balance-feedback-discussion

[dusky surge]

Like it actually shocks me someone thinks pachy is good, or even SEES enough pachies to have any opinion on them because they're so damn rare

No one plays them because there are infinitely better options for herbivores or for creatures in that size tier

[viscid mica]

I play em tons but I die equally as fast

[dusky surge]

In fact, in HT, galli is effectively the exact same weight as pachy (only 10kg lighter) yet it is an S-Tier animal, with incredible stats that allow it to survive any encounter and traverse/migrate with ease

[amber wharf]

i had a herd of 10+ pachies the other day (my parents nested me and tons of kids in). we were a menace but if we seperated we coulda been picked off incredibly easy. 💀

[viscid mica]

Ignoring that it’s full charge head but does only like 50-60ish damage

[dusky surge]

Oh yea pachy has insanely poor damage output

[amber wharf]

Also does pachy take reduced dmg to the head? no, right?

[viscid mica]

Yes

[dusky surge]

it does

[viscid mica]

But its head hitbox is actually small

[amber wharf]

that's why i've never noticed a change i guess xD

[viscid mica]

Ya it’s very rare they hit head over body

[dusky surge]

I miss enjoying pachy lol

[amber wharf]

same. right now each time i play it i just have to come to terms im a meal on wheels with very little i can do about it

[keen plover]

"Herbivores feel overtuned"

meanwhile dilo bs
carno charge
cerato being cerato
and omni pounce.

Imo they're all the same. Every encounter feels annoying regardless if they're herbis or carnis

pachy isn't even close to as bad as those guys but it's still pretty bad to face

[dusky surge]

like i'mma be real it feels like people excuse carnis because carnis are "meant to kill" or something

but everyone has their own little gimmick

ffs herrera and deino have "die for not knowing i was there" as their gimmick

[keen plover]

Pretty much this lmao

I'd rather face a herbi though as most of the time you can run from them at least. Meanwhile carno charge + latency 🔥

[dusky surge]

like if im thinking of animals that feel not super bull to fight I think

troodon
teno
dibble
trike
stego

thats about it

the last three are literally just "if i dont wanna deal with them i dont"

i guess i could also list hypsi but hypsi doesnt really fight and more just ragebaits you for a few minutes lol

[unreal crystal]

Got leg fracture on my fg carno (with perfect diet) from a big sub/young adult pachy just with 1 hit... this is not right

[uncut umbra]

@grim pike Mixpacking isn't against any of the official server rules

[grim pike]

in what part of my post did i say anything about mix packing? and in what part of my post did i say anything about a rule? im saying implement a system where theres some type of punishment or debuff for running around as a pack of 10 trikes killing your own species along with everything else

literally nothing can be done to them and it kills servers

[grim pike]

with grazing, there is literally nothing stopping a server from being overrun with overaggressive herbivores. add in the ability to drink salt water and theres nothing stopping them

[uncut umbra]

But neither break the rules, I get its frustrating, but its well within the rules of officials. People are going to play the game how they wish to play, You're more than welcome to check out #unofficial-isle-communities as many of the servers posted have their own rules

[grim pike]

nothing in the server rules about an herbivore eating another dino, but guess what? theres a system implemented to keep it from happening. like seriously whats your arguement here lol

[hasty coyote]

Carno has horrible fracture resistance that wasn’t changed when it was downsized afaik so that checks out. Still, fractures in a single hit against carno is fine because otherwise it completely ruins pachy, especially since leg fracture is the only fracture that guarantees escape. Body fracture still gives the carno like 30 seconds to kill you (up to like 45 on the ht with the stam buffs) which is PLENTY of time to kill a pachy, and head fracture will only save the pachy if it can make it to the forest and lose the carno.

However, I do agree that leg fracture is downright op, but pachy itself isn’t. The fact it still has trouble even with the target having leg fracture is proof enough, but I can send The List™️ if you need to see all the things wrong with pachy.

[viscid mica]

@foggy kettle limiting how many people can play one thing is not healthy for the longevity of the game

Sure short term might help in same regard could nutter servers cuz people will keep server hopping until they find one they can play on

When the roaster is closer to complete we wont have this issue thus implementing something like that now can cause issues long term

If you want that petit does it and afew other unofficials

@magic sonnet there is effects on being canni without being a canni species

@burnt dove def over tuned but not because of speed

The venom application ease and length is what’s up tunned

[burnt dove]

yah, but sum it up all together. speed, health, dmg, invisible clones, clones even after dilo dead...

[viscid mica]

Bugs don’t count

Invisible and invincible clones are a bug

I could see a arguement for clones after death but same point it is a venom

[burnt dove]

still too agile for being that big, even without venom they have more dmg than ceras and carnos

[thorn mountain]

the agility on dilo kinda sucks lmao

[cosmic pelican]

Dilo also doesnt have more dmg than cera or carno what

[viscid mica]

It’s not agile it’s just fast

It’s like a drag car all speed no turn

[cosmic pelican]

Its venom is op yes, but dilo itself kinda sucks tbh

[viscid mica]

Dilo without venom is unplayably bad in fact I’d dare to say pachy is better

[burnt dove]

it does cause it bites twice as fast, making it 150 vs 170

[cosmic pelican]

That would mean youre facetanking, which will make you get destroyed

[viscid mica]

Funny enough pachy can win face tank without dilo

You can get the head break in the starting charge and spam the hell outa alt attacks and you’ll win (so long as you land the start charge)

[cosmic pelican]

Also uh, lets not forget about ceras 345dmg charged bite

[burnt dove]

face to face is not the only situation where u trade bites

[viscid mica]

Indeed a face tank spamming left is more effective

[viscid mica]

Even without dilo doesn’t trade well fast bite or not

It turns really bad cera turns faster

And carno is actually better if it’s not sprinting

[cosmic pelican]

Even while sprinting tbh, cuz carno can actually drift to vhange direction quickly

Dilos drift is just pathetic

[viscid mica]

Dilo can drift just not very effectively

[viscid mica]

Yeaaaa

Dilo base ignoring venom is booty

[magic sonnet]

Yes, but only if you eat the body. If you are say a dibble or stego and you go around killing others of your species, then there are no penalties. Same if you are a carnivore if you do not eat the body.

[viscid mica]

Now that is uhhhh

Dunno XD annoying I guess

[amber wharf]

Wait, dryosaurus does bleed? 💀

[steep gazelle]

This would be a good change and would make clones at least 40% more fair and balanced

[viscid mica]

Would def make them feel way less crappy

[viscid mica]

XD

[amber wharf]

How does dryo do bleed but not galli?!!?!?

[viscid mica]

Galli bleed is op

[amber wharf]

They removed it tho didn't they?

[viscid mica]

Because of its speed it’s legit just a uncatchable harasser

[viscid mica]

Ye

That’s also why they nerfed its size cuz galli where just wiping out omnis

Well omnis could pin gallis shortly after release with ease

[dusky surge]

galli bleed was OP, it could be readded with different bleed stats and be fine tho

also they buffed galli's size

this HT

[viscid mica]

Any bleed on something that fast with that unholy amount of stam

[viscid mica]

Oh? To what?

[dusky surge]

490kg

[viscid mica]

Omni can’t pin?

[dusky surge]

it can

[viscid mica]

Ah that’s fine than

Gallis out dps omni by a lot of omni can’t pin so I was worried for a sec

[twilit juniper]

Galli can now stun fg raptor though 😅

[dusky surge]

^

[twilit juniper]

That’s what 490kg did mostly

Which is great- finally the consept art for galli being used (where u can see a galli standing and kicking a raptor directly in the head and it stunning)

[amber wharf]

That makes sense though. All it takes is one mess up for the galli to die. I gues not anymore tho if it can't be pinned?

Oh wait it can be pinned still so my point stands lol

[twilit juniper]

Sort of, if your a good galli, you can kick the Omni to stun it before it pins you, run away, since ur faster, wait out the stun timer, and repeat till Omni dies

[amber wharf]

I guess so but like i said. It takes one mistake and you're cooked so I think it is fair match up LOL 😂

[twilit juniper]

Ye 👍🏻

[cosmic pelican]

Talking about galli when maias stance switch bug got fixed 🥀

[twilit juniper]

But NOW 2 galli vs 2 Omni is much more possible, If not 1v1

[amber wharf]

Patiently waiting for pachy buff. 😔

[twilit juniper]

Testing must be done at some point- this change is actually bigger than any fast attack Maia got-

No more getting stancelocked to death by a cera or fresh spawn troodon 😭

[amber wharf]

💯 maia needed this desperately. Now it isn't AS defenseless as before.

[steep gazelle]

Galli always can

[steep gazelle]

Are you lying or are you serious?

[steep gazelle]

Finally

Maia is almost perfect now

[twilit juniper]

I don’t remember it stunning fg raptor as a 420kg galli 💔

[cosmic pelican]

it couldnt

[steep gazelle]

I remember

[cosmic pelican]

galli alt only stunned up to its own weight

[twilit juniper]

Why almost? It’s no longer stance locked, AND we got those insanely good cooldowns from HT

[steep gazelle]

Up to 80% of its growth it is slower than a Cerato

[twilit juniper]

Ooh that, I entierly forgot 💔

Well maybe now it can fight a fg cera as a 80% Maia, I’ve killed fg ceras before on live as a 60% Maia, but it’s extremely hard- and you get overwhelmed fast

[steep gazelle]

Well, for those who do AFK growth (like me) this isn't really a problem

[twilit juniper]

So much testing to do.. I kind of hate it, but it’s for the better

Me repeatedly fighting ceras as a 70% Maia on norden now to learn XD

[thorn mountain]

guys I know its crazy

[steep gazelle]

Well, now Maia has a much easier time fighting with her Alts fast attacks and without the stance bug

[thorn mountain]

but cera doesnt stun carno while charge biting

||weird how youtubers and people spread missinfo :)||

[twilit juniper]

Indeed- god it’s so good 😭

[twilit juniper]

Who said that 💀

All cera has is vomit lock for stuns

[thorn mountain]

alot of people lmao

[steep gazelle]

Cera never stunned anything with his charge bite

[thorn mountain]

no as in if a cera was charge biting a carno wouldnt be able to stun it

[twilit juniper]

Vomit lock counts as stun but with walking, I think that’s what those people meant, they were charging the cera head on, cera timed the charge bite release, and insta vomited the carno

Silly YouTubers-

[steep gazelle]

I'm confused, as English is not my native language. Are you saying that Carno can no longer stun Ceratos or that Cerato can no longer stun Carno with bile?

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message the attack is blunt, it does make sense

[elfin night]

@burnt dove I am sorry bro, but you’re completely clueless if you think dilos turn fast

They’re like like 20cm/s faster than raptors while having less stamina, being way noisier and having one of the worst running turns in the entire game

Just go and check a dilo canni fight and see how absolutely atrocious that is

Or if you get spotted by something like a dibble or teno there’s nothing you can do to win because of how abysmal the turn is

[amber wharf]

How long is vomit animation for maai?

If you know

[twilit juniper]

I don’t unfortunately, but it’s not the worst- and if a cera bites u again while ur in vomit lock, it will free u from the lock

[amber wharf]

oo alright good

[knotty zephyr]

Dryo needs some love because i doubt they'll give it burrowing.

[slim dragon]

It's still planned

[dusky surge]

they literally are giving it burrowing lol

[knotty zephyr]

Its taking them ages and even then every carnivore can easily catch dryos.

I'm good with the dodge mechanic and can evade some carnivores. But dryo just needs some love.

[eager saddle]

of course it's taking ages. They need to make sure it works on multiple surfaces and they need to code other stuff in the mean time

doesn't mean it's not gonna come eventually x)

[knotty zephyr]

It doesn't mean they can adjust dryo in the mean time to make it more viable though.

They legit just made it even weaker against juvie carnivores.

/

[quick pendant]

honestly some of these changes feel like a april fools joke, like ptera needed buffs, not a new take off mechanic, cera needed nerfs, not mostly buffs (although i do like the bacteria and slowdown nerfs, the charged bite increased charge speed was unnecessary and makes the charged bite a normal bite pretty much, and the bushes are comically loud, like i might go deaf by the time i go to sleep (also there is a bug im not sure how it happens but as a stego if you drink, stop drinking then try to power swing, it locks your camera all weird and doesnt let you swing) and nerfing dryo is diabolical, like how do you even come to the conclusion "yeah dryos good lets nerf it for no reason". also what happened to dibbles thrash:( its just a bite now

[elfin night]

If a dryo gets caught by any carnivore other than a lagging carno, that’s on the dryo tbh

You break omni ankles like crazy

Let alone dilo or herra

Then cera is a non issue

And troodon gets obliterated 1v1

[knotty zephyr]

Dilos can run me down, raptors can run me down. Troodons can run me down(i usually kill them).

Dryos are slower then most of the carnivore roster

[amber wharf]

he has to be rage baiting ngl. 💀 dryo is incredibly underwhelming right now. even hypsi's max speed is 39.(6?) km/s and cerato can catch that, but now they can latch to trees to save themselves.

[elfin night]

You vastly outmaneuver all of them and troo gets nuked 1v1 on top of that

Not everything is running in a straight line in the open bruh

Also jumping helps with dilo too if you can get somewhere high, if there was any problem whatsoever with it

Dryo needs burrowing

But to say you get caught by dilos is a gargantuan skill issue

[knotty zephyr]

Valiant, have you ever played dryo?

Seems like you havent

They only have 2 dodge charges that take 8 to 10 seconds to recharge. Half the time it doesnt even help due to lag.

[crude raptor]

@white dagger this has to be a joke right? Why are they nerfing something that’s not even good in the first place? 😭

[knotty zephyr]

With the new bush changes it'll be near impossible to hide and escape. Dryos are incredibly loud for no reason.

[white dagger]

because the isle

you see, we can't let dryo players have anything, let's just buff stego again!

[amber wharf]

This. The amount of times I have died to a carno charge and latency is mind boggling. Bro doesn't realize even with out maneuverability it gets chased down incredibly easily.

[crude raptor]

“Dryo players” so like 2 people? 😭😭💀

[knotty zephyr]

I mained dryo for a long time, on unofficial servers. On there even with rules existing i was targeted.

Its impossible with the aspect of lag, dryo needs a speed buff, nothing crazy, just enough to escape most carnivores.

[knotty zephyr]

if dryo was better, more people would play it. Right now theres nothing you can really do.

[untold laurel]

can carnos really not charge ceras that are holding right click anymore? please tell me im wrong

[amber wharf]

This. I'd happily play dryo if it could escape carnivores. Because it's similar to hypsi. A dinosaur that can't do much and essentially is a meal for carnivores if they can manage to catch it/catch off guard.

[knotty zephyr]

But unfortunatally dryos can be captured by everything. Even if they spot them from afar now.

[amber wharf]

yeah like i said, if it could escape i'd gladly play it 😭

[steep echo]

#balance-feedback message galli bleed removal got doubled down on

[alpine sleet]

guys is the sparring counter to grab intended or a bug? and if its intended is there a way to use the grab without getting countered?

[elfin night]

I absolutely have lol

I have the keys A and D in my keyboard and also a functional right wrist, all of which allow me to quickly pivot around and juke people all the time

Are you only trying to use the rmb dodge while running in a straight line?

Seriously, DILOS stand no chance catching a mildly competent dryo unless they catch it with a perfect ambush

[knotty zephyr]

no, I dodge and weave around them jump over them and so on.

And im not even joking when i tell you a dilo that was a good 5 stego lengths away from me caught up within 4 seconds. I managed to escape.

I was already running away.

[rain turret]

How did they Nerf dryo if I may ask

[elfin night]

Sounds like an exaggeration

[elfin night]

No bleed in alt attack

[rain turret]

Oh

[elfin night]

Honesty, I don’t like using this, but git gud

[rain turret]

Can omni still pin 490 kg galli? It can't right? And did the bigger galli got even added to main branch?

[golden coral]

Did dryo even need bleed? What exactly are you going to fight that you're not either killing outright with the fancy "new" attacks, or that will kill you instead more likely?

[golden coral]

I think it can, galli has an exception, but now large galli can stun omni with the kick (standing one only maybe, not sure there, but you can kind of fight back if you're very careful and got your timing down). Not sure if the size came with the current patch, but give it a day or two and someone will surely have tested it.

[knotty zephyr]

fend off annoying juvie ceratos

and other small juvie carnivores. The bleed was a deterent.

[golden coral]

Wouldn't the damage be plenty enough for those small critters?

[knotty zephyr]

cerato juvies are a different story...

theres so many of them..

[golden coral]

Well... they also have bleed resist, don't they? Or do ceras grow into that these days, like venom or such?

[rain turret]

It does feel too strong,in my opinion

[elfin night]

Teno is just fine

It’s just that it doesn’t have much on its level in the carnivore roster besides cera

And even then cera is far more problematic

[hidden kettle]

They have (even you would not believe that against dilos) . Also i dont get the Point of fighting juvies .. ':D still food Delivery ig..

[golden coral]

Against dilos?

[hidden kettle]

Dilo actually gets more bleeding done in a few bites than omnis ( i a few pounce). Had a single dilo on hordetest bring me down to 38% blood by 2-3 good bites without running around.. Just trotting around a corpses and Charge bite Up.. maybe that bite acts like sprinting to blood flow. Havent checked that so far. But ye dilo got massive bleed for a Clone spamming chainsaw Speed mouth ':D

[golden coral]

Oh, okay

[hidden kettle]

Ye dont know why it got good bleed as well.. its Kind of a no brainer atm sadly. Fast bites, good bleed and pure safety from a Bush spamming Clones to easy kill 2Tons in a night by hitting 1-2 bites .. pretty sad imo

[steep echo]

I'm sad to see it go but in the end, the the kick did get you killed way more than if you just used bite. Standing still for 2 seconds is a silly thing to make a dryo do, and I don't understand why it was added as a stationary move

[hidden kettle]

i could see it being used to open some nuts maybe. like pachys headbutt at least that would make it have a reason to exist 😄

[amber wharf]

@tight cove ceratos already having a field day. earlier someone said there 3 cera pack took down 3 sub adult trikes. 😭

[tight cove]

Yup, that’s exactly what I predicted once I saw the HT changes 😭

[crystal stream]

Ppl rlly think carnos stun is fine 😭😭😭

[keen plover]

did the tree have collision btw @elder steppe

[elder steppe]

No, it was the tall palm trees, I tried scraping the raptor off on three of them

[keen plover]

Ok so if trees don't have collision, they won't knock raptor off anymore. It needs to have collision

[elder steppe]

That makes sense, but what tree in planes has collision if not those. That's where i was fighting the mixpack. Couldn't really get to the forest easily

[keen plover]

Not much you can do unfortunately. Can't fight omni's in the open if bucking is useless

[elder steppe]

yeah i was even bucking a little omni before the tree debacle. It definitely tooks it's stamina, but I was bucking like 15 seconds before it finally jumped off and ran away.

the problem is that there are trees without collision or selective collision. I could run into it and get stuck, but the omni latched onto me just phased through, that's my whole issue.

[keen plover]

Oh yikes. Sorry was misunderstanding this whole time. Yeah that's bad

Do you have an image of those trees btw

[elder steppe]

no i don't, but they are just the tall palm trees all over West access. Those palm trees just didn't work

[jovial vessel]

So if Galli has more weight now, can it be pinned by 1 omni still?

[viscid mica]

@elder steppe bucking is RNG so you could buck full stam and them not drop with bad enough luck

[thorn mountain]

yes

cause galli is venerable to pin

[viscid mica]

becuase if it couldnt gallis destroy omni 9/10 times

[jovial vessel]

So omnis can pin higher weights now? tch

[viscid mica]

na just galli cuz F galli

[jovial vessel]

broooo thats so sad

[dusky surge]

specific galli weakness

[jovial vessel]

Actually tragic for gallis

[cosmic pelican]

Galli, omni, troodon and hypsi are vulnerable to pin

So it only applies to those 4

[elfin night]

@steel hatch you can still remain in the air for ages with proper altitude control

Also ptera is getting a full rework soon

[twilit juniper]

#balance-feedback message
@onyx lichen
just so you know, chargebiting doesn’t drain any stamina while standing, walking, trotting or sprinting, it’s very bugged- (Even if the Evrima patch notes said it’s there lol)

[steep gazelle]

It does drain, I tested it. But it's only 0.20% every 2s, and Cerato's stam regeneration is higher than that, so it doesn't change anything

[twilit juniper]

they fixed it then? damn- and nerfed it from 0.5 to 0.2... great

[thorn mountain]

@solemn thunder How are they useless lmao

[solemn thunder]

Wdym

Ave you ever tried to kill a cera as a solo carno?

[thorn mountain]

yes.

[solemn thunder]

Bruh

[thorn mountain]

I did that yesterday

[solemn thunder]

Try it with a skilled player

[thorn mountain]

Ik they can get outstammed and outran

[thorn mountain]

💀 I have

is it with the stability thing

[solemn thunder]

Yes

[thorn mountain]

it doesnt stun carno

[solemn thunder]

It soemtimes does it

[thorn mountain]

no.

[solemn thunder]

Or at leat did in ht

[thorn mountain]

literally we tested it last night

even on a corpse and charge biting

it doesnt get stunned. Cera still gets stunned by carno

[solemn thunder]

I know

But its really weak againt cerato

[thorn mountain]

eh if you play right you can kill ceras unless the cera is by trees

[solemn thunder]

Even out in the open ceras can out turn you easily

[thorn mountain]

just do run ins

[solemn thunder]

?

[thorn mountain]

you know hit and run.

or just like dont fight a cera if you aint confident

[solemn thunder]

No?

[solemn thunder]

They can still catch you if they want to

Theres nothing you can do

[thorn mountain]

its more about cera than carno though

look at it this way. Nerf ceras stam and maybe a bit of its trot therefor it cannot walk down other creatures

also make it so you cant get bile from meatchunks or AI

[solemn thunder]

Yeah

[thorn mountain]

yeah.

[thorn mountain]

@amber wharf it climbs super quickly after that

[amber wharf]

i just noticed that - that is so odd though. why does it jump 10km within like 5 growth %????

[thorn mountain]

I dunno

probs to give maias something to fear up until its a adult

[amber wharf]

i changed what i wrote 😭

i'm not saying make it 40km but atleast give it SOME chance of escaping predators. like even 35km would be decent and still carnivores can chase them down but 29 is laughable.

@quick pendant pachy used to have a stun when it rammed anything. it's wildly OP. giving it a stun when it has already broken someone's leg or back is going to be heavily broken. 😭

I like pachy but it does not need a stun for when they've already broken bones. the point of fracture/breaking bones is to give the pachy a chance at escape - but they have the choice to continue the fight at the risk of dying becasue usually they can easily get away once their opponent is fractured.

[quick pendant]

well i mean for most dinos ceras weight and above the pachy would have to trade hits with them, and cera/carno and above is not the most fun trade off for pachy, alongside the doodoo hit reg where u can hit them on the leg and get a body fracture, it would be pretty haard for the pachy to get the leg fracture solo without being wounded

and also pachy mising the leg fracture would cause cera to most likely kill the pachy if it knows how to play cera, just 1 bite make it vomit then bite it twice and that should be dead

[amber wharf]

true, it just reminds me of old pachy and how it used to be a powerhouse if it caught anything off guard or saw people coming. it gave a stun to everything it rammed and once they broke your leg/back, it was over for ya. Now.. if pachy had a stun when it hit something in the face/head, THAT i would like. it would make sense to be able to discombulate a predator especially since pachy is accustomed to wacking stuff with its head and has built in protection but the carnies it fights does not.

[amber wharf]

yes i've fought too many ceras as a pachy lately, lol. if they land a body hit, you are essentially dead becasue the vomit animation + too slow to run away.

and it's already risky for pachy to try to hit something in the head since it might have to tank a bite in return

[quick pendant]

idk, i dont mind the pachies current state but i think it would be best to really reward the pachy for breaking a dinos bone/leg more than it already does, i get the idea is to break a leg/body and run so it cant chase you, but its kinda depressing how weak pachy is vs 1300kg dinos even in a group, carnos not the wort thing but cera def is (im geting attacked 1 sec)

[amber wharf]

right now pachy just needs a speed buff and possibly damage buff. i think punishing carnivores for hunting pachy is already there since they can break bones and once pachy does that, it already had an advantage. giving it also stun w/ that is just unfair. 🤷

@thorn mountain is this a bug? LOL MY speed jumped back down !!!

[quick pendant]

ok im good for now, i just think it wouild be good for realism and help with balancing for pachy since i would think if you broke somethings bones of any type it would get "staggered" atleast and imo with a leg fracture it would cause a creature to not be that stable and most likely be easier to push around, and for game wise it would only really help with cera/carno and below dinos, just so you can get the stagger help since a dino of 550 kg being stunned for that long on a hit, allows cera and carno to get atleast 1-2 bites before they get back up (for cera you will most likely die, and carno is a 50/50 if they good enough to click twice then chase) or alternatively instead of allowing you to stagger any dino with a leg fracture 1300kg and below, maybe make it be able to stagger them if you hit them on the same fractured part, and if you have a leg fracture hitting the leg with a staggering attack will cause you to knock it down.

[thorn mountain]

lol

[quick pendant]

honestly, i dont think pachy needs a speed buff, damage maybe, but it doesnt need more speed imo since the idea is to disable your prey then you can escape no matter what, and if you continue to fight you have a decent advantage especially leg/body fracture

[amber wharf]

i don't think you are playing the right dino if this is what you want to accomplish. pachy stunning after fracturing something is going to be OP. 🤷 if you want to stun stuff, play tenonto or carno.

[thorn mountain]

its a stat bug I THINK cause im faster than the guy thats 65%

yeah im faster

[amber wharf]

must be. i'm 80% and it says i'm only 32km.

[thorn mountain]

wait it spikes again LMAO

[quick pendant]

personally i would think fracturing a persons shin would cause them to atleast get "staggered" and then if you hit the same shin again with the same force you will "stagger/knock" them down again

[amber wharf]

that doesn't mean it won't be OP. pachy right now only suffers because ceratos can catch it w/ ease and they are supposed to be a 'hit and run' type of dino. people already hesitate to mess with pachy just because how inconvenient being fractured is & if they are solo, pachy can kill them with a successful fracture if they play it smart with no stun needed.

[quick pendant]

well what i mean is playing pachy is kind of like playing omni but if you pounce you are allowed to get hit by the dino regardless, i think it would be best to make it the way i said so pachy can stun larger carnivores but cannot just do it on every hit, you have to get a leg fracture first, then you can do it

[amber wharf]

BRO WHAT IS HAPPENING 😂

[thorn mountain]

dwwwww

[amber wharf]

i think it is some sort of bug. i put it in the balance feedback and general

[thorn mountain]

put it in bug reports

[amber wharf]

i didnt evens ee that smh thank you LOL

[radiant cipher]

maybe a stupid guess but..is it changing everytime you change stances?

[amber wharf]

i don't think so but i tested it and it seems to have changed. i think before i was changing stances so i think it was still buggy but at my growth now 90% it is yes

[thorn mountain]

it is!

[amber wharf]

man reported that for nothing 💀

[thorn mountain]

[amber wharf]

keep my og post up about buffing the below 60% speed tho

[amber wharf]

it was a user issue it seems 💀 LOL

[onyx lichen]

@steep gazelle Carno is the only playable to not reach Sub-Adult when it reaches half-way to max weight

And the bleed weaknesses were removed in the HT

[steep gazelle]

Yes, it seemed to have been removed in the hordtest. But, when the update came out (and I pretty much only played Carno after that) the weakness still seems to be there.

[onyx lichen]

Are you moving a lot?

[steep gazelle]

yes and no

[onyx lichen]

Bleed Rate does depend on how much you move and how hungry you are

[steep gazelle]

yes?

you think i not know this?

[maiden temple]

Teno feels so sluggish with this delay between tail and kick :c

[torn egret]

I'm loving the Troodon buffs tbh

[lyric pawn]

omni needs a buff

[past nest]

this\

[eager saddle]

not really, omni needs its bugs fixed. That alone would be an insane buff already.

[steep gazelle]

@acoustic meteor
a single trike can fight with 2 stegos and still be able to win, so...

[acoustic meteor]

Now you're taking strategy into the equation

You're bringing up the irrelevant

The point is that if a stego facetanks a trike and uses its tail, the steg wins

[amber wharf]

the issue there is the power swing. imo they should have never added it at such a weird part of the game, it just makes fighting stego unbearable.

[golden coral]

If you're going to ignore the various mechanics

[golden coral]

And without it, stego was more or less outright bad

[amber wharf]

it wasn't.. 💀

[golden coral]

Yes, it was.

[amber wharf]

no point in arguing with you, lol. 🤷 stego was in a fine position and they just gave it a more OP attack when they didn't need it.

[golden coral]

No, it was really bad. The swing was very much needed.

[acoustic meteor]

In a pure facetank, without strategy, stego wins

that's a blunder and absolutely backwards

stego should not have an attack that can out-tank trike's

[steep gazelle]

but that's the point. Trike is different from Stego; Trike has several attacks that must be used correctly and consciously, and Stego only has its power swing. If you use Trike correctly, Stegos are not the slightest problem for you, but that is already a question of skill.

[acoustic meteor]

Stat-wise, stego out tanks trike. That's the point. Should not be the case

[golden coral]

Literally doesn't, stego would take double damage on head, trike takes much less

Pretty sure a trike taking headshots can survive multiple powerswings, with block, most likely even more of them

[steep gazelle]

Stego can't do this if you're a good trike player. This isn't a problem with stego or trike, just a problem with the skill you have.

[golden coral]

It's a problem with just looking at both of them hitting each others body, which is not really a "facetank" and also, well, not really how you're supposed to fight

And trike, with spar/strafe has more ability than stego to get out of such a position at that

[acoustic meteor]

Stego can do it in a pure tank 👍 This feedback is directed towards stats, without skill in consideration

I'll make that easier for you to comprehend next time

also for the record i don't play trike nor stego, it's just a dumb thing in the game i noticed

[golden coral]

Is it an issue though?

Trike is heavily geared to be defensive, stego, for some reason, to be offensive

[steep gazelle]

skills should always be taken into account. Trike has this ability, you just don't want to use it

[acoustic meteor]

It is, stego should not out tank trike

It's weird and does not make sense gameplay-wise

[acoustic meteor]

Nope . Because if you always develop off of what the best players would do, the game would fall apart

[golden coral]

Why not? If you actually fight and play properly, it's not an issue

And if you do that, then, if you buff trike, or nerf stego, the matchup would be bad in other ways

[golden coral]

No, you do always develop of what can actually be done, because that is what the players will be able to do

[acoustic meteor]

That is not what I said

I said you don't always develop off of what the best players would do

[steep gazelle]

You just need to learn the basics, which is knowing how to knockdown the stego and not being hasty, that's all.

[acoustic meteor]

Stego still out tanks trike, which is backwards

[golden coral]

Then I misunderstood, apologies if so. But it kind of fits, because what the best players would and could do, is what the game limits them to do. You will have bad decisions and choices too, after all.

[steep gazelle]

If you stand in front of him using thrash attack he will obviously be able to tank. You have weapons in your hands but you want to punch? That's stupid.

[golden coral]

But if you change that, how else would it change the matchup, is the question, and if that is a desireable change if so

[acoustic meteor]

It would delete the possibility of a stego getting into a scenario where it can start tanking a trike for a moment before the trike's able to get distance to knock it down

Delete the possibility of an average trike player deciding to tank a stego and then losing
Cause a trike SHOULD NOT lose a tank against a stego

[golden coral]

You could either buff trike weight, nerf stego damage, or maybe adjust where trike has damage reduction or something, but it would affect any other matchup too

[golden coral]

I mean, an average trike vs an average stego, pretty sure the trike will win that

If it's an average trike, vs a very good stego, then well, the stego does have the skill advantage there

And yes, it would, but it would obviously do more than that, for all the other matchups

[acoustic meteor]

talking about the scenario where the average trike decides to facetank the stego

and the stego just pummels it with the charged swing

that scenario should be nonexistent

because if it ceases to exist, then stegos will actually start respecting trikes

which they should, they should fear it

for example i bet you a sucho will never win a tank against rex

[golden coral]

So average vs average, in which case I'd have to see it, but I doubt an average stego will do better than the trike there

[acoustic meteor]

omni will never win a tank against cera

[golden coral]

And trike wins over stego, if you, you know, position yourself correctly

[acoustic meteor]

you're generalizing it

this is not average vs average overall

[golden coral]

You're the one mentioning average trike

If it's not average vs average, then there's no point in it

[acoustic meteor]

this is the scenario where the trike decides to tank the stego, and the stego wins the tank because it can

[golden coral]

Of course a skilled stego would take down the average trike that doesn't know how to go about it

If you don't use your attacks properly, or position yourself properly, then you're going to struggle

[acoustic meteor]

The point is that a stego should not win a TANK against a trike what so eveer

Trike is the tank of the game. Nothing that weighs less than it, as much as stego, should win a tank against it

[acoustic meteor]

Now you're bringing in another irrelevant factor which has nothing to do with the problem brought up

[golden coral]

From all I've seen on HT, they already do, since it's not a good idea for a stego to try and fight the trike

[golden coral]

But it doesn't, if they both actually properly play

[acoustic meteor]

If the trike decides to tank it, then stego wins

it's backwards

[golden coral]

It is a tank, it also does low damage because it's a tank

And there's more matchups than stego vs trike to consider

Your main problem is purely that stego outdamages a trike if stego uses its powerswing and trike its basic attack?

Only if its body on body hit, though one could argue what attacks should be looked at, after all, is trike basic attack to be compared with stego basic attack (the bite)? If not, what would trikes answer to power swing be? What other attacks does it have?

Technically, if we're just looking at basic attacks, trike obviously wins that, stego has to use its dedicated high power attack

And if so, should we look at trike using knockdown + thrash or some such?

[jovial vessel]

....what does thrash do

[golden coral]

I believe it does a lot more damage to a knocked down opponent, if it's the attack I'm thinking of. It's the one, I believe, that people complain about the controls for. But I could be wrong, haven't tested it out myself.

[jovial vessel]

oh interesting. I saw Dibble has it too but Ive not had a chance to test it or see any info on the damage output of it + the new flip attacks

[acoustic meteor]

yep, which is backwards

[severe grail]

#balance-feedback message Stego also massively outdamage trike so I think it's fine.

[golden coral]

And can outrun one, so if you're not confident in trying to fight one, just keep your distance

[cosmic crypt]

Regarding the new ptera flight - if you have a significant ping on the server you have a high likely hood for your jump to fail. Even the best pteradon has to land at some point, and if they can't take off quickly their whole surival is diminshed.

[steep gazelle]

this

[steep gazelle]

700dmg i think

[jovial vessel]

daaaang

[severe grail]

trike so easy to tailride what were they thinking lol

[severe grail]

sparred into the shadow realm?

[jovial vessel]

trike tailriding is just legacy days on no alt turn servers

[dusky surge]

i guess the idea is to use terrain to not die but idk man

feels a lil lame

[severe grail]

someone said it's like dibble but worse. If yu get caught out in the open by things that can turn, you are gonna struggle.

[maiden temple]

That sounds awful, I hate tailriding so much :c

Everything feels worse to play now, stego normal tail attack feels sluggish and just.. doesn't work at all sometimes. Teno delay between tail attack and kick too..

it's the era of dibble since it feels very nice to move around and combo

[quick pendant]

@analog mirage btw imo it makes sense that cera and carno are both same weight (at 1.3 atleast) since ceratosaurus is known to have mmoderately large osteoderms (bone plates) attached to it and also ceratosaurus is overall more bulky looking to me, so it makes sense to me they are the same weight roughly.

[thorn mountain]

@quick pendant the idea for it is if you swallow something it gains more food and diet from said thing

[viscid mica]

@icy blaze that would either be some funny desync or a hitbox that’s a wee far back

[steep gazelle]

@twilit seal 2x stability is extreme, he doesn't need it

Cerato should still fear a Tenonto and not see him as easy prey that he can just spam charge bites without the slightest conscience

[viscid mica]

Cera stability is super good

Infact current balance cera is genuinely a apex slayer it’s so strong

[steep gazelle]

The scavenger who is actually the best hunter... It's quite funny how they haven't done anything about this yet xd

[viscid mica]

They tried to and ended up pocket buffing it

Speed reduction instant would immediately reduce its hunting capacity and only dibbles or those that wanna fight it will suffer

[steep gazelle]

I don't think they even tested these changes before releasing them, because there's no way they really thought it would be fair lol

[viscid mica]

Tbf that’s what we are for

[steep gazelle]

Yes, that would be nice. It would combine really well with the stability bonus and get to max damage faster.

[viscid mica]

It would actually make it a corpse bully

The 10% drops it to what 36/37?

[steep gazelle]

Yes

36 without photo and 37-38 with photo

[viscid mica]

Ya then that’s fine

[viscid mica]

Slow enough

Sure could give allos pause but they got other tools to combat them

Dibbles def need faster recovery from alt attacks thou as it stands 3 competent ceras absolutely destroy a dibble

[steep gazelle]

I believe that 2 Ceratos will already be able to take care of an Allo, as he will not have high damage

[steep gazelle]

Well, the thrash attack saves the dibble in this situation, as it causes 700 damage when hitting the head.

[viscid mica]

I did not know this

This shall aid me greatly in my future dibble grow

Knock down for 200 ish than thrash that’s

900 damage off rip

Very pog

[steep gazelle]

Here

[viscid mica]

OH MY GOD

THATS DISGUSTING

I LOVE IT THATS double click left click right?

I don’t play dibble enough to think I’m good by any standard I’m passable atm

[steep gazelle]

Yes, it is the attack that requires you to quickly press the left button twice

[viscid mica]

Omg

[steep gazelle]

But you should only use it in certain situations, if have another Cerato you have to be more careful

[viscid mica]

Gonna use it

(Got blocked by the auto stop bot cuz I misspelled something and it was a curse word in Spanish LMAO)

[steep gazelle]

That too

70% dibble

[viscid mica]

I mean, if I’m fighting 3 and I get the knock down on 1 it’s worth the trade off to basically Garantee 1 can’t fight anymore at risk of death to next hit

[viscid mica]

Hot

[steep gazelle]

It's best to land at least 2 normal attacks before doing this, as this will ensure that the Cerato will die

[viscid mica]

Mmmm smart

even if your being circled by 3 and need to multi target usually with alt attacks?

[steep gazelle]

Then just use the Alt attack backwards, because 100% sure the other ceratos will be biting you haha

[viscid mica]

Fair fair

I’ll have to learn and practice during my next grow

[steep gazelle]

You have to be careful, but you can use it

Join servers with free admin and train

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind trading afew hits for guaranteeing 1 is out for the count 1 less cera in those fights is huge

[viscid mica]

Na I like learning the hard way

[steep gazelle]

You're crazy xd

[viscid mica]

Your right BUT THATS THE FUN PART

https://tenor.com/view/light-yagami-death-note-my-perfect-victory-i-win-this-is-my-perfect-victory-gif-21361213

[steep gazelle]

Well, learning while you have 3 hours of dibble to waste helps learn faster

The tension too

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[viscid mica]

Best experience is real consequential combat

[icy blaze]

that did happen to others as well and i think that needs a fix pretty desperately

[icy blaze]

yeah i see this as the same

[hasty coyote]

@twilit seal the reason cera still gets stunned with a corpse is because the corpse buff doesn’t increase stability. Instead, corpse buff affects only its resistance to knockdowns specifically. Since it’s only getting stunned due to stability buff, the knockdown resistance doesn’t matter.

[viscid mica]

So it’s just a slightly far hitbox

[icy blaze]

i wouldnt say its slightly if this is supposed to be a front attack and i am on his ass. its pretty bad imo

[viscid mica]

Your head was up near his front legs

[twilit seal]

in theory, teno can stun up to 2.3 tons, cera doesnt get that much weight

[viscid mica]

In theory

[twilit seal]

which makes the cera charge immunity a bug

[viscid mica]

Indeed which is why it should be placed In a #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

^it’ll actually get fixed if you report it here

Balance feedback is for balance issues not bugs

And they don’t haunt these channels all too often

I’d imagine they look for the most popular things

[twilit seal]

alright thanks

i hope someone reported the moving drinking bug too lol

[viscid mica]

You can lol

[twilit seal]

dont have any clips from official servers

[viscid mica]

You don’t need a clip if you can explain the steps thou one is preferred

[worn dawn]

hi, do u havve same problem on EU servers? My screen is normal then like this and i tried relog and on different EU servers it the same problem

[shadow vortex]

Try turning off the DLSS. Expect poor performance then though. It’s a long-standing bug.

[shadow vortex]

If you can’t play without DLSS at all, try to do some shenanigans like applying (by the button) all settings in the game menu before joining a server/restarting game several times/etc. Sometimes it also helps.

[worn dawn]

thx, it works

and what does it mean?

[slim dragon]

It means IT can see you
run

[worn dawn]

xD

[amber wharf]

patrol zone. are you a herbi oe carni?

if you are herbi it means some prefered food on ur diet spawned there. 💖

[worn dawn]

herbi, ty ❤️

[icy blaze]

it shouldnt be like that

[viscid mica]

True it shouldn’t reach that far back

[crystal stream]

Big Carno is better plus why have a 1600 ton animal be physically incapable of hunting things in its size or lil smaller I don’t mind making it have cool niches but making Carno even more strict to hunting smaller things will only kill it even if it can swollow things whole

I’m not saying make Carno kill teno and cera easy but don’t make Carno so restricted

[normal lark]

their was a mechanic tied to gobbler carno where it did more bite damage on people who were knocked down, wether gobbler carno would be able to knock down a cerato or teno though is however something i dont recall

[crystal stream]

Ngl it probably should be able to

[normal lark]

i wouldnt personally mind gobbler carno being able to knock down cerato and teno

teno has its tail slam and kick to knock down or stagger carno

and cerato can resist knockdowns with the stability aspect to its charge bite

[crystal stream]

As unfair it might seem you would be surprised how easy it would be for a carno to lose especially if there bad

[crystal stream]

Exactly

I like gobbler Carno but restricting it to fight small things and small things only is just going to make it such a huge a loss of potential esp for a 1.6

[normal lark]

plus the gobbler carno concept would make it so carnos dont just go spammin charge to kill people, because its annoying how they just do that for the damage charge attacks deal

making charge more of a utility tool to follow up with your bites for a strong hit is better than running around bulldozing people as a primary source of damage

[crystal stream]

Esp from a spectators pov I mean old carno was so much more dynamic and actually fun to watch a fight with new carno is so buggy and such a unfun mess gobbler takes them both to shame I think

[normal lark]

yeah, gobbler carno is such a unique and interesting take on carno that allows it benefit more from small game while still being a good competitor with things like cerato and i guess teno while were at it

[crystal stream]

Teno is in my opinion carnos perfect matchup there matchup in spiro was legendary then Carno got nerfed into the ground and it was lost in my humble opinion old old spiro Carno is my favorite rendition of Carno in video game history it was realistic dynamic and even though a lot of people disagree balanced however gobbler Carno seems promising to make it unique to the isle

While also keeping some elements of the legendary spiro carno

[viscid mica]

@unreal crystal from what I understand cera stability is super fudged after this last patch and it can tank a lot of things it shouldn’t be able too

[elfin night]

@serene lichen YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

Cera can do ANYTHING it wants other than facetanking apexes

you can bully people off corpses, you can hunt large herbivores, you can swim away from any threat, you can choose to never engage with anyone and scavenge, you can fend off any other carni...

It is the single most overpowered creature in the game right now and has basically zero weaknesses

and now carno and teno just lose because of charged bite changes

seriously, it's so strong and the learning curve now is minimal for most matchups

[amber wharf]

has to be bait ngl

[elfin night]

I hope so

looking at one of the most oppressive creatures in the history of evrima and calling it unplayable is crazy

but who knows

some people just post in balance feedback after a bad experience or getting brutally outplayed

[viscid mica]

@faint robin that’s not face tanking 90% of those hits where tail hits the rest body not even stegos would be doing all that much slapping the tail all day

That deino is clearly fairly good and well aware of how to position himself to take advantage of hitboxes

do remember deino is infact 8 tons and is rather meaty boy he also coulda taken cong for 15% reduced from larger

[faint robin]

So deino is facetanking trike 🙂

Too much for a semiaqua with safe zone in the water

[viscid mica]

Face tanking is the act of sitting face to face and trading hits

Deino loses a face tank instantly

[faint robin]

At which trike should dominate deino

[viscid mica]

Trike has some 70% ish head damage reduction

[viscid mica]

Which it does

Cuz deinos head hitbox is massive and trike takes significantly reduced hs damage

[faint robin]

Deino is not hitting its head, its hitting its legs or belly

[viscid mica]

If it was actually face tanking it would be

But like I said that clip clearly shows a significant lack of hits past the rear legs

[faint robin]

Deino goes inside and hits legs

Nothing trike can do about it

[viscid mica]

Use spar to move back

Don’t get skill issued

[faint robin]

U move back slower than deino runs and spams lmb

[viscid mica]

Plus trike still out dps deino body hit for body hit

[viscid mica]

You can move to sides dash foward you got a lot of options that don’t involve stand still and left clicking

[faint robin]

Not by much esp with cong and way better dps

[viscid mica]

Dps is roughly equal

[faint robin]

Deino bites way faster

[viscid mica]

And cong only brings it near 9tons roughly

[viscid mica]

Have you heard of thrashing

Double click left click

[faint robin]

Useless attack

[viscid mica]

Does wonders

[viscid mica]

1 sec

[faint robin]

Double hits for 250 LOL

Idc about abusing bugs with thrash spam

[viscid mica]

Ah here it is

[faint robin]

Its gonna get fixed eventually

And trike is not winning vs rex with that pathetic 600 dmg

[viscid mica]

Actually this one is better hold up

So to be clear that’s a dibbles damage not trikes

Trikes is way more

[viscid mica]

Rex will hit head more than anything else in a trike fight tbh

Than again we’ll have to wait till Rex drops

I see some mobility changes in trikes future

[faint robin]

Its ok for trike to be slower

Cuz it should have an upper hand if it faces rex

[viscid mica]

Mainly it’s turn ratios

Should really crank up bleed on some of these big boys hits ngl

Like a stego slap or trike charge should leave you catatonic for blood

[faint robin]

Deino tho
Its semiaqua why is it even going toe to toe with land apexes with such an op retreat option as water (no other semis thats why)

[faint robin]

Whats wrong with it

[viscid mica]

It’s not

[viscid mica]

Slow very slow 3 cera can bully a trike with enough time to grind

[faint robin]

Let my stego go in 4 trikes like that LOL

[faint robin]

Ah its kinda true sadly

[viscid mica]

I wouldn’t call extreme hit or run abusing hitboxes and bad players face tanking

That deino was way better than any of those trikes

They were playing that brutally bad

[faint robin]

Still its 4 trikes and 1 deino

4 trikes on land*

Nothing else can go in like that

[viscid mica]

4 trikes getting 20% damage from constantly hitting tail doesn’t mean nothing

[viscid mica]

WELLLLLLLLL

Like I can think of several ways of the top of my head those trikes coulda shut that deino down easily

They played it EXTREMELY POORLY

I swear all the trike clips I’ve seen are of brain damaged trikes

[faint robin]

Trike also can't counter deino going under it, hitting body while trikr mostly hits tail

[viscid mica]

Time your hits better so you get a juicy head before it goes below deino is atleast 40% head hitbox

[keen plover]

You move faster on land?

[faint robin]

Thrash missclick is reasonable, very easy to fail (too easy, thrash is too situational to be activated that easily)

[keen plover]

Main issue in that matchup is that deino can’t be knocked so trikes main damage isn’t happening

[faint robin]

You back away slower than deino runs inside you

[viscid mica]

I get wiffing the trash but you could easily land a left click or alt left

[faint robin]

True

[viscid mica]

Ah yes let the deino burn stam chasing 1 while the 4 others come in behind that would end well

[faint robin]

1v1

[viscid mica]

Oh than don’t be that close to water lol

[faint robin]

Great tank deinosuchus scaring away land apexes yeah

[viscid mica]

Make it come out and use your speed to in and out

[faint robin]

Deino should only be good in the water

[viscid mica]

It is a water apex….

[viscid mica]

Hot take fr

[faint robin]

Yeah, but it fights trike on land lol

I get trike exploding if it swims with deino
If both are standing on the ground - deino should be torn apart

Not deino emerging, trading with 4 triceratops like they are flies and safely returning to its powershield water

[viscid mica]

It’s fighting trike in and out of water less than a foot away from a escape

[viscid mica]

Not the trikes hitting nothing but tail doing less damage than dibble body shot would

I just can’t feel bad for those trikes they was awful

[faint robin]

There's also a vid of deino chasing 2 trikes away from a body on land 🙂
https://youtu.be/_ibMJ-8KYAc?si=Rgs0JhURqRhbY7xL 5:00ish

[unreal crystal]

Yeah... its just fg cera (100%) doesn't have the bug but bellow 100% doesn't get stunned... that's bad lol

[faint robin]

Like deinosuchus isnt scared of triceratops at all
There's no way it dies to trike if its somewhat close to water (are there deinos not somewhat close to water?)
Stego can kill 2 deinos while trike seems like it just tickles deino lol

[viscid mica]

That’s on the trikes

You expect too much from apex mains

[faint robin]

Deino is also an apex

[viscid mica]

That all share 3 brain cell between the 200 of them

[faint robin]

No other apex is tanking 2 trikes like that, even if they are the dumbest

[viscid mica]

Indeed that’s why bro thought he could walk on land

And they let him

[viscid mica]

Deino isn’t tanking that either

Bro I’ve solo’d deinos as dibble let alone trike it’s not that hard

[faint robin]

If stego does what that deino did - its gonna get cooked instantly, same for trike

[viscid mica]

Oh no trikes absolutely cook stegos

There are afew trashers who posted clips of them dying and it’s all super avoidable stuff

[faint robin]

Yes ik im talking about solo trikd/stego going in 2 trikes

Even very dumb 2 trikes

Deino being resistant to stuns and knockdowns is kinda op

[viscid mica]

With how slow gang is I can’t imagine how often you’d die without it

[faint robin]

Shouldn't be tbh, let deinos actually think not just go in all out brawl, taking someone and drowning them

Like deino can lunge in idk 10 trikes, take the juvie and swim away with it safely. Its too good on land for a semiaqua

Let others stun and knock it down so deino actually timed its attacks with risk of failing and dying. Not it being an unkillable water boss. How deinos even die? Only to other deinos or if they really mess up and idk, tank a stego to death on land

Its like croc attacking a herd of elephants and taking their calf out of 5 adults lol

[viscid mica]

If the deino has room to lunge through them all the trikes where in weird spots they should be able to body block that

Stunning deino would nuke its ability to exist

It’s far to slow to justify it being able to be stunned

[faint robin]

Its not slow in the water
Like should deino even be on land?

[steep gazelle]

This dibble and trike attack only causes high damage to something knocked down

[viscid mica]

Hrm didn’t know that Meh alt attack still exists

[viscid mica]

Travel, food, throwing its weight around to bully tiny shtuff off bodies semi close to water

Mostly travel thou

I travel as deino a lot

[steep gazelle]

It is better to use the charged and light attack of the sparring and not to stand still so that Deino can't bite your body

[faint robin]

A lot of stuff can be stun locked like trike hitting other trike's head and stun locking it. Deino won't be the only one

[viscid mica]

That’s what I’m saying

[steep gazelle]

You said alt atack

[viscid mica]

Deino will be the only way 10 km slower than everyone else

[viscid mica]

For like it charging at you head on for early hit which was where I was saying thrash could be used

[steep gazelle]

If I'm not mistaken, the deino and trike's alt attack causes the same damage as the common attack as well, just a directional and slow attack

[faint robin]

Isnt trike's alt a bit higher dmg wise than common attack?

Like 650 or 700ish iirc

[steep gazelle]

It looks like it does the same damage, but I could be wrong

[viscid flare]

can somone unstukc me

[regal valve]

It already is...

[icy blaze]

Why complaining about deinos as a Trike? You can legit just run away. You can even swim trough a river with no fear as fg. Want the trike even more op than it is? Wth? Deinos have it hard enough already. What do you want? Godmode? Smh

[faint robin]

I want to reliably kill semiaquatic as land apex on land. Like stego does

[faint robin]

Thats why its going into 4 trikes on land and surviving

[regal valve]

Deino gets minced by Trike on land

[icy blaze]

Well. No.

You are already playing an op apex and you still want more. Thats rediculous. Its good trikes at least have one enemy

[faint robin]

Trike's enemy is stego and rex. Not a crocodile lol

[keen plover]

Deino is not trikes enemy. But at the same time you shouldn't be losing to a deino on land lol

[faint robin]

Its not, its a 1-2 hit difference

[keen plover]

Trikes dps is much better

[regal valve]

Trike's enemies are all the other specie and other Trikes actually

[keen plover]

And is tankier, has faster movement on land

There's no reason you should lose that

[faint robin]

Its not, deino have way faster attack, trike's dps is actually bad

[icy blaze]

Well there is no rex. Also ofc u can kill a deino as trike. Skillissue id say.

Well then walk away from deino. Youre a herbivore. Not a carnivore. Legit no reason to hunt deinos. Smh

[faint robin]

I showed 2 vids of deino tanking trikes like flies
Also herbivore means nothing in TI, you can do whatever you want

[icy blaze]

Well then dont cry if a deino kills you. Lmao

[faint robin]

I see no reason for deino to not be scared of trikes on land at all

[keen plover]

No shot. The running flip attack is quick and you can run by and get a deino like that without trading

[faint robin]

Deino trades 2 hits if trike tries to flip it

Which is 1k dmg for 600 dmg

[keen plover]

No? You do run bys. It's bite isn't that quick lmao

[faint robin]

Deino's bite is way way quicker than every of trike's attacks

[faint robin]

Did I die to deino? No.
But I see how deinos go in several trikes on land and get out alive
Clearly unhealthy for a semiaquatic playable

Like stego can kill 2 deinos, trike (which is erm, slower) have hard time dealing with 1

[keen plover]

I'm watching the vids you referenced and the deino's bite is pretty slow. There's no way a trike using its running flip is getting hit twice by that during a run by

[faint robin]

Again no other playable can go in 2 even the dumbest of trikes and don't worry about dying at all

Deino is basically immortal (not counting other deinos)

It can die to other playables only if it really screws it up. Which is not happening with a good deino.

[icy blaze]

Well then why are u whining if its not about you

Not that hard to just use the w on your keyboard and walk away tho

[faint robin]

While land creatures fight and kill each other deino just exists with no worries about dying at all as water final boss, taking what it wants and having no competition

[twilit seal]

#balance-feedback message bro imagine losing to deinos on land as trike lmao

[faint robin]

Ah yes land apex herbivore should run from a croc on land

[regal valve]

for real

[icy blaze]

You never played deino did you huh. Then you would know better how hard it is to survive

[twilit seal]

This might actually one of the biggest skill issue suggestion ive seen

[faint robin]

Prove trike destroys deino then. No vids abt it 🙂

[twilit seal]

Trike isnt exactly op but complaining about LAND DEINO??

[keen plover]

Bro....

[icy blaze]

Yeh exactly. Cuz ure not supposed to hunt deinos

[keen plover]

Trike bodies deino on land 1 v 1

[twilit seal]

Brother trike has damage reduction on the face you know? Just dont even go sparring spam normal attacks

[icy blaze]

This lmfao

[twilit seal]

Face to face

[faint robin]

The amount of cringe

[keen plover]

It has more running stam, a better trot and is faster. More damage and has more hp...

[faint robin]

Deino goes under and bites body

[twilit seal]

Move backwards with sparring?

[icy blaze]

I cant im dying here 😅

[twilit seal]

I swear youre one of those trikes constantly doing the trash attck because game plan is just spamming left click

[faint robin]

Im supposed to destroy deinosuchus face fo face as an armored head pleable

[regal valve]

It does

[faint robin]

I only fought deino as 80% trike before thrash was even made easy to fail

[icy blaze]

Well as you said. Then its a skillissue lol

[faint robin]

Deino runs faster than trike moves backwards

[keen plover]

Good. You waste its stam

[twilit seal]

I hope you know trash does less damage if target is not knocked down

[faint robin]

I know thrash is useless most of the time, the reason im not using it

[twilit seal]

I cant lmao, if this was a trike agility sucks and its too slow suggestion i would maybe understand, but LAND DEINO???

[faint robin]

Flip+stance attack and trike is still 2 hits from death after FT with a deino

[twilit seal]

People can now even abuse the bug and drink while walking even sprinting

[twilit seal]

Why are you using the flip attck against a deino 🤦‍♂️

[faint robin]

Yall try it by yourself, deino with cong almost kills trike in a facetank

[faint robin]

What should I use

[twilit seal]

The basic attack? You know since deino doesnt get ccd

Has a faster attack speed

[faint robin]

Basic attack has lower dmg and just as slow.

[keen plover]

I wouldn't facetank it in the first place. When I can just hit it and run by

[faint robin]

Its not faster 🙂

[twilit seal]

No? It does 600, flip does 650 IF YOU KNOCK IT DOWN

If you dotn it just does 600

[faint robin]

Flip does 650 normally

[twilit seal]

No, only if you knock down

[faint robin]

Ah yes the 3 horns an a frill on the head shouldn't facetank a crocodile, ig known for its great armor

[twilit seal]

If i ever find a deino in this water economy ill face tank it with a 50% trike just for you

[faint robin]

Spar attack does 750 tho

[twilit seal]

Yeah on a much longer attack animation and cooldown

Dps is lower

[faint robin]

Go in deatmatch we'll see how you FT a deino on a trike

[twilit seal]

Alright

[faint robin]

There are multiple dm's with auto growth

Trike benefits from knockdowns which deino is immune to

For some reason

[regal valve]

New Video incoming? 👀

[keen plover]

Can you imagine if they readded deino knockdown. Sort of miss flipping the juvis 🤤

[faint robin]

If 9.5 ton animal flips a 8 ton animal its gonna get stunned at least

[twilit seal]

I did grow a trike to 90% yesterday

[cosmic pelican]

In no world can I imagine a flip animation for deino that doesnt look hilariously cartoonish

[keen plover]

Its eyes used to bulge out LMAO

It didn't even look bad tbh. Was barely a thing you'd notice

[faint robin]

You need me on dm? Cuz there are plenty of trikes

[twilit seal]

nah gimme like 10 mins your video will come

[faint robin]

Alr

[regal valve]

👀 🍿

[viscid mica]

I see I’m not the only one who thinks those trikes were next level dog water in that clip

[viscid mica]

If you manage to lose to a deino I’m disowning you

[faint robin]

Still no other playable can go in 3-4 fg apexes this carelessly and survive

Deinos doesn't worry about dying at all. No competition, nothing

[keen plover]

That i guess is true. A solo stego would have evaporated it

[faint robin]

Only hunger and other deinos

[twilit seal]

i got your vid

also deino has congenital, hypermetabolic, hemomania, 574 bite force

[faint robin]

No other playable has safe zone like deino has, it should be weakee for this reason

[viscid mica]

Ya he used the trikes apparent lack of hitbox awareness and they hit all tail

Deino takes basically no damage from tail hits

And anything rear legs and behind is tail

[viscid mica]

SEE THAT IS HOW ITS DONE

Keep shifting so your frame 1 of damage hit is hitting body

[faint robin]

This seems fair tbh

[viscid mica]

We aint hating on you gang that video was just some absolute brain dead trikes

[twilit seal]

i even missed the first headshot btw

[viscid mica]

Genuine noob activity

[faint robin]

Alr alr

[viscid mica]

[faint robin]

Was this deino full hp from the start tho?

[viscid mica]

They coulda easily stomped him they was bad and he knew it which is why he got away with all that

[viscid mica]

It’s a death match server it was 100% full

[twilit seal]

Ofc it was, and had congenital and damage mutations

I couldve showed its health tho youre right

It had 574 bite force like i said

[faint robin]

I still think deino is a bit op with the safe zone it has
Close to no competition at all

[faint robin]

Ye but I trust ya

[viscid mica]

It’s only strong in or near water

[twilit seal]

If anything deinos bite force is too weak, realistically it should be higher than rex

[viscid mica]

You pull em out deep enough into land any anything stomps them

I’ve solo’d deinos as dibble, teno, cera, carno even

They have deadly slow alt attacks on land

[twilit seal]

I mean i think trikes damage is a little too low dont get me wrong

Stego doing 1800 is a crime

[faint robin]

Well erm realistically trike would oneshot rex from the front and rex oneshot it from behind

[viscid mica]

I’m waiting to see Rex match up before I make that judgement call

[faint robin]

It kinda is

If rex gets a 850 dmg trike is screwed

[twilit seal]

I mean i compare it to stego, and I do think it should one shot dilos at least on the body with the huge horns

Stego just has absurd damage

[viscid mica]

The difference is stego is lighter and slower and has no damage reductions

[twilit seal]

Trike is slower than stego

[viscid mica]

Stego is a apex glass cannon

[viscid mica]

It’s sprint is faster

[twilit seal]

No its 23 something for trike and 25 something for stego

[viscid mica]

Trikes trot had to be reduced cuz they were deleting stegos

[viscid mica]

Is it?

[twilit seal]

With photo tissue trike has 24.6 and stego 26 something

[viscid mica]

Didn’t know the reduced sprint too

[twilit seal]

stego also has more running stam

I mean younger trikes are faster

[keen plover]

Stego should be 26.2km/h

[twilit seal]

Stego also steamrolls trikes that are under 7.5 tons

[waxen lance]

trikes like 23.4 without photo too

[twilit seal]

Trike is 24.6 with photo im pretty sure of that

[waxen lance]

yea correct

[twilit seal]

Ah mb you said without

[waxen lance]

lol all good

[faint robin]

I can't say how much trike should hit (700-850 base?) to not have too low dmg, but I wish weight counted the dmg like in Legacy

[waxen lance]

trike can also just do run throughs with the running flip tbh and take even less dmg

[viscid mica]

What’s trikes current base left click damage

[keen plover]

Hell nah

[faint robin]

600

[twilit seal]

Yeah I just wanted to do the face tank, this isnt how i would play it normally lol

[waxen lance]

ohh right

[faint robin]

Hows it played normally tho?

[viscid mica]

Than I’d say depending on Rex match up if it’s not doing too great another hundy or hundyfiffy would be justified

[twilit seal]

I would do hit and runs with the running attack on the head and repeat

[faint robin]

Yeah rex matchup will show it

[waxen lance]

ya u can even just bait a bite from deino and go in while its on cd

[keen plover]

ye

[twilit seal]

I do think 600 is too little tho honestly

[waxen lance]

same

[twilit seal]

Should be at least 700-750 base imo for how slow it is

Gotta make the hits worth it like stego

[faint robin]

Esp compared to stego brainlessly spamming 1600-2500 dmg

[twilit seal]

Out in the open they are free food for most carni groups

[waxen lance]

yea i think 700-750 is good

[viscid mica]

Well see

[faint robin]

Too

[twilit seal]

Not to mention everything has congenital

[viscid mica]

1600 power swing

[faint robin]

Trike is abused by cera

[viscid mica]

And 2050 sprinting power

1050 jab

Like 800 stamless jab?

[waxen lance]

stego is jus a dps machine

[twilit seal]

Its 1800 jab

[viscid mica]

Glass cannon apex

[waxen lance]

yeup

[viscid mica]

The jab is the long animation

[twilit seal]

Does around 19.5% to trike

[viscid mica]

Power swing is the hold right left click

[regal valve]

Glass Nuke*

[faint robin]

Can't say its glass tho
6 tons

[twilit seal]

No jab is the tail up attack i mean

The fast attack not running one

[viscid mica]

That’s not jab that’s power swing

[waxen lance]

LOL fr

[twilit seal]

Honestly people call it so many different things

[viscid mica]

Compared to all other apex’s

[viscid mica]

People are dumb

[twilit seal]

Jab is to me tail up fast, power swing is running attack, and alt attack is just alt attack

Alt does 1250 i think?

[viscid mica]

Gotcha

[viscid mica]

Na only 1050

[keen plover]

um

[viscid mica]

And even less if your outa stam

[twilit seal]

Nah thats not a thing

The out of stam alts do the same damage tested it

[faint robin]

Like stego can defend itself even in the open, trike is just abused

Should def be higher dmg on that slow attacks

[viscid mica]

Do they? Or maybe they have a longer recovery

[keen plover]

For all creatures?

[keen plover]

Nah it's meant to be less damage

[viscid mica]

It can defend itself it won’t win thou

[twilit seal]

For all afaik, at least teno and stego i tested first hand

[keen plover]

Gotcha.

[viscid mica]

Ah so I’m not crazy

[keen plover]

Personally wish it was both lol

[twilit seal]

There were talks of it doing less damage but i dont think that was ever implemented

[faint robin]

Has way harder time, esp with ceras abusing its turn

[viscid mica]

Ah ya trike has like no rear defence so you gotta use the map big time

[twilit seal]

Yeah honestly i cant complain about trikes camping

[faint robin]

Kinda sadge

Rex will have a 100% confirmed kill with its pin

[keen plover]

I wish its turn in place was buffed + spar turn. I like that it has bad running turn though

[faint robin]

Trike has nothing

[twilit seal]

I still think trike is too clunky, animations are incomplete half the time. The only advantage it has is the wonky hitboxes

I despise the flip attack animation, bro just floats ahead

[faint robin]

Run animation is, bro breaks its shoulders

[twilit seal]

Yeah i still dislike it too even after the update. Im surprised none of the animations had an update in 4 months of hordetesting

[keen plover]

Personally. I can excuse animations I don't like as long as the playable is fun. Trike is not fun at all

[twilit seal]

They still cant be pounced while sitting down

[faint robin]

True, trike is either boring or suffering from midtier groups

[twilit seal]

The only fun matchup is stegos

[waxen lance]

i was able to pounce them as troodon when they were sitting

[faint robin]

True

[twilit seal]

Might be an omni issue then

[waxen lance]

trike spar turn in place is really fast too

[faint robin]

If they don't just...run away

[waxen lance]

probably yeah

[keen plover]

LOL because you can actually hit them reliably 😭

and it isn't over in a second

[faint robin]

Not enough, every midtier abuses it

[twilit seal]

Its also really fun watching them not be able to do anything and flipped everytime they get up

[waxen lance]

yeah true its not that good, u gotta just back up against a wall

[keen plover]

Trikes spar turn looks quick until you notice how bad it is in comparison to the carnis. They run rings around you

[faint robin]

Which is sad for a top tier herbi

[twilit seal]

100%

[keen plover]

Like once they're behind you, good luck shaking them off

[waxen lance]

yeahhh

[twilit seal]

If a cera is good enough, without terrain it can stay there for as long as it wants

[keen plover]

yep

[faint robin]

Dibble kinda has the same problem but less visual

[twilit seal]

Alts are also really slow and not as broken as dibble hitboxes

[faint robin]

Trike is obv struggling

[twilit seal]

Dibbles saving grace is that it has massive lingering hitboxes

[waxen lance]

and it can 180 slide

[keen plover]

the slide is its only saving grace lmao

[twilit seal]

And its flip and trash attacks are actually insanely fast now

[keen plover]

well true actually

[twilit seal]

The flip has a higher attack speed than normal attack

[waxen lance]

yeah knockdown thrash combo against cera is nasty

[keen plover]

You can potentially kill a full hp cera in one knockdown

[waxen lance]

yeah, its nuts

[keen plover]

Deserved though ngl

[waxen lance]

i love that though

[faint robin]

Good to see cera dying

[waxen lance]

LOL fr

[twilit seal]

Yeah, after the strafing spar attack nerf it was deserved

I just know the new controls make noob dibbles even more free lol

[keen plover]

I'm playing troodon rn and I'm in dino poverty lmao. No food at all

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s what they built for

[faint robin]

Can't say trike is good against them tho
Should reliably defend itself, hope devs are gonna do something about it

[twilit seal]

Tbh like one flip kills any mid tier if you can actually get it

[viscid mica]

I mean it can you just have to play it a specific way and a lot of people don’t wanna play that way

[twilit seal]

I dont recommend the trash attack as it can be cancelled

[faint robin]

Need to camp shows trike is not good

[twilit seal]

If you knock something down just do running attck and go out of spar to do a normal attack, in my experience that does the most damage reliably

[viscid mica]

I completely disagree

It’s a giant slow tank of a creature

That specializes in fighting head on

[faint robin]

Trike is abused by smth like cera

[viscid mica]

Why would something that’s build for face to face be at advantage against large numbers in a open feild

[waxen lance]

cera is also just cera so

[twilit seal]

Tbh only real threat is cera

[faint robin]

You need 1 cera tho

[viscid mica]

Cera is insanely over tuned right now I’ll agree

[twilit seal]

Youre way too tanky for omnis to put a dent in you

[viscid mica]

If your losing to one cera your bad

[waxen lance]

i mean if a trike is dying to 1 cera ... yeah

[twilit seal]

We hunted a fg trike that we pounced so many times with damage for over and hour and it just quick logged in the end

[viscid mica]

Walk backwards and turn while in spar or just learn to time the alts really well

[keen plover]

Doesn't sound too insane to me lol. Most trikes lol

[faint robin]

Trike is supposed to face things to defend, its not so good at it lol
If cera gets behind

[viscid mica]

Lmao

[viscid mica]

Don’t let them get behind you

Especially if they are solo

[twilit seal]

1h14 mins to be exact, took like over 20 full stam damage pounces basically and when it tried to safe log like 10 times a lot of bites too

[waxen lance]

lol not wrong, so many are jus bad

[faint robin]

Poor dude, the bad thing its not able to kill yall too unless you mess it up

[waxen lance]

thrash spamming trikes 🙏

[twilit seal]

Other than one that accidentally pounced its face nobody died

Auto kill on the face is nice

[faint robin]

Its kinda easy to get behind trike

[keen plover]

No worry. They have a special ability to completely avoid that matchup!!!!

[twilit seal]

Not exactly out in the open lol

[keen plover]

This is why I can't wait for allo :D

So many people immediately camp vs omni that it makes it unfun

[waxen lance]

honestlyy

ive gone against trikes that instantly camp against like 2 troodons

[keen plover]

yeah. They know they can get away with it

[twilit seal]

Tbh troodons are the best at hunting trikes imo

[keen plover]

They are haha

[twilit seal]

They just are more efficient than omnis

[keen plover]

Nothing they can do about you

[faint robin]

Sadge

[keen plover]

especially at night with the new fog

[twilit seal]

Yeah new fog is really good, and they deal decent damage and very fast

[keen plover]

although it does have some issues

[waxen lance]

yeah i love hunting them as troo, the only problem ive had is the thrash hitbox sometimes gets you when ur on its hind legs

[keen plover]

yeah...

[faint robin]

I still think trike is lacking
Both visually and combat wise
It needs some adjusting in a positive way

[waxen lance]

the stam changes were a blessing tho

[twilit seal]

Oh yeah the trash hitbox when fighting them is something you have to watch out for if youre tail riding

[faint robin]

Also pouncers have a bug draining victim's stam

[twilit seal]

I also use the trash animations to bait sometimes cuz you can alt instantly after that

[waxen lance]

i dismounted off its back legs and it sniped me 😭

[twilit seal]

If you get hit mid animation

[waxen lance]

ohh interesting

[twilit seal]

Getting hit cancels the attack so you can catch them off guard

[keen plover]

attack cancels in my dino game smh

tbf maia has its own

[twilit seal]

Pounces have been cancelling alt attacks for a while now

But its not a benefit to the prey lol it saves omnis and troos

Carno alt and teno slam get cancelled instantly

[cosmic pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1114609263290101832/1385916959891394623/3584A51.MP4?ex=685a7240&is=685920c0&hm=b5e22e50ae52ab1cc52a0fb789c360587330557205e413a86490fb13147c7dd5& I feel u...

[waxen lance]

yeppp 😔😔😔

[cosmic pelican]

The thrash and the standing flip attacks hitbox covers its whole body, even its rear

[faint robin]

Trikes gonna explode w out it tbh

[keen plover]

Considering how often playables change. I wouldn't really worry about trike balancing

[faint robin]

Ehh kinda

I only worry about cera being op for what time

[keen plover]

Creatures go through balance changes when newer playables are added. Trike is a direct competitor to rex so it will need to be powerful enough to fend one off