balance-feedback-discussion

[viscid mica]

Here we go this isn’t any omni ones cuz I’m smort

But it shows probably the biggest issue of pachy not being strong self stun with desync is horrific

And it was @hasty coyote I tested with

@strong crypt

[strong crypt]

thats actually desuync and very easily fixed by aiming more forward but yeah bugfixses ofcourse fix

[viscid mica]

Yes but than what if I don’t have desync in that moment?

I’d just throw myself I front of them and self stun

[strong crypt]

well if you didnt have desync you wouldnt be aiming behind them to begin wiith

like that tail hit would hit i guess i mean

[viscid mica]

If hit ref properly that was a leg

If you look at the angle my camera angle makes it look funky

[strong crypt]

yeah thats true 🙂

[viscid mica]

But any ways

Simple conclusions yes pachy CAN be good if used by especially good people but its limits are extremely low to a point of absurdity compared to everything else its size and what it’s meant to be able to do. As such a large portion of the community want to see a buff for pachy as it stands far below its peers for no real reason

[strong crypt]

so i can almost guarrante a leg break on knockdown vs dilo and the matchup seems rough for dile since he cant really dodge me with so slow of a turn rate or run around me

[unreal crystal]

Exactly what I would expect

[strong crypt]

honestly id also say my chances of winning vs a carno is higher than it is for a raptor

[strong crypt]

limits being extremly low i dont agree on grab two of these and u beat a carno if u play it correctly

the only thing i can agree on is that the community wants a buff and that its good on good people

also i would say patchy is pretty bad when u play it the first time and then miss ur stuff and know nothing about how it works and die and i would say it only makes sense to go on a balance and say its bad which is why you have people working in balance making desicions and not communities

[viscid mica]

But you need more than 1 to be a real threat

That’s a problem

[viscid mica]

In survival it’s pretty easy to wait for opportunities to get that 1/2 hits you need

[strong crypt]

well if thats the problem than dilo and raptor troodon aswell have a problem

[viscid mica]

But it’s not

What a single one of any of those is capable of is far beyond anything pachy could dream of achieving

[strong crypt]

i would be very suprised to see them winning vs a carno

[strong crypt]

and also here is where i disagree with you because 1 of them isnt a real threat

[viscid mica]

Which?

[strong crypt]

dilo troodon omni pachy

[unreal crystal]

A pachy on its own is far more likely to survive and actually thrive compared to a solo omni or troodon lol

[viscid mica]

Ah yes compare them to the small tier crusher specialist that’s whole kit is built for beating things smaller than it

[viscid mica]

Your crazy

[strong crypt]

honestly i dont disagree

[viscid mica]

If we grabbed 10 players at random I almost guarantee they’d do best as omni or dilo and would struggle with pachy and troo way way way more

[unreal crystal]

You know you can literally grass right ?

[strong crypt]

not whilst growing no

[viscid mica]

Ya your obviously not dying to starvation maybe as troo

Yall the only two I’ve ever seen think this

[strong crypt]

after growing then yeah but that skill involvment and you SHould not ever balance a game after skill because when patchy gets buff u will see people just soloing carnos and shi

because at a high skill level it will be unstoppable but at low skill level maybe it will feel better

[viscid mica]

Pachy is completely unplayable low end

[viscid mica]

I mean that’s kinda pachys whole point isn’t it? To be a fracture monster specially good at bullying things bigger than it by not much

It’s whole design is built to be highly threating due to fractures leaving you catatonic

[strong crypt]

and it does exactly this if u learn it
i mean all playables will just die on the low end

smaller ones i mean

have u ever seen a random raptor pack? its like u go to fight anything small and half of them die xD

[unreal crystal]

Takes about 1hr to grow a pachy and you can stay in the sanctuary till around 50%..

[viscid mica]

Not really? If it’s 1-1 carno deletes pachy

[viscid mica]

I’m aware and that’s only because of how awfully weak it is atm

[strong crypt]

same goes for low end raptor and dilo

[viscid mica]

No one would even consider it if it’s grow was on par with things its weight

[viscid mica]

Not a chance

Even new omnis and dilos can do way way better than a new pachy

[strong crypt]

so RN i cannot hit consistent head fractures but the way pachy plays vs carno is land head fracture when he chargu and then u can pretty much fight him and have a chance of winnig

[viscid mica]

That’s cuz they go smooth brain in numbers the same happens with pachys thou

But than again not enough people play pachy to see random pachy packs

[strong crypt]

honestly this is a bug with hitboxses i think or smth

[viscid mica]

Cuz it’s not a good playable

[viscid mica]

So another thing to note is a lot of things have randomly high fracture resistance cuz why not too

[unreal crystal]

It's expected carno to win lol but if you are really skilled you can pull it off. I'm surprised how many ppl don't know pachy alt attacks cancels carnos ram. Also pachy will get a leg fracture / skull fracture on a fg carno from 1 tail hit quite frequently so def not impossible

[strong crypt]

oh yeah xD that little bs

however carno do tend to break

cerato idk why that matters ur never winning vs it since its chargebite can be used with legfracture

now if carno plays passive and shows u his butt you will have to leg break and get out of there but you should see that as a win tbh

[viscid mica]

I honestly don’t get how yall think pachy is good

Have you played a lot of pachy in recent times? Like I genuinely don’t see what yall see

[strong crypt]

its common on duel servers acutally

[viscid mica]

You’re basing your opinion of duel servers?

[strong crypt]

ive been playing it exclusivly of late but all i hear is excuses like im seeing my enemies first and u get ambush and the ones u face are trash and this and that. and that combined with duel server experiences where im able to beat every dilo and omni player ive come across so far (not saying they are the best or worst) makes me think that this dinosaur is not so bad.

then after that i try to think of it from a stand point like if i have no ping issues and skill was the same is it possible to do this in the matchup or this. then i look at stats and stuff like for example dilo wins a facetank now is there anyway for patchy to play so it doesnt have to just stand and facetank.

I try to look also from who it would be harder if all skill needed was aquired

and after that i come to a conclusion

[viscid mica]

Do you primarily play it on survival or duel

[strong crypt]

both

no primarly its like i practice stuff on duel and then go play survival

[viscid mica]

Aight aight

So from what I’m hearing

Then, you are a very good pachy and can’t see it from a lower end perspective

Cuz like ya sure skilled pachy can get it on

But that’s the problem you have to be very good to even stand a chance

And if you compare it to other creatures roughly same weight and skill you’d be doing way worse than them

That’s the problem

Pachy entry level and peak are practically on the same floor

[strong crypt]

you can look at it that way if you want.
if im to explain my self its that rather i dont care if a playable is hard when it comes to balancing and actually find it more rewarding having those higher skill cieling dinosaurs

[viscid mica]

But pachy skill ceiling isn’t high at all

[strong crypt]

imagine like they buff carno but remove drifting that wouldnt be something i approve of

[viscid mica]

Its entry level is just obnoxious comparably to everything else due to it having a extremely weak kit

You want high skill level lets talk carno, omni, or teno

With relatively low entry levels at that

[strong crypt]

i might just be havingg problems with ur choise of words because it has a very strong kit but takes a few hours not many a few to understand

[viscid mica]

It’s kit isn’t strong if you compared to everything else it’s size

It’s entirely niche is barely viable

[strong crypt]

look at what its supposed to do bully small stuff right. it does exactly that if u know its kit

[viscid mica]

…. No ….

[strong crypt]

also i would say 2 patchies have a bigger chance of beating 1 carno than two omnis

[viscid mica]

I can agree on average yes

Carnos kit is extremely good against smaller things

[strong crypt]

so in which case does this animal not have a good kit then?

[viscid mica]

But carno is one of the if not the only things its size without any fracture resistance

[viscid mica]

Speed, self stun and damage primarily

Its trots a wee slow but that’s just semantics

[strong crypt]

self stun is greatly reduced on hit. and i think it is also less when charged
damage is honestly a scam since u can reduce their biteforce by 50%
not to mention leg fractures being a massive inconvenience for u being able to hitback since u cant alt bite or move really

[viscid mica]

If you can hit the most telegraphed attack in existence

[strong crypt]

like if u have congental and u get 1 free HS hit on carno its a 50/50 who wins in a facetank

[viscid mica]

It’s like those scenes where they run with their fist up

[viscid mica]

No carno still wins though far less graciously

Here I’ll elaborate

[strong crypt]

ive been able to win and also ive been able to lose but carno having 6% hp

[worn sentinel]

bro how long has this been going on for holy

[strong crypt]

yeah actually lets stop lol

[viscid mica]

43 so photo isn’t a forced mutation and the basically fracture immune cera can’t easy run you down

No self stun (at the least on hit) cuz it’s stupid to

And improve charge and alt damage + add fracture damage to alt attacks

[viscid mica]

As long as we decide to

[worn sentinel]

Like I’ve checked 4 times and it’s still been going go eat some fruit or smth 💀

[viscid mica]

Why does the length matter?

It’s a good topic

[strong crypt]

43 so photo sint forced mutation wdym

[worn sentinel]

It is a good topic I was just poking fun at how it’s been going on for ages

[strong crypt]

xD yeah im fighting an army

[soft mantle]

@strong goblet just add stun effect on powersing to rex/trike and stego is fine

[viscid mica]

Cera is faster than pachy and even more so if they take photo meaning your free99 if a cera happens upon you no photo

[strong crypt]

ah but thats with mutation

[soft mantle]

cera is slower than pachy

[viscid mica]

This isn’t the worse we’ve had a convo las ta full 36 hours before

[strong crypt]

u should always pick movement mutation urself and woallah problem solved

[worn sentinel]

HOW????

[viscid mica]

By .1 if no photo but who doesn’t run photo

[soft mantle]

pachy runs photo too

[viscid mica]

People got into it

[strong crypt]

yeah

[viscid mica]

Cuz it’s unironically required

[worn sentinel]

Nah that shouldn’t be the case imo, the game shouldn’t be “run this mut or die”

[viscid mica]

If it was 43 you wouldn’t need it if you didn’t want it

[strong crypt]

well yeah since everyone else uses it

[unreal crystal]

So at least we can all agree now pachy needs a nerf .... this was a great discussion

[strong crypt]

you would still prob run it because that togheter with ur headbutt means more hits

[worn sentinel]

NERF?????

[viscid mica]

Maybe maybe not me personally just based on pachy kit I can think of better muts to use in combos depending on the pachy style I wanna do

[unreal crystal]

@viscid mica came out to this conclusion @worn sentinel

[strong crypt]

i go congen photo and tactile endurance

[strong goblet]

Its about more than balance tbh, imo it would be a cool way to incorporate how the plates were assumed to have worked. The buffs would be small %, maybe even 10 is a little high i wont lie

[viscid mica]

I’m going to take your left pinky toe so you can never walk normally again

[unreal crystal]

Xd

[strong crypt]

xD

[viscid mica]

Besides the point though it’s simply way slower than everything else its size for no good reason I don’t mind it remaining slower but not to the point where your speed equals are more than double your size

[strong crypt]

honestly with a couple of hitbox fixsese bugfixses and maybe fracture reworks it would be really neat

[worn sentinel]

Give pachy sparing mode 🔥🔥🔥

[strong crypt]

xD

[viscid mica]

Pachy doesn’t need much to be playable by noobs and have a very solid high end that isn’t absurd

[worn sentinel]

If they make it so pachy is faster than photo cera and make its self stun it’s probs chill

[strong crypt]

ive said this putting it to more speed np

[viscid mica]

I mean cera is basically immune to fractures so it’d be fine

[viscid mica]

So your fine with minor speed up

What about self stun?

[strong crypt]

yeah i think so

with speed up

[viscid mica]

Cuz those 2 are the only really hindering ones

[worn sentinel]

Tbf at this point ceratos immune to radiation for some reason

[strong crypt]

like the speed would ofc make it alot harder for raptors but thats already hard for them in my opinion wont really change the matchup

[viscid mica]

Extra damage is more of a convince thing and boosting its low end (tbh I mainly want fracture damage on its alt cuz I don’t get why not)

[strong crypt]

as long as raptor is faster than it

[viscid mica]

Because it’s cera

[strong crypt]

i heard something intresting for body fracture from Rapdex that decrease to turn ratio instead of more stam drain

[viscid mica]

Oh ya even with photo at 43 you’d only hit 45.15

So base raptor still faster

Not by much thou

But who doesn’t run photo on raptor

[strong crypt]

self stunn ive expressed my problem with removing this.
now if it is removed for it to ever be balanced again would need bunch of nerfs

one i can think of is remove self stun and remove opponent stun

but idk how thatd play out

[viscid mica]

What if only removing self stun on hits so you get rewarded for good aim and patience

Self stun is probably the biggest of all the problems that causes for pachy to basically be gate guarded for experienced players only to enjoy

[strong crypt]

eh this would make it possible to attack bigger targets and as long as they keep the delay between being able to do a new headbutt this tdont seem to bad but the fact however considering 2 patchies that know what they doing can bring down carno a small game specialist having the ability reworked in this way would be devestating.

raptor pouncing it almost being impossible do to it being able to stun and run and you can do a quick circle into leg break or smth

[viscid mica]

Hmm if pachy stunned in exchange for fractures I’d agree I just find getting punished simply for using a attack is stupid

Especially something as small as pachy

If the level of entry was higher and it was something more like dibble or bigger I wouldn’t care

But pachy is far to small to be this hard to even start as

[strong crypt]

the punish winodw is low on hit actually and if i for example get leg break on carno that is no return damage since he cant alt bite right

like usually when i get pounced is after missed hit it almost never happends after actual hit. but this is my personal experience

[viscid mica]

But leg breaks are exceedingly hard to get cuz the body hitbox tends to overlap

[viscid mica]

I mean omni gets stunned and your garanteed at least a body fracture so their stam drain is insane

Tbh fractures beyond leg should do more

[strong crypt]

yeah but stam drain is not enough for pathy fight is almost always over before either one is out of stam thats why a rework to this feature feels not to bad

[viscid mica]

That and head

Body fractures atm don’t seem or at least feel like they have much effect unless it’s a really prolonged fight

Which rarely have the joy of a pachy due to your speed being abysmal

[viscid mica]

Yea

[strong crypt]

head fracture is so good leg fracture is good body fracture(tbh body fracture is like a thing for chasing down stuff but its not a carnivore xD) is mid at best and the inconsistency with fractures hitboxs is really bad especially vs carno

[viscid mica]

Oh ya

I’d say the 3 things that suffer most from desync are troo omni and pachy by far

As they rely on charged/lunged attacks for majority of combat power

That’s also why pachy self stun is so deveststing

Even seen in the clip I shared

This one I hit on my side but not on his and if we weren’t testing the moving ram he coulda turn around and got easy fee hits and destroyed me

Plus that super clear leg hit was just a body on the second pass around

@strong goblet those would serve no purpose to stegos balance or game health balance wise

[strong goblet]

They could make the buffs whatever they want tbh, i just think it would be a good way to slightly buff stego to the point where its not a free rex meal. Maybe make the stun a little longer when the ability is being used. Tbh i mainly just want, and really believe that they should add some sort of mechanic that the plates/spines would give. It would be realistic as they werent just cosmetic (for the passive at least), regulating their body temp. maybe buff # 2 is reaching a little far but i still think they deserve some sort of regen buff, even if its very niche

Just another small feature to make them a little bit more unique is all

[steep gazelle]

@torn egret I agree and neither disagree with your feedback. Troodon really needs to be faster when Juv, 14km is a ridiculously stupid speed for him, considering how harmless he is at this stage

[torn egret]

But you shouldn't really be running and moving around when you fresh spawn as a troo because of that.
I get my tendons jumps started lol.
3 stam bars, then go look for a deer or Taco/ chicken or scavenge.
It gets its 30kmph speed at like 25%, or 8-10 minutes with no diet. It doesn't HAVE to be dangerous etc at Juvie stage imo. The earlier pounce damage helps already. Not to mention pouncing is the most efficient form of transportation almost lol

[steep gazelle]

I understand that you can do well even with this Troodon speed, but increasing the initial speed to 25km would make everything more fun and fair for the 1kg flea that can only kill small bots. Not to mention that this would not make it unbalanced or Op in any way xd

[torn egret]

But I kinda like the slower speed XD
Idk but it feels more "natural" ig and I don't mind it being more "difficult" to grow.
Just because it's not broken/unbalanced doesn't mean it should be easy either imo.

[steep gazelle]

It's just a matter of it not making sense that it would be so slow for something so small and harmless, which has speed as its only source of survival. This is also happening with Maia, where even at 60% of its growth it is not faster than 40km.

[torn egret]

Of course it makes sense!
What was you 5k run time as a toddler lmao XD
It's one of my favorite examples to use because these changes often make the "survival aspect" boring,
Maia Grows pretty quick for its size, Troodon is SUPER fast, Like I just haven't had it impact my experience in any way. I just changed my playstyle a smidge for early life

[torn egret]

Maybe give it 5kmph extra when it spawns? that could help

[steep gazelle]

25km is ideal, not as fast as before but not as slow as now.

[torn egret]

But with the scaling, Juvie does get 25 kmph, Just starts at 13 I think.
Maybe make it 18 to start, keep the 25 kmph mark when it hits the 20-30% mark.
Allows for a bit of travel if needed but I don't think it needs 25 off rip.

[viscid mica]

I mean you do lil to no damage are 1 tappable by even other juive and at speed Ai are faster

[torn egret]

You’re always 1 tap as Troodon lol
I have no issues getting chicken deer, tacos, or turtles because of the reduced speed, just WISH I COULD GET SOME CRABS 🦀 when I go to the beach.
But yeah, crab and compy start spawning again this whole speed thing will be a non- issue

[viscid mica]

Congenital does weird black magic for troodon

[torn egret]

Not enough to justify a slot imo

And I still can survive bites

But I just choose not to get bit

[viscid mica]

It does some voodoo I’ve tanked a Maia stomp before with it so I’ll trust it’s black magic

[strong crypt]

Maybe it was registerd tip of the tail hit

Because even with congental it should be anything that does 73 dmg in 1 attack that kills you

[strong crypt]

i would like actually really clear stats of dinos attacks and special attacks also clearer explenation of mutations. this would make it easier for everyone to understand them
example:

example troodon increases damage to 2x right with poison fully applied now lets say you add pounce to that 35x2=70 dmg with full poison
lets say you wanna buff this for example now you take all dmg abilities and manage to get around a 20% damage buff. now does these buffs apply to your second ability or just bite force?
also since you are now have 20% damage on your 2x damage is this damage calculated this way (20%+200%=220% noraml pounce dmg 35+220%=77) or this way (35+20% = 42. 42x200% = 84) the diffrence in damage from the two ways it can be is between 77-84 that is 7 damage

now i know this is not much but this apply to anything that has damage increase for example cerato

cerato getting 300dmg on fully charge now if this is flat damage or %increased damage matters when taking damage buffs.
also if mutation increasees to damage counts as your new standard damage or just a % increase

and im betting majority of people dont know about stegos head debuff.
and some dont know about dibble trike head shield

[torn egret]

To answer your general question,
Damage muts only apply to bites. Not pounces or venom dmg.
The venom scale for damage (if I remember) is 1.5 at stage 2x at stage 2 and 3x at stage 3
So it’s 120-150 dmg around there to get someone into stage 3 and each pounce from there is 110-115+
Damage muts are kinda redundant for troo and Omni unfortunately

But they do apply to cera bites etc.

[cosmic pelican]

Stage 0 35, stage 1 45, stage 2 70, stage 3 100 dmg for troodon

[thorn mountain]

I see this man in chat i say hi

[cosmic pelican]

Bite also does 45dmg upon stage 3

[thorn mountain]

should do 70 😛

[cosmic pelican]

I wish

Its so situational and risky it might as well

[torn egret]

The dmg numbers went up slightly btw

[cosmic pelican]

When?

Last update stage 3 did 100dmg

[torn egret]

Last patch,
111 dmg at stage 3 base

[cosmic pelican]

Guess I gotta test

[torn egret]

added 15% dmg I think, we did test on ttl

Also they buffed bleed dmg too

Jump kick is NASTY now lol

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah I felt that

Managed to bleed out a sub rex the other day

And my friend bled out a teno

[torn egret]

Thank you Dondi! lol
It's crazy, because now you can actually keep things from running away as fast

[cosmic pelican]

Although we still have to test the exact values, but it seems to be above average bleed per pounce now

[torn egret]

I think they just added venom damage instead of physical dmg

Because pounce 1 is still that 35

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah thats the physical part

Just hoping it doesnt get touched any more balance wise

[torn egret]

I think Troo is Perfect where its at tbh

[cosmic pelican]

Aside from being able to drag large organs maybe

[torn egret]

THAT

Nvm I wanna drag organs too

[cosmic pelican]

Loll

Spread the word then

The fact it caps at 1.3t is so sad

[torn egret]

Right

Elder Troo would be dope af as well

[cosmic pelican]

Like cmon it has teno, maia, stego in its diet yet barely benefits from hunting them

[cosmic pelican]

If we theorise its weight to be 90kg, which is a stretch, it still wouldnt be able to grab organs from creatures that weigh 2t 😭

[torn egret]

Make it 120 kg

XD

[cosmic pelican]

🗣️ 🔥

[unreal crystal]

Sounds cool when you think about it for the 1st time but then I wonder if this is really going to be helpful for troodon
I mean sure, a bit more health is always good but overall you are still pretty much 1 tap for most things.
I feel like the weight gain could ultimately become a disadvantages as it would make troodon more visible in grass,bigger hit box etc

Overall just kinda have mix feelings about it elder troodon

[torn egret]

Depends on playstyle.
Weight and size don't perfectly scale, so an elder Troo might be slightly larger, and to help with that we can give it3-5kmph extra to help.
It's def a hard one to figure out.
I like adding a bit of size (cause you're right it doesn't matter much) but it might need a touch of speed and maybe a smidge of extra venom dmg or effects

Maybe give elder the mimic if it ever gets figured out etc

[unreal crystal]

Yep totally agree, the extra speed will be huge for troodon, that's what excites me the most

Also I imagine the time to get to elder on troodon will be really short

Wondering if elder troods will still be allowed in sanctuary lol

[torn egret]

I'd be ok if they couldn't

[unreal crystal]

Agree, that'd be reasonable

[worn sentinel]

120 kg trood with 240 health would go so insanely hard holy

[torn egret]

It doesnt need 240 HP tho, That's a bit much lol

[cosmic pelican]

60kg 120hp troodon went insanely hard ngl

Even back when it only had 75dmg on stage 3

[torn egret]

Right.

The damage/ max damage was the main thing holding it back
That and stamina

[viscid mica]

Congen is witch craft sometimes

[faint robin]

@waxen lance trike heals this fast to somehow prevent fg trikes dying to absurdly small dinos like troo, omni etc which it can barely hit
And to somehow prevent ceras from abusing its turn

Its a good way they made apex basically immune to being chipped to death

[steep gazelle]

He recovers 9500 health in less than 5 minutes lol

This is absurd

Carno takes about 20-30min to recover 1300 health

[maiden temple]

Yeah it's not really fair to anyone tbh

[golden coral]

But should they be? Should trike not be hunted by troodon, omni, and others then?

[maiden temple]

I understand the aim for this but there has to be a way of doing it without healing this fast

It just means no downtime for an apex

[golden coral]

And little risk/chance after a hard fight, unless you're third partied almost immediately

[maiden temple]

Yup, that's what I hunt on raptor. Watch something fighting, then follow and ambush while it's still weakened

Watching deinos do half the work for me when they manage to attack a stego is just

[waxen lance]

~13 mins but yeah

[waxen lance]

It doesn't need a 3 minute heal though, it's wayyy too overtuned despite that

[faint robin]

How is trike supposed to reliably hit those?
Trike can't avoid getting damage, thats why it heals fast

[faint robin]

It still needs to heal fast for how big and slow it is
Carno heals slow because it has ways to avoid damage
Trike is just a dmg sponge at this point

[faint robin]

Trike def shouldn't be hunted by troodons lol, and omnis should be in a big pack to hunt it

Stego healing should also be upped but stego still has easier time fighting small things

[waxen lance]

3 mins is not okay 😭 it should be atleast like 10 mins, they could just give it DMG resist to smaller creatures or something

Like you can outheal quite literally everything in the game just by standing in a corner

And there's ways to avoid troodons and omnis, go near trees, water or back yourself up into a tight space and they literally cannot continue the fight

[faint robin]

10 might be too much for an animal that can't avoid getting damaged

[waxen lance]

10 is fine for an animal that can essentially 1 shot every single Dino in the roster

[faint robin]

Ah yes 9 ton triceratops needing to back to a corner from a pack of chicks

[waxen lance]

U don't need to do that, but the option is there

[faint robin]

Since there aren't weight based dmg - trike should heal fast
Up the healing of those who heal too slow and its fine

[waxen lance]

Nah in no way should trike heal that quickly, although some things do need to be upped like Galli or dibble who have absurd healtimes

[faint robin]

Almost forgot there's gastro regen present

So others heal as fast

[steep gazelle]

Dibble takes about 10min, and he's also someone who can't avoid taking damage from smaller things like Troodon xd

[waxen lance]

Gastro is a whole other story, it needs to just be removed already

[faint robin]

Dibble obv heals too slow

[faint robin]

well its not

its still in the game

[steep gazelle]

No. Dibble heals in a fair amount of time

[waxen lance]

Eh for its weight it's very slow

[faint robin]

Its too slow for how slow the dibble is. The bigger you are - the faster you heal easy balance

[steep gazelle]

The Trike has many weapons for dealing with smaller dinos, the main and strongest being the environment. If the Trike is near water or a rock, it is practically immune to them

[waxen lance]

^

[faint robin]

what if its not

[waxen lance]

You're more than likely always a short walk away from them, and trike can take a trillion hits so it's not like it's forced to stay wherever it's being fought at

[steep gazelle]

And if the Trike wanted to fight at a disadvantage in the open field, it is entirely his fault and he should not be fully loaded and saved even though he is stupid

[faint robin]

trike doesn't decide where it gets attacked LOL

Trike has 0 control in fights

[steep gazelle]

Obviously (Lol), but decide how going to defend yourself

[faint robin]

So trike should camp a wall ig

[steep gazelle]

Yes

[faint robin]

Cool gameplay

[steep gazelle]

Just like any other playable

Use the environment to your advantage if you are at a disadvantage, otherwise you wouldn't want to be saved for being "dumb"

[faint robin]

Any other playable can run away or run to better spot

trike is 23 kmh

[steep gazelle]

Anything that runs less than 40-45km cannot

[faint robin]

being on an open field as trike is dumb?

Dude play trike, its forced to ge wherever PZ or MZ says

[waxen lance]

Staying and fighting people in an open field is dumb

[steep gazelle]

If you are at a disadvantage right now, yes

[faint robin]

Again trike doesn't decide where it gets attacked

[steep gazelle]

But decide how to defend yourself, my god xd

[faint robin]

if you say trike should live its whole life near a wall - not even gonna argue w that lol

[steep gazelle]

Do you want to be completely carried away by what you're playing and not have to use your brain?

[faint robin]

you don't have the speed or stam to run to said environment at any time

[waxen lance]

But you have the health

[faint robin]

I don't want to be threatened by 30 min growth time playables as 12 hour growth playable

[waxen lance]

If you're feeling that way that says more about u than trike itself

[steep gazelle]

You have. You have a lot of health and trees,Rocks and water everywhere

You don't need to have a stam like Galli to be able to stay close to a rock or water xd

[faint robin]

30 min growth playables shouldn't threaten 12 hour growths playables unless the latter is faster

[waxen lance]

And they don't

[edgy moon]

Trike being uncontested by everything except other apexs is boring for everyone

[steep gazelle]

Of course it should, especially those whose niche is hunting bigger things, like the Troodon

[faint robin]

I said about the smallest, ofc cera pack may contest trike

[waxen lance]

Which is stupid anyway when the small scavenger is hunting an apex

[faint robin]

Nah it shouldn't, troodon's niche is hunting bigger things which it already does in pack (dibbles, maias etc). Bigger things doesn't mean it should be hunting everything bigger than it

[steep gazelle]

Cerato is completely unbalanced currently, but a trike can still handle it if played correctly

[steep gazelle]

Troodon has stego in its diet, man xd

[faint robin]

Having something in its diet doesn't mean troodon should be hunting fg stegos

Diet only says you can eat said playable and get nutrients

[steep gazelle]

Yes, it does. Just as Cerato has many things in its diet because it is a scavenger, Troodon has things that it is able to hunt in large groups (10)

[faint robin]

Large group maybe, yet troodon doesn't have trike in its diet

[steep gazelle]

Obviously, it's in large groups. If you're having trouble with just a few Troodons, that's a big skill problem and not trike problem

[faint robin]

Troodon is not getting hit unless it failed or server performance is bad
So trike's healing gives it immunity to that

[edgy moon]

literally nothing currently has trike on its diet. In the case of deino, in particular, this is a joke.

[faint robin]

Why should it

[edgy moon]

because you should be rewarded for killing baby trikes?

[steep gazelle]

That's great, isn't it? You don't magically hit the tiny, speedy troodon with your slow trike without even using the environment to your advantage like any other playable

[faint robin]

You already are, with food

[edgy moon]

risk/reward

[faint robin]

Whats risky aboit killing baby trike

[faint robin]

I should just step on it lol

[edgy moon]

the adults that accompany them

[faint robin]

Its elephant using environment against a pack of chicks at this point

Pack of chicks which shouldn't even pierce its skin to do proper dmg

[steep gazelle]

Seeing all your comments, I realized that Trike doesn't have a problem dealing with smaller things, it's you who does xd

[faint robin]

I don't, I was never attacked by troodons lol
Funny how you assume 🙂

[edgy moon]

Trike players are so ridiculously entitled, see: all the posts about food scarcity on a dino that literally can't starve

[steep gazelle]

So what are you complaining about? Lol

[faint robin]

Still no point in having all the nutrients eaten in 1 bite, big herbies should have bigger plants

[faint robin]

Am I?
Its the chick mains complaining they can't kill an elephant

[golden coral]

Use terrain, like everything else usually does? Back up in corner, force them to face you (especially useful vs pounce due to self kill on front pounce). You got strafe to help you with positioning for this as well. Is that not good enough? Most large things can't really juke or otherwise avoid taking damage, even a diablo or maia or most likely allo isn't really juking like smaller things are.

[golden coral]

And here I was told that troodons niche is to kill apexes and other very large tiers :D But I would agree, no need for troodons to hunt things that size. Omnis I do think should be able to, in full packs. Or at the least hunt wounded or weakened apexes, but that would possibly require a bit longer healing. I would argue that is a good point for longer healing times, more likely to get hunted while weak, than if you can recover before the opponents corpse is even cold (a little exaggerated, but I think the point stands)

And 5 minutes sounds quite fast, going from almost dead to almost full health

At least for something that large, it seems more like something a dryo would have, dies fast, recovers fast

[golden coral]

This has always been the case with large things vs the pouncers, both due to how pounce is, and due to the fact that large things struggle with hitting small things.

[unreal crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/why-lyin-gif-11131708

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message way to use the balance feedback channel

[thorn mountain]

its a very good balance take

[faint robin]

What the 🤡 is this

[unreal crystal]

It's ok, no need to be salty about it, you'll get better with time. And ok I know some people might disagree but I can almost promise if you put some time into learning trike you will see, fighting troods is not really that big of an issue

[strong crypt]

i know you can find the answers thx aswell. but having better explenation of stuff wouldnt hurt for newer players. also Tutorial xD

[edgy moon]

Totally agree, the game does not make it easy for new players to find essential information. I think it would be great if you could do calls in selection screen so players can familiarize themselves with what sounds are made by which dinos in game.

[faint robin]

I didn't fight any troodons, my dude
Nor did I complain about anything, like chick mains complaining about not being able to kill an elephant
Go and womp about juvie troodon speed nerf with your assumptions lol

[eager saddle]

Tbf troodon should be able to grab the organs of bigger prey if that’s what it is supposed to hunt

[warm flax]

or maybe take 5 to sec to drag the organ similar to its weight out from the body

[eager saddle]

Yeah thats fine. It doesnt have to be instant, as long as it can

[unreal crystal]

Nothing wrong with being horrible at trike as a beginner. Although I must be honest, in my case I wouldn't have issues facing troodons as trike but some people are just not naturally good with trike and they require alot more practice.
Overall I'd say don't lose hope, just keep practicing trike and with time you will realize it can be a real threat for troodon in the right hands

[faint robin]

Nice ragebait🤡

[vale brook]

if that's ragebait im a smurf

[amber wharf]

legit just stand by a tree. trike alt attack is sloooow and only matters if you manage to hit it just right. 😭 a pack of like 6-8 troods tried my 65% trike the other day, I moved by a tree and ended up killing 4 of them before they left.

I was still top health but got a little blood around my screen. I wasn't even low just annoyed because I was trying to focus on getting my diets up when they came across me at night lol.

[river kite]

@remote kayak you might of typed that in the wrong channel

[remote kayak]

thanks

does anyone know if omni will get any changes? Seems really not worth playing with the new dinos coming out. they die so easy

[amber wharf]

hopefully their buggy pounces get remedied but unsure. they are still pretty good mid/lower tiers but right now unplayable imo with the buggy pounces.

[steep gazelle]

Buggy pounces and knockdown recover time

[amber wharf]

that too. the stun for knock down is a death sentence.

[steep gazelle]

Omni is pretty bad now compared to its previous version, unfortunately

[amber wharf]

also, a fresh spawn trike was managing to stun my fg omni the other day... 😭 maybe not fresh fresh but like MAYBE 4% trike. I could pin him.

[steep gazelle]

Well, Trike has the same stun limit as Dibble

[amber wharf]

and when i did pin him, a sub + adult trike ran over to help and i tried to get off the baby trike only to get off and hover over him for atleast 5 seconds before i could run away. thankfully the trikes didn't try to kill me and the baby but my god, THAT was just... unplayable. 😭

[steep gazelle]

He also spawn weighing around 200-400kg

I didn't play much with Omni before, but now I really don't xd

[amber wharf]

just crazy a near fresh spawn trike can stun a full grown omni. wild work.

[amber wharf]

it rlly is just disappointing rn so no point in wasting time growing

[steep gazelle]

Fresh spawn dibble can do it too, I think

[amber wharf]

that's also wild, what. 😭

might as well let fresh spawn teno stun omni. 😂

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

its an apex lol

also i dont "hate a good gameplay" i just dont think an apex should be trifled with

[icy blaze]

Its an apex mimimi is that all your excuse all the time? Youre resting on something thats extremely op just because you dont want to play a mechanic that requires some skill? Ofc why not giving it wings to fly on top then?

Maybe firebreath? Perhaps some toxic skin so you get poisoned when biting it?

Give it some more damage then. Why not. It doesnt already have an insane amount. No it can even cancel the trash attack which makes it even more dangerous. Ofc. Why not. Id recommend some wheels on the feet so it gets even faster, why not

[dusky surge]

my god thats a lot of strawmen

i dont want trike to move faster because thats against the very role of trike

its slow as hell. you get close, you get hurt

when did i even say anything along the lines of trike needing a buff lol

[icy blaze]

And what the hell is going to be able to kill a trike? Dont say rex now

It cant stay like this its insane

[icy blaze]

If you even would get hurt lol. No you are a oneshot

[dusky surge]

im gonna say rex because the answer is rex lol

[icy blaze]

Well then they shouldnt have released the trike yet. Bringing out big dinos all the time whilst the smaller ones get abandoned and nerfed. Rediculous

So rex will be the only one that can take down a trike. Thats stupid. And then what. What is gonna take down a rex? So there will be only running arround trikes and rexes anymore.

Its rediculous. The trike is untouchable. And now dont come arround the corner with "its an apex" as excuse for the insane hitbox the trash attack has.

[eager saddle]

Can make a scarecrow with it

Also stego was released and basically uncontested no?

You know, unless it decided to fight some deinos

[dusky surge]

any apex will likely take on a trike, not just rex

#balance-feedback message

sadly you had the skill issue of picking pachy in the character select screen 😔

huge misplay

[faint robin]

Oh no I can't kill trike on my op ceratosaurus nerf trike NOW!

[icy blaze]

Im not playing cerato lmfao 🤣 ure rediculous

There they crawl out of their holes. Pretending to be skilled. Lmao

[faint robin]

Where did I say im skilled
Its common sense for apex to be strong

So crawl back in your burrow

[dusky surge]

literally trike is the most avoidable animal in the game

slow as hell, loud as hell, big as hell

[eager saddle]

what hostilities out of the get go

[amber wharf]

You don't understand. I need to be able to solo troodon a trike. 😔🙄

[unreal crystal]

I think everyone figured out your skill level the moment you complained about how you struggle against troodon as trike

[steep gazelle]

This guy has a serious skill issue

[faint robin]

Did I even complain?

[unreal crystal]

You hear Orochimaru theme in your head everytime troodon 1 calls

[faint robin]

[faint robin]

You clearly know better how do I play and what I hear, my guy

[stoic silo]

what do yall think allos stats will look like

[viscid mica]

2.4-2.6T 250 bf? 38kmph

[worn sentinel]

It’s ambush sprint will probs be around 50 right ? It’s shown in concept to be getting the jump on a galli

[thorn mountain]

I mean felipe said they might not give it to allo

[worn sentinel]

why would Felipe do this to me specifically 😞

Nah Felipe did this to me specifically not bc it not having ambush would be better for the games health or anything

[viscid mica]

your actually insane if you think allo having 50kmph capicity is a good idea in any way shape or form

[worn sentinel]

Holy god no not all the time I was saying as a quick burst as an ambush

50 km for a creature that size all the time would be ridiculous

[dusky surge]

god no thatd be awful

(ambush speed in general is awful but whatever)

[worn sentinel]

Idk I like it as a concept but i do see how it would make a lot of things unfair

[thorn mountain]

its just for people who cant ambush

[viscid mica]

what do you qualify as a quick burst? cuz 50 for more than maybe 2 seconds is already alot

[worn sentinel]

Yeah I’m talking for 2 seconds max and insane stam drain

[dusky surge]

even if that were the case, its still instant unavoidable death for a vast majority of the roster because pin

[worn sentinel]

hence why the current pin system is ridiculous

I understand why it is the way it is but from a gameplay side it’s rlly annoying to balance around

[viscid mica]

It’s only ok cuz of omni size

That same math applied to anything bigger is a immediate problem

[viscid mica]

Wow cool how to get hacked video

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Hacked acc

<@&401466542140817419>

<@&505047238674874368> seems discord mods are sleepy me too honestly^

W

[steep gazelle]

What happened

[viscid mica]

Video that had a link that would get you hacked in it

“How to get free nitro ahhhh”

[neat swift]

BUFF OMNI

[viscid mica]

How about get Gud at one of the best carnis in the game

[sharp wigeon]

Omni is in pretty good condition.

Small predator, but not the smallest. Built to work in groups, and does just fine.

Capable of surviving off AI spawns (I explored much of Gateway this way).

Omni is popular, you'll almost certainly find another Omni player to hang out with, if not large groups.

[river kite]

#balance-feedback message is what i suggested
@ivory abyss locking stegos only way to fight rex behind a move that forces its head to be directed at rex wont change much imo

[ivory abyss]

well uhhh you just gotta time it right lol. if not then gg XD

[river kite]

gl ever hitting a rex with it without just dying right after if you even land it

[ivory abyss]

well maybe it should knock it down instead

[river kite]

yeah that would solve the risk vs reward, but might look silly. at the same time getting a lobotomy mid combat could def make something trip lol

[ivory abyss]

fr especially by a 6 ton truck with a very pointy stick at the end lol

[worn sentinel]

Agreed, or even just to the neck would make you at least stumble given the force that the tail would be swung at

[slim dragon]

Well
Realistically it would kill you instantly, wether it's to the head or to the neck

[elfin night]

Allo ambush is so omega cringe

[thorn mountain]

@alpine dust its carno stats so no need to worry

[alpine dust]

ah right i'll change

[jade rain]

give dilos a buff in the night

[dusky surge]

they already have one

[jade rain]

oh it must suck then, oh well

[dusky surge]

no its extremely powerful, it increases all venom application significantly, meaning you can envenomate much larger creatures much easier

[jade rain]

ive been attacked by a 8+ dilo group as a single teno in the night, didnt seem to do much

[dusky surge]

then they sucked more than anyone i've ever seen play this game lmao

8 dilos should be killing stego-sized things with relative ease how tf are they struggling with a teno

[jade rain]

feels like any kind of dilo player for me then, ive never died to a dilo as a fg teno,cera,carno,etc.

[jade rain]

thats crazy

[ivory abyss]

you can no longer be stun locked they gave everything a 4 to 5 second time period where they can't be knocked over or stunned

oh and also that trike has probably been growing twice as long or even 3 times as much as you

[torn egret]

I disagree with this.
There’s already a benefit to a well timed face pounce.

Maybe as an option, but I’d prefer to keep it as it is before remove it for that mechanic.

[thorn mountain]

poor salty

[torn egret]

I want to keep my parry dang it lol

[hybrid barn]

bro troodon grown is already a bit busted and untalked about

[soft mantle]

@hybrid barn pachy can just run from cera, i agree with carno there is clearly something that needs to be done in that matchup

[hybrid barn]

while yes this is true at the same weight class even then there is no competition or balance to be had

[soft mantle]

pachy is the herbi u least want to be seen and sneaked against when u are a carni, if u are not a fg carno

[eager saddle]

Sorry did I just read troodon and busted in the same sentence?

[dusky surge]

funnily enough, if pachy doesn't take a speed mutation and cera does, pachy can't even run from it

pachy's speed is just WAY too slow for its size

[soft mantle]

just take mut, seems logical, or just play server without muts, speed is not pachy's problem

[dusky surge]

"just take mut" otherwise it sucks

you're kind of proving the point lol

if you need to take a mutation to make your animal not awful, its pretty bad

also its still too slow

literally 5 whole km/hr slower than raptor, which is insane

[soft mantle]

the mut is

[dusky surge]

both are

[soft mantle]

if the mut doesn't exist pachy can't be outrunned by cera, done

that's why i tend to servers who remove speed muts, problem solved

and if the pachy player wants to play in servers with the mut on, then just pick it or jump to highground to avoid the cera

[dusky surge]

imho its still too slow, mut or not

[soft mantle]

what u suggest?

[dusky surge]

id just make it 2-3km/hr faster, so 43.8-44.8

still not fast enough to catch most smalls, but not pathetically slow

[soft mantle]

sure, seems fine, have u suggested or someone already?

tho, i don't think that's the most important buff pachy should get, a headbutt rework to remove his self stun effect seems way more important

speed doesn't matter if u are stuck in the ground and ur ass is vulnerable(his head is not, cuz the animation even after ending does hit after 2 or 3 secs)

[viscid mica]

Maybe if it was at least the same speed as Ai it’s super fast grow would be a mild concern but even than they are only strong in mass and finding food to survive infancy atm is extremely difficult

[viscid mica]

It needs a few tweaks to its core mechanic as well

Respectfully do not understand why 90% of the roaster has default fracture resistance just cuz.

Smol speed up maybe a minor damage increase (give it fracture on its alts fr)

And maybe a look back at what should and shouldn’t have fracture resistance would be nice

Or make it more situational resistance

@gusty cradle only 1 carni with a pin atm

And you do have a chance to get away long before they even pin you unless your playing dryo rn which your only option is stealth due to them lacking a good portion of their kit and bing way to slow fr balancing issue

[hasty coyote]

I think most dinos fracture resist is fine. Anything faster than pachy is 1 hit fracture, cera and teno take 2 hits per fracture (except cera's legs and teno's head which are both 1 hit iirc), and anything over 2(or 3?) tons pachy can't ram so it cant be fractured (you flat out stun yourself instead of doing damage) and those are def gonna be slower than pachy (other than maia, but maia has other weaknesses).

[hasty coyote]

you're forgetting troodon (though its pin is basically only each other, hypsis, and fresh spawns), deino's lunge functions practically the same as a pin, and then allo and rex are also likely getting pins (cant wait for that chaos)

[viscid mica]

I cannot believe 1 hit fracture I’ve never seen a cera get fractured in less than 5 or more from pachy swarms slamming them and teno well I wouldn’t know I don’t fight tenos enough to notice head fractures

[viscid mica]

Fair deinos math is fair thou and and I’d hope allo and Rex would lean more towards Dino’s math than anything else

[viscid mica]

And troodon are imo a none issue

[slim dragon]

What
Only cera has fracture resist

[viscid mica]

Literally every herbi except like 2 have frac res

[hasty coyote]

Welcome to pachy hit reg

[viscid mica]

Trueeeeee

[hasty coyote]

That’s not fracture resist, that’s mostly just them having higher hp on their limbs due to being bigger.

[viscid mica]

Maybe

Maybe it’s just hit reg doing hit reg things so it feels like res

[hasty coyote]

That def also doesn’t help. You have to land 2 hits in the same spot for it to break, so it could take 3 hits to fracture on a good day, throw in another 2-3 not working and it can easily take 6 hits just for a body fracture lol. And then good luck getting another fracture.

[viscid mica]

Adding that leg hitboxes for pachy aren’t real

[hasty coyote]

Yeah especially on cera, I have hit a not moving cera 7 times in the leg before it finally gave me a leg fracture lol

[viscid mica]

I mean remember what we had to do to get dilos leg

Literally head inside the leg and even that it would sometimes reg body just cuz

[hasty coyote]

It’s worse on cera

[viscid mica]

Oh I know

[dusky surge]

technically not even cera has it from what ive heard

[worn sentinel]

Why does dryo having some sort of venom just sound good

But also bad at the same time

[hasty coyote]

good because its cool and unique
bad because venom does nothing for it lol

[worn sentinel]

Idk it would be funny to see a dryo give venom to a baby cera, hopefully it has unique venom like maybe makes your screen rlly dizzy so the dryo can run away or something

[vital geode]

all the things in balance feedback talking about rex is pointless

its an unreleased 6 month old model

idk why people expect it to be balanced

[slim dragon]

You know rex is almost finished and the next playable in line for release, right ?

[vital geode]

yes of course, but the rex people are complaining about is a 6 month old model.

they shouldn't be complaining considering rex was nowhere near completion then

[slim dragon]

It's not, rex had a model for years

[slim dragon]

And it IS near completion

[vital geode]

💀 the mechanics and everything of the rex from the files is from 6 months ago...

[vital geode]

6 months ago was not near completion

[slim dragon]

Oh ok I get what you mean
But not all rex feedback is taking those at face value, some things are still worth mentioning

[vital geode]

yeah true

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message Flow, maia’s whole thing is that it’s speedy lol

[vale brook]

yeah flow! tell flow!

[slim dragon]

The S makes all the difference

But on that topic it's almost like speed isn't determined solely by something's number of legs or weight

Otherwise spiders would run faster than the speed of sound

[worn sentinel]

Centipedes moving at the speed of light would be pretty cool

[runic hedge]

I think their problem specifically was the fact that maia is stronger, but if tactile endurance didn't exist/was heavily nerfed then it wouldn't be a problem imo. Considering the fact that maia is still less agile and it's attacks are pretty hard to land against moving targets and cost stamina

[strong crypt]

maya is really strong tbh RN its just really hard to play with alot of mechanics envolved

[viscid mica]

Maia will always be strong unless they nuke it. But your absolutely right it’s a very mechanically demanding creature

I’d say only skilled players by default will find much success with Maia in fights the rest can maybe be obnoxious but not a real threat

[cloud sandal]

i feel also that the under water sight close to nothing. all i see is nothing even with that underwatersight mutation i cant even see whats infront of my deino... this happends in some rivers and big lakes its fine you cant see everything but alot of blackness meanwhile elite fish are there maybe. ( in the future since they barely spawn)

[cloud sandal]

Idk if it has been said but Petra stamina has been so bad. IF it stays like this low stamina then let petra have more stamina gain. or keep the stamina gain the same but let us gain while gliding. but now we fly for 2 min and rest for 10... and that with the state of ai at this moment means we just die of hunger or something kills us becuase we have no stam with the old flying it was alot better since we could decide how to use our stamina now its just really straight to the point with flyign

[vale brook]

#balance-feedback message

... we want deino 1 shotting most of the roster at 50%?

yknow im glad the fish are gone

i really am

because that is wild

[viscid mica]

Deino doesn’t even hit 4tons until like 70% ish?

It gains more than half its weight in about a hour and half of its grow

[vale brook]

yes

so why would we give it a growth curve similar to trike where it packs on the weight when it has one of the most oppressive kits in game

hmm yes, i too enjoyed 30 minute old deinos being able to grab omnis off the shore!

back before its current growth curve

[viscid mica]

Trike gains less than 800kg per hour

[vale brook]

and then shorten that down to 6 hours

[viscid mica]

It made at 9.5 I think it’s fine

[vale brook]

... no duh trike is fine

[viscid mica]

Trikes is gradual while deino is linear with a explosive end

[vale brook]

deino grows far faster than trike does. giving it a similar growth curve would just send it flying through its weight and remaking the issue we had on spiro lol

[vale brook]

im really confused as to what youre trying to say because it sounds like youre saying the exact same thing as me lol

deino with trike growth curve would be bad

trike with trike growth curve is fine

[viscid mica]

Deino has 1/3rd the capacity trike does thou

[vale brook]

it can be completely invisible and has only 11ish animals immune from it in a roster of 60

no

[viscid mica]

Its location locked, cannot punch in its weight class easily and is only really good as bullying mid tiers and below

[vale brook]

bullying?

[viscid mica]

Insta killing bullying same deal

[vale brook]

nono, deino just touches them and they die. thats not bullying, thats powerful

[viscid mica]

You can wait out it’s 4 min breath timer if your concerned about the water

[vale brook]

10 minute

[viscid mica]

It’s easily countered

[viscid mica]

It’s not

[vale brook]

i am not about to argue with you about this, it is objectively 10 minutes

it used to be 5, got doubled in update 4

[viscid mica]

Ok beyond that

Still would give you more than enough time to wait it out if you really wanna check

Tons of safe water spots

Deino objectively is far more limited in what it can do compared to other apex’s

[vale brook]

so remove the water spots

the answer is not making deino baby mode again like it was on spiro

it was changed from having a similar growth rate as trike BECAUSE it sucked

[viscid mica]

Deinos fine

Fish spawns are the problem

And every other apex is on a whole other level comparably

[viscid mica]

No lol?

[vale brook]

literally yes

[viscid mica]

It’s objectively just not a brawling apex

[vale brook]

deino had a far different growth curve pre 6.5

[viscid mica]

It did not

I grew more than 7 deinos upon its release

[vale brook]

you didnt even know deinos breath timer, i really dont care what you say lol

[viscid mica]

Ya no diet so it was abit longer

But that’s it

[viscid mica]

Uh huh

[vale brook]

brother what do you want me to say

[viscid mica]

Deino doesn’t need a longer grow

It’s fine where it is for what it is

[vale brook]

a) no one asked for a longer grow

b) i never said it NEEDED a longer grow

what are you even talking about dawg

[viscid mica]

Reviewing our previous messages it seems you assumed I thought the other where I assumed you thought the other cuz I didn’t understand what you were meaning

We both are on the same beat just the start was misunderstood

In conclusion we are both idiots

[viscid mica]

Collectively clueless we’ll go with that

[vale brook]

i dont know about collective

[viscid mica]

Deino can beat spoon in deep water none shall change my mind about that

[viscid mica]

After further review I am the progenitor of the confusion my apologies

I had misread your first reply and failed to understand your intent

[keen plover]

Pretty sure they're saying trike should be like deino. Not the other way around. Either way I disagree with the suggestion

[proven geode]

Honestly what Sora mentioned about PT nerfs, I can't take it anymore. I come back to this game after a while of not playing and PT (the only dino i play) is completely nerfed.
The pecking is worse, the flying is worse because you don't keep your momentum from diving or pressing shift, the stamina consumption when holding W being less depending on the vertical angle has been fixed so while PT was sometimes annoying to play, now it's just miserable. there is no hidden mechanic on how to preserve stamina on PT anymore, the devs fixed all of it so have fun laying around in bushes or trees or mountains for 10 minutes so you can fly for 2 minutes or less depending on if you need to gain altitude or not
At this point revert the Ptera changes or remove the dino completely :) (forgot to mention the take off, what was the point in changing the previous one? it was perfect, elegant, easy to use and understand, and not as buggy as the current one is...)

[vale brook]

"the pecking is worse" they havent touched it 😭

unless you mean the alt attack? which is... faster?

and you could also use that said 'mountain' to gain altitude for free without any stam cost if you memorize the thermal locations lol

[proven geode]

nvm i tested the pecking. the pecking is fine you're right

i'm not memorizing no thermal locations, that should not be required to be able to play the PT that should be there to help you, not force you to use it.

[vale brook]

except its not forced

if you get up to a mountain, you're inherently rewarded with incredibly altitude without the need for a stamina cost on take off

the thermal is just a plus

pteranodon barely has any sort of challenge in its life, i dont see the problem with a movement based creature having movement based skill checks

[proven geode]

whats the point in that altitude if you need to go back down to eat and drink

[vale brook]

then why get up there in the first place

[proven geode]

because you legit need to gain altitude to go over certain places? like wdym

[vale brook]

so use the thermal

unless you want to spend the stamina going up that way or figure out a less intensive path

i will not feel bad that pteranodon players have to think a little about what they do instead of mindlessly flying and living the high life

[proven geode]

idk what your prejudice against pteranodon players is all about. oh no people playing a dino and having fun flying around not disturbing anyone and just eating AI? nope. can't be having that

I don't want to be limited by thermal locations

[vale brook]

no one said literally anything like that

and no one said youre limited to thermal locations

god forbid you have to take into account your advantages and disadvantages for literally the ONLY challenge you have

[proven geode]

how many hours do you have on PT

[vale brook]

over 200

not that it matters anyway?

[proven geode]

you have that many hours on PT and don't see the issue with the rework? yeah okay LOL

[vale brook]

i dont care how many hours someone has lol. pteranodon having to use its noggin a little instead of being a brainless playable like it was before (that people still somehow struggles with) is a good thing

[proven geode]

I'm not going around the map dying over and over again due to my stamina, just so i can figure out where all the thermal spots are

[vale brook]

most people who genuinely liked pteranodon before and didnt see issue with its stam regen/management usually feel a bit more positively towards the rework than those that pitched fits 24/7 asking for the 4 minute stam regen to be faster lol

[vale brook]

if you dont want to put in the work to become skillfil with an animal, thats your problem lol

i played pteranodon for close to 5 hours yesterday, managed to nest in 3 nestful's of kids, and not a single time did anything you mentioned pop into my head

except for the acceleration/conservation of momentum

that change was cringe

[proven geode]

remembering a thermal location is not skill, it's knowledge.
why would i have to remember every single thermal location on the map to be able to play a dinosaur that is supposed to be chill

[vale brook]

who said its supposed to be chill?

because i specifically remember kissen mentioning in the past that pteranodons are being far too passive for what they intended

[proven geode]

yeah? because the dino does no damage and easily dies?

[vale brook]

no damage? it takes 11 head shots to kill a 50% cera

and youre immortal in the air if you fly correctly

for an animal thats 45kg thats kind of insane lol

[proven geode]

so 22 headshots on a full hp cera, not taking in account your stamina

[vale brook]

its a cera

also still relatively easy to maintain altitude while fighting

[proven geode]

lemme see you kill a dino as PT that wasn't already decently low, if you can talk all this then go on official and do it. i'll be waiting for the clip, good luck and good night 💤

no pre rework clips ofc

[vale brook]

i play on boosteroid which does not offer clipping lol, but there are multiple videos online of pteranodon doing this lol

[rigid tulip]

Pt right now is by far the most unplayable dino ever in evrima history and its not close

1/10th the ability and fun of its past self. No dino has ever been nerfed harder. Which is funny considering it was never even considered to be overpowered by the community widespread

[slim dragon]

Yet it used to be actually overpowered, just not acknowledged as such

[light steeple]

how often on average does the game get updated?

every 3 months?

[slim dragon]

There is no average

We may get several updates in one month, or no update at all for 6 months

[thorn mountain]

depends like bubulblu said

we got trike after 6 months so

all depends on bugs and such

[viscid mica]

We on month 4 so it’s getting close

[slim dragon]

Um
Trike's release was last month, idk how you get your timeframes

[viscid mica]

Na but it was released to hottest 3 months before that Kek

[slim dragon]

I count updates when talking about updates

[viscid mica]

Fair

[slim dragon]

And no matter if we count hordetest updates or not, we got an update last month

[viscid mica]

Indeed

[rigid tulip]

I guarantee you there was less deaths from ptera than their was from even juvi carno or from gallis

[slim dragon]

I'm talking about before galli was added
Back when pteras could kill anything but deinos, because deinos could hide underwater

[still bramble]

guys are osteophagic and cannibilism not in the game? I ate like 3 same species and 7-8 bones

wait i was overeating them maybe thats the problem

[slim dragon]

Cannibalism is like broccoli
If you force yourself to eat it, you'll never appreciate it
You must take your time and learn to savor it

[cosmic pelican]

Okay I tested this, stage 3 still does 100dmg total, as you can see here it got the dilo to 85.71% hp, which, if you do the math, is exactly 100dmg.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1396575019471212634/20DCA41.MP4?ex=687e9557&is=687d43d7&hm=512bb326e00451902dfc935ce2020ccc2c7fc6bc52a04d9fc08f87bfae676e37&

(Yes I got around to doing it a whopping 10 days later, I didnt have the time 🥀 )

[torn egret]

Did you test at night as well?

I can test it later

[cosmic pelican]

No, the admin server we were on doesnt allow switching the time of day, and we dont wanna risk a ban.
But unless your test was originally during the night I dont see a point in doing so. Such a mechanic rework wouldve surely been mentioned in the patch notes.

[viscid mica]

I mean I coulda told you this but I wouldn’t have evidence Kek

[cosmic pelican]

I knew it did 100dmg

But Calc said otherwise, so I thought I might as well

[torn egret]

We were able to get over 110 dmg on a pounce

[cosmic pelican]

Do you have a clip of that perhaps? Because if so, that should be bug reported, as it didnt happen under normal circumstances.

We tested on multiple playables, and it was always 100dmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1396572222633545851/52A9641.MP4?ex=687e92bc&is=687d413c&hm=c8407f967492f6272b56fb9c7f400d2bb0851bf565629cd5b712561043e0712c&

100 damage here as well

[cursive falcon]

still a great suggestion

just needs group limit 3

[crystal stream]

Honestly as much as I agree I just know ppl are going to disagree I would love to have this Carno tho but a lot of the people in this channel don’t like that typa carno

[crystal stream]

Nvm I’m dumb asf

[carmine tundra]

honestly i dont think old carno is any better than the new carno we have

old carno had really bad turning, bad charging stam and it could get bled out from 1 omni pounce

not to mention you could also still get your ass handed to you by a teno

this carno? sure its 1300 kgs but its so much more agile, good at hunting omnis and small game in general, and when you know what your doing in a pack of 3 you can kill a FG tenoto

the only thing 1800 kg carno was better at than our current carno is the cera vs carno matchups

[crystal stream]

Old carno did kinda suck for a lot of reasons but I still jst can’t stand this current Carno it just doesn’t feel very fun to play or fight against

Plus old carno did have cc witch is already way better in my book 😂

[crystal stream]

My only thing with this is I would much rather have a different charge mechanic one more like dibble headbutt or Mia body slam that does cc it would so much more fluid and more interested and fun to play and play against rather that this current one where he jst does zig zags

[cursive falcon]

my main reason is its strange for something clearly bigger to be down sized due to it being a runner from what i have seen

only reason i like it is the double charge and theres a recharge, weight and damage

so charge is not spammable

[crystal stream]

Ikr a 2 ton animal getting clowned on this hard is diabolical

[cursive falcon]

i mean tbf @crystal stream its irl range was 1.3 to 2.2 metric tons so the game is right just hate how they use the smallest one

[carmine tundra]

carno needs superior standard stats because its so weird that carno has the same weight and biteforce as cera

[crystal stream]

Ig but the used the smallest weight estimate while also having 3 ton dibble in the roster and having teno and cera both be heavier than it 😂

[cursive falcon]

dibble needs a weight nerf tbf

[dusky surge]

so does current carno??

[cursive falcon]

2.7 would match its speed

[dusky surge]

like current carno has CC

[carmine tundra]

its 3tons so that allo wont be able to just pounce and kill it easy

[crystal stream]

Yeah but it’s basically useless because you have to run 50 football fields to make it even viable

[carmine tundra]

diablo is 3 tons so that allo and diablo will be bascially a raptor vs pachy matchup

[crystal stream]

Just for u to be doged anyway

[dusky surge]

dibble is fine. its meant to be that big for allo, and given rex can move at 35km/hr, and that animal is 9.35 tons, I think the argument of "weight matching speed" doesn't really count

[dusky surge]

they added that feature back when carno was 1.8 tons though

[cursive falcon]

i mean why would dibbles fight rexs its a death wish

[dusky surge]

thats not what im saying

[crystal stream]

Yeah and it was fine because Carno was 1.8

[crystal stream]

It’s not anymore

Mb for the @

[dusky surge]

im saying if an adult rex at 9.35 tons can move at 35km/hr, why is it wrong that an adult dibble at 3 tons can move 36km/hr

[carmine tundra]

if carno goes back to 1800 that means they will need to lower its stamina again and thats not good considering how big gateway is and how long it takes to traverse it

[crystal stream]

I still think it’s better than current Carno hit and turn hit and turn play style

[cursive falcon]

Mr Rex, the difference is stamina like irl they made it so Rex is not running for that long, and if anything are short bust of speed

[crystal stream]

Plus it goes straight through you at least old carno had good cc

I still think it needs my headbutt idea tho

[cursive falcon]

its an animal built for long distance speed

[cursive falcon]

they need to change alt bite or make a new alt bite with alt rightclick for a headbutt

[dusky surge]

theyd have to go back to making it worse at hunting small game to compensate for the fact that it can hunt things like teno and cera (which is how we got here in the first place)

1.8 ton carno was CONSTANTLY nerfed because it just minced cera. Before it was reworked, it was pretty garbage, with one good matchup, that being it was great at murdering ceras despite EVERY nerf done to it

Hell, if carno was always 1.3 tons, cera likely never would have gotten as OP as it is today, and carno would never have been such a controversially balanced animal

[dusky surge]

i love that playstyle for it tbh, the "hit and run" works perfectly for an animal that can both hit and run very well lol

[crystal stream]

well then that’s or opinion and I’m not changing that, but it is very buggy and un fun to play and play against

Not to mention to watch

Good god it looks so bad

[dusky surge]

i mean, i find old carno far less fun

you get rammed and you die thats it

its not really a fight as much as a "can you dodge the first charge" then the carno is already exhausted and you can just leave, or if you dont, you die

[crystal stream]

So getting clipped in the tail over and over again until you die is more fun?

[dusky surge]

if you let it do that to you, that's on you

[crystal stream]

It’s not that much of a fat dinosaur

The thing has some endurance

[crystal stream]

Buddy with that broken hitbox it’s not that much of a surprise when it does

Plus it looks very bad

Having a 1.3 animal faze right through you while charging at you is so stupid

[carmine tundra]

they just want their favorite dino to be badass when it comes to hunting and i dont blame them

[crystal stream]

I don’t even like Carno as much but making it this much of a loser is sad

[carmine tundra]

also i dont recommend wasting your time telling the devs to make carno 1.8 tons again, theyve already doubled down on 1300 kgs because last update they made its growth match its weight

[crystal stream]

I’ll do whatever I want

[carmine tundra]

im just saying, i feel like there are better things to do

[crystal stream]

It’s not like going on a discord server typing what I want to happen is that hard

[carmine tundra]

honestly the only tweaks i think carno needs is being either 1500 or 1600 kgs with its gobbler ability and they dont need to touch carno at all for the remainder of development

[crystal stream]

They will probably never look at it or care but it’s worth trying

[crystal stream]

1500 would be nice they jst need better cc back

[carmine tundra]

what is cc

[crystal stream]

Crowd control knock down and stun

I want a headbutt like dibb and Mia

[dusky surge]

pretty sure it's getting one

[crystal stream]

So it can have some sort of precision

[crystal stream]

I heard about that

[carmine tundra]

its biteforce should be lowered, but its alt bite should be higher damage than ceras alt bite on knocked down prey

[crystal stream]

I hope so

[crystal stream]

Yeah that would be cool but they gotta make cc better if they do that

As much as yall don’t think so esp against teno

I like to imagine teno v Carno like pachy v Omni but a lil more in pachys favor lol

[carmine tundra]

pachy doesnt need its ridiclous stun it gets when it hits something but it definitely should keep its stun for missing something, since the ability to break bones should bring heavy consquences to open hits if you miss it

[crystal stream]

Yeah pachy kinda sucks a lil ngl I never rlly played pachy before hand but after playing it it’s definitely lacking it

[viscid mica]

Maybe if it’s hit registration wasn’t awful

As it stands you could hit and the game will just tell you to go f yourself

Takes on average 3 hits for one to reg unless your really lucky

[thorn mountain]

@vast ermine I mean it makes it so ceras seek out rotten food

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

nerf cera yes but why go after the defense rather than the offense, when the offense is the issue

it just pushes cera further to hunt more and defend less

[vale brook]

#balance-feedback message

there is a disconnect here

[torn egret]

lemme get back to you on that

[lilac leaf]

I don't understand all the people asking the buff ptera, I admit to having not played it yet this patch but I have seen significantly more murder packs of ptera than I did before, My 60% grown carno buddy got killed by one tenacious pteranodon which is how we discovered Carno has basically no counter to it now that pteranodons agility is significantly improved ( because Carnos bite angles downwards ).. never used to see this on the old pteranodon lol

[cyan spruce]

I personally don't like its stam at times as if I sprint fly the stam drains super fast like deino running on land tbh in my opinion

[warm flax]

tbh most ptera players were asking for quality-of-life changes before they completely reworked it

like better night vision, not sitting there for half of the playtime....etc

[rigid tulip]

There’s no point in ever touching the sprint button on ptera. Its completely throwing to press shift at any moment

[torn egret]

Not always, alot of people also fly using mouse and w, which will use stamina almost anytime you gain a smidge of altitude.
Keeping stam above 60 also helps w regen if you latch etc

[jaunty cipher]

i heard carno got buffed what was buffed on it and did cera get buffed

[warm flax]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438/1396600689538498610

[thorn mountain]

@lavish trench this is the issue. Carnivores are not 'weak' well sure they are in a sense apart from cera which is needed of nerfs. All of the herbivores like dibble, maia, stego and trike are not OP they just lack predators like allo, alberto, rex, giga etc. The other issue is you cant make herbivores weka overwise no one will play them, just make them play more defensive or just keep the animal like how its meant to be played (most of them rn are doing that)

[dusky surge]

cerato is strong in spite of competition, which is why I don't think adding allo or rex will fix anything

large herbivores are strong due to a lack of competition, which can absolutely be fixed by adding in said predators (each large herbivore has a glaring weakness, like dibble's low damage and turn rate, trike's abysmal speed and agility, stego's terrible stamina efficiency, etc)

[crimson crater]

let’s compare carnivores to their herbivore counterparts.
omni and herrera > pachy and galli
troodon> dryo
cera>teno
there’s also dilo.
most carnivores can kill herbivores with the exception of things significantly bigger but even then just coordinate in groups, what do we expect when our biggest terrestrial carni is merely 1.3T

[dusky surge]

id say galli is pretty good, i wouldnt be so bold as to put it that low. Honestly it's pretty on-par with its carnivore counterparts

high speed, insane stamina, pretty decent health for a small tier, can stun raptors now

[crimson crater]

it’s decent yea but i’d still say that its slightly worse, (not talking about the ability to survive)

[dusky surge]

and yea, the issue is pretty evidently not a matter of "herbis OP" but rather "herbis big"

adding rex will change a LOT (for better and for worse)

[obtuse ocean]

And dont forget when trike attack, you can go make a cup of coffee then drink it, then its attack animation is done. And you can now attack it

[thorn mountain]

I think that might be the point. Powerful as hell but you have to time your attacks

[dusky surge]

well of course, its not like trike is gonna be quick lol

[obtuse ocean]

Well powerfull i dont know, unless they changed something. Cant you facetank that thing even as cera and still get away ?

[thorn mountain]

they buffed it like a month ago

it does alot of damage

[obtuse ocean]

I think they would need to change those sluggish attacks later, when people start understand the range and time. Gonna be very easy to abuse

[thorn mountain]

if its a good trike nah

and you should be good if you are playing trike

imo new players shouldnt be able to grow something like trike, rex or deino

or even stego

[obtuse ocean]

Yea true, but good is one thing as trike. But if your animation gives the opponent a free hit, not much you can do.

[obtuse ocean]

Yea, but looks like its very easy to grow. I have not grown one, but i do see like 3 trikes running around sometimes growing

[thorn mountain]

yeah they are quite easy

im guessing once larger stuff are in it will be harder

but I would also prefer it being under 2T for like 40-50% of its life

so you are just fodder for everything

[obtuse ocean]

They should be hard to grow, but so far the little things ive seen from trike and rex they look very easy

Even saw a stream, 3 rexes and they where mostly just chilling and chatting.

[thorn mountain]

I doubt rex is going to be like that on release

actually im fine with juvie rexes growing in groups of like 3-5 but when they hit sub they have to split up due to food or kill eachother

[obtuse ocean]

Yea agree, and i hope if you are two fully grown rexes you will need to go for something thats not always free food.

[thorn mountain]

for 2 full adult rexes they will need to hunt chunky things

hello bird I saw you chatting there

[obtuse ocean]

Yepp agree, but i gotta say that the food values we get now in game is alot. I think you get to much food for smaller stuff, we where 3 carnos killing a small dibble. Filled us all up

[keen plover]

Idk about the 3 carno thing but yeah it's easy to sustain big groups

[obtuse ocean]

I mean we wherent starving but was under half i guess. think that should been more of a snack then a fiesta

Just to get some more survival aspect of the game, and encourage more of lets take on something bigger with a challenge

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

1. Carnivores really should not be sustaining themselves that consistently on AI
2. Big herbivores SHOULD struggle with diets because otherwise they're WAY too easy (something something grazing but that's a different issue entirely)
3. Honestly NV needs touchups idk what else to say about NV lol
4. Deino having access to ALL water just makes the map a homogenous hodgepodge of deep waters with no room for aquatic biodiversity for animals who prefer shallower waters like sucho, cherry, minmi or so on
5. Picking spawns only leads to further hotspotting (and we have spawn codes)

[ivory abyss]

Change it so dilos can onlyy send clones for each bite they land. so theyy start with 0 clones when they get their prey to 3rd tier venom and only give them a clone when they land a bite. this would prevent spamming bites and tanking hits and then proceeding to spam 30 clones before haviing to only bite them one more time to repeat the process. would also make dilo more challenging and require more skill and thought out attacks

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

my god, herbi OP post in the year of our lord 2025

also i wonder if he's heard of cera

or herrera

or deino

or dilo

hell, troodon is in a real good spot, and omni is a MENACE in packs

[lethal current]

Cera die to any herbie, if herbie cant kill Cera he can easy run, "Herera and dilo" write more something same clown like it

[cosmic pelican]

[lethal current]

Even Herbie like Teno that can easy run still kill Cera

[dusky surge]

if cera couldnt die to herbis that'd be concerning lol

also "any herbi" is a stretch given we have pachy, dryo and hypsi, who cera utterly clowns on

[lethal current]

It is right that predators must demand more skill from players than herbie dinos, it is okay that herbie can fight vs predators and kill them. But now situation where it is not equal or semi equal fight, now situation where predators just totaly weaker

[dusky surge]

imma be real, maia is more skill dependent than any carnivore (but maia is also more skilled than any herbivore so )

[lethal current]

And just joke that dinos that stronger have biggest speed than Cero, so if u even do all perfect and can kill good Teno she can in any time just run from u, it is not okay

So u just push me take Herbies for hunting on herbies u thionk it is normal balance?

[slim dragon]

Teno is only stronger than cera if a cera tries to hunt it

[dusky surge]

you can do that, i dont really care if you do

[lethal current]

Wat?

[dusky surge]

cera isnt meant to be a hunter idk if you know this

[lethal current]

Wat?

[dusky surge]

(it IS very good at it but that's a different story)

[lethal current]

Who mean to be hunter in this game than?

[cosmic pelican]

If the teno attacks more than 10 times in the entire fight, it wont be able to

[dusky surge]

cera is designed as a slow, defensive scavenger that protects bodies

[dusky surge]

pretty much carnivore but cera (and ptera)

[slim dragon]

A cera fulfilling its role as a scavenger and using its kit properly has more health than teno, more damage as well as bleed and knockdown resistance

[lethal current]

Just go at least 1 time on sandbox server and try duell vs Teno like Cera for u have at least small understanding about what u write

[lethal current]

Just go at least 1 time on sandbox server and try duell vs Teno like Cera for u have at least small understanding about what u write

[cosmic pelican]

I have 2.8k hours in the game, been playing for 4 years. You have 100, idk but I feel like I got more experience lol

[lethal current]

But Cera cant hunt no one

[dusky surge]

thats the idea

[cosmic pelican]

Teno vs cera is as 50/50 as it can be, both can run away from each other if they want

[lethal current]

Idea that in this game no carni and people must play on herbi like on carni?

[lethal current]

Man please do what i say, u nothing understand in this game, go and try some duels on sandbox for not be so fullish boy

[cosmic pelican]

Also rex is literally the next playable to be released, if you dont like the current ecosystem, just play rex when it comes out

[lethal current]

Cera has zero chanches vs normal Teno. Zero

[cosmic pelican]

Heck, you can even play it right now if you really wanted to

[lethal current]

Dont want play on bugged Rex

[cosmic pelican]

I tried lol

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah fair enough

[lethal current]

If u tried u not write this, or u tried it with very bad Teno

I write not about me, no one from whole sandbox server cant kill Teno like Cera

No one

[cosmic pelican]

"You have a different opinion than I do, therefore you arent telling the thruth" 😭

[slim dragon]

I don't want to say it but I'm thinking it very loud

[lethal current]

It is no opinion, here exist just facts. And i write facts if u win ur school friend it is not change that fact, that good Teno not give any chance to Ceras

[dusky surge]

so my facts are that if you lose to teno as cera you are very bad cera

[lethal current]

It is not "I" loose it loose all Ceras on the sandbox

[dusky surge]

then according to my facts, you're bad at cera

see how that doesn't work

its an opinion

[faint robin]

There are vids of solo cera killing 3 tenos and a dibble pre-buff
Keep yapping

[keen plover]

Teno has the edge but only just

[lethal current]

So 100% Ceras in this game bad okay honey, cry more

[dusky surge]

100% of ceras dont lose to tenos lol

[keen plover]

Anyways what are you even expecting the current carnis to do lol

[lethal current]

Any Cera loose to good Teno

[dusky surge]

i dont lose to tenos as ceras so i guess im just built different

im the worlds greatest cera

[lethal current]

And u grazing boy with zero pvp skill just trying argue

About things where u have zero understanding

[dusky surge]

i play carnis more than herbis idk man

[lethal current]

Omni Dilo and Croc it is not carns baby

[dusky surge]

what exactly is a carnivore then

also i dont really play any of those three that much

[slim dragon]

I love it when people run out of arguments so they just make up things about the person they're talking to in the hopes that's gonna make them more credible

[dusky surge]

i genuinely dont know how those three, who are carnivores, dont count as carnivores

[lethal current]

Omni just random yolo dino just for fun, Dilo can just kill someone who on already low HP or other carns, never atack nothing serious, Croc it is just chill one shot gampelay, nothing common with skill

[faint robin]

Crazy yapper alert

[dusky surge]

so what is a real canivore

because cera is just hold charge bite and win baby mode

carno is just hold charge and run into things

[faint robin]

Ceratosaurus is a real carnivore in his brain

[dusky surge]

herrera is just fall on things and watch them die

[lethal current]

Carno and Ceras, skill depending carnivores

[dusky surge]

ptera is just fly around and eat fish

i guess the only real carnivore is troodon

cera is the easiest dinosaur in this entire game lmao what are you talking about

[lethal current]

xd

[slim dragon]

Cera skill depending carnivore LOL

[lethal current]

Funy jumping omni player saying something about easy gameplay

Ceras most difficult and most dependence from skill, u can die just for 1 mistake

[dusky surge]

omni is infinitely more skill dependent and it has a PIN

omni is not hard, at all, and its still more skillful than cera

[slim dragon]

That's bait

[keen plover]

[lethal current]

Omni just random dino, deadbrain jumpings

[dusky surge]

we're in agreement that omni is easy, but cera being hard? come on

[lethal current]

Deadbrain jumpings and die from a randomly atack or not die if get luck

[faint robin]

Is this yappasaurus really saying cera is skillfull?

[cosmic pelican]

Are you EU based perchance? If so, maybe you could show me how weak cera truly is

[dusky surge]

saying that cera is more skillful than raptor

which i mean, he's right about raptor being easy, but its the cera part that gets me

[lethal current]

Enjoy grazing boy and wait when i will go to u on herbie and kill for other herbie thats what u do with ur own hands when approve this carnivore condition in game

[keen plover]

This is too funny. Someone actually thinks Cerato is skilful

[lethal current]

He is really think that when spam jump on raptor he is skilled player

Bye 80 iq guys

[cosmic pelican]

Didnt even answer my question 💔

[faint robin]

Drooling feral hog leaving the chat how sad

[lethal current]

Most skillful dino in this game, i understand very difficult accept reality bcs in ur fantasy u so skilled Trike player and kill all not bcs play on brocken dino but reality a little bit other

[keen plover]

You are funny.

[faint robin]

This yappatherium says cera is skillful

[cosmic pelican]

Vanilla please, show me

[slim dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lethal current]

Ye nooby guy u so mad at cera bcs they killed u, but u never try be in Ceras body and understand how it is play on dino that will die after 1 mistake

[dusky surge]

i wonder

does skillful to you translate to "what dinosaur i play the most" because i have a sneaking suspicion

[faint robin]

Cera body stinks too much for me to try it

[lethal current]

I played the most on diablo

[dusky surge]

i mean... omni, dilo and troodon die way faster. Cera is lucky to have tons of defence

[lethal current]

Diablo in 1000 times strongest than Cera

[cosmic pelican]

Are you from eu? Perhaps you could show me in game

[lethal current]

I can kill 4 ceras on him

[keen plover]

lol

[lethal current]

Just decide try play carn

and now i сompassion for all Carno Ceras players

[dusky surge]

i have played every carn

cera was the easiest

maybe you should try it

[lethal current]

U played on zero carn, killing deers it is not play on carn

[cosmic pelican]

But I want you to show me, since youre such a good player

🥺

[lethal current]

And now u just trying throw with clown words bcs get flamed ass from reality

[dusky surge]

i wonder what qualifies a clown word

[cosmic pelican]

You said "go test it on sandbox server" Im asking you to come test.
Either say yes or decline my request

[lethal current]

Is that world where devs listhen so nooby like u

And do herbies overpowered and carns totaly nerfed

[dusky surge]

i have 2000 hours

you have 100

[lethal current]

No one interst how many hours u have

[dusky surge]

i mean, it literally proves the antithesis of "noob"

[cosmic pelican]

Please answer

[lethal current]

No

[dusky surge]

noob means new to the game

i am provably not that

[lethal current]

People has 10k Hours in LOL or Dota and still be noobs

Someone has 400 hours and play in 10 times better

[keen plover]

Which carnivores are nerfed bud

[faint robin]

https://tenor.com/view/borgorglis-drooling-feral-hog-im-feral-hog-feral-hog-im-f-gif-5667689933191658898

[keen plover]

What else can you expect out of cerato 💔

[lethal current]

@keen plover Here just 2 carni. Cera and Carno and they cant do nothing to any herbie

I repeate one more in first i diablo player

Play on him better than on Cerato and kill beat 99% of any diablos

Or Trikes

Just last week tried play Ceras and devs just pathethick that listhen so people like u that cant agre with reality and do game better

U just crying girls that playing on overpowered dinos and do all for carns stay in this condition like now totaly useless and weak

[golden coral]

So there's no herbi they can't successfully hunt, fight, kill, and so on?

[keen plover]

Of course they're going to lose to the large herbivores. They're tiny

[dusky surge]

i dont even play big herbis i play troodon

unless troodon is op now

[lethal current]

@golden coral Yes

[keen plover]

Also why are you ignoring pachy, dryo, hypsi and the omnivores. Cerato and carno can hunt them

[lethal current]

Ceratos or Carno players must play in 1000 times better than herbies and still will die in most cases

On diablo i can just drop down Cera than do bottom atack in her head and all, she stay on 15 hp and after this she must do right move or i will do one more atack and kill her

It is just joke

[lethal current]

Pachy faster and just run, "dryo hypsi" good joke, "omni" it is not herbie

[golden coral]

Maybe you're not meant to 1v1 a diablo as a cera, but you might be able to take one down in a pack

[cosmic pelican]

Omnivores, not omniraptor lol