balance-feedback-discussion

[outer storm]

Which if its true it means the devs messed up

Making an apex predator not be able to hunt anything is ridiculous

Legacy did it right

[iron tree]

it can hunt

[outer storm]

Than it needs to be faster than most herbis

Or have more stam

[iron tree]

or it just ambushes them

[outer storm]

Sure but apparently it loses that ability in adult stage

So adult needs to have some way of catching up

[elfin night]

It would be able to hunt

But naturally it would require a player with a functioning brain to work

[iron tree]

ambush =/= speed boost

just sneak up to them

[outer storm]

Thats literally what it is

[iron tree]

and it keeps its murder sprint

[outer storm]

Yea but none of that matters if rex cant catch up to the slowest of herbivores

[iron tree]

ambush = a hunting method

[elfin night]

Literally just use stealth. The map is a huge super dense jungle

Even without a speed boost, things as noisy as cera can still catch things off guard with how much damn folks age and bushes there are around in gateway

[edgy crow]

wrong

[outer storm]

If u can avoid rex by holding shift than rex is worthless

[elfin night]

If an adult rex actually cannot come up with a way of hunting other than being faster, then it doesn’t deserve to be an adult rex

[outer storm]

Nobody hangs out in jungle lol everyone is on east plains

[iron tree]

I really hope you're rage baiting right now

[elfin night]

They need to see you first

[iron tree]

east plains doesn't exist anymore

[outer storm]

Then they will move to another plains

Players dont like jungle

[outer storm]

So you are saying rex needs to hunt by... doing what exactly? Stealth?

[elfin night]

East plains are barely used as a hotspot nowadays, and even then you have other means to ambush people in the plains like going at night if it is a group that is sticking to one place or using hills are visual cover while using your third person camera to keep sight on the target

Just be skillful and strategic when playing with a goddamn rex

[elfin night]

Yeah!!!

As an adult it is meant to do that

[outer storm]

You are joking lol everyone is on east plains or highlands

[elfin night]

And that’s great because it means it will be more skillful than deino and will ensure good players are the ones who hit adulthood

[elfin night]

South plains and highlands are the titular hotspots right now

East plains is really not that used

[outer storm]

Isle doesnt work that way. Stealth is not really possible in this game

[iron tree]

yes. that's what an ambush predator is supposed to do..being stealthy

[outer storm]

Wait sry i meant south plains

[edgy crow]

That's kind of the point

[iron tree]

it is infact possible

[edgy crow]

Rex is not built for running things down

Its built for lying in wait

[outer storm]

No because the isle is third person lol you cannot "sneak up" on somebody

[edgy crow]

yes you can

[outer storm]

How?

[elfin night]

Absolutely not possible

[outer storm]

Logistically explain

[edgy crow]

Is rex can run down every herbi in the game than those herbis are worthless

[outer storm]

The herbis need to hidd

Hide*

[edgy crow]

nope

[outer storm]

Yes

[elfin night]

Visual cover, brother

Use your brain please

Third person means that you can peek someone from behind a wall but if your whole model is being covered by foliage or your target is unsuspecting then you can sneak up on them just fine

[outer storm]

Rex is taller than foliage

Also footsteps

[elfin night]

The humble crouching:

[outer storm]

You will never hunt anything by crouching lol

[elfin night]

Or using other sounds to mask your own:

[outer storm]

What?

Yall are being nonsensical at this point lol

Gotta be trolling

[iron tree]

I think you're playing the wrong isle because I ambush my prey most of the time

[outer storm]

As what a herrera lol

[elfin night]

I wouldn’t be surprised if you never get to grow or maintain a single rex

Just stick to dilo and other crutch playables 💀

[iron tree]

carno, raptor, dilo, etc.

hell, even as dibble

[outer storm]

If rex cannot hunt then no one will be able to grow a rex, and ppl will ask dondi to buff it in which case its going to be op and the cycle begins

[elfin night]

People with actual skill and awareness who are willing to try actual strategies for an approach rather than running in a straight line at someone across a field will certainly grow a Rex

And it will be warranted

[outer storm]

By the time you figure out your strategies your rex will starve lol

The best strat for rex will be cannibalizing just like deino

No hope of hunting a herbi if its slow

[elfin night]

Just stick to dilo or something

I am gonna be shocked if you cannot kill stuff with it afterwards

[outer storm]

I actually main herrera but sure lol

Ill play dilo too just to kill some herbis

[elfin night]

Stick to anything that can be used by someone who is as stubborn on using one dimensional strategies

Rex is gonna be great if anything in gateway

[outer storm]

One dimensional strategies... So.. every herbi player?

[elfin night]

Even with its speed only making it able to catch up with land deinos and stegs

[outer storm]

In that case its gonna be dead on arrival

Nobody wants to play a "predator" that has the speed of a turtle

[elfin night]

You can’t be crying and malding this much because the big badass big teeth carnivores are demanded in some cases to plan their approach

Bruh 😭

[outer storm]

Just admit ur a stego main lol

[elfin night]

I main dibble and beipi

[outer storm]

Or dibble

[elfin night]

Also galli

[outer storm]

Same principle

[elfin night]

And that doesn’t have anything to do with it

[elfin night]

Yeah man. Just wait till half of a server is playing rex and there’s adult ones running around playing efficiently

I will remember to ping you when someone gets a good ambush as an adult or something

[outer storm]

98% wont even get to adult if its too slow

[elfin night]

Apparently rex is gonna be terrible as an adult because you cannot run up to something in a straight line ignoring all of the foliage, cover and environmental advantages and strategic thinking you could use to your advantage

this is unreal

I mean you suggested buffing cera

Not that far off

[elfin night]

This is a good thing too unironically

[outer storm]

Yes

If a lion sees a deer or smth that deer aint surviving lol

Predators should be able to hunt

[elfin night]

I don’t want rex overpopulation just because little Timmy who bought the game two days ago is allowed to freely grow one of the most fierce and lethal predators to have ever existed without making any actual planning

[worthy steeple]

it is, you're just not good enough, sorry..

[edgy crow]

they will

bad predators won't be able to hunt

[outer storm]

Ppl who say stealth are making things up

Not once have I been killed by a "stealth" person

Everytime I died as a herbi is a pack of omnis or smth

No stealth involved

[iron tree]

have you ever died to a deino?

[elfin night]

You are so tragically misinformed and it is sad that you do not even realize. Felines have so much less physical stamina irl than most of the prey they target. They’re primarily

AMBUSH HUNTERS

They are capable of hunting without needing to run in a straight line at something from a hundred meters away

[outer storm]

Oh sorry I didnt know rex can hide underground

[iron tree]

foliage, rocks, etc.

[outer storm]

Less stamina but way faster

[elfin night]

And this is a great thing. If rex actually turns into something that takes that skill as an adult I will definitely try it out

[outer storm]

Yes the 6 meter rex can hide using grass lol

[elfin night]

You are underestimating animals like zebras and wildebeests so much

Big cats are fast, yes

[outer storm]

Anyways we wont know anything until rex comes out

So no point debating it now

[elfin night]

But not vastly faster than their prey and they can only keep up for a short time

hence why they need to fing sneak up on them and get the right distance

[iron tree]

rex is NOT 6 meters tall so don't come up with any excuses

[outer storm]

Yes but if rex sneaks up and is still slower than it doesnt matter lol

[outer storm]

I googled it it said 3-6 meters

[iron tree]

google says troodon is a real animal

[edgy crow]

well google is wrong

[iron tree]

Troodon doesn't even exist

[elfin night]

Not cuz human reaction time and also the acceleration of your prey matters. Even if it is slower than a maia in legacy, a rex can still ambush it there if it gets close enough due to that initial burst and accelerating quicker

And maia sprint in legacy is faster than Rex ambush

[outer storm]

Fine ill ask chatgpt then

[elfin night]

[edgy crow]

this is where I back out of the discussion, everyone else should follow lead

[worthy steeple]

deino, herrera, nightime, storm, crouch. all that helps you with the ambushes

i mean playing as deino/herrera

[elfin night]

Come back to this server when you’re 3-4 years older please

[outer storm]

Come back when u finish elementary pls

[iron tree]

"when standing upright"

[elfin night]

uses chatgpt and google searches as a way to back up takes

“Come back when u finish elementary pls”

[edgy crow]

its the godzillasaurus!

[elfin night]

This guy lol

[outer storm]

Chatgpt is never wrong

[elfin night]

Actual clueless kid, can we agree?

[iron tree]

You're falling for their rage bait

[outer storm]

Please stop embarrassing yourself

[elfin night]

Maybe

Although who knows

Thin line between what is bait or just some astronomically bad take

[outer storm]

Its an astronomical bad take to say that rex should be able to hunt? Lolol

[fierce jewel]

I kind of agree with el diablo but I honestly think you might be right
This dude also unironically said buff cera

[elfin night]

Strawman argument

[outer storm]

Go back to playing herbi pls

Ill meet u with my dilo

Gonna use the spam right click strat

[elfin night]

Said buff cera, and now is saying that rex is gonna be unable to hunt because it cannot vastly outrun its prey instead of using the super dense foliage and also things such as hills or camping at points of interest

[fierce jewel]

Yeah, this is definitely not rage bait

[outer storm]

Rex should be faster but have less stamina. Foliage cannot hide a rex enough for it to hunt consistently and not starve to death

[fierce jewel]

This dude is just thinking... different

[elfin night]

Git gud

[outer storm]

Says the herbi player lol

[elfin night]

Stick to the broken meta

You will never grow an apex or even a large mid tier like that unless it is comically overpowered

[outer storm]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-the-isle-diabloceratops-troodon-gif-4321231041878727498

[fierce jewel]

That's honestly the opposite of the truth

[elfin night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1318253469785653299/1532124863_ezgif.com-resize_1-1.gif

[elfin night]

Herbivore and omnivore gang

[fierce jewel]

[outer storm]

But your definition it probably will be "overpowered" cuz devs usually listen to feedback

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message can we discuss

[outer storm]

And dondi likes op rex

[fierce jewel]

I'd say yes but Ik nothing about maiasaura in the game sooooo...

[hasty coyote]

the issue there is that you would have to nerf rex's stam SO much that it would just feel abysmal, or it ends up just killing things the moment they get anywhere near, let alone an actual ambush.

Plus, you either vastly overestimate rex's size, or vastly underestimate the size of our bushes. Some bushes can conceal a whole stego, let alone a crouching rex, and rex has a LOW crouch from what we have seen.

[elfin night]

If dondi likes op rex that much, why was it one of the most well balanced carnivores in the latest legacy update the game was left in?

If anything giga was more broken and had more one sided matchups

[outer storm]

If rex is slower than no amount of stealth will work because the prey will be able to just press shift. Unless they are standing still lol

[outer storm]

I agree it was balanced in legacy

[elfin night]

As a (kinda) aspiring maia main, I refrained from voting because I do not really think this is what it needs. That speed combined with massive size needed some drawback to not be turned into an oppressive inescapable force.

I prefer the idea of making the movement just smoother and fixing stuff like the stance bug, as maia can still be not that lacking in terms of agility if you keep swapping stances

[edgy crow]

I would make the acceleration mandatory so it still has that weakness

[elfin night]

This

I literally can ambush deinos as stego in water access and stego cannot even crouch

[outer storm]

Another reason why stego op

[hasty coyote]

thats... the point of an ambush. Unless you're hunting something tiny like omni who can accelerate and turn instantly, there is a solid amount of time you have to close the gap before they can turn and shift+w. Especially since rex is getting some form of murder sprint that does make it faster than usual, it doesnt need to just outrun most things. Especially when it has the capability to just hunt stuff that are slower, like trike and stego. Rex doesnt need to be faster than things 1/3rd of its size, because things 1/3rd of its size need ways to escape and wont even feed rex that much.

[edgy crow]

mandatory as in if you swap to quad mode while running in biped mode, the biped mode acceleration is reset

[elfin night]

I guess deinos being somewhat unaware or lacking object permanence after 20 minutes is a stego issue guys

Too op that I exploit the fact that some people think it’s too ridiculous for a stego to have remained idle and quiet behind some bushes at night for 15 minutes

Nerf steg 🙏

[edgy crow]

making stego take 33x damage to the head is the solution according to #general-feedback (I think)

[hasty coyote]

Personally, maia's movement is fine. All it needs is for its alt attacks to start faster and probably a slight decrease on stam costs and its fine.

[elfin night]

Saw it once and I cried

[iron tree]

how the hell is a slow apex herbivore OP?

[elfin night]

Someone saying stego should get 2-3 shot by ceras even without charge bite if it got hit in the head

[hasty coyote]

reminds me of the one guy who said deino should 1-shot a brachi to the head

[elfin night]

And of course the stance switching bug/increase switching speed. With all of that it would probably be a more solid pick

[elfin night]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[hasty coyote]

oh yeah that too

[elfin night]

The movement per se as in moving from one place to the other I think it’s fine

Main gripe for me after 10-12 maias is the static movements

Like alt attacks, stance switching and everything that isn’t tied directly to your dinosaur moving somewhere else

[outer storm]

Rex atleast needs to have 5 seconds of "sprint burst" from crouching. Its too easy for everyone to just shift W

This makes it more interesting because then herbis can avoid rex by just paying attention to their surroundings

And if herbis are asleep then rex will kill, it seems fair to me

[edgy crow]

...WHAT

[elfin night]

x100 damage multiplier to the head of brachi I guess

[iron tree]

it should be easy! Why would you wanna reward the rex for screwing up

[edgy crow]

good luck hitting it

[elfin night]

And why wouldn’t this be the case if rex needs to get close and is not faster than its prey?

Growing a Rex should be hard, just like keeping it. It is meant to be very much the strongest thing in the entire full carnivore faction, and a land ambusher would be far more fair and fun to play as than deinosuchus

[outer storm]

If a rex gets within 20 meters undetected thats already good enough and he deserves the kill

[iron tree]

do you know how far 20 meters are?

[outer storm]

"Meant to be the strongest thing" well its not going to the be strongest thing at all if it cant hunt to sustain itself

[rotund grotto]

isnt 20 just slightly more than a rex's lenght? xD

[outer storm]

What are you saying by this??

[iron tree]

rex should have a quiet crouch for its size but it should not just win when it gets close

[iron tree]

20 meters are incredibly far for an ambush predator of this size

[outer storm]

Yes

[iron tree]

lemme send you the GIF of a rex ambushing 2 dibbles

[outer storm]

You are joking right? In real life 100 meters is good enough for an ambush

[hasty coyote]

It has been confirmed to get some form of "murder sprint" on top of regular sprint thats faster. We just dont know what the limitations of it are. But I'm still of the opinion that rex doesnt need an insane speed increase for an ambush to work. Just making rex like 35 kph for like 5 seconds makes it as fast as diablo, which is just instant death for anything bigger than diablo but smaller than rex. And personally, I dislike there just being a "instant death" range where one playable will just kill another if they step within like 30 meters of the other

[iron tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-t-rex-rex-diabloceratops-gif-13308571214103444922

[outer storm]

This is an unrealistic scenario. First of all no player just looks forward all the time, second of all he would hear the footsteps

[iron tree]

💀 real life animals get really close. 1-2 meters can result in a lost hunt

[outer storm]

Not true watch bbc channel on how lions hunt

[hasty coyote]

IRL is a horrible comparison because irl isnt fair in the slightest. This is a game, it has to be fair or people just stop playing the weaker dinos.

[iron tree]

it was an ability showcase and rex can just hide in a bush

[outer storm]

The devs literally said the game isnt meant to be fair its supposed to be a realistic ecosystem

[iron tree]

and lions crawl as close as possible before they strike

they don't just charge at their prey

• lions are pack hunters

[outer storm]

Exactly itd a showcase which is why it shouldnt be used as an example lol

[outer storm]

Thats literally what they do

They got close and charge

[iron tree]

very close

[outer storm]

Not really

[iron tree]

we are talking about 2 meters

[outer storm]

Dude stop

Just go watch bbc and stop saying ignorant things

[iron tree]

I am not ignorant and please do not use stuff on the internet as source. Books are way better

[outer storm]

They literally show footage of lion hunting

[elfin night]

books and academic articles

[outer storm]

What are you on about

[iron tree]

folks

[outer storm]

Yall gotta be trolling i swear

[iron tree]

you're literally trolling man

[outer storm]

This discord has to be a joke

"2 meters" lmao

No wonder the devs barely listen to us

[iron tree]

how else are animals supposed to strike? magically fly at them? 😭

[outer storm]

What? We were talking about ambush distance

[elfin night]

this guy's just too dumb or most likely immature to even consider that he may be wrong about something

Asking to buff cera, saying rex wont be able to hunt if it cannot outrun its prey and also using google's first result and chatgpt as source

[elfin night]

🪞

[iron tree]

I know

[outer storm]

Nah this is crazy

[elfin night]

prolly some 14yo

[outer storm]

Im surrounded by redditors

Getting ambushed over here

[elfin night]

just stick to playables a toddler can understand till you reach the latter stages of puberty /hj

like dilo

or herra on a basic camping level

[outer storm]

I can tell your younger than 15 just by that sentence haha

[iron tree]

I did not suggest to make rex faster than dibble

[outer storm]

You suggest rex be slower than all herbis which is crazy

[iron tree]

I shall play no man's sky now as this argument is getting a bit too heated

[outer storm]

Same

[iron tree]

I literally never claimed that. Rex should be faster than apex herbivores, but they should be stronger

[outer storm]

Well someone did maybe not u but prolly the other guy

[elfin night]

haven't you even considered the viability of a strategy like sitting in some bushes or right around the corner of a patrol zone near a herd? or sneaking up on an ongoing fight to third party?

Rex is gonna need more brainpower than w+shift or hit trading which is a great thing

[elfin night]

didnt either lol

[iron tree]

If rex requires skill I'll play it

[elfin night]

rex is gonna be faster than steg and Im fine with that

[outer storm]

This works in real life because predators can wait for days on end, but in the isle your hunger drains in less than 30 minutes

[elfin night]

same, and I like how it looks. Deino but not trash or confined into a tiny space with cannibals you have no chance to escape them

[prime wagon]

well it wont so gg

[elfin night]

this is so fake. Most adults take like an hour, and deino with efficient digestion takes almost 2 hours. 2 whole hours before stomach hits red

[iron tree]

yes

[elfin night]

canni trike is my pick then

[sage steeple]

Nerf cera insta vomit

[kind hollow]

Put Rex on Trike diet

[elfin night]

mfw the deterrent to fight it head on is indeed a good deterrent

(as something that gets vomit in one hit)

[sage steeple]

Meh. Running around with a charge bite then missing but being able to insta vomit right after is a bit much

At least have a few seconds in between

[hasty coyote]

They don't balance things in the same way as most games, true. The game is balanced around SURVIVAL, rather than a fair fight. That means everything has to have a consistent survival strategy. Cant fight? run. Cant run? fight. Cant do either? use a gimmick to escape. Dont have any of these? then you just die on the spot. And no one wants to play a game where they can just die on the spot with no counter play and lose hours of progress.

Best example we got right now is pachy, it has some horrendous matchups where it has to play perfect just to survive. Which is why you generally see so few of them. No one wants to play fodder. At the opposite side, we have cera, who is actually insanely strong since it can abuse a lot of the op mutations. As such, it can survive easily and run around killing most things. As such, you see them everywhere. However, even ceras are easily escaped by the things it bullies and bullied by the things that cant escape.

So if you make rex faster than the things that stand no chance, they dont have a consistent method of escape. So they become fodder, which means you just made a large chunk of the roster as unpopular as pachy. Because why would you play a diablo if a rex that was 100 meters away just kills you on sight?

[elfin night]

well said

[outer storm]

I mostly agree BUT, saying that if rex is faster than dibble, dibble wont be able to survive is not true. Herbivores dont need to hunt, they can hide in a jungle all their life and eat bushes. Hiding is the best way for herbis (even rigjt now) to survive and same in the wild in real life. A deer doesnt go looking for wolves to fight with, it just hides, and uses its speed to evade predators, BUT if a pack of wolves get too close, the deer is dead because it cannot outrun them

[elfin night]

as in surviving, they clearly mean surviving the MATCHUP

it is assumed

[outer storm]

Why should a diablo survive a matchup against the apex predator? That certainly is not the case in real life

[elfin night]

and just avoiding all matchups by never being spotted is not something you can do forever consistently and isnt very fun

[outer storm]

Its realistic that way, and its still fun. If anything it would make the isle more of a "horror" game

I want to play diablo and be terrified of hearing a rex roar. Not just be indifferent knowing I can shift W at any moment to evade the apex predator

[elfin night]

by matchup we are talking about an encounter where a creature can fight or just run away. Ofc all herbis and omnivores can survive alone hiding and eating plants, but all stats and balance changes are built around the idea of gicing them a chance to fight or flee when they find another player, including other plant eaters if they turn hostile

[outer storm]

It should be different with the APEX predator

Making cera a better hunter than rex would be wild

[hasty coyote]

Except the herbivores in this game do have to leave the forests. Diablo's migration zones are pretty much ALL out in the open: highlands, swamp, and coastal (which seems to be rare). So all rex needs out of its ambush ability is to just be slightly faster for a bit. Because you also need to consider that diablo is still 1/3rd the size of rex, and if rex can outrun a diablo and catch it from 20m away like you were saying, what about everything sized between diablo and rex? those are going to be slower but still just slaughtered just as bad, if not worse due to having a smaller speed gap.

[elfin night]

it is not fun to hypothetically stand no chance and inevitably die if you didnt manage to stay 100 meters away from something that kills you in one or two hits. All playables here cost THOUSANDS of dollars to the devs and they spend literal hundreds of hours working on them, so they should all be viable creatures with some agency and viability instead of being 20 differently shaped types of fodder that stand no chance when the more popular stompy carni pulls up

[outer storm]

I would agree except migration zones are completely irrelevant. In fact if anything migration zones almost never have food in them. Patrol zones are the new meta

[hasty coyote]

again, irl isnt fair. And just because its THE APEX, doesnt mean it should invalidate the majority of the roster.

[elfin night]

and it just wouldnt work in a game with this much punishment either

[hasty coyote]

To be fair, patrols are def overtuned and have been stated to not have food in them in the future.

[outer storm]

If no food then what are they gonna be for

[outer storm]

Well it should. The rest of the roster needs to avoid rex, not be indifferent to it. They will need to spread out and plan their routes carefully. Again if rex is slower than no strategy matters for herbis because they can shift W

[hasty coyote]

we dont exactly know and the devs arent telling us yet. But we know they will have a use.

[elfin night]

maias are so much faster than ceras from the moment they spawn, and still they are not indifferent to them. You're in for a bad time if you get ambushed by two or more as an average player on maia. Maybe you can do something as a more experienced but otherwise you're cooked

You can still be a threat by playing properly and mindfully against faster prey

unless of course someone is just bad at the game or has terrible planning abilities or problem solving...

Which by then, why even trying to play this game that encourages good game sense and awareness?

also, stuff like rain and masking your sound exist. Rain could easily muffle an approaching rex even while it is running, and some rivers, waterfalls or homies talking in chat completely unsuspecting could do the same effect

[hasty coyote]

Again, I'm saying rex should be slower than the herivores who are much smaller than it, aka the ones who NEED to be able to run away just to survive. If they arent even given the chance, people will just stop playing them, which means res STILL doesnt get to hunt them lol. Even if rex is much slower, they will def still run and avoid a rex because you dont want to stay around a rex because that puts you at risk of just dying the moment you take your eyes off it. Think like pachy vs cera. Smaller dinos should require an ambush to catch, which is something rex can do. Also stuff like trike and stego should be slower than rex, but have the capability to fight back. So it isnt like rex has NOTHING to hunt, it just requires an ambush on smaller targets, or to win a fight against larger ones. Like literally EVERY OTHER CARNIVORE.

[outer storm]

I see your point and it shouldnt be too fast I agree, but it needs to have SOMETHING to catch up to prey, atleast some speed burst mechanic

[elfin night]

it's getting that provisionally

latest devblog said so

sub rex and older are getting a short ambush speed boost, although it will be removed if it is too problematic

[hasty coyote]

A mechanic like that is confirmed and called murder sprint, but it’s going to need limitations so that it’s not op. But it’s coming soon so we shall see if it ends up being balanced in the slightest, or if Rex is the only dinosaur we will see for months.

[viscid mica]

Talk about new players to the isle

So many new Pepe’s on the balance

So many of the same stuff

[minor axle]

If ambush sprint was made so that it can only be regained on close to full stamina and activated with a high amount of stam (maybe above 80) that could help to ensure it is only used both once and early on (which fits it being an ambushing tool). Especially if it’s burns more stamina than usual.

[faint timber]

Do we know how much damage Adult Trex does or has it been announced?

[elfin night]

no, but it is not rocket science to assume it's gonna deal some really nasty raw damage

with relatively minor bleed

[faint timber]

horde test eu 1 adult denio eu 2 adult stego I hope they won't be deleted I will prepare a surprise for them when the trike arrives

[elfin night]

I wouldnt bother with trike as any of those in a 1v1

[faint timber]

3 adult stego

Heh we'll try our luck

[elfin night]

maybe if trike is vulnerable to cc and there's coordination

otherwise trike might as well knock them over and destroy them with the face damage reduction too

[faint timber]

Yes, probably all three of us will die, but we will try our luck. Maybe Denio will die in 4 or 5 hits, like he did.

I hope the dinosaurs won't be deleted when the trike is activated, otherwise everything will be in vain

[elfin night]

I mean

other than rex, another trike, a bunch of stegs, VERY good groups ceras/dilos/omnis or a pair of deinos as it crosses the water...Why even bother attacking a full adult triceratops

they wont be deleted unless they accept that's a possibility if they fight and make a mistake

just like stego currently

[faint timber]

yes denio trike probably can't kill but i'll give it a try if i get too close to losing i'll run away and never try again but trex i'll probably dive at him to death

[faint timber]

You may have misunderstood what I meant. I meant to say that when trike is activated, all existing dinosaurs are deleted. I mean, adult stego etc. are reset?

[elfin night]

oh no

I dont think so

will probably just pop up in the list of herbis to select

just like how balance changes or reworks on existing dinos dont reset everything else

[faint timber]

Do you want me to send you a photo when I kill a nice trike?

[elfin night]

sure

just ping when it happens

[minor axle]

#balance-feedback message

@outer storm beipi dies to a light breeze. It’s theoretically dangerous attacks aren’t that deadly to most creatures because it can be stopped

Even tiny deinos can defeat them since in the water grabbing us pretty dang easy, and might as well count as a one shot

[outer storm]

Deino yes but I just got 3 shot as a full grown omni by a beepy so its OP

[minor axle]

Beipi is basically a little theri. It’s meant to be a mini glass cannon. Omni can easily choose to avoid it too, since Omni is significantly faster than it is.

[outer storm]

Well yea but I was drinking water

[edgy crow]

should've pinned it from the back

omni one shots beipi with pin

[minor axle]

This seems less like a dino specific issue and more like an unfortunate ambush.

Beipi is the least dangerous of the 3 drinking related threats (herra and deino, though technically anyone could ambush you when drinking) so you likely would have died anyways

[random stump]

show me a video then buster

if its so easy, show me one

[outer storm]

Ok but a duck 3 shotting a utah is crazy

[edgy crow]

Not really... those claws are massive

[worthy steeple]

you can insta pin it

[outer storm]

Still in real life it would take like a solid 10

[dusky surge]

we losing to beipis now?

[minor axle]

I’m pretty sure Omni can like 2 shot beipi.

[dusky surge]

lmao

[edgy crow]

in real life it would take ONE to the neck

[worthy steeple]

ikr crazy stuff

[outer storm]

In real life utah can 1 shot beepy so

[edgy crow]

it can in game as well... with pin...

[dusky surge]

well this isn't utah, it's omni, and omni isnt in real life

[edgy crow]

and that

[outer storm]

Ok but what if you are drinking water and cannot finish the animation fast enough

[dusky surge]

lol

[minor axle]

Yeah, and Utah can 1-2 shot beipis (depending on growths level, subadult beipi barely becomes heavy enough to survive one basic fg Omni bite)

[edgy crow]

too bad lmao

[outer storm]

Still its crazy thats its almost an even match up

[dusky surge]

its not

[minor axle]

That sounds more like the quitting animations need to be quickened

[dusky surge]

its heavily raptor-sided

[edgy crow]

its not, you just got ambushed where you're at a disadvantage (the water)

[dusky surge]

2 bites or a single pounce = no more beipi

pretty sure a bite to the head also does it

65 x 1.5 > 90

[outer storm]

3 claw and no more utah

[outer storm]

Yes

[dusky surge]

imma be honest how tf did you lose your omni to that? did it alt-bite or something

[outer storm]

Actually it wasnt me it was my friend I was playing with we were drinking water and my friend thought he could kill the beepy but the beepy 3 shot him and I ran

[dusky surge]

YOU SAW THE BEIPI

[minor axle]

My point is that in this scenario it wouldn’t have mattered what hit you, the issue seems to be you couldn’t leave the animation fast enough, making it an entirely Omni side issue.

[dusky surge]

It wasn't even an ambush????

[edgy crow]

THEN WHY DID YOU SAY THIS

YOU SAID YOU GOT THREE SHOT BY A BEIPI

[dusky surge]

its called lying duh

[outer storm]

To make my point easier to understand

Not me but same principle

[edgy crow]

WELL HE'S BAD

[outer storm]

Its feedback lol

[edgy crow]

HE SHOULD'VE PINNED IT

[dusky surge]

was the beipi in the water?

[outer storm]

Well I tried to save him but 1 shot from the beepy made my screen red so I ran

[outer storm]

Yes

Then the duck started chasing

[dusky surge]

dont jump in the water after a beipi lol it's gonna clown on you

also tf kinda beipi are you fighting that instantly puts you to red lol

[outer storm]

Well its not obvious given that it looks harmless

[dusky surge]

it has claws and you're terrestrial lmao

this is a real f around and find out moment

[minor axle]

Beipi attacks pretty quick, herras don’t seem to respect that. I’ve whacked a few that underestimated my power.

[outer storm]

Well I THOUGHT that the feared utah raptor would easily outmatch a duck but i guess i was wrong

[worthy steeple]

💀💀💀

[edgy crow]

ARE YOU SERIOUS

[dusky surge]

given you lose

speed
agility
the ability to pounce
the ability to jump
the ability to alt-bite

while in the water, uh, yea maybe not a great idea

[edgy crow]

-the ability to alt-bite

not if you're allo apparently

[dusky surge]

the feared utah raptor becomes notably less frightening when its struggling to stay afloat

[outer storm]

Well in real life a utah would still be able to kill a beepy in the water just by biting its neck once

[worthy steeple]

the chat is wild today

[dusky surge]

in real life, beipi would be able to kill raptor in one hit because in real life beipi towered over raptor

[minor axle]

Beipi can submerge. Utah would lose the family jewels and have to go out like a dishonored samurai

[edgy crow]

OMNI DOESN'T EXIST

BUT IF IT DID, THE BEIPI WOULD CLAW ITS NECK ONCE AND IT'D BLEED OUT AND DIE

[outer storm]

Well the raptor would be able to just bite him once and the beepy would bleed out and die so

[dusky surge]

here is a real life beipi :)

good luck raptor, this thing stands taller than yutyrranus

[edgy crow]

was the original beipi fossil a juvenile or something?

[dusky surge]

seems that way

[outer storm]

This is the thing im complaining about tho

[dusky surge]

top tip: dont bring up realism in isle conversations. realism is a dead argument here

[edgy crow]

that's a pretty... inexpected result

[outer storm]

In real life it makes sense but in the isle the beepy looks like a duck so it doesnt make sense for it to have the attack power of an apex predator

[dusky surge]

it doesn't lol

you just got slapped around for entering its waters

[outer storm]

More like instant death for drinking water in the vicinity of the terrifying beepy

[dusky surge]

beipi is designed to be a creature that's highly territorial and aggressive to any land animal that dares dive in its home

[minor axle]

There is a difference between drinking and entering water.

[edgy crow]

kilo for kilo beipi is one of if not the strongest low tier

it literally one shots itself with alt attack its that powerful

[dusky surge]

your friend apparently thought the beipi would be an easy meal and jumped in to catch it as i recall. that's a bad move

[outer storm]

Well my friend was drinking till the beepy attacked him and then the beepy ran so he dived in to finish it but got 2 shot

[minor axle]

It’s the most glass cannon playable as is

[minor axle]

He got baited. Beipi wants to fight in the water where it can glide like a dolphin

[edgy crow]

wait that makes me sound american... pretend I said kilo for kilo

[dusky surge]

your friend fell for the oldest bait in the book

[stark knoll]

Follow the threat into the environment that neuters you and boosts it

Masterful gambit sir

[outer storm]

Freedom units better

[edgy crow]

wasn't very smart of him was it

[dusky surge]

had you'd stayed on land, beipi wouldn't had done jack squat

but you followed it into its preferred environment

[outer storm]

Well the beepy started chasing me right after

I had to run to another river to get water

[dusky surge]

if it followed you on land why didn't you kill it lol

[outer storm]

Between beepies and crocs it feels like drinking water is gauranteed death tbh

[dusky surge]

it's got poor agility and speed on land

[outer storm]

Well I was red health

If I missed pounce it would have been over

Slain by a duck

[minor axle]

Crocs can’t access a large portion of the water locations. Abs beipis can technically better access some but practically don’t.

[outer storm]

They always in south plains

And highlands lake

[minor axle]

West rail access is always croc free and I’m the only beipi I’ve seen there. And west rail is usually croc free. Both are fairly close so just drink there (but watch out for herras)

South plains is usually super busy so I’m not surprised.

[outer storm]

Yeah but west rail is a dead zone no food in sight so I always go to south plains or highlands

Also unrelated but when trike anyone got any predictions

[minor axle]

West rail access (even safer, and just north) has probably the highest ai concentration. And if it’s otherwise dead that makes it safer.

West access if you want food head to the plains west of it, usually at least one ai. And if you go further the beach has turtles.

[outer storm]

Tbh I didnt play for a couple of weeks and last I played the ai didnt exist so if that changed thats great then

[random stump]

in real life it would take one

[minor axle]

The ai has been present at west rail access (north westernmost) lake for awhile, but you had to go north/west from it, it doesn’t spawn much on the lake hills

[random stump]

and then you would die of infection in a day or two

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message is this bait

[dusky surge]

hysterically no

literally got 2v1ed as raptors by a single beipi

[edgy crow]

literally this

[dusky surge]

at least the mono is smaller and weaker than a raptor LMAO

[crimson crater]

raptor players are beyond salvation

[dusky surge]

"raptor needs buffs it can't kill anything"

raptor players in question LMAO

[edgy crow]

they have all the tools in the game to be VERY strong, they're just not good enough to use them

like I don't doubt that a very good pack of raptors could take down a rex or trike

omni players are just

[crimson crater]

they’re like a hive-mind, always come up with some bizarre takes

[worthy steeple]

you won’t believe this, but this is not bait.

[slim dragon]

Oh by the replicator
I missed SO MUCH eat grass and die while I was asleep

[severe grail]

Yeah but what about Herras who can't even drop on people because none of the hotspots have good trees in busy areas.
besides South plains sanctuary but ganking juvis is lame.

[outer storm]

Hey I never asked for raptor buffs I just asked for beepy nerfs

If your gonna quote me do it right

[crimson crater]

that does not make it any better lmao

[severe grail]

Sorry but a steg shouldnt be able to get bled by multiple raptors and survive long enough, to get eaten by a crocodile.

Raptor bleed is a joke.,

[outer storm]

Beepy is literally unkillable how is that not a more common take

It can evade anything and 3 shot most animals

Completely broken

[severe grail]

Yeah but people actually have to play as beepy.

meme dino.

[edgy crow]

jesus christ

[severe grail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-kaperoo-pterodactylus-worthless-gif-25321517

[edgy crow]

ok, go up to a dilo and 3 shot it

go up to a cera and 3 shot it

I dare you

[shadow vortex]

Just run away from the water and Beepi is useless lol. Let the duck have its sharp claws for little pesky Deinos and Austros, as it seems like the higher breach is forbidden by definition

[outer storm]

So true

Although does not apply to beepy. Beepy is not worthless at all. If anything beepy is crazy good

-Infinite food
-Insane swim speed
-Decent land speed (enough to get to water)
-Alt left click is a nuke
-Is also fun to play

[dusky surge]

oh i wasnt quoting you

[crimson crater]

wouldn’t say that 32kmh is decent

[dusky surge]

i never understood this "meme dino" thing

beipi is exceptionally capable and fun, there's nothing wrong with it besides people just thinking that small = bad

[severe grail]

It's not that small = bad, it's that dryo, hypsi and beepy don't have a purpose in the roster other than being food for eachother and juveniles.

[edgy crow]

literally outrun by a dibble

"decent land speed"

[severe grail]

Troodons too to an extent but they are at least scavengers.

[edgy crow]

they're not

[dusky surge]

thats just untrue lol

[edgy crow]

troos are big game pack hunters

[severe grail]

yeah but you need to be skilled enough or not be lagy so you don't TK eachother and also be on voice comms.

It's far easier to play them as scavengers with the state of pouncing.

[severe grail]

How is it not? people say that but don't give an argument.

Name what Dryo is useful for.

or Hypsi.

what niche do they fill?

[slim dragon]

What niche do any other herbivore fill apart from being food for larger animals ?

[severe grail]

Exactly so why play something small when you can play a steg and not get eaten?

[minor axle]

Beipi is extremely killable, it’s the definition of a glass cannon. If it gets hit it is either on deaths door, or dead. Hell, most of the time I don’t see my attacker (if they ambush me) since the death screen plays so quickly

[edgy crow]

why play a small carni when you can play a big carni that can hunt more?

small carnis are equally as useless according to you

[slim dragon]

Why play the game at all when you can not play the game and not get eaten ?

[minor axle]

I mean, yeah troodon is useless

[severe grail]

Carnivores are active, herbis sit afk half their gameplay and can't starve.

[dusky surge]

while it's true dryo and hypsi lack a niche (something they still need remedied with climbing and burrows), beipi is an entirely unique playstyle that provides an entirely unique form of movement

and when dryo and hypsi GET that niche, there's no argument for it besides "i hate small things"

[minor axle]

Literally never even felt remotely threatened by troodons. If they were removed I probably wouldn’t notice the change

[minor axle]

Hypsi gets to spit in your eye. This actually is decent useful when combod with a campaign rock and stronger herbi, since it helps deter attacks (I experienced this with a hypsi dibble team at the rocks on the south plains waterfall)

The cliff and dibble threat also made the blindness a lot more worrying

[dusky surge]

also troodon is super strong in the right hands imma be honest a lot of people just dont know how to use it

[severe grail]

Most people don't. it's raptor with less HP and the same issues (bad pounce)

and crap stam

[edgy crow]

it doesn't need any stupid stam sucking mechanic

[dusky surge]

troodon has crazy good stam idk why people keep saying this lol

i play a ton of troo idk where this argument comes from

[severe grail]

My point is that there's no real incentive to play these dinos other than "haha cute funny baby" (or cheesy stuff like using hypsi spit to deathsquad carnivores.)

[edgy crow]

there's no incentive for YOU to play those dinos

plenty of find incentive to play small guys

I love beipi personally

just because you can't find incentive doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[severe grail]

I do play them. For fun. But I don't pretend they're valuable to the gameplay.

[minor axle]

Beipi is the far more enjoyable aquatic. It’s also very pretty.

Short growth times is also an incentive so I don’t have to spend all week growing it just to die of a slight fall

[edgy crow]

ok so fun is the incentive, just like every other playable

[severe grail]

Ig uess? most people ignore you if you're small you just get to run around doing random stuff.

[slim dragon]

If they're fun, then they're valuable to the gameplay

[dusky surge]

i think they provide more value than a lot of other dinos

[slim dragon]

The Isle is a game, therefore its main goal is to provide fun to its players.
Some people like to stare blankly at their screen and do absolutely nothing for hours on end, that's why deino exists

Some people like to sit and do cringe RP in chat, that's why omniraptor exists

Different playstyles for different types of players

[minor axle]

Every deino seems to be interested in attacking beipis, no matter how futile/foolish the attack is (be it small enough for the beipi to kill them or exposing themself so bigger herbis know they are there)

And given the chat earlier, apparently some Omnis chase you into water as well xd

[severe grail]

That's boredom and starvation, but that's a mechanics issue (broken water mutations makes dinos not need water, camera glitch to see through water, hotspots being away from easily accessible water sources) and broken water AI spawns.

[minor axle]

I also find herras commonly believe they can face tank beipis. They usually realize their mistake too late

[severe grail]

As a Herra if you're facee tanking anything you're doing it wrong.

[minor axle]

They assume it’s an easy meal so try to shirk the effort. And pay for it

[severe grail]

I only made that mistake once when i first startedplaying.

[slim dragon]

Let's be honest, even when there weren't water mutations, deino was already boring, because people would drink in safe spots
It's just boring by design

[severe grail]

At least with the safe spots there's a chance - when nobody's drinking you're just starving.

[edgy crow]

deino needs more swimmy things to be entertaining

after all, crocs do not mainly ambush things off the shore

they are built for killing things underwater, like fish and turtles

[severe grail]

it's an ambush player that has no opportunities to ambush

[minor axle]

It also doesn’t really have a metabolism for ambushing

[severe grail]

If it was primarily for underwater, it wouldn't have the lunge attack.

Yeah it needs to be rebalanced.

[edgy crow]

which works underwater

[dusky surge]

i think the best and most enjoyable playables are the small ones. never will understand this narrative of "small useless"

[slim dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-dominion-gif-14791728977531991158

[severe grail]

Because the majority of the roster is too big for you to matter.

[dusky surge]

if you remove the little guys, then someone else becomes the little guys

[minor axle]

The majority of the roster isn’t that big rn.

[edgy crow]

use the proper one

[slim dragon]

Imagine when humans are added people will say they're useless because they're too small to interact with

[dusky surge]

yup

[severe grail]

I mean, the difference between teh smallest dino and even a herra is quite large.

[edgy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1343870124997869568/biggest.gif

[dusky surge]

and the difference between herrera and omni is quite large

[severe grail]

yeah but a herra has a chance of killing an omni solo (or escaping one)

apart from hypsi because they're like 300km/h

[dusky surge]

so does a beipi apparently

[edgy crow]

[severe grail]

which shouldn't be happening.

[dusky surge]

and yet it does

so beipi isnt meaningless or ineffectual clearly

[severe grail]

Maybe they should let Beipis eat corpses.

[minor axle]

Beipi is the best ocean explorer (and basically only viable ocean creature), so actually my reab-salt-swim speed beipi is the apex predator of the isle’s sea

[severe grail]

and then it would justify their murderous tendency.

[dusky surge]

why lol

[edgy crow]

no

[severe grail]

it wa s ajoke.

because they seem to be apex predators.

[minor axle]

They terrify crabs fr fr

[slim dragon]

Imagine needing to nerf beipi because it can kill one omni (which ironically people complain is a oneshot for everything in the roster because they're sooo squishy) in its own environment after said omni decided to try to follow it in the water to kill it

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message sorry, but thats whole gallis thing, the only thing you can do is hide, if it sees a juvie it kills a juvie

the fight itself is not fair at all ahah, you can only avoid it, gallis are rare and its only the fresh spawns they're effective at killing

tho i once killed a fg carno as a galli... that was funny

[minor axle]

Galli should get a 1/1000 chance to trip and snap it’s silly long neck whenever it sprints. Would be very funny

[dusky surge]

make it allo and agreed

as a reference to the famous film, ballad of big al

where allo trips and falls and dies trying to catch a dryo

[worthy steeple]

but tbf we got another and this time real problem with the galli. them running in huge packs and killing lone dilos or omnis, its just impossible to survive that lmao, cant outrun, cant fight back.

but no one really pays attention to that because almost nobody plays as galli lmao hehe

well good for me, had a lot of fun doing that

[worthy steeple]

deserved.

[minor axle]

Turns out the way to balance galli is by making it so no one plays it

[slim dragon]

It applies to anything remotely fast who can form big packs
Did you know there is even a species designed to not leave a single chance to a slower prey when dogpiling it ?

[worthy steeple]

lmao i guess, but once people realize what they can do with the galli theres no way back

[worthy steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1209905095433650186/melon.gif

the difference is how easy it is to sustain the galli pack and the speed.

[minor axle]

Ive never encountered a galli player that wasn’t evil. But they lack large skulls, so no surprise

[edgy crow]

galli... overpowered????

[worthy steeple]

if im omni and i see 8 carnos running after me i have multiple escape plans. it could be river i can cross, it could jump on a rock, in case of galli theres nothing that can save you

[minor axle]

A herra could. Summon the air strike

[worthy steeple]

real

[minor axle]

Little did the Galli know that my friend was a quetza

[edgy crow]

obviously the solution is to make galli incapable of dealing damage

[worthy steeple]

IT IS almost NO ONE realizes that, like actually. you should try that, just find some gallis, form a decent pack and run around the map killing everything with no issues AHAHAH

[minor axle]

We should make galli spontaneously combust

[worthy steeple]

i think that could be one of the reasons they removed gallis bleed

i like the way galli is, if they nerf it i will cry

[edgy crow]

that's the risk you run with making a decently sized playable faster than literally everything

[worthy steeple]

yes

[severe grail]

I was FG herra and it kicked me off a tree.

[worthy steeple]

it cant do that tho

[severe grail]

i can if I'm resting.

or standing on a branch

[worthy steeple]

can anyone confirm that? never happened to me

[worthy steeple]

were you on HT?

[severe grail]

Oh sorry meant to say WHAT if not not can, tired.

I thought I was on a tree? maybe I wasnt.

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-birthday-andrew-smile-gif-13253995

[severe grail]

never drunk dino.

[worthy steeple]

i wont, thank you

[severe grail]

Still, it decks a herra on the ground, it cant get up before getting kicked again and it dies lol

[worthy steeple]

as it should tbf

[severe grail]

I guess it's punishment if you miss a leap.

Still not fun if it happens when you're drinking and suddenly you're dead.

[worthy steeple]

ahah fair

[severe grail]

I'd be less upset if it were a croc lo

[worthy steeple]

lol

[crimson crater]

it can

[severe grail]

Stands to reason if a Raptor can pounce a herra that's on a branch a galli can kick one out.

[minor axle]

How would the galli reach a branch? Or is it able to shake the whole tree?

[worthy steeple]

is that something new?

[keen plover]

no

[severe grail]

Jumping off something.

Some of the trees near west access pond are near enough to cliffs that galli can kick you on the tree then land in the water.

[crimson crater]

no, anything that can stun can do that

[worthy steeple]

wait, are we talking about herrera standing on the branch and getting kicked by galli somehow? i can only see that happening if the branch is really close to the ground

[severe grail]

or if the tree is near a ledge for the galli to get air from.

[keen plover]

pretty much

[worthy steeple]

oh that’s what you meant

[minor axle]

Thats legitimately hilarious. Yeah I know that tree. Right by the bumpy hills

[severe grail]

yeah never going near that again.

[worthy steeple]

i thought you meant they can shake you off the tree

[minor axle]

The pair of very out of place looking trees that always seem to have a herra

[severe grail]

yes.,

[minor axle]

(All the other trees at the lake are palms but those two)

[crimson crater]

just jump to another tree if you see it coming

[severe grail]

I was watching something on my 2nd monitor I wasn't expecting a flippin galli to Bruce Lee off the cliff next to me.

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[severe grail]

The Isle became Mortal Kombat for a second.

[minor axle]

The galli believed he could fly, stretch his wings and touch the sky

[severe grail]

If Galli could fly I'd uninstall.

[vale brook]

(it can if galli can actually make contact with you, i.e sitting low enough to get kicked*)

[keen plover]

<@&933486433342222376>

[worthy steeple]

yeah ik, i was thinking about galli shaking herrera off the tree, i was confused for a moment

[elfin night]

@zealous locust I would absolutely love to get a random sickness just because someone that I cannot really catch decided it would be really funny to debuff me while I was minding my own business

Truly not exploitable at all

Great, flawless idea

[viscid mica]

The one time Fsh makes a half decent suggestion

No one can vote cuz we has blocked half the server

[iron tree]

they blocked me too

[viscid mica]

He’s blocked a solid 60 some people for daring to click X on any of his posts

IMO mass blocking to try and skewer your feedback results should get you bared from making feedback posts

I know the devs and admins see when ever bro posts people talking about how they can’t vote so they ignore him anyways

[worthy steeple]

i think ✅ and ❌ should go, some people literally afraid to post or they just delete the posts because some community members make fun of them (including me sometimes)

when you write a feedback you write it for the devs, not nerds discussing stuff in this channel

doesnt matter if feedback is silly, its still a feedback

[cosmic pelican]

"Fix the game"

[crimson crater]

people’s opinions are important though

[elfin night]

They should bring back the older emotes ngl

I don’t know why they removed them from general suggestions

Was hilarious to use or on some bad takes back in the good days

[worthy steeple]

hm, maybe, but i highly doubt they care about ❌ or ✅ otherwise they would remove things like speed mutations ages ago

look at the amount of upvotes "buff troodon" feedbacks are getting, do you see any buffs? we got nerfs instead lol

they always say they listen to community, but in fact they're always doing their own thing

[minor axle]

Posts get emotes in the scores. The community has thousands of people. So it’s not a very representative slice

[worthy steeple]

im not saying community opinion is not important, its just not as important as devs opinion, not even close

no amount of feedbacks can change something devs dont want to change.

thats my reasoning for removing ✅ and ❌ permanently, just makes this server even more angry and toxic

[viscid mica]

The point is to get a feel for how the community feels about certain things allowing that gives them a idea of what is getting well received by the majority and what isn’t

[viscid mica]

Average new player after starving for the 30th time trying to grow a deino

@stable forge stego is meant for fighting things its size or bigger nerfing it would significantly hurt its future capacity especially sense trike and Rex HT are a matter of days away

[worthy steeple]

thats a fair point, well lets hope the devs will listen to people

[stable forge]

yeah sure, just give it a stamina drain it's an op abbility

[viscid mica]

In the capacity of the things it’s intended to fight it’s really not op

[hazy lark]

the problem with that IMO is at most an upvoted topic gets around 100 interactions out of a huge player base that otherwise doesnt get a say in the matter. seems off to put in changes a small minority of the overall are pushing for.

[viscid mica]

I mean they kinda do and don’t

[stable forge]

none of these things are in the game and havent been for the past idk how many months that the stego has this abbility, it's not on adults only the adolescent can hitbox gltich you and instakill you as a fg dilo it's just a dumb abbility

[viscid mica]

Yes but it leaves the option for people to participate

[worthy steeple]

it really depends, they know for sure people dont want meta mutations, but yet they did nothing about that

[hazy lark]

agreed and we need a pillow to scream in lmao

[worthy steeple]

it really takes just a minute to remove at least the speed one, im fine with the rest, but speed is the most op one

[viscid mica]

We are legit mid HT that will involve trike and Rex nerfing stego will make it’s already questionable survivability against a FG Rex even further questionable I fully intend to FG a stego during Rex testing to see how it handles and the current outlooks is not good

THUS

I don’t agree support or find any benefit to wanting to nerf a 6T creature with 3ft spikes on either side of its tail designed for murder so that a 700kg junkie can easily fight it a good idea

[stable forge]

eh, you're not even reading what im saying.

[worthy steeple]

stego will need a buff instead, depends how scary rex is going to be

[stable forge]

you're balancing the whole game around an apex that wasn't supossed to be on officials even, none of the carnivores are built to fight anything larger than a dibble at best. Maybe allo will change that but from what you're saying everyone will play rex now as all others will be obsolete

[viscid mica]

Getting hit by a desync hit sucks sure, even a 30% stego is neary triple your weight as a dilo plus it could only 1 tap you at that size with a sprinting HS aka its strongest attack that is more predictable than getting wet from stepping into rain

[viscid mica]

Tbh I’m not stego imo unless they have massive cahuni and get the timing down perfectly are extremely easy to bait out attacks and hunt especially as stuff like omni, cera and dilo

[stable forge]

I still think the tail needs a rework

[viscid mica]

Hell a skilled group of omni completely cook stego as all they need to do is get bro to 20% stam and they can duo pin

[viscid mica]

In what way could they rework it so that it can survive stuff like Rex, giga and spino which will certainly be faster than it but not completely stomp things that aren’t even 1/6th of its weight?

[stable forge]

it should be able to survive all above mentioned with stamina drain on the tail swing

[hazy lark]

wont it just be faster than them without their murder sprint? so the idea is dont get snuck up on by a massive dude?

[stable forge]

it dosen't have to be massive

im not saying remove just make it so they can't have it ready all the time

[viscid mica]

Not a chance, all a apex carni or hell all any carni would need to do is stand around watching it burn holes through its whole stam pool

[viscid mica]

Na stegos are slow af

[hazy lark]

true but not rex slow, right?

[viscid mica]

Any amount of stam drain would significantly reduce the number of swings it can do and there is a roughly 2 second window between tail and and tail down to attack if they try and cycle quickly

[stable forge]

The apexes aren't fast it should have enough time to react and hit it, but the lighter ones should have a chance to avoid it with the drawback of being 1 shot

[viscid mica]

I doubt Rex will be slower than stego

[steep gazelle]

Stego's focus is entirely on absurd damage in exchange for all other capabilities: agility, speed, spin, etc.

[viscid mica]

You do if you fake a charge and burn it’s stam

[hazy lark]

why though? it alleviates all these concerns about it needing to be buffed to contend. If it can run away, no problem right? It doenst NEED to be able to fight

[viscid mica]

A new tail up swim is 10% stam per swing meaning they have a MAX of 10

[stable forge]

yeah but thats skill issue lol

[steep gazelle]

Stego is an apex, he doesn't need to be nerfed to be killed by current carnivores

[viscid mica]

A sprinting one is the cost of sprinting plus 15%

[viscid mica]

Exactly

The jab is 5% stam or reduced damage if out of stam

And the jab has a massive window for attack

[stable forge]

so what we making herbivores immune to bad players, I don't see how the little jab is gonna make a difference with big apexes

[viscid mica]

Hunting stego as smaller things is just a game of stam management

[viscid mica]

The idea is that stego as such a slow boy needs the ability to be so physically threating with its raw damage output alone to make apex’s second guess attacking it

Unfortunately stego imo was released far to early with nothing to really challenge it in the ecosystem

Thus we end up in this situation where people playing things barely a 1/6th of its size can’t hunt it effectively leaving a bad taste in their mouth as it’s super strong

[steep gazelle]

I don't doubt that Cerato players are asking for the trike to be nerfed so that it can be hunted by them when it is released xd

[viscid mica]

Tbh my money is the same as with stego the way to hunt trike is all about stam and team work omni are the ultimate small tier up hunters with a skill cap that rivals even tenos absurdity

I fully intend to hunt trikes as omni or dilo as dilo venom could be highly effective against such a slow boy if played well

[worthy steeple]

hehehe hohoho

flows and cheesy when cerato or teno mentioned:

[crimson crater]

they do, they nerfed carno over and over again because the community complained about it for example

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/nelson-simpsons-the-hunt-is-gif-5437418

[steep gazelle]

Yes, Dillo is a hunter of larger prey just like Omni and Troodon, Cerato should be a scavenger that prefers carcasses, but currently this is completely the opposite xd

[viscid mica]

Ngl that’s one thing I found mildly annoying about summits recent videos in relation to complaint about stego but I get why as he is knew and isn’t invested in the long term I’m certain he’ll come around when Rex or he’ll allo is a thing and have a whole different experience

[dusky surge]

it has the highest stamina cost of any ability it's fine lol

if ur good you can just bait it into melting its own stam and exposing itself

idk feels like u watched a certain streamer and just downloaded his viewpoint

[viscid mica]

Na na na it’s a hard fight and for newer players with less experience it’s near impossible to challenge stegosaurus

I get why people get annoyed it’s simply misplaced annoyance

[elfin night]

I like to call it skill issue

[viscid mica]

I mean it is but I can’t blame them we where all their at some point

[worthy steeple]

just imagine how many new players we got recently, i think i’ve never seen this amount of silly feedbacks

[alpine fiber]

I just watched a herd of 4 adult stegs kill an 11 man of carnos and ceras with 0 issue. They’ve been sitting at the same rock all day just wiping any carnivores that come at them. There needs to be an apex predator if there’s going to be apex herbivores. It feels like a joke.

[viscid mica]

I mean we got XQC, Summit1G and a good part of chaingang playing which are all relevant and big names on twitch PLUS REX AND TRIKE HT is announced meaning people know the big 3 are almost out so I expect that

[viscid mica]

Yes Rex is in route I agree, though carnos have no buisness even attempting that fight their entire kit is not built for that

Ceras maybe kinda if they are smart but not carnos no matter how good you are as carno that is a losing battle

[alpine fiber]

Nothing is built to take on stegs at the moment. They should have come in when Rex was added. Balance the injects.

[obsidian yacht]

its been said by the devs that adding stego so early was something they regret

[alpine fiber]

I agree, Carnos shouldn’t be fighting them, there were 2 with the group I saw. Probably just got roped into it.

[viscid mica]

Omni raptors

[viscid mica]

Ye it was far too big and strong for a roaster of smalls

[obsidian yacht]

mhm

now, once rex and trike come in, a slight size buff would be fair i think

[worthy steeple]

i watched that second guys video, whys he so cringe and lame.. not even gonna talk about xqc and why do they always play cera, what’s up with that, it’s literally the most boring gameplay

[obsidian yacht]

and maybe allo

[alpine fiber]

lol apparently not. Seen way too many of them get 1 tapped from in front of the stegs, let alone when they put their face in a rock.

[obsidian yacht]

Omnies really have no business going against adult stegos

unless skilled

[worthy steeple]

xqc was always lame and cringe, at least he made isle more popular

[viscid mica]

Imma hit yall with the statement everyone hates

Ahem

SKILL ISSUE

Sorry had to be done a full group of experienced omni can easily bait a stego to 20% stam and get the ping sense you can duo pin a 20% stego and the rest can pile on after than 1k damage per fg omni full stam damage attack makes quick work of that stegos blood and health pool plus for some odd reason tactile doesn’t work against grappling

[viscid mica]

Of course skill is very important for omni similar to teno

[viscid mica]

Funny Quebec man go brrrr

[obsidian yacht]

idr play teno that often so wouldnt know

[viscid mica]

Allo will stand a far better chance

[obsidian yacht]

no i mean once allo is in stego should probably get a size buff by then

[viscid mica]

The skill cap on omni and teno is very big a new player compared to a vet is like night and day

[viscid mica]

OH uhhhh

Welllll seeeeeee

[alpine fiber]

lol I love this guy talking about A steg, my man, I'm over here talkin about a 4 man, see yourself out

[obsidian yacht]

its actually undersized rn from irl specimens

for the species, stenops

[viscid mica]

I mean do you honestly expect ANYTHING to hunt a 4 man stego group!?

What madness hath taken over you to assume that’s an even feasible hunt for anyone not breaking packing limits?

You’d need some 5+ Rex’s to even do that IMO

[viscid mica]

Oh ya I know that I’m just sceptical but same time I’ll get a feel for it when I suffer the wrath of Rex HT as a stego to test the combat

Not excited for that grow stego is such a boring grow

[obsidian yacht]

yeah

[viscid mica]

Cuz it’s the strongest playable rn why make life harder by playing something more complicated

Beyond herbivores that is

[worthy steeple]

exactly lol

[viscid mica]

Tbh it’s too be expected they’d need a experienced player to teach them anything else to a point they could effectively play it so I can’t hold it against em

[iron tree]

@stable forge just don't fight the multi ton stegosaur

[weary dust]

Still wild to me how they nerfed carno and said, well because we nerfed its weight/durability we have to nerf its speed, its like imagine you are about to fight someone and they lose their arm before the fight so you go "well thats unfair", but instead of keeping one arm tied up you rip off his leg too!? XD make it make sense

[steep gazelle]

and then you look at the cerato: Something that isn't in the niche it should be (scavenger) but doesn't suffer any nerf, apex damage, excellent agility, vomit that reduces your hunger and thirst by 80% and also stuns you for 2s, all of this in a skill that has no cost or consequences for making a mistake xd

[viscid mica]

@steep gazelle man you ruined it by wanting to remove fog

The fog is super useful and troodon thrives from it far more than dilo

[cosmic pelican]

Its literally worse dilo fog, even lets you sniff 💀

[steep gazelle]

I put this because a troodon juv that is capable of using venom would be very uncomfortable for everyone

[viscid mica]

I mean it doesn’t need venom by first mut tbh as hard of a start as it is

[steep gazelle]

or reduce the % at which troodon picks up the 2nd mutation to less than 35

[viscid mica]

I get stam and venom timing

But anything else I find weird

[steep gazelle]

Don't you agree that the damage should go back to 120?

[viscid mica]

Yes

Sorry I forgot they even changed that

Kinda hurts troodon hunting power significantly

Stamp of approval

While I would like fog the rest is all good

[pulsar tiger]

hey can we remove the ability of catfish to swallow 10% crocs whole? thanks

[minor axle]

#balance-feedback message

why drop napalm to overwhelm a fire?

[viscid mica]

I mean like you need to be 130kg+ which is like 15%? Don’t swim near a fish double your size 10% isn’t even a minute after spawn like yall can just not go near the giant fish when you that smol

[viscid mica]

Because nukes solve all problems obviously

[minor axle]

The buggy features of elite fish, they gotta be the worst ai (though tbh yeah a baby deino doesn’t need to be attacking then just wait a minute and grab schoolers)

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message you’re not gonna believe this but it can’t lol

[dusky surge]

people suggesting existing features lol

[elfin night]

@pulsar tiger git gud

[worthy steeple]

new people don’t really realize how huge desync problem is

[elfin night]

@distant prairie nerfing troodon even with the buffs is crazy

[obsidian yacht]

Blud said this in 2 channels

[severe grail]

3 actually plus the AU channel.

[obsidian yacht]

What an individual

[viscid mica]

Kinda unnecessary

[elfin night]

How

All you need to do is avoid the big fish for 20-30 minutes

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s just mean without explaining what is wrong about it

[viscid mica]

10 minutes tops to 15%ish but

Just saying get Gud with no explanation what is wrong is just asking for a arguement

[elfin night]

True

But it’s funny though

And tbf you can just deduct the answer even as a player with no experience

[severe grail]

literally just don't tunnelvision in front of you and swim near the shore.

[obsidian yacht]

Mhm

[viscid mica]

Yes but if they where active in chat it coulda been a whole argument and just wasn’t beneficial to them nor you to simply say “get Gud” no explanation why they aren’t

[obsidian yacht]

Ok

[elfin night]

welcome to the souls community

you can always ask for advice

or help instead of advocating for the removal of something that caused your demise

[hazy lark]

welcome to being a decent person?

you can always just help them instead of being rude

[elfin night]

bro 😭

Since when is git gud offensive

I am also bad at many things in this game and that's okay

[hazy lark]

since when is git gud a discussion?

[slim dragon]

Always has been

[elfin night]

bruh

ong? Is it really that bad?

[slim dragon]

It's an insult
It's not the worst but it's one

[elfin night]

I guess we have different definitions of insult then, cuz I always understood it as a memey saying about how trial and error is necessary at times

we gotta push through

but whatever

[dusky surge]

isnt get good just a roundabout way of saying "you're bad"

[elfin night]

literally means get better

feel free to take it as you like, but to me and in the ER/Chivalry communities I frequent it's always been about people needing to improve at times with some complaints

@wild pebble do you realize the implications of that?

[viscid mica]

Well aware of soul mentality towards the game but I think comparing them is abit iffy

[viscid mica]

Yes

[steep gazelle]

#balance-feedback message @bright oasis If you increase the weight of the carno, it will be able to take down ceratos, which in my opinion is fair, but the community doesn't like it.

[wild pebble]

all I'm referring to is a small jump for terrain navigation, honestly I think all dinos should have some form of jump

[distant prairie]

If you think about what you really need as a Troodon you'll realize the nerfs I offer are only to allow some counterplay. I'm proposing making Troodon 50km/h with 28km/h trot. You won't need the stamina anymore because your gonna disappear on them so fast. When you actually think about where you lose the most stamina it's during prolonged chases, maneuvering, and missed pounces. My idea eliminates everything but the misses. The nerfs actually won't matter if play it smart. They just look bad on paper.

[viscid mica]

@late torrent a lot of troodon players are confused why it’s received a over all nerf to a lot of its stats out of no where when it been underperforming like crazy

[elfin night]

cera jumping

jumping is a movement thing, it matters in balancing too

[late torrent]

Im happy to hear it that Im not alone , I love that litel pest and I want it to do something

[wild pebble]

agreed but balancing how high something jumps is a balance too, a small hop to get over some annoying ledge isnt a bad thing either

[viscid mica]

Na what they need is slightly more dynamic walking so tiny rocks can’t block movement jumps would be weird on something as stubby as cera

[elfin night]

it opens up plenty of possibilities

a small jump can make a huge difference

[viscid mica]

Ya tbh troodon when from being hard as hell to be harder as hell

[wild pebble]

this would be acceptable, its more about the annoying places you get stuck

[late torrent]

Well , Lets hope for brighter future for litel guy

[distant prairie]

The problem is they keep designing it to be a small Raptor or a small dilo. They need to be reworked to fit what small predators actually need in an ecosystem. The idea that you were going to land a bunch of pounces on a timer was ludicrous if you think about real animals. Something that size hunting larger prey would have a crazy powerful venom

The developers only use 3 things to balance though. Health damage and weight. So they keep trying to make troodon viable by adjusting those numbers instead of speed, utility, and planning an attack strategy.

[viscid mica]

I mean the venom damage before HT at 120 per t3 hit is fair

The problem lies in its terrible stam game

With the newest nerf a already kinda hard Dino to grow is now even harder

[distant prairie]

Where are you seeing the patch notes?

[bright oasis]

im only asking for a 50-100 health buff, i dont think that'd help it take on cerato any better than currently.

[viscid mica]

Its not noted I don’t think it’s physically tested and seen in HT

Its damage went from 120-80 at t3

It’s spawn speed is significantly slower as well

[viscid mica]

I mean if it’s 1on1 winning as carno is entirely plausible with enough practice

[steep gazelle]

Carno can knock down anything that weighs 1kg less than him. If a Cerato weighs 1299kg it will be knocked down by a Carnotaurus 100%

[distant prairie]

Yea i found them. See that's what I mean by balancing them as a small Raptor. It doesn't work. We can't pin, we don't have the weight, dmg, bleed, or hp of raptors. But because they see Troodon as a small Raptor they blanket balance them together.

[bright oasis]

to be expected. i dont really care about the carno cera matchup. if it can through skill differences, whatever. but it should be hunting game smaller than it and i want its kit to reflect that first and foremost.

[bright oasis]

then i suppose adjust the max knockdown weight?

[viscid mica]

Yea… it should be balanced around its neiche as something so small it should have probably one of the best stam pools second only to the herbis that are the same size as it

[viscid mica]

I mean 100 kg up would make it knocking down stuff a good bit easier based on how the charge mechanic does math

[steep gazelle]

A carnotaurus will never beat a cerato in a 1v1, that is if the cerato knows how to at least close the distance between them to prevent the stun. That's why the carno being able to knockdown the cerato is a good idea. This will force Ceratos players to learn how to play

[viscid mica]

Hahaha you must have not encountered a skilled carno as cera yet

[bright oasis]

im not concrete about the weight getting buffed however, it was a minor suggestion within the other few. not needed, but would be more of a nice thing than anything.

[viscid mica]

Carno skill cap is a reasonable bit higher than cera and can 100% win the 1s if they are skilled enough

[steep gazelle]

Cera manages to cancel a non-stun charge from the carnotaurus with the alt attack

[viscid mica]

Cancel the charge bait the alt

Like I said you’ve probably never encountered a actually high skill carno

[steep gazelle]

A cerato just needs to walk forward and press a button to kill the carno in 4 hits, but carno needs to hit at least 8 charges to kill a cerato

[viscid mica]

If your letting a cera walk at you and hit you your a bot

[steep gazelle]

Vomit: I don't exist

[viscid mica]

It does but you can avoid a lot of hits

Muen I don’t like doing this but how many hours of envirma you got

And do you play official

[distant prairie]

What you really want as a Troodon is faster trot and crawl. That way you're not burning stamina looking for food and you can slip in close easily. Then you need to be able to hold and apply multiple stacks. And finally more speed to dart away. You don't actually NEED more stamina. What you need is a way to make the stamina you have more efficient.

[steep gazelle]

And as I said, a cerato can cancel the carno's charge with the alt attack, so the only thing the cerato needs to do is close the distance to prevent the stun, it doesn't need skill do thst xd

[viscid mica]

Because a carno can’t cancel the charge and stop running foward to bait a alt

[viscid mica]

Tbh troodon have a trot as fast as or faster than stego run would be insanity but a solid trot speed that lets it pace most things wouldn’t be bad

[steep gazelle]

Let's leave it like that then, we will never reach an agreement, especially since you agree that the cerato should apply vomit even if he bites the tail of something xd

[viscid mica]

Man people about to make me start recording all my game play so I can have clips to explain stuff

[viscid mica]

Cera apply vomit on tail hits it’s stupid I’ve never agreed to that don’t cope out this with a bs statement like that

You want to be assumatory let’s do this you clearly are a low experience player with maybe afew hundred hours who doesn’t play carno. You completely ignore fundamentals of combat such as spacing and timing that any experienced player would be highly aware of I’m not saying a carno wins on average but I’m saying if both are top class of those Dino’s the carno is winning

Ignoring that carno can easily circle a cera with drifting too

[steep gazelle]

I an main carno bro, with 800hrs

[viscid mica]

Uh huh

And you can’t beat a cera 1v1

[worthy steeple]

😎

[viscid mica]

I’ve beat duo cera as carno on officials

[steep gazelle]

With a good cerato no

[viscid mica]

Bro made me crash out

[worthy steeple]

fg?

[viscid mica]

Ya

[worthy steeple]

same, at the north east. they also had body.

[viscid mica]

I don’t think I could win a duo with a body

[worthy steeple]

wait actually just north, it wasn’t east

[steep gazelle]

I've already been against 3 ceratos that instead of chasing me and preventing the stun, stood still and let me run at will, they only didn't die because they were recovering health in the carcasses xd

[worthy steeple]

that was tough, i was left with like 10% stam after the fight ahah

[viscid mica]

I mean if they are by a body attacking them is a generally bad idea as they can just heal from eating and tank your attacks with bonus defence

[steep gazelle]

Official servers don't have many good players, play on unofficial servers and you will see the difference

[distant prairie]

I know... it would be disgustingly good. The thing that bugs me is that I know if you gave Troodon unlimited stamina... it wouldn't make any difference. Like really think about what ends your Troodon lives... its not the stamina. I'll agree it makes things worse for sure. But i think the solution is for Troodon players to ask for something different since stamina is such a fickle friend with these devs.

[viscid mica]

I do play them on occasion unfortunately I’m NA and there arnt any really good unofficial on NA so I have to play eu with higher ping and if I’m being honest I’ve found better players on officials on average than unofficial unless it’s THE PVP server COUGH CHEESY COUGH

[steep gazelle]

I wasn't stupid enough to leave them near the carcass, but they always ran back to it to recover.

[viscid mica]

Tbh what ends my life is trying to regenerate stamina by trotting around my prey

[viscid mica]

That’s a given

[steep gazelle]

I play em pvp-pve server

[viscid mica]

And where tf did you get that I support vomit applying on tail hits!?

[steep gazelle]

A little bit of both, and because of the accelerated growth, people there have more time to improve themselves.

[viscid mica]

I don’t it skewers the survival aspect and loses a lot in the way of balancing argument as not everything is best case 1v1 and what not

There is a lot of varying factors to survival that don’t apply in best case 1v1

[worthy steeple]

i’d say it’s the same, i don’t have any issues doing everything i do on petits

[distant prairie]

Then we need better poison application. It would accomplish the same thing except when Raptors or all dinos get their stamina nerfed we won't lose out twice as hard. I think the solution is to skin the cat another way essentially.

[steep gazelle]

I see. But Carno should really do better in 1v1 against Cerato than he currently does. Increasing his speed to 52 and health to 1500 would help him

[worthy steeple]

i dont even play on norden😭 this is how norden fights look like

[viscid mica]

It’s speed is one debate I’m iffy about but I agree a minor health increase would go along long way in making it match up to cera 1v1 for your more average player

[worthy steeple]

i used to spend a lot of time on norden, but now i’m skilled enough, i don’t need it anymore

[viscid mica]

XD

[worthy steeple]

tho i still play with the friends sometimes

[viscid mica]

I just don’t like norden as a lot of norden folks swear up and down something is one way when it really isn’t cuz all they know is perfect condition 1v1

[worthy steeple]

i’m fine with perfect conditions, because it’s not too difficult to recreate on survival. it’s basically just full hp vs full hp no third party, that’s it

[viscid mica]

Tbh the best way to fight cera as carno is waste time cera stomach is less practically half yours as carno and you can waste a lot of their time

[steep gazelle]

Yes. Carnotaurus needs a little rework/buff, They overdid it by reducing 500 health but left their speed only 2km faster than a dillo without speed mutation

And a speed-mutated dillo can outperform the carno's standard speed

[worthy steeple]

my issue is players don’t fight on survival the same way they fight on dm servers.

[viscid mica]

Terrain, food&water, previous fights etc

[worthy steeple]

it’s not the same

[viscid mica]

Ngl I run photo always cuz 65km charge during day is straight demon timing it genuinely helps you hit knockdowns

[viscid mica]

Yea…. This too

I’ll straight up pretend to leave just to come steam training back in and catch em lacking

[worthy steeple]

balancing around just dm server is not the way, you should at least do the same on survival, you should have actual game experience

[worthy steeple]

part of the reason we have feedback like “why my deino can’t 1v1 a stego???😭”

or “omni needs more stam, because i can’t 1v1 a teno”

[steep gazelle]

That's the problem, the carnotaurus needs to use its ability to escape from something that should be its prey.

[worthy steeple]

all of this is coming from norden players lmao

[spiral kindle]

@late torrent Fr and they also nerfed troodons hp thing a while back it used to be 120 hp or 100 hp i forgot

[viscid mica]

I mean if I’m 800kg or bigger I fight dilo as you can bully them with cycle charges

Dilo can’t dodge like omni

[spiral kindle]

And they nerfed the dmg and speed , And you can't even get your venom till you're a sub it's insane

[worthy steeple]

yes, dilo always looses to the good carno, it’s not agile enough to dodge, only water or terrain can help

not to mention when there’s 2 carnos, that’s a death sentence

[viscid mica]

“I died to stego as something that’s barely 1/6th its weight nerf is op”

[late torrent]

No comments bro , just no words

[spiral kindle]

During the night a dilo can bite carno like once put it to 3rd and just run and spam clones and bob and weave till the carno dies

[worthy steeple]

😭

[worthy steeple]

we’re laughing but people are literally like this

[steep gazelle]

I'm not talking about fighting, I'm talking about how a dillo can easily reach a carno that isn't using his charge if he has photo or noc

[spiral kindle]

Troodon gets killed by d-sync most of the time and they thought it was okay to nerf the hp?!?!?😭

[viscid mica]

Ngl when I run with dilo squads they are always like OOO CARNO THATS free99 and all I can think is “what if this carno knows how to hold m2 for more than 2 seconds we all dead”

[worthy steeple]

yeah that’s more of a dilo issue, glad they removed its clones temporarily

[late torrent]

Im interested who is responsibel for balance , and why he/she/it hates poor guy so much

[worthy steeple]

yeah LOL, there’s a GIANT gap between good carno and bad carno

[viscid mica]

Oh ya it is massive and it’s funny cuz carno skill cap isn’t even that big like teno or omni

[worthy steeple]

yeahh

[viscid mica]

TBH if I’m with my carno duo we go after tenos

[worthy steeple]

teno is crazy

[worthy steeple]

i’d do the same.

[viscid mica]

Teno and omni have roughly the same skill cap limit the difference is simply weight and neiche

[spiral kindle]

Footstep is also insanely loud omni is quieter than it. And i think the devs don't put much thought into there balance decisions

[steep gazelle]

Xd I would also like to know, so many unnecessary nerfs are made, but the ones that really need nerfing are untouched

[spiral kindle]

Or should i say QA idk

[viscid mica]

“It” that’s diabolical and I love it

[spiral kindle]

Dondi and QA mostly do the balance decisions i'm pretty sure

QA tells dondi and if dondi approves the programmers will make it happen

[late torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[worthy steeple]

yeah and teno can barely be offensive as well as omni can barely be defensive

[viscid mica]

Yup

[steep gazelle]

The devs don't care about the nerf/buff/rework that the players who play the game every day ask for, including Kissen himself almost said that to me yesterday xd

[viscid mica]

Kinda? Some of the other devs have a say if I’m not mistaken but I dunno I ain’t a dev HAHA

[viscid mica]

[spiral kindle]

Teno's skill ceiling is very low once you learn the stuns and basic combos teno is literally just turn you're brain off and when ever you are in a really bad scenario just use the terrain

[viscid mica]

Him

[worthy steeple]

wdym? like don’t care about balance feedbacks?

[worthy steeple]

if only that was true lol

[spiral kindle]

Nah they would rather listen to summit a dude who has only been playing the game for like a few weeks😭

[steep gazelle]

Looking at the current hordtest this is what it looks like

[viscid mica]

Na na teno skill cap is high cuz there are wide ranges between brand new teno, experienced teno, pro teno and GOD HIMSELF DESENDED IN THE FORM OF TENO

[worthy steeple]

fair enough

[late torrent]

Personally I feel they dont even chek feedback ,_,

[steep gazelle]

So much feedback asking for a buff to Troodon, a rework to Pachy and Carno, but they probably don't even care about the community because The Isle has no competition.

And with that they are not afraid of losing players.

[viscid mica]

Like I’ve seen new teno who can’t even 1v1 a omni

AND THEN I know a teno that isn’t cheesy that can 4v1 EXPERINCED AND SKILLED CARNOS genuinely the sweetest teno I know and they play in a duo with another extremely good teno those two bully dibbles

[worthy steeple]

well that’s not true, but they indeed don’t listen to community as much as they listen to themselves

devs opinion 100% matters more than community opinion

so if they don’t want 1.8 carno no amount of community crying will change anything

[spiral kindle]

It's still Low tho

[viscid mica]

Fast enough to bully cera

[worthy steeple]

not at all, but let’s agree to disagree

[spiral kindle]

Teno is easy once you learn the basics

Same with stego and diablo

[steep gazelle]

Well, the community's crying made Maia become the useless person he is today, he spends stam with any attack and even weighs 3.8t, His strongest attack deals 300 damage.

[spiral kindle]

Teno destroys Carno doesn't even make sense how Diablo and Teno is still on Carno's diet

[viscid mica]

Ya teno isn’t hard but there will be a clear difference between someone who has learned the basics and someone who is a experienced teno

Like your average teno which imo is “learned the basics” I can duo hunt as carno without too much fear

But a experienced teno is diabolical

[viscid mica]

Because haha have fun

[worthy steeple]

maia is not that bad. and strongest attack does 175+175.

maia needs some tweaks, but not anything major

[worthy steeple]

you won’t believe me, but juvie herbivores exist. also pack hunting

[steep gazelle]

Maia needs a rework, his stomp using stam doesn't make sense, they already removed his knockdown in Cereto and Carno

[worthy steeple]

also would you rather have teno and dibble on diet or not have them? lmao

i don’t understand the complaining

[spiral kindle]

It's still low compared to carnivores like a avg troodon or a avg omni will do much worst than an avg teno and when there all good the teno is jus straight up unkillable

[worthy steeple]

wdym using stam doesn’t make sense? it does make a lot of sense lol

[spiral kindle]

A teno that uses the terrain you should prob just not waste you're time and move on.