is better designed than stego for that reason lmao

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, im just glad its grown ups in the balance team. I agree with dondi in his streams, people are so bad at surving. I actually think these people are the ones running around as 4 stegos or 6 dibbles the past year. Now suddently they need to use a survival brain cell

[dusky surge]

tf are you even on about

what does 4 stegos or 6 dibbles have to do with literally anything

there's a difference between "knowing how to survive" and "knowing you can't"

the people with braincells aren't playing stego because they realise that it's rex fodder

they'll play rex because it has all the KOS fun of the stego with far less of the problems

[obtuse ocean]

If they do get some survival skill

[dusky surge]

then they'll swap to an animal better at surviving

they won't pick the animal that's worse at the simple job of not dying

[obtuse ocean]

Never had problem with rexes as stego

[dusky surge]

you seem to be of the misinformed opinion that people will stick with an animal while better alternatives are right there

as their skill improves and they understand the matchup, they'll just... stop playing it and play a better creature

[obtuse ocean]

I died to a rex, cus i was dumb and went into a dense area tho. But that was my fault

That depends on what you want out of the game, not the playable. If you wanne group up and have a good time stego is great in the open areas

Rex is not

[dusky surge]

trike is better for that tbh

you can create defensive shield walls and combo with each other thanks to thrash attacks and sparring

[obtuse ocean]

Yea sure, and with how easy it is to maintain herbis food vice aswell

I like trike, even tho thats where a rex should def loose head on

[dusky surge]

even tho rex doesn't atm

i've quite literally seen rexes sprint into trikes facefirst because crush is that good

crush, rotate around, crush, rotate around, crush, rotate around, crush, dead

you don't even get locked into a sparring stance, you just kinda win

[obtuse ocean]

Yea that annoying only big issue i have with rex, trike should even do a 2v1 rexes if it uses terrain aswell

[faint robin]

Dondi is a fat rex glazer. Idk how hes still a dev

[faint robin]

Agree w u on that one

[dusky surge]

he... he made the entire game lmao

ofc he's still a dev lmao its his vision

[faint robin]

I wouldn't consider his opinion good after all he did. Even as a dev he relies on

He's also the reason rex prob won't even get nerfed.

[dusky surge]

"all he did"

i dont even know what you're referring to

also rex is confirmed gettingnerfed because it currently has a massive bug that doubles its crush damage

[faint robin]

Crush main problem isnt even dmg, its bonebreak and pin on top of trike not getting reduced hits to its front and sparring not working

[dusky surge]

the fractures are influenced by the damage output

nerf the damage, nerf the fractures

[faint robin]

Is it

[dusky surge]

yes

[faint robin]

Tbh rex shouldn't pin trike in any way

Cuz with it its still allowed to autowin if trike gets to orange

[hasty coyote]

You def can have fracture damage and raw damage be separate. You can nerf one or the other.

[dusky surge]

they are, kind of

[faint robin]

While rex on low hp can just retreat

Trike literally had all its kill confirming moves nerfed

[hasty coyote]

Like how bleed and raw damage are separate. Yes changing the damage will change these, but you can also tweak the bleed/fracture ratio and effectively only change one or the other

[faint robin]

Pinning on orange means trike has like 3k less hp in a rex fight from the start basically

And trike will most likely be lower than orange even if rex just spams normal bite it. Then no matter the rex's hp it just pins trike and kills it.

[slim dragon]

But in this case it's dealing double damage, not just extra raw damage
It's dealing damage twice
Whatever the type of damage

[faint robin]

I just dislike autowin moves at least in same tier dinos fights

You can't balance that. Nerf crush dmg - it'll just spam normal bite till trike is orange then pin kill it. Nerf crush fracture will help but since trike now can't even cc rex reliably - it can just bite your front then pin kill

[hasty coyote]

If that’s the case, that would probably be one of if not the factor making Rex op

[hasty coyote]

I don’t think anyone does, except the ones playing the winner

[faint robin]

Also crush can stun trike as well💀

And you can pin it in the face

The Isle tries its best to make the worst triceratops in dino games lol. Both visually and combat wise

[dusky surge]

this is already how it works

[hasty coyote]

That is what I’m saying

[ashen idol]

Is the rex good?

[regal valve]

Halve crush damage and make it pin only half of the Rex weight

[hasty coyote]

Good would be an understatement

[native urchin]

a friend of mine has been prime stego for a week playing every evening XD still hasnt died to rexes... ran from prime rexes, and killed regular rexes!

[native urchin]

i love coming here to read and see you cry every day about your skill issue in not being able to survive a rex on trike

[dusky surge]

i recently discovered that rex quite literally has a bug causing it to deal double damage, so i think it's not really a skill issue lol

that's just objectively overpowered

[native urchin]

is there? who said it?

(it wouldnt surprise me, the rex of old files had the 5k dmg output of the crush)

[viscid mica]

Dondi lol

No I will admit Rex needs some tweaks on WHEN it’s super fast and the function of crush

[native urchin]

in the latest stream? xD

[viscid mica]

Na in chat awhile ago like 5 or so days ago?

[native urchin]

what is the bug about, is there a way to trigger it, or it always does?

[viscid mica]

Unsure

We did find one really bad bug that would cause you to lose prime elder and be infinite FG sized

[native urchin]

if u canni, u lose prime! and u go back to your weight! happend to my omni

if u eat*

[viscid mica]

Yup

I honestly don’t know why so many people are canning so much on HT I’ve had 0 issue surviving with Ai and none other Rex’s

Like especially if your in a group and can do the Ai summoning thang

[native urchin]

i wonder, but if fg rex crush does 2.4k dmg, and prime rex does 3k dmg more or less... a prime trike should be broken on the 3rd crush, if its full hp for exmaple..

as prime rex the fights i have had the dmg was making sense (based on these stats)... maybe there could be some bug with the younger stages! or there is something that i dont know that allows to abuse that bug

[native urchin]

i mostly had issues on no ai server, but, even there, they kill to kill

which i guess i understand... the less rexes more likely u dont risk of running into a pair of rexes

[viscid mica]

Ya fr only thing I kill is juvis who spam 1 call like gang SHUT IT

[viscid mica]

Tbh Rex shouldn’t even be able to crush pin trike for max damage it should still do a good bit but getting full max damage and winning just cuz nothing trike can do does damage like that without full animation locking it (and you can still move away as it doesn’t stagger Rex) it’s just a awful match up

[viscid mica]

I can understand kinda still annoying knowing that no Rex worth its weight can be trusted

[native urchin]

it should not on the front, i agree... trike should not get any dmg to the face, wether the sparring animation kicks in (which i hate btw), or trike should get no dmg.... but, if crush hits the back side of teh trike, then yea it should do max dmg, i dont see why not

[viscid mica]

The problem is Rex can just directly out run trikes turn

It’s insanely easy to get onto the side or behind a trike

And as thrash animation locks and is one of the most over and under responsive attack ever

I’d honestly prefer if they changed the keybind to be the same as Rex crush instead of the double click

[native urchin]

not really, it does if the trike makes a mistake... if you spar mode sideway and backwords rex cant really get behind

unless its a prime vs fg, which prime is faster... im talkin same size and same growth

[viscid mica]

Face tank a hit get your head past its head and let it rip boom bypassed and your garanteed to simply out damage it

Reacting to thrash is easy

[native urchin]

mr gray and i never allowed a rex behind on trike

[native urchin]

u dont need to thrash

[viscid mica]

Unironically unless the trike is bigger I’ve never lost even to trikes that I know where good

I will admit most Rex players are extremely uga booga

[native urchin]

only trike players who are good, is carnivores players who chose trikes to fight rexes xD

[viscid mica]

And don’t think to do a lot of this

[native urchin]

true! most trikes are as well, cause htey never had to learn how to play the dino

[viscid mica]

Na, trike mains especially the legacy people who love trike cook

[viscid mica]

I mean you don’t need to learn when you out dps everything

It’s why stegos are usually bad than trikes and now Rex’s

NOW STEGO AND REX MATCH UP that needs serious work asap

[native urchin]

yea true.... i still spent a whole 3 hours practicing trike vs trike, before going to play trike!

and i killed all the so called "trike mains" who were begging for their life

[native urchin]

stegos are harder than trikes to fight, if same size! if rex is bigger and dont get stunned different story, but same size, stego can easily 1vs2 rexes! the dps on stego is crazy

[viscid mica]

I mean like apex fights from legacy to evirma are fairly similar just throw in afew different damage options + alt attacks

[viscid mica]

I’d beg to differ

Stegos are worlds easier, face tank the hit land crush walk away let its cooldown expire repeat only takes 2 crushes

I swear I’ve never seen anything less than a prime stego stagger a Rex

[native urchin]

yep thats what rexes did, and they all died XD if rex gets stunned, means it dies

[viscid mica]

Even if they are equal size

[native urchin]

but yea, if rex is fg vs fg stego (3.3 tons difference) rex can do what u said

[viscid mica]

That’s just not true

[native urchin]

no, rex dies pretty much in one stun XD it gets 3 power swings to the face

[viscid mica]

You have to be very good at stego to win plus plus the Rex can’t have any brain cells to pair

[viscid mica]

I’ve never seen this imma be real not against any Rex with above 1 IQ

Like it works against those who sleep on crush exclusively but that’s it

[native urchin]

i can show you my rex, where i messed up and went in hoping iwould pin the stego.... but i didnt

[viscid mica]

I can show you my 3 stegos I lost to Rex’s who were slightly above average aka didn’t just run and crush spam

One at 3 to at most 4T Rex
One full and one prime it’s been brutal I’ve yet to survive more than 1-2 encounters no matter how well I play it

[slim dragon]

You keep saying stego can win against rex if they're equal size

Which is the problem

Stego is REQUIRED to reach Prime Elder in order to stand a chance against a rex who just hit adulthood

[viscid mica]

Yup

[viscid mica]

A base 6T stego stands 0 chance against a base FG Rex (9.3)

[native urchin]

u can run away! u have more stam, and same speed.... rex only with ambush is barely faster.... i just ran away from bigger rexes, they never caught up to me

[viscid mica]

Ya both primes ( you can tell cuz the back plates are slanted backwards)

[viscid mica]

Sir you are SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWER

[hasty coyote]

Yeah if Rex is even 1 kg larger, you get pinned and lose kneecap privileges, which is just a death sentence

[native urchin]

no one is prime, the one i die too its not. im 6.8 tons

[viscid mica]

you infact CANNOT RUN AWAY

Ignoring tracking that is as well

[native urchin]

i played stego, and i did every time xD

i also chased down rexes till they were out of stam

cause i just knew they would run out of stam before me

[viscid mica]

Bro what server you on them some of the laziest Rex’s in existence

[native urchin]

was eu2

[hasty coyote]

If they burnt all their stam running from a stego, that’s a skill issue on their part

[viscid mica]

They will be the speed difference is enough to close the distance

[viscid mica]

Oh well that explains it I’ve been growing my Rex on eu2 and imma be real all the adults are some the laziest players I’ve ever seen

Like if you even turn and run for a second they’ll give up lmao

[native urchin]

idk man, my friends and i have been living without probelms as stegos! my friend has been alive for a week playing every evening!

[viscid mica]

I smell cap I’ve been on for the past 4 days and aight seen nor heard no stegos

[native urchin]

i died at 7 tons on one of my stego cause i got caught by 2 adults, and i still put up a fight!

[native urchin]

one friend is on eu3, and the other friend got ambushed by 3 rex at the bridge of delta 2 days ago

[viscid mica]

Wait what colour were those 3? And were two of em frail elders?

[native urchin]

looks like canni mutation rexes

[viscid mica]

Oh ya those guys, one of em is blatantly esping

[native urchin]

whats reaping?

[viscid mica]

My phone auto correct smokes enough crack for a whole year of undergrads

[native urchin]

ahahahahaha

[faint robin]

Trike in legacy just sux to rex

[dusky surge]

genuinely insane how bad these rexes are lmao

[viscid mica]

Trike in legacy atleast stood a chance so long as you didn’t end up getting tail ridden (use terrain or die)

[faint robin]

We came to evrima for trike to actually stand a chance face to face
But ig triceratops is not allowed to kill rex

[native urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[faint robin]

Rex facetanks trike in legacy its 3 hit diff

[dusky surge]

sounds like a legitimate issue that you for some reason are convinced doesn't exist

[viscid mica]

Uhhhh no? Not in my experience from what I experienced trikes won so long as they weren’t tail ridden

[regal valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142704527577985054/1378805112545476688/rage_bait_2.gif

[faint robin]

Rex needs 10 hits to kill trike, trike needs 13 hits

[viscid mica]

Na that’s based current Rex is even stronger than legacy lmao it’s so op

[viscid mica]

Huh, maybe noobz edited values slightly? I dunno I never experienced that

[dusky surge]

• crush not activating spar
• trike's alt-attack being genuinely not worth using
• trike no longer being able to knock down creatures of rex size, while rex is capable of fracturing and even pinning trike
• rex having FAR better consistent damage output (thrash is so easy to dodge it's basically a non-issue)
• rex being both faster, more agile and with a better trot, capable of literally just walking circles around it

yea, trike is really disadvantaged atm

[indigo rain]

Isnt trike also heavier so rex can entomb to get 25%+ damage reduction?

[dusky surge]

that too, yes lmao

[viscid mica]

Only time trikes win is when the weight difference is like 1 ton min

[dusky surge]

good luck buddy

[indigo rain]

AND rex can stack damage muts

[dusky surge]

yup

[faint robin]

I have a very old footage of my trike killing double bite spamming rex cuz I played around bleed xd
https://youtu.be/afDb_4hC-hE?si=2cC5gZHv_kZZpY9h

[viscid mica]

Not me who has both speed muts cuz Rex’s on eu2 rn can’t be trusted

[faint robin]

But in a facetank? Nope.
PoT also has this rex facetanking trike issue but its not that harsh and trike can deff kill rex
BoB is the best rn at "ceratopsian killing rexes face to face"

Idk why slow 3 horns and a frill killing no armor exposed head face to face is so hard to figure out for isle devs

[viscid mica]

I will say if you get 2 trikes to FG on evirma thou you’ll never lose, thrashing someone pinning is violence beyond measure

[indigo rain]

If you don't run the speed muts you're dead. Simple as. Both speed and faster healing is required it doesn't matter what species you are to literally affects too much not to take sadly

[viscid mica]

Ya they needa tweak some stuff

[faint robin]

I've seen 3 fg trikes dying to 3 prime rexes cuz they just facetank trikes

[viscid mica]

I will forever advocate against Rex having bone break for anything above 50% its weight and crush pin working on anything above 50%

Crush can do great damage without the pin function

[faint robin]

Tbh all this prime sht just ruined balance so much

[faint robin]

Agreed...agreed

[viscid mica]

And headbutts are the most under used attack ever

[indigo rain]

I am not against rex bonebreak, but a dino should never be rendered unable to use abilities because of bonebreak

That way rex has a way to escape

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind the prime stuff tbh I do how ever thing it’s too easy to achieve especially especially for things that are big and take long to grow you got ages to achieve everything

[hasty coyote]

Just make the pin deal fracture and not the base crush. At most base crush should body fracture, not leg fracture.

[indigo rain]

For example a trike that is bone broken should just be slower and allow the rex to flee a fight if it isn't out of stamina

The same goes for stego

[hasty coyote]

Yeah that’s just an issue with fractures in general. Pachy has been suffering the repercussions of this for years

[indigo rain]

Yep

[viscid mica]

If the adjust pin math I’m all for that

Like I don’t mind pin crush working on low hp stuff either

But it’s so dam oppressive rn

I WILL SAY THOU if you got 2 freinds and the time for dilos you can DESTROY Rex’s even in groups

[hasty coyote]

we love fair and balanced clone spam

[viscid mica]

Eh man, I love fair and balanced LMB HOLD to win

[junior wagon]

Umm, is everyone fine with prime Rex having same stamina pool as a Rex half the weight?

If prime Rex sees you with current stats, he will out walk and keep up with stamina it’s crazy.

I thought the smaller Rexes would have at least a chance to run but no lol. You get seen he can hunt you down easily just out trot u and honestly keep up with stamina

[faint robin]

It at least will loose some time chasing younger rex xd
If prime rex sees fg trike - 15 seconds and trike is no more

[junior wagon]

Nah unless you talking about Rex below 4 tons prime Rex our walks and staminas smaller Rex it’s crazy

I’m fine with the long trot of prime Rex, but give it less stamina or give more stamina to smaller Rexes and other Dino’s…

[viscid mica]

Oh no it’s not great

[carmine tundra]

<@&401466542140817419> go to balance feedback

@wise obsidian the plan by the devs was to not make herbivores walking lunchboxes but it seems to be that plan has drastically changed

ngl i feel like evrima is way too incomplete on its roster to be adding trike and rex, it was clearly to boost playercount but its not worth it because of the state HT is in now

devs also seemingly refuse to change juvi rexes speed to something thats actually well balanced, i wonder what their thought process is for that

[wise obsidian]

I'm hoping they're just gathering more data and plan for a stat change before rex releases to evrima

Don't have high hopes but it's something to think about

[dusky surge]

part of the problem was that these apex herbis WERE walking lunchboxes, especially stego

they spawned as VERY large juvis, so carnivore players would get their friends/alts to spawn in as juvi stegos and feed off their corpses for easy nutrition

[carmine tundra]

unintended and no counterplay to deter, also probably not the reason why they nerfed weight scaling and most likely had something to do with just making all apexes annoying to grow

honestly it probably has more to do with encouraging people to play smaller dinos like carno cera teno and pachy hence why most of them got buffs

[dusky surge]

i think it is a lot to do with the juvi size problem too tho

it prevents people from farming as effectively, stego farming has been pretty common for a while now

[bold vessel]

#balance-feedback message
@abstract yew
Bone break is okay if weight was more adjusted, but it would probably really only be needed on dinosaurs faster then rex, like maia, carno, omni, etc.
No reason for rex to be leg breaking a slow trike.

I definitely agree about it needing a cooldown though.

[dusky surge]

a cooldown honestly could fix a majority of its problems

id also raise its stamcost. Did you know it costs less than a raptor pounce LMAO

if it had a cooldown, opponents coud bait out the crush and punish while its on cooldown, and rex would feel more encouraged to use other attacks in order to more consistently land the crush

[bold vessel]

A cooldown would definitely make fights more enjoyable lol
Boring when they are over in seconds

[dusky surge]

agreed

apparently there's also a bug that makes crush do double damage lmao, so thats a big problem

[bold vessel]

You can also cancel crush stun when you miss by just pressing G

[twilit seal]

it was fixed

with it rexes damage output got considerably lower, and it needs bonebreak even more, rex crush is fine rn with the g cancel fix

[dusky surge]

It still does double damage iirc lol

[bold vessel]

When did it get fixed?
Because I'm pretty sure I was able to cancel the animation 2 days ago

[twilit seal]

since the last patch, it was fixed, some people did tell me they could cancel it if it hit but not in my experience

I couldnt cancel either a miss or a hit with G and I used to spam it before

[twilit seal]

im not sure, before the g cancel fix it took me around 6-7 crushes to kill prime rexes and trikes which checks out with the math, with crush being around 2k damage

especially cuz 100% primes have less defenses

so it might be even less than 2k damage as a fg adult

[dusky surge]

primes have less defenses? lol what

[twilit seal]

yeah exactly, not at peak

at 100%, they have 80% hp of their weight apparently

[dusky surge]

i doubt that tbh

[twilit seal]

less tankier too along with speed and bite force debuffs

I was told, i cant prove it until update is live

[slim dragon]

If it's weaker than an adult it's not a prime elder it's a frail

[twilit seal]

kinda checks out in some cases

[twilit seal]

no, primes have less defenses too at 100%

still more hp than a fg ofc

[slim dragon]

At 100% it's not exactly prime anymore
It isn't at the top of its stats

[twilit seal]

either way, rex damage output is like 10x lower with g cancel fix

rex is pretty balanced for an apex carni rn imo, with the self stagger it struggles a lot against other apexes if it doesnt ambush, which is healthy

[bold vessel]

Idk, the pin weight definitely needs some adjustments

It's really bad on the smaller rexes

[twilit seal]

they cant pin unless they are lower than half their weight

or unless the prey is low

[dusky surge]

eh, i'd stil adjust the following

• make it that it can no longer pin things larger than it, only that it can pin things less than 100% of its weight while the wounded/exhausted pre-requistes are met
• give a short 10 second cooldown to crush
• increase crush stamcost from 4% to 8% (it's currently cheaper than raptor pounce lol)
• make crush initiate spars with other rexes/trikes

honestly that's mostly it lol it's fine with all that

[twilit seal]

I can get behind all of that except sparring and idk about the cd

[dusky surge]

why no sparring? it feels so clunky that it cant

[faint robin]

Nah its not
Pin+bb+stun+big dmg on one attack can't be balanced. Trike makes 1 mistake - its dead, shouldn't be that punishing for a def playable vs ambush hunter way faster than it.

[twilit seal]

rex needs the pin as an ambush predator, people keep forgetting you get one shot with smaller prey as rex is slow with really low stam

[dusky surge]

i never said anything about removing the pin

[twilit seal]

rex needs all of that as its bite is not very usable

[twilit seal]

i know i was talking about the others

[faint robin]

Rex doesn't need to pin a trike
Just an autowin move meaning trike has like 3k hp less from the start (rex pins on orange)

[dusky surge]

i think the CD is needed to have the rest of the kit actually matter, and to force rexes to confirm their crush rather than spam

i wanna see rexes do ANY other attack

[twilit seal]

I would agree with that if the bite cooldown wasnt this long, it could be around carno or omni speed

[dusky surge]

it still has headswing on top of everything

[twilit seal]

bite doesnt do nearly enough dps compared to trike or stego

[faint robin]

Its bite is still a big dmg. Rex might need all of that against smaller playables, but not against trike. Triceratops should reliably win vs rex if it faces it

[bold vessel]

Now I'm kinda curious how far u can get by not using that attack at all lol

[twilit seal]

yes but you cant really chain attacks before teh target gets out of the stun

[dusky surge]

probably quite far, headswing is no joke

pretty sure you can knockdown a stego with it

[twilit seal]

yeah but like, never worth it when you can jsut use crush

stego can instantly get 2 jabs btw if you crush it, which is deadly

[faint robin]

Rn 1 mistake vs rex - trike get bonebroken and dies, rex can also run circles against trike even if it tries to spar

[twilit seal]

thats just not factually true

a trike that knows how to spar and stun the rex, rex cant get behind without taking major damage, and even if it gets behind and crushes, the self stagger leaves it open for the trike to turn again

[faint robin]

Trike staggers if rex lands a crush on it.

[twilit seal]

not on the face

[dusky surge]

this is the problem i have

nothing is ever worth using. Rex has a super detailed kit boiled down to a single button. It's boring

[twilit seal]

thats why they need to make its kit more usable

[dusky surge]

and the crush less so

[twilit seal]

I truly think crush is fine with the G cancel fix

[dusky surge]

it really isnt

[twilit seal]

idk if you guys fought or played rexes since then

[dusky surge]

i have, it's still exceptionally unfun

just crushspam

[twilit seal]

increase stam cost then its not spammable

[dusky surge]

you say that

and yet people call stego's powerswing "spammable" despite costing an insane amount

[twilit seal]

it also does more dps

[slim dragon]

dps is kinda the only thing stego has going for it

[faint robin]

You get behind, crush, trike is staggered

Its way way to punishing as a trike to fight rex face to face
Rex should ambush it, not walk carelessly and just kill it after 1 mistake

[twilit seal]

its pretty hard to get behind a trike that knows what its doing

[slim dragon]

(=sticks its butt to a wall)

[dusky surge]

not really no

[twilit seal]

you could just tank crush and g spam and get behind before, now you cant

[dusky surge]

basically if there's no terrain, the trike is getting spammed to the ass and dying

[faint robin]

Easy since most of trike's attacks stop it. Trike attacks=rex gets behind

[dusky surge]

baiting any trike attack as rex is effectively a win lmao

[twilit seal]

trike has the tools, i dont think a noob trike should be rewarded for letting a rex get behind

[twilit seal]

this is all skill stuff tho

[faint robin]

Trike making 1 mistake is not a noob trike

[dusky surge]

ehhh no not really? it's animation stuff

i dont think a noob rex should be rewarded for running facefirst into a trike without a plan of ambush

and STILL getting the kill

[faint robin]

Noob rex can get away at any point if it decides to tho 🙂

[twilit seal]

but its not, it gets hit, trike lives, rex can easily be outstammed and bled out

[bold vessel]

either way, rex vs trike 1v1 shouldn't just be over in seconds for both sides

[dusky surge]

agreed

[faint robin]

Rex vs trike head on shouldn't be as easy for rex

Its not that better than legacy rn

[twilit seal]

it should require care from both sides

[faint robin]

Should require less skill from trike if it managed to spot and face a rex. Rex is ambush playable, it has no business in winning face to face w a trike that easily

[dusky surge]

^

it requires significantly more care from the trike

especially since crush doesnt activate spar, which it absolutely should

[faint robin]

Rex has too many tools to kill trike while trike only has thrash to do big dmg yet its not landing thrash on most rexes. Im not against crush doing big dmg, pinning smaller targets or getting a bb on them to kill confirm. Im against rex dogging on trike with all of that.
Why trike has 3-2k hp less than rex in the fight (pin on orange-autowin)
Why trike has all of its attacks disabled if bonebroken
Its way slower yet rex fight is too punishing for it, 3 horns and a frill should reliably drive away rexes if it managed to face them
I agree w the guy above that trike should even 1v2 rexes if it uses terrain

Trike's thrash is also so easy to mess up with it's controls, esp compared to rex crush
Double lmb and youre basically dead

Idc how it will be made but trike should have way easier time facing rex. If ambush predator failed its ambush - it should be punished, not walking casually to a trike and killing it.
Rex being able to ambush on top of how op it is is just crazy

https://youtube.com/shorts/lua2Zv2ADZI?si=A5rL2_IK7S0d6uRs also this is just funny considering those trikes also can't run from it

[slim dragon]

The fact rex charges headfront, misses half its attacks, tanks the trike's hits and still wins is crazy

[twilit seal]

I mean teh running argument is kinda stupid, most younger animals cant run from bigger stuff

[faint robin]

Its prime

[slim dragon]

That's not really an excuse tbh

[faint robin]

They can hide and in rex's case run

Trike is just a walking buffet if prime rex is around

[slim dragon]

I agree primes have to be strong, but that kind of misplay should be heavily punished, even for one

[twilit seal]

beign 4x its size is an excuse

[faint robin]

Its not even twice the weight

[twilit seal]

all the trikes in the vids were sub 5 tons

especially now, trike reaches sub at 3 tons since the update

[faint robin]

They were adults judging by the horns

[twilit seal]

no, the sounds were still young

neither did they make the big steps

[faint robin]

Last one was clearly fg

[twilit seal]

the one in the tunnel? not even close

listen to the hurt sounds, it still has juvie marks

[faint robin]

I'll never get elder system. Ruins balance so much to me

[twilit seal]

if elders didnt get boosted speeds it would be fine

[faint robin]

Elder rex is just an unbalanced slop only dying to hunger if played right

Elder trike idk since its slow buf still a death sentence to fg trikes

Only primes should deteriorate, not common fg's

[twilit seal]

I dont agree, players should still be punished for not reaching prime

just not so severely, and can get a bit of an increased weight

[faint robin]

Prime is optional as devs said

[dusky surge]

what? they have never said that

[faint robin]

So as entombing

Yet youre still forced to entomb cuz your stats are sht even on old prime

Grind simulator

[dusky surge]

entombing is optional, prime has never been optional lol

i mean... nvm i guess you can just not get prime and be a frail elder instead

[faint robin]

With bad stats

Devs said that only primes will be deteriorating iirc when elder system was first discussed

[faint robin]

Still fg trike is at a huge disadvantage vs prime rex (cuz it is vs a fg rex lol)
While also being slower

[twilit seal]

I mean all fgs have a disadvantage against primes lol thats kinda the point

[dusky surge]

i personally still think it's really bull that prime is effectively a death sentence

[faint robin]

Most can at least run

[twilit seal]

ehhh I mean, teno dibble maia cant run from an elder cera either

runs as fast as an omni

its an issue but its not just a rex trike issue

[dusky surge]

and thats not good either

[twilit seal]

like i said primes having speed changes is just unbalanced

speed is arguably the most important balance stat

fg variants cant escape primes either

[faint robin]

https://youtu.be/b7mbqoeRCSY?si=NJ8OVM_qclX80lq7 rex stuns same size or bigger trike w crush in the face 15:12

Also shows how easy it is to kill one in the face and how easy it is to get behind one

[twilit seal]

trike is literally 3 tons there where rex is above 5 tons

[faint robin]

No way it look the same size...

[twilit seal]

idk if youre aware but trike growth curve got changed

[faint robin]

How is that rex heavier than that trike

[twilit seal]

rex gets the heavy steps above 5 tons, trike still making juvie noises

[faint robin]

Anyways rex still curbstomps trike as shown in the end

[twilit seal]

your examples are just always factually false

i feel like you dont know the growth curve of each dino in this matchup and making stuff up

[faint robin]

You defending rex crush is factually false lol

Can't have all the goods but rex does

[twilit seal]

all the examples youve given have been biased

[faint robin]

As ppl keep repeating here - rex fight is too punishing for a slower trike meant to face

Rexes don't even care to ambush

[dusky surge]

i mean...

one could easily use the same argument against you, so i dont really see what you're trying to prove here

[twilit seal]

ive not given any arguments defending rex because it cant kill a fg trike as a juvie

every single footage he sent was juvie-subs against rexes double their size

[faint robin]

End fight is fg vs fg

[dusky surge]

mate i'll be real there's no WAY that's the size difference you're saying it is

that's a big trike

[twilit seal]

rex is prime, trike is adult but not fg

[dusky surge]

they even get locked in a spar for a short period, proving they're of similar weights

[faint robin]

I don't care how visually screwed stats and appearances are since im not TI nerd, fg vs fg trike vs rex its way harder and way more punishing for a trike with out reason to be like this since trike is slower and rex is meant to ambush trike

You basically defending this "trike made a mistake - its dead, rex made a mistake - it can both still kill trike or retreat" ahh fight

[dusky surge]

i also just feel the fight as a whole doesn't reflect what i was hoping for an apex fight

they don't even spar because rex doesn't initiate spar on its only move worth using

its kinda just crush spam to death

the trike at least needs to utilise several attacks like alts, sparring, thrash, power attack, etc

the rex is just kind of not at all engaging to face

it has all this depth, yet its best playstyle is as shallow as a puddle

it takes what should be the epitome of a clash of the titans and turns it into what is, imho, the least interesting matchup in the entire game

[native urchin]

he's low cause rex ambushed him

mr gray

guess what.... rex couldnt run away, cause of stam and bleed XD if u chase u kill the rex u messed up

[dusky surge]

it could also have something to do with the fact that he's actively cheating by using reshade/gamma to just see through the dark extremely easily

and the rex could've killed him, it just didn't

[native urchin]

no he edits for his videos 😭 also gamma doesnt show in clips for example

if u clip its gonna clip without gamma even if u have it on

so your argument here, is he didnt die because he might have had gamma? XD

[dusky surge]

also that "ambush" was quite literally sprinting in his face, the rex was notably smaller and still the trike got hit to orange

but yea, trike is really strong against bad rexes

that are also smaller than it

[native urchin]

no he is low because rex already attacked him, he didnt clip teh initial part

[native urchin]

that rex is bigger, he is 1.5 tons here

rex is 2 tons +

[dusky surge]

there's no way lol, that trike looks significantly heavier

[native urchin]

they changed the growth....... its 1.5 tons

[dusky surge]

they can change the growth all they want but the model tends to be reflective of weight

[native urchin]

no its not! the skin development has not changed

my friend was growing trike, model stayed the same, only stats changed (started before the update, and when he logged back into it he went from almost 5 tons to 2

also, sparring is a death sentence, both for the trike and rex.... either of the 2 that gets caught in a 1vs2 is basically dead, cause u can just lock into the animation.

they should leave sparring to be a friendly battle between ceratopsian.... not to be used in fights

[dusky surge]

it's meant to be used in figths

what's the point of adding it to rex if it's never ever getting used

[native urchin]

yea, thats why i want it removed... from rex, and even trike... it should be a mechanic that both people should agree upon, not an automatic thing.

most of the times is a death sentence in fights

but this is independently from rex! i had issues with it when playing dibble and trike before rex as well

[dusky surge]

lmao all that animation work and programming just to be scrapped

[native urchin]

i mean, the idea is really cool! dont get me wrnog!! would work very nicely in a realism scenario.....

but the amount of times i have been cannid, or i have cannid so easily, just cause we were 2.... just lock him into spar and the other one trhashes the butt xD

[hasty coyote]

If that Rex used the MASSIVE opening as you thrash and then turn towards it, you would be dead. The fact it backed off is what killed it.

[native urchin]

if... if .... if ....if .... if... if

if u dont let rex behind trike wins 😂

[hasty coyote]

Ok so there’s no point in arguing if you’re just gonna result to insults.

[native urchin]

i didnt insult.... i just used less IF than u guys do whenver a trike wins... but then show half size triek lose to rex and say rex is a problem

[dusky surge]

that is not a half-size trike man idk what to tell you

if it was, that trike would already be pinned and dead

[viscid mica]

This is false I’ve been outright face tanking trikes my weight during my Rex grow and winning every time Rex is faster, does more damage and can easily out manoeuvre trike by simply walking in circles

Trike cannot compete in damage nor close combat movement

Only chance at damage matching trike has is thrashing which if I’m being blunt only the dumbest of dummies are getting hit by in 1v1s it’s slow easy to predict and animation locks you for 3x as long as crush does

Rex is significantly stronger for many reasons to a point trikes are rarely if ever winning 1-1 fights no ambush of equal size (FG to FG prime to prime)

[native urchin]

if u are similar size you enter spar mode from teh front

[viscid mica]

I was in a situation earlier were my duo was afk for abit and I was fighting a trike between the 3-5 range (I know it wasn’t dibble sized but it wasn’t much bigger) and a dibble as a 6.2 Rex and absolutely obliterated them simply face tanking

[native urchin]

i just think rex players on average are better than trike players

[viscid mica]

If spar mode wasn’t bugged and worked

[viscid mica]

Objectively false

Rex players are extremely ooga booga

[native urchin]

trike players never had to learn pvp

[viscid mica]

Neither do Rex’s they sleep on a ability that gives them a free win for holding LMB

[native urchin]

rex players you see in videos, are mostly pvp/carnivore players

[viscid mica]

And trikes in evirma rn are all dibble mains

[native urchin]

carnivore players are objectively more pvp oriented, not all of them, but we could say that whoever has been playing trike and stego so far in the game, never really focused much on pvp

[dusky surge]

that's beyond funny

rexes haven't even been out for a month, they quite literally just spam one attack and most of them either mixpack to adult or farm dibble AI

the idea that their players are better is genuinely laughable

[native urchin]

pvp enjoyers dont play trike nor stego, since nothing fights them, too boring for them

[viscid mica]

On average Rex’s are winning not because they are out classing or out manoeuvring they are just objectively out dpsing

[dusky surge]

yup

[viscid mica]

Same deal with Rex your point makes no since

[dusky surge]

TRUE THO

[native urchin]

yea, but carnivore players have more of a pvp mind, they learn quickly about the dino and how to abuse the mechanic (im not saying rex is skillful)

[dusky surge]

no one wants to fight rex, the crush is just an anti-fun tool

it's better off just leaving it alone every time

[native urchin]

i do on trike and stego XD

[dusky surge]

trikes also have a PvP mind

that's how they don't die

trike cannot run from literally anything but a beached deino

[native urchin]

trike just need a lucky alt attack hitbox on a cera to kill em one shot!

[dusky surge]

no?

alt-attacks do not one-shot cera

[native urchin]

on the head it does

[viscid mica]

Dibble, stego and trike mains are some of the most PvP deprived thirsty ahhh players I know

You give them a fight and they’ll bust

[native urchin]

ahahaahhaaha please

they all so eager to be anuisance, as soon as they get sort of low they start camping and 4 calling

biggest wuss of the isle

[viscid mica]

Bro think about this way

Carnivores fight cuz they have too

Herbivores fight cuz they want too

[viscid mica]

And carni players try and run away the moment they realize they out classed it’s a two way street

[dusky surge]

sorry, you want them to give up and die?

lmao if you can't deal with anything they throw at you, that's your skill issue

i genuinely hate this "wuss" argument

they're playing smart to not die

you picked the fight, either you end it or you admit they got you

because it's not like there doesn't exist a carnivore that cannot escape any of those creatures easily

the rules of chivalry don't exist, this isn't For Honour

[native urchin]

the fact a stego or trike dies to ceras its a skill issue... needing to camp as them is laughable

of coruse, as soon as there is a carnivore that matches them, they'll die, if they struggle with ceras 😂

[dusky surge]

ofc they struggle with ceras

ceras are insanely capable of hunting stegos and dibbles and trikes

have been for the longest time, any competent cera knows that

[native urchin]

nah man, i never struggled

the few times i playhed stego and trike

[dusky surge]

if a cera understands its toolkit well, it can easily dominate that engagement

[viscid mica]

Ah yes the big and slow Dino with massive stam costs on most of their attacks struggling with large groups of highly mobile extremely stam efficient Dino’s

[native urchin]

i had a pack of cera where we consistently hunted stegos with tail up.... and we practicede.... so its people that were constantly hunting them and killing them with me.... when i was stego dring the practice, they never got me below yellow

[dusky surge]

i love how anything a carnivore is skillful and intellegent but anything a herbivore does is stupid and cowardly

[native urchin]

and i never play stego

[viscid mica]

Does bro not know that stego only gets 10 power swings before it does basically half original damage jabs?

[native urchin]

the hitbox is instant, you just have to press whenever u got hit... u only need 40% stam to use xD

[viscid mica]

[dusky surge]

stego, trike and dibble have one thing in common

they have a single point they want to be facing the enemy at all times (stego = tail, trike/dibble = head)

using terrain and camping is not cowardly, it's smart, it's taking advantage of your strengths while hiding your weaknesses

it's like calling deinos cowards for diving into the water when faced with a rex or trike

[native urchin]

oh i know, u talking to someone who has been hunting stegos since i started playing! so i know a cera can kill em, i also know, that a stego that knows what a cera needs to do to kill a stego, its impossible to kill

[dusky surge]

or calling herreras cowards for not fighting you on the land

[viscid mica]

This is just a argument about skill at this point

[native urchin]

yes, pretty much!

[viscid mica]

Aight aight

[dusky surge]

"only need 40% stam"

LMAO

[viscid mica]

Let’s do this, on AVERAGE assuming both players are equal

REX wins 80% of the time due to a easily noted mobility and dps difference

[dusky surge]

rex needs half the stam to do double the damage but sure stego really matches up lmao

[native urchin]

the fights i had with rexes, i locked them into spar mode the whole time

[steep gazelle]

But there is no skill involved in a Rex spam crush against a Trike. I didn't understand your point xd

[viscid mica]

trash Rex’s

[dusky surge]

how??? were they trying their best to die lmao

[native urchin]

no, but letting a rex behind is

[dusky surge]

genuinely what competent rex is getting locked into spar mode

what

[mint star]

my bloodline curses the cowardly hypsilophodon for refusing to fight me (85% Tyrannosaurus rex) on god’s earth, it sits above and spits its cowardly spit at my righteous self

[dusky surge]

lmao

how DARE you use your advantages to your advantage

i'm the carnivore, i'm supposed to win

[viscid mica]

Assuming your being honest

All this tells me is your overall a very good player probably a few thousand hours into the isle especially evirma most isle players on evirma are on average especially apex players not that good

[native urchin]

i have only one clip, to be honest i didnt fight many, of fair fights i had 2, the others ones were smaller, so i kocked them

[viscid mica]

I think one of the better trike players I’ve seen in awhile I fought earlier this morning when I wasn’t working unfortunately for him he had two legacy OGs duo’s on Rex to deal with and took the watery grave out

[viscid mica]

That would explain a lot

[native urchin]

on stego i had more!

[steep gazelle]

This can be avoided by the Trike, but Rex can easily end up behind the Trike without any problems. Rex is faster, turn much better, Causes more damage, Causes Pin/Grapple and causes fracture...

[native urchin]

spar mode backwards and it wont get behind, he would need to get too close, and you can hit the dead zone on the ehad to knock

dangerous, if u miss he gonna be behind

[viscid mica]

Stego v Rex really just comes down too

1. Is the Rex The same size or bigger

And

2. Is the Rex competent enough to bait before going in for the crush

ATM if the Rex is equal size + and not a complete moron they win 100% of the time against stego

[native urchin]

no, same size is stego favored right now

[steep gazelle]

Rex is just the playable one that requires the least skill to use, Even Stego needs more skill to use

[native urchin]

u litterally should not be baited, stego power swing has instant hitbox... meaning u are always gonna hit even if u get stunned

[native urchin]

all apexes dont need it, they are that strong. but that also means, apex vs apex, its gonna come down to who is a lil better, and one mistake will be bad

[steep gazelle]

Trike really requires skill to use, but Rex? Just spam the crush

[viscid mica]

Nope cuz you can still pin, and it only takes 2 crushes on anything less than a prime even if equal sizes

If they are losing that stego fight they played it wrong but I can’t blame them as I’ve said apex players are kinda ooga booga across the board and stego is probably a more forgiving ooga booga against other apex’s.

[native urchin]

i mean, when i killed the rex on trike, all i did was spam the flip while in spar mode

stego is spam the powerswing

[twilit seal]

Btw elder stego can stun up to 11.5 tons

[viscid mica]

Me and has been fully utilizing its kit during my grow cuz throwing a mfer to the ground with headbutt is bad funny

[native urchin]

carno is spam charge, cera is spam charge bite, dibble is spam the flip, teno is spam the kick, maia is spam the alts

the isle is in teh spam era now

[steep gazelle]

This is literally Only attack he has

[viscid mica]

I know, why are you letting it get a hit off on anything more than your tail?

[native urchin]

its the bggest dps of the game

[steep gazelle]

Yes, but he literally only has that ability xd

[native urchin]

i dont complain, its the only thing giving it a good chance vs rex! so its fair

sadly it was added when the biggest threat was cera with an unreliable hitbox

[viscid mica]

Carno charge they gonna have to enforce cooldown it’s so awful

I dunno why cera needed yet ANOTHER BUFF

Dibbles are fine tbh

Teno is one of the most balanced skill to power ratio

Maias are easy to avoid dying too imma keep it 100

[steep gazelle]

Rex has 2 variations of alt attacks, and 2 variations of headbutt, but they are completely overshadowed by an ability that deals high damage, Pin, Fracture and has a huge hitbox, Completely different from stego

[native urchin]

yea im not arguing if its stong or not, just saying that, sadly (im not happy with it), all dinos are capable of spamming attacks nowdays

[native urchin]

you'll need those if something small attacks you, like ceras and stuff! thats where i found mself using them

[twilit seal]

Wdym? Rex goes in with its face first

[steep gazelle]

You don't understand. Rex doesn't need to use any other skill besides crush

[native urchin]

i do, i played rex... i barely use any other attacks... but sometimes if smaller stuff is hunting u, you occasionally use the others

also, if u want the other attacks usable, make the bite faster.... its no use with that cooldown

[steep gazelle]

The crush does all the work of using the skills correctly, only for it to be completely unbalanced

[dusky surge]

or nerf crush because it would still be better even if the bite was faster

[native urchin]

its the king of carnivores... aside from breaking below sub adult, i dont think its not balanced.... we can give it more of a cooldown, but u cant g cancel anymore

[steep gazelle]

No. Crush needs to be nerfed, it's completely unbalanced currently

[dusky surge]

i hate the king of carnivores argument

yea its a big carnivore but that doesn't mean it's not subject to being balanced

[native urchin]

dmg wise? or cooldown wise?

[viscid mica]

Well let’s talk the value received from those than

Rex crush has a insanely high value to spam value as it can tank hits from basically anything less than a stego or trike and is basically garanteed a win from 1-2 hits

Carno is a minigun atm and can delete everything short of 2+ tons

Cera while charge is annoying it’s not anywhere near as high value as carno and Rex

Dibbles have to land hits to get any value from flip and even than they can only flop so much

Teno kick seems meancing but is easily countered with careful timing and is in a similar boat as cera charge all he it less oppressive due to bile

And Maia cannot spam…. Just like move two feet to the left and BOOM they miss 😂

[dusky surge]

i'd say cooldown personally

[native urchin]

i dont think it would change anything.... it jsut becomes hit and run! a trike that allows a rex behind will still die... rex just gonna wait the cooldown

[steep gazelle]

Cooldown, Damage, Fracture, Pin, and hitbox. Needs a complete overhaul

[native urchin]

XD so how much dmg should a rex do, which was basically killing and crushing bones with one bite back in its day? XD

[twilit seal]

Damage is not more than 2k, it needs the fracture, the pin, the hitbox is the fairest thing among all the new dinos, cooldown is the only issue

Its an ambush predator, whats it gonna do without pin? It only has one shot

[steep gazelle]

Not much less, but also should not be able to cause pin and fracture to things larger than 45% of its current weight

[native urchin]

either pin or fracture has to stay, or rex aint catching anything but a trike

[viscid mica]

50% be fair it deserves the same math as deino

[dusky surge]

with rexes stam, it wouldn't be a very long lasting plan

[viscid mica]

Pin and fractures should only trigger on things much smaller

I wouldn’t mind if they gave headbutts fracture value against larger things but make them have to hit afew of em

[steep gazelle]

Crush has one of the worst hitboxes

[dusky surge]

• make it that it can no longer pin things larger than it, only that it can pin things less than 100% of its weight while the wounded/exhausted pre-requistes are met
• give a short 10 second cooldown to crush
• increase crush stamcost from 4% to 8% (it's currently cheaper than raptor pounce lol)
• make crush initiate spars with trikes if attacking their heads

this is all I'd do to it

[native urchin]

i agree that trike should take barely any dmg from front..... definitely not fractured... with that i agree! but on the back side? hell nah, should get absolutely mauled to death

[steep gazelle]

It can even cause Pin on things that are on the rex side

[viscid mica]

I wouldn’t mind this if they improved trikes turn speed during both sparring and base atm Rex can simply put manoeuvre trike by doing a quick dash to a side

[native urchin]

we are not new to isle desync are we? trike knockdown, dibble knockdown, teno kick (that i abuse btw as a teno main), stego power swing, carno charge (its probably the craziest)

[steep gazelle]

That's fine. I just don't think Rex needs to pin things with less than 20% HP/Stam/Bleed like Omni

[native urchin]

need to buff regular bite cooldown then

if u put 10 seconds on the crush

[dusky surge]

honestly i dont really see the need that much but eh

[steep gazelle]

Yes, Desync does affect some attacks, especially Carno charge auto-hit. But you can tell the difference between a huge hitbox and Desync

[dusky surge]

like you said, the rex can just run away and wait out the cooldown so clearly there's no problem

[steep gazelle]

Omni also has this same problem with Pounce and Pin

[native urchin]

also, rex has lingering hitbox like pachy headbut, meaning if u go in too early on teh side u get pinned (bonked if a pachy)

i foudn out on my poor cera

[viscid mica]

Oh ya I almost merked my Rex duo because of this 😂

[native urchin]

unless stego and trike know about the stam of rex, but probably is still managble

[twilit seal]

Have you tried hitting somwthing thats running away from you? It misses 90% of the time unless you do it from the side

[viscid mica]

Uhhhhh

Wdym?

[viscid mica]

Mmmmmm no not if your throwing it out at the right time

[native urchin]

when im rex feels like i hit but never hit, when i was ifghting rex it hits where it shouldnt... i cant hit for my life the small stuff running.... i also had a carno go through me when i crushed on top

its inconsitent

[twilit seal]

The only reason the hitbox seems weird as the target is because the rex launches itswlf forward when it connects

It has a pretty fair hitbox compared to most recent playbles

Trike has arguably the worst hitboxes in the game with flip and thrash hitting behind it

[viscid mica]

I’d say the reason it’s unfair is cuz it’s a lingering hitbox so it can cause for some weird interactions

[viscid mica]

Oh dude thrash is useless against Rex’s

[twilit seal]

Yeah I get that but theres an issue with lingering hitboxes in general

Stego power swing currently has that too

[viscid mica]

I really wish they’d change its key mind too be like Rex’s crush too

[twilit seal]

Im not talking about rex matchup

[viscid mica]

Cuz the amount of time you accidentally thrash is insane

[twilit seal]

Countless smaller tiers die because they try to hit trikes butt with the opening to die

[viscid mica]

Stego hitbox issues are 90% desync related

[twilit seal]

Ehh not on ht, it definitely has a lingering hitbox

I can find some clips of my friend fighting them as diablo

Its like pachy used to have

[viscid mica]

Tbh all Rex needs to be solid balance, is changing when they are stupid fast to be earlier and lose it later (no reason for a 1t Rex to be running at 60kmph)
Crush math and fractures for 50% and below but not above

And that’s it everything else is issues with other playables like them nuking trike and dibble drift for no reason

[twilit seal]

The speed is fine, if they lower speed they need to buff stam of juvie rex. You have the 60kmh for like 2 growth ticks then you get down to 45

Just make crush fracture at sub and above

Crush fracturing same size stuff in 4-5 hits is fine

Thats already putting targets to below half hp

It currently does around 2k damage which is fair since G cancel is fixed

[viscid mica]

The problem is the size in which they are they fast

[twilit seal]

Just add a cooldown and double stam cost and rex is balanced

[viscid mica]

I’d prefer if the really young ones where obnoxiously fast when they still weigh nothing

[twilit seal]

Yeah 1 ton is 60kmh, then 52kmh at 1200, then 1600 is 45 kmh

[viscid mica]

But a Rex double the size of omni being a whole 15km faster is painful

[twilit seal]

If they remove fracture below sub speed is fine, they have like 100 bite force at 2 tons

[viscid mica]

Ya it’s just the timing of the speed that’s the issue not the speed itself

[twilit seal]

Ah gotcha

[dusky surge]

isnt it funny that they added an ability that's supposed to be strong against targets that are knocked down, then removed trike's ability to knock rex down in the very next update lmao

[viscid mica]

Your forgetting that crush does insane damage

[viscid mica]

Gotta satisfy the Rex mains at the start aight?

[twilit seal]

Yeah I know, thats why the crush math is weird, on adult rex it does slightly above 2x bite damage

But on juvie it feels like it does way more

[viscid mica]

Rex mains fragile egos couldn’t handle not being god tier on release

[dusky surge]

it USED to be able to knock down creatures of rexes size, they literally removed it

[viscid mica]

Yup

[twilit seal]

Without bonebreak and g cancel fixed tho its not the biggest issue

[viscid mica]

I wouldn’t want knock down stagger maybe

[twilit seal]

Its fairly easy to dodge and without bb rex cant really be a problem to ceras or carnos at that size

[dusky surge]

meanwhile rexes thrash equivilent, crush, is easier to land, doesn't have to knockdown, is faster, doesn't animation lock you as much, pins, fractures, stuns and more

[viscid mica]

I will agree that fracture is a very unique issue that needs to be addressed

[dusky surge]

i would

give the power hit knockdown on rexes so trike can use its big move

[viscid mica]

Indeed

[viscid mica]

Like do you mean thrash landing knocking down stuff its weight?

[dusky surge]

no

i mean the hold LMB attack, the power hit

[viscid mica]

Oh….. mmmmmm

[twilit seal]

Yeah but the innate issue with that is not rex nor trike its just simply the weight limit, it means trike would knock down other trikes too then

You can knock down other trikes too on the head or tail

If you know the angle

Same thing with rex, if they are running and trying to circle you if you do a running attack they get knocked

[dusky surge]

i said power hit

[twilit seal]

And then you can simply chase them and make them bleed out

[dusky surge]

why are we talking about running attacks

[twilit seal]

The flip?

[dusky surge]

at no point did i even mention the running attack

[twilit seal]

Cuz the flip has lower threshold

Or higher i mean

[viscid mica]

Tbh I’d prefer the running LMB hold to do knockdown

[twilit seal]

It is already the main knockdown attack

Just cuz your trike does a little bunny hop it shouldnt knock down equal size targets

[viscid mica]

Ya if THAT can knock Rex sure

[twilit seal]

It can yes, rn it can

[viscid mica]

They can just give trike a stability adjuster to its own attack

[viscid mica]

Can it?

Ah so all they need to do is give trikes its ability to turn back and boom problem solved

Minus Rex math being on crack

[twilit seal]

Yeah on a headshot

Its even easier to hit on rex compared to other trikes

[viscid mica]

Oh uh change that so bodies can too

[twilit seal]

I believe if they are running they can in some cases ive seen but its inconsistent

[viscid mica]

Hrm

How complex

[twilit seal]

I mean i played trike a lot agains the leaked rex

I could get the knockdown consistently and one shot them with trash on head

I practiced I mean, on free admin servers

Rex couldnt get behind with sparring ever, and if they did and didnt know the g cancel, i can get them in front again

[viscid mica]

I see

[twilit seal]

Also also

[viscid mica]

And current version spar doesn’t activate 90% of the time

[twilit seal]

Rn since g cancel is fixed, rex stays staggered a while and cant stun trikes on the head, if you see a rex charging your face and crushes, just use thrash

Then rex is out of the fight even without knockdown

[viscid mica]

Ye but tbh playing as Rex rn just dodging to the side and forcing it to try and turn match me or wiff is too easy

[twilit seal]

Rex self stagger is longer than the stun it causes on the trike even

[viscid mica]

Indeed

Ignoring that thrash ani lock is 3 centuries lol

[twilit seal]

Yeah but is it a crime for the trike to be patient and time their attcks instead of the accidental trash spam? Cuz if it does it can absolutely win

The real issue behind the matchup is crush dealing full damage to the frill of the trike

With g cancel fix, rex doesnt do as much damage a sfast as before

[viscid mica]

I will be completely honest thrashing be imitated by double click makes it really difficult to not accidentally throw it out with how unreservedly slow apex left click feels

[twilit seal]

I do think trike should win 80% of the time face to face if equal skill

[twilit seal]

Thats always been the real trike killer

People being dog water on trike missing their attacks but before they could make as many mistakes as they could against the carni roster

[viscid mica]

It should have the advantage of the Rex doesn’t ambush and try’s to ego it yes

[viscid mica]

Indeed

And Rex is a extremely unforgiving training partner

[twilit seal]

Trust me when I say rex damage and fracture output is 10x lower since G cancel fix

[viscid mica]

Oh 100% current Rex grow

[twilit seal]

People havent really fought them after it and still make assumptions from clips they have seen

[viscid mica]

Compared to when HT first launched

Two different worlds it took me awhile to get used to it actually

I think current rex is attempt 13? Not including all the awful spawn ones

also encountered a staggering amount of blatant espers or speed hackers

[twilit seal]

It makes it even worse ambushing stuff you cant pin cuz if you dont fracture you lost the kill

[viscid mica]

Not exactly?

It really depends on what your fighting

[twilit seal]

Its pretty painful watching your target leave you to dust while your rex is recovering

[viscid mica]

You only really get punished if it’s dibble or trike

[twilit seal]

No im not talking about a fight

Like ambushing a maia as a sub rex type of deal

[viscid mica]

Oh I mean, other than losing your pray so long as your not significantly smaller I have yet to be completely destroyed for it

Stompers do hurt thou

[twilit seal]

No no you understand me wrong lol

[viscid mica]

????

[twilit seal]

I mean if they just run, you cant do anything

Im not talking if they fight

Before you could chain crushes to cripple them so they cant run

[viscid mica]

OHHHH

Ya I mean it’s all apart of the game

Sometimes you just gotta hope they want the smoke

Or start tracking

[twilit seal]

Ive seen so many dumb tenos and maias fighting my rex double their size when they couldve ran

[viscid mica]

Eh I’m happy with balancing as long as fight or flight is a option

Now just cuz it’s a option doesn’t mean everyone takes it ego do be doing a lot of people including myself in some times

[faint robin]

Erm what? Carnivore - more pvp, herbivore - less pvp? In what world are you living

[native urchin]

compared to trikes and stegos so far? yea, trike and stego could get away with many mitsakes, considering the roster!

if u enjoy pvp, u dont play trike or stego, you would play other herbis, like teno and dibble

[faint robin]

And? Unlike in rex matchup "below half health" is still battleworthy opponent which can still kill you. Rex has too much of disabling tools. And bringing trike to half hp with spammable attack is easy even face to face.

Like in what world do you guys think rex autowinning after getting same sized animal "below half health" is fine compared to basically every other playable needing to brawl through whole hp is even close to balanced lol?

[viscid mica]

Mm depends you talking pre HT or HT?

Cuz current HT trike and stego for PvP purposes sound fun despite crush being ungodly

But I would agree with you pre HT

[faint robin]

Fully agree on that take

[native urchin]

its not autowinning, its simply a hard fight! unlike before, now u gotta play carfully with trike, which trike players never had to, never really had to go and practice trike cause there was nothing really scaring trikes and stegos... now there is and u gotta play smart!

so i said, rex players, hte ones who are making videos (not all, but aelius, mr gray, and others) are all pvp players mostly, which are more careful about mechanics, and know how to abuse them quicker, cause they have practiced their craft... even fi teh dino is new (and very strong, rightfully so)... while trike players always played ez mode

[native urchin]

pre ht of course!! no im enjoying stego and trike as well XD more stego than trike tbh

[native urchin]

i also agree that face front crush should not deal any dmg to the trike, but if it gets behind then everyting that happens its fair

[viscid mica]

I mean trike rn is just kinda hard cuz you have to meet very specific conditions to not die

Stego is a lil less forgiving to bad Rex’s

[faint robin]

I enjoy pvp and I play trike. Enjoying defence is also enjoying pvp

[faint robin]

Trike bonebroken is autowin so as pin

[native urchin]

i havent had much experience on trike, but the 2 fights i had, i never got below yellow, and as stego i killed many rexes my size!

mr gray the same, grew 3 trikes and won its fight! never let a rex behind

[faint robin]

The problem is rex have easy time getting behind sparring trike

[native urchin]

no, u enjoy being the biggest trongest thing that barely gets bothered... unless u go around killing all other trikes

[native urchin]

i disagree.... the ones who tried with me, or crushed my face, all got demolished

go fight 3 ceras as teno!

[faint robin]

I fought both other trikes and smaller tier packs
Was fun

[viscid mica]

Is bro really trying to tell another man what he enjoys 😂

[native urchin]

now, i do agree with yoy with rex crushing to the face, and trike taking full dmg, i dont think that should happen... rex HAS to get behind, or it should be punished hard

[faint robin]

I think having a big chance of being ambushed by overpopulated rex is scary enough to at least don't worry about rex demolishing you face to face

[native urchin]

i mean, i played trike pre ht.... i fought 3 ceras in 15h of game play... aside from that nothing really tried

[native urchin]

i play unofficial so rex overpopulation aint an issue

[viscid mica]

Nothing tries but you can instigate

[native urchin]

yea, reason why im so happy trike and stegos cant sit on bodies anymore :))

[viscid mica]

Oh joy artificially limiting population stupidest thing any server could do imo

[faint robin]

Rex rn is the most brainless thing, even stego and trike are more skillfull
The point is - rex shouldn't autowin just because it brought trike to half hp. This basically means trike has 4500 hp vs rex lol
And it also shouldn't run circles around it like a big cera

[viscid mica]

I mean they still can technically if they want

[native urchin]

then, if your trike geets murked by 2/3/4 rexes, official do be like that.... or even worse, prime trike and prime rex! good luck livin that

[native urchin]

true, if they know how to fight a rex yea! sitting next to a corpse, a rex or 2 might show up... or the cera/omni or vven teh poor troodon trikes and stegos love to body camp, can call their rex friend

[faint robin]

Your trike will get murked by 2 or more rexes on unofficial too

[viscid mica]

Fair elder system is…. Questionably easy

[native urchin]

in that case, i will put my butt into a rock! adnd try my best! but i also do not think a trike should survive 2 rexes either!

[native urchin]

yea, i hope they make it way harder

[faint robin]

Seems like youre very offended by herbies doing whatever they want to do lol
Realism player mentality

[viscid mica]

It’s certainly far to easy for large slow growing species to achieve

[native urchin]

im a teno main that kills everything that moves tbh XD

[viscid mica]

But it’s way harder for tinies cuz they don’t have a lot of time to do everything

[native urchin]

but, i never body camp! nor body deny! cause i respect who plays carnivores, and they gotta eat too

[viscid mica]

Let alone things like deino which spend 95% of their life in water

[native urchin]

yea, i tried my best on deino, from north lake, delta, north jungle water access and highlands... wasnt enouygh 🥲

[faint robin]

I can body camp so volcanoes under carnivore ahhes explode

[native urchin]

yea.. i love humbling herbis sitting on bodies

[faint robin]

I don't think you should care what other players do unless its cheating

Maybe you won't glaze rex if you change your mind

[viscid mica]

You gotta hit sanc, mz and multiple PZ it’s nearly impossible with deino cuz of the water locking

[native urchin]

i mean, i like to play fair! i like pvp and fair fights!

[faint robin]

Body camping is fair

[viscid mica]

Plus it doesn’t seem to count swimming as “travelling” I’ve encountered issues with beipi too

[native urchin]

nah its not! body camping a lone raptor as trike and stego its not! nor is body denying after they been fighting you for an hour

[faint robin]

And well, fair fights are sadky very rare in evrima, most are you getting ganged solo or you gang solos

[viscid mica]

K if you go after a group do you honestly not expect them to be mad if you are successful ?

[faint robin]

Both are not breaking anything so are fair

[native urchin]

if u are fighting ceras and one dies, and u stand on the body, thats fair!! not allowing to gastro... but if they show no intentions, i just let them eat... especially as stego and trike, since u one shot anyways, doesnt matter if they full hp

[faint robin]

I hate raptors for example, so I won't let them eat in front of me

Thats my mind

[native urchin]

im not! and i respect them being relentless... if they kill me ggs to them, they deserved the meal XD

[faint robin]

I also will chase and kill even the smallest raptor cuz I dislike the creature

[native urchin]

why do i have to body deny, after they fought me!

[viscid mica]

So than you can’t hate body camping

[native urchin]

and thats why u play trike, cause nothing is scary for you

[viscid mica]

If you fight something solo and don’t eat right away and something pulls up and wants smoke that’s on you

[faint robin]

I play trike cuz I love big ceratopsians my guy

Otherwise I would've played rex 🙂

[native urchin]

yea, if they dont want the smoke i leave! but thats just me! i dont expect others to do it... i still never body deny, nor body camp

[native urchin]

but too scared to play dibble alone?

[faint robin]

Is dibble big ceratopsian? I played dibble and its not my style

You have really childish takes lol

[viscid mica]

I will depending on if I think they’re starving or na. A wins a win no matter how you achieve I almost lost my Rex cuz bro decided to drown himself rather than lose to us earlier snd while it’s extremely scummy I get it(I’d never do that imma commit to the fight)

[faint robin]

I play trike since it came to the isle in 2016ish

No way ppl playing what they like not because its op (i will never play rex for that reason)

[viscid mica]

See I don’t like that reasoning

I play everything at minimum once

[faint robin]

Well kinda true for me but rex is what I just hate since legacy

[viscid mica]

I think it’s important to understand all play styles especially if you wanna have a voice in balancing comments and not be clowned on

[faint robin]

I played troo, maia, teno, dibblr, stego and galli outside of trike

Oh and pachy but that was short

Im also waiting for shant and cama since they'll def fit my playstyle

[viscid mica]

Ya but you limit your understanding by doing that

You’ll only ever see one side of the coin ya know what I mean?

[cerulean vault]

For carnivores it will be Rex< Deino<Spino<allo<barry<troo Herbivores Its Going to Be Maia<shant<anky<Cama<Trike

The only dino i have not played is dryo and Pt

[random stump]

you generally shouldnt drop opinions on stuff you havent played cuz you dont know what its like playing that thing

excluding carno because that thing gets reworked every update it seems

[cerulean vault]

who me or the other guy

[random stump]

other guy

although tbf

rex is infact hilariously op

juvie rex 1 shotting dilos and omnis guys its so fair trust me i should totally be able to crush and break the legs of animals that weigh as much as i do

like i get it its meant to be tyrant lizard king and all that but i do not think it is reasonable to walk up to a stego and 1 shot it unless it has severely screwed up and rex gets to do that (essentially) because once the things leg's broken it cant swing and dies for free

[cerulean vault]

Prime stegosaurus Vs Prime Tyrannosaurus Rex Litterly like 1 rex crush and add in lik two normal bites and two more rex crush its dead

[random stump]

yeah thats completely ridiculous

[cerulean vault]

well head bites for steggo well tbh irl rex would only bite once

[random stump]

its not like omni (or allo eventually) where the pinner is actively jumping onto the target and holding onto them, rex is literally just walking up and smacking its head into something

[cerulean vault]

Think how big that mouth is

[random stump]

realistically rex in an f-16 fighter jet is more historically accurate then trex v stego

[cerulean vault]

yes fair enough but if stego fought a rex i mean it doesnt bode well for the steg

[random stump]

yeah theres a reason stego went extinct

not rex but the "I'll die instantly if something reaches my head" doesnt bode well for any animal

[cerulean vault]

The only herbivore that could fight a rex off and i mean litterly one if there was two trike is cooked

[random stump]

ankylosaurus has 0 evidence for tyrannosaurus predation ever

[cerulean vault]

Anky funny enough was the rex counter

that tail man

Plenty of fossil evidence for smashed legs from an anky

or crushed skulls

[random stump]

furthermore theres the monsterous sauropods rex had to contend with like alamosaurus

[cerulean vault]

The saurapods if they were small and young enough meal but once you get big enough you're a walking building

I wanna see cama and pue in the isle evrima

[random stump]

regardless of all of that you shouldnt lose an 8 hour dinosaur because someone else clicked once at no fault of your own

yeah ik rex needs to hit stego more then once to kill it but once a legs broken its over

[cerulean vault]

check this out 1 sec

can i post a vid here

like a link is that allowed

[random stump]

idk

[cerulean vault]

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[stark knoll]

Depends on the content of the video

[cerulean vault]

just hunting a steg

for the above topic

[stark knoll]

Yea of course!

[cerulean vault]

does it matter if its from my youtube channel or anything if i can record the recording of the clip i will just in case

[stark knoll]

That's fine

[cerulean vault]

https://youtu.be/nwvQU5TedwU?si=NY9qLlig-GctK8Ey

So in this clip fish

[random stump]

like i really dont understand what stego is meant to do against a rex

[cerulean vault]

scroll mid way

[random stump]

i saw

literally 2 shot it (fair and balanced)

[cerulean vault]

That was a prime too like I was being generous with the amount of bites i said earlier the amount i said was so your health didnt drop a bit it woulldnt drop allot but honestly if you get the ambush 1 on 1

its like you said 2 shots

1 to leg break and 2 to kill it if you didnt care about trading hits

[random stump]

like i understand its meant to be a hardcore game where mistakes are punished but having a fight be over the moment it starts as an apex that takes 6+ hours to grow is completely insane

[cerulean vault]

I mean like rex is potent it needs another apex carnivore to fight with like giga to be fair

[random stump]

well, assuming you're fighting another apex, duh if a rex crushes a carno or smthn as a full adult that carno should be screwed beyond belief

[hasty coyote]

thats a prime stego too

[cerulean vault]

yep

Gis didnt need my help

[random stump]

that makes it even WORSE!

[cerulean vault]

Like he could have totally soloed the prime steg with minimum health loss

[random stump]

I'd really prefer if that was way, way closer, or at the very least you have to ambush the stego your size to be able to do that instead of walking up and crushing it

[cerulean vault]

But again would the real life counter part do any better I dont think so

they also had herds too so safety in numbers

[hasty coyote]

pin, leg break, sit next to it and wait on stam (it aint going anywhere with a leg break) pin again and win.

[cerulean vault]

yep

[hasty coyote]

genuinely tragic matchup

[cerulean vault]

Like it was his fault for being cocky and on his own instead of with other herbivores

[random stump]

i love TWO SHOTTING 10 HOUR DINOS WITHOUT ANY EFFORT ON MY END!!!!!!!!

(how did this get past private qa i really hope this doesnt get past hordetesting)

[cerulean vault]

throw in like two other prime stegs a trike and maybe maias he would have been fine

[random stump]

yeah its just a herd like that should be "overwhelming odds that remove the slightest chance of 2 rexes attacking" not "Oh yeah he'll be fine in the fight probably"

[cerulean vault]

Look stegs had it comming

[random stump]

i mean they did but

[hasty coyote]

he def was being cocky, but he shouldnt be forced to herd up or die on something that takes just as long to grow. Granted he would have died there anyway because theres 3 rexes after him. But in a 1v1, stego needs something to make it not rex fodder.

[random stump]

jesus christ yknow

[sullen dragon]

I heard they do have a survival chance. They could run away with their 1 minute 50 seconds of stam pool compared to Rex 20 seconds, can’t they?

[hasty coyote]

genuinely I'm at a loss how the entirety of this update got past qa, unless they just wanted to throw it out to fix the bugs and fix balance later.

[cerulean vault]

I have 1k hours on Deino alone Steg players you know deserve it that is partially where the guttural yeahhh came from. I just need to get prime Deino so i can pick one up and drown it in the darkness